597: One Last Thing Before I Go - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass There's this moment during the Cuban Missile Crisis that's so incredible, it doesn't sound real.
序言 Ira Glass 古巴导弹危机期间的这一时刻是如此令人难以置信，听起来并不真实。
But we have confirmed this with people who were there.
但我们已经向在场的人证实了这一点。
Victor Gilinsky wrote about this for the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.
维克多·吉林斯基（Victor Gilinsky）在《原子科学家公报》上撰文介绍了这一点。
He said, basically, nuclear war seemed so imminent that the underground headquarters of the Strategic Air Command in Nebraska went into lock down.
他说，基本上，核战争似乎迫在眉睫，以至于内布拉斯加州战略空军司令部的地下总部被封锁。
Nobody was allowed to enter or leave.
没有人被允许进入或离开。
He said the General in charge told the staff he expected an order to launch nuclear missiles any moment, and also expected that they would all die from a Soviet counterattack.
他说，负责的将军告诉参谋，他预计随时都会收到发射核导弹的命令，并预计他们都会死于苏联的反击。
And everybody was allowed to make one phone call home to their family.
每个人都可以给家人打一个电话。
But in that call, they were not allowed to say why they were calling.
但在那次通话中，他们不被允许说出打电话的原因。
What do you say in that situation?
在这种情况下你会说什么？
Gilinsky writes, "The conversations were about scraped kids' knees and sick dogs.
吉林斯基写道：“谈话内容是关于孩子擦伤的膝盖和生病的狗。
It was a scene straight out of Dr. Strangelove ." And of course, right?
这简直就是《奇爱博士》中的场景。”当然，对吧？
What can words do when you're staring death in the face?
当你面对死亡时，言语能起什么作用？
Well, today on our program, we have two stories where ordinary people rise to this exact task.
好吧，今天在我们的节目中，我们有两个普通人完成这项任务的故事。
They see death standing there, and they open their mouths.
他们看到死亡站在那里，他们张开嘴。
And truly amazing things happen.
真正令人惊奇的事情发生了。
We have two stories for you today.
今天我们给大家讲两个故事。
And to say anything else about these stories, I think, would be a spoiler.
我认为，对这些故事说任何其他话都会剧透。
Also, I want to give every possible second to these stories.
另外，我想把每一秒的时间都花在这些故事上。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And let's just get to it with the first act of our show.
让我们从节目的第一幕开始吧。
So remember that tsunami that hit Japan five years ago, March 2011?
还记得五年前（即 2011 年 3 月）袭击日本的海啸吗？
Giant black waves more than 30-feet tall hit Japan.
30多英尺高的巨大黑色巨浪袭击了日本。
[JAPANESE PEOPLE YELLING] A guy in a little town called Otsuchi shot this video.
[日本人大喊] 一个名叫大槌的小镇上的人拍摄了这段视频。
You can hear him yelling.
你可以听到他大喊大叫。
[JAPANESE PEOPLE YELLING] All the houses are washing away.
[日本人大喊]所有的房子都被冲走了。
Otsuchi had been there for 100 years.
大槌已经在那里工作了 100 年。
In 30 minutes, it was gone-- almost totally flattened.
30 分钟后，它就消失了——几乎完全被夷为平地。
The tsunami and the earthquake that went with it killed six times more people than died in 9/11-- over 19,000 people.
海啸和随之而来的地震造成的死亡人数是 9/11 事件死亡人数的六倍——超过 19,000 人。
Another 2,500 are still missing.
另有 2,500 人仍下落不明。
And in the aftermath, of course, families struggled to figure out how they were going to move forward without the people they loved.
当然，事后，家人都在努力弄清楚，如果没有他们所爱的人，他们将如何继续前进。
And in that town of Otsuchi, it lead to this new-- I don't know, ritual is not exactly the right word for this.
在大槌镇，它导致了这种新的——我不知道，仪式这个词并不完全正确。
But it's something close to that-- this thing that people invented to stay connected to the dead.
但这与此相近——人们发明这个东西是为了与死者保持联系。
One of our producers, Miki Meek, has family in Japan.
我们的制作人之一 Miki Meek 在日本有家人。
And she grew up going back and forth between there and here.
她从小就在这儿和这儿之间来回长大。
And she watched this documentary about this thing people are doing Otsuchi, on the Japanese news channel, NHK, and got permission for us to play you some excerpts.
她在日本新闻频道 NHK 上观看了一部有关大槌人们正在做的事情的纪录片，并获得我们的许可向您播放一些摘录。
Here's Miki.
这是米基。
Of all the areas in Japan affected by that tsunami, Otsuchi has one of the highest numbers of missing people-- 421.
在日本受海啸影响的所有地区中，大槌市是失踪人数最多的地区之一，达到 421 人。
Today, it's still partly in ruins and partly a construction site, as they try to rebuild the town on higher ground.
如今，它仍然部分是废墟，部分是建筑工地，因为他们试图在地势较高的地方重建城镇。
But a year before that tsunami happened, this guy named Itaru Sasaki-- he was already dealing with a loss.
但在海啸发生前一年，这个名叫佐佐木Itaru的人——他已经在承受损失了。
His cousin had just died.
他的表弟刚刚去世。
And Itaru was having a hard time figuring out how to talk about it.
Itaru 很难弄清楚如何谈论它。
So he did something pretty ingenious.
所以他做了一件非常巧妙的事情。
He went out and bought an old-fashioned phone booth and stuck it in his garden.
他出去买了一个老式电话亭，把它插在自家花园里。
It looks like an old English-style one.
它看起来像一种古老的英式风格。
It's square and painted white, and has these glass window panes.
它是方形的，漆成白色，并有这些玻璃窗板。
Inside is a black rotary phone, resting on a wood shelf.
里面是一个黑色的旋转电话，放在木架子上。
This phone connected to nowhere.
此电话无法连接。
It didn't work at all.
它根本不起作用。
But that didn't matter to Itaru.
但这对伊塔鲁来说并不重要。
He just needed a place where he felt like he could talk to his cousin, a place where he could air out his grief.
他只是需要一个他觉得可以和表弟交谈的地方，一个可以发泄悲伤的地方。
And so putting an old phone booth in his garden, which sits on this little windy hill overlooking the Pacific Ocean, it felt like a perfect solution.
因此，在他的花园里放置一个旧电话亭，花园坐落在这座俯瞰太平洋的多风小山上，感觉像是一个完美的解决方案。
He's saying, because my thoughts could not be relayed over a regular phone line, I wanted them to be carried on the wind.
他说，因为我的想法无法通过普通电话线传达，所以我希望它们能随风飘扬。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek So I named it the wind telephone-- kaze no denwa.
[日语] Miki Meek 所以我将它命名为风电话——kaze no denwa。
The idea of keeping up a relationship with the dead is not such a strange one in Japan.
在日本，与死者保持联系的想法并不奇怪。
The line between our world and their world is thin.
我们的世界和他们的世界之间的界限很窄。
Lots of families keep a Buddhist altar for their dead relatives in the living room.
许多家庭在客厅里为死去的亲人摆放佛坛。
My uncle has one for our family.
我叔叔为我们家准备了一个。
There are photos on a little platform.
一个小平台上有照片。
And every day, he leaves fresh fruit and rice for them, lights incense, and rings a bell.
每天，他都会给他们留下新鲜的水果和大米，烧香，摇铃。
It's a way to stay in touch, to let them know that they're still a big part of our family.
这是保持联系的一种方式，让他们知道他们仍然是我们家庭的重要组成部分。
So after the tsunami and earthquake happened, word got out about Itaru's special wind telephone-- that he was using it as another way to stay connected to the dead.
因此，海啸和地震发生后，关于 Itaru 的特殊风力电话的消息传开了——他用它作为与死者保持联系的另一种方式。
Soon, people started showing up randomly on his property, and walking right into the phone booth.
很快，人们开始随机出现在他的财产上，并径直走进电话亭。
This has been going on for five years now.
这种情况已经持续五年了。
Itaru estimates that thousands of people from all over Japan have come to use his phone.
Itaru 估计来自日本各地的数千人来使用他的手机。
A TV station asked Itaru, and the people who come to use his phone, if they could videotape their calls from a distance, and put an audio recorder in the phone booth.
一家电视台询问 Itaru 以及前来使用他电话的人们是否可以远距离录制通话，并在电话亭安装录音机。
They wanted to get a sense of how people are still grieving.
他们想了解人们仍然处于悲伤之中。
I watched their documentary after the fifth anniversary of the tsunami back in March.
我在三月份海啸五周年纪念日后观看了他们的纪录片。
That whole week, all of the news programs in Japan were airing memorial programs.
整整一周，日本所有的新闻节目都在播出纪念节目。
But I found the calls in this particular program remarkable and moving, for just how simple they were.
但我发现这个特定程序中的调用非常简单且令人感动。
One woman from Otsuchi, named Sachiko Okawa, showed up one afternoon.
一天下午，一位来自大槌市、名叫大川幸子的女士出现了。
She's 71-years-old, and lost her husband in the tsunami.
她今年 71 岁，在海啸中失去了丈夫。
She regularly brings her two young grandsons to the phone booth.
她经常带着两个年幼的孙子去电话亭。
And you can tell, by how casually they talk to him on the phone.
从他们在电话中与他交谈的轻松程度就可以看出。
They squish into the phone booth with their grandma, wearing matching blue-and-black-striped shirts.
他们和奶奶一起挤进电话亭，穿着配套的蓝黑条纹衬衫。
Sachiko starts the call by picking up the receiver and saying hello.
幸子拿起听筒打招呼开始通话。
Moshi moshi.
莫西莫西。
Oldest Grandson Moshi, moshi.
长孙莫西，莫西。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I'll be in fourth grade next semester.
[日语] Miki Meek 下学期我将上四年级。
Wasn't that fast?
那不是很快吗？
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Daina, my younger brother, he'll be in second grade next year.
[日语] Miki Meek Daina，我的弟弟，他明年将上二年级。
Then Sachiko corrects him.
然后幸子纠正了他。
She says, no, Daina will be in second grade this year, not next.
她说，不，戴娜今年将上二年级，而不是明年。
A lot of calls were just like this, straightforward updates about life.
很多电话都是这样，直接更新生活。
The kind of a quick highlights reel you might give to any family member you were catching up with on the phone.
您可以向通过电话联系的任何家庭成员提供快速的精彩片段。
The boy, he then tells his grandpa--
男孩然后告诉他的爷爷——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Grandma's fine too.
[日语] Miki Meek 奶奶也很好。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I'm giving the phone to Daina now.
[日语] Miki Meek 我现在把手机交给 Daina。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Daina, his little brother, grabs the phone.
[日语] 他的弟弟 Miki Meek Daina 抓起了电话。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Grandpa, I finished all my homework.
[日语] Miki Meek 爷爷，我完成了所有作业。
Sachiko urges him to keep talking.
幸子催促他继续说下去。
He says, everyone is doing fine.
他说，大家都过得很好。
Then he hangs up.
