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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass Jordan did not love the idea of coming into the studio to tell this next story.
序言：序言 艾拉·格拉斯·乔丹 (Ira Glass Jordan) 不喜欢进入工作室讲述下一个故事的想法。
The very first thing he said to me when he sat down was--
当他坐下时，他对我说的第一句话是——
I am curious-- of all the stories, why this story?
我很好奇——在所有的故事中，为什么是这个故事？
Because it's not my particularly proudest story.
因为这不是我最自豪的故事。
In fact, the only reason that he agreed to the interview is that he's good friends with the little brother of one of our producers, Miki.
事实上，他同意接受采访的唯一原因是他和我们制作人之一的弟弟 Miki 是好朋友。
They all grew up together.
他们都是一起长大的。
And this story happened when he was going into his senior year of high school in small town Utah.
这个故事发生在他在犹他州小镇上高中高年级时。
Jordan and his buddies all lived together in a house that summer, daring each other into Jackass style pranks and stunts.
那年夏天，乔丹和他的伙伴们住在一所房子里，互相挑战愚蠢的恶作剧和特技。
For instance, there's this time they drove a car into an orchard.
例如，有一次他们把车开进果园。
There's the bike accident that gave Jordan one huge swollen testicle.
一场自行车事故导致乔丹的睾丸肿得很大。
There's the time they peed into a 7 Up can, and Miki's mom accidentally drank out of it.
有一次，他们往 7 Up 罐子里撒尿，Miki 的妈妈不小心把罐子里的水喝了出来。
I'll tell you it was not my pee in the 7 UP can.
我告诉你，7 UP 罐里的尿不是我的。
All right.
好的。
Jordan Riley And I feel like to talk on public radio, there's a part of me that would rather tell America at large about my swollen testicles story.
乔丹·莱利（Jordan Riley）我想在公共广播上讲话，我内心的一部分宁愿告诉整个美国人我睾丸肿胀的故事。
But this is the one that I feel I tell the least.
但这是我觉得我说得最少的一个。
The story that he tells the least-- the one that he's about to tell you right now-- is about how he did not become Mr. Genola in the Mr. Genola contest.
他讲得最少的故事——也就是他现在要告诉你的故事——是关于他如何没有在 Genola 先生大赛中成为 Genola 先生的。
Genola is a farming town, population 1,300.
Genola是一个农业城镇，人口1,300。
And the contest was a pageant for guys.
这场比赛是一场男子选美比赛。
There was no Miss Genola pageant.
没有吉诺拉小姐选美比赛。
And it was a brand new tradition, only in its second year, and it was not a serious contest.
这是一个全新的传统，才进入第二年，而且这并不是一场严肃的比赛。
Like the winner the first year, for the talent competition, ate a frozen burrito while it was still frozen.
就像第一年的优胜者一样，在才艺比赛中，在冷冻卷饼还没有冷冻的时候就吃了它。
Like, that was his talent.
就像，这就是他的天赋。
Jordan's friend, who was also named Jordan, had competed that first year wearing a blow up butterfly float during the swimsuit competition and singing Pearl Jam to his dead frog in the talent section.
乔丹的朋友，也叫乔丹，第一年在泳装比赛中穿着充气蝴蝶浮标参加比赛，并在才艺区对着死去的青蛙唱珍珠果酱。
And he's deciding that we're going to enter the Mr. Genola content and volunteers me to be the participant, the single participant out of our house.
他决定我们要进入 Genola 先生的内容，并自愿让我成为参与者，我们家中唯一的参与者。
And just so you can picture this-- they did have an audience of a couple hundred people, because it was scheduled as part of the annual Genola Day celebration.
正如你可以想象的那样——他们确实有几百人的观众，因为它被安排为一年一度的 Genola Day 庆祝活动的一部分。
Which has a rodeo, and a greased pig chase, and a town dinner, and a parade.
其中有牛仔竞技表演、油腻的猪追逐赛、城镇晚宴和游行。
And in the middle of a public park, they took a bunch of wood apple bins and flipped them over, and put some plywood across it and made a stage.
在一个公园的中央，他们拿了一堆木苹果箱并将它们翻转过来，并在上面放了一些胶合板，搭建了一个舞台。
And then, probably eight contestants, all high schoolers--
然后，大概有八名参赛者，都是高中生——
We're honored to be the MCs for the Mr. Genola pageant.
我们很荣幸成为 Genola 先生选美比赛的主持人。
We hope you understand this pageant is not a scholarship pageant.
我们希望您理解本次选美比赛不是奖学金选美比赛。
In the video of this, you can see two teenaged MCs dressed in spoof awards show wear-- a girl in a checkered jacket with a comically wide lapel, and a boy in formal tails and a vest, no shirt at all, bow tie, and cowboy hat.
在这段视频中，你可以看到两位十几岁的主持人穿着恶搞颁奖典礼的服装——一个女孩穿着一件滑稽的宽翻领格子夹克，一个男孩穿着正式的燕尾服和背心，根本没有衬衫，打着领结，戴着牛仔帽。
Jordan and I went right to the part where he comes on stage.
乔丹和我直接走到他上台的地方。
Our fifth contestant is Jordan Alberto Riley, son of Alan and Kris Riley.
我们的第五位参赛者是乔丹·阿尔贝托·莱利 (Jordan Alberto Riley)，他是艾伦 (Alan) 和克里斯·莱利 (Kris Riley) 的儿子。
We couldn't find anything special about him.
我们找不到他有什么特别之处。
So they just announced me.
所以他们就宣布了我的消息。
And you know, it's a small town.
你知道，这是一个小镇。
They tell me who my parents are.
他们告诉我我的父母是谁。
And I come up on the stage, and I'm wearing a shirt with sleeves cut off, and I've got some long hair and a hat.
我登上舞台，穿着一件袖子被剪掉的衬衫，留着长发，戴着一顶帽子。
And then I bring up a wheelchair.
然后我拿来一把轮椅。
Jordan had used a wheelchair for a little while after an injury once.
乔丹在受伤后曾使用过一段时间的轮椅。
Now he starts showing off the tricks he learned then-- popping wheelies and spinning.
现在他开始展示他当时学到的技巧——弹出后轮特技和旋转。
I just was spinning faster and faster, until me and the wheelchair all spun off to the side, tumbling backwards.
我旋转得越来越快，直到我和轮椅都旋转到一边，向后翻滚。
After a few more wheelies, Jordan gets up from the chair, flexes his muscles.
又做了几次后轮特技后，乔丹从椅子上站起来，活动了一下肌肉。
Heavy metal music kicks in.
重金属音乐响起。
[HEAVY METAL MUSIC PLAYING] And his buddies carry an old door onstage, this door that has a big pane of glass in the top third.
[重金属音乐播放] 他的伙伴们在舞台上抬着一扇旧门，这扇门的顶部三分之一处有一块大玻璃。
Jordan grabs the mike to explain what's going to happen.
乔丹抓住麦克风解释将要发生的事情。
I'm pretty much just breaking a window.
我几乎只是打破了一扇窗户。
That's about it.
就是这样。
Now, I'm pumping myself up by flexing and shaking my head.
现在，我通过弯曲和摇头来给自己打气。
And I run at it and give it a good punch through the window.
我跑过去，从窗户里狠狠地打了它一拳。
And then I stepped back, and I looked at this window, and there was a triangular piece of glass right in the middle of it.
然后我退后一步，我看着这扇窗户，在它的中间有一块三角形的玻璃。
And I looked at that, and I thought, that's funny.
我看着那个，我想，这很有趣。
I don't remember that glass having blood on it before I punched through it.
我不记得在我打穿玻璃之前它上面有血。
And stepped back, and I'm just looking at the audience, and I looked down-- down right at my forearm, like almost to my elbow.
然后退后一步，我只是看着观众，然后我低头看向我的前臂，几乎看向我的肘部。
And there was a hole.
还有一个洞。
And like, in that moment in time, it was like when things go in slow motion.
就像，在那一刻，事情就像慢动作一样。
I remember a severed muscle hanging out.
我记得有一块被切断的肌肉悬在外面。
And I'm looking at my forearm, and I think about this time that we went hiking in the Narrows of Zion's national park.
我看着我的前臂，想起这一次我们在锡安海峡国家公园徒步旅行。
And I was carrying a Rambo knife, and I went to go catch a snake.
我拿着一把兰博刀，去抓一条蛇。
And I cut the side of this snake in his-- you can see some stuff coming out this gash, which I immediately regretted.
我把这条蛇的侧面切到了他的身上——你可以看到一些东西从这个伤口里流出来，我立刻就后悔了。
But I stood there, and I thought about that snake as I looked at my forearm.
但我站在那里，看着我的前臂，想起了那条蛇。
Yeah.
是的。
Jordan Riley And then it seemed like, bam!
乔丹·莱利 然后看起来，砰！
Fast motion happens.
发生快速运动。
And I turn around, and blood is just splatting on the floor.
我转过身，血溅到了地板上。
And the MC steps in.
然后MC介入。
And I'm showing her my arm, and I'm saying, call an ambulance!
我向她展示我的手臂，我说，叫救护车！
And she says, is that real?
她说，这是真的吗？
Oh, she thought it was a prank.
哦，她以为这是恶作剧。
She thought you were just like-- you have fake blood or something.
她以为你就像——你有假血什么的。
Oh, totally.
哦，完全可以。
Everybody did.
每个人都这么做了。
And then one of my friends tears off his t-shirt and then tourniquets around it.
然后我的一个朋友撕下了他的 T 恤，然后用止血带缠住它。
They're like, he's turning white.
他们就像，他变白了。
He's turning white.
他的脸色变白了
Just lay him down.
就让他躺下吧。
Kids start rushing the stage to see.
孩子们开始涌上舞台观看。
We actually talked to one of those kids, who's grown now.
我们实际上和其中一个孩子交谈过，他现在已经长大了。
And he said that he figured it was fake blood and a really cool prank.
他说他认为这是假血，是一个非常酷的恶作剧。
And then he got near and saw that it was real.
然后他走近一看，发现这是真的。
And the next thing he knew, he was waking up under a tree with an oxygen mask.
接下来他就知道，他在树下醒来，戴着氧气面罩。
Jordan and his friends believe a few people fainted.
乔丹和他的朋友相信有几个人晕倒了。
Ladies and gentlemen, we're getting as cleaned up as soon as we can.
女士们先生们，我们正在尽快进行清理工作。
Please, that happened totally on accident.
拜托，这完全是偶然发生的。
I didn't know he was doing that, and we probably wouldn't have allowed it.
我不知道他这样做，我们可能也不会允许。
So for the judges' information, we're going to have Mike Huell go before Clark Davis, because Mike's singing and Clark's dancing.
因此，为了向评委提供信息，我们将让迈克·韦尔（Mike Huell）排在克拉克·戴维斯（Clark Davis）之前，因为迈克在唱歌，克拉克在跳舞。
So we can let the stage dry for a minute.
所以我们可以让舞台干燥一分钟。
Jordan says that this girl MC, later, said how mad she was that he ruined her pageant.
乔丹说，这位女孩MC后来说她非常生气，因为他毁了她的选美比赛。
But at this moment, she and the other teenaged MC had to ad-lib their way through this situation that I think even a very experienced public speaker would find challenging.
但此时此刻，她和另一位十几岁的主持人不得不即兴发挥，以应对这种情况，我认为即使是一位非常有经验的公共演讲者也会觉得具有挑战性。
There's a man on stage with them mopping up blood-- like with a mop, there's so much blood.
台上有一个男人正在和他们一起擦血——就像用拖把一样，血太多了。
And they have to fill time.
他们必须填补时间。
All right.
好的。
Um, well, how's the show so far?
嗯，到目前为止，演出怎么样？
That goes over surprisingly well.
进展出奇地顺利。
And so to stall for time, they run through what apparently is the only standby material they have.
