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Prologue Ira Glass There's this guy who did this thing that's extraordinary.
序言 Ira Glass 这个人做了一件非同寻常的事情。
He tried to live like a badger.
他试图像獾一样生活。
And I say that in this wasn't a stunt, and he's not a crazy person.
我说这不是一个噱头，他也不是一个疯子。
This was a sincere, thoughtful attempt to figure something out.
这是一次真诚、深思熟虑的尝试，试图解决一些问题。
The guy's name is Charles Foster.
这个人的名字叫查尔斯·福斯特。
And his interest in this kind of thing really all began when he was a kid.
而他对这种事情的兴趣，真的是从小时候就开始了。
He says a blackbird used to come into his family's suburban backyard.
他说一只黑鸟曾经飞进他家郊区的后院。
And he would look at it through the window of his house and stare in its eye, and it would look back at him.
他会透过房子的窗户看着它，凝视它的眼睛，它也会回望他。
And he would think to himself, I know this backyard so well, but the bird knows stuff about it I don't.
他心里想，我对这个后院太熟悉了，但那只鸟却知道我不知道的事情。
The bird knows all kinds of things I don't.
这只鸟知道我不知道的各种事情。
And you write that you went to the library, reading everything you could on it.
你写道你去了图书馆，阅读了你能读到的所有内容。
You mapped all the nests in your area.
您绘制了您所在地区所有巢穴的地图。
And you would visit them every day.
你每天都会拜访他们。
And you took notes.
你记下了笔记。
You had a notebook where you were basically gathering your field notes.
你有一个笔记本，你基本上可以在其中收集你的现场笔记。
Yeah.
是的。
I was a fanatical note-taker, a fanatical mapper.
我是一个狂热的记笔记者，一个狂热的绘图者。
I did things which, no doubt, would sound really strange or macabre now.
毫无疑问，我所做的事情现在听起来确实很奇怪或令人毛骨悚然。
Like for instance, he taxidermied a dead blackbird he found.
例如，他对发现的一只死去的黑鸟进行了标本剥制。
As a kid, he did this.
小时候，他就这么做过。
Mounted with its wings outspread, and it dangled over my bed.
它展开翅膀，悬挂在我的床上。
I used to watch it circling as I went to sleep at night.
我晚上睡觉时常常看着它转圈。
Hm.
嗯。
Charles Foster So yeah.
查尔斯·福斯特 是的。
And also I pickled in formalin a blackbird's brain and put it in a jar, and I would sometimes go to bed holding it in my hand.
我还用福尔马林腌制了乌鸫的大脑，然后将其放入罐子中，有时我会手里拿着它去睡觉。
He'd peer into it the way that you do when you're a kid, imagining, hoping something of the bird would seep into him.
他会像小时候那样凝视它，想象着，希望鸟儿的某些东西会渗透到他的体内。
He'd fall asleep wishing he'd be a blackbird in his dreams.
他睡着了，希望自己在梦中是一只黑鸟。
And as an adult, his fascination with animals continued.
成年后，他对动物的迷恋仍在继续。
He became a veterinarian.
他成为一名兽医。
Can I ask, when you became a vet, was part of it because you wanted to get closer to animals?
我能问一下，当你成为一名兽医时，是因为你想更接近动物吗？
You wanted to understand them better?
您想更好地了解他们吗？
I felt that, by putting my hands physically on animals, by knowing how they worked as machines, I would understand better those really mystical questions which I posed myself as a child.
我觉得，通过将我的双手放在动物身上，通过了解它们作为机器如何工作，我会更好地理解我小时候向自己提出的那些真正神秘的问题。
Didn't work.
没用。
If anything, he says, understanding animals as machines took him even further from the thing he was interested in.
他说，如果说有什么不同的话，将动物理解为机器让他离自己感兴趣的事物更远了。
How do they perceive the world?
他们如何感知世界？
What do they know?
他们知道什么？
And so, as an adult, he began to venture out into the woods to try to live as different animals.
因此，作为一个成年人，他开始冒险进入树林，尝试像不同的动物一样生活。
He documented this in a book called Being a Beast .
他在一本名为《成为野兽》的书中记录了这一点。
The most interesting section in this book is his attempt to live like a badger.
这本书中最有趣的部分是他试图像獾一样生活。
Usually he would do this alone, though for a few days he went with his eight-year-old son, Tom.
通常他会独自做这件事，不过有几天他和他八岁的儿子汤姆一起去。
On a friend's farm, they made a human-sized badger home.
在朋友的农场里，他们建造了一只真人大小的獾之家。
This was a tunnel, 15-feet long, that they would sleep in.
这是一条 15 英尺长的隧道，他们就在里面睡觉。
Charles says he's probably spent six weeks living underground like this over the years, sleeping during the day, awake at night like real badgers.
查尔斯说，多年来他可能已经像这样在地下生活了六个星期，白天睡觉，晚上醒来，就像真正的獾一样。
And the main part of living like a badger was being low to the ground, crawling around on their hands and knees, which he knows how weird that sounds.
像獾一样生活的主要部分就是贴近地面，用手和膝盖爬行，他知道这听起来有多奇怪。
And they did something that's so simple but changes everything.
他们做了一些非常简单的事情，但却改变了一切。
Instead of using their eyes to get around-- badgers' eyesight is terrible-- they'd blindfold themselves and use their noses.
它们不会用眼睛四处走动——獾的视力很糟糕——而是蒙住自己的眼睛并用鼻子。
When you move your nose over a small area of the forest floor, just move it an inch and you get a completely different set of smells.
当你把鼻子移到森林地面的一小块区域时，只要移动一英寸，你就会闻到完全不同的气味。
The ground is much, much more interesting when you smell it than when you look at it.
当你闻到地面时，它比你看着它时要有趣得多。
And then everything changes when rain comes.
当雨来临时一切都会改变。
Just describe how different the entire place is when rain finally hits.
只要描述一下当雨终于来袭时整个地方有多么不同。
Rain unlocks scent.
雨水释放香气。
So there's a massive explosion for olfactory animals of the intensity of the place.
因此，对于这个地方的嗅觉动物来说，这里的强度会发生巨大的爆炸。
It was like the volume suddenly being turned on.
就像音量突然被打开一样。
And not just volume.
不仅仅是数量。
It was a better sort of music.
这是一种更好的音乐。
It was like switching to Mozart after you'd been having the piped music in the mall.
这就像在商场里听完管道音乐后切换到莫扎特。
It was incredibly exciting.
这真是太令人兴奋了。
He says it only took a few days for him and his son to be able to navigate the landscape in the woods blindfolded, using only their noses.
他说，他和儿子只花了几天时间就能够蒙着眼睛，仅用鼻子在树林里导航。
Oak trees were good landmarks, he says, because surprisingly, they all smell different from each other.
他说，橡树是很好的地标，因为令人惊讶的是，它们的气味都不同。
I asked him to read this passage from the book describing what the oak smelled like on those outings.
我让他读一下书中的这段话，描述了那些郊游时橡树的气味。
"Out of the tunnel, turn right.
“出隧道后右转。
15 yards; raw tobacco, mostly Turkish; straight on.
15码；生烟草，主要是土耳其烟草；直接。
After half a minute, wall of limes and sick in front."
半分钟后，前面出现了石灰墙，令人恶心。”
"If I had to pick one word for the badger's experience, it would be 'intimate.' Grass and bracken stems brush your face.
“如果我必须用一个词来形容獾的经历，那就是‘亲密’。草和蕨茎拂过你的脸。
When you're forcing a new path, the stems graze.
当你强行开辟一条新路时，茎就会吃草。
Water shudders off grass into your eyes.
水从草上流进你的眼睛。
Things slide away.
事情就这样溜走了。
We bustled and grunted and elbowed and pushed and pressed our noses into the ground.
我们忙忙碌碌，咕哝着，用肘部推搡，把鼻子按在地上。
And even we smelled something-- the citrusy piss of the voles; the distantly maritime tang of a slug trail, like a winter rock pool; the sharp musk of a weasel; the blunter musk of an otter."
甚至我们还闻到了某种东西——田鼠的柑橘味尿；远处的蛞蝓踪迹带有海洋气息，就像冬天的岩石池；黄鼠狼尖锐的麝香；水獭的钝麝香。”
It got to the point where his eight-year-old son one day declared, I can smell mice, and then he headed off into the distance and found-- OK, not mice, but another kind of rodent-- bank voles.
有一天，他八岁的儿子宣称，我能闻到老鼠的味道，然后他向远处走去，发现了——好吧，不是老鼠，而是另一种啮齿动物——银行田鼠。
I can't talk about this book without having Charles Foster read one more excerpt.
如果没有查尔斯·福斯特（Charles Foster）再读一段摘录，我就无法谈论这本书。
Badgers eat earthworms, so he felt compelled to at least try them.
獾吃蚯蚓，所以他觉得有必要至少尝试一下。
And he tried a bunch, from all over.
他从各地尝试了很多。
He would put them into his mouth alive and feel them try to escape by wriggling through the gaps in his teeth, and then he'd bite.
他会把它们活生生地放进嘴里，感觉它们试图从牙齿缝隙中蠕动而逃脱，然后他就会咬住。
"Earthworms taste of slime and the land.
“蚯蚓有粘液和土地的味道。
Worms from Chablis have a long, mineral finish.
夏布利 (Chablis) 的蠕虫具有悠长的矿物质余味。
Worms from Picardy are musty; they taste of decay and splintered wood.
来自皮卡第的蠕虫发霉了；它们有腐烂和碎木头的味道。
Worms from the high Kent Weald are fresh and uncomplicated; they'd appear in the list recommended with a grilled sole.
来自肯特威尔德高地的蠕虫新鲜且简单；它们会出现在推荐的烤鞋底列表中。
About 85% of an average badger's diet is earthworms.
蚯蚓占獾平均饮食的 85%。
This fact both drains badgers of some of their charisma and makes them excitingly inaccessible."
这一事实既耗尽了獾的一些魅力，又让它们变得令人兴奋地难以接近。”
Are those real flavors that you're describing, or are you just riffing on different potential tastes of the worms of Chablis?
您所描述的这些是真正的口味，还是您只是在重复夏布利酒蠕虫的不同潜在口味？
And then sometimes you would eat them raw and sometimes cooked?
然后有时你会生吃它们有时会煮熟？
Yeah.
是的。
And I recommend, if anyone wants to do this, that they cook them and they have them with garlic.
我建议，如果有人想这样做，他们可以将它们煮熟并与大蒜一起食用。
Charles Foster isn't just a veterinarian.
查尔斯·福斯特不仅仅是一名兽医。
He's also a practicing lawyer, and he teaches at Oxford University in England.
他也是一名执业律师，并在英国牛津大学任教。
And when he writes about the question that is at the heart of his interest with animals-- the question, what can we really understand about an animal's experience-- he parses what we can and cannot know with a lawyer's precision.
当他写到他对动物感兴趣的核心问题时——我们能真正理解动物的经历什么——他以律师的精确度解析了我们能知道什么和不能知道什么。
He is meticulous.
他很细心。
And he has thought about this a lot.
他对此思考了很多。
He says, of course we can't know what animals think, how they conceive of themselves, how they conceive of the world.
他说，我们当然无法知道动物在想什么，它们如何看待自己，如何看待世界。
We can't really know what they feel.
我们无法真正知道他们的感受。
But with many animals, he says, we can know their physical experience because we share so much physiology with so many animals-- our limbs and eyes and noses and mouths and the way our nerves work.
