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Prologue Ira Glass When you visit a refugee camp full of Muslims, you don't expect to get into a lot of conversations about pigs, but that's what happened to me.

序言 Ira Glass 当你参观一个充满穆斯林的难民营时，你不会想到会进行很多关于猪的谈话，但这就是发生在我身上的事情。

This is about a month ago.

这是大约一个月前的事了。

I'd barely been in the refugee camp a few hours before people started telling me stories.

我刚到难民营几个小时，人们就开始给我讲故事。

We've seen the pig with our own eyes.

我们亲眼见过猪。

We've seen the boar.

我们已经看到那头野猪了。

We've taken pictures of videos of it, videos of it.

我们拍摄了它的照片、视频、视频。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter We've taken a selfie with it.

[阿拉伯语] 翻译 我们用它拍了一张自拍照。

Yeah.

是的。

Bassam and Farhad are 19.

巴萨姆和法哈德 19 岁。

That's an interpreter, by the way, speaking English.

顺便说一下，那是一位口译员，说的是英语。

This is a refugee camp in Greece called Ritsona, about an hour from Athens.

这是希腊的一个难民营，名叫Ritsona，距离雅典大约一小时车程。

It was thrown together in March by the government on an old air force base.

政府于三月份在一个旧空军基地建造了它。

Very quickly, they set up tents for 700 people, brought in a few dozen port-a-potties, designated an old helicopter pad as the soccer field.

很快，他们就搭起了可容纳 700 人的帐篷，搬来了几十个便盆，并指定一个旧直升机停机坪作为足球场。

But it's the middle of the woods, so snakes get in the tents, and at night, wild boars do roam around.

但这里位于树林中央，因此蛇会进入帐篷，而到了晚上，野猪也会四处游荡。

Everybody's attitude about the boars was like, seriously?

每个人对野猪的态度都是这样的，认真的吗？

We escaped a war, risked dying on these tiny boats, and now we come here and this?

我们逃离了一场战争，冒着死在这些小船上的危险，现在我们来到这里，然后这个？

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter It is a huge boar.

[阿拉伯语] 翻译 这是一头巨大的野猪。

It's basically as big as we are.

基本上和我们一样大。

It's this big.

就这么大了。

OK, so this is a video.

好的，这是一个视频。

Oh look.

哦，看。

There it is.

就在那里。

Yes.

是的。

Ira Glass The boars especially hang out near the toilets, and they are really big and frightening.

Ira Glass 野猪特别喜欢在厕所附近出没，它们又大又可怕。

And some people just hold it in all night rather than go.

有些人只是坚持了一整夜而不去。

Other people, they're taking action.

其他人，他们正在采取行动。

Over there.

在那边。

You see?

你看？

This is a handmade trap.

这是一个手工制作的陷阱。

Mimi Karmiri was the field coordinator running the camp, and she walked me out in the woods with one of the refugees, Abu Khair, to show me the trap that he'd built to catch the boars.

米米·卡米里 (Mimi Karmiri) 是营地的现场协调员，她带着我和一名难民阿布·凯尔 (Abu Khair) 一起走出树林，向我展示他为捕捉野猪而搭建的陷阱。

It wasn't what I pictured.

这不是我想象的那样。

And what is it, a dumpster?

那它是什么，垃圾箱？

Yes, it's a dumpster.

是的，这是一个垃圾箱。

And so he has put a piece of meat inside in order to attract the animals.

所以他在里面放了一块肉来吸引动物。

The dumpster's turned on its side, and the lid was propped open with a log so a boar could just walk right in.

垃圾箱翻了过来，盖子用一根木头撑开，这样野猪就可以直接走进去。

Abu Khair grabs the lid.

阿布·凯尔抓住盖子。

Abu Khair If animals catch food, this closes.

Abu Khair 如果动物捕捉到食物，则关闭。

So basically the lid closes, and then the log comes down and holds it shut.

所以基本上，盖子会关闭，然后原木落下并将其关闭。

Ira Glass He claps his hands.

艾拉·格拉斯 他拍了拍手。

I didn't say anything, but it did not seem at all clear that that lid was going to stay on with an angry, 200 pound pig inside.

我什么也没说，但似乎根本不清楚那个盖子是否会一直盖着，里面住着一头愤怒的、200磅重的猪。

Before I got to Greece, I knew that there were lots of refugees there, fleeing violence from Syria, and Iraq, and Afghanistan, just like everybody had seen those photos last year of people landing in Greece by boat on their way to Germany and other European countries.

在我到达希腊之前，我就知道那里有很多难民，他们逃离叙利亚、伊拉克和阿富汗的暴力，就像去年大家看到的那些照片，人们乘船登陆希腊，前往德国和其他欧洲国家。

Then this year, in March, one of the European nations said basically, "We're not taking you.

然后今年三月，一个欧洲国家基本上说：“我们不会带走你。

You have to stay in Greece," to all these refugees.

你们必须留在希腊”，对所有这些难民说。

Suddenly, the poorest country in Western Europe had to figure out how to house, and feed, and care for all these people, about 57,000 of them, stuck.

突然之间，西欧最贫穷的国家必须弄清楚如何为所有这些人提供住房、食物和照顾，其中大约有 57,000 人陷入困境。

And Greece was really not prepared.

而希腊确实没有做好准备。

Its government was limping along after six years of austerity measures, which means, if you haven't been following this, there have been several waves of cutbacks in government services.

经过六年的紧缩措施，该国政府步履蹒跚，这意味着，如果你没有关注这一点，政府服务已经出现了几波削减。

A fourth of the country is out of work.

该国四分之一的人失业。

The government quickly ad hocced its way into housing for tens of thousands of people.

政府迅速为数万人提供了住房。

And as a result, you have this camp in the woods with wild boars.

结果，树林里就有了野猪的营地。

And 130 miles away on the coast, some Syrian refugees were living in an abandoned beach resort on the Ionian Sea.

在 130 英里外的海岸上，一些叙利亚难民住在爱奥尼亚海的一个废弃的海滩度假村里。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Kids play in the sand, and modestly dressed women in long sleeves, and long pants, and headscarves walk straight into the surf.

[阿拉伯语]孩子们在沙滩上玩耍，衣着朴素、穿着长袖、长裤和头巾的妇女直接走进海浪中。

Elsewhere around the country, if you want to come with me right now on a quick tour, around 1,300 Iraqis are housed in the grounds of a former psychiatric hospital near Mount Olympus.

在全国其他地方，如果您现在想跟我快速浏览一下，大约 1,300 名伊拉克人被安置在奥林匹斯山附近一家​​前精神病院的院内。

Down in Athens, 2,000 people are in two stadiums, baseball and field hockey, left over from the 2004 Olympic games.

在雅典，2004 年奥运会遗留下来的棒球和曲棍球两个体育场内有 2,000 名观众。

Somebody has spray painted a sign outside that says, in English, with arrows, "hockey, baseball, refugees." Next door to the stadiums, 1,000 people are living in an old international airport that closed back in 2001.

有人在外面喷了一个标牌，上面用英文和箭头写着“曲棍球、棒球、难民”。体育场旁边有一座旧国际机场，该机场于 2001 年关闭，目前居住着 1,000 人。

There are departure boards, listing flights to Paris and Berlin with specific times and gates, from when it was still a functioning airport.

这里有出发板，列出了飞往巴黎和柏林的航班，以及特定的时间和登机口，从那时起它还是一个正常运作的机场。

Right nearby, the people sleeping in tents weren't going anywhere.

就在附近，睡在帐篷里的人们哪儿也去不了。

Meanwhile, up north, near the Macedonian border, my colleague, This American Life producer Sean Cole, visited a highway rest stop that is pretty much exactly like any rest stop you would find on, like, the New Jersey turnpike or I-80 driving to Chicago.

与此同时，在北部靠近马其顿边境的地方，我的同事、《美国生活》制片人肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole) 参观了一个高速公路休息站，它与您在新泽西州收费公路或前往芝加哥的 80 号州际公路上看到的任何休息站几乎一模一样。

Inside, there's a convenience store with Pringles, and Oreos, and sodas.

里面有一家便利店，出售品客薯片、奥利奥和苏打水。

And then outside, where the gas pumps are, were pop tents with 2,000 people living in them, music playing.

外面，也就是加油站的地方，是流行帐篷，里面住着 2000 人，里面还播放着音乐。

People sat around the gas pumps, chatting and smoking right there, which probably not the best idea.

人们坐在加油站周围，聊天，抽烟，这可能不是最好的主意。

An eight-year-old boy walked up to Sean and his interpreter Manaf with a request.

一个八岁的男孩走到肖恩和他的翻译马纳夫面前提出请求。

Yes, I would like to take your passport.

是的，我想拿走你的护照。

So you would pose as me?

所以你会冒充我吗？

[SPEAKING ARABIC]

[说阿拉伯语]

I think they would still be able to tell the difference.

我认为他们仍然能够分辨出差异。

I could maybe draw one.

我也许可以画一张。

[SPEAKING ARABIC]

[说阿拉伯语]

It's not beautiful.

这并不美丽。

Ira Glass This gas station camp, by the way, was not an official refugee camp set up by the state.

顺便说一句，艾拉·格拉斯这个加油站营地并不是国家设立的官方难民营。

In fact, just a few days after Sean was there, the government relocated everybody to authorized camps.

事实上，就在肖恩到达那里几天后，政府将所有人转移到了授权的营地。

To give you a sense of just how seat-of-the-pants the Greek response to the refugee crisis has been, I talked to this guy who managed a camp of about 2,000 refugees when he was there.

为了让您了解希腊对难民危机的反应有多么凭感觉，我采访了一位在希腊管理着大约 2,000 名难民的难民营的人。

His name is Sakis Papithemilis.

他的名字叫萨基斯·帕皮泰米利斯。

He's a civil servant.

他是一名公务员。

He chooses his words thoughtfully.

他深思熟虑地选择了自己的措辞。

And who, by the way, has his own salary cut in half over the last four years.

顺便说一句，他自己的薪水在过去四年里减半了。

NPR'S reporter in Greece, Joanna Kakissis, introduced me to him.

NPR 驻希腊记者乔安娜·卡基西斯 (Joanna Kakissis) 将我介绍给了他。

She guided, actually, a lot of the reporting that we did around Greece.

事实上，她指导了我们围绕希腊所做的许多报道。

Sakis told Joanna and me that even trying to do something straightforward in the camp that he managed, like, for example, arrange for trash pickup, he would run into an incredibly basic problem.

萨基斯告诉乔安娜和我，即使试图在他管理的营地中做一些简单的事情，例如安排垃圾收集，他也会遇到一个非常基本的问题。

With the trash, for example, I couldn't organize the trash being picked up, because legally the camp didn't exist.

例如，对于垃圾，我无法组织垃圾收集，因为从法律上讲，营地并不存在。

The camp just wasn't there on paper.

营地根本不存在于纸面上。

Got that?

明白了吗？

The camps were created so quickly that nobody made them into any kind of legal entity.

难民营创建得如此之快，以至于没有人将它们变成任何形式的法律实体。

They weren't a business.

他们不是一家企业。

They weren't a government agency.

他们不是政府机构。

So they didn't have the power to actually sign any kind of contract with anyone to do anything.

因此，他们无权与任何人实际签署任何类型的合同来做任何事情。

[SPEAKING GREEK] Joanna Kakissis And everything had to be done with a handshake.

[说希腊语] Joanna Kakissis 一切都必须通过握手来完成。

OK, you want to help me?

好吧，你想帮我吗？

Come over here and help me.

过来帮帮我吧。

He's saying the municipalities helped a lot.

他说市政当局提供了很多帮助。

He said that in the end, the city of Thessaloniki agreed to pick up his trash.

他说，最终，塞萨洛尼基市同意收走他的垃圾。

And they paid for it too, just 'cause he needed the help.

他们也付了钱，只是因为他需要帮助。

And then he had to work around this same exact frustrating problem to get anything done.

然后他必须解决这个同样令人沮丧的问题才能完成任何事情。

To get food brought in, to install proper sewage, to install proper showers and toilets, just anything, he couldn't make a legal agreement.

为了把食物运进来，为了安装适当的污水处理系统，为了安装适当的淋浴和厕所，任何事情，他都无法达成法律协议。

He had to go off the books.

