594: My Summer Self - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass My wife told me about this thing that-- honestly, this is news to me.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 我妻子告诉我这件事——老实说，这对我来说是新闻。
You know when it's like the height of summer and you go out, and a feeling when the sun is just like really hot and hitting your skin and making you all warm?
你知道当盛夏时节，当你出去时，太阳真的很热，照在你的皮肤上，让你浑身温暖的感觉吗？
She likes that feeling.
她喜欢这种感觉。
She likes the way that feels.
她喜欢这种感觉。
And I don't know what this says about me, but the notion that anybody would like that had never occurred to me.
我不知道这对我来说意味着什么，但我从来没有想过有人会喜欢这样。
Totally eye opening because I have never been into that feeling at all.
完全让我大开眼界，因为我从来没有经历过那种感觉。
To me, the heat of summer is just something you had to get through.
对我来说，夏天的炎热只是你必须经历的事情。
It was like rain, but less wet.
就像下雨一样，但不那么湿。
And since she said this, this summer I've been trying to practice it.
自从她说了这句话之后，今年夏天我就一直在努力实践。
I've been trying to reprogram my own experience of the summer.
我一直在努力重新规划我自己这个夏天的经历。
And so when I'm outside, I consciously tell myself, the sun's hitting me.
所以当我在外面时，我有意识地告诉自己，阳光照在我身上。
I'm going to enjoy this, get into it.
我会享受这个，投入其中。
And I can kind of get myself there for a little while.
我可以在那里待一会儿。
And then I lose it.
然后我就失去了它。
I can't hold onto it.
我抓不住了
I just think that some of us really love the summer.
我只是认为我们中的一些人真的很喜欢夏天。
And it is not something that you can force.
这不是你可以强迫的。
A couple weeks ago here on our radio show, we all saw this article about somebody like that.
几周前，在我们的广播节目中，我们都看到了这篇关于这样的人的文章。
He's a 66-year-old lifeguard who's suing New York State for age discrimination.
他是一名 66 岁的救生员，正在起诉纽约州年龄歧视。
And I just want to pause on that for a second, a 66-year-old lifeguard.
作为一名 66 岁的救生员，我想暂停一下。
All of us here on our staff, we had no idea that could even exist.
我们所有的员工都不知道这种事可能存在。
We all thought lifeguarding is something that you do when you're in high school, maybe a couple years after, into your 20s.
我们都认为救生员是你在高中时，也许几年后，到你二十多岁的时候做的事情。
Who is still lifeguarding at 66?
66岁了谁还在做救生员？
And then it was even more of a question when we realized the lifeguard in the story, he has another job.
当我们意识到故事中的救生员时，这就更成问题了，他还有另一份工作。
He's a lawyer.
他是一名律师。
He's a working lawyer.
他是一名职业律师。
His name is Roy Lester.
他的名字叫罗伊·莱斯特。
He's a bankruptcy attorney.
他是一名破产律师。
He's got his own firm in Long Island.
他在长岛有自己的公司。
And then he lifeguards every weekend in the summer.
然后他在夏天的每个周末都担任救生员。
And today on our program, we have stories of people like him, people who love the summer, not people like me.
今天在我们的节目中，我们讲述的是像他这样的人，热爱夏天的人，而不是像我这样的人。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
We prepared today a program to listen to with the sun beating down on you, the humidity through the roof, a show of people embracing summer and everything about summer.
今天我们准备了一个节目，让您在阳光的照耀下，在屋顶的湿气中聆听，欣赏人们拥抱夏天的表演以及有关夏天的一切。
And let's just get right to it with Act One.
让我们从第一幕开始吧。
Act One, The Grapes of Wrath.
第一幕，愤怒的葡萄。
So one of our producers, Dana Chivvis, she went out to Long Island and met that guy, Roy Lester, the 66-year-old attorney lifeguard who was suing New York State.
我们的制片人之一达纳·奇维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 去了长岛，遇到了罗伊·莱斯特 (Roy Lester)，他是一名 66 岁的律师救生员，正在起诉纽约州。
Basically the deal is that they tried to make him wear a Speedo.
基本上，他们试图让他穿 Speedo 泳衣。
He refused.
他拒绝了。
He lost his job.
他丢了工作。
Here's Dana.
这是达纳。
If you ask Roy, why are you still lifeguarding at 66, he barely understands the question.
如果你问罗伊，为什么 66 岁了还在做救生员，他几乎不明白这个问题。
It's so self-evident to him.
这对他来说是不言而喻的。
It's been his life since he was 16.
从他16岁开始，这就是他的生活。
He and his buddies were kings of the beach.
他和他的伙伴们是海滩之王。
He lived with other lifeguards.
他和其他救生员住在一起。
His best man at his wedding was a lifeguard.
他婚礼上的伴郎是一名救生员。
Their kids grew up playing together on the beach while they were on duty.
他们的孩子在他们值班时一起在海滩上玩耍长大。
He never wanted to leave this job.
他从来不想离开这份工作。
Even when he went to law school in California, he came back to lifeguard every summer.
即使他在加利福尼亚州读法学院，每年夏天他都会回来当救生员。
In law school, aren't you supposed to have an internship in a law firm or something like that?
在法学院，不是应该去律师事务所实习之类的吗？
You're supposed to.
你应该这样做。
Dana Chivvis Did you not do that?
达纳·奇维斯 你没这么做吗？
No, I did not do that.
不，我没有那样做。
I never took it quite that seriously.
我从来没有这么认真地对待过它。
The idea of giving up the summer was something I just couldn't do.
放弃暑假的想法是我做不到的。
He's not alone.
他并不孤单。
At Jones Beach, where he worked for 40 years, there are dozens of guys-- teachers, firemen, police-- who stayed with it into their 60s.
他在琼斯海滩工作了 40 年，这里有数十名员工——教师、消防员、警察——一直坚持到 60 多岁。
Lifeguarding at Jones Beach is such a thing that a former lifeguard made a film about it.
琼斯海滩的救生员是如此重要，以至于一位前救生员制作了一部关于它的电影。
It's called Jones Beach Boys .
它的名字叫琼斯海滩男孩。
Roy insisted I watch it.
罗伊坚持让我看。
I did.
我做到了。
It was awesome.
太棒了。
Here's my favorite song from it.
这是我最喜欢的歌曲。
"We're going for the rescue and getting to the victim." I never really appreciated how thrilling lifeguarding is until Roy talked about rescues.
“我们要去救援并找到受害者。”直到罗伊谈到救援时，我才真正意识到救生员是多么令人兴奋。
We were sitting in his law office.
我们坐在他的律师事务所里。
The exhilaration of a good rescue is unlike anything you've ever had.
一次成功的救援所带来的兴奋感是您从未经历过的。
And you don't get that.
而你不明白这一点。
I sit here, and I shuffle papers.
我坐在这里，翻动文件。
I wouldn't call it exciting.
我不会称其为令人兴奋。
I wouldn't call it rewarding.
我不会称其为有益的。
But this is-- you're actually accomplishing something.
但这是——你实际上正在完成一些事情。
You're up there, and all of a sudden you're going out in the water, and the rest of the world is behind you.
你在上面，突然间你就到了水里，世界其他地方都在你身后。
There's nothing else except between you getting from your stand to that victim.
除了从你的立场到那个受害者之间，没有其他任何事情。
That's the only thing.
这是唯一的事情。
And it's great.
这很棒。
It's a great feeling.
这是一种很棒的感觉。
How many people do you think you've rescued in your career?
您认为您在您的职业生涯中拯救了多少人？
Yeah.
是的。
You have to remember.
你必须记住。
There were times we would have 40 rescues in an hour.
有时我们在一小时内救援 40 人。
What?
什么？
Why?
为什么？
What?
什么？
Who?
WHO？
Why?
为什么？
Roy Lester Because you have people that come down to Jones Beach who really don't know about swimming, especially when you have a current.
罗伊·莱斯特（Roy Lester）：因为有些来到琼斯海滩的人真的不知道游泳，尤其是当你有水流的时候。
And you can get a very strong current at Jones Beach.
在琼斯海滩您会遇到非常强劲的水流。
1,000 rescues-- that's way more rescues than David Hasselhoff did on Baywatch .
1,000 次救援——这比 David Hasselhoff 在《海滩救护队》中的救援次数还要多。
I figure two rescues per episode, 10 years on the air, Roy would still beat him by 560 rescues.
我估计每集有两次救援，播出 10 年，罗伊仍然会以 560 次救援击败他。
Which is to say Roy is one of the lifeguardiest lifeguards there is.
也就是说，罗伊是最有救生能力的救生员之一。
He had two wins at the national lifeguard competition.
他在全国救生员比赛中两次获胜。
He served as an expert lifeguard witness in court cases.
他在法庭案件中担任专业救生员证人。
And all was well in his happy lifeguarding world until the Speedo mishegoss began in 2007.
在 2007 年 Speedo mishegoss 开始之前，他快乐的救生世界一切都很顺利。
Here's what happened.
事情是这样的。
If you're a lifeguard at Jones Beach, you have to take a physical fitness test every year to prove that you're still able to do the job.
如果您是琼斯海滩的救生员，您必须每年进行体能测试，以证明您仍然能够胜任这项工作。
It includes a speed test in a pool.
它包括池中的速度测试。
You have to swim 100 yards in 1:20, which is actually pretty fast.
你必须在 1 分 20 秒内游完 100 码，这实际上是相当快的。
A lot of these guys train all year for it.
很多人全年都在为此进行训练。
For 15 years, Roy took the swim test in his preferred swimsuit, a pair of jammers.
15 年来，罗伊一直穿着他最喜欢的泳衣（即泳裤）参加游泳测试。
They look like bike shorts without the butt cushion.
它们看起来就像没有屁股垫的自行车短裤。
If you're watching the Olympics right now, all of the male swimmers are wearing them.
如果你现在正在观看奥运会，所有的男游泳运动员都穿着它们。
They're tight, and they go down to just above the knee.
它们很紧，长度刚好到膝盖上方。
But when Roy showed up for the test in 2007, he was told no jammers.
但当罗伊在 2007 年参加测试时，他被告知没有干扰器。
His bosses at the Office of Parks and Recreation said, you can only do the test in one of the official Jones Beach lifeguard swimsuits, which means you have three choices-- board shorts, trunks, or Speedo.
他在公园和娱乐办公室的老板说，你只能穿着琼斯海滩官方救生员泳衣之一进行测试，这意味着你有三种选择——沙滩短裤、泳裤或 Speedo。
Board shorts and trunks are loose, so nobody really takes a swim test in them because they create more drag and slow you down.