但他说，对于许多动物来说，我们可以了解它们的身体体验，因为我们与许多动物有很多共同的生理机能——我们的四肢、眼睛、鼻子和嘴巴，以及我们的神经的工作方式。
And that's why he tried to live like animals live.
这就是为什么他试图像动物一样生活。
Putting his own body, his own physiology, into a badger's landscape seemed like his best chance of getting a tiny glimpse of what it might feel like to be a badger.
将自己的身体、自己的生理机能置于獾的环境中，似乎是他了解獾的感觉的最佳机会。
What are the moments that you feel like you got closest to the thing you were seeking?
你觉得自己最接近你所寻求的东西的时刻是什么？
There was the moment of-- there was the moment when I said to myself, there's a tree there because there's the smell of a tree, rather than there's a tree there because I looked at it last Thursday and I know that it should be.
有那么一刻，有那么一刻，我对自己说，那里有一棵树，因为那里有树的气味，而不是那里有一棵树，因为我上周四看着它，我知道它应该是这样。
Mostly this did not work.
大多数情况下这不起作用。
He's the first to point that out.
他是第一个指出这一点的人。
As soon as he would stand up and see the world again with his head 6 feet in the air, it all went away.
当他站起来，头高出六英尺再次看世界时，一切都消失了。
The visual world reasserted itself.
视觉世界再次显现出来。
His head filled with thoughts that a badger would never think.
他的脑子里充满了獾绝对不会想到的想法。
But I could understand why he gave so many years to this project, even though he knew all along it was such a long shot.
但我可以理解为什么他花了这么多年的时间来完成这个项目，尽管他一直都知道这是一个渺茫的机会。
It's too exciting to leave yourself and try to be something so different.
离开自己并尝试变得如此不同，这太令人兴奋了。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life .
嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这是《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, Becoming a Badger.
今天我们的节目《成为獾》。
We have two stories for you about trying to become something you are not.
我们为您准备了两个故事，讲述如何努力成为自己所不是的人。
One of these stories is about a guy from France.
其中一个故事是关于一个法国人的。
One is about a dog.
其中一个是关于一只狗的。
In each of the stories, they set out to become different from what they are, and they do it by just jumping into the new identity, into the new thing they want to be, pretending to be that thing, and hoping it sticks.
在每个故事中，他们都开始变得与自己不同，他们只是跳入新的身份，进入他们想成为的新事物，假装是那个东西，并希望它能坚持下去。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
So I heard about this guy.
所以我听说了这个人。
His name is Gad Elmaleh, and he's basically the most famous stand-up comedian in France.
他的名字叫加德·埃尔马莱 (Gad Elmaleh)，他基本上是法国最著名的单口喜剧演员。
He plays arenas in France.
他在法国打竞技场。
He gets mobbed everywhere by fans and paparazzi, yadda, yadda.
他到处都被粉丝和狗仔队包围，呀呀呀呀。
Yadda, yadda's actually appropriate.
亚达，亚达实际上很合适。
Gad is known as the Jerry Seinfeld of France.
加德被誉为法国的杰里·宋飞 (Jerry Seinfeld)。
Just to give you a sense, this is the beginning of one of his most popular concert videos.
只是为了让您感觉一下，这是他最受欢迎的音乐会视频之一的开始。
It's from 2010.
这是从2010年开始的。
[MUSIC - "DON'T STOP 'TIL YOU GET ENOUGH" BY MICHAEL JACKSON]
[音乐 - 迈克尔·杰克逊的《不要停止，直到你够了》]
[CROWD SCREAMING] Yes, that's a Michael Jackson song they got the rights to.
[人群尖叫]是的，这是他们获得版权的迈克尔·杰克逊歌曲。
Gad does this rock star thing where his silhouette hits the stage before he does, and then his silhouette dances around to the music, tantalizing the crowd until the spotlight hits him.
加德做了摇滚明星般的表演，他的剪影先于他登上舞台，然后他的剪影随着音乐跳舞，吸引着人群，直到聚光灯照射到他身上。
Bonsoir!
晚安！
Ira Glass Here's how famous he is.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 这就是他的名气。
His initial jokes are about being famous-- how freaked out his fans get, meeting somebody as famous as he is.
他最初的笑话是关于出名的——他的粉丝见到像他这样出名的人是多么害怕。
But about a year ago, Gad embarked on this quest.
但大约一年前，盖德开始了这一探索。
He decided he was going to try to make it as a successful comic here in America in English.
他决定尝试在美国用英语将其打造成一部成功的漫画。
This is an incredibly difficult and totally unnecessary thing for anybody to try to do.
对于任何人来说，这都是一件极其困难且完全没有必要的事情。
In France, everybody knows Gad Elmaleh.
在法国，每个人都知道加德·埃尔马莱 (Gad Elmaleh)。
It's going great for him.
这对他来说非常棒。
And he's giving all that up to start again at the bottom, doing small clubs and venues.
他放弃了这一切，从底层开始，在小型俱乐部和场地重新开始。
He has to reinvent how he does his whole job.
他必须重新发明他的整个工作方式。
And he's struggling.
他正在挣扎。
It's simultaneously audacious and very humble.
它既大胆又非常谦虚。
I have to say, I'm kind of a sucker for somebody who decides to do something really hard that nobody wants but them just because they can't help themselves.
我不得不说，对于那些决定做一些除了他们之外没有人愿意的非常困难的事情的人来说，我有点傻，只是因为他们无法帮助自己。
And that is what this is.
这就是这个。
And what is funny in France to French people, you will not be surprised to hear, is not the same as what is funny in English to American people.
法国人对法国人来说有趣的事情，你不会感到惊讶，这与美国人对英语来说有趣的事情不一样。
So to succeed at this, Gad has to understand the exact contours of what is different between the sense of humor of these two entirely different countries while he's on stage.
因此，为了成功做到这一点，盖德必须在舞台上了解这两个完全不同的国家的幽默感之间的差异的确切轮廓。
He has to do this live while trying to entertain paying customers.
他必须一边直播一边努力招待付费顾客。
Reporter Zack McDermott is the one who first told us about Gad.
记者扎克·麦克德莫特是第一个告诉我们有关盖德的人。
Zack is a comedy nerd and a former stand-up himself.
扎克是一位喜剧迷，他本人也曾经是一名单口相声演员。
He takes the story from here.
他从这里开始讲述这个故事。
The only reason I know who Gad Elmaleh is is because of my wife.
我知道 Gad Elmaleh 是谁的唯一原因是因为我的妻子。
She's Belgian.
她是比利时人。
I'll call her Aurelie because, although we've been married for three years, I still can't pronounce her name right.
我会叫她 Aurelie，因为虽然我们已经结婚三年了，但我仍然不能正确发音她的名字。
Aurelie.
奥蕾莉.
Zack McDermott Anyway.
不管怎样，扎克·麦克德莫特。
For her, Gad Elmaleh was a household name growing up.
对她来说，加德·艾尔马莱 (Gad Elmaleh) 是她成长过程中家喻户晓的名字。
And you know, it's funny because there are a few of his jokes that are so famous that if you say one sentence, everybody knows that you're referring to him.
你知道，这很有趣，因为他的一些笑话非常有名，如果你说一句话，每个人都知道你指的是他。
I thought about that.
我想到了这一点。
There is something about learning English, and the sentence Brian is in the kitchen--
有一些关于学习英语的事情，布莱恩在厨房里这句话——
It's a routine he does about learning English as a kid and the random phrases he had to repeat over and over again, like, where is Brian?
这是他小时候学习英语的惯例，他必须一遍又一遍地重复随机短语，比如，布莱恩在哪里？
Where is Brian?
布莱恩在哪里？
[FRENCH], Brian is in the kitchen.
[法语]，布莱恩在厨房里。
[LAUGHTER] Aurelie I mean, I remember my friends, when I was maybe like 15, 16, or maybe a little older-- everybody was saying that.
[笑声] Aurelie，我的意思是，我记得我的朋友们，当我大概 15 岁、16 岁或者更大一点的时候——每个人都这么说。
It's like, what is it in English?
就像，英语怎么说？
Like, that's what she said.
好像，她就是这么说的。
It's like that.
就是这样。
Everybody says that.
每个人都这么说。
That's my producer, Sean Cole, by the way.
顺便说一句，这是我的制片人肖恩·科尔。
You'll be hearing his voice a bit, too, as we go.
当我们走的时候，你也会听到一点他的声音。
So Aurelie was really excited when Gad moved to New York and started doing shows here.
因此，当盖德搬到纽约并开始在这里演出时，奥雷莉非常兴奋。
She drug me to a couple of them, including a very early gig last September at a performance space called Joe's Pub.
她让我去参加了其中的几个演出，其中包括去年九月在一个名为 Joe's Pub 的表演场所进行的一场早期演出。
It's not a bar.
这不是酒吧。
It's kind of a highbrow New York Cabaret space, and it's cozy.
这是一种高雅的纽约歌舞表演空间，而且很舒适。
Seats less than 200.
座位数不足200人。
Even just seeing him in such a small venue, it's such a treat.
即使只是在这么小的场地见到他，也是一种享受。
And it's like, wow, how lucky French people are.
这就像，哇，法国人多么幸运。
You're like, that's great.
你说，那太好了。
You feel like VIP.
你感觉自己像 VIP。
Aurelie You really do, yeah.
奥雷莉 你确实如此，是的。
It's like seeing Neil Young play at a bar or something.
这就像在酒吧或其他地方看尼尔·杨（Neil Young）演奏一样。
Joe's Pub is now proud to present Gad Elmaleh.
Joe's Pub 现在自豪地向您介绍 Gad Elmaleh。
[APPLAUSE] Zack McDermott This was, hands down, the best-looking and best-dressed crowd for a comedy show I've ever seen.
[掌声] 扎克·麦克德莫特 毫无疑问，这是我见过的喜剧表演中最漂亮、穿着最好的一群人。
So many scarves.
这么多围巾。
Such tight jeans.
这么紧身的牛仔裤。
The women looked great, too.
女人们看起来也很棒。
The room was mostly French, with some Moroccan fans spackled in, as well.
房间里大部分都是法国人，也有一些摩洛哥球迷。
Gad's ethnically Moroccan, and he grew up there, so most of the room knew his French act.
加德是摩洛哥人，他在那里长大，所以房间里的大多数人都知道他的法国表演。
Is he really gonna do this in English?
他真的会用英语做这件事吗？
Yeah!
是的！
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
I don't know why I'm doing this.
我不知道我为什么要这样做。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I don't know.
我不知道。
The first thing you notice about Gad is that he's got incredible stage presence.
关于盖德，您首先注意到的就是他令人难以置信的舞台表现力。
And he's a very physical comedian.
他是一位肢体动作非常丰富的喜剧演员。
One minute he's all elegance and grace, the next he chimps up his face and flops around.
前一分钟他还很优雅，下一分钟他就抬起头来，扑倒在地。
His English act is basically observational comedy, including a lot of outsiders' impressions of America and, specifically, New York.
他的英国表演基本上是观察喜剧，包括很多局外人对美国，特别是纽约的印象。
For instance, he says he likes to ask directions of Americans because they always include Starbucks.
例如，他说他喜欢向美国人问路，因为他们总是包括星巴克。
You want to go straight, then there's a Starbucks on your left.
你想直走，那么你左边就有一家星巴克。
You make a right.
你做对了。
The next block there's two Starbucks.
下一个街区有两家星巴克。
You make another right.
你又做了一个权利。
There's another block with another one Starbucks.
另一个街区还有一家星巴克。
Make a left at the other block.
在另一个街区左转。
There's no Starbucks, so don't panic.
没有星巴克，所以不要惊慌。
[LAUGHTER] Asking directions in France is different.
