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Prologue Ira Glass It's the little things that count sometimes, like, for instance, being able to charge your phone from an extension cord that's coming out of the base of a tree.
Prologue Ira Glass 有时，一些小事情很重要，例如，能够通过从树根伸出的延长线为手机充电。
I know that sounds weird, but that's what it was.
我知道这听起来很奇怪，但事实就是如此。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter These are the inventions of our people.
[阿拉伯语] 口译员 这些是我们人民的发明。
A teenager named Farhad showed it to me.
一个名叫法哈德的青少年给我看了它。
This was at a refugee camp in Greece.
这是在希腊的一个难民营。
New lights had just been installed nearby, and they hijacked power from that buried cable to the tree.
附近刚刚安装了新灯，他们劫持了埋在树上的电缆的电力。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Yeah, it comes over from [INAUDIBLE], and it's coming under the ground.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译是的，它来自[听不清]，并且来自地下。
And the cables actually right through here.
电缆实际上就穿过这里。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter There's this one guy who's just really good with technology and electricity.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 有一个人非常擅长技术和电力。
And somehow he just hooked it up.
不知怎的，他就把它连接起来了。
Before this, Farhad would wait sometimes for two or three hours to charge his phone at one of the chargers they have at the refugee camp.
在此之前，法哈德有时会等待两三个小时才能用难民营里的充电器给手机充电。
Now coming out of the ground right at the base of the tree was a cord with a socket on it, and then extension cords that allowed six phones to be charged-- incredible.
现在，从树根处的地下伸出了一根带有插座的电线，然后是可以为六部手机充电的延长线——令人难以置信。
Farhad breaks into English.
法哈德突然开始说英语。
I'm very happy today.
今天我很高兴。
Ira Glass If you heard our radio show last week, you know that we went to refugee camps all over Greece.
Ira Glass 如果您上周听过我们的广播节目，您就会知道我们去了希腊各地的难民营。
There are 57,000 refugees in Greece, most of them escaping violence in Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq hoping to get to Germany and other countries in Europe.
希腊有 57,000 名难民，其中大多数逃离叙利亚、阿富汗和伊拉克的暴力，希望前往德国和欧洲其他国家。
But unless the politics change dramatically, they'll probably be stuck in Greece for a long time-- six months easily, maybe a lot more.
但除非政治发生巨大变化，否则他们可能会在希腊滞留很长一段时间——轻松六个月，甚至更长。
The Greek government is building these camps to last for years, just in case.
希腊政府正在建造这些可以持续数年的营地，以防万一。
And the camps, people kind of know that.
至于难民营，人们都知道这一点。
But mostly I think they don't like to admit it to themselves.
但我认为他们大多不愿意承认这一点。
So you see this weird mix of unrealistic hopes, and then people just starting to settle in for the long haul, moving ahead with their lives, falling in love, having babies, running little businesses, inventing projects.
所以你会看到这种不切实际的希望的奇怪组合，然后人们开始长期定居，继续他们的生活，坠入爱河，生孩子，经营小企业，发明项目。
Today on our show we have stories of people trying to have semi-normal parts of their lives in a place that is not normal at all.
今天在我们的节目中，我们讲述了人们试图在一个完全不正常的地方过上半正常生活的故事。
From WBEZ Chicago, It's This American Life .
来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
It's our second show from Greece, from the refugee camps there.
这是我们在希腊、从那里的难民营举办的第二场演出。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act one, You Just Keep On Pushing My Love Over the Borderline.
第一幕，你只是不断地将我的爱推向界限。
It's hard for single guys at the camps.
对于营地里的单身汉来说，这很困难。
Camps are mostly families.
营地主要是家庭。
In some camps, like the one at the baseball stadium in Athens, they segregate the single men together because the families don't like them around.
在一些营地，比如雅典棒球场的营地，他们将单身男子隔离在一起，因为家人不喜欢他们。
They view them with suspicion.
他们用怀疑的眼光看待他们。
And of course Europe sees these guys the same way.
当然，欧洲也以同样的方式看待这些人。
People worry they're terrorists, troublemakers.
人们担心他们是恐怖分子、麻烦制造者。
Getting permission to get out of Greece and get into some other European country might be harder for them.
对他们来说，获得离开希腊并进入其他欧洲国家的许可可能会更困难。
And just at a practical level, lots of these guys are young, have never lived without their moms washing and cooking for them.
从实际层面来看，这些人中的很多人都很年轻，从来没有在没有妈妈为他们洗衣做饭的情况下生活过。
A guy named Abdul said this thing to me off mic that he was embarrassed to repeat on tape, but my interpreter, Baraa, translated.
一个名叫阿卜杜勒的人通过麦克风对我说了这句话，他不好意思在录音中重复，但我的翻译巴拉翻译了。
He said--
他说——
Basically now we're like girls.
基本上现在我们就像女孩一样。
Like we'll make our bed in the morning, and then, like, we clean dishes and we clean up the entire tent.
就像我们早上整理床铺一样，然后，我们洗碗，清理整个帐篷。
His tent was incredibly neat.
他的帐篷非常整洁。
You don't see single women traveling alone at these camps.
在这些营地里你看不到单身女性独自旅行。
They're almost always with their families, who are traditional and protective.
他们几乎总是和家人在一起，家人是传统的、保护性的。
But they're there, and there's flirting between men and women for sure, and sometimes more.
但他们就在那里，男女之间肯定存在调情，有时甚至更多。
One of our producers, Sean Cole, did meet a couple that got together as refugees at the camp in the north that was 2,000 people in tents at a highway rest stop, a gas station basically, called EKO.
我们的一位制片人肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole) 确实遇到了一对夫妇，他们以难民身份聚集在北部的难民营中，那里有 2,000 人，住在高速公路休息站的帐篷里，基本上是一个加油站，名为 EKO。
Here's Sean.
这是肖恩。
The main thing about the couple I met, Tarek and Hadil, is the PDA.
我遇到的塔里克（Tarek）和哈迪尔（Hadil）夫妇最重要的是PDA。
They're always moon-eyed and handholdee.
他们总是有月亮般的眼睛和手持装置。
And the story of how they met super delighted my translator, Manaf.
他们相遇的故事让我的翻译马纳夫非常高兴。
It's like a James Bond.
这就像詹姆斯·邦德。
[INAUDIBLE] James Bond.
[听不清] 詹姆斯·邦德。
They don't just remember the day they met, they remember the date, March 12.
他们不仅记得见面的那一天，还记得那个日期，3 月 12 日。
And it was right after they'd crossed over the water from Turkey and they were still living at the beach.
就在他们从土耳其渡过水域之后，他们仍然住在海滩上。
Tarek was in the water going for a swim, and Hadil was up on the shore.
塔里克正在水里游泳，哈迪尔则在岸上。
He's coming out to the sea, hair wet.
他正出海，头发湿漉漉的。
And she's charging her mobile phone.
她正在给手机充电。
It's like a soap commercial.
这就像肥皂广告。
Manaf [SPEAKING ARABIC]
马纳夫 [阿拉伯语]
And their eyes met.
他们的目光相遇了。
Each of them would have noticed right away how deeply good looking the other is.
他们每个人都会立刻注意到对方的长相有多好看。
Tarek is 25 and could play the lead in a Syrian production of Jesus Christ Superstar -- long hair, beard, hypnotic eyes.
塔里克今年 25 岁，可以在叙利亚制作的《万世巨星》中担任主角——长发、胡须、催眠般的眼睛。
Hadil is 19 and, no joke, looks like the lady who played Mary in the movie Jesus Christ Superstar -- except when I met her, she was wearing a headscarf.
哈迪尔今年 19 岁，毫不开玩笑，她看起来就像电影《耶稣基督万世巨星》中扮演玛丽的那位女士——只是当我见到她时，她戴着头巾。
It was love at first sight, for Tarek.
对于塔里克来说，这是一见钟情。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter So when I saw her, I said wow, you look beautiful.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 所以当我看到她时，我说哇，你看起来很漂亮。
Can I speak to you?
我可以和你说话吗？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter And she refused a couple of times, but I didn't give up.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 她拒绝了几次，但我没有放弃。
I kept continuing.
我继续继续。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter I tried for like 13, 14, or 15 times maybe--
[说阿拉伯语] 我尝试过大约 13、14 或 15 次口译员——
You're persistent.
你很执着。
Tarek [SPEAKING ARABIC]
塔里克 [阿拉伯语]
Yeah, her plan was to come from Mytiline to here.
是的，她的计划是从米蒂利恩来到这里。
My plan was to go from Mytiline to a camp called Kavala.
我的计划是从米蒂利恩前往一个叫卡瓦拉的营地。
But I changed my plans to be here with her.
但我改变了计划，要和她在一起。
Tarek kept pursuing Hadil even as the crowd of refugees they were in was on the move, from the island to Athens, and from Athens north by train closer to the border.
塔里克继续追捕哈迪尔，尽管他们所在的难民群正在从岛上前往雅典，然后从雅典乘火车向北移动，靠近边境。
He did that thing you do on the bus on a school field trip, making people switch seats so he could be next to her.
他做了学校实地考察时在公共汽车上所做的事情，让人们交换座位，这样他就可以坐在她旁边。
She still didn't want to talk to him.
她还是不想跟他说话。
The situation is not appropriate, because obviously I'm a refugee, he's a refugee.
这种情况不合适，因为显然我是难民，他也是难民。
As a refugee, I've never thought, never imagined that I would be ready to meet someone.
作为一名难民，我从未想过、从未想象过我会准备好见到某个人。
I had plans of going to Germany, settle down, and then think of these hard matters.
我本来计划去德国，安顿下来，然后再考虑这些困难的事情。
But seeing this young guy, it's like oh suddenly I fell in love with him and I want to be with him.
但看到这个年轻人，就好像我突然爱上了他，我想和他在一起。
And so I didn't care about the conditions.
所以我并不关心条件。
And so what was it that changed your mind?
那么是什么改变了你的想法呢？
If he was someone who gave up, I wouldn't have pursued it.
如果他是一个放弃的人，我就不会去追求。
But I liked his persistence.
但我喜欢他的坚持。
That's what worked.
这就是有效的。
Manaf stops translating and turns to me.
马纳夫停止翻译，转向我。
That's a good tape.
这是一个很好的磁带。
Sean Cole And so, before you know it, Tarek and Hadil are planning a future together.
肖恩·科尔 因此，在你意识到之前，塔里克和哈迪尔正在一起规划未来。
But as with tens of thousands of other refugees in Greece, those plans involve gaining passage across multiple national borders, none of which show any promise of opening.
但与希腊数以万计的其他难民一样，这些计划涉及跨越多个国家边界，但没有一个国家有任何开放的承诺。
Basically we are in a bit of a tough situation.
基本上我们的处境有点艰难。
Her parents are in Germany.
她的父母在德国。
And I need to see them.
我需要见他们。
If I didn't see them, they won't approve this marriage.
如果我没有见到他们，他们不会批准这门婚事。
Marriage, [ARABIC].
婚姻，[阿拉伯语]。
Interpreter They will not marry her to me.
翻译 他们不会把她嫁给我。
Tarek tried to get across the border himself once, with some smugglers-- no luck.
塔里克曾尝试与一些走私者一起越过边境，但没有成功。
It's not Hadil's parents are totally opposed to the relationship.
哈迪尔的父母并不是完全反对这种关系。
It's just customary that they have to meet him first.
按照惯例，他们必须先见他。
But they aren't the only members of Hadil's family with opinions on this.
但他们并不是哈迪尔家族中唯一对此有意见的成员。
In fact, she was traveling with family.
事实上，她是和家人一起旅行的。
She had them there with her at EKO Camp.
她把它们带到了 EKO 营地。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter My sister and my aunt.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 我姐姐和我阿姨。
Do they approve?
他们同意吗？
Interpreter [SPEAKING ARABIC]
口译员 [阿拉伯语]
They don't approve?
他们不同意？
Oh no. What do you say to them?
哦不。你对他们说什么？
Have you tried to convince them?
你尝试过说服他们吗？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Hadil [SPEAKING ARABIC]
[阿拉伯语] 哈迪尔 [阿拉伯语]
Interpreter I spoke so many times to them, tried to convince them.
翻译 我跟他们说了很多次，试图说服他们。
But they completely seemed to be against the idea.
但他们似乎完全反对这个想法。
The problems are many I think.
我认为问题很多。
One of them is the fact that I spend more time with him than I do with them.
其中之一是我和他在一起的时间比和他们在一起的时间还多。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter And B, how people would see us around the camp.
[说阿拉伯语] 口译员和 B，营地周围的人们会如何看待我们。
It's the way he touches me and holds me.
这就是他触摸我、拥抱我的方式。
He's very affectionate and very romantic, which I love very much.
他非常深情，非常浪漫，这是我非常喜欢的。
But to them, they're saying to me hold on a second.
但对他们来说，他们是在对我说等一下。
There's nothing formal between the two of you.
你们两个之间没有什么正式的事情。
So to people, it might seem a bit out of order.
所以对于人们来说，这可能看起来有点不正常。
So they're worried it's going to look scandalous?
所以他们担心这会显得可耻？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Yes, exactly.
[阿拉伯语] 口译员 是的，完全正确。
And finding privacy isn't exactly easy at a refugee camp, especially this camp, which is the size of a highway rest stop-- because again, it is a highway rest stop.
在难民营中寻找隐私并不容易，尤其是这个难民营，它的大小相当于高速公路休息站——因为它又是高速公路休息站。
Tarek says he went as far as to procure a secret tent for them, their own private tent that nobody knows about.
塔里克说，他甚至为他们购买了一个秘密帐篷，这是他们自己的私人帐篷，没有人知道。
I asked him, when shopping for a secret tent, what are the criteria you're looking for?
我问他，在购买秘密帐篷时，你寻找的标准是什么？
Has to look like all the other tents, he said, so it doesn't stand out.
他说，必须看起来像所有其他帐篷，这样才不会引人注目。
That's smart.
这很聪明。
I love her very much.
我非常爱她。
And those people won't stand in our way.
那些人不会妨碍我们。
Our love is stronger than this country that's blocking the border.
我们的爱比这个封锁边境的国家更强烈。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Hadil [SPEAKING ARABIC]
[阿拉伯语] 哈迪尔 [阿拉伯语]
He writes poetry.
他写诗。
Sean Cole You do?
肖恩·科尔 你知道吗？
I could tell.
我看得出来。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Yeah, he writes lots of poems and recites them to me.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 是的，他写了很多诗并背诵给我听。
We should really-- I asked Tarek if he would read us one of his love poems at some point.