沙滩裤和泳裤都很宽松，所以没有人真正穿着它们进行游泳测试，因为它们会产生更大的阻力并减慢你的速度。
So, in effect, state officials were saying to Roy, you have to take the test in the Speedo.
因此，实际上，州官员对罗伊说，你必须穿着 Speedo 参加测试。
Roy said, no way.
罗伊说，没办法。
I won't do it.
我不会这么做。
And he hasn't been a lifeguard at Jones Beach since.
从那以后他就不再担任琼斯海滩的救生员了。
It was one of those feelings like, am I making the right decision?
其中一种感觉就是，我做出了正确的决定吗？
I'm throwing away a 40-year career over a principle.
我为了一个原则而放弃了40年的职业生涯。
It was a difficult decision, a very difficult decision.
这是一个艰难的决定，一个非常艰难的决定。
A second.
一秒钟。
Dana Chivvis I really need to point out he would only have to wear the Speedo for the test, which lasts a minute and 20 seconds.
Dana Chivvis 我真的需要指出，他只需要穿着 Speedo 进行测试，测试持续 1 分 20 秒。
On the job, he'd wear board shorts.
在工作中，他会穿短裤。
Most of the lifeguards do, young and old.
大多数救生员都这样做，无论年轻还是年长。
Why not just put it on for the test, though?
为什么不直接戴上它进行测试呢？
Why didn't Rosa Parks just go to the back of the bus?
罗莎·帕克斯为什么不直接走到公交车后面呢？
There were plenty of seats.
有很多座位。
So it's just-- it's the principle of it.
所以这就是它的原理。
Yeah.
是的。
Yes.
是的。
Dana Chivvis The principle, in his mind, was standing up to age discrimination.
达纳·奇维斯（Dana Chivvis）认为，这一原则就是抵制年龄歧视。
When I read about all this in The New York Times , I really didn't understand.
当我在《纽约时报》上读到这一切时，我真的不明白。
What's the connection between a Speedo and age discrimination?
Speedo 和年龄歧视之间有什么关系？
I've certainly seen older dudes in Speedos.
我当然见过穿着 Speedos 泳裤的老家伙。
So I went out and met Roy on a beach not far from his house on Long Island.
于是我出去，在距离罗伊长岛家不远的海滩上见到了他。
It was 6:45 in the morning.
当时是早上 6 点 45 分。
He was about to go for a mile swim before work.
他准备在上班前去游一英里泳。
So, Roy, can you describe what you're wearing right now?
那么，罗伊，你能描述一下你现在穿的是什么吗？
Well, it's a wet suit.
嗯，这是一件湿衣服。
It's a short-sleeve wet suit.
这是一件短袖潜水服。
And I have my jammers on underneath.
我下面还穿着干扰裤。
Roy brought one of his official Jones Beach Speedos to the beach to show me.
罗伊（Roy）把他的一件官方琼斯海滩泳裤带到海滩上给我看。
Just describe it for me.
给我描述一下吧。
Roy Lester It's an exaggerated thong for lack of a better word.
Roy Lester 这是一条夸张的丁字裤，因为找不到更好的词来形容。
But it's full coverage in the back.
但后面却是全覆盖。
So it's not quite a thong, right?
所以它不完全是丁字裤，对吧？
Not quite a thong, right.
不完全是丁字裤，对吧。
Dana Chivvis But to Roy and lots of guys, it might as well be a thong, which is why the Speedo has earned a stable of nicknames-- the weenie bikini, the dingaling sling, the speed don't, the banana hammock, the grape smuggler, the Miami meat tent, the Saint-Tropez truffle duffle, the scrote tote.
Dana Chivvis 但对于 Roy 和很多人来说，它还不如一条丁字裤，这就是为什么 Speedo 赢得了一系列绰号的原因——威尼比基尼、丁加林吊带、速度不、香蕉吊床、葡萄走私者、迈阿密肉帐篷、圣特罗佩松露粗呢包、阴囊托特包。
The reason the jammer is preferred by older lifeguards is that you're saying it's more discreet.
老年救生员更喜欢干扰器的原因是你说它更谨慎。
Yes.
是的。
Dana Chivvis Because it covers your thighs.
Dana Chivvis 因为它遮住了你的大腿。
I don't want to get graphic, but your-- the word begins with B.
我不想用图形来表达，但是你的——这个词以 B 开头。
Basically, you're hanging out with the Speedo.
基本上，您就是穿着 Speedo 出去玩的。
I get it now, I think.
我想我现在明白了。
Roy Lester And you don't really-- with the jammers, it's not like that.
罗伊·莱斯特（Roy Lester）：对于干扰器，情况并非如此。
There's like a little bit more of a roof over your house.
你的房子好像多了一点屋顶。
This is the nut of his argument Roy says once he passed 50, he felt self-conscious in the Speedo.
这是他的论点的核心，罗伊说，一旦他过了 50 岁，他就会在穿着 Speedo 时感到不自在。
And nobody should have to feel self-conscious to get a job.
任何人都不应该为了找到工作而感到难为情。
So Roy refuses to put on the grape smuggler to take the swim test.
所以罗伊拒绝让葡萄走私犯参加游泳测试。
A few weeks later, there's another chance to take the test.
几周后，还有一次参加考试的机会。
He shows up.
他出现了。
And this time, he is wearing the official Speedo.
而这一次，他穿的是官方Speedo。
He's just got it on over his jammers.
他刚刚把它套在干扰裤上。
He showed me a video of a conversation he recorded on the pool deck that day.
他给我看了一段他那天在泳池甲板上录制的谈话视频。
It was a little windy, so the sound isn't great.
风有点大，所以声音不太好。
But he's standing in front of Sue Giuliani who was the director of Jones Beach State Park at the time.
但他站在当时担任琼斯海滩州立公园馆长的苏·朱利安尼面前。
And there he is in his jammers plus Speedo outfit, challenging her to turn him away.
他穿着及膝泳裤和 Speedo 泳衣，挑战她把他拒之门外。
I've made a compromise.
我已经做出了妥协。
Sue Giuliani That's not going to be acceptable.
苏·朱利安尼：这是不可接受的。
You're not going to let me swim like this?
你不让我这样游泳吗？
Because you still have jammers on.
因为你还戴着干扰器。
So that you cannot wear.
以至于不能穿。
All right.
好的。
And is there any reason why they're not allowed?
有什么理由不允许他们这样做吗？
We're not going-- how many times do you want me to repeat it?
我们不会去——你想让我重复多少遍？
What?
什么？
Sue Giuliani You know why they're not allowed.
苏·朱利安尼 你知道为什么他们不被允许。
No, no, I don't.
不，不，我不。
I've never been able to--
我从来没能——
I've pretty much-- Dana Chivvis Joe Scalise, the director of water safety for the state beaches, cuts in.
州海滩水上安全总监 Dana Chivvis Joe Scalise 插话了。
I am complying.
我遵守。
I'm wearing my official suit.
我穿着我的正式套装。
Are you complying with what we want or not?
你是否符合我们的要求？
I'm wearing my official suit.
我穿着我的正式套装。
Joe Scalise So not swimming now?
乔·斯卡利斯 现在不游泳了吗？
All right.
好的。
Let's go.
我们走吧。
Dana Chivvis Did you just go home, then?
Dana Chivvis 那你刚回家吗？
Basically, I-- well, I stayed around.
基本上，我——嗯，我留下来了。
And I watched everybody take the test.
我看着每个人都参加考试。
Were there other people taking the test in jammers?
还有其他人穿着干扰器参加测试吗？
No. No, nobody was allowed to take the test in jammers.
不，不，没有人被允许参加干扰器测试。
So everybody else either put on a Speedo or put on the board shorts, something like that.
所以其他人要么穿上 Speedo 泳裤，要么穿上滑板短裤，诸如此类。
Now, Roy said he could have worn board shorts or trunks and still pass the test.
现在，罗伊说他可以穿短裤或泳裤，仍然可以通过测试。
He says he could have dungarees and passed.
他说他可以穿工装裤就通过了。
The guy's in ridiculous shape.
这家伙的身材很可笑。
He does triathlons now, coaches a swim team.
他现在参加铁人三项比赛，担任游泳队的教练。
In 2012, he had a hip replaced.
2012年，他接受了髋关节置换手术。
And seven weeks later, he came in first in his age group in Bermuda's Round the Sound swim race, a 1.2-mile open water swim.
七周后，他在百慕大环峡湾游泳比赛（1.2 英里开放水域游泳）中获得同龄组第一名。
He was still using a cane to walk.
他仍然拄着拐杖走路。
So the easy thing for Roy to do would be just take the test in board shorts or Speedo and keep the job he loved.
因此，对罗伊来说，最简单的事情就是穿着短裤或 Speedo 参加测试，并保住他喜欢的工作。
Let bureaucrats be bureaucrats.
让官僚就官僚吧。
Just get on with it.
继续吧。
That's not Roy.
那不是罗伊。
Roy does not back down from a fight.
罗伊在战斗中不会退缩。
So he sued.
于是他提起诉讼。
He sued the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation for $5 million.
他起诉纽约州公园、娱乐和历史保护办公室，索赔 500 万美元。
Now, the easy thing for the state would have been to just let Jones Beach lifeguards wear jammers.
现在，对于该州来说，最简单的事情就是让琼斯海滩救生员佩戴干扰器。
Presumably, if they're good enough for the Olympic swim team, they're good enough for New York's lifeguards.
想必，如果它们足够适合奥运会游泳队，那么它们也足够适合纽约的救生员。
But that's not New York State.
但那不是纽约州。
It decided to fight.
它决定战斗。
The lawsuit has worked its way through the lower court, which dismissed it, to the appellate court, which ruled in May that it should go to trial.
该诉讼已通过下级法院（下级法院驳回）到上诉法院，上诉法院于 5 月裁定应进入审判阶段。
This has been going on for seven years-- seven years.
这样的情况已经持续了七年——七年了。
Roy sent me a PDF of his exhibits in the case.
罗伊向我发送了一份 PDF 文件，其中包含他在案件中的证物。
It was 1,300 pages long.
它有 1,300 页长。
And the thing I really want to know-- because I live in New York and pay taxes in New York-- is why is the state using taxpayer dollars to fight the Speedo suit?
我真正想知道的是——因为我住在纽约并在纽约纳税——为什么州政府要用纳税人的钱来对抗 Speedo 诉讼？
This could all been resolved very easily years ago if they just changed the rule, allowed the jammers.
如果他们改变规则，允许干扰器，那么几年前这一切都可以很容易地解决。
Why are Roy and the state fighting each other when they should unite against the real enemy, jellyfish.