[笑声] 在法国问路是不同的。
And this bleeds into another staple of his show, which I'll call, Americans be like this, French people be like that.
这融入了他节目的另一个主要内容，我称之为，美国人是这样的，法国人是这样的。
Here's a joke about shopping in New York and this one, over-the-top, earnest sales guy.
这是一个关于在纽约购物和这个过分认真的销售人员的笑话。
And he told me something you'll never hear in France.
他告诉了我一些你在法国永远不会听到的事情。
Let me double check.
让我仔细检查一下。
In France, we don't even have single-check!
在法国，我们甚至没有单一支票！
You can tell from response in the room that this isn't exactly an away game for Gad.
从房间里的反应中你可以看出，这并不完全是加德的客场比赛。
The French and Moroccan folks in the audience love him unconditionally, but even here, in front of the friendliest possible crowd, it's a rough show.
观众中的法国人和摩洛哥人无条件地爱他，但即使在这里，在最友好的人群面前，这也是一场艰难的表演。
There are jokes that just don't go anywhere.
有些笑话是无处可去的。
A friend of mine, he said, I am a fundamentalist atheist--
我的一个朋友，他说，我是一个原教旨主义无神论者——
A fundamentalist atheist.
原教旨主义无神论者。
Gad Elmaleh I said, what the [BLEEP] is that?
我说 Gad Elmaleh，那是什么[BLEEP]？
It's like if you're ordering a triple-shot espresso, but decaf.
就像您点的是三杯浓缩咖啡，但不含咖啡因。
I like this one, but I will have to work on it.
我喜欢这个，但我还得努力。
He said this a few times.
这句话他说了好几次了。
OK.
好的。
I have to work on that joke.
我必须努力解决这个笑话。
He had a notepad on his stool, and he'd occasionally jot down which jokes worked and which didn't.
他的凳子上有一个记事本，他偶尔会记下哪些笑话有效，哪些无效。
It's OK.
没关系。
Let's be humble tonight.
今晚我们要保持谦虚。
It's a work in progress.
这是一项正在进行的工作。
More work than progress, but it's OK.
工作多于进步，但没关系。
He's done other gigs in front of audiences that don't know him where he bombed.
他还在不知道他在哪里失败的观众面前做过其他演出。
It's something that just doesn't happen to him in France these days.
如今在法国，这样的事情已经不会发生在他身上了。
Imagine doing something 5,000 times, and on the 5,001st time, you suck.
想象一下，做某事 5,000 次，而在第 5,001 次时，你表现得很糟糕。
It's not a good feeling.
这感觉不太好。
That feeling like if you wear a sweater and you're all wet on your body right after the shower.
那种感觉就像你刚洗完澡，穿着毛衣，身上就湿透了。
And you put the-- agh, eugh, algh.
然后你把——啊，呃，呃。
You just want to hide.
你只是想躲起来。
Yeah, I bombed some nights.
是的，我有几个晚上都崩溃了。
To be honest, I had so many moments where I was, oh my god, how am I gonna do this?
说实话，我有很多时候都在想，天哪，我该怎么办？
I had so many moments writing, crafting last-minute jokes in front of a club, alone, and like, what am I doing?
我有很多时刻写作，在俱乐部前制作最后一刻的笑话，独自一人，然后想，我在做什么？
Good question.
好问题。
Why is he doing this?
他为什么要这么做？
Onstage, he jokes that he's doing it because he needed to challenge himself, which is only partly a joke.
在舞台上，他开玩笑说他这样做是因为他需要挑战自己，这只是一个玩笑。
In France, he's reached this weird level of fame where his fans laugh at everything.
在法国，他的名气达到了这种奇怪的程度，他的粉丝们对一切都嗤之以鼻。
He told me it doesn't matter what he says anymore.
他告诉我他说什么已经不重要了。
With the people who know me, it's like, oh, heh.
对于认识我的人来说，就像，哦，呵呵。
They always some, heh.
他们总有一些，呵呵。
And I don't like that.
我不喜欢这样。
They kind of give you a pass.
他们有点给你通行证。
Gad Elmaleh Yeah.
加德·艾尔马莱 是的。
It's not satisfying, he says.
他说，这并不令人满意。
It's too easy.
这太容易了。
But working here-- it's hard again, and that's what he likes about it.
但在这里工作——又很辛苦，而这正是他喜欢的地方。
I'm excited.
我很兴奋。
I wake up in the morning.
我早上醒来。
I can't wait for the night to perform exactly like it was 20 years ago when I began doing stand-up in France because it was new.
我迫不及待地想看到今晚的表演，就像 20 年前我开始在法国做单口喜剧一样，因为它是新的。
Like everything, you know?
就像一切一样，你知道吗？
Like relationship.
喜欢关系。
Like a gum, you know?
就像口香糖一样，你知道吗？
Gum-- you just put it in your mouth.
口香糖——你只要把它放进嘴里就可以了。
It's full of sugar.
里面全是糖。
This is now.
这是现在。
Is that what happened in France?
这是在法国发生的事情吗？
There was no more sugar in your gum?
你的口香糖里已经没有糖了吗？
No more sugar in my gum.
我的口香糖里不再有糖了。
So we need to bring back the sugar in our gum.
所以我们需要恢复口香糖中的糖分。
But Gad's friend Dan Naturman believes there's another reason Gad wants to make it in English.
但加德的朋友丹·纳图曼认为加德想要用英语制作还有另一个原因。
Dan's one of the few comics who's gone the other direction.
丹是少数几个反其道而行之的漫画家之一。
He's an American who sometimes performs in French-- in Paris and Montreal.
他是美国人，有时在巴黎和蒙特利尔用法语表演。
For any French comic-- and I've spent enough time talking to them-- they don't feel like they've conquered comedy until they've conquered America, because this is perceived as the home of stand-up comedy.
对于任何法国喜剧演员来说——我花了足够多的时间与他们交谈——他们在征服美国之前不会觉得自己已经征服了喜剧，因为美国被认为是单口喜剧的发源地。
You ask a French comic, who are your idols, you're more likely to hear Louis CK, Chris Rock.
你问一位法国喜剧演员，你的偶像是谁，你更有可能听到Louis CK、Chris Rock。
So in that sense, he feels like, OK.
所以从这个意义上说，他觉得，好吧。
I did well in France, but am I really a great comedian if I haven't conquered America?
我在法国表现不错，但如果我没有征服美国，我真的是一个伟大的喜剧演员吗？
I think he's somewhat insecure in that regard.
我认为他在这方面有些缺乏安全感。
I think, deep in his heart, he's saying, but I'm not Louis CK.
我想，在他内心深处，他是这么说的，但我不是路易斯·CK。
I'm not Seinfeld.
我不是宋飞。
I want to be those guys, or as close as I can get.
我想成为那些人，或者尽可能接近他们。
And the only way to do that is to come here.
而做到这一点的唯一方法就是来这里。
Can he get there?
他能到达那里吗？
Dan Naturman It's gonna be a rough one, isn't it?
丹·纳图曼（Dan Naturman） 这将是一场艰难的比赛，不是吗？
We played a recording of that quote for Gad.
我们为加德播放了这句话的录音。
It's not easy to hear, but it doesn't hurt.
虽然听起来不太容易，但也没什么坏处。
Is it true?
这是真的吗？
Gad Elmaleh Yeah, it's true.
加德·艾尔马莱 是的，确实如此。
Because if you're a great soccer player in America, you want to be with the Real de Madrid.
因为如果你是美国一名伟大的足球运动员，你就会想加入皇家马德里。
You want to be with Barcelona.
你想和巴塞罗那在一起。
You want to be with Bayern de Munich.
你想为拜仁慕尼黑效力。
You want to be with Arsenal.
你想和阿森纳在一起。
Yet someone who wants to connect with an American audience might choose a different analogy, but you get the point.
然而，想要与美国观众建立联系的人可能会选择不同的类比，但你明白了。
Early on in this whole adventure, Gad made a documentary for French TV about moving to the States.
在整个冒险的早期，盖德为法国电视台制作了一部关于移居美国的纪录片。
In one scene, the French Jerry Seinfeld is sitting at a restaurant with one of the few people who understands exactly how difficult it will be to make it in America-- the American Jerry Seinfeld.
在一个场景中，法国人杰里·宋飞 (Jerry Seinfeld) 坐在一家餐馆里，旁边坐着的人是为数不多的几个清楚在美国取得成功有多么困难的人之一——美国人杰里·宋飞 (Jerry Seinfeld)。
They're friends.
他们是朋友。
Let me tell you.
让我告诉你。
Let me explain this to you.
让我向你解释一下。
The comedian-- the stand-up comedian-- was invented in America.
喜剧演员——单口喜剧演员——是在美国发明的。
Yeah.
是的。
Jerry Seinfeld It was invented in America.
杰里·宋飞 (Jerry Seinfeld) 它是在美国发明的。
So you're surprised that I came to America to do this?
所以你对我来美国做这件事感到惊讶吗？
I get what you're doing.
我明白你在做什么。
It's like, I want to go build a car, but I want to build it in Germany.
就像，我想去制造一辆汽车，但我想在德国制造它。
OK.
好的。
Jerry Seinfeld And people say, really?
杰里·宋飞 人们说，真的吗？
In Germany?
在德国？
Then I'm going to go to Italy, and I'm gonna open up a pasta factory.
然后我要去意大利，开一家面食工厂。
And then I'm going to go to France.
然后我要去法国。
I want to make wine.
我想酿酒。
OK.
好的。
Jerry Seinfeld All right?
杰瑞·宋飞 好吧？
And then I'm going to England, and I'm going to write some plays.
然后我要去英国，我要写一些剧本。
OK.
好的。
Jerry Seinfeld Right?
杰瑞·宋飞 对吗？
And then I'm going to go to America, and I'm going to do stand-up comedy.
然后我要去美国，我要做单口喜剧。
Yeah, so-- Jerry Seinfeld Those people are used to the best.
是的，所以——杰里宋飞那些人习惯了最好的。
I'm with you.
我和你在一起。
Jerry Seinfeld So if it was me-- honestly, if it was me and I had what you had in France, I would just--
杰瑞·宋飞 所以，如果是我——老实说，如果是我，而且我拥有你们在法国拥有的一切，我就会——
You would stay.
你会留下来。
Jerry Seinfeld I'm good.
杰瑞·宋飞 我很好。
But I admire your ambition.
但我很佩服你的野心。
I admire it.
我很佩服。
I admire that.
我很欣赏这一点。
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
是的。
You have to be comfortable that it's going to hurt.
你必须感到舒服，因为它会受伤。
Zack McDermott This isn't the first unlikely quest Gad's embarked on.
扎克·麦克德莫特 这并不是盖德开始的第一个看似不可能的任务。
He's one of the people who brought stand-up comedy to France.
他是将单口喜剧带到法国的人之一。
Amazingly, it didn't exist there at all until about 15 years ago.
令人惊讶的是，直到大约 15 年前，它才在那里根本不存在。
Gad says they had no comedy clubs.
加德说他们没有喜剧俱乐部。
Before then, he was a kind of entertainer that doesn't really exist here.
在此之前，他是一种在这里并不存在的艺人。
He did these theatrical one-man shows, playing all sorts of characters, singing songs.
他表演这些戏剧性的独角戏，扮演各种角色，唱歌。
But at some point, he became obsessed with the American style of comedy and started addressing his audience directly, telling them jokes just like we do here in the States-- in other words, stand-up.
但在某个时候，他开始迷恋美国风格的喜剧，并开始直接向观众讲话，给他们讲笑话，就像我们在美国所做的那样——换句话说，就是单口喜剧。
It was so new.