然后他就挂断了电话。
They all say goodbye.
他们都说了再见。
As they're walking out of the booth, Daina says--
当他们走出展位时，戴娜说——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Maybe Grandpa will say he heard us.
[日语] Miki Meek 也许爷爷会说他听到了我们的声音。
In another call, a woman in a puffy winter jacket with a fur-lined hood shows up at the booth by herself.
在另一个电话中，一位穿着蓬松冬季夹克、带毛皮衬里兜帽的女士独自出现在展位上。
Her name is Kikue Hirano, and she's 66.
她的名字叫平野菊惠，今年 66 岁。
She used to live in Otsuchi.
她以前住在大槌市。
But she moved away after she lost her house and her husband in the tsunami.
但在海啸中失去了房子和丈夫后，她搬走了。
Her husband was a deep-sea fisherman.
她的丈夫是一名深海渔民。
His name was Miyoji, and they used to talk and drink sake together at night.
他的名字叫美代司，他们常常在晚上一起聊天、喝酒。
Now Kikue lives alone, about 50 miles away.
现在 Kikue 独自一人住在大约 50 英里外的地方。
But sometimes Kikue finds herself driving back to Otsuchi, into this booth.
但有时菊惠发现自己开车回到大槌，进入这个摊位。
I watched her do this thing that a lot of callers seem to do.
我看到她做了很多来电者似乎都会做的事情。
You hear Kikue actually dialing the rotary phone--
你听到 Kikue 实际上正在拨打转盘电话——
[KIKUE HUMS] Miki Meek 4, 2, 5, 7, 4, 4.
[KIKUE HUMS] 米基·米克 4, 2, 5, 7, 4, 4。
She's dialing the phone number for her old house in Otsuchi, the last place she knew to reach her husband.
她正在拨打位于大槌市的老房子的电话号码，这是她最后联系到丈夫的地方。
Then Kikue just stands in the booth in silence, holding the phone to her ear.
然后菊惠就静静地站在电话亭里，把电话放在耳边。
Sometimes she fidgets around and tilts her head up, and concentrates on the ceiling, the same way I do when I want to cry but I'm trying hard not to.
有时她会坐立不安，抬起头，把注意力集中在天花板上，就像我想哭但又努力不哭时的做法一样。
It doesn't work.
这不起作用。
Kikue brushes some tears off her face.
菊惠擦掉脸上的泪水。
Eventually, she hangs up.
最终，她挂断了电话。
She lingers in the booth a little longer, hands clasped together in front of her, staring at the phone booth floor.
她在电话亭里逗留了一会儿，双手在身前合十，盯着电话亭的地板。
She walks out.
她走了出去。
One pattern that the owner of the phone booth, Itaru, has noticed over the years is that more men than women come to use it.
多年来，电话亭老板 Itaru 注意到的一个现象是，使用电话亭的男性多于女性。
Not surprisingly, this is not a demographic that's known for sharing their feelings, especially the older farmers.
毫不奇怪，这群人并不以分享自己的感受而闻名，尤其是年长的农民。
They already have a reputation for not talking much.
他们已经以不爱说话而闻名。
In one of the phone calls recorded in winter, a man with gray hair and a little towel hanging around his neck walks into the garden.
在冬天录制的一个电话中，一名头发花白、脖子上挂着一条小毛巾的男子走进花园。
This kind of towel is part of the uniform of Japanese farmers.
这种毛巾是日本农民制服的一部分。
They use them to wipe away sweat and clean their hands.
他们用它们擦汗、清洁双手。
This man opens the telephone booth door.
这个人打开电话亭的门。
And under his breath, you hear him say, huh, so this is the wind telephone?
你听到他低声说，嗯，所以这是风电话？
This appears to be his very first visit to the phone booth.
这似乎是他第一次来到电话亭。
He lost his oldest son in the tsunami.
他在海啸中失去了大儿子。
His son's name was Nobuyuki.
他儿子的名字叫伸行。
He also lost his house, and had to move into temporary housing with his wife.
他还失去了房子，不得不和妻子一起搬进临时住所。
And recently, she got sick and also passed away.
最近，她生病了，也去世了。
He calls her okaasan.
他称她为“okaasan”。
It means "mom" in Japanese.
在日语中是“妈妈”的意思。
It's what everyone in the family calls the female head of the house, even the husband.
这就是家里每个人都称的女一家之主，甚至是丈夫。
It's a very intimate, loving term.
这是一个非常亲密、充满爱意的词语。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Sorry to ask this, but take care of her, and your grandma and grandpa too.
[日语] Miki Meek 很抱歉问这个问题，但请照顾好她，还有你的奶奶和爷爷。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I'll come again, OK?
[日语] Miki Meek 我会再来的，好吗？
He uses the towel around his neck to wipe his eyes.
他用脖子上的毛巾擦眼睛。
One of the things that makes these calls so poignant to me is all the understated ways that people are actually saying, I love you, and I miss you.
这些电话让我如此心酸的原因之一是，人们实际上都在用低调的方式说：我爱你，我想念你。
I'd never say something so direct like that in Japanese.
我从来不会用日语说这么直接的话。
It's just not done.
只是还没有完成。
I've only seen people say it in the soap operas.
我只在肥皂剧里见过人们这么说。
[JAPANESE].
[日本人]。
Even saying that right now, it feels weird.
即使现在这么说，也感觉很奇怪。
I've never said that to my mom or my grandparents.
我从来没有对我的妈妈或祖父母说过这样的话。
[DOOR OPENS, CLOSES] [ROTARY PHONE DIALING]
[门打开、关闭] [旋转电话拨号]
Take this call.
接听这个电话。
It's winter.
现在是冬天。
The phone booth is surrounded by snow.
电话亭被雪包围了。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Where are you?
[日语] Miki Meek 你在哪里？
He's an older man wearing a baseball cap.
他是一位戴着棒球帽的老人。
He also calls his wife "mom." His wife, daughter, and mother, they all went missing in the tsunami.
他还称他的妻子为“妈妈”。他的妻子、女儿和母亲都在海啸中失踪了。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek It's so cold.
[日语] Miki Meek 天气好冷。
But you're not getting cold, are you?
但你并没有冷，是吗？
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Are grandma and our daughter, Miyuki, with you too?
[日语] Miki Meek 奶奶和我们的女儿 Miyuki 也和你在一起吗？
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Be found soon.
[日语] Miki Meek 很快就能找到。
Everyone is waiting for you.
每个人都在等你。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I'll build the house in the same place.
[日语] Miki Meek 我会在同一个地方建造房子。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Eat something-- anything.
[日语] Miki Meek 吃点东西——任何东西。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Just be alive, somewhere, anywhere.
[日语] Miki Meek 只要活着，无论在哪里，在哪里。
He never says I love you directly.
他从不直接说我爱你。
Real feelings are communicated through small gestures, especially ones of concern.
真实的感受是通过微小的动作，尤其是关心的动作来传达的。
Like when he asked his wife, are you staying warm?
就像他问妻子，你保暖吗？
Are you eating?
你在吃饭吗？
And then promising, I'll build a house for us.
然后我承诺，我会为我们建造一座房子。
These are total heartfelt declarations of love.
这些都是衷心的爱的宣言。
For other men, the phone booth is a place where they can finally say their complicated feelings out loud.
对于其他男人来说，电话亭是他们终于可以大声说出复杂心情的地方。
They can voice their regrets.
他们可以表达自己的遗憾。
Anyone who's had someone close to them die knows this feeling.
任何一个亲人去世的人都知道这种感觉。
Like, I've kept having the same one-way conversation with my dad in my head, ever since he passed away last year.
就像，自从我父亲去年去世以来，我脑子里一直在和他进行同样的单向对话。
I just keep telling him all the situations where I wish I had been kinder, more patient.
我只是不断地告诉他所有我希望自己表现得更友善、更有耐心的情况。
One call I watched was from a young father, with rectangle glasses and a long black jacket.
我看到一个电话是一位年轻的父亲打来的，他戴着长方形眼镜，穿着黑色长夹克。
He lost his family-- both parents, his wife-- her name was Mine-- and one-year-old son, named Issei.
他失去了家人——父母双方、妻子——她的名字叫我——以及一岁的儿子，名叫一诚。
It's already been five years since the disaster.
距离那场灾难已经过去五年了。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek If this voice reaches you, please listen.
[日语] Miki Meek 如果您听到这个声音，请听。
(CRYING) [JAPANESE] Miki Meek Sometimes I don't know what I'm living for.
（哭泣）[日语] Miki Meek 有时候我不知道自己为什么而活。
(CRYING) Issei, [JAPANESE] Miki Meek Issei, please let me hear you call me Papa.
（哭泣）Issei，[日语] Miki Meek Issei，请让我听到你叫我爸爸。
(CRYING) Papa, [JAPANESE] Miki Meek Even though I built a new house--
（哭泣）爸爸，[日语] Miki Meek 即使我盖了一座新房子——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek --without all of you, it's meaningless.
[日语] Miki Meek——没有你们，就没有意义。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I want to hear your reply, but I can't hear anything.
[日语] Miki Meek 我想听听你的回复，但我什么也听不到。
[EXHALE] [SNIFFLE] [PHONE CLICKS UPON HANG UP]
[呼气] [抽吸] [挂断电话时的咔嗒声]
He hangs up the phone, takes off his glasses, and covers his eyes with his hands.
他挂断电话，摘下眼镜，用手捂住眼睛。
(WHISPERING) [JAPANESE] Miki Meek I'm sorry.
（低语）[日语] Miki Meek 对不起。
(WHISPERING) [JAPANESE] Miki Meek I'm so sorry I couldn't save you.
（低语）[日语] Miki Meek 很抱歉我没能救你。
There's a couple phrases I heard callers tell the dead, again and again.
我听到打电话的人一遍又一遍地告诉死者一些短语。
Shinpai shina, don't worry about us.
新派支那，别担心我们。
And ganbatteiru, which basically means, I'm doing my very best.
ganbatteiru，基本上意味着，我正在尽力而为。
I'm enduring.
我在忍。
In Japan, ganbatteiru-- it's a catchall slogan for slogging through life's many challenges, no matter how tiny or big.
在日本，“ganbatteiru”是一个包罗万象的口号，表示努力克服生活中的诸多挑战，无论大小。
From trying to pass a test at school, to grieving, you hear it all the time for everything.
从试图在学校通过考试，到悲伤，你总是会听到这样的声音。
In the phone booth, ganbatteiru, and shinpai shina-- these are key phrases to reassure the dead that the living, the people left behind, they're doing OK, even if they're not.
在电话亭里，“ganbatteiru”和“shinpai shina”——这些是让死者放心的关键词，让生者、留下来的人知道，他们过得很好，即使他们做得不好。
People don't want to worry or burden their loved ones, even dead loved ones.
人们不想让亲人担心或增加负担，甚至是死去的亲人。
Because most Japanese are Buddhist, and generally believe that when someone dies, they're not suddenly relieved of all their earthly concerns.