当罗伊和国家应该联合起来对抗真正的敌人水母时，为什么他们还要互相争斗呢？
Officials from the state of New York wouldn't talk to me for this story.
纽约州的官员不会就这个故事与我交谈。
The Attorney General's office wouldn't talk.
总检察长办公室不肯说话。
Neither would Parks and Rec.
公园和休闲中心也不会。
But they did send me the affidavit of a guy named George Gorman.
但他们确实给我发了一份名叫乔治·戈尔曼的人的宣誓书。
He oversees all the parks in Long Island.
他负责监管长岛的所有公园。
And it lays out their side of the story.
它阐述了他们的故事。
Around 2006, some of the Jones Beach lifeguards started taking the test in full-body swimsuits.
2006年左右，琼斯海滩的一些救生员开始穿着全身泳衣参加考试。
Management became concerned that those guys were only passing because they were wearing the full-body swimsuits.
管理层开始担心这些人只是通过了，因为他们穿着全身泳衣。
So they decided to change the rules.
所以他们决定改变规则。
Starting in 2007, lifeguards could only take the test in one of the three official Jones Beach uniform swimsuits.
从2007年开始，救生员只能穿着三种官方琼斯海滩制服泳衣中的一种参加考试。
No more full body suits, and also no jammers because jammers aren't part of the uniform.
不再穿全身服，也不再穿紧身裤，因为紧身裤不是制服的一部分。
In his deposition, George Gorman said, quote, "we determined it was best that the lifeguards wear the uniforms that they're assigned to wear while they're on duty."
乔治·戈尔曼在证词中说道，“我们认为救生员最好在值班时穿着指定的制服。”
Seems reasonable, right?
看起来很合理，对吧？
Not if you're Roy.
如果你是罗伊就不会。
He points out, if jammers really are significantly faster, wouldn't you want your lifeguards to wear a faster suit?
他指出，如果干扰器真的速度更快，你难道不希望你的救生员穿更快的衣服吗？
Get them out to drowning victims sooner?
尽快将他们救出给溺水者吗？
And as it happens, New York Parks and Rec allows lifeguards to take their qualifying test in jammers in the rest of the state.
碰巧的是，纽约公园和娱乐中心允许救生员在该州其他地方使用干扰器参加资格测试。
Upstate.
北部。
I went upstate to take the test.
我去北部参加考试。
And I wore my jammers.
我穿着干扰裤。
You took the test upstate?
你参加了北部地区的考试吗？
Roy Lester Yes.
罗伊·莱斯特 是的。
And I wore my jammers.
我穿着干扰裤。
And people wore the jammers.
人们穿着干扰器。
And I have pictures of that.
我有那张照片。
And it's part of the exhibit, of guys taking the test in their jammers.
这是展览的一部分，人们穿着干扰器接受测试。
Upstate?
北部？
Roy Lester Yes.
罗伊·莱斯特 是的。
The same employer.
同一个雇主。
New York State Department of Recreation, the same employer, allows the jammers.
纽约州娱乐部（同一雇主）允许使用干扰器。
So your theory about this is that they are targeting Long Island because why?
所以你的理论是他们瞄准长岛，因为为什么？
Because 90% of the older, the over-50 lifeguards work on Long Island.
因为 50 岁以上的救生员中 90% 都是老年人，在长岛工作。
It's the biggest group of older lifeguards anywhere.
这是世界上最大的老年救生员群体。
For what it's worth, the state told me that the rules are different on Long Island because it's a more strenuous job lifeguarding on the ocean-- upstate it's all lakes and pools.
不管怎样，州政府告诉我，长岛的规定有所不同，因为海上救生员的工作更加繁重——在州北部，到处都是湖泊和泳池。
Why do you think it is that they don't want older lifeguards?
你认为为什么他们不想要年长的救生员？
Well, I think they don't like the fact that older lifeguards have influence over the younger guys.
嗯，我认为他们不喜欢年长的救生员对年轻人的影响。
And when you're a member of management, you don't want anybody having influence over your employees except you.
当您是管理层成员时，您不希望除您之外的任何人对您的员工产生影响。
And when you have to deal with the union, and you have to deal with the offices of the unions who are all older guys, and they know the beach, you don't want that.
当你必须与工会打交道时，你必须与工会办公室打交道时，他们都是老家伙，他们了解海滩，你不希望这样。
Yep, there's a lifeguard union.
是的，有一个救生员工会。
Roy was the president of the union for years.
罗伊担任工会主席多年。
And at that point in 2007, when he refused to wear the Speedo, he was the union's chief negotiator.
2007 年，当他拒绝穿 Speedo 时，他是工会的首席谈判代表。
When Sue Giuliani tells him to follow the rules--
当苏·朱利安尼告诉他要遵守规则时——
So that you cannot wear.
以至于不能穿。
Dana Chivvis --she knows him.
达纳·奇维斯——她认识他。
He's the guy the union sends to argue its side.
他是工会派来为工会辩护的人。
And these guys telling him he can't wear his jammers?
这些人告诉他不能穿干扰裤？
They're management.
他们是管理层。
This is a scantily clad labor dispute.
这是一起衣着暴露的劳资纠纷。
I asked some other older lifeguards about this.
我就此询问了其他一些年长的救生员。
And three out of the four of them agreed.
四个人中有三人同意了。
This is about the union, which actually has a history of fighting age discrimination.
这是关于工会的，该工会实际上有反对年龄歧视的历史。
In 1966, they went on strike because the state tried to impose an age limit of 35 for Jones Beach lifeguards.
1966年，他们举行罢工，因为州政府试图将琼斯海滩救生员的年龄限制为35岁。
So they walked off the beach.
于是他们离开了海滩。
A week later, the state caved.
一周后，该州屈服了。
Knowing this-- that the suits and the swimsuits have a history with each other-- that helped me understand what Roy's fight was really about.
知道这一点——套装和泳衣有着彼此的历史——这帮助我理解了罗伊的战斗的真正意义。
Roy told me one reason he took a stand was that management was supposed to tell the union if they wanted to change a rule like this.
罗伊告诉我，他采取立场的一个原因是，管理层应该告诉工会他们是否想改变这样的规则。
And this time, they didn't.
而这一次，他们没有。
Roy's got a weekend job now at a private beach club.
罗伊现在在一家私人海滩俱乐部找到了一份周末工作。
But it's not the same.
但这不一样。
I like where I'm working now.
我喜欢我现在工作的地方。
I really do.
我真的这么做。
But you get one rescue a year if you're lucky.
但如果你幸运的话，你每年都会得到一次救援。
And then it's what's called a puddle jumper.
然后就是所谓的水坑跳线。
What is a puddle jumper?
什么是水坑毛衣？
Roy Lester A puddle jumper is where you really don't even need to get your head wet.
Roy Lester 水坑毛衣让你根本不需要把头弄湿。
And at Jones Beach in the old days, we would have these tremendous rescues, just these great rescues.
过去在琼斯海滩，我们会进行这些巨大的救援，只是这些伟大的救援。
His friends from Jones Beach tease him that he's in exile now.
他来自琼斯海滩的朋友取笑他说他现在正在流亡。
Not that often.
不那么频繁。
I keep in touch with them constantly, but I don't go down there that often.
我经常与他们保持联系，但我不经常去那里。
To be honest, it does hurt.
说实话，确实很痛。
It hurts to go down there.
下去很痛。
That was my beach.
那是我的海滩。
It was my home for so many years.
多年来，这里一直是我的家。
If Roy's theory is true, then the state is trying to get rid of the older lifeguards on Long Island by forcing them into Speedos.
如果罗伊的理论是正确的，那么该州正试图通过强迫长岛的老年救生员穿泳衣来摆脱他们。
But if that's true, as far as I can tell, the only lifeguard they've managed to get rid of is Roy.
但如果这是真的，据我所知，他们唯一设法摆脱的救生员就是罗伊。
Dana Chivvis is one of the producers of our show.
达纳·奇夫维斯 (Dana Chivvis) 是我们节目的制片人之一。
Act Two, Say Yes to Summer.
第二幕，对夏天说“是”。
So I just finished making a movie with Mike Birbiglia, who is on our show sometimes.
我刚刚和迈克·比尔比利亚 (Mike Birbiglia) 一起制作了一部电影，他有时会出现在我们的节目中。
And the movie's about improv comedians.
这部电影是关于即兴喜剧演员的。
And I thought that it would be fun to invite some here on the show to do stuff about summer.
我认为邀请一些人来节目中做一些关于夏天的事情会很有趣。
And we got some great ones-- John Lutz, Tami Sagher, Connor Ratliff, Gary Richardson, Kate Micucci, Shannon O'Neill, who's the artistic director of improv theater The Upright Citizens Brigade Theater.
我们还有一些很棒的人——约翰·卢茨、塔米·萨格、康纳·拉特利夫、加里·理查森、凯特·米库奇、香农·奥尼尔，他是即兴剧院正直公民旅剧院的艺术总监。
Mike Birbiglia came, too.
迈克·比尔比利亚也来了。
And they did this show at The Upright Citizens Brigade theater in New York.
他们在纽约的 The Upright Citizens Brigade 剧院演出了这个节目。
And they did it in this style of improv where the way it works is that somebody tells a true story on stage.
他们以这种即兴表演的方式做到了，其运作方式是有人在舞台上讲述一个真实的故事。
And then the performers make up scenes based on things in that real story.
然后表演者根据真实故事中的事物编造场景。
And then somebody else tells another true story which kicks off more improvised scenes, and so on.
然后其他人讲述了另一个真实的故事，开始了更多的即兴场景，等等。
And so, if you just want to picture this, the cast and I are on stage.
所以，如果你只是想想象这一幕，我和演员们都在舞台上。
There's an audience.
有观众。
And we started this show with a true story that I told.
我们以我讲述的一个真实故事开始这个节目。
So when I was 13, my parents had enough money to take us on one of our very first family vacations.
所以当我 13 岁的时候，我的父母有足够的钱带我们去第一次家庭度假。
And we went to Florida.
我们去了佛罗里达。
And one of the things that made this possible was we got a deal on the hotel.
使这一切成为可能的原因之一是我们达成了酒店协议。
My dad was an accountant.
我的父亲是一名会计师。
I grew up in Baltimore.
我在巴尔的摩长大。
And we got the deal because my dad was the accountant for the Baltimore branch franchise of the Playboy Club.
我们之所以能达成这笔交易，是因为我父亲是花花公子俱乐部巴尔的摩分公司的会计师。
And I would just say now it's sort of hard to remember, if you're under 40, I think, there was a point where Playboy was cool.
