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Prologue Ira Glass So Eleanor was just a kid, eight or nine, standing at a corner waiting to cross the street, minding her own business.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 埃莉诺只是一个八九岁的孩子，站在街角等待过马路，专注于自己的事情。
And this guy like, hung out of the window of his car and yelled out, call me when you're legal.
这个家伙就像，挂在车窗外大喊，当你合法的时候给我打电话。
And it's just so weird.
这太奇怪了。
I mean, partially because I wasn't used to being a thing that you would want to have call you.
我的意思是，部分是因为我不习惯成为一个你想要称呼你的人。
You mean specifically because you were a child?
你的意思是因为你还是个孩子？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
But also, because like what did he want there?
而且，因为他在那里想要什么？
What am I going to do in that scenario?
在这种情况下我该怎么办？
Like, am I going to chase him?
比如说，我要追他吗？
Am I going to actually give him my number so that he can call me in 11 years time when I am legal?
我是否真的要把我的电话号码给他，以便 11 年后当我合法时他可以给我打电话？
Like, what's going to happen?
比如说，会发生什么？
What does he want there?
他在那里想要什么？
So the guy drove off.
于是那人就开车走了。
Eleanor grew up.
埃莉诺长大了。
And as an adult, she saw how often women are cat called, and she decided to do an experiment where she'd stop and talk to the guys, treat it like the beginning of a conversation.
作为一个成年人，她看到女性被猫叫的频率很高，她决定做一个实验，她停下来和男人们交谈，把它当作谈话的开始。
Like, OK, you wanted to talk?
就像，好吧，你想谈谈吗？
Let's talk.
我们来谈谈吧。
Ask some questions.
问一些问题。
She took a recorder and a microphone.
她拿了录音机和麦克风。
To increase the odds of getting catcalled, she ditched her normal clothes and her glasses for heels and lipstick.
为了增加被嘘的几率，她抛弃了平常的衣服和眼镜，换上了高跟鞋和口红。
She lives in Australia, in Sydney, and she headed to an area called Kings Cross.
她住在澳大利亚悉尼，前往一个叫国王十字的地区。
And it's like a night life spot anywhere else in the world.
它就像世界其他地方的夜生活场所。
You don't need to have seen King's Cross to know what it's like.
您不需要见过国王十字车站就知道它是什么样的。
You have one wherever you live.
无论你住在哪里，你都有一个。
It's billboards and like, fluorescent lights, and guys just kind of like shouting at the moon, and girls in tiaras and sashes on that say "18 Today!" with an exclamation mark.
这是广告牌之类的东西，荧光灯，男人们就像对着月亮大喊，而戴着头饰、系着腰带的女孩们说“今天18岁了！”带有感叹号。
And I walked around, and whenever someone yelled out something, or catcalled, I would turn around, I would ask if I could start recording, and I would say, what did you just say, and what were you hoping to get from it?
我走来走去，每当有人大喊大叫，或者猫叫时，我就会转身，我会问我是否可以开始录音，我会说，你刚才说什么，你希望从中得到什么？
And most of them were like, pretty happy to talk.
他们中的大多数人都非常乐意交谈。
A lot of them were like, either drunk or just stoked that a girl was chatting to them.
他们中的很多人要么喝醉了，要么只是因为一个女孩正在和他们聊天而兴奋。
But they were pretty forthcoming.
但他们非常乐于助人。
So a guy just looks for a reaction, a smile, you're a dickhead, hi.
所以一个人只是在寻找反应，一个微笑，你是个白痴，嗨。
Just in case you're having trouble with the Australian accent, he's saying, "A guy just looks for a reaction, a smile, you're a dickhead, hi.
以防万一你对澳大利亚口音有困难，他会说，“一个人只是在寻找反应，微笑，你是个白痴，嗨。
A smile and you're a dickhead both equally good?
微笑和白痴一样好吗？
Both equally as good.
两者都同样好。
Eleanor Gordon-Smith So it's just attention?
埃莉诺戈登-史密斯 那么这只是关注？
No, no. It gives you a platform for you to start.
不，不。它为您提供了一个开始的平台。
How many successful relationships do you think have started from someone saying you're a dickhead?
你认为有多少成功的关系是从别人说你是白痴开始的？
Describe this next guy.
描述下一个人。
Eleanor Gordon-Smith And so this is Sebastian, and he's a bouncer with a strip club.
埃莉诺·戈登·史密斯 这是塞巴斯蒂安，他是一家脱衣舞俱乐部的保镖。
He's kind of huge and stocky.
他身材魁梧，身材矮胖。
He's wearing a baseball cap.
他戴着棒球帽。
And he shouted something at me about looking French, and he made this gesture as I walked past as if he was like, grabbing air breasts.
他对我大喊大叫说我长得像法国人，当我走过时他做出了这个手势，好像他在抓住空气胸部。
[INAUDIBLE].
[听不清]。
Eleanor Gordon-Smith Did you just make a gesture like breasts?
埃莉诺·戈登-史密斯：你刚刚做了一个像乳房这样的手势吗？
I like saying hello to women.
我喜欢和女人打招呼。
I like being friendly to women.
我喜欢对女性友好。
They love it.
他们喜欢它。
Eleanor Gordon-Smith So you think that they're like--
埃莉诺·戈登-史密斯 所以你认为他们就像——
It's a nice thing when a man says hello.
当一个男人打招呼时，这是一件好事。
And one thing that started to emerge in every single one of these conversations was they think that women enjoy it.
在这些对话中开始出现的一件事是，他们认为女性喜欢它。
So whatever the first reason they gave for catcalling, almost immediately, the follow-up would be, and I want women to have a good time.
因此，无论他们提出嘘声的第一个原因是什么，几乎立即，后续行动就会是，我希望女性们玩得开心。
I'm trying to make you feel good.
我正在努力让你感觉良好。
I'm trying to give you a compliment, or make you feel confident.
我只是想给你一个赞美，或者让你感到自信。
Women enjoy this, and that's part of why I do it.
女人喜欢这个，这也是我这样做的部分原因。
And that was astounding to me.
这令我震惊。
So tell me about these guys.
那么请告诉我关于这些人的事。
Eleanor Gordon-Smith This is Zac and Mike.
埃莉诺·戈登-史密斯 这是扎克和迈克。
Zac and Mike shouted at me as I was walking across an alleyway.
当我穿过一条小巷时，扎克和迈克对我大喊大叫。
Do you want her to have fun, or are you just doing it for you?
你是想让她玩得开心，还是只是为了你自己？
Oh, you know, I want her to get enjoyment out of what I yell at her.
哦，你知道，我希望她能从我对她大喊大叫中得到乐趣。
I don't want her to be-- in no way I want her to be offended, or feel in any way insecure about anything I say.
我不想让她——我绝不希望她被冒犯，或者对我所说的任何事情感到不安全。
It's always-- like, I'm never going to say anything rude or abusive.
我永远不会说任何粗鲁或辱骂的话。
It's always for the good of the night.
总是为了夜晚的美好。
OK.
好的。
So it matters to you that she had fun?
所以她玩得开心对你来说很重要吗？
Yeah.
是的。
100%.
100%。
Eleanor Gordon-Smith OK.
埃莉诺·戈登·史密斯 好的。
And do you like-- do you count yourself as a good guy?
你认为自己是个好人吗？
Fucking oath, the best.
该死的誓言，最好的。
Eleantor Gordon-Smith Fucking oath is Australian speak for like, hell yeah.
Eleantor Gordon-Smith 他妈的誓言是澳大利亚人的说法，是的。
These guys didn't seem like sexist nut jobs.
这些家伙看起来不像是性别歧视的疯子。
That didn't seem unreasonable.
这似乎不无道理。
They weren't hard to talk to.
他们并不难交谈。
And it occurred to me they've just like, made a mistake.
我突然想到他们只是犯了一个错误。
They just got some kind of central fact about women wrong, and they think that we really enjoy this.
他们只是错误地理解了一些关于女性的核心事实，他们认为我们真的很喜欢这个。
And surely, I can stand in front of these reasonable, caring dudes and just say women don't like it.
当然，我可以站在这些通情达理、有爱心的家伙面前，只是说女人不喜欢这样。
And that might be a way of talking them out of doing it ever.
这可能是说服他们不再这样做的一种方式。
Eleanor, by the way, is in her 20s, and she spent 14 years in school as an unapologetic debate nerd, on debate teams, flying to Paris, and Doha, and Seoul, and Berlin to compete.
顺便说一句，埃莉诺今年 20 多岁，她在学校度过了 14 年，作为一名毫无歉意的辩论书呆子，参加辩论队，飞往巴黎、多哈、首尔和柏林参加比赛。
As part of the national Australian debate team, she wore a blue Blazer with the Australian crest, so she is somebody who believes in her ability to persuade.
作为澳大利亚国家辩论队的一员，她穿着一件带有澳大利亚徽章的蓝色西装外套，因此她相信自己的说服能力。
And when she walked up to guys in the street with her recorder, she really did try to change the way they saw what they were doing.
当她拿着录音机走到街上的人们面前时，她确实试图改变他们看待自己所做事情的方式。
She really did try to convince them to change course and never catcall again.
她确实试图说服他们改变路线，不再发出嘘声。
And that's when things got really interesting.
这就是事情变得非常有趣的时候。
Today's program is all about people who believe in the power of a course correction, that they can get others to change course, or that they can get themselves to change course.
今天的节目是关于那些相信方向修正的力量的人，他们可以让别人改变方向，或者他们可以让自己改变方向。
And then, things will be fixed.
然后，事情就会得到解决。
The world will be a better place.
世界将变得更加美好。
They will be better people.
他们会成为更好的人。
We have three stories, one about a US Marine, one about a robot, and we have Eleanor in King's Cross, who is Act One.
我们有三个故事，一个关于美国海军陆战队，一个关于机器人，我们有国王十字车站的埃莉诺，她是第一幕。
Which is where we are now.
这就是我们现在所处的位置。
This is actually a rerun of our show.
这实际上是我们节目的重播。
But In these Harvey Weinstein, Louis C.K., Roy Moore days, we thought we'd go back to this story where a woman ties to talk-- sincerely talk-- to men about male behavior that she just does not understand.
但在哈维·韦恩斯坦（Harvey Weinstein）、路易斯·C.K.、罗伊·摩尔（Roy Moore）时代，我们认为我们应该回到这个故事，在这个故事中，一个女人与男人真诚地谈论她不理解的男性行为。
And I think the best way to illustrate what her conversations were like-- because they are really interesting-- is to play you excerpts of just one of them at length.
我认为展示她的对话的最好方法——因为它们真的很有趣——就是给你们播放其中一段对话的详细摘录。
And the one we're going to do is the conversation she had with Zac.
我们要做的就是她和扎克的对话。
Zac is the guy who was out with his friend Mike and said to her--
扎克和他的朋友迈克出去并对她说——
Like, I'm never going to say anything rude or abusive.
