58: Small Towns - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass The question isn't, can you go home again?
序言 Ira Glass 问题不是，你能再回家吗？
The question is, do you want to?
问题是，你愿意吗？
From the day he left the small town he grew up in, David thought he did.
从他离开自己长大的小镇的那天起，大卫就认为他已经离开了。
He left Allendale, South Carolina for Princeton, then law school.
他离开南卡罗来纳州艾伦代尔前往普林斯顿大学，然后就读法学院。
I really see myself as being a black Matlock or something like that.
我真的认为自己是一个黑人马特洛克或类似的人。
I mean, I'm into that idea.
我的意思是，我很喜欢这个想法。
I'm into the idea of being the lawyer in town.
我很想成为城里的律师。
Just recently, he was offered a job with a country lawyer back home.
就在最近，他得到了一份家乡乡村律师的工作。
And so he and his wife have to decide, what are they going to do?
所以他和他的妻子必须决定，他们要做什么？
She grew up on a farm outside Allendale.
她在艾伦代尔郊外的一个农场长大。
They were childhood sweethearts.
他们是青梅竹马。
And deciding where to go, it's the biggest question in their marriage.
而决定去哪里，这是他们婚姻中最大的问题。
I try to conceptualize myself.
我尝试将自己概念化。
Could I really live in a community that small?
我真的可以生活在这么小的社区里吗？
Could I live in a town with two traffic lights?
我可以住在有两个红绿灯的城镇吗？
And I could not see it.
我看不到它。
I could not visualize it.
我无法想象它。
And I think that only a couple of weeks ago, I told David that I could definitely never live in a town like Allendale.
我想就在几周前，我告诉大卫我绝对不可能住在像艾伦代尔这样的小镇。
In a sense, their dispute comes down to a difference over how they view a central fact of small town life, that feeling that comes when you know everybody knows you and knows your business.
从某种意义上说，他们的争论归根结底在于他们如何看待小镇生活的一个核心事实，即当你知道每个人都认识你并了解你的生意时就会产生这种感觉。
He likes that feeling.
他喜欢那种感觉。
People knowing your business or wanting to know your business, I mean, it sounds like a horrible thing.
我的意思是，人们了解您的业务或想了解您的业务，这听起来像是一件可怕的事情。
But that, whatever, nosiness, in some respects, keeps you in line.
但无论如何，在某些方面，爱管闲事会让你保持规矩。
People knowing that my car was potentially parked at Letta's house at a time that it shouldn't have been keeps me in line.
人们知道我的车可能在不应该停在莱塔家的时间让我排队。
I mean, so you don't do that.
我的意思是，所以你不要这样做。
You don't do the things that you know the neighbor next door can report back to your mom.
你不会做那些你知道隔壁邻居可以向你妈妈报告的事情。
You just have to be a good boy.
你只需要做一个好孩子就可以了。
And that's the way that I see myself in Allendale.
这就是我在艾伦代尔对自己的看法。
I'm Allendale's little, good boy.
我是艾伦代尔的好孩子。
And I think that I always bucked against being a good girl.
我认为我总是反对做一个好女孩。
I mean, don't get me wrong, I was not a mischievous child.
我的意思是，不要误会我的意思，我不是一个淘气的孩子。
I didn't have any discipline problems.
我没有任何纪律问题。
But I think that, at a very early age, I was fiercely an individualist.
但我认为，在很小的时候，我就是一个强烈的个人主义者。
And I think that, when you want to take stake-out, and behave in your own way, and have a personality that may not be assimilated to everyone else's, it's just painful in a small town, because it sticks out.
我认为，当你想进行监视，以自己的方式行事，并具有可能无法与其他人同化的个性时，在小镇上这只是痛苦的，因为它很引人注目。
Her views on abortion and race relations didn't square with the prevalent opinions in Allendale.
她对堕胎和种族关系的看法与艾伦代尔的普遍观点不一致。
The speech she gave as high school valedictorian, a speech critical of the school system, was a minor town scandal.
她作为高中毕业生致辞的演讲批评了学校系统，成为了小镇的丑闻。
People apparently talked about it for months.
人们显然已经谈论了几个月。
And so, for now, they're stuck living in Manhattan, trying to decide if they see small town life as cozy or as claustrophobic.
因此，目前，他们被困在曼哈顿，试图决定他们认为小镇生活是舒适还是幽闭恐怖。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life .
嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这是《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种故事。
Today's program, Small Towns, the claustrophobia and freedom and yearning for small towns.
今天的节目，小镇，幽闭恐惧症和对小镇自由的向往。
Act One, Country Mouse, City Mouse, a family moves from a tiny town to the big city, or what seems to them, anyway, like the big city.
第一幕，乡村老鼠，城市老鼠，一个家庭从小城镇搬到大城市，或者在他们看来，无论如何，就像大城市。
Act Two, a get-together of single farmers who are trying to get other farmers to stay in rural America by marrying them.
第二幕是单身农民的聚会，他们试图通过与其他农民结婚来让他们留在美国农村。
Act three-- Three Chicago teenagers make the argument that the public housing project that they live in, a high rise building here in one of the biggest cities in the country, is actually a small town.
第三幕——三名芝加哥青少年声称，他们居住的公共住房项目是美国最大城市之一的一栋高层建筑，实际上是一个小镇。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act one-- City Mouse, Country Mouse.
第一幕——城市老鼠，乡村老鼠。
One of the classic American stories is the migration from small town to big city, and all the personal growth, and dangers, and freedom that happen when you make that move.
经典的美国故事之一是从小城镇迁移到大城市，以及当你迁移时所发生的所有个人成长、危险和自由。
Our contributing editor, Sarah Vowell, went through that change yourself, with her family, but with one small catch.
我们的特约编辑莎拉·沃威尔（Sarah Vowell）亲自和她的家人一起经历了这一改变，但有一个小收获。
The big city that her family moved to wasn't New York, or Los Angeles, or Boston.
她的家人搬到的大城市不是纽约、洛杉矶或波士顿。
It was Bozeman, Montana, population 30,000.
那是蒙大拿州博兹曼，人口 30,000。
Which sounds like a small town to anybody who lives in a city, but it was, in fact, 30 times larger than Braggs, Oklahoma where they started.
对于居住在城市的人来说，这听起来像是一个小镇，但事实上，它比他们的出发地俄克拉荷马州布拉格市大 30 倍。
We were hopeful immigrants from small town Oklahoma who set out for a better life in small-town Montana and became new people.
我们是来自俄克拉荷马州小镇的满怀希望的移民，为了在蒙大拿州小镇过上更好的生活而出发，并成为了新人。
Where else but America can an okra-eating, twang-talking, God-fearing, good girl like me be given the opportunity to turn into the liquored-up, opinion-mongering heathen I am today?
除了美国之外，还有什么地方能让像我这样吃秋葵、说鼻音、敬畏上帝的好女孩有机会变成今天这个酗酒、散布舆论的异教徒呢？
My twin sister and I were born Okies in Muskogee, because that's where the nearest hospital was.
我和我的双胞胎姐姐出生在马斯科吉，因为那是最近的医院。
But we lived in Braggs, a dusty little Muskogee county nowhere, home to a 1,000 people, four churches, one school, a couple of stores, and a much vilified bar called The Little Oklahoma.
但我们住在布拉格，那是一个尘土飞扬的小马斯科吉县，这里有 1000 人、四座教堂、一所学校、几家商店，还有一家名为“小俄克拉荷马”的饱受诟病的酒吧。
Our mother took us to Braggs' Pentecostal church three times a week, where I got saved, got baptized, and prayed with her and the others in the ladies prayer meeting for The Little Oklahoma to be shut down.
我们的母亲每周三次带我们去布拉格五旬节教堂，在那里我得救，受洗，并与她和其他人一起在女士祈祷会上为“小俄克拉荷马”被关闭而祈祷。
And I sang, sang in church, sang at home, sang along with my transistor radio to the Tulsa country station.
我唱歌，在教堂里唱歌，在家里唱歌，用我的晶体管收音机在塔尔萨乡村电台唱歌。
I sang for God, because I knew God was listening.
我为上帝歌唱，因为我知道上帝在倾听。
When I was six, I got a tape recorder for Christmas.
当我六岁的时候，我得到了一台录音机作为圣诞节礼物。
And here's the first song I sang into it.
这是我唱的第一首歌。
[SINGING] I will be a helper at home, at church, at school.
[唱歌]我会成为家里、教堂、学校的帮手。
I will be a helper, obeying Bible rules.
我会成为一个遵守圣经规则的帮助者。
When there's work for me to do, I'll do it happily.
当有工作要做时，我会很高兴地去做。
I will be a helper to everyone I see.
我会成为我见到的每个人的帮助者。
I hate that song more than any other.
我比其他任何歌都更讨厌这首歌。
Every time it pops into my head, I shiver, because it's a spooky reminder of the docile woman I might have become had I stayed in that town, in that church, where there are so many rules and so many eyes upon you.
每当它出现在我的脑海中时，我都会颤抖，因为它让我想起，如果我留在那个小镇，那个教堂，那里有那么多的规则，那么多的眼睛注视着你，我可能会成为一个温顺的女人。
Not to mention the fact that God himself ran the biggest stake-out of them all, and you knew that, come Judgment Day, you'd account for every last slip your preacher and his minions had somehow missed.
更不用说上帝亲自进行了最大的监视，而且你知道，在审判日到来时，你会解释你的传教士和他的爪牙不知何故错过的每一个最后的失误。
Small towns are always hotbeds of surveillance, but when you add fundamentalist religion to the mix, the things you can't do outnumber the things you can.
小城镇总是监视的温床，但当你将原教旨主义宗教加入其中时，你不能做的事情就会多于你能做的事情。
Sex is bad.
性是不好的。
Drinking's bad.
喝酒不好。
Smoking's bad.
抽烟不好。
Women standing up to their husbands is bad.
女人反抗丈夫是不好的。
Questioning scripture is bad.
质疑经文是不好的。
Not attending church is bad.
不去教堂是不好的。
Cussing is pretty damn bad.
骂人真是太糟糕了。
And, as my father would soon find out, moving away is really, really bad.
而且，正如我父亲很快就会发现的那样，搬走真的非常糟糕。
If you ask him why we left Braggs and moved to Bozeman-- and believe me, my mother's family has never stopped asking-- he'll launch into this whole song and dance about his health.
