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Prologue Ira Glass One of my coworkers here at This American Life , Robyn, was visiting New Orleans two years ago on a family vacation.

序言 Ira Glass 我在《This American Life》的一位同事 Robyn 两年前全家去新奥尔良度假。

And they had never been to New Orleans before.

他们以前从未去过新奥尔良。

And they took one of those bus tours of the city-- you know, where it would show you the sights and the French Quarter.

他们乘坐了一次城市巴士之旅——你知道，它会向你展示景点和法国区。

And then there was some, you know, look at this telephone pole.

然后还有一些，你知道，看看这个电线杆。

You can see the mark for how high the water got during Hurricane Katrina.

您可以看到卡特里娜飓风期间水位的标记。

The tour guide was an older black man, a local.

导游是一位年长的黑人，是当地人。

She said he was really good.

她说他真的很好。

And there's this one moment during the tour that really stuck out.

巡演期间有一个时刻非常引人注目。

It was late in the tour.

游览时已经很晚了。

They're driving to the Lower Ninth Ward.

他们正开车前往下九区。

And as we were coming toward it, our tour bus guide says, so look.

当我们朝那里走去时，我们的导游说，看吧。

We used to go down into this area, the Lower Ninth Ward.

我们曾经去过这个地区，即下九区。

It was really badly hit in the storm.

确实在暴风雨中受到了严重的打击。

You know that.

你知道的。

But we stopped going down there because we learned that the people there just really-- they didn't like the tours.

但我们不再去那里了，因为我们了解到那里的人真的不喜欢旅行。

They don't like the tours.

他们不喜欢旅行团。

They don't want people to come in and look at them and stare at them and look at how bad it is.

他们不希望人们进来看着他们，盯着他们看事情有多糟糕。

And so we're not going to go in there.

所以我们不会去那里。

And it stuck with me.

它一直困扰着我。

I just believed that he was saying something that meant something to him.

我只是相信他正在说一些对他有意义的话。

It seemed like he was saying something sincere, like we don't do this, and we're not doing it for the right reason.

他似乎在说一些真诚的话，就好像我们不这样做，而且我们这样做的理由也不是正确的。

And so I'll show you some other stuff.

所以我会向你展示一些其他的东西。

But this is off-limits.

但这是禁区。

The tour guide may have been sincere.

导游可能是真诚的。

But in addition, it's illegal for tour buses to go into the Lower Ninth Ward.

但除此之外，旅游巴士进入下九区是违法的。

The city council made it illegal starting in 2006, because buses were in the way of cleanup crews.

市议会从 2006 年开始将其定为非法，因为公交车妨碍了清洁人员。

But the rule was widely ignored till 2012, when homeowners went to the city council to finally get it enforced.

但这项规定一直被广泛忽视，直到 2012 年房主们向市议会寻求最终强制执行。

It really made me angry.

这真的让我很生气。

I felt as if you're looking at me through an eye that says, oh, look, there's another little animal in the zoo.

我感觉你好像在用一只眼睛看着我，哦，看，动物园里还有另一只小动物。

Gwen Adams is one of the homeowners who went to the city council about the bus tours.

格温·亚当斯 (Gwen Adams) 是向市议会询问巴士旅游事宜的房主之一。

Kim Ford's another homeowner.

金·福特是另一位房主。

I'm not saying that they will come in here to gawk at people, no. I don't think there's anything mean spirited about it at all.

我并不是说他们会来这里呆呆地看着人们，不是。我认为这根本没有什么卑鄙的意思。

I think they have a genuine interest to want to know how are the people doing, what's going on with them.

我认为他们真正有兴趣想知道人们过得怎么样，发生了什么。

I get that.

我明白了。

But guess what?

但你猜怎么着？

That's not the way you do that.

那不是你这样做的方式。

It was just so impersonal, people say.

人们说，这太没有人情味了。

That's part of what felt so weird.

这就是感觉很奇怪的一部分。

Back when I was in school, like, every day I look outside, there's like a tour bus coming through.

当我在学校的时候，每天我向外看，就像有一辆旅游巴士驶过。

And there's like 50, 60 people on the bus-- the big, air-conditioned, super comfortable ones.

车上大概有 50、60 个人——都是大的、有空调的、超级舒适的车。

You would never see who was on the buses, because they wouldn't get off.

你永远看不到公交车上有谁，因为他们不会下车。

They just come through, and then leave.

他们只是走过来，然后就离开。

This is Jamal Preston.

这是贾马尔·普雷斯顿。

He's 18, just graduated high school.

他今年18岁，刚刚高中毕业。

His family returned to the Lower Ninth two years after Katrina.

卡特里娜飓风过后两年，他的家人回到了下九区。

Like they're coming through just for the sake of, like, oh, look at how terrible-- sympathy, aw.

好像他们只是为了，哦，看看有多可怕——同情，哦。

But your sympathy is because something bad happened to people.

但你的同情是因为人们发生了不好的事情。

Your sympathy is not based on the people that you actually met in the neighborhood that had to deal with it.

你的同情并不是基于你在邻居中实际遇到的那些不得不处理这件事的人。

It's a whole different level.

这是一个完全不同的水平。

The 10th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina is this month.

本月是卡特里娜飓风十周年纪念日。

You probably heard that.

你可能听说过。

There's been a ton of coverage-- remembering what happened, and stories about the rebuilding.

有大量的报道——记住发生的事情，以及有关重建的故事。

But the Lower Ninth, this place that the bus tour will not take you into, is a special case, because this is the part of the city that was not supposed to come back.

但下九区，这个巴士旅游不会带你去的地方，是一个特例，因为这是这座城市不应该回来的部分。

You remember this, right after the storm?

暴风雨过后，你还记得这件事吗？

City officials said, forget it.

市政府官员说，算了。

Don't get anybody back there.

不要让任何人回到那里。

The mayor's planning commission wanted to turn it to green space, basically a public park.

市长的规划委员会希望将其变成绿地，基本上是一个公园。

And when they decided to not make it a green space?

当他们决定不把它变成绿色空间时？

I guess, well, then-- excuse my French-- but enough hell was raised, they figured they better do something different.

我想，好吧，那么——请原谅我的法语——但已经够多了，他们认为最好做一些不同的事情。

This is Henry Irvin, one of the hell raisers, 79-year-old who's been called the mayor of the Lower Ninth by New Orleans' actual mayor.

这是亨利·欧文，一位地狱狂人，79 岁，被新奥尔良的实际市长称为下九区市长。

And then a lot of people started coming back.

然后很多人开始回来。

And then the city put in a lot of stumbling blocks too, see.

然后这个城市也设置了很多绊脚石，你看。

Investigative reporter Gary Rivlin did a nice summary of those stumbling blocks recently.

调查记者加里·里夫林最近对这些绊脚石做了很好的总结。

The Lower Ninth was the last neighborhood in the city to get electricity and drinking water.

下九区是该市最后一个获得电力和饮用水的社区。

Residents were allowed back months after they were allowed into other neighborhoods.

居民在被允许进入其他社区几个月后才被允许返回。

FEMA trailers were slower to arrive here.

联邦应急管理局的拖车到达这里的速度较慢。

Only one school was reopened, and that only happened after teachers and parents cut the padlock on the building and marched on the superintendent's office.

只有一所学校重新开放，而且是在教师和家长剪断大楼上的挂锁并向校长办公室游行之后才重新开放的。

Meanwhile, money allocated for homeowners to rebuild their houses-- $10 billion of assistance for Katrina victims throughout Louisiana was distributed by the state in a way that discriminated against black homeowners.

与此同时，为房主重建房屋拨款——州政府以歧视黑人房主的方式为路易斯安那州各地的卡特里娜飓风受害者提供了 100 亿美元的援助。

That's what a federal judge ruled in 2010.

这是联邦法官 2010 年做出的裁决。

And it's black homeowners who are in the Lower Ninth.

下九区的黑人房主也是如此。

Because of all this, most people did not come back.

因为这一切，大多数人都没有回来。

The population of the ward is a little less than half of what it was before the storm.

该区的人口略少于风暴前的一半。

So half the homes are back.

所以一半的房子都回来了。

And they're bunched up at the bottom end of the ward, the high ground near the Mississippi, with bit patches of nothing in the top half, where Mr. Irvin lives.

他们聚集在病区的最底端，密西西比河附近的高地，欧文先生居住的上半部分空无一物。

They started working on that house.

他们开始建造那所房子。

This house has been totally repaired.

这所房子已经完全修好了。

This house, they haven't done anything on it.

这个房子，他们什么也没做。

And are they going to tear that down?

他们会毁掉它吗？

They're going to be able to [INAUDIBLE].

他们将能够[听不清]。

[INAUDIBLE].

[听不清]。

Ira Glass I'd seen pictures of the Lower Ninth Ward-- probably you have, too.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：我看过下九区的照片——也许你也看过。

But they didn't prepare me for what it's like to drive around the north half of the ward, the part above North Claiborne Street.

但他们并没有让我做好在病区北半部（北克莱伯恩街上方的部分）开车行驶的感觉。

It's like wilderness.

这就像荒野。

But it's a very orderly wilderness-- a grid of streets laid out like a town waiting for developers who never showed up-- which, you know, it is-- tall grass filling the space between lots.

但这是一片非常有序的荒野——网格状的街道布局就像一座城镇，等待着从未露面的开发商——你知道，事实就是如此——高高的草丛填满了地块之间的空间。

So there was a grocery store here on this corner one time.

这个角落曾经有一家杂货店。

It's just a foundation, that's all.

这只是一个基础，仅此而已。

This used to be [INAUDIBLE] school right here.

这里曾经是[听不清]学校。

It's just an empty piece of land.

这只是一块空地。

Outside the Lower Ninth, in the rest of the city, the population is 90% back to what it was before the storm.

在下九区之外，该市其他地区的人口已恢复到风暴前的水平 90%。

Who you meet when you travel around the Lower Ninth are just some very willful people who've dealt with some of the worst destruction in the city and who are dealing with a lot of ghosts.

当你在下九区旅行时，你遇到的只是一些非常任性的人，他们经历过城市中最严重的破坏，并且正在与很多鬼魂打交道。

It's still not clear exactly how many people in New Orleans died in Katrina.

目前尚不清楚新奥尔良到底有多少人在卡特里娜飓风中丧生。

The official count is about 1,000, a third of those by drowning.

官方统计人数约为 1,000 人，其中三分之一是溺水身亡。

More of those were in the Lower Ninth than any other neighborhood.

其中，下九区的人口比其他任何社区都多。

Today on our program, we're going to take you on a walking tour of the Lower Ninth.

今天，在我们的节目中，我们将带您徒步游览下九区。

We're going to make six stops.

我们要停六站。

And at each stop, we're going to do what the bus tour cannot do.

在每一站，我们都会做巴士之旅无法做到的事情。

We're going to meet some people.

我们要去见一些人。

And think about this for a second.

想一想这个问题。

This is the neighborhood that the city did not want to exist.

这是城市不想存在的社区。

This is the neighborhood that has come back the least from Katrina.

这是从卡特里娜飓风中恢复最少的社区。

So of all the extreme situations you could get into after the storm, these people have been in the most extreme.

因此，在暴风雨过后可能遇到的所有极端情况中，这些人处于最极端的情况。

So what's that been like?

那么那是什么样的呢？

Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.

嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这是《This American Life》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

We find out.

我们发现了。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

OK, so like I said, this is going to be a walking tour.

好的，就像我说的，这将是一次徒步旅行。

And our first stop is going to be the northeast corner of St. Claude Avenue and Gordon Street.

我们的第一站是圣克劳德大道和戈登街的东北角。

So face the street.

所以面朝街道。

Just to orient you real fast, the Lower Ninth is basically a rectangle with water on three sides of the rectangle.

为了让您快速定位，下九区基本上是一个矩形，矩形的三个边上都有水。

So as you stand here facing the street, the Mississippi is a few blocks in front of you.

因此，当您面向街道站在这里时，密西西比河就在您面前几个街区。

The bayou is a little ways behind you.

河口就在你身后不远的地方。

And the Industrial Canal's to your right a bunch of blocks.

工业运河就在你右边的几个街区之外。

It's all pretty close.

一切都非常接近。

The Lower Ninth is just 20 blocks wide-- just a little over a mile.

下九区只有 20 个街区宽——仅一英里多一点。

And if you turn around now and you face this building on the corner, what you see is a two-story building.

如果你现在转身面对拐角处的这座建筑，你看到的是一座两层楼的建筑。

And the first story is faded brick.

第一个故事是褪色的砖块。

And those bricks were damaged during Katrina by rescue boats that knocked into it.

卡特里娜飓风期间，这些砖块被救援船撞坏了。

A Wildlife and Fisheries guy told the current owner of this building 50 people were rescued from the balcony on the second floor.

一名野生动物和渔业人员告诉这栋大楼的现任业主，有 50 人从二楼的阳台上被救出。

So back in the day, locals will tell you that this was a medical clinic.

因此，在过去，当地人会告诉您这是一家医疗诊所。

These days, it's a cafe-- well, more than a cafe.

如今，它是一家咖啡馆——嗯，不仅仅是一家咖啡馆。

You see the hand lettered sign out front that lists red bean and rice special, ribs, computer service, VA benefits, seafood.