因为大多数日本人都是佛教徒，并且普遍认为，当有人去世时，他们不会突然摆脱所有尘世的担忧。
They're not automatically in heaven, happy and carefree.
他们不会自动进入天堂，快乐而无忧无虑。
Many people believe that if the dead see a family member suffering, they can't let go of their earthly life.
许多人相信，如果死者看到家人受苦，他们就无法放弃尘世的生活。
They hesitate to cross to the other side, and end up stuck in a no-man's land.
他们犹豫是否要穿越到另一边，最终陷入了无人区。
I heard these reassurances in a call from a 15-year-old kid named Ren Kozaki, to his dad.
我从一个名叫小崎仁 (Ren Kozaki) 的 15 岁孩子给他父亲的电话中听到了这些保证。
He arrived at the phone booth after spending four hours on public transportation by himself.
他独自乘坐公共交通工具四个小时后到达了电话亭。
Ren lives in a city much farther north that wasn't affected as much by the tsunami.
任住在一个更靠北的城市，那里没有受到海啸的影响。
But his dad was a truck driver who drove all over Japan.
但他的父亲是一名卡车司机，开遍了日本各地。
And in a last-minute schedule change, he got sent on a route that took him along the coast when the tsunami hit.
在最后一刻更改了日程安排，他被安排走一条在海啸袭来时沿着海岸行驶的路线。
He's been missing ever since.
从那以后他就失踪了。
Ren went into the phone booth wearing a red backpack.
任正非背着红色背包走进电话亭。
[DOOR OPENS] And what he does in his call-- you hear him signaling to his dad that it's OK.
[门打开] 他在电话里做了什么——你听到他向他爸爸示意没关系。
He should keep moving on into the after world.
他应该继续前进，进入死后的世界。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek The four of us are doing fine.
[日语] Miki Meek 我们四个人都过得很好。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek You don't need to worry about us.
[日语] Miki Meek 你不用担心我们。
Shinpai shina.
新派支那。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Dad, are you doing OK?
[日语] Miki Meek 爸爸，你还好吗？
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I do have one question I want to ask you.
[日语] Miki Meek 我有一个问题想问你。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Why did you die?
[日语] Miki Meek 你为什么死？
Why did it have to be you, dad?
为什么一定是你，爸爸？
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I've always wondered--
[日语] Miki Meek 我一直想知道——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Why am I the only one who is different from everyone else?
[日语] Miki Meek 为什么我是唯一一个与其他人不同的人？
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Anyways, please be found quickly.
[日语] Miki Meek 无论如何，请尽快找到。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek They never found anything of you.
[日语] Miki Meek 他们从来没有找到你的任何信息。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I wanted to talk with you again.
[日语] Miki Meek 我想再次和你说话。
Ren left the booth.
雷恩离开了摊位。
In late February, he came back with his entire family-- his mom, younger brother, and sister.
二月底，他带着全家回来了——他的妈妈、弟弟和妹妹。
They all drove down to Otsuchi together.
他们一起开车前往大槌。
And when they got to the phone booth, at first, they kind of awkwardly hung out in front of it.
当他们到达电话亭时，一开始他们有点尴尬地在电话亭前闲逛。
So to break the ice, Ren walks in and places the first call to their dad.
为了打破僵局，任走进来，第一个给他们的父亲打电话。
He tells him--
他告诉他——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I brought everyone with me today.
[日语] Miki Meek 今天我带了大家一起来。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Bye.
[日语] Miki Meek 再见。
When Ren walks out, his family laughs.
当任走出去时，他的家人都笑了。
They say--
他们说——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek It was just a quick report to Dad, that I brought everyone with me today.
[日语] Miki Meek 这只是向爸爸的一个快速报告，我今天带了大家一起来。
Next up are Ren's little brother and sister, who are 12 and 14 years old.
接下来是任的弟弟妹妹，他们分别是 12 岁和 14 岁。
[DOOR OPENS, CLOSES] They go into the booth together.
[门打开，关闭]他们一起走进展位。
And the sister is talking and laughing nervously.
而妹妹则紧张地有说有笑。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek What am I supposed to say?
[日语] Miki Meek 我该说什么？
What should I tell them?
我应该告诉他们什么？
Wait, wait, don't leave me alone in here.
等等，等等，别把我一个人留在这里。
The sister picks up the phone.
姐姐接起了电话。
And let me just say, the mom told the film crew that this is a girl who has not said a single word about her dad to anyone since he went missing five years ago.
我只想说，妈妈告诉摄制组，自从五年前父亲失踪以来，这个女孩就没有对任何人说过任何关于她父亲的事。
So she picks up the phone and starts to cry.
于是她拿起电话开始哭泣。
[SOBBING] [JAPANESE] Miki Meek She asks her brother again, when should I talk to him about?
[抽泣] [日语] Miki Meek 她再次问她哥哥，我什么时候应该和他谈谈？
Her little brother's name is Riku, and he tells her--
她弟弟的名字叫 Riku，他告诉她——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Say what you wanted to tell him.
[日语] Miki Meek 说出你想告诉他的话。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Are you trying to make me laugh, Riku?
[日语] Miki Meek Riku，你是想让我笑吗？
Riku says--
里库说——
Then she finally starts talking to her dad.
然后她终于开始和她爸爸说话。
The conversation is all over the place, and she's crying so hard, she can barely talk.
谈话到处都是，她哭得很厉害，几乎说不出话来。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Dad, I'm so sorry I always used to say you were stinky.
[日语] Miki Meek 爸爸，很抱歉我总是说你很臭。
Miki Meek What happen to your promise to buy me a violin?
米基·米克 你答应给我买一把小提琴的事怎么样了？
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Now I'll have to buy one myself.
[日语] Miki Meek 现在我得自己买一个了。
Her little brother, who sticks close to her, he encourages her to keep going.
她的弟弟紧贴着她，鼓励她继续前进。
He says--
他说——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek What else?
[日语] Miki Meek 还有什么？
So she tells her dad--
于是她告诉她爸爸——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I started tennis in junior high school.
[日语] Miki Meek 我从初中开始打网球。
I'm not in the top eight.
我没进前八。
I want to be in the top eight our last tournament.
我想在我们上一场比赛中进入前八名。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Please cheer for me.
[日语] Miki Meek 请为我加油。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek I got hooked on this boy band, the Johnnys, when I was in my first year of junior high.
[日语] Miki Meek 当我上初中一年级时，我迷上了这个男孩乐队 Johnnys。
I'm still hooked.
我仍然着迷。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek --goodbye.
[日语] Miki Meek --再见。
They come out of the booth together.
他们一起从摊位出来。
Now it's their mom's turn.
现在轮到他们的妈妈了。
Her kids tell her, itterashai.
她的孩子们告诉她，itterahai。
Itterashai.
伊特拉沙伊。
Miki Meek Good luck.
米基·米克 祝你好运。
Ren, the oldest, he bows and waves to her.
任（Ren）是最年长的，他向她鞠躬并向她挥手。
She walks in, picks up the phone, and lets out a big sigh.
她走进去，拿起电话，长长地叹了口气。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Where should I start?
[日语] Miki Meek 我应该从哪里开始？
I feel like you're still alive-- somewhere.
我感觉你还活着——在某个地方。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek We had so many things we wanted to do together.
[日语] Miki Meek 我们有很多事情想一起做。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek Over the phone, we always said to each other, are you alive?
[日语] Miki Meek 在电话里，我们总是互相问，你还活着吗？
Yes, I'm alive.
是的，我还活着。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek It was our password between the two of us, wasn't it?
[日语] Miki Meek 这是我们两个人之间的密码，不是吗？
(CRYING) [JAPANESE] Miki Meek I can't ask you that anymore.
（哭泣）[日语] Miki Meek 我不能再问你这个了。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek We, all four of us together, we will be waiting.
[日语] Miki Meek 我们四个人一起等待。
After she comes out, the family lingers outside the phone booth for a while.
她出来后，一家人在电话亭外逗留了一会儿。
[JAPANESE] This was literally the first time they'd all talked about their dad together, since the tsunami happened five years ago.
[日语] 自五年前海啸发生以来，这实际上是他们第一次一起谈论他们的父亲。
The youngest, Riku-- he sat quietly on a bench, with his head in his hands.
老三，利库——他双手抱头，安静地坐在长凳上。
The night before his dad disappeared, they went to a public bath together.
他父亲失踪的前一天晚上，他们一起去了公共浴室。
His mom and older siblings tell him--
他的妈妈和年长的兄弟姐妹告诉他——
[JAPANESE] Riku, you don't need to keep your feelings in.
[日语] Riku，你不需要压抑自己的感情。
Go ahead and cry when you want to.
想哭的时候就哭吧。
Ren, the oldest, gently teases him.
任老大轻轻地逗弄他。
He says--
他说——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek See?
[日语] Miki Meek 看到了吗？
He can't stop crying.
他无法停止哭泣。
Mom says yeah, but--
妈妈说是的，但是——
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek --he held back until now.
[日语] Miki Meek——他直到现在才忍住。
[JAPANESE] Miki Meek It's OK, because you held back.
[日语] Miki Meek 没关系，因为你忍住了。
You endured until now.
你一直忍到现在。
The sister then hands Riku her handkerchief.
然后姐姐递给Riku她的手帕。
The mom says her kids, we were all about to fall apart.
妈妈说她的孩子们，我们都快要崩溃了。
We were so broken.
我们是如此破碎。
We didn't think we could make it through.
我们不认为我们能挺过去。
And maybe that's why we never talked about dad until now.
也许这就是为什么我们直到现在才谈论父亲。
But talking to him on the phone today, it changed something.
但今天通过电话与他交谈，改变了一些事情。
Miki Meek is one of the producers of our program.
米基·米克是我们节目的制作人之一。
Thanks to NHK Sendai, who recorded all this, and shared it with us.
感谢NHK仙台记录了这一切并与我们分享。
Coming up, two brothers in their 80s have a last chance to talk to each other before they die.
接下来，两个八十多岁的兄弟在临终前有最后一次交谈的机会。
And neither wants to take it.
双方都不想接受。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program-- "One Last Thing Before I Go," stories that are about-- well, they're about what power do words have in the face of death?
今天的节目——“我走之前的最后一件事”，故事是关于——嗯，它们是关于面对死亡时言语有什么力量？
We've arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, Uncle's Keeper.
第二幕，叔叔的守护者。
So in the first act of our program, people kind of defied death by making small talk-- and some talk that was not so small-- with their dead relatives.
因此，在我们节目的第一幕中，人们通过与死去的亲人闲聊——以及一些不那么小的谈话——来反抗死亡。
In this act, somebody wants to do something very similar-- make a connection that seemed impossible between people.
在这个行为中，有人想做一些非常相似的事情——在人与人之间建立看似不可能的联系。
Except in this story, all the relatives are alive, which you'd think would make it super easy.