我们真的应该——我问塔里克他是否愿意在某个时候给我们读一首他的情诗。
Not right now, this second.
不是现在，是这一秒。
I figured we'd just do it when we came back the next day.
我想我们第二天回来时就这样做。
But then when we did go back the next day, our fixer went to find them and came back alone, with some news.
但第二天我们确实回去时，我们的修理工去找了他们，然后独自回来了，带来了一些消息。
What, are you kidding?
什么，你在开玩笑吗？
Hold on one second.
等一下。
Wait-- wait-- wait-- wait.
等等——等等——等等——等等。
Our fixer, Ammar, said he had found Tarek all by himself in the tent, deeply upset.
我们的调解人阿马尔说，他发现塔里克独自一人在帐篷里，他非常沮丧。
He's very furious right now because they took his girlfriend or fiance so whatever, yeah.
他现在非常愤怒，因为他们带走了他的女朋友或未婚夫，所以无论如何，是的。
The sister and aunt did?
姐姐和阿姨干的吗？
Ammar Saker Yeah, the sister and the aunt took Hadeah-- Hadeah?
Ammar Saker 是的，姐姐和阿姨带着哈黛亚——哈黛亚？
Hadil, but yeah, she was gone.
哈迪尔，但是，是的，她走了。
Tarek wouldn't talk to me about it.
塔里克不会跟我谈论这件事。
He said no more recording.
他说不再录音了。
So Ammar sat with him in the tent for a long time, and finally convinced him to spill out the whole story.
于是阿马尔陪他在帐篷里坐了很长时间，终于说服他说出了整个故事。
Maybe he's drunk right now.
也许他现在喝醉了。
He looks like drunk.
他看起来像喝醉了。
So he told me that the aunt had bring like four men and attack him and beat him-- beat him.
所以他告诉我，阿姨带来了大约四个人，攻击他并殴打他——殴打他。
He looks like this.
他看起来像这样。
Bent over.
弯下腰。
Ammar Saker Yeah, just like-- yeah-- yeah.
Ammar Saker 是的，就像——是的——是的。
But there's no marks.
但没有任何痕迹。
There's no-- there is one mark here.
这里没有——只有一个标记。
On his elbow?
在他的肘部？
Ammar Saker Yeah, big one.
阿马尔·萨克尔 是的，很大的一个。
It's just-- yeah-- yeah.
这只是——是的——是的。
So the uncle-- Ammar Saker He don't want to talk about it.
所以叔叔——Ammar Saker 他不想谈论这件事。
OK.
好的。
Ammar Saker They went to go smuggling.
Ammar Saker 他们去走私了。
To go smuggling?
去走私？
Ammar Saker Yeah, of course.
阿马尔·萨克尔 是的，当然。
That is, her family took her with them to get smuggled across the Macedonian border so they could go north to the rest of Europe.
也就是说，她的家人带着她偷渡穿过马其顿边境，这样他们就可以向北前往欧洲其他地区。
He's completely broken.
他彻底崩溃了。
He's completely--
他完全是——
I learned the rest of the story later.
我后来才知道故事的其余部分。
It wasn't just that Tarek and Hadil were all huggy and kissy around the camp.
不仅仅是塔里克和哈迪尔在营地里拥抱亲吻。
Hadil and her family are Christian.
哈迪尔和她的家人都是基督徒。
Tarek's Muslim.
塔里克是穆斯林。
Hadil had only started wearing a headscarf when Tarek asked her too, as a first step toward converting for him.
当塔里克也问哈迪尔时，她才开始戴头巾，这是皈依他的第一步。
And the family was not cool with this.
而家人对此并不满意。
Plus, this plan to get smuggled into Macedonia had already been underway for a while.
另外，这个偷渡到马其顿的计划已经进行了一段时间。
And Hadil was suddenly saying, no, I'm staying behind with Tarek.
哈迪尔突然说，不，我要留在塔里克身边。
And so they pried her out of there, beat Tarek up, bundled everybody into a bunch of cabs, and headed off to meet with a smuggler.
于是他们把她从那里撬了出来，殴打了塔里克，把所有人都塞进了一堆出租车，然后出发去见一个走私犯。
Tarek, alarmingly, told the police.
塔里克惊恐地告诉了警方。
He reported them, to keep them from leaving, which he is totally unrepentant about, except he feels bad that the smuggler got arrested.
他举报了他们，以阻止他们离开，他对此完全不悔，只是他对走私者被捕感到难过。
The plan was foiled, so the family turned around and headed south to a different camp.
计划失败了，一家人掉头向南前往另一个营地。
And they were gone.
然后他们就走了。
And this is where I figured the story would end.
我想故事到这里就结束了。
Tarek didn't want to talk to me anymore.
塔里克不想再和我说话了。
And then a couple of days later I was at a different camp interviewing some folks with Manaf, the translator, when Ammar, our fixer who had talked with Tarek, interrupted us.
几天后，我在另一个营地与翻译马纳夫一起采访一些人，这时与塔里克交谈过的我们的调解人阿马尔打断了我们。
Do you feel like the foreign media is trying to cover up the talents of refugees or-- say what?
你是否觉得外国媒体试图掩盖难民的才华，或者——怎么说？
Just a second.
稍等一下。
Sean Cole Oh, yeah-- yeah-- yeah.
肖恩·科尔哦，是的——是的——是的。
I need to talk to you, and Manaf too, just for a second.
我需要和你还有马纳夫谈谈，就一会儿。
We walk a few feet away.
我们走了几英尺远。
It's about Tarek, Ammar says.
阿马尔说，这是关于塔里克的。
My first thought is, oh no, he's tried to kill himself, which I know sounds dramatic.
我的第一个想法是，哦不，他试图自杀，我知道这听起来很戏剧性。
And that's not what happened.
但事实并非如此。
Ammar says Tarek has heard from Hadil.
阿马尔说塔里克收到了哈迪尔的来信。
She and her family are planning to head back to Turkey the next day, and that he needs to get to her, to get her out of there.
她和她的家人计划第二天返回土耳其，他需要找到她，带她离开那里。
He needs a car he says.
他说他需要一辆车。
Ammar tells him, "I don't have a car.
阿马尔告诉他：“我没有车。
I'm a refugee like you."
我和你一样都是难民。”
"Yes," says Tarek, "but you hang out with those journalists.
“是的，”塔里克说，“但你和那些记者一起出去玩。
Maybe they can help?"
也许他们能帮忙？”
We had heard that driving refugees around could get you in trouble with the police.
我们听说，开车送难民四处走动可能会给警察带来麻烦。
There was no way we were going to do that.
我们不可能那样做。
But then I did do something that I'm not proud of, something that, if I had thought about it a little more, I would not have done.
但后来我确实做了一些我并不引以为豪的事情，如果我多考虑一下，我就不会做一些事情。
In the next moment I heard myself say, maybe I can get him some money for a taxi.
下一刻我听到自己说，也许我可以给他一些出租车费。
Reporters aren't supposed to get involved like this in their stories.
记者不应该这样参与他们的报道。
We're supposed to observe, not intervene.
我们应该观察，而不是干预。
Looking back, it was a mistake.
回想起来，这是一个错误。
But in that moment, every reason I could think of not to help them seemed small, and almost cruel.
但在那一刻，我能想到的每一个不帮助他们的理由都显得微不足道，而且近乎残酷。
I handed Ammar 100 euros.
我递给阿马尔 100 欧元。
We all agreed he should tell Tarek it was from him and Manaf.
我们都同意他应该告诉塔里克这是他和马纳夫写的。
I never saw Tarek.
我从没见过塔里克。
Apparently he was so happy he did a little dance.
显然他很高兴，跳了一小段舞。
He picked up Hadil at a cafeteria near where her family was staying and brought her with him back up north to a camp near the Macedonian border.
他在哈迪尔家人住的地方附近的一家自助餐厅接了她，然后把她带回了北部马其顿边境附近的一个营地。
After that, I wasn't worried about ethics.
从那以后，我就不再担心道德问题了。
I was worried about Tarek and Hadil.
我很担心塔里克和哈迪尔。
What if Hadil's family found them and beat Tarek up again?
如果哈迪尔的家人发现他们并再次殴打塔里克怎么办？
At the very least, they'd have to be worried sick not knowing where Hadil is.
至少，他们必须担心不知道哈迪尔在哪里。
Also, I don't even know these people.
而且，我根本不认识这些人。
I don't know if this is what's best for them, for her.
我不知道这对他们、对她来说是否是最好的。
But I've talked with Tarek and Hadil on the phone since then, and they both said things are as good as they could possibly be right now.
但从那时起我就和塔里克和哈迪尔通了电话，他们都说现在的情况已经很好了。
For one thing, they're married.
一方面，他们结婚了。
They had a Muslim wedding and a Christian wedding.
他们举行了一场穆斯林婚礼和一场基督教婚礼。
And Tarek says he even got some money together to pay a lawyer to help them get the marriage sanctioned in Greece.
塔里克说，他甚至凑了一些钱请律师帮助他们在希腊批准婚姻。
Hadil's aunt and uncle and sister never did go to Turkey.
哈迪尔的姑妈、叔叔和妹妹从未去过土耳其。
According to Tarek, they actually managed to get farther north in Europe, illegally.
根据塔里克的说法，他们实际上非法地在欧洲更远的地方到达了北部。
It's not that they're OK with the relationship, but now that it's official, they feel like they have to go along with it.
并不是说他们对这种关系感到满意，而是现在这种关系已经正式确定，他们觉得自己必须同意。
Hadil's parents, though, are totally on board with it now.
不过，哈迪尔的父母现在完全同意了。
Mostly when we hear about luck in the refugee camps, it's bad luck.
当我们听到难民营里的运气时，大多数情况下都是运气不好。
But of course with so many people, something has to go right for somebody.
但当然，人太多了，总得有一些事情适合某些人。
It's just the law of averages.
这只是平均法则。
And Tarek and Hadil beat the odds in a ridiculous way.
塔里克和哈迪尔以一种可笑的方式克服了困难。
Even just meeting each other was a slim possibility, let alone his convincing her to give him a chance and convincing a bunch of near strangers to kick him 100 euros so he could get her back.
即使只是见面的可能性也很小，更不用说他说服她给他一个机会，并说服一群陌生人踢他100欧元，这样他就能把她找回来。
A few weeks after all this, my fixer Ammar was texting with Tarek.
这一切发生几周后，我的调解人阿马尔正在给塔里克发短信。
And Tarek said, "The most ridiculous thing of all is that all these feelings of love that you have in your heart, the big sacrifices you have made and the unexpected problems, all come down to a taxi fare.
塔里克说：“最可笑的是，你心中所有的爱意、你做出的巨大牺牲和意想不到的问题，全都归结为出租车费。
It's a bastard of a feeling when you're racing against time and it's not on your side."
当你与时间赛跑而它却不站在你一边时，这种感觉是一种混蛋。”
Sean Cole.
肖恩·科尔.
Act two, Thank You for Smoking.
第二幕，谢谢你抽烟。
People don't have a lot of money in the refugee camps.
难民营里的人们没有很多钱。
To explain people's financial situation, Joanna Kakissis, NPR's reporter in Greece who's producing these two episodes on the refugee camps with us, she explained to me that these refugees from Syria and the Mideast that we've all seen arriving on boats in Greece, she explained that they came in several distinct waves.
为了解释人们的经济状况，美国国家公共广播电台驻希腊记者乔安娜·卡基西斯（Joanna Kakissis）与我们一起制作了这两集有关难民营的节目，她向我解释说，我们都看到这些来自叙利亚和中东的难民乘船抵达希腊，她解释说，他们分几批涌入。
The first wave--
第一波——
So in early 2014 when I first started following the story, everyone I met was fairly well off.
所以在 2014 年初，当我第一次开始关注这个故事时，我遇到的每个人都相当富裕。
I mean--
我的意思是——
Right.
对。
And they had paid something like between 3,000 and 5,000 euros to buy fake passports or fake IDs and fly to Germany or Sweden or wherever they were headed.
他们支付了大约 3,000 到 5,000 欧元购买假护照或假身份证，然后飞往德国或瑞典或他们要去的任何地方。
And so we're talking about people who are cardiologists, people who are geophysicists, people who are big corporate managers.
所以我们谈论的是心脏病专家、地球物理学家、大公司经理。
Then the second wave arrived.
然后第二波到来了。
This is last year, 2015.
这是去年，2015年。
And it arrived because another route from Greece into the rest of Europe opened up, what they called the Balkan route.
它的到来是因为从希腊到欧洲其他地区的另一条航线开通，他们称之为巴尔干航线。
You didn't have to pay for a smuggler.
你不必付钱给走私者。
You could just walk north out of Greece using maps that people were sharing on WhatsApp.
你可以使用人们在 WhatsApp 上分享的地图走出希腊向北走。
Or much easier, you could take a bus.
或者更方便的是，您可以乘坐公共汽车。
So this route was actually much, much cheaper.
所以这条路线实际上便宜得多。
You know, it was just a matter of buying bus tickets from one place to the other.
你知道，这只是购买从一个地方到另一个地方的巴士票的问题。
And that's why you saw so many people coming, because suddenly it was less expensive.
这就是为什么你会看到这么多人来，因为突然间价格便宜了。
And so what kind of people were you seeing then?
那么你当时看到了什么样的人呢？
Then that's when you started seeing schoolteachers, shop owners, barbers.
然后你就开始见到学校老师、商店老板、理发师。
I mean, like the best way to put it is that people with just not that much money.
我的意思是，最好的说法是那些没有那么多钱的人。
And so these were the people, when the border to the rest of Europe closed this March, these were the people who got stuck in these refugee camps.
因此，当今年三月与欧洲其他地区的边境关闭时，这些人就被困在难民营中。
Most of them are middle class and working class families who carry the equivalent of $1,000 or $2,000, and definitely did not have enough to spring for $3,000 to $5,000 per person for a smuggler and a fake passport.
他们中的大多数是中产阶级和工人阶级家庭，他们携带相当于1,000或2,000美元的物品，绝对不足以为走私者和假护照提供每人3,000至5,000美元的资金。
So, they arrived without much money, and now it's been nearly five months.
所以，他们来的时候并没有多少钱，现在已经快五个月了。
So to survive, lots of people get money from family overseas, wired to them, Western Union, to spend on essentials.
因此，为了生存，很多人从海外家人那里得到钱，通过西联汇款方式汇给他们，用于购买必需品。
And you can see what that means at our next stop.
您可以在我们的下一站看到这意味着什么。
This is a camp that's been built on the grounds of an abandoned psychiatric hospital.
这是一个建在废弃精神病院基础上的营地。
It's kind of a spectacular setting at the base of Mount Olympus.
