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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
See, now these are new.
看，现在这些都是新的。
These I hadn't seen before.
这些是我以前没见过的。
Those are big.
那些很大。
That one's probably two inches wide.
那可能有两英寸宽。
The other one's a good inch.
另一个是一英寸好。
Ira Glass I'm in suburban Connecticut and an 83-year-old man, Dick Paterniti is showing me the holes that woodpeckers have made in his house.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 我在康涅狄格州郊区，一位 83 岁的迪克·帕特尼蒂 (Dick Paterniti) 正在向我展示啄木鸟在他的房子里挖出的洞。
For over two decades, he's been replacing shingles and patching these holes.
二十多年来，他一直在更换木瓦并修补这些漏洞。
For over two decades, he has been aggravated by their birdy jackhammer noise.
二十多年来，他一直因手提钻的鸟鸣声而恼怒。
For over two decades, he's tried all kinds of things to get them to leave his house alone.
二十多年来，他尝试了各种方法让他们离开他的房子。
Like, for instance, the plastic owl that he bought.
例如，他买的塑料猫头鹰。
What I did was I rigged a pulley system where I put a pulley at either corner of the house.
我所做的就是安装一个滑轮系统，在房子的两个角落放一个滑轮。
And then--
然后——
So about the height of that window there?
那么那个窗户的高度是多少？
Yes.
是的。
Well, 15 to 20 feet in the air, at the height of the second story window.
嗯，在 15 到 20 英尺的空中，二楼窗户的高度。
And then I looped it from one end of the house to the other, going through pulleys on both sides.
然后我把它从房子的一端绕到另一端，穿过两边的滑轮。
He hung the owl on the rope and pulled him side to side, using the pulleys.
他把猫头鹰挂在绳子上，然后用滑轮把它从一边拉到另一边。
He did this because he learned, through bitter experience, that just putting the owl at the top of a ladder didn't work.
他之所以这样做，是因为他通过痛苦的经历了解到，仅仅把猫头鹰放在梯子的顶部是行不通的。
After about a week, the woodpecker realized that the plastic owl was not a threat to it in any way.
大约一周后，啄木鸟意识到塑料猫头鹰对它没有任何威胁。
And it not only returned, once Dick came outside and saw the owl and a woodpecker--
当迪克走到外面看到猫头鹰和一只啄木鸟时，它不仅回来了——
It was sitting on his head.
它坐在他的头上。
Ira Glass So the woodpecker won that round.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 所以啄木鸟赢了这一轮。
Won that round.
赢了那一轮。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass This man, Dick Paterniti, was at IBM for years-- did integrated planning and strategic planning.
Ira Glass 这个人名叫 Dick Paterniti，在 IBM 工作了多年，负责综合规划和战略规划。
And when he latches on to a problem, he takes it on with a breathtaking thoroughness.
当他抓住一个问题时，他会以惊人的彻底性来解决它。
Regular listeners to our program might remember his years' long search to figure out the origin of a piece of music that he would hear when he was put on hold at his local hospital.
我们节目的常客可能还记得，他多年来一直在寻找一首音乐的起源，当他在当地医院住院时，他会听到这首音乐。
And he's tackled this woodpecker situation with a kind of "leave no stone unturned," 1960s engineering mentality that got a man on the moon.
他以一种“千方百计”的 20 世纪 60 年代工程心态解决了啄木鸟的问题，正是这种心态让人类登上了月球。
He showed me articles-- highlighted in multiple colors-- about the birds.
他向我展示了有关鸟类的文章（以多种颜色突出显示）。
He showed me a table full of gear and chemicals, foam to fill holes in his house, aluminum flashing.
他给我看了一张桌子，里面装满了装备和化学品，还有用来填补房子漏洞的泡沫、铝制防水板。
But also metal pie tins that he would hang from strings and colored streamers, on the theory that that scares woodpeckers away.
他还会把金属馅饼罐挂在绳子和彩色飘带上，理论上这样可以吓跑啄木鸟。
Because everybody knows woodpeckers hate tacky [BEEP].
因为大家都知道啄木鸟讨厌俗气[嘟嘟]。
They like a nice, classy house.
他们喜欢漂亮、优雅的房子。
Kidding.
开玩笑。
I think it works because of movement and because of the reflectiveness.
我认为它之所以有效，是因为运动和反思。
I've also used balloons, but when you get balloons hanging on your house-- all around the house-- people are saying, what's going on here?
我也用过气球，但是当你的房子上挂满气球时——房子的各处——人们会说，这是怎么回事？
It's a perpetual birthday party or something.
这是一个永久的生日聚会什么的。
I didn't do the balloons for long, but I had them in there for a couple of weeks.
我做气球的时间不长，但我把它们放在那里几个星期了。
His latest idea?
他的最新想法？
While the woodpecker's been away this winter, a hawk showed up in his yard.
今年冬天啄木鸟不在的时候，一只鹰出现在他的院子里。
Hawks are natural predators for woodpeckers.
老鹰是啄木鸟的天敌。
Just hearing a hawk's call, he thinks, should be enough to scare woodpeckers away.
他认为，只要听到鹰的叫声就足以吓跑啄木鸟。
So I am thinking now, as my forward plan, of making an alliance with the hawk and seeing whether I can entice him to come more often.
所以我现在正在考虑，作为我的远期计划，与鹰派结盟，看看我是否可以吸引他更频繁地来。
Because if he comes, the woodpeckers will not come.
因为如果他来了，啄木鸟就不会来了。
So we're working on that as one of our forward strategies.
因此，我们正在将其作为我们的未来战略之一。
Which, of course, raises the question, how exactly do you form an alliance with a hawk?
当然，这就提出了一个问题：你究竟如何与鹰派结盟？
Stocking his yard with mice or with rabbits seemed to Dick like it crossed the line into crazy town.
在迪克看来，在院子里养满老鼠或兔子就好像越界进入了疯狂的小镇。
Putting up peanut butter might just attract rats.
放花生酱可能只会吸引老鼠。
And do hawks even eat peanut butter?
老鹰甚至吃花生酱吗？
So Dick's backup plan, if the hawk doesn't stick around for the summer, is to rig up some kind of audio playback gear and a loudspeaker to play prerecorded hawk sounds.
因此，如果鹰在夏天不留下来，迪克的后备计划是安装某种音频播放设备和扬声器来播放预先录制的鹰声音。
But it is a terrible sound of a shrieking hawk and a distressed woodpecker.
但这是鹰的尖叫声和啄木鸟的痛苦声音。
So now, my plan for this spring is going to be very extensive.
所以现在，我今年春天的计划将非常广泛。
It's going to be broad-based, multi-faceted.
它将是基础广泛、多方面的。
So you're very aware of the bird.
所以你对这只鸟非常了解。
Does the bird know you exist?
那只鸟知道你的存在吗？
I don't think so.
我不这么认为。
As a matter of fact, sometimes I'll go out in the morning and I'll yell at him or clap my hands and he'll just continue and just not even pay attention.
事实上，有时我早上出去，我会对他大喊大叫或拍手，他就会继续，甚至不注意。
I'm sort of incidental in his life.
我在他的生活中只是一个偶然。
He's thinking about food and a mate.
他正在考虑食物和伴侣。
Dick's son told me Dick overthinks everything.
迪克的儿子告诉我迪克凡事想得太多了。
And the bird doesn't think anything at all.
而那只鸟根本什么也没想。
The bird doesn't care.
鸟儿不在乎。
And that's maybe why the bird is winning.
这也许就是这只鸟获胜的原因。
The bird's in charge.
鸟儿负责。
Today on our program, "When the Beasts Come Marching In," we human beings think we run the world.
今天，在我们的节目“当野兽进军时”中，我们人类认为我们统治着世界。
We think we've got things under control.
我们认为事情已经得到控制。
And then an animal shows up and things do not go like we planned.
然后一只动物出现了，事情并没有像我们计划的那样进行。
We have three stories today-- seals and wolves and a moose dropping in on our human lives and showing us who is not the boss.
今天我们要讲三个故事——海豹、狼和驼鹿闯入我们的人类生活，让我们知道谁不是老大。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, "Beaching and Moaning." And even when an animal is not a pest-- not chewing up homes, not spreading disease, not biting average citizens-- even when an animal is pretty much universally loved, it can still wreak havoc when it arrives in our world.
第一幕，“搁浅和呻吟”。即使动物不是害虫——不会啃咬房屋，不会传播疾病，不会咬伤普通民众——即使动物受到普遍喜爱，当它到达我们的世界时仍然会造成严重破坏。
James Spring has this example.
詹姆斯·斯普林有这样的例子。
A community of seals-- harbor seals-- in La Jolla, California near San Diego.
圣地亚哥附近加利福尼亚州拉霍亚的一个海豹群落——斑海豹。
Note that the version of this story that we're putting online and as a podcast includes some curse words that we have unbeeped.
请注意，我们将这个故事放在网上并作为播客的版本包括一些我们未发出声音的咒语。
If you prefer a beeped version of our show, you can find that at our website, thisamericanlife.org.
如果您喜欢我们节目的嘟嘟声版本，您可以在我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org 上找到该版本。
Anyway, here's James.
无论如何，这是詹姆斯。
I feel like it all starts with their little noses, so cute.
我觉得这一切都是从他们的小鼻子开始的，太可爱了。
Soft and rubbery like a pony's.
像小马一样柔软且有弹性。
And their stubby flippers.
还有它们粗短的脚蹼。
Their plump little bodies like speckled bean bags.
他们丰满的小身体就像有斑点的豆袋。
Visitors come from all over the world to watch the harbor seals of La Jolla wiggle across the white sand of a little beach called Children's Pool.
来自世界各地的游客来到拉霍亚观看斑海豹在名为儿童泳池的小海滩的白色沙滩上扭动。
It's called Children's Pool because back in 1931, the city built a seawall along a curved peninsula to make a protected cove for children.
它之所以被称为儿童泳池，是因为早在 1931 年，该市就沿着弯曲的半岛修建了海堤，为儿童提供一个受保护的海湾。
And it totally worked.
它完全奏效了。
I played there when I was a kid.
我小时候就在那里玩过。
I didn't drown even once.
我一次也没被淹死过。
There weren't any seals back then.
那时还没有封印。
But later, in the mid-'80s, when I was a teenager, they started to come ashore at night.
但后来，在八十年代中期，当我十几岁的时候，他们开始在晚上上岸。
Just a few at first, and then a bunch.
一开始只有几个，然后是一堆。
One night my friend Tom and I ended up at the Children's Pool after a Wang Chung concert.
一天晚上，我和朋友汤姆听完王中音乐会后来到了儿童泳池。
Don't judge me.
别评判我。
It was late.
已经很晚了。
I feel like there were maybe 20 seals on the sand.
我感觉沙滩上大概有 20 只海豹。
And I sat down next to the small one.
我在小家伙旁边坐下。
He looked up at me and I reached out with my hand and then he totally leaned into it with his neck, like a cat, and I thought, oh, rad.
他抬头看着我，我伸出手，然后他像猫一样用脖子完全靠在我的手上，我想，哦，太棒了。
The seals like us.
海豹和我们一样。
Then I went away to college to become a marine biologist.
然后我去上大学，成为一名海洋生物学家。
It didn't work out.
但没有成功。
Then a whole bunch of other stuff didn't work out, either, and I moved away.
然后一大堆其他事情也没有解决，我就搬走了。
And when I came back years later, the Children's Pool was a very different place.
几年后当我回来时，儿童游泳池是一个非常不同的地方。
Get off the beach!
离开海滩！
Crowd Get off the beach!
人群离开海滩！
Get off the beach!
离开海滩！
Crowd Get off the beach!
人群离开海滩！
Get off the beach!
离开海滩！
James Spring The beach is only 150 feet wide and by the winter of 2010, it was covered with seals.
James Spring 海滩只有 150 英尺宽，到 2010 年冬天，这里已经布满了海豹。
They'd pretty much taken over half the sand and established a permanent rookery here.
他们几乎占据了一半的沙子，并在这里建立了永久的栖息地。
That's what it's called-- a rookery.
这就是所谓的——鸦巢。
It's where they give birth and nurse their pups.
这是它们分娩和哺乳幼崽的地方。
And people loved to come here and sunbathe and swim and take selfies with the seals.
人们喜欢来这里晒日光浴、游泳、与海豹合影。
And everybody seemed happy.