如果你问他为什么我们离开布拉格搬到博兹曼——相信我，我母亲的家人从来没有停止过问——他会开始用这整首歌和舞蹈来谈论他的健康。
One of the main deals was my asthma, health problems.
主要问题之一是我的哮喘和健康问题。
Now, Dad, you've been giving us the old, health line for years.
现在，爸爸，您多年来一直为我们提供古老的健康热线。
Yeah, that was one of the reasons for leaving there.
是的，这就是离开那里的原因之一。
Why?
为什么？
Sarah Vowell's Father Go somewhere that was a lot cooler, and--
莎拉·沃威尔的父亲 去一个凉爽得多的地方，然后——
And any other reasons?
还有其他原因吗？
I mean, what, specifically--
我的意思是，具体来说——
Dad, you're not answering the question.
爸爸，你没有回答问题。
Tell me what you hated about Oklahoma.
告诉我你讨厌俄克拉荷马州的什么。
Mainly, kind of the heat in the summertime.
主要是夏天的炎热。
My dad's being diplomatic.
我爸爸很外交。
No matter how many times I reassured him that this radio program is not on any stations in Oklahoma, and that no one in our family would listen to it if it were, he still didn't want to come right out and say why he wanted to leave Oklahoma.
不管我多少次向他保证这个广播节目不会在俄克拉荷马州的任何电台播出，而且如果有的话，我们家里没有人会听，他仍然不想直接站出来说出他为什么想离开俄克拉荷马州。
It was to get away from family, his and my mother's.
这是为了远离他和我母亲的家人。
They were nosy, and they were everywhere.
他们很爱管闲事，而且无处不在。
Every summer, itching to get away from them and Braggs, he'd drive us to the Rockies.
每年夏天，他都会开车送我们去落基山脉，渴望远离他们和布拉格。
Oh, look at the pretty mountains, Mom would say.
哦，看看美丽的山，妈妈会说。
That Old Faithful sure is something.
那座老忠实泉确实很了不起。
My mother, my sister, and I just thought we were on vacation.
我妈妈、姐姐和我以为我们是在度假。
Turns out Dad was scouting out an escape route.
原来爸爸正在寻找逃生路线。
He still wanted to live in a small town.
他仍然想住在一个小镇上。
It's just that he wanted to live in a small town where he didn't know anyone.
只是他想住在一个谁也不认识的小镇里。
So he picked Bozeman.
所以他选择了博兹曼。
It was the right size, surrounded by gorgeous mountains, and best of all, had the vital statistics he was after-- Vowell family, 4, acquaintances 0.
它的大小合适，周围环绕着美丽的山脉，最重要的是，有他想要的生命统计数据——沃威尔一家，4 人，熟人 0 人。
Arriving in Bozeman at the age of 11, I felt like we had just moved to Paris, a town of culture and ideas, of libraries, and movie theaters, and record stores.
11 岁时抵达博兹曼，我感觉就像我们刚刚搬到巴黎一样，这是一个充满文化和思想、图书馆、电影院和唱片店的小镇。
I still celebrate the first day we got there, June 5, as a birthday of sorts.
我仍然庆祝我们到达那里的第一天，即 6 月 5 日，就像生日一样。
Bozeman had miles and miles of cement for us to rollerskate around on, instead of the stunted 50-foot strip of sidewalk in our Braggs backyard.
博兹曼有数英里长的水泥供我们滑旱冰，而不是我们布拉格后院那条50英尺长的发育不良的人行道。
My sister Amy remembers pulling into town.
我姐姐艾米记得把车开进城。
I remember coming over the pass, and we'd been driving through the mountains or whatever, and it seemed really, super huge.
我记得翻过山口时，我们开车穿过山脉或其他什么地方，它看起来真的非常非常大。
It was weird being around so much concrete and just organization.
周围有这么多具体而公正的组织，这很奇怪。
We were just set loose out in the world, too.
我们也刚刚在这个世界上自由自在。
Where, in Oklahoma, we could wander around, but it was always like in the front pasture, or the back woods, or walk over to our pa's house or something.
在俄克拉荷马州，我们可以到处闲逛，但总是像在前面的牧场，或者后面的树林，或者走到我们爸爸的房子什么的。
None of this like, just cruise around a whole town.
这一切都不像，只是巡游整个城镇。
And it kind of freaked us out.
这让我们有点害怕。
But it was exciting, too.
但这也很令人兴奋。
Amy Vowell It was.
艾米·沃威尔 是的。
One of the things I liked about living in Bozeman was that there was a library.
我喜欢住在博兹曼的一件事是那里有一个图书馆。
Remember in Braggs, the whole school, wasn't it like a shelf with some books on it for 12 grades of people?
还记得在布拉格，整个学校不就像一个书架，上面放着一些供 12 年级学生使用的书籍吗？
And Bozeman had separate buildings that were libraries, and how fun that was to just go and look at all the books we wanted.
博兹曼有独立的建筑物，都是图书馆，去看看我们想要的所有书籍是多么有趣。
In Bozeman, I thrived, my sister blossomed, my father found his thrill, but the move was hard on my mom.
在博兹曼，我茁壮成长，我的妹妹蓬勃发展，我的父亲找到了他的刺激，但搬家对我的妈妈来说很艰难。
She missed her epic family.
她想念她的史诗般的家庭。
The thing that made my father squirm about small town life, being surrounded by people who know you, was exactly what she'd loved about it.
让我父亲对小镇生活感到不安的是，周围都是认识你的人，而这正是她所喜欢的。
Her family is huge and hilarious, with big mouths and bigger hearts.
她的家庭庞大而热闹，嘴巴很大，心也很大。
And up north, she missed her fiery, southern-style church.
在北方，她怀念她火热的南方风格教堂。
There weren't any other Pentecostals in Bozeman, so we ended up at the most frigid, watered-down, nondenominational Protestant house of worship possible.
博兹曼没有任何其他五旬节派教徒，所以我们最终来到了最冷漠、最淡化、最无宗派的新教礼拜堂。
We were used to this wrathful, angry, Old Testament Creator.
我们已经习惯了这位愤怒、愤怒的旧约造物主。
And sitting through week after week of God is love got pretty bland.
一周又一周地坐在上帝身边，爱变得相当平淡。
And after a few years, our church visits tapered off, which was fine by me.
几年后，我们去教堂的次数逐渐减少，这对我来说很好。
Mom, on the other hand, had to deal with not only her own loss of spiritual guidance and community, she had to sit by and watch her children losing Christian steam.
另一方面，妈妈不仅要面对自己失去精神指导和社区的问题，还要袖手旁观，看着孩子们失去基督教的动力。
Well, let's talk about something we generally avoid talking about.
好吧，让我们谈谈一些我们通常避免谈论的事情。
OK.
好的。
Sarah Vowell Do you think-- Well, as you know, at some point, I basically lost my faith and never got it back.
莎拉·沃威尔（Sarah Vowell）你认为——嗯，正如你所知，在某个时候，我基本上失去了信心，再也没有找回来。
Is that a regret of yours?
这是你的遗憾吗？
Do you think if we had stayed in Oklahoma, I would still be right there by your side at church with you?
你认为如果我们留在俄克拉荷马州，我还会在教堂陪在你身边吗？
That's interesting, Sarah, because I do think about that a lot.
这很有趣，莎拉，因为我确实经常思考这个问题。
I used to just really think, especially when I found out that you had lost your faith, I thought, if we would have stayed in Oklahoma, this wouldn't have happened to Sarah.
我曾经真的很想，特别是当我发现你失去了信仰时，我想，如果我们留在俄克拉荷马州，这种事就不会发生在莎拉身上。
I feel really guilty and really bad that we moved to Montana, and Sarah has lost this.
我们搬到蒙大拿州后，我感到非常内疚和难过，莎拉已经失去了这个。
But over the years, as I've seen you grow up and realize and know what kind of person you are, I'm wondering, even in Oklahoma, would you have began to search in different areas and maybe doubt?
但这些年来，随着我看着你长大，意识到并知道你是什么样的人，我想知道，即使在俄克拉荷马州，你是否会开始在不同的领域寻找，甚至怀疑？
No, no. I'm not.
不，不。我不是。
No, I'm not.
不，我不是。
I'm not.
我不是。
I love you very much, and I'm very proud of the person you are, and that's your choice.
我非常爱你，我为你这个人感到非常自豪，这是你的选择。
But it don't keep me from praying every night that you'll return to your faith, Sarah.
但这并不能阻止我每天晚上祈祷你能回归你的信仰，莎拉。
Amy told me-- I don't remember this-- but Amy said that once, when we were about 13 or so, when we were in Bozeman, you sat us down, and you asked us if we wanted to go back to Braggs.
艾米告诉过我——我不记得了——但艾米说有一次，当我们大约13岁左右的时候，当我们在博兹曼时，你让我们坐下来，问我们是否想回到布拉格。
And I would assume the reason for that is, that if we would have said yes, because you obviously wanted to go back, then we would have ganged up on dad or something.
我认为原因是，如果我们答应了，因为你显然想回去，那么我们就会联合起来对付爸爸什么的。
Do you remember that?
你还记得吗？
Yes, I do remember that.
是的，我确实记得这一点。
Sarah Vowell Were you really?
莎拉·沃威尔 你真的是这样吗？
How was it for you when we said we didn't want to go back?
当我们说我们不想回去时，你感觉怎么样？
Oh, I was totally devastated.
哦，我彻底崩溃了。
Yes, I remember that very well.
是的，我记得很清楚。
I think you were pretty quiet.
我觉得你很安静。
And it was really neat what Amy said to me.
艾米对我说的话真的很精彩。
She said, Momma, we understand that you're very unhappy here, and that you miss home, and if you feel that you need to go back, that's OK with Sarah and I.
她说，妈妈，我们知道你在这里很不开心，你想家，如果你觉得你需要回去，我和莎拉也没关系。
But we want to stay here.
但我们想留在这里。
And I looked at you, and I said, do you want to stay here, Sarah?
我看着你，我说，你想留在这里吗，莎拉？
And you said, yes, I do.
你说，是的，我愿意。
And so, I mean, I immediately wanted to burst into tears, but I thought, I need to compose myself here.
所以，我的意思是，我立刻想哭出来，但我想，我需要在这里让自己平静下来。
And later that night, as I thought about it, I guess it was a real turning point for me, actually, to start being happy here in Bozeman.
