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Prologue Ira Glass I've never been interested in William Burroughs.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 我对威廉·巴勒斯一向不感兴趣。
You know who this is?
你知道这是谁吗？
Beat writer, author of Junkie and Naked Lunch .
Beat作家，《Junkie》和《裸体午餐》的作者。
To me, it's like he was somebody glorifying and fetishizing heroin.
对我来说，他就像是一个赞美和迷恋海洛因的人。
He was into grand pronouncements, like--
他喜欢发表宏大的言论，比如——
Nobody seems to ask the question what words actually are and exactly their relationship to the human nervous system.
似乎没有人问单词到底是什么以及它们与人类神经系统的确切关系。
He just wasn't my thing.
他只是不是我的菜。
I didn't see what the big deal was.
我没看出有什么大不了的。
His ideas didn't seem interesting.
他的想法似乎并不有趣。
I knew there were lots of really smart people who love him.
我知道有很多非常聪明的人爱他。
I did not get it.
我没明白。
And then I heard this radio documentary about him.
然后我听到了这部关于他的广播纪录片。
And there's no other way to say this.
没有其他方式可以表达这一点。
I got it.
我得到了它。
I saw why people go nuts for him.
我明白了为什么人们为他疯狂。
The documentary was made last year to commemorate Burroughs' 100th birthday, commissioned by BBC Radio.
这部纪录片是去年受 BBC 广播电台委托制作的，以纪念巴勒斯的 100 岁生日。
And first of all, the sheer craft of this documentary was just a thing to behold-- finding people who knew Burroughs, and sorting through archival sound, and has this beautiful structure.
首先，这部纪录片的纯粹工艺是值得一看的——找到认识巴勒斯的人，对档案声音进行分类，并拥有如此美丽的结构。
But what really won me over is that it is not reverential about Burroughs.
但真正让我着迷的是，它并不尊重巴勒斯。
It thoroughly explains why he is such a mythic revered figure.
这彻底解释了为什么他是一个如此受人尊敬的神话人物。
But it doesn't buy into the myth.
但这并不符合这个神话。
And they do this totally untraditional kind of narration where the rock star, Iggy Pop, who is apparently a huge Burroughs fan, both narrates the show and comments on the narration that the show producer has written to the show producer all through the show.
他们采用了这种完全非传统的旁白，摇滚明星伊基·波普（Iggy Pop）显然是巴勒斯的忠实粉丝，他既为节目提供旁白，又对节目制片人在整个节目中写给节目制片人的旁白进行评论。
I have never heard anything like it.
我从来没有听说过这样的事情。
It's one of the best hours of radio I heard last year, and one of the most original.
这是我去年听过的最好的广播节目之一，也是最原创的广播节目之一。
Burroughs' 101st birthday is this week.
本周是巴勒斯的 101 岁生日。
And to commemorate it, I'm going to play you this documentary.
为了纪念它，我将给你们播放这部纪录片。
OK?
好的？
It's going to happen right now.
它现在就会发生。
So from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
这是芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And without further delay, I hand this over to producer Colin McNulty and his presenter.
我立即将其交给制片人科林·麦克纳尔蒂和他的主持人。
They're Brits.
他们是英国人。
That's the word they use presenter, for the narrator.
这是他们用“presenter”这个词来指代“叙述者”。
His presenter, Iggy Pop.
他的主持人伊基·波普（Iggy Pop）。
Heads up, there are some impolite words in here and one racist term.
请注意，这里有一些不礼貌的词语和一个种族主义术语。
If you're listening to this by podcast or over the internet, you will be hearing these words without beeps.
如果您通过播客或互联网收听此内容，您将听到这些单词，而不会发出蜂鸣声。
And we've also included a few full sentences here with sexual content that had to be cut from the American broadcast of the episode.
我们还在这里添加了一些完整的句子，其中包含必须从该集的美国广播中删除的色情内容。
If you are somebody who prefers a less explicit version of the show-- maybe you have kids wandering in and out as you listen-- you can get that at our website, thisamericanlife.org.
如果您喜欢节目不太露骨的版本（也许您的孩子在您听的时候进进出出），您可以在我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org 上获取该版本。
British radio, as you're about to hear, is more permissive than American radio when it comes to sexual content.