你会看到前面的手写标牌，上面列出了红豆和米饭特色菜、排骨、电脑服务、退伍军人事务部福利、海鲜。

And the guy that we're here to talk to is one of those people who has thrown his whole life now into trying to push the Lower Ninth into the future, Kirk Washington.

我们在这里要采访的人就是柯克·华盛顿，他一生都在努力推动下九区走向未来。

Everybody just calls him Washington.

大家都叫他华盛顿。

Robyn spent a bunch of time with him.

罗宾和他一起度过了很多时间。

Washington is the least retired retired person I've ever met, thanks to Katrina.

多亏了卡特里娜飓风，华盛顿是我见过的退休时间最少的退休人员。

He opened this cafe.

他开了这家咖啡馆。

Every day but Sunday, when the cafe's closed, he's here.

除了周日咖啡馆关门外，他每天都在这里。

Washington's a retired postal worker.

华盛顿是一名退休的邮政工人。

He didn't know anything about running a cafe.

他对经营咖啡馆一无所知。

After Katrina, he just saw that there was no place to send a fax or photocopy anything or look stuff up online, which you need to do with construction permits and home inspectors and FEMA and the city.

卡特里娜飓风过后，他发现没有地方可以发送传真或复印任何东西或在网上查找资料，而这些需要建筑许可证、房屋检查员、联邦应急管理局和市政府来完成。

So he thought, I'll build that.

所以他想，我会建造它。

Then he kept going with other things they needed-- food, a game room with pool tables, a small clothing store, a recording studio.

然后他继续提供他们需要的其他东西——食物、带台球桌的游戏室、小服装店、录音室。

One day, I watched him help a resident apply for a home loan, rack a pool table for some kids, cook burgers and sandwiches for six people, and fax someone's proof of employment, all in under an hour.

有一天，我看到他帮助一位居民申请住房贷款，为一些孩子架起台球桌，为六个人做汉堡和三明治，并传真某人的就业证明，所有这些都在一小时内完成。

He also rents rooms to people for cheap-- he owns two houses-- so folks can afford to get back on their feet.

他还以低廉的价格向人们出租房间——他拥有两栋房子——这样人们就有能力重新生活。

He does all this for one reason.

他做这一切都是为了一个原因。

To benefit the neighborhood, to bring the neighborhood back, you know.

为了造福邻里，让邻里恢复活力，你知道。

Washington's lived in the Lower Ninth Ward since the late '70s.

华盛顿自 70 年代末以来一直住在下九区。

He bought his house in the '80s, bought the property next door to it too, fixed them both up.

他在八十年代买了自己的房子，也买了隔壁的房产，并将它们都修好了。

He stayed during Katrina because he's one of those people who always stays during a hurricane.

他在卡特里娜飓风期间留下来，因为他是那些在飓风期间总是留下来的人之一。

An estimated 2,000 people in the Lower Ninth Ward decided to stay.

下九区估计有 2,000 人决定留下来。

10 years later he thinks all the time about that decision to stay.

10年后，他一直在思考留下来的决定。

I've been all over the world.

我已经走遍了世界各地。

I've been all through Vietnam, everywhere.

我走遍了越南，到处都是。

When that hurricane hit, I had never been that scared before in my whole life-- my whole life.

当飓风袭来时，我一生中从未如此害怕过——我的一生。

I've been through a whole lot of things, scary, scary things, but that was as scared as I've ever been in my whole life.

我经历过很多事情，可怕、可怕的事情，但那是我一生中从未经历过的害怕。

Here's how Washington survived the storm.

以下是华盛顿如何在这场风暴中幸存下来的。

Sunday the 28th, the mayor orders the mandatory evacuation.

28日星期日，市长下令强制疏散。

That night, Washington is at home with three of his neighbors-- the Taylors from next door and Isaac from across the street.

那天晚上，华盛顿和他的三个邻居在家——隔壁的泰勒一家和街对面的艾萨克一家。

They plan on riding out the storm together.

他们计划一起渡过难关。

Early morning on the 29th the hurricane hits, winds over a hundred miles per hour.

29日清晨，飓风来袭，风速超过每小时一百英里。

Washington calls the flying debris shrapnel, because it would kill you.

华盛顿称这些飞行碎片为弹片，因为它会杀死你。

At his house, the group isn't sure what to do.

在他家里，大家不知道该做什么。

I said, this is going to be dangerous, man.

我说，这会很危险，伙计。

I said, y'all could stay if y'all want.

我说，如果你们愿意的话，都可以留下来。

But if y'all want to go, I think y'all should go and buckle down.

但如果你们都想去，我想你们都应该全力以赴。

Everyone goes home.

每个人都回家了。

The levees fail.

堤坝溃决。

The entire Lower Ninth Ward floods.

整个下九区都被洪水淹没了。

All I could hear was this, when that water came.

当水来的时候，我只能听到这个声音。

I could hear little babies howling and screaming.

我能听到小婴儿的嚎叫和尖叫声。

I could hear ladies hollering and screaming.

我能听到女士们的呼喊和尖叫声。

I heard my neighbor hollering and screaming.

我听到邻居大喊大叫。

The air was full of noise, people that was in dire need for someone to help them.

空气中充满了噪音，人们迫切需要有人帮助他们。

I mean, people was really drowning.

我的意思是，人们真的被淹死了。

They were drowning.

他们快要淹死了。

And, you know, there was nothing you could do.

而且，你知道，你无能为力。

That was the hardest part about things.

这是事情中最困难的部分。

What can you do?

你能做什么？

I mean, you can't go out there, the wind is still-- you still have shrapnel flying all through the air.

我的意思是，你不能出去，风静止了——弹片仍然在空中飞舞。

The water's rising so fast that, hey, you know, how are you going to negotiate the water?

水位上涨得如此之快，嘿，你知道，你要如何协商水位呢？

Yeah, I could swim.

是的，我会游泳。

But guess what?

但你猜怎么着？

I don't want to take no chances getting into the water.

我不想冒险进入水中。

It was one thing that nobody should want to experience in their whole life.

这是任何人一生都不想经历的一件事。

It got to the point that our neighbors, we started coming out to survey what was going on.

到了我们的邻居，我们开始出来调查发生了什么事。

Well, one of my neighbors drowned.

嗯，我的一个邻居淹死了。

One of your friends who was in your house earlier that night?

那天晚上早些时候在你家的一位朋友？

Yes.

是的。

Robyn Semien That was Isaac.

罗宾·塞米恩 那是艾萨克。

His full name was Isaac Castle.

他的全名是艾萨克·卡斯尔。

He was 58.

他58岁了。

Kirk Washington You feel you was a failure, you know what I'm saying?

柯克·华盛顿 你觉得自己是个失败者，你知道我在说什么吗？

Because you could help, but you didn't.

因为你可以帮忙，但你没有。

But it's the thing inside you that says, well, man, I could've did more than what I did.

但你内心深处却在说，好吧，伙计，我本可以做得比我所做的更多。

And it just kind of gets to you a little bit, because this person is gone, you know.

这对你来说有点影响，因为这个人已经走了，你知道。

And I didn't do anything about it.

而我并没有对此做任何事情。

But I thought he was going to be safe.

但我以为他会安全的。

He couldn't swim.

他不会游泳。

He couldn't swim.

他不会游泳。

Washington got picked up by a Wildlife and Fisheries boat and made his way to Baton Rouge.

华盛顿乘坐野生动物和渔业船前往巴吞鲁日。

Two days after Katrina, he got himself to a Dodge dealership, figuring no matter what, he's going to need a car.

卡特里娜飓风过后两天，他来到一家道奇经销店，认为无论如何，他都需要一辆车。

And that's where, standing alone in a used car lot, exhausted, he started to feel something for the first time in days.

就在那时，他独自站在二手车停车场，精疲力尽，几天来第一次感觉到了一些东西。

Of all the destruction and all the death and all the hollering and screaming, is just hit me.

所有的破坏、所有的死亡、所有的呼喊和尖叫，都击中了我。

I mean, it was just like a whole three-story building just crushing me, like a tornado going around in my head.

我的意思是，就像一栋三层楼的建筑压垮了我，就像龙卷风在我的脑海中盘旋。

It was just like, wow, all these things have happened, and I'm just blinking my eyes and just seeing all of them at one time.

就像，哇，所有这些事情都发生了，我只是眨眨眼睛，就一下子看到了所有这些。

It was just like a nightmare.

这就像一场噩梦。

I came to reality like, man, man, look.

我来到现实，就像，伙计，伙计，看。

Did I go through all this?

我经历过这一切吗？

I'm really alive and this really did happen.

我真的还活着，这确实发生了。

You know what I'm saying?

你知道我在说什么吗？

Everything that happened, everything that happened, this is real.

发生的一切，发生的一切，这都是真实的。

This is real.

这是真的。

It just hit me.

它刚刚击中了我。

It just hit me.

它刚刚击中了我。

Yeah.

是的。

That was it.

就是这样。

People, they was standing, watching.

人们，他们站着，看着。

And they couldn't deal with it, so they went in the room.

他们无法应对，于是就进了房间。

And they talk and talk and talk.

他们说啊说啊。

And one of the guys came, after he saw me.

其中一个人看到我后就来了。

I quieted down some.

我安静了一些。

The salesman?

推销员？

Kirk Washington Yeah.

柯克·华盛顿 是的。

He said, man, I have a car for you.

他说，伙计，我有一辆车给你。

He said, you could get it right now.

他说，你现在就可以拿到。

We're not going to charge you too much.

我们不会向您收取太多费用。

So I pay in cash for the car.

所以我用现金买车。

And I got on the highway.

我上了高速公路。

It was just one thing after another.

这只是一件又一件的事情。

He bought a white truck, drove it to Corpus Christi, Texas, and back home three weeks after the storm, during a time when most people weren't allowed back into the Lower Ninth Ward.

他买了一辆白色卡车，开到德克萨斯州科珀斯克里斯蒂，并在风暴发生三周后回到家中，当时大多数人不被允许返回下九区。

Washington says his veterans ID card worked as a pass.

华盛顿说他的退伍军人身份证起到了通行证的作用。

And he rebuilt both his houses, one piece of sheet rock and one birchwood panel at a time.

他重建了两栋房子，一次用一块板岩和一块桦木板。

I spent a lot of time talking with Washington on three different days.

我在不同的三天里花了很多时间与华盛顿交谈。

And he never bragged or complained about anything.

而且他从不吹嘘或抱怨任何事情。

But I wanted to know what he lost in the storm, which is how I learned about the cars.

但我想知道他在暴风雨中失去了什么，这就是我了解这些汽车的方式。

I lost a Mercedes Benz.

我丢了一辆奔驰。

I lost a Jaguar.

我丢了一辆捷豹。

I lost a BMW.

我丢了一辆宝马。

I lost a Ford F-150.

我丢失了一辆福特 F-150。

He told me he got them right after he retired.

他告诉我他退休后就得到了它们。

He took his savings and bought them at auction, a car a year for four years.

他用自己的积蓄在拍卖会上买了它们，四年内每年买一辆车。

He got the last one just a year before the storm.

就在暴风雨发生前一年，他得到了最后一张。

He loved driving around in those cars.

他喜欢开着那些车到处转。

It was indulgent, after a life of saving money and working at the post office.

在经历了存钱和在邮局工作的生活之后，这是一种放纵。

I don't talk about it that much.

我不谈那么多。

But when I get in my car, I'm sick as a dog, because I don't have these cars.

但当我坐进车里时，我感到恶心极了，因为我没有这些车。

I really don't want another one of those cars, because it's going to remind me, and I feel that I'm going to be more sicker than what I am.

我真的不想再拥有一辆这样的车，因为它会提醒我，我觉得我会比现在更病。

You'll be more upset?

你会更难过吗？

Kirk Washington Yeah.

柯克·华盛顿 是的。

Sick, sick to my stomach, like this thing in your stomach-- nerves, probably.

病了，我的胃病了，就像你胃里的这个东西一样——可能是神经。

Your stomach hurts a lot?

你的肚子很疼吗？

Kirk Washington It just has that little funny feeling.

柯克华盛顿 它只是有一种有点有趣的感觉。

And when I get that funny feeling, I know it's something that's triggering it, and it's coming from my mind.

当我有那种奇怪的感觉时，我知道是某种东西触发了它，而且它来自我的脑海。

It's coming from my head.

它来自我的头脑。

Here's the tangle for Washington.

这就是华盛顿的困境。

He's throwing all this energy into rebuilding and making everything new again.

他将所有的精力投入到重建中，让一切焕然一新。

But all the new stuff that he has now, like his new bathroom and his new house, his new business, everything new reminds him of what was old, daily.

但他现在拥有的所有新东西，比如他的新浴室、他的新房子、他的新生意，一切新的东西每天都让他想起旧的东西。

Brushing his teeth with running water reminds him of when, after the storm, he couldn't do that.

用流水刷牙让他想起暴风雨过后他无法这样做的时候。

Turning on a light reminds him how for a while after the storm, he didn't have electricity.

打开灯提醒他暴风雨过后有一段时间没有电。

It doesn't stop, no matter how he tries to keep busy.

无论他如何努力保持忙碌，事情都不会停止。

I need things to do so that I won't get caught up in this mind thing, you know what I'm saying.

我需要做一些事情，这样我就不会陷入这种头脑的事情中，你知道我在说什么。

So in order for me not to, I have to occupy my mind with something.

所以为了让我不这么做，我必须让我的思想占据一些东西。

I have to, because if I don't, my mind is going to play tricks on me.