因此，为了拖延时间，他们浏览了显然是他们唯一的备用材料。
The boy onstage pulls out a fistful of pages.
台上的男孩拿出一把书页。
All right.
好的。
Here's something a man named John put on his answering machine.
这是一个名叫约翰的人在他的答录机上放的东西。
It says, hi, this is John.
它说，嗨，这是约翰。
If you are the phone company, I already sent the money.
如果你是电话公司，我已经汇款了。
If you are my parents, please send money.
如果你是我的父母，请寄钱给我。
If you are my friends, you owe me money.
如果你是我的朋友，你就欠我钱。
If you are a female, don't worry.
如果您是女性，请不要担心。
I have plenty of money.
我有很多钱。
Here's another one.
这是另一张。
Hi, I am probably home.
嗨，我可能在家了。
I just-- I'm just--
我只是——我只是——
They never did another Mr. Genola contest.
他们再也没有参加过 Genola 先生比赛。
This pretty much killed it off.
这几乎杀死了它。
The ambulance came.
救护车来了。
Jordan didn't lose an arm.
乔丹并没有失去一只手臂。
He's fine.
他很好。
He's in his 30s now.
他现在30多岁了。
And the phrase that he uses for what he's become now is "contributing member of society." He settled down.
他用“对社会有贡献的一员”来形容他现在的成就。他安定下来。
He's a farmer-- grows apples, cherries, peaches-- with a family, a young daughter.
他是一名农民，种植苹果、樱桃、桃子，有一个家庭，还有一个年幼的女儿。
He hasn't lived in Genola since that summer.
自那年夏天以来，他就没有住在热诺拉了。
But now and then-- this just happened at a farm stand a month ago-- he runs into people who say to him, aren't you the guy who almost cut off his arm in that pageant?
但有时——一个月前就发生在一个农场摊位上——他会遇到一些人对他说，你不是那个在选美比赛中差点砍断手臂的人吗？
That's what they know him for.
这就是他们认识他的原因。
Well, in the town of Genola, that's my badge to wear.
嗯，在杰诺拉镇，这是我要佩戴的徽章。
Yeah.
是的。
Jordan Riley They know me as the guy who did the Mr. Genola pageant.
乔丹·莱利 他们知道我是参加 Genola 先生选美比赛的人。
It's been over a decade, and he still doesn't ever watch this video.
十几年过去了，他仍然没有看过这个视频。
Too soon.
太快了。
Still makes him wince.
仍然让他皱眉。
I asked him when he will be able to watch this and not wince, and he said he thinks it pretty much always will be too soon for this one.
我问他什么时候才能看到这一幕而不畏缩，他说他认为对于这一幕来说总是太早了。
Yeah.
是的。
Like I said, this was not the proudest story.
就像我说的，这不是最值得骄傲的故事。
And just seeing us at that time, in those teenage-- it's just painful to watch.
看到那时的我们，在那些青少年身上——看着真是痛苦。
I'm not a fan of that guy.
我不是那个人的粉丝。
Today on our radio program-- "Too Soon." Sometimes it will always be too soon.
今天我们的广播节目——“太快了”。有时总是太早了。
But sometimes, you can imagine a world where the thing that you're remembering really will become much less of a big deal, and you'll be able to think about it without cringing.
但有时，你可以想象一个世界，在这个世界里，你所记住的事情实际上会变得不那么重要，你将能够毫不畏缩地思考它。
If you're lucky, maybe it'll even start to seem funny.
如果你幸运的话，也许它甚至会开始显得很有趣。
We have two stories for you today.
今天我们给大家讲两个故事。
In each of them, there's a piece of video that is capturing a moment.
每个视频中都有一个捕捉瞬间的视频。
And in each of them, the past crashes against the present in this way that is really kind of mesmerizing.
在每一个作品中，过去与现在的碰撞都令人着迷。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
So Jordan's story was about a prank gone wrong.
所以乔丹的故事是关于一个出了差错的恶作剧。
And you say this next story is like that, too.
你说下一个故事也是这样。
Except, in this next story, it is not just one prank.
不过，在下一个故事中，这不仅仅是一个恶作剧。
And "wrong" does not capture the sheer wrongness of what you're about to hear.
而且“错误”并不代表你将要听到的内容完全错误。
Nancy Updike tells the story.
南希·厄普代克讲述了这个故事。
And I should say, before we start-- if you're listening to this on our podcast or online, we have unbeeped some curse words in the internet version of this story.
我应该说，在我们开始之前 - 如果您在我们的播客或在线上收听此内容，我们已经在这个故事的互联网版本中取消了一些咒语。
If you want to listen with your kids in the car, or you just don't like curse words, there's a beeped version available at our website, thisamericanlife.org.
如果您想在车里和孩子一起听，或者您只是不喜欢脏话，我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org 上有一个嘟嘟声版本。
OK.
好的。
Here's Nancy.
这是南希。
Harmon Leon is a writer and comedian whose cocktail party story about "the weirdest gig I ever did" is a more weird, by a lot, than anyone else's that I've heard.
哈蒙·莱昂是一位作家和喜剧演员，他在鸡尾酒会上讲述的“我做过的最奇怪的演出”的故事比我听过的其他人的故事都要奇怪得多。
He answered an ad for a job several years ago that called for a comedian who would be the hilarious sidekick to a celebrity on a new, hidden camera prank TV show.
几年前，他接到了一则招聘广告，招聘一名喜剧演员，在一个新的隐藏摄像头恶作剧电视节目中担任一位名人的搞笑搭档。
It was on the Los Angeles Craigslist ad.
这是洛杉矶 Craigslist 的广告。
And I'm thinking, oh, it's a celebrity hidden camera show.
我在想，哦，这是一场名人隐藏摄像机表演。
I've done a bunch of prank stuff.
我做了很多恶作剧。
So I sent him my prank reel.
所以我给他发了我的恶作剧卷轴。
I got the job, and they said they couldn't disclose who the celebrity was.
我得到了这份工作，他们说不能透露名人是谁。
Harmon rolled his eyes.
哈蒙翻了个白眼。
Harmon Leon Well, just people say that as like, oh, when we tell you who the celebrity is, you're not going to believe it.
Harmon Leon 嗯，只是人们这么说，哦，当我们告诉你名人是谁时，你不会相信。
You're not going to believe it.
你不会相信的。
And your mind just goes, you know, you're jaded--
你的想法就是，你知道，你已经厌倦了——
Eh, I'll probably believe it, you think.
呃，你想我可能会相信。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
It's like, is it like the other Hilton sister?
就像，像希尔顿的另一个姐妹吗？
Or is it Vanilla Ice?
或者是香草冰？
My bar was so low to what it actually turned out to be.
我的标准与实际结果相比太低了。
Yeah.
是的。
Harmon Leon And they go, OK, are you ready?
Harmon Leon 他们说，好吧，你准备好了吗？
Are you ready?
你准备好了吗？
Because it's O.J.
因为这是 O.J.
Simpson.
辛普森。
A prank show with O.J.
与 O.J. 的恶作剧节目
Simpson.
辛普森。
Harmon thought, that's a terrible idea for a TV show, and I'm definitely taking this job.
哈蒙想，这对于电视节目来说是一个糟糕的主意，我肯定会接受这份工作。
So the shooting was in a week.
所以拍摄是在一周内。
So I drove down from San Francisco to LA.
所以我开车从旧金山到洛杉矶。
I get out of my car.
我下了车。
I go to the production office.
我去生产办公室。
And the first thing the producer says to me-- "you know, Harmon, we really can't mention the murders."
制片人对我说的第一句话是——“你知道，哈蒙，我们真的不能提及谋杀案。”
OK.
好的。
Anyone over 30, please bear with me for a minute.
30岁以上的人，请耐心听我一分钟。
And for the under 30s, here's the O.J.
对于 30 岁以下的人来说，这是 O.J.
Simpson recap.
辛普森回顾。
Handsome, charming, famous football player, Heisman Trophy winner whose nickname was "Juice." After he retired, became even more famous doing commercials, Monday Night Football , movies, TV shows, Saturday Night Live .
英俊、迷人、著名足球运动员、海斯曼奖杯获得者，绰号“果汁”。退役后，他因拍摄广告、《周一橄榄球之夜》、电影、电视节目、《周六夜现场》而变得更加出名。
And here's the part you probably do know, even if you think you know nothing.
这是您可能确实知道的部分，即使您认为自己一无所知。
In 1994, he was accused of killing his ex-wife, Nicole Simpson and another person, Ron Goldman.
1994年，他被指控杀害了前妻妮可·辛普森和另一个人罗恩·戈德曼。
You know that because he became a national obsession.
你知道这一点，因为他成为了全国的焦点。
95 million people, give or take, watched the live broadcast of his white Bronco driving the LA freeways with police cars chasing him.
无论多少，有 9500 万人观看了他的白色野马在洛杉矶高速公路上行驶、警车追赶的现场直播。
That was more than the Superbowl audience that year.
这比当年超级碗的观众还要多。
150 million watched the verdict in the trial where he was acquitted of the murders.
1.5 亿人观看了审判结果，他被无罪释放。
This prank show was being filmed about 10 years after that.
这部恶作剧节目是在大约十年后拍摄的。
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson had been mostly out of the public eye for those years.
这些年来，辛普森基本上淡出了公众的视线。
Most Americans at that time, 78%, believed he either probably or definitely killed his ex-wife and Ron Goldman.
当时大多数美国人（78％）认为他可能或肯定杀了他的前妻和罗恩·戈德曼。
He lost a civil suit that had found them liable for the deaths.
他输掉了一场民事诉讼，裁定他们对死亡负责。
And so--
所以——
This would be the next step in his career-- doing a zany, hidden camera prank show entitled Juiced.
这将是他职业生涯的下一步——制作一个滑稽的、隐藏摄像头的恶作剧节目，名为《Juiced》。
Incredibly, this exists.
令人难以置信的是，这种情况确实存在。
It was a one-time special on Pay Per View.
这是按次付费的一次性特别节目。
Just one episode, about an hour long.
只有一集，一个小时左右。
And I've got the DVD on my desk right now.
现在我的桌子上就放着这张 DVD。
Here's the description on the cover.
这是封面上的描述。
Quote, "witness O.J.
引用：“见证 O.J.
Simpson performing hilarious practical jokes and shocking hidden camera stunts on unsuspecting real life people all across America.
辛普森向全美国毫无戒心的现实生活中的人们表演搞笑的恶作剧和令人震惊的隐藏摄像机特技。
No one is safe, because the juice is loose again."
没有人是安全的，因为果汁又流失了。”
My first question when I saw it was, why does this exist?
当我看到它时，我的第一个问题是，为什么会存在这个？
Which is a dumb question.
这是一个愚蠢的问题。
Reality shows exist because they're cheap to make and people watch them.
真人秀之所以存在，是因为它们制作成本低廉，而且人们观看它们。
Maybe a better question is, why isn't this hidden camera prank show from 2006 as well known and scrutinized as every other part of O.J.
也许更好的问题是，为什么这部 2006 年的隐藏摄像机恶作剧节目没有像《O.J.》的其他部分那样广为人知并受到严格审查。
Simpson's public life?
辛普森的公共生活？
I'm here to say, I think it's worth a look.
我在这里想说的是，我认为值得一看。
Here's a show that was never meant to be taken seriously.
这是一场从未被认真对待的演出。
And because of that, we get these strange, revealing glimpses of O.J.
正因为如此，我们才得以瞥见 O.J.
Goofing around in front of the camera, chatting with strangers, riffing.
在镜头前闲逛，与陌生人聊天，即兴发挥。
It's an hour with him unlike any hour you've ever seen.
和他在一起的一个小时是你从未见过的。
I also think it might be the most mystifying celebrity comeback vehicle ever made.