我想说的是，现在有点难以记住，如果你还不到 40 岁，我想，花花公子曾经很酷。
It's sort of unimaginable now.
现在看来真是难以想象。
But if you imagine you couldn't get porn on your phone.
但如果你想象你无法在手机上观看色情内容。
And so we were going to go down.
所以我们要下去。
Playboy owned hotels.
花花公子拥有的酒店。
And they had a hotel in Miami called the Playboy Plaza.
他们在迈阿密有一家名为花花公子广场的酒店。
So we were going to be at this hotel that seemed very glamorous.
所以我们要去这家看起来非常迷人的酒店。
There were going to be Playboy bunnies at the hotel serving drinks at the bar and at the pool.
酒店里会有花花公子兔子在酒吧和泳池里提供饮料。
I was a 13-year-old boy.
我当时是一个13岁的男孩。
This was incredible.
这太不可思议了。
We were going to fly in an airplane.
我们要乘坐飞机。
It was one of the very first times I ever did that-- also incredible.
这是我第一次这样做——也令人难以置信。
There would be the ocean, which being from Baltimore, we called (IN BALTIMORE ACCENT) the ocean.
会有海洋，它来自巴尔的摩，我们称之为（用巴尔的摩口音）海洋。
And so this had all the makings of a great vacation.
所以这已经具备了一次愉快假期的所有要素。
And then when we got to the hotel, it was everything we wanted.
当我们到达酒店时，这就是我们想要的一切。
And in addition, The Jackson 5 was staying there.
此外，杰克逊五兄弟也住在那里。
August of 1972, Michael Jackson and I are the same age.
1972 年 8 月，迈克尔·杰克逊和我同龄。
We were both 13.
当时我们都13岁。
And so you would see The Jackson 5 come out of the elevator for dinner, dressed all in completely matching gold suede suits with fringe.
所以你会看到杰克逊五人从电梯里出来吃晚饭，他们穿着完全配套的带流苏的金色绒面革西装。
And you would see them at the pool just like playing in the pool like other kids, which was us.
你会看到他们在泳池边，就像其他孩子一样在泳池里玩耍，这就是我们。
And I should say, I remember goofing around in the pool with the youngest one, who was seven years old-- a girl-- because she seemed like the most approachable.
我应该说，我记得和最小的一个七岁的女孩一起在游泳池里闲逛，因为她看起来是最平易近人的。
I knew she wasn't actually famous.
我知道她实际上并不出名。
Later, of course, I learned she is Janet Jackson.
当然，后来我知道她是珍妮·杰克逊。
I played Marco Polo with Janet Jackson.
我和珍妮·杰克逊一起扮演马可·波罗。
And I have brought with me a photo of me and Michael Jackson from that vacation.
我还带来了一张我和迈克尔·杰克逊那个假期的照片。
I have it here.
我这里有。
Now before I show this to you, I want to just-- I need to preface with some context, which is that while the Jacksons were becoming international superstars, I myself was working in the entertainment business.
现在，在我向你们展示这一点之前，我想——我需要先介绍一些背景，即当杰克逊一家成为国际超级巨星时，我本人正在娱乐业工作。
I had gone to the Baltimore County Public Library and taken out some books on how to do magic tricks.
我去了巴尔的摩县公共图书馆，拿出了一些关于如何表演魔术的书。
And I was doing birthday parties all over Baltimore County for fees as high as $10-- also animal balloonery.
我在巴尔的摩县各地举办生日派对，费用高达 10 美元——还有动物气球。
And so here is the photo.
这是照片。
And the audience here can see that my back is to the camera.
这里的观众可以看到我背对着镜头。
What I'm doing-- you can't see my hands.
我在做什么——你看不到我的手。
I'm doing the disappearing coin trick.
我正在表演硬币消失的魔术。
And the expression on Michael Jackson's face?
迈克尔·杰克逊脸上的表情是什么？
He is literally rolling his eyes.
他真的在翻白眼。
So just to explain to the radio audience, the cast is sitting on stools with microphones.
因此，为了向广播听众解释一下，演员们坐在带有麦克风的凳子上。
And so you guys heard the opening story.
你们听了开头的故事。
It's on you.
就靠你了。
Marco.
马可.
Woman 1 You really don't know where we are?
女人1 你真的不知道我们在哪里吗？
I love The Jackson 5.
我喜欢杰克逊五人组。
Man 2 Well, what do you say, guys?
男人2 好吧，你们说什么，伙计们？
Should we give them a show?
我们应该给他们表演一下吗？
Hey, you're not going to sing the pool song without Tito.
嘿，如果没有蒂托，你就不会唱台球歌。
Hey, guys.
嘿，伙计们。
I heard we're singing the new pool song.
我听说我们正在唱新的台球歌曲。
Hold on.
坚持，稍等。
Let me put on my swimming gloves.
让我戴上游泳手套。
Oh, no. I lost one.
哦，不。我丢了一个。
So are we going to sing this pool song or what?
那么我们要唱这首台球歌曲还是什么？
Well, I've got my bass guitar right here.
嗯，我的贝斯吉他就在这儿。
I'm could walk us on in with a--
我可以带我们进去——
[SCAT SINGING] Woman 2 (SINGING) Dip that toe in the water.
[SCAT 唱歌] 女人 2（唱歌）将脚趾浸入水中。
Dip that toe in the water.
将脚趾浸入水中。
(SINGING) I'm sliding down the slide.
（唱歌）我正从滑梯上滑下来。
I'm sliding down the slide, splishy splash.
我从滑梯上滑下来，溅起水花。
Sliding down the slide.
从滑梯上滑下来。
Sliding down the slide.
从滑梯上滑下来。
Come on, everybody.
来吧，大家。
(SINGING) Welcome The Jackson 5 to your local hotel pool.
（唱歌）欢迎杰克逊五人组来到您当地的酒店泳池。
Welcome us, the five of us.
欢迎我们，我们五个人。
You can take this tale to school.
你可以把这个故事带到学校。
(SINGING) Sliding down the slide.
（唱歌）从滑梯上滑下来。
Sliding down the slide.
从滑梯上滑下来。
Again, we're workshopping it.
再次，我们正在研讨它。
Comedian End scene.
喜剧演员结束场景。
Excuse me.
打扰一下。
Waiter Yes?
服务员 是吗？
How can I help you?
我怎么帮你？
Yes, I'm here with my son.
是的，我和我儿子在这里。
Perhaps you recognize him from birthday parties across Bernard County.
也许您在伯纳德县的生日聚会上认出了他。
I'm-- OK.
我可以。
I don't recognize him from that, but--
我没认出他来，但是——
Joshy, introduce yourself.
乔希，自我介绍一下。
Joshy Hello.
乔希 你好。
My name is Joshy the Magnificent.
我的名字是伟大的乔希。
And we've been waiting in this corner booth for five minutes.
我们已经在这个角落的摊位等了五分钟了。
And no one has come to wait on us.
也没有人来等我们。
Oh, I'm very sorry about that.
哦，对此我感到非常抱歉。
I can take your order right now if you want.
如果您需要的话，我现在就可以接受您的订单。
How about some drinks?
来点饮料怎么样？
How can we order when the menus have disappeared?
当菜单消失后我们如何点餐？
Ta-da!
哒哒！
Waiter I'm going to get you guys some water.
服务员，我去给你们倒点水。
And I'll be back with some menus.
我会带着一些菜单回来。
Joshy will have a glass of sour milk, please.
请乔希喝一杯酸牛奶。
All right.
好的。
All right.
好的。
I'll be right back.
我马上回来。
I love you so much.
我真的很爱你。
So much.
就这么多。
Joshy So much.
乔希 这么多。
End scene.
结束场景。
Mike Birbiglia I think what's special about summer when you're a kid is that it doesn't even feel like the rest of your life.
迈克·比尔比利亚（Mike Birbiglia） 我认为，当你还是个孩子的时候，夏天的特别之处在于，它甚至感觉不像你的余生。
Like, you feel like there's life, and then there's summer.
就像，你感觉有生命，然后就有了夏天。
And then when you get older-- I'm embarrassed to admit this-- I'm barely aware that it's summer.
然后当你变老时——我不好意思承认这一点——我几乎不知道现在是夏天。
And I'm like, OK, it's summer.
我想，好吧，现在是夏天了。
Like, I'll just--
就像，我会——
I'll have that thing, too, when it starts getting hot where it's like, ugh, it's getting a little hot.
我也会有那个东西，当它开始变热的时候，就像，呃，有点热了。
I never had that as a kid.
我小时候从来没有这样过。
You'd be excited when it's hot because--
天热的时候你会很兴奋，因为——
I don't know as a kid, so often the family reunions were in hot ass Pensacola, Florida, like unbelievably hot and populated with 100% old people.
我不知道小时候，家庭聚会经常在佛罗里达州的彭萨科拉举行，那里热得令人难以置信，而且里面都是 100% 的老人。
So nobody was out-- it wasn't even like kids were out playing.
所以没有人出去——甚至不像孩子们出去玩耍。
So I was acutely aware of how hot it was because I would get outside and just stand there.
所以我敏锐地意识到天气有多热，因为我会走到外面站在那里。
It would be me and my cousins just standing, looking around, hoping for something to inspire us to play.
我和我的表兄弟只是站着，环顾四周，希望能找到一些东西来激励我们玩耍。
Like, these old people didn't have balls or anything to do, so we would just walk to get a juice and drink the whole juice on the way back home because we were dying.
就像，这些老人没有球，也没有什么可做的，所以我们只能步行去买果汁，然后在回家的路上喝掉所有的果汁，因为我们快要死了。
Ugh, Pensacola sucks.
呃，彭萨科拉太糟糕了。
I hate-- I hate Pensacola, Florida.
我讨厌——我讨厌佛罗里达州的彭萨科拉。
What?
什么？
Carl There's a bunch of children just standing.
卡尔 有一群孩子站着。
That one sounded a little bit like John Lennon.
那个人听起来有点像约翰·列侬。
What is this?
这是什么？
You're right.
你说得对。
You're right.
你说得对。
Jane, you're right.
简，你说得对。
Toys.
玩具。
Carl That was unmistakably a Liverpool accent.
卡尔 那毫无疑问是利物浦口音。
I'm John Lennon.
我是约翰·列侬。
I'm visiting with these children.
我正在拜访这些孩子。
Jane!
简！
What do we do, Jane?
我们该怎么办，简？
Jane Do we adopt them?
简 我们收养他们吗？
I don't know, Carl.
我不知道，卡尔。
Who says we can't?
谁说我们不能？
Teacher 1 So class, we've got a new sixth grader who has just moved to town.