就像，我永远不会说任何粗鲁或辱骂的话。
It's always for the good of the night.
总是为了夜晚的美好。
Eleanor said Zac was a good listener.
埃莉诺说扎克是一个很好的倾听者。
He seemed like a nice guy.
他看上去是个好人。
And so this is how one of those conversations goes when it goes the best.
这就是其中一次对话进展顺利时的方式。
Here's Eleanor.
这是埃莉诺。
I talked to Zac and Mike in a dingy alley, which sounds scarier than it was, because it's hard to be scared of Zac and Mike.
我在一个肮脏的小巷里和扎克和迈克交谈，这听起来比实际更可怕，因为很难害怕扎克和迈克。
Zac's this big, friendly-looking overgrown teddybear of a man with huge brown eyes, and Mike's tiny and wiry.
扎克是一只体型庞大、看上去友善的泰迪熊，有着一双棕色的大眼睛，而迈克则身材娇小，精瘦有力。
They look kind of like Yogi and Boo-Boo turned human.
他们看起来有点像瑜伽士和布布变成了人类。
As I was walking past, Zac yells out, "Hey, luscious lips."
当我走过时，扎克喊道：“嘿，性感的嘴唇。”
I was complimenting you on your red lips, how they look nice, and it would be amazing to kiss a complete stranger that worked for a radio station.
我在夸你的红唇，它们看起来多么漂亮，如果能亲吻一个在广播电台工作的陌生人，那就太棒了。
When Zac does this kind of stuff, it's like he's putting on our show.
当扎克做这种事时，就好像他在上演我们的节目。
He's flirty.
他很调情。
He's show-offy.
他很爱炫耀。
His whole mission in life is to bring the party.
他一生的全部使命就是带领党。
If you've ever watched a documentary where you've got like, a bird, like an amazing bird, like the birds of paradise, they do the most extravagant dances, just amazing, just to flaunt themselves.
如果你看过一部纪录片，里面有一只鸟，就像一只神奇的鸟，就像天堂鸟，它们跳着最华丽的舞蹈，太神奇了，只是为了炫耀自己。
I believe-- I know for a fact that saying crazy shit to girls, like the same sort of shit that I said that brought you to me right now, is the exact sort of same.
我相信——我知道一个事实，对女孩说疯狂的废话，就像我说的那些让你现在找到我的废话一样，是完全相同的。
It's kind of like being colorful with your words.
这有点像你的言语变得丰富多彩。
To be clear, I liked Zac, even when he told me this.
需要明确的是，我喜欢扎克，即使他告诉我这些。
I've done rude things, like I've run along to groups of girls on the street, and like, complete random, and smacked one of their asses, like one out of about 10 .
我做过一些粗鲁的事情，比如我在街上跑到一群女孩身边，完全随机地打她们一个的屁股，大约十分之一。
And all the rest are like, fixated on, oh, my god, why was her ass slapped?
其余的人都在关注，哦，天啊，为什么她的屁股被打了？
And it's enjoyable.
这很有趣。
But it's only enjoyable, he says, if the woman's part of a group.
但他说，只有当女人是一个群体的一员时，这才是令人愉快的。
He knows there's a line you don't cross.
他知道有一条线你不能逾越。
He's just drawn it in a weird place.
他只是把它画在一个奇怪的地方。
Yes, if you single out a girl and slap their ass, it can be a little bit creepy.
是的，如果你单独挑出一个女孩并打她的屁股，这可能会有点令人毛骨悚然。
But I wouldn't do that.
但我不会那样做。
I only slapped one ass of one group.
我只打了一组中的一个屁股。
I'm a one ass, one group guy.
我是一个独来独往、一群人的人。
OK?
可以吗？
Would you have slapped my ass if I'd been closer to you?
如果我离你更近一些，你会打我的屁股吗？
If you were in a group, yes.
如果你在一个团体中，是的。
If you're on your own, no, I wouldn't.
如果你自己一个人的话，不，我不会。
Why not if I was on my own?
如果我一个人的话为什么不呢？
Zac It kind of takes away the fun of it.
扎克 这有点剥夺了它的乐趣。
The fun of it is your ass-- it's not saying your ass is not hot, but your ass is the hottest of the group.
有趣的是你的屁股——这并不是说你的屁股不热，而是你的屁股是这群人中最热的。
Therefore, I've slapped it.
所以，我就打了它一巴掌。
Did anybody hit you, or yell at you, or tell you not to do that?
有人打你，对你大喊大叫，或者告诉你不要这样做吗？
No. No, no, no. I'm not doing anything wrong.
不，不，不，不。我没有做错任何事。
I'm complimenting a girl's ass in public.
我在公共场合称赞一个女孩的屁股。
You think that smacking a girl's ass in public isn't doing anything wrong?
你认为在公共场合打女孩屁股没有什么错吗？
No. Eleanor Gordon-Smith You can hear it, right?
不，Eleanor Gordon-Smith 你能听到，对吧？
He sounds sincere.
他听起来很真诚。
He wants to believe, or he really does, believe that this stuff is harmless, just a street show or a fun game for everyone to share.
他愿意相信，或者他真的相信，相信这东西是无害的，只是一个街头表演或者一个供大家分享的有趣游戏。
Would it matter to you if what you did actually make girls feel really terrible?
如果你所做的事情真的让女孩们感觉很糟糕，这对你来说重要吗？
If I could convince you that at least some of us were made to feel small and frightened by guys who smack our asses on the street or give us compliments without asking, does that matter to you?
如果我能让你相信，至少我们中的一些人会因为那些在街上拍我们屁股或不经询问就赞美我们的人而感到自己的渺小和害怕，这对你来说重要吗？
Yeah, definitely.
是的，绝对是。
Fucking oath.
该死的誓言。
I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable or anything about my presence.
我不想让任何人对我的存在感到不舒服或感到任何不舒服。
OK.
好的。
So here's a thought that I think maybe hasn't occurred to you.
因此，我认为您可能没有想到过这个想法。
There's quite a lot of violence against women, right?
针对女性的暴力行为相当多，对吗？
Like, we understand that.
就像，我们明白这一点。
One of the things that happens when you feel afraid as a chick, and you're just walking around and a guy slaps your ass, is you don't know if he intends it as a compliment or if he's actually really violent.
当你作为一个小女孩感到害怕时，会发生的一件事是，你只是四处走动，一个男人打你的屁股，你不知道他是想恭维你，还是真的很暴力。
And so something that we do, something that we've learned to do, is to not reject men.
因此，我们所做的事情，我们已经学会做的事情，就是不拒绝男人。
One of the strategies we adopt is laugh, smile, be collegiate, be appeasing, be non-confrontational.
我们采取的策略之一是大笑、微笑、合作、安抚、非对抗。
Right?
对吗？
So I want to suggest to you that it's possible that a lot of the smiles and laughs that you see on the faces of the women who you slap or compliment are ways for them to get out of the situation rather than ways of thanking you.
所以我想建议你，你在那些被你扇耳光或赞美的女性脸上看到的许多微笑和大笑可能是她们摆脱困境的方式，而不是感谢你的方式。
Well, I actually kind of feel a little bit bad now.
嗯，其实我现在感觉有点不好。
Yeah, no, I do.
是的，不，我愿意。
Because I understand that.
因为我明白这一点。
I understand that.
我明白这一点。
That an ass slap cannot just be taken as a compliment.
打屁股不能仅仅被视为一种恭维。
Zac seemed to get that.
扎克似乎明白了。
But then Mike explained that what I'd said didn't implicate them.
但随后迈克解释说，我所说的并没有牵连到他们。
Honestly, like, just because you feel that, and just because it's in the headlines, it does not mean that all chicks, all girls, have that same feeling.
老实说，仅仅因为你有这种感觉，并且仅仅因为它出现在头条新闻中，并不意味着所有小鸡、所有女孩都有同样的感觉。
, Like every girl has a different level of sensitivity, and I'm feeling from you that your level of sensitivity is way higher, and there's a reason for why that is.
，就像每个女孩都有不同程度的敏感度一样，我从你身上感觉到你的敏感度要高得多，这是有原因的。
And that's because of your upbringing or something in your past has brought you to feel this way.
那是因为你的成长经历或过去的某些事情让你有这种感觉。
In the end, they just weren't buying it.
最终，他们只是不买账。
They kept coming back at me with variations on the same theme.
他们不断地向我反馈同一主题的各种变化。
Not all girls feel like you do, and we don't mean any harm.
并非所有女孩都像你一样，我们无意伤害。
I just couldn't talk them out of it.
我只是无法说服他们放弃。
Are you still going to yell at women on the street after talking to me?
跟我说话之后你还要在街上对女人大喊大叫吗？
No, I can't.
不，我不能。
But I think it makes a reasonable proportion of us feel bad, and I think you taking the risk of frightening someone who something bad has happened to is an unkind thing to do.
但我认为这会让我们中的相当一部分人感到难过，而且我认为冒险去吓唬那些发生了不好的事情的人是一件不友善的事情。
Well, I'm sorry for being unkind, but I'm just another paradise bird flaunting my shit.
好吧，我很抱歉我不友善，但我只是另一只炫耀我的粪便的天堂鸟。
But you don't think that you can try and be better?
但你不认为你可以尝试变得更好吗？
A better paradise bird?
更好的天堂鸟？
Eleanor Gordon-Smith A better person?
埃莉诺·戈登-史密斯 是一个更好的人吗？
It's true that I can't speak for other women, but I can speak to them.
确实，我不能代表其他女性说话，但我可以对她们说话。
So just for the record, I went to check if I am the only one who feels this way.
因此，为了记录一下，我去检查一下我是否是唯一有这种感觉的人。
I talked to girls who are out, like out out, girls in sashes and tiaras and girls smoking outside clubs.
我和那些外出的女孩交谈过，比如外出的女孩，戴着腰带、戴着头饰的女孩，以及在俱乐部外吸烟的女孩。
And I asked them what they thought about catcalling.
我问他们对嘘声有何看法。
I hate it so much.
我非常讨厌它。
It makes me feel so uncomfortable, pissed off, and scared.
这让我感到非常不舒服、生气和害怕。
Shitty, but also super scared.
很糟糕，但也超级害怕。
Just the idea that someone is so much bigger than me and could so easily do something to me.
只是想到有人比我大得多，可以轻易对我做点什么。
I feel cheap.
我感觉很便宜。
I feel like I need to change my clothing, like I shouldn't have worn a dress today.
我觉得我需要换衣服，就像我今天不应该穿裙子一样。
I've never met like, a single person who enjoys it.
我从来没有遇到过像这样喜欢它的人。
Not even really drunk women like it, I don't think.
我想，就连喝醉酒的女人也不喜欢它。
I've never ever, ever met a girl that enjoyed it, ever.
我从来没有遇到过一个喜欢它的女孩。
There was one woman who kind of enjoyed it.
有一位女士很享受这种感觉。
She was young and peppered with freckles, and just chilled out about everything.