正如您即将听到的，英国广播电台在涉及性内容时比美国广播电台更加宽容。
Though they did begin their broadcast of the show with their version of a listener advisory, not like ours at all.
尽管他们确实以他们版本的听众建议开始播放节目，但与我们的完全不同。
A warning.
一个警告。
The following program contains references to homosexuality, drug use, sex with aliens, violence, and kitty cats.
以下节目涉及同性恋、吸毒、与外星人发生性关系、暴力和小猫。
What did you expect?
你期待什么？
Good, how you doing?
很好，你好吗？
Iggy Pop You were casing the joint.
伊基·波普（Iggy Pop） 你正在给接头加套管。
I was afraid I'd get lost.
我担心我会迷路。
Iggy Pop Well, and you were going to be punctual, right?
伊基·波普：嗯，你会准时的，对吧？
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
Iggy Pop Sit down, please, for a little bit.
Iggy Pop 请坐一会儿。
OK, cool.
好吧，酷。
What are we doing?
我们在做什么？
Iggy Pop This is William Burroughs' 100th birthday, and we are taking a look at his life, his times, and his work.
伊基·波普 (Iggy Pop) 这是威廉·巴勒斯 (William Burroughs) 的 100 岁生日，我们将回顾他的生活、他的时代和他的工作。
I didn't write this stuff, but I'm willing to present.
这些东西不是我写的，但我愿意呈现。
All right?
好的？
That's fine, man.
没关系，伙计。
Iggy Pop I will really hope you put that line in there.
伊吉·波普（Iggy Pop） 我真的希望你能把那句话放在那里。
I didn't write this stuff.
这些东西不是我写的。
Iggy Pop I'm not that close to the take of BBC4 or this whole thing.
Iggy Pop 我对 BBC4 或整件事的看法不太了解。
I'm going to be honest with you.
我要对你说实话。
Presenter?
主持人？
To me, I feel like I should have a little hat.
对我来说，我觉得我应该有一顶小帽子。
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, are you ready for star time?
嘿，女士们先生们，你们准备好迎接明星时光了吗？
Ready to rumble.
准备好隆隆作响了。
I could do those voices.
我可以做那些声音。
At this particular time, we'd like to introduce the star of the show, Colin McNulty.
在这个特殊的时刻，我们想介绍一下该剧的明星科林·麦克纳尔蒂。
All right, let's go.
好吧，我们走吧。
I'm ready.
我准备好了。
Iggy Pop Now I've met William Burroughs once, and have been inspired by him, but I am not an expert on Burroughs, unlike this guy.
Iggy Pop 现在我见过 William Burroughs 一次，并受到他的启发，但与这个人不同，我不是 Burroughs 的专家。
I'm Oliver Harris.
我是奥利弗·哈里斯。
I'm a professor of American literature.
我是美国文学教授。
I'm the author and editor of 10 books on or about William Burroughs.
我是 10 本有关威廉·巴勒斯的书籍的作者和编辑。
The strange thing is that a million people who never heard of William Burroughs can sing lines from The Ticket That Exploded, and that's because Burroughs' book is where Iggy Pop found the raw materials of Lust for Life.
奇怪的是，有一百万从未听说过威廉·巴勒斯的人可以唱《爆炸的票》中的台词，那是因为巴勒斯的书是伊基·波普找到《渴望生命》原材料的地方。
It's where Johnny Ann comes from, along with those hypnotizing chickens and the flesh gimmick and the strip tease and the torture film.
这就是约翰尼·安（Johnny Ann）的诞生地，还有那些令人着迷的鸡、肉体的噱头、脱衣舞和酷刑电影。
Pop responded to the way Burroughs was working back in the 1960s in a kind of montage way that we now take for granted in a digital era, but Burroughs was pioneering it.
Pop 以一种我们现在在数字时代认为理所当然的蒙太奇方式回应了巴勒斯在 20 世纪 60 年代的工作方式，但巴勒斯是这种方式的先驱。
This is coming out of some Lust for Life , all right.
这是出于对生活的渴望，好吧。
He's not just in my music.