每个人看起来都很高兴。
Except for this one group of activists that believe that humans shouldn't be on the beach at all.
除了这一群激进分子之外，他们认为人类根本不应该出现在海滩上。
That it was bad for the seals.
这对海豹不利。
Some of them wore these matching blue shirts and they had laminated badges.
他们中的一些人穿着配套的蓝色衬衫，并佩戴层压徽章。
They looked official.
他们看起来很正式。
They'd patrol the sand, calling themselves docents, like in a museum.
他们会在沙滩上巡逻，称自己为讲解员，就像在博物馆里一样。
But they were really there to discourage people from putting down their towels and coolers.
但他们实际上是为了阻止人们放下毛巾和冷却器。
They'd tell visitors that the seals needed to be left alone.
他们会告诉游客，需要不要打扰这些海豹。
Then they'd try to shame them into leaving, or at least keeping their distance.
然后他们会试图羞辱他们离开，或者至少保持距离。
No, it's not OK to harass the seals.
不，骚扰海豹是不行的。
It's against the law.
这是违法的。
That is not harassing the seals.
那不是骚扰海豹。
He can go on the sand.
他可以在沙滩上行走。
I can go on the sand.
我可以在沙滩上行走。
The activists set up camp on a sidewalk at the top of the steep steps leading down to the sand.
活动人士在通往沙滩的陡峭台阶顶部的人行道上扎营。
They just had a folding table with signs and flyers and they would yell down at anybody they thought was too close to the harbor seals.
他们只有一张折叠桌，上面有标语和传单，他们会对任何他们认为离斑海豹太近的人大喊大叫。
They also used video cameras to document people getting close to the animals and then they'd upload the videos to YouTube and Facebook, like the ones you're listening to right now.
他们还使用摄像机记录人们与动物的亲密接触，然后将视频上传到 YouTube 和 Facebook，就像您现在正在收听的视频一样。
Get that off the beach!
把它从海滩上拿走！
Come on!
快点！
Let the seals get up there.
让海豹爬到那里。
Brian Pease is one of the leaders of the seal activists.
布莱恩·皮斯 (Brian Pease) 是海豹活动人士的领导人之一。
But he's not one of the yelley ones.
但他不是那些黄人之一。
He's more deliberate.
他比较刻意。
An attorney who founded the Animal Protection and Rescue League after he moved here 12 years ago.
一位律师，12年前搬到这里后创立了动物保护和救援联盟。
At that time, there were news reports that people had been seen stabbing seals and burning them with their cigarette butts and things like that.
当时有新闻报道说有人用烟头之类的东西刺伤海豹并焚烧它们。
Some really extreme stuff that people had claimed to have witnessed.
人们声称亲眼目睹了一些非常极端的事情。
I don't know that any of that was actually substantiated but this was the climate at the time.
我不知道这些是否真的得到证实，但这就是当时的气候。
It had been in the media that this was occurring.
媒体报道了这种情况的发生。
So the first time I went there was actually at night.
所以我第一次去那里实际上是在晚上。
And I remember there was a guy who went up to the seals and started just dancing around and just annoying them.
我记得有一个人走到海豹身边，开始跳舞，惹恼了它们。
And then the seals left.
然后海豹就离开了。
They flushed into the water.
他们冲进水里。
Flushed is actually a scientific word.
脸红实际上是一个科学词。
When the seals get scared, they all do this sort of wiggle stampede back into the water.
当海豹感到害怕时，它们都会以这种扭动的方式逃回水中。
Biologists call it flushing.
生物学家称之为潮红。
And to Bryan and the other seal activists, flushing the seals is abuse, especially during the pupping season, when the mothers are nursing their young.
对于布莱恩和其他海豹活动人士来说，冲洗海豹是一种虐待，尤其是在幼崽季节，当海豹妈妈们正在哺乳它们的孩子时。
If you flush them, it's interfering with their biological-- it'd be like if you were sleeping and somebody came in and shook you awake and told you to leave your house or something.
如果你冲洗它们，就会干扰它们的生物功能——就像你正在睡觉，有人进来把你摇醒，并告诉你离开你的房子或其他什么。
It's just disruptive.
这只是破坏性的。
And it's never an extreme thing, where somebody is running up and they start clubbing a seal or something like that.
这从来都不是一件极端的事情，有人跑过来，然后开始用棍棒殴打海豹或类似的东西。
It's more like this incremental-- people want to-- well, how close can I get?
它更像是这种渐进式的——人们想要——嗯，我能达到多接近？
And they want-- they keep itching forward.
他们想要——他们不断渴望前进。
And you're just thinking, oh, just a couple more minutes, they're going to flush all the seals away.
你只是在想，哦，再过几分钟，他们就会冲走所有的密封件。
And you're just waiting for this to happen and you know it's going to happen.
你只是在等待这一切的发生，并且你知道它会发生。
And it always does happen.
而且它总是会发生。
Here they go.
他们来了。
Woman 2 You're harassing the seals.
女人 2 你在骚扰海豹。
Flushing the seals is also illegal.
冲洗密封件也是违法的。
It's a violation of the Marine Mammal Protection Act, a federal law that prohibits the hunting and harassment of any marine mammal.
这违反了《海洋哺乳动物保护法》，该法是一项禁止狩猎和骚扰任何海洋哺乳动物的联邦法律。
That part about harassment, though, is where interpretations seem to vary.
不过，关于骚扰的部分似乎有不同的解释。
Because when the seals flushed, they always came back.
因为当海豹被冲走时，它们总是会回来。
The harbor seal rookery here was thriving.
这里的斑海豹栖息地十分繁盛。
Most people liked the seals.
大多数人都喜欢海豹。
Locals had been sharing this beach with them for 20 years.
当地人与他们共享这片海滩已经有 20 年了。
But now these activists were walking around with megaphones, telling everybody that they couldn't be down on the sand or in the water, yelling.
但现在这些活动人士拿着扩音器四处走动，告诉每个人他们不能趴在沙滩上或水中大喊大叫。
And if anybody disagreed with the activists or their methods, they were branded seal haters.
如果有人不同意活动人士或他们的方法，他们就会被贴上海豹仇恨者的标签。
Some of the locals began to talk about how to best handle this.
一些当地人开始讨论如何最好地处理这个问题。
They decided to form their own group, set up their own tables at the beach with their own flyers and banners.
他们决定组建自己的团体，在海滩上摆出自己的桌子，贴上自己的传单和横幅。
Their goal in all of this was just to make sure that the beach stayed open to people, that they could keep sharing it with the seals.
他们所有这一切的目标只是确保海滩对人们保持开放，他们可以继续与海豹共享海滩。
And these newly minted "shared use" advocates-- they were done taking orders from the seal activists.
这些新成立的“共享使用”倡导者——他们已经不再听从海豹活动人士的命令了。
So if you happened to show up at the beach on a Saturday with your kids and a picnic basket, you would see the two opposing sides-- pro-seal and shared use.
因此，如果您周六碰巧带着孩子和野餐篮出现在海滩上，您会看到两个对立的方面——支持密封和共享使用。
And they were ready to rumble.
他们已经准备好隆隆作响了。
The city council actually voted to close this beach during pupping season, which is--
市议会实际上投票决定在幼崽季节关闭这个海滩，那就是——
This is that pro-seal attorney guy, Bryan Pease.
这是支持海豹突击队的律师布莱恩·皮斯。
And you can make donations.
您可以捐款。
You can sign up for our email list.
您可以注册我们的电子邮件列表。
You can buy a t-shirt or a seal toy.
你可以买一件T恤或者一个海豹玩具。
All these other booths that are set up here are either here just to make money-- that's the tie-dye booth.
这里设立的所有其他摊位要么只是为了赚钱——那就是扎染摊位。
Or, in the case of this booth in the corner over here, are actually here to oppose the seals.
或者，就这里角落里的这个摊位而言，实际上是在这里反对海豹突击队。
We're opposing you.
我们反对你。
Bryan Pease They're selling--
布莱恩·皮斯 他们在卖——
We're opposing you.
我们反对你。
Woman You know you sound stupid.
女人 你知道你听起来很蠢。
We're opposing you.
我们反对你。
Woman That is so stupid.
女人真是太蠢了。
We are opposing you.
我们反对你。
Woman Look at you.
女人看看你。
Look how stupid you look.
看看你的样子有多蠢。
This is how it usually went down.
通常情况就是这样。
Talking led to yelling and the yelling led to just a cacophonous din of outrage.
谈话引发了大喊大叫，而大喊大叫又引发了愤怒的刺耳喧闹。
It seemed like everybody in San Diego took a hard-line stance and they all fell into one of these two camps.
圣地亚哥的每个人似乎都采取了强硬立场，他们都属于这两个阵营之一。
Both sides dished out a lot of propaganda.
双方都进行了大量宣传。
The shared use people would say that the seals were never in any jeopardy-- that the activists' crusade was nothing but an elaborate scam.
共同使用的人会说，这些封印从未处于任何危险之中——活动人士的讨伐只不过是一场精心设计的骗局。
Here's a shared use guy talking into the camera of a seal activist.
这是一名共用人员对着一名海豹活动家的镜头说话。
What are you saving them from?
你救他们脱离什么？
No response.
没有回应。
What are you saving him from?
你救他做什么？
This is a seal "crookery," as far as I'm concerned.
就我而言，这是海豹的“骗局”。
You are here stealing money from tourists.
你在这里偷游客的钱。
You're conning them out of their hard-earned money that they come here on vacation with.
你是在骗取他们来这里度假的血汗钱。
And claiming to say that you're saving seals.
并声称你正在拯救海豹。
This was a common claim made by the shared use people-- that the whole pro-seal movement was just a way to rake in a bunch of cash.
这是共用者的普遍说法——整个支持海豹运动只是一种捞取大笔现金的方式。
Bryan Pease, the pro-seal guy who started the Animal Protection and Rescue League, says that the money collected through donations was barely enough to hire a nighttime security guard.
支持海豹的布莱恩·皮斯 (Bryan Pease) 是动物保护和救援联盟的发起人，他表示，通过捐款筹集的资金勉强够雇一名夜间保安。
But the other part is kind of true.
但另一部分是真实的。
The seals were not endangered.
海豹没有受到威胁。
In fact, on the International List of Threatened Species, harbor seals are classified as a species of least concern-- the exact same designation that's given to the common pigeon and to the house rat.
事实上，在《国际受威胁物种名录》中，斑海豹被列为最不受关注的物种——与普通鸽子和家鼠的名称完全相同。
But the rallying chant of most seal activists was that shared use is abuse-- any shared use.
但大多数海豹活动人士的口号是，共享使用就是滥用——任何共享使用。
And that the shared use people were animal haters-- that they just wanted the seals gone.
共同使用的人都是动物仇恨者——他们只是希望海豹消失。
But if you actually talked to a shared use advocate, they'd tell you something different.
但如果你真的和共享使用倡导者交谈过，他们会告诉你一些不同的东西。
Oh, I never had any problems with the seals.
哦，我的密封件从来没有遇到过任何问题。
I never had any problems with the seals.
我的密封件从来没有遇到过任何问题。
This is Kent Trego.
这是肯特·特雷戈。
He's a consultant at Coastal Environments and he started a research based organization called the Nautilus Oceanic Institute.
他是沿海环境公司的顾问，并创办了一个名为鹦鹉螺海洋研究所的研究组织。
He's published more than 50 scientific papers.
他发表了 50 多篇科学论文。
He also swam at the Children's Pool as a kid back in the 1960s.
20 世纪 60 年代，他小时候还曾在儿童泳池游泳。
He's been sort of a voice of reason for the shared use side.
他一直是共享使用方的理性声音。
Everybody that I know likes the animals.
我认识的每个人都喜欢动物。
The divers enjoy swimming with them.
潜水员喜欢和他们一起游泳。
But they're making a fuss for whatever.
但他们却在为任何事情大惊小怪。
And they're disturbing the peace.
他们正在扰乱和平。
They're violating people's civil rights by harassing them in a public area.
他们在公共场所骚扰人们，侵犯了人们的公民权利。
Tourist stuff-- they don't want to listen to that.
旅游的东西——他们不想听。
They don't want to hear that.
他们不想听到这个。
They don't want kids seeing that.
他们不希望孩子们看到这一点。
You could draw a similar situation and a similar argument.
你可以得出类似的情况和类似的论点。
Let's say there is a public park you took your kids to and somebody came along and said, you people can't be here.