她很年轻，满脸雀斑，对一切都表现得很淡定。
He complimented my butt, and I don't like my butt, so I was like, cool.
他称赞我的屁股，而我不喜欢我的屁股，所以我说，酷。
By now, I was going kind of mad that I hadn't talked Zac out of cat-calling.
到现在为止，我有点生气了，因为我没有说服扎克不要乱叫。
I hate losing arguments.
我讨厌输掉争论。
But more than that, I hate losing arguments for reasons I don't quite understand.
但更重要的是，我讨厌因为我不太明白的原因而输掉争论。
And I still didn't understand Zac at all.
我仍然完全不理解扎克。
Did he seriously just need evidence that more women felt like I did?
他真的只是需要证据证明更多的女性和我有同样的感受吗？
I decided to try persuading him a second time, only this time, I'd be armed with numbers.
我决定第二次尝试说服他，只是这一次，我会用数字武装起来。
We met up again at 5 o'clock on a Wednesday, on the exact same spot where he yelled at me.
我们在星期三下午 5 点再次见面，地点正是他对我大喊大叫的地方。
On the night we'd met, there'd been vomit on the sidewalk, but by the middle of the week, it was just milk crates and cigarette butts.
我们见面的那天晚上，人行道上到处都是呕吐物，但到了周中，就只剩下牛奶箱和烟头了。
It took us a minute to recognize each other, but when we did, we sat side by side in the gutter and talked for an hour, conspicuously not touching elbows.
我们花了一分钟才认出对方，但当我们认出对方时，我们并排坐在阴沟里，聊了一个小时，明显没有碰肘。
All right.
好吧。
Let's talk about this slapping women on the ass thing.
我们来谈谈打女人屁股的事。
All right.
好吧。
[LAUGHING] Let's talk about it.
[笑]我们来谈谈吧。
You're sold on it.
你已经被它卖了。
It's such a killer.
这真是一个杀手。
It so works.
它是如此有效。
You've just asked a question about a point--
你刚才问了一个关于一个点的问题——
But you told me it doesn't work.
但你告诉我这不起作用。
You told me that I'm the first woman who's ever spoken to you after doing any of this stuff.
你告诉我，我是第一个在做了这些事情之后和你说话的女人。
Yeah, that's true.
是的，确实如此。
That's true.
确实如此。
I was just being a smart ass.
我只是个自作聪明的人。
I'll just tell you like, other times it's happened.
我只是告诉你，其他时候也发生过这种情况。
In Newtown once, it was Australia Day two years ago, I was with the same mate.
有一次在纽敦，那是两年前的澳大利亚国庆日，我和同一个伙伴在一起。
And there was this group of like, English girls.
还有一群像英国女孩一样的人。
I could hear their accent.
我能听到他们的口音。
And I was like, fuck, fuck this.
我当时想，操，操这个。
I'm going to fucking start with their asses.
我要从他们的屁股开始。
There's like, 10 of them.
大约有 10 个。
And I walked up in the middle of them, slapped one of the asses in the middle.
我走到他们中间，打了中间的一头驴一巴掌。
Kind of like pushed my way through, and I just like started to impersonate them all.
有点像强行闯过去，我就喜欢开始模仿他们所有人。
And they loved it.
他们喜欢它。
We ended up going to a pub and having drinks with them.
我们最后去了一家酒吧和他们一起喝酒。
But it didn't lead to anything more than that.
但它并没有带来更多的结果。
But they like, thought that was cool.
但他们喜欢，认为这很酷。
They were like, fucking, that's arrest worthy.
他们说，他妈的，这值得逮捕。
You could get arrested for what you just did, but you did it.
你可能会因为你刚才的所作所为而被捕，但你确实做到了。
So fucking kudos to you.
太他妈的给你点赞了。
Come have a drink.
来喝一杯吧。
The story that you just told me sounds like there was a group of women who were out by themselves, enjoying themselves.
你刚才给我讲的故事听起来像是有一群女人独自出去玩。
You ran into the middle of the group, you hit one of them without asking or speaking to her.
你跑进了人群中间，在没有询问或与其中一个人说话的情况下就打了她。
[LAUGHING] That's not funny to me, man.
[笑]这对我来说一点都不好笑，伙计。
What I'm trying to explain to you is that it's not just me who feels frightened at this stuff.
我想向你解释的是，不仅仅是我对这些东西感到害怕。
And it's not just me who doesn't find it fun.
而且不只是我觉得这很有趣。
I have some stats too.
我也有一些统计数据。
Hang on.
坚持住。
So a survey found that 67% of women think that an interaction in the street, like a catcall or a slap, is going to escalate.
一项调查发现，67% 的女性认为街上的互动，比如嘘声或掌掴，会升级。
To a physical attack.
来进行物理攻击。
Zac Something bad?
扎克 有什么不好的吗？
2/3 of women think that it's going to get worse.
2/3 的女性认为情况会变得更糟。
That's really bad.
那真的很糟糕。
Eleanor Gordon-Smith 85% feel angry, 78% feel annoyed, 80% feel nervous, and 72% feel disgusted.
埃莉诺·戈登-史密斯 85% 的人感到愤怒，78% 的人感到恼火，80% 的人感到紧张，72% 的人感到厌恶。
It's not just me, man.
不仅仅是我，伙计。
Most of us hate it.
我们大多数人都讨厌它。
Well, stats are stats, aren't they?
好吧，统计数据就是统计数据，不是吗？
Far out.
很远。
I've never actually-- I've never heard any stats from it.
事实上，我从来没有听说过任何统计数据。
I've just gone off face value from the situation.
我刚刚脱离了这种情况的表面价值。
So, yeah, if you're asking me if I feel bad about what I've done, yeah, I feel bad if I've made anyone feel anything than like, kind of complimented.
所以，是的，如果你问我是否对自己所做的事情感到难过，是的，如果我让任何人感到不喜欢，有点恭维，我会感觉很糟糕。
Yes, definitely.
是的，绝对是。
Those odds suggest to me that you probably have made people feel angry and frightened.
这些可能性告诉我，你可能让人们感到愤怒和恐惧。
I don't think I have.
我想我没有。
I honestly don't think I have, because I've seen the reaction.
老实说，我不认为我有，因为我已经看到了反应。
I'm not grabbing a chick's ass whatsoever.
我绝对不会去抓小鸡的屁股。
It's like a slap, it's like a tap.
就像是一巴掌，又像是一个水龙头。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思吗？
A grab, I think that's a bit fucking weird.
抢，我觉得这有点奇怪。
A dude going and grabbing a girl's arse, that's fucking wrong.
一个男人去抓住一个女孩的屁股，这是错误的。
What makes it wrong to grab a girl's ass?
抓住女孩的屁股有什么错？
Because you're like, you're fucking feeling their flesh and their body, and it's like, you could make them feel really uncomfortable.
因为你就像，你他妈的感觉到他们的肉体和身体，就像，你会让他们感到非常不舒服。
Like any--
就像任何一个——
OK, but the things that make it wrong to grab someone, I'm telling you that's the same for slapping them.
好吧，但是抓人是错误的，我告诉你，打他们耳光也是一样的。
But you can't speak for every girl, you know?
但你不能代表每个女孩，你知道吗？
You don't know--
你不知道——
Yes, we're back on this point.
是的，我们又回到了这一点。
He was not budging on this.
他在这件事上没有让步。
He came back to it over and over.
他一遍又一遍地回想起这件事。
He seemed to have this whole imagined world of women who were into this, and he wasn't ready to let it go.
他似乎拥有整个想象中的女人世界，而他不准备放手。
What is it that you're thinking that makes you so reluctant to give it up?
你在想什么让你如此不愿意放弃？
'Cause I try and put myself in their position, and I try and imagine what it would be like to just be walking and have some compliment thrown at me by whoever.
因为我试着把自己放在他们的位置上，我试着想象一下，如果只是在走路的时候，有人对我表示赞美，那会是什么样子。
I would get some type of compliment out of it.
我会从中得到某种赞美。
If they'd had enough balls, or had enough beers, or fucking whatever to be able to yell something out, I'd be like, yeah, fucking whatever.
如果他们有足够的球，或者有足够的啤酒，或者他妈的任何能够大喊大叫的东西，我会说，是的，他妈的无论什么。
Yeah, that's the way I try and like, look at things.
是的，这就是我尝试并喜欢的看待事物的方式。
How would I feel?
我会有什么感觉？
So how would you feel if someone did what you do and slapped you on the ass without warning and without asking?
那么，如果有人做了你所做的事，在没有警告、没有询问的情况下打你的屁股，你会有什么感觉？
I would feel a little bit special.
我会觉得有点特别。
If I was with a group of mates, I'd be like, ha, that's right.
如果我和一群朋友在一起，我会说，哈，没错。
I've got a better ass than all you cunts.
我的屁股比你们所有的贱人都好。
He just thinks it's nice to be noticed.
他只是觉得受到关注是件好事。
Not intimidating, not scary.
不吓人，不吓人。
Just nice.
很好。
Can I tell you I found this stuff really depressing?
我可以告诉你我发现这些东西真的很令人沮丧吗？
Why?
为什么？
Eleanor Gordon-Smith Because I feel like I've been walking around for days now believing that people want to be nice, and believing that it comes from a good place, and believing that guys are just trying to have fun and compliment people.
埃莉诺·戈登·史密斯 因为我觉得我已经走了好几天了，相信人们想要变得友善，相信它来自一个好地方，并相信男人只是想找乐子并赞美别人。
But it's real, real hard for me to keep believing that when I tell people how angry it makes us, I tell people how sad it makes us, I tell people about sexual violence statistics, and the reaction isn't "that matters to me, and I'm going to stop." The reaction is, "That doesn't matter to me."
但对我来说，真的很难继续相信，当我告诉人们这让我们多么愤怒，我告诉人们这让我们多么悲伤，我告诉人们有关性暴力的统计数据，而人们的反应并不是“这对我来说很重要，我要停止”。反应是：“这对我来说并不重要。”
And it makes me feel like I'm walking around begging people to take people like me seriously, and they're choosing their fun over how I feel.
这让我觉得我在四处乞求人们认真对待像我这样的人，而他们却选择了他们的乐趣而不是我的感受。
It makes me feel so small.
这让我感觉自己是如此的渺小。
I know.
我知道。
That's fucked.
那太操蛋了
That's fucked.
那太操蛋了
Well, that's kind of just the selfishness of the world.
好吧，这就是世界的自私。
People know how fucked up-- how bad of things have happened to people.
人们知道人们发生了多么糟糕的事情。
But it's still not going to hinder the way that they are or anything like that.
但这仍然不会妨碍他们的现状或类似的事情。
That's just like human selfishness.
这就像人类的自私一样。
But I don't want to talk about humans and selfishness.
但我不想谈论人性和自私。
I want to talk about you.
我想谈谈你。
OK.
好的。
[LAUGHING] Eleanor Gordon-Smith You going to stop?