他不得不离开书本。

Four of us from our staff traveled to Greece.

我们的员工中有四人前往希腊。

We were joined by Joanna, who's been reporting on this and breaking stories on the refugee crisis for two years now.

乔安娜也加入了我们的行列，她两年来一直在报道此事并报道难民危机的新闻。

We were interested in how the Greek government was dealing with the refugees, but honestly, we also wanted to know what it was like for all these people who, you know, they thought they were heading somewhere else in Europe, and now they were stuck in these camps, in this weird kind of limbo, where they're just waiting for some country to let them in, and they can restart their lives.

我们对希腊政府如何处理难民很感兴趣，但老实说，我们也想知道所有这些人的情况如何，你知道，他们以为自己要去欧洲其他地方，但现在他们被困在这些难民营中，处于这种奇怪的困境中，他们只是在等待某个国家让他们进入，然后他们可以重新开始他们的生活。

It's just a strange place to find yourself.

这只是一个发现自己的奇怪地方。

Outside the old international airport, by a hot dog stand just across the highway from the beach, which is there also, Marzia and her husband Jamal and their three kids are living in a little tent.

在旧国际机场外，在海滩高速公路对面的热狗摊旁，马尔齐亚和她的丈夫贾马尔以及他们的三个孩子住在一个小帐篷里。

It's really hot, and every day, a fancy green convertible Saab parks outside their tent.

天气真的很热，每天都有一辆豪华的绿色敞篷萨博停在他们的帐篷外。

And every day, Marzia goes and sits in the shade of that car to cool herself off.

每天，玛齐亚都会坐在车的阴凉处纳凉。

She's saying, sometimes its get so crazy.

她说，有时候事情变得如此疯狂。

I'm tired of the sun, of this place, everything.

我厌倦了阳光，厌倦了这个地方，厌倦了一切。

And she says the hotter it gets, the more she loses it.

她说天气越热，她就越失去它。

Which means--

这意味着——

Pretty much every day she loses it.

她几乎每天都会失去它。

She and her husband Jamal talk to another This American Life producer, Miki Meek.

她和她的丈夫贾马尔与《美国生活》的另一位制片人米基·米克进行了交谈。

They're ethnic Hazaras, who are discriminated against in Afghanistan, where they're from, and also targeted by the Taliban.

他们是哈扎拉人，在他们的祖国阿富汗受到歧视，也成为塔利班的攻击目标。

So they moved to Iran for a while, where they have no rights at all.

所以他们搬到伊朗一段时间，在那里他们没有任何权利。

Couldn't even put their kids in school.

甚至无法让他们的孩子上学。

And then they ended up here five months ago, where Jamal is getting used to his wife basically freaking out every single day, and telling him they need to give up and go back.

然后他们五个月前来到这里，贾马尔已经习惯了他的妻子基本上每天都在惊慌失措，并告诉他他们需要放弃并回去。

Today, my wife was just crying that I had it.

今天，我妻子哭着说我得了。

You gotta make a decision-- either we go back, or we move forward.

你必须做出决定——要么我们回去，要么我们继续前进。

And I explained to her, look, my dear.

我向她解释说，看，亲爱的。

We can't go back, because there's nothing to go back to.

我们无法回去，因为没有什么可回去的。

And moving forward is no longer in my hands.

前进不再由我掌控。

The border is closed.

边境已关闭。

So then I said, darling, let's go to the beach.

然后我说，亲爱的，我们去海滩吧。

And perhaps that will help you, like, just calm down for a moment.

也许这会帮助你，比如，冷静一下。

And it did.

确实如此。

Are you worried about move might stop working eventually?

您是否担心搬家最终可能会停止工作？

Let's go to the beach?"

我们去海滩吧？”

Yeah, I'm thinking about it.

是的，我正在考虑。

You know, this is another worry for me.

你知道，这是我的另一个担忧。

So if this doesn't work, I'll find another way to please her and make her happy.

所以如果这样不行的话，我就会想别的办法来取悦她，让她开心。

From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life .

来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today on our program, we have stories of people on the run who get stuck in this place they do not want to be, what that's like.

今天在我们的节目中，我们讲述了一些逃亡者的故事，他们被困在他们不想去的地方，那是什么样的。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

Act 1, Field of Interrupted Dreams.

第一幕，梦境中断之地。

So one good place to see how the Greeks' ad hoc response is working is at the baseball stadium in Athens.

因此，观看希腊人的临时应对措施如何发挥作用的一个好地方是雅典的棒球场。

About a fourth of the refugees in Greece are from Afghanistan, and about 1,000 of them were brought into this abandoned stadium that was left over from the Olympics.

希腊约有四分之一的难民来自阿富汗，其中约1000人被带进这座奥运会遗留下来的废弃体育场。

The infield was all dirt.

内场全是泥土。

One of our producers, Miki, went there.

我们的制作人之一 Miki 去了那里。

Here's how you turn a baseball stadium into a refugee camp.

以下是如何将棒球场变成难民营的方法。

Out in the door of the infield and the outfield you set up 150 white tents.

在内场和外场门口搭建了150个白色帐篷。

They're standard issue from the UN.

它们是联合国的标准问题。

At the concession stand, give out rations.

在小卖部分发口粮。

Right behind home plate, there's a press box.

在本垒板后面，有一个记者席。

Make that the office.

把它当作办公室。

For bathrooms, use the locker rooms behind the dugouts.

对于浴室，请使用防空洞后面的更衣室。

There's one for men and one for women.

有一款适合男士，一款适合女士。

The women's is way cleaner.

女装就干净多了。

The women are very organized.

妇女们很有组织性。

They have a list.

他们有一个清单。

They clean the bathrooms twice a day.

他们每天打扫浴室两次。

The women?

女人呢？

Anna Agriteli Men are not better organized.

安娜·阿格里特利 (Anna Agriteli) 男人的组织能力并不好。

We have to drag them to clean their bathroom.

我们必须拖着他们去打扫浴室。

One of the camps managers, Anna Agriteli, is giving me a tour.

营地经理之一安娜·阿格里特利 (Anna Agriteli) 正在带我参观。

She has big brown hair pulled into a ponytail.

她有一头棕色的大头发，扎成马尾辫。

She's Greek.

她是希腊人。

So we're just walking into the locker room.

所以我们只是走进更衣室。

And the floors are a little flooded, so we're just walking through a pool water.

地板有点被水淹了，所以我们只是在池水中行走。

All the lockers and benches have been ripped out.

所有的储物柜和长凳都被拆掉了。

And over in the showers, women are squatting with buckets full of water and clothing.

在淋浴间，女人们蹲着，提着装满水和衣服的水桶。

11 showers.

11 阵雨。

Anna Agriteli Now they're washing their clothes.

安娜·阿格里特利 现在他们正在洗衣服。

Laundry, they're doing laundry now.

洗衣店，他们现在正在洗衣服。

So does this just get flooded just from the people doing their laundry?

那么，这只是因为人们洗衣服而被淹没吗？

Their laundry, yes.

他们的衣服，是的。

Miki Meek OK.

米基·米克 好的。

I counted 12 toilets.

我数了一下，有12个厕所。

Only six were working.

只有六人在工作。

This was for 300 women and about 200 girls.

这是针对 300 名女性和大约 200 名女孩的。

Did you ever go to a baseball game during the Olympics?

你在奥运会期间看过棒球比赛吗？

No. We are not big fans of baseball in Greece.

不。我们不是希腊棒球的忠实粉丝。

We don't even know baseball.

我们连棒球都不懂。

Most of the refugees stay out of their tents during the day, because they're too hot.

大多数难民白天都呆在帐篷外，因为太热了。

They're totally exposed on the field, no shade.

他们完全暴露在球场上，没有阴影。

Temperatures right now reach into the 90s.

现在气温已达到 90 多度。

So lots of people hang out in the upper levels of the stadium seats, because they're partially covered by an overhanging roof.

所以很多人都在体育场的上层座位上闲逛，因为它们的一部分被悬垂的屋顶覆盖。

They also crowd around any electrical outlet they can find to charge phones or plug in electric tea pots.

他们还会聚集在任何能找到的电源插座周围为手机充电或插入电热水壶。

The Olympics were held here.

奥运会曾在这里举行。

I keep thinking that.

我一直这么想。

Anna is in charge of everything in the stadium, everything-- a woman who didn't get shampoo when they handed it out, the broken toilets.

安娜负责体育场里的一切，一切——一个在分发洗发水时没有得到洗发水的女人，还有破烂的厕所。

The day I was there, they didn't have enough drinking water and baby formula to get through the coming week.

我在那里的那天，他们没有足够的饮用水和婴儿配方奶粉来度过接下来的一周。

She takes me over to homebase, where they built a prototype cover for the tents, these giant pieces of green sheer fabric stretched over a tent to try and cool it down in the sun.

她带我去了大本营，在那里他们为帐篷搭建了一个原型罩，这些巨大的绿色透明织物覆盖在帐篷上，试图在阳光下给帐篷降温。

This is sample.

这是样本。

See if it works.

看看是否有效。

But we don't like it, and we're going to change it.

但我们不喜欢它，我们要改变它。

So is it not working well?

那么是不是效果不好呢？

Or what would you guys want?

或者你们想要什么？

No, it's very, very bad.

不，这非常非常糟糕。

And if you put 150 of those, then I'm not going to see the people.

如果你放了 150 个，那么我就不会去见那些人了。

She needs to see the people, in case there's a fire or some other disturbance.

她需要见见人们，以防发生火灾或其他骚乱。

It's happened.

它发生了。

This is Anna's third month on the job.

这是安娜工作的第三个月。

Before this, she worked as a production assistant at a theater company.

在此之前，她在一家剧院担任制作助理。

Is there anything that you learned in that job that's useful in this job?

您在那份工作中学到的东西对这份工作有用吗？

No. But maybe the production, the crazy hours that you work in the production, that's the same, and that you have to devise a solution for every crazy thing.

不。但也许制作，你在制作中疯狂的工作时间，都是一样的，你必须为每一件疯狂的事情设计一个解决方案。

Situations that come up, you have to, like, work on the fly.

出现情况时，你必须即时工作。

Anna, old are you?

安娜，你老了吗？

30.

30.

Miki Meek She's actually older than a lot of her coworkers.

Miki Meek 她实际上比她的很多同事都年长。

It's mostly women working at the camp.

在营地工作的大部分是女性。

Anna's boss is 25.

安娜的老板25岁。

25 years old and overseeing the biggest camp in Athens, working out of a concession stand that probably sold hot dogs.

25 岁，负责监管雅典最大的营地，在一个可能卖热狗的小摊上工作。

So why is it that it's mostly very young women that are working in here and managing this camp?

那么为什么在这里工作和管理这个营地的大部分都是非常年轻的女性呢？

Because this job is very hard, and only women can do it.

因为这项工作非常辛苦，只有女性才能胜任。

Is that your official or unofficial answer?

这是你的官方还是非正式的答案？

No, no. It's the unofficial answer.

不，不。这是非官方的答案。

You need to have a lot of power, a lot of hours.

你需要有强大的力量、大量的时间。

You have to be tireless.

你必须不知疲倦。

Anna Agriteli Yes.

安娜·阿格里特利 是的。

At several of these camps we went to around Greece, the young women running them began as volunteers when the crisis started.

在我们去过希腊各地的几个营地中，管理这些营地的年轻女性在危机开始时就开始担任志愿者。

Then they took charge.

然后他们就接管了。

They worked long hours.

他们工作时间很长。

They don't really take days off.

他们真的没有休息几天。

And they set a tone at the camps.

他们为难民营定下了基调。

The government doesn't want the camps to feel like prisons.

政府不希望难民营感觉像监狱。

People can come and go.

人们可以来来去去。

And having these young women in charge helps with that.

让这些年轻女性负责这一点会有所帮助。

They don't act like guards or bosses.

他们的行为不像警卫或老板。

They're just bad asses and sweethearts.

他们只是坏蛋和甜心。

Anna and the other woman who runs this stadium are constantly making these little jokes and laughing with everyone.

安娜和经营这个体育场的另一位女士经常开这些小笑话，和大家一起开怀大笑。

Every few steps on our tour, Anna got stopped.

在我们的旅行中，每隔几步，安娜就会被拦住。

Do you get hugs a lot?

你经常得到拥抱吗？

Anna Agriteli Yes.