太新了。
People were like, oh, wow.
人们就像，哦，哇。
What is this?
这是什么？
He's talking to us.
他正在和我们说话。
They were not used to it.
他们不习惯。
No pigeon, no rope, no hats, no wigs.
没有鸽子，没有绳子，没有帽子，没有假发。
You're not being metaphorical.
你这不是比喻。
There were actual pigeons and ropes and wigs in your act before?
你之前的表演中确实有鸽子、绳子和假发吗？
No. Sean Cole You are being metaphorical?
不，肖恩·科尔（Sean Cole）你是在比喻吗？
Yeah.
是的。
It is just because this is how American comedians make fun of me sometimes.
只是因为美国喜剧演员有时就是这样取笑我的。
Like, oh, how is your show in France?
就像，哦，你在法国的演出怎么样？
Do you do mime and have like a pigeon and magic tricks?
你会表演哑剧、像鸽子一样表演魔术吗？
Because this is the stereotype.
因为这是刻板印象。
And if I want to talk about the stereotype we have on American comedians, I would say a guy standing up who doesn't move at all with a mic, a little depressed, and say jokes, jokes, jokes, jokes, jokes.
如果我想谈谈我们对美国喜剧演员的刻板印象，我会说一个拿着麦克风站着一动不动的人，有点沮丧，说笑话，笑话，笑话，笑话，笑话。
But his French act is still very different from an American stand-up act.
但他的法国表演与美国的单口喜剧表演仍然有很大不同。
In his hour-plus long French specials, he plays piano and guitar and beats on his guitar like a bongo.
在他长达一个多小时的法国特别节目中，他弹奏钢琴和吉他，并像邦戈鼓一样敲击吉他。
And there are special guests.
还有特殊的客人。
It's a boogaloo of a production-- everything but the pigeons.
这是一部糟糕的作品——除了鸽子之外什么都没有。
He tells a couple stories about his kid.
他讲了几个关于他孩子的故事。
He's got two-- one with Grace Kelly's granddaughter.
他有两个孩子——其中一个是格蕾丝·凯利的孙女。
He does a lot of observational humor.
他有很多观察性幽默。
But he's 10 times more physical in his French act.
但在他的法式表演中，他的身体素质要高出十倍。
He's practically performing the scene.
他实际上正在表演这个场景。
[SPEAKING FRENCH] Zack McDermott He's saying on an airplane, when they hand out little towelettes that smell good, you're like, yeah!
[说法语]扎克·麦克德莫特（Zack McDermott）他在飞机上说，当他们分发闻起来很香的小毛巾时，你会说，是啊！
I'm going to live the moment.
我要活在当下。
Then he sits in a chair and acts out the part of an ecstatic passenger.
然后他坐在椅子上，扮演一个欣喜若狂的乘客。
Zack McDermott So how do you translate that into American?
扎克·麦克德莫特 那么你如何将其翻译成美语呢？
Gad says you can't.
加德说你不能。
I immediately, very quickly, realized that translating my French jokes into English was not the thing to do-- the good thing to do.
我立即、很快地意识到，将我的法语笑话翻译成英语并不是正确的做法，而是正确的做法。
And failed-- kind of spectacularly, in some cases.
但失败了——在某些情况下，失败得相当惊人。
A lot of the stuff in his French act just doesn't travel well.
他的法国表演中的很多东西都传播不畅。
Only a couple bits survived.
只有少数幸存下来。
He had to drop all the jokes about people freaking out when they meet him because he's so famous.
他不得不放弃所有关于人们见到他时都惊慌失措的笑话，因为他太出名了。
Then there's the stuff he had to drop because of the obvious cultural barriers, or because of the vagaries of either language.
然后，由于明显的文化障碍，或者由于两种语言的变幻莫测，他不得不放弃一些东西。
For instance, he had this joke.
例如，他有一个笑话。
He's mortified talking about it now, but it was about a common expression in French.
他现在谈论这件事感到羞愧，但这是法语中的一个常见表达方式。
French people, when someone breaks into their house, they say, je me sens violee.
法国人，当有人闯入他们的房子时，他们会说，je me sens violee。
I feel like I've been violated.
我感觉自己被侵犯了。
Except the word "violee" in French also means rape.
除了“violee”这个词在法语中也有强奸的意思。
But in French, it's not as shocking as rape.
但在法语中，这并不像强奸那么令人震惊。
So I didn't know that.
所以我不知道。
So what I said-- I said, you know what guys?
所以我说的是——我说，你们知道吗？
We have an expression.
我们有一个表达。
When people get burglarized, they say, I felt I was raped.
他们说，当人们被盗窃时，我感觉自己被强奸了。
[GASP] And it was like terrible, like ice, like silence.
[喘息] 这就像可怕的，像冰，像沉默。
And I was like, oh my god.
我当时想，天啊。
What did I say?
我说什么了？
I should not say that.
我不应该这么说。
Zack McDermott Gad's next challenge, he had to recalibrate the pacing of his entire act.
扎克·麦克德莫特·盖德面临的下一个挑战是，他必须重新调整整个表演的节奏。
Turns out, comedy in France is like everything in France-- laid back, laissez-faire.
事实证明，法国的喜剧就像法国的一切一样——悠闲、自由。
They kind of ease into jokes the way they take a long time to eat dinner.
他们喜欢开玩笑，就像他们花很长时间吃晚饭一样。
He actually has a joke about that.
他实际上有一个关于这个的笑话。
Whereas in America--
而在美国——
The structure of the phrases are shorter and sharper-- sharper?
短语的结构更短、更清晰——更清晰？
So what I've been doing every day is cutting the fat.
所以我每天都在做的就是减脂。
I remember, when I first started to do the clubs, I was-- oh my god.
我记得，当我第一次开始做俱乐部的时候，我是——天哪。
I had long setups.
我有很长的设置。
OK.
好的。
So I-- yeah.
所以我——是的。
I was walking, and I said, I'm going to go to that store, so I went to that store.
我一边走，一边说，我要去那家商店，所以我就去了那家商店。
And the guy came up to me and said-- oh, my god.
那个人走过来对我说——哦，天啊。
And I was with some friends-- like good friends-- and they said, Gad, stop that.
我和一些朋友在一起——就像好朋友一样——他们说，加德，别再这样了。
Just go right away.
马上就走吧。
This guy in a store told me this.
店里的一个人告诉我的。
I thought he was-- boom, boom, bam, bheem.
我以为他是——嘭、嘭、嘭、嘭。
Punchline.
妙语。
That's it.
就是这样。
Stop with the whole pigeon thing.
别再说鸽子的事情了。
The hardest part of this whole endeavor is maybe what you'd guess-- the language.
整个努力中最困难的部分也许就是你猜的那样——语言。
Gad's made a lot of progress since learning how to say Brian is in the kitchen as a kid.
自从小时候学会说“布莱恩在厨房里”以来，盖德已经取得了很大进步。
But after a few hours of speaking English, even just to us, Gad's exhausted.
但在讲了几个小时的英语之后，即使只是对我们来说，盖德也筋疲力尽了。
He says his brain turns to mush, and he just wants to speak French.
他说他的大脑变得一团糟，他只想说法语。
And a huge part of Gad's quest to become an American comedian is hard core language training.
加德想要成为一名美国喜剧演员，其中很大一部分就是硬核语言训练。
So much of comedy is about timing.
喜剧的大部分内容都是关于时机的。
If you're off by a beat or a syllable, you murder the joke.
如果你差一个节拍或一个音节，你就毁掉了这个笑话。
The joke is dead.
笑话死了。
So Gad's working with a language coach several times a week, dissecting his jokes, phrase by phrase, and syllable by syllable.
因此，盖德每周都会与一位语言教练一起工作几次，逐个短语、逐个音节地剖析他的笑话。
Last night I did the American dream thing.
昨晚我做了美国梦。
Yep.
是的。
Gad Elmaleh And it was very hard.
Gad Elmaleh 这非常困难。
They didn't get it.
他们不明白。
We sat in on Gad's session with his tutor, Julia Lenardon, in Gad's crash pad, i.e., a massive luxury apartment in Tribeca.
我们在加德的临时住所（翠贝卡的一间大型豪华公寓）旁听了他的导师朱莉娅·莱纳登（Julia Lenardon）的会议。
Why?
为什么？
Because it's worked before.
因为之前已经工作过。
What happened?
发生了什么？
Because it's the, I've wondered, and I was wondering, and I've always wondered.
因为它是，我一直在想，我一直在想，我一直在想。
And my father used to take us to the ocean, or took us to the ocean.
我的父亲常常带我们去海边，或者说带我们去海边。
It's always-- I'm always confused.
我总是很困惑。
This joke is about how his father used to take him to the beach, point at the ocean, and tell Gad that, if you sail for days and nights, you will reach America.
这个笑话是关于他的父亲如何带他去海滩，指着大海，告诉盖德，如果你航行几天几夜，你就会到达美国。
Gad wondered if any American father was standing on the shore pointing towards Morocco, saying the same thing.
加德想知道是否有哪个美国父亲站在岸边指着摩洛哥，说着同样的话。
So he did it several times, or he did it once?
那么他做了几次，还是做了一次？
That's what I need.
这就是我需要的。
Every time we would go to the beach he would stand in front of the ocean and say this crazy thing.
每次我们去海滩，他都会站在大海面前说这种疯狂的话。
Then my father would take me.
然后我父亲就会带我去。
Gad Elmaleh Yeah.
加德·艾尔马莱 是的。
My father would take me.
我父亲会带我去。
As opposed to-- Gad Elmaleh Maybe that's why, I don't know, they don't get it.
与——Gad Elmaleh 相反，也许这就是为什么，我不知道，他们不明白。
I like it.
我喜欢它。
It's not a crazy joke, but it's a poetic image.
这不是一个疯狂的笑话，而是一个诗意的意象。
I always wondered if, on the other side of the ocean, there was an American father--
我一直想知道，在大洋彼岸，是否有一位美国父亲——
Yeah.
是的。
You see, that's the thing.
你看，就是这样。
An American father.
一位美国父亲。
That's the thing is you've got your keyword that you have to lift with pitch.
问题是你已经有了你的关键词，你必须通过推介来提升它。
And then you have to drop the next word because that's how we hear the contrast.
然后你必须放弃下一个词，因为这就是我们听到对比的方式。
The American father.
美国父亲。
An American father.
一位美国父亲。
I'm not sure that on the other side of the ocean there was an American father [INAUDIBLE].
我不确定大洋彼岸是否有一位美国父亲[听不清]。
[LAUGHTER] Zack McDermott For a while, Gad had this other joke that just wasn't working till Julia told Gad to say "vay-KAY-shun" instead of "VAY-kay-shun." If that doesn't work, she said, you can fire me.
[笑声] 扎克·麦克德莫特 有一段时间，盖德还开了另一个玩笑，直到朱莉娅告诉盖德说“vay-KAY-shun”而不是“VAY-kay-shun”。如果这不起作用，她说，你可以解雇我。
It worked.
它起作用了。
When you know how hard it is for him, watching him do an hour set in English looks like an Olympic feat.
当你知道这对他来说有多难时，看他用英语完成一小时的比赛看起来就像是一项奥林匹克壮举。
But of course, that's not how these things are scored.
但当然，这些事情并不是这样评分的。
Gad's about a year into his new American life.
盖德开始他的美国新生活大约一年了。
And to be clear, because of his fame elsewhere and his connections, Gad's had about every conceivable unfair advantage a, quote, "fledgling comedian in America" could ask for.