他不仅仅存在于我的音乐中。
Burroughs is everywhere.
巴勒斯无处不在。
He's in Dylan's Tombstone Blues.
他是迪伦的《墓碑蓝调》中的一员。
He's on the cover of Sergeant Pepper's two rows behind Paul, right next to Marilyn Monroe.
他出现在佩珀中士的封面上，在保罗后面两排，就在玛丽莲·梦露旁边。
He inspired band names like the Soft Machine, a great band, and Steely Dan, which is named after a strap-on dildo in Naked Lunch.
他给乐队的名字带来了灵感，比如“Soft Machine”（一支伟大的乐队）和“Steely Dan”（以《裸体午餐》中的绑带式假阳具命名）。
I didn't know that.
我不知道。
The world was introduced to the phrase "heavy metal" in the book Nova Express.
《Nova Express》一书中向世界介绍了“重金属”一词。
He worked with Kurt Cobain on a spoken word track, The Priest, They Called Him.
他与库尔特·柯本 (Kurt Cobain) 合作制作了一首口语歌曲《The Priest, They Call Him》。
Fight tuberculosis, folks.
伙计们，抗击结核病。
As Lou Reed said, without William, there is nothing.
正如卢·里德所说，没有威廉就什么都没有。
I am writing for people who are interested in exploring unexplored psychic areas.
我正在为那些有兴趣探索未探索的心灵领域的人写作。
This month, it has been 100 years since the birth of William Seward Burroughs II.
本月，威廉·苏厄德·巴勒斯二世 (William Seward Burroughs II) 诞辰 100 周年。
By the time he died, the man left behind a humongous body of work.
当他去世时，他留下了大量的作品。
Bear with us.
请耐心等待。
It's going to get weird.
事情会变得很奇怪。
There will be drugs, sex, violence, aliens, the beats, of course, Tangiers, Paris, New York, and cats.
会有毒品、性、暴力、外星人、节拍，当然还有丹吉尔、巴黎、纽约和猫。
We'll play around with cut ups too, but that will be explained.
我们也会尝试剪切，但这会得到解释。
We've trawled through Burroughs' work and the archives, particularly Burroughs, The Movie , a film directed by Howard Brookner, which is being rereleased later this year.
我们查阅了巴勒斯的作品和档案，特别是霍华德·布鲁克纳执导的《巴勒斯电影》，将于今年晚些时候重新上映。
We've also spoken to many people that have been permanently touched by William Burroughs.
我们还采访了许多被威廉·巴勒斯永久感动的人。
I'm looking at my little collection here.
我正在看我的小收藏。
I have the book Queer by William Burroughs.
我有威廉·巴勒斯写的《酷儿》一书。
And it's autographed, "To John Waters, with admiration and friendship, William Burroughs, November 3, 1985 at the Mary Boone gallery."
它的亲笔签名是：“致约翰·沃特斯，怀着钦佩和友谊，威廉·巴勒斯，1985 年 11 月 3 日在玛丽·布恩画廊。”
Exhibit A, director John Waters.
证据A，导演约翰·沃特斯。
Burroughs gave him a name that stuck, The Pope of Trash.
巴勒斯给了他一个流传已久的名字：垃圾教皇。
Yes, I've been shamelessly milking that title, The Pope of Trash, for years.
是的，多年来我一直无耻地榨取“垃圾教皇”这个称号。
Matter of fact, as I'm sitting here, I'm wearing a long cloak to the floor and an imperial marjoram crown that says "The Pope of Trash" on it as we speak.
事实上，当我坐在这里时，我穿着一件拖地的长斗篷，戴着一顶马郁兰皇冠，上面写着“垃圾教皇”。
But I grew up reading William Burroughs.
但我是读着威廉·巴勒斯的书长大的。
I mean, I went to Catholic school and sat there and read Junkie , and the Christian brothers were so stupid, they had never heard of William Burroughs and thought, isn't it nice?
我的意思是，我去了天主教学校，坐在那里读《瘾君子》，基督教兄弟们太愚蠢了，他们从来没有听说过威廉·巴勒斯，然后想，这不是很好吗？
He's reading.
他正在读书。
But they had no idea what I was reading.