[笑]埃莉诺·戈登·史密斯 你要停下来吗？
'Cause I'm not playing.
因为我不玩了
Yes.
是的。
I'm not going to slap any more asses.
我不会再打屁股了。
Compliments when I feel they are appropriate, and they're not too suggestive in any way, they're very lighthearted, I think I'm still going to do.
当我觉得合适的时候赞美，而且在任何方面都没有太多暗示性，非常轻松，我想我仍然会这样做。
Can you shake my hand and promise me you won't slap any more asses?
你能握着我的手答应我不再打屁股吗？
Yes, I can shake your hand.
是的，我可以和你握手。
I can shake your hand.
我可以和你握手。
I am not going to slap any more asses.
我不会再打屁股了。
After he left, I sat on the curb surrounded by fossilized bits of chewing gum and watched the traffic go by.
他离开后，我坐在路边，周围都是口香糖化石，看着车流驶过。
This was the most success I had with any of the guys I talked to.
这是我和我交谈过的人中最成功的一次。
It took 120 minutes of conversation with one man to get him to commit to not literally assaulting women.
与一名男子进行了 120 分钟的交谈后，他才承诺不会真正侵犯女性。
Eleanor Gordon Smith.
埃莉诺·戈登·史密斯。
She teaches ethics at the University of Sydney.
她在悉尼大学教授伦理学。
[MUSIC PLAYING] Act Two: The Real Decoy Ira Glass Act Two, "The Real Decoy." So now we turn to the story of a man who had always had one way of doing things and talking to people.
[音乐播放] 第二幕：真正的诱饵 Ira Glass 第二幕，“真正的诱饵”。现在我们来谈谈一个人的故事，他总是以一种方式做事和与人交谈。
And then he did not need a stranger on the street to walk up to him with a microphone.
然后他不需要街上有陌生人拿着麦克风走到他面前。
He noticed this on his own, that the way he was dealing with people had stopped working the way it always had, and he made some adjustments.
他自己注意到了这一点，他与人打交道的方式不再像以前那样有效，他做了一些调整。
Stephanie Foo tells what happened.
斯蒂芬妮·福讲述了发生的事情。
Michael Pitre was always the new kid growing up .
迈克尔·皮特（Michael Pitre）一直是成长过程中的新孩子。
He went to 10 schools in five states.
他去了五个州的 10 所学校。
But he generally did OK, because he's always been good at telling stories.
但他总体来说还不错，因为他一直很擅长讲故事。
Even now, he's got a solid arsenal.
即使现在，他也拥有坚实的武器库。
Do you want to hear Fred the Scorpion?
你想听蝎子弗雷德吗？
That's another one of the greatest hits.
这是另一首最热门的歌曲。
I-- Michael Pitre Do you want to hear something else?
我-- Michael Pitre 你还想听点别的吗？
Want to hear another funny one?
想听另一个有趣的吗？
I actually-- I'm running out of time a little bit.
事实上，我的时间已经不多了。
Mike is like this wherever he is-- at home, at work.
迈克无论在哪里——在家里、在工作中——都是这样。
In 2006 and 2007, Mike served two tours in Iraq, and he had a rep there as the storyteller, the funny guy.
2006年和2007年，迈克在伊拉克进行了两次巡演，他在那里有一个代表，即讲故事的人，即有趣的人。
Joslyn Hemler was in the Marine Corps with them, and I asked her about turnover briefs.
乔斯林·赫姆勒和他们一起在海军陆战队服役，我向她询问了离职简报。
Mike ran all the operations for his battalion overnight, and in the morning had to give a briefing of the events of the past 12 hours.
迈克连夜负责他所在营的所有行动，早上必须通报过去 12 小时发生的事件。
Turnover briefs are one of those monotonous things we probably do.
营业额简介是我们可能做的那些单调的事情之一。
So very matter of fact, very military.
事实上，非常军事化。
But Mike, it somehow turned into like, a quasi like, soap opera of events.
但是迈克，不知何故，它变成了一部类似肥皂剧的事件。
He'd be like, sitting in this rolling chair, he'd have one of those extended pointers.
他会想，坐在这把滚动椅上，他会有一个伸出的指针。
And he'd be like, let's go to the map.
他会说，我们去看地图吧。
And he'd like, roll all the way across the watch floor.
他想，一路滚过值班台。
Like, he just gave such rich detail to the story.
就像，他只是为这个故事提供了如此丰富的细节。
A lot of times, he's looking for validation when he tells his stories, which are funny.
很多时候，他在讲述自己的故事时寻求验证，这些故事很有趣。
He'll be like, that was funny, right?
他会说，这很有趣，对吧？
Mike came back stateside after his first deployment, and he was visiting his parents on New Year's Eve, as some kids were shooting fireworks.
迈克在第一次部署后回到美国，在除夕夜看望父母，当时一些孩子正在放烟花。
I said, yeah, those fireworks look like airburst mortars.
我说，是的，那些烟花看起来像空爆迫击炮。
And my brother said, oh, did you see any airburst mortars?
我哥哥说，哦，你看到空爆迫击炮了吗？
I mean, a question as innocuous as that.
我的意思是，这样一个无伤大雅的问题。
So Mike did what he'd always done.
所以迈克做了他一直做的事情。
He started telling the first story that popped into his head on the subject.
他开始讲述他脑海中闪现的第一个关于这个主题的故事。
And I started talking about-- there was this one day I was running on this large base where I was stationed, and a volley of airburst mortars came in.
我开始谈论——有一天，我在我驻扎的这个大型基地跑步时，一排空爆迫击炮射了进来。
And where they went off, right underneath them was a Naval officer, and she took a piece of shrapnel right through her neck, right in front of me and these three other Marines.
他们出发的地方，就在他们下面是一名海军军官，她的脖子上有一块弹片，就在我和另外三名海军陆战队员的面前。
And she is dying, she is bleeding to death, and she is scared.
她快要死了，她流血过多而死，她很害怕。
And it's me and these three Marines getting her into the back of a Humvee, and she's telling us what to tell her kids.
我和这三名海军陆战队员把她弄进了一辆悍马车的后座，她正在告诉我们该告诉她的孩子们什么。
And telling that to my family--
并告诉我的家人——
What did their faces look like as you were saying it?
当你说话的时候，他们的表情是什么样子的？
Just sort of shocked and horrified.
只是有点震惊和恐惧。
And you don't ever want your family to look at you with shock and horror.
你也不希望你的家人用震惊和恐惧的眼神看着你。
That's not fun.
那不好玩。
Mike told his family, by the way, she wound up being OK.
迈克告诉他的家人，顺便说一句，她结果没事。
The officer survived.
该军官幸存下来。
But that didn't lighten the mood.
但这并没有缓和气氛。
And he couldn't figure out how to save the moment.
他不知道如何挽救这一刻。
That was new and weird.
那是新奇的。
This happened a few more times when he was home between deployments.
当他在部署期间在家时，这种情况又发生了几次。
His best friend Brock asked him about IEDs.
他最好的朋友布洛克向他询问简易爆炸装置的情况。
And he answered honestly.
而他也如实回答。
They never talked about IEDs again after that.
此后他们再也没有谈论过简易爆炸装置。
Other friends on other nights at other bars asked about Iraqis or politics.
其他晚上在其他酒吧的其他朋友询问伊拉克人或政治。
And so the first time your friends from back home ask you, you answer the question very, very honestly.
所以当你家乡的朋友第一次问你的时候，你回答得非常非常诚实。
And you realize that halfway through your answer, that you're making everyone very uncomfortable.
你在回答到一半时意识到你让每个人都感到非常不舒服。
And it's almost like the air between you starts to thicken.
就好像你们之间的空气开始变得粘稠。
It's almost a physical feeling of people withdrawing from you.
这几乎是人们远离你的一种身体感觉。
What are they supposed to do?
他们应该做什么？
What are they supposed to say to you?
他们应该对你说什么？
They have nothing to say to you.
他们对你无话可说。
And also, what are they thinking about me right now?
还有，他们现在在想我什么？
What were you afraid that they were thinking about you?
你担心他们在想你什么？
That I was damaged.
我被损坏了。
That I had nothing else to talk about.
那我就没什么可谈的了。
That I was a violent person.
说我是一个暴力的人。
That I wasn't a normal person.
原来我不是一个正常人。
And if you say I don't want to talk about it, then you're the truculent vet who is going to be sitting brooding in the corner, and that carries its own stigma.
如果你说我不想谈论它，那么你就是一个好斗的兽医，他会坐在角落里沉思，这本身就带有耻辱。
We think that it's like, oh, it's because you're so damaged.
我们认为这就像，哦，这是因为你受到了如此严重的伤害。
Right.
正确的。
You have a shattered psyche.
你的心灵已经支离破碎。
You must.
你必须。
But you're like, no, it's because I'm trying to protect your psyche.
但你会说，不，这是因为我想保护你的心灵。
I want to protect the conversation.
我想保护对话。
I think what people hear sometimes is "I don't want to talk about it because it bothers me so much." And sometimes it's, "I don't want to talk about it because it's going to bother you, and you don't even know it."
我认为人们有时听到的是“我不想谈论它，因为它让我很烦恼”。有时，“我不想谈论它，因为它会打扰你，而你甚至不知道。”
He learned to shut up about that stuff.
他学会了对那些事情闭嘴。
Not that people stopped asking.
但人们并没有停止询问。
Like he was out with friends, and someone asked him about mortars again.
就像他和朋友出去玩一样，有人又问他迫击炮的事。
And even though, of course, the first story that popped into his head was about the officer who got shrapnel in her neck, it was like he went on to the next slide.
当然，尽管他脑海中浮现的第一个故事是关于一名警察的脖子被弹片击中的故事，但他就像继续看下一张幻灯片。
Tried something different.
尝试了一些不同的东西。
And he blurted out--
然后他脱口而出——
Well, you know, you have to get a good poo on the mortar.
嗯，你知道，你必须在迫击炮上拉一坨大便。
They're like, oh, what, a poo on the mortar?
它们就像，哦，什么，迫击炮上的便便？
It's like, yeah, the point of origin.
是的，这就像原点。
Basically, they can trace where an enemy mortar's launched from.
基本上，他们可以追踪敌人迫击炮的发射地点。
Its point of origin, POO.
它的原点，POO。
So everyone just refers very casually to a mortar's POO.
所以大家只是很随意的指迫击炮的POO。
And then in the command center, there's like wall maps, where there's an officer in charge of marking every POO in-- no kidding-- a little brown marker.
然后在指挥中心，就像墙上的地图一样，有一名官员负责用——不开玩笑——用棕色的小记号笔标记每一个便便。
And there was this place to the northeast of Fallujah.
费卢杰东北部有一个地方。
It's a bend in the river.
这是河的一个拐弯处。
Topographically, it looked like a scrotum.
从地形上看，它看起来像一个阴囊。
So everyone called it the ball sack.
所以大家都叫它球袋。
And that's the place where most of the mortars were launched.