需要明确的是，由于盖德在其他地方的名声和人脉关系，他拥有“美国初出茅庐的喜剧演员”所要求的几乎所有可以想象的不公平优势。
That show you heard at Joe's Pub was actually opening night of a six-month residency, three shows a week.
你在乔酒吧听到的那场演出实际上是为期六个月的驻场演出的首演之夜，每周三场演出。
No rookie comedian in New York gets that.
纽约的新秀喜剧演员都没有明白这一点。
They knew he could pack the room with French ex-pats.
他们知道他可以在房间里挤满法国侨民。
Gad's been on The Daily Show , The Nightly Show , Late Night with Seth Meyers .
加德曾上过《每日秀》、《晚间秀》、《赛斯·迈耶斯深夜秀》。
He did a set on Conan .
他给柯南拍了一组。
And he's getting better.
他的情况正在好转。
His set got tighter during his residency at Joe's Pub.
在乔酒吧驻场期间，他的演出变得更加紧张。
And he might still have the occasional language misstep, but it's happening later in the show.
他可能仍然偶尔会出现语言失误，但这种情况会在节目后期发生。
His English is improving.
他的英语正在进步。
And he just knows his way around the act now.
他现在已经知道了该怎么做。
When it works, Gad says, it means more to him than performing for his French fans who've seen his DVDs and know every joke and laugh at everything.
加德说，当它起作用时，这对他来说比为看过他的 DVD、知道每个笑话并嘲笑一切的法国粉丝表演更重要。
When American audience laugh at my joke, I mean, I feel I'm just, oh, I'm funny.
当美国观众嘲笑我的笑话时，我的意思是，我觉得我只是，哦，我很有趣。
I'm a funny man.
我是一个有趣的人。
I'm not that guy.
我不是那个人。
And even in my everyday life, if I go to a store and I make someone laugh, like at the grocery store, I'm so happy because I'm like, oh, she doesn't know that I'm famous in France, and she just laughed so hard at my joke.
即使在我的日常生活中，如果我去一家商店，让别人发笑，就像在杂货店一样，我会很高兴，因为我会想，哦，她不知道我在法国很有名，而且她只是对我的笑话笑得很厉害。
I made a joke about, I don't know, cheese or whatever, and I asked her a question and I made this little face, and she was laughing-- really laughing-- and I'm like, oh, I'm a funny man.
我开了个玩笑，我不知道，奶酪什么的，我问了她一个问题，我做了个小鬼脸，她笑了——真的笑了——我就想，哦，我是一个有趣的人。
I'm a funny man.
我是一个有趣的人。
I love to be anonymous.
我喜欢匿名。
I love-- I love it.
我爱——我爱它。
And I hope it's not going to stay like this forever.
我希望它不会永远这样。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Zack McDermott But does he really have a shot at becoming a name here in the US?
扎克·麦克德莫特 但他真的有机会在美国出名吗？
To answer that, I turned to people who'd know-- some American comedy headliners.
为了回答这个问题，我向认识的人求助——一些美国喜剧界的头条人物。
I talked to Colin Quinn, Ali Wong, Ron Funches, and Jeff Garlin.
我与 Colin Quinn、Ali Wong、Ron Funches 和 Jeff Garlin 进行了交谈。
All of them watched the same video of a 15-minute set Gad did at the Comedy Cellar back in June.
他们所有人都观看了盖德 6 月份在喜剧地窖表演的 15 分钟的同一个视频。
And they all agreed he's a pro.
他们都同意他是一名职业选手。
He could totally have a career here.
他完全可以在这里发展自己的事业。
But can he be great?
但他能伟大吗？
They all said he's not there yet, and they were unanimous on what he needed to do next.
他们都说他还没到那里，而且他们对他下一步需要做什么达成了一致。
There is one specific hole in his act all four pointed to.
所有四个人都指出了他的行为中存在一个特定的漏洞。
Here's Colin Quinn.
这是科林·奎因。
Talking about his perceptions of America.
谈论他对美国的看法。
All that stuff is great.
所有这些东西都很棒。
Love it, love it, love it-- for 20 minutes.
爱它，爱它，爱它——20分钟。
Then I want to hear about his life, and I want to hear about France or Morocco.
然后我想听听他的生活，我想听听法国或摩洛哥。
He's had this fascinating life.
他的一生过得很精彩。
Let's [BLEEP] hear about it.
让我们[BLEEP]听听吧。
The whole point of going to see a comedian is you want to see something that other comedians don't do.
去看喜剧演员的全部意义在于你想看到其他喜剧演员不做的事情。
What about your country?
你的国家呢？
I'm interested.
我有兴趣。
It's all relatable.
这都是相关的。
It's emotions, you know what I mean?
这是情感，你明白我的意思吗？
My favorite expression-- now I get to use my favorite expression, which I'm always looking for an excuse.
我最喜欢的表达——现在我可以使用我最喜欢的表达，我总是在寻找借口。
In the specific is the universal.
特殊中蕴藏着普遍性。
What would he have to do to go from this level that he's at right now to being great?
他需要做什么才能从现在的水平达到伟大的水平？
He'd have to listen to what I just said.
他必须听我刚才说的话。
Being personal-- that's where American comedy's at right now.
个性化——这就是美国喜剧现在的处境。
Ali Wong said something similar after she watched the video.
黄阿丽看完视频后也说了类似的话。
It was so interesting because you can tell that he's a really seasoned performer, and he's very comfortable on stage.
这很有趣，因为你可以看出他是一位非常经验丰富的表演者，而且他在舞台上非常自在。
But she said that, like a lot of rookie comedians in New York, the topics he gravitates toward are a little too generic.
但她说，就像纽约的许多新秀喜剧演员一样，他所关注的话题有点太笼统了。
You know, how hard it is to get an apartment, why women always want to commit, Indian cab drivers talk a lot on their phone.
你知道，买一套公寓有多难，为什么女人总是想做出承诺，印度的出租车司机在电话里说了很多话。
For me, when you're a headliner, those are people who kind of give a lot of their essence on stage.
对我来说，当你成为头条新闻的时候，那些人就会在舞台上奉献出自己的很多精髓。
Like, I would love to know why the Jerry Seinfeld of France would want to do stand-up in America all of a sudden?
就像，我很想知道为什么法国的杰瑞·宋飞突然想在美国做单口喜剧？
Ron Funches agreed with Ali that the most obvious thing for Gad to talk about is one of the topics he thought he had to avoid on stage-- his fame.
罗恩·芬奇斯同意阿里的观点，即盖德最明显要谈论的事情是他认为在舞台上必须避免的话题之一——他的名气。
This-- what's going on now, his fear of being like, oh, I'm a big deal in France, and now I'm in America, and I'm not that big of a deal.
这——现在发生了什么，他害怕这样，哦，我在法国是个大人物，现在我在美国，我没什么大不了的。
Tell me what that's about.
告诉我那是关于什么的。
Tell me how that feels.
告诉我那感觉如何。
That's probably terrifying and also very brave of you to step out of your comfort zone.
这可能很可怕，但你也非常勇敢地走出自己的舒适区。
Tell me about that.
告诉我这件事。
Tell me what you think is funny about that.
告诉我你认为这件事有什么好笑的。
That would be very interesting to me.
这对我来说会很有趣。
I think it's a good point.
我认为这是一个很好的观点。
Zack McDermott Again, here's Gad.
扎克·麦克德莫特 又是盖德。
We played him all the feedback, and he was a good sport about it, and he thought it was good advice.
我们向他提供了所有反馈，他对此很感兴趣，他认为这是很好的建议。
He really liked Ron's idea for how to talk about his fame.
他真的很喜欢罗恩关于如何谈论他的名声的想法。
His point of view is interesting.
他的观点很有趣。
So maybe I should explain-- just tell them, guys, it's a new life, being famous somewhere and maybe sometimes I'm walking down the street in New York City and I don't get bothered.
所以也许我应该解释一下——伙计们，告诉他们，这是一种新生活，在某个地方出名，也许有时我走在纽约市的街道上，我不会被打扰。
But it's also bizarre, you know?
但这也很奇怪，你知道吗？
I want to go to some people and say, do you want a photo or something?
我想去找一些人说，你想要一张照片还是什么？
[LAUGHS] Yeah.
[笑]是的。
Bother me.
打扰我了。
Gad Elmaleh Do you want a photo of us?
Gad Elmaleh 你想要一张我们的照片吗？
No. That would be good, no?
不，那很好，不是吗？
That's good.
那挺好的。
Gad Elmaleh Do you want a picture with me?
Gad Elmaleh 你想和我合影吗？
No. Because I'm famous in France.
不，因为我在法国很有名。
Yeah, but that's in France.
是的，但那是在法国。
That's funny.
那很好笑。
I should do that.
我应该这样做。
But the most pointed criticism was from Jeff Garlin.
但最尖锐的批评来自杰夫·格尔林。
You might recognize Jeff as Larry David's sidekick/manager on Curb Your Enthusiasm , but he's got 30 years in stand-up.
你可能会认出杰夫是《遏制你的热情》中拉里·大卫的助手/经理，但他已经有 30 年的单口相声经验了。
He worked with Jon Stewart and Denis Leary on their stand-up specials, and he's a comic's comic.
他与乔恩·斯图尔特和丹尼斯·利里合作制作了他们的单口喜剧特辑，他是喜剧中的喜剧。
We weren't talking for very long before he just cut to the chase.
我们没聊多久，他就切入主题了。
He does not make me laugh.
他不会让我发笑。
Sean Cole Huh.
肖恩·科尔 呵呵。
Yes.
是的。
But I find him unbelievably charming.
但我发现他令人难以置信的迷人。
I think he's charismatic.
我认为他很有魅力。
He's charming.
他很有魅力。
I could see him becoming very successful here.
我可以看到他在这里变得非常成功。
The audience was under his spell.
观众都被他的魅力所吸引。
He has a spell.
他有咒语。
There's a craft to stand-up comedy as well as an art, and he is a master at the craft.
单口喜剧既是一门艺术，也是一门手艺，而他是这门手艺的大师。
I don't look at him as much of an artist.
我不认为他是一位艺术家。
Jeff said to be an artist, he'd have to be more passionate about the stuff he's talking about.
杰夫说，作为一名艺术家，他必须对他所谈论的事物更加充满热情。
It doesn't matter what it is.
它是什么并不重要。
Just tell me what you care about.
只要告诉我你关心什么。
He doesn't care about Starbucks on every corner.
他并不关心每个角落都有星巴克。
That's a bunch of crap.
那是一堆废话。
And let me tell you, if he's not bored doing that every night, there's something wrong with him because I'd want to kill myself.
让我告诉你，如果他每天晚上都这么做不觉得无聊，那他就有问题了，因为我想自杀。
What do you care about, Gad?
盖德，你关心什么？
That's what I'm saying.
这就是我所说的。
What do you care about?
你关心什么？
Interesting.
有趣的。
Wow.
哇。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
Wow.
哇。
Now that I-- the English is OK, I should maybe be more fragile, even though it's in English, and maybe trust what I think, trust what I feel.
既然我的英语还可以，我也许应该更加脆弱，即使是英语，也许相信我的想法，相信我的感受。
Wow.
哇。
Now it's getting really interesting.
现在它变得非常有趣。
Gad couldn't stop thinking about this.
加德无法停止思考这个问题。
20 minutes later, he just interrupted Sean mid-sentence to come back to it.
二十分钟后，他才打断了纪擎轩的话说回来。
So I'm just wondering how you see yourself having--
所以我只是想知道你如何看待自己——
Yes.
是的。
Gad Elmaleh We had those five minutes of their critiques and the thinking, and now my brain is already working on the new material.