假设您带孩子去了一个公园，有人走过来说，你们不能在这里。
This is the rare something-something ground squirrel habitat and you're bothering them.
这是地松鼠罕见的栖息地，而你打扰了它们。
You'd probably go, are you out of your mind?
你可能会走，你疯了吗？
This is a public park.
这是一个公园。
Maybe there is an issue, but they're spewing all this and being antagonistic towards you or your kids.
也许确实存在问题，但他们会大肆宣扬这些，并对你或你的孩子表现出敌意。
Down there-- one day I was there.
在那里——有一天我在那里。
I was talking to this one guy and this little girl.
我正在和这个男人和这个小女孩说话。
She's got to be six.
她已经六岁了。
His daughter comes around crying.
他的女儿哭着走过来。
And she said, that man came after me.
她说，那个男人来追我。
She points to this guy--
她指着这个人——
A pro-seal activist.
一位支持海豹突击队的积极分子。
Kent Trego This guy-- he's running up the beach and says, keep your kid away from seals.
肯特·特雷戈（Kent Trego）这个人——他跑到海滩上说，让你的孩子远离海豹。
I'm watching this and I'm going, who the hell is this guy?
我看着这个，我就想，这个人到底是谁？
The father is incensed and he's yelling at the guy, what are doing around my daughter?
父亲很生气，他对那家伙大喊大叫，我女儿在做什么？
And she was-- she was terrified.
她——她很害怕。
She was screaming.
她在尖叫。
It was that kind of incident where it just shocks you.
正是这样的事件让你感到震惊。
You don't see that thing.
你看不到那个东西。
And there's a guy chasing a child?
还有一个人在追孩子？
There were definitely times when you'd see kids in the videos walk right up to the seals and try to pet them.
有时候你会在视频中看到孩子们径直走向海豹并试图抚摸它们。
And the pro-seal activists would lose their minds.
支持海豹突击队的活动人士将会失去理智。
Get your kid in check!
让你的孩子检查一下！
Whoever's kid is in the pink!
谁的孩子就是粉红的！
Keep them away from the seals!
让他们远离海豹！
Relax.
放松。
James Spring As the years dragged on, more and more of these confrontations were ending up in court.
詹姆斯·斯普林 随着时间的流逝，越来越多的对抗最终以法庭告终。
And Bryan Pease began to spend a lot of his time there defending pro-seal activists who'd been arrested or had been issued citations.
布莱恩·皮斯 (Bryan Pease) 开始花大量时间为那些被捕或被传唤的支持海豹突击队的活动人士辩护。
He was also bringing civil cases against the other side-- shared use advocates who'd been arrested during confrontations with pro-seal folks.
他还对另一方提起民事诉讼——在与海豹拥护者的对抗中被捕的共享使用倡导者。
At a certain point, he stopped going to the Children's Pool altogether.
从某个时候起，他就完全不再去儿童泳池了。
He says it just stressed him out too much.
他说这让他压力太大了。
I tried to stay out of most of it.
我试图置身事外。
Sometimes I'd be down there, but generally, it's not very productive to be engaging in shouting matches with people that just don't agree with you.
有时我会在那里，但一般来说，与那些不同意你观点的人进行争吵并不是很有成效。
It's why they call it the Children's Pool because it's where adults go to act like children.
这就是为什么他们称其为儿童泳池，因为成年人可以在这里像孩子一样玩耍。
Kent Trego, our marine sciencey, shared use guy, didn't engage in all the fighting, either.
肯特·特雷戈（Kent Trego），我们的海洋科学、共享人员，也没有参与所有的战斗。
He just tried to educate the public with a little logic and some biology 101.
他只是试图用一点逻辑和一些生物学来教育公众101。
And he went about it in sort of a quaint, bygone way that he hoped might rise above the shouts of the angry mob.
他以一种古怪的、过时的方式处理这件事，他希望这种方式能够掩盖愤怒暴民的叫喊声。
He wrote letters to the local editors.
他给当地编辑写了信。
The papers printed the letters with Kent's name and his title.
报纸上印着肯特的名字和头衔。
And then the hate mail started to roll in-- threatening phone calls and emails-- by Kent's count, more than 200 of them.
然后仇恨邮件开始滚滚而来——威胁电话和电子邮件——据 Kent 统计，有 200 多封。
Yeah, they were anonymous.
是的，他们是匿名的。
We know who you are.
我们知道你是谁。
We know you want to get rid of the seals.
我们知道您想摆脱海豹。
That's what people would say to me.
这就是人们会对我说的。
That's what certain people would say to me.
这就是某些人会对我说的话。
We know you're in a plot and that the city's involved.
我们知道你卷入了一场阴谋，而且整个城市都参与其中。
I don't know if they're kidding or if they got problems-- if they're drunk.
我不知道他们是在开玩笑还是遇到了问题——如果他们喝醉了。
If they're on drugs.
如果他们吸毒的话。
I don't know.
我不知道。
How did you respond to that?
你对此有何反应？
Kent Trego You don't respond.
肯特·特雷戈 你没有回应。
You don't-- you're not supposed to-- what I was told by my attorney and other people-- you don't talk to those people.
你不——你不应该——我的律师和其他人告诉我的——你不和那些人说话。
If there's an incident like that, you report it to the police.
如果发生类似事件，请向警方报告。
And the police got called a lot.
警察也接到了很多电话。
And then they get tired of coming down there.
然后他们就厌倦了去那里。
At the height of the conflict in 2013, the San Diego police department responded to 227 calls at the Children's Pool.
2013 年冲突最激烈时，圣地亚哥警察局在儿童泳池接到了 227 个报警电话。
And it seems like neither camp was really consulting the dictionary before they tossed around words like abuse and harassment and assault.
似乎两个阵营在使用辱骂、骚扰和攻击等词语之前都没有真正查阅过字典。
In one video, a cop arrives on the scene to find a shared use lady in her 60s and a Middle Eastern guy holding a skateboard and a camera.
在一段视频中，一名警察到达现场，发现一名 60 多岁的共用女士和一名拿着滑板和相机的中东男子。
The lady's saying that the seal activists are blocking her from sitting on a bench.
这位女士说，海豹活动人士阻止她坐在长凳上。
And the skater's filming it and she just glancingly brushes the camera away.
滑冰者正在拍摄它，但她只是扫视了相机。
And the cop's watching all this happen.
而警察正看着这一切发生。
Ma'am, if you assault him-- Man She touched me.
女士，如果你袭击他——她碰了我。
Yeah, I saw that.
是的，我看到了。
And it was-- I know it was brutal.
我知道这很残酷。
I know the way she touched you was brutal.
我知道她触碰你的方式是残酷的。
You're in pain.
你很痛苦。
Yes, I am in pain.
是的，我很痛苦。
Cop You're doing fine.
警察 你做得很好。
Now just try to relax there.
现在试着在那里放松一下。
I'm trying.
我想。
Woman I touched his arm to get the camera out of my face.
女人 我碰了碰他的手臂，把相机从我脸上拿开。
I find it very intimidating to have a camera in my face.
我觉得相机对着我的脸很吓人。
This is all very childish, in my opinion.
在我看来，这一切都非常幼稚。
It really is.
确实如此。
It's very childish.
这是非常幼稚的。
It's a loss.
这是一种损失。
Give up.
放弃。
Cop I said very childish.
警察我说得很幼稚。
Have you got that on camera?
你用相机拍到了吗？
Everybody was filming everybody.
每个人都在拍摄每个人。
It was like a stand off with camcorders and cell phones.
这就像一场与摄像机和手机的对峙。
A bunch of videos just show a close up of a face holding a video camera pointing right back, filling the frame.
一堆视频只显示了一张脸部特写，手持摄像机指向后方，填满了整个画面。
It's like the worst art film of all time.
这就像有史以来最糟糕的艺术电影。
Like in this video, a shared use guy is being all pushy with his camera.
就像在这段视频中一样，一个共用的人对他的相机非常咄咄逼人。
Can you say what you just said out loud?
你能大声说出你刚才说的话吗？
Why do you talk under your breath?
你为什么低声说话？
Can you please stay-- Man Speak a bit louder so I can get a recording.
你能留下来吗--伙计，大声一点，这样我就可以录音了。
Could you please stay back from me?
你能离我远点吗？
I really feel like you're invading my privacy right now.
我真的觉得你现在侵犯了我的隐私。
Stay back.
退后一步。
You're annoying us and invading our privacy and I'm asking you politely now to move away.
你打扰了我们并侵犯了我们的隐私，我现在礼貌地请你离开。
You're almost touching me.
你快要碰我了。
You're less than a foot away.
你距离我们不到一英尺。
I'm just here to record what she's telling the public.
我只是来记录她对公众所说的话。
The two sides became so fixated on their hatred for each other that in a lot of videos, they don't even mention the seals.
双方对彼此的仇恨如此之深，以至于在很多视频中，他们甚至没有提到海豹突击队。
One morning, it's cold and foggy on the beach, and a 70-year-old pro-seal activist just has had enough of a shared use guy who's filming her and she charges right up to his camera.
一天早上，海滩上寒冷多雾，一位 70 岁的支持海豹活动人士刚刚受够了一个正在拍摄她的共用人，她径直冲向他的相机。
So you're spitting on me now, huh?
所以你现在向我吐口水，是吗？
That's battery.
那是电池。
You're harassing me.
你在骚扰我。
Man You spit on me.
伙计，你向我吐口水。
No, you spit on me right in the forehead.
不，你吐口水在我额头上。
Poor boy.
可怜的男孩。
James Spring At a certain point, the factions had been battling so long that they knew each other by name, knew where each other lived and worked.
詹姆斯·斯普林（James Spring） 在某个时刻，各派系之间的斗争已经持续了很长时间，以至于他们都知道对方的名字，知道对方生活和工作的地方。
And the attacks were becoming more personal, the threats more vicious.
而且攻击变得更加针对个人，威胁也更加恶毒。
Back away from us right now, you disgusting little turd.
赶紧滚开，你这个恶心的小混蛋。
And you're a fucking bitch.
而你就是个该死的婊子。
Woman Piss off.
女人滚蛋。
Yeah?
是的？
Want to kill me?
想杀我吗？
Why don't you give it a try?
你为什么不尝试一下呢？
Why don't you give it a try?
你为什么不尝试一下呢？
Don't let me catch you in an alley some time.
别让我有时在小巷里抓住你。
Oh, really?
哦真的吗？
How about it?
怎么样？
James Spring People on the shared use side had always accused the seal activists of valuing the lives of animals over people.
詹姆斯·斯普林（James Spring）共享使用一方的人们一直指责海豹活动人士将动物的生命看得比人的生命更重要。
And now, the sentiment began to ring more true.
现在，这种情绪开始变得更加真实。
This one's a little hard to hear.
这句话有点难听。
Don't get too close to the seals or I'll make your life miserable.
别离海豹太近，否则我会让你的生活变得悲惨。
He said, "don't get too close to the seals or I'll make your life miserable."
他说：“不要离海豹太近，否则我会让你的生活变得悲惨。”
I'll bring my guns here.
我会把枪带到这里。
James Spring "I'll bring my guns here."
詹姆斯·斯普林“我会把枪带到这里。”
I'll fuck you all up.
我会让你们都操蛋的。
James Spring And "I'll fuck you all up." Throughout this war, the pro-seal camp had a unique weapon on their side-- the power of the federal government.
詹姆斯·斯普林和“我要操死你们。”在这场战争中，海豹派阵营拥有一个独特的武器——联邦政府的力量。
And at some point, they really began to brandish it.
在某个时刻，他们真的开始挥舞它。
The feds could arrest or issue citations to anyone who violates the Marine Mammal Protection Act.
联邦政府可以逮捕任何违反海洋哺乳动物保护法的人或对其发出传票。
So the seal activists would film people as they harassed the seals or drove them from the beach.
因此，海豹活动人士会拍摄人们骚扰海豹或将它们赶出海滩的过程。
These are the lads that went for the swim.
这些是去游泳的小伙子。
And then they would keep the camera rolling and they'd get all shaky--
然后他们会继续拍摄，他们会浑身颤抖——
Cover your license plate.
盖住你的车牌。
James Spring --as they chased the lawbreakers all the way back to their car.
詹姆斯·斯普林——他们一路追赶违法者回到他们的车上。
Cover your license plate.
盖住你的车牌。
James Spring --to record their license plate.