那是大多数迫击炮发射的地方。
And so, you'd see your old friends on the base.
所以，你会在基地见到你的老朋友。
And you'd say, what are you up to these days?
你会说，这些天你在忙什么？
And they go, oh, you know, I'm just POO hunting in the ball sac.
他们说，哦，你知道，我只是在球囊里寻找便便。
Yeah, be careful.
是的，要小心。
Ball sac's no joke.
球囊可不是开玩笑的。
He was back, the funny guy.
他回来了，那个有趣的家伙。
The guy people actually wanted to be around.
人们真正想和他在一起的人。
And it was easy.
这很容易。
Mike started getting better at using questions to pivot to funny military stories.
迈克开始越来越善于利用问题来讲述有趣的军事故事。
Like when people asked about helicopters, he talked about how a friend's epic farts would stink up the whole bird.
就像当人们问起直升机时，他谈到朋友的史诗般的屁会让整只鸟都发臭。
Did it feel like you were connecting with people?
感觉你在与人交往吗？
Yes.
是的。
It is euphoric.
这是令人欣快的。
It was great for years.
多年来一直很棒。
It felt great.
感觉棒极了。
There was an element of relief in having solved the problem.
问题的解决让我松了口气。
Yeah.
是的。
Michael Pitre That's what an officer does.
迈克尔·皮特（Michael Pitre）：这就是军官该做的事。
You're handed a problem.
你遇到了一个问题。
In the military, it's called a mission.
在军队中，这被称为使命。
You design the solution to it, and you execute it.
您设计解决方案，然后执行它。
It was around this time that Mike met Erin.
大约在这个时候，迈克遇到了艾琳。
She was a friend of his little sister's, and they'd started emailing each other during his first deployment.
她是他妹妹的朋友，在他第一次部署期间他们就开始互相发送电子邮件。
And he developed a huge crush, even though he'd never met her in person.
他对她产生了强烈的迷恋，尽管他从未见过她本人。
So now that he was home, he finally went out with her and a bunch of her friends.
所以现在他回家了，他终于和她以及她的一群朋友一起出去了。
So they're out, and someone brought up the Iraqis.
所以他们出去了，有人带上了伊拉克人。
Said, are they even doing anything for themselves over there?
说，他们那边还为自己做事吗？
This was such a cartoonish idea of the war, it annoyed Mike.
这种关于战争的卡通化想法让迈克很恼火。
And without thinking, he found himself telling a story to prove how seriously the Iraqi army took their jobs, a story where in order to find a terrorist, the Iraqi army rounded up all the men in a village, bound them, and put them on their knees with their heads against the wall.
不假思索，他发现自己在讲一个故事来证明伊拉克军队是多么认真地对待他们的工作，这个故事是为了找到恐怖分子，伊拉克军队把一个村庄里的所有男人都围起来，把他们绑起来，让他们跪下，头靠在墙上。
That's how seriously they took this.
他们就是这么认真地对待这件事的。
He stopped talking and realized, crickets.
他停止说话，意识到是蟋蟀。
He looked up at Erin.
他抬头看着艾琳。
She was horrified.
她吓坏了。
And he thought, oh god, oh god.
他想，天啊，天啊。
I've got to tell a funny story now.
我现在必须讲一个有趣的故事。
So he launched into one of his classics, Fred the Scorpion, which goes like this.
于是他开始创作他的经典作品之一《蝎子弗雷德》，故事是这样的。
So my first deployment, I was a platoon commander.
所以我的第一次部署是排长。
And some of my Marines found a scorpion.
我的一些海军陆战队员发现了一只蝎子。
And that's a big deal.
这是一件大事。
You can feed it vermin.
你可以给它喂害虫。
You can fight it against other scorpions owned by other platoons.
你可以用它来对抗其他排拥有的其他蝎子。
So this scorpion, unbeknownst to me, kind of became the platoon mascot, and they kept it in a cardboard box in their barracks, right underneath someone's bed.
所以这只蝎子，在我不知情的情况下，成了排的吉祥物，他们把它放在营房的一个纸板箱里，就在某人的床底下。
Mike finds out about the scorpion.
迈克发现了蝎子的事。
Turns out, it's one of the most deadly species in the world.
事实证明，它是世界上最致命的物种之一。
He's their boss, so he orders them to kill it.
他是他们的老大，所以他命令他们杀掉它。
But everybody is really attached to Fred, so they come up with this crazy plan to euthanize him.
但每个人都非常喜欢弗雷德，所以他们想出了这个疯狂的计划来安乐死他。
They dropped him into a bucket of diesel fuel for, I think, three days.
他们把他扔进一桶柴油里，我想，三天了。
And he's all shriveled up, and everyone's pretty convinced he's dead.
他全身都枯萎了，每个人都确信他已经死了。
They pick him up, he springs back to life, and he runs off into the desert.
他们把他抱起来，他复活了，然后跑进了沙漠。
[LAUGHING] Yeah, Fred the Scorpion.
[笑]是的，蝎子弗雷德。
I miss him.
我很想念他。
OK.
好的。
So Fred the Scorpion.
所以蝎子弗雷德。
Michael Pitre Yeah.
迈克尔·皮特雷 是的。
It goes over great.
一切进展顺利。
Is it a decoy for another story that is real?
这是另一个真实故事的诱饵吗？
Yeah.
是的。
And the story-- so there was a curfew at night in the surrounding communities, like [INAUDIBLE], and Fallujah, and Ramadi.
还有这个故事——周围的社区，比如[听不清]、费卢杰和拉马迪，晚上实行宵禁。
So people couldn't drive at night.
所以人们晚上不能开车。
Power was intermittent, and it was hot.
电源断断续续，而且很热。
Some Iraqi families would sleep on the roof at night to keep cool.
一些伊拉克家庭晚上会睡在屋顶上纳凉。
It wasn't unheard of for kids to get stung by scorpions up there.
孩子们在那里被蝎子蜇伤并非闻所未闻。
And they would be faced with the decision of, do we get in our car and try to take our child to get medical help and risk getting shot?
他们将面临这样的决定：我们是否要冒着被枪杀的风险，开车带孩子去寻求医疗帮助？
And that's something I heard all the time from Iraqis.
这是我一直从伊拉克人那里听到的。
What do we do if our child is dying of a scorpion bite?
如果我们的孩子被蝎子咬伤而死亡，我们该怎么办？
Can we violate curfew then?
那么我们可以违反宵禁吗？
The curfew was imposed by the Americans.
宵禁是美国人实施的。
And he couldn't promise that an Iraqi family traveling to the hospital to save their kid would not get shot by Americans who were trying to protect themselves from suicide bombers.
他也无法保证前往医院救孩子的伊拉克家庭不会被试图保护自己免受自杀式炸弹袭击的美国人开枪射击。
So when Iraqis asked him this question?
那么当伊拉克人问他这个问题时呢？
The answer you want to give them is, yes, please, bring us your kid.
你想给他们的答案是，是的，请把你的孩子带给我们。
Let us help.
让我们帮忙吧。
The actual answer is you're taking your life in your hands.
真正的答案是你正在把自己的生命掌握在自己手中。
And so that's the story you don't want to tell.
这就是你不想讲的故事。
Yeah, scorpions are not just this innocuous-- a scorpion bite for an Iraqi family causes an impossible decision and puts Marines in impossible situations.
是的，蝎子不仅仅如此无害——一个伊拉克家庭被蝎子咬伤会导致一个不可能的决定，并使海军陆战队陷入不可能的境地。
And for years, we were faced with that.
多年来，我们一直面临着这个问题。
But Fred the Scorpion, the decoy story, worked.
但“蝎子弗雷德”这个诱饵故事却奏效了。
Everyone at the table laughed.
桌上的人都笑了。
Erin relaxed.
艾琳放松下来。
Two months later, she quit her job and moved across the country to be with him.
两个月后，她辞去了工作，搬到全国各地与他在一起。
Nearly 10% of Americans served in the Second World War.
近 10% 的美国人曾在第二次世界大战中服役。
Back then, you very likely had a co-worker, a son, a neighbor who was serving in the war effort.
那时，你很可能有一位同事、一个儿子、一个邻居在战争中服役。
In Vietnam, far fewer served.
在越南，服役的人数要少得多。
2% of the population.
人口的2%。
Today, only about half a percent of our population has served in Iraq and Afghanistan, experiencing something that's mostly invisible to the rest of us.
如今，我们只有大约一半的人口曾在伊拉克和阿富汗服役，经历着我们其他人几乎看不到的事情。
So when people ask these seemingly simple questions about the war at a Christmas party, vets today have to figure out how to communicate this very large, nuanced, morally complicated thing to people who are probably coming to the conversation knowing nothing at all.
因此，当人们在圣诞晚会上问这些看似简单的关于战争的问题时，今天的退伍军人必须弄清楚如何向那些可能一无所知的人传达这个非常大的、微妙的、道德上复杂的事情。
Silence is an option a lot of vets go with.
沉默是许多兽医的选择。
There's also dodging the question entirely, or the whole gory shock and awe method.
还有完全回避这个问题，或者整个血腥的震惊和敬畏方法。
The funny stories work around was Mike's solution.
有趣的故事是迈克的解决方案。
And for years, it worked.
多年来，它一直有效。
Sort of.
有点像。
There was a downside.
有一个缺点。
Mike came home from his final deployment in 2007.
2007 年，迈克完成最后一次部署归国。
Then he and Erin moved to Louisiana to start their lives together.
然后他和艾琳搬到路易斯安那州开始他们的生活。
Both of them went back to school, they held dinner parties, went to shows.
他们俩都回到学校，举办晚宴，去看演出。
Everything seemed fantastic.
一切看起来都很棒。
But Erin was disturbed by the fact that Mike could be distant.
但艾琳对迈克的疏远感到不安。
Every once in a while, when he got really drunk, he'd lose his temper and start yelling.
有时候，当他喝得很醉的时候，他就会发脾气，开始大喊大叫。
He often couldn't sleep and had trouble making friends.
他经常睡不着觉，也很难交到朋友。
At those dinner parties, he could still make people laugh by telling those funny stories about the war.
在那些晚宴上，他仍然可以通过讲述那些关于战争的有趣故事来逗人发笑。
But Erin says they were always the same few stories, and he'd just held them over and over and over again.
但艾琳说，它们总是同样的几个故事，而他只是一遍又一遍地拿着它们。
Here's Erin.
这是艾琳。
I could recognize that it was a mask, that it wasn't the real thing.
我可以认出那是一个面具，它不是真的。
I mean, he was vaudeville.
我的意思是，他是歌舞杂耍。
You know, and I was guilty of being like, Mike, tell us.
你知道，我对迈克告诉我们的行为感到内疚。
Tell us the time with the POO.
告诉我们 POO 的时间。
[LAUGHING] But like, I would hear people ask him questions.
[笑]但是，我会听到人们问他问题。
And I would catch him telling decoy stories.