我必须这样做，因为如果我不这样做，我的大脑就会欺骗我。

Do you daydream?

你做白日梦吗？

Sometimes.

有时。

Kirk Washington OK.

柯克·华盛顿 好的。

I hate daydreaming.

我讨厌做白日梦。

Do you have nightmares?

你做噩梦吗？

Sometimes.

有时。

Kirk Washington You see that?

柯克·华盛顿 你看到了吗？

"Sometimes." It's constant.

“有时。”它是恒定的。

Do you have illusions of things while you're driving?

当你开车的时候，你会对事物产生幻想吗？

Like you're driving your car, and you think that you driving this Mercedes Benz or this Jaguar?

就像你在驾驶你的汽车时，你认为你驾驶的是这辆奔驰或这辆捷豹？

You see what I'm saying?

你明白我在说什么吗？

I mean, I can't hide from it.

我的意思是，我无法隐藏它。

It's real.

这是真的。

I know it's there.

我知道它就在那里。

I know what the symptoms are.

我知道症状是什么。

I know it's impossible for me to treat it.

我知道我不可能治疗它。

It's impossible, because daily things are going to bring me to it.

这是不可能的，因为每天的事情都会让我这么做。

Talking to you right now is bringing me to it.

现在和你说话让我想到了这一点。

I walk out the front of my house, and I look over at that door, I see my friend.

我走出家门，朝那扇门看去，我看到了我的朋友。

I see Isaac.

我看到艾萨克了

Then I have to let it go.

那我就得放手了。

Let it go.

放手吧。

I come down this street.

我沿着这条街来到。

When I'm looking down from the bridge up there, I'm seeing nothing but the top of houses all water.

当我从桥上往下看时，除了房子的顶部全是水之外什么也看不见。

And I'm riding down the same street.

我也在同一条街上骑行。

I mean, what?

我的意思是，什么？

It's constant.

它是恒定的。

It's something that-- the hurricane was just five years ago.

飓风发生就在五年前。

10 years.

10年。

Kirk Washington 10 years ago.

柯克·华盛顿 10 年前。

Look at that.

看看那个。

It's there.

它就在那里。

It's still there.

它还在那里。

It's just there.

它就在那里。

Washington points to people in his cafe.

华盛顿指着他咖啡馆里的人。

They're mostly storm survivors.

他们大多是风暴幸存者。

He says, talk to them.

他说，跟他们谈谈。

They're suffering, too.

他们也很痛苦。

He tells me about a customer, a woman who lost her home in the storm, has completely rebuilt it, but won't move back in.

他告诉我，有一位顾客，一位在风暴中失去家园的妇女，她已经完全重建了房屋，但不会搬回去。

Washington doesn't think she ever will.

华盛顿认为她永远不会。

She's afraid, he says.

她害怕，他说。

You can see it in her eyes when she talks about the house.

当她谈论房子时，你可以从她的眼神中看到这一点。

I tell him I think I know what he means.

我告诉他我想我明白他的意思。

I can see fear in his eyes, too.

我也能从他的眼中看到恐惧。

He laughs and says, no, you can't see it.

他笑着说，不，你看不到。

You have to have gone through it to understand.

你必须经历过它才能理解。

Robyn Semien.

罗宾·塞米恩.

Act 2: Second Stop Ira Glass We're on a walking tour of the Lower Ninth this hour.

第二幕：第二站 Ira Glass 这个小时我们正在步行游览下九区。

Kirk Washington's house is all the way on the bottom of the Lower Ninth, right near the Mississippi.

柯克华盛顿的房子一直位于下九区的底部，靠近密西西比河。

That's higher ground.

那是更高的境界。

That's the part of the Lower Ninth that survived the most.

这是下九区幸存最多的部分。

Houses are jammed together here, and most of them are occupied.

这里房屋鳞次栉比，大部分都住满了。

And just a two-minute walk from Washington's house, five blocks away, there's a bar that Kim Ford, who you heard at the top of the show, brought one of our producers, Zoe Chace to.

距华盛顿家仅两分钟步行路程，五个街区外，有一家酒吧，是金·福特（Kim Ford）（你在节目开头听到的）带我们的制作人之一佐伊·查斯（Zoe Chace）去了的一家酒吧。

She was like, go to this bar.

她说，去这个酒吧吧。

It's the best.

这是最好的。

America, this is Lizardi and Burgundy.

美国，这是利扎尔迪和勃艮第。

And this place is a staple in the Lower Ninth Ward, Mercedes Bar.

这个地方是下九区的主食，梅赛德斯酒吧。

Everybody in the Lower Ninth Ward knows this place.

下九区的每个人都知道这个地方。

Mercedes Bar is one of the few bars they have here now.

梅赛德斯酒吧是他们现在在这里拥有的少数酒吧之一。

One local told us it was nine bars before Katrina.

一位当地人告诉我们，卡特里娜飓风之前还有九个酒吧。

It's just two now.

现在只有两个。

This is the second stop on our tour.

这是我们此行的第二站。

As you face the building, you can see that it is neatly painted white with green trim around the windows, little New Orleans fleur-de-lis in gold and black.

当你面对这座建筑时，你会发现它被整齐地漆成白色，窗户周围有绿色装饰，就像金色和黑色的新奥尔良百合花。

It looks well taken care of, which is not true of the street in front of it, you will notice if you turn that way.

它看起来保养得很好，但它前面的街道却并非如此，如果你转向那个方向，你就会注意到。

So many streets in the Lower Ninth are just awful, and this is one of them.

下九区的许多街道都很糟糕，这就是其中之一。

Lots of potholes, and they're big potholes.

有很多坑，而且坑还很大。

And if you pull in there, you're going down in a hole.

如果你把车停在那里，你就会掉进洞里。

The streets are horrible.

街道太可怕了。

A little bit of rain, and it's water everywhere.

下了点小雨，到处都是水。

You can't even park here.

你甚至不能在这里停车。

The owner of the bar, Mercedes Gibson, says that the holes in the street are costing her customers and they're costing her money.

酒吧老板梅塞德斯·吉布森 (Mercedes Gibson) 表示，街上的坑洞让她的顾客付出了代价，也让她损失了钱。

And it's hard to pay the light bill at this point.

而且现在还很难支付电费。

Zoe spent some time with her and her customers.

佐伊与她和她的顾客一起度过了一些时间。

The holes in the streets are a real problem for Mercedes, because neither she nor her customers are young.

街道上的坑洞对梅赛德斯来说是一个真正的问题，因为她和她的顾客都不年轻。

Well, I describe it as a friendly bar and settle-aged people.

嗯，我把它描述为一个友好的酒吧和安定的老年人。

I don't fool with youngsters.

我不跟年轻人开玩笑。

"Settle-aged people," like the bartender, Mercedes' daughter, Sharon.

“安居老人”，比如酒保、梅塞德斯的女儿莎伦。

She polls the bar for me real quick to prove how dire the Lizardi Street parking situation really is.

她很快就帮我在酒吧里进行了民意调查，以证明利扎尔迪街的停车情况到底有多糟糕。

How far did you all have to park to get here?

你们都需要停车多远才能到达这里？

A block and a half.

一个半街区。

Man Two.

男人二.

I parked two blocks away.

我把车停在两个街区外。

[INAUDIBLE].

[听不清]。

Sharon Are y'all young people, or senior citizens?

Sharon 你们都是年轻人，还是老年人？

I'm a senior citizen.

我是一名老年人。

Man I don't know about the rest of them, but I'm young.

伙计，我不知道其他人怎么样，但我很年轻。

And I'm 71 young.

而我今年71岁了。

Sharon Are y'all happy about walking a block and a half to get here?

莎伦 步行一个半街区到达这里，你们高兴吗？

So I sit with the settle-aged at a long table in the middle of the bar.

所以我和那些安定下来的老人坐在酒吧中间的一张长桌旁。

Are you running away?

你要逃跑吗？

Man Uh-uh.

男人 呃呃。

No, I'm [INAUDIBLE].

不，我[听不清]。

Have a seat.

请坐。

OK.

好的。

I ask about the storm, and it's like it just happened.

我问起那场风暴，就好像它刚刚发生一样。

The switch clicks right off the potholes and onto scenes from 10 years ago.

开关一按，就脱离了坑洼，回到了 10 年前的场景。

Jean Gibson is nursing Crown Royal and water.

吉恩·吉布森正在护理皇冠和水。

She's a young-looking 60-year-old.

她是一位看上去很年轻的60岁老人。

During the storm, she was with her first husband and two grandkids.

暴风雨期间，她与第一任丈夫和两个孙子在一起。

They evacuated to Houston first and stayed in a hotel for a while.

他们先撤离到休斯敦，并在酒店住了一段时间。

Their credit card hit the limit.

他们的信用卡已达到限额。

When she went to the ATM, she found out that her bank back in New Orleans was out.

当她去自动取款机时，她发现她在新奥尔良的银行已经停业了。

The ATMs couldn't connect.

ATM 机无法连接。

She was stuck in Texas with no money.

她被困在德克萨斯州，身无分文。

So she did something she never thought she'd have to do.

所以她做了一件她从未想过必须做的事情。

And that was to beg, to sit on a curb with a one- and a two-year-old in Dallas with nowhere to go.

那就是在达拉斯与一个一岁和一个两岁的孩子一起坐在路边乞讨，无处可去。

And I sat on the curb, because they needed Pampers, they needed food.

我坐在路边，因为他们需要帮宝适，他们需要食物。

And I sit at that Kmart parking lot.

我坐在凯马特停车场。

And I sat on that curb, and I begged every car that came out that parking lot.

我坐在路边，恳求从停车场出来的每一辆车。

Keep this in mind.

请记住这一点。

Jean was a middle class lady, a homeowner living comfortably.

吉恩是一位中产阶级女士，是一位生活舒适的房主。

Before Katrina, she says, one paycheck paid all her bills for the month.

她说，在卡特里娜飓风之前，一张工资就支付了她这个月的所有账单。

She worked for the city.

她为这座城市工作。

She ran the benefits department for all the city workers.

她负责管理所有城市工人的福利部门。

I mean I wore $95 blouses to work.

我的意思是我穿着 95 美元的衬衫去上班。

I had Coach pocketbooks.

我有蔻驰的钱包。

And my husband was an extremely sharp dresser.

我的丈夫是一个非常讲究衣着的人。

Oh, he was a sharp dresser-- good-looking, sharp-dressing man.

哦，他是一个衣着讲究的人——相貌英俊，衣着讲究。

He wore $75 belts.

他佩戴价值 75 美元的腰带。

That was nothing for us.

那对我们来说没什么。

This is the person who found herself begging for help in a parking lot, saying things like--

这是一个在停车场寻求帮助的人，她说这样的话——

If you could just give me some Pampers.

如果你能给我一些帮宝适就好了。

Just some pampers, and food for the children.

只是一些帮宝适和孩子们的食物。

You don't have to give me nothing, just some food for the children.

你什么都不用给我，只要给孩子们一些食物就可以了。

And a white guy in a black pickup truck, he said, miss, you from New Orleans?

一个开着黑色皮卡车的白人，他说，小姐，你来自新奥尔良吗？

And I said, yes sir.

我说，是的，先生。

I said, my children are hungry.

我说，我的孩子们饿了。

And they're still in the same diapers for three days.

三天来他们仍然穿着同一个尿布。

I would take the diaper and scrape the diaper and put it back on them, because I had no choice.

我会拿起尿布，刮掉尿布，然后重新穿上，因为我别无选择。

And the man, he took me in Kmart and bought me a box of Pampers and some of them macaronis.

那个人，他带我去凯马特，给我买了一盒帮宝适和一些通心粉。

But I had nowhere to--

但我无处可去——

The noodles?

面条？

Jean Gibson The noodles.

吉布森 面条。

But I didn't nowhere to cook it.

但我没地方煮。

So I took them, I opened them, and I put that little sauce in them, and they ate dried noodles.

所以我把它们拿过来，打开它们，然后把一点酱汁放进去，然后它们就吃了干面条。

And they were kids.

他们还是孩子。

That's a treat for them.

这对他们来说是一种享受。

[INAUDIBLE].

[听不清]。

I don't know about nobody else, but I tried it.

我不知道别人怎么样，但我尝试过。

It taste good.

味道不错。

[LAUGHS]

[笑]

Then we stayed there overnight in the car, kids hollering.

然后我们在车里过夜，孩子们在大声叫喊。

They're hungry.

他们饿了。

I just kept washing my underwear in the gas station bathroom and putting them back on wet.

我只是在加油站的浴室里不断地洗我的内衣，然后把它们放回湿的状态。

[LAUGHTER] The man at the Exxon Station told me, miss, because you're from New Orleans, I'm going to let you keep coming in here everyday and wash your underwear.

[笑声] 埃克森车站的那个人告诉我，小姐，因为你来自新奥尔良，我会让你每天都来这里洗你的内衣。

That's the least you could do, you know?

这是你至少能做的，你知道吗？

I was trying to sneak in there, because I didn't want the people to know I'm going to wash my drawers.

我想偷偷溜进去，因为我不想让人们知道我要洗抽屉。

Think about what that must be like, to have your life change so abruptly, no transition.

想想那会是什么样子，让你的生活突然改变，没有过渡。

And I wanted to know, did she feel like she was suddenly a different person?

我想知道，她是否感觉自己突然变了一个人？

No, she says.