我还认为这可能是有史以来最神秘的名人复出车辆。
The show is a whole bunch of short prank scenarios, one after another, in different locations-- fast food place, golf course, bingo parlor.
该节目是一系列简短的恶作剧场景，一个接一个，发生在不同的地点——快餐店、高尔夫球场、宾果游戏室。
Sometimes O.J.
有时，O.J.
is in disguise.
是伪装的。
Sometimes he's not.
有时他不是。
The idea was O.J.
这个想法是 O.J.
Would be someplace doing something, and Harmon's job was to help piss off the people around him.
会在某个地方做点什么，而哈蒙的工作就是帮助惹恼他周围的人。
Or in prank show lingo--
或者用恶作剧行话来说——
Try to elevate the action.
尝试提升动作。
Nancy Updike Exactly.
南希·厄普代克 没错。
For instance, on a golf course.
例如，在高尔夫球场上。
So the gag was O.J.
所以笑料就是 O.J.
Will keep golfing with his friends.
会继续和他的朋友们一起打高尔夫球。
And then I run on the golf course with a video camera pretending I'm paparazzi trying to film O.J.
然后我拿着摄像机在高尔夫球场上奔跑，假装自己是狗仔队，试图拍摄 O.J.
There was no script.
没有剧本。
Also, sometimes, not even a road map.
而且，有时甚至没有路线图。
Sometimes the producer would jump into the scene himself to elevate the action even more.
有时制片人会亲自跳入场景以进一步提升动作效果。
Or, mercifully, to help conclude it, like at the golf course.
或者，幸运的是，帮助结束它，就像在高尔夫球场一样。
That just ended with me and the producer of Juiced rolling around on the golf course wrestling.
就这样，我和《Juiced》的制片人在高尔夫球场上摔跤。
Because we didn't know how to end it.
因为我们不知道如何结束它。
Here's the thing.
事情是这样的。
Pranks might be a misleadingly precise term for what happens in the show.
对于节目中发生的事情，恶作剧可能是一个具有误导性的精确术语。
It's more like low-level harassment of random civilians.
这更像是对随机平民的低级骚扰。
And also, O.J.
还有，O.J.
Simpson is here!
辛普森来了！
Let me walk you through one prank to show you how it goes.
让我带您经历一个恶作剧，看看它是如何进行的。
This one starts, like all of them do, with O.J.
和所有人一样，这一期的开头是 O.J.
Simpson just dressed as himself, sitting in a chair, explaining the idea for the upcoming scene.
辛普森只是打扮成自己，坐在椅子上，解释即将到来的场景的想法。
Set up a situation at an open house.
在开放日设置一个情境。
I was visiting the house, looking for a house with my alleged girlfriend.
我当时正在参观这所房子，想和我所谓的女朋友一起寻找房子。
Then Harmon jumps in to explain his role in the scene.
然后哈蒙介入解释他在场景中的角色。
I played disgruntled house owner.
我扮演心怀不满的房主。
And then I played a party guy.
然后我扮演了一个派对狂。
And then the prank starts.
然后恶作剧就开始了。
The scene for this prank, like O.J.
这个恶作剧的场景，就像 O.J.
said, is an open house.
说是开放日。
There's a realtor.
有一个房地产经纪人。
She's in on the prank.
她参与了恶作剧。
Hi.
你好。
Come on in.
进来吧。
Nancy Updike Tall, long blonde hair, strapless top.
南希·厄普代克身材高挑，金色长发，无肩带上衣。
It's all very Southern California.
这一切都非常南加州。
And she's showing it to people, including a couple named Kristie and O.J.
她正在向人们展示它，其中包括一对名叫 Kristie 和 O.J. 的夫妇。
It's O.J.
是 O.J.
Simpson.
辛普森。
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson [INAUDIBLE]
辛普森 [听不清]
I was getting ready to say, he looks just like O.J.
我正准备说，他看起来就像 O.J.
Simpson.
辛普森。
Another woman and a man who are also looking at the house recognize O.J.
另一名女子和一名男子也在看房子，他们认出了 O.J.
right away, and they shake his hand warmly.
他们立即热情地握着他的手。
They're surprised that he's there, but not weirded out.
他们对他的存在感到惊讶，但并不感到奇怪。
And then they all keep looking at the house.
然后他们都继续看着房子。
Then the realtor who, again, is part of the prank, knocks over a vase--
然后，再次参与恶作剧的房地产经纪人打翻了一个花瓶——
[VASE SHATTERING] Realtor --and blames one of the people looking at the house.
[花瓶破碎]房地产经纪人——并责怪其中一位看房子的人。
He broke it.
他打破了它。
Nancy Updike Then Harmon, playing the homeowner, comes out and gets angry.
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）随后扮演房主的哈蒙（Harmon）出来并生气了。
Why are you coming into my house and breaking my things?
你为什么闯入我家，破坏我的东西？
I'm sorry.
对不起。
Gary-- Nancy Updike Then there's an argument, or an attempt at one.
加里——南希·厄普代克 然后有一场争论，或者一场争论的尝试。
But a lot of people are just more patient and reasonable than you think they're going to be, so it doesn't go anywhere.
但很多人只是比你想象的更有耐心和理性，所以它不会有任何结果。
She broke it accidentally, and people have accidents, and you need to calm down.
她不小心弄坏了，人也有意外，你需要冷静。
I work with this Realtor, and she doesn't lie to me.
我和这位房地产经纪人一起工作，她不会对我撒谎。
Then the camera cuts to a topless woman.
然后镜头切到一个赤裸上身的女人。
Who is topless, outside, jumping on a trampoline.
谁赤裸上身，在外面，在蹦床上跳跃。
Which the Realtor works into the sell.
房地产经纪人参与销售。
The backyard is fabulous for entertaining.
后院非常适合娱乐。
Geez.
天啊。
Well, it's looking rather entertaining to me.
嗯，对我来说这看起来很有趣。
Then the topless woman enters the house, swishes her way through everyone.
然后，赤裸上身的女人走进屋子，从每个人中间穿过。
There's a quick cut to her running through the house, in slow motion.
她在房子里奔跑的镜头很快就变成了慢动作。
Then another broken vase--
然后又一个破花瓶——
[VASE SHATTERING] O.J.
[花瓶破碎] O.J.
Simpson Oh, Jesus!
辛普森 噢，天啊！
--another accusation, another vase.
——另一项指控，另一项花瓶。
Then the guy who's in on the prank throws up.
然后参与恶作剧的那个人就吐了。
[VOMITING] O.J.
[呕吐] O.J.
Simpson Oh, Jesus man.
辛普森哦，天哪。
[INAUDIBLE] come on.
[听不清]来吧。
Jesus, man.
天哪，伙计。
If this makes no sense to you, you're following it perfectly.
如果这对您来说毫无意义，那么您就完全遵循了它。
I've shown this prank to a lot of people.
我已经向很多人展示过这个恶作剧。
And every time, they look at me helplessly, like, what's going on here?
每次，他们都会无助地看着我，就像，这是怎么回事？
Who's even getting pranked?
谁还被恶作剧？
There are interesting moments in the scene, when a few people looking at the house notice O.J.
场景中有一些有趣的时刻，几个人看着房子注意到 O.J.
and react to him.
并对他做出反应。
One couple is signing in at the kitchen counter, and the woman whispers to the man.
一对夫妇正在厨房柜台签到，女人对男人低声说话。
It's so quiet they had to put subtitles on the screen.
太安静了，他们不得不在屏幕上加上字幕。
She whispers, "O.J.
她低声说道：“O.J.
Simpson just came in." Then she says, "did you hear me?
辛普森刚刚进来。”然后她说：“你听到我说话了吗？
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson is right behind you." The guy with her glances over, and then they just keep looking around.
辛普森就在你身后。”和她一起的那个人看了一眼，然后他们就继续环顾四周。
Another guy did a double take when he saw O.J.
另一个人看到 O.J. 时，吃了一惊。
And then went back to signing in.
然后又回去签到了。
Like, be cool, celebrity nearby, who is O.J.
就像，要酷，附近的名人，谁是 O.J.
Simpson.
辛普森。
But a lot of people seem oblivious.
但很多人似乎都忽视了。
It's just one more freaky open house with a topless women on a trampoline and a lot of broken vases.
这只是又一个怪异的开放日，里面有一个赤裸上身的女人坐在蹦床上，还有很多破碎的花瓶。
Until finally, O.J.
直到最后，O.J.
steps in with the catch phrase.
用流行语介入。
You've been juiced.
你已经被榨汁了。
I'm O.J.
我是 O.J.
Simpson.
辛普森。
There's a camera.
有一台相机。
It just didn't have any payoff of anything.
它只是没有任何回报。
It was just like all set on the whole premise of, something happens and O.J.
就像一切都建立在这样的前提下，发生了一些事情，O.J.
Simpson.
辛普森。
They didn't think it out further than that.
他们没有想得更远。
And every gag was just based on that premise.
而每一个笑话都是基于这个前提。
For real.
真正的。
Harmon Leon I know.
哈蒙·莱昂我知道。
But yet, in the producers' mind, they were like, oh, this is great.
但在制片人看来，他们会想，哦，这太棒了。
They kind of got into it.
他们有点陷入其中。
Harmon Leon Yeah, yeah, yeah.
哈蒙·莱昂 是啊，是啊，是啊。
So other people on the set, they thought, oh, this is going well.
所以片场的其他人就想，哦，一切进展顺利。
This is funny.
这很有趣。
I told Harmon that I figured, as I was watching the show, that the producers had just edited out any moments where people got annoyed or uncomfortable when they got juiced, or pulled away when O.J.
我告诉哈蒙，当我观看节目时，我认为制片人刚刚删除了人们在被榨汁时感到恼火或不舒服的任何时刻，或者当 O.J.
went to hug them, or recoiled.
去拥抱他们，或者退缩。
And I was completely wrong about that.
我的想法是完全错误的。
Harmon told me that during the two weeks of filming, as far as he could remember, no one reacted that way.
哈蒙告诉我，在拍摄的两周内，据他记忆，没有人有这样的反应。
Other people on the set told me the same thing.
片场的其他人也告诉了我同样的事情。
There were no moments like that to cut out.
没有这样的时刻可以删掉。
I thought, oh, man, there's going to be like just outraged people, or people freaking out.
我想，哦，伙计，会有人愤怒，或者惊慌失措。
And that was actually the most mind numbing part about the two-week production, was that people just were actually thrilled when they find out they'd been juiced by O.J.
这实际上是为期两周的制作中最令人麻木的部分，当人们发现自己被 O.J. 榨汁时，他们真的很兴奋。
You know, like we were in Las Vegas filming, and people would just swarm in off the streets to get photos with O.J.
你知道，就像我们在拉斯维加斯拍摄时，人们会涌入街道与 O.J. 合影。
Like mothers and daughters requesting photos.
就像母亲和女儿索要照片一样。
This kid, he started rapping for O.J.
这个孩子，他开始为 O.J. 说唱。
And then he high fives his friend, and he goes, I just rapped for O.J., man.
然后他和他的朋友击掌，然后他说，我刚刚为 O.J. 说唱，伙计。
That's as big as it gets!
就这么大了！
And it was like, they would just be laughing.
就像，他们只是在笑。
It was like, whoa-o-o.
就像，哇哦。
Hope he doesn't kill anyone while we're here!
希望我们在这里的时候他不会杀人！
Ha ha ha.
哈哈哈。
I would hear people off to the side saying that, but they wouldn't say it like angry.
我会听到旁边的人这么说，但他们不会像生气一样说。
They would say it like, oh, he's just funny O.J.
他们会说，哦，他只是个有趣的 O.J.
who-- he just like became like-- he's like this funny cartoon character.
他就像变成了这个有趣的卡通人物。
He's like the Santa Claus of murder.
他就像谋杀的圣诞老人。
Whatever charisma was working in person doesn't come across on the screen.