安娜·阿格里特利 是的。

How many times a day or do you think you get hugged?

您认为自己一天被拥抱多少次？

Too many, too many, too many.

太多了，太多了，太多了。

Miki Meek Well, I guess there's worse things people can do than hug you, right?

米基·米克 好吧，我想人们能做的事情比拥抱你更糟糕，对吧？

Yes, yes.

是的，是的。

They could throw rocks at me.

他们可以向我扔石头。

No, they're all very polite.

不，他们都很有礼貌。

And men, they're very polite and very protective.

而男人，他们很有礼貌，也很有保护欲。

Like, when she walks to the bus stop on the highway late at night, five or six men always walk out with her to make sure she's safe.

比如，当她深夜走到高速公路上的公交车站时，总会有五六个男人陪着她走出来，以确保她的安全。

They won't leave until they see her board the bus.

在看到她登上公共汽车之前他们不会离开。

OK, you wait here outside.

好的，你在外面等着。

Miki Meek In the span of 15 minutes, I watched Anna comfort a woman who came to her to say that she was feeling suicidal.

米基·米克 在 15 分钟的时间里，我看到安娜安慰一位来找她说她有自杀倾向的女士。

Her husband was ignoring her.

她的丈夫不理她。

Anna then went to find help for a guy who kept fainting.

安娜随后去寻找一个一直昏倒的人的帮助。

My friend, wait here.

我的朋友，在这里等一下。

Don't go without seeing the doctor.

不要在没有看医生的情况下就去。

Come after to the office.

来办公室吧。

Tell me what happened.

告诉我发生了什么事。

Moments later, a boy ran up to her to say that he was hungry, that he didn't get lunch.

过了一会儿，一个男孩跑到她面前说他饿了，没有吃午饭。

No, no. You got food.

不，不。你有食物了。

Boy No, I didn't, madame, no!

男孩 不，我没有，女士，不！

But I saw you.

但我看到了你。

But I saw you.

但我看到了你。

Miki Meek She'd seen him grab food from the kitchen earlier in the day, she told me.

米基·米克 (Miki Meek) 告诉我，她当天早些时候看到他从厨房拿食物。

Because she can't speak Dari, Anna mostly communicates through a combination of broken English, hand gestures, and [MEOWING] animal noises.

由于安娜不会说达里语，她主要通过蹩脚的英语、手势和[喵喵]动物叫声进行交流。

That's Anna making cat sounds.

这是安娜发出的猫叫声。

[OINKING] That's the pig, her favorite.

[OINKING] 那是猪，她最喜欢的。

I watched Anna oink her way down crowded hallways, oinking as she hands out juice boxes to kids.

我看着安娜在拥挤的走廊里哼着小曲，一边向孩子们分发果汁盒，一边哼着小曲。

Here, my friend!

在这里，我的朋友！

Miki Meek Oinking the middle of conversations with adults.

米基·米克（Miki Meek）在与成年人的谈话中发出声音。

I don't know why I do it.

我不知道我为什么这么做。

It's like a tick.

就像蜱虫一样。

She says it's like a tick.

她说这就像蜱虫一样。

Given Anna's personality, the hardest part of her job might be obvious.

鉴于安娜的个性，她工作中最困难的部分可能是显而易见的。

It's saying "no."

它在说“不”。

Like every two, three days, I'll have a breakdown because the nos that I say, they are a lot.

就像每隔两三天，我就会崩溃，因为我说的“不”太多了。

You say a lot of nos.

你说了很多不。

Anna Agriteli Yes, when I say to somebody "no," I feel very bad.

安娜·阿格里特利 是的，当我对某人说“不”时，我感觉非常糟糕。

Because in my personal life, I never used to say no.

因为在我的个人生活中，我从来没有说过不。

You did?

你做到了吗？

I'm not so good at saying no either.

我也不太擅长拒绝。

Come and work here.

来这里工作吧。

You'll get used to it in a month.

一个月后你就会习惯的。

Yes, shoes are the most asked for thing here.

是的，鞋子是这里最受欢迎的东西。

"I want shoes now."

“我现在想要鞋子。”

And what do you say?

你说什么？

Anna Agriteli "You have to wait."

安娜·阿格里特里“你必须等待。”

She says they've already given out sneakers twice in the past three months to everyone.

她说，在过去的三个月里，他们已经两次向每个人发放了运动鞋。

But every day, she says, she gets this request over and over, mostly from young men.

但她说，她每天都会一遍又一遍地收到这样的请求，其中大部分来自年轻男性。

As if on cue, two guys, most likely in their 20s, show up.

就好像在暗示一样，两个很可能二十多岁的男人出现了。

Miki Meek Anna tells them no. And I guess she's had so much practice with this one, as you heard, she doesn't even hesitate.

米基·米克·安娜告诉他们不。我想她已经对此进行了很多练习，正如你所听到的，她甚至不会犹豫。

Anna moves on, but it's a puzzle to her.

安娜继续前进，但这对她来说是一个谜。

Why the constant need for more shoes?

为什么不断需要更多鞋子？

Later, I'm wandering around the tents in the ball field with my interpreter, and we're talking to a guy who lives near third base.

后来，我和翻译一起在球场的帐篷里闲逛，我们正在和一个住在三垒附近的人交谈。

And we accidentally discover the answer.

我们无意中发现了答案。

His name's Habib.

他的名字叫哈比卜。

He's 45.

他45岁了。

He's Afghan, like most everyone in the stadium.

他是阿富汗人，就像体育场里的大多数人一样。

He tells me back home in Kabul, he was a shoemaker.

他告诉我，在喀布尔的家乡，他是一名鞋匠。

So I have to ask.

所以我不得不问。

So I was talking to the camp manager, and she said the number one thing people ask for here is shoes.

所以我和营地经理交谈，她说人们在这里要求的第一件事就是鞋子。

Why?

为什么？

[SPEAKING DARI] Interpreter I can tell you the reason why-- Afghans.

[说达里语] 翻译我可以告诉你原因——阿富汗人。

There are two reasons, actually.

实际上有两个原因。

One is, they don't wear shoes in their tents, and sneakers are a pain to take on and off if you have to fuss with the laces.

一是，他们在帐篷里不穿鞋，而且如果你必须对鞋带大惊小怪，穿脱运动鞋会很痛苦。

So they smash in the backs of the shoes and wear them like slippers.

所以他们把鞋后部打碎，像拖鞋一样穿。

The second reason is, and here Habib started making a kicking motion with his feet.

第二个原因是，此时哈比卜开始用脚做出踢的动作。

The reason is because Afghans love to play soccer.

原因是阿富汗人喜欢踢足球。

The younger guys destroyed their shoes so fast because they are always playing soccer at a field nearby.

年轻人很快就把鞋子毁坏了，因为他们总是在附近的球场踢足球。

That's it.

就是这样。

Not much of a mystery after all.

毕竟没什么神秘的。

Habib says there's not much for people to do at the camp, and soccer helps them break up the boredom.

哈比卜说，人们在营地里没什么可做的，足球可以帮助他们打发无聊。

So it's like this-- you wake up in the morning.

所以就像这样——你早上醒来。

We look at each other.

我们互相看着对方。

There's nothing.

什么都没有。

Then we go and have breakfast.

然后我们去吃早餐。

Then we come back and sit and look at each other.

然后我们回来坐下来互相看着对方。

There's nothing else.

没有别的了。

We used to have some playing cards, and then somebody stole it.

我们曾经有一些扑克牌，然后有人偷了它。

So we try to listen to music on the cell phones.

所以我们尝试用手机听音乐。

And then we look at each other again.

然后我们再次看着对方。

And then it's afternoon.

然后就到了下午了。

Then we go and have some lunch.

然后我们去吃午饭。

And then we come back and sit here and then look at each other again.

然后我们回来坐在这里，然后再次看着对方。

And then we just fall asleep.

然后我们就睡着了。

We take a long nap until 6:00 PM.

我们小睡了很长时间，直到下午 6:00。

And then at 6:00 PM, we go and play some soccer.

然后下午 6:00，我们去踢足球。

And then we come back here, have dinner.

然后我们回到这里，吃晚饭。

And then we look at each other again, and then we fall asleep.

然后我们又互相看了一眼，然后就睡着了。

So you're pretty sick of looking at each other now.

所以你们现在已经厌倦了看着对方。

You know, the thing is, you have to understand.

你知道，问题是，你必须理解。

Today, you guys came here, and we talked.

今天，你们来到这里，我们聊了聊。

And I don't even-- the time, how it passed.

我什至不知道时间，如何过去。

But on normal days, regular days, one hour to us passes like one whole year of boredom.

但在平常的日子里，平常的日子里，一小时对我们来说就像一整年的无聊一样。

There's a pretty nice public beach that's only a 15 minute walk from the stadium.

有一个非常漂亮的公共海滩，距离体育场仅 15 分钟步行路程。

Habib says he takes his kids there a few times a week, but never on weekends.

哈比卜说，他每周带孩子去那里几次，但从来不在周末。

Not on Saturdays and Sundays, because it's the Greeks' holidays, and we want them to enjoy the beach themselves.

周六和周日不行，因为这是希腊人的假期，我们希望他们自己享受海滩。

He wanted them to have the beach to themselves?

他想让他们独占海滩？

Really?

真的吗？

I asked him if that was it, or was it that he just felt uncomfortable among the Greeks.

我问他是不是因为这个，还是他只是在希腊人中间感到不舒服。

Is there any part that you wouldn't go to the beach because maybe you would feel like you may not be wanted there?

有没有什么地方是你不会去海滩的，因为你可能会觉得那里不受欢迎？

They're very nice people.

他们是非常好的人。

I don't feel uncomfortable.

我不觉得不舒服。

But when it comes to the beach situation, it's like, OK, we heard that the Greeks had complained that there are a lot of Afghans coming to the beach, and it was getting too crowded for them.

但说到海滩的情况，就像，好吧，我们听说希腊人抱怨有很多阿富汗人来到海滩，而且海滩对他们来说太拥挤了。

So we came here.

所以我们来到了这里。

We talked with each other and we decided we don't want the Greeks to have a bad memory of us.

我们互相交谈后决定不希望希腊人对我们留下不好的记忆。

So we decided on Saturdays and Sundays, we want them to go and enjoy themselves.

所以我们决定在周六和周日，我们希望他们去玩得开心。

And we don't want them to feel like we're there to take their space.

我们也不希望他们觉得我们是在抢占他们的空间。

About 3,000 people live in this complex, which includes this stadium, a field hockey stadium next door, and an old airport out front.

该建筑群内居住着约 3,000 人，其中包括这座体育场、隔壁的曲棍球体育场和前面的旧机场。

And everyone I talked to knew this rule-- let the Greeks have the beach on the weekend.

和我交谈过的每个人都知道这条规则——让希腊人在周末享受海滩。

Most of the Afghans have very little sense of what's going on outside the camp.

大多数阿富汗人对营地外发生的事情知之甚少。

There's no Wi-Fi here.

这里没有无线网络。

They're barely getting news from outside.

他们几乎得不到外界的消息。

And I didn't meet anyone who spoke Greek.

我没有遇到任何说希腊语的人。

They're living in a bubble, a baseball field shaped bubble.

他们生活在一个泡沫中，一个棒球场形状的泡沫中。

So rumors go crazy.

于是谣言就疯了。

Most of them have to do with when, and how, or if they will get out of Greece.

其中大多数都与他们何时、如何离开希腊或是否离开希腊有关。

Here's a few of them-- Angela Merkel, the German chancellor is personally coming to the stadium to rescue them.

这是其中的一些人——德国总理安格拉·默克尔亲自来到体育场营救他们。

John Kerry is bringing a plane.

约翰·克里带来了一架飞机。

The Canadians are sending a ship.

加拿大人正在派遣一艘船。

And the most common-- Macedonia is going to reopen its borders again to Afghans.

最常见的是马其顿将再次向阿富汗人重新开放边界。

Literally, like, we would hear the border has reopened.

从字面上看，我们会听说边境已经重新开放。

We're throwing a party, started dancing, clapping, cheering, hugging each other, congratulating each other.

我们要举办一个派对，开始跳舞、鼓掌、欢呼、互相拥抱、互相祝贺。

And then some people have literally left overnight to go to the border.

然后有些人连夜离开前往边境。

And then in the morning we hear it was just a rumor.