不，她说。

That's not what happens.

事实并非如此。

She says you get very practical.

她说你变得很实际。

It's just how do you solve the next problem?

只是接下来的问题怎么解决呢？

All you think about is, what am I going to do?

你所想的只是，我要做什么？

Well, I'm just going to beg.

好吧，我只是去乞求一下。

Had you ever begged before?

你以前乞求过吗？

Jean Gibson Oh, god, no.

吉恩·吉布森 噢，上帝，不。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

I had the one-year-old in my arm, and the other one, I was holding his hand.

我把一岁的孩子抱在怀里，另一只则握着他的手。

And as people passed, I would even bang on their window.

当人们经过时，我什至会敲打他们的窗户。

Really?

真的吗？

Jean Gibson Yes.

吉恩·吉布森 是的。

And ask them, can you please help me?

并问他们，你能帮我吗？

Please help me and my babies.

请帮助我和我的宝宝们。

Because of the way I looked, they must have thought I was a crackhead or something, you know, using the babies.

因为我的样子，他们一定认为我是个瘾君子或者什么，你知道，利用婴儿。

And let me tell you, the reason I thought that was because I used to think that.

让我告诉你，我之所以这么想是因为我曾经这么认为。

Jean moved around Texas for a month.

吉恩在德克萨斯州搬了一个月。

Then she got a call, five weeks after she left.

离开五周后，她接到了电话。

Come back to your job in the city of New Orleans.

回到新奥尔良市的工作岗位。

And she thought, maybe things are finally going to be OK.

她想，也许一切都会好起来的。

I never really thought I lost my life.

我从来没有真正想过我失去了生命。

That sounds crazy.

这听起来很疯狂。

I mean, I thought I was going to come sweep my house out.

我是说，我以为我要来打扫我的房子。

With a broom.

用扫帚。

Jean Gibson With a broom.

吉恩·吉布森 拿着扫帚。

You know, I knew the streets would probably have some dirt in it.

你知道，我知道街道上可能会有一些泥土。

Driving into New Orleans, early October.

十月初，开车前往新奥尔良。

It was pitch black, no lights, just a few big military spotlights like a movie set, a movie set of a war zone-- soldiers everywhere, the hotels with the windows blown out, the streets coated in mud and white dirt, and so empty.

漆黑一片，没有灯光，只有几个巨大的军事聚光灯，就像电影布景一样，战区的电影布景——到处都是士兵，旅馆的窗户被炸毁，街道上沾满了泥巴和白色的泥土，空荡荡的。

And I said, Lord, have mercy, look at my city.

我说，主啊，怜悯我，看看我的城市。

And it hit me, yeah.

它击中了我，是的。

It did hit me.

它确实击中了我。

But when I came across this canal, I knew there was no humanly way possible that this Ninth Ward could ever come back.

但当我遇到这条运河时，我知道这个第九区不可能再回来了。

The people that you knew, I don't see nobody that I know.

你认识的人，我看不到我认识的人。

People who know you, you know them, know your mama, know your daddy, know your brothers, know where you live, know y'all had a black dog one time-- I'm talking about those people.

认识你的人，你认识他们，认识你的妈妈，认识你的爸爸，认识你的兄弟，知道你住在哪里，知道你们曾经养过一只黑狗——我说的是那些人。

I'm talking about people you did your first communion with, and the people that would tell your mama you did something wrong.

我说的是那些你第一次与之圣餐的人，以及那些会告诉你妈妈你做错了什么的人。

You will never see them again.

你再也见不到他们了。

So who am I?

那么我是谁？

I don't know.

我不知道。

Here is the identity crisis, not in the parking lot, begging for food.

这里是身份危机，不是在停车场乞讨食物。

She just didn't know until she got home to New Orleans that there is no chance of being who she was before.

直到她回到新奥尔良的家中，她才知道自己已经不可能再成为以前的自己了。

Jean's house is completely rebuilt.

吉恩的房子完全重建了。

Like other houses here I've seen, it kind of looks like a Pottery Barn showroom-- not lived in for very long; new matching furniture; nice, though, spacious.

和我见过的其他房子一样，它看起来有点像陶器谷仓的陈列室——住的时间不长；新的配套家具；不过不错，很宽敞。

She's still working for the city.

她仍在为这座城市工作。

She has a new husband now.

她现在有一个新丈夫了。

The husband she made it through the storm with, he died in 2007.

与她一起度过难关的丈夫于 2007 年去世。

Now she's married to the son of Mercy D., Mercedes, the bar owner.

现在她嫁给了酒吧老板 Mercy D. Mercedes 的儿子。

And she has this new big, big family to go with him.

她还有这个新的大家庭陪伴着他。

They gather at Mercedes Bar almost every day.

他们几乎每天都聚集在梅赛德斯酒吧。

And so it's like, yeah, you have a new life.

所以这就像是，是的，你有了新的生活。

But it looks like a good life.

但看起来生活不错。

Is it a good life?

这是美好的生活吗？

Looks are deceiving.

外表是骗人的。

You make do with what you have.

你用你所拥有的来凑合。

And you try every day to get that other life back-- yes, every day.

你每天都在努力恢复另一种生活——是的，每一天。

Every, every day.

每一天。

But it's not coming back.

但它不会回来了。

But that's OK.

但没关系。

Tomorrow coming.

明天就到了。

I ought to be able to get some little piece of it.

我应该能得到其中的一小部分。

And there's tomorrow coming.

明天即将到来。

It doesn't come back.

它不会回来。

Zoe Chace is one of the producers of our show.

佐伊·查斯是我们节目的制片人之一。

Coming up, drive your Chevy to the levee to where the levee was not dry.

来吧，把你的雪佛兰开到堤坝上，到堤坝没有干涸的地方。

That's in a minute, when our tour of the Lower Ninth continues, from WBEZ Chicago, when our program continues.

就在一分钟后，我们从 WBEZ 芝加哥出发的下九区之旅继续进行，我们的节目也继续进行。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today on our program, we have a tour of the Lower Ninth Ward, the part of New Orleans that has come back the least since Hurricane Katrina hit 10 years ago this week.

今天，在我们的节目中，我们将参观下九区，这是新奥尔良自 10 年前卡特里娜飓风袭击以来恢复最少的地区。

We've arrived at the third stop at our tour, the corner of Jordan Avenue and North Prieur Street, right across from one of the levees that collapsed a decade ago.

我们已经到达了这次旅行的第三站，乔丹大道和北普里尔街的拐角处，就在十年前崩塌的堤坝之一的对面。

If you stand here facing south with the levee to your right-- well, first of all, this is the part of town where Brad Pitt bought a bunch of houses with the Make it Right Foundation after the storm.

如果你面朝南站在这里，右边是堤坝——那么，首先，这是布拉德·皮特在风暴过后通过“正确做事”基金会购买了一堆房子的城镇的一部分。

And you see some of those right in front of you.

你会看到其中一些就在你面前。

They're boxy and moderne.

它们四四方方且现代。

Lots of them have solar panels.

其中很多都有太阳能电池板。

There are also a couple of regular houses on the streets, some overgrown yards.

街道上还有几栋普通的房屋，还有一些杂草丛生的院子。

The levee itself across those houses has a grassy embankment with a 14-foot concrete wall at the top.

横跨这些房屋的堤坝本身有一个长满青草的堤坝，顶部有一个 14 英尺高的混凝土墙。

And most people you talk to down here will tell you the same thing about what happened right here at this spot on the levee on August 29, 2005.

与你交谈的大多数人都会告诉你同样的事情，关于 2005 年 8 月 29 日在堤坝这个地方发生的事情。

It was dynamited in six places on the Industrial Canal.

它在工业运河上的六个地方被炸毁。

They got people that live on this street who will go to their grave and tell you that they heard the dynamite.

住在这条街上的人会去他们的坟墓告诉你他们听到了炸药的声音。

And they heard an explosion, and then the water start coming up the streets.

他们听到爆炸声，然后水开始涌上街道。

That's just to keep the water from going downtown, Bourbon Street.

这只是为了防止水流到市中心的波旁街。

Because they didn't get no water.

因为他们没有得到水。

They just blew the damn thing and send it this way.

他们只是搞砸了这该死的东西然后把它发送到这里。

Lots of people heard an explosion.

很多人都听到了爆炸声。

And lots of people say it was the government.

很多人说是政府干的。

The government blew up the levees to get black people out of the Lower Ninth.

政府炸毁了堤坝，将黑人赶出下九区。

Lucrece Phillips lived on the other side of the canal.

卢克丽斯·菲利普斯住在运河的另一边。

And she said flooding had started that morning, but it wasn't much-- like as high as your car tires.

她说洪水从那天早上就开始了，但洪水并不多——就像你的汽车轮胎一样高。

Then all of a sudden we hear a boom, like the windows were sucked out.

然后突然我们听到一声巨响，就像窗户被吸走了一样。

Now, we have them taped and all, so they just wanted to blast, but they couldn't.

现在，我们把它们都录下来了，所以他们只是想爆炸，但他们做不到。

After the boom, then the water went from the tire of the car to the second floor so fast.

轰隆隆一声过后，水就从车胎上飞快地流到了二楼。

I think they blew the levees and they redirected the water from downtown.

我认为他们炸毁了堤坝，并从市中心引水。

In the last decade, there's been a ton of investigation into what caused this boom and what blew up the levees.

在过去的十年里，人们对导致这种繁荣的原因以及堤坝炸毁的原因进行了大量的调查。

The big official investigations did not find evidence of dynamite or of anybody blowing up the levees on purpose.

大规模的官方调查没有发现炸药或任何人故意炸毁堤坝的证据。

So the question is, what made the boom?

那么问题来了，是什么促成了这种繁荣？

Well, the consensus is that it was not one boom.

嗯，共识是这不是一次繁荣。

There were lots of booms coming from a few different sources, like, for instance, when the levee on the north side of the Lower Ninth Ward cracked and toppled over at 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning of the storm.

许多不同来源的爆炸声，例如，暴风雨早晨 4:00 或 5:00 时，下九区北侧的堤坝破裂并倒塌。

That would've made a huge boom, like a thick branch snapping in half, and then water would have rushed in.

那会发出巨大的轰鸣声，就像一根粗树枝折断成两半，然后水就会涌进来。

Other booms came from electrical transformers blowing up and from a massive barge that banged against the Industrial Canal levee later that morning, like somebody beating on a huge, empty steel trashcan one expert told me, till it came over the levee and landed in the Lower Ninth.

其他爆炸声来自变压器爆炸，以及那天早上晚些时候，一艘巨大的驳船撞击工业运河堤坝，就像一位专家告诉我的，有人敲打一个巨大的空钢垃圾桶，直到它越过堤坝并降落在下九区。

But it's also clear that people aren't crazy to believe the levees were dynamited by the government.

但同样清楚的是，人们并没有疯狂地相信堤坝是政府炸毁的。

They believe that for some very good reasons.

他们相信这是出于一些很好的理由。

For starters, the government's done it before.

首先，政府以前就这么做过。

It is very real.

这是非常真实的。

It very much happened.

这事发生了很多。

And you combine that with the sound of the boom, and it's not surprising that that theory has life.

如果你把它与繁荣的声音结合起来，这个理论具有生命力就不足为奇了。

John Barry has served on the levee board responsible for protecting New Orleans, the Southeast Louisiana Flood Protection Authority East.

约翰·巴里 (John Barry) 曾在负责保护新奥尔良、路易斯安那州东南部洪水保护局东部的防洪委员会任职。

But he's a journalist.

但他是一名记者。

And before that, he wrote a great book called Rising Tide , about the 1927 flood that caused more devastation than Katrina did and that led city officials to decide that they were going to save downtown New Orleans by blowing up the levees in an area where poor people lived, a spot that's just a 20-minute drive from the Lower Ninth.

在此之前，他写了一本名为《涨潮》的伟大著作，讲述了 1927 年的洪水，这场洪水造成的破坏比卡特里娜飓风还要严重，导致市政府官员决定通过炸毁穷人居住区的堤坝来拯救新奥尔良市中心，该地区距下九区仅 20 分钟车程。

All this with the consent of the governor, federal government, and the president.

所有这一切都得到了州长、联邦政府和总统的同意。

They had to promise to pay for reparations to everyone who was damaged.

他们必须承诺对所有受损者进行赔偿。

95% of the people who ended up being flooded out by this dynamiting were white.

最终被这次爆炸淹没的人中有95%是白人。

But they had no political power.

但他们没有政治权力。

Many of them didn't speak English.

他们中的许多人不会说英语。

They spoke an 18th century Spanish.

他们说的是 18 世纪的西班牙语。

They were referred to as Islenos.

他们被称为伊斯莱诺斯。

Most of them came from the Canary Islands.

他们大多数来自加那利群岛。

And it was dynamited.

它被炸毁了。

It was very difficult to do.

这很难做到。

That was a very good levee.

那是一个非常好的堤坝。

They just had to keep going back and blowing it up again and again.

他们只能不断地回去，一次又一次地把它炸毁。

That's correct.

这是正确的。

Ira Glass How many people were displaced?

艾拉·格拉斯 有多少人流离失所？

Roughly 10,000.

大约10,000。

Ira Glass And did the government pay reparations?

艾拉·格拉斯：政府支付赔偿了吗？

Well, it was the city of New Orleans that was supposed to pay the reparations.