无论个人魅力如何，都不会在屏幕上表现出来。
In fact, let me step briefly outside Harmon's story of what it's like to make Juiced to talk more about what it's like to watch Juiced.
事实上，让我先简单地抛开哈蒙制作《果汁》的故事，来谈谈观看《果汁》的感受。
I've shown this now to so many people, and the sheer scope of the chaos in the show is disorienting.
我现在已经向很多人展示了这一点，节目中混乱的程度令人迷失方向。
Not just to me.
不只是对我来说。
Watching the show feels like being winked at from across the room by someone who may be flirting with you, or may be messing with you, or may just have a tic.
观看节目的感觉就像是有人从房间的另一边向你眨眼，他可能正在和你调情，或者可能正在逗你，或者可能只是抽搐。
It's not clear what to make of anything that's happening.
目前尚不清楚如何看待正在发生的事情。
In between the pranks in Juiced , there's a scene-changing package that includes, for some reason, a gunshot sound effect--
在 Juiced 的恶作剧之间，有一个场景转换包，由于某种原因，其中包括枪声效果 -
[GUN SHOTS] --whatever that's supposed to mean, or not mean.
[枪声]——无论这意味着什么，或者不意味着什么。
And 20 to 30 seconds of music, during which O.J.
还有 20 到 30 秒的音乐，在此期间 O.J.
is surrounded by strippers.
周围都是脱衣舞娘。
Sometimes he's rapping, dressed as a pimp-- big fuzzy black hat, zebra striped lapels.
有时他穿着皮条客的衣服说唱——戴着毛茸茸的黑色大帽子，翻领上有斑马条纹。
(RAPPING) A lot of people wonder about my intentions.
（说唱）很多人都想知道我的意图。
Why do people ask me so many questions about how I made it to the top, about all the times I made those people [INAUDIBLE].
为什么人们问我这么多问题，关于我如何登上顶峰，关于我每次让那些人[听不清]。
There's pole dancing.
有钢管舞。
They give him lap dances.
他们给他跳膝上舞。
And again, this scene is in between nearly every prank.
再说一遍，这个场景几乎出现在每个恶作剧之间。
And he's surrounded by dancing women who mostly have long, blond hair and don't not resemble his dead ex-wife.
他周围都是跳舞的女人，她们大多留着长长的金发，和他死去的前妻很像。
And he's mugging to the camera with that expression, like, how great is this?
他对着镜头做鬼脸，表情就像是，这有多棒？
But before you can decide what that means, if anything, besides just the demographics of who was available to shoot this scene, it's on to the next puzzling moment.
但在你决定这意味着什么（如果有的话）之前，除了可以拍摄这个场景的人口统计数据之外，还需要考虑下一个令人费解的时刻。
For instance, in the open house prank.
例如，在开放日恶作剧中。
At one point, Harmon, playing the angry homeowner whose house is being looked at, tries to blame O.J.
哈蒙（Harmon）扮演一位房子遭到检查的愤怒房主，有一次试图将责任归咎于 O.J.
for breaking one of the vases.
因为打破了其中一个花瓶。
Did you do this?
你这样做了吗？
Can you just pay for my vase, please?
请你付我花瓶的钱好吗？
Can you just pay for my vase?
你能付我花瓶的钱吗？
Sir, I wasn't around.
先生，我不在。
I get blamed for nothing else.
我没有因为其他事情而受到指责。
All right, in my life, I've been blamed for enough shit.
好吧，在我的一生中，我已经被指责得够多了。
[VASE SHATTERING] Nancy Updike When O.J.
[花瓶破碎] 南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike)
Says, "I've been blamed for enough shit," he sounds genuinely angry.
他说：“我已经被指责得够多了，”他听起来真的很生气。
Which means, I think, he's mad at being fake blamed for breaking a vase in a prank, because it reminds him that he was on trial for murder 10 years ago.
我想，这意味着他因为恶作剧中打碎花瓶而被假冒指责而生气，因为这让他想起十年前他因谋杀罪而受审。
There's a prank where O.J.
O.J. 有一个恶作剧。
pretends to be having an affair with another man's wife, and the man gets really angry.
假装与另一个男人的妻子有染，这个男人非常生气。
There's a prank where O.J.
O.J. 有一个恶作剧。
plays himself, but a homeless version of himself, selling bags of oranges by the side of the road.
扮演他自己，不过是无家可归的自己，在路边卖一袋袋橘子。
Is that an edgy comment on his fallen status, or just another, look at what this celebrity is willing to do on our reality show moment?
这是对他堕落地位的尖锐评论，还是只是另一个，看看这位名人愿意在我们的真人秀时刻做什么？
No time to think.
没有时间思考。
The show plows onward to smaller moments of just raw unlikableness.
这部剧继续发展到一些不讨人喜欢的小时刻。
In one prank, O.J.
在一次恶作剧中，O.J.
is dressed as an employee of a fast food place, and he's working the drive-through window.
他打扮成一家快餐店的员工，正在免下车窗口工作。
A woman pulls up in her 40s, maybe early 50s.
一个女人在 40 多岁，也许 50 岁出头的时候停下来。
You sure you want those large fries?
你确定想要那些大薯条吗？
You know what they're saying about fast food making you fat.
你知道他们怎么说快餐会让你发胖。
The women who's ordering is overweight, so that's the joke.
点菜的女人都超重了，所以这是个笑话。
She's fat.
她很胖。
She's ordering fries.
她正在点薯条。
In Juiced , O.J.
在《果汁》中，O.J.
has plunged himself into reality TV, a genre that has no allegiance to the idea that the star has to come out looking good.
他一头扎进了电视真人秀节目中，这种类型并不提倡明星必须看起来很漂亮。
But there's something off about this show that goes beyond that.
但这个节目还有一些不寻常的地方超出了这一点。
For all the frenzy on the screen, all the invitations to gawk, or be titillated, or outraged, or just shake your head in wonder, mostly it felt empty.
尽管屏幕上充满了疯狂，所有的邀请都让人呆呆，或者兴奋，或者愤怒，或者只是惊讶地摇头，但大多数时候都感觉空虚。
It's tiring to watch, strangely tiring.
看着很累，奇怪的累。
When I talked to Harmon, he said that during the filming, there were moments unlike any other reality show he'd worked on, unsurprisingly.
当我与哈蒙交谈时，他说在拍摄过程中，有些时刻与他参与过的任何其他真人秀节目不同，这并不奇怪。
For starters, as far as he could tell, everyone had been told the same thing he had-- don't bring up the murders or anything related to them.
首先，据他所知，每个人都被告知和他一样的事情——不要提起谋杀案或与之相关的任何事情。
And no one did, except O.J.
除了 O.J. 之外，没有人这么做。
Before one prank, O.J.
在一场恶作剧之前，O.J.
was being made up to look like an 81-year-old white man.
被化妆成81岁的白人。
The makeup took three hours to apply.
化完妆花了三个小时。
While he's getting the makeup applied, he has the TV turned to Court TV.
当他化妆的时候，他把电视调到法庭电视台。
You know, and I was like, don't mention O.J., Court TV.
你知道，我当时想，别提 O.J.，法庭电视台。
Don't mention O.J.
别提O.J.
He's saying this to the TV?
他对着电视说这个？
Harmon Leon No, no. I'm saying this to myself.
哈蒙·莱昂 不，不。我对自己这么说。
Like, oh Court TV, please don't mention O.J.
就像，哦法庭电视台，请不要提及 O.J.
Because I don't know how he would react.
因为我不知道他会作何反应。
But he was actually just like-- he kind of wanted them to mention him.
但他实际上就像——他有点希望他们提到他。
He was like, how are they going to work me into this, you know?
他说，他们要如何让我参与其中，你知道吗？
You know, during my trial, my lawyers watched my back.
你知道，在我受审期间，我的律师一直在注视着我。
You know?
你知道？
So he would-- OK.
所以他会——好吧。
So it was sort of reminiscing.
所以这有点让人怀念。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
Nancy Updike While the women are putting the makeup on him.
南希·厄普代克 当女人们正在给他化妆时。
Yep.
是的。
He said he really liked watching Court TV.
他说他非常喜欢看法庭电视。
Again, when he was getting the makeup applied, he would actually tell O.J.
再说一次，当他化妆时，他实际上会告诉 O.J.
jokes.
笑话。
So we had the pleasure of hearing like O.J.
所以我们很高兴听到 O.J.
Jokes from O.J.
O.J. 的笑话
himself.
他自己。
What's an O.J.
什么是 O.J.
joke?
开玩笑？
Harmon Leon He actually said this.
哈蒙·莱昂 他确实说过这句话。
He goes, who's the first Jewish guy to get a Heisman Trophy?
他问道，谁是第一个获得海斯曼奖杯的犹太人？
Fred Goldman, because he's got mine.
弗雷德·戈德曼，因为他有我的。
Because the Goldmans brought a civil suit against him that--
因为高盛对他提起民事诉讼——
Yeah, and took his-- Nancy Updike Money.
是的，还拿走了他的——南希·厄普代克的钱。
Heisman.
海斯曼。
And so, you know, everyone just kind of uncomfortably just shifted around and looked at their shoes and contemplated career choices.
所以，你知道，每个人都有点不舒服地四处走动，看看自己的鞋子，思考职业选择。
The cinematographer of Juiced , Luc Nicknair, told me there was a split in the crew.
《果汁》的电影摄影师吕克·尼克奈尔告诉我，剧组人员存在分歧。
Some people thought, look, this man was a great athlete and a big star.
有些人认为，看，这个人是一位伟大的运动员和大明星。
And he was acquitted.
他被无罪释放。
And that's that, and that's how I see this.
就是这样，这就是我的看法。
And others who thought, yeah, he was acquitted, but I still have other thoughts about what may have happened.
还有其他人认为，是的，他被无罪释放了，但我对可能发生的事情仍有其他想法。
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Luc Nicknair Yeah.
吕克·尼克奈尔 是的。
There are definitely two schools of thought.
肯定有两种思想流派。
He talked about it privately.
他私下里谈过这件事。
Actually, at the end of the shoot, this was the really messed up thing.
事实上，在拍摄结束时，这才是真正混乱的事情。
They decided to shoot interviews with everyone of the crew about our experiences.
他们决定对每个剧组成员进行采访，了解我们的经历。
And then, at the end of the interview, they would say, guilty or not guilty?
然后，在采访结束时，他们会说，有罪还是无罪？
Oh my God.
我的天啊。
Luc Nicknair That did not get on the DVD.
Luc Nicknair 那句话没有出现在 DVD 上。
None of that got on the DVD.
这些都没有出现在 DVD 上。
And what was-- Luc Nicknair I'm on camera myself.
Luc Nicknair 我自己也在镜头前。
I didn't know what to think.
我不知道该怎么想。
That's why I did the job.
这就是我完成这项工作的原因。
You know, I secretly want to know.
你知道吗，我偷偷地想知道。
It's like-- and here I was going to be given an opportunity to go and shoot this deranged project, and I decided to do the gig.
就像——在这里我将有机会去拍摄这个疯狂的项目，我决定参加演出。
I mean, I thought about that when I was involved with it.
我的意思是，当我参与其中时我就想到了这一点。
I thought about that.
我想到了这一点。
It's like, people are going to study this project.
就像人们要研究这个项目一样。
And all of a sudden, you called me 10 years later.
十年后，你突然给我打电话。
[LAUGHS] You know?
[笑]你知道吗？
Harmon, and Luc also, said Las Vegas, where they did the second week of shooting, is where things really turned sour and dark.
哈蒙和卢克也表示，他们在拉斯维加斯进行了第二周的拍摄，那里的情况确实变得糟糕和黑暗。
They just seemed to sort of give up on ideas.
他们似乎只是放弃了想法。
And O.J.
还有 O.J.
just got less and less interested in it.