除了这个故事之外，所有的亲戚都还活着，你会认为这会让事情变得非常容易。
This story comes from Jonathan Goldstein.
这个故事来自乔纳森·戈德斯坦。
Hi, Jonny.
嗨，乔尼。
Jonathan Goldstein Hey, how you doing?
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 嘿，你好吗？
Good, you?
很好，你呢？
Jonathan Goldstein Good, good.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 好，好。
Gut Yontif.
古特·约蒂夫。
Shana tova.
夏娜·托瓦.
Jonathan Goldstein Chag Sameach.
乔纳森·戈尔茨坦·查格·萨梅奇。
What's that mean?
那是什么意思？
Jonathan Goldstein I'm not sure.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 我不确定。
Oh, oh.
哦，哦。
Jonathan Goldstein This is my father, Buzz.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 这是我的父亲，巴兹。
I'm calling him at his home in Montreal.
我正在给他在蒙特利尔的家中打电话。
And the reason we're talking crazy talk is because it's Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement, which seems as good a day as any to talk with him about forgiveness.
我们之所以谈论疯狂的话题，是因为今天是赎罪日，即犹太人的赎罪日，这似乎是与他谈论宽恕的最佳日子。
I wanted to ask you something.
我想问你一件事。
And I just wanted to gauge your interest.
我只是想了解一下你的兴趣。
Yeah.
是的。
Jonathan Goldstein How-- how would you feel about paying your brother Sheldon a visit?
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 怎么样——如果你去拜访你的兄弟谢尔顿，你感觉如何？
I have no feelings about it.
我对此没有任何感觉。
I'm not really interested.
我不太感兴趣。
My father, Buzz, is 80.
我的父亲巴兹 80 岁了。
And his brother, Sheldon, his only sibling, is 85.
他唯一的兄弟姐妹谢尔顿 (Sheldon) 已经 85 岁了。
And for the past 40 years, they've pretty much been on the outs.
在过去的 40 年里，他们几乎一直处于出局状态。
[MUSIC PLAYING] My father lives in Montreal, and Sheldon lives in Florida.
[音乐播放] 我父亲住在蒙特利尔，谢尔顿住在佛罗里达州。
And the last time they saw each other, over 20 years ago, was at their mother's funeral, where they had a fight over the details of the arrangements.
他们最后一次见面是二十多年前，是在母亲的葬礼上，他们为葬礼的细节发生了争执。
Since then, they've hardly spoken.
从那以后，他们就很少说话了。
It worries me, because there's not a lot of time left.
这让我很担心，因为剩下的时间不多了。
And I don't want my father to have regrets.
我也不希望我的父亲后悔。
And my father has a profound capacity for regret.
我的父亲有很强的后悔能力。
My mother gave up trying to reunite them years ago, after many attempts.
经过多次尝试，我母亲几年前放弃了让他们团聚的尝试。
So I know that if I don't push him, no one else will.
所以我知道，如果我不推动他，其他人也不会这么做。
I'm not surprised that you're not jumping at the idea.
你没有欣然接受这个想法，我并不感到惊讶。
But I'm a little surprised--
但我有点惊讶——
No. Jonathan Goldstein -- that you're as against the idea.
不，乔纳森·戈尔茨坦——你反对这个想法。
Yeah, time's passed.
是的，时间已经过去了。
He hasn't shown much interest.
他并没有表现出太大的兴趣。
So I'm respecting that, and I leave him alone.
所以我尊重这一点，我不会打扰他。
What he did do, was he called you on your 80th birthday, not so long ago.
他所做的就是在你 80 岁生日那天给你打电话，就在不久前。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Jonathan Goldstein And you felt good about that.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦（Jonathan Goldstein）你对此感觉很好。
Yeah, because I called him on his 80th birthday.
是的，因为我在他 80 岁生日那天给他打了电话。
This kind of tit-for-tat accounting is what always gets in the way.
这种针锋相对的会计方式总是会造成阻碍。
You know what it is at this point, with him?
你知道此时此刻，和他在一起是什么感觉吗？
I'll tell you what it is.
我来告诉你它是什么。
I don't think it's even anger.
我认为这甚至不是愤怒。
He's past anger, and he's past any feelings of animosity.
他已经不再愤怒，也不再有任何敌意。
He's past that.
他已经过去了。
He just doesn't care.
他只是不在乎。
Yeah.
是的。
Buzz Goldstein You know, that's apathy.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 你知道，那是冷漠。
I mean, sometimes-- at least hate or love, they're emotions.
我的意思是，有时——至少是恨或爱，它们是情感。
Apathy is nothing.
冷漠没什么。
Yeah.
是的。
Buzz Goldstein But you know what?
巴兹·戈德斯坦 但你知道吗？
Jonny, as a child, even when I was 10, when I was 9 and 8, I was crazy about him.
乔尼，小时候，甚至在我 10 岁、9 岁和 8 岁的时候，我都为他着迷。
We had a great-- you know, I loved him.
我们度过了一段美好的时光——你知道，我爱他。
He was the older brother.
他是哥哥。
He was-- hello?
他是——喂？
You know, I just looked up to him.
你知道，我只是仰望他。
And he had all the friends.
他拥有所有的朋友。
Sometimes he'd take me along with him.
有时他也会带我一起去。
And he was [AUDIO OUT].
他是[音频输出]。
[INAUDIBLE].
[听不清]。
Somebody tried-- is somebody to call here, binging me here?
有人尝试过——有人打电话给我，让我来这里吗？
The most complicated question, the one I keep coming back to, is how did the bad blood begin?
最复杂的问题，也是我不断回想的问题，是这种不和是如何开始的？
And there are many versions.
而且有很多版本。
An ill-fated trip to Montreal, where Sheldon felt slighted about having to stay in my father's basement.
这是一次命运多舛的蒙特利尔之旅，谢尔顿因不得不住在我父亲的地下室而感到受到了轻视。
An ill-fated trip to New York, where my father felt slighted about having to stay in Sheldon's attic.
这是一次命运多舛的纽约之旅，父亲因不得不住在谢尔顿的阁楼里而感到受到了轻视。
Rude words spoken to each other's wives.
对彼此的妻子说粗鲁的话。
In one version of the story, Sheldon's refusal to bring a table to my bris almost resulted in my being circumcised on an ironing board.
在故事的一个版本中，谢尔顿拒绝给我拿一张桌子，差点导致我在熨衣板上被割礼。
But in the version being told today, my father was asked by Sheldon to pay more than his fair share for their mother's funeral.
但在今天讲述的版本中，谢尔顿要求我父亲为母亲的葬礼支付超出他应得份额的费用。
And I said, you're always working some kind of an angle.
我说，你总是从某种角度工作。
So he got furious.
于是他勃然大怒。
He got furious.
他勃然大怒。
He started screaming into the phone, go to hell.
他开始对着电话尖叫，见鬼去吧。
Drop dead, bah, bah, bah.
死掉吧，呸呸呸。
He was-- that was how that ended.
他——事情就是这样结束的。
But I feel he's the kind of guy, that he has angles like that, you know?
但我觉得他是那种人，他有这样的角度，你知道吗？
He has angles.
他有角度。
I always felt I was on the up-and-up with him, and he wasn't with me.
我总觉得我和他在一起很向上，而他却不和我在一起。
If you got a stronger sense that he was interested in seeing you, then would you--
如果你更强烈地感觉到他有兴趣见到你，那么你会——
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
是的。
Jonathan Goldstein You would be more inclined to see him?
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 你会更愿意见他吗？
I wouldn't stay at his house though, that's out of the question.
不过我不会住在他家，那是不可能的。
OK, quick sidebar.
好的，快速侧边栏。
Anytime I've ever raised the prospect of visiting Sheldon, no matter how hypothetical the scenario, my father always makes a point of insisting how no matter what, he would not stay in Sheldon's house-- even if he was invited to.
每当我提出去拜访谢尔顿的想法时，无论这种情况多么假设，我父亲总是坚持认为无论如何，他都不会留在谢尔顿家里——即使他被邀请去。
Which, I should point out, he never is.
我应该指出，他从来都不是。
I wouldn't stay at his house.
我不会住在他家。
Jonathan Goldstein How come you-- [LAUGHS]
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 你怎么来了——[笑]
I wouldn't stay there.
我不会留在那里。
I mean, it's not my thing.
我的意思是，这不是我的事。
Normally, when someone goes to visit someone that they haven't seen in decades, they'll stay at a hotel, you know?
通常，当有人去拜访几十年未见的人时，他们会住在酒店，你知道吗？
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
I would stay at a motel or somewhere near his place.
我会住在汽车旅馆或他家附近的某个地方。
[LAUGHS] A motel.
[笑]一家汽车旅馆。
Yeah, no, we'd get a place with an ice machine and-- you know.
是的，不，我们会找一个有制冰机的地方——你知道的。
Why, you're interested in making a trip?
为什么，你有兴趣去旅行吗？
I'm interested-- [SIGHS] Do you think that there's anything to be gained in seeing him?
我感兴趣——[叹气]你认为见到他有什么好处吗？
Hmm, I guess there's something.
嗯，我猜有什么。
You share your common experience, and you talk about the old days.
你们分享共同的经历，谈论旧时光。
There are things that only he and I can remember.
有些事只有我和他能记得。
You know?
你知道？
Yeah.
是的。
Buzz Goldstein What you could do is, you could call him.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 你能做的是，你可以给他打电话。
Yeah.
是的。
Buzz Goldstein And see what his attitude is.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 看看他的态度是什么。
You know?
你知道？
It depends on how you feel, what kind of reception you get.
这取决于你的感受，以及你得到什么样的接待。
Yeah, I mean I would be happy to do that.
是的，我的意思是我很乐意这样做。
My concern is that--
我担心的是——
I like your initial suggestion, that you call and feel him out.
我喜欢你最初的建议，即你打电话给他试探一下。
See what he's like.
看看他是什么样子。
OK, I didn't suggest that, but-- you-- [LAUGHS] you suggested that.
好吧，我没有建议，但是——你——[笑]你建议了。
Yeah, I like that.
是的，我喜欢这样。
Because you'll give me an honest reaction.
因为你会给我诚实的反应。
I'm happy to do it.
我很乐意这样做。
But, I mean, what are you looking for?
但是，我的意思是，你在寻找什么？
What do you want to hear from him?
你想从他那里听到什么？
I miss my brother, I would like to see him.
我想念我的兄弟，我想见见他。
OK.
好的。
Buzz Goldstein You understand?
巴兹·戈德斯坦 你明白吗？
And you come back on me with an honest evaluation.
然后你就以诚实的评价回到我身边。
Sheldon?
谢尔顿？
Sheldon Goldstein Yes, speaking.
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 是的，正在讲话。
Hi.
你好。
Sheldon Goldstein That was quite a shock, getting your phone call.
谢尔登·戈德斯坦 接到你的电话真是太震惊了。
You said, Jon, and my hearing is not that great.
你说，乔恩，我的听力不太好。
OK.
好的。
Sheldon Goldstein And when I heard the first message, I'm saying, who the heck is that?