那天晚上晚些时候，当我想到这件事时，我想这对我来说是一个真正的转折点，实际上，在博兹曼开始感到快乐。
Because I thought, OK, I can't leave my children, so I better get it together.
因为我想，好吧，我不能离开我的孩子们，所以我最好把它们放在一起。
Because-- and I know you really don't like to hear me say this, Sarah-- because you and Amy have been and are the most important thing in my life.
因为——我知道你真的不喜欢听我这么说，莎拉——因为你和艾米一直是我生命中最重要的事情。
And so there's no way I could have ever gone away and left you.
所以我不可能离开你。
There's so much mother-daughter history in the way my Mom says, I know you don't like hearing me say this, because she knows I don't like hearing her say that I'm the most important thing in her life sometimes because of the guilt that involves.
我妈妈说的话里有太多母女的历史，我知道你不喜欢听我这么说，因为她知道我不喜欢听她说我是她生命中最重要的东西，有时因为这涉及到内疚。
And before I started working on this story, I'd always felt badly about the way she sacrificed her happiness for mine.
在我开始写这个故事之前，我一直对她为了我的幸福而牺牲自己的幸福感到难过。
I grew up believing she would've been better off in her little Oklahoma hometown, surrounded by family, embraced by the church.
我从小就相信她在俄克拉荷马州的小家乡会过得更好，那里有家人环绕，有教堂拥抱。
But I found out I was wrong.
但我发现我错了。
Now, do you still want to go back to Oklahoma?
现在，你还想回俄克拉荷马州吗？
Oh, no. No, I could never live in Oklahoma again.
哦，不。不，我再也不能住在俄克拉荷马州了。
Why not?
为什么不呢？
Sarah Vowell's Mother I really think that I've changed too much, Sarah.
莎拉·沃威尔的母亲 我真的认为我改变了太多，莎拉。
I mean, I love my brothers back there, dearly, and my best friend, Cathy, and there's lots of wonderful people that I just adore and love so much back there, but I do feel that I've changed so much in the 15 years that we've lived here that I could not live in Oklahoma again.
我的意思是，我深爱那里的兄弟们，还有我最好的朋友凯茜，那里有很多我非常崇拜和爱的优秀的人，但我确实觉得我们住在这里的 15 年里我改变了很多，我不能再住在俄克拉荷马州了。
So now, do you think then that Braggs is just too small?
那么现在，您是否认为布拉格太小了？
Yes, I do.
是的，我愿意。
Sarah Vowell And when you were growing up there, and when you were living your whole life there, before you moved to Montana, would you ever imagine that that would be true for you?
莎拉·沃威尔（Sarah Vowell） 当你在那里长大，当你在那里度过一生，在你搬到蒙大拿州之前，你有没有想过这对你来说是真的？
No, no. Growing up there, I never even dreamed in my wildest dreams about moving away from there.
不，不。在那里长大的我，在最疯狂的梦想中从未想过要离开那里。
I just always thought, I'll just meet someone here, and get married, and live the rest of my life here.
我一直想，我会在这里遇到一个人，然后结婚，然后在这里度过余生。
I guess your dream didn't come true.
我猜你的梦想没有实现。
Is that OK with you?
你觉得可以吗？
Oh yeah, yeah.
哦，是的，是的。
As difficult as it was moving to Bozeman the first few years and all the changes, it really, for all of us, was a good move.
尽管搬到博兹曼的最初几年很困难，而且发生了所有的变化，但对我们所有人来说，这确实是一个很好的举动。
Sarah Vowell's move to big-city Bozeman was so successful that she decided to repeat the experience.
莎拉·沃威尔搬到大城市博兹曼非常成功，她决定重复这段经历。
She move to Portland, population 500,000, Washington DC, population 600,000, San Francisco, population 700,000, and then, finally, Chicago, population 2.8 million.
她搬到了人口 50 万的波特兰、人口 60 万的华盛顿特区、人口 70 万的旧金山，最后搬到了人口 280 万的芝加哥。
Act Two.
第二幕。
How do you keep them going down on the farm?
你如何让他们在农场里继续下去？
Marry 'em.
嫁给他们吧。
All across America, people are moving away from small towns and rural areas in steady streams.
在美国各地，人们源源不断地离开小镇和农村地区。
So if you have stayed in a place where there aren't many people, and the ones that are there you've know since birth, how are you going to find somebody to marry?
所以，如果你住在一个人烟稀少的地方，而且那里的人都是你从出生起就认识的，你要如何找到对象结婚呢？
Well, you might join Singles In Agriculture.
好吧，你可以加入农业单身人士。
They hold get-togethers for singles all over the country.
他们为全国各地的单身人士举办聚会。
Reporter Liz Weil went with This American Life producer Alix Spiegel to a recent get-together in Galveston, Texas, at the Flagship Hotel on the beach, jutting out onto the water.
记者利兹·韦尔 (Liz Weil) 与《美国生活》制片人阿利克斯·斯皮格尔 (Alix Spiegel) 最近在德克萨斯州加尔维斯顿的海滩旗舰酒店参加了一次聚会，酒店位于水面上。
There were about 250 people from 26 states at meals and meetings, day trips, and dances.
来自 26 个州的约 250 人参加了宴会、会议、一日游和舞会。
Jim's an extreme case-- smart, charming, 52, looks 40, living on a farm outside Iona, South Dakota, population four.
吉姆是一个极端的例子——聪明、迷人，52 岁，看起来 40 岁，住在南达科他州爱奥那市郊外的一个农场，人口为 4 人。
It's 30 miles to the nearest grocery store.
距离最近的杂货店 30 英里。
The weather is so punishing, cows freeze solid standing up.
天气如此恶劣，奶牛站着都冻僵了。
His dilemma, nobody wants to move to his ranch, and he doesn't want to leave.
他的困境是，没有人愿意搬到他的牧场，他也不想离开。
This is not bragging on myself or anything, but I have had a girl offer to buy me a farm in another state if I would move and marry her, but I just can't leave it.
这并不是在吹嘘自己或任何事情，但我有一个女孩提出如果我愿意搬家并嫁给她的话，她愿意在另一个州给我买一个农场，但我就是不能离开。
Was that a hard choice?
这是一个艰难的选择吗？
Jim Yes, yes it was.
吉姆 是的，是的。
I couldn't see why, if I meant that much to her, why she couldn't move there to my place and stuff.
我不明白为什么，如果我对她来说如此重要，为什么她不能搬到我的地方和东西那里。
And yes, her land had been in her family for a long time, I guess it's--
是的，她的土地很长时间以来一直属于她的家族，我想是——
This is a typical problem for people in SIA.
这是新航员工面临的一个典型问题。
They're all farmers, all tied to their land, though Jim's situation is particularly harsh.
他们都是农民，都与自己的土地息息相关，尽管吉姆的处境尤其严峻。
He tells me he realized that a few years ago when the group's director went out to visit him.
他告诉我，几年前，当集团的主管出去拜访他时，他就意识到了这一点。
Even she was stunned by how isolated he was.
就连她也对他如此孤立感到震惊。
She said it would take a remarkable woman to move to his ranch.
她说需要一位杰出的女性才能搬到他的牧场。
So do you, realistically, think that you're going to get married?
那么，你真的认为你会结婚吗？
I would like to.
我想。
I guess it's always in the back of your mind, you would hope to.
我想它总是在你的脑海里，你会希望如此。
But you want an honest answer.
但你想要一个诚实的答案。
I don't think it's going to happen.
我认为这不会发生。
It's going to take a special girl.
这需要一个特别的女孩。
You're a city girl, both of you are.
你是城里女孩，你们俩都是。
I'd ask you, would you be willing to live out, even give the consideration of living out, and trying something like that?
我问你，你愿意出去生活，甚至考虑出去生活，尝试这样的事情吗？
Jim's own mother even admitted that, had she known where she'd been moving, she might not have married his father and moved to the land.
吉姆的母亲甚至承认，如果她知道自己要搬到哪里，她可能就不会嫁给他的父亲并搬到这片土地上。
It's Thursday night, the first night of the get-together, and we're all at a dance in a Victorian gazebo, with wood floors so old, women have been asked to wear boots, not heels.
这是周四晚上，聚会的第一个晚上，我们都在维多利亚时代的凉亭里参加舞会，木地板太旧了，女人被要求穿靴子，而不是高跟鞋。
Everyone's so happy to be here.
每个人都很高兴来到这里。
I have the sense I'm talking to people who don't get to talk to other human beings enough.
我有一种感觉，我正在和那些与其他人交谈不够的人交谈。
About 10:00, I sit down next to Martha, a twice-widowed woman from Indiana.
大约 10:00，我坐在玛莎旁边，她是一位来自印第安纳州的两次丧偶的妇女。
She's small and nearly 60, wearing a sweatshirt she has decorated with glitter and beads.
她身材矮小，年近 60 岁，穿着一件饰有亮片和珠子的运动衫。
SIA is the focus of her life.
新航是她生活的重心。
It gives me something to live for, because I'm very lonely, and I need this to keep me going.
它给了我生存的理由，因为我很孤独，我需要它让我继续前进。
Because the first camp-out I went to, I cried when it was time to go home.
因为我第一次去露营，回家的时候我哭了。
And they was singing church music, and I couldn't sing, I was crying so hard.
他们唱教堂音乐，我唱不出来，我哭得很厉害。
And I was giving everybody hugs.
我给了每个人拥抱。
I love hugs.
我喜欢拥抱。
Then this one guy just held me, and held me.
然后这个人就抱着我，一直抱着我。
He said, are you OK?
他说，你还好吗？
He just held me, and held me till I got calmed down.
他只是抱着我，一直抱着我，直到我平静下来。
I said, it just shows how lonely I am, I guess.
我说，这只是表明我有多么孤独，我想。
Martha tells me that her favorite dance is The Waterfall.
玛莎告诉我她最喜欢的舞蹈是《瀑布》。
How it works is that the women form one line, the men form another, and the two meet in the middle like a zipper, couples dancing up the floor.
它的运作方式是，女人们排成一排，男人排成另一排，两者像拉链一样在中间相遇，情侣们在地板上跳舞。
Martha tells me she likes The Waterfall because you don't need a partner.