但他们不知道我在读什么。
He was a role model for all of us.
他是我们所有人的榜样。
We all grew up reading him.
我们都是读着他的书长大的。
When we were in high school, when we were stuck in suburbia somewhere trying to get away, we read him, and he ignited our imaginations.
当我们上高中时，当我们被困在郊区某个地方试图逃离时，我们读了他的作品，他点燃了我们的想象力。
He let us dare to try something that we had been told we should never do.
他让我们敢于尝试一些我们被告知永远不应该做的事情。
He was a bad guardian angel that got us out of the house.
他是一个坏守护天使，把我们赶出了家门。
But besides the writing, Burroughs the man is legendary.
但除了写作之外，巴勒斯这个人也是一个传奇人物。
His hobbies, his personality, the way he lived his life became mythic.
他的爱好、他的个性、他的生活方式都成了神话。
He was conformist America's dark nemesis.
他是墨守成规的美国的黑暗克星。
The mugwump slips the noose over the boy's head and tightens the knot--
魔王把套索套在男孩头上，拉紧结——
Moves in behind the boy and shoves his cock up the boy's ass.
走到男孩身后，把他的鸡巴塞进男孩的屁股里。
He stands there, moving in circular gyrations.
他站在那里，做着圆周运动。
He was openly gay.
他是公开的同性恋者。
William Burroughs We are a precarious minority.
威廉·巴勒斯 我们是不稳定的少数。
We've got to fight for our lives.
我们必须为自己的生命而战。
If they're opposed, the gay state, we're going to find him, track him down, and kill him.
如果他们反对，同性恋国家，我们就会找到他，追踪他，并杀死他。
I think Burroughs was the first militant gay person really that would dare to say that.
我认为巴勒斯是第一个敢于这么说的激进同性恋者。
So even the other beatniks were scared of him, I think.
所以我想，即使是其他垮掉的一代也害怕他。
I think William out-hipped all of them, really, because he was so alarming and so scary and so macabre.
我认为威廉确实比他们所有人都出色，因为他是如此令人震惊、如此可怕、如此可怕。
Well, I would use any weapons at my disposal in order to defend my premises.
好吧，我会使用我可以使用的任何武器来保卫我的房屋。
Despite having shot his wife, Burroughs was obsessed with guns and weapons.
尽管巴勒斯枪杀了他的妻子，但他仍然沉迷于枪支和武器。
You had a razor sharp, double edge knife.
你有一把锋利的双刃刀。
You could whip it out and cut someone's throat before he knew what was happening.
你可以在某人知道发生了什么之前把它拿出来割断他的喉咙。
I'm not anticipating any trouble, because I don't like violence.
我预计不会有任何麻烦，因为我不喜欢暴力。
And he was a heroin addict.
他是一名海洛因成瘾者。
William Burroughs The whole drug problem started when they made drugs illegal.
威廉·巴勒斯 整个毒品问题始于他们将毒品定为非法。
He slid the needle in.
他把针插了进去。
A red organ bloomed at the bottom of the dropper, watching the solution rush into the boy's veins, sucked by silent thirst of blood.
一个红色的器官在滴管底部绽放，看着溶液冲进男孩的血管，被无声的血渴所吸吮。
I mean, he was everything.
我的意思是，他就是一切。
He took drugs.
他吸毒了。
He was gay.
他是同性恋。
He did things that no one dared mention, especially together, because gay people were kind of square then, the ones that people knew about.
他做了一些没人敢提及的事情，尤其是在一起，因为当时同性恋者有点方正，人们都知道。
So he was a junkie gay person, which really caused a lot of trouble-- and unashamed.
所以他是一个吸毒的同性恋者，这确实造成了很多麻烦——而且毫不羞耻。
The mythic Burroughs was an old man in a three piece suit with this nasal voice rising up like this, railing against the world with one hand on the typewriter and the other pushing a needle into his arm.
神话中的巴勒斯是一位穿着三件套西装的老人，鼻音像这样扬起，一只手放在打字机上，另一只手把针插进手臂，抱怨着世界。
I can do him pretty good.
我可以对他很好。
Yeah, you do a damn good Burroughs impression.