詹姆斯·斯普林——记录他们的车牌。
Oh, I got it.
哦，我明白了。
James Spring And then when they had it, the activists would turn over the video to the National Marine Fisheries Service and the feds would issue fines of $500 to anybody who made the seals flush.
詹姆斯·斯普林 (James Spring) 然后，活动人士拿到该视频后，会将视频移交给国家海洋渔业局，联邦政府将对任何使海豹冲水的人处以 500 美元的罚款。
It was an incident like this one that brought the seal war to one of its darkest hours.
正是这样的事件，将海豹战争推向了最黑暗的时刻之一。
Read this all.
阅读这一切。
Bryan Pease I guess I was the first one who read it.
布莱恩·皮斯（Bryan Pease） 我想我是第一个读到它的人。
One day, Bryan Pease received an email that was addressed to one of his volunteers.
有一天，布莱恩·皮斯收到一封电子邮件，是写给他的一位志愿者的。
It was a threat.
这是一个威胁。
The volunteer, a young woman who's identified only as "witness" in the federal court documents, had filmed the license plate of a pair of scuba divers who'd flushed some seals when they came up on the beach.
这名志愿者是一名年轻女子，在联邦法院文件中仅被称为“证人”，她拍摄了两名水肺潜水员的车牌，这两名潜水员在海滩上冲走了一些海豹。
Bryan read me the email.
布莱恩读了我的电子邮件。
OK.
好的。
"Two divers that used the Children's Pool in September have been cited by federal wildlife marshals for disturbing the seals.
“两名九月份使用儿童泳池的潜水员因骚扰海豹而被联邦野生动物执法人员传唤。
Witness was apparently the one who turned them in.
目击者显然就是举报他们的人。
The problem is, now, that revenge will be taken out on witness."
现在的问题是，复仇将在证人的见证下进行。”
The email continues, "Many of the local divers have close friends in the California motorcycle clubs.
电子邮件继续说道：“许多当地潜水员在加州摩托车俱乐部都有亲密的朋友。
Motorcycle club members have been contacted about witness and she will be dealt with very harshly, if she is not killed.
已联系摩托车俱乐部成员询问目击者，如果她没有被杀，她将受到非常严厉的处理。
They know that if she's not in San Diego, she may be found in San Francisco.
他们知道，如果她不在圣地亚哥，就可能在旧金山找到她。
Either San Diego or Oakland hit hogs will be involved in her punishment.
圣地亚哥或奥克兰的生猪都将参与她的惩罚。
She's brought this on herself." And then it's signed "Biker Bobbie," with an I-E.
这是她自找的。”然后上面写着“Biker Bobbie”和一个 I-E。
Probably the least threatening Hell's Angels nickname of all time, but still.
可能是地狱天使有史以来威胁最小的绰号，但仍然如此。
Was your coll-- was the woman who was threatened-- was she scared?
你的同事——那个受到威胁的女人——她害怕吗？
Oh, she was terrified.
哦，她很害怕。
Yeah.
是的。
And I know her mother, who is also involved in the pro-seal protection campaign.
我认识她的母亲，她也参与了海豹保护运动。
And she had said that they were-- their whole family was scared for quite a while.
她说过他们——他们全家都害怕了很长一段时间。
So it was pretty serious.
所以事情非常严重。
Biker Bobbie emailed two other threats to the Animal Protection and Rescue League.
骑车人鲍比向动物保护和救援联盟发送了另外两封威胁邮件。
In one, he threatened to burn down the organization's storefront and to bomb a coffee shop.
在其中一封信中，他威胁要烧毁该组织的店面并炸毁一家咖啡店。
Bryan Pease turned the emails over to authorities.
布莱恩·皮斯将这些电子邮件转交给当局。
The female volunteer-- the one who was singled out with the death threat-- the one who'd sent the video of the two scuba divers to the National Marine Fisheries Service-- she was considered a federal witness.
那位女性志愿者——那个受到死亡威胁的人——那个将两名水肺潜水员的视频发送给国家海洋渔业局的人——她被认为是联邦证人。
And threatening a federal witness is a federal crime so the FBI got involved.
威胁联邦证人属于联邦犯罪，因此联邦调查局介入。
They tracked the email sender's IP address to a public library about five blocks away from the Children's Pool.
他们追踪到电子邮件发件人的 IP 地址到距儿童泳池约五个街区的公共图书馆。
The feds had Biker Bobbie in the crosshairs.
联邦调查局将骑车人鲍比列为目标。
Now, what he did was he went to the public library and he had an account called-- it was [email protected] .
现在，他所做的就是去公共图书馆，他有一个名为的帐户 - 这是[电子邮件受保护]。
And then he would log in to his personal account two seconds later.
然后两秒后，他就登录了自己的个人账户。
So that's how they caught him.
所以他们就是这样抓住他的。
And when they confronted the author of the emails, it turned out he was not an actual biker, nor was he a Bobbie.
当他们质问电子邮件的作者时，发现他并不是真正的骑车人，也不是鲍比。
He was a scientist.
他是一位科学家。
Yeah, I sent them.
是的，我寄给他们的。
Yeah.
是的。
I sent them out of anger.
我出于愤怒而派他们去。
It was our marine science guy, Kent Trego.
这是我们的海洋科学家 Kent Trego。
I regretted it.
我后悔了。
I regretted it after I did it.
做了之后我就后悔了。
It just built up on me.
它只是建立在我身上。
And it was just one of those moments.
这只是其中之一。
But it was all words.
但这都是言语。
There was never any-- never any intentions to hurt anybody.
从来没有任何——从来没有任何伤害任何人的意图。
Kent remembers being at the Children's Pool on that day when the seal activist filmed the license plate of his two scuba diver pals.
肯特记得那天在儿童泳池，海豹活动家拍摄了他两个水肺潜水员朋友的车牌。
But he says he doesn't remember much else.
但他说他不记得其他的事情了。
He couldn't tell me any details from that day.
他无法告诉我那天的任何细节。
Says he can't remember what he wrote in the emails.
说他不记得自己在电子邮件中写了什么。
Even talking about it now-- it makes him squirm pretty good.
即使现在谈论这件事——也会让他感到局促不安。
It wasn't meant to be a real threat or anything like that.
这并不是真正的威胁或类似的东西。
Obviously, the person receiving it on the other side would take it a little differently, I guess.
显然，我想，另一边收到它的人会有不同的看法。
The plan, I'm guessing, was just to scare them back-- to brush them back.
我猜这个计划只是为了吓退他们——把他们吓回去。
But I didn't even-- I didn't even-- as far as I recall, the content wasn't even meant to scare anybody.
但我什至没有——我什至没有——据我记得，这些内容甚至不是为了吓唬任何人。
It was just more of a-- just a reaction.
这更多的是——只是一种反应。
You were pretty direct about some stuff.
你对某些事情很直接。
Yeah, like I said, I don't remember what I said.
是的，就像我说的，我不记得我说了什么。
But I shouldn't have said it.
但我不应该这么说。
But no, I didn't have any intention of hurting anybody.
但不，我无意伤害任何人。
It's not a common sense reaction.
这不是常识反应。
Things started to come into sharper focus after he was arrested by federal agents as he walked back to his car from the beach.
当他从海滩走回车时被联邦特工逮捕后，事情开始变得更加清晰。
Kent pled guilty to the charge of threatening a federal witness.
肯特承认威胁联邦证人的指控。
He served four and a half months in federal prison and then another six months of house arrest.
他在联邦监狱服刑四个半月，然后又被软禁六个月。
He was banned from using a computer for a couple of years and ordered to stay away from the Children's Pool.
他被禁止使用电脑几年，并被勒令远离儿童游泳池。
He took full responsibility for his actions.
他对自己的行为承担全部责任。
He apologized to the victim in court.
他在法庭上向受害人道歉。
He sent a letter of apology to the Animal Protection and Rescue League.
他向动物保护和救援联盟发出了一封道歉信。
I tried to push Kent for details-- for an explanation-- just why he did it.
我试图向肯特询问细节——寻求解释——以及他为什么这么做。
Was there a chain of events?
是否存在一系列事件？
A final straw?
最后一根稻草？
He couldn't really give me a clear reason.
他实在无法给我一个明确的理由。
I guess, just wanted-- felt like you wanted to get even for some reason or whatever, or do something.
我想，只是想要——感觉你想要因为某种原因或其他什么而报复，或者做某事。
I do know because I'm a human being.
我确实知道，因为我是一个人。
And really, who hasn't taken things a step or two further than maybe they should have?
说实话，谁没有比他们应该做的更进一步一两步呢？
Like one time-- I've got this neighbor.
就像有一次——我有这样的邻居。
He's a half block away from me.
他离我有半个街区。
And on hot summer days, he'd blast his music really loud and it was always Alice in Chains, a band that I used to love before this.
在炎热的夏天，他会大声播放音乐，而且总是爱丽丝囚徒乐队，这是我之前很喜欢的一支乐队。
Anyway, my daughter Addie-- she was less than two-- 18 months.
不管怎样，我的女儿艾迪——她还不到两岁——18个月了。
And she was a light sleeper.
而且她睡眠很浅。
And it was already hard to get her down for naps.
而且要让她小睡已经很困难了。
And then Alice in Chains would start rattling the neighborhood.
然后《爱丽丝囚徒》就会开始让邻居们感到不安。
Addie starts crying, so I run to the neighbor's house and pound on the door.
艾迪开始哭泣，所以我跑到邻居家并敲门。
The guy doesn't answer so I call the cops.
那家伙没有回答，所以我打电话给警察。
They show up and shut the neighbor down.
他们出现并关闭了邻居。
The next day, same thing.
第二天，同样的事情。
It happened, like, six more times.
这样的事又发生了六次。
Eventually, the cops stopped responding and nobody else seemed to care.
最终，警察不再回应，其他人似乎也不在乎。
And the sound blasting out of the neighbor's stereo made something come loose inside me.
邻居音响里传出的声音让我内心有些不安。
I went to my bedroom and unlocked my gun case and I loaded a revolver.
我走进卧室，打开枪箱，装入一把左轮手枪。
And I walked out in my backyard to the corner closest to the music and bam, bam, bam, bam.
我走到后院，走到离音乐最近的角落，嘭，嘭，嘭，嘭。
I fired four shots into the dirt.
我向泥土开了四枪。
My wife is screaming at me and it hits me all at once.
我的妻子正在对我尖叫，这让我一下子受到了打击。
I'm the guy who's terrorizing the neighborhood.
我就是那个恐吓邻居的人。
My wife didn't speak to me for a week.
我妻子已经一周没有和我说话了。
So I get it.
所以我明白了。
Everybody has their limits.
每个人都有自己的极限。
All of us.
我们所有人。
Tell me about the stun gun.
告诉我关于电击枪的事。
Bryan Pease Well, that.
布莱恩·皮斯 嗯，就是这样。
Yeah.
是的。
I'm happy to talk about that.
我很高兴谈论这个。
I'm so sick of talking about it that I didn't bring it up.
我厌倦了谈论这件事，所以我没有提起它。
But you guys have turned over every rock in this.
但你们已经把这件事上的每一块石头都翻了。
Yep.
是的。
Even our animal-protecting, confrontation-avoiding attorney, Brian Pease.
甚至我们的动物保护、避免对抗的律师布莱恩·皮斯（Brian Pease）也是如此。
One of his fellow seal activists-- a woman-- had been raking seaweed one day at the Children's Pool, trying to create a mound or a barrier so she could tell visitors to stay behind it.
他的一位海豹保护活动同伴——一位女士——有一天在儿童泳池里耙海藻，试图建造一个土堆或障碍物，这样她就可以告诉游客留在后面。
And there was this 55-year-old shared use guy who was kicking away the seaweed line and just being a jerk.
还有一个 55 岁的共用人，他踢开了海藻绳，简直就是个混蛋。
She called me and told me that he's drunk.
她打电话给我，告诉我他喝醉了。
He's harassing the seals.
他正在骚扰海豹们。
He's harassing her.
他在骚扰她。
Can you do something?
你能做点什么吗？
So I said, all right, I'm going to come down there.
所以我说，好吧，我要到那里去。
And I brought this thing for protection.
我带这个东西是为了保护。
This thing, being the stun gun.
这个东西，就是电击枪。
Now, Brian went out of his way to explain that it wasn't technically a stun gun.
现在，布莱恩特意解释说，从技术上讲，这并不是一把电击枪。
This point was really important to him.