老师 1 同学们，我们有一位新的六年级学生，他刚刚搬到城里。
So, John, why don't you tell the class a little bit about yourself?
那么，约翰，你为什么不向全班同学介绍一下你自己呢？
I'm from Liverpool.
我来自利物浦。
Teacher 1 All right, John.
老师 1 好的，约翰。
Why don't you have a seat over there by Shelley?
你为什么不在雪莱那边找个座位呢？
And--
还有——
Yeah, sit next to me.
是的，坐在我旁边。
Teacher 1 Oh, you don't seem to be fitting in that desk.
老师 1 哦，你似乎不适合坐在那张桌子上。
I'm a full-grown man.
我是一个成熟的男人了。
Teacher 1 All right.
1号老师 好的。
Well, Terry, you were in the middle of your talk about what you did this summer.
好吧，特里，你正在谈论你今年夏天所做的事情。
Yes, this summer I went on a cruise to the Bahamas-- me, my mom, my dad, my younger brother Jason.
是的，今年夏天我、我的妈妈、我的爸爸、我的弟弟杰森一起乘船去了巴哈马。
We got on the cruise.
我们上了游轮。
And there was 100 bedrooms.
有100间卧室。
100 bedrooms.
100间卧室。
And in the morning, you get up and everybody has breakfast together.
早上，你起床，大家一起吃早餐。
And sometimes there's different entertainers in the middle of the day.
有时中午会有不同的艺人表演。
If you don't want to go to the entertainer, you can go swim or you can go lay on the deck.
如果您不想去看艺人，您可以去游泳，也可以去躺在甲板上。
And once we port-- that's what they call it when the boat stops in the city-- once you port, you and your family get together.
一旦我们靠港——船在城里停下来时他们就是这么称呼的——一旦你靠港，你和你的家人就会团聚。
Make sure you have your passport.
确保您有护照。
Because if you don't, they might not let you back on the boat, no matter what.
因为如果你不这样做，无论如何他们都可能不会让你回到船上。
We do all this.
我们做这一切。
Then we, uh-- oo, one time, my brother stepped on a jellyfish.
然后我们，呃——哦，有一次，我哥哥踩到了一只水母。
I have a story.
我有一个故事。
I'm the biggest pop star in all the world.
我是世界上最大牌的流行歌星。
John, just one second, please.
约翰，请等一下。
Terry is telling a very interesting story.
特里正在讲述一个非常有趣的故事。
I made the biggest hits in all of America and also in Britain.
我在美国和英国都引起了轰动。
Shh.
嘘。
Terry Oh, do you want me to tell you what happens when you get back on the boat?
特里哦，你想让我告诉你当你回到船上后会发生什么吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Terry OK, you get back on the boat.
特里 好的，你回到船上吧。
And you go upstairs.
然后你上楼。
And you have dinner.
你吃晚饭了。
And the dinner can either be pork, or it can be chicken, or it can be just vegetables because some people don't even like meat stuff.
晚餐可以是猪肉，也可以是鸡肉，也可以只是蔬菜，因为有些人甚至不喜欢吃肉。
They just want to eat vegetables.
他们只想吃蔬菜。
Can you believe it?
你能相信吗？
Scene.
场景。
Comedian I stole once over a summer.
一个夏天我偷了一次喜剧演员。
I was 10 years old, I believe.
我相信，当时我10岁。
And I was on a cruise, actually, in Cancun, Mexico.
事实上，我正在墨西哥坎昆的游轮上。
I was playing with some keychain that had a basketball on it because I was a huge basketball guy back then.
我正在玩一些上面有篮球的钥匙扣，因为我当时是一个篮球大佬。
I'm still a big basketball guy.
我仍然是一个篮球大佬。
I love the sport.
我喜欢这项运动。
So I'm spinning it around on my finger.
所以我把它放在手指上旋转。
And we leave the store.
然后我们离开了商店。
And maybe 20 minutes later, I realize I've still got it.
大概 20 分钟后，我意识到我仍然明白了。
And I'm freaking out because this was a summer that when I was younger, I did taekwondo.
我很害怕，因为那是我年轻时练跆拳道的一个夏天。
And one year, I went to state and placed at state, was supposed to go to regionals-- oh no, not regionals.
有一年，我去了州，并被安排在州，本来应该去地区——哦，不，不是地区。
I went to state, then regionals.
我去了州，然后是地区。
I was supposed to go to the national tournament in Las Vegas, Nevada.
我本来应该去内华达州拉斯维加斯参加全国锦标赛。
But I passed to go on this cruise.
但我通过了这次游轮旅行。
And I found out that had I gone to Las Vegas, I would have been one of four people in my age and weight division.
我发现如果我去拉斯维加斯，我就会成为同龄和体重组中的四个人之一。
And I would have automatically been going to represent the United States of America in Korea.
我自然会代表美利坚合众国参加韩国比赛。
And I passed on that cruise around the Gulf of Mexico.
我错过了绕墨西哥湾的那次航行。
Wait, wait wait.
等等，等等。
Are you bringing up the theft because you thought it was causal?
您提起盗窃案是因为您认为这是因果关系吗？
Like the fact that you did this bad thing led to you not going to Korea?
就像你做了这件坏事导致你不去韩国一样？
No. I thought that I can't believe that instead of being in Korea, I'm here stealing.
不，我想我不敢相信我不是在韩国，而是在这里偷窃。
I was freaking out because I saw two very different paths in my life.
我吓坏了，因为我在人生中看到了两条截然不同的道路。
And I had chose the wrong one.
而我却选错了。
I had picked the wrong path.
我选错了路。
Sam, you don't want to go on the class trip?
萨姆，你不想参加班级旅行吗？
No, because I have a chance to go on this cruise.
不，因为我有机会参加这次巡游。
And it just sounds like way more fun.
听起来更有趣。
So have a good time on-- the trip sounds fun for some other people.
所以祝你玩得开心——对于其他一些人来说，这次旅行听起来很有趣。
I didn't want to mention this to the rest of the class, Sam--
我不想向班上其他同学提起这件事，萨姆——
Yeah-- Cooper Then why am I still here?
是的——库珀 那我为什么还在这里？
I'm leaving.
我要走了。
No one ever tells me anything.
没有人告诉我任何事情。
You do not move.
你不动。
You are in punishment.
你正处于惩罚之中。
That is why you are still here.
这就是为什么你还在这里。
OK.
好的。
Teacher 2 Maybe, Cooper, instead of asking me why you are still here, you should ask yourself why you're still here.
老师2 也许，库珀，你应该问自己为什么还在这里，而不是问我为什么你还在这里。
Cooper, why am I still here?
库珀，我为什么还在这里？
Cause I'm cool.
因为我很酷。
Wrong answer, Cooper, wrong answer.
错误的答案，库珀，错误的答案。
So, Sam, honey--
所以，山姆，亲爱的——
Should I go on a trip?
我应该去旅行吗？
I mean, I feel like I don't think I'll be missing out.
我的意思是，我觉得我不会错过。
Sam OK, I didn't tell the rest of the class this.
萨姆：好吧，我没有告诉班上其他人这件事。
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Teacher 2 And I know the permission slip says we're just going to Great America to do physics calculations.
老师 2 我知道许可单上写着我们要去大美国做物理计算。
Yeah.
是的。
Teacher 2 But when we get there, there's a physics bowl that's going to happen.
老师 2 但是当我们到达那里时，将会发生一个物理碗。
That's it?
就是这样？
Teacher 2 No, Cooper, that's not it.
老师 2 不，库珀，不是这样的。
OK, because that was kind of lame.
好吧，因为那有点蹩脚。
Hey, why are you here, Cooper?
嘿，你为什么在这里，库珀？
Because you're the best, man.
因为你是最棒的，伙计。
Give me five!
给我五个！
I can't because I'm me.
我不能，因为我就是我。
But I mean, I could go to the beach and be on the ocean.
但我的意思是，我可以去海滩，在大海上。
That sounds way better.
听起来好多了。
Sam But I mean, if you really need--
萨姆但我的意思是，如果你真的需要——
Cooper likes your idea, huh?
库珀喜欢你的主意，是吧？
Do you want to be like a Cooper?
你想成为库珀那样的人吗？
Well, not really because he picks his nose a lot but--
嗯，并不是真的因为他经常抠鼻子，而是——
That's 'cause it's tasty!
那是因为它很好吃！
Comedian Scene.
喜剧演员场景。
I feel like there's something about summer when you're a kid where I have all these memories as a teenager where we'd walk around town late at night when we were probably like 13, 14 years old.
我觉得小时候的夏天有一些东西，我有十几岁的所有这些记忆，我们可能在 13、14 岁的时候，深夜在城里散步。
And we wouldn't have a plan.
我们不会有计划。
But we had nowhere to be.
但我们无处可去。
So we'd walk to one of our friend's houses.
所以我们步行到一位朋友的家。
Then we'd walk to the White Hen Pantry.
然后我们步行到白母鸡食品储藏室。
And we'd order sandwiches.
我们还点了三明治。
And we'd just sit there on the corner.
我们就坐在角落里。
And we were like, this is pretty cool.
我们当时想，这太酷了。
Hey, listen, I know we don't normally plan this out, but I went ahead and made an itinerary.
嘿，听着，我知道我们通常不会计划这个，但我继续制定了行程。
Here's yours.
这是你的。
OK.
好的。
Teenager 1 Got enough for everybody.
青少年 1 对每个人来说都足够了。
So, I mean, like right now, it says we meet up, pass out itineraries.
所以，我的意思是，就像现在一样，它说我们见面，分发行程。
Yeah, I feel like that that was an unnecessary step because--
是的，我觉得这是一个不必要的步骤，因为——
Kind of takes away the fun right?
有点失去乐趣吧？
Isn't that what--
这难道不是——
Hey, Connor, I got this.
嘿，康纳，我明白了。
It said I should show up at 7:52 and just reject you guys?
上面说我应该在 7:52 出现然后拒绝你们？
Don't do that again.
不要再这样做了。
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
[插话]
I mean, it's working.
我的意思是，它正在发挥作用。
Yeah, it's working.
是的，它正在工作。
I mean, that was--
我的意思是，那是——
It's right on time.
来得正是时候。
I think it didn't hurt as much because there was an inevitability to it that--
我认为它并没有那么痛，因为这是不可避免的——
Scene.
场景。
Comedian I was always really bad at getting or finding summer jobs that weren't terrible.
喜剧演员 我总是很不擅长获得或找到并不糟糕的暑期工作。
And--
还有——
You're bad at finding real-life jobs that aren't terrible.
你不擅长找到现实生活中并不糟糕的工作。
Thanks, Tami.