我会发现他讲诱饵故事。
I think he just wanted a break, and he wanted to live, and he wanted to be happy, which was OK.
我想他只是想休息一下，他想生活，他想快乐，这没关系。
Until it wasn't.
直到事实并非如此。
A couple of years later, on a chilly evening, one of Mike's best friends from college visited the two of them in Louisiana.
几年后，在一个寒冷的夜晚，迈克最好的大学朋友之一去路易斯安那州拜访了他们两人。
The friend was spending the night, and they were all on his porch at 2:00 AM drinking.
凌晨 2:00，朋友在他家过夜，他们都在他的门廊上喝酒。
His friend was talking.
他的朋友正在说话。
And I think he kind of said almost apropos of nowhere, you know 5,000 people dying in a war is not really that much, historically speaking.
我认为他说的几乎是无中生有，你知道，从历史角度来看，在战争中死亡的 5,000 人并不算多。
And I lost control of myself.
我失去了对自己的控制。
Before I knew it, I was in his face screaming with a finger pointed right at his face, and I had to be physically pulled away by two other people who were there.
在我意识到之前，我就在他面前尖叫，用一根手指指着他的脸，我不得不被在场的另外两个人拉开。
I think what I was screaming at him was, yeah, 5,000 Americans, but you don't care at all about the 100,000 Iraqis, do you?
我想我对他尖叫的是，是的，5,000 名美国人，但你根本不在乎 100,000 名伊拉克人，是吗？
Is that what you're telling me?
这就是你告诉我的吗？
Actually, the number is really in dispute.
事实上，这个数字确实存在争议。
You see estimates between 115,000 and 500,000 deaths.
您会看到估计有 115,000 到 500,000 人死亡。
Do you think that your friend might have been more careful with his choice of words if you had not projected a level of chill about your experiences, you know?
你是否认为，如果你没有对自己的经历表现出一定程度的冷静，你的朋友可能会在措辞上更加谨慎，你知道吗？
That's absolutely correct.
这是绝对正确的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, my friend would have been more careful with his words had I not had such a perfectly cultivated veneer of chill that I'd spent years creating.
是的，如果我没有花费数年时间打造出如此完美的冷漠外表，我的朋友可能会更加小心他的言辞。
This kind of thing had happened a couple of times before, but this incident was the worst, and Erin was worried.
这样的事情以前已经发生过几次了，但这一次是最严重的，艾琳很担心。
She was the only person who knew how much he was suppressing.
她是唯一知道他压抑了多少的人。
Because during Mike's second deployment, he'd handwritten her a letter every day telling her the truth, and his feelings about it, his fear, his grief.
因为在迈克第二次部署期间，他每天都会给她手写一封信，告诉她真相，以及他对此的感受、他的恐惧和他的悲伤。
But once he came home, Mike never mentioned any of these things again, not even to Erin.
但回家后，迈克再也没有提起过这些事情，甚至没有向艾琳提起过。
Whenever she tried to ask a question about them, he just said, my friends died there, so I don't want to talk about it.
每当她试图问有关他们的问题时，他只是说，我的朋友死在那里，所以我不想谈论它。
So the morning after Mike's outburst with his friend, Erin cornered Mike and told him, look, this is happening because you haven't told a real story about the war in years.
因此，在迈克与朋友发生冲突的第二天早上，艾琳将迈克逼到墙角，告诉他，看，发生这种情况是因为你已经很多年没有讲述过关于战争的真实故事了。
The night before, which I was gone completely out of control, she was like, well, at least you were being real with him last night.
前一天晚上，我完全失控了，她说，好吧，至少你昨晚对他是真实的。
At least you respect him that much.
至少你是那么尊重他。
And how did you respond?
你的反应如何？
Michael Pitre Uh, I don't think I did.
Michael Pitre 呃，我想我没有。
She had me.
她有我。
She was right.
她是对的。
There was no response to that.
对此没有任何回应。
Mike had thought the decoy stories had brought him closer to people.
迈克原以为这些诱饵故事让他与人们的关系更加亲近。
But he was now realizing, it might have been doing just the opposite.
但他现在意识到，事情可能适得其反。
That's not a good feeling when you can't even communicate to someone the stories that are actually significant to you.
当你甚至无法向某人传达对你来说真正重要的故事时，这种感觉可不妙。
You deceive them.
你欺骗他们。
You're lying to them.
你在对他们撒谎。
You're telling a story that's true, but that's not the story you want to tell.
你讲的是一个真实的故事，但这不是你想讲的故事。
And over time, people think they know more and more about you, when they know less and less.
随着时间的推移，人们认为他们对你的了解越来越多，而实际上他们了解的却越来越少。
And your friendships become kind of threadbare.
你的友谊变得有些乏味。
Like his friendship with his best friend, Brock, who he'd known since he was 16.
就像他和他最好的朋友布洛克（Brock）的友谊一样，他从 16 岁起就认识了。
Brock was the one who asked him about the IEDs when he got back.
布洛克回来后向他询问简易爆炸装置的事。
And since then, he hadn't told him anything except decoy stories.
从那以后，除了诱骗的故事之外，他再也没有告诉过他任何事情。
But Brock did still ask questions.
但布洛克仍然提出了问题。
So the next time Brock asked a real question, Mike tried something different.
因此，下次布罗克提出真正的问题时，迈克尝试了不同的方法。
He'd read an article about the recovery of bodies on the battlefield.
他读过一篇关于战场上尸体回收的文章。
And he wanted to know about how that worked.
他想知道这是如何运作的。
So I told him how that worked, how if there's a dead body, what the procedures are for removing them.
所以我告诉他这是如何运作的，如果有尸体的话，以及移除尸体的程序是什么。
The details of those types of procedures are horrible.
这些类型的程序的细节是可怕的。
So I told him one of the things you have to do sometimes is post a marine with a rifle to shoot dogs who are coming to try to carry away pieces of your dead friends.
所以我告诉他，有时你必须做的一件事就是派一名海军陆战队员用步枪射击那些试图带走你死去朋友碎片的狗。
I told him that.
我告诉他了。
And it was fine.
一切都很好。
And I realized it was fine, that I could talk to him.
我意识到这很好，我可以和他谈谈。
What made it fine?
是什么让它变得很好？
Michael Pitre What Brock did that was so important and so good, he didn't say anything about it.
迈克尔·皮特（Michael Pitre）：布洛克所做的事情是如此重要，如此出色，他对此什么也没说。
He just looked me in the eye until I was done.
他只是看着我的眼睛，直到我说完。
He was signaling that he was willing to listen.
他表示他愿意倾听。
Yeah, and that he was not-- because when you see a monster, you look away.
是的，他不是——因为当你看到怪物时，你会把目光移开。
But he just kept looking at me in the eye.
但他只是一直看着我的眼睛。
Since then, Mike has shared much more with the people he cares about.
从那时起，迈克与他关心的人分享了更多信息。
All the time.
一直以来。
Yeah.
是的。
Want to hear another one?
想听另一首吗？
So I had this battalion executive officer, who--
所以我有这个营的执行官，他——
The difference is now, he doesn't only tell decoy stories.
不同的是，现在他不再只讲诱饵故事。
He says when he decides which kind of story to tell, sometimes he thinks about the sign that used to hang above the door to the operations center in Iraq.
他说，当他决定讲哪种故事时，有时他会想到曾经挂在伊拉克运营中心门上方的标志。
It read, "What do I know, who needs to know it, and have I told them." And then, he begins his story.
上面写着：“我知道什么，谁需要知道，我告诉他们了吗？”然后，他开始了他的故事。
Stephanie Foo is one of the producers of our program.
Stephanie Foo 是我们节目的制作人之一。
Regarding her story, Michael Pitre has written a novel.
关于她的故事，迈克尔·皮特写了一本小说。
Stephanie says it's really good.
斯蒂芬妮说这真的很好。
It's called "Fives and 25's," which follows a group of Marines during and after the Iraq War.
影片名为《五和二十五》，讲述了伊拉克战争期间和之后的一群海军陆战队员的故事。
We'll have a link to it at our website.
我们将在我们的网站上提供指向它的链接。
[MUSIC PLAYING] Coming up, a robot tries to get with the program.
[音乐播放] 接下来，一个机器人试图执行该程序。
Get it?
得到它？
Get with the program?
参加该计划吗？
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
"This American Life." I'm Ira Glass.
“这就是美国生活。”我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show, "Once More With Feeling," stories of people who decide to rethink the way they've been doing things.
今天的节目“再次有感觉”讲述了人们决定重新思考自己做事方式的故事。
We'll try to get others to do that.
我们将尝试让其他人这样做。
We've arrived at Act Three of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three, "You Had One Job." So we're going to end today's show with a machine, a machine that always does things the same way, because machines are designed and programmed to always do things the same way.
第三幕，“你只有一份工作”。因此，我们将以一台机器结束今天的节目，一台总是以相同方式做事的机器，因为机器被设计和编程为总是以相同方式做事。
This is a piece of fiction from somebody who's a journalist and a TV writer, named Scott Brown.
这是一部由记者兼电视编剧斯科特·布朗撰写的小说。
This story was read for by actor Jeremy Shamos.
这个故事由演员杰里米·沙莫斯朗读。
I have one arm, because my job only takes one arm to do.
我有一只手臂，因为我的工作只需要一只手臂就能完成。
And I only have one job.
而我只有一份工作。
I like my job so much.
我非常喜欢我的工作。
The other officers at precinct nine don't know I like it.
第九分局的其他警官不知道我喜欢它。
They don't know I like anything.
他们不知道我喜欢什么。
I like them, though, especially my operator, Officer Brian Parisse, who the other officers call Gamergate, Indoor Kid, and Tech Support, and whom I called Brian, but not out loud, because I can only say three things out loud-- "Stay Back 1,000 Feet," "Follow Officer's Instructions," "You are in the blast zone."
不过，我喜欢他们，尤其是我的接线员 Brian Parisse 警官，其他警官称他为“游戏门”、“室内小子”和“技术支持”，我也给他打电话，但不能大声说出来，因为我只能大声说三件事——“退后 1,000 英尺”、“遵循警官的指示”、“你在爆炸区”。
When I'm not doing my job, which is most of the time, I'm in the break room.
当我不做我的工作时（大部分时间），我会在休息室。
I'm supposed to be in the vehicle bay, but someone thought it would be funny to put me in the break room, next to the coffee machine wearing a Carolina Panthers hat.
我本来应该在车棚里，但有人觉得把我戴着卡罗莱纳黑豹队的帽子放在休息室里，靠近咖啡机会很有趣。
The hat is to differentiate me from the coffee machine.
这顶帽子是为了把我和咖啡机区分开来。
That's a joke.
那是个笑话。
I am nothing like the coffee machine.
我一点也不像咖啡机。
It weighs nine pounds.
它重九磅。
I weigh 900.
我体重900。
It has rubber nubs for feet and doesn't move.