玛莎告诉我她喜欢瀑布，因为你不需要伴侣。
You just stand in line, and the line moves.
你只要排队，队伍就会移动。
You pull a body close, get hugged.
你把身体拉近，被拥抱。
The next day is Friday.
第二天是星期五。
Half the farmers board yellow buses for the NASA Space Center.
一半的农民乘坐黄色巴士前往美国宇航局航天中心。
The other half trek to Houston for a World's Fair-style livestock show.
另一半则长途跋涉前往休斯敦观看世界博览会式的牲畜表演。
About every 15 minutes, over the course of the day, somebody tries to convince me, no, this group isn't about hooking up, it's about friendship, camaraderie, everyone's one big family.
一天中，大约每隔 15 分钟，就会有人试图说服我，不，这个团体不是为了勾搭，而是为了友谊、同志情谊，每个人都是一个大家庭。
But later in the afternoon, I bump into a group of SIA women who are clearly on the make.
但下午晚些时候，我遇到了一群显然正在崭露头角的 SIA 女性。
One's just bought a t-shirt that reads, cowboy butts drive me nuts.
有人刚买了一件 T 恤，上面写着：牛仔屁股让我发疯。
Maroon shirt ladies, maroon shirt, to the left.
栗色衬衫女士，栗色衬衫，左边。
Oh, when we were eating, oh, jeez did they walk past us.
哦，当我们吃饭的时候，哦，天哪，他们从我们身边走过。
No, no, the best one was the guy that was showing the palomino horse.
不，不，最好的一个是展示帕洛米诺马的那个人。
He was good.
他很好。
I'm looking at the guy in the black hat right here.
我正在看着这里那个戴黑帽子的家伙。
So what do you look for in the jeans, Lee's, Levi's, Wrangler's?
那么，您在 Lee's、Levi's、Wrangler's 牛仔裤中寻找什么？
What's in them.
它们里面有什么。
Liz Weil These girls are a rowdy, hardcore bunch.
莉兹·韦尔 这些女孩是一群吵闹、铁杆的女孩。
They're youngish, around 30, loud, constantly making cracks.
他们很年轻，大约30岁，声音很大，总是制造裂缝。
Kate, the most vocal of them, is broad and strong, a dairy cow wrangler from Wisconsin.
凯特是其中最有发言权的，她身材魁梧，身体强壮，是一位来自威斯康星州的奶牛牧牛人。
In this crowd, she plays the tomboy.
在这群人中，她扮演着假小子的角色。
She brags about telling the men she dances with that if someone wants to pick a fight, she'll do the punching.
她吹嘘自己告诉和她跳舞的男人，如果有人想挑衅，她就会出拳。
But once alone in her hotel room, her tough girl attitude fades away.
但一旦独自一人呆在酒店房间里，她强硬的女孩态度就消失了。
I think of myself as a lady.
我认为自己是一位女士。
If you treat me like a lady, I mean, I treat them well.
如果你像对待女士一样对待我，我的意思是，我对他们很好。
I guess, I'm more traditional, older-fashioned, I guess they call it.
我想，我更传统，更守旧，我想他们是这样称呼的。
She goes on to tell me about a friend of hers, a woman who prayed every night to meet somebody and eventually did.
她接着向我讲述了她的一个朋友的故事，她是一位每天晚上都祈祷能见到某个人的女人，并且最终如愿以偿。
So do you do that?
那么你会这样做吗？
Do you pray about what the kind of person--?
你是否为什么样的人祷告——？
What?
什么？
Well, yeah.
嗯，是的。
I mean, you pray that God leads you or guides you to, or guides him and you to meet sometime, and what kind of guy you would like.
我的意思是，你祈祷上帝带领你或引导你，或引导他和你在某个时候见面，以及你想要什么样的人。
And she told me, be specific.
她告诉我，要具体。
You can't just say a guy that's got two legs, a hat, and whatever, a belt buckle.
你不能只说一个有两条腿、一顶帽子、还有皮带扣之类的人。
So are you following her directions?
那么你遵循她的指示吗？
Are you being specific?
你说得具体点吗？
No, I mean, I do this, like, every night.
不，我是说，我每天晚上都会这样做。
Oh, it does.
哦，确实如此。
Liz Weil Down the hall from Kate are Ernie and Sally, a couple who met through SIA.
莉兹·韦尔 (Liz Weil) 凯特的大厅尽头是厄尼 (Ernie) 和莎莉 (Sally)，他们是通过新航认识的夫妇。
He's 50ish, from Oklahoma, grows sesame and delivers mail.
他 50 多岁，来自俄克拉荷马州，种芝麻并送邮件。
She's a school teacher from Kansas, incredibly hot, in a short, tight dress and baby-doll tee.
她是一位来自堪萨斯州的学校老师，穿着紧身短裙和娃娃 T 恤，非常性感。
At this point in their relationship, they only book one hotel room.
在他们的关系中，他们只预订了一间酒店房间。
And right now, Ernie is in there fixing Sally's boot.
现在，厄尼正在那里修理莎莉的靴子。
The smell of epoxy is mind-numbing.
环氧树脂的气味令人麻木。
They detail their first date.
他们详细描述了他们的第一次约会。
We were going to a dance, Halloween dance, and I got to her house.
我们要去参加一场舞会，万圣节舞会，然后我去了她家。
Drove six hours to get there, and in less then 15 minutes, she was begging me to take her dress off.
开了六个小时的车才到达那里，不到 15 分钟，她就求我脱掉她的衣服。
OK, let me explain.
好吧，让我解释一下。
Ernie had brought over a blue flapper dress.
厄尼带来了一件蓝色的裙摆连衣裙。
His former wife had made it.
他的前妻成功了。
Sally wanted to look at it, maybe wear it as a costume.
莎莉想看看它，也许可以把它当作服装穿。
I get there, and she's, oh, I got to try that dress on.
我到了那里，她说，哦，我得试穿那件衣服。
She looked at it.
她看着它。
She ran in the bathroom and put this dress on.
她跑进浴室，穿上这件衣服。
And I waited, and I waited, and pretty soon I heard this, Ernie.
我等啊等啊，很快我就听到了这个消息，厄尼。
Well, I put the dress on.
嗯，我把衣服穿上了。
Ernie Help me.
厄尼 帮帮我。
And it was tight.
而且很紧。
It was really tight.
真的很紧。
So we kind of stand there and talk awhile, and I'm just thinking--
所以我们站在那里聊了一会儿，我只是在想——
And I said, well, what do I do?
我说，好吧，我该怎么办？
And I was, where do you grab?
我当时在想，你要抓哪里？
He goes, where do you want me to get a hold of you?
他走了，你要我去哪里抓住你？
Both Ernie and Sally lost their spouses.
厄尼和莎莉都失去了配偶。
They both felt sparks five or six months ago when they first met.
五六个月前，他们第一次见面时就擦出了火花。
They live a reasonable distance apart by SIA standards, but, and this is the problem with a national organization of rural singles, the logistics make it nearly impossible to date.
按照 SIA 的标准，他们的住处相距合理，但是，这是一个全国性的农村单身组织的问题，物流使得约会几乎不可能。
And how often do you get a chance to see each other?
你们多久有机会见面一次？
About every two weeks we get together, every couple weeks.
大约每两周我们聚一次，每隔几周。
It's a good six-hour drive.
六个小时的车程还不错。
I don't care how you go.
我不在乎你怎样走。
Phone bills are pretty high, too.
电话费也相当高。
Be a lot cheaper if you married me, wouldn't it?
如果你嫁给我，会便宜很多，不是吗？
He says I push him a little bit.
他说我有点逼他。
Can you believe that?
你能相信吗？
I can't believe that.
我简直不敢相信。
Do you feel like she pushes you a little bit?
你觉得她有点逼你吗？
Sally and Ernie have this little routine.
莎莉和厄尼有这个小习惯。
Like most set pieces couples have, it's only half in jest.
就像大多数情侣的定位球一样，这只是半开玩笑的。
She ribs him constantly about getting married, he hedges.
她不断地取笑他要结婚，他回避道。
They love each other, but they're at different points in their lives.
他们彼此相爱，但却处于人生的不同阶段。
How long you been single?
你单身多久了？
Sally 11 years.
莎莉11岁。
Husband died, had a heart attack.
丈夫因心脏病去世。
And I've been a year and eight months.
我已经一年零八个月了。
So I've got about a year before I might decide whether I'm going to do anything and who with.
所以我有大约一年的时间来决定是否要做什么以及与谁一起做。
Ernie didn't expect to meet somebody so quickly.
厄尼没想到这么快就遇到了一个人。
In fact, he wasn't sure he'd meet somebody at all.
事实上，他根本不确定自己会遇到什么人。
He married young, didn't have many girlfriends before that.
他很早就结婚了，在此之前没有几个女朋友。
Right now, this is his first round of dating.
现在，这是他的第一轮约会。
It's a heady experience, and one he's not ready to give up yet.
这是一次令人兴奋的经历，他还没有准备好放弃。
Women knew, if you're widowed, they're interested.
女人们知道，如果你丧偶，她们就会感兴趣。
It's definitely a plus over someone that's divorced.
相对于离婚的人来说，这绝对是一个优势。
Friday night is the second dance.
周五晚上是第二场舞会。
And when I bump into Ernie, he's passing out these business cards.
当我碰到厄尼时，他正在分发这些名片。
They have rainbows on them, and they read, Ernest Ernie W.
它们上面有彩虹，上面写着：欧内斯特·厄尼·W.
Schmidt, married 32 years, widowed, I'm attracted to you, let's be good friends.
施密特，结婚32年，丧偶，我被你吸引了，我们成为好朋友吧。
Sally, as you might imagine, is not so thrilled about this.
正如你可能想象的那样，莎莉对此并不那么兴奋。
She has enough good friends, at least for the time being.
她有足够多的好朋友，至少目前是这样。
While Ernie mingles, we talk to her in the back room.
当厄尼闲聊时，我们在后面的房间里和她说话。
Oh, I would marry him.
哦，我会嫁给他。
I mean, if we break up, I'm going to just be heartbroken.
我的意思是，如果我们分手，我会心碎。
It's going to be really bad, because my husband's been gone for 11 years, and I haven't met anybody that I would marry but Ernie.
这真的会很糟糕，因为我丈夫已经去世十一年了，除了厄尼，我还没有遇到任何可以结婚的人。
Sally stops her interview, saying she better get back to Ernie.