谢谢，塔米。
I'll have you know I'm going be dressed as a pretzel all next week.
我会让你知道下周我会打扮成椒盐卷饼。
In what context?
在什么背景下？
Comedian Honestly, I've said too much already.
喜剧演员 老实说，我已经说得太多了。
You can tell us, but you guys just can't tell anybody.
你可以告诉我们，但你们不能告诉任何人。
Why will you be dressed like a pretzel next week?
为什么下周你要穿得像椒盐卷饼一样？
Nobody tweet this.
没有人发推文。
Comedian National branded snack mix, internet only, ad content.
喜剧演员国家品牌零食组合，仅限互联网，广告内容。
I don't think anybody could fit that in a tweet.
我认为没有人可以在推文中表达这一点。
I think my favorite part is that you thought by saying it that we could ruin it.
我想我最喜欢的部分是你认为我们可以毁掉它。
All right.
好的。
So anyway, one summer there was this local sandwich shop in my hometown.
不管怎样，有一年夏天，我的家乡开了一家当地的三明治店。
And the guy who owned the sandwich shop, he also owned these fireworks stands that would go up near the highway.
三明治店的老板，他也拥有这些在高速公路附近的烟花摊。
And they needed someone to guard the fireworks stand at night.
他们需要有人在晚上看守烟花摊。
And I heard about this job opportunity.
我听说了这个工作机会。
And so I said, are you looking for someone?
所以我说，你在找人吗？
And he said, yeah, are you willing to do it?
他说，是的，你愿意这样做吗？
And I said, what do I need to do?
我说，我需要做什么？
And I was going to make $500 for the night.
我今晚可以赚 500 美元。
I would show up at 9:00 or 10:00 at night or something, whenever they were closing.
我会在晚上 9:00 或 10:00 或其他时间出现，每当他们关门的时候。
And then I would just sit in the tent all night until morning.
然后我会整夜坐在帐篷里直到早上。
Wait, $500?
等等，500 美元？
Comedian That's so much money?
喜剧演员有这么多钱吗？
For one night?
住一晚？
Comedian Yeah.
喜剧演员 是啊。
It was $400 or $500.
是 400 美元或 500 美元。
That's significantly more than you're making to be a pretzel.
这比你做椒盐卷饼的钱要多得多。
That's not true, actually.
事实上，这不是真的。
Comedian Wait.
喜剧演员等等。
I wouldn't be-- Comedian Wait, Collin, you realize that was, for sure, guns or drugs.
我不会——喜剧演员等等，科林，你知道那肯定是枪支或毒品。
I don't know.
我不知道。
All I know is I made up big plans.
我只知道我制定了宏伟的计划。
I had a black-and-white portable television I brought with myself.
我随身携带了一台黑白便携式电视。
I'll just watch TV all night and read.
我会整晚看电视和读书。
And so I showed up.
于是我就出现了。
And there were a bunch of people already there.
那里已经有一群人了。
And I said, hi, I'm supposed to guard the fireworks stand.
我说，嗨，我应该看守烟花摊。
And they said, no, you're not.
他们说，不，你不是。
And I said, what?
我说，什么？
And they were like, we're doing it.
他们说，我们正在做。
And I was like, I was told I was hired to do this job.
我当时想，我被告知我被雇用来做这份工作。
And it was supposed to be $500 for the night.
一晚的费用应该是 500 美元。
And they're like, oh, there was a mix-up.
他们就像，哦，有一个混淆。
And I was like, oh.
我当时想，哦。
And so they said come back next week and you can do next week.
所以他们说下周再来，你可以下周做。
So I thought, oh, OK, well, that's good.
所以我想，哦，好吧，那很好。
And so the next week I went to the fireworks stand on Saturday night to guard it.
于是下周周六晚上我就去烟花摊看守。
And the same bunch of guys were there.
那里还有同一群人。
And they're like, nah, it was a mix-up.
他们就像，不，这是一个混淆。
I think they just lied to me as a trick, just to see this teenager show up and just tell him to go away.
我认为他们只是骗我作为一个诡计，只是为了看到这个少年出现并告诉他走开。
So what you're going to do is you're going to guard this area right here.
所以你要做的就是守卫这里的这个区域。
Sure.
当然。
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊，是啊。
Cool.
凉爽的。
So just get here--
所以就到这里吧——
You're just going to guard the beach.
你只负责守卫海滩。
If anyone walks down the beach, you're just going to give them the business.
如果有人沿着海滩散步，你就会把生意交给他们。
OK.
好的。
Yeah, I can do that.
是的，我能做到。
Be here at sundown?
日落时到这里吗？
Hang out all night?
整夜闲逛？
You get here at sundown.
你在日落时到达这里。
You stay here all night.
你整晚都待在这里。
Cool.
凉爽的。
Yeah.
是的。
Milky Joe And if anything goes down--
Milky Joe 如果有什么事情发生的话——
And you're giving me $12,000?
你给我 12,000 美元？
Milky Joe That's right.
牛奶乔 没错。
Cool.
凉爽的。
Cool.
凉爽的。
Milky Joe I will cut you a cashier's check in the morning.
牛奶乔，我早上会给你开一张银行本票。
Awesome.
惊人的。
Yeah, awesome.
是啊，太棒了。
Milky Joe 6:00 AM, I will be here with a cashier's check--
Milky Joe 早上 6:00，我会带着银行本票来——
Cut to sunset.
切到日落。
Kid Yeah, I'm here to watch the beach.
孩子 是的，我是来看海滩的。
Oh, no, man.
哦，不，伙计。
I'm watching the beach tonight, baby.
今晚我正在看海滩，宝贝。
OK, well, I was told that this dude who makes milkshakes at the sandwich shop I go to--
好吧，好吧，有人告诉我，这个在我去的三明治店做奶昔的家伙——
Yeah, Milky Joe?
是吗，牛奶乔？
Kid Yeah, yeah, Milky Joe.
孩子 是的，是的，牛奶乔。
Yeah, a mix-up with Milky Joe.
是的，和牛奶乔混淆了。
Milky Joe told me I'm watching the beach tonight.
乳白乔告诉我今晚要去看海滩。
Gotcha.
明白了。
Milky Joe brought me here this afternoon.
今天下午，牛奶乔带我来这里。
Yeah, that was later than what happened with me on the other time that it did.
是的，那比我上次发生的事情要晚。
So it was all fixed.
所以一切都解决了。
It was so crazy.
太疯狂了。
It was the other side of the time that you did it.
你是在时间的另一边做这件事的。
Oh, OK.
哦，好吧。
Cool.
凉爽的。
Cool, cool.
酷，酷。
Comedian Cut to the next day.
喜剧演员切到第二天。
An office.
一间办公室。
There's a window out to the ocean.
有一个窗户可以看到大海。
And there's a picture right here that says "we own the beach."
这里有一张照片，上面写着“我们拥有海滩”。
Hey, I want you to come look out this window, will you?
嘿，我想让你看看窗外，可以吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Boss You know what I'm not seeing?
老板你知道我没有看到什么吗？
Any beach.
任何海滩。
Well, maybe someone-- Boss I specifically told you to get someone to guard the beach last night--
嗯，也许有人——老大我昨晚特意告诉你要派人看守海滩——
I hired-- Boss --so that something like this wouldn't happen.
我雇佣了——老板——这样的事情就不会发生。
I hired two guys.
我雇了两个人。
I hired two guys to watch the beach.
我雇了两个人看海滩。
Did you tell them that they were to work together?
你有告诉他们要一起工作吗？
No. Well, I hired them in opposition to one another.
不，好吧，我雇佣他们是为了互相反对。
Like, I don't know how they hire security guards where you come from, but where I come from you pay somebody $12,000, they watch the beach.
就像，我不知道你来自哪里，他们如何雇佣保安，但我来自哪里，你付给某人 12,000 美元，他们看守海滩。
Mom, don't come down here.
妈妈，别下来。
Mom What?
妈妈 什么？
This is my house.
这是我的房子。
Ma.
妈。
Mom Don't tell me where I can and cannot go.
妈妈不要告诉我哪里可以去，哪里不可以去。
Fine.
美好的。
Just-- Mom What is all of this sand?
只是——妈妈这些沙子是什么？
Cooper!
库珀！
End scene.
结束场景。
Ira Glass Mike Birbiglia, John Lutz, Kate Micucci, Shannon O'Neill, Connor Ratliff, Gary Richardson, and Tami Sagher.
艾拉·格拉斯、迈克·比尔比利亚、约翰·卢茨、凯特·米库奇、香农·奥尼尔、康纳·拉特利夫、加里·理查森和塔米·萨格尔。
Mike, Kate, and Tami are three of the stars of the film that Mike and I just made called Don't Think Twice .
迈克、凯特和塔米是我和迈克刚刚拍摄的电影《别再三思》的三位主演。
It's not a documentary.
这不是一部纪录片。
It's a feature film.
这是一部故事片。
It's a comedy about a team of improv comedians and stuff that happens to them.
这是一部关于即兴喜剧演员团队以及发生在他们身上的事情的喜剧。
It's in theaters now.
现在正在影院上映。
Coming up, a dad tries something he has never done before, one summer with his family.
接下来，一位父亲在一个夏天与家人一起尝试了他以前从未做过的事情。
That's in a minute on Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台稍后将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同故事。
Today's show, My Summer Self, stories of who we are during the summer.
今天的节目《我的夏日自我》讲述了我们在夏天的故事。
We've arrived at Act Three of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three, It Takes a Villa.
第三幕，需要一座别墅。
So sometimes during the summer, people just decide they are going to try and do things they never do, go on some adventure, attempt something, and just see if it takes, see if this is who they are, see if they are the kind of summery person they have never been till now.
所以有时在夏天，人们决定尝试做一些他们从未做过的事情，进行一些冒险，尝试一些事情，然后看看是否需要，看看这是否是他们自己，看看他们是否是迄今为止从未做过的那种夏天的人。
One of our producers, Neil Drumming, witnessed his dad make an attempt like that.
我们的制作人之一尼尔·德鲁明 (Neil Drumming) 亲眼目睹了他父亲的这种尝试。
In the summer of 1982, my dad did something unexpected, something that seemed unbelievably indulgent.
1982 年夏天，我父亲做了一件出乎意料的事，一件看起来令人难以置信的纵容事。
He took me, my mom, and my brother, and the youngest of my three sisters on the most epic road trip any of us could have possibly imagined at the time.
他带着我、我的妈妈、我的兄弟，以及我三个姐妹中最小的一个，踏上了我们当时所能想象到的最史诗般的公路旅行。
We piled into my dad's Buick Skylark and drove from Queens, New York to the World's Fair in Knoxville, Tennessee, where a robot danced for us, and then down into Orlando, Florida.