谢尔登·戈德斯坦：当我听到第一条消息时，我说，那到底是谁？
I don't know anybody by that name.
我不认识叫这个名字的人。
Sheldon now lives outside of Fort Lauderdale.
谢尔顿现在住在劳德代尔堡郊外。
But my few memories of him are from when he lived in upstate New York.
但我对他的一些记忆来自他住在纽约州北部的时候。
I remember he lived in a trailer.
我记得他住在拖车里。
I remember that he worked at a local prison, that he smoked cigars, that he looked a little like my father, but was hunched, like the world was weighing down on him.
我记得他在当地的一所监狱工作，他抽雪茄，他看起来有点像我父亲，但驼背，好像整个世界都压在他身上。
And he always wore this expression on his face that seemed to say, you got to be kidding me.
他脸上总是带着这样的表情，似乎在说，你一定是在跟我开玩笑。
You're keeping OK?
你还好吗？
You're keeping occupied?
你还忙着吗？
Yeah, I read a lot.
是的，我读了很多书。
I go to the gym.
我去健身房。
I go shopping.
我去购物。
You know, here and there, little things here and there.
你知道，到处都是小事。
Jonathan Goldstein So how often do you go to the gym?
乔纳森·戈尔茨坦 那么你多久去一次健身房呢？
Three times a week.
每周三次。
Jonathan Goldstein My father also goes to the gym.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 我的父亲也去健身房。
That's a part of his routine also.
这也是他日常工作的一部分。
He was happy to hear from you on his 80th birthday.
他很高兴在他 80 岁生日那天收到你的来信。
Yeah, well, he didn't call me on my 85th though.
是的，好吧，不过在我 85 岁的时候他没有给我打电话。
Sheldon Goldstein To be honest with you, in the last few years, I've been a loner.
谢尔登·戈德斯坦：老实说，在过去的几年里，我一直是一个孤独的人。
Uh huh.
嗯嗯。
Sheldon Goldstein You would basically almost call me a recluse.
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦（Sheldon Goldstein）你基本上几乎会称我为隐士。
I don't socialize with many people.
我不与很多人交往。
And I really don't give a damn what anybody thinks.
我真的不在乎别人怎么想。
Yeah.
是的。
Sheldon Goldstein And contrary to popular belief, I like being alone, by myself.
谢尔登·戈德斯坦 与普遍看法相反，我喜欢独自一人。
I get along with myself very well.
我和自己相处得很好。
Yeah.
是的。
Sheldon Goldstein Look, I don't want to be rude or anything, but I want to go have my lunch.
谢尔登·戈德斯坦：听着，我不想表现得粗鲁什么的，但我想去吃午饭。
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's fine.
哦，是啊，是啊，这样就好了。
Sheldon Goldstein Yeah.
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 是的。
It's fine.
没关系。
Sheldon, I appreciate your talking to me.
谢尔顿，我很高兴你跟我说话。
And you would be amenable to spending some time?
您愿意花一些时间吗？
Why not?
为什么不呢？
We are brothers.
我们是兄弟。
I mean, we're not close or anything.
我的意思是，我们并不亲近或者什么的。
But you know, we're not going to have a chance to see each other much in the future.
但你知道，我们以后不会有太多见面的机会了。
[LAUGHS] Jonathan Goldstein Yeah.
[笑]乔纳森·戈德斯坦 是的。
Is that anything that you think about?
你有这样的想法吗？
Press where to, then type.
按“哪里”，然后键入。
Do you have an address?
你有地址吗？
Yeah, I do.
是的，我愿意。
My dad and I meet up at the Fort Lauderdale airport.
我和爸爸在劳德代尔堡机场见面。
I flew from New York, and my dad from Montreal.
我从纽约飞来，我爸爸从蒙特利尔飞来。
My father's all dressed up, wearing a faux suede sports jacket that I've never seen him in.
我父亲盛装打扮，穿着一件我从未见过他穿的人造麂皮运动夹克。
We grab our airport rental and prepare for the two-hour drive to Sheldon.
我们租了机场租金，准备两小时车程前往谢尔顿。
In the 90-degree heat, it's immediately made clear that faux suede might not have been the best fashion choice.
在 90 度的高温下，人们立即意识到人造麂皮可能不是最好的时尚选择。
On the road to Sheldon's, my father will experience a spectrum of feelings.
在去谢尔顿家的路上，父亲会经历一系列的感受。
As we first set out, there's excitement.
当我们第一次出发时，大家都很兴奋。
My brother was funny in a lot of ways.
我哥哥在很多方面都很有趣。
I could laugh.
我可以笑。
We're going to have laughs with him.
我们要和他一起欢笑。
He's a very funny man.
他是一个非常有趣的人。
A half an hour in, and there's bitterness.
半个小时过去了，还有点苦涩。
We invited him to your bar mitzvah.
我们邀请他参加你们的成人礼。
And he returned a very cold card.
他还回了一张非常冷淡的卡片。
Sorry, we will not be attending.
抱歉，我们不会参加。
It was so mean.
真是太卑鄙了。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Even the writing.
甚至写作。
I'm relaxed.
我很放松。
Jonathan Goldstein Oh, good.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 哦，很好。
Kind of old to get anxious, you know what I mean?
有点老了，变得焦虑，你明白我的意思吗？
10 minutes to Sheldon's, and Buzz is feeling--
距谢尔顿家 10 分钟路程，巴兹感觉——
Yeah?
是吗？
You feeling a little-- Buzz Goldstein Oh, it's going to be strange.
你感觉有点——巴兹·戈德斯坦 哦，这会很奇怪。
Yeah.
是的。
Buzz Goldstein It's going to be very strange.
巴兹·戈德斯坦：这会很奇怪。
I mean, the man is a stranger to me now.
我的意思是，这个人现在对我来说已经是陌生人了。
And yet, he's my brother.
然而，他是我的兄弟。
You understand?
你明白吗？
It's a very strange feeling.
这是一种非常奇怪的感觉。
Yeah.
是的。
Buzz Goldstein I wonder if he's getting nervous?
巴兹·戈德斯坦 我想知道他是否感到紧张？
Maybe.
或许。
Buzz Goldstein Cause he's waiting for us, right?
巴兹·戈德斯坦 因为他在等我们，对吧？
Yeah.
是的。
Sheldon lives in the corner house on a quiet suburban street.
谢尔顿住在一条安静的郊区街道上的街角房子里。
Ring the bell.
按响门铃。
Buzz Goldstein I guess.
我猜是巴兹·戈德斯坦。
Is this his door?
这是他的门吗？
Hey!
嘿！
Sheldon Goldstein There's an [INAUDIBLE]
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦（Sheldon Goldstein）有一个[听不清]
It's good to see you.
很高兴见到你。
Sheldon Goldstein And this is Jonathan?
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 这是乔纳森？
Good to see-- Sheldon Goldstein Nice to meet you.
很高兴见到——谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 很高兴认识你。
Come in.
进来吧。
Thank you.
谢谢你。
Sheldon Goldstein Lately I've become a monk-- me and my pussycat.
谢尔登·戈德斯坦 最近我和我的小猫咪成了一名和尚。
Oh, you got a cat.
哦，你有一只猫。
Buzz Goldstein Oh, come here.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 噢，过来。
What?
什么？
[CAT MEOWS] Jonathan Goldstein After all the years and the worry and the dread, things seem to be going swimmingly.
[猫喵喵叫]乔纳森·戈德斯坦（Jonathan Goldstein）经过这么多年的担忧和恐惧，事情似乎进展顺利。
We sit down at Sheldon's kitchen table, and my father gets right into it.
我们在谢尔顿的餐桌旁坐下，我父亲就开始参与其中。
Now there's things I want to know.
现在我想知道一些事情。
You said that Rainy died?
你说Rainy死了？
Yeah, she died.
是的，她死了。
Buzz Goldstein She did die.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 她确实死了。
The dead are a good place to begin.
死者是一个很好的起点。
As a subject, they're easily agreed upon, and not likely to spark a fight.
作为一个主题，它们很容易达成一致，并且不太可能引发争吵。
Yankel died.
扬克尔死了。
Buzz Goldstein Yankel died?
巴兹·戈尔茨坦·扬克尔死了吗？
He was the youngest brother.
他是最小的兄弟。
Oh, he died long ago.
哦，他很久以前就死了。
Buzz Goldstein He died, eh?
巴兹·戈德斯坦 他死了，是吗？
Oh, you know who died?
哦，你知道谁死了吗？
What a prick.
真是个刺啊。
Buzz Goldstein Yeah, yeah.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 是的，是的。
Kanish.
卡尼什。
[INAUDIBLE] [INTERPOSING VOICES]
[听不清] [介入声音]
Oh, that's shocking.
哦，这太令人震惊了。
Sheldon Goldstein Yeah, he was fat.
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 是的，他很胖。
He was fat.
他很胖。
Redhead.
红发女郎。
Sheldon Goldstein Redhead, right.
红发谢尔登·戈尔茨坦，右。
Yeah.
是的。
Kanish.
卡尼什。
Yeah, remember Johnny?
是的，还记得约翰尼吗？
Johnny was a sex maniac.
约翰尼是一个性狂。
Johnny-- oh, he would [BLEEP] a dog on the street.
约翰尼——哦，他会在街上[哔哔]一只狗。
If he saw the dog, he'd try to [BLEEP] the dog.
如果他看到那只狗，他会尝试对狗发出“哔哔声”。
[LAUGHS] Can I get you guys a cold beer?
[笑]我能给你们喝杯冰啤酒吗？
I'd like a beer.
我想要一杯啤酒。
Jonathan Goldstein Yeah, sure.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 是的，当然。
How about you?
你呢？
Jonathan Goldstein I'll have a beer.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 我要一杯啤酒。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Even though they're in their 80s, Sheldon and Buzz still possess voices and temperaments suited to shouting out Brooklyn tenement windows.
尽管谢尔顿和巴兹已经 80 多岁了，但他们的声音和气质仍然适合对着布鲁克林公寓的窗户大喊大叫。
While my voice--
当我的声音——
(VOICE CRACKS) Yeah, sure, I'll have a beer--
（声音嘶哑）是的，当然，我要一杯啤酒——
Is best suited to asking a waitress if there will be a sharing charge.
最适合询问女服务员是否需要分摊费用。
[THUD] Jonathan Goldstein [BLEEP] forgot about that.
[THUD] Jonathan Goldstein [BLEEP] 忘记了这一点。
Sorry.
对不起。
Case in point-- this is Sheldon accidentally swiping a portable microphone receiver off the kitchen table, and me trying to smooth things over.
举个例子——谢尔顿不小心把便携式麦克风接收器从厨房的桌子上滑下来，而我则试图平息事情。
Just take it off, would you please?
请把它脱下来好吗？
Thank you.
谢谢。
Thank you.
谢谢。
All right.
好的。
Over the next two days, my testes will flee like frightened cockroaches, upward, ascending to heights not seen since the bar mitzvah that Sheldon was not attending.