这一点对他来说确实很重要。
Says he had an expert witness declare it not a stun gun.
说他有一位专家证人宣称这不是电击枪。
But it says stun gun on the package and that's how the newspapers reported it.
但包裹上写着电击枪，报纸就是这样报道的。
In any case, when he got down to the beach, the seaweed kicker confronted him.
无论如何，当他到达海滩时，海藻踢球者与他对峙。
And then I'm standing near where this kelp line is.
然后我站在这条海带线附近。
And he's just going back and forth from the kelp and then dumping it in the water.
他只是从海带中来回移动，然后将其倒入水中。
And then he comes back, picks up another two handfuls full of kelp and he goes, oh, you want some of this?
然后他回来，又抓起两把海带，然后说，哦，你想要一些吗？
And he just slings it right in my face-- just whips it right at me.
他就直接把它扔到我脸上——直接朝我鞭打。
That's when I pulled out the device, which I now know is not a stun gun, but it was a deterrent device.
就在那时，我拿出了这个装置，我现在知道它不是电击枪，而是一种威慑装置。
And I did try to-- I pushed him back with it.
我确实尝试过——我用它把他推了回来。
He admitted in the police report that he was not shocked through his thick sweatshirt.
他在警方报告中承认，透过厚厚的运动衫，他并没有感到震惊。
You brought this device down there?
你把这个装置带到那里了？
You had a reason and then you felt emboldened enough to use it, right?
你有一个理由，然后你就有足够的勇气去使用它，对吧？
From my perspective, I was enforcing the law.
从我的角度来看，我是在执行法律。
He's harassing seals.
他正在骚扰海豹。
He's harassing people.
他在骚扰人。
And he attacked me and I was using reasonable force to defend myself.
他袭击了我，而我正在使用合理的武力来保护自己。
Anyway, the two men grappled and went to the ground.
不管怎样，两个人扭打在一起，倒在了地上。
Yeah.
是的。
I think I pinned him down.
我想我把他压住了。
I was saying, call the police.
我说，报警吧。
He was drunk.
他喝醉了。
He was agitated.
他很激动。
He was just being belligerent.
他只是好战而已。
But the stun-- yeah.
但令人震惊的是——是的。
I guess, when you ask what would I have done over again, I probably would have just pinned him down again.
我想，当你问我会重新做些什么时，我可能会再次压制住他。
But the stun gun would not have been-- I call it a stun gun, but it's really not.
但电击枪不会——我称之为电击枪，但实际上不是。
This zapping device would not have been involved.
这个电击装置不会被涉及。
Bryan was the one who was arrested.
布莱恩是被捕的人。
He pled no contest to assault with a stun gun.
他表示不会对使用电击枪的袭击进行抗辩。
Bryan's a smart guy and super thoughtful.
布莱恩是个聪明人，而且非常体贴。
But I think he got caught up in his herd's mentality and people here forgot that there are more options than just fight or flight.
但我认为他陷入了从众心态，而这里的人们忘记了除了战斗或逃跑之外还有更多的选择。
They went right to their reptilian brain and their prefrontal cortex got shut off there.
他们直接进入爬行动物大脑，前额皮质在那里被关闭。
Is that you're saying?
是你说的吗？
Yeah.
是的。
It feels that way.
感觉就是这样。
And for me, personally, somebody gets in my face, I don't think about the legal parts of it or whatever.
对我个人来说，有人挡在我面前，我不会考虑其中的法律部分或其他什么。
I react from the animal part of me, right?
我的反应来自于我的动物部分，对吗？
That's what I did.
我就是这么做的。
And that's why I didn't want to go there anymore.
这就是为什么我不想再去那里了。
It's almost like asking for trouble.
这几乎就像是自找麻烦。
Why do it?
为什么要这样做？
Why go there?
为什么去那里？
The appropriate thing would be just to walk away from it and just be gone.
正确的做法就是离开它然后消失。
This is Kent again.
这又是肯特。
And on this point, both men agree.
在这一点上，两人都同意。
And that's what I should have done if I had been smart about it.
如果我聪明的话，我就应该这么做。
I think that's what people need to do in conflicting situations-- walk away from them.
我认为这就是人们在冲突的情况下需要做的——远离它们。
I'll never be involved in anything like this again.
我再也不会参与这样的事情了。
Period.
时期。
In the summer of 2014, the California Coastal Commission voted to completely close the beach at Children's Pool to humans during pupping season, from December 15 to May 15.
2014 年夏天，加州海岸委员会投票决定在 12 月 15 日至 5 月 15 日的幼崽季节期间，完全禁止人类进入儿童泳池的海滩。
Bryan and Kent both support this decision.
布莱恩和肯特都支持这一决定。
Anybody who wants to see the seals can still watch them from the sidewalk and the seawall.
任何想要看到海豹的人仍然可以从人行道和海堤上观看它们。
And it works.
它有效。
People aren't screaming at each other.
人们不会互相尖叫。
Seals aren't being flushed from the beach.
海豹并没有被冲出海滩。
During the rest of the year, there's a permanent guideline rope down on the sand to provide a buffer between humans and harbor seals.
在一年中的剩余时间里，沙滩上会设置一根永久性的引导绳，以在人类和斑海豹之间提供缓冲。
It's not perfect, but it's a pretty good compromise.
它并不完美，但它是一个很好的折衷方案。
Some of the seal activists are still patrolling the beach during the seven months when it's partially opened to the public.
在海滩部分向公众开放的七个月里，一些海豹活动人士仍在海滩巡逻。
And some of the shared use people are mounting a legal campaign to have the Coastal Commission decision overturned.
一些共享用户正在发起一场法律运动，要求推翻海岸委员会的决定。
But mostly, it's just nice now.
但最重要的是，现在一切都很好。
Daddy, look, I see one!
爸爸，你看，我看到一个！
Right there!
就在那里！
Right there.
就在那里。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
James Spring The thing that you don't hear in all those YouTube videos is the sound of the place without the hate, when people are not screaming.
詹姆斯·斯普林（James Spring） 在所有 YouTube 视频中，你听不到的是这个地方没有仇恨、人们没有尖叫的声音。
When the sun is shining and the seals are sprawled out across the white sand.
当阳光明媚时，海豹们四肢伸展地躺在白色的沙滩上。
Sometimes you see a mother nursing her pups.
有时你会看到一位母亲正在哺乳她的幼崽。
It feels like you're being let in on a secret, like this is how the world is without us.
感觉就像你被告知了一个秘密，就像没有我们的世界就是这样。
We, as a species, are aggressive.
作为一个物种，我们是具有攻击性的。
We're predatory, territorial.
我们是掠夺性的，有领地意识的。
We're pretty selfish.
我们真是太自私了。
And here at the Children's Pool, we've got the place surrounded.
在儿童游泳池这里，我们已经包围了这个地方。
The seals keep coming back.
海豹不断回来。
Clearly, they like it here.
显然，他们喜欢这里。
Here comes another one up there on that little island.
那个小岛上又来了一只。
And even though I don't have any evidence or scientific data to prove it, I still think that the seals totally dig us, despite our natures.
尽管我没有任何证据或科学数据来证明这一点，但我仍然认为海豹完全挖掘了我们，尽管我们的本性如此。
James Spring in San Diego.
圣地亚哥的詹姆斯斯普林。
Since we first aired this story a year ago, a group of the shared use advocates sued the city of San Diego to get the beach opened up again year round to humans.
自从我们一年前首次播出这个故事以来，一群共享使用倡导者起诉圣地亚哥市，要求海滩全年向人类开放。
A judge ruled in their favor last May.
去年五月，一名法官做出了对他们有利的裁决。
The city appealed that decision and was granted the right to close the beach this winter while the court case plays out.
该市对该决定提出上诉，并被授予今年冬天在法庭案件审理期间关闭海滩的权利。
Coming up, the most successful animal outlaw the range country out west every knew.
即将到来的是，最成功的动物取缔了西部每个人都知道的牧场。
And by that, I mean the animal itself was seen as a criminal.
我的意思是，动物本身就被视为罪犯。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, "When the Beasts Come Marching In." We have stories of what happens when animals intrude on the world that we humans have constructed for ourselves.
今天的节目是《当野兽进军时》。我们有关于当动物入侵我们人类为自己构建的世界时会发生什么的故事。
We've arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, "Hungry Like a US Department of Agriculture Contract Employee." OK.
第二幕，“像美国农业部合同工一样饥饿”。好的。
Back in Act One of our show, we heard about modern people trying to accommodate the wild animals that just show up in their midst.
回到我们节目的第一幕，我们听说现代人试图适应刚刚出现在他们中间的野生动物。
But of course, back in the day, generally, a wild animal showed up, we would just kill it.
但当然，在过去，一般来说，野生动物出现，我们就会杀死它。
Take, for example, this press release that the federal government put out nearly 100 years ago.
以联邦政府近 100 年前发布的这份新闻稿为例。
"US department of Agriculture press release.
“美国农业部新闻稿。
Monday, January 17, 1921.
1921 年 1 月 17 日星期一。
The Custer Wolf is dead.
卡斯特狼死了。
He was the master criminal of the animal world.
他是动物世界的罪魁祸首。
For nine years, this wolf had lived as an outlaw.
九年来，这只狼一直过着亡命之徒的生活。
The cruelest, the most sagacious, the most successful animal outlaw that the range country had ever known.
牧场之国有史以来最残忍、最聪明、最成功的动物罪犯。
His cruelty was surpassed only by his cunning.
他的残忍只能被他的狡猾所超越。
Here tonight, tomorrow night he'd devastated a range half a hundred miles away."
今晚，明晚，他已经摧毁了半百英里外的一片山脉。”
Yes, this is an actual press release from the federal government about the government hiring a guy to kill a wolf.
是的，这是联邦政府的一份真实的新闻稿，内容是关于政府雇用一个人去杀狼。
Actor Michael Chernus read it for us.
演员迈克尔·切努斯为我们朗读。
And OK, some context.
好的，一些背景信息。
Wolves used to be common in the mountains out west.
狼曾经在西部山区很常见。
But when settlers arrived, we killed off the animals that wolves used to feed on-- bison, elk, deer.
但当定居者到来时，我们杀死了狼用来吃的动物——野牛、麋鹿、鹿。
And so the wolves turned to livestock-- our livestock-- for food.
因此，狼转向牲畜——我们的牲畜——作为食物。
We were not into that at all.
我们根本不感兴趣。
So ranchers and the federal government set out to exterminate the wolves.
因此牧场主和联邦政府着手消灭狼。
Between 1883 and 1930, more than 80,000 wolves were killed for bounties in Montana alone.
1883 年至 1930 年间，仅蒙大拿州就有 80,000 多只狼因赏金而被猎杀。
And the governor wanted everybody to know what a good job they were doing for the taxpayers.
州长希望每个人都知道他们为纳税人做了多么出色的工作。
And so they put out press releases that include facts, but do not seem constrained by facts.
因此，他们发布的新闻稿包含事实，但似乎不受事实约束。
Though it does seem true that this wolf was really good at being a wolf.
虽然看起来这头狼确实很擅长做狼。
"He loped through every kind of danger and spurned them all.
“他大步跨过各种危险，并且一一拒绝。
He sniffed at the subtlest poison and passed it by.
他嗅了嗅最微妙的毒药，然后就过去了。
When he killed for food, he took only the choicest animals.
当他为了食物而宰杀时，他只选择最好的动物。
But sometimes, he killed in atrocious ways for the mere sake of killing.
但有时，他只是为了杀人而残忍地杀人。
Often he wounded cattle, breaking their legs, biting off their tails, mutilating them in unspeakable ways.
他经常伤害牛，打断它们的腿，咬掉它们的尾巴，以难以形容的方式残害它们。
And there was no man throughout that region who did not feel a shiver run down between his shoulder blades when, alone or in the dark, he thought of this gray devil of the desert.
当独自一人或在黑暗中想起这个沙漠中的灰色魔鬼时，整个地区的每个人都会感到肩胛骨之间颤抖。
Four years ago, his mate was killed.
四年前，他的伴侣被杀。
He never took another.
他再也没有拿过另一个。
And many people supposed that he devoted himself to revenge for her death.
许多人认为他致力于为她的死报仇。
Later on, he attached to himself two coyotes-- not his equals, but his servants.
后来，他给自己附上了两只土狼——不是与他同等的土狼，而是他的仆人。
He never permitted them to come near him and they could feed from his kills only after he himself had finished.