莎莉停止了采访，说她最好回到厄尼身边。
She's worried that he'll miss her.
她担心他会想念她。
A moment later, we head out from the back room.
过了一会儿，我们从里屋出去了。
I see Ernie with a blond woman, two-stepping on the dance floor.
我看到厄尼和一个金发女人在舞池上迈着两步。
Half an hour later, we run into Ernie and Sally kissing on the veranda.
半小时后，我们遇到厄尼和莎莉在阳台上接吻。
Sometime after this, Sally sends me a note.
此后不久，莎莉给我发了一张便条。
On the envelope she writes, in all capitals, I WILL MARRY ERNIE SOMEDAY.
她在信封上用大写字母写道：有一天我会嫁给厄尼。
The night starts winding down, at least I think it starts winding down until I realize something, nobody's planning on going to sleep.
夜晚开始慢慢过去，至少我认为它开始慢慢过去，直到我意识到，没有人打算睡觉。
The people who come to SIA spend a lot of time alone.
来到新航的人会花很多时间独处。
They crave company, affection, basic human contact.
他们渴望陪伴、关爱和基本的人际接触。
It's past midnight when the farmers leave the gazebo and return to the Flagship Hotel.
当农民们离开凉亭回到旗舰酒店时，已是午夜时分。
Everybody's tired, but they don't go to bed.
每个人都很累，但他们不去睡觉。
The hit the beach.
袭击了海滩。
Come on, I got to show you something out there.
来吧，我得给你看一些东西。
Jim, the first guy I talked to back at the first dance, drags a fully clothed women into the water.
吉姆是我在第一场舞会上第一个和我交谈的人，他把一个穿着衣服的女人拖进了水里。
[SQUEALING AND PLAY SOUNDS FROM THE SURF]
[海浪的尖叫声和播放声]
There's something really high school-esque about the whole SIA experience.
整个新航的经历确实有一种高中风格。
Like right now, the moon is out, the air is salty, and we're in this huge awkward group.
就像现在，月亮出来了，空气里都是咸味的，而我们就在这个巨大而尴尬的群体中。
And what do people do to cash in on the moment?
人们现在会做什么来赚钱呢？
Pair off?
配对？
Nope.
没有。
They sing.
他们唱歌。
Sia Group --never, never come to play.
Sia Group——永远、永远不要来玩。
I call you ick, you make me sick.
我叫你恶心，你让我恶心。
Note, none of them has had a drop to drink.
请注意，他们都没有喝过一滴水。
[GENERAL APPLAUSE, HOOTING] Ira Glass Evening winds down, and the couples at SIA head toward the climactic night of their weekend, in a minute, when our program continues.
[热烈掌声，欢呼声] Ira Glass 之夜结束了，SIA 的情侣们即将进入周末的高潮之夜，此时我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week we choose a theme, of course, and invite a variety of writers, and reporters, and documentary producers to take a whack at that theme.
当然，我们每周都会选择一个主题，并邀请各种作家、记者和纪录片制片人来探讨这个主题。
Today's theme, Small Towns.
今天的主题是小镇。
Liz Weil's story continues about a four-day get together of SIA, Singles In Agriculture.
莉兹·韦尔 (Liz Weil) 的故事继续讲述 SIA 农业单身人士为期四天的聚会。
Saturday, we wake up to some incredibly tedious meetings, which, by some heroic faith, people manage to love.
星期六，我们醒来时会参加一些极其乏味的会议，但出于某种英雄的信念，人们设法喜欢这些会议。
It completely undermines all critical standards of what's compelling, what's fun.
它完全破坏了所有关于什么是引人注目、什么是有趣的关键标准。
Event financial record be forwarded to the national office within 90 days of the last day of the activity.
活动财务记录应在活动最后一天后 90 天内转发至国家办公室。
Later Saturday afternoon, I catch up with Martha, the woman who told me that SIA gives her reason to live.
周六下午晚些时候，我找到了玛莎，她告诉我 SIA 给了她活下去的理由。
She's in her room, sewing the final beads on a sweater she's making for tonight's banquet and flag ceremony.
她正在自己的房间里，在为今晚的宴会和升旗仪式制作的毛衣上缝制最后的珠子。
The handiwork seems to relax her.
手工工作似乎让她放松了。
She's got this other sweatshirt, her hug sweatshirt, that she wears at the end of every SIA retreat.
她还有另一件运动衫，她的拥抱运动衫，她在每次 SIA 静修结束时都会穿这件运动衫。
I met this friend, and she sent me this bookmark about why God made hugs.
我遇到了这位朋友，她给我寄了这个书签，讲述上帝为何创造拥抱。
And I don't remember it, but I had my daughter enlarge it on the computer and put it on a scroll.
我不记得了，但我让女儿在电脑上放大它，然后把它放在卷轴上。
And I put it on the sweatshirt.
我把它放在运动衫上。
And I tell people that I didn't invent the hugs, God did, because he gives a reason in this poem why.
我告诉人们拥抱不是我发明的，而是上帝发明的，因为他在这首诗中给出了原因。
And you've seen pictures of how much he loves us, and stretches out his arms.
你已经看到了他多么爱我们，并伸出双臂的照片。
And I like hugs.
我喜欢拥抱。
Martha tells me she's a recovering alcoholic.
玛莎告诉我她正在戒酒。
She tells me that one of her children, her daughter, died in 1981.
她告诉我，她的一个孩子，也就是她的女儿，于 1981 年去世了。
She works evenings at Kmart, because she can't stand to spend her nights alone.
她晚上在凯马特工作，因为她无法忍受独自度过夜晚。
It seems like I've had so many bad things happen in my life that now something good is happening, meeting these people.
似乎我的生活中发生了很多糟糕的事情，但现在遇到这些人，好事正在发生。
My friend in Florida thinks I ought to go to AA and tell my story, Because she said, Martha, you've been through wars.
我在佛罗里达的朋友认为我应该去 AA 讲述我的故事，因为她说，玛莎，你经历过战争。
Martha goes on to tell me that before SIA events, she gets so excited that she worries that she'll have a heart attack or a stroke.
玛莎接着告诉我，在 SIA 活动之前，她非常兴奋，担心自己会心脏病发作或中风。
People spend a lot of time getting ready for Saturday night's banquet.
人们花很多时间为周六晚上的宴会做准备。
Women wear dresses with slits and sequins.
女性则穿带有开衩和亮片的连衣裙。
Men wear jackets, bolo ties.
男士穿夹克，系波洛领带。
This is the big event, the final showdown.
这是一场大事件，最后的对决。
The evening starts with a prayer.
晚上从祈祷开始。
We take pause before you God, acknowledging we can rest quietly in your arms, with confidence and assurance of your love, grace, and mercy, as we walk through this season called singledness, as we ask, hope, and believe all things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
我们在上帝面前停下来，承认我们可以安静地安息在你的怀抱中，相信并保证你的爱、恩典和怜悯，当我们走过这个称为单身的季节时，当我们奉耶稣基督的名祈求、希望和相信一切时，阿门。
OK, flag bearers, here we go.
好的，旗手们，我们开始吧。
What's going on here is really rather incredible.
这里发生的事情确实令人难以置信。
There are 50 men and women lined up in long aisles by twos.
50名男女两三两两排在长长的过道上。
Each person is bearing a flimsy, nylon handkerchief-sized flag on a long, thin pole.
每个人都在一根细长的杆子上举着一面尼龙手帕大小的脆弱旗帜。
It would be campy if people's eyes weren't so reverent, so serious.
如果人们的目光不是那么虔诚、那么严肃，那就太做作了。
They march towards the front of the room.
他们朝房间前面走去。
After dinner, a man gives a very boring talk on Russian agriculture.
晚饭后，一个男人就俄罗斯农业做了一次非常无聊的演讲。
Plaques are awarded to old board members.
牌匾被授予老董事会成员。
Election results are announced for the new.
新一届选举结果揭晓。
At the end of the banquet, Eldon, the outgoing president, gets up to make a speech.
宴会结束时，即将卸任的总统埃尔登起身发表讲话。
He's good-looking, jovial, in his 40s.
他四十多岁，相貌英俊，性格开朗。
He beats the podium nervously with his hand.
他紧张地用手敲着讲台。
A smile creeps across his face.
他的脸上浮现出微笑。
So I guess I got one more thing I got to say, or I'm going to be a dead duck before this night is over.
所以我想我还有一件事要说，否则在今晚结束之前我就会成为一只死鸭子。
A year ago, I could not find hired help to go on harvest.
一年前，我找不到雇工来收割庄稼。
I was ticked off, I don't mind telling you.
我很生气，我不介意告诉你。
My income was just plummeting like a rock.
我的收入就像石头一样直线下降。
Well, I got to go to Indiana.
好吧，我得去印第安纳州。
We got a board meeting.
我们召开了董事会会议。
And I'm not harvesting, so I don't have an excuse.
而且我不收割，所以我没有借口。
I met somebody there that, she probably won't like this, but at the time, didn't really help my mood that much.
我在那里遇到了一个人，她可能不会喜欢这样，但当时，这并没有真正帮助我的心情。
Fortunately, she didn't give up, and she stayed in contact with me.
幸运的是，她没有放弃，一直和我保持联系。
So you people, you got to remember, I've been in this thing a long time.
所以你们这些人，你们必须记住，我已经从事这件事很长时间了。
And I guess I wouldn't say that I had given up, but I really wasn't searching that hard.
我想我不会说我已经放弃了，但我确实没有那么努力地寻找。
And I found somebody, and it's going to result in a wedding dance April the 5, and anybody--
我找到了一个人，这将导致 4 月 5 日举行婚礼舞会，任何人——
[APPLAUSE] Liz Weil Everybody stands up and claps and hollers for what seems like a good 10 minutes.
[掌声] Liz Weil 每个人都站起来鼓掌欢呼，这 10 分钟似乎很美好。
People are so exquisitely happy, wistful, jealous, and proud.
人们是如此的快乐、渴望、嫉妒和自豪。
The scene feels oddly like the end of a Miss America Pageant.
这一幕奇怪地感觉就像美国小姐选美比赛的结束。
Women cry and clasp hands over their mouths.
妇女们哭泣并用手捂住嘴。
When the ovation fades, they gather around the bride-to-be.