只是对它越来越不感兴趣。
He didn't show up.
他没有出现。
And then we showed up, he was just like really drunk.
然后我们出现了，他就像喝醉了一样。
Like O.J.
就像 O.J.
was supposed to play a wacky motel clerk.
本来应该扮演一个古怪的汽车旅馆职员。
You know?
你知道？
Like look out, here comes wacky motel clerk O.J.!
请注意，古怪的汽车旅馆店员 O.J. 来了！
You know, that's the premise of that gag.
你知道，这就是那个笑话的前提。
But he was just like completely drunk, and that was the first time they just sort of propped him up in the corner, like on a stool, and just let him be sort of near the pranks.
但他就像喝醉了一样，那是他们第一次把他放在角落里，比如凳子上，让他靠近恶作剧。
Harmon said he, Harmon, ended up playing the wacky motel clerk.
哈蒙说，他，哈蒙，最终扮演了古怪的汽车旅馆职员。
And sometimes, he even had to be the one to tell people, you've been juiced!
有时，他甚至必须告诉人们，你已经被榨干了！
Whatever that means, when the person doing it is not O.J.
不管这意味着什么，当做这件事的人不是 O.J.
Simpson.
辛普森。
After I juice a couple, O.J.'s in the corner, drunk.
我喝了几杯果汁后，O.J. 就在角落里喝醉了。
And he would lean into the couple, go, hey, I'm O.J.
他会靠向这对夫妇，说，嘿，我是 O.J.
Hey, do you recognize me?
嘿，你认得我吗？
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson's lawyer, who handles media requests, didn't respond to my emails and phone calls about Juiced.
辛普森的律师负责处理媒体请求，但没有回复我有关 Juiced 的电子邮件和电话。
I did reach the executive producer of Juiced, Rick Mahr.
我确实联系到了《果汁》的执行制片人里克·马尔。
We talked on the phone-- after months of unanswered voicemails, texts, and emails from us, then, out of the blue, a legal document from him, just a little heads up.
我们通了电话——几个月来我们的语音邮件、短信和电子邮件都没有得到回复，然后，突然间，他发来了一份法律文件，只是需要一点提醒。
Then a series of very friendly but off the record conversations, mixed in with two taped interviews that he only agreed to if he could approve every quote.
然后是一系列非常友好但不公开的对话，其中夹杂着两次录音采访，只有在他能批准每一条引述的情况下，他才同意接受采访。
So here's what he approved.
这就是他所批准的。
He said, "I had it all wrong when I called Juiced the worst celebrity comeback vehicle ever made."
他说：“当我称 Juiced 是有史以来最糟糕的名人复出工具时，我完全错了。”
It was never meant to be a comeback vehicle for O.J.
它从来都不是 O.J. 复出的工具。
or try to turn him into a mainstream star again.
或者尝试让他再次成为主流明星。
We were tasked with creating a reality show that cut through the clutter, that everybody would be talking about, really during an era when there was a reality TV boom, and there was a lot of one upsmanship in the marketplace.
我们的任务是制作一档真人秀节目，打破混乱，让每个人都在谈论，确实是在真人秀电视热潮的时代，市场上有很多高人一等的人。
He said the goal was just to let the cameras run, whether O.J.
他说我们的目标只是让摄像机运转起来，无论 O.J.
looked good or not.
看起来好不好。
He said the show being a pile on of one thing after another that may or may not make sense-- the blond strippers, the dead-end pranks, the weird little verite moments-- that's not a fumble.
他说这部剧是一堆可能有意义也可能没有意义的事情——金发脱衣舞娘、死胡同的恶作剧、奇怪的小真实时刻——这不是一个笨拙。
It's exactly what they were going for.
这正是他们想要的。
Their business model was get people talking, so pile it on.
他们的商业模式是让人们谈论，所以要不断地进行。
He said, look, this wasn't designed to win Emmys.
他说，看，这不是为了赢得艾美奖而设计的。
It's supposed to be a nonstop barrage of craziness.
这应该是一场不间断的疯狂攻势。
You know, I'd be the first to say it.
你知道，我会是第一个这么说的。
It's not everybody's-- it's not everybody's cup of tea.
这不是每个人的——这不是每个人都喜欢的。
Nielson, the ratings organization, told me the Juiced DVD sold fewer than 100 copies, one of which I own.
评级机构尼尔森告诉我，Juiced DVD 的销量不到 100 张，其中一张是我自己的。
Rick told me, yeah.
里克告诉我，是的。
He buried the project on purpose.
他故意埋葬了这个项目。
We had the blinders on to make one crazy reality TV show.
我们蒙蔽了双眼，准备制作一部疯狂的真人秀节目。
After we did it-- and I think we did that-- after we did it, there was a part of me that said, what the hell did we just do?
在我们做到了之后——我想我们做到了——在我们做到了之后，我内心的一部分说，我们到底做了什么？
Juiced was coming out around the same time that O.J.
Juiced 大约在 O.J. 的同一时间问世。
released a book called If I Did It .
出版了一本书，名为《如果我做到了》。
Huge outcry.
强烈抗议。
The woman who was publishing the book lost her job.
出版这本书的女士失业了。
A two-hour Fox special was canceled.
两小时的福克斯特别节目被取消。
And we pulled it.
我们把它拉了。
We pulled it from circulation.
我们将其从流通中撤回。
And it's been gathering dust until now.
直到现在它已经积满了灰尘。
Yeah.
是的。
You were surprised when I told you that I had a copy.
当我告诉你我有一份副本时，你很惊讶。
I was.
我是。
Nancy Updike Rick is now re-releasing the Juiced material with footage that's never been seen and an interview with O.J.
南希·厄普代克·瑞克 (Nancy Updike Rick) 现在重新发布《Juiced》的材料，其中包含从未公开过的镜头以及 O.J. 的采访。
From the time.
从那时起。
It's called O.J.
它的名字叫 O.J.
Un gloved , the Lost Tapes .
不戴手套，丢失的磁带。
He's got the domain name ojsimpson.com.
他拥有域名 ojsimpson.com。
Makes sense-- the 20th anniversary of the murder trial verdict is coming up this fall.
这是有道理的——今年秋天将是谋杀案审判判决 20 周年纪念日。
There's a multipart FX miniseries in the works.
一部多集 FX 迷你剧正在制作中。
Cuba Gooding Junior is playing O.J.
小库珀·古丁饰演 O.J.
They filmed the Bronco scene a few weeks ago.
几周前他们拍摄了野马场景。
Rick didn't want to say if Juiced was O.J.'s idea or not.
Rick 不想透露 Juiced 是否是 O.J. 的主意。
When I asked if O.J.
当我问 O.J.
was paid for it, he said, O.J.
他说，O.J.为此付出了代价。
did this because he wanted to do it.
这样做是因为他想这样做。
He said his understanding is that O.J.
他说他的理解是 O.J.
did see Juiced , every frame, and approved it before it went out.
确实看过《果汁》的每一帧，并在发布前批准了它。
When I asked Rick if O.J.
当我问里克 O.J.
had ever said, look, this is how I want to be portrayed in this show, Rick said the answers to what O.J.
曾经说过，看，这就是我想在这部剧中被描绘的样子，里克回答了 O.J.
wanted out of Juiced , or why he did it in the first place, are locked in O.J.'s head.
想要离开《Juiced》，或者他当初为什么这么做，都深藏在 O.J. 的脑海里。
All he, Rick, could say is how unworried O.J.
他，里克，只能说 O.J. 是多么无忧无虑。
seemed to him while they were filming, like anyway they put the footage together would be great, because it was O.J.
在他看来，当他们拍摄时，不管怎样，他们把镜头放在一起会很棒，因为这是 O.J.
I think history has shown that O.J.
我认为历史已经表明，O.J.
Simpson is his own boss.
辛普森是他自己的老板。
And O.J.
还有 O.J.
is going to do what O.J.
将会做O.J.
is going to do.
将会做。
[CHEERING] David Letterman [INAUDIBLE] O.J.
[欢呼] 大卫·莱特曼 [听不清] O.J.
Simpson is with us.
辛普森和我们在一起。
You ever had any trouble-- speeding tickets, that kind of thing-- O.J.?
你遇到过什么麻烦吗——超速罚单之类的——O.J.？
I don't know if I should say this.
我不知道我是否应该说这个。
I got stopped--
我被拦住了——
This is O.J.
这是 O.J.
on The Letterman Show in 1989, five years before Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman were found murdered.
1989 年，妮可·辛普森 (Nicole Simpson) 和罗恩·戈德曼 (Ron Goldman) 被发现被谋杀五年前，出现在莱特曼秀 (The Letterman Show) 上。
And I'm just playing it because, listen to how big his world was back then, how the audience loves everything he says.
我演奏它只是因为，听听他当时的世界有多大，观众多么喜欢他所说的一切。
And I decided that nobody else was on the road.
我决定路上没有其他人了。
And I was going like-- I think I got it up-- oh, you don't want to hear this, do you?
我当时想——我想我明白了——哦，你不想听这个，是吗？
I got it up pretty fast.
我很快就搞定了。
I got it up to about 170 miles an hour.
我把车速提高到每小时 170 英里。
Give me your license.
把你的执照给我。
Give me your license right now!
马上给我你的执照！
170?
170？
Well, and then, this car is really safer.
嗯，然后，这辆车确实更安全。
[INAUDIBLE]
[听不清]
It really is [INAUDIBLE] 100.
这确实是[听不清]100。
David Letterman You should have been with me this morning.
大卫·莱特曼 你今天早上应该和我在一起的。
I bet that, to a very famous person, losing the love of the general public feels the way aging can feel-- an unfair changing of the rules, too big to accept.
我敢打赌，对于一个非常有名的人来说，失去公众的爱就像衰老的感觉一样——一种不公平的规则改变，太大而难以接受。
And so maybe it's not that surprising that O.J.
因此，O.J. 或许也就不足为奇了。
put himself in a prank show 10 years after the trial, basically saying, remember me?
让自己在审判10年后参加一个恶作剧节目，基本上是在说，还记得我吗？
Still charming.
依然迷人。
Watching Juiced sometimes felt like seeing a beautiful older actress trying to reprise the exact role that had made her famous when she was younger, as though nothing has changed.
观看《Juiced》有时感觉就像看到一位美丽的年长女演员试图重现年轻时使她出名的角色，仿佛一切都没有改变。
Remember earlier I talked about Juiced feeling empty?
还记得之前我谈到 Juiced 感到空虚吗？
How the show keeps urging viewers to be scandalized and outraged, but mostly I just felt tired watching it?
这部剧如何不断地让观众感到震惊和愤怒，但大多数时候我只是觉得看腻了？
I think I figured out why while I was watching and rewatching this last scene I want to play for you, the most stunning one in Juiced.
我想我明白了为什么当我一遍又一遍地观看最后一个场景时，我想为你演奏，这是《Juiced》中最令人惊叹的一个。
It starts with O.J.
事情要从 O.J. 说起。
explaining the prank that's about to happen, which takes place at a used car lot.
解释即将发生的恶作剧，该恶作剧发生在二手车停车场。
I actually sold the worst used car ever.
我实际上卖掉了有史以来最糟糕的二手车。
And this was a Bronco, with a bullet hole in it, and seats with holes in it.
这是一辆野马，上面有弹孔，座位上也有弹孔。
Watch this.
注意这个。
Yes.
是的。
The Bronco.
野马。
O.J.
O.J.
Is posing as a used car salesman selling a white Bronco.
冒充二手车推销员出售一辆白色野马。
Not the white Bronco, just a white Bronco that, for some reason, has a bullet hole in the side.
不是白色的野马，只是一辆白色的野马，由于某种原因，侧面有一个弹孔。
And while they're filming, O.J.
当他们拍摄时，O.J.
signs his name right above the bullet hole.
在弹孔上方签下他的名字。
Now, this is a Bronco signed by O.J.