嗯，新奥尔良市应该支付赔偿金。

And the city pretty much stiffed everyone who they had made promises to.

这座城市几乎让所有他们做出承诺的人都变得僵硬。

There's another good reason that people believe that the government wanted them out and blew up the levees to do it.

人们相信政府希望他们离开并炸毁堤坝还有另一个充分的理由。

Gwen Adams, who you heard at the beginning of the show, talked to me about this.

你在节目开始时听到的格温·亚当斯 (Gwen Adams) 向我谈到了这一点。

It's a more immediate reason, a more personal reason.

这是一个更直接的原因，一个更个人的原因。

It's so believable, because when people were interested in coming back to see what they needed to do in order to rebuild, they said, you can't do that, because we're going to green space this area.

这是如此可信，因为当人们有兴趣回来看看他们需要做什么才能重建时，他们说，你不能这样做，因为我们要在这个地区绿化。

We wanted to come back and see what our property looked like.

我们想回来看看我们的财产是什么样子。

They held us off at gunpoint.

他们用枪指着我们。

When you attempted to get permits to rebuild, they fought you tooth and nail at City Hall with permitting for every little thing.

当你试图获得重建许可时，他们在市政厅竭尽全力地与你进行斗争，要求每件小事都获得许可。

FEMA housing money was distributed with a formula that made it harder for families in the Lower Ninth to rebuild.

联邦应急管理局住房资金的分配公式使下九区的家庭更难重建。

City services, running water, schools arrived so much later in the Lower Ninth.

下九区的城市服务、自来水和学校的到来要晚得多。

In other words, it's the things that the city and state did after the flood that made the idea that the government just wanted everybody out, and it might have blown up the levees to achieve that, seem so very credible.

换句话说，正是城市和州在洪水之后所做的事情，使得政府只是想让所有人撤离，并且可能会炸毁堤坝来实现这一目标的想法看起来非常可信。

Well, we have arrived at the fourth stop on our tour, a little block called El Dorado.

好了，我们已经到达了旅行的第四站，一个叫做埃尔多拉多的小街区。

It just has a handful of houses on it.

它上面只有几栋房子。

Face north on this block, and you see an empty lot that is overgrown and smelly.

在这个街区朝北，你会看到一片杂草丛生、散发着臭味的空地。

And if you turn and face south, you see two nicely rebuilt, bright blue houses.

如果你转身面向南，你会看到两座重建得很好、亮蓝色的房子。

How you doing?

你好吗？

Zoe Chace Good.

佐伊·切斯 好。

How you doing?

你好吗？

I'm good.

我很好。

Ira Glass When Zoe, from our program, happened upon this street, this guy, Roy Bradley, called out to her from his porch.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 当我们节目中的佐伊（Zoe）偶然发现这条街时，罗伊·布拉德利（Roy Bradley）这个家伙在他的门廊上向她喊道。

You were the first house?

你是第一个房子吗？

Ira Glass Said he was the first house back on the block.

艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 说他是该街区第一栋房子。

And now they were trying to take his house.

现在他们正试图夺走他的房子。

Come up, he said.

上来吧，他说。

Come on up.

上来吧。

Zoe Chace OK.

佐伊·切斯 好的。

I'm a radio reporter.

我是一名电台记者。

OK.

好的。

Zoe Chace So I have a microphone [INAUDIBLE].

Zoe Chace 所以我有一个麦克风[听不清]。

That's fine.

没关系。

What I'm going through, I need all the something.

我正在经历的事情，我需要所有的东西。

No, I can tell.

不，我可以告诉。

Roy Bradley It's a-- it's a--

罗伊·布拉德利 这是一个——这是一个——

You're like, bring that microphone over here.

你就像，把麦克风拿过来。

Please.

请。

Ira Glass Roy was dressed for football season, though it was still summer-- a New Orleans Saints shirt, Saints hat, Saints slippers, Saints socks.

艾拉·格拉斯·罗伊 (Ira Glass Roy) 穿着适合橄榄球赛季的服装，尽管当时还是夏天——新奥尔良圣徒队衬衫、圣徒队帽子、圣徒队拖鞋和圣徒队袜子。

Zoe stuck around to get to know him a little bit.

佐伊留下来稍微了解一下他。

Roy's 46, and he's lived in the Lower Ninth for 46 years.

罗伊今年 46 岁，他在下九区生活了 46 年。

Right away, he takes me around the corner to his mom's house, which there's no house.

他立刻带我拐过街角去他妈妈家，那里没有房子。

It's an empty green lawn with a square of sidewalk in front.

这是一片空旷的绿色草坪，前面有一块方形的人行道。

23 years ago, Roy's family all came outside and wrote their names in wet cement.

23年前，罗伊的家人都来到外面，用湿水泥写下了自己的名字。

This is my sister Veronica, my sister Kesie.

这是我的妹妹维罗妮卡，我的妹妹凯西。

That's my wife, Danielle, right there.

那是我的妻子丹妮尔，就在那里。

And they call me Boo Boo.

他们叫我布布。

They call me Boo.

他们叫我布。

So this is me here.

这就是我。

Man, this is still here.

伙计，这还在这里。

Big man, that's my daddy.

大佬，那是我爸爸。

Oh, Betty-- that's my other sister.

哦，贝蒂——那是我的另一个妹妹。

Samantha-- we call her Betty.

萨曼莎——我们叫她贝蒂。

How many of these people still live in New Orleans.

其中有多少人仍然居住在新奥尔良。

Um, me.

嗯，我。

[LAUGHS] Zoe Chace Kesie's in Slidell.

[笑] Zoe Chace Kesie 在斯莱德尔。

Veronica's in Mobile.

维罗妮卡在莫比尔。

And on and on.

不断地。

Roy is the only one back.

罗伊是唯一回来的人。

He has two houses here in the Lower Nine, bright blue, right next to each other.

他在下九区有两栋房子，亮蓝色，相邻。

It was a big deal when he and his wife bought them-- 2001, not long before Katrina.

当他和他的妻子在 2001 年购买它们时，这是一件大事，就在卡特里娜飓风发生前不久。

This was Roy's life plan, a classic life plan.

这就是罗伊的人生规划，一个经典的人生规划。

Pay down the mortgage on both houses by renting out one of them.

通过出租其中一套来偿还两套房子的抵押贷款。

He worked two jobs, still does.

他打过两份工，现在仍然如此。

He cooks at Mizado's at night and at TGI Friday's during the day.

他晚上在 Mizado 餐厅做饭，白天在 TGI Friday 餐厅做饭。

Once the mortgage was paid off, he and his wife Danielle would buy another place and rent out the starter homes to pay off that one.

一旦还清抵押贷款，他和他的妻子丹妮尔就会购买另一处房产，并将入门房出租以还清那一套。

These houses would help us pay for the next house, or the next step.

这些房子将帮助我们支付下一套房子或下一步的费用。

And then after we pay that off, we would be into something else.

当我们还清这笔钱后，我们就会开始做别的事情。

And maybe I could open me a restaurant.

也许我可以自己开一家餐馆。

And I wouldn't have to work so much in my own place.

而且我不必在自己的地方做那么多工作。

Me and my wife could open her beauty salon.

我和我的妻子可以开她的美容院。

Danielle jumps in here.

丹妮尔跳进这里。

Danielle Bradley You see, we crawl before we walk.

丹妮尔·布拉德利（Danielle Bradley）你看，我们在走路之前先爬行。

Crawl before you walk.

走路之前先爬行。

Danielle Bradley So we don't have to come back to crawling.

丹妮尔·布拉德利（Danielle Bradley）所以我们不必再回到爬行状态。

That was the plan, before the storm.

这就是暴风雨来临之前的计划。

When the storm did hit, Roy left town on the advice of his favorite weatherman, Bob Breck.

当风暴袭来时，罗伊按照他最喜欢的天气预报员鲍勃·布雷克的建议离开了小镇。

I'd been listening to Bob Breck since I was a child on Channel 8 weather.

当我还是个孩子的时候，我就一直在收听 8 频道天气节目的鲍勃·布雷克 (Bob Breck) 的节目。

Bob Breck, he--

鲍勃·布雷克，他——

You trusted him.

你信任他。

Roy Bradley He was on it, man.

罗伊·布拉德利 他正在努力，伙计。

He was there all night.

他整个晚上都在那里。

And he just was saying, please, go.

他只是说，请走吧。

Please, please, whatever you do.

拜托，拜托，无论你做什么。

And that's when I just said, you know what?

就在那时我刚刚说，你知道吗？

I'm going to go.

我要走了。

Did you see some of your neighbors when you were driving out?

当你开车出去的时候，你有看到你的邻居吗？

And you were like, yo, let's go.

你说，哟，我们走吧。

Oh, I seen a couple of them, man.

哦，我看到了其中几个，伙计。

And my neighbor at this corner here, at Gordon and El Dorado, he was washing the car.

我的邻居在戈登和埃尔多拉多的这个角落，他正在洗车。

And he was washing the car.

而他正在洗车。

He was cleaning out the drains at the corner there, because we used to do that before the storm.

他正在清理拐角处的排水沟，因为我们过去常常在暴风雨来临前这样做。

And I was like, man, you ain't leaving?

我当时想，伙计，你不走吗？

You ain't going nowhere?

你哪儿也不去吗？

Man, I ain't going.

伙计，我不去。

I ain't worried about no storm.

我不担心没有暴风雨。

You know how we do around here.

你知道我们这里的情况。

And that actually was the last time I seen him.

那实际上是我最后一次见到他。

He didn't make it through.

他没能挺过来。

Wanda, his wife, told me that he drowned, that they was on top of the roof.

他的妻子旺达告诉我，他淹死了，他们在屋顶上。

And he had drowned before they got to the roof.

在他们到达屋顶之前他就淹死了。

Roy estimates the number of neighbors he lost in the storm around 14.

罗伊估计他在风暴中失去的邻居人数约为 14 人。

As we walk, he points out their houses, or where their houses were.

当我们走路时，他指出他们的房子，或者他们的房子在哪里。

There was a guy across the street who died right after the storm.

街对面有一个人在暴风雨过后就死了。

He was running a generator, and his house burned up.

他正在运行发电机，他的房子被烧毁了。

The son of Danielle's pastor died, Roy says, when his house was dragged a few blocks away.

罗伊说，丹妮尔牧师的儿子在他的房子被拖到几个街区外时去世了。

The roofs here were filled with people during the storm.

暴风雨期间，这里的屋顶上挤满了人。

One of his neighbors even swam to Roy's house to look for him.

他的一位邻居甚至游到罗伊家寻找他。

It took months before he was even allowed back onto this block.

几个月后他才被允许回到这个街区。

He had to show ID at the bridge.

他必须在桥上出示身份证件。

And then the National Guard gave him 30 minutes.

然后国民警卫队给了他 30 分钟的时间。

You already know the house was totaled.

你已经知道房子已经被毁了。

Everything they had was gone.

他们拥有的一切都消失了。

My wife cried.

我的妻子哭了。

She cried the whole time we was in the house.

我们在家里的时候她一直在哭。

I thought it was gonna flood all over again in the house.

我以为房子里会再次被洪水淹没。

[LAUGHS] I said, baby, you've got to stop.

[笑]我说，宝贝，你必须停下来。

You didn't cry?

你没有哭吗？

Roy Bradley Well, seeing her cry, I might have dropped a tear or two.

罗伊·布拉德利 好吧，看到她哭，我可能会掉下一两滴眼泪。

But I-- you know.

但我——你知道。

[LAUGHS] Women, you know?

[笑]女人，你知道吗？

He'll cry, though.

不过他会哭。

He cried for an hour the night the Saints won the Super Bowl.

圣徒队赢得超级碗的那天晚上，他哭了一个小时。

Next, for Roy, the familiar beats of Katrina keep going -- 13 hour car ride to Baton Rouge, a year in Atlanta, then back to New Orleans and a FEMA trailer.

接下来，对于罗伊来说，卡特里娜飓风的熟悉节奏仍在继续——开车 13 小时前往巴吞鲁日，在亚特兰大呆一年，然后乘坐 FEMA 拖车返回新奥尔良。

No stores, no lights, nobody, no one around.

没有商店，没有灯光，没有人，周围没有人。

They got a little FEMA money, a little insurance money, and a whole bunch of free help from this nonprofit who set up shop right next to Roy's broken down home, lowernine.org.

他们得到了一点联邦紧急事务管理署的钱、一点保险金，以及这个非营利组织提供的一大堆免费帮助，该非营利组织在罗伊破旧的家旁边开设了商店，lowernine.org。

Two years after the storm, the family moved back in.

风暴过后两年，一家人搬回了家。

So picture right at this point in the story, it was like Roy was back where he was when he first bought his houses.

所以想象一下故事中的这一点，罗伊就像回到了他第一次买房子时的状态。

It was a reset.

这是一次重置。

Start at the bottom and climb back up.

从底部开始，然后爬回来。

And this is the moment when Roy makes this totally fateful decision.

这就是罗伊做出这个决定性决定的时刻。

He decides to take out a loan to borrow some money, fix up the other little house, which was a shell after Katrina; it was dry rotting, so he could start renting it again.

他决定贷款借一些钱，修缮另一座小房子，那座房子在卡特里娜飓风过后已经成了空壳。它已经干腐了，所以他可以重新开始租用它。

I put it on Facebook.

我把它放在脸书上。

That's what I did.