他从来不允许它们靠近他，只有在他自己完成任务后，它们才能从他的猎物中获取食物。
They traveled far out on his flanks, giving him warning of ambush or approaching danger, and adding to the atmosphere of mystery that surrounded him."
他们在他的侧翼走得很远，向他发出伏击或接近危险的警告，并增加了他周围的神秘气氛。”
OK.
好的。
I'm just going to jump in here again.
我又要跳到这里了。
This is the federal government sending this out as a press release.
这是联邦政府以新闻稿的形式发出的。
And it says they took nine years to capture this wolf.
据说他们花了九年时间才捕获这只狼。
The wolf operated around Custer, South Dakota.
这只狼在南达科他州卡斯特附近活动。
And the fact that they gave him a name-- "The Custer Wolf"-- that was something they did with a lot of notorious wolves back then.
事实上，他们给他起了一个名字——“卡斯特狼”——当时他们对很多臭名昭著的狼都是这样做的。
So how did it take nine years?
那么九年是怎么过去的呢？
Well, the press release explains the bounty started at $100.
嗯，新闻稿解释说赏金起价为 100 美元。
And trappers tried, sportsmen tried.
捕猎者尝试过，运动员也尝试过。
They used poison, they used dogs.
他们使用毒药，他们使用狗。
Nobody could kill this wolf.
没有人能杀死这只狼。
They raised the bounty higher and higher, year after year, till it was $500.
他们年复一年地提高赏金，直到达到 500 美元。
And eight years in, in March of 1920, USDA's Bureau of Biological Survey went to a hunter named HP Williams, who I'm picturing-- actually, I'm picturing the shark hunter in the movie Jaws, though I have no facts at all to support that.
八年后，即 1920 年 3 月，美国农业部生物调查局拜访了一位名叫 HP Williams 的猎人，我所想象的就是他——实际上，我想象的是电影《大白鲨》中的鲨鱼猎人，尽管我根本没有任何事实支持这一点。
The government goes to him with instructions to stay with the wolf until the wolf is killed no matter how much time it takes.
政府找到他，指示他无论需要多长时间，都要和狼待在一起，直到狼被杀死。
Williams went.
威廉姆斯去了。
And since there is involved in this story the reputation of two geniuses, the criminal genius of the wolf and the protective genius of Williams, it may be just as well to let the account proceed in the language of the animal inspector who reported the facts to the biological survey.
由于这个故事涉及到两个天才的声誉，狼的犯罪天才和威廉姆斯的保护天才，也许最好让叙述以向生物调查报告事实的动物检查员的语言进行。
Like most outdoor men, he did not want to talk in heroics.
像大多数户外男人一样，他不想谈论英雄事迹。
Here is the story.
故事是这样的。
Quote, "When Williams first went into the country where the wolf ranged, he tried to find fresh tracks, but without success.
引用：“当威廉姆斯第一次进入狼出没的国家时，他试图寻找新的踪迹，但没有成功。
He asked some of the men who had lost stock just where the wolf made his headquarters in their section.
他询问了一些失去库存的人，狼在他们的地区的总部在哪里。
Contrary to their advice, Williams went into the hills west of Pringle and found that the wolf was staying around some old dens in Pilger mountains.
威廉姆斯与他们的建议相反，走进普林格尔以西的山里，发现狼住在皮尔格山脉的一些旧巢穴周围。
Williams scented up the soles of his shoes and started stringing out his traps.
威廉姆斯闻了闻鞋底的气味，开始拉起他的陷阱。
The wolf got on his trail that night and showed signs of great excitement at what he thought to be the presence of a possible mate in his neighborhood.
那天晚上，狼追上了他的踪迹，并表现出非常兴奋的迹象，因为他认为附近可能有一个可能的伴侣。
On April 1, Williams had his first glimpse of the wolf.
4 月 1 日，威廉姆斯第一次看到狼。
He wasn't able to get a shot at him.
他无法向他开枪。
The coyotes were acting as bodyguards, traveling from 100 to 200 yards on the flanks of their mother.
土狼充当保镖，在母狼身边行走 100 至 200 码。
They would warn him of danger by taking flight.
他们会通过逃跑来警告他有危险。
For a while, Williams did not shoot the coyotes, hoping that he would get a chance at the wolf without having to give him warning by the shots that would be necessary to dispatch his bodyguard.
有一段时间，威廉姆斯没有射杀土狼，希望他能有机会射杀狼，而不必开枪警告他，而这对于杀死他的保镖来说是必要的。
Finally, realizing there was no chance of getting at the wolf unless the coyotes were killed, Williams shot them hoping that he, then, had a clear field.
最后，威廉姆斯意识到，除非杀死土狼，否则就没有机会攻击狼，于是他开枪射杀了土狼，希望自己能有一个空旷的视野。
In this, he was greatly mistaken.
在这一点上，他大错特错了。
The wolf played hide and seek with him.
狼和他玩捉迷藏。
After making a kill, he would go on some distance, back trail for a few rounds to a point where he could keep undercover and watch the hunter on his trail.
完成猎杀后，他会走一段距离，回溯几轮，直到他可以隐蔽地观察猎人的踪迹。
Though this is a common habit of a bear, I have never before known a wolf to do it."
虽然这是熊的常见习惯，但我以前从未见过狼会这样做。”
The press release continues with more detail about the hunt.
新闻稿继续提供有关狩猎的更多细节。
My favorite scene in this whole thing is in August.
在这整件事中我最喜欢的场景是八月。
The Custer Wolf vanishes for over a month.
卡斯特狼消失了一个多月。
And then Williams trails him to a canyon and is right about to shoot him when two guys on horseback ride in at, quote "breakneck speed," to inform Williams about another animal that was killed by the wolf.
然后威廉姆斯跟踪他到一个峡谷，正要开枪射杀他，这时两个骑马的人以“极快的速度”冲进来，告诉威廉姆斯另一只被狼杀死的动物。
And Williams motions for them to go away, but they don't understand what he means.
威廉姆斯示意他们离开，但他们不明白他的意思。
And so basically, they make so much noise, they scare away the wolf and Williams loses the wolf again.
所以基本上，他们发出如此大的噪音，他们吓跑了狼，威廉姆斯又失去了狼。
A month later, the wolf gets his foot caught in a trap, but not completely, and he pulls it out.
一个月后，狼的脚被陷阱卡住了，但没有完全卡住，他把它拉了出来。
This happens again in October.
这种情况在十月再次发生。
Williams finally got the wolf on October 11.
10月11日，威廉姆斯终于得到了狼。
Here is his own account of it.
这是他自己的叙述。
Quote, "He stepped into a trap in the morning and it got a good grip on him.
引用：“早上他走进了一个陷阱，陷阱牢牢地抓住了他。
He broke the swivel of the trap and ran on with it on his front foot.
他打破了陷阱的旋转部分，用前脚继续跑。
I trailed him three miles and got a shot at him and got him.
我跟踪他三英里并向他开枪并抓住了他。
He's been so lucky that I expected the gun would fail to shoot, but it worked OK."
他太幸运了，我原以为这把枪不会开枪，但结果还不错。”
The Custer Wolf was smaller than the average male wolf.
卡斯特狼比一般的雄性狼要小。
It weighed 98 pounds.
它重98磅。
It measured just six feet, tip to tip.
它的长度只有六英尺，从头到尾。
He was an old wolf, with fur that was almost white.
他是一头老狼，毛皮几乎是白色的。
His teeth, the press release notes, would have been good for 15 years longer.
新闻稿指出，他的牙齿还能再健康 15 年。
Thanks to Laurel Braitman, who told us about this press release.
感谢 Laurel Braitman 向我们介绍了这份新闻稿。
It's kind of a famous one among wolf people, apparently.
显然，这在狼族中很出名。
She's writing a book about animal outlaws.
她正在写一本关于动物亡命之徒的书。
Act Three, "Weeknight at Bernie's." So after all these stories of conflict between humans and animals, let us close out our show today in a city where people actually take pride-- many of them do, anyway-- in being able to co-exist side by side with wild animals.
第三幕，“伯尼家的周末之夜”。因此，在看完所有这些人类与动物之间冲突的故事之后，让我们在这座城市结束今天的演出，在这座城市里，人们实际上为能够与野生动物共存而感到自豪——无论如何，他们中的许多人确实如此。
It is actual city policy to try to co-exist.
尝试共存是实际的城市政策。
That utopian place-- Anchorage, Alaska, a town of 300,000 that bear and moose wander through.
那个乌托邦般的地方——阿拉斯加的安克雷奇，这座拥有 30 万人口的小镇，熊和驼鹿在其中徘徊。
There are beluga whales in the water on the edge of town.
城镇边缘的水中有白鲸。
But most of the animals-- they come and go.
但大多数动物——它们来了又走。
And nobody knows them well.
没有人很了解他们。
Nobody remembers them when they're gone.
当他们离开后，没有人记得他们。
John Mooallem has the story of one animal that stood out-- that became a resident of the city in a way that few non-humans ever do.
约翰·穆阿勒姆（John Mooallem）讲述了一种引人注目的动物的故事，它以一种非人类很少能做到的方式成为了这座城市的居民。
Stop me if you've heard this one.
如果你听过这个，请阻止我。
A moose walks into a bar--
一只驼鹿走进一家酒吧——
--in the courtyard of Bernie's bungalow lounge.
——伯尼平房休息室的庭院里。
It's totally fenced off with just one or two little gates in it.
它完全被栅栏围起来，里面只有一两个小门。
And I guess they weren't used to seeing moose right there.
我猜他们不习惯在那里看到驼鹿。
That's Rick Sinnott, and that's the call he got late one night about a moose hanging out at a bar in downtown Anchorage-- a martini lounge, actually.
那是里克·辛诺特，这是他一天深夜接到的电话，说一只驼鹿在安克雷奇市中心的一家酒吧里闲逛——实际上是一家马提尼酒廊。
The moose was humongous.
驼鹿非常巨大。
It wasn't supposed to be at a martini lounge because it was a moose.
它不应该出现在马提尼酒廊，因为它是一头驼鹿。
Rick was the guy you'd call for problems like that.
遇到此类问题你会打电话给里克。
For 30 years, his official job description was Wildlife Biologist for the State Fish and Game Department.
30 年来，他的官方职位描述是国家鱼类和狩猎部门的野生动物生物学家。
But really, he saw himself as a referee.
但实际上，他将自己视为一名裁判。
All around Anchorage, Rick says, you've got this endless scrimmage playing out between people and wild animals all trying to live in the same space.
里克说，在安克雷奇周围，人们和野生动物之间不断上演着无休止的混战，所有人都试图生活在同一个空间里。
It was up to Rick to manage that coexistence.
由里克来管理这种共存。
And he'd get dozens of calls a day-- 800-pound black bears on people's decks, wolves eating dogs.
他每天都会接到几十个电话——800磅重的黑熊出现在人们的甲板上，狼正在吃狗。
Years ago, there was an infamous spate of attacks by a cantankerous great horned owl who kept dive bombing skiers with its steak knife talons.
几年前，一只脾气暴躁的大角猫头鹰不断用牛排刀爪子俯冲轰炸滑雪者，发生了一系列臭名昭著的袭击事件。
But lots of calls didn't really seem like problems Rick needed to rush out and solve.
但很多电话看起来并不像是瑞克需要急忙解决的问题。
Someone will say, there's a-- I need to get to work and there's a moose between me and my car and I can't go out the front door.
有人会说，我需要去上班，但我和我的车之间有一只驼鹿，我无法走出前门。
I wouldn't go out for that unless someone was in a wheelchair or something, where they really couldn't go out the back door.
我不会出去，除非有人坐在轮椅上或者其他什么地方，他们真的不能从后门出去。
What is your advice?
你有什么建议？
Rick Sinnott My advice would be, call your boss and tell him you're going to be a few minutes late.
Rick Sinnott 我的建议是，打电话给你的老板并告诉他你会迟到几分钟。
Still, a moose at a bar is a higher order of moose problem.
尽管如此，酒吧里的驼鹿仍然是驼鹿问题的高级问题。
The animal could flip out.
动物可能会发疯。
Every moose has sort of a bubble around him, conceptually, where they feel threatened.
从概念上讲，每头驼鹿的周围都有一个气泡，让它们感到受到威胁。
They're all potentially dangerous and they don't use their antlers, really, when they attack you.