在接下来的两天里，我的睾丸将像受惊的蟑螂一样向上逃跑，上升到自谢尔顿没有参加成人礼以来从未见过的高度。
While it's fun watching them reminisce, I'd say, that about 80% of my uncle Sheldon's stories about the good old days are filthy enough to make them virtually unbroadcastable.
虽然看着他们回忆起来很有趣，但我想说的是，我叔叔谢尔顿关于过去美好时光的故事中大约 80% 都非常肮脏，几乎无法播放。
But here's one-- specially selected, and beeped for your delicate ears.
但这里有一个——经过专门挑选，并为您娇嫩的耳朵发出蜂鸣声。
Wally Rosen.
沃利·罗森。
Wonder whatever became of him.
想知道他后来怎么样了。
He was a bum.
他是个流浪汉。
Me and Wally Rosen were joining the weightlifting club.
我和沃利·罗森加入了举重俱乐部。
So you had to be tested for a rupture.
所以你必须接受破裂测试。
I remember he put his hand [BLEEP].
我记得他把手放了[哔]。
I started laughing so hard, I [BLEEP] right in his [BLEEP].
我开始笑得很厉害，我在他的[BLEEP]中[BLEEP]。
[LAUGHS] Ay yay yay.
[笑] 是啊是啊。
Over the years, I've seen my father in the role of husband, uncle, and grandfather.
多年来，我看到父亲扮演着丈夫、叔叔和祖父的角色。
But I've never really seen him in the role of younger brother.
但我从来没有真正见过他扮演弟弟的角色。
How odd to see it now, at 80.
现在80岁了，看到这个真是奇怪。
He sits beside Sheldon, with this expression I've never seen on his face.
他坐在谢尔顿旁边，脸上带着我从未见过的表情。
It's wide-eyed, sweet, and deferential.
它睁大眼睛，甜美而恭敬。
But as the day wears on, Sheldon and Buzz begin to squabble over their memories, fighting over every little detail.
但随着时间的流逝，谢尔顿和巴兹开始为他们的记忆争吵，为每一个小细节争吵。
Remember the hullabaloo we had with hair dyer, that heavy-set girl?
还记得我们用吹风机吵闹的那个身材魁梧的女孩吗？
She was a manicurist.
她是一名美甲师。
Buzz Goldstein She was a hair dyer.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 她是一名染发师。
Manicurist.
美甲师。
Buzz Goldstein No, she was a hair dyer.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 不，她是一名染发师。
Here's what happened.
事情是这样的。
She went over to Irving's--
她去了欧文家——
They even argue over the death of their grandmother.
他们甚至为祖母的死而争论。
I found her body.
我找到了她的尸体。
Sheldon Goldstein I did.
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 我做到了。
I opened the door.
我打开门。
No. Sheldon Goldstein I did.
不，谢尔顿·戈德斯坦，我做到了。
No, my mother was across the street, at [INAUDIBLE].
不，我母亲就在街对面的[听不清]。
I remember walking in-- Jonathan Goldstein I walked in on her.
我记得走进去——乔纳森·戈德斯坦，我走进了她。
And I knew she was dead, soon as I saw her.
我一看到她就知道她死了。
I never saw a dead body in my life, but I knew she was dead.
我一生中从未见过尸体，但我知道她已经死了。
Sure.
当然。
So wait, so you found her, or you found her?
等等，所以你找到了她，还是你找到了她？
I remember looking in on her room to see how she was doing.
我记得我曾到过她的房间，看看她过得怎么样。
She was awfully quiet.
她非常安静。
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
[插话]
[INAUDIBLE].
[听不清]。
I found her, but let him take the credit.
我找到了她，但让他把功劳占了。
The whole afternoon is like this.
整个下午就这样。
Every subject, even their dead grandmother, somehow becomes fodder for another pissing match.
每个主题，甚至是他们死去的祖母，都会以某种方式成为另一场小便比赛的素材。
They're burning up all this time with small talk, when what they need is some big talk.
当他们需要的是一些大话时，他们总是因为闲聊而燃烧。
In particular, they need to address a story that I know holds a great deal of meaning for my father.
特别是，他们需要讲述一个我知道对我父亲来说意义重大的故事。
It took place in 1939, on the day their mother left them.
事情发生在 1939 年，那天他们的母亲离开了他们。
I've only ever heard the story from my father, never from Sheldon.
我只从我父亲那里听过这个故事，从来没有从谢尔顿那里听过。
I wanted to ask what you remember.
我想问你还记得什么。
What your perspective--
你的观点是什么——
Well, I remember that time was when Pop was smacking her around, and she ran out in the hall.
嗯，我记得当时爸爸正在打她，她就跑到了大厅里。
And her slip--
还有她的失误——
Fighting in the hall.
大厅内打斗。
Sheldon Goldstein And he was smacking her around.
谢尔登·戈德斯坦 他正在打她。
Yeah, smacking her around.
对，就是打她。
Sheldon Goldstein She ran out.
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 她跑了出去。
The next morning?
第二天早上？
Buzz Goldstein Yeah.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 是的。
Looked in her closet.
看了看她的衣柜。
Her clothes were gone.
她的衣服不见了。
She left.
她离开了。
Ah.
啊。
Jonathan Goldstein What happened after this, in my father's telling, is that his mother returned soon after she left, with a policeman in tow.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 根据我父亲的说法，此后发生的事情是，他的母亲离开后不久就回来了，身后还跟着一名警察。
And they came back to try to get you.
他们回来试图抓住你。
They wanted you to come back with them.
他们希望你和他们一起回来。
And where were you?
你在哪里？
Buzz Goldstein I was there, but they were trying to drag you out of the house.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 我当时就在场，但他们正试图把你拖出房子。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
No, no, no. I guess they want my father and grandmother.
不，不，不。我猜他们想要我的父亲和祖母。
This is the point of the story for my father.
这就是我父亲的故事的要点。
It proves, once and for all, how his mother loved Sheldon more than she loved him.
这一劳永逸地证明了他的母亲爱谢尔顿胜过爱他。
Sheldon didn't move out with her.
谢尔顿没有和她一起搬出去。
And after a year, their mother returned.
一年后，他们的母亲回来了。
And together, Buzz and Sheldon grew up under the same roof, in the same bedroom, often sleeping under the same blankets, each knowing who the mother had chosen, and each having to do their best to carry on and live life with the burden of that knowledge.
巴兹和谢尔顿一起在同一个屋檐下、同一个卧室里长大，经常睡在同一张毯子下，每个人都知道母亲选择了谁，并且每个人都必须尽最大努力背负着这些知识的负担继续生活。
[MUSIC PLAYING] A couple times during the day, I ask them why they haven't spoken in so long.
[音乐播放] 白天，我有几次问他们为什么这么长时间没有说话。
And they both insist, maybe out of embarrassment, that they do talk, just not often.
也许是出于尴尬，他们都坚持认为他们确实会说话，只是不经常说话。
But it isn't true.
但这不是真的。
In fact, my father learned of Sheldon's wife's death many years after the fact-- and then, only from me.
事实上，我父亲是在多年后才得知谢尔顿妻子去世的消息的——而且只是从我那里得知的。
Sheldon's daughter got in touch through Facebook, and we made a phone date, where she caught me up on her life and Sheldon's.
谢尔顿的女儿通过 Facebook 取得了联系，我们进行了电话约会，她向我讲述了她和谢尔顿的生活。
And a few nights later, while over at my parents' for dinner, I told my father of his sister-in-law's death.
几天后的晚上，当我去父母家吃晚饭时，我告诉父亲他嫂子的死讯。
There was a terrible look that fell across his face.
他的脸上浮现出可怕的神色。
One of sadness, but something else too, maybe shock over just how far he and Sheldon had drifted.
一种是悲伤，但也有其他的东西，也许是对他和谢尔顿已经走得太远感到震惊。
I found out about Judy-- about her death.
我知道了朱迪的事——她的死讯。
I didn't know about it, either until you told me.
我也不知道这件事，直到你告诉我。
Yeah.
是的。
Sheldon Goldstein Didn't I tell you?
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦：我没告诉过你吗？
No. Sheldon Goldstein You didn't know about it?
不，谢尔顿·戈德斯坦（Sheldon Goldstein）你不知道吗？
No?
不？
We didn't know.
我们不知道。
Sheldon Goldstein She was sick about two years there, Judy.
谢尔登·戈德斯坦 朱迪，她在那里病了大约两年。
[SIGH] Too bad.
[叹气]太糟糕了。
Sheldon Goldstein Well, when she got the diagnosis, she was already stage IV.
Sheldon Goldstein 嗯，当她得到诊断时，她已经是第四期了。
What did I know about cancer?
我对癌症了解多少？
I didn't.
我没有。
The surgeon-- so I says, well, doctor, how did the surgery go?
外科医生——所以我说，好吧，医生，手术进行得怎么样？
Oh, he said, it went very well.
哦，他说，进展顺利。
But the cancer's in her liver now.
但癌症现在已经在她的肝脏里了。
[INAUDIBLE].
[听不清]。
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Jonathan Goldstein Oh, it spread.
[插话] 乔纳森·戈德斯坦 噢，它传播开来了。
I said, it's in her liver?
我说，在她的肝脏里？
I said, what?
我说，什么？
[RESTAURANT CHATTER] Sheldon Goldstein You know where I usually eat, when I come here by myself?
[餐厅闲聊] 谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 (Sheldon Goldstein) 你知道我一个人来这里时通常在哪里吃饭吗？
By the bar.
在酒吧旁边。
They've got a waitress there who always waits on me, and she takes good care of me.
他们那里有一个女服务员，她总是伺候我，她把我照顾得很好。
For dinner, Sheldon takes us to a local Outback Steakhouse.
晚餐时，谢尔顿带我们去当地的一家内陆牛排馆。
As people walk by, he provides a running commentary-- of an elderly couple--
当人们走过时，他不断地评论一对老年夫妇——
Don't get like that couple, whatever you do.
不管你做什么，都不要像那对夫妇那样。
It's time for the execution.
到了行刑的时间了。
--of an overweight couple-- Sheldon Goldstein Boy, are they fat.
——一对超重夫妇——谢尔顿·戈德斯坦男孩，他们胖吗？
People are fat today.
今天的人都胖了。
Woo!
哇！
It's as though he's sharpening his wit, readying it for the main event, teasing my dad about Canada.
就好像他正在磨练自己的智慧，为主要赛事做好准备，并用加拿大来取笑我爸爸。
I don't know how you could take Canada all year around.
我不知道你怎么能全年无休地带着加拿大。
You know why?
你知道为什么吗？
Because we've got nice neighbors.
因为我们有好邻居。
It's nice.
很好。
It's OK.
没关系。
Uh, what was I going to say?
呃，我要说什么？
You're living in the same place for how many years?
你们在同一个地方住了多少年了？
Oh, about-- over 35, 38 years, something like that.
哦，大约——超过 35、38 岁，类似的事情。
I'm happy here.