Gad Elmaleh 我们听取了他们五分钟的批评和思考，现在我的大脑已经在研究新材料了。
Wow.
哇。
Gad Elmaleh It's a little revolution today for me.
Gad Elmaleh 今天对我来说是一个小小的革命。
So it's really interesting.
所以这真的很有趣。
It's a shock, but it's in a good way.
这是一个震惊，但这是一个很好的方式。
What are you thinking about?
你在想什么？
Gad Elmaleh I'm thinking that, when I will go to clubs, I really want to go there.
Gad Elmaleh 我想，当我去俱乐部时，我真的很想去那里。
I really want to try to talk more about my roots, Morocco, friends, and not only comparing-- not only saying, oh, you guys do this?
我真的很想尝试更多地谈论我的根源，摩洛哥，朋友们，而不仅仅是比较——不仅仅是说，哦，你们这样做吗？
We do that.
我们这样做。
You guys do this?
你们做这个吗？
We do that.
我们这样做。
Man, that's really, really a good shock that you gave me today.
伙计，你今天给我带来的打击真的非常非常大。
There will be a before and after today.
会有今天之前和之后。
Really.
真的。
What do you care about?
你关心什么？
I remember, what do you care about?
我记得，你在乎什么？
What does he care about?
他关心什么？
I care about people who say what does he care about.
我关心那些说他关心什么的人。
Merci.
谢谢。
I saw Gad at the Comedy Cellar one more time after that interview, two weeks ago.
那次采访之后，两周前，我在喜剧地窖再次见到了盖德。
He hadn't changed up his set much.
他并没有对他的布景进行太多改变。
He wasn't getting into the personal stuff yet.
他还没有谈及私人事情。
I asked him why, and he said, revolutions don't happen overnight.
我问他为什么，他说，革命不会在一夜之间发生。
The comedians I talked to were adamant.
与我交谈的喜剧演员态度坚决。
For Gad to come up with the kind of material he's going to need to be great in America-- the personal stuff, the stuff he really cares about-- the only way to develop that is to do painful sets on stage where he tries out all kinds of stuff and lets himself bomb.
对于盖德来说，要想出他在美国取得成功所需要的那种材料——个人的东西，他真正关心的东西——发展这一点的唯一方法就是在舞台上做痛苦的表演，在那里他尝试各种东西，然后让自己崩溃。
In France, he doesn't do that.
在法国，他不这样做。
And Gad told me it goes against all his instincts-- against 22 years of training-- but he's going to have to override that instinct.
加德告诉我，这违背了他所有的本能——违背了 22 年的训练——但他必须克服这种本能。
He's going to have to embrace bombing, learn to fail at comedy at a whole new level, if he's going to succeed here.
如果他想在这里取得成功，他就必须接受轰炸，在一个全新的水平上学会在喜剧上失败。
It's a concept that's totally foreign to him.
这是一个对他来说完全陌生的概念。
Zack McDermott in New York.
扎克·麦克德莫特在纽约。
Gad Elmaleh is about to embark on a European tour, performing in French-- you know, for a change.
加德·埃尔马莱 (Gad Elmaleh) 即将开始欧洲巡演，用法语表演——你知道，这是一次改变。
American shows resume in the new year.
美国演出将在新的一年恢复。
We have some clips of him performing in English on our website, ThisAmericanLife.org.
我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org 上有一些他用英语表演的片段。
In February, he'll be in Carnegie Hall.
二月，他将在卡内基音乐厅演出。
[MUSIC - "FAMOUS IN FRANCE" BY JOHN MCDERMOTT AND MICHAEL P.
[音乐 - “法国著名”，作者：约翰·麦克德莫特和迈克尔·P。
SMITH]
史密斯]
Coming up, a little dog who lives in an apartment and whose favorite toy is called a Giggle Ball goes tete-a-tete with the wily creatures that brought us the bubonic plague.
接下来，一只住在公寓里的小狗，它最喜欢的玩具是“咯咯球”，它与给我们带来黑死病的狡猾生物进行了面对面的交谈。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show, Becoming a Badger, stories of people trying to become something totally foreign, trying to see the world through new eyes.
今天的节目《成为獾》讲述了人们试图成为完全陌生的人、试图用新的眼光看世界的故事。
[MUSIC - "THE 5TH QUARTER" BY THE MADHATTERS]
[音乐 - MADHATTERS 的“第五季度”]
Those are the MadHatters from Madison, Wisconsin, singing a fight song from the University of Wisconsin, whose football team, of course, is the Badgers.
他们是来自威斯康星州麦迪逊市的 MadHatters 乐队，他们唱着威斯康星大学的战歌，而威斯康星大学的橄榄球队当然就是獾队。
And with that, we have arrived at Act Two of our program.
至此，我们进入了计划的第二幕。
Act Two, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime.
第二幕，夜间狗的离奇事件。
So we heard at the beginning of our show about an Oxford scholar who was trying to understand what it's like to be an animal.
因此，我们在节目开始时听说一位牛津学者试图了解作为动物是什么感觉。
Now, in this act, we hear about an animal trying to understand what it's like to be an animal.
现在，在这一幕中，我们听到一只动物试图了解作为动物的感觉。
I sometimes have this thought about my own dog, which is his feet never touch the earth.
有时我会对我自己的狗产生这样的想法，那就是它的脚永远不会接触地面。
Like, they never touch grass and dirt.
就像，他们从不接触草地和泥土。
He lives in a city.
他住在一个城市。
He lives on sidewalk and in a tiny apartment 40 feet above the ground.
他住在人行道上的一间离地面 40 英尺的小公寓里。
Our producers Zoe Chace and Emmanuel Dzotsi have this story of a dog-- an urban dog-- getting more in touch with the doggy parts of himself.
我们的制片人 Zoe Chace 和 Emmanuel Dzotsi 有一个关于一只狗（一只城市狗）更多地接触自己狗的部分的故事。
When we set out to do this story, Ira was like, you've got to put a mic on our main character.
当我们开始制作这个故事时，艾拉说，你必须给我们的主角戴上麦克风。
His name is Ray Ray.
他的名字叫雷雷。
Ray Ray is a dog-- a terrier.
雷雷是一只狗——一只梗犬。
We attached a tiny microphone to his collar.
我们在他的衣领上安装了一个微型麦克风。
Ray Ray, you're going to be my first radio dog.
雷雷，你将成为我的第一只无线电狗。
Ray, say something.
雷，说句话。
A ball is thrown down the hallway.
一个球被扔到走廊上。
This is what it's like to be Ray Ray.
这就是雷雷的感觉。
Some mix of eternal optimism and desperation to catch the thing that is getting away from you.
永恒的乐观情绪和对抓住正在远离你的事物的绝望的混合。
The owner of the dog in question is Judy.
这只狗的主人是朱迪。
Sit.
坐。
No more.
不再。
We have to save it for later.
我们必须保存它以供以后使用。
She's the kind of old-school New Yorker that you meet less and less.
她是那种你越来越少见到的老派纽约人。
She was born on the Lower East Side, grew up in Queens, doesn't have a car, doesn't really leave the city.
她出生在下东区，在皇后区长大，没有车，也没有真正离开过这座城市。
And she's lived in the same tiny, two-room apartment for 30 years.
她在同一间狭小的两居室公寓里住了 30 年。
She's a dog person.
她是一个属狗的人。
She lives with this big, quiet greyhound and Ray Ray, the hyper little terrier.
她与这只安静的大灰狗和超级小梗犬雷雷住在一起。
He's a rescue.
他是一个救援者。
Before that--
在那之前——
I think he was in a home in New Jersey because he had no street skills at all.
我认为他住在新泽西州的家里，因为他根本没有街头技能。
And his pads-- like he had never walked on concrete.
还有他的脚垫——就像他从来没有在水泥地上行走过一样。
His pads were like pink baby pads.
他的护垫就像粉红色的婴儿护垫。
Judy trains dogs.
朱迪训练狗。
She's a dog walker and dog sitter.
她是一名遛狗者和狗保姆。
And not long after she got Ray, she noticed he kind of goes nuts around rats, which, in New York, comes up all the time.
在她得到雷后不久，她注意到他对老鼠有点疯狂，这在纽约经常出现。
Not long ago, he saw a rat just across from the Epiphany Church on 22nd Street, started lunging and pulling at the leash.
不久前，他在22街主显节教堂对面看到一只老鼠，开始猛扑并拉扯皮带。
One darted out, and he went to nail it.
其中一个冲了出来，他去钉它。
Yeah.
是的。
It was so fast that I'm glad that I had a good hold on the leash because he would've yanked the leash right out of my hand.
速度太快了，我很高兴我能很好地握住皮带，因为他会把皮带从我手里拽下来。
Some dogs are bred to swim.
有些狗是为了游泳而饲养的。
Some are bred to herd sheep or rescue people from the snow.
有些是为了放羊或从雪中救人而饲养的。
Terriers are bred to hunt rats.
梗犬是为了捕食老鼠而饲养的。
They did this in factories and farms in England 200 years ago.
200 年前，他们在英国的工厂和农场就这样做了。
They're bred small so they can chase rats into holes.
它们饲养得很小，这样它们就可以把老鼠赶进洞里。
Recently, Judy read on Facebook about this group, The Ryders Alley Trencher-Fed Society, acronym RATS.
最近，朱迪在 Facebook 上读到了有关这个团体的信息：The Ryders Alley Trencher-Fed Society，缩写为 RATS。
It's a club of dog owners, mostly terriers.
这是一个由狗主人组成的俱乐部，其中大部分是梗犬。
On Friday nights, half a dozen of them take their dogs out onto the streets of New York so their terriers can get a chance to really be terriers, do what they're bred for-- hunt for rats.
每周五晚上，他们中的六人会带着他们的狗到纽约街头，这样他们的小猎犬就有机会真正成为小猎犬，做它们生来就该做的事情——捕鼠。
On Facebook, Judy saw picture after picture of dogs chasing rats.
在脸书上，朱迪看到了一张又一张狗追老鼠的照片。
Grimy.
肮脏的。
Garbage strewn around the street.
垃圾散落在街道各处。
Not Judy's scene.
不是朱迪的场景。
But Judy is exceptionally good, I think, at seeing from a dog's perspective.
但我认为，朱迪非常擅长从狗的角度来看问题。
She wants what he wants.
她想要他想要的东西。
And he clearly wants rats.
他显然想要老鼠。
I want to do this with him.
我想和他一起做这件事。
I want him to experience a piece of himself that he doesn't get to experience.
我想让他体验到他自己无法体验到的一部分。
Their first hunt is tonight in just a couple hours.
他们的第一次狩猎将在今晚几个小时后进行。
The terrier club made clear this would be an audition.
梗犬俱乐部明确表示这将是一次试镜。
Ray Ray would be trying out.
雷雷会尝试一下。
Some terriers still have the instinct.
有些梗犬仍然有这种本能。
You don't have to train them.
你不必训练他们。
They're just rat-killing machines.
它们只是灭鼠机器。
But other terriers aren't like that.
但其他梗犬则不然。
Ray's a bit of a mutt-- a terrier mix.
雷有点像杂种狗——是梗犬的混种。
Still, Judy's confident.
尽管如此，朱迪还是充满信心。
He has a very high what?
他有很高的什么？
Judy Prey drive.
朱迪·普雷开车。
P-R-E-Y drive.
P-R-E-Y 驱动器。
It's prey.
是猎物。
There's no doubt in my mind that he will do this.
我毫不怀疑他会这么做。
I know he's going to go crazy.
我知道他会发疯的。
At this moment, Ray was attacking a small, blue teddy bear.