这是奥林匹斯山脚下的壮观景色。
So you have this snow capped mountain looming, surrounded by thick forest.
这座雪山若隐若现，周围是茂密的森林。
Yellow paint is peeling off the old hospital buildings on the grounds-- 1,300 people living in white military tents, the Yazidi, which is a religious minority from Iraq.
院内旧医院建筑的黄色油漆正在剥落——白色军用帐篷里住着 1,300 名雅兹迪人，他们是伊拉克的宗教少数群体。
And unlike the other camps that we visited, the people here are looking for a country that's going to take all 1,300 of them.
与我们访问过的其他营地不同，这里的人们正在寻找一个能够接纳全部 1,300 人的国家。
They don't want to be split up.
他们不想被分开。
Before the borders closed, they'd been trying to join other Yazidis who'd already made it to Germany.
在边境关闭之前，他们一直试图加入其他已经抵达德国的雅兹迪人。
One of our producers, Miki Meek, visited.
我们的制作人之一 Miki Meek 来访。
This camp is in the middle of nowhere.
这个营地位于一个偏僻的地方。
The closest town is about 16 miles away.
最近的城镇距此约 16 英里。
Very soon after the Yazidis arrived, people began setting up their own town in the camp, slipping right back into their old jobs.
雅兹迪人抵达后不久，人们开始在营地中建立自己的城镇，然后又回到原来的工作岗位。
A group of men who used to be barbers back in Iraq lined up chairs by an electrical outlet outside.
一群曾经在伊拉克当理发师的男人在外面的电源插座旁排好了椅子。
Haircuts go for 2 euros.
理发费用为2欧元。
Eyebrow and beard threadings go for 1.
眉毛和胡须线为 1。
Three women on the other side of the camp made an oven out of a metal barrel they covered with mud.
营地另一边的三名妇女用涂满泥土的金属桶做了一个烤箱。
They're bakers.
他们是面包师。
You can buy five pieces of naan for 1 euro.
1欧元可以买5块馕。
But the most popular spot is in a makeshift shop along a dirt path at the front of the camp.
但最受欢迎的地点是营地前面一条土路上的临时商店。
A guy named Ahmad built it.
一个名叫艾哈迈德的人建造了它。
He threw it together with UNHCR tarps and old doors and shutters he found in the abandoned psychiatric hospital.
他把它与难民署防水布以及他在废弃精神病院找到的旧门和百叶窗放在一起。
He made an awning out of a thick green sleeping bag from the military.
他用军用的绿色厚睡袋做了一个遮阳篷。
Ahmad pointed out the most popular item in his shop.
艾哈迈德指出了他店里最受欢迎的商品。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter The most selling item obviously is cigarettes.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 最畅销的商品显然是香烟。
People buy cheap brands like President, Bond, Royale, and Gold.
人们购买诸如 President、Bond、Royale 和 Gold 等廉价品牌。
They go each for 2 and 1/2 euros.
每份售价 2 又 1/2 欧元。
A pack?
一包？
Interpreter A pack, yes.
口译员一包，是的。
So I know it's wrong.
所以我知道这是错误的。
It's not healthy.
这不健康。
But it's a very good way to calm you down.
但这是让你平静下来的好方法。
We here, we live in continuous stress, unknown future.
我们在这里，生活在持续的压力和未知的未来之中。
People need a cigarette.
人们需要一支香烟。
People need to smoke right now.
人们现在需要吸烟。
Exactly.
确切地。
So people need to smoke, to get on with things.
所以人们需要吸烟，才能继续做事。
So you are smoking super lights, President.
所以，总统先生，您正在抽超级灯。
This is your brand?
这是你的品牌吗？
I'll sell you two, two packs for 4.50 euros.
我会以 4.50 欧元的价格卖给你两包，两包。
So you're selling, selling even in an interview.
所以你在推销，甚至在采访中也在推销。
Smoking is such a part of life for men at the camp that wherever we looked, someone was smoking or offering us cigarettes.
吸烟对于营地里的男人来说已经是生活的一部分了，无论我们放眼望去，都有人在抽烟，或者递给我们香烟。
Sometimes I'd look over at my interpreter Manaf during an interview, and he'd be holding a lit cigarette in each hand.
有时我会在采访中看着我的翻译马纳夫，他每只手上都拿着一支点燃的香烟。
It was too rude to say no.
拒绝太粗鲁了。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Lighter.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译打火机。
Lighter.
打火机。
Give me lighter.
给我打火机。
Miki Meek Give you lighter.
Miki Meek 给你打火机。
At first I thought Ahmad must be the one guy who figured out how to hustle and make money in this situation.
起初我以为艾哈迈德一定是知道如何在这种情况下赚钱的人。
Give me euro.
给我欧元。
Miki Meek He was always pacing in front of his shop, always selling, charismatic.
Miki Meek 他总是在他的店前踱步，总是在推销，很有魅力。
Then I learned he's hardly making any profit.
后来我才知道他几乎没有盈利。
I'm pretty sure he's running the world's only cigarette charity.
我很确定他正在经营世界上唯一的香烟慈善机构。
Ahmad pays to take a bus down to town a couple times a week where he loads up on cigarettes.
艾哈迈德每周花几次钱坐公共汽车进城，在那里他会装满香烟。
Total cost per pack, including his bus fare, 2.35 euros a pack.
每包的总成本（包括公交车费）为每包 2.35 欧元。
And then at the camp, he turns them around and sells them for only 2.50 euros.
然后在营地，他将它们翻转并仅以 2.50 欧元的价格出售。
That's just a 15 cent profit, barely covers his costs.
这只是 15 美分的利润，勉强覆盖他的成本。
He gives good deals for fruits and vegetables too.
他还提供优惠的水果和蔬菜。
They get three meals a day from the Greek government, but they're like TV dinners, nothing fresh.
他们从希腊政府那里得到一日三餐，但就像电视上的晚餐一样，毫无新鲜感。
So people stop by right after meals are distributed--
所以人们在分发完饭菜后就过来——
Tomato-- tomato.
番茄——番茄。
Miki Meek --to make up things like eggplants, cucumbers, bananas.
Miki Meek——制作茄子、黄瓜、香蕉等东西。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter This bag of sugar as well, 89 cents.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 这袋糖也是，89 美分。
Ahmed said he sells sugar for what it costs, because it's too much of a necessity.
艾哈迈德说，他按成本价出售糖，因为糖太必需了。
Everyone needs it for their tea.
每个人都需要它来泡茶。
But there's a thing I started noticing.
但我开始注意到一件事。
A lot of people would walk up to Ahmed during the day, silently hand him money, and then walk away from his shop without taking anything.
白天，很多人会走到艾哈迈德面前，默默地递给他钱，然后什么也不拿就离开他的商店。
There's a man right here and he just walked up and is paying Ahmad 2 and 1/2 euros.
这里有一个人，他刚刚走上前，付给艾哈迈德 2又1/2 欧元。
Obviously I trusted him with the money.
显然我在钱方面信任他。
I wasn't there, in the shop.
我不在场，在店里。
This month comes in, picks up what he wants.
这个月到来，得到他想要的东西。
Then he goes--
然后他走了——
So he's paying-- Interpreter [INAUDIBLE].
所以他要付钱——口译员[听不清]。
This is when I realized, this is not a normal store.
这时我才意识到，这不是一家普通的商店。
Ahmad can leave it open and unattended, and people can take what they want on credit.
艾哈迈德可以让它保持开放且无人看管，人们可以赊取他们想要的东西。
They don't even leave him a note.
他们甚至没有给他留下一张纸条。
They just tell him later.
他们只是稍后告诉他。
Everyone is low on cash, even the most powerful person in the camp, the religious leader, Sheikh Nuri.
每个人都缺钱，即使是营地中最有权势的人、宗教领袖谢赫·努里 (Sheikh Nuri)。
Even he has to get stuff for free from Ahmad.
甚至他也必须从艾哈迈德那里免费得到东西。
I watched him stop by the shop after lunch.
午饭后我看着他在商店停下来。
I took some spices, onions, and tomato for free.
我免费拿了一些香料、洋葱和西红柿。
So basically the way it goes, if I need something, I would come to the shop and take it.
所以基本上就是这样，如果我需要什么东西，我会去商店拿。
We're all like this.
我们都是这样的。
We're barely surviving.
我们勉强生存。
Most of us will have to borrow from Ahmad.
我们大多数人都必须向艾哈迈德借钱。
Ahmad is ready-- Ahmad is ready to help us.
艾哈迈德已准备好——艾哈迈德已准备好帮助我们。
Without him, I think we don't know what we would do basically.
如果没有他，我想我们根本不知道我们会做什么。
This camp is different from the others we visited.
这个营地与我们参观的其他营地不同。
The Islamic State targeted these Yazidis for extinction, invaded their home in the mountains of northern Iraq, and began a mass extermination campaign, killed the men, kidnapped the women and girls, and made them sex slaves, sent the kids to ISIS training camps.
伊斯兰国以这些雅兹迪人为灭绝目标，入侵他们在伊拉克北部山区的家园，开始大规模灭绝运动，杀害男人，绑架妇女和女孩，使她们成为性奴隶，将孩子送到伊斯兰国训练营。
Maybe you remember, these are the people President Obama helped save with airstrikes in 2014.
也许您还记得，这些是奥巴马总统在 2014 年空袭中帮助拯救的人。
They're survivors fleeing genocide.
他们是逃离种族灭绝的幸存者。
They're used to looking out for each other.
他们习惯了互相照顾。
Ahmad said it's ingrained in them.
艾哈迈德说这是他们根深蒂固的。
So when people come to his shop and they can't pay, he's fine with that.
因此，当人们来到他的商店但无法付款时，他对此表示同意。
He tells them to pay what they can when they can if they can.
他告诉他们，如果可以的话，尽可能支付尽可能多的费用。
He carries a little black notebook in his fanny pack, listing each family and what they owe him.
他的腰包里装着一本黑色小笔记本，上面列出了每个家庭以及他们欠他的钱。
What does it say?
它说什么？
Ahmad [SPEAKING ARABIC]
艾哈迈德 [阿拉伯语]
Name, Hadeato.
名字，哈迪阿托。
2 euros previously owed, plus 4 euros today for vegetables.
之前欠了2欧元，今天又欠了4欧元蔬菜费。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Marwan, another name, 13 euros owed in the past.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 Marwan，另一个名字，过去欠下 13 欧元。
3 euros tomato, 2 euros onion.
番茄3欧元，洋葱2欧元。
So aren't you're just losing a lot of money?
那么你不是损失了很多钱吗？
I started the shop with 500 euros as a capital.
我以500欧元作为资本开了这家店。
Now I have lent the equivalent of 200 euros.
现在我借了相当于200欧元的钱。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter If we continue like this, obviously I can't run my shop much longer.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 如果我们继续这样下去，显然我不能再经营我的店了。
Back in Iraq, Ahmad also had a shop selling groceries and other stuff.
回到伊拉克，艾哈迈德还有一家商店出售杂货和其他东西。
And he says he made about $250 a day in profit.
他说他每天的利润约为 250 美元。
Now he's making $11 a day.
现在他每天赚 11 美元。
He spends $8 on food for his family and $3 on cigarettes.
他为家人购买食物花费了 8 美元，在香烟上花费了 3 美元。
He's here with his wife and seven kids.
他和他的妻子以及七个孩子在这里。
His store back home had backgammon, chess, and cards that men would come play at night for money.
他家乡的商店里有西洋双陆棋、国际象棋和纸牌，男人们晚上会来玩这些来赚钱。
Ahmad still runs a tiny gambling den.
艾哈迈德仍然经营着一个小赌场。
It's in the back of his shop, lit by a couple of rechargeable UNHCR lamps that hang from the ceiling at night.
它位于他商店的后面，晚上由天花板上悬挂的几盏可充电的联合国难民署灯照亮。
I sat next to a young guy, 25 years old, named Haider.
我旁边坐着一个 25 岁的年轻人，名叫 Haider。
He says he kills about four hours every day in the back of Ahmad's shop.
他说他每天在艾哈迈德商店后面消磨大约四个小时。
He starts laying down cards.
他开始放下牌。
Miki Meek Did you just win?
Miki Meek 你刚刚赢了吗？
I just scored the lowest.
我刚刚得分最低。
Basically he's won the game.
基本上他已经赢了比赛。
The 50 cents everyone put into play all goes toward a bag of mixed vegetables for the winner.
每个人投入的 50 美分都将用于为获胜者提供一袋混合蔬菜。
Or like in Haider's case, he just uses the winnings to retire some of his debt with Ahmad.
或者像海德尔的例子一样，他只是用奖金来偿还艾哈迈德的部分债务。
How much money did you have when you came to Greece?
你来希腊时有多少钱？
So I had 500 euros.
所以我有500欧元。
Miki Meek What about now?
米基·米克 现在怎么样？
You're standing up and pulling money out of your pocket.
你站起来，从口袋里掏钱。
So how much?
那么多少钱？
How much do you have there?
你那里有多少钱？
3 euros.
3欧元。
You have 3 euros.
你有3欧元。
Yes-- yes.
是的——是的。
Interpreter I basically have 3 euros to last me three days.
翻译 我基本上只有3欧元可以维持三天。
So Ahmad here is here to help me if I needed anything.
因此，如果我需要任何帮助，艾哈迈德会在这里帮助我。
This was an unusually unprofitable day for Ahmad.
对于艾哈迈德来说，这是异常无利可图的一天。
He was out 240 euros.
他输掉了 240 欧元。
He borrowed 100 euros to buy produce and given out another 140 euros on credit to different families.
他借了 100 欧元购买农产品，并向不同的家庭发放了另外 140 欧元的信贷。
Also, he didn't sell much.
而且，他的销量也不高。
Couldn't you, for a while if you had to, stop taking stuff on credit just till you got a little bit more stable?
如果必须的话，你难道不能暂时停止赊账，直到你变得更加稳定吗？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter I think my philosophy in the shop is to be able to help others.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 我认为我在店里的理念是能够帮助别人。
And stopping giving things on credit is simply out of the question.
停止赊账是根本不可能的。
Because as long as I know that I can support the minimum.
因为只要我知道我能支持的就是最低限度。
So if need of my family, then the rest would obviously have to be giving as a form of assistance to others, even if they couldn't pay.
因此，如果我的家人需要，那么其他人显然必须以一种形式向他人提供援助，即使他们付不起钱。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Then I would shut down the shop and just become a customer myself.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译然后我会关闭商店并自己成为顾客。
He told me he'd rather go out of business than stop giving credit to people at the camp.
他告诉我，他宁愿倒闭，也不愿停止为营地里的人们提供荣誉。
Miki Meek.