它们都有潜在的危险，而且当它们攻击你时，它们实际上不会使用鹿角。
They use their hooves in front and they're very large and very heavy and very sharp.
它们的蹄子在前面，它们很大、很重、也很锋利。
And they'll knock you down and do a little dance on you.
他们会把你打倒并在你身上跳一段舞蹈。
So Rick got in his truck and headed over to Bernie's.
于是瑞克上了他的卡车，前往伯尼家。
The place isn't the least bit secluded.
这个地方一点也不僻静。
It's right in the heart of downtown Anchorage, across from the Nordstrom's.
它位于安克雷奇市中心，诺德斯特龙百货公司对面。
And yet, when Rick showed up, the moose was just standing there in the courtyard, stock still, unfazed, even with a crowd of people around it.
然而，当瑞克出现时，驼鹿只是站在院子里，一动不动，毫发无伤，即使周围有一群人。
It was strange.
很奇怪。
This moose seemed to require zero personal moose space.
这只驼鹿似乎需要零个人空间。
He was a big moose.
他是一头大驼鹿。
He was probably 1,400 pounds-- something like that.
他大概有 1,400 磅——差不多。
And his antlers were-- I don't know-- at least three feet across from tip to tip, maybe four feet.
他的鹿角——我不知道——从尖端到尖端至少有三英尺宽，也许有四英尺。
His knees are locked and he's got this 1,000-yard stare.
他的膝盖被锁住，他的目光投向了1000码之外。
And the only way you can really tell he's alive is you see these great big gouts of steam coming out of his nostrils every time he breathes out.
你能真正判断他还活着的唯一方法是，每次他呼气时，你都能看到他的鼻孔里冒出巨大的蒸汽。
He's just totally out of it, just standing there drunk, basically.
他完全不在状态，基本上只是喝醉了站在那里。
There was one or two very large crabapple trees in the courtyard.
院子里有一两棵很大的海棠树。
And the crab apples-- most of them had fallen off the trees and they were littering the courtyard-- hundreds of them.
还有数百个海棠——大部分都从树上掉下来，散落在院子里。
And they were soft and squishy-- definitely fermented.
它们又软又软——绝对是发酵过的。
It's not uncommon, apparently.
显然，这并不罕见。
In winter, when there's only twigs to eat, a thick carpet of fallen fruit-- even rotting fruit-- is a pretty big caloric bonanza for a moose and they get plastered.
在冬天，只有树枝可以吃的时候，厚厚的落下的水果——甚至是腐烂的水果——对驼鹿来说是一个相当大的热量宝库，它们会被弄得全身湿透。
A few years ago, reports surfaced from Sweden about a small gang of moose hoodlums drunk on crabapples, terrorizing homeowners.
几年前，来自瑞典的报道称，一小群驼鹿流氓喝醉了海棠，恐吓房主。
Outside the bar, Rick and a local newspaper reporter, named Julia O'Malley, sized up the situation.
酒吧外，里克和当地报纸记者朱莉娅·奥马利评估了局势。
And we walked around him and looked at him.
我们绕着他走，看着他。
And Julia asked me what I was going to do about it.
朱莉娅问我打算怎么做。
And I said, you know?
我说，你知道吗？
He's too large to fit in a taxi, so we're just going to leave him here until he works it out.
他太大了，出租车装不下，所以我们就把他留在这里，直到他解决问题为止。
He wasn't dangerous.
他并不危险。
He was drunk but not disorderly.
他喝醉了，但并没有乱。
Rick let the moose sleep it off.
瑞克让驼鹿睡着了。
It was all he could do.
这是他所能做的一切。
Julia wrote up the incident in The Anchorage Daily News the next day-- a page one story.
第二天，朱莉娅在《安克雷奇每日新闻》的第一版报道了这一事件。
She gave the moose a nickname.
她给驼鹿起了个绰号。
Buzzwinkle.
嗡嗡声。
And we both giggled about that.
我们都为此咯咯地笑。
Normally, I don't name animals.
通常，我不会给动物命名。
But when she named him Buzzwinkle and it was in the paper and everyone started calling him Buzzwinkle, then he became Buzzwinkle and I used the word, too.
但当她给他取名为 Buzzwinkle 并在报纸上刊登时，每个人都开始叫他 Buzzwinkle，然后他就变成了 Buzzwinkle，我也用了这个词。
It's the world's stupidest name for a moose, but that was his name at that point.
这是世界上最愚蠢的驼鹿名字，但那是他当时的名字。
The drunk moose instantly became a local celebrity in Anchorage.
这只醉酒的驼鹿立即成为安克雷奇当地的名人。
It was a kind of municipal spirit animal.
它是一种市政灵兽。
People started calling Rick all the time just to say they'd spotted Buzzwinkle clodding around Anchorage.
人们开始打电话给瑞克，只是为了说他们看到巴斯温克尔在安克雷奇附近徘徊。
Nothing Rick needed to do, they were just excited-- a star sighting.
瑞克不需要做任何事，他们只是很兴奋——看到了星星。
As it turns out, though, Rick was into this moose before he was famous.
但事实证明，里克在成名之前就喜欢上了这只驼鹿。
At the bar that night, he'd noticed an orange tag on Buzzwinkle's ear, the kind Rick attaches every time he handles a wild animal.
那天晚上在酒吧，他注意到巴兹温的耳朵上有一个橙色的标签，瑞克每次处理野生动物时都会贴上这种标签。
When he got back to his office, he looked up the tag number.
当他回到办公室时，他查了一下标签号码。
I realized that we dealt with this exact same moose three years before.
我意识到三年前我们曾处理过这只完全相同的驼鹿。
And that was a case where someone had hung a child's plastic hollow swing-- they'd hung it from a tree limb.
在这个案例中，有人挂了一个孩子的塑料空心秋千——他们把它挂在树枝上。
And he'd been messing with it and gotten himself tangled up.
而他却一直在搞乱这件事，让自己陷入了困境。
It had happened in the dead of night.
事情发生在夜深人静的时候。
Sounds a bit pathetic.
听起来有点可怜。
Rick remembered how this swing kept lazily knocking into Buzzwinkle's head as the moose lurched and shrugged, trying to unsnag himself.
瑞克记得这一击是如何懒洋洋地敲击巴兹温克的头，而驼鹿则摇摇晃晃地耸肩，试图挣脱束缚。
Ultimately, Rick had to dart Buzzwinkle with a tranquilizer, then patiently unravel the whole tangle.
最终，瑞克不得不向巴兹温注射镇定剂，然后耐心地解开整个混乱。
It was like working through a pair of knotted up ear buds, but the problem was messier-- moosier.
这就像处理一对打结的耳塞一样，但问题更混乱——更苔藓。
And Rick remembered bailing out Buzzwinkle one other time in the same neighborhood.
瑞克还记得在同一个街区还有一次救助过巴兹温克。
He'd been hitting the crabapples that night, too.
那天晚上他也一直在吃海棠。
Eating crabapples under someone's-- on someone's lawn.
在某人的草坪下吃海棠。
There were several crabapple trees.
那里有几棵海棠树。
And he had a bunch of white lights dangling off of him.
他的身上还悬挂着一束白光。
I don't know what-- 30 feet or more of white lights dangling off of his antlers.
我不知道是什么——他的鹿角上悬挂着 30 英尺或更长的白光。
Turns out, this is another common moose problem.
事实证明，这是驼鹿的另一个常见问题。
Rick saw it all the time.
瑞克一直都看到这一点。
Moose wind up staggering around Anchorage with long trains of Christmas lights trailing behind them, or coaxial cable, or big yellow tether balls on ropes.
驼鹿在安克雷奇周围蹒跚而行，身后拖着长长的圣诞灯串，或者同轴电缆，或者绳子上的黄色大绳球。
Gradually, Rick pieced together that Buzzwinkle was probably the same big bullmoose he'd been seeing around town for years.
渐渐地，瑞克拼凑起来，巴兹温克尔可能就是他多年来在镇上看到的那只大公驼鹿。
And the reality was when he wasn't drunk, Buzzwinkle was actually a pretty canny animal.
事实上，当他没有喝醉的时候，巴斯温实际上是一只非常精明的动物。
Street smart, Rick called him.
里克称他为街头聪明人。
Buzzwinkle was a really laid back moose.
巴兹温克尔是一只非常悠闲的驼鹿。
He was super tolerant of people.
他对人超级宽容。
That was one of the best things about him.
这是他最好的事情之一。
He was an urban moose.
他是一头城市驼鹿。
He was a-- he liked to spend time in the city.
他喜欢在城里度过时光。
He'd come in for the weekend.
他周末过来。
He was.
他是。
I think-- some of our moose are in and out of the city.
我想——我们的一些驼鹿进出城市。
They'll come in the winter time and then they'll go back into the mountains.
他们会在冬天来，然后又回到山里。
But this guy probably lived his whole life within a few mile radius of the downtown area, just walking around on the sidewalks and sometimes walking down the middle of the road.
但这家伙可能一生都生活在市中心方圆几英里的范围内，只是在人行道上走来走去，有时还走在马路中间。
He was good, though, because if there wasn't much traffic, he would just assume the road was for him and he wouldn't walk on the sidewalk.
不过他很好，因为如果交通不多，他就会认为这条路是给他走的，他不会走在人行道上。
But if there was a lot of traffic, he would use crosswalks.
但如果交通繁忙，他就会走人行横道。
He would wait till the light-- at least I saw him do this once.
他会等到天亮——至少我见过他这样做一次。
And I'm generalizing here a little bit.
我在这里稍微概括一下。
But he'd stand there on the sidewalk and watch the light.
但他会站在人行道上看着灯光。
And when the cars stopped, he'd walk across the crosswalk.
当汽车停下来时，他会步行穿过人行横道。
Picture that for a second.
想象一下。
The moose would walk across the crosswalk with the light.
驼鹿会在灯光下穿过人行横道。
It's a classic story.
这是一个经典的故事。
A guy from the sticks learning the ways of the big city, keeping his head down, trying to fit in.
一个来自山区的小伙子正在学习大城市的生活方式，低着头，试图融入其中。
What kind of thing is a moose, anyway?
驼鹿到底是什么样的东西？
Moose are the largest deer in the world.
驼鹿是世界上最大的鹿。
The big ones can stand six feet tall at the shoulder and weigh 3/4 of a ton.
大的肩高可达六英尺，重达 3/4 吨。
People like to call these animals distinguished and noble, but they make terrible moaning sounds, like phlegmy old men with gout.
人们喜欢称这些动物为杰出和高贵，但它们却发出可怕的呻吟声，就像患痛风的痰多老人一样。
I don't know why, but I just think moose are super weird.
我不知道为什么，但我就是觉得驼鹿非常奇怪。
Lots of people do.
很多人都这样做。
Go look at one.
去看一个吧。
They have ridiculously huge heads with gawky antlers-- almost flat in places sometimes, like broad, buckled sheets of plywood.
它们有着大得离谱的头和笨拙的鹿角——有时有些地方几乎是平的，就像宽阔的、弯曲的胶合板。
It's insane.
太疯狂了。
It's amazing the animals don't fall over.
令人惊奇的是，动物们没有摔倒。
And you know how big their brains are?
你知道他们的大脑有多大吗？
The size of an orange.
橙子大小。
It just seems so odd that nature would make these hulking, vacant things and leave them standing around all over the place.
大自然会制造这些笨重、空置的东西，然后让它们到处乱站，这似乎很奇怪。
And then, surprise, they can kill you.
然后，令人惊讶的是，他们可以杀了你。
These dumb, agoraphobic vagrants with quick tempers and malfunctioning jackhammers for legs.
这些愚蠢的、患有广场恐惧症的流浪汉，脾气暴躁，腿部的手提钻也出现故障。
In a way, it'd be safer and easier just to shoot them all.
在某种程度上，将他们全部射杀会更安全、更容易。
And to be totally clear, killing animals was part of Rick's job sometimes.
需要明确的是，有时杀死动物也是里克工作的一部分。
But Anchorage is willing to put up with a lot more than most places before it draws that line.
但在划定这条线之前，安克雷奇比大多数地方愿意忍受更多的事情。
One in 10 residents in Anchorage have smacked into a moose with their car.
安克雷奇十分之一的居民曾用自己的汽车撞过驼鹿。
And still, a survey Rick did found that most people-- 87%-- felt these animals, quote, "Make life in Anchorage seem more interesting and special."