然后早上我们听说这只是一个谣言。

When was the last time that there was a party because people believed the border was opening?

上一次因为人们相信边境正在开放而举行聚会是什么时候？

The biggest one was about a month ago, but also about two weeks ago.

最大的一次是大约一个月前，但也是大约两周前。

How long does it take for a rumor to spread through a camp, this camp?

谣言需要多长时间才能在一个营地、这个营地中传播开来？

You have to understand, people, they have nothing to do except going around talking to each other, so it spreads within minutes.

你必须明白，人们，他们除了到处互相交谈之外没有什么可做的，所以它会在几分钟内传播。

And believing in it, thinking that it might be right, actually makes you happy for a couple of days.

相信它，认为它可能是对的，实际上会让你快乐几天。

In this stadium full of Afghans, one big piece of misinformation is about Syrians and how they're treated in Greece.

在这个满是阿富汗人的体育场里，一大错误信息是关于叙利亚人以及他们在希腊受到的待遇。

In February, when the border closed to Afghans, Syrians were still being allowed through.

二月份，当边境对阿富汗人关闭时，叙利亚人仍然被允许通过。

Habib and his family watched Syrians cross over.

哈比卜和他的家人看着叙利亚人渡过河。

Violent fights broke out that day between the two groups, and have continued ever since.

当天，两派之间爆发了暴力斗殴，并一直持续至今。

It's one of the reasons why the Greek government segregates most of its camps by nationality.

这是希腊政府将大部分难民营按国籍隔离的原因之一。

So there are no Syrians in this stadium, which Habib explains this way.

所以这个体育场里没有叙利亚人，哈比卜是这样解释的。

Look, Syrians are getting to stay in very nice hotels.

瞧，叙利亚人越来越能住上非常好的酒店了。

Everybody cares about them, and they are issued visas right here, and then they get to fly out of Greece.

每个人都关心他们，他们在这里获得签证，然后他们就可以飞出希腊。

So if the border's closed, it doesn't matter to them.

因此，如果边境关闭，对他们来说并不重要。

They're not in this camp, and I don't think they're in any other camps.

他们不属于这个阵营，我也不认为他们属于任何其他阵营。

They're living in hotels.

他们住在旅馆里。

Last Friday, I was in a camp, and that camp was all Syrian, who are also stuck here.

上周五，我在一个营地，那个营地里全是叙利亚人，他们也被困在这里。

And I was wondering if you knew that these camps full of Syrians exist here in Greece.

我想知道你是否知道希腊有这些住满叙利亚人的难民营。

I've heard that there are Syrians here, but I haven't seen them here.

我听说这里有叙利亚人，但我没有在这里见过他们。

Do the majority of people here believe that Syrians are getting flown out on airplanes?

这里的大多数人是否相信叙利亚人正在乘飞机离开？

Everybody believes here, because it's not a rumor, actually.

大家都相信这里，因为这实际上不是谣言。

They do fly Syrians out of here.

他们确实将叙利亚人运出这里。

You have to understand the difference between them and us, the Syrians and Afghans, is that for them they have help.

你必须了解他们和我们、叙利亚人和阿富汗人之间的区别，就是他们可以得到帮助。

Habib isn't exactly right about everything, but he's correct that there's a pecking order among the refugees, and Syrians are at the very top.

哈比卜的观点并不完全正确，但他认为难民之间存在等级顺序，而叙利亚人处于最顶层，这一点他是正确的。

They get top priority on their asylum and relocation applications for the EU.

他们在欧盟的庇护和搬迁申请中获得最高优先权。

And then underneath the Syrians is pretty much everyone else-- Iraqis, Pakistanis, Iranians, and Afghans.

在叙利亚人的下面几乎是其他所有人——伊拉克人、巴基斯坦人、伊朗人和阿富汗人。

Miki Meek.

米基·米克.

Act 2, the parents, trapped.

第2幕，父母被困。

So what's it like being a parent in this situation?

那么，在这种情况下，作为父母感觉如何呢？

Kids are everywhere in the camps.

营地里到处都是孩子。

They're a third of the refugees.

他们占难民的三分之一。

You see them running around, improvising stuff to play with.

你会看到他们跑来跑去，即兴创作一些东西来玩。

You'll be standing there, and a four-year-old will march by, purposefully dragging a blanket on a string.

你会站在那里，一个四岁的孩子会走过，故意拖着一条用绳子拴着的毯子。

And you'll think, OK.

你会想，好吧。

The woman in charge of the Ritsona camp, the camp with the wild pigs, told me that it's the little kids who are doing better than anybody at the camps.

里索纳营地（野猪营地）的负责人告诉我，小孩子们比营地里的任何人都做得更好。

And on the surface, watching them run around, they do seem good, like these five and seven-year-old sisters.

而且从表面上看，她们跑来跑去，看上去确实不错，就像这对五岁和七岁的姐妹一样。

Doing what I can tell you from experience any little kids do around a microphone anywhere in the world.

根据我的经验，我可以告诉你世界上任何地方的小孩子在麦克风周围所做的事情。

One girl goofs on the mic saying, "bye, uncle" over and over.

一个女孩对着麦克风不停地说着“再见，叔叔”。

And her sister calls her crazy.

她姐姐说她疯了。

So they seem fine, right?

所以他们看起来很好，对吧？

But scratch the surface a little, and it's a different story.

但稍微触及表面，情况就不同了。

That five-year-old?

那个五岁的孩子？

Her mom tells me she's still so traumatized by the Syrian War and what she's been through that when her mom wants to go to the bathroom, the little girl insists on coming in with her.

她妈妈告诉我，叙利亚战争和她所经历的事情仍然让她深受创伤，当她妈妈想去洗手间时，小女孩坚持和她一起进去。

She's always by her side.

她总是在她身边。

Lots of kids are still recovering.

许多孩子仍在康复中。

A guy named Youness Aselom told me about his five-year-old.

一个名叫尤内斯·阿塞洛姆 (Youness Aselom) 的人向我讲述了他五岁孩子的故事。

Youness was a second year law student back in Syria, but in the camp he's famous for being the guy that when a snake gets into your tent, Youness can catch it.

尤尼斯是叙利亚法学院二年级学生，但在营地里，他因当蛇进入你的帐篷时，尤尼斯能抓住它而闻名。

If it's poisonous, he'll kill it.

如果有毒，他就会杀掉它。

He's getting maybe one a day.

他也许每天都会得到一个。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter I'll get, like, a stick, like a long stick.

[说阿拉伯语] 口译员 我会拿一根棍子，一根长棍子。

And I'll just start to play with the snake.

我将开始和蛇玩耍。

And I can show you a photo, but once I can get a stick right on top of the snake's head, I'll press down on it, so the snake's head is against the ground.

我可以给你看一张照片，但是一旦我能把一根棍子放在蛇的头上，我就会按下它，这样蛇的头就会贴在地面上。

And I'll just grab its head from behind.

我会从后面抓住它的头。

See, like in this picture right here?

看到了吗，就像这张照片一样？

Anyway, his daughters.

无论如何，他的女儿们。

Being in the camp, of course, is way better than living with constant bombs and shooting back in Syria.

当然，呆在难民营里比在叙利亚生活在不断的炸弹和枪击中要好得多。

A number of parents tell me that the kids are sleeping better, getting back to their old selves.

许多家长告诉我，孩子们睡得更好了，恢复了原来的状态。

They get to come and go as they please, which is too dangerous back home, to play with other kids.

他们可以随意来去，在家里与其他孩子一起玩太危险了。

But Youness says his daughters are not OK at all, and not happy.

但尤尼斯说他的女儿们一点都不好，也不快乐。

I have a daughter who has psychological problems.

我有一个有心理问题的女儿。

A rocket fell on our house, and my mom and my other daughter were killed.

一枚火箭落在我们的房子上，我的妈妈和我的另一个女儿被杀。

The house was destroyed.

房子被毁了。

His five-year-old, the one in the camp, was three at the time.

他五岁的孩子，也就是营地里的孩子，当时三岁。

And since then?

从那时起呢？

And she became afraid of the sounds of airplanes.

她开始害怕飞机的声音。

And now they have us in an air base.

现在他们把我们带到了一个空军基地。

And now when a military jet passes over us, you know what?

现在，当一架军用飞机从我们上空飞过时，你知道吗？

She starts to cry.

她开始哭泣。

Has she made friends?

她交到朋友了吗？

Youness Aselom [SPEAKING ARABIC]

Youness Aselom [阿拉伯语]

Interpreter No, she doesn't.

翻译：不，她不知道。

She doesn't have any friends.

她没有任何朋友。

I mean, she never leaves the tent.

我的意思是，她从来没有离开过帐篷。

And then this is a picture of my daughter, the one that died.

这是我死去的女儿的一张照片。

The photo is shocking-- a cute three-year-old girl lying in rubble, dust on her face and clothes.

这张照片令人震惊——一个可爱的三岁小女孩躺在废墟中，脸上和衣服上都是灰尘。

It's hard to know what to say.

很难知道该说什么。

So they're actually-- they're twins.

所以他们实际上是——他们是双胞胎。

The five-year-old, so this is her twin that died.

五岁的孩子，这是她死去的双胞胎。

She was three years old when she died.

她去世时年仅三岁。

Did she see this?

她看到这个了吗？

Youness Aselom [SPEAKING ARABIC]

Youness Aselom [阿拉伯语]

Interpreter Yeah, she was with them when it happened.

翻译 是的，事情发生时她就在他们身边。

And this is our home.

这就是我们的家。

I know this isn't the point of his story at all, but this happened a bunch of times in the camps.

我知道这根本不是他故事的重点，但这在集中营里发生过很多次。

Somebody would describe the most awful thing that could ever happen, and then they would pull out their cell phones.

有人会描述可能发生的最可怕的事情，然后他们会拿出手机。

Like, oh here's a picture.

就像，哦，这是一张照片。

Here's the bombed out apartment that used to be our house.

这是被炸毁的公寓，以前是我们的房子。

Here is an overloaded raft crossing from Turkey into Greece.

这是从土耳其进入希腊的超载木筏。

That's my kids in the orange life jackets.

这是我穿着橙色救生衣的孩子们。

I suppose if you visit war zones all the time, this is nothing new.

我想如果你经常访问战区，这并不是什么新鲜事。

And of course people use cell phones for this, to record the near annihilation of their families.

当然，人们使用手机来记录他们的家人几乎被毁灭的情况。

I would do it too.

我也会这样做。

But it was always jolting.

但总是很颠簸。

The interview that I did that gave me the best picture of what it's like to be a parent in the camps and the particular ways that it affected different members of a family to be here was an interview with a woman named Aziza Bashar.

我所做的采访让我最清楚地了解了在难民营中为人父母的感受，以及这里对家庭不同成员的影响的具体方式，这是对一位名叫阿齐扎·巴沙尔 (Aziza Bashar) 的妇女的采访。

She's well dressed, even here, with a stylish hijab, a red and navy plaid button down jacket, and a steamlined navy skirt.

即使在这里，她也穿着得体，戴着时尚的头巾、一件红色和海军蓝格子纽扣羽绒服，以及一条流线型海军蓝裙子。

It's like, what little she can control, she does.

就像，她能控制的一点点，她都会做到。

Her husband's also in the camp, though he waved me off when I tried to talk to him.

她的丈夫也在营地里，但当我试图与他交谈时，他挥手让我离开。

She's the one who makes the decisions for the family, who marched them out of a war zone, walking and actually sometimes running she said, to a town up north where things were safer.

她说，她是为这个家庭做出决定的人，她带领他们走出战区，步行，有时甚至跑步，到北部的一个小镇，那里的情况更安全。

And when things there became untenable, she moved them again to Kurdistan where they lived for a while.

当那里的情况变得难以维持时，她又把他们搬到了库尔德斯坦，在那里他们住了一段时间。

And finally they just decided to escape to Europe.

最后他们决定逃到欧洲。

They arrived in Greece by boat, thinking they were just passing through just here for a few days.

他们乘船抵达希腊，以为自己只是路过这里几天。

The child she worries about most of her kids is Mohammad, Hammed, they call him.

她最担心的孩子是穆罕默德，哈默德，他们这样称呼他。

He's nearly eight.

他快八岁了。

When the war began, they were near Aleppo.