米基·米克.
Coming up, John Oliver, Larry Wilmore, Trevor Noah, you're now on notice.
约翰·奥利弗、拉里·威尔莫尔、特雷弗·诺亚，请注意。
Refugees are entering the fake news business.
难民正在进入假新闻行业。
Tremble at the competition in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续时，在芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后的比赛中颤抖吧。
Act Three: Last Resort Ira Glass This American Life , I'm Ira Glass.
第三幕：美国生活的最后手段艾拉·格拉斯，我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's it's our second show from the refugee camps in Greece.
今天是我们在希腊难民营的第二场演出。
This week, you don't have to live like a refugee.
这周，你不必像难民一样生活。
We have stories of people trying to get on with their lives even though they are stuck in a refugee camp.
我们有这样的故事：人们尽管被困在难民营里，仍试图继续自己的生活。
And before we go any further with our show, I just want to say an incredible team has built an interactive tour of the camps that we visited with little movies and photos and three dimensional architectural renderings.
在我们继续我们的节目之前，我只想说，一个令人难以置信的团队已经为我们参观的营地建立了一个互动之旅，其中包括小电影、照片和三维建筑效果图。
And it pains me, as a radio producer, to say the following words, to admit that seeing something might actually give you a fuller view of it, but it's true.
作为一名广播制作人，我很痛苦地说出以下的话，承认看到某些东西实际上可能会让你更全面地了解它，但这是事实。
They did a great job capturing all kinds of things about daily life that you can't actually see over the radio.
他们出色地捕捉到了日常生活中无法通过广播看到的各种事物。
It's at our website thisamericanlife.org.
它位于我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
And this brings us to Act Three of our program, Act Three, Last Resort.
这就引出了我们计划的第三幕，第三幕，最后的手段。
So as we talked about a little bit in last week's program, the Greek government's response to the refugee crisis has had a lot of heart.
正如我们在上周的节目中谈到的，希腊政府对难民危机的反应是用心的。
The refugees are treated with respect.
难民受到尊重。
They're treated with warmth in many places that we visited.
在我们访问的许多地方，他们都受到了热情的对待。
But it hasn't gone so smoothly.
但事情并没有那么顺利。
Two government agencies have had trouble sorting out who would do what.
两个政府机构很难确定谁该做什么。
It's still disorganized.
仍然是杂乱无章的。
Housing conditions for the refugees nearly everywhere are substandard.
几乎所有地方的难民住房条件都不达标。
One official from an international organization that is working with the Greek government told me at one point, "It's 57,000 refugees." And they said, "Compare that to the refugee situations that they deal with elsewhere." Jordan has 700,000 refugees.
一位与希腊政府合作的国际组织的官员曾告诉我，“有 57,000 名难民。”他们说，“将其与他们在其他地方处理的难民情况进行比较。”约旦有70万难民。
Lebanon has over a million.
黎巴嫩有超过一百万。
Turkey has over 2 million.
土耳其有超过200万。
"57,000 refugees, this person said, "that's a soccer game in Europe.
“57,000 名难民，”这位人士说，“这就是欧洲的一场足球比赛。
It shouldn't be this hard."
这不应该这么难。”
So there is a camp trying to set the gold standard for what refugee camps can be in Greece.
因此，有一个难民营试图为希腊的难民营设定黄金标准。
It's near a village called Myrsini on the coast of the Ionian Sea, a four hour drive west of Athens.
它靠近爱奥尼亚海沿岸一个名为米尔西尼的村庄，距雅典以西四小时车程。
LM Village it's called.
它叫LM村。
It's a former resort, an actual beach vacation resort that went bankrupt seven years ago-- 38 bungalows, painted bright orange and yellow, each with its own bathroom and electricity and kitchenette, a little plot of grass all facing the sea with a secluded beach just for them.
这里以前是一个度假村，是一个真正的海滩度假胜地，七年前就破产了——有 38 间平房，漆成明亮的橙色和黄色，每间都有自己的浴室、电力和小厨房，一小片面向大海的草地，还有一个专门为他们准备的僻静海滩。
One of our producers said when she saw it the first time, "With a little TLC and some water in the pool, we'd all want to stay there."
我们的一位制片人在第一次看到它时说道，“只要有一点点关怀和泳池里的一些水，我们都想留在那里。”
So this March right after the borders closed, this beach resort refugee camp opened basically because one person, the mayor of that area, willed it into existence.
因此，今年三月边境关闭后，这个海滩度假村难民营的开放基本上是因为一个人，即该地区的市长，意愿它的存在。
Joanna went there.
乔安娜去了那里。
This mayor is different from other Greek mayors in one important way.
这位市长在一个重要方面与其他希腊市长不同。
This mayor's from Syria.
这位市长来自叙利亚。
His name's Nabil Morad.
他的名字叫纳比尔·莫拉德。
He actually made history a couple of years ago when he became the first immigrant elected mayor in Greece.
几年前，他成为希腊第一位移民当选的市长，实际上创造了历史。
And back then Nabil was focused on the typical things that mayors think about-- you know, fixing roads and street lights, marketing the region's strawberries, improving tourism.
当时纳比尔专注于市长们考虑的典型事情——你知道，修复道路和路灯、营销该地区的草莓、改善旅游业。
But as the refugee crisis unfolded in Europe and he saw so many Syrians displaced and homeless, it really got to him.
但随着难民危机在欧洲蔓延，他看到如此多的叙利亚人流离失所、无家可归，这对他来说真的很触动。
He took one look at the empty beach resort in his municipality, LM Village, and he thought, why not?
他看了一眼他所在的城市 LM 村里空荡荡的海滩度假村，他想，为什么不呢？
Why not bring them here to this beach resort?
为什么不带他们来这个海滩度假村呢？
You need to provide shelter in an elegant way, in a good way.
你需要以优雅、良好的方式提供庇护。
You don't just stick people in tents.
你不只是把人们困在帐篷里。
That's the message we, in this camp, want to send to the rest of Europe, that when the refugees get to you, don't forget they're people.
这就是我们在这个难民营中想要向欧洲其他国家传达的信息，即当难民来到你身边时，不要忘记他们也是人。
They need to be treated with respect and with care.
他们需要受到尊重和照顾。
That's why the success of this camp is so important to me.
这就是为什么这个训练营的成功对我来说如此重要。
Nabil is the Greekest Syrian I've ever met.
纳比尔是我见过的最希腊化的叙利亚人。
He moved here 27 years ago, married a Greek, served in the Greek army, works as a doctor, and runs a clinic with his Greek doctor wife, in Greece.
他 27 年前搬到这里，与希腊人结婚，在希腊军队服役，担任医生，并与他的希腊医生妻子在希腊经营一家诊所。
He's so fluent in Greek he often speaks in old world slang my grandmother used to use.
他的希腊语非常流利，经常说我祖母曾经使用过的旧世界俚语。
Nabil knew he was the best advocate for a better lifestyle for refugees.
纳比尔知道他是难民更好生活方式的最佳倡导者。
To rally locals around his cause, Nabil, in a kind of Mr. Smith Goes to the Ionian Sea way, held a town meeting in Maria Palaiologos cafe in Myrsini.
为了团结当地人支持他的事业，纳比勒以一种史密斯先生前往爱奥尼亚海的方式，在米尔西尼的玛丽亚·帕莱奥洛戈斯咖啡馆举行了一次城镇会议。
That's how small a town this is, the cafe doesn't even have a name.
这是一个多么小的小镇，咖啡馆连名字都没有。
It's just Maria Palaiologos cafe.
这只是玛丽亚·帕莱奥洛戈斯咖啡馆。
At least 100 people packed inside, and more spilled out onto the street.
至少有 100 人挤在里面，还有更多人涌到街上。
Some of them had created an atmosphere of fear and terror about the refugees, that they're criminal, heathens, lazy.
他们中的一些人制造了一种对难民的恐惧和恐怖气氛，认为他们是罪犯、异教徒、懒惰。
An old man told me about he was a buy a shotgun to keep them from getting into his home.
一位老人告诉我，他买了一把猎枪，以防止他们进入他的家。
Others were talking about rapes.
其他人正在谈论强奸。
Nabil told them he wanted to bring only families, Syrian families, people like him-- no single men, no Afghans, no Pakistanis, just Syrian families.
纳比尔告诉他们，他只想带家人，叙利亚家庭，像他这样的人——没有单身男子，没有阿富汗人，没有巴基斯坦人，只有叙利亚家庭。
He knew his audience.
他了解他的听众。
He also told the group it wouldn't cost the municipality anything to host the Syrian families.
他还告诉该组织，市政府不会花费任何费用来接待叙利亚家庭。
The state would cover everything but trash collection.
国家将承担除垃圾收集之外的一切费用。
A week after the meeting at the cafe, he called on his municipal council to vote on the plan.
咖啡馆会议一周后，他呼吁市议会对该计划进行投票。
It really went over.
真的就过去了。
Out of 26 council members, only one voted no.
26 名理事会成员中，只有 1 人投了反对票。
Here's how desperate the Greek government is to get people set up in camps.
由此可见希腊政府是多么迫切地希望让人们进入难民营。
It took them less than a week.
他们花了不到一周的时间。
In fact, just four days after the vote, buses filled with Syrians, over 300, arrived at the abandoned beach resort.
事实上，投票后仅四天，满载 300 多名叙利亚人的巴士就抵达了这个废弃的海滩度假村。
Nabil and his family were there, some local councilors too.
纳比尔和他的家人都在场，还有一些当地议员。
Remember, Nabil had promised that only families would come live at the resort.
请记住，纳比尔曾承诺只有家庭才会入住度假村。
Nabil hoped that was true.
纳比尔希望这是真的。
Well, we were very nervous because we didn't know who got in.
好吧，我们非常紧张，因为我们不知道谁进来了。
Since things were done in a hurry, I didn't know what to expect.
由于事情做得很匆忙，我不知道会发生什么。
Who will I find on the buses?
我会在公交车上找到谁？
[SPEAKING GREEK] Interpreter The whole village had gathered.
[说希腊语] 翻译 全村人都聚集在一起。
There was some that came out of love.
有一些是出于爱。
And there was a group against my decision for the center, waiting to see so they could protest more.
还有一群人反对我设立该中心的决定，他们等着看，以便他们可以提出更多抗议。
They wanted to reaffirm their lies using the first image of the refugees.
他们想用难民的第一张照片来重申他们的谎言。
They always say the same.
他们总是说同样的话。
[SPEAKING GREEK] Interpreter If they are men, they will steal, kill, and rape.
[说希腊语] 翻译 如果他们是男人，他们就会偷窃、杀人和强奸。
When they saw, just as I did, the children that were coming out of the buses first, at this point I relaxed.
当他们和我一样看到最先从公共汽车上下来的孩子们时，我放松了。
The crowd started hugging the children.
人群开始拥抱孩子们。
Some of them started smiling.
他们中的一些人开始微笑。
Nabil remembers meeting a baby who was just five days old.
纳比尔记得见过一个刚出生五天的婴儿。
[SPEAKING GREEK] Interpreter She was in a little basket.
[说希腊语] 翻译 她在一个小篮子里。
I got close to the family.
我和家人走近了。
When I went close, I said in Arabic, "Hello, how are you doing." They understood who I was.
当我走近时，我用阿拉伯语说：“你好，你好吗？”他们了解我是谁。
The mother took the baby, put it in my hands.
妈妈接过孩子，放在我手里。
I melted.
我融化了。
I melted.
我融化了。
My knees were shaking from holding her.
我的膝盖因抱着她而颤抖。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] You were moved I said.
[说阿拉伯语]我说你很感动。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Very, very.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 非常非常。
I understood her mother who gave birth alone in a hospital and didn't even know the language, with no one of her people there to wish well for the child in Arabic.
我理解她的母亲，她独自在医院生下孩子，甚至不懂当地语言，她的家人中没有人用阿拉伯语祝福孩子。
[SPEAKING GREEK] Interpreter That's why I was so moved.
[说希腊语] 翻译 这就是为什么我如此感动。
This camp is meant to be better than other camps, and it is.
这个营地本来就是比其他营地更好的，而且确实如此。
There are kids on BMX bikes.
有孩子骑小轮车。
There are soccer and basketball games.
有足球和篮球比赛。
There's a trampoline and ping pong.
有蹦床和乒乓球。
Men play chess on a lawn with a view of the sea.
男人们在可以欣赏海景的草坪上下棋。
The beach is to the west, so there's a sunset on the water every day.
海滩在西边，所以每天都能看到水面上的日落。
Sometimes a group of friends, women, dress up in beautiful printed velour dresses that cover them from head to toe, just to go for a walk on the paved empty road lined with ornate old fashioned lampposts.
有时，一群朋友、女人，穿着漂亮的印花天鹅绒连衣裙，从头到脚覆盖住她们，只是在铺好的空荡荡的道路上散步，道路两旁排列着华丽的老式灯柱。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Joanna Kakissis The Syrians told me that after finally making it to Greece and sleeping in tents, pitched on streets, in field, in the mud, they were relieved to get here and rest on beds and actual homes with their own bathrooms.
[阿拉伯语] Joanna Kakissis 叙利亚人告诉我，他们终于到达了希腊，睡在帐篷里，搭建在街道上、田野里、泥泞里，来到这里，在床上和有自己浴室的真正房子里休息，他们松了口气。
One woman told me she hadn't had a full night's sleep in months until she got here.
一位女士告诉我，在来到这里之前，她已经好几个月没有睡过一整晚觉了。
The camp has been open now for four months.
该营地现已开放四个月了。
And Nabil never expected how demanding it would be.
纳比尔从未预料到它的要求会如此之高。
He's the one who recruited volunteers, organized doctors and midwives, called in immigration lawyers, got supplies donated.
他招募了志愿者，组织了医生和助产士，请来了移民律师，捐赠了物资。
And then when the refugees arrived, he realized a critical oversight.
当难民到达时，他意识到一个严重的疏忽。
He brought hundreds of people who only speak Arabic to a rural area where the only other person for miles who also spoke Arabic was him, Nabil, which meant that he's the person who explains that the food is not rotten or where to buy Halal meat or which direction Mecca is.
他把数百名只会说阿拉伯语的人带到了一个农村地区，那里方圆几英里内唯一会说阿拉伯语的人就是他纳比尔，这意味着他是解释食物没有腐烂、哪里可以买到清真肉或麦加在哪个方向的人。
The Syrians ask him to help them get papers to go to Germany.
叙利亚人请他帮助他们获得前往德国的证件。
They ask him if EU leaders are going to fly them out of the local airport.