现在，这是一辆由 O.J. 签名的野马。
Simpson.
辛普森。
[LAUGHS] O.J.
[笑]O.J.
Simpson [INAUDIBLE] bullet hole in it.
辛普森[听不清]里面有弹孔。
Oh.
哦。
Nancy Updike The scene is a mishmash of people who seem to have no idea what's going on and others who bring up random parts of the Bronco story or the trial as they remember.
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）这个场景混杂着一些人，他们似乎不知道发生了什么事，而其他人则随机提出了野马故事或他们记忆中的审判的部分内容。
And O.J.
还有 O.J.
is just surfing all of it.
只是浏览所有内容。
Is there $10,000 in here?
这里有 10,000 美元吗？
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson Nope.
辛普森 不。
Nope.
没有。
No $10,000--
没有 10,000 美元——
[INAUDIBLE] you were carrying it, you know?
[听不清]你带着它，你知道吗？
Naw, naw.
不，不。
They say that.
他们这么说。
I was carrying about $3.
我带了大约3美元。
$3?
3 美元？
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson Yeah.
辛普森 是的。
That's why they never brought it up in court.
这就是为什么他们从未在法庭上提起此事。
A woman shows up to look at the Bronco, so there's some flirting.
一个女人出现来看野马，所以有一些调情。
Thank you.
谢谢。
I appreciate that.
我很欣赏这一点。
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson When you see a girl in a car like this--
辛普森 当你看到一个女孩像这样坐在车里时——
Yeah?
是吗？
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson --you say, her man ain't doing nothing for her.
辛普森——你说，她的男人没有为她做任何事。
[LAUGHS] O.J.
[笑]O.J.
Simpson You figure you got a chance, right?
辛普森 你认为你有机会，对吗？
And after a little of this, a little of that, O.J.
经过一点这个，一点那个，O.J.
Seems to settle down into his sales pitch for the Bronco.
似乎已经开始着手推销 Bronco 了。
Got me out of harm's way.
让我脱离了危险。
Man [INAUDIBLE] OK, I'll sit in it.
伙计[听不清]好吧，我坐进去。
[INAUDIBLE] there was a dead body in there.
[听不清] 那里有一具尸体。
Yeah.
是的。
Well, um, hopefully there's no bodies in this thing.
嗯，希望这东西里没有尸体。
And I can guarantee you, the car has escape-ability.
我可以向你保证，这辆车有逃生能力。
I mean, if you're ever getting into some trouble, and you've got to get away, it has escape-ability.
我的意思是，如果你遇到麻烦，而你必须逃脱，它就有逃脱能力。
[LAUGHS] O.J.
[笑]O.J.
Simpson A car that I personally made famous.
辛普森是我亲自打造的一辆车。
It has escape-ability.
具有逃生能力。
That's the main thing.
这是主要的事情。
And I know it.
我知道。
Boy, [INAUDIBLE] was driving this thing.
天哪，[听不清]正在驾驶这东西。
And if we wanted to get away, it was easy to get away.
如果我们想逃脱，也很容易逃脱。
It's interesting, because he did this thing with the Ford Bronco, which blew us away.
这很有趣，因为他用福特野马做了这件事，让我们大吃一惊。
This is Luc, the cinematographer, again.
这又是卢克，电影摄影师。
And signs it.
并签名。
Nancy Updike He keeps talking about how it has "great escape-ability."
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）他一直在谈论它如何具有“强大的逃生能力”。
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
And they milked it, didn't they?
他们还挤奶了，不是吗？
Did he ad-lib that?
他是即兴表演的吗？
Luc Nicknair Yes, he did.
吕克·尼克奈尔 是的，他做到了。
And so, I mean, all of the moments over the course of the show, and the different pranks where he's referring to other points in his life-- to the Hertz commercials and to his sports career, but also to the trial and to the murders--
所以，我的意思是，节目过程中的所有时刻，以及他提到生活中其他点的不同恶作剧——赫兹广告和他的体育生涯，还有审判和谋杀——
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Nancy Updike --was the idea, OK, you know, O.J., throw in a reference here?
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）——这个想法是，好吧，你知道，O.J.，在这里添加一个参考文献吗？
Or was he just supplying those himself?
或者他只是自己提供这些？
He was all on his own.
他只能靠自己了。
Nancy Updike He just was saying those things.
南希·厄普代克 他只是在说那些话。
That's all him.
这就是他的全部。
Oh my gosh, no. That's all him.
哦天哪，不。这就是他的全部。
Let's set aside the question of taste.
我们先把口味问题放在一边。
Because the whole scene is freakish on its face, but it's a lot more freakish when you sit it next to what actually happened in the Bronco, the real Bronco.
因为整个场景从表面上看很怪异，但当你把它放在野马身上实际发生的事情旁边，真正的野马时，它就更加怪异了。
Escape-ability?
逃生能力？
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson didn't escape anything in the white Bronco.
辛普森在白色野马车里没有逃脱任何东西。
The Bronco is what he stepped out of into police custody.
他从这辆野马车中走出，被警方拘留。
Got him out of harm's way?
让他脱离危险了吗？
While he was in the Bronco, he was suicidal.
当他在野马时，他有自杀倾向。
He had a gun to his head.
他的头被枪指着。
I want to play you a recording.
我想给你播放一段录音。
It's not so well known.
它并不那么出名。
It didn't become public until a year and a half after the trial.
直到审判后一年半才公开。
It's what O.J.
这就是 O.J.
Simpson was saying while he was in the Bronco.
辛普森在野马车里说道。
It's conversations between him and an LAPD detective named Tom Lange, who reached him on his cell phone.
这是他和洛杉矶警察局侦探汤姆·兰格之间的对话，汤姆·兰格通过手机联系了他。
O.J.
O.J.
didn't know he was being recorded.
不知道他正在被录音。
He's not performing for an audience.
他不是在为观众表演。
And a warning-- this is a suicidal person talking at length about wanting to kill himself.
还有一个警告——这是一个有自杀倾向的人在详细谈论想要自杀。
For me.
为我。
This is not to keep you guys away from me.
这并不是为了让你们远离我。
Nobody's going to hurt you.
没有人会伤害你。
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson This is for me.
辛普森 这是给我的。
OK.
好的。
It's for you.
这是给你的。
I know that.
我知道。
But think of your kids.
但想想你的孩子。
Yeah.
是的。
Tom Lange Please, just toss it out.
汤姆·兰格 拜托，把它扔掉吧。
You're scaring everybody, man.
你吓到了所有人，伙计。
I know you're not going to hurt anybody, but--
我知道你不会伤害任何人，但是——
I can't.
我不能。
Tom Lange You've got your whole family out here.
汤姆·兰格：你全家都在这儿。
I can't take this.
我不能接受这个。
Tom Lange They love you, man.
汤姆·兰格 他们爱你，伙计。
Don't throw this away.
不要扔掉这个。
Don't do this.
不要这样做。
Just throw it out the window.
把它扔出窗外就行了。
Uh-- Tom Lange And nobody's going to get hurt.
呃——汤姆·兰格 没有人会受伤。
No, you don't deserve that.
不，你不值得这样。
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson I'ma get hurt.
辛普森，我会受伤。
You do not deserve to get hurt.
你不应该受到伤害。
You do not deserve to get hurt.
你不应该受到伤害。
Don't do this.
不要这样做。
All I did was love Nicole That's all I did was love her.
我所做的就是爱妮可 我所做的就是爱她。
I understand.
我明白。
O.J.
O.J.
Simpson I love everybody.
辛普森，我爱每个人。
I tried to show everybody my whole life that I love everybody.
我一生都在努力向每个人展示我爱每个人。
We know that, and everybody loves you.
我们知道这一点，每个人都爱你。
Especially your family-- your mother, your kids.
尤其是你的家人——你的母亲，你的孩子。
I'm just going to leave.
我要离开了。
I'm just going to go with Nicole.
我要和妮可一起去。
That's all I'ma do.
这就是我要做的一切。
That's all I'm trying to do.
这就是我想做的一切。
Ugh.
啊。
I am so tired.
我好累。
Tom Lange I know.
汤姆·兰格我知道。
I know.
我知道。
This had to have been one of most terrifying, inconsolable moments of O.J.
这一定是 O.J. 最可怕、最伤心的时刻之一。
Simpson's life, as he makes clear with every word, every groan.
辛普森的一生，正如他的每一句话、每一次呻吟所表明的那样。
And watching Juiced , I kept looking for-- not even any specific emotion, but just any sign at all that this event had happened to him.
在观看《果汁》时，我一直在寻找——甚至不是任何特定的情感，而是任何迹象表明这件事发生在他身上。
That it affected him in some way.
这在某种程度上影响了他。
I didn't see one.
我没有看到一个。
Got me out of harm's way.
让我脱离了危险。
[LAUGHS] A car that I personally made famous!
[笑]我亲自打造的一辆出名的汽车！
[INAUDIBLE] was driving this thing.
[听不清]正在驾驶这件事。
And if we wanted to get away, it was easy to get away.
如果我们想逃脱，也很容易逃脱。
The way he's talking about the Bronco, there's no trace of what he experienced a decade before inside the Bronco, inside his own head.
从他谈论 Bronco 的方式来看，十年前他在 Bronco 内、在他自己的脑海中所经历的一切却没有任何痕迹。
Instead, he seems to be remembering it, he seems to be seeing it, the same way we remember seeing it-- on TV.
相反，他似乎正在记住它，他似乎正在看到它，就像我们记得在电视上看到它一样。
Looking at it from above on the highway, as it drove mile after mile.
在高速公路上从上方看它，它行驶了一英里又一英里。
The emptiness in Juiced ?
果汁中的空虚？
It's O.J.
是 O.J.
He's not there.
他不在那儿。
Nancy Updike is one of the producers of our show.
南希·厄普代克是我们节目的制片人之一。
Coming up, a video that shows up too soon.
即将推出，一个出现得太早的视频。
And then, it is no longer too soon.
然后，现在就不再太早了。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
This American Life from Ira Glass.
艾拉·格拉斯的《美国生活》。
Each week we've got a program, of course, which is a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然我们每周都会有一个节目，这是一个主题，给大家带来关于这个主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show-- "too soon."
今天的节目——“太快了”。
So my dad died about 10 years ago, very suddenly.
我父亲大约十年前去世了，非常突然。
And it was very terrible and shocking.
这是非常可怕和令人震惊的。
We were talking about this week's program around the office, and one of our producers, Zoe Chace, remembered this story.
我们在办公室讨论本周的节目，我们的一位制片人佐伊·切斯（Zoe Chace）记得这个故事。
It happened when she was right out of college, and she got the call.
这件事发生在她大学刚毕业的时候，她接到了电话。
Her dad, out of the blue, had a heart attack and died.
她的父亲突然心脏病发作去世了。
And her best friend, Rosa, came and got Zoe from Ohio, which is where she was living, and brought her back to New York City, where her family was.
她最好的朋友罗莎从她居住的俄亥俄州接来了佐伊，并将她带回了她家人所在的纽约市。
And it was awful.
这太糟糕了。
You know, it was just grim darkness.
你知道，那只是可怕的黑暗。
But then, somehow like the next day, Rosa was just pulling stuff out of the fridge to feed me with.
但后来，不知何故，就像第二天，罗莎只是从冰箱里拿出东西来喂我。
And she pulls out the butter dish, you know?
她拿出黄油盘，你知道吗？
A glass butter dish.
一个玻璃黄油盘。
And it just shatters all over the floor.
它只是碎得满地都是。
You mean she drops it.
你的意思是她把它扔掉了。
Zoe Chace She drops it.
佐伊·切斯 她把它扔掉了。
And I just look at her, and I'm like, that was my dad's.
我只是看着她，我就想，那是我爸爸的。
(LAUGHING) It was just-- I was like, horrified!