战争开始时，他们正在阿勒颇附近。

Hammed was the child who reacted the worst to the bombing, and the snipers, and the shelling, which were constant for days sometimes.

哈米德是对轰炸、狙击手和炮击反应最严重的孩子，有时这些轰炸、狙击手和炮击会持续数天。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter But the longest we were under siege for was eight days.

[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 但是我们被围困的最长时间是八天。

Meaning that the fighting was going on day and night, nonstop.

这意味着战斗正在昼夜不停地进行。

Hammed was four.

哈默德四岁。

He was potty trained, but he started wetting the bed.

他接受过如厕训练，但他开始尿床。

And he hasn't stopped wetting the bed years later now.

几年后他仍然没有停止尿床。

His siblings all play together, but he's always off on the side.

他的兄弟姐妹都在一起玩耍，但他总是在一旁。

He doesn't interact.

他不互动。

When I took him to the doctor in Kurdistan, he told me he has developmental issues.

当我带他去库尔德斯坦看医生时，他告诉我他有发育问题。

They said your son is seven, but mentally he's four.

他们说你的儿子七岁，但精神上他四岁。

He's stalled mentally.

他的精神已经停滞了。

If you teach him anything, he doesn't remember it.

如果你教他任何东西，他都不会记得。

If you ask him anything, he takes a long time to respond.

如果你问他什么，他需要很长时间才能回答。

She says before the war, he was developing normally.

她说，战前，他发育正常。

And in fact, getting stuck developmentally like this is one way that some children respond to trauma.

事实上，像这样的发育停滞是一些孩子应对创伤的一种方式。

What's your name?

你叫什么名字？

Hammed.

哈默德。

Ira Glass Hammed?

艾拉·格拉斯锤击？

What do you think of life here at the camp?

你觉得营地的生活怎么样？

That's his mom prodding him.

那是他妈妈在催促他。

Aziza Bashar [SPEAKING ARABIC]

阿齐扎·巴沙尔 [阿拉伯语]

Ira Glass Like the other kids I met who were doing the worst, Hammed's big problem is fear.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 就像我遇到的其他表现最差的孩子一样，哈米德的大问题是恐惧。

At first when they got to the camp, it was the snakes and the wild animals that he feared the most.

刚到营地时，他最害怕的就是蛇和野兽。

But the family worked really hard on that, and now he's OK with the snakes.

但家人为此付出了很大的努力，现在他对蛇已经很满意了。

Next, it was the airplanes.

接下来是飞机。

And that became a family project.

这成为了一个家庭项目。

And now he's not so scared of the planes.

现在他不再那么害怕飞机了。

Though the one thing they haven't been able to fix is his dreams.

尽管他们无法解决的一件事是他的梦想。

He dreams of bombings and shellings.

他梦见爆炸和炮击。

So how in the world did you get this fearful child onto a little raft from Turkey to Greece?

那么，你到底是怎么把这个害怕的孩子带到从土耳其到希腊的小木筏上的呢？

He saw on TV before we left Kurdistan.

在我们离开库尔德斯坦之前他在电视上看到了。

He used to see the ocean in cartoons and say, "Mom, the water has sharks in it." And before we left, he saw in his dreams that a shark came up, the same as the cartoons, and he said, "It's gonna eat me.

他曾经在动画片中看到海洋，然后说：“妈妈，水里有鲨鱼。”在我们离开之前，他在梦中看到一条鲨鱼出现了，就像动画片里一样，他说：“它会吃掉我。

It's gonna eat me, and I'm gonna die."

它会吃掉我，我会死的。”

I told him it's just a story.

我告诉他这只是一个故事。

It's just cartoons.

这只是漫画。

Don't be afraid.

别害怕。

I told him this is something that's made up.

我告诉他这是编造出来的。

It's not real.

这不是真的。

I always encouraged him.

我一直鼓励他。

The ocean is really wonderful.

海洋真的很奇妙。

It won't take long.

不会花很长时间的。

Just two hours, and then you can go to school, and we're going to have a nice house.

只需两个小时，然后你就可以去学校了，我们将会有一个漂亮的房子。

But then the first boat that they got on in February was kind of a disaster, and it really affected Hammed.

但他们二月份登上的第一艘船却是一场灾难，这确实影响了哈米德。

It was supposed to be 35 people in a little rubber boat, but Aziza says that they packed on twice that many and didn't give out life vests.

一艘小橡皮艇本应载有 35 人，但阿齐扎说，他们的人数是这个数字的两倍，而且没有发放救生衣。

And people wanted to get off, and the smugglers pointed guns at them and said you have to go now.

人们想要下车，走私者用枪指着他们说你们现在必须走。

A few people told me stories like that.

有几个人给我讲过这样的故事。

They got a little ways out, and the boat started to deflate, and started to flip over, just capsized.

他们逃出了一段距离，船开始泄气，开始翻倒，就这么翻了。

And people screamed.

人们尖叫起来。

It was terrifying.

太可怕了。

No life vests, remember.

请记住，没有救生衣。

And Aziza's got a five-year-old, and a seven-year-old, and a nine-year-old with her.

阿齐扎有一个五岁的孩子、一个七岁的孩子和一个九岁的孩子。

And the boat turned back.

于是船又掉头回去了。

OK, so after that, how in the world do you get your six kids onto a second boat?

好吧，那么在那之后，你到底如何让你的六个孩子登上第二艘船呢？

That requires some A level parenting moves, and Aziza was the one who had to get her kids onboard, literally onboard in this case.

这需要一些A级的育儿举措，而阿齐扎就是那个必须让她的孩子们参与其中的人，在这种情况下，实际上是参与其中。

And mainly she painted a picture of the bright future they were going to have in Europe, and she pretended she knew that this new boat was going to be totally different.

她主要描绘了一幅他们在欧洲将拥有的光明未来的图景，她假装她知道这艘新船将会完全不同。

And they went again.

他们又去了。

Yeah, I was afraid more for my kids than for myself.

是的，我更担心我的孩子而不是我自己。

Before we got on the boat, my son told me, you're the one who is deciding about our lives, whether it's the beginning or the end.

在我们上船之前，我儿子告诉我，你是决定我们生活的人，无论是开始还是结束。

And those words really affected me.

这些话确实影响了我。

When they got on the boat, she told Hammed, the seven-year-old, to sleep in her arms.

当他们上船时，她让七岁的哈米德睡在她的怀里。

He was so terrified he conked out immediately, missed the whole trip.

他非常害怕，立刻就昏倒了，错过了整个旅程。

Of course, here in the camp, her husband's with her too.

当然，在营地里，她的丈夫也和她在一起。

And I asked, does he help with the children?

我又问，他帮忙带孩子吗？

She said, he wasn't any help with that back in Syria, and here, he's totally useless.

她说，他在叙利亚没有提供任何帮助，而在这里，他完全没用。

She tries to get him to handle things, but it's like he's the seventh child that she's taking care of.

她试图让他处理事情，但他就像她照顾的第七个孩子一样。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter It's had a toll on my mental health seeing my kids and their dad.

[阿拉伯语] 翻译 见到我的孩子和他们的父亲对我的心理健康造成了影响。

And we argue a lot about the kids more than anything else.

我们为孩子争论得最多。

I tell him, you're not helping.

我告诉他，你没有帮助。

You don't talk to the kids.

你不跟孩子们说话。

You don't engage them.

你不与他们交往。

I always feel like you're detached.

我总感觉你很疏离。

He says there's no point in talking to them.

他说和他们说话没有意义。

You talk to them, and what good has come of it?

你和他们交谈，有什么好处呢？

They also fight about money.

他们还因为钱而吵架。

He smokes, a pack or a pack and a half a day.

他抽烟，一天一包或者一包半天。

And since they went on the run from Syria, she started smoking too, to deal with the stress, though way less than him, and in secret, so the kids don't see.

自从他们从叙利亚逃亡后，她也开始抽烟，以应对压力，尽管比他少得多，而且是秘密的，所以孩子们看不到。

And this is one reason we fight.

这就是我们战斗的原因之一。

We're in a situation where we don't need these extra expenses.

我们现在的情况是不需要这些额外费用的。

They got on the boat to Greece with 1,000 euros, which was enough for a few weeks on the road.

他们带着1000欧元登上了前往希腊的船，这些钱足够在路上度过几个星期。

Aziza laughed and said, I think we spent 950 of it on cigarettes.

阿齐扎笑着说，我想我们花了950块钱买香烟。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Ira Glass That Arabic expression she just used?

[说阿拉伯语] Ira Glass 她刚才用的那个阿拉伯语表达？

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Ira Glass My interpreter said that in this context, the best translation for it would be [BLEEP] my life.

[阿拉伯语] Ira Glass 我的翻译说，在这种情况下，最好的翻译是[BLEEP]我的生活。

The other child that Aziza worries about the most is her 18-year-old, Ali.

阿齐扎最担心的另一个孩子是她 18 岁的阿里。

He's a great kid in lots of ways-- very sweet and encouraging with his little brother Hammed.

从很多方面来说，他都是一个很棒的孩子——与他的弟弟哈米德（Hammed）相处非常甜蜜且令人鼓舞。

Also he's incredibly skilled at building things for the family.

他还非常擅长为家人建造东西。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter This is all my son's work.

[说阿拉伯语] 口译员 这是我儿子的全部工作。

This is Aziza showing us around her sister-in-law's tent, it was nuts.

这是阿齐扎带我们参观她嫂子的帐篷，太疯狂了。

Every family was given a standard issue tent, and they built an outer courtyard with a fence, and there's an overhang so there's shade, and there's a table, and benches, and shelves made from wood that was scavenged from old shipping pallets.

每个家庭都得到了一个标准的帐篷，他们建造了一个带栅栏的外院，有一个悬挑所以有阴凉，还有一张桌子、长凳和用旧运输托盘上的木头制成的架子。

And then you go through a door, and there's a kind of mud room pantry with their food, and then another room with a bed for the kids, and shelves with neatly folded children's clothes, and a row of hooks for other clothes.

然后你穿过一扇门，那里有一个泥房储藏室，里面放着他们的食物，然后是另一个房间，里面有一张孩子们的床，架子上放着整齐折叠的孩子们的衣服，还有一排挂其他衣服的挂钩。

And it's all super cheerful.

这一切都超级令人愉快。

Everything's covered with brightly colored fabric.

一切都覆盖着色彩鲜艳的织物。

And then there's another entry, and it's the parents' bedroom with a full size bed and night table.

然后还有另一个入口，这是父母的卧室，配有一张全尺寸的床和床头柜。

My interpreter, Baraa, later described it the best.

我的翻译巴拉后来对此进行了最好的描述。

Oh, Baraa's 23.

哦，巴拉 23 岁了。

BARAA: And then everybody has tents.

巴拉：然后每个人都有帐篷。

Everybody's sleeping in tents.

大家都睡在帐篷里。

But since they're magical tents, from the outside, they look like a regular camping thing.

但由于它们是神奇的帐篷，从外面看，它们看起来就像一个普通的露营用具。

But when you go in, it's so many different rooms.

但当你进去的时候，里面有很多不同的房间。

There's a living room.

有一个客厅。

There's a kitchen.

有厨房。

So literally walking in, when they opened the door, I swear to God that's what it was like.

所以当他们打开门时，我真的走进去，我向上帝发誓，事情就是这样。

It was insane what they built.

他们建造的东西太疯狂了。

It's crazy.

太疯狂了。

Ali learned construction from his uncle, but then his aunt says the student became the master.

阿里从他的叔叔那里学习了建筑，但后来他的阿姨说这个学生成了大师。

He builds so he doesn't get bored in the camp.

他建造房子是为了让他在营地里不会感到无聊。

But being in the camp has spurred this very good kid into all kinds of behavior he never had before.

但在营地里的经历促使这个非常好的孩子做出了各种他以前从未有过的行为。

He started smoking, secretly at first, but now he doesn't bother to hide it, which bothers Aziza.

他开始抽烟，一开始是偷偷地抽烟，但现在他懒得隐瞒，这让阿齐扎很烦恼。

He talks back.

他回嘴。

He doesn't listen, which is normal for an 18-year-old, but new for him.

他不听，这对于 18 岁的年轻人来说很正常，但对他来说却是新鲜事。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter It's like he doesn't care about what I think.