他们问他欧盟领导人是否打算将他们带离当地机场。
Sometimes when someone needs to get to Athens for asylum interviews and doesn't have a ride, he'll buy the bus ticket himself.
有时，当有人需要前往雅典进行庇护面谈而没有乘车时，他会自己购买巴士票。
He gets calls from the camp all the time, day or night.
无论白天还是晚上，他总是接到营地打来的电话。
The Syrians ask him everything, including-- because remember, Nabil is not only the mayor, he's also a doctor-- they ask him lots of questions about their health.
叙利亚人问他一切，包括——因为记住，纳比勒不仅是市长，他还是一名医生——他们问了他很多关于他们健康的问题。
Like here he is walking around the camp just saying hello to two women.
就像在这里，他在营地里走来走去，只是向两个女人打招呼。
One of them says her friend is very tired.
其中一位说她的朋友很累。
The friend says her body and throat hurt.
朋友说她的身体和喉咙很痛。
Nabil checks her throat.
纳比尔检查了她的喉咙。
You need antibiotics, he says, and sends her to the camp medical station.
他说，你需要抗生素，并把她送到营地医疗站。
This is all on top of him having to run his clinic full time.
这一切都归功于他必须全职经营他的诊所。
And being mayor is a big job.
担任市长是一项艰巨的工作。
He manages 22 towns in his municipality.
他管理着他所在市的 22 个城镇。
He calls this camp, LM Village, his 23rd town.
他称这个营地为LM村，是他的第23个城镇。
I live in Greece, and I can tell you that the refugee crisis has created a whole new sense of obligation.
我住在希腊，我可以告诉你，难民危机催生了一种全新的义务感。
Whenever I interview Greeks about the refugees or when I talk to my relatives and friends and neighbors, one thing always comes across.
每当我采访希腊人有关难民的问题，或者当我与亲戚、朋友和邻居交谈时，总会遇到一件事。
People want to help them.
人们想帮助他们。
There's a word in Greek, [GREEK].
希腊语中有一个词，[GREEK]。
There's no equivalent in English.
英语中没有对应的词。
But in essence it means be generous and do good.
但本质上，它意味着慷慨和行善。
It's a point of national pride, of Greek character and culture.
这是民族自豪感、希腊性格和文化的体现。
But after a six year economic crisis so many Greeks are broke or barely getting by, Greeks are also thinking it's a very real possibility that I could soon be destitute myself.
但在经历了六年的经济危机之后，许多希腊人破产或勉强度日，希腊人也认为我自己很有可能很快就会陷入贫困。
And how can I help then?
那我能提供什么帮助呢？
How can we help so many displaced people now living with us?
我们如何帮助现在与我们住在一起的这么多流离失所者？
And you see both these impulses, [GREEK] and fear, in Myrsini, the town next to LM Village.
在 LM 村旁边的米尔西尼镇，你会看到这些冲动、[希腊语] 和恐惧。
On the one hand, the locals I spoke with said most people don't have a problem with the Syrians.
一方面，我采访过的当地人说，大多数人对叙利亚人没有意见。
They're happy that these families with little kids are secure and safe.
他们很高兴这些有小孩的家庭安然无恙。
The vice president of the town, for example, told me he spends all day with the Syrians and he sees real needs there.
例如，该镇的副总统告诉我，他整天与叙利亚人在一起，他看到了那里的真正需求。
But he also sees needs all around him, even his own neighbor, a 70-year-old woman he's known his whole life.
但他也看到了周围的需求，甚至包括他自己的邻居，一位他认识了一辈子的 70 岁女人。
She's now so broke she's washing her hair with Tide.
她现在身无分文，只能用汰渍洗头。
Or there's Nikos who's 43, and like a quarter of Greeks, unemployed.
或者还有 43 岁的 Nikos，他和四分之一的希腊人一样失业。
He used to work in construction.
他曾经从事建筑工作。
When I'd met him, he'd been out of work for a while and he didn't have health insurance.
当我遇见他时，他已经失业有一段时间了，而且没有医疗保险。
And he expressed real and understandable resentment.
他表达了真实且可以理解的不满。
I don't have the money to pay.
我没有钱付钱。
So I'll have to stay uninsured.
所以我必须保持没有保险。
If something happens to me and I have to go to the hospital, I will owe money.
如果我出了什么事，必须去医院，我就欠钱了。
A foreigner doesn't have these problems.
外国人不存在这些问题。
It's not fair.
这不公平。
Refugees can go to the hospital for free.
难民可以免费去医院。
Sometimes I've noticed that local resentment toward the camp is less personal and more outright xenophobic.
有时我注意到当地人对集中营的不满不再是针对个人的，而是更加彻头彻尾的仇外心理。
Occasionally the rumors get really overblown.
有时谣言确实被夸大了。
My producer Robyn Semien and I spoke to Alexandra Altouni.
我和我的制片人罗宾·塞米恩 (Robyn Semien) 采访了亚历山德拉·阿尔图尼 (Alexandra Altouni)。
She's the councilwoman who voted against the camp in the first place.
她是最初投票反对该阵营的女议员。
[SPEAKING GREEK] Interpreter I heard of what they say is, well, you know.
[说希腊语] 口译员我听说他们说的是，嗯，你知道。
You guys, you Greeks are supposed to take care of us.
你们希腊人应该照顾我们。
We're not going to do anything here because we don't have to.
我们不会在这里做任何事情，因为我们没有必要。
We gave them a place to stay, to eat.
我们给了他们一个住的地方，一个吃饭的地方。
The Red Cross is helping them.
红十字会正在帮助他们。
We took them to the doctors, gynecologists.
我们带他们去看医生、妇科医生。
We've even given them birth control pills so they won't have more kids.
我们甚至给他们服用了避孕药，这样他们就不会再生孩子了。
So I ask, because theoretically there are women and children here, why do they need birth control pills?
所以我问，因为理论上这里有妇女和儿童，为什么他们需要避孕药？
Because lots of things have been told.
因为很多事情都已经讲过了。
There are lots of rumors going around.
有很多谣言流传。
Do you believe these rumors that the women are prostitutes?
你相信这些女人是妓女的谣言吗？
[SPEAKING GREEK] Interpreter It could be a lie.
[说希腊语] 翻译 这可能是一个谎言。
But I really want to know why they need birth control pills if they don't have men.
但我真的很想知道如果他们没有男人，为什么他们需要避孕药。
But you know, this is what I think.
但你知道，这就是我的想法。
I think--
我认为——
--if they're coming from a war zone and theoretically they're damaged people and they're worried about what's next for them, why do they even care about sex?
——如果他们来自战区，理论上他们是受过伤害的人，他们担心自己接下来会发生什么，为什么他们还要关心性呢？
Why should that even be an issue for them?
为什么这对他们来说是一个问题？
It's not true that most of the women are there without their husbands.
事实并非如此，大多数妇女都没有丈夫在场。
And of course it's not true that they're prostitutes.
当然，她们并不是妓女。
Alexandra resents Nabil for bringing the refugees here.
亚历山德拉对纳比尔将难民带到这里感到不满。
She sees the camp as a betrayal to the Greeks who supported him.
她认为这个集中营是对支持他的希腊人的背叛。
We didn't see him as a Syrian when we voted for him.
当我们投票给他时，我们并没有把他视为叙利亚人。
We supported him more than we would have a Greek, a Greek Greek, a real Greek.
我们对他的支持比我们对一个希腊人、一个希腊人、一个真正的希腊人的支持还要多。
How can I say it?
我该怎么说呢？
We saw him as Greek.
我们把他视为希腊人。
He's not Greek.
他不是希腊人。
He's a guest here.
他是这里的客人。
Four months in, many of the Syrians still seem to like and appreciate Nabil.
四个月过去了，许多叙利亚人似乎仍然喜欢并欣赏纳比勒。
I've been there four times, and for the most part, the Syrians are OK with the camp, just like the Greeks who live around it.
我去过那里四次，在大多数情况下，叙利亚人对这个营地表示满意，就像居住在营地周围的希腊人一样。
There is also a small but very vocal minority that's frustrated and angry and blaming Nabil.
还有一小部分人非常直言不讳，他们感到沮丧和愤怒，并指责纳比尔。
To give you a sense of how intense this can be, the first week in June, I stopped by the camp late one Sunday night with my interpreter, Roula.
为了让你感受到这种情况有多激烈，六月的第一周，一个周日深夜，我和我的翻译鲁拉一起来到了营地。
They heard her accent, and then they knew that she's also Syrian.
他们听到她的口音，然后就知道她也是叙利亚人。
She was instantly surrounded by a crowd.
她立刻就被一群人围住了。
They wanted to talk about Nabil, to complain about him.
他们想谈论纳比尔，抱怨他。
There's lots of mosquitoes here.
这里蚊子很多。
Can you do something about it?
你能做点什么吗？
All of the children here, they have plenty of rashes because of mosquitoes.
这里所有的孩子都因为蚊子而长了很多皮疹。
Would he accept that if his children would live like this.
如果他的孩子也这样生活，他会接受吗？
Someone else complains they found worms in the water tank on the property.
还有人抱怨他们在酒店的水箱里发现了蠕虫。
There had been a protest.
有人抗议。
Some refused to eat.
有些人拒绝进食。
They said Nabil didn't do enough.
他们说纳比尔做得还不够。
Also--
还有——
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Someone broke his leg.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 有人摔断了腿。
And they called in Dr. Nabil, and he was upset as well because they called him.
他们叫来了纳比尔博士，他也因为他们叫来了他而感到不安。
Are there people other than Dr. Nabil you can call here?
除了纳比尔博士之外，还有其他人可以打电话吗？
Because the army has doctors.
因为军队有医生。
He said that Dr. Nabil always told him that there's no doctors in this country.
他说纳比尔医生总是告诉他这个国家没有医生。
He said Nabil told him there were no doctors in this country?
他说纳比尔告诉他这个国家没有医生？
The military doctors are right there, every Monday.
军医每周一都在那里。
There's a midwife that comes every Friday.
每个星期五都会有一名助产士来。
I get Nabil can't be everywhere at once, but that's not what this group wants to hear.
我知道纳比尔不可能同时出现在所有地方，但这不是这个团体想听到的。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter The only thing that we would like from Dr. Nabil is just not to think himself he's done the best thing in the world by bringing us here.
[阿拉伯语] 口译员 我们唯一希望纳比尔博士做的就是不要认为他把我们带到这里做了世界上最好的事情。
I mean, it's good.
我的意思是，这很好。
It's good.
很好。
But still, we just asked him for the water the other day and he said "Oh, if you don't like it here, just go back to Athens."
但那天我们还是向他要了水，他说：“哦，如果你不喜欢这里，那就回雅典吧。”
There is a saying in Greek and in Arabic, do a good deed and then throw it into the sea, meaning don't expect a reward.
希腊语和阿拉伯语有句俗话，“做好事，然后把它扔进海里”，意思是不要期望得到回报。
And Nabil didn't expect a reward, but he also didn't expect to be berated.
而纳比尔没想到会得到奖励，但他也没想到会遭到斥责。
When the Syrians found worms in the water tank, Nabil checked it out right away and fixed it.
当叙利亚人在水箱里发现蠕虫时，纳比尔立即检查并修复了它。
But the complaints that this somehow signified that he didn't care about the Syrians, that got to him.
但有人抱怨这在某种程度上表明他不关心叙利亚人，这让他很伤心。
Yeah, actually it pissed me off.
是的，实际上这让我很生气。
And there were instances like that where everyone's like, it's your fault.
在某些情况下，每个人都会说，这是你的错。
It's your fault.
这是你的错。
It's your fault.
这是你的错。
This perception that I'm always at fault when doesn't go right for them, that upset me so much that for a time I didn't go for days because it stressed me out to go.
当不适合他们时，我总是有错，这让我非常沮丧，以至于有一段时间我好几天没有去，因为这让我感到压力很大。
And now I just go to families that I feel like I can talk to, people who listen to me and who I can listen to, not people who have just decided what they want to think and don't want to hear me out and just want me to do what they want to do-- every little thing.
现在，我只去那些我觉得可以交谈的家庭，那些听我说话的人，我也能听的人，而不是那些刚刚决定了自己的想法、不想听我说完、只想让我做他们想做的事的人——每件小事。
They thought that because I'm the mayor, I can solve everything.
他们认为因为我是市长，所以我可以解决一切问题。
"Of course they need more than they have," he says.
“当然，他们需要的比他们拥有的更多，”他说。
"But it's not fair for them to make demands.
“但他们提出要求是不公平的。
A small group does this," he says, tells him, "You owe us."
一小群人做这件事，”他说，告诉他，“你欠我们的。”
He looks upset telling me this.
他看起来很沮丧地告诉我这件事。
He fidgets with a string of worry beads.
他摆弄着一串忧心珠。
He wants to be understood.
他希望被理解。
He wants you to understand.
他希望你能理解。
So he switches to English.
所以他改用英语。
I give everything.
我付出一切。
I want just a good words.
我只想说一句好话。
And one thank you, nothing else.
还有一句谢谢，除此之外别无其他。
I am one of them.
我就是其中之一。
You feel sad.
你感到悲伤。
For me, they make me sad, a lot of times, very sad.
对我来说，他们让我伤心，很多时候，非常伤心。
Sometimes when he's so exhausted he can't sleep and he's running through all the things he didn't have time to do, he'll remember how simple life was when he was just a good doctor, before he was mayor, before he wanted to change anything.
有时，当他精疲力竭地睡不着觉，他正在经历所有他没有时间做的事情时，他会记得当他只是一个好医生时，在他成为市长之前，在他想要改变任何事情之前，生活是多么简单。
So I ask him, "Why bother?
所以我问他：“为什么要这么麻烦呢？
Why bother doing all this?" And he tells me, "I don't want to be that guy who just sits around and says everything sucks and does nothing.
何必做这一切呢？”他告诉我，“我不想成为那个只是坐在那里说一切都很糟糕却什么也不做的人。
Even this is better than that."
甚至这个也比那个好。”
Joanna Kakissis.
乔安娜·卡基西斯。
She normally reports about the refugee crisis for NPR News from Greece.
她通常为来自希腊的 NPR 新闻报道难民危机。
She's currently writing a book about Syrian families who come from the same neighborhood and are now living in Germany.
她目前正在写一本关于来自同一社区、现在居住在德国的叙利亚家庭的书。
Act Four, Take Another Little Piece of My Heart.
第四幕，再拿走我的一小块心。
So one night at the camp at the beach resort, LM Village, a bunch of kids and men walked up to Joanna and Robyn Semien from our staff.
因此，有一天晚上，在 LM 村海滩度假村的营地，一群孩子和男人从我们的工作人员那里走到乔安娜和罗宾·塞米恩身边。
And one of the men started talking fast, kind of panic struck.