是的，你给巴勒斯留下了非常好的印象。
I only shot heroin once in my life, because I had to, in respect of William Burroughs.
我一生中只注射过一次海洛因，因为出于对威廉·巴勒斯的尊重，我不得不这样做。
I mean, that's a terrible thing to say.
我的意思是，这是一件可怕的事情。
But I did try it once.
但我确实尝试过一次。
And you shouldn't because you can get hepatitis C from trying it just once.
而且您不应该这样做，因为您只需尝试一次就可能感染丙型肝炎。
I don't have it, but I know people that do.
我没有，但我知道有人有。
William Burroughs was a bad influence on me.
威廉·巴勒斯对我产生了不好的影响。
And I thank him for that.
我为此感谢他。
But not everyone appreciates the Burroughs myth.
但并不是所有人都欣赏巴勒斯神话。
I don't just take the Burroughs myth with a pinch of salt.
我对巴勒斯的神话并不半信半疑。
I view it as a unpleasant slug crawling across the lawn of literature.
我认为它是一只令人不快的蛞蝓在文学的草坪上爬行。
And I like to pour salt on it.
我喜欢在上面撒盐。
The writer, Will Self.
作者威尔·赛夫.
Colin Mcnulty Do you like his stuff?
科林·麦克纳尔蒂 你喜欢他的东西吗？
You said you did.
你说你做到了。
I told you I did, yeah, yeah.
我告诉过你我做到了，是的，是的。
Known smart ass.
出了名的聪明。
When I was at school, I got the English prize when I was 16.
当我在学校的时候，我16岁就获得了英语奖。
And I asked for a copy of The Naked Lunch .
我要了一本《裸体午餐》。
I used to have it with the sort of school coat of arms on a book plate in the front of it.
我曾经把它放在前面的书盘上，上面有学校的徽章。
Having used heroin yourself-- Will Self I think used is a bit of an understatement.
我自己吸过海洛因——Will Self 我认为“吸过海洛因”这个说法有点轻描淡写。
I was a heroin addict on and off for pushing a quarter of a century.
我断断续续地吸食海洛因已经有四分之一个世纪了。
For myself, I find the whole Burroughs myth pretty repulsive, actually.
事实上，就我自己而言，我发现整个巴勒斯神话非常令人厌恶。
Because I understand what happened to me.
因为我明白发生在我身上的事情。
I was an addict in waiting.
我是一个等待中的瘾君子。
I got my form prize or my English prize at The Naked Lunch.
我在裸体午餐中获得了形式奖或英语奖。
And a year and a half later, I was sticking needles in my arm.
一年半后，我在手臂上扎针。
Was it that direct for you?
对你来说是直接的吗？
Will Self Well, I'm not saying it made me do it.
威尔·自我 好吧，我并不是说是它让我这么做的。
I'm saying that my attraction to Burroughs' work was very much to do with the mythos, and particularly to do with the mythos that surrounded him because of being a heroin addict.
我想说的是，我对巴勒斯作品的吸引力很大程度上与神话有关，尤其是与围绕他的海洛因成瘾者的神话有关。
And that's the point about Burroughs, is that he exists.
这就是巴勒斯的意义所在，他的存在。
You could be lying in some pestilential piss-soaked squat in the bowels of the city listening to some moron totaled on drugs drooling on and talking about Burroughs, because Burroughs was their Leon Trotsky.
你可能躺在城市深处某个被瘟疫浸湿的蹲坑里，听着某个吸毒成瘾的白痴一边流着口水，一边谈论巴勒斯，因为巴勒斯就是他们的列昂·托洛茨基。
He was their Archbishop of Canterbury.
他是他们的坎特伯雷大主教。
He was the Pope.
他是教皇。
I'd rather belong to the priesthood than be with the guy who was lying on the carpet drooling about-- that's all.
我宁愿属于神职人员，也不愿和那个躺在地毯上流着口水的家伙在一起——仅此而已。
That's all there is to it, though.
不过，这就是全部内容了。
One day Burroughs found himself in the possession of some morphine syringes, and he tried junk for the first time.