我就是这么做的。

What did you say?

你说什么？

Roy Bradley I put it on Facebook.

罗伊·布拉德利 我把它放在了 Facebook 上。

I'm trying to get a loan.

我正在尝试获得贷款。

Anyone knows someone that they can suggest to me to go to to get a loan.

任何人都可以向我推荐一个认识的人去获得贷款。

You get all these people, oh, yeah, yeah, [MUMBLING].

你得到了所有这些人，哦，是的，是的，[咕哝]。

So that's when I went on to Loan Partners and took out the loan.

所以就在那时我去了 Loan Partners 并申请了贷款。

Loan Partners, the kind of company that made a lot of loans after Katrina to help with construction and rebuilding.

Loan Partners 是一家在卡特里娜飓风过后发放大量贷款以帮助建设和重建的公司。

And they lent Roy money for exactly that, to rebuild his rental property-- $60,000.

他们借给罗伊的钱正是用于重建他的出租房产——60,000 美元。

But this was nothing like a typical mortgage loan.

但这与典型的抵押贷款完全不同。

It had a very short deadline-- one year-- less, actually-- 11 months.

它的最后期限非常短——一年——实际上更短——11 个月。

And it worked like this.

它是这样工作的。

For a year, you just pay interest every month.

一年内，您只需每月支付利息。

At the end, you pay off the whole thing, the original $60,000, all at once.

最后，您一次性还清全部费用，即最初的 60,000 美元。

I asked to see a copy.

我要求看一份副本。

The rate seems high, 12 and 1/2%.

这个比率似乎很高，12又1/2%。

And there are all sorts of hikes in fees that kick in if you're delinquent.

如果您拖欠费用，费用就会上涨。

I didn't read all that.

我没有读过所有这些。

Zoe Chace These are really hard terms.

佐伊·切斯（Zoe Chace） 这些条款真的很难。

And I signed it.

我签了字。

Zoe Chace Without really reading it.

佐伊·切斯（Zoe Chace）没有真正读过它。

I didn't.

我没有。

Zoe Chace Because why?

佐伊·切斯 因为为什么？

You kind of trusted your friend, and they were like, this is a good company.

你有点信任你的朋友，他们说，这是一家好公司。

Right.

正确的。

That, and just to get my house fixed.

那，只是为了修好我的房子。

That was my main goal is to get myself back on track to where I was before the storm hit.

我的主要目标是让自己回到风暴袭来之前的轨道上。

The only reason Roy was able to get this loan in the first place was because after Katrina, the government was handing out checks to homeowners to rebuild their houses.

罗伊最初能够获得这笔贷款的唯一原因是，卡特里娜飓风过后，政府向房主发放支票以重建他们的房屋。

Loan Partners knew Roy would qualify for a bunch of this money as soon as he fixed up his rental property.

Loan Partners 知道罗伊一旦修好出租房产，就有资格获得一大笔钱。

And Roy did qualify.

罗伊确实符合资格。

And the money did come.

钱确实来了。

But instead of paying off the loan all at once, he just kept sending those monthly payments.

但他并没有一次性还清全部贷款，而是继续按月还款。

He thought it was like a mortgage, like the mortgages he'd been paying for years before the storm.

他认为这就像抵押贷款，就像暴风雨发生前他多年来一直在支付的抵押贷款一样。

Ray found out how big a mistake he'd made when he came home and he found this sign on his house.

当雷回到家并在他的房子上发现这个标志时，他发现自己犯了一个多么大的错误。

Can you read what it says?

你能读懂上面写的是什么吗？

Roy Bradley "Five day notice to vacate the premises.

罗伊·布拉德利“五天通知搬出场地。

First Civil Court of New Orleans states, February the 12th, 2015.

新奥尔良第一民事法院，2015 年 2 月 12 日。

Occupants--" I don't know when I became occupant in my house.

居住者——”我不知道什么时候我成为了我的房子的居住者。

"Owner wants possession." When have you became the owner?

“主人想要占有。”你什么时候成为主人了？

From Loan Partners?

来自贷款合作伙伴？

Here's the thing.

事情是这样的。

Loan Partners does own Roy's house now-- both his houses.

Loan Partners 现在确实拥有罗伊的房子——都是他的房子。

Roy didn't pay off his loan.

罗伊没有还清贷款。

The houses went into foreclosure, and Loan Partners got them.

这些房子被取消抵押品赎回权，Loan Partners 得到了它们。

Roy and Danielle can't really believe this.

罗伊和丹妮尔简直不敢相信这一点。

They're challenging it in court and appealing the sale.

他们正在法庭上对此提出质疑并对出售提出上诉。

I talked to one of the guys at Loan Partners, Bob Bergeron.

我与 Loan Partners 的一位员工 Bob Bergeron 进行了交谈。

He said, no, their business isn't built through squeezing people through tough terms and then taking their property.

他说，不，他们的生意不是通过严酷的条件压榨人们然后夺取他们的财产来建立的。

Most of the people they've lent money to haven't defaulted, he says.

他说，他们借钱给的大多数人都没有违约。

And that seems to check out.

这似乎得到了证实。

It's not such an unusual loan for a professional real estate investor.

对于专业房地产投资者来说，这并不是一笔不寻常的贷款。

But it is for Roy, who is so far from where he thought he'd be at this moment-- close to losing his home for the second time in 10 years.

但这是对罗伊来说的，他此时此刻距离他想象的位置还很远——十年来第二次濒临失去家园。

Roy Bradley To say that it's been 10 years, it should be better.

罗伊·布拉德利 要说已经10年了，应该更好了。

You know, it's like I'm trying to get it back together, and now I'm back like I'm going back down this road.

你知道，就像我正在努力将其重新组合起来，而现在我回来了，就像我要沿着这条路走回去一样。

Then 10 years later, I shouldn't be there.

那么10年后，我就不该出现在那里。

I should be stepping to another step in life.

我应该迈向人生的另一个台阶。

There are so many lots for sale in the Lower Ninth Ward since the storm.

风暴过后，下九区有很多待售地块。

And in Roy's neighborhood, people are buying them up, building new houses, then turning them around and selling them for a couple hundred thousand dollars just down the street from him.

在罗伊的社区，人们正在购买它们，建造新房子，然后将它们转过来，并在他附近的街道上以几十万美元的价格出售。

It's a fortune compared to what Roy paid 15 years ago.

与罗伊15年前支付的费用相比，这是一笔巨款。

What do you think the neighborhood will be like in 10 years?

你认为10年后这个社区会是什么样子？

10 more years?

再过10年？

Oh, all of us will be gone.

哦，我们所有人都会消失。

Black homeowners, we'll be out of here.

黑人房主，我们要离开这里。

10 more years-- this is just my theory of it-- they're going to be done kicked all of us out of here.

再过十年——这只是我的理论——他们就会把我们所有人都赶出这里。

And they're going to have these nice, big, pretty houses back here.

他们将在这里拥有这些漂亮、大、漂亮的房子。

You're going to have the street car come down through the middle.

你会让有轨电车从中间下来。

And they're going to have the [INAUDIBLE] thing in the back on the levee.

他们将在堤坝后面有[听不清]的东西。

And then we'll be gone for good.

然后我们就会永远消失。

I hope not, because I hope to still be here.

我希望不会，因为我希望还在这里。

Roy's original plan was to buy properties in the Lower Ninth and rent them out to pay for his home.

罗伊最初的计划是在下九区购买房产并出租以支付房屋费用。

With the neighborhood booming, that's exactly what's happening-- for other people.

随着社区的蓬勃发展，对于其他人来说，这正是正在发生的事情。

Zoe Chace.

佐伊·查斯。

Act 5: Fifth Stop Ira Glass OK.

第五幕：第五站 Ira Glass 好的。

We are at the fifth stop in our tour of the Lower Ninth, Royal Street.

我们来到了下九区之旅的第五站，皇家街。

So you get on Royal Street and go as far east as it goes.

所以你上了皇家街，一直向东走。

Stop where it dead ends by that six-foot-high chain link fence.

停在六英尺高的铁丝网围栏的死胡同处。

And as you stand here facing east, you can look through the fence and-- do that now-- you see the remains of the Holy Cross school.

当你面朝东方站在这里时，你可以透过栅栏看——现在就这样做——你会看到圣十字学校的遗迹。

And you can see it was once a beautiful old southern school, three stories with columns and balconies and curved brick work, now left here basically to rot.

你可以看到它曾经是一所美丽的古老南方学校，三层楼，有柱子、阳台和弯曲的砖砌结构，现在基本上已经腐烂了。

Look.

瞧。

The windows are boarded up.

窗户都用木板封住了。

And there's a bright blue tarp on the roof that's ripping into shreds it's been up there so long.

屋顶上有一块亮蓝色的防水布，已经撕成碎片了，它已经在那里呆了很长时间了。

There's some kind of scary looking black mold that I think I see peeking through the bricks.

我想我看到了某种可怕的黑色霉菌从砖块中探出。

What you're looking at right now, believe it or not, is the site of one of the big gentrification fights in the Lower Ninth.

不管你信不信，你现在看到的正是下九区一场大型绅士化斗争的地点。

This last year, a developer has been trying to build an upscale high-rise here-- condos, seven stories tall, hundreds of apartments and offices, a huge parking lot-- in a neighborhood-- again, look around.

去年，一位开发商一直试图在这里建造一座高档高层建筑——七层楼高的公寓，数百套公寓和办公室，一个巨大的停车场——在一个社区——再次环顾四周。

It's almost entirely family houses just one or two stories tall.

这里几乎都是家庭住宅，只有一两层楼高。

And whether or not this gets built, newcomers are moving into this area, especially this part of the ward.

无论是否建成，新人都会进入这个区域，尤其是病房的这一部分。

You remember Kirk Washington?

你还记得柯克·华盛顿吗？

Remember him, from the beginning of the show?

还记得节目一开始的他吗？

He lives just a couple blocks from here.

他住的地方离这里只有几个街区。

And across the street from him, a white couple moved in in his friend Isaac's old house.

在他的街对面，一对白人夫妇搬进了他朋友艾萨克的老房子里。

And he likes them.

他喜欢它们。

He likes them a lot, says hello.

他非常喜欢他们，打招呼。

How you doing?

你怎么样？

Kirk Washington Doing fine.

柯克·华盛顿 做得很好。

That's the house that Isaac-- he drowned right there in that house right there.

这就是艾萨克——他就在那所房子里淹死的房子。

The couple going into the house are Simon Hand and his wife, Sarah DeBacher.

走进这所房子的夫妇是西蒙·汉德（Simon Hand）和他的妻子莎拉·德巴赫（Sarah DeBacher）。

She's active in the local neighborhood association, and popular enough that they elected her vice president, and then they elected her president.

她在当地的邻里协会中很活跃，而且很受欢迎，他们选举了她为副会长，然后他们又选举了她为会长。

But it's complicated being, you know, sort of the face of the changing Lower Ninth.

但这是一个复杂的存在，你知道，有点像不断变化的下九区的面孔。

One of our producers, Sean Cole, talked to Sarah.

我们的制片人之一肖恩·科尔 (Sean Cole) 与莎拉进行了交谈。

Even though she thinks about race-- her race-- all the time, Sarah DeBacher is still figuring out how to talk about it.

尽管莎拉·德巴赫一直在思考种族——她的种族，但她仍在思考如何谈论它。

She can have a hard time getting through a sentence without stopping to comment on what she's saying, like when I asked her why she moved to Lower Ninth Ward after the storm.

她可能很难在不停下来评论自己所说的话的情况下说完一句话，就像当我问她为什么暴风雨后搬到下九区时。

Maybe some of it had to do with guilt and wanting-- god, this is sounding gross-- wanting to be part of helping in a meaningful way to rebuild.

也许其中一些与内疚和渴望有关——天哪，这听起来很恶心——想要以一种有意义的方式帮助重建。

Which, on the one hand, is noble, of course.

一方面，这当然是高尚的。

But on the other hand, in helping to rebuild a neighborhood that was 88% black before the hurricane, Sarah's worried she'll come across as some white savior asshole.

但另一方面，在帮助重建飓风前 88% 是黑人的社区时，莎拉担心自己会被视为某个白人救星混蛋。

My role as ah, I don't even want to say "my role." Who I am as a white newcomer to the Lower Ninth Ward, that identity has been an uncomfortable one for me.

我的角色啊，我什至不想说“我的角色”。作为一名新来下九区的白人，我是谁，这种身份让我感到不舒服。

"Newcomer" should probably be in quotes.

“新人”可能应该加引号。

Sarah's lived in the Lower Ninth Ward since 2008, so about three years after the hurricane.

莎拉自 2008 年以来一直住在下九区，也就是飓风过后大约三年。

Before that, Sarah and Simon were living upriver from the Lower Ninth in the Marigny neighborhood, next to the French Quarter.

在此之前，莎拉和西蒙住在下九区上游的马里尼街区，毗邻法国区。

But when they decided to buy a house, the Marigny wasn't an option.

但当他们决定买房时，马里尼并不是一个选择。

Because after Katrina, it was suddenly totally unaffordable for them.

因为卡特里娜飓风过后，他们突然完全无法承受。

Katrina had a gentrifying effect on a lot of the city.

卡特里娜飓风对这座城市的许多地区产生了中产阶级化的影响。

First came the YURPS, or Young Urban Rebuilding Professionals.