（笑）那只是——我当时觉得，吓坏了！
And my sister starts laughing, and I started laughing.
我姐姐开始笑，我也开始笑。
Because it's not my dad's.
因为这不是我爸爸的。
It's just like a crappy butter dish from IKEA.
这就像宜家的蹩脚黄油盘一样。
And it was the first-- I think it was the first joke I remember.
这是我记得的第一个笑话。
I remember it as the first joke of when my dad died.
我记得这是我父亲去世后的第一个笑话。
How many days?
几天？
Zoe Chace It was like a day.
佐伊·切斯 这就像一天一样。
It was like the day after.
就像第二天一样。
So the whole idea of-- you know the old saying, comedy equals tragedy plus time, there was no time at all.
所以整个想法——你知道那句老话，喜剧等于悲剧加时间，根本没有时间。
Not at all.
一点也不。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass There's a study where scientists actually tried to quantify exactly how much time has to pass after tragedy before comedy kicks in.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）有一项研究，科学家实际上试图量化悲剧发生后喜剧开始之前需要经过多长时间。
And although nothing is more tedious than people sitting around theorizing about what is funny, it's interesting to see somebody get super brass tacks about this and try to actually define this thing that our whole program is about today.
虽然没有什么比人们围坐在一起思考有趣的事情更乏味的了，但看到有人对此进行了超级大头针并尝试实际定义我们今天整个计划所要讨论的事情，这很有趣。
These researchers had over 1,000 people rate how funny some joke tweets about Hurricane Sandy were at different points in time.
这些研究人员让 1,000 多人对不同时间点有关桑迪飓风的一些笑话推文的有趣程度进行了评价。
And before the hurricane hit land, people thought the tweets were funny.
在飓风登陆之前，人们认为这些推文很有趣。
And then, unsurprisingly, while the hurricane was destroying homes, and knocking out power, and killing people, and in the immediate aftermath of all that, the tweets did not seem funny and in fact seemed kind of offensive.
然后，不出所料，当飓风摧毁房屋、断电、造成人员伤亡时，所有这一切发生之后，这些推文看起来并不好笑，事实上似乎有点令人反感。
And then, it took-- they have a number-- it took 15 days.
然后，他们有一个数字，花了 15 天。
15 days after the hurricane struck, the tweets started to seem funny again.
飓风袭击 15 天后，这些推文又开始变得有趣了。
Because the researchers-- Peter McGraw, Lawrence Williams, and Caleb Warren-- theorize for something like this to be funny, it has to seem threatening, but not too threatening.
因为研究人员——彼得·麦格劳、劳伦斯·威廉姆斯和迦勒·沃伦——认为这样的事情很有趣，所以它必须看起来具有威胁性，但又不能太具有威胁性。
Once it stops being threatening, it stops being funny.
一旦它不再具有威胁性，它就不再有趣了。
And in fact, there comes a point after the storm struck-- it is 36 days after the storm struck-- that people start finding the tweets less and less funny.
事实上，在风暴来袭后的某个时刻——也就是风暴来袭 36 天后——人们开始觉得这些推文越来越没那么有趣了。
And, to get back to Zoe, Zoe says, yeah, it was only a day after her dad's death that she joked about the butter dish.
回到佐伊，佐伊说，是的，就在她父亲去世后的第二天，她就拿黄油菜开玩笑了。
But the worst had already happened.
但最糟糕的情况已经发生了。
The threat had past.
威胁已经过去了。
If her dad had been alive and in imminent danger of dying, she said she couldn't have made the joke, wouldn't have had the impulse to.
她说，如果她的父亲还活着，并且面临着即将死去的危险，她就不会开这个玩笑，也不会有这样的冲动。
Because that just sounds so scary, that that would be all you were doing, is being afraid.
因为这听起来太可怕了，这就是你所做的一切，就是害怕。
But now, or right at that moment that I was in--
但现在，或者说就在我所处的那一刻——
Immediately after he died.
他死后不久。
Zoe Chace Immediately after.
佐伊·切斯 紧随其后。
I mean, nobody had been themselves, or said anything funny, or laughed about anything.
我的意思是，没有人做自己，或者说任何有趣的事情，或者对任何事情发笑。
It was super helpful.
这非常有帮助。
Helpful how?
有帮助如何？
Zoe Chace Because I felt like myself, and it felt like my family.
Zoe Chace 因为我感觉就像我自己，感觉就像我的家人。
You know, we're not such a sincere group of people.
你知道，我们并不是一群真诚的人。
And so to have that level of sincere emotion was pretty uncomfortable.
因此，拥有这种程度的真诚情感是相当不舒服的。
[CHUCKLES] Wow.
[轻笑]哇。
This has gotten so real.
这已经变得如此真实。
Which brings us to this next story of a family, and something being too soon, and then knowing the right moment for the something to happen.
这给我们带来了下一个关于一个家庭的故事，事情发生得太早了，然后知道事情发生的正确时机。
We've arrived at Act 2 of our program.
我们已经到了计划的第二幕。
Act two, Pink Slip.
第二幕，粉红单。
When Amy Silverman was in her 20s, she had this friend who would go to LA sometimes and bring back these videos.
当艾米·西尔弗曼 (Amy Silverman) 20 多岁的时候，她有一个朋友，有时会去洛杉矶带回这些视频。
And Amy and her friends would show the videos at parties.
艾米和她的朋友们会在聚会上播放这些视频。
On VHS-- this is way back in the prehistoric days, before YouTube.
在 VHS 上——这可以追溯到史前时代，在 YouTube 出现之前。
This was the '90s.
那是 90 年代。
But in Phoenix.
但在凤凰城。
So it's probably like the '80s somewhere else.
所以其他地方的情况可能就像 80 年代一样。
And one of the films the guy would bring around to parties was called Pink Slip .
这家伙会带去参加聚会的一部电影叫《粉红单》。
Amy says she easily saw it a half dozen times, maybe it was more like a dozen.
艾米说她很容易就看到了六次，也许更像是十几次。
It always killed.
它总是杀人。
Everybody liked it.
每个人都喜欢它。
It was an instructional video, and its lead character was this girl named Jill, who was just reaching puberty.
这是一个教学视频，主角是这个名叫吉尔的女孩，她刚刚进入青春期。
I've never been able to figure out when exactly it was made.
我一直无法弄清楚它到底是什么时候制作的。
But probably like late '60s, early '70s.
但可能就像 60 年代末、70 年代初那样。
Kind of groovy living room, and they have very outdated hair.
客厅很时髦，他们的头发也很过时。
Very, very obviously staged.
非常非常明显的上演。
And that was what was so funny about it, really.
这就是它的有趣之处，真的。
The film was about menstruation.
这部电影是关于月经的。
And so if you're listening with a little kid right now, and you do not want to get into that subject with them right this second, take that into advisement.
因此，如果您现在正在和一个小孩一起听，并且您不想立即与他们讨论该主题，请考虑这一点。
OK, here's a clip.
好的，这是一个剪辑。
Susie, do you have periods?
苏西，你有月经吗？
Susie Do I have periods?
苏西 我有月经吗？
Jill, all women have periods about every four weeks for three or four days.
吉尔，所有女性大约每四个星期来一次月经，持续三到四天。
When I'm on my period, blood from inside of my body comes outside from an opening between my legs.
当我来月经时，身体内部的血液会从双腿之间的开口流出。
Well, Susie, what about my teacher?
好吧，苏西，我的老师呢？
Does Miss Jones have periods?
琼斯小姐有月经吗？
Yes, Jill.
是的，吉尔。
Your teacher, Mrs. Jones, does have periods.
你的老师琼斯夫人确实有月经。
All women have periods about every four weeks for three or four days.
所有女性大约每四个星期来一次月经，持续三到四天。
About periods, Daddy!
关于月经，爸爸！
Dad, does Aunt Carol have periods?
爸爸，卡罗尔阿姨来月经了吗？
Yes, Jill.
是的，吉尔。
All women have periods about every four weeks.
所有女性大约每四个星期来一次月经。
So it's very repetitive.
所以这是非常重复的。
Amy Silverman And we would watch it and shriek with laughter.
艾米·西尔弗曼（Amy Silverman）我们会一边观看一边大笑。
Not proud of it, but that is what happened.
并不为此感到自豪，但这就是发生的事情。
A lot.
很多。
Blood from inside a woman's body comes outside, from an opening between her legs, about every four weeks.
大约每四个星期，女性体内的血液就会从她双腿之间的开口流出。
But the blood?
但血呢？
Won't it get on my clothes?
不会沾到衣服上吗？
No, it won't.
不，不会的。
Because you use a sanitary pad.
因为你用的是卫生巾。
A sanitary pad.
卫生巾。
Ira Glass Amy says it did register with her that there was something up with that girl, Jill.
艾拉·格拉斯·艾米说，她确实意识到那个名叫吉尔的女孩出了问题。
Something different.
有所不同。
But she never really gave it much thought.
但她从来没有真正考虑过这个问题。
And she and her friends would drink, and they'd watch this kitschy old film.
她和她的朋友们会喝酒，还会看这部俗气的老电影。
And years later, when Amy was 37, she had her second child-- a daughter, Sophie.
多年后，艾米 37 岁，生下了第二个孩子——女儿苏菲。
And Sophie had Down Syndrome.
苏菲患有唐氏综合症。
So when Sophie was like two weeks old, all of a sudden I was driving down the street one day, and I went, oh my god, Pink Slip !
所以，当索菲两周大的时候，有一天，我突然开车走在街上，我发现，天啊，粉红单！
And suddenly, it all came together for me, and I realized that that video had been about a girl with Down Syndrome.
突然间，这一切对我来说都发生了，我意识到那个视频是关于一个患有唐氏综合症的女孩的。
And now I had a baby with Down Syndrome.
现在我生了一个患有唐氏综合症的孩子。
And some day, I was going to have to figure out how to teach her about puberty.
有一天，我必须弄清楚如何教她有关青春期的知识。
And then, as quickly as that thought came into my head, I shoved it out and replaced it with, I don't know, a need for diapers or something.
然后，这个想法一出现在我的脑海里，我就把它赶了出去，取而代之的是，我不知道，需要尿布什么的。
Years pass, and by the time Sophie was 10, she had seen her older sister become an adolescent, and Sophie was obsessed.
几年过去了，到了索菲 10 岁的时候，她看到她的姐姐变成了青少年，索菲对此着迷。
She had a bra collection.
她有一个胸罩系列。
She had a deodorant collection.
她有一个除臭剂系列。
Not that she needed a bra or deodorant just yet, Amy says.
艾米说，并不是说她还需要胸罩或除臭剂。
There was one false alarm, where it seemed like she was growing hair in new places.
有一次误报，她似乎在新的地方长出了头发。
And she started jumping up and down.
她开始上蹿下跳。
She ran down the hallway naked into her sister's room to show her.
她赤身裸体地沿着走廊跑进姐姐的房间给她看。
She grabbed my cell phone and called one of my friends, and she raced around the kitchen table as fast as she could, again and again, you know, just talking about her hair with my mom, with my friend, with my husband.
她抓起我的手机，给我的一个朋友打电话，然后她以最快的速度绕着厨房的桌子跑，一次又一次，你知道，只是和我妈妈、我朋友、我丈夫谈论她的头发。
Amy and her husband decided to enroll Sophie in a class about puberty, a one-time seminar for kids with Down Syndrome, to answer their questions and teach them what they needed to know about what was going to happen to them, taught by this woman who is an expert on all that.
艾米和她的丈夫决定让索菲参加一个关于青春期的课程，这是一个为患有唐氏综合症的孩子举办的一次性研讨会，回答他们的问题，并教给他们需要知道的关于将要发生的事情，由这位这方面的专家教授。
And it was OK.
一切都好。
It was fine.
很好。
Though it didn't do the job for Sophie.