其中一名男子开始快速说话，有点惊慌。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Ira Glass He said his wife had had a medical problem a few days before, and they called an ambulance, but the ambulance did not come.
[阿拉伯语] Ira Glass 他说他的妻子几天前出现了健康问题，他们叫了救护车，但救护车没有来。
And she was still at the camp.
而她还在营地里。
Here's Robyn.
这是罗宾。
As this man talked about his wife, I looked around the crowd for her.
当这个男人谈论他的妻子时，我环顾人群寻找她。
And she's so low key, I didn't see her walk up.
而且她太低调了，我都没看到她走过来。
She stood off to the side, quiet, purple hijab matching her purple long sleeved T-shirt.
她站在一旁，安静地戴着紫色头巾，与她的紫色长袖 T 恤相配。
Her name's Nasem, Nasem Alsayed Ali.
她的名字叫纳塞姆·纳塞姆·阿尔赛义德·阿里。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Robyn Semien Once we started talking, she pulled the neckline of her shirt down, just a little, to show me part of a scar.
[说阿拉伯语] Robyn Semien 我们开始交谈后，她将衬衫的领口拉低了一点，向我展示了伤疤的一部分。
Can you show me where?
你能告诉我在哪里吗？
A perfect right angle, like a bracket, or a greater than sign saying, this direction to her heart, it's greater than the other stuff.
一个完美的直角，就像一个括号，或者一个大于号，表示这个方向指向她的心，它比其他东西都大。
The scar is big, clearly new.
疤痕很大，显然是新的。
Nasem had heart surgery in Turkey in January.
纳塞姆一月份在土耳其接受了心脏手术。
She found out about the heart problem, a hole, back home in Idlib in Syria.
她在叙利亚伊德利卜的家中发现了心脏问题，一个洞。
But there were no good surgeons left.
但优秀的外科医生已经所剩无几了。
They'd all fled or been killed.
他们要么逃跑，要么被杀。
Syrian president Bashar al-Assad has been targeting doctors and medical workers.
叙利亚总统巴沙尔·阿萨德一直把目标瞄准医生和医务人员。
So she and her husband and her three kids went to Turkey.
于是她和丈夫以及三个孩子去了土耳其。
After the surgery, her doctors gave her a strong warning.
手术后，她的医生给了她强烈警告。
Whatever you do, don't get pregnant, for two years.
不管你做什么，两年内都不要怀孕。
Your heart may not be able to handle it.
你的心脏可能无法承受。
You might die.
你可能会死。
They told her to rest and come back in a month.
他们让她好好休息，一个月后再回来。
She and her family did not go back in a month.
她和家人一个月没有回去。
They had a chance to get on a boat to go to Greece, so they did that.
他们有机会坐船去希腊，所以他们就这么做了。
But by the time Nasem got to LM Village, she'd already been hospitalized twice.
但当纳塞姆到达 LM 村时，她已经住院两次了。
They had to drain fluid from the surgery wound.
他们必须排出手术伤口中的液体。
At LM Village, she started having trouble, again.
在LM村，她又开始遇到麻烦了。
Her left arm was in pain.
她的左臂很痛。
Sometimes she couldn't open her left hand.
有时她无法张开左手。
When I went to the hospital here, they just took a blood test for me.
当我去这里的医院时，他们只是给我做了血液检查。
And then two hours later, they came, they said oh, you're pregnant.
两个小时后，他们来了，他们说哦，你怀孕了。
You have a baby.
你有一个孩子了。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter And I said, no, no, I'm not pregnant.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 我说，不，不，我没有怀孕。
And then the [INAUDIBLE], they said, you are pregnant.
然后[听不清]，他们说，你怀孕了。
And it was quite shocking for me that I was pregnant.
我怀孕了，这对我来说是相当震惊的。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter Then I was like oh my god, I don't know what to do.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译然后我就想天哪，我不知道该怎么办。
I don't know what to do.
我不知道该怎么办。
And then they asked me, "Do you want to keep the baby?" And I said no. And they said yes, they're happy that they heard that because--
然后他们问我：“你想留下这个孩子吗？”我说不。他们说是的，他们很高兴听到这个消息，因为——
--keeping of the baby, that means it's dangerous for my life.
——保留这个孩子，这意味着它对我的生命有危险。
This is what they told me at the hospital.
这是他们在医院告诉我的。
So I don't have a choice as well.
所以我也没有选择。
Her husband agreed.
她的丈夫同意了。
They had to think first about Nasem's health.
他们必须首先考虑纳塞姆的健康状况。
The hospital made an appointment for an abortion the following week.
医院预约了下周的堕胎。
Someone at the camp arranged a taxi.
营地里有人安排了一辆出租车。
They got a friend to stay with their kids.
他们有一个朋友和他们的孩子住在一起。
But their youngest is a toddler.
但他们最小的孩子还是个小孩。
She's two.
她两岁了。
You know two.
你认识两个。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter She was screaming and shouting and crying.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 她尖叫着、喊叫着、哭着。
Like we didn't know what happened with her.
就像我们不知道她发生了什么一样。
We couldn't just leave her and go.
我们不能丢下她就走。
We didn't know what's wrong.
我们不知道出了什么问题。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter We said fine-- fine.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 我们说很好——很好。
Let's take her with us.
我们带她一起去吧。
My husband went to the car and said, can you please hold it a minute?
我丈夫走到车边说，你能等一下吗？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter So I just was trying to get her dressed.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译所以我只是想给她穿衣服。
And the time that we got her dressed, the car was gone.
当我们给她穿好衣服时，车子已经不见了。
Oh no. Interpreter He didn't wait.
哦不。翻译 他没有等待。
It's kind of our fault in a way as well that we were late, but--
从某种程度上来说，我们迟到也是我们的错，但是——
It's hard to get a ride as a refugee in Greece.
在希腊，难民很难搭车。
A lot of people think driving a refugee is illegal.
很多人认为开车送难民是违法的。
They couldn't take another cab because they had no money for another cab.
他们不能再乘坐出租车，因为他们没有钱再乘坐出租车。
The one they missed was paid for by donations.
他们错过的那一场是通过捐款支付的。
They don't speak Greek, so they can't even call the hospital to explain and make another appointment.
他们不会说希腊语，所以他们甚至无法打电话给医院解释并再次预约。
No one at the hospital speaks Arabic.
医院里没有人会说阿拉伯语。
Nasem has a brother who lives in Holland who is fluent in Greek, Greek and Arabic.
纳塞姆有一个住在荷兰的兄弟，他能说流利的希腊语、希腊语和阿拉伯语。
So sometimes she'll get him on the phone.
所以有时她会给他打电话。
But you can see how that's not ideal.
但你可以看到这并不理想。
When I met Nasem, she was two or three months pregnant.
当我见到纳塞姆时，她已经怀孕两三个月了。
Different doctors had told her different things.
不同的医生告诉她不同的事情。
She was still having pains in her arm from her surgery.
由于手术，她的手臂仍然疼痛。
I went to her house at the camp.
我去了她在营地的家。
My interpreter Roula and Nasem and I sat at the kitchen table.
我和翻译鲁拉、纳塞姆坐在厨房的桌子旁。
Her husband was there too, pacing.
她的丈夫也在场，正在踱步。
They've been married 11 years.
他们结婚已经11年了。
They have three kids.
他们有三个孩子。
He was losing his mind over all this.
他对这一切失去了理智。
We had a long talk about everything that's been on their mind since all this started, including how they got here.
我们就这一切开始以来他们一直在想的一切进行了长时间的交谈，包括他们是如何到达这里的。
Did you talk about using birth control?
您是否谈论过使用节育措施？
Was there a way to get birth control?
有办法节育吗？
I couldn't take the birth control because I couldn't take any medication after the operation.
我无法采取避孕措施，因为手术后我无法服用任何药物。
And we were planning to do with something inside.
我们计划在里面做点什么。
A diaphragm.
隔膜。
Interpreter A diaphragm.
翻译员A隔膜。
But we didn't have time when I was in Turkey.
但我在土耳其的时候我们没有时间。
Dr. Nabil and many people, they told my husband, man, you're fast, why you didn't hold them a second for getting her pregnant.
纳比尔医生和很多人，他们告诉我丈夫，伙计，你速度很快，为什么你不让他们等一下就让她怀孕了。
But the thing is they tried their best, like he was-- so they were trying kind of using--
但问题是他们尽了最大努力，就像他一样——所以他们正在尝试使用——
Oh, I'm stopping the tape.
哦，我要停止录像了。
Things got a little explicit.
事情变得有点明确了。
So I just rephrased what her husband told me.
所以我只是重新表述了她丈夫告诉我的话。
OK, back to the tape.
好吧，回到磁带。
It's the pull out method.
就是拔出来的方法。
He was always doing this method.
他一直在用这个方法。
But he doesn't know how-- like, we don't know how it happened.
但他不知道是怎么发生的——就像我们不知道它是怎么发生的一样。
What about condoms?
避孕套呢？
Nasem Alsayed Ali [SPEAKING ARABIC]
Nasem Alsayed Ali [阿拉伯语]
He doesn't like to use condoms some days.
有时他不喜欢使用避孕套。
You're blushing.
你脸红了。
Not so surprising universal truth-- many men who love their wives do not love condoms.
并不令人惊讶的普遍事实是：许多爱妻子的男人不喜欢安全套。
So, after Nasem and her husband missed their first abortion appointment, they eventually did get another one.
因此，在纳塞姆和她的丈夫错过了第一次堕胎预约后，他们最终还是得到了另一次堕胎。
I went again.
我又去了。
I finally could find appointment.
我终于找到预约了。
I want again there, but they said that they could not do the operation now because the baby is big.
我想再去那里，但他们说现在不能做手术，因为宝宝太大了。
Oh no. She got this news just two weeks after the first appointment.
哦不。她在第一次预约两周后就得到了这个消息。
She was still in her first trimester, but the hospital she was at was so small, they couldn't safely handle the abortion.
她还处于妊娠早期，但她所在的医院太小，无法安全地进行堕胎。
The very thing the heart surgeons warned her against, pregnancy might be too much for her heart, and here she was, pregnant, and being told, basically, hope for the best.
心脏外科医生警告她不要做的事情是，怀孕可能对她的心脏来说太大了，而她现在怀孕了，并被告知，基本上，希望有最好的结果。
This sounds so dangerous.
这听起来很危险。
What you're describing, it sounds very dangerous.
你所描述的，听起来非常危险。
How scary is it for you?
对你来说有多可怕？
How scared are you?
你有多害怕？
Sometimes I just cannot sleep all in the night.
有时我整晚都睡不着。
But what I do is I pray.
但我所做的就是祈祷。
I pray for God to help me.
我祈求上帝帮助我。
And I pray to tell him, please God, if I sleep, wake me up the next day.
我祈祷告诉他，上帝啊，如果我睡着了，请第二天叫醒我。
Don't just let me sleep for the rest of my life.
别让我一辈子都在睡觉。
Do you ever wake your husband up and tell him I can't sleep, I can't sleep?
你有没有把你丈夫叫醒并告诉他我睡不着，我睡不着？
Yes, of course.
是的当然。
I mean sometimes he would tell me to be patient, be patient and pray.
我的意思是有时他会告诉我要有耐心，要有耐心并祈祷。
A high risk pregnancy is scary under normal circumstances, not to mention a very high risk pregnancy.
高危妊娠在正常情况下都是可怕的，更不用说极高危妊娠了。
Nasem was in a refugee camp.
纳塞姆在难民营里。
No one spoke her language.
没有人说她的语言。
Money was tight.
钱很紧张。
She couldn't get around on her own.
她无法独自行动。
And she couldn't get medical advice she could trust.
她也无法获得她可以信赖的医疗建议。
A third of the women in this camp were pregnant.
这个营地中有三分之一的妇女怀孕了。
I talked to others.
我和其他人交谈过。
Nobody was happy to be having a baby here.
没有人高兴在这里生孩子。
But Nasem's case was the most extreme.
但纳塞姆的例子是最极端的。
If there's a way to have an abortion now, you still want one?
如果现在有堕胎的方法，你还想堕胎吗？
No, I prefer not to have abortion.
不，我不想堕胎。
I prefer to go and stay in the hospital to give birth.
我宁愿去医院待产。
Now you want the baby?
现在你想要孩子吗？
Nasem Alsayed Ali [SPEAKING ARABIC]
Nasem Alsayed Ali [阿拉伯语]
Yes.
是的。
Robyn Semien I came back from a week of reporting in Greece and couldn't stop thinking about Nasem.
罗宾·塞米恩（Robyn Semien） 我从希腊报道一周回来，就忍不住想起纳塞姆。
Whatever I was doing, she was still at a refugee camp waiting out a high risk pregnancy.
无论我在做什么，她仍然在难民营等待高危妊娠结束。
I talked to an OB-GYN in New York and described the situation.
我与纽约的一位妇产科医生交谈并描述了情况。
She said a pregnancy like this requires weekly monitoring by a specialist, sometimes daily depending on what's happening, and that the delivery or C-section would require a cardiologist to be there as well.
她说，像这样的怀孕需要专家每周进行监测，有时根据情况每天进行监测，并且分娩或剖腹产也需要心脏病专家在场。
I reached out to one of the midwives at the camp.
我联系了营地的一位助产士。
She told me Nasem had finally had an abortion.
她告诉我纳塞姆终于堕胎了。
I was surprised and a little freaked out.
我很惊讶，也有点害怕。
How?
如何？
Where did she wind up?
她最后去了哪里？
I called my interpreter Roula right away to get in touch with Nasem.
我立即打电话给我的翻译鲁拉，与纳塞姆取得联系。
I wanted to know if she was OK.
我想知道她是否还好。
When Roula reached Nasem, she wasn't at LM Village.
当鲁拉到达纳塞姆时，她并不在 LM 村。
She was at a university hospital two hours away in the high risk pregnancy ward where she did not have an abortion.
她在两小时车程外的一所大学医院的高危妊娠病房里，没有堕胎。
She was still pregnant.
她还怀孕了。
It's nice to hear your voice again.
很高兴再次听到你的声音。
Why are you in the hospital?
你为什么在医院？
It had been a rough few days.
这几天过得很艰难。
She was bleeding and ended up here.
她流血了，最后来到了这里。
It turned out to be a blood clot, which went away.
原来是血块，后来就消失了。
And then they kept her for a few days longer.
然后他们又把她关了几天。
She wasn't sure why exactly, but she thought due to concerns with her heart.
她也不知道具体的原因，但她想是出于内心的担忧。
They told me that they should just lie down and not work, not carry anything.