我们挤进我父亲的别克云雀，从纽约皇后区开往田纳西州诺克斯维尔的世界博览会，在那里一个机器人为我们跳舞，然后前往佛罗里达州奥兰多。
This was a big deal.
这是一件大事。
Before this, going away meant visiting relatives in South Carolina and sitting uncomfortably among aunts and second cousins whose names I would forget before we'd even pulled out of their dusty driveways.
在此之前，离开意味着去南卡罗来纳州拜访亲戚，并不舒服地坐在阿姨和远房表兄弟姐妹中间，在我们驶出尘土飞扬的车道之前，我就会忘记他们的名字。
This trip was not country heat and sipping sugar water on some rickety porch while listening to the inscrutable conversation of grown folk.
这次旅行不是乡村的炎热，也不是在摇摇晃晃的门廊上喝着糖水，听着成年人不可思议的谈话。
It was what going 1,000 miles from home should feel like.
这就是离家 1000 英里的感觉。
We cruised down a brightly lit street called International Drive.
我们沿着一条灯火通明的街道行驶，这条街道叫做国际大道。
We stayed at a Holiday Inn taller and more grand than any I'd ever seen.
我们住的假日酒店比我见过的任何一家酒店都更高、更宏伟。
Sunlight streamed in through a hole in the ceiling, a hole that was supposed to be there.
阳光从天花板上的一个洞照进来，这个洞本来就在那里。
Our parents took us to a building that looked like a pile of poached eggs, but was actually Xanadu, House of the Future.
我们的父母带我们去了一座看起来像一堆荷包蛋的建筑，但实际上是“世外桃源”，未来之家。
And everywhere, along every roadside, billboards promised that the most magical scene still awaited us, this place, Disney World.
到处都是，每条路边都有广告牌，承诺最神奇的场景仍在等待着我们，这个地方，迪士尼世界。
By all accounts, it was paradise for kids.
从各方面来说，这里都是孩子们的天堂。
But between the gas and the hotels and the eating out, my dad quickly discovered how expensive taking even 60% of his brood on a Disney vacation could be.
但除了汽油、酒店和外出就餐之外，我爸爸很快就发现，即使带着他 60% 的孩子去迪士尼度假也是多么昂贵。
He was resigned to do it, but he wasn't above working the angles.
他无奈地做了这件事，但他并不介意从各个角度进行工作。
He found out that you could get cheap tickets to the Magic Kingdom if you just signed up to sit through an hour or so spiel from someone pitching timeshares.
他发现，如果你报名参加分时度假推销员的大约一个小时的演讲，就可以获得前往神奇王国的廉价机票。
He was in.
他进来了。
The hard sell went down at the Disney Village, a branded mini mall near the famous theme park.
迪士尼村（Disney Village）是著名主题公园附近的一个品牌迷你购物中心，其强行推销失败了。
My mom, dad, and a handful of other determined parents stowed their kids in a room full of toys that had been conveniently provided by the salespeople.
我的妈妈、爸爸和其他一些坚定的父母把他们的孩子放在一个装满玩具的房间里，这些玩具都是销售人员方便提供的。
The parents set about the business of listening-- or not-- waiting patiently for the moment when the closers would stop shilling and start handing out the Disney discounts.
父母们开始倾听——或者不倾听——耐心等待收盘人停止先令并开始发放迪士尼折扣的那一刻。
But while we kids were in another room throwing LEGOs at one another, something surprising happened.
但当我们这些孩子在另一个房间里互相扔乐高积木时，令人惊讶的事情发生了。
My dad bit.
我爸爸咬了。
He went into a closed room to get three-day passes just so that I could eventually lose my glasses on Space Mountain.
他走进一个封闭的房间去拿三天的通行证，这样我最终就可以在太空山上丢掉眼镜。
And he came out with a deed, the deed to something he and my mom were now calling our villa.
他拿出了一份契约，他和我妈妈现在称之为我们别墅的契约。
My father was a bold man, but in retrospect this is the most impetuous action that I have ever seen him take.
我的父亲是个大胆的人，但现在回想起来，这是我见过他采取的最鲁莽的举动。
It cost him about $5,000, which he paid in installments.
他花了大约 5,000 美元，并分期付款。
In 1982, for a guy with five kids who never made more than $33,000 a year at his day job, it was a considerable investment.
1982 年，对于一个有 5 个孩子、日常工作年收入从未超过 33,000 美元的人来说，这是一笔相当大的投资。
For those unfamiliar with timeshares, it may be hard to wrap your head around buying a vacation home that you never really own.
对于那些不熟悉分时度假的人来说，可能很难全神贯注于购买自己从未真正拥有的度假屋。
You pay upfront for it.
您预先支付费用。
There's an annual maintenance fee.
每年都有维护费。
But you only get to stay in it once a year or so, usually for a week at a time.
但你每年只能呆在里面一次，通常一次一周。
It almost sounds like some sort of scam.
这听起来几乎像是某种骗局。
And sometimes it is.
有时确实如此。
But it didn't turn out that way for us.
但我们的情况并非如此。
Instead, it became a fixture in my family.
相反，它成了我家庭的固定组成部分。
My father had chosen as our week the first week in July.
我父亲选择七月的第一周作为我们的一周。
And so every year, during one of the hottest months of the year, we would head down I-95 as always.
因此，每年，在一年中最热的月份之一，我们都会像往常一样沿着 95 号州际公路行驶。
But now, when we pulled into South Carolina to see relatives, that was only a pit stop on the way to our true destination.
但现在，当我们驶入南卡罗来纳州看望亲戚时，那只是通往我们真正目的地的途中的一个停靠站。
We had transformed from people who went away to a family who went on vacation.
我们已经从出差的人变成了度假的一家人。
Our villa was number 317, a two-bedroom apartment with an enclosed back porch that looked out onto a small man-made lake complete with fish and ducks and another summer word that I learned, gazebo.
我们的别墅位于 317 号，是一套两居室公寓，有一个封闭的后门廊，俯瞰着一个小型人造湖，湖里有鱼和鸭子，还有我学到的另一个夏季词：凉亭。
My brother chased cicadas and lizards.
我哥哥追蝉和蜥蜴。
For my sister, the only swimmer among my siblings, there was a pool.
我的姐姐是我兄弟姐妹中唯一会游泳的人，这里有一个游泳池。
There were tennis courts and bikes to rent.
有网球场和自行车出租。
The general store even offered a collection of the latest movies on laser disc.
这家杂货店甚至还提供一系列最新电影的激光光盘。
That first trip, I was eight.
第一次旅行是在我八岁的时候。
As I got older, I moved from the gazebo to the game room and then the gym, trying to meet other kids my age.
随着年龄的增长，我从凉亭搬到游戏室，然后是健身房，试图认识其他同龄的孩子。
My mom busied herself in the kitchen making lunches or sat by the lake and watched the ducks.
我妈妈在厨房里忙着做午餐，或者坐在湖边看鸭子。
My dad shepherded us through It's a Small World and Epcot Center.
我爸爸带领我们参观了小世界和艾波卡特中心。
Our summers went on like this, pretty much exactly like this, probably until I finished high school.
我们的夏天就这样过去了，几乎一模一样，可能直到我高中毕业。
I honestly loved it.
老实说我很喜欢它。
I looked forward to this trip every year.
每年我都期待着这次旅行。
And even though it was only a week, it was almost always the highlight of my entire summer.
尽管只有一周，但这几乎总是我整个夏天的亮点。
But when I think about it now, it occurs to me my dad pretty much orchestrated this thing that became so important to our lives.
但现在回想起来，我突然想到，这件事对我们的生活变得如此重要，几乎是我父亲精心策划的。
And I have no idea whether or not he ever enjoyed it himself.
我不知道他自己是否享受过这种感觉。
In fact, it didn't seem like he did.
事实上，他似乎并没有这么做。
I can't recall actually seeing him happy.
我不记得真正看到他高兴过。
Neither does my brother.
我的兄弟也没有。
He says dad was pretty much the same at the timeshare as he was at home.
他说爸爸在分时度假时的表现与在家时几乎没有什么不同。
Sometimes he'd go for walks alone, but often he just sat on the couch and watched TV.
有时他会独自去散步，但大多数时候他只是坐在沙发上看电视。
I asked my sister.
我问姐姐。
She said he must have been happy, but she doesn't remember witnessing it, either.
她说他一定很高兴，但她也不记得目睹过这一切。
It seems like such a simple question, but I just wanted to know.
这似乎是一个简单的问题，但我只是想知道。
Did he enjoy himself?
他玩得开心吗？
At the risk of embodying the most tired trope in all of modern masculinity, I will say my father and I never really got along.
冒着体现所有现代男性气概中最疲惫的比喻的风险，我会说我的父亲和我从来没有真正相处过。
He was strict.
他很严格。
His house had a lot of rules.
他家有很多规矩。
And he believed in corporal punishment.
他相信体罚。
And the sting of that conflict stayed with me as an adult.
作为一个成年人，这种冲突的刺痛一直伴随着我。
But since my mom passed away last year, I've been trying to connect with him more.
但自从去年我妈妈去世后，我一直在努力与他建立更多的联系。
I gave him a call.
我给他打了电话。
I say, is it a bad time?
我说，现在是不是很糟糕？
Dad No. No, I was just playing solitaire.
爸爸不，不，我只是在玩纸牌。
Yeah.
是的。
I didn't know whether it was the drugstore or not.
不知道是不是药店。
Are you waiting for a call from the drugstore?
您在等待药店的电话吗？
No. They'll call.
不，他们会打电话来。
They'll give me a call no matter when it is.
不管什么时候他们都会给我打电话。
My dad is 83 years old now and living alone in Florida.
我父亲现在 83 岁了，独自住在佛罗里达州。
Talking to him can be awkward and not just because his hearing is going.
和他说话可能会很尴尬，这不仅仅是因为他的听力正在下降。
I asked him point blank if he liked going to the villa.
我直截了当地问他是否愿意去别墅。
He told me that when he was growing up, he barely ever left South Carolina.
他告诉我，在他的成长过程中，他几乎从未离开过南卡罗来纳州。
I didn't know nothing about nothing else.
我对其他事情一无所知。
You know, like, you saw things in magazines and stuff.
你知道，就像你在杂志之类的东西上看到的东西。
The first time I knew about a dentist I was in the army.
我第一次知道牙医是在军队里。
But I just thought it was a good idea that our kids see something other than their surroundings and where they were born.
但我只是认为让我们的孩子看到他们的周围环境和出生地以外的东西是个好主意。
Yeah.