我在这里很高兴。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
For my father, I know this is a touchy subject, believing, as he always has, that Sheldon looks down on him for the dinkiness of his Canadian life and home.
对于我的父亲来说，我知道这是一个敏感的话题，我相信，正如他一贯的那样，谢尔顿因为他在加拿大的生活和家庭的肮脏而看不起他。
It's like a constant reminder of just who is second best.
这就像不断提醒我们谁是第二好。
Later, my father will repeat Sheldon's words-- (IMITATING SHELDON) "You're still living in that same place?" He'll say, "For how many years?"
稍后，我父亲会重复谢尔顿的话——（模仿谢尔顿）“你还住在同一个地方吗？”他会说：“多少年了？”
But just then, I watch my father clench and unclench his jaw, as he does when he is brooding.
但就在那时，我看到父亲咬紧牙关又松开牙关，就像他沉思时那样。
I know he's trying to take the high road, trying not to ruin the evening.
我知道他想走正路，不想破坏这个夜晚。
Sheldon invites us back to his place for cookies.
谢尔顿邀请我们回到他家吃饼干。
But my father says he isn't up for it.
但我父亲说他不愿意。
It's getting cold.
天越来越冷了。
Jonathan Goldstein As we walk through the restaurant parking lot to the car, my father is silent.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 当我们穿过餐厅停车场走向汽车时，我父亲沉默了。
I find myself feeling protective of him, like maybe encouraging this trip had been a bad idea, only making things worse.
我发现自己对他产生了保护欲，好像鼓励这次旅行可能是一个坏主意，只会让事情变得更糟。
After midnight, lying awake in our hotel-- my father insisted we stay at one-- I lay in bed, thinking about that day in 1939, when my grandmother came back for Sheldon, not my father.
午夜过后，我躺在我们的旅馆里——我父亲坚持让我们住其中——我躺在床上，想着 1939 年的那一天，当时我的祖母回来找谢尔顿，而不是我的父亲。
For my father, not only did it push him away from Sheldon, making him feel jealous and resentful, but it also cast a shadow over the rest of his life, causing him to always feel passed over.
对于父亲来说，这不仅让他远离了谢尔顿，让他感到嫉妒和怨恨，也给他的余生蒙上了阴影，让他总觉得自己被忽视了。
He's mellowed with age.
随着年龄的增长，他变得成熟了。
But as a kid, I saw it come out in all kinds of ways.
但作为一个孩子，我看到它以各种方式出现。
Always sensitive to slights, ready for a fight at the smallest perceived offense.
总是对轻视很敏感，随时准备以最小的感知冒犯进行战斗。
I wonder if there's a different way from my father to see things.
我想知道是否有与我父亲不同的看待事物的方式。
If there is, the only living person in this world who can help is Sheldon.
如果有的话，这个世界上唯一能提供帮助的活着的人就是谢尔顿。
When their mom left, Sheldon was nine, my father, five.
当他们的妈妈离开时，谢尔顿九岁，我的父亲五岁。
Sheldon would have understood a lot more than my father.
谢尔顿比我父亲更能理解。
Yesterday, Buzz and Sheldon talked like a couple of kids who used to play stick ball in the old neighborhood.
昨天，巴兹和谢尔顿的谈话就像两个在老邻居玩棍球的孩子一样。
Today, if me and my big, fat, meddling yap have any sway, they'll have a chance to talk as men-- as brothers, even.
今天，如果我和我的大胖子、爱管闲事的家伙有任何影响力，他们将有机会像男人一样交谈——甚至像兄弟一样。
Because if not now, when?
因为如果不是现在，更待何时？
Day two.
第二天。
Buzz Goldstein This is a damn good cigar.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 这是一支非常好的雪茄。
He sent me-- Buzz Goldstein Oh, Dominican Republic?
他派我——巴兹·戈德斯坦 哦，多米尼加共和国？
They make a damn good cigar in the Dominican Republic.
他们在多米尼加共和国生产非常好的雪茄。
What are you talking about?
你在说什么？
Despite the difficulties of last night, the coin is flipped back to the good side.
尽管昨晚遇到了困难，但硬币又回到了好的一面。
Sheldon offers my father a cigar.
谢尔顿给了我父亲一支雪茄。
And with a cigar, some cigar talk-- some pretty foul cigar talk.
一边抽着雪茄，一边聊一些雪茄谈话——一些非常肮脏的雪茄谈话。
We're riding on Queens Boulevard.
我们正行驶在皇后大道上。
Johnny's in the backseat with The Who.
约翰尼和 The Who 一起坐在后座。
He's got his naked ass up in the air.
他把赤裸的屁股举在空中。
And he's humping--
他正在驼背——
[LAUGH] Sheldon Goldstein Well, the funny thing is, we had to stop for a light.
[笑]谢尔顿·戈德斯坦嗯，有趣的是，我们不得不停下来等红绿灯。
And there's a truck driver, sitting in the cab up high, who-- God, that was funny.
还有一个卡车司机，坐在驾驶室的高处，天啊，这太有趣了。
What?
什么？
Jonathan Goldstein Do you miss each other?
乔纳森·戈尔茨坦 你们想念彼此吗？
You know, he asks the weirdest questions.
你知道，他问的问题都是最奇怪的。
[LAUGH] Sheldon Goldstein What is he, a broad?
[笑] 谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 他是什么人，一个女人？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Eager to prove to my uncle Sheldon that in spite of the fact I'm wearing my wife's travel deodorant, I am indeed not a broad.
我渴望向我的叔叔谢尔顿证明，尽管我穿着我妻子的旅行除臭剂，但我确实不是一个女人。
I allow them to return to more pressing matters-- their prostates.
我让他们回到更紧迫的问题上——他们的前列腺。
The guy says, Jesus.
那家伙说，耶稣。
He says, your prostate feels like the moon craters in there, he said.
他说，你的前列腺感觉就像那里的月球陨石坑，他说。
I said, thank you, doctor.
我说，谢谢你，医生。
He was complimenting me.
他在夸奖我。
So if I could steer this away from the prostates-- so if my father said that it's significant it to him, to have come.
所以如果我能把它从前列腺上转移开——所以如果我父亲说这对他来说很重要，那就来吧。
What do you say?
你怎么说？
But what about you?
但你呢？
Sheldon Goldstein I said, I agree with whatever he said.
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 我说过，我同意他所说的一切。
Do you want a written contract?
您想要一份书面合同吗？
No, I'm happy for that.
不，我为此感到高兴。
It feels like I'm getting a taste of what growing up with Sheldon might've been like.
感觉就像我正在尝尝和谢尔顿一起长大的滋味。
So again, I make my move.
所以，我再次采取行动。
So I have some questions just about-- because the stories that I know are from my father, but I'm curious what your take is, because you were older.
所以我有一些问题——因为我知道的故事来自我父亲，但我很好奇你的看法是什么，因为你年纪大了。
Do you remember what was going on when your mother left, originally?
你还记得你妈妈离开时最初发生了什么吗？
Like why, and what was going on?
比如为什么，发生了什么？
Didn't you cover this ground before yesterday?
昨天之前你没有讲过这个话题吗？
But from my family's perspective, the way I understood it was always you were the favorite.
但从我家人的角度来看，我的理解是你总是最受欢迎的。
Did you feel that way?
你有这样的感觉吗？
At this point, Sheldon's face suddenly softens.
说到这里，谢尔顿的脸色突然柔和下来。
I always felt that I got the short end of the stick.
我总觉得自己吃亏了。
[LAUGH]
[笑]
Yeah, but you were kind of a favorite with my mom.
是的，但你是我妈妈最喜欢的人。
Yeah, maybe with Mom because maybe temperamentally we were closer than I was with my father.
是的，也许是和妈妈在一起，因为也许在性格上我们比我和父亲更亲密。
My father never gave me spit.
我父亲从来不向我吐口水。
Did you ever get any money from my father?
你从我父亲那里得到过钱吗？
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Sheldon Goldstein You never got a dime.
[插话]谢尔顿·戈德斯坦：你一分钱都没拿到。
No. Can't remember.
不，不记得了。
No. Sheldon Goldstein You remember, one time I sprained my ankle so bad.
不，谢尔顿·戈德斯坦（Sheldon Goldstein） 你还记得吗，有一次我把脚踝扭得很厉害。
Oh, I'll never forget that.
哦，我永远不会忘记这一点。
That was terrible.
那太可怕了。
I laid in that bed.
我躺在那张床上。
And he says to me, you lazy bum.
他对我说，你这个懒惰的流浪汉。
Man, he went off on me that time.
伙计，那次他对我发火了。
Yeah.
是的。
He took Sheldon once.
他带过谢尔顿一次。
Sheldon happened to say the word [BLEEP].
谢尔顿碰巧说出了[BLEEP]这个词。
He came in with that [BLEEP] strap swinging, with the buckle.
他进来时，[BLEEP]带子在摆动，带扣也跟着晃动。
And you know, I can understand leaving a feeling level of resentment and dislike.
你知道，我可以理解留下一种怨恨和厌恶的感觉。
That was his way of communicating with us.
这是他与我们交流的方式。
Jesus, what a way.
天啊，多好的方法啊。
Sheldon Goldstein Smack, and then--
谢尔登·戈德斯坦·斯马克，然后——
What a way.
多好的办法啊。
Jonathan Goldstein Was he easier on you, do you think?
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 你觉得他对你比较轻松吗？
He wasn't that easy, but he was tough on Sheldon.
他并不那么容易相处，但他对谢尔顿很严厉。
I know you were closer to him than I was.
我知道你比我和他更亲近。
Yeah.
是的。
Sheldon Goldstein And a lot of things that went on, and you didn't understand really, what was going on.
谢尔登·戈德斯坦：发生了很多事情，但你并没有真正理解发生了什么。
No, I did not.
不，我没有。
See, you had a different take.
瞧，你有不同的看法。
Why, are you surprised?
为什么，你很惊讶吗？
Buzz Goldstein But I was a kid.
巴兹·戈德斯坦但我还是个孩子。
I didn't understand it.
我不明白。
But you didn't know that Sheldon was getting it so bad?
但你不知道谢尔顿的处境如此糟糕吗？
No. Jonathan Goldstein In Buzz's telling, their father was always a more-or-less benign childish figure, incapable of expressing his feelings, and so given to temper tantrums.
不。乔纳森·戈德斯坦 在巴兹的讲述中，他们的父亲总是一个或多或少和蔼的孩子气人物，无法表达自己的感受，因此容易发脾气。
For Buzz, it was their mother who was the manipulator, the woman who played the brothers off each other.
对于巴兹来说，他们的母亲才是操纵者，是一个让兄弟俩互相欺负的女人。
But hearing Sheldon's take, it sounds like maybe their mother didn't come to take Sheldon because she loved him best, but simply because he needed more protecting from their father.