他们告诉我，他们应该躺下，不要工作，不要携带任何东西。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter They told me that my situation is a bit not stable.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 他们告诉我，我的情况有点不稳定。
When I asked Nasem if the doctor recommended she have an abortion, she told me she didn't know.
当我问纳塞姆医生是否建议她堕胎时，她告诉我她不知道。
She thought her pregnancy was as risky as it had always been, but she also wanted to get back to her family at the camp.
她认为怀孕一如既往地危险，但她也想回到营地的家人身边。
I couldn't quite tell what was going on, and neither could she.
我不太清楚发生了什么事，她也不能。
So with her permission, I called the doctor.
所以在她的允许下，我打电话给医生。
It took two weeks to get a hold of them.
花了两周时间才拿到它们。
I would like to introduce myself.
我想介绍一下我自己。
Hi, I am Charalampos Vitsas, obstetrician in General Hospital of Patras University in Greece.
大家好，我是 Charalampos Vitsas，希腊帕特雷大学总医院的产科医生。
Dr. Vitsas treats women in the high risk pregnancies.
维萨斯医生治疗高危妊娠妇女。
The hospital is the best hospital in the area to handle Nasem's situation.
该医院是该地区处理纳塞姆情况最好的医院。
It also has a cardiology department.
它还设有心脏病科。
Dr. Vitsas treated Nasem during the eight days she was there.
维萨斯医生在纳塞姆在那里的八天里对她进行了治疗。
She was the first woman from a refugee camp he's treated.
她是他治疗的第一位来自难民营的女性。
I asked him, in different ways, how bad is this?
我以不同的方式问他，这有多糟糕？
Can Nasem survive having this baby?
纳塞姆能生下这个孩子吗？
He said it's not black and white.
他说这不是黑白分明的。
She might survive.
她可能会活下来。
He'd heard about a similar case where the woman survived.
他听说过类似的案例，这名女子幸存下来。
In your professional opinion, do you think she should have an abortion?
以您的专业意见，您认为她应该堕胎吗？
No. Robyn Semien But as we talked, it became clear that he thought "no" because he understood that's what Nasem wanted.
罗宾·塞米恩 (Robyn Semien) 不，但当我们交谈时，很明显他认为“不”，因为他明白这就是纳塞姆想要的。
It wasn't his medical opinion.
这不是他的医学意见。
He just assumed she'd never consider an abortion, for religious reasons.
他只是假设她出于宗教原因永远不会考虑堕胎。
He didn't know about the missed abortion appointment in the other hospital, or that Nasem had had an abortion once back in Syria.
他不知道另一家医院错过了堕胎预约，也不知道纳塞姆回到叙利亚后曾堕胎。
He said they could barely communicate.
他说他们几乎无法沟通。
She was in the hospital for over a week, and no one there spoke Arabic.
她在医院住了一个多星期，那里没有人说阿拉伯语。
He said even trying to tell her at the end of the week, you're OK.
他说，甚至试图在周末告诉她，你没事。
You can go now.
你现在可以走了。
Even that took 20 minutes with her brother on the phone, the one who speaks Greek helping translate.
即便如此，她还是花了 20 分钟与她哥哥通电话，而哥哥会说希腊语，帮忙翻译。
Hearing this kind of blew my mind.
听到这样的说法，我的心大为震惊。
All you do when you're pregnant is go to a doctor every few weeks and talk about you.
当您怀孕时，您所做的就是每隔几周去看医生并谈论您的情况。
How are you feeling?
你感觉怎么样？
What are you worrying about?
你在担心什么？
How's your appetite?
你胃口怎么样？
Every incremental, mind numbingly boring change is discussed.
每一个渐进的、令人头脑麻木的无聊变化都会被讨论。
Nasem's in this super dangerous pregnancy, and when she finally got to see a doctor who specializes in high risk pregnancies and was in his care for a whole week, he said she asked him next to nothing.
纳塞姆正处于超级危险的妊娠期，当她终于去看了一位专门治疗高危妊娠的医生并接受了他整整一周的护理时，他说她几乎没有问过他什么。
And he explained things using Google Translate on his phone hoping it made sense.
他用手机上的谷歌翻译解释了事情，希望它有意义。
It seemed tragic.
这看起来很悲惨。
After I told him she was, in fact, open to the idea of an abortion, I asked the question again.
在我告诉他她实际上愿意接受堕胎的想法后，我再次问了这个问题。
Do you think if you knew that she was open to the idea, even though she doesn't want one, do you think you might have asked her to consider maybe having one?
你是否认为，如果你知道她对这个想法持开放态度，即使她不想要一个，你是否认为你可能会要求她考虑拥有一个？
Yeah, because the condition is very high risk.
是的，因为这种情况的风险非常高。
Huh.
呵呵。
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Nasem should have an abortion.
需要澄清的是，我并不是说纳塞姆应该堕胎。
I'm saying she deserves to have a conversation with a doctor where all the risks are discussed in detail and she can make an informed decision.
我是说她应该与医生进行一次对话，详细讨论所有风险，这样她就可以做出明智的决定。
Without that, a choice isn't a choice.
没有这个，选择就不是选择。
It's a guess.
这是一个猜测。
Maybe the biggest problem with having a pregnancy like this, in a refugee camp, is no one person is tracking Nasem as she goes.
也许在难民营里怀孕的最大问题是没有人跟踪纳塞姆。
I'm sure that's a problem with other urgent medical issues, but a pregnancy like Nasem's, she needs someone who will take this on, who will be with her for the whole nine months.
我确信这也是其他紧急医疗问题的一个问题，但是像纳塞姆这样怀孕的人，她需要有人能承担起这件事，能陪伴她整整九个月。
She doesn't have that.
她没有那个。
As of August, she's six months pregnant, still at the camp, and still piecing it together without understanding most of what's being said to her, one worrying hospital visit to the next.
截至八月，她已经怀孕六个月了，仍在营地里，仍然在拼凑一切，但无法理解他们对她说的大部分内容，一次又一次令人担忧的医院访问。
Act Five, Smile, You're On Handmade Camera.
第五幕，微笑，你在手工制作的相机上。
So when we were preparing to go to Greece, one of our producers, Sean Cole, was researching probably the best known refugee camp.
因此，当我们准备去希腊时，我们的制作人之一肖恩·科尔（Sean Cole）正在研究可能是最著名的难民营。
It was at Idomeni.
那是在伊多梅尼。
Right on the Macedonian border in the north.
位于北部马其顿边境。
And it was like on the border.
就像在边境一样。
And it was vast, 15,000 people living there at its height, and not an official camp set up by the government.
而且面积很大，鼎盛时期居住着 15,000 人，而且不是政府设立的官方营地。
It was kind of a mess-- mud and people and protests and clashes with police and refugees throwing rocks and police firing tear gas.
场面有点混乱——泥泞、人群、抗议和冲突，警察和难民投掷石块，警察发射催泪瓦斯。
If you saw any pictures in the news of Greek refugee camps, chances are you were looking at Idomeni.
如果您在希腊难民营的新闻中看到任何图片，很可能您正在看伊多梅尼。
But researching Idomeni, we hit upon this one piece of coverage that we found that was not like any of the others.
但在研究伊多梅尼时，我们发现了这篇报道，它与其他报道不同。
And Sean got a little bit obsessed with it.
肖恩对此有点着迷。
Here he is.
他在这里。
Before we left for Greece, I had heard that a group of refugees at Idomeni were doing video news bulletins from the camp themselves, which was intriguing.
在我们出发前往希腊之前，我听说伊多梅尼的一群难民正在自己的营地制作视频新闻公告，这很有趣。
They called it refugees.tv.
他们称之为refugees.tv。
But then when I went to watch the videos online--
但当我去网上观看视频时——
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Sean Cole I'll just describe them.
[说阿拉伯语] Sean Cole 我只是描述一下它们。
They're like the field reports you see on TV where the reporter's on the scene.
它们就像你在电视上看到的现场报道，记者在现场。
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Sean Cole But in this case, the reporter is talking into a pretend microphone, like something a kid would make in an after school craft lesson.
[插入声音] Sean Cole 但在这种情况下，记者正在对着一个假装的麦克风说话，就像孩子在课后工艺课上所做的那样。
And also in the shot with him-- I mean obviously somebody is actually recording him.
还有他的镜头——我的意思是显然有人正在录制他。
But within the shot is another guy who's just acting like he's the camera man, with a camera that is a block of wood with a plastic bottle tied to it.
但镜头中还有另一个人，他的行为就像摄影师一样，他的相机是一块木头，上面绑着一个塑料瓶。
And with fake mic and camera in hand, they walk up to one person after another and say, in reporterly seriousness, "May I ask a few questions?"
他们手里拿着假麦克风和摄像机，走到一个又一个人面前，以记者般的严肃态度说：“我可以问几个问题吗？”
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Sean Cole Some people smile a little first.
[说阿拉伯语] Sean Cole 有些人首先会微笑。
Everyone says sure, and politely answers.
每个人都说肯定，并礼貌地回答。
It just didn't match up with anything I think when I think of a refugee camp.
当我想到难民营时，它与我的想法完全不相符。
Like it wasn't in the script.
就像剧本里没有的一样。
It was funny and surreal, and I loved them immediately.
这很有趣而且超现实，我立刻就喜欢上了他们。
So when we finally got over there, I went and met them at the camp they had moved to after Idomeni was closed.
因此，当我们最终到达那里时，我去他们在伊多梅尼关闭后搬到的营地会见了他们。
Hi.
你好。
How are you?
你好吗？
Basel.
巴塞尔。
Mahmoud Abdul Rahim Mahmoud.
马哈茂德·阿卜杜勒·拉希姆·马哈茂德。
Great camera.
很棒的相机。
The guys with the fake camera and mic are Basel Alyatkan and Mahmoud Abdul Rahim.
使用假相机和麦克风的人是 Basel Alyatkan 和 Mahmoud Abdul Rahim。
Basel's 30.
巴塞尔 30.
He's from Damascus.
他来自大马士革。
Mahmoud's 24 from Aleppo.
马哈茂德 24 岁，来自阿勒颇。
In their Penn and Teller duo, Mahmoud, the reporter, is the tall skinny one with his face to the crowd.
在佩恩和特勒的二人组中，记者马哈茂德是那个高高瘦瘦、面朝人群的人。
Basel, squinting into a piece of wood, is shorter and chubby, and says almost nothing in the videos.
巴塞尔眯着眼睛看着一块木头，身材矮胖，在视频中几乎什么也没说。
But when I sat down on a blanket with them in the grass, Basel did most of the talking.
但当我和他们一起坐在草地上的毯子上时，巴塞尔说了大部分话。
He says they were just sitting around chatting one day about how there weren't as many camera crews around the camp as usual.
他说有一天他们只是坐在一起聊天，谈论营地周围没有像往常那么多的摄制组。
And while they were talking, he started fashioning together this dummy microphone from some junk that was just lying around.
当他们谈话时，他开始用周围的一些垃圾制作这个虚拟麦克风。
I had sort of a teacup-- Sean Cole He means a Styrofoam cup.
我有一个茶杯——肖恩·科尔，他的意思是聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料杯。
--and the lid of a sardines can.
——还有沙丁鱼罐头的盖子。
I fit it in, and we were just talking, normal conversation.
我适应了，我们只是聊天，正常的谈话。
And Mahmoud started talking, so I put this thing next to his mouth.
马哈茂德开始说话，所以我把这个东西放在他的嘴边。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter And I started switching between back and forth.
[说阿拉伯语] 口译员 我开始来回切换。
Switching back and forth the way interviewers do with a real microphone.
来回切换采访者使用真实麦克风的方式。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter So I worked on the body of the camera with this piece of wood, this water bottle that you see attached to it, and then attached to it this wire and this sock to clean the lens.
[说阿拉伯语] 口译员 所以我用这块木头和你看到的连接到它的水瓶来处理相机的机身，然后将这条电线和这只袜子连接到它来清洁镜头。
The lens, which is the cap of a plastic water bottle.
镜头，是塑料水瓶的盖子。
And then we started talking how bad the media is.
然后我们开始谈论媒体有多么糟糕。
Case in point, after they had jury rigged the mic and the wooden camera together, they ran off to, quote, unquote, "cover" their first big story.
举个例子，在他们将麦克风和木制摄像机组装在一起后，他们就跑去引用、取消引用、“掩盖”他们的第一个大故事。
This was before anyone was even videoing them doing it.
这是在有人拍摄他们这样做之前。
They were just goofing around.
他们只是闲逛而已。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter There was some children burning the tents in one area.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 有一些孩子在一个区域焚烧帐篷。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter So Mahmoud and I ran up to them to start filming them up to show that this is what the media is interested in, to film the bad things.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译苏·马哈茂德和我跑到他们面前开始拍摄他们，以表明媒体感兴趣的是拍摄坏事。
And then a group of media people saw us and they came to film us while--
然后一群媒体人看到了我们，他们过来拍摄我们，同时——
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Mahmoud Abdul Rahim [SPEAKING ARABIC]
[阿拉伯语] 马哈茂德·阿卜杜勒·拉希姆 [阿拉伯语]
Sean Cole This is Mahmoud, the fake reporter.
肖恩·科尔 这是马哈茂德，假记者。
And the fire brigade, the Greek fire brigade were trying to put out the fire.
消防队，希腊消防队正在努力扑灭大火。
And I started saying the Greek brigade are putting out the fire outside--
我开始说希腊旅正在外面灭火——
--putting out the fire inside our hearts.
——扑灭我们心中的火焰。
From then on, they started filming their coverage, first on a cell phone camera.
从那时起，他们开始拍摄报道，首先是用手机摄像头。
And then someone at a German NGO liked what they were doing and donated a real camera to the cause, just a little Panasonic.
然后，德国一家非政府组织的某人喜欢他们所做的事情，并向这项事业捐赠了一台真正的相机，只是一个松下的小相机。
Their friend Mustafa is basically the entire crew.
他们的朋友穆斯塔法基本上是整个船员。
I'm the real cameraman.
我才是真正的摄影师
Sean Cole Mustafa speaks English.
肖恩·科尔·穆斯塔法会说英语。
And their buddy Sameer has a laptop, so he uploads the videos to Facebook.
他们的好友 Sameer 有一台笔记本电脑，因此他将视频上传到 Facebook。
One of the first videos they uploaded was the most classic hacky TV news cliche you could think of.
他们上传的第一个视频是你能想到的最经典的黑客电视新闻陈词滥调。
Mahmoud does an on the spot report from a gale force wind storm, Pup tents are billowing around.