有一天，巴勒斯发现自己拥有一些吗啡注射器，他第一次尝试使用垃圾。
Morphine hits the backs of the legs first, then the back of the neck, a spinning wave of relaxation, slackening the muscles away from the bone so that you see the bloat without outlines.
吗啡首先作用于腿后部，然后是颈后部，产生一股旋转的放松波，使肌肉松弛，远离骨头，这样你就可以看到没有轮廓的肿胀。
I became addicted to drugs before I'd written anything.
在我写任何东西之前我就对毒品上瘾了。
And actually, my first book, Junkie, was simply an account of my experiences.
事实上，我的第一本书《Junkie》只是对我经历的描述。
I think it was medicine for the dude.
我认为这是这家伙的良药。
It's painful.
很痛苦。
It's painful to be a human being.
生而为人是痛苦的。
I'm not even half anymore.
我连一半都没有了。
I can't take it.
我受不了。
I've never been more than half at one time.
我从来没有一次超过一半。
I think that his genius, in as much as he has any-- and you see it in ample evidence in Junkie -- is that he makes of the condition of the addict a synecdoche for the condition of everybody.
我认为他的天才之处在于，他把瘾君子的处境作为每个人处境的提喻，你可以在《瘾君子》中看到这一点。
There are all sorts of things you can get out of this guy's books without having to be interested in whatever he thought about opiates.
你可以从这个人的书中得到各种各样的东西，而不必对他对阿片类药物的看法感兴趣。
I think the way to read Junkie is not as a book about heroin addiction at all.
我认为《Junkie》的阅读方式根本不是一本关于海洛因成瘾的书。
It's a book about the condition of modern man that developed capitalistic societies.
这是一本关于发展资本主义社会的现代人的状况的书。
William was on and off junk for the rest of his life.
威廉的余生断断续续地都是垃圾。
His addiction followed and pushed him everywhere.
他的毒瘾随之而来，并把他推到各处。
Flash forward to Burroughs living in his New York home, the bunker.
快进到巴勒斯住在纽约的家——地堡里。
Yeah, I saw Bill take junk.
是的，我看到比尔拿垃圾。
It almost seemed like someone had put a junk supermarket right smack in the middle of the punk world to destroy them.
看起来就像是有人在朋克世界的正中央放了一个垃圾超市来摧毁他们。
Everyone had a copy of Junkie .
每个人都有一本《Junkie》。
They read them over and over again, but they didn't seem to get the real message of it because they seemed to think it was really cool to take heroin with William Burroughs.
他们一遍又一遍地阅读这些内容，但他们似乎没有得到其中的真正信息，因为他们似乎认为和威廉·巴勒斯一起吸食海洛因真的很酷。
James Grauerholz was Burroughs' friend and manager for over 20 years.
詹姆斯·格劳尔霍兹 (James Grauerholz) 是巴勒斯 20 多年来的朋友和经理。
Every time we went to New York, I saw a slightly out of control scene.
每次去纽约，我都会看到有点失控的景象。
Running the bank accounts, I could see it flowing out of the ATM down the street from the bunker.
运行银行账户，我可以看到它从地堡沿街的自动取款机流出。
He was looking for a pastoral retreat, and I was looking to lure him to it for his sake to get him away from all the young wannabe hipsters ringing the buzzer of the bunker, breaking out the baggies of dope, and saying, hey, I brought you a gift.
他正在寻找一个田园般的隐居地，而我则想引诱他去那里，让他远离那些敲响地堡蜂鸣器、打开一袋袋毒品并说，嘿，我给你带来了礼物的年轻时髦人士。
It was a very constructive move, and absolutely the right thing to do.
这是一个非常有建设性的举动，而且绝对是正确的做法。
At the time, of course, we were all really pissed off that Burroughs was leaving New York.
当然，当时我们都对巴勒斯要离开纽约感到非常生气。
But god, he thrived in Kansas.
但上帝啊，他在堪萨斯州茁壮成长。
He really thrived out there.
他在那里确实茁壮成长。
I got him on methadone maintenance, and he remained on that until the end of his days, and it was very heightening for his productivity.