首先是 YURPS，即年轻城市重建专业人员。

And after they helped put the city back together, another wave of entrepreneurs and tech workers and creative economy types came in.

在他们帮助这座城市重新团结起来之后，另一波企业家、技术工人和创意经济类型涌入。

Sarah and Simon are both teachers.

莎拉和西蒙都是老师。

And the Lower Ninth Ward was more in their price range.

而下九区则更符合他们的价格范围。

Besides which, they liked it there.

除此之外，他们还喜欢那里。

I don't want to romanticize some of the, like, "oh, because neighbors talk to each other." But I mean, that's part of it.

我不想把一些事情浪漫化，比如“哦，因为邻居会互相交谈。”但我的意思是，这就是其中的一部分。

They actually started going to community meetings even before they moved to the Lower Ninth Ward.

实际上，他们甚至在搬到下九区之前就开始参加社区会议了。

And ultimately, they bought a $50,000 double shotgun house, financed by an FHA loan for first-time homebuyers, and knocked out the middle wall that separated the two apartments.

最终，他们购买了一套价值 50,000 美元的双猎枪房，由联邦住房管理局 (FHA) 为首次购房者提供的贷款提供资金，并拆除了分隔两套公寓的中间墙。

As you're more than aware by now, people in the Lower Ninth Ward are friendly.

正如您现在所知道的，下九区的人们都很友好。

And they were friendly to Sarah and her husband.

他们对莎拉和她的丈夫很友好。

But there was definitely a "what are you doing here" type vibe in the beginning, and even a few years in.

但一开始，甚至几年后，肯定会有一种“你在这里做什么”类型的氛围。

She remembers this one night after her first son was born.

她在第一个儿子出生后的一个晚上记得这件事。

It was late, maybe 11 o'clock.

时间已经很晚了，大概11点了。

And these kids down the way started setting off fireworks.

沿路的孩子们开始燃放烟花。

And my son had colic.

我儿子得了绞痛。

And so, like, I was in the trenches with this baby who never stopped crying.

所以，就像，我和这个不停哭泣的婴儿一起在战壕里。

And he was asleep.

他睡着了。

And then these fireworks started going off.

然后这些烟花开始燃放。

And I went out in and first talked to the kids and just said, "hey, can you maybe do that another time?"

我出去先和孩子们交谈，然后说：“嘿，你能再做一次吗？”

And then there was a voice from the porch.

然后门廊里传来了声音。

And she was like, if you have a problem, you can talk to me.

她说，如果你有问题，可以和我谈谈。

You don't talk to my kids.

你不跟我的孩子说话。

And, you know, touche.

而且，你知道，触摸。

That's fair.

这很公平。

Sarah Debacher That's fair.

莎拉·德巴赫 这是公平的。

So Sarah says to her, look, you're a mom.

所以莎拉对她说，看，你是一个妈妈。

I'm a mom.

我是一位妈妈。

I've got this colicky baby.

我有一个肠绞痛的宝宝。

I'm going nuts.

我要疯了。

Can you please tell your kids to knock it off?

你能告诉你的孩子把它关掉吗？

And she came off the porch and got in my face and said, you know, we didn't have any problems before you people moved in.

她从门廊走下来，当着我的面说，你知道，在你们搬进来之前我们没有任何问题。

We all minded our own business.

我们都只管自己的事。

And I was like, whoa.

我当时想，哇。

I really just need to sleep.

我真的只需要睡觉。

I need just my baby to sleep.

我只需要我的宝宝睡觉。

That's what this is about.

这就是本文的目的。

And she just wasn't hearing it.

而她只是没有听到。

I mean, she was not hearing it.

我的意思是，她没有听到。

That conversation was about the changes in her neighborhood and anger about that.

那次谈话是关于她社区的变化以及对此的愤怒。

And at that moment, I was trying to make it about me.

在那一刻，我试图让它成为关于我自己的事情。

You know, like, can we be neighbors?

你知道，我们可以做邻居吗？

And I don't know.

我不知道。

When I'm thinking about it now, I'm realizing that maybe my expectation that I would be able to diffuse that situation was coming from a little bit of a sense of entitlement.

当我现在思考这个问题时，我意识到也许我对能够化解这种情况的期望来自于一点权利感。

Like, why aren't you calming down?

比如说，你为什么不冷静？

Right.

对。

Sarah Debacher But I recognize that that interaction was tied to who I am-- big W--

莎拉·德巴赫但我认识到这种互动与我是谁有关——大W——

Big W White person.

大W白人。

But it's not just that Sarah's a white person in the Lower Ninth Ward.

但这不仅仅是因为莎拉是下九区的白人。

She's a community leader.

她是社区领袖。

When that interaction with her neighbor happened, Sarah was already vice president of her neighborhood association.

当莎拉与邻居发生互动时，她已经是邻里协会的副主席了。

And it's tricky to work on behalf of this largely African American community in a way that doesn't seem like she's saying, I know what's good for you.

代表这个主要由非裔美国人组成的社区工作是很棘手的，而她的方式似乎不像她说的那样，我知道什么对你有好处。

Good afternoon, and thank you for coming.

下午好，感谢您的光临。

The public hearing before the city planning commission is now called to order.

城市规划委员会现在召开公开听证会。

But this is how skewed and confusing the politics can get.

但这就是政治的扭曲和混乱。

That big condo complex that's been proposed in the Lower Ninth Ward?

下九区拟建的大型公寓大楼？

Sarah is one of the people spearheading the opposition to it.

莎拉是带头反对它的人之一。

At a planning commission meeting last year, her neighbors applauded her before she even started talking.

去年在一次规划委员会会议上，她还没开始讲话，邻居们就为她鼓掌。

She cited specific zoning ordinances and showed slides.

她引用了具体的分区条例并展示了幻灯片。

I've been hearing again and again that the Lower Ninth Ward has to take what they can get.

我一再听到下九区必须拿走他们能得到的东西。

We do not believe that the Lower Ninth Ward has to take what we can get.

我们不认为下九区必须拿走我们能得到的东西。

In fact--

事实上——

But then one of the supporters of the project stood up, a guy who said he was born in the Lower Ninth and was around for Hurricane Betsy too, and that the area really needs a development like this one.

但随后该项目的一位支持者站了起来，他说自己出生在下九区，也曾遭受贝特西飓风袭击，该地区确实需要这样的开发。

And then he basically said the thing that Sarah's so concerned about all the time.

然后他基本上说了莎拉一直关心的事情。

And you Johnny-come-lately people, y'all don't know about the Lower Ninth Ward.

你们这些新来的约翰尼，你们都不知道下九区。

Y'all don't know anything about the Lower Ninth Ward.

你们对下九区一无所知。

So for understandable reasons, Sarah wants to make sure she's being a neighbor in the right way.

因此，出于可以理解的原因，莎拉希望确保她以正确的方式成为邻居。

And she's actually checked in with folks, in a way that you never really encounter, to ask them point blank, am I doing this the right way?

她实际上以一种你从未真正遇到过的方式与人们进行了交流，直截了当地问他们，我这样做的方式正确吗？

You know, I came home last night and talked to a couple of my neighbors, Trina and Duane, about, like, what does this feel like for you, this 10 years later stuff?

你知道，我昨晚回到家，和我的几个邻居 Trina 和 Duane 聊了聊，比如，这对你来说是什么感觉，10 年后的事情？

And how are you doing?

你怎么样？

And I was like, so what did you think when we moved here?

我当时想，当我们搬到这里时你怎么想？

What did you think?

你觉得怎么样？

And Trina said, well, you know, Bud wanted to buy that house.

特丽娜说，嗯，你知道，巴德想买那栋房子。

Bud is Kirk Washington.

巴德是柯克·华盛顿。

Some people call him Bud.

有些人称他为巴德。

They also call him Wash and Washington.

他们也称他为沃什和华盛顿。

He has a lot of names.

他有很多名字。

And he just, I guess, didn't get it together in time or whatever.

我想他只是没有及时把事情整合起来或者其他什么原因。

And so there was that.

事情就是这样。

But we don't have a problem with you, Sarah, We don't have a problem with you.

但我们对你没有问题，莎拉，我们对你没有问题。

Which was interesting, because the implication there is that there are problems.

这很有趣，因为这意味着存在问题。

Because there are.

因为有。

Do you feel like you're a part of the problem?

你觉得自己是问题的一部分吗？

I don't know, man.

我不知道，伙计。

In some ways, I don't feel like I really have control over that.

在某些方面，我觉得我无法真正控制它。

That's a good question, right?

这是个好问题，对吧？

But in some ways, I feel like, well, so what if I do or don't?

但在某些方面，我觉得，好吧，如果我做或不做又怎么样？

It's really up to the people around her to make that call.

这实际上是由她周围的人来决定的。

And it's up to them whether to hold it against her that she wouldn't even be their neighbor if it weren't for this storm that upended all their lives.

如果不是这场颠覆了他们一生的风暴，她甚至不会成为他们的邻居，这取决于他们是否反对她。

My neighbor told me last night that the man who lived in our house-- and I knew this.

我的邻居昨晚告诉我，住在我们家的那个人——我知道这一点。

I knew that someone had died in our house, although I didn't know when we bought the house.

我知道我们房子里有人死了，虽然我不知道我们什么时候买的房子。

I really didn't.

我真的没有。

I mean, like, how naive can I be?

我的意思是，我能有多天真？

It said one DOA, like, spray painted on the side of the house.

上面写着一个DOA，就像在房子的一侧喷漆一样。

Dead on arrival.

抵达时已死亡。

Sarah Debacher And then I went and talked to Washington.

莎拉·德巴赫（Sarah Debacher） 然后我去和华盛顿交谈。

And Washington told me-- this is like why my neighbors are so dope, OK?

华盛顿告诉我——这就像为什么我的邻居如此愚蠢，好吗？

So Washington told me the man who lived in our house that he had a bit of a drinking problem.

所以华盛顿告诉我住在我们家的那个人，他有一点酗酒的问题。

And probably he just drank too much and fell asleep on the bed and the water just came up over his head.

也许他只是喝太多了，在床上睡着了，水就漫过他的头顶了。

He told me that.

他告诉我的。

So just to clarify, this is what Kirk Washington said to Sarah at the time, seven years ago, when she first got to the neighborhood.

澄清一下，这是七年前，当莎拉第一次来到这个社区时，柯克·华盛顿对她说的话。

He did not tell her what he told Robyn, about how his neighbor Isaac shouted for help and how he's haunted by that still.

他没有告诉她他告诉罗宾的事情，没有告诉她他的邻居艾萨克如何大声呼救，以及他仍然对此耿耿于怀。

And then last night, Trina told me the truth, which I'm not sure I can really utter without falling apart.

昨晚，特丽娜告诉了我真相，我不确定自己能否在不崩溃的情况下说出真相。

But he didn't go quietly in his sleep.

但他并没有在睡梦中安静地走。

Even for people who weren't here for the storm, everything in the Lower Ninth Ward is attached to loss in some way.

即使对于那些没有来这里观看风暴的人来说，下九区的一切都以某种方式与损失联系在一起。

And the recovery has been so slow.

而且恢复得这么慢。

And it's happening in a way that a lot of people here, including Sarah, didn't sign up for.

而这一切的发生方式是这里的很多人，包括莎拉，都没有同意的。

On the surface, it looks like the really typical story of gentrification.

从表面上看，这似乎是一个典型的中产阶级化故事。

And as a country, we are terrible at that, at figuring out how to improve the neighborhood without fundamentally altering it and displacing the people who live there.

作为一个国家，我们在这方面做得很糟糕，在不从根本上改变社区并取代居住在那里的人的情况下弄清楚如何改善社区。

There are always losers.

总有失败者。

But what's especially harsh here in the Lower Ninth is that this is happening in a place where so much loss has already come before it.

但在下九区，尤其严酷的是，这种情况发生在一个已经遭受了如此多损失的地方。

Sean Cole.

肖恩·科尔.

Act 6: Sixth Stop Ira Glass We've arrived at the sixth stop, our last stop, on the tour of the Lower Ninth.

第六幕：第六站 Ira Glass 我们已经到达了下九区之旅的第六站，也是最后一站。

Morning.

早上。

Come on, man.

来吧，伙计。

You got the ball.

你拿到了球。

On Alabo Street, between North Villere and Urquhart, there's some rebuilt homes.

在北维莱尔和厄克特之间的阿拉博街上，有一些重建的房屋。

And there's some homes that look like Katrina just hit, like one house that scares the neighborhood kids that has possums living inside.

还有一些房屋看起来就像卡特里娜飓风刚刚袭击的一样，比如一栋让邻居孩子感到害怕的房子，里面住着负鼠。

In front of an abandoned lot, somebody's put up a basketball hoop.

在一片废弃场地前，有人竖起了一个篮球筐。

And we talked to so many people in the Lower Ninth who are still so traumatized by what happened a decade ago that at some point, we just started looking for anybody who wasn't.

我们与下九区的许多人进行了交谈，他们仍然因十年前发生的事情而受到创伤，以至于在某个时候，我们开始寻找那些没有受到创伤的人。

That's how we ended up here.

我们就是这样来到这里的。

When I think about it, I just turn on the TV--

想到这里，我就打开电视——

You know what people do?

你知道人们做什么吗？

Brishun Gary Shhh.

布里顺·加里·嘘。

I'm talking.

我正在说话。

Come on, man.