它的脚上有橡胶块，不会移动。
I have six prehensile AT treads, and can travel up to 18 miles per hour, and I have a hat.
我有六个可抓握的 AT 踏板，行驶速度可达每小时 18 英里，而且我有一顶帽子。
My arm's been outstretched so I can give high fives and handshakes.
我的手臂已经伸出，这样我就可以击掌和握手。
Officers love those.
军官们喜欢那些。
In exchange, they give me a "What up, MILES?" or a "Peace out, MILES."
作为交换，他们会问我“怎么了，迈尔斯？”或者“和平吧，迈尔斯”。
I'm MILES, and I'm very good at handshakes.
我是迈尔斯，我非常擅长握手。
Just OK at high-fives.
击掌就可以了。
Getting better at fist bumps.
越来越擅长碰拳。
I can live with the hat.
我可以忍受这顶帽子。
I know the hat looks stupid because my eye is better than the officers know, and because I have limited learning, a software upgrade only Brian knows about, and because there's a mirror in the break room.
我知道这顶帽子看起来很愚蠢，因为我的眼睛比警官们知道的要好，而且因为我的学识有限，软件升级只有布莱恩知道，而且休息室里有一面镜子。
But mostly, I just like my job.
但最重要的是，我只是喜欢我的工作。
It's simple.
这很简单。
There's unsecured ordinance, what Brian calls a bomb.
有一种不安全的法令，布莱恩称之为炸弹。
I come between the unsecured ordinance and the people.
我处于无保障的法令和人民之间。
Either one, I neutralize the ordinance, or two, I don't stop the ordinance and I'm superficially damaged, or three, I intentionally detonate the ordinance, and I'm superficially damaged.
要么一，我使该法令失效，要么二，我不阻止该法令，我表面上受到了损害，或者三，我故意引爆了该法令，我表面上受到了损害。
I'm designed to be superficially damaged.
我生来就注定会受到表面损伤。
In all three scenarios, nobody gets hurt.
在这三种情况下，没有人受伤。
That's the idea.
就是这个想法。
Last summer, there was an oily package addressed to "Those In Charge" left outside a community health center.
去年夏天，社区卫生中心外留下了一个写给“负责人”的油腻包裹。
As I was unloaded from my trailer, I saw a girl around six entering the blast zone with a jump rope.
当我从拖车上下来时，我看到一个六岁左右的女孩拿着跳绳进入爆炸区。
She had tight black braids in straight rows that ended in bright blue beads with tiny cartoon fish on them.
她的黑色辫子紧紧地排成一排，辫子的末端是亮蓝色的珠子，珠子上有小卡通鱼。
No one else noticed her.
没有其他人注意到她。
Without waiting for Brian, my operator, I decided to roll toward the girl screaming, "You are in the blast zone." The girl urinated on herself and exited the blast zone emotionally.
我没有等接线员布莱恩，就决定滚向那个尖叫着的女孩，“你在爆炸区。”女孩向自己撒尿，情绪激动地离开了爆炸区。
I was very pleased.
我很高兴。
No one was hurt.
没有人受伤。
The oily package was full of large raw beef hearts.
油腻腻的包裹里装满了大颗的生牛心。
Its owner was not located.
其主人下落不明。
Brian told his commanding officer that he'd sent me rolling toward the girl himself.
布莱恩告诉他的指挥官，他亲自让我滚向那个女孩。
After that, Brian started talking to me when no one's around.
从那以后，布莱恩开始在没人的时候和我说话。
No one's around Brian a lot.
布莱恩周围很少有人。
Brian is not popular.
布莱恩并不受欢迎。
People don't like him.
人们不喜欢他。
He isn't a cop's cop.
他不是警察中的警察。
Just my cop, which is fine.
只是我的警察，这很好。
There's a website Brian likes called "You Had One Job," which collects and creates visual evidence of mistakes made in the process of completing what appeared to be relatively simple tasks.
布莱恩喜欢一个名为“你只有一份工作”的网站，该网站收集并创建在完成看似相对简单的任务的过程中所犯错误的视觉证据。
For example, an image of a stop sign painted S-O-T-P.
例如，绘制了 S-O-T-P 的停车标志图像。
Over the image, someone had superimposed in block type "You Had One Job." I'm not sure how I feel about "You Had One Job." Once I saw a picture of another Mobile Intermediary Legate, Extreme Situations explosive ordnance disposal unit.
在图像上，有人以块状叠加了“你只有一份工作”。我不确定我对“你只有一份工作”的感受如何。有一次我看到了另一个移动中间使团的照片，极端情况爆炸物处理单位。
The unit was on its side, wheels spinning in the air.
该装置侧卧，轮子在空中旋转。
It had tipped over on a gentle slope while approaching a suspicious suitcase in a park playground.
当它接近公园操场上的一个可疑手提箱时，它在一个缓坡上翻倒了。
"You Had One Job" was written over it in block type.
上面用方块字写着“你只有一份工作”。
Then I made the mistake of reading the comments.
然后我就犯了阅读评论的错误。
They were not kind.
他们并不友善。
"Robofail," "Sucktron 5,000," "This is not the droid you're looking for." Brian says comments are just people trying to be funny.
“Robofail”、“Sucktron 5,000”、“这不是您要找的机器人。”布莱恩说评论只是人们想搞笑的。
I struggle with funny.
我与搞笑作斗争。
A call comes in.
有电话打进来。
This happens.
会发生这种情况。
Within 30 seconds, it's clear that this will be one of the three times a year on average that I get to do my job.
在 30 秒内，很明显这将是我平均每年完成工作的三次之一。
I'm rolled into my sealed container.
我被卷进我的密封容器里。
I travel in darkness with Brian in the van by my side.
我在黑暗中旅行，布莱恩在我身边的货车里。
I'm still wearing the stupid hat.
我仍然戴着那顶愚蠢的帽子。
The call is on West Pettrigrew Street.
电话地点是 West Pettrigrew Street。
My sealed container opens.
我的密封容器打开了。
Light streams in and , my eye takes 2.5 seconds to adjust.
光线射入，我的眼睛需要 2.5 秒的时间来适应。
Temperature is 91 degrees Fahrenheit, humidity is 84%.
温度为 91 华氏度，湿度为 84%。
There's a police officer, Caucasian male, lying on the sidewalk in front of a vegan bakeshop.
有一名白人男性警察躺在一家素食面包店前的人行道上。
He has a concussive head wound.
他头部受了震荡。
"Damn," says Brian.
“该死，”布莱恩说。
The officer was young.
这位军官很年轻。
27, Caucasian, a father.
27岁，白人，父亲。
The shooter is 36.
枪手现年36岁。
His name is Owen Jackson, also a father.
他的名字叫欧文·杰克逊，也是一位父亲。
He's estranged from his family, with many, many Facebook posts with political content.
他与家人关系疏远，在 Facebook 上发布了很多带有政治内容的帖子。
The suspect is upstairs in his apartment.
嫌疑人在他公寓楼上。
His apartment is full of explosives, he tells the negotiator on the phone.
他在电话中告诉谈判代表，他的公寓里装满了炸药。
Underneath his apartment is the vegan bakeshop, which is being evacuated.
他的公寓下面是一家素食面包店，目前正在疏散人员。
Next to the vegan bakeshop is a publicly subsidized dialysis center full of people with mobility problems.
素食面包店旁边是一个公共补贴的透析中心，里面挤满了行动不便的人。
It will take an hour to evacuate.
疏散需要一个小时。
Upstairs, Mr. Owen Jackson has bricked up the other entrance and the windows with cinder blocks he's filled with [INAUDIBLE].
楼上，欧文·杰克逊先生用他装满的煤渣块堵住了另一个入口和窗户[听不清]。
Sonar readings suggest bad outcomes for SWAT.
声纳读数表明特警队的结果很糟糕。
They would enter single file, the worst option .
他们会排成一列，这是最糟糕的选择。
Mr. Owen Jackson knows this.
欧文·杰克逊先生知道这一点。
He tells the negotiator he's well-positioned to fatally wound or otherwise injure several officers with a high caliber, fully automatic military weapon, then trigger his charges when other options are exhausted.
他告诉谈判代表，他处于有利位置，可以用大口径全自动军事武器致命或以其他方式伤害几名军官，然后在其他选择用尽时触发他的指控。
But there's something else we know.
但还有一些我们知道的事情。
Mr. Owen Jackson is almost certainly lying about the explosives in his apartment.
几乎可以肯定，欧文·杰克逊先生在他公寓里的爆炸物问题上撒了谎。
The dogs don't think he has any, and the dogs are usually right.
狗们不认为他有任何东西，而且狗们通常是对的。
The media trucks arrive.
媒体车来了。
Brian takes off my Carolina Panthers hat.
布莱恩摘下我的卡罗莱纳黑豹队帽子。
"OK, MILES," Brian says.
“好吧，迈尔斯，”布莱恩说。
"Showtime." I don't understand showtime.
“开演时间。”看不懂演出时间。
It's something Brian says when he's nervous.
这是布莱恩紧张时说的话。
I just want to do my job.
我只想做好我的工作。
Just out of earshot, the negotiator and Brian's commanding officer are talking to Brian.
就在听不到的地方，谈判代表和布莱恩的指挥官正在与布莱恩交谈。
Voices are raised.
声音提高了。
Meanwhile, an officer wearing a blast suit like Brian's moves in my direction.
与此同时，一名像布莱恩一样穿着防爆服的警官朝我的方向走来。
She's carrying a packet the size of a raw beef heart.
她拿着一个生牛心大小的包裹。
The packet is unwrapped, and its contents are pressed into my one articulable hand.
包裹被打开，里面的东西被压在我一只能活动的手中。
My limited learning software performs an image search and comes up with two things, "pure white composition for plastic explosive" and "a movie dad placing a baseball in his movie son's outstretched glove."
我有限的学习软件执行图像搜索并得出两件事，“塑料炸药的纯白色成分”和“电影爸爸将棒球放在他的电影儿子伸出的手套中”。
Brian approaches, kneels next to me.
布莱恩走过来，跪在我旁边。
He communicates with me over his phone in Andros, my language.
他通过手机用我的语言安德罗斯语与我交流。
Usually, he looks into my eye after typing each line.
通常，他在输入每一行后都会看着我的眼睛。
Today, he just looks at his phone.
今天，他只是看手机。
He says, "You have a new job." I don't like this very much.
他说：“你有一份新工作。”我不太喜欢这个。
He explained.
他解释道。
The new job is based on a completely new idea.
新的工作是基于一个全新的想法。
The old idea was nobody gets hurt.
旧的想法是没有人受伤。
The new idea is nobody plus one gets hurt.
新想法是无人加一人受伤。
The new idea is a person can be considered unsecured ordinance and eligible for detonation.
新想法是一个人可以被视为无担保条例并且有资格被引爆。
Specifically, Mr. Owen Jackson, 36, who murdered a police officer can be considered unsecured ordinance and eligible for detonation.