我让他接受美沙酮维持治疗，他一直坚持到生命的最后一刻，这极大地提高了他的工作效率。
And it needs to be difficult to see Burroughs, and it's not going to prevent people that deserve to see him from seeing him to make them come to Lawrence most times.
见到巴勒斯一定很困难，但这并不会阻止那些值得见到他的人看到他，从而让他们大多数时候都来找劳伦斯。
After all, Voltaire lived 25 years in the tiny town of Ferney in Switzerland, and the crowned heads of Europe made their way to his estate.
毕竟，伏尔泰在瑞士费内小镇生活了 25 年，欧洲的国王们都曾前往他的庄园。
We'll leave Burroughs on his methadone program in Kansas for now.
我们暂时让巴勒斯在堪萨斯州继续他的美沙酮计划。
OK, where next?
好的，下一步去哪里？
Outer space.
外层空间。
Space!
空间！
Space!
空间！
That's good.
那挺好的。
Can you just say outer space?
你能说外太空吗？
Outer space.
外层空间。
William Burroughs I am attempting to create a new mythology for the space age.
威廉·巴勒斯 我正在尝试为太空时代创造一个新的神话。
I feel that the old mythologies are definitely broken down and are not adequate at the present time.
我觉得旧的神话肯定已经被打破了，而且在现在已经不够用了。
The Nova mob, Sammy the butcher, green Tony.
新星暴民、屠夫萨米、绿色托尼。
This is the Nova trilogy, told as only Burroughs could tell it.
这是新星三部曲，只有巴勒斯才能讲述。
It depicts a space age war between the Nova police, the good guys, and the Nova mob, a band of aliens from outer space who want to enslave human beings through the virus power.
它描绘了新星警察、好人和新星暴徒之间的太空时代战争，新星暴徒是一群来自外太空的外星人，他们想通过病毒的力量奴役人类。
This is science fiction, but it is science fiction in terms of what is actually here now.
这是科幻小说，但就目前实际情况而言，这只是科幻小说。
I have Nova conspiracies, Nova police, Nova criminals.
我有新星阴谋、新星警察、新星罪犯。
The virus power manifests itself in many ways, in the construction of nuclear weapons.
病毒的力量体现在很多方面，比如核武器的制造。
This is war to extermination.
这是一场消灭战争。
In practically all the existing political systems, which are aimed at curtailing inner freedom.
几乎所有现有的政治制度都旨在限制内在自由。
The Earth is a slave planet.
地球是一个奴隶星球。
It manifests itself in the extreme drabness of everyday life in Western countries.
它表现为西方国家日常生活的极度单调。
Are these the words of the all-powerful boards, syndicates, cartels of the Earth?
这些是地球上全能的董事会、辛迪加、卡特尔的话吗？
You must learn who and what the enemy is, their weapons and methods of operation.
你必须了解敌人是谁、是什么、他们的武器和行动方法。
The alien enemy was in him.
外星敌人就在他体内。
William Burroughs Like Burroughs, that proud American name.
威廉·巴勒斯 就像巴勒斯一样，那个令人自豪的美国名字。
The enemy is in you.
敌人就在你心里。
Proud of what, exactly?
到底为什么感到骄傲？
Play it all, play it all, play it all back.
全部播放，全部播放，全部播放。
Pay it all, pay it all, pay it all back.
全部还清，全部还清，全部还清。
The key to Burroughs' obsession with power is in his own biography, his love/hate relationship with American culture, and his affluent Saint Louis upbringing.
巴勒斯对权力的痴迷的关键在于他自己的传记、他对美国文化的爱/恨关系，以及他在圣路易斯富裕的成长经历。
But before we look ahead, let's turn backward for a moment to consider how all this began.
但在我们展望未来之前，让我们先回顾一下这一切是如何开始的。
This might surprise you.
这可能会让你感到惊讶。
Radio Host It began with this, the world's first practical adding machine.
广播主持人 一切始于这台世界上第一台实用的加法机。
William Seward Burroughs invested 10 years of his brief life in its development.
William Seward Burroughs 将他短暂的一生投入了 10 年的时间来开发它。
William's namesake and grandfather invented the first mechanical adding machine.
威廉的同名者和祖父发明了第一台机械加法机。
By 1920, the Burroughs Adding Machine company is worth over $400 million.