当欢呼声散去时，他们聚集在准新娘周围。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] I'm so proud.
[无法理解]我很自豪。
I'm so glad.
我很高兴。
So am I.
我也是。
I'm so happy.
我很高兴。
Sia Woman 6 I bet you are.
Sia 女人 6 我打赌你是。
I'll bet you are.
我敢打赌你是。
Whoo hoo.
呼呼。
Liz Weil In the crowd, I see Martha looking overwhelmed.
莉兹·韦尔 在人群中，我看到玛莎看上去不知所措。
She embraces Eldon's fiancee.
她拥抱埃尔登的未婚妻。
Oh, quite a shock.
哦，真是太震惊了。
Oh, but you're so lucky.
哦，不过你真幸运。
I think I'm lucky, too.
我想我也很幸运。
No, I'm not lucky, I'm blessed.
不，我不是幸运，我是幸运的。
I know I'm not supposed to envy people, but I do.
我知道我不应该嫉妒别人，但我就是嫉妒。
I want love so bad.
我是如此渴望爱情。
Liz Weil By tonight at the dance, any reserve the farmer's had has pretty much faded away.
利兹·韦尔：到了今晚的舞会，农民的所有保留几乎都消失了。
There's more winking, more flirting, more moving of hips, less chat about seed corn around the edges of the room.
人们更多地眨眼，更多地调情，更多地移动臀部，更少地在房间边缘谈论玉米种子。
When the "Macarena" cues up, Jim shakes his South Dakota booty with heartbreaking deliberateness and intent.
当“Macarena”响起时，吉姆带着令人心碎的深思熟虑和意图摇动他在南达科他州的战利品。
Meanwhile, Kate, the tomboy with the eye for cowboy butts, remains in the back of the room.
与此同时，凯特，这个喜欢牛仔屁股的假小子，仍然留在房间的后面。
She spent most of her evening tangling with Rod, a tall, crazy-haired rancher who apparently does not like to dance.
她晚上的大部分时间都在和罗德纠缠，罗德是一位身材高大、头发乱七八糟的牧场主，显然不喜欢跳舞。
From 10:00 to 11:00, they pull and punch each other, get to know one another's bodies by yanking skirts and stealing hats.
从10:00到11:00，他们互相拉扯、拳打脚踢，拉裙子、偷帽子来了解对方的身体。
It's classic mating, junior high style.
这是经典的交配，初中风格。
When they head out on the veranda, my producer and I follow.
当他们走到阳台上时，我和我的制片人也跟着他们。
So how is your night going?
那么你的夜晚过得怎么样？
Kate How's my night going?
凯特 我今晚过得怎么样？
It's all right.
没关系。
Any excitement?
有兴奋吗？
Kate [LAUGHTER] Any excitement, depends whose excitement we're talking about.
凯特[笑声]任何兴奋，取决于我们正在谈论谁的兴奋。
Kate's been working on Rod since early this morning.
凯特从今天一大早就开始研究罗德了。
They have similar ages, energy levels, goofy karmas.
他们有相似的年龄、精力水平和愚蠢的业力。
While Kate's been talking to us, Rod's been leaning on the railing, a couple of yards away.
当凯特和我们说话时，罗德靠在几码外的栏杆上。
Just now, though, a tall brunette walks over and starts chatting him up.
然而就在这时，一个身材高大的黑发女人走过来并开始和他搭讪。
Kate doesn't move.
凯特一动不动。
She just gets quiet, and loses interest in our interview entirely.
她就变得安静了，对我们的采访完全失去了兴趣。
Listen, I can't [UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE].
听着，我不能[难以理解的短语]。
I got to listen to this girl talk over here, because she's like, she's saying, you're the most handsome guy here.
我必须在这里听这个女孩说话，因为她说，你是这里最帅的家伙。
That's what she's telling him.
这就是她要告诉他的。
I can sure see that.
我肯定能看到这一点。
I mean, I don't have to look at people, but I can hear what the hell they're talking about.
我的意思是，我不必看别人，但我能听到他们到底在说什么。
And when I hear my name mentioned, I perked up a little bit.
当我听到提到我的名字时，我精神抖擞了一些。
No, she's not talking.
不，她没有说话。
She's after that guy.
她在追那个人。
I mean, I knew that.
我的意思是，我知道这一点。
She was with us today.
她今天和我们在一起。
She's after Rod?
她在追寻罗德？
That guy?
那个家伙？
She's after that guy?
她在追那个男人？
Shh.
嘘。
See, I can just stand over here and make like I'm talking to you guys, and I can hear everything.
看，我可以站在这里，假装我正在和你们说话，我可以听到一切。
Tell us what she's saying.
告诉我们她在说什么。
Kate She says-- she said something about play into this.
凯特她说——她说了一些关于玩耍的事情。
Listen.
听。
Oh, she's going back.
哦，她要回去了。
She ain't going to talk to him anymore.
她不会再和他说话了。
I'm going to see-- Oh, he's not going back.
我要去看看——哦，他不会回去了。
Kate snags Rod, and the two of them walk back into the gazebo.
凯特拉住罗德，两人走回凉亭。
It's clear that this is only a minor glitch.
很明显，这只是一个小故障。
The dance ends at midnight.
舞会在午夜结束。
Kate and Rod hop in a cab and head downtown.
凯特和罗德跳上出租车前往市中心。
We make for the hotel.
我们前往酒店。
Jim offers us a ride in his van, which he bought especially for SIA events, and which feels like a huge babe trap.
吉姆让我们乘坐他的面包车，这是他专门为新航活动购买的，感觉就像一个巨大的宝贝陷阱。
The van is dark red and finely upholstered.
这辆货车是深红色的，装潢精美。
Riding shotgun is Marie.
骑着霰弹枪的是玛丽。
Where you going?
你要去哪里？
Marie We're living it up.
玛丽 我们正在努力生活。
Where are you going?
你要去哪里？
We'll find something.
我们会找到一些东西。
Jim We'll go back to Marie's room and party, huh?
吉姆：我们会回到玛丽的房间参加聚会，嗯？
Major plans decided, the moment gets more personal.
重大计划决定了，这一刻变得更加个人化。
This is the time for putting on moves, to make something happen tonight.
现在是采取行动、让今晚发生一些事情的时候了。
This is my kind of music.
这就是我喜欢的音乐。
What kind of music do you girls like?
女生喜欢什么类型的音乐？
Well, this is OK, but I-- Jim It's just OK, huh?
嗯，这没关系，但是我——吉姆，这还可以，是吧？
Cat got your tongue?
猫咬到你的舌头了吗？
Later people, mostly men, sit around the hospitality suite.
后来的人们，大部分是男性，坐在招待套房周围。
Jim pokes his head in.
吉姆把头探了进去。
He grins and tells us that he's going upstairs with Marie.
他笑着告诉我们他要和玛丽一起上楼。
At 5:00 in the morning, Rod and Kate sheepishly come back from downtown.
早上5:00，罗德和凯特不好意思地从市中心回来。
In the morning, the weekend ends with an egg and sausage breakfast, "Amazing Grace," and the SIA tradition of everybody hugging everybody else in the room.
早上，周末以鸡蛋和香肠早餐结束，“奇异恩典”和新航的传统是每个人都拥抱房间里的其他人。
Everybody looks exhausted, like students after exams.
每个人都看起来很疲惫，就像考试结束后的学生一样。
Martha spends a long time crying at the window, watching the cars pull out, talking about how she already misses the hugs.
玛莎在窗前哭了很长时间，看着汽车驶出，谈论她是多么想念那些拥抱。
She's wearing her special hugs sweatshirt, the one with the poem sewn on the front.
她穿着一件特殊的拥抱运动衫，前面缝着这首诗。
The loop appears to be starting over.
循环似乎要重新开始。
Martha's returning to her empty trailer in Indiana, where she'll be lonely, and work evenings at Kmart, and save up her money for the next SIA event.
玛莎将返回印第安纳州的空拖车，在那里她会感到孤独，晚上在凯马特工作，为下一次 SIA 活动存钱。
But then something happens.
但随后发生了一些事情。
A man pulls a game store coin out of his pocket.
一名男子从口袋里掏出一枚游戏店硬币。
He gives it to her.
他把它给了她。
She reads aloud.
她大声朗读。
Good for a hug and a kiss anytime, anywhere.
适合随时随地拥抱和亲吻。
It doesn't say, any place.
它没有说，任何地方。
Can I have it?
我可以拥有吗？
No, it's the only one I got.
不，这是我唯一拥有的。
Martha Will you make a copy?
玛莎 你能复印一份吗？
Here, in front of everybody?
在这里，当着所有人的面？
Martha Yeah, God too.
玛莎 是的，上帝也是。
God's watching.
上帝在看着。
Oh, my gosh.
哦，天哪。
Liz Weil When the two come out of the kiss, they both seem surprised.
莉兹·韦尔 (Liz Weil) 当两人吻完后，两人都显得很惊讶。
At the outset, they both expected a peck.
一开始，他们都期待着啄一下。
But in the middle, something else kicked in.
但到了中间，却发生了其他事情。
Something so basic, that when it hits you, you don't ask why.
一些如此基本的东西，当它击中你时，你不会问为什么。
Hey, it's been a long time since I had a kiss.
嘿，我已经很久没有接吻了。
Act Three, Small town in the big city.
第三幕，大城市中的小镇。
The fact is a small town can be anywhere, even in the heart of what many people see as one of the harshest urban environments in the country.
事实上，小镇可以在任何地方，即使是在许多人认为是该国最恶劣的城市环境之一的中心地带。
Paul Johnson, Carlos Appleby, and Sanantonio Brooks are teenagers living in public housing on Chicago's South Side at 4120 South Prairie.
Paul Johnson、Carlos Appleby 和 Sanantonio Brooks 是住在芝加哥南区南草原 4120 号公共住房的青少年。
People who live there just call the building, 4120.
住在那里的人只需给大楼打电话：4120。
It's a highrise building, 16 stories tall, 10 apartments on each floor, with an open air hallway on each floor that people who live there just call a porch.
这是一栋高层建筑，高16层，每层10间公寓，每层都有一个露天走廊，住在那里的人称之为门廊。
We sent them out with a tape recorder to their building to record what happens there, and then talked to them in our studios about how their building is like a small town.