是的。
My dad grew up poor on a farm, one of 12 children.
我父亲在农场长大，家境贫寒，是 12 个孩子中的一个。
He says he only finished high school because by the time he was old enough, he was the one driving the bus.
他说他只完成了高中学业，因为当他足够大的时候，他就是开公交车的人。
Sometimes when there were athletic events at other schools, he'd get to drive the teams and learn what the nearby towns were like.
有时，当其他学校举办体育赛事时，他会带领球队并了解附近城镇的情况。
In 1953, he was drafted into the army, which had only recently been integrated.
1953年，他应征入伍，而军队最近才整编。
They sent him to Colorado and Indiana.
他们把他送到科罗拉多州和印第安纳州。
And it wasn't great.
这并不好。
He says the army was really not into black people back then.
他说当时军队真的不欢迎黑人。
So those were his travel experiences when he was young.
这就是他年轻时的旅行经历。
I was hearing a lot of this for the first time.
我第一次听到很多这样的事情。
As it turns out, that's at least partially my own fault.
事实证明，这至少有部分是我自己的错。
The reason why we never talk about it because it just wasn't the kind of thing that you guys seemed to be interested in.
我们之所以从不谈论它，是因为这不是你们似乎感兴趣的事情。
Really?
真的吗？
So we just didn't seem like we were interested as kids?
所以我们小时候似乎不感兴趣？
Yeah.
是的。
Right.
正确的。
Neil Drumming Yeah, I probably wasn't so interested back then, back when the two of us were constantly challenging each other.
Neil Drumming 是的，当时我可能没那么感兴趣，当时我们两个人不断互相挑战。
I was always either afraid of him or angry at him, hiding from him or planting my feet to confront him.
我总是要么害怕他，要么生他的气，要么躲着他，要么站起来对抗他。
It never crossed my mind to try to understand him.
我从来没有想过尝试去理解他。
But nowadays my dad feels to me like some kind of living cold case, a million-page brief that is no longer redacted.
但如今，我父亲对我来说就像是一个悬而未决的案件，一份不再经过编辑的百万页摘要。
Maybe it's because I'm now at the age he was when I was born, but I retroactively find his every decision fascinating, even the ones that aren't so surprising on the surface.
也许是因为我现在已经到了我出生时他的年纪，但回想起来，我发现他的每一个决定都很有趣，即使是那些表面上并不那么令人惊讶的决定。
Why Florida?
为什么是佛罗里达？
Dad It was advertised.
爸爸 这是广告。
And you get to hear something about Florida.
你会听到一些关于佛罗里达的事情。
And then this thing, Disney World.
然后是迪士尼世界。
After we started going, they build Epcot.
我们开始行动后，他们建造了未来世界。
They build Animal Kingdom.
他们建造了动物王国。
And they advertise them a lot.
他们经常为它们做广告。
Not many people were going.
去的人不多。
We were probably the most vacationing people in our area.
我们可能是我们地区度假最多的人。
I don't know of any other family that went on vacation every year.
我不知道还有哪个家庭每年都去度假。
We did.
我们做到了。
My dad was obviously proud that he got the timeshare.
我父亲显然为他得到了分时度假感到自豪。
But pride, strictly speaking, does not constitute joy.
但严格来说，骄傲并不构成快乐。
It didn't answer the question of whether or not he was actually happy spending those summer weeks with us at the villa.
它并没有回答他是否真的很高兴和我们在别墅度过那些暑假的问题。
Instead, he kept trying to make me understand why he brought us there in the first place.
相反，他一直试图让我理解他为什么带我们去那里。
And his explanation, his reasoning, reached back to memories and past experiences that not only had I never heard, but that kind of blew my mind.
他的解释，他的推理，追溯到我不仅从未听过的记忆和过去的经历，而且让我大吃一惊。
Now, I tell you, probably where I got the whole idea, when we went to school, every summer you had to try to think of something that you could write about when you go back to school because you're going to have to write something about what you did this summer.
现在，我告诉你，大概我的整个想法是从哪里来的，当我们上学时，每个夏天你都必须尝试想出一些当你回到学校时可以写的东西，因为你必须写一些关于你今年夏天所做的事情。
Well, we never had anything to write about when I was going to school.
嗯，当我上学的时候，我们从来没有什么可写的。
And you didn't think plowing a mule, or picking peaches or stuff, that you had to normally do, you didn't think that was so exciting to write about.
你不认为用骡子犁地、摘桃子或其他东西是你通常必须做的，你不认为写这些有那么令人兴奋。
And so we made up lies about what we did.
所以我们对我们所做的事情编造了谎言。
Well, every summer you guys went on vacation, you could write about something that you did or saw or some place you went.
嗯，每年夏天你们去度假，你们可以写一些你们做过的事、看到的事情或者去过的地方。
Yeah.
是的。
What did you do during the summers?
暑假期间你做了什么？
When?
什么时候？
This year?
今年？
Neil Drumming No, no, when you were in school.
尼尔·鼓明 不，不，当你在学校的时候。
Worked.
工作了。
That's what I tried to tell you.
这就是我试图告诉你的。
We talked for over an hour.
我们聊了一个多小时。
It was one of the longest conversations that I can remember us ever having.
这是我记忆中我们进行过的最长的谈话之一。
Every now and then, I try to steer him back to the question I wanted him to answer.
我时不时地试图引导他回到我想让他回答的问题上。
So I know I asked you this a bunch of times.
所以我知道我已经问过你很多次了。
I keep asking you the same question.
我一直在问你同样的问题。
You can tell me to stop asking you if you want, but did you have fun yourself?
你可以告诉我不要再问你是否愿意，但你自己玩得开心吗？
Yeah.
是的。
See, I don't regret anything because it looked to me like I was doing what I was supposed to do.
看，我不后悔任何事情，因为在我看来，我正在做我应该做的事情。
And to see your kids happy was to be happy, too.
看到你的孩子快乐就是快乐。
And you guys could always come in and do whatever it is and go back out to the pool or whatever.
你们总是可以进来做任何事，然后回到游泳池或其他什么地方。
I remember you guys playing out there and hanging around the bushes and stuff.
我记得你们在外面玩耍，在灌木丛里闲逛。
I thought it was great.
我觉得这太棒了。
That's the kind of enjoyment I hadn't considered.
这是我没有想到的享受。
I live more selfishly.
我活得比较自私。
Also, his answer was hard to take in, to reconcile with the distance I felt between us at the time, back when he would retire to the couch to watch TV while we went off to play on our own.
而且，他的回答很难接受，与我当时感受到的我们之间的距离相协调，当时他会退休到沙发上看电视，而我们则各自出去玩。
Maybe he was watching me play in the bushes and getting a kick out of it.
也许他正在看我在灌木丛中玩耍并从中获得乐趣。
But I didn't know that.
但我不知道这一点。
Still, I was happy at the villa.
尽管如此，我在别墅还是很开心。
And my dad says he was, too.
我爸爸说他也是。
I'm glad I know that.
我很高兴我知道这一点。
All right.
好的。
So I've been talking to you for an hour.
所以我已经和你聊了一个小时了。
I should probably let you go.
我也许应该让你走。
But, hey, is it OK if I call back this week and just talk?
但是，嘿，我这周再打电话聊聊可以吗？
I want to hear more stuff.
我想听更多的事情。
Since I didn't seem interested when I was a kid, I didn't realize that was why you didn't tell us stuff.
因为我小时候似乎不感兴趣，所以我没有意识到这就是为什么你不告诉我们一些事情。
So now I'll just ask.
所以现在我就问一下。
Is that OK if I could--
如果我可以的话可以吗——
The only thing I'd do is to get up and sometimes I'm outside just walking around.
我唯一要做的就是起床，有时我会在外面走走。
Sometimes I sit down and-- sometimes I go ride the bike.
有时我坐下来——有时我去骑自行车。
And I do this just to keep busy.
我这样做只是为了保持忙碌。
You can call me anytime--
你可以随时给我打电话——
All right.
好吧。
I'm going to go back to work.
我要回去工作了。
Bye.
再见。
Ira Glass Neil Drumming, one of the producers of our show.
艾拉·格拉斯·尼尔·鼓明，我们节目的制作人之一。
[MUSIC - "THE HAPPIEST PLACE ON EARTH" BY AJ RAFAEL"]
[音乐 - AJ 拉斐尔的“地球上最幸福的地方”]
Our program was produced today by Neil Drumming.
今天我们的节目是由尼尔·鼓明制作的。
Our production staff-- Zoe Chace, Dana Chivvis, Sean Cole, Karen Duffin, Emmanuel Dzotsi, Stephanie Foo, David Kestenbaum, Chana Joffe-Walt, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, Matt Tierney, and Nancy Updike.
我们的制作人员包括 Zoe Chace、Dana Chivvis、Sean Cole、Karen Duffin、Emmanuel Dzotsi、Stephanie Foo、David Kestenbaum、Chana Joffe-Walt、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp、Matt Tierney 和 Nancy Updike。
Our editor's Joel Lovell.
我们的编辑是乔尔·洛弗尔。
Editorial help from Julie Snyder and Elna Baker.
朱莉·斯奈德和埃尔娜·贝克的编辑帮助。
Other staff-- Elise Bergerson, Emily Condon, Kimberly Henderson, and Seth Lind.
其他工作人员——Elise Bergerson、Emily Condon、Kimberly Henderson 和 Seth Lind。
Research help from Christopher Swetala Music help from Damien Graef from Rob Geddis.
Christopher Swetala 的研究帮助 Rob Geddis 的 Damien Graef 的音乐帮助。
Special thanks today to Vicki and Dock Drumming, George Green and The Unchained Tour, and Brooklyn Loft Party.
今天特别感谢 Vicki 和 Dock Drumming、George Green 和 The Unchained Tour 以及布鲁克林阁楼派对。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
We've revamped our e-mail newsletter.
我们修改了电子邮件通讯。
And if you sign up for it this week, we will send you the photo of me doing a magic trick for Michael Jackson in 1972.
如果您本周报名参加，我们将向您发送 1972 年我为迈克尔·杰克逊表演魔术的照片。
We were both 13 years old.
当时我们都是13岁。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to a program's co-founder, Torey Malatia, or as we like to call him--
一如既往地感谢项目的联合创始人托里·马拉蒂亚（Torey Malatia），或者我们喜欢这样称呼他——
--the grape smuggler, the Miami meat tent, the dingaling sling, Saint-Tropez truffle duffle.
——葡萄走私者、迈阿密肉类帐篷、丁加林吊带、圣特罗佩松露行李袋。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life
我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。