[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 好像他并不关心我的想法。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter I can't tell him what to do anymore.

[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 我不能再告诉他该做什么了。

He gets really upset with me, because I promised him, you'll finally be able to relax.

他对我很生气，因为我答应过他，你终于可以放松了。

You can go to school.

你可以去学校了。

You can get the education you were denied in Syria.

您可以获得在叙利亚无法获得的教育。

He keeps telling me, this is what you promised us?

他一直告诉我，这就是你答应我们的？

So this is our future?

这就是我们的未来吗？

You made us take the sea and face death, and you brought us here to live like this?

你让我们走入大海，面对死亡，又把我们带到这里来过这样的生活？

She tells Ali, you can't blame me for what's out of my control.

她告诉阿里，你不能因为我无法控制的事情而责怪我。

For whatever reason, this is the life that God fated us to live right now.

不管出于什么原因，这就是上帝注定我们现在要过的生活。

But it's not forever.

但这不是永远的。

And a lot of other people are going through the same thing.

许多其他人也在经历同样的事情。

Ali says, he knows that's true, but it is hard not to get mad.

阿里说，他知道这是事实，但很难不生气。

He's got expressive, dark eyes, and a scruffy beard that is more peach fuzz than actual beard.

他有一双富有表现力的黑眼睛，还有一头邋遢的胡须，胡须比真正的胡须更像是桃色的绒毛。

Because she promised us, she promised us that we'll have a better future in Europe.

因为她向我们保证，她向我们保证，我们将在欧洲拥有更美好的未来。

And now they're fixing the electricity here.

现在他们正在修理这里的电力。

That makes me think that we're staying more, and it's really depressing me.

这让我觉得我们会待得更久，这真的让我很沮丧。

In fact, just the week I was there, the camp got big outdoor lights, and Wi-Fi, and a proper water supply.

事实上，就在我在那里的那一周，营地里就有了大型户外灯、Wi-Fi 和适当的供水。

Which in a way was just upsetting.

这在某种程度上只是令人不安。

The air force colonel who put this camp together told me that they're building the place to last five years for these or other refugees.

建造这个营地的空军上校告诉我，他们正在为这些或其他难民建造一个可以持续五年的地方。

I was like, what are we going to do here?

我当时想，我们要在这里做什么？

It's obvious that we're going to stay here for a longer time now.

显然我们要在这里待更长时间了。

What can I do?

我能做些什么？

I'm doing nothing.

我什么也没做。

I feel that my hands and my legs are just tied, and the days are passing, and passing, and there's nothing.

我感觉我的手和腿就这样被绑住了，日子一天天过去，过去了，什么也没有了。

Because of depression and stress, I just think that I'm going to explode sometimes from the situation that I'm living in.

由于抑郁和压力，我只是觉得有时我会因为现在的处境而爆发。

Mainly, he really, really wants to go to school.

主要是，他真的非常想上学。

He hasn't been in four years.

他已经四年没来了。

And his 16-year-old brother, Fadi, he's feeling all the same resentments and frustrations he is.

他 16 岁的弟弟 Fadi 也和他一样感到怨恨和沮丧。

And their mom says sometimes the two boys will sleep till 2:00 in the afternoon.

他们的妈妈说有时两个男孩会睡到下午 2:00。

And she'll try to wake them, and they get upset with her.

她会试图叫醒他们，但他们会生她的气。

And they say, well, why should we get up?

他们说，好吧，我们为什么要起床？

We don't have anything to do.

我们没什么可做的。

We don't have school.

我们没有学校。

We'd rather not wake up and see where we live.

我们宁愿不醒来看看我们住在哪里。

We'd rather just sleep.

我们宁愿睡觉。

Aziza says being here in this weird, suspended animation where their lives aren't moving forward at all, where her boys feel like life is passing them by, and they're never going to get to go to school and catch up to where they should be, she told me she is really just at the end of her rope.

阿齐扎说，在这种奇怪的假死状态中，他们的生活根本没有前进，她的孩子们感觉生活正在流逝，他们永远无法去上学并赶上他们应该达到的水平，她告诉我她真的已经到了山穷水尽的地步。

In Arabic, there's this saying she used, it's like your soul is tired.

在阿拉伯语中，她用过这样一句话：“就像你的灵魂累了。”

It's worn out.

它已经破旧了。

And she's questioning herself.

她正在质疑自己。

I've done everything I could.

我已经尽力了。

I got them here, but it's not in my control to do anything else.

我把它们带到了这里，但我无法控制做任何其他事情。

I feel like we committed a crime, but I don't know what crime we did.

我感觉我们犯了罪，但我不知道我们犯了什么罪。

Sometimes, during these conversations it was hard not to think about how the rest of the world sees Aziza and her family.

有时，在这些谈话中，很难不去思考世界其他地方如何看待阿齐扎和她的家人。

These are the most hated people in Europe, right?

这些是欧洲最令人讨厌的人，对吗？

These are the refugees whose possible immigration was a big reason that Britain pulled out of the EU, whose existence has led to the rise of xenophobic parties from Germany to Denmark.

这些难民的可能移民是英国退出欧盟的一个重要原因，他们的存在导致了从德国到丹麦的仇外政党的崛起。

These are the Muslims we talk about blocking from our own borders.

这些就是我们所说的被我们边境封锁的穆斯林。

Aziza says she can't go back.

阿齐扎说她不能回去。

Her old house doesn't exist.

她的老房子不存在了。

Her whole family has left Syria.

她的全家都离开了叙利亚。

There's nothing for them there.

那里没有什么适合他们的。

Not long ago, Aziza was missing her own mother, and feeling really sad about that.

不久前，阿齐扎想念自己的母亲，为此感到非常难过。

And the kids noticed, and they told her, we're there for you.

孩子们注意到了，他们告诉她，我们随时为你服务。

And they said, if we could do anything to make you happy, and they tried to cheer her up, and they made little jokes, and little funny moves, which was really sweet, and she loved it.

他们说，如果我们能做点什么让你开心的话，他们试图让她高兴起来，他们会讲一些小笑话，还有一些有趣的动作，这真的很甜蜜，她很喜欢。

And they would try to take care of her in the way that she tries to take care of them.

他们会尽力照顾她，就像她尽力照顾他们一样。

At the same time, she felt like, oh, it's come to this?

与此同时，她又觉得，哦，都到了这个地步了？

That they're taking care of her?

他们在照顾她？

It's like these days when she tells them, they're still going to have a bright future.

就好像这些天她告诉他们，他们仍然会有光明的未来。

They just need to hold on.

他们只需要坚持下去。

She see's them nod, like they're humoring her, pretending to agree, just to make her feel better.

她看到他们点头，就像他们在幽默她，假装同意，只是为了让她感觉好点。

That does not seem good to her, she said.

她说，这对她来说似乎不太好。

It doesn't seem ideal at all.

看起来一点也不理想。

Coming up.

即将到来。

So for your new life to begin, all you need is for somebody to pick up the phone when you call.

因此，为了开始您的新生活，您所需要的只是在您打电话时有人接听电话。

And you try, and try again, and try again, and they just do not answer.

你尝试、再尝试、再尝试，但他们就是不回答。

That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.

稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today on our program, are we there yet?

今天我们的节目，我们到了吗？

Stories of people whose lives are on hold in refugee camps in Greece.

希腊难民营中人们的生活被搁置的故事。

So an incredible team has put together an interactive tour of the camps that we visited, with little movies, and photos, and three dimensional architectural renderings created by a group of architects and engineers, Jai Mexis & Partners.

因此，一支令人难以置信的团队组织了一次我们参观过的营地的互动之旅，其中包括小电影、照片以及由一群建筑师和工程师 Jai Mexis & Partners 创建的三维建筑效果图。

Every time they show this to me, I just kind of stare at it and wonder.

每次他们向我展示这个时，我都会盯着它并感到好奇。

It's amazing.

太棒了。

It's at our website, thisamericanlife.org.

它位于我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。

We've arrived at Act 3 of our program, Act 3.

我们已经到了我们计划的第三幕，第三幕。

All our representatives are currently busy.

我们所有的代表目前都很忙。

So the first step for any refugee to leave the refugee camp limbo that they're in in Greece and get relocated elsewhere in Europe, is that they need official asylum papers from Greece.

因此，任何难民要离开希腊的难民营并重新安置到欧洲其他地方，第一步就是需要希腊的官方庇护文件。

And the problem is, there are too many refugees for the government office that handles this to process quickly.

问题是，难民人数太多，处理此事的政府办公室无法快速处理。

And fearing a situation where just like hundreds of refugees would line up every day at their office door, the asylum office in Greece set up a way for people to make appointments for their interview and their paperwork.

由于担心每天都会有数百名难民在办公室门口排队，希腊的庇护办公室为人们提供了一种预约面谈和文书工作的方式。

Basically, they set up a system where people could call the office on Skype.

基本上，他们建立了一个系统，人们可以通过 Skype 给办公室打电话。

And just a word here.

这里只说一句话。

If you don't know what Skype is, it's like an internet phone call, like Face Time.

如果您不知道 Skype 是什么，它就像网络电话，例如 Face Time。

People have it on their phones.

人们的手机上都有它。

You can call without the video also.

您也可以在没有视频的情况下拨打电话。

And the asylum office made a schedule of when people could call.

庇护办公室制定了人们可以打电话的时间安排。

So for instance, people who speak Arabic got from 10:00 to noon on Mondays and 10:00 to 11:00 on Tuesdays some weeks.

例如，讲阿拉伯语的人每周一的工作时间是 10:00 到中午，每周二的工作时间是 10:00 到 11:00。

Dari and Farsi speakers got an hour Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

讲达里语和波斯语的人周一、周二、周三、周四有一个小时的时间。

And making the appointment is important, because once you have the appointment, you get access to health care, and you get a temporary permit to stay in Greece for a year.

预约很重要，因为一旦预约，您就可以获得医疗保健，并且可以获得在希腊停留一年的临时许可证。

If you don't have that, they can arrest you.

如果你没有，他们可以逮捕你。

One of our reporters, Miki Meek, went to watch refugees make these Skype calls in Athens.

我们的一位记者 Miki Meek 前往雅典观察难民使用 Skype 进行通话。

This was six weeks ago.

这是六周前的事了。

Turns out, when it comes to pre-registering for asylum, like the cops say on American TV shows, you can do it the easy way, or you can do it the hard way.

事实证明，在预先登记庇护时，就像美国电视节目中警察所说的那样，你可以选择简单的方法，也可以选择困难的方法。

Here's Miki.

这是米基。

Tens of thousands of people were in this weird situation where their entire futures were dependent on getting through on a Skype call, and they were not getting through.

成千上万的人处于这种奇怪的境地，他们的整个未来都依赖于 Skype 通话的接通，但他们却无法接通。

So they re-dialed again, and again, and again.

于是他们一次又一次地重新拨号。

People had been stuck doing this for months from their cell phones.

几个月以来，人们一直被困在手机上做这件事。

I've been trying probably more than 500 times.

我已经尝试了大概超过500次。

This is Hassan Haidari, 22-years-old, and from Afghanistan.

我是哈桑·海达里 (Hassan Haidari)，22 岁，来自阿富汗。

He told me he left after his parents got blown up by a roadside bomb, like they couldn't find remains to bury, like they were evaporated.

他告诉我，他的父母被路边炸弹炸死后，他就离开了，就像他们找不到遗体可以埋葬，就像他们蒸发了一样。

And he got attacked by the Taliban.

他遭到塔利班的袭击。

Hassan was sitting next to a guy who pulled out his phone to show me his Skype history.

哈桑坐在一个人旁边，他拿出手机向我展示他的 Skype 历史记录。

His first call to the Greek asylum office was back in March.

他第一次给希腊庇护办公室打电话是在三月份。

You're just scrolling through.

你只是滚动浏览。

How many times have you tried to call?

您尝试过拨打多少次电话？

[SPEAKING DARI] Miki Meek He says almost 1,000 times.

[说达里语] Miki Meek 他说了近 1,000 次。

It just says, call, no answer.

它只是说，打电话，无人接听。

Call, no answer.

打电话，无人接听。

Call, no answer.

打电话，无人接听。

Call failed.

呼叫失败。

And it just keeps going on and on like this.

就这样一直持续下去。

So that's the hard way to do these Skype calls.