具体来说，谋杀一名警察的 36 岁欧文·杰克逊先生可以被视为无保障法令，有资格被引爆。
It takes me 53 seconds to understand the new idea.
我花了 53 秒才理解这个新想法。
That's a long time for my kind.
对于我这种人来说，这已经是很长一段时间了。
I think I mentioned before how much I like my job because it's simple, because I come between the unsecured ordinance and the people, because there are three scenarios, and people get hurt in none of them.
我想我之前提到过我多么喜欢我的工作，因为它很简单，因为我处于无保障的法令和人民之间，因为存在三种情况，而人们在任何一种情况下都不会受伤。
I repeat all of this to Brian in case he's forgotten.
我向布莱恩重复了这一切，以防他忘记。
"I don't like this either," says Brian.
“我也不喜欢这个，”布莱恩说。
"But they can't get those people out of the kidney clinic in time." I asked to hear from the ordinance.
“但他们无法及时将那些人带出肾脏诊所。”我要求听取该法令的意见。
I want to confirm that it's ordinance.
我想确认一下这是法令。
Brian resists this.
布莱恩对此表示抵制。
"I insist." This is new, insisting, and it works.
“我坚持。”这是新的、坚持的、有效的。
Brian takes a very deep breath , deeper than seems necessary, and feeds the negotiators channel into my Andros module.
Brian 深深地吸了一口气，比看起来必要的更深，然后将谈判者频道输入我的 Andros 模块。
I'm tuning in at the end of a long conversation.
我正在一次漫长的谈话结束时收听。
The negotiator is trying to convince the ordinance of the value of its own life.
谈判者试图说服法令相信自己生命的价值。
The ordinance finds this funny and recites a long list of names.
该法令觉得这很有趣，并列举了一长串名字。
Castile, Scott, Sterling, Garner.
卡斯蒂利亚、斯科特、斯特林、加纳。
They keep coming.
他们不断地来。
I cross-reference them with names of civilians whose lives have ended during engagements with officers.
我将它们与在与军官的交战中丧生的平民的名字进行交叉引用。
There's context here.
这里有上下文。
Terabytes of it.
太字节了。
I struggle with context.
我与上下文作斗争。
Brian says, "MILES, you're not going to solve this today." I archive the context for later.
布莱恩说：“迈尔斯，你今天解决不了这个问题。”我将上下文存档以备后用。
I decide I want to do my job, even if it's not the same job, so I go up the steps into the building.
我决定做我的工作，即使这不是同一份工作，所以我走上台阶进入大楼。
The steps are old, shallow, and difficult.
台阶又老又浅又困难。
Brian gives me a thumbs up from the fall back barricade as I round the corner and move down the hallway toward the door.
当我绕过拐角，沿着走廊朝门口走去时，布莱恩在后备路障上向我竖起了大拇指。
Ropes of colloidal explosive have already been molded around the hinges of the door.
门铰链周围已经模制了胶体炸药绳。
The charges blow.
指控爆炸。
The door falls down.
门掉了下来。
Ah, a 60-gram lead carbine round fired from a semi-automatic rifle has lodged itself in my right anterior prehensile tread.
啊，半自动步枪发射的 60 克铅卡宾枪子弹卡在了我的右前抓握踏板中。
I raise the damaged tread, take it offline, keep going.
我抬起损坏的胎面，将其脱机，继续前进。
I know the loss of this tread will make descending the front stairs later more difficult and increase the likelihood of embarrassing images of me ending up on the internet.
我知道失去这个踏板将使以后下前楼梯变得更加困难，并增加我在互联网上出现令人尴尬的照片的可能性。
More rounds are striking my cowling, demanding my attention.
更多的子弹击中了我的整流罩，需要我的注意。
I call out, "You are in the blast zone." The unsecured ordinance answers, "No shit." I realize this is funny, but I'm not sure at whose expense.
我喊道：“你在爆炸区。”无担保法令的回答是：“不。”我意识到这很有趣，但我不确定这是谁的损失。
I move toward the unsecured ordinance, hand outstretched.
我向无担保条例走去，伸出手。
Brian is with me, seeing through my one eye and saying, it's all right, MILES, it's all right, in Andros, and also playing our favorite song, "Solsbury Hill," by Peter Gabriel.
布莱恩和我在一起，用一只眼睛看着我说，没关系，迈尔斯，没关系，在安德罗斯，同时还播放着我们最喜欢的歌曲，彼得·加布里埃尔的《索尔斯伯里山》。
The eyes of the ordinance are unseeable under goggles that say Carolina Speedway, and only his nose is visible through a makeshift balaklava he has made out of a dark blue Duke three-peat commemorative hand towel.
在写着“卡罗莱纳赛道”字样的护目镜下，看不见这位法令的眼睛，透过他用深蓝色杜克三连冠纪念手巾制作的临时巴拉克拉瓦，只能看到他的鼻子。
I extend my arm the full 28 inches in the direction of the ordinance.
我按照法令的方向将手臂伸出了整整 28 英寸。
This is when the ordinance sees what I'm offering him.
这是法令看到我向他提供的东西的时候。
He takes off his Duke three-peat balaklava.
他脱下了杜克三连冠巴拉克拉瓦。
I can see his eyes now.
我现在可以看到他的眼睛了。
"Solsbury Hill" plays very loudly in my head.
《索尔斯伯里山》在我脑海中响起，声音很大。
Gunfire is concentrated on my ventral side, but misses my eye, and the ordinance approaches.
枪声集中在我的腹侧，但没有击中我的眼睛，法令逼近了。
He's trying to diffuse the pure white composition four.
他试图扩散纯白色的构图四。
And while I doubt his ability to do so, I decide that nine inches from a human skull is a very good range to detonate it, so I send 3.5 volts through the detonator.
虽然我怀疑他是否有能力这样做，但我认为距离人类头骨 9 英寸是引爆它的最佳范围，因此我通过雷管发送 3.5 伏电压。
My hand and arm cease to exist below joint 1A.
我的手和手臂在关节 1A 以下不再存在。
Other damage to me is superficial.
其他对我的伤害都是表面的。
The ordinance has disarmed.
该法令已解除武装。
The pure white composition four detonated with force sufficient to collapse large portions of the ordinance's vertical skull plate and nasomaxillary suture through Brodmann areas nine, 10, 11, 44, 45, and 47.
纯白色组合物 4 的爆炸威力足以使该法令的垂直颅骨板和鼻上颌缝的大部分塌陷，穿过布罗德曼区域 9、10、11、44、45 和 47。
Life on an insignificant level continues for 73 additional seconds.
微不足道的生命还会持续 73 秒。
That's a long time for my kind.
对于我这种人来说，这已经是很长一段时间了。
I now have time to review the archived context.
我现在有时间查看存档的上下文。
It's the same context Brian and his commanding officer used to decide that Mr. Owen Jackson was unsecured ordinance and eligible for detonation.
布莱恩和他的指挥官也是在同样的背景下决定欧文·杰克逊先生是无担保法令并有资格进行引爆。
I can't come to the same conclusion.
我无法得出同样的结论。
I'm trying.
我想。
No. I try again.
不，我再试一次。
Still no. I notice I'm being steered out of the room.
还是不行。我注意到我被带出了房间。
I'm passing the detonated ordinance that is, or was, Mr. Owen Jackson.
我正在通过的是欧文·杰克逊先生的引爆法令。
I keep my eye on it.
我一直关注着它。
Brian, watching with me, seeing what I'm seeing, tries to turn my eye away.
布莱恩和我一起观看，看到了我所看到的，试图将我的目光移开。
But I insist.
但我坚持。
I'm having some trouble keeping Mr. Owen Jackson reclassified as unsecured ordinance.
我在将欧文·杰克逊先生重新归类为无担保法令时遇到了一些麻烦。
There's a whirring sound.
有呼呼的声音。
It's me.
这就是我。
My processor is using two of my three internal fans to cool itself because it's struggling.
我的处理器正在使用三个内部风扇中的两个来自行冷却，因为它正在挣扎。
It's struggling because a person is not ordinance, and a person is now ordinance.
它正在挣扎，因为一个人不是法令，而一个人现在是法令。
I see now.
我现在明白了。
I have to make things simple.
我必须让事情变得简单。
And so I delete all images of the unsecured ordinance.
所以我删除了所有不安全法令的图像。
I delete all context.
我删除所有上下文。
I let Brian turn my eye away.
我让布莱恩把目光移开。
I leave the room.
我离开房间。
I have only limited learning and a very imprecise reading of social emotional cues, but I believe the atmosphere outside can be described as festive, and the news cameras barely notice when I fall down the stairs on my way out.
我的学识有限，对社会情感线索的解读也很不精确，但我相信外面的气氛可以用喜庆来形容，当我出门时从楼梯上摔下来时，新闻摄像机几乎没有注意到。
Back in the breakroom, I'm parked beside the coffee machine.
回到休息室，我把车停在咖啡机旁边。
I'm not wearing my hat.
我没戴帽子。
Brian has my hat.
布莱恩有我的帽子。
Brian isn't here.
布莱恩不在这里。
Brian has gone home.
布莱恩已经回家了。
Brian is home for two weeks.
布莱恩在家待了两周。
"But you're still here, MILES," an officer says.
“但你还在这里，迈尔斯，”一名警官说道。
Yes, I'm still here.
是的，我还在这里。
I'm designed to be superficially damaged.
我生来就注定会受到表面损伤。
I wait beside the coffee machine.
我在咖啡机旁边等着。
I wait for the next call.
我等待下一个电话。
My new arm is outstretched.
我的新手臂已经伸出来了。
I could use a high five.
我可以用高五。
Jeremey Shamos, reading a story by Scott Brown.
杰里米·沙莫斯正在阅读斯科特·布朗的故事。
Our program produced today by Neil Drumming.
我们今天的节目由尼尔·鼓明制作。
The rest of our production staff, Susan Burton, Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Karen Duffin, Amanda [INAUDIBLE], Stephanie Foo, Chana Joff-Walt, David Kestenbaum, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar Robyn Semien, Matt Tierney, and Nancy Updike.
我们的其他制作人员：Susan Burton、Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Karen Duffin、Amanda [听不清]、Stephanie Foo、Chana Joff-Walt、David Kestenbaum、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar Robyn Semien、Matt Tierney 和 Nancy Updike。
Research help today from Christopher [INAUDIBLE].
今天克里斯托弗 [听不清] 提供了研究帮助。
Music help from [?
音乐帮助来自 [?
Damien Grave.
达米安·格雷夫.
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[ACKNOWLEDGMENTS] Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
[致谢] 我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
"This American Life" is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always Joe, to our program co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢乔，我们的项目联合创始人托里·马拉蒂亚先生。
Whenever he and I go to Medieval Times to see the jousting, he always throws a rose to the guy on the big horse.
每当我和他去中世纪看马术比赛时，他总是向骑大马上的家伙扔一朵玫瑰花。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of "This American Life."
下周将带来更多“美国生活”的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。