马哈茂德对一场强风风暴进行了现场报告，小狗帐篷在周围翻腾。
He and Basel walk over to an unsuspecting interview subject, but you can barely hear them because, again, they're speaking into a piece of garbage.
他和巴塞尔毫无戒心地走向采访对象，但你几乎听不到他们的声音，因为他们又对着一堆垃圾说话。
It makes sense that these guys, and actually a lot of the refugees that we talked to, would have a problem with the media.
这些人，实际上还有我们采访过的很多难民，对媒体有意见，这是有道理的。
You hear people say, we're living like animals here.
你听到人们说，我们在这里像动物一样生活。
Add to that a bunch of random camera crews and reporters roaming around, and they feel like animals in a zoo.
再加上一群随机的摄制组和记者在周围闲逛，他们感觉就像动物园里的动物。
Plus someone else is deciding what their story is and what it means.
另外，其他人正在决定他们的故事是什么及其含义。
That must suck.
那一定很糟糕。
So taking out the fake camera and mocking the news media was an antidote to that, for everybody.
因此，对每个人来说，拿出假相机并嘲笑新闻媒体都是解决这个问题的方法。
This is Basel again.
这又是巴塞尔。
Seeing us doing this made sense because it spoke to them.
看到我们这样做是有道理的，因为这对他们来说很有意义。
It represented the truth of what's happening in the camp.
它代表了集中营中发生的事情的真相。
The truth being a bunch of people walking around with ridiculous contraptions?
事实是一群人带着可笑的装置四处走动？
Sean Cole And pretty soon they got more ambitious.
肖恩·科尔 很快他们就变得更加雄心勃勃。
Instead of just poking fun at the media, they put on a full scale, Saturday Night Live type sketch aimed at the whole political circus of the refugee crisis, as they saw it.
他们不只是取笑媒体，而是针对他们所看到的难民危机的整个政治马戏表演了一场全面的、《周六夜现场》式的小品。
Mahmoud, once again, is on the spot reporter saying, "New surprise from Refugees.tv, breaking news minute by minute." But this time a group of fake UN officials are stationed behind him, five men standing near a tiny square table with paper placards strung around their necks that say UN written in pen.
马哈茂德再次对现场记者说道：“难民电视台的新惊喜，每分钟都是突发新闻。”但这一次，一群假联合国官员驻扎在他身后，五名男子站在一张小方桌旁，脖子上挂着纸质标语牌，上面用钢笔写着“联合国”。
A white board hung off to the side reads, UN Office of No Information and No Help For Refugees.
旁边挂着一块白板，上面写着：联合国无信息和难民援助办公室。
One of the five fake officials is Mustafa.
穆斯塔法是五名假官员之一。
Mahmoud approaches him, saying, "How can you help the refugees here that have been stuck for over 55 days-- 55 days-- and don't know what's going to happen to them?
马哈茂德走近他，说道：“你如何帮助这里的难民，他们已经被困在这里超过 55 天——55 天——而且不知道他们会发生什么？
And the UN and the European Union haven't decided anything.
联合国和欧盟还没有做出任何决定。
They're saying there's a surprise today at the UN office.
他们说今天联合国办公室有惊喜。
Can you tell us about it?
你能告诉我们一下吗？
Yeah, we have a surprise from our office, the new United Nations office.
是的，我们的办公室，新的联合国办公室给我们带来了惊喜。
So we found a solution for the people.
所以我们为人们找到了一个解决方案。
Now there is a new asylum program.
现在有一个新的庇护计划。
We choose a country for you.
我们为您选择一个国家。
We're going to choose for you Syria or Iraq, or Palestine if you want.
如果您愿意，我们将为您选择叙利亚或伊拉克，或者巴勒斯坦。
So from here, we will carry you to Syria or Iraq.
因此，从这里，我们将带您前往叙利亚或伊拉克。
So there you will die one time, very fast.
所以你会死一次，而且死得很快。
Because here you die every day and very slowly.
因为在这里你每天都会死去，而且死得很慢。
You go Syria or Iraq, you die straight away.
你去叙利亚或伊拉克，你会立即死去。
So it becomes easy for you to die.
这样你就很容易死了。
Thank you very much.
非常感谢。
Sean Cole But when you take all the videos together, you realize the mission of Refugees.tv is much simpler than satire.
肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole) 但当你把所有视频放在一起时，你会发现 Refugees.tv 的使命比讽刺简单得多。
That's not even the main focus.
这甚至不是主要焦点。
They just want to tell their own story instead of ceding that to someone else.
他们只是想讲述自己的故事，而不是将其交给别人。
And the name of the project not withstanding, in a way, they're sticking their hand in the air and saying, we're not Refugees with a capital R.
不管这个项目的名称如何，在某种程度上，他们把手举在空中说，我们不是大写 R 的难民。
We're people who were going somewhere until something stopped us.
我们是一群本来要去某个地方直到有什么东西阻止我们的人。
Individually, the videos have a kind of diaristic randomness to them.
单独来看，这些视频有一种日记式的随机性。
And like a diary, the entries aren't always that significant.
就像日记一样，这些条目并不总是那么重要。
They're just what happened that day, like coming across five Europeans in a car listening to hip hop, or a little girl singing a Whitney Houston song--
它们就是那天发生的事情，就像在车里遇到五个欧洲人听嘻哈音乐，或者一个小女孩唱着惠特尼·休斯顿的歌——
--or a protest or people complaining about conditions about the media, or in one case a personal drama that it seems like you'd have to be living at the camp in order to capture it.
——或者一场抗议，或者人们抱怨媒体的状况，或者在一种情况下，一场个人戏剧，似乎你必须住在营地里才能捕捉到它。
One day early last May, a guy named Abu Muhammad was beaten up while waiting in line for food.
去年五月初的一天，一名名叫阿布·穆罕默德的男子在排队等候食物时遭到殴打。
That happened a lot at Idomeni.
这种事在伊多梅尼发生过很多次。
Fights would break out in the food lines.
食物排队时会爆发战斗。
Because of the fight, Abu Muhammad hadn't eaten.
由于战斗，阿布·穆罕默德没有吃东西。
His kids hadn't eaten.
他的孩子们还没吃饭。
And he just snapped and decided to hang himself.
他突然勃然大怒，决定上吊自杀。
He got as far as rigging up this rickety gallows by the train tracks before a whole crowd of people stopped him and tried to calm him down, at which point he just became a ball of desperation.
他甚至在铁轨旁架起了摇摇欲坠的绞刑架，然后一大群人拦住了他，试图让他平静下来，此时他已经陷入了绝望。
That's where the video starts, a bunch of people surrounding a big guy in a blue coat.
这就是视频开始的地方，一群人围着一个穿着蓝色外套的大个子。
"I don't care.
“我不在乎。
You will die trying to feed your children every day," he said.
你会因为每天喂养孩子而死去，”他说。
"I have children to feed.
“我有孩子要养活。
It's a shame on you.
这对你来说是一种耻辱。
It's such a shame on you.
你真是太丢脸了。
You should feel ashamed of yourselves.
你应该为自己感到羞耻。
What are you waiting for, some tea?
还等什么，来一杯茶吧？
Fear God, you people.
敬畏上帝，你们这些人。
My child is not here to be humiliated.
我的孩子不是来受羞辱的。
You are driving me insane.
你快把我逼疯了。
Fear God."
敬畏上帝。”
As he says all this, a couple of people take down the wooden beam from where he'd wedged it between two posts.
当他说完这一切时，几个人将他插在两根柱子之间的木梁拆了下来。
Less than a month after that happened, the government finally came to clear out this whole ramshackle, unofficial camp at Idomeni.
事情发生后不到一个月，政府终于清理了伊多梅尼这个摇摇欲坠的非官方营地。
Now the guys are living at an official camp run by the military.
现在，这些人住在军方管理的官方营地里。
And Basel says he was warned, in no uncertain terms by a security official who said, "No more running around as journalists documenting camp life."
巴塞尔表示，一名安全官员毫不含糊地警告他，“不要再像记者一样到处跑，记录难民营的生活了。”
Wow.
哇。
You are in a European state now.
您现在处于欧洲国家。
You have to follow the European rule.
你必须遵守欧洲规则。
Otherwise, Turkey is over there.
否则，土耳其就在那里。
Of course, freedom of the press is part of European law, but anyway.
当然，新闻自由是欧洲法律的一部分，但无论如何。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter This happened to me, and Mahmoud also was warned.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 这发生在我身上，马哈茂德也受到警告。
And so was Mustafa.
穆斯塔法也是如此。
So like lots of information outlets all over the world, in light of changing market forces, they altered their format.
因此，就像世界各地的许多信息渠道一样，根据不断变化的市场力量，他们改变了格式。
He's saying, you know America's Got Talent ?
他说，你知道美国达人秀吗？
We're going to make Refugees Got Talent.
我们要制作《难民达人秀》。
Sean Cole The first episode went live at the beginning of June.
肖恩·科尔 第一集于六月初上线。
Mahmoud, Basel, and Mustafa are the judges.
马哈茂德、巴塞尔和穆斯塔法担任评委。
It's just like America's Got Talent except they're in a tent sitting in plastic patio chairs.
就像美国达人秀一样，只不过他们坐在帐篷里的塑料露台椅子上。
And there are no celebrities, no bright lights, commercials.
而且没有名人，没有明亮的灯光，没有广告。
Actually I guess it's pretty different.
事实上我想这很不同。
The audience crowds in sitting on the floor where they poke their heads into the door of the tent.
观众蜂拥而至，坐在地板上，把头探进帐篷门。
Sometimes the refugee contestants really do got talent.
有时候，难民选手确实很有才华。
Mahmoud is the Simon Cowell.
马哈茂德是西蒙·考威尔。
So at the end of a performance, even if he liked it, he might throw in, "I have a piece of advice.
所以在表演结束时，即使他喜欢，他也可能会插话，“我有一个建议。
When you sing, try to open your mouth more to give a clearer song."
当你唱歌的时候，尽量张大嘴巴，这样才能唱出更清晰的歌声。”
One guy's talent is impersonating an Arab celebrity.
一个人的才华是模仿阿拉伯名人。
Another does mime.
另一个则表演哑剧。
He calls himself Mohammad who freezes in place.
他称自己为穆罕默德，但他僵在原地。
That act ends with him pretending to fall over dead.
这一幕以他假装摔倒而告终。
[LAUGHTER] It's a hit.
[笑声]这很受欢迎。
Mustafa told me the plan was to do this twice a week as the new face of Refugees.tv, a safer version that won't break the rules.
穆斯塔法告诉我，计划是作为 Refugees.tv 的新面孔每周做两次这样的事情，这是一个不会违反规则的更安全的版本。
We don't want to be in trouble with them, just trying to make some funny things.
我们不想给他们带来麻烦，只是想做一些有趣的事情。
But Basel told me something different, that Refugees.tv is just a way for them to get the police at the camp used to them, so that eventually they could go back to their original shenanigans.
但巴塞尔告诉我一些不同的事情，难民电视台只是他们让难民营的警察习惯他们的一种方式，这样他们最终就可以回到原来的恶作剧。
And sure enough, a month later when I looked at their Facebook page, there was a new video.
果然，一个月后，当我查看他们的 Facebook 页面时，出现了一个新视频。
It's Mustafa holding the fake mic and Basel with the fake camera interviewing a couple about their baby who was just born at the camp.
穆斯塔法拿着假麦克风，巴塞尔拿着假相机采访一对夫妇，谈论他们刚在营地出生的孩子。
I did wonder what would happen if they got in trouble, like what the punishment would be.
我确实想知道如果他们遇到麻烦会发生什么，比如会受到什么惩罚。
Mustafa said, "Maybe they arrest us, put us in a jail that's better than this one."
穆斯塔法说：“也许他们逮捕了我们，把我们关进比这更好的监狱。”
Sean Cole.
肖恩·科尔.
[MUSIC - TOM PETTY, "REFUGEE"]
[音乐 - 汤姆·佩蒂，“难民”]
Credits Ira Glass Our program was produced today by Miki Meek and Joanna Kakissis.
图片来源 Ira Glass 今天我们的节目由 Miki Meek 和 Joanna Kakissis 制作。
Our production staff, Zoe Chace, Dana Chivis, Sean Cole, Neil Drumming, Emmanuel Dzotsi, Stephanie Foo, David Kestenbaum, Chana Joffe-Walt, Jonathan Menjivar, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, Lyra Smith, Matt Tierney, and Nancy Updike.
我们的制作人员包括 Zoe Chace、Dana Chivis、Sean Cole、Neil Drumming、Emmanuel Dzotsi、Stephanie Foo、David Kestenbaum、Chana Joffe-Walt、Jonathan Menjivar、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp、Lyra Smith、Matt Tierney 和 Nancy Updike。
Our editor is Joel Lovell.
我们的编辑是乔尔·洛弗尔。
Editorial help from Julie Snyder and Elna Baker.
朱莉·斯奈德和埃尔娜·贝克的编辑帮助。
Research help today from Michelle Harris, Benjamin Phelan, and Christopher Swetala.
今天，米歇尔·哈里斯 (Michelle Harris)、本杰明·费兰 (Benjamin Phelan) 和克里斯托弗·斯维塔拉 (Christopher Swetala) 为研究提供了帮助。
Our digital editor, Whitney Dangerfield.
我们的数字编辑惠特尼·丹泽菲尔德 (Whitney Dangerfield)。
Original music today from Marcus Thorne Begala.
今天的原创音乐来自 Marcus Thorne Begala。
Our fixers, Ammar Saker, Sofia Papadopoulou, Pavlos Zafiropoulos.
我们的修复者，Ammar Saker、Sofia Papadopoulou、Pavlos Zafiropoulos。
Our interpreters, Baraa Ktiri, Manaf Abdul Ghani, and Roula Nasrallah.
我们的口译员 Baraa Ktiri、Manaf Abdul Ghani 和 Roula Nasrallah。
Additional translation, Bachar Alhalabi, Margaret Metzger, Gulie Khalaf from Yezidis International, Shafi Sharifi and Arash Afghahi.
额外翻译：来自 Yezidis International 的 Bachar Alhalabi、Margaret Metzger、Gulie Khalaf、Shafi Sharifi 和 Arash Afghahi。
Our website where you can go to our interactive tour of five refugee camps, thisamericanlife.org.
您可以在我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org 上访问五个难民营的互动之旅。
This American Life is delivered to Public Radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's cofounder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, we only met because he saw me across the room at the public radio convention, walked up and said,
你知道，我们见面只是因为他在公共广播大会上看到我穿过房间，走上前说，
Wow, you look beautiful.
哇，你看起来很漂亮。
Can I speak to you?
我可以和你说话吗？
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。