所以这是进行 Skype 通话的困难方法。

The easy way, it really isn't much easier.

简单的方法，实际上并不容易。

You go to an NGO's office, and you use their Skype account to call in.

您前往非政府组织的办公室，使用他们的 Skype 帐户进行通话。

It's easier because your odds go up.

这更容易，因为你的胜算增加了。

The government asylum office prioritizes calls from NGOs over random Skype callers, which is why Hassan is at the rundown office of an NGO called the Greek Forum of Refugees.

政府庇护办公室优先考虑非政府组织的电话，而不是随机的 Skype 来电者，这就是哈桑在一家名为“希腊难民论坛”的非政府组织的破旧办公室工作的原因。

He's sitting cross-legged on the ground.

他盘腿坐在地上。

It's Wednesday, and Dari speakers like him get an hour, from noon to 1:00, to Skype the asylum office.

今天是星期三，像他这样讲达里语的人有一个小时的时间（从中午到 1:00）通过 Skype 与庇护办公室联系。

This is someone just coming over to help them start it.

这是有人过来帮助他们开始的。

Let's see, what time is it right now?

我们看看，现在几点了？

All right.

好的。

So they're trying.

所以他们正在努力。

Hassan's sitting in front of an old laptop with a friend who brought him here, Awaaz.

哈桑和一位带他来这里的朋友阿瓦兹坐在一台旧笔记本电脑前。

And it's Awaaz who grabs the mouse to reconnect.

Awaaz 抓住鼠标重新连接。

He says he came to this office over and over for weeks, 15 different times before he finally got through.

他说，他在几周的时间里一遍又一遍地来到这个办公室，一共来了 15 次，最后才终于接通了电话。

So he knows the drill.

所以他知道该怎么做。

So now they're still trying.

所以现在他们还在努力。

So let's see.

那么让我们看看。

Let's count how many seconds.

我们来数一下有多少秒。

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and it dropped.

1、2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10，然后就下降了。

I mean, does this mean that you spent 15 hours of just letting it ringing and drop?

我的意思是，这是否意味着您花了 15 个小时让它响个不停？

Yes, I would keep trying, and keep trying, hoping that the Skype call will go through, and then nothing will happen.

是的，我会继续尝试，继续尝试，希望 Skype 通话能够接通，然后什么也不会发生。

Then after a while, you start to feel really desperate.

过了一段时间，你开始感到非常绝望。

Hassan says most every Afghan he knows has memorized the Skype schedule for the asylum office.

哈桑说，他认识的大多数阿富汗人都记住了庇护办公室的 Skype 时间表。

There are literally thousands of people trying at the same time right now.

现在实际上有成千上万的人在同时尝试。

[SKYPE SOUNDS] Miki Meek That's the sound of it dropping.

[SKYPE SOUNDS] Miki Meek 这是它掉落的声音。

Re-dialing.

重新拨号。

Every time their call drops, they scramble for the mouse.

每当它们的叫声响起时，它们就会争先恐后地抓老鼠。

It's like playing a very repetitious video game, an incredibly boring one, with very high stakes.

这就像玩一款非常重复的视频游戏，非常无聊，但风险很高。

25 deadening minutes pass this way.

令人窒息的25分钟就这样过去了。

And then-- you just got through.

然后——你就完成了。

The asylum office picks up.

庇护办公室接听电话。

A woman speaks to Hassan through an interpreter.

一名妇女通过翻译与哈桑交谈。

She can see him through the computer camera, but he can't see her.

她可以通过电脑摄像头看到他，但他看不到她。

She tells him--

她告诉他——

Sit back straight.

坐直。

Miki Meek Then she takes this photo, and starts to put together his file.

Miki Meek 然后她拍了这张照片，并开始整理他的文件。

What your name?

你的名字是什么？

Miki Meek She takes down all his bio information, then tells him to write down five numbers.

米基·米克（Miki Meek）她记下了他所有的生物信息，然后让他写下五个数字。

Please, write down this code.

请写下这段代码。

18-572.

18-572。

That's your registration number.

那是你的注册号码。

Hassan's appointment at the asylum office would be in three weeks.

哈桑在庇护办公室的任命将在三周后进行。

All right.

好的。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Bye.

再见。

Miki Meek Wait, sit down.

米基·米克 等等，坐下。

Come here.

过来吧。

Hassan jumps out of his chair, and pumps his fists in the air.

哈桑从椅子上跳起来，在空中挥舞着拳头。

Awaaz is smiling in disbelief.

阿瓦兹难以置信地微笑着。

It's crazy that I've coming here for 15 days.

我来这里已经15天了，真是太疯狂了。

I cried so much.

我哭得很厉害。

And he's so lucky.

他很幸运。

He just got it on the first day.

他第一天就拿到了。

Hassan reaches over, and grabs Awaaz by the chin.

哈桑伸出手，抓住阿瓦兹的下巴。

I feel like-- my friend, I'm so-- I like this guy a lot.

我觉得——我的朋友，我非常——我非常喜欢这个人。

I want to kiss him on the cheek and thank him for bringing me here, and just because it just worked on the first day, on the first call.

我想亲吻他的脸颊，感谢他带我来这里，因为它在第一天、第一次通话时就起作用了。

I mean, you should go for it.

我的意思是，你应该去做。

Just kiss him on the cheek.

只要亲吻他的脸颊就可以了。

[KISSING SOUND] Miki Meek He just patted his head.

[接吻声] Miki Meek 他只是拍拍他的头。

At 1 o'clock, the Afghans leave, and the Syrians arrive.

凌晨1点，阿富汗人离开，叙利亚人抵达。

There are so many more Syrian refugees in Greece that they get two hours, not one.

希腊境内的叙利亚难民太多了，他们只有两个小时，而不是一小时。

And they occupy every available space outside the office door.

他们占据了办公室门外的每一个可用空间。

Kids sleep on garbage bags their parents have placed on the floor.

孩子们睡在父母放在地板上的垃圾袋上。

Men sit shoulder to shoulder in the stairwell.

男人们并肩坐在楼梯间里。

That's what the Skype app sounds like when a roomful of people have it on speakerphone.

当一屋子的人使用免提电话时，Skype 应用程序听起来就是这样的。

A guy named Mohammed Al Shahani holds his phone out to show me.

一个名叫穆罕默德·阿尔·沙哈尼 (Mohammed Al Shahani) 的人拿出手机给我看。

Mohammed's 21 years old.

穆罕默德今年 21 岁。

He's from a bombed out city in northern Syria called Idlib.

他来自叙利亚北部一座被轰炸的城市伊德利卜。

I hear it all the time.

我一直听到它。

It's ingrained in my brain, the Skype ring tone over and over again.

Skype 铃声一遍又一遍地在我的脑海中根深蒂固。

I mean, we hear it while we're sleeping.

我的意思是，我们在睡觉时听到它。

It just plays and plays, even in your dreams.

它只是不停地玩，即使在你的梦中也是如此。

But we're still hoping for the best.

但我们仍然希望能有最好的结果。

God willing, we'll get through.

上帝保佑，我们一定能渡过难关。

He's here at the office with his family-- mom, dad, and siblings.

他和他的家人——妈妈、爸爸和兄弟姐妹一起在办公室。

There are eight of them in total.

总共有八个。

They're living in tents they've pitched on pavement at a cruise ship terminal.

他们住在游轮码头人行道上搭建的帐篷里。

It takes an hour and a half to get here.

需要一个半小时才能到达这里。

I feel like if we don't-- if nobody picks up today, we're just going to be done.

我觉得如果我们不这样做——如果今天没有人接电话，我们就完了。

We're not coming back.

我们不会回来了。

Because it's so hard for us to come.

因为我们来得太不容易了。

We have young kids, and we have our wives with us.

我们有年幼的孩子，还有我们的妻子。

And just for us to get here, you have to take a train, and then you walk 10 kilometers.

而我们到这里就得坐火车，然后步行10公里。

Mohammad's serious.

穆罕默德是认真的。

He's done with these Skype sessions, which will not go down so well with his dad, Rajab.

他已经结束了这些 Skype 会话，这对他的父亲 Rajab 来说不太好。

It's his dad who's made everyone start walking at 6:00 AM three times a week for the past three months.

在过去的三个月里，是他的父亲让每个人每周 3 次早上 6:00 开始散步。

He wants to make sure they're first in line to use the laptop.

他希望确保他们能够第一个使用笔记本电脑。

Because if they're not, they'll probably sit in the hallway the whole time and never get on.

因为如果他们不这样做，他们可能会一直坐在走廊上，永远不会上车。

But all this has made things pretty tense.

但这一切都让事情变得相当紧张。

Here's Rajab.

这是拉贾布。

Because they're so tired of coming every day, you know?

因为他们厌倦了每天都来，你知道吗？

We come, and we go.

我们来，我们走。

We keep going back and forth.

我们不断地来回走动。

They're so tired.

他们太累了。

They're tired of it.

他们厌倦了。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter This is it.

[说阿拉伯语] 口译员就是这样。

This is all we do.

这就是我们所做的一切。

That's it.

就是这样。

I live my life based on these time slots.

我根据这些时间段过我的生活。

OK, so just it just dropped again.

好吧，所以它又下降了。

We gotta call again?

我们还要再打电话吗？

Hold on.

坚持，稍等。

The theory in this office is that it takes so long to get through because there aren't that many operators answering the Skype calls.

这个办公室的理论是，之所以需要很长时间才能接通，是因为没有那么多接线员接听 Skype 电话。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Miki Meek An NGO employee next to Rajab says it might be just one or two.

[阿拉伯语] Miki Meek Rajab 旁边的一位非政府组织员工表示，可能只有一两个。

He's been sitting in on these calls for months.

几个月来他一直在旁听这些电话。

I didn't believe that could possibly be true.

我不相信这可能是真的。

One or two people for all the thousands of Syrians needing asylum appointments?

成千上万需要庇护预约的叙利亚人需要一两个人吗？

Then Joanna, the NPR reporter we worked with on the show, went and visited the asylum office.

然后，我们在节目中合作的 NPR 记者乔安娜 (Joanna) 参观了庇护办公室。

It does sound incredible.

听起来确实令人难以置信。

The asylum office has over 350 employees, and this is the biggest thing they're working on.

庇护办公室有超过 350 名员工，这是他们正在做的最重要的事情。

But it's true.

但这是真的。

The number of people manning the Skype line for all of Greece is exactly one.

希腊全境 Skype 线路的接听人数正好是 1。

Her name is Katerina Maliotaki, lifetime civil servant, a big personality with black hair she's dyed bright red.

她的名字叫卡特琳娜·马利奥塔基（Katerina Maliotaki），终身公务员，性格大方，黑发染成了鲜红色。

She keeps a stuffed Kermit the Frog doll next to her computer that she squeezes when she gets stressed.

她在电脑旁边放了一个科米特青蛙毛绒玩偶，当她感到压力时，她会挤压它。

Hello, sir.

你好先生。

How are you?

你好吗？

Good morning.

早上好。

What country are you from?

你来自哪个国家？

Great.

伟大的。

Thank you.

谢谢。

Katerina sits in a tiny, little office where she can barely move, with an interpreter that's right next to her.

卡特琳娜坐在一间很小的办公室里，她几乎无法动弹，旁边还有一名翻译。

I take one call after another without leaving even half a minute gap in between.

我一个接一个地接听电话，中间不留半分钟的间隙。

Without taking a breath, my hand automatically grabs the mouse.

没有呼吸，我的手自动抓住了鼠标。

We can't waste any time, because as we know, there are tens of thousands of refugees.

我们不能浪费任何时间，因为据我们所知，有数以万计的难民。

Everyone is waiting on you to answer the call, and you know that you can't possibly answer all of them.

每个人都在等待您接听电话，而您知道您不可能接听所有人的电话。

She picks up a call from a Syrian woman.

她接到了一名叙利亚妇女的电话。

She's in a little square on the right hand side of the screen, wearing a peach headscarf.

她位于屏幕右侧的一个小方块中，戴着桃色头巾。

[SPEAKING GREEK] Joanna She tells her hello.

[说希腊语] 乔安娜 她向她打招呼。

Every time Katerina answers a call, she sits up straight and smiles, even though the refugees can't see her from their end.

每次卡特琳娜接听电话时，她都会坐直并微笑，尽管难民们从一端看不到她。

[SPEAKING GREEK] Joanna She tells her to look at the camera.