尽管如此，瑞克所做的一项调查发现，大多数人（87%）都感受到这些动物，引用说，“让安克雷奇的生活看起来更有趣、更特别。”
It's the same basic rules for animals as for people.
对于动物和人类来说，这是相同的基本规则。
As long as you don't hurt or threaten anyone, you can be as eccentric as you want, or even totally annoying, if that's your nature.
只要你不伤害或威胁任何人，你可以随心所欲地变得古怪，甚至完全令人讨厌，如果这是你的本性的话。
You can stand on the sidewalk huffing and smelling gross and making upsetting noises.
你可以站在人行道上气喘吁吁，闻起来很恶心，发出令人不安的声音。
You do you.
你就做你吧。
Society will do its best to tolerate you.
社会会尽力包容你。
And sometimes even send out a caseworker in the middle of the night to help you if, say, you get your giant head stuck in a swing.
有时甚至会在半夜派出一名社工来帮助你，比如，如果你的巨大的头卡在了秋千上。
A couple of months after the night at the martini lounge, Rick started getting some calls from concerned residents that Buzzwinkle looked hurt.
在马提尼酒廊度过的那一晚几个月后，瑞克开始接到一些忧心忡忡的居民打来的电话，称巴兹温克尔看起来受伤了。
He was walking funny.
他走路的样子很滑稽。
So Rick went to check on the moose.
于是瑞克就去查看驼鹿的情况。
He found him at a creek behind an industrial area in town.
他在镇上一个工业区后面的一条小溪里找到了他。
And he had been injured somehow.
而且他不知何故受伤了。
And I initially thought it was-- a car had hit him in one of his rear legs.
我最初以为是——一辆汽车撞到了他的一条后腿。
Because he had a big gash and a big lump there-- a little bit of blood.
因为他有一个很大的伤口，那里有一个大肿块——还有一点血。
But it just looked like it was infected and he was gimping around.
但看起来就像是被感染了，而他却一瘸一拐地走来走去。
And so what we do then is we just watch and wait.
所以我们接下来要做的就是观察和等待。
Rick figured if Buzzwinkle could hang on till spring, when there'd be more plants to eat, he'd have a shot at recovering.
瑞克想，如果巴斯温能坚持到春天，那时有更多的植物可以吃，他就有机会康复。
For the rest of the winter, when people called in Buzzwinkle sightings, Rick always asked them, how does he look?
在冬天剩下的时间里，当人们打电话举报巴斯温克尔的目击事件时，瑞克总是问他们，他看起来怎么样？
How is he walking?
他走路怎么样？
But then, someone reported a bull moose crumpled on the ground.
但随后，有人报告说一头公驼鹿倒在地上。
Rick found the animal in a vacant lot behind a printing business.
瑞克在一家印刷厂后面的空地上发现了这只动物。
I walked up and looked and I could see the orange tag in his ear.
我走过去一看，发现他耳朵上有一个橙色的标签。
I looked.
我看了看。
I checked the number.
我查了号码。
It was definitely Buzzwinkle.
这绝对是巴兹温克尔。
Well, you could actually still see the wound, which had sort of closed up.
嗯，实际上你仍然可以看到伤口，它已经闭合了。
But it was still there on his back leg.
但它仍然在他的后腿上。
He was lying on his side, up against this wooden fence.
他侧身躺着，靠着木栅栏。
And he was so skinny.
而且他是如此瘦弱。
He was emaciated.
他面容憔悴。
At some point in the night, probably, he had just fallen over.
也许是在夜里的某个时候，他刚刚摔倒了。
And he couldn't get up.
而他却起不来。
You could see his chest was moving and his eyes were blinking a little bit.
你可以看到他的胸部在颤动，他的眼睛在眨动。
But he couldn't even raise his head.
但他却连头都抬不起来。
How did it affect you to see him like that?
看到他这样对你有什么影响？
Well, it was sad.
嗯，很伤心。
It was just-- it was the last, maybe, hours of his life-- certainly, the last day or two.
这只是——也许是他生命中的最后几个小时——当然，最后一两天。
So I walked back to the truck and loaded the shotgun.
于是我走回卡车并给霰弹枪上膛。
Rick wrote an essay about Buzzwinkle in The Anchorage Daily News, a kind of eulogy.
里克在《安克雷奇每日新闻》上写了一篇关于巴兹温克尔的文章，算是一种悼词。
I asked him to read his description of what happened next.
我请他读一下他对接下来发生的事情的描述。
"TS Eliot could have been thinking of moose when he proclaimed April the cruelest month.
“当艾略特宣称四月是最残酷的月份时，他可能想到的是驼鹿。
With its reserves depleted, the larder empty, and nothing green in sight, it's not uncommon for a moose to succumb during the slow transition from winter to spring.
由于储备耗尽，食品储藏室空空如也，看不到任何绿色，驼鹿在冬季到春季的缓慢过渡期间死亡的情况并不少见。
I couldn't leave Buzzwinkle helpless, feebly tracing arcs in the dirt with his hooves to be worried by dogs or to lose his eyes to a raven.
我不能让巴兹温无助，用蹄子无力地在泥土中划出弧线，以免被狗担心或被乌鸦失去双眼。
I shot him between the eyes.
我朝他两眼之间开了一枪。
I don't believe he saw me or felt the impact of the 12-gauge shotgun slug.
我不相信他看到了我，也没有感受到 12 号猎枪子弹的冲击力。
After euthanizing the bull, I patted his neck and ran my index finger over his molars, worn to the gums.
对公牛实施安乐死后，我拍拍他的脖子，用食指抚摸他磨损到牙龈的臼齿。
Buzzwinkle was a very old moose-- the oldest bull I'd ever seen."
巴兹温克尔是一头非常老的驼鹿——我见过的最老的公牛。”
He was at least 13, Rick says.
里克说，他至少 13 岁。
That's how I first heard about Buzzwinkle, reading Rick's memorial to him in the paper.
我就是这样第一次听说巴兹温克的，是在报纸上读到瑞克为他写的纪念文章时。
The emotion of it stuck with me-- the deep humanity of their relationship-- even though one of them was a moose.
尽管他们中的一个是一头驼鹿，但他们的关系中深刻的人性却深深地印在了我的心上。
You can almost imagine it as a buddy film, though with a pretty twisted turn.
你几乎可以把它想象成一部兄弟电影，尽管有一个相当扭曲的转折。
Rick was the wingman who'd spent years looking out for his wilder, fun-loving, inebriated bro until all that hard living caught up with the guy and Rick had to shoot him in the face.
瑞克是一名僚机，多年来一直在寻找他那个狂野、爱玩、喝醉的兄弟，直到所有艰苦的生活都赶上了这个家伙，瑞克不得不朝他的脸开枪。
Still, even that seemed like such a courageous act of mercy, of respect, performed with stoicism and a sense of duty.
尽管如此，即便如此，这似乎也是一种勇敢的仁慈、尊重之举，是带着坚忍和责任感进行的。
And when it was done, Rick wrote, he made special arrangements to use the moose's meat in a conservation research project.
瑞克写道，完成后，他做出了特殊安排，在保护研究项目中使用驼鹿的肉。
Buzzwinkle would be bait for trapping wolverines.
嗡嗡声可以作为诱捕狼獾的诱饵。
I thought about that image a lot.
我对那个画面思考了很多。
I love the idea.
我喜欢这个主意。
Because in my mind, wolverines were the opposite of the caricature Buzzwinkle had become.
因为在我看来，狼獾与漫画中的巴斯温相反。
He was goofy and urban and out getting tipsy, closing down the bar, whereas wolverines are nasty and elusive and relentlessly wild.
他很傻，很城市化，喝得醉了，关掉了酒吧，而狼獾则令人讨厌、难以捉摸、无情地狂野。
Carving up Buzzwinkle for those animals seemed like a way to restore his wildness, to release his energy from our crummy world and feed it back into his.
为这些动物分割巴斯温似乎是一种恢复他的野性的方法，可以将他的能量从我们肮脏的世界中释放出来，然后反馈给他的世界。
And anyway, the only other option would have been to haul Buzzwinkle to a landfill and that didn't sit right with Rick.
不管怎样，唯一的选择就是把巴斯温拖到垃圾填埋场，但这对瑞克来说并不合适。
I always hated to do that.
我一直讨厌这样做。
I did that one time early in my career.
我在职业生涯早期就曾这样做过一次。
I took a dead moose to the landfill.
我把一头死驼鹿带到了垃圾填埋场。
And they charged me for it.
他们为此向我收费。
I'm like, wait a minute.
我想，等一下。
Wait.
等待。
So your objection to taking a moose to a landfill was financial?
那么您反对将驼鹿运往垃圾填埋场是出于经济原因吗？
I think I was just hoping for you having some kind of poetic, philosophic conviction about the circle of life and that a moose should not be buried in a landfill when it could be redistributed into the natural cycle.
我想我只是希望你对生命的循环有某种诗意、哲学的信念，当驼鹿可以重新分配到自然循环中时，它不应该被埋在垃圾填埋场。
Oh, I can get all poetic on you if you want me to.
哦，如果你愿意的话，我可以对你充满诗意。
But no, it was practical.
但不，它很实用。
It would be a two-hour round trip.
这将是两个小时的往返旅程。
And I'd pull up at the little kiosk and they would say, $50 to drop the moose off.
我在小售货亭停下来，他们会说，50 美元让驼鹿下车。
I kept pressing him, but he said it was a mistake to over romanticize this one moose just because it had a funny name.
我一直向他施压，但他说仅仅因为这只驼鹿有一个有趣的名字就过度浪漫化它是错误的。
There were so many mooses Rick had known.
瑞克认识的驼鹿有很多。
He would come into contact with 20 different ones a day, easy.
他一天会接触20个不同的人，很容易。
And I realize, he seemed to see each of those animals the way I saw Buzzwinkle-- as an individual.
我意识到，他看待每一种动物的方式就像我看待巴斯温一样——作为一个个体。
When Rick said Buzzwinkle was no different from other moose, it didn't cheapen Buzzwinkle.
当瑞克说巴斯温与其他驼鹿没有什么不同时，他并没有贬低巴斯温。
It elevated moose.
它提升了驼鹿的地位。
Jon Mooallem.
乔恩·穆阿勒姆。
He's a writer at large for the New York Times Magazine and the author of the book, Wild Ones, where, among other things, he writes about a moose that Thomas Jefferson felt a need to send to France.
他是《纽约时报》杂志的特约撰稿人，也是《野人》一书的作者，书中他写到了托马斯·杰斐逊认为有必要将其送往法国的一头驼鹿。
[MUSIC - "ANIMAL - MARK RONSON REMIX" BY MIIKE SNOW]
[音乐 - “动物 - MARK RONSON REMIX”，作者：MIIKE SNOW]
Credits Ira Glass Well, our show was produced today by Mike Meek, a human being, with our production staff, Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Neil Drumming, Stephanie Foo, Chana Joffe-Walt, Jonathan Menjivar, Robyn Semien, Alyssa Shipp, Matt Tierney, Nancy Updike, and Diane Wu.
感谢 Ira Glass 嗯，今天我们的节目由 Mike Meek 制作，我们的制作人员包括 Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Neil Drumming、Stephanie Foo、Chana Joffe-Walt、Jonathan Menjivar、Robyn Semien、Alyssa Shipp、Matt Tierney、Nancy Updike 和 Diane Wu。
Our senior producer for today's show is Brian Reed.
我们今天节目的高级制片人是布莱恩·里德。
Our editor for this episode was Joel Lovell.
本集的编辑是乔尔·洛弗尔。
Research help today from Benjamin Anastas and Christopher Swetala.
本杰明·阿纳斯塔斯 (Benjamin Anastas) 和克里斯托弗·斯维塔拉 (Christopher Swetala) 今天提供了研究帮助。
Music help from Damian Graef and Rob Geddis.
Damian Graef 和 Rob Geddis 提供音乐帮助。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life was delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, Easter's coming up-- not that far away.
你知道，复活节快到了——离我们不远了。
But I am not going to give that man another chocolate bunny because the way he eats chocolate bunnies-- it is just too intense.
但我不会再给那个人巧克力兔子，因为他吃巧克力兔子的方式——味道太强烈了。
Breaking their legs, biting off their tails, mutilating them in unspeakable ways.
打断他们的腿，咬掉他们的尾巴，以难以形容的方式残害他们。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。