此时，雷正在攻击一只蓝色的小泰迪熊。
Watching him do, right now, to some little teddy bear what he's going to do to this rat--
现在看着他对一只小泰迪熊做他将对这只老鼠做的事——
Yeah.
是的。
That's what he does.
这就是他所做的。
They shred.
他们撕碎。
Are you a shredder?
你是碎纸机吗？
That's the level of adversary Ray Ray's had to deal with his whole life thus far-- inanimate, gut full of fluff, no guile, no teeth.
这就是雷雷迄今为止一生必须面对的对手的水平——没有生命，肠道里充满了绒毛，没有诡计，没有牙齿。
I wondered how Ray would do.
我想知道雷会怎么做。
Later that same night, 10:00 PM.
当晚晚些时候，晚上 10:00。
Grand and Henry Streets.
格兰德街和亨利街。
We're just outside a dark playground.
我们就在一个黑暗的操场外面。
It's 90 degrees.
是90度。
Sweaty.
出汗了。
It smells like pee and hot garbage.
闻起来像小便和热垃圾。
Ray, why are you crying so much?
雷，你为什么哭得这么厉害？
Because he's anxious?
因为他着急？
When we catch up with the Ryder Trencher-Fed Society, it's a small group-- two men, a lady, three terriers.
当我们赶上莱德沟渠饲养协会时，发现这是一个小团体——两个男人，一个女人，三只梗犬。
They look impatient and serious.
他们看起来不耐烦而且严肃。
Richard is the leader.
理查德是领导者。
He's an older guy wearing a baseball cap and Kevlar gloves.
他是一个戴着棒球帽和凯夫拉手套的老家伙。
Ray Ray immediately starts to bark like crazy at the other terriers.
雷雷立即开始对其他梗犬疯狂地吠叫。
Ray Ray's making a terrible first impression.
雷雷给人留下了糟糕的第一印象。
One of the other terrier owners shakes his head, and he says he's not sure this is going to work out.
另一位梗犬主人摇摇头，他说他不确定这是否会成功。
Judy finally gets Ray quieted down, and Richard launches into a sort of lecture to Judy, explaining what Ray Ray is going to have to do.
朱迪终于让雷安静下来，理查德对朱迪进行了一场讲座，解释雷雷将要做的事情。
What we're looking for is, primarily, the dog that can hunt by scent here in the city, because the rats are there.
我们要寻找的主要是能在城市里靠气味捕猎的狗，因为那里有老鼠。
You can't see them for the most part.
大多数情况下你看不到它们。
Richard is very serious about this, runs it like a British fox hunt, carries a cane, let's out the occasional--
理查德对此非常认真，他像英国猎狐一样管理它，拿着拐杖，让我们偶尔出去一下——
Whoa!
哇！
Tally-ho.
塔利浩。
Emmanuel Dzotsi And they have battle plans.
Emmanuel Dzotsi 他们有作战计划。
There's specific jobs.
有具体的工作。
Some dogs are flushers.
有些狗是冲水者。
The flushers find the rats and chase them out of wherever they're hiding.
冲水者找到了老鼠，并将它们从藏身之处赶走。
And there are catchers.
还有捕手。
The catchers stand just a little ways off, waiting for a rat to come their way.
捕手们站在不远的地方，等待一只老鼠过来。
And when the rat comes, the catcher bites.
当老鼠来的时候，捕手就会咬人。
Paco is one of the catch dogs.
帕科是其中一只捕猎犬。
His owner lays out the strategy.
他的主人制定了策略。
What's his way in?
他有什么办法进来？
Bill He weighs in at 32 pounds.
比尔·贺 (Bill He) 体重 32 磅。
No, sorry.
不，抱歉。
What's his way in when he's going to kill the rats?
当他要杀死老鼠时，他会采取什么办法呢？
Like what's his method?
比如他的方法是什么？
Teeth.
牙齿。
He'll grab 'em, shake 'em, crush 'em.
他会抓住他们，摇晃他们，粉碎他们。
Richard, the leader, says showtime, and we're off.
领队理查德说，演出时间到了，我们就出发了。
The hunt has begun.
狩猎开始了。
Come here.
过来吧。
Catcher.
捕手。
Zoe Chace A warning to listeners.
Zoe Chace 对听众的警告。
We told you the dogs are out here killing rats, so be aware.
我们告诉过你，狗在这里捕老鼠，所以要小心。
This gets intense.
这变得激烈。
The 10 of us-- six people, four dogs-- slowly head down Broome Street.
我们十个人——六个人，四只狗——慢慢地沿着布鲁姆街走。
And just like in those movie scenes where the special ops team makes its way into enemy territory, it is weirdly quiet.
就像电影中特种部队深入敌方领土的场景一样，这里出奇的安静。
The dogs are cautious.
狗们都很谨慎。
They sniff at garbage bags, dumpsters.
他们嗅垃圾袋、垃圾箱。
Then--
然后——
That's me screaming.
那是我在尖叫。
Two rats just ran out onto the sidewalk.
两只老鼠刚刚跑到人行道上。
The dogs chase the rats, except for Ray, who just zigzags up and down the sidewalk, excited but confused.
狗们追赶老鼠，除了雷，他只是在人行道上来回走动，兴奋但困惑。
The rats sprint in front of us, and then they're gone.
老鼠冲到我们面前，然后就消失了。
Richard's standing by a big SUV.
理查德站在一辆大型SUV旁边。
So where did all the rats go?
那么所有的老鼠都去了哪里呢？
Richard Into the cars.
理查德 进了车。
There's two rats in here.
这里有两只老鼠。
What do you mean?
你是什么意思？
You think the rats are inside this, like, Escalade?
你认为老鼠就在里面，比如凯雷德？
No, they're up in the undercarriage, around the axle, around the motorhead.
不，它们在起落架上，围绕车轴，围绕发动机头。
Not particularly.
不是特别。
Zoe Chace Little Ray shuffles along a fence with Judy right behind him.
佐伊·切斯·小雷沿着栅栏拖着脚步，朱迪就在他身后。
Do you feel worried, like he doesn't have the hunter instinct?
你是否担心他没有猎人本能？
No. I know he does.
不，我知道他会的。
It's just this is his first time, so he's leaving his mark everywhere.
只是这是他第一次，所以到处都留下了他的印记。
And I think that's a poop that I have to clean up.
我认为这是我必须清理的粪便。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Come.
来吧。
Let's go.
我们走吧。
Emmanuel Dzotsi Next stop, a corner store with five huge garbage bags out front.
Emmanuel Dzotsi 下一站，一家街角商店，前面有五个巨大的垃圾袋。
Richard says this is basically a sure thing.
理查德说这基本上是肯定的事情。
There are always rats in garbage bags outside delis.
熟食店外面的垃圾袋里总是有老鼠。
The dogs start sniffing at it.
狗开始嗅它。
What is that?
那是什么？
What is that?
那是什么？
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
啊啊啊啊啊啊。
There he goes.
他就到了。
A couple rats flee the garbage pile and make a dash for the sewer.
几只老鼠逃离垃圾堆，冲向下水道。
The dogs just missed them.
狗只是想念他们。
Ray's running circles, basically, around the garbage bags.
雷的跑步基本上是围绕着垃圾袋转的。
He's like the hype man for the other dogs.
他就像其他狗的炒作者。
He's enthusiastic.
他很热情。
Richard, our leader, is not impressed.
我们的领导理查德对此不以为然。
Yeah, but I want him to stop going bat [BLEEP] and start hunting.
是的，但我希望他停止[BLEEP]并开始狩猎。
A guy walks out of the deli.
一个人从熟食店里走了出来。
His name is Jonathan Rivera.
他的名字叫乔纳森·里维拉。
He lives in the neighborhood.
他住在附近。
He sees the commotion, and he comes over.
他看到了骚动，就走了过来。
Yes.
是的。
I've seen them many years before, and I appreciate what they're doing.
我很多年前就见过他们，我很欣赏他们所做的事情。
The guys are awesome.
小伙子们都很棒。
All these [BLEEP] rodents and rats are manifesting.
所有这些[BLEEP]啮齿动物和老鼠都在显现。
I've never seen no one in the whole entire New York City state--
我在整个纽约州都没见过一个人——
Agh!
啊啊！
They did [INAUDIBLE].
他们做到了[听不清]。
Jonathan Rivera Yes!
乔纳森·里维拉 是的！
We got one!
我们得到了一个！
Killer, kill!
杀手，杀！
One of the dogs had dived under a car and come out with a rat in his mouth.
其中一只狗潜入汽车底下，出来时嘴里叼着一只老鼠。
What dog is that?
那是什么狗？
What's his name?
他叫什么名字？
Hold on.
坚持，稍等。
Your dog's name's what?
你的狗叫什么名字？
Tanner.
皮匠。
Jonathan Rivera Tanner?
乔纳森·里维拉·坦纳？
Tanner just kicked ass right now, and got his kill on Broome Street.
坦纳现在刚刚表现出色，在布鲁姆街大获全胜。
157, between 154 Broome Street.
157，布鲁姆街 154 号之间。
Got his kill.
得到了他的杀戮。
And he is the MVP for the night.
他是当晚的 MVP。
Tanner, 1-plus.
坦纳，1+。
The other dogs, zero.
其他狗，零。
Hunger Games.
饥饿游戏。
Let's go.
我们走吧。
Jonathan whips out his phone, takes a selfie with the dead rat, and puts it up on Snapchat.
乔纳森掏出手机，与死老鼠拍了一张自拍照，并将其发布到 Snapchat 上。
Richard holds the rat up to Ray to get some sort of reaction, but Ray Ray just looks at it.
理查德把老鼠举到雷面前，希望得到某种反应，但雷雷只是看着它。
Judy's lowering expectations.
朱迪降低了期望。
I don't think he's going to get one tonight.
我认为他今晚不会得到一个。
I think he's too much of a newbie.
我觉得他太新人了。
Tanner is the oldest, blindest, deafest dog here.
坦纳是这里最年长、最瞎、最聋的狗。
He just killed a rat.
他刚刚杀了一只老鼠。
Paco just got one, too, but Ray Ray's score is still at zero.
帕科也刚刚得到一分，但雷雷的得分仍然为零。
Though, I think that doesn't really capture the situation, because, obviously, you know who's really winning?
不过，我认为这并不能真正说明情况，因为显然，你知道谁是真正的赢家吗？
The rats.
老鼠们。
Richard ran the numbers for us.
理查德为我们统计了数字。
A dog comes in season and is breedable once every six to nine months.
狗在季节到来时每六到九个月可繁殖一次。
A rat comes in season and is breedable every three days.
老鼠进入季节，每三天可繁殖一次。
Ha!
哈!
That's upsetting.
这真令人不安。
Richard The gestation period is 21 to 23 days.
理查德 妊娠期为21至23天。
The average litter is 10 to 12.
平均产仔数为 10 至 12 只。
Now, you want to do a little bit of the math, you start with one pair of rats today, 365 days from now you have 24,000 rats.
现在，你想做一点数学计算，今天从一对老鼠开始，365 天后你就有 24,000 只老鼠。
Maybe the most intelligent thing that I've ever heard was somebody said that, in New York City, you're never more than 30 feet from a rat.
也许我听过的最明智的事情是有人说，在纽约市，你距离老鼠永远不会超过 30 英尺。
One estimate says there are something like 2 million rats in New York City.
据估计，纽约市大约有 200 万只老鼠。
It's taken us an hour to kill two of them.
我们花了一个小时才杀死其中两个。
Come on.
快点。
Let's go.