但听谢尔顿的说法，听起来也许他们的母亲来接谢尔顿并不是因为她最爱他，而仅仅是因为他需要更多的保护，免受他们的父亲的伤害。
[MUSIC PLAYING] For the first time during our trip, I can see my father considering Sheldon's point of view-- actually taking it in.
[音乐播放] 在我们的旅行中，我第一次看到父亲考虑谢尔顿的观点——真正接受它。
I know it's intense for him, because he can't even meet Sheldon's eyes.
我知道这对他来说很紧张，因为他甚至无法直视谢尔顿的眼睛。
Instead, he looks at me, addresses his comments to me.
相反，他看着我，向我发表了他的评论。
You know, it's sad that my father had such a negative impact on him, you know?
你知道，我父亲给他带来了如此负面的影响，这是令人难过的，你知道吗？
Just awful.
太糟糕了。
Because he had so much going for him.
因为他有太多的事情要做。
He was a wonderful son.
他是一个很棒的儿子。
He worked hard.
他工作很努力。
He was a good boy.
他是个好孩子。
You're talking like I'm a failure in life.
你说得好像我是人生的失败者一样。
No, you weren't a failure.
不，你不是一个失败者。
That's the thing that I'm saying, that you weren't a failure.
这就是我要说的，你不是一个失败者。
All I'm saying, is that emotionally, he left an impact on you.
我想说的是，在情感上，他给你留下了影响。
It took a long time for me to get out of that emotion.
我花了很长时间才从那种情绪中走出来。
And now, I'm at peace with myself.
现在，我对自己很平静。
I can talk about him and laugh about him.
我可以谈论他并嘲笑他。
Now I want peace, quiet.
现在我想要平静，安静。
I'm happy living by myself.
我一个人生活很开心。
Are you lonely, Sheldon?
你孤独吗，谢尔顿？
Sheldon Goldstein No.
谢尔顿·戈德斯坦 No.
No?
没有？
Jonathan Goldstein The last time my father saw my grandfather in full health, my dad was visiting from Canada.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦（Jonathan Goldstein） 我父亲最后一次见到完全健康的祖父是在我父亲从加拿大来探望我的时候。
My grandfather asked my father to drive him to the cemetery, to visit his parents' grave.
祖父让父亲开车送他去墓地，给父母扫墓。
And once there, my grandfather wept inconsolably.
一到那里，我的祖父就伤心地哭泣。
Later that day, he would succumb to a stroke, and shortly after, be moved to a nursing home.
那天晚些时候，他因中风去世，不久之后，他被转移到疗养院。
With Sheldon being more local, the burden of my grandfather's care fell mainly to Sheldon.
由于谢尔顿更加本地化，照顾祖父的负担主要落在了谢尔顿身上。
It seems like a lot of the family's burdens fell to Sheldon.
看起来家庭的很多负担都落在了谢尔顿身上。
They put a lot of the responsibility on him, that my dad should have been taking that responsibility.
他们给了他很多责任，我父亲应该承担这个责任。
And he shouldered that.
他承担了这个任务。
Who was going to take care of you?
谁来照顾你？
Who is going to take you to school?
谁送你去学校？
[INAUDIBLE].
[听不清]。
I remember one time I was late or something.
我记得有一次我迟到了。
You stood outside that school.
你站在那所学校外面。
You were crying.
你在哭。
I said, [INAUDIBLE], I'm here.
我说，[听不清]，我在这里。
I'm here.
我在这儿。
He was good to me.
他对我很好。
A lot of times, he was good to me.
很多时候，他对我很好。
Mean?
意思是？
You know, you were my older brother.
你知道，你是我的哥哥。
You used to knock the [BLEEP] out of me sometimes.
有时候你曾经让我感到[BLEEP]。
But you know, that's the way it is.
但你知道，事情就是这样。
We're brothers.
我们是兄弟。
Well, I was good in some ways.
嗯，我在某些方面做得很好。
Some ways, I was mean.
从某些方面来说，我很刻薄。
Well, who is not?
那么，谁不是呢？
Who is not?
谁不是？
Who is not?
谁不是？
So if you feel like you were compelled to see each other now, because you knew that it's a now-or-never thing, then it means that it was important to you both, right, to see each other?
因此，如果您觉得现在必须见面，因为您知道这是机不可失的事情，那么这意味着见面对你们俩都很重要，对吧？
You want to take that?
你想拿那个吗？
Buzz Goldstein Sure.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 当然。
Go ahead.
前进。
Buzz Goldstein It's an easy answer, yes.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 这是一个简单的答案，是的。
Yes, because we're not getting any younger.
是的，因为我们不再年轻了。
What's down the road?
路上有什么？
I'm 80, he's 85.
我80岁了，他85岁了。
I mean, because there was a lot of water under the bridge, and we want to close that bridge now.
我的意思是，因为桥下有很多水，我们现在想关闭那座桥。
I want to feel easy now.
我现在想要感觉轻松。
I want to say, now he's going to be 86, I want to call him on his birthday and say happy birthday to him now.
我想说，现在他已经86岁了，我现在就想在他生日的时候给他打电话，说生日快乐。
I'm going to stand in any [BLEEP] ceremonies anymore.
我将不再参加任何[BLEEP]仪式。
As my father speaks, as per his brother's example, dropping f-bombs like he's in it Guy Ritchie film, Sheldon keeps his arms crossed and his eyes shut tight.
当我父亲说话时，谢尔顿像他哥哥那样，像在盖·里奇的电影里那样骂脏话，谢尔顿双臂交叉，眼睛紧闭。
He's quiet for several seconds.
他沉默了几秒钟。
And then he reaches out to pet his cat.
然后他伸手抚摸他的猫。
Should I leave you the cat in my will if anything happens?
如果发生什么事，我应该把猫留在遗嘱里吗？
If anything happens, I'll take care of the cat.
如果发生什么事，我会照顾猫。
[LAUGHS] Buzz Goldstein I'll take care of the cat.
[笑]巴兹·戈德斯坦 我会照顾那只猫。
I'm happy I came to see you.
我很高兴能来看你。
That I am.
我就是这样。
I'm happy you came.
我很高兴你来了。
That's good, very good.
这很好，非常好。
[STREET TRAFFIC] Well, if you want to buy a house, that one is for sale over there.
[街道交通] 嗯，如果你想买房子，那里正在出售。
When it's time to leave, Sheldon walks us outside.
离开的时候，谢尔顿带我们出去。
But before we get into the rental, he points across the lawn to his neighbor's house.
但在我们进入出租屋之前，他指着草坪对面他邻居的房子。
He tells my father that it's for sale.
他告诉我父亲，它正在出售。
And then he tells him the asking price.
然后他告诉他要价。
And my father says, that doesn't sound bad at all.
我父亲说，这听起来一点也不坏。
And Sheldon says that, what, with Canada being so bloody cold, my father should consider moving to Florida.
谢尔顿说，加拿大这么冷，我父亲应该考虑搬到佛罗里达去。
And my father says, maybe he will.
我父亲说，也许他会的。
Water under the bridge.
桥下流水。
Buzz Goldstein Take care of yourself.
巴兹·戈德斯坦 照顾好自己。
You hear?
你听到了吗？
Take care.
小心。
You too.
你也是。
Safe trip, both of you's.
旅途平安，你们俩。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Thank you.
谢谢。
We'll speak.
我们会说话。
We'll speak.
我们会说话。
Jonathan Goldstein They don't get too emotional.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦：他们不会太情绪化。
They don't even hug goodbye.
他们甚至没有拥抱告别。
They just shake hands.
他们只是握手。
And with that, it feels like Buzz has forgiven Sheldon, and Sheldon has forgiven Buzz.
就这样，感觉巴兹已经原谅了谢尔顿，谢尔顿也原谅了巴兹。
Oh my god, I feel so different now.
天哪，我现在感觉很不一样。
You know that?
你知道吗？
I feel different, Jonny.
我感觉不一样了，乔尼。
I just feel so different.
我只是感觉很不同。
This has taken a lot off my shoulders.
这让我的肩膀减轻了很多。
You know?
你知道？
Jonathan Goldstein.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦。
This story was produced by Wendy Dorr, with some help Chris Neary.
这个故事由温迪·多尔 (Wendy Dorr) 制作，克里斯·尼尔里 (Chris Neary) 提供了一些帮助。
If you liked that story, there is more where that came from this week.
如果您喜欢这个故事，本周还有更多故事。
Jonathan is launching his new podcast.
乔纳森正在推出他的新播客。
It is called Heavyweight, from Gimlet Media.
它被称为重量级，来自 Gimlet Media。
I am super excited for this show.
我对这个节目感到非常兴奋。
Jonathan used to be one of our producers here.
乔纳森曾经是我们这里的制片人之一。
He hosted the show Wire Tap for years.
他多年主持节目《Wire Tap》。
If you are ready for this to become your new favorite podcast, you can download a new episode and a longer version of this story, right now, on iTunes, or wherever it is that you get your podcasts.
如果您准备好让它成为您最喜欢的新播客，您可以立即在 iTunes 上或任何您可以获取播客的地方下载该故事的新剧集和更长版本。
Our program was produced today by Robyn Semien.
今天我们的节目由罗宾·塞米恩 (Robyn Semien) 制作。
Our program is made by Elna Baker, Susan Burton, Zoe Chace, Dan Chivvis, Sean Cole, Neil Drumming, Karen Duffin, Emmanuel Dzotsi, Stephanie Foo, Damien Graef, Chana Joffe Walt, David Kestenbaum, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, Christopher Swetala, Matt Tierney, and Nancy Updike.
我们的节目由 Elna Baker、Susan Burton、Zoe Chace、Dan Chivvis、Sean Cole、Neil Drumming、Karen Duffin、Emmanuel Dzotsi、Stephanie Foo、Damien Graef、Chana Joffe Walt、David Kestenbaum、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar、Christopher Swetala、Matt Tierney 和 Nancy Updike 制作。
Special thanks today to Kiku Matsuo, Yuki Zaizen, Noriko Meek, Karin Jeffrey, John Matthews, Christine Fellows, Haley Shaw, and Lawrence Tassone.
今天特别感谢 Kiku Matsuo、Yuki Zaizen、Noriko Meek、Karin Jeffrey、John Matthews、Christine Fellows、Haley Shaw 和 Lawrence Tassone。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
He tells everybody he knows why I'm never chosen to ask questions at the presidential debates.
他告诉每个他知道为什么我从未被选中在总统辩论中提问的人。
You know, he asks the weirdest questions.
你知道，他问的问题都是最奇怪的。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Sheldon Goldstein What is he, a broad?
谢尔登·戈德斯坦 他是什么人，一个女人？
Back next week, with more stories of This American Life.
下周将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
[MUSIC PLAYING] (SINGING) Before I die, before I die, before I die-- Before I die, before I die, before I die.
[音乐播放]（唱歌）在我死之前，在我死之前，在我死之前——在我死之前，在我死之前，在我死之前。
Before I go, before I go, before I die-- Before I go-- Before I die--
在我走之前，在我走之前，在我死之前——在我走之前——在我死之前——
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。