尽管这对苏菲来说并没有什么作用。
Sophie was-- you know, she was about to turn 12, and she was still asking questions.
索菲——你知道，她快满 12 岁了，但她还在问问题。
She wanted to know the basics about her period.
她想了解有关她经期的基本知识。
About where the blood would come out, what she would use.
关于血会从哪里流出来，她会用什么。
Just basics.
只是基础知识。
And I thought, you know what?
我想，你知道吗？
Maybe I should show her Pink Slip.
也许我应该给她看一下粉红单。
This was honestly something she had never considered before.
老实说，这是她以前从未考虑过的。
She'd never taken that video seriously.
她从来没有认真对待过那个视频。
No. No!
不，不！
We made fun of it.
我们取笑它。
So I got the video up for her, for her to see.
所以我把视频拍给她看。
Now, I know you recorded a conversation with her before you showed her the video.
现在，我知道你在给她看视频之前录制了与她的对话。
Let me just play that piece of tape.
让我播放那盘磁带。
Here we go.
开始了。
Do you remember what we're talking about today?
你还记得我们今天谈论的是什么吗？
Periods.
经期。
Amy Silverman Yep.
艾米·西尔弗曼 是的。
And now, do you feel like you already know everything about them?
现在，您是否觉得您已经了解了他们的一切？
Yup.
是的。
Because last year, I had a puberty lesson.
因为去年，我上了青春期课程。
And they sang a song-- "Just Around the Corner."
他们唱了一首歌——《就在拐角处》。
She's saying last year they did a puberty lesson, and they sang a song-- "Just Around the Corner." That's how she knows everything.
她说去年他们上了青春期课程，他们唱了一首歌——《就在拐角处》。就这样，她知道了一切。
Amy pulled up Pink Slip on her phone because, of course, it's on YouTube.
艾米在手机上打开了《Pink Slip》，因为当然，它就在 YouTube 上。
And, unlike me, Sophie loves to watch videos on YouTube.
而且，与我不同的是，索菲喜欢在 YouTube 上观看视频。
So she grabbed it and watched it.
于是她抓住了它并观看了它。
And so let's watch the video.
让我们观看视频。
Amy Silverman So let's watch the video?
艾米·西尔弗曼（Amy Silverman）让我们看一下视频吧？
Yes, what about periods?
是的，那么经期呢？
Jill Do you have periods?
吉尔 你有月经吗？
In the recording that Amy made of Sophie watching Pink Slip, there is a moment where they both laugh.
在艾米录制的苏菲观看《粉红单》的录音中，有一个时刻他们都笑了。
It's the most shocking moment in the film, and it really is kind of shocking.
这是全片最震撼的时刻，确实有点震撼。
Again, if you are listening right now with a small child, know that I am about to say something very frank about menstruation.
再说一次，如果你现在正在和一个小孩子一起听，请知道我将要非常坦白地说一些关于月经的事情。
And just decide if you want to keep listening.
然后决定是否要继续聆听。
The moment that Amy and Sophie laugh at in the video is one that Amy remembers very well from back when she used to watch the video with her friends at parties.
艾米和索菲在视频中大笑的那一刻，艾米记得很清楚，当时她和朋友们在聚会上观看视频。
It's kind of the big moment in the film.
这是电影中的重要时刻。
Well, this was like the grabber at the parties.
嗯，这就像聚会上的抢手者。
Where Jill would say to Susie, you know, I don't understand or something.
吉尔会对苏西说，你知道，我不明白什么的。
And Susie would say, well, come into the bathroom with me, Jill.
苏西会说，好吧，和我一起进浴室吧，吉尔。
I have my period right now.
我现在正值月经。
And then sit down, and pull down her pants, and show her bloody pad.
然后坐下来，脱下她的裤子，露出她血淋淋的垫子。
This is a used sanitary pad.
这是用过的卫生巾。
Jill Look, there's blood on it.
吉尔 看，上面有血。
See?
看？
Jill You mean the blood's coming from inside your body now?
吉尔：你的意思是血液现在来自你的身体内部？
Blood is coming from inside my body through an opening between my legs.
血液从我体内通过双腿之间的开口流出。
Yep.
是的。
Ira Glass Just a minute later, after the sister shows the girl in the film how to throw away a used pad and start using a new pad, Sophie watches intently and quietly says--
艾拉·格拉斯 一分钟后，姐姐向电影中的女孩展示如何扔掉用过的卫生巾并开始使用新的卫生巾后，苏菲专注地看着，静静地说道——
I get it now.
我现在明白了。
Ira Glass Back at the parties that Amy used to go to, when the scene drew the biggest laughs and the most comments, it was just too soon for Amy to get what the video would be good for-- for a girl like Sophie.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 回到艾米过去参加的聚会上，当这一幕引起了最大的笑声和最多的评论时，艾米现在就想知道这段视频对索菲这样的女孩有什么好处还为时过早。
What was it like watching her watch this video that you knew so well?
看着她看这段你如此熟悉的视频是什么感觉？
Completely surreal.
完全超现实。
Completely surreal.
完全超现实。
I mean, embarrassing.
我的意思是，尴尬。
Why was it embarrassing?
为什么会尴尬呢？
Amy Silverman Oh, I was embarrassed because I used to make fun of it.
艾米·西尔弗曼（Amy Silverman）哦，我很尴尬，因为我以前经常取笑它。
But Sophie didn't know that.
但苏菲并不知道这一点。
Amy Silverman No, but I don't feel like that really honored her.
艾米·西尔弗曼：不，但我觉得这并没有真正让她感到荣幸。
You know?
你知道？
My prior behavior.
我之前的行为。
Oh, I see what you're saying.
哦，我明白你在说什么。
Here you are.
给你。
You've got this little girl who you love.
你有一个你爱的小女孩。
And now, with her present, you're returning to the scene of the crime.
现在，带着她的礼物，你将回到犯罪现场。
Yeah.
是的。
I felt more ashamed than embarrassed.
我感到羞耻多于尴尬。
But I had to stop and think, huh, maybe the person who made that video really knew what they were doing.
但我不得不停下来想，嗯，也许制作该视频的人真的知道他们在做什么。
Yeah.
是的。
That's the thing I was wondering, is did it give you a respect for the video?
这就是我想知道的事情，它是否给予了你对视频的尊重？
It did.
确实如此。
It was really weird.
真的很奇怪。
Ira Glass And so all the corny repetition in the whole thing, that's totally right for her.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：所以整件事中所有的老生常谈的重复，这对她来说是完全正确的。
That's what she needs.
这就是她所需要的。
It just has to be slowed down.
它必须放慢速度。
The learning has to be slowed down.
学习的速度必须放慢。
Do you feel like a certain amount of being a parent is realizing what an ass you were before you were a parent?
你是否觉得作为父母在一定程度上意识到自己在成为父母之前是多么的混蛋？
Yes.
是的。
Absolutely.
绝对地。
I mean, I was the one who-- I always tell people this.
我的意思是，我总是告诉人们这一点。
I was the one who would switch lines at Safeway if there was a person with a developmental disability bagging groceries.
如果有发育障碍人士在装杂货，我会在西夫韦换线。
Because I just didn't want to deal.
因为我只是不想交易。
It would've taken, what?
这需要什么？
15 seconds to nod and smile?
15秒点头微笑？
And be a human being about it?
并为此做一个人吗？
Not me.
不是我。
Amy's thought about showing Pink Slip to Sophie again.
艾米考虑再次向索菲展示《粉红单》。
It's been a few months, and Sophie still has not gotten her period.
几个月过去了，苏菲仍然没有来月经。
Though Amy's not sure what Sophie would think of the video today.
尽管艾米不确定索菲今天会如何看待这段视频。
Because Sophie's able to tell that the girl in the video has Down Syndrome.
因为苏菲能够看出视频中的女孩患有唐氏综合症。
And Sophie is going through a thing right now where she does not like to identify herself that way.
索菲现在正在经历一件事，她不喜欢以这种方式表明自己的身份。
Not to get all serious on you, but Sophie is starting to realize that she's-- she's not going to ever have some of the things that her sister has.
并不是对你太认真，但索菲开始意识到她——她永远不会拥有她姐姐所拥有的一些东西。
So recently, she asked me, am I going to have Down Syndrome when I grow up?
所以最近她问我，我长大后会不会得唐氏综合症？
And I said, you are.
我说，你是。
And she said, I don't want to.
她说，我不想。
I don't want to have it.
我不想拥有它。
So what does her sister get that she doesn't get, that she sees right now?
那么，她姐姐现在看到了什么，但她没有得到什么？
She gets to go to a fancy art school that won't take Sophie.
她去一所不会录取苏菲的高级艺术学校。
She gets to dance on point in ballet, which Sophie doesn't get to do because her feet aren't strong enough.
在芭蕾舞中，她能够在点上跳舞，但索菲无法做到这一点，因为她的脚不够有力。
She gets sleepover invitations Sophie doesn't get.
她收到了索菲没有收到的过夜邀请。
And she gets that life in front of her.
她的生活就在她面前。
You know, she-- Sophie told me the other day that she doesn't want to have an aid at school anymore, because she wants to practice walking to class by herself for college.
你知道，索菲前几天告诉我，她不想再在学校得到帮助，因为她想练习自己步行去上大学。
What Sophie will get that her sister got, and she'll probably get it pretty soon, is her period.
苏菲将得到的和她姐姐一样的，而且她可能很快就会得到的，就是她的月经。
And Amy might show her Pink Slip again.
艾米可能会再次向她展示她的粉红单。
Amy tried once to show the video to Sophie's older sister.
艾米有一次尝试将视频播放给索菲的姐姐看。
And the older sister got to the part with the bloody pad and then tossed the phone back to Amy.
姐姐找到了血淋淋的垫子，然后把手机扔回给艾米。
But Sophie's different, and she liked the video.
但索菲不同，她喜欢这个视频。
Pink Slip was what she needed.
粉红单正是她所需要的。
Our program is produced today by Miki Meek with Zoe Chace, Sean Cole, Stephanie Foo, Chana Joffe-Walt, Jonathan Manjivar, Brian Reed, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Miki Meek 与 Zoe Chace、Sean Cole、Stephanie Foo、Chana Joffe-Walt、Jonathan Manjivar、Brian Reed、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 共同制作。
Our editor is Joel Lovell.
我们的编辑是乔尔·洛弗尔。
Other editing help today from Neil Drumming and Julie Snyder, who's our editorial consultant.
今天的其他编辑帮助来自尼尔·德鲁明 (Neil Drumming) 和我们的编辑顾问朱莉·斯奈德 (Julie Snyder)。
Production help from Lily Sullivan.
莉莉·沙利文 (Lily Sullivan) 提供制作帮助。
Seth Lind is our operations director.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的运营总监。
Emily Condon's our production manager.
艾米丽·康登是我们的生产经理。
Elise Bergerson's our office manager.
埃莉斯·伯格森是我们的办公室经理。
Kimberly Henderson is our office coordinator.
Kimberly Henderson 是我们的办公室协调员。
Elna Baker scouts stories for our show.
艾尔娜·贝克为我们的节目寻找故事。
Research help today from Christopher Swetala and Michelle Harris.
Christopher Swetala 和 Michelle Harris 今天提供了研究帮助。
Music help today from Damien Graef and Rob Gettis.
今天，达米安·格雷夫 (Damien Graef) 和罗布·盖蒂斯 (Rob Gettis) 提供音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Amy Silverman blogs about her daughter Sophie at girlinapartyhat.com.
[鸣谢] Amy Silverman 在 girlsinapartyhat.com 上发表了有关她女儿 Sophie 的博客。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, when he hears the credits to our show begin, every single program, the only thing that goes through his mind is--
你知道，当他听到我们每一个节目的节目开始时，他脑子里唯一想到的就是——
How are they going to work me into this?
他们将如何帮助我解决这个问题？
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。