我们走吧。
Zoe Chace We try a couple more spots.
Zoe Chace 我们又尝试了几个地方。
We slip into a construction site through a gap in the fence.
我们从栅栏的缝隙溜进了一个建筑工地。
To me, as a New Yorker, this feels very wrong.
对我来说，作为一个纽约人，这感觉非常错误。
Like, you don't go to these places in the city, because rats.
就像，你不要去城里的这些地方，因为老鼠。
They have their corners of the city.
他们在城市里有自己的角落。
We have ours.
我们有我们的。
They are in the subway tracks.
他们在地铁轨道上。
We are on the platform.
我们在平台上。
They're in the shadows, and we stay in the lights.
他们在阴影中，而我们则在光明中。
It feels physically hard to force myself into this territory.
强迫自己进入这个领域感觉身体上很困难。
I want to die.
我想死。
I want to die.
我想死。
Susan Catcher is carrying around a dead rat.
苏珊·卡彻带着一只死老鼠到处走。
Where are we?
我们在哪里？
What is this?
这是什么？
Judy We're in some kind of an enclosure.
朱迪：我们在某种围场里。
It's really smelly and dirty.
真的又臭又脏。
Freeze.
冻结。
Everybody freeze.
大家都冻结了。
Freeze.
冻结。
Hold Ray right there.
把雷抱在那里。
There's a rat ready to come out.
有一只老鼠准备出来。
Ray sniffs around haphazardly.
雷随意地嗅着周围。
Here's his mic.
这是他的麦克风。
I think he's done.
我想他已经完成了。
Zoe Chace What did he do?
佐伊·切斯他做了什么？
Nothing.
没有什么。
He's looking for food.
他正在寻找食物。
He's not looking for rats.
他不是在寻找老鼠。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
But then we come to this dark alley.
但随后我们就来到了这条黑暗的小巷。
And this time, they specifically set it up for Ray to make a kill.
而这一次，他们是专门为了雷杀人而设置的。
Judy and Ray Ray stay just inside the alleyway.
朱迪和雷雷就住在小巷里。
Behind us, there's a guy peeing into a dumpster.
在我们身后，有一个人正在往垃圾箱里撒尿。
At the end of the alley is one of the dog owners, Susan.
小巷的尽头是狗的主人之一苏珊。
She looks so out of place.
她看起来很格格不入。
She's in shorts, white running shoes, standing in the middle of a pile of garbage, poking at it with sticks.
她穿着短裤和白色跑鞋，站在一堆垃圾中间，用棍子戳着它。
She's trying to flush out a rat for her dog to catch.
她正试图赶走一只老鼠，让她的狗去抓。
Judy, Ray, and I just watch.
朱迪、雷和我只是看着。
See, she really gets in the garbage over there.
看，她真的掉进了那边的垃圾堆里。
Yeah.
是的。
She's good.
她很好。
She really entertains her dog.
她真的很逗她的狗。
We're just seeing this so differently.
我们只是以不同的方式看待这一点。
Judy is thinking, that's amazing.
朱迪心想，这太神奇了。
I'm thinking, that's disgusting.
我想，这太恶心了。
Here's how Ray's feeling as he's watching.
这是雷在观看时的感受。
No rats run our way, so Judy decides, screw the battle plan.
没有老鼠跑过我们的路，所以朱迪决定，搞砸战斗计划。
She's going to let Ray off leash, and tears off to find the other dogs in the garbage pile.
她要松开雷的皮带，然后去垃圾堆里寻找其他狗。
One rat emerges from the scrum and runs under a stack of loose boards next to the sidewalk.
一只老鼠从人群中钻出来，跑到人行道旁一堆松散的木板下面。
Ray heads in after it.
雷追了上去。
This is the sound of him banging his head and paws under those boards.
这是他用头和爪子敲击木板的声音。
[POUNDING] Susan Come on, Tanner.
[重击]苏珊，加油，坦纳。
Go around.
到处走走。
[SQUEAKING] Judy Get 'em!
[吱吱声] 朱迪 抓住他们！
Get 'em!
抓住他们！
Get 'em!
抓住他们！
I'm just going to pause things for a moment here, because what happened next goes really fast.
我只是想在这里暂停一下，因为接下来发生的事情发生得很快。
And amazingly, we actually have a picture of this exact moment that Bill took with some kind of high-speed camera.
令人惊讶的是，我们实际上拥有比尔用某种高速相机拍摄的这一时刻的照片。
The picture shows two dogs, Paco, Ray, and one very large New York City rat.
照片中展示了两只狗：帕科、雷和一只非常大的纽约市老鼠。
The rat looks like it's doing some move from The Matrix , like slow-motion flying through the air, twisting at the waist, right across Paco's face, trying to escape his assailants.
这只老鼠看起来像是在做《黑客帝国》中的一些动作，就像慢动作在空中飞行，扭动腰部，正好划过帕科的脸，试图逃离袭击者。
And then--
然后——
Good.
很好。
Good.
好的。
Good!
好的！
Good!
好的！
Good boy!
好孩子！
Judith, wonderful.
朱迪思，太棒了。
Ray doesn't kill the rat.
雷没有杀死老鼠。
He misses him.
他想念他。
But he pushes the rat right into Paco's face.
但他把老鼠直接推到了帕科的脸上。
I'm going to give Ray Ray an assist on this one.
我将在这件事上为雷·雷提供帮助。
Yay!
耶！
Can we go home now?
我们现在可以回家了吗？
Susan Leave it, Tanner.
苏珊 别管它，坦纳。
Tally-ho!
塔利嗬！
Tally-ho.
塔利浩。
He wants back in.
他想回去。
He's going after him.
他要追他。
He's got the gene turned on now.
他现在已经开启了这个基因。
Ray's passed the test.
雷通过了测试。
He's a hunter.
他是一名猎人。
He circles back to the blood on the sidewalk.
他转了一圈又回到了人行道上的血迹处。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
That's-- he's licking the blood.
那是——他在舔血。
Yuck!
哎呀！
Don't drink the blood.
不要喝血。
Zoe Chace I saw this quote in an article about terriers from the poet A.
佐伊·查斯（Zoe Chace） 我在诗人 A. 一篇关于梗犬的文章中看到了这句话。
E.
E.
Housman.
豪斯曼.
"I can no more define poetry than a terrier can define a rat." Ray has found his poetry.
“我无法定义诗歌，就像梗犬无法定义老鼠一样。”雷找到了他的诗。
Judy puts Ray back on the leash.
朱迪把雷重新拴起来。
She seems a little shaken up, and she's ready to leave the Ryders Alley Trencher-Fed Society and go home.
她似乎有点震惊，准备离开莱德斯巷挖沟者协会回家。
I'm dirty.
我很脏。
I'm smelly.
我很臭。
I'm tired.
我累了。
I'm thirsty.
我渴了。
Now I have to give my dog a bath.
现在我得给我的狗洗澡了。
I want to get home and wash my hands.
我想回家洗手。
Judy and little Ray Ray get in a taxi back to their apartment.
朱迪和小雷雷乘出租车回到他们的公寓。
Richard says he's seen her kind before.
理查德说他以前见过她善良。
I doubt she'll be back, but you never know.
我怀疑她会回来，但你永远不知道。
We get a lot of people like that who come, whose dogs show promise, but you can tell that they don't have the--
我们有很多这样的人来，他们的狗表现出了希望，但你可以看出他们没有——
It's like their dog has the instinct, but they don't.
就好像他们的狗有这种本能，但他们没有。
Well, I don't think she's a hunter.
嗯，我不认为她是猎人。
The dog is much more of a hunter than she is.
这只狗比她更像一个猎人。
Emmanuel Dzotsi A few days later, Judy emailed us that Ray wasn't playing with his toys.
Emmanuel Dzotsi 几天后，朱迪给我们发电子邮件说雷没有玩他的玩具。
I've been worried about this-- that there would be some irrevocable change in him.
我一直担心这一点——担心他会发生一些不可挽回的变化。
After tasting blood, his squeaky ball would just seem pathetic.
尝到血的味道后，他那吱吱作响的球就显得可怜了。
But a few days later, he was back to his toys and Judy and Ray are going rat hunting again.
但几天后，他又回到了自己的玩具身边，朱迪和雷又去打老鼠了。
This surprised me.
这让我很惊讶。
It makes him happy, she said.
这让他很高兴，她说。
She wants him to be happy.
她希望他幸福。
When he and Judy walk down the street now, they are having exactly opposite experiences.
现在，当他和朱迪走在街上时，他们的经历完全相反。
I imagine what's in Ray's head as this X-ray version of New York City.
我把雷脑子里的东西想象成纽约市的 X 光版。
Legions of rats running just under the sidewalks, in every courtyard, behind every stack of garbage.
成群结队的老鼠在人行道下、每个庭院里、每一堆垃圾后面奔跑。
When he smells the air that comes out of the subway, he knows they're there.
当他闻到地铁里散发出的空气味时，他就知道他们在那里。
Judy, meanwhile, like all New Yorkers, lives surrounded by rats and tries her best to pretend they're not here.
与此同时，朱迪和所有纽约人一样，生活在老鼠的包围之中，并尽力假装它们不在这里。
But for Ray, she'll cross over, look at the world as a terrier might, the same way you see couples walking down the streets of New York, hand-in-hand, one suffering through something the other one needs, just in order to feel like themselves.
但对于雷来说，她会穿越，像一只猎犬一样看待世界，就像你看到情侣手牵手走在纽约街头一样，一个人在承受着另一个人需要的东西，只是为了感觉像自己一样。
Zoe Chace and Emmanuel Dzotsi are producers on our show.
Zoe Chace 和 Emmanuel Dzotsi 是我们节目的制片人。
[MUSIC - "I SMELL A RAT" BY BIG MAMA THORNTON]
[音乐 - BIG MAMA THORNTON 的《我闻到了老鼠的味道》]
[MUSIC - "THE 5TH QUARTER" BY THE MADHATTERS]
[音乐 - MADHATTERS 的“第五季度”]
Our program was produced today by Stephanie Foo.
今天我们的节目由 Stephanie Foo 制作。
Our production staff, Zoe Chace, Dana Chivvas, Sean Cole, Neil Drumming, Karen Duffin, Emmanuel Dzotsi, David Kestenbaum, Chana Joffe-Walt, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, Robyn Semien, Matt Tierney, and Nancy Updike.
我们的制作人员包括 Zoe Chace、Dana Chivvas、Sean Cole、Neil Drumming、Karen Duffin、Emmanuel Dzotsi、David Kestenbaum、Chana Joffe-Walt、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar、Robyn Semien、Matt Tierney 和 Nancy Updike。
Editing help from Susan Burton, Julie Snyder, and Elna Baker.
苏珊·伯顿 (Susan Burton)、朱莉·斯奈德 (Julie Snyder) 和埃尔娜·贝克 (Elna Baker) 提供编辑帮助。
Our digital staff, Whitney Dangerfield and Julie Whitaker.
我们的数字员工 Whitney Dangerfield 和 Julie Whitaker。
Research help today from Christopher Swetala.
Christopher Swetala 今天提供研究帮助。
Music help from Damien Graef and Rob Geddis.
Damien Graef 和 Rob Geddis 提供音乐帮助。
At our website, ThisAmericanLife.org, This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
在我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org 上，《This American Life》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台传送。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, what does he say about me quoting him here at the end of every show?
你知道，对于我在每场演出结束时引用他的话，他怎么说？
If he's not bored doing that every night, there's something wrong with him because I'd want to kill myself.
如果他每天晚上都这么做不觉得无聊，那他就有问题了，因为我想自杀。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life .
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。