我们派他们带着录音机到他们的大楼去记录那里发生的事情，然后在我们的工作室里和他们谈论他们的大楼如何像一个小镇。
You can get haircuts there.
你可以在那里理发。
Girls can get their hair done, their nails done in there.
女孩们可以在那里做头发、做指甲。
Clothes, somebody that make clothes in the building.
衣服，在大楼里做衣服的人。
A real candy store?
真正的糖果店？
Paul Johnson Yeah, a candy store.
保罗·约翰逊 是的，一家糖果店。
A real candy store.
真正的糖果店。
There's a real candy store.
有一家真正的糖果店。
There's a couple of candy stores in the building.
大楼里有几家糖果店。
And is it like a real candy store?
它像真正的糖果店吗？
It's like somebody's apartment, they have a little fix-it-up?
这就像某人的公寓，他们有一些装修吗？
Right, they sell food too.
对了，他们也卖食物。
It's like our own community inside the building.
这就像我们在大楼内自己的社区。
Now that we are on the 12th floor at the candy store.
现在我们在糖果店的 12 楼。
They have, like, six different varieties of potato chips, all for $0.25 each.
他们有六种不同品种的薯片，每片售价 0.25 美元。
They have penny candy, meaning white candy, Laffy Taffys, and chews and things of that sort.
他们有便士糖，意思是白色糖果，拉菲太妃糖，还有咀嚼物和类似的东西。
They sell food too.
他们也卖食物。
They got Italian [?
他们有意大利语[?
beefs ?], pizza puffs.
牛肉？]，披萨泡芙。
The people on the 12th floor, they don't want to do our interview, because they refused.
12楼的人，他们不想接受我们的采访，因为他们拒绝了。
Because they ain't licensed.
因为他们没有获得许可。
They didn't have, so we're going down to the fifth floor right now.
他们没有，所以我们现在要去五楼。
Compare the two candy stores, 5th and the 12th, which is the better one?
比较 5 号和 12 号这两家糖果店，哪一家更好？
The food.
食物。
Carlos Appleby They sell food.
卡洛斯·阿普尔比 他们卖食物。
They sell, like, everything in a real grocery store.
他们就像在真正的杂货店里出售所有东西。
Everything.
一切。
Carlos Appleby Every type of game.
卡洛斯·阿普尔比（Carlos Appleby） 每种类型的游戏。
Almost everything you need, pencil, paper, cards.
几乎所有你需要的东西，铅笔，纸，卡片。
That's really the grocery store of the building.
这确实是大楼里的杂货店。
So what happens on the other floors?
那么其他楼层会发生什么呢？
Tell me about what happens on six.
告诉我六点发生了什么。
What's it like?
它是什么样的？
Six, it just-- Sanantonio Brooks That's the place for them little kids.
六，它只是—— Sanantonio Brooks 那是他们小孩子的地方。
That's where the little kids meet.
那是小孩子们聚会的地方。
That's where all the crumb-snatchers run and play.
那是所有抢面包屑的人奔跑和玩耍的地方。
What games do you all play?
大家都玩什么游戏呢？
You all play, it?
你们都玩吧？
It, yeah, It.
它，是的，它。
Ghosts.
鬼魂。
We play hopscotch.
我们玩跳房子。
We play Bingo.
我们玩宾果游戏。
Bingo.
宾果游戏。
Bingo was his name oh.
宾果是他的名字哦。
And And we play the Mario game.
我们还玩马里奥游戏。
Yeah!
是的！
Paul Johnson That's why you all don't like boys?
保罗·约翰逊 这就是为什么你们都不喜欢男孩？
13 might as well be the Twilight Zone, don't nobody live up there.
13号也可能是暮光之城，那儿没人住吧。
Right, no, nobody ever.
是的，不，从来没有人。
Sanantonio Brooks And it's always dark.
圣安东尼奥·布鲁克斯 天总是黑的。
Nobody's living in any of those apartments?
这些公寓里没人住吗？
Yeah, they live there, but it seem like they don't.
是的，他们住在那里，但看起来他们并不住在那里。
It's just dark.
天黑了。
Sanantonio Brooks And on nine and eight, that's where, eight and seven, that's where all the fights at.
Sanantonio Brooks 九点和八点，那是所有战斗的地方，八点和七点，那是所有战斗的地方。
You want to see a fight, for sure, there's going to be a fight on one of those floors.
你想看一场战斗，当然，其中一个楼层肯定会发生一场战斗。
And why those floors?
为什么是那些楼层？
Sanantonio Brooks Because that's where most people hang out, on the nine, eight, and seven.
Sanantonio Brooks 因为那是大多数人在九点、八点和七点闲逛的地方。
Right, there's a fight, or you can play games or whatever you want to do.
好吧，有一场战斗，或者你可以玩游戏或者做任何你想做的事。
So what we want to do, play cards while you all get tea?
那么我们想要做什么，在大家喝茶的时候打牌？
[SINGING] In love with Mary Jane.
[唱歌] 爱上玛丽·简。
OK, now you guys should explain where we are.
好吧，现在你们应该解释一下我们在哪里。
Right now, we're on the eighth floor, in apartment 801.
现在，我们在八楼，801公寓。
And is this a card game that happens all the time?
这是一种经常发生的纸牌游戏吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass Now, are these guys your age or are they older?
Ira Glass 现在，这些人是你的年纪还是比他们年纪大？
Older.
年纪大了。
Paul Johnson Yeah, 21, 22, and up.
保罗·约翰逊 是的，21、22 岁及以上。
Spades.
黑桃。
Ira Glass Of the three of you, who's the best card player?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：你们三个中谁是最好的牌手？
Me.
我。
Ira Glass OK, let's play a little more of the tape.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：好的，让我们再播放一点磁带。
You ain't got no [BLEEP] job.
你没有[BLEEP]工作。
How the [BLEEP] can you get fired on your day off?
[BLEEP] 你怎么会在休息日被解雇？
Man!
男人！
What you got to be?
你必须成为什么？
You got to be a stupid [BLEEP] to get fired on your day off.
你一定是个蠢货[BLEEP]才会在休息日被解雇。
Now, I've got to say, now when you first played this tape, when you first gave this tape to producer Nancy Updike and I, we heard this and we thought, yeah, how do you lose your job on your day off?
现在，我必须说，当你第一次播放这盘磁带时，当你第一次把这盘磁带交给制作人南希·厄普代克和我时，我们听到了这个，我们想，是的，你怎么会在休息日失去工作呢？
Like, what is this with these guys?
比如说，这些家伙到底是怎么回事？
But in fact, there is something else going on here, isn't there?
但事实上，这里还发生了其他事情，不是吗？
Yeah, they was acting out the movie, Friday .
是的，周五他们正在表演电影。
That was like one of the scenes in the movie.
这就像电影中的场景之一。
So they was like, re-acting it.
所以他们就像是重新表演。
Let's hear that scene.
我们来听听那个场景。
Scene From Friday You ain't got no job?
周五场景 你没有工作吗？
How the hell you going to get fired on your day off?
你怎么会在休息日被解雇呢？
God damn.
该死的。
You got to be a stupid [BLEEP] to get fired on your day off.
你一定是个蠢货[BLEEP]才会在休息日被解雇。
You guys all act out scenes from movies a lot while you're playing cards?
你们打牌时经常表演电影场景吗？
Yeah, everybody acting silly, cracking a jokes.
是的，每个人都表现得很傻，开玩笑。
That's when you play your best game, when you are relaxed.
那是你打出最好的比赛的时候，当你放松的时候。
Now, you actually tried to interview these guys while you sat there playing cards.
现在，你实际上是在坐在那里打牌的时候尝试采访这些人的。
And you tried for, like, an hour.
你尝试了大约一个小时。
Well, we kept asking them questions over and over, but they pretty much tried to tell nothing, because they thought we was trying to help the law out or something.
好吧，我们一遍又一遍地问他们问题，但他们几乎什么也不说，因为他们认为我们是在试图帮助法律解决问题。
Yeah, they thought we was with the police.
是的，他们以为我们和警察在一起。
Trying to get indictments out on them, so they ain't want to say nothing.
试图对他们提出起诉，所以他们不想说什么。
How long you been living in this building?
你在这栋楼里住了多久？
Like, 10 years.
比如说，10年。
Man In Building 1 10 years?
1 号楼里的人 10 年？
Do you consider this building a small town?
你认为这座建筑是一个小镇吗？
Yeah, that kid's a [BLEEP] news.
是的，那个孩子是个[BLEEP]新闻。
Is you a news reporter for real, man?
你是真正的新闻记者吗，伙计？
Working for the white man.
为白人工作。
Paul Johnson I'm just trying to get this story.
保罗·约翰逊 我只是想了解这个故事。
What the [BLEEP] is this?
这是什么[BLEEP]？
Man In Building 1 I think we better go get the radio and play a song.
1 号楼里的人 我想我们最好去拿收音机播放一首歌。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] that white man's world.
[难以理解]那个白人的世界。
So you all calling me white just because I'm asking --
所以你们都叫我白人只是因为我在问——
No sir.
不，先生。
Man In Building 3 We not, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
3 号楼里的人 我们不，不，不，不，不，不，不，不，不。
You think in some ways it is like a small town?
您认为在某些方面它就像一个小镇吗？
To me, it is.
对我来说，确实如此。
Paul Johnson It is like a small town, because a small town, it's like everybody is family.
保罗·约翰逊 这就像一个小镇，因为小镇，就像每个人都是一家人。
And a lot of people, like Sanantonio, he got a lot of family in that building.
很多人，比如圣安东尼奥，他的很多家人都在那栋大楼里。
I believe, we got the most family in there.
我相信，我们那里有最多的家人。
Like on every floor, you'll find somebody in his family.
就像在每一层楼一样，你都会找到他的家人。
Right, I got the most family.
是的，我有最多的家人。
I think I got the most.
我想我得到的最多。
All right, run it down.
好吧，跑下去吧。
Let me hear.
让我听听。
Who and who floor, give it to me from top to bottom.
谁谁楼，从上到下给我。
The 16th, let me see, I don't really got nobody on the 16th or the 15th.
16号，让我想想，16号或15号我真的没有人。
14, I think I got a cousin.
14、我想我有一个表弟。
A cousin that's down on 12.
一个12岁的表弟。
11, I got a grandma that's on 11.
11，我有一个11岁的奶奶。
The 10th, I got an auntie that's down on the 10th.