来吧，伙计。

Brishun Gary I just turn on the TV, do a search, and I type in Hurricane Season -- you know the movie that they made about New Orleans, yeah?

Brishun Gary 我只是打开电视，进行搜索，然后输入飓风季节 - 你知道他们制作的关于新奥尔良的电影，是吗？

I'll be watching that.

我会注意的。

Brishun Gary and his buddies talked to Zoe.

Brishun Gary 和他的伙伴们与 Zoe 进行了交谈。

They are 14, 13, and 11.

他们分别是 14 岁、13 岁和 11 岁。

And they do not remember the storm.

他们不记得那场风暴。

Their big source of information, this film Hurricane Season , is a straight to DVD film about high school basketball players in the city after the storm.

他们的重要信息来源是这部影片《飓风季节》，这是一部直接制作 DVD 的电影，讲述了暴风雨过后城市中的高中篮球运动员的故事。

Needless to say, when these guys tell the story of the storm that destroyed their own neighborhood, it is without the pain you hear when adults tell it.

不用说，当这些人讲述摧毁他们自己社区的风暴的故事时，他们不会感受到成年人讲述时所听到的痛苦。

Because my grandmother was with that.

因为我的祖母也同意这一点。

They was living through that.

他们正在经历这样的事情。

She said they lying down.

她说他们躺着。

Next thing you know, all you hear was, ah, ah, swish.

接下来你知道的就是，你听到的只是，啊，啊，嗖嗖。

What?

什么？

Brishun Gary And she said-- because they were screaming.

Brishun Gary 她说——因为他们在尖叫。

[GIGGLING] No, listen.

[咯咯笑]不，听着。

Because they were screaming.

因为他们在尖叫。

And then she was like, swish.

然后她就像，嗖嗖。

And then the water just came on [INAUDIBLE].

然后水就来了[听不清]。

The roof came off.

屋顶脱落了。

[GROWL] So she said she couldn't get on top of the roof, so she got on top of her dresser.

[咆哮]所以她说她爬不到屋顶，所以她爬到了梳妆台上。

And once she told me that, I'm like, man.

一旦她告诉我，我就想，伙计。

I thought she was lying at first.

我一开始以为她在撒谎。

So I started watching movies.

所以我开始看电影。

And then I was like, oh, yes, must be true.

然后我就想，哦，是的，一定是真的。

What's interesting talking to kids about this is that some of the events that adults remember with horror, like being displaced to Texas or to Georgia, and all the difficulties in providing for their kids and finding housing and finding work, for the kids was sometimes just a very different experience.

与孩子们谈论这一点的有趣之处在于，成年人会惊恐地记得一些事件，比如流离失所到德克萨斯州或佐治亚州，以及养育孩子、寻找住房和找到工作的所有困难，对孩子们来说，有时只是一次非常不同的经历。

It was so fun.

太有趣了。

Ira Glass Breyana was only two when her family fled the city for Texas.

当艾拉·格拉斯·布雷亚娜（Ira Glass Breyana）全家逃离这座城市前往德克萨斯州时，她只有两岁。

Because I remember getting to spend time with my family.

因为我记得与家人共度时光。

Because usually, you know your mom goes to work, and your grandma goes to work.

因为通常情况下，你知道你妈妈去上班，你奶奶去上班。

And I was happy, because my mom and my grandma was at home, and we get to have fun with each other.

我很高兴，因为我的妈妈和奶奶在家，我们可以互相玩得很开心。

Like after Hurricane Katrina, we went from Mississippi, from Mississippi to Georgia, from Georgia to South Carolina, from South Carolina to North Carolina to North Carolina, Pennsylvania.

就像卡特里娜飓风之后一样，我们从密西西比州出发，从密西西比州到佐治亚州，从佐治亚州到南卡罗来纳州，从南卡罗来纳州到北卡罗来纳州，再到宾夕法尼亚州的北卡罗来纳州。

I've been all over.

我已经全部结束了

[LAUGHS] I've been all over for real.

[笑]我真的已经完蛋了。

Bron was 12 when the storm hit and his family went all over.

暴风雨袭来时，布隆 12 岁，他的家人陷入了困境。

It's pretty nice to actually see other states than just New Orleans.

很高兴能够看到新奥尔良以外的其他州。

Because when I was young, I didn't used to see nothing else outside.

因为当我年轻的时候，我不习惯看到外面有什么其他的东西。

Hurricane Katrina really helped me out to see other places.

卡特里娜飓风确实帮助我参观了其他地方。

Yeah.

是的。

Over on Gordon Street, between Burgundy and Rampart, Robyn ran into this 23-year-old, just, you know, on the street.

在勃艮第和城墙之间的戈登街，罗宾遇到了这个 23 岁的人，你知道，就在街上。

And they started talking.

他们开始交谈。

And his name is Terrence Marshall.

他的名字叫泰伦斯·马歇尔。

He went to Texas for a year after the storm.

暴风雨过后，他去了德克萨斯州一年。

And then his family came back.

然后他的家人回来了。

And since then, he's found all of his old friends from when he was a little kid growing up here, from back when he was 13, except one of them.

从那时起，他找到了所有从小一起长大的老朋友，从他 13 岁起的老朋友，除了其中一个。

His name's Samuel.

他的名字叫塞缪尔。

Samuel.

塞缪尔.

Robyn Semien Have you tried to find him?

罗宾·塞米恩（Robyn Semien） 你尝试过找到他吗？

Yeah, I tried on Facebook and Myspace.

是的，我尝试过 Facebook 和 Myspace。

I tried Twitter.

我尝试了推特。

I called his house phone.

我拨通了他家里的电话。

But the line was disconnected.

但线路已断开。

I can't find him.

我找不到他。

You tried to ask other people who knew him?

你想问问其他认识他的人吗？

Yeah.

是的。

They ain't seen him either.

他们也没有看到他。

So I just hope ain't nothing happened to him.

所以我只希望他没有出什么事。

But you don't know.

但你不知道。

Terrence Marshall I don't know.

特伦斯·马歇尔 我不知道。

I just want to see him again.

我只是想再次见到他。

Though most of the people who died in Katrina were elderly, many of those in their own homes, some kids died, too.

尽管在卡特里娜飓风中丧生的大多数人都是老年人，其中许多人是在自己家里，但也有一些孩子死亡。

The best estimates are 10 or 20 in New Orleans.

新奥尔良的最佳估计数为 10 或 20。

Terrence is an adult now.

特伦斯现在已经是成年人了。

When he last saw Samuel, they were both in middle school, both 13.

当他最后一次见到塞缪尔时，他们都在上中学，都是 13 岁。

They loved to play Game Boy and YuGiOh cards together.

他们喜欢一起玩 Game Boy 和 YuGiOh 牌。

He asked Robyn that we would broadcast a message over the radio.

他要求罗宾我们通过广播广播一条信息。

Here it is.

就是这里。

Hey, old Sam, it's T.

嘿，老山姆，我是T。

Tell me if you made it.

告诉我你是否成功了。

Have you made it through Katrina?

你成功度过卡特里娜飓风了吗？

Some kind of way you hear this, let me know you're alive, you hear me?

你能以某种方式听到这个，让我知道你还活着，听到了吗？

I seen everybody except you.

我见过除了你以外的所有人。

Tyrone.

蒂龙.

I've seen Mo.

我见过莫。

I even seen B.

我什至看到了B。

But hey, just let me know if you're out there.

但是，嘿，如果你在外面，请告诉我。

Yeah, I hear you.

是的，我听到了。

Robyn Semien Hey, I have someone here that wants to talk to you.

Robyn Semien 嘿，我有人想和你谈谈。

I swear to god, son.

我向上帝发誓，儿子。

Hey, Sam, where you at?

嘿，萨姆，你在哪里？

Sam, it's Terrence, son.

山姆，我是特伦斯，儿子。

Sam, it's Terrence, son.

山姆，我是特伦斯，儿子。

Yeah.

是的。

What's up, man?

怎么了，伙计？

Terrence Marshall Damn, boy.

特伦斯·马歇尔 该死的，孩子。

Where the hell you been?

你到底去哪儿了？

I've been to New Jersey.

我去过新泽西。

I've been to Arkansas.

我去过阿肯色州。

Man, what's up, brah?

伙计，怎么了，兄弟？

I even seen Maurice, Tyrone, Jessica, all of them.

我什至看到了莫里斯、蒂龙、杰西卡，他们所有人。

[INAUDIBLE].

[听不清]。

I thought you was dead, boy.

我以为你死了，孩子。

I swear to God.

我向上帝发誓。

Yeah.

是的。

Terrence Marshall Man, what's up, for real?

特伦斯·马歇尔 曼，到底怎么了？

How your mom doing?

你妈妈怎么样？

How your brothers doing?

你的兄弟们怎么样？

What's up?

怎么了？

Like, they're doing good.

就像，他们做得很好。

Terrence Marshall Yeah, so I'm still short, lil son.

泰伦斯·马歇尔 是的，所以我还是矮个子，小儿子。

[LAUGHS] Terrence Marshall Yeah, exactly.

[笑] 特伦斯·马歇尔 是的，没错。

I'm only like 5'6", son-- 5'5", 5'6", son.

我只是身高 5 英尺 6 英寸，儿子——5 英尺 5 英寸，5 英尺 6 英寸，儿子。

[LAUGHS] I'm like 6 foot now.

[笑]我现在大概有 6 英尺了。

Terrence Marshall Damn!

特伦斯·马歇尔 该死！

Hey, wait.

嘿，等等。

Samuel, will you tell me, what did you think happened to Terrence?

塞缪尔，你能告诉我，你认为特伦斯身上发生了什么吗？

I never asked you that.

我从来没有问过你这个问题。

I actually thought he did not survive Katrina.

我实际上以为他没有在卡特里娜飓风中幸存下来。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

In Katrina, like, you hear the death count, but you don't hear who.

在卡特里娜飓风中，你听到死亡人数，但听不到是谁。

Hey, I don't mean to cut you off.

嘿，我并不是有意打断你。

Not to cut you off, but you still talk-- like, you got a different accent.

不是为了打断你，但你仍然说话——就像，你有不同的口音。

But you're still talking and responding the same way from when you were a little kid, son.

但你仍然以小时候的方式说话和回应，儿子。

You were like, uh.

你就像，呃。

And you still do that.

而你仍然这样做。

Yeah.

是的。

They say I have like a dad laugh.

他们说我笑起来像爸爸。

That's how they made fun of me here.

这就是他们在这里取笑我的方式。

[LAUGHS] Man, I'm not even gonna lie, man.

[笑]伙计，我什至不会撒谎，伙计。

I got a huge burden-- like, this is like a real-- I really feel like you blessed me just now.

我有一个巨大的负担——就像，这就像真实的——我真的觉得你刚才祝福了我。

Like, seriously, it feel good.

说真的，感觉很好。

It feel real good talking to you son, because you were like my best friend, son.

儿子，和你说话感觉真的很好，因为你就像我最好的朋友。

Like damn, dude.

就像该死的，伙计。

Yeah.

是的。

Terrence Marshall This feel good.

特伦斯·马歇尔 这感觉很好。

This feel good talking to you.

和你说话感觉很好。

I ain't even going to front.

我什至都不会去前面。

Well, our program was produced today by Robyn Semien and Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Stephanie Foo, Chana Joffe-Walt, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, with Brian Reed, Alissa Shipp, Lily Sullivan, and Nancy Updike.

今天我们的节目由 Robyn Semien 和 Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Stephanie Foo、Chana Joffe-Walt、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar 以及 Brian Reed、Alissa Shipp、Lily Sullivan 和 Nancy Updike 制作。

Our editor is Joel Lovell.

我们的编辑是乔尔·洛弗尔。

Julie Snyder is editorial consultant.

朱莉·斯奈德是编辑顾问。

Other editing help this week from David George and Neil Drumming.

本周，大卫·乔治 (David George) 和尼尔·德鲁明 (Neil Drumming) 提供了其他编辑帮助。

Additional reporting today by going Laine Kaplan-Levenson.

今天由莱恩·卡普兰-利文森 (Laine Kaplan-Levenson) 进行补充报道。

Additional production work from Sachar Mathias.

萨查尔·马蒂亚斯 (Sachar Mathias) 的其他制作工作。

Seth Lind is our operations director.

塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的运营总监。

Emily Condon's our production manager.

艾米丽·康登是我们的生产经理。

Elise Bergerson's our business operations manager.

Elise Bergerson 是我们的业务运营经理。

Elna Baker scouts stories for the show.

艾尔娜·贝克为节目寻找故事。

Kimberly Henderson is our office coordinator.

Kimberly Henderson 是我们的办公室协调员。

Research help today from Christopher Swetala and Michelle Harris.

Christopher Swetala 和 Michelle Harris 今天提供了研究帮助。

Music help today from Damien Graef and Rob Geddis.

今天达米安·格雷夫 (Damien Graef) 和罗布·格迪斯 (Rob Geddis) 提供音乐帮助。

Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org.

我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org。

This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.

《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。

Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.

一如既往地感谢我们计划的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。

You know, in his early career in broadcasting, he actually fired-- fired-- Eugene Levy from SCTV.

你知道，在他早期的广播职业生涯中，他实际上解雇了 SCTV 的尤金·利维 (Eugene Levy)。

It was very difficult to do.

这很难做到。

That was a very good levee.

那是一个非常好的堤坝。

I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of this American life.

我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多关于美国生活的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。