[说希腊语] 乔安娜 她让她看镜头。

Bravo.

太棒了。

Wonderful.

精彩的。

Thank you.

谢谢。

The entire time she's processing the woman and her kids, the left side of Katerina's screen is filling up with a long line of flashing calls.

在她处理这个女人和她的孩子的整个过程中，卡特琳娜屏幕的左侧充满了一长串闪烁的呼叫。

Katerina estimates in a regular workday, with calls in Farsi, Dari, French, Arabic, English, she'll only register about 100 people, maybe 12 an hour.

Katerina 估计，在正常工作日，用波斯语、达里语、法语、阿拉伯语、英语拨打电话时，她只会登记大约 100 人，每小时可能 12 人。

That's the best she can do.

这是她能做的最好的事情了。

So why is she the only one doing this job?

那么为什么只有她一个人做这项工作呢？

Well, Greece is broke.

好吧，希腊已经破产了。

The entire government has been on austerity for six years.

六年来，整个政府一直实行紧缩政策。

There's no money to hire anyone else, and this agency is just three years old.

没有钱雇用其他人，而这个机构才成立三年。

It was never meant to handle such a big workload.

它从来就不是为了处理如此大的工作量。

The director told me they'd need to hire more than 1,000 people just to keep up.

主管告诉我，他们需要雇用 1,000 多人才能跟上。

She said, sure, they could move more people to taking Skype calls, but that would just cut the number of people processing asylum applications.

她说，当然，他们可以让更多的人接听 Skype 电话，但这只会减少处理庇护申请的人数。

One way or another, it's going to be very, very slow.

不管怎样，它会非常非常慢。

Katerina says sometimes refugees yell at her when she finally picks up their call.

卡特琳娜说，有时当她终于接起难民的电话时，难民会对她大喊大叫。

They want to know, why have I been calling for months?

他们想知道，为什么我几个月来一直打电话？

I mean, what's it like knowing that thousands of people are trying to reach you, and you can only pick up a few calls at a time?

我的意思是，知道有成千上万的人试图联系您，而您一次只能接几个电话，这是什么感觉？

It feels heavy and worrisome for us.

这让我们感到沉重和担忧。

Because you do as much as you can, with all of your heart, your strength, your expertise.

因为你尽你所能，用你的全部心、你的力量和你的专业知识。

But whatever you do, even in doing your best, will always be just a drop in the ocean.

但无论你做什么，即使尽了最大努力，也永远只是沧海一粟。

So this big disappointment does come over us.

所以我们确实感到非常失望。

Because no one is satisfied.

因为没有人满意。

Katerina told me she read a news article about a Syrian man who dreamed all night about Skype.

卡特琳娜告诉我，她读到一篇新闻报道，一名叙利亚男子整晚都梦见 Skype。

She switches to English to explain.

她改用英语进行解释。

He was saying that every night he's dreaming.

他说他每天晚上都在做梦。

I'm trying to sleep, and I see in my dreams that I'm calling on Skype.

我正想睡觉，却在梦中看到我正在用 Skype 打电话。

And really, I wanted to tell him that, oh my friend, I have the same problem.

真的，我想告诉他，哦我的朋友，我也有同样的问题。

Really.

真的。

So we're back at the NGO office.

我们回到了非政府组织办公室。

It's 3:55.

现在是 3 点 55 分。

The session ends at 4:00.

会议于 4:00 结束。

My interpreter and I are the only ones in the room who feel any suspense about whether the people here will get through.

我和我的翻译是房间里唯一对这里的人是否能通过的悬念。

Rajab, the dad who dragged his whole family here, he just looks tired.

拉贾布，那个拖着全家来这里的爸爸，他只是看上去很累。

He sits on a plastic lawn chair, staring at the computer screen.

他坐在塑料草坪椅上，盯着电脑屏幕。

Hassan Mohammed, who told me if you don't get through today, he's never coming back, he's off in the waiting room, robotically re-dialing on Skype.

哈桑·穆罕默德 (Hassan Mohammed) 告诉我，如果你今天打不通，他就永远不会回来，他正在候诊室里，自动在 Skype 上重新拨号。

Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry.

快点，快点，快点，快点。

Two more minutes.

还有两分钟。

Two more minutes.

还有两分钟。

An NGO employee says to no one in particular, "moment of silence for the lost souls on Skype about to die." They haven't picked up.

一名非政府组织员工对没有特定的人说：“为 Skype 上即将死去的迷失灵魂默哀片刻。”他们还没接。

The time's up.

时间到了。

I mean, that's it.

我的意思是，就是这样。

We're done for the day.

我们这一天就结束了。

I mean, we're done.

我的意思是，我们完成了。

I leave the room to check in with Rajab's son, Mohammed, who's still out in the now empty hallway.

我离开房间去见拉杰布的儿子穆罕默德，他仍然呆在空荡荡的走廊里。

The entire time from 2:00 to 4:00, there is hope.

从2:00到4:00的整个时间里，都是有希望的。

Everybody's still holding on.

大家还在坚持。

No one wants to go on.

没有人愿意继续下去。

But once that clock strikes 4:00, that's when everybody leaves.

但一旦时钟敲响 4:00，所有人就都离开了。

They literally, they hate everything.

从字面上看，他们讨厌一切。

They hate themselves.

他们讨厌自己。

They hate this world.

他们讨厌这个世界。

They hate their kids.

他们讨厌他们的孩子。

Like, they hate everything.

就像，他们讨厌一切。

Does your dad know that you're not going to come back?

你爸爸知道你不会回来吗？

No, no. He doesn't.

不，不。他不知道。

He doesn't know I don't want to come back.

他不知道我不想回来。

When are you going to tell your dad?

你打算什么时候告诉你爸爸？

Are you going to tell him today, or are you going to wait until he comes back for an appointment next week that you're not coming?

你打算今天告诉他，还是等到他下周回来赴约时才告诉他你不会来？

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter No, I'm not going to tell him at all.

[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 不，我根本不会告诉他。

[SPEAKING ARABIC] Interpreter I can't keep coming back.

[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 我不能再回来了。

I'm done.

我受够了。

That's it.

就是这样。

I just want to go back to Syria.

我只想回到叙利亚。

I just want to-- I just want to leave and smuggle myself back to Syria.

我只是想——我只是想离开并偷偷回到叙利亚。

I don't want to tell him.

我不想告诉他。

He didn't go back to Syria.

他没有回到叙利亚。

The next week, he got up, started walking to the train station at 6:00 AM, and came back to the office early enough to be first in line again.

接下来的一周，他早上 6:00 起床，开始步行去火车站，然后很早就回到办公室，再次排在了第一位。

Miki Meek.

米基·米克.

So because those Skype calls have been criticized, in the time since Miki recorded those people who were calling in, the United Nations Refugee Agency, UNHCR, has started going to camps with the Greek government to pre-register hundreds of people at a time in person, so they don't have to use Skype.

因此，由于这些Skype电话受到了批评，自从Miki记录了那些打电话的人以来，联合国难民署（UNHCR）已经开始与希腊政府一起前往难民营，一次为数百人进行预先登记，这样他们就不必使用Skype。

And they've done tons of people this way, over 25,000 people.

他们已经用这种方式帮助了很多人，超过 25,000 人。

But the problem is, these people were told when they do this, OK, you're pre-registered for asylum, but they weren't given an actual appointment.

但问题是，这些人在这样做时被告知，好吧，你已经预先注册了庇护，但他们没有得到实际的预约。

Like, they weren't given a date to come in to be interviewed and start the asylum process.

比如，他们没有得到接受采访并开始庇护程序的日期。

An NGO staffer told us that the government tells the refugees that they'll be texted sometime in the coming year with a date.

一位非政府组织工作人员告诉我们，政府告诉难民，他们将在明年的某个时候收到短信告知具体日期。

And then after that, the asylum process itself, that they're just applying for, right?

然后，他们只是申请庇护程序本身，对吗？

That itself can take months.

这本身可能需要几个月的时间。

But that's just the delay that all these people face with the local bureaucracy in Greece.

但这只是希腊当地官僚机构所面临的拖延。

The next problem they have is, although the rest of Europe has officially agreed to let in these 57,000 people into their countries, they're not doing it.

他们面临的下一个问题是，尽管欧洲其他国家已正式同意让这 57,000 人进入他们的国家，但他们并没有这样做。

Only 2,681 have been relocated out of 57,000.

57,000 人中只有 2,681 人被搬迁。

It's totally stalled.

完全停滞了。

Apparently, the politics for any country to allow in refugees right now is too delicate to let these people in.

显然，目前任何国家允许难民入境的政治都过于微妙，无法让这些人入境。

Dimitris Vitsas, who's in charge of coordinating the refugee crisis in Greece, he's the Deputy Ministry of Defense, he told me that Greece understands that these 57,000 people may not be going anywhere for a very long time.

负责协调希腊难民危机的迪米特里斯·维萨斯(Dimitris Vitsas)是国防部副部长，他告诉我，希腊明白这57,000人可能在很长一段时间内不会去任何地方。

And when they finally do leave, given the situation in the world, others are probably going to show up to replace them.

当他们最终离开时，考虑到世界的局势，其他人可能会出现来取代他们。

Our goal is to have ready over 60,000 places where we can host refugees and migrants in central Greece--

我们的目标是在希腊中部准备好 60,000 多个地方来收容难民和移民——

Indefinitely moving forward for the coming years.

未来几年无限期地前进。

Indefinitely.

无限期。

Now, short term, they hope to get 2/3 of the refugees, 40,000 people, out of tents and into little trailers that they call "iso boxes," which have AC, and heat, and proper kitchens, and showers, and bathrooms.

现在，短期内，他们希望让 2/3 的难民，即 40,000 人，离开帐篷，进入他们称之为“iso 盒子”的小拖车，里面有空调、暖气、适当的厨房、淋浴和浴室。

And they hope to do that by September, or anyway before winter.

他们希望在九月之前完成，或者无论如何在冬天之前完成。

They have money for this provided by the rest of Europe.

他们有欧洲其他国家为此提供的资金。

Our goal is to have 20,000 people in houses and apartments by the end of September.

我们的目标是到 9 月底让 20,000 人入住独立屋和公寓。

This is not only better for the refugees than living in the camps, it's great for the Greeks, because it puts money into the hands of Greek citizens.

这不仅对难民来说比生活在难民营中更好，对希腊人来说也很好，因为它把钱送到了希腊公民的手中。

Basically, other European countries will pay Greek property owners to fix up and rent out rooms, and apartments, and houses to the refugees.

基本上，其他欧洲国家将向希腊业主支付费用，为难民修理和出租房间、公寓和房屋。

The Greeks are also hoping to set up schools for refugee children by the end of September.

希腊人还希望在九月底之前为难民儿童建立学校。

I did talk to officials from the International Rescue Committee and UNHCR, and they applauded these ambitions, but they were deeply skeptical that Greece would actually make the goals for such large numbers of refugees.

我确实与国际救援委员会和联合国难民署的官员进行了交谈，他们对这些雄心壮志表示赞赏，但他们对希腊是否真的能够实现收容如此大量难民的目标深表怀疑。

But this whole plan that Greece is preparing for tens of thousands of refugees to be there for a long, long time?

但希腊正在为数以万计的难民在那里长期居住而准备的整个计划呢？

The refugees don't know it.

难民们并不知道这一点。

People we met in the camps really had no idea, and they're trying to move ahead with parts of their lives, whatever they can.

我们在难民营里遇到的人们真的不知道，他们正在尽其所能地努力继续生活的一部分。

And in fact, next week on our show, we have stories of people trying to do that, like this couple that met and fell in love, even though they were not expecting anything like that to happen to them while en route from one country to another.

事实上，在下周的节目中，我们会讲述人们试图这样做的故事，就像这对相识并相爱的夫妇，尽管他们并没有预料到在从一个国家到另一个国家的途中会发生这样的事情。

And even though her family did not approve and tried to keep them apart, the guy in the couple was undeterred.

尽管她的家人不同意并试图将他们分开，但这对夫妇中的那个人并没有被吓倒。

I love her very much, and those people won't stand in our way.

我非常爱她，那些人不会妨碍我们。

And our love is stronger than this country that's blocking the border.

我们的爱比这个封锁边境的国家更强烈。

This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。