10号，我有一个阿姨10号就下来了。
Well, I stay on the eighth, auntie on the sixth.
嗯，我住八号，阿姨住六号。
I stay on the fifth.
我留在第五。
And my other grandmother stay on the third.
我的另一位祖母住在第三号。
And just let me be sure.
让我确定一下。
When you stay on the fifth, who are you staying with?
当你住在五号的时候，你和谁住在一起？
My grandmother.
我的祖母。
Ira Glass And you interviewed your grandmother, right?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）你采访了你的祖母，对吧？
I interviewed my other grandmother.
我采访了我的另一位祖母。
I stay with the one on eighth.
我和第八号住在一起。
But I interviewed the one on the third.
但我采访了第三位。
Yes, in Mississippi.
是的，在密西西比州。
Sanantonio Brooks Do you get homesick to go back down to the South?
Sanantonio Brooks 你回到南方会想家吗？
No, you get homesick, I'd go down and visit my mom.
不，你想家了，我会去看望我妈妈。
But I don't get homesick near as bad anymore.
但我不再那么想家了。
I grew up in the South.
我在南方长大。
I had a rough time in the South.
我在南方度过了一段艰难的时光。
I picked cotton, chopped cotton, picked for a little amount of money.
我摘棉花，砍棉花，摘一点钱。
And I chopped cotton from sun-up to sundown and didn't really make very much money.
我从日出到日落都在砍棉花，但并没有真正赚到多少钱。
And we didn't have very much down there.
我们那里没有太多东西。
If you had a choice, which would you think would be better to raise your children in, this building or back in the South?
如果您有选择的话，您认为在这栋楼里还是在南方抚养您的孩子更好？
Well, like I said, basically it's the same now, because down South, there's about as much going on down South as there is here, because they learn here how to sell drugs, although they take it back down South.
嗯，就像我说的，现在基本上是一样的，因为在南方，南方发生的事情和这里一样多，因为他们在这里学习如何销售毒品，尽管他们把毒品带回南方。
Now there's as much drugs down South, almost, as there is here.
现在南方的毒品数量几乎和这里一样多。
Now, Paul, you also interviewed your own mom.
现在，保罗，你也采访了你自己的妈妈。
What is your name?
你叫什么名字？
Linda Johnson Linda Johnson.
琳达·约翰逊 琳达·约翰逊。
Well, I think the building is kind of nice.
嗯，我觉得这个建筑还不错。
There's just too many rowdy kids.
吵闹的孩子太多了。
Do you feel like it's like a small town?
是不是感觉这里就像一座小镇？
Yes, because every damn body in here has got a damn child by somebody's man.
是的，因为这里的每一具该死的尸体都有一个该死的孩子，是某人的男人生的。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass Now, Carlos, you're on the second floor, right?
Ira Glass：现在，卡洛斯，你在二楼，对吧？
Right.
正确的。
Ira Glass And what's your floor like?
Ira Glass 你的地板怎么样？
My floor is just plain boring, because all the people down there--
我的楼层实在是太无聊了，因为下面所有的人——
Yeah, I got drug addicts on the left, drug addicts on the right.
是的，我左边是吸毒者，右边是吸毒者。
You're living around a bunch of drug addicts and it's boring?
你和一群吸毒者生活在一起很无聊吗？
Well, it depends on if they had their daily medication.
嗯，这取决于他们是否每天服用药物。
And the real definition for a hype is a person that smokes every day but don't have no money.
炒作的真正定义是一个每天抽烟但没有钱的人。
They're dirty, have one pair of pants, no shirt, and maybe a half a pair of shoes or something, the people that'd do anything for the drugs.
他们很脏，只有一条裤子，没有衬衫，也许还有半双鞋什么的，这些人为了毒品可以做任何事。
Now we see hypes coming up the street [UNINTELLIGIBLE] some rocks.
现在我们看到街上出现了一些炒作[无法理解]一些岩石。
No sir.
不，先生。
Ira Glass Let me just ask you to explain what work is?
Ira Glass 让我解释一下什么是工作？
You know who working?
你知道谁在工作吗？
Carlos Appleby I don't know.
卡洛斯·阿普尔比 我不知道。
Check around by the store, in the back of the building.
到大楼后面的商店去看看。
All right, man.
好吧，伙计。
Ira Glass What would you guys say is the biggest problem at 4120?
Ira Glass 你们认为 4120 最大的问题是什么？
Biggest problem?
最大的问题？
Ira Glass Yeah, for you all, anyway.
Ira Glass 是的，无论如何，对你们所有人来说。
It's the female situation.
这是女性的情况。
You got to leave the building just for you to have a female, because there isn't any your age.
你必须离开大楼才能有一个女人，因为没有你的年龄。
You either date 25 and up, or they a little kid like 10 years old and down.
你要么和 25 岁以上的人约会，要么和 10 岁以下的小孩约会。
So that's pretty much the problem.
这就是问题所在。
Explain where the girls go.
解释一下女孩们去哪里了。
Sanantonio Brooks They just leave for some reason.
Sanantonio Brooks 他们因为某种原因离开了。
They'll come in and stay a little while, and then all of a sudden, their family decide it's time to move on, so they leave.
他们会进来并停留一段时间，然后突然间，他们的家人决定是时候离开了，所以他们离开了。
Now, do you just think it's a coincidence that girls leave?
现在，你认为女孩的离开只是巧合吗？
Or do you think it's one of these things where the families say, well, this building, it's kind of rough, and we don't want a girl around in this environment, we're going to take our girls out?
或者你认为这是其中之一，家人会说，这栋楼有点简陋，我们不希望女孩在这种环境中，我们要把我们的女孩带出去？
Whereas people with boys, they just stick around.
而有男孩的人，他们只是留下来。
I think that's what it is.
我想就是这样。
They just want to get their daughters away from the building.
他们只是想让女儿离开大楼。
If it is some girls in there that are our age, we don't want to mess with them, because of the situation that they be in, and the situation that they be causing.
如果那里有一些与我们同龄的女孩，我们不想惹她们，因为她们所处的情况以及她们造成的情况。
You just don't feel that the girls in the building, there aren't that many who are doing that much that's positive?
你只是不觉得大楼里的女孩们没有那么多做那么多积极的事情吗？
Right, most of them don't even go to school no more.
是的，他们中的大多数人甚至不再上学了。
Right.
正确的。
There's females that's dropped out that's younger than me.
有些比我年轻的女性已经退学了。
And I'm only 17.
而我才17岁。
And they are, like, 14, 13.
他们大概是 14 岁、13 岁。
If 4120 is a small town, is it one where you guys would choose to live if you had a choice?
如果4120是一个小镇，如果有选择的话你们会选择居住吗？
It's OK to live there to me.
对我来说住在那里就OK了。
Sanantonio Brooks It is OK to live there, but--
圣安东尼奥·布鲁克斯 住在那里还可以，但是——
I want to live in my own house, to tell you the truth, a place where I have upstairs and downstairs.
说实话，我想住在我自己的房子里，一个有楼上楼下的地方。
Yeah, a basement.
是的，一个地下室。
Carlos Appleby Yeah, and all that.
卡洛斯·阿普尔比：是的，还有所有这些。
Why a basement, of all the things to name?
这么多的东西为什么是地下室呢？
Why a basement?
为什么是地下室？
You could throw a party down there, have card games.
你可以在那里举办派对，玩纸牌游戏。
My auntie, she got a house with a basement in it, that's where she go when she don't want to be bothered with the people upstairs.
我阿姨，她有一栋带地下室的房子，当她不想被楼上的人打扰时，她就去那里。
She go downstairs in her basement.
她下楼到她的地下室。
She got a nice little TV down there.
她那里有一台漂亮的小电视。
There's some furniture down there.
下面有一些家具。
I'll always come back and visit the building, because that's where I grew up.
我会经常回来参观这座建筑，因为那是我长大的地方。
It's fine there, but I wouldn't want to be there all my life.
那里很好，但我不想一辈子都在那里。
If their building is, in fact, a kind of small town, then when they move away, Sanantonio, and Carlos, and Paul will probably experience what Sarah Vowell's mom experienced, what the couple I interviewed at the beginning of this program experienced when they moved away from their small towns, which is, they find they don't exactly fit into the new worlds they move to, but they no longer fit in their hometown anymore, either.
如果他们的建筑实际上是一个小镇，那么当他们搬走时，圣安东尼奥、卡洛斯和保罗可能会经历莎拉·沃威尔的妈妈所经历的经历，也就是我在本节目开始时采访的夫妇在搬离小镇时所经历的经历，也就是说，他们发现自己不太适合搬到的新世界，但他们也不再适合自己的家乡。
As Letta Sneed, the wife of the couple at the beginning of the show said--
正如这对夫妇的妻子莱塔·斯尼德在节目开始时所说的那样——
So I do feel uncomfortable with living the city life, but on the other hand it's very hard for me to conceptualize going back to a small town.
所以我确实对城市生活感到不舒服，但另一方面，我很难想象回到小镇。
And I've often wondered, I often question myself, where do I fit?
我经常想，我经常问自己，我适合哪里？
And I think for the past eight years, the sad truth is, that I feel in a way, a bit homeless, like I don't fit in either world.
我认为在过去的八年里，可悲的事实是，我在某种程度上感到有点无家可归，就像我不适合这两个世界。
It's like you ate from the Tree of Knowledge.
就像你吃了知识树上的东西一样。
Exactly.
确切地。
Credits Ira Glass Well, our program was produced today Alix Spiegel and myself with Nancy Updike, Julie Snyder, and Paul Tough.
图片来源：Ira Glass 嗯，我们的节目今天由我和阿利克斯·斯皮格尔、南希·厄普代克、朱莉·斯奈德和保罗·托夫共同制作。
Contributing editor Sarah Vowell, Jack Hitt, and Margie Rochlin.
特约编辑莎拉·沃威尔、杰克·希特和玛吉·罗克林。
Production help from Christina Stephens.
克里斯蒂娜·斯蒂芬斯提供制作帮助。
WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who could be heard most days wandering around the office singing this song.
WBEZ 的管理由 Torey Malatia 负责监督，大多数时候都可以听到他在办公室里闲逛，唱着这首歌。
I will be a helper at home, at church, at school.
我会成为家里、教堂、学校的帮手。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life .
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。