到 1920 年，巴勒斯加法机公司的价值已超过 4 亿美元。
Oliver Harris.
奥利弗·哈里斯.
Both sides of his family tied Burroughs to pioneering capitalists in business and military computing, as the Burroughs adding machine, and also public relations.
他的家族双方都将巴勒斯与商业和军事计算领域的先锋资本家联系在一起，作为巴勒斯的加法机，以及公共关系。
His uncle, Poison Ivy Lee, was a press agent for Rockefeller and for Standard Oil.
他的叔叔毒藤李是洛克菲勒和标准石油公司的新闻代理人。
He also supposedly was going to work for Hitler, so he was your classic press agent with no values and no morals.
据说他还将为希特勒工作，所以他是典型的没有价值观和道德的新闻代理人。
That's Burroughs' ancestors, capitalists and spin doctors.
这就是巴勒斯的祖先、资本家和政治舆论专家。
I think Burroughs reacted to that in his own work.
我认为巴勒斯在他自己的作品中对此做出了反应。
The type of people that would become his enemies.
什么样的人会成为他的敌人。
Are these the words of the all-powerful boards, syndicates, cartels of the Earth?
这些是地球上全能的董事会、辛迪加、卡特尔的话吗？
Burroughs put his privileged, haute bourgeois background, his classical education, to very good use by taking it back on itself.
巴勒斯通过收回自己的特权、高级资产阶级背景和古典教育，充分利用了这些背景。
And that's really key to the work that came afterwards.
这对于后来的工作来说确实很关键。
I was born February 5, 1914 in Saint Louis, Missouri.
我于 1914 年 2 月 5 日出生于密苏里州圣路易斯。
Like Burroughs, that proud American name.
就像巴勒斯，那个令人自豪的美国名字。
Now I never felt that I really belonged at all in the whole Saint Louis social structure.
现在我从来没有觉得自己真正属于整个圣路易斯社会结构。
There was just something wrong there.
只是那里出了点问题。
Well, you can't mention Burroughs without mentioning the other members of the holy trinity.
嗯，提到巴勒斯就不能不提到神圣三位一体的其他成员。
Beep beep.
嘟嘟嘟。
On the drums, William Burroughs.
鼓手是威廉·巴勒斯。
On bass, Allen Ginsberg.
贝斯手艾伦·金斯伯格。
On the trumpet, Jack Kerouac.
吹小号的是杰克·凯鲁亚克。
I won't do that again.
我不会再这样做了。
They were a group Burroughs fit in with, pretty much.
巴勒斯非常适合他们。
Basically, he was a man without a mission at age 29, 30, when he met Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac.
基本上，当他在 29、30 岁时遇到艾伦·金斯伯格和杰克·凯鲁亚克时，他是一个没有使命的人。
They're portrayed as a merry band of artistic, smiling, laughing pranksters.
他们被描绘成一群充满艺术气息、微笑、大笑的恶作剧者。
They were all miserable.
他们都很痛苦。
These guys 13 all the time.
这些家伙一直都是13岁。
That's what I would say.
我就是这么说的。
Burroughs, Kerouac, and Ginsberg formed a triangular friendship that would become the heart of an entire literary movement.
巴勒斯、凯鲁亚克和金斯伯格形成了三角友谊，这种友谊后来成为整个文学运动的核心。
Allen Ginsberg.
艾伦·金斯伯格。
I had matzah ball soup once with Allen Ginsberg.
我有一次和艾伦·金斯伯格一起喝过无酵饼汤。
Did you?
你有吗？
Allen Ginsberg It was possible to be gay without having to be ashamed of it in that generation in that community.
艾伦·金斯伯格（Allen Ginsberg） 在那个社区的那一代人中，成为同性恋而不必为此感到羞耻是可能的。
Burroughs was gay.
巴勒斯是同性恋。
I was gay.
我是同性恋。
Kerouac was straight.
凯鲁亚克是个直人。
It was a tolerant extended New York family, hell bent on personal freedom.
这是一个宽容的纽约大家庭，一心追求个人自由。
We began experimenting-- myself, Burroughs, Kerouac, and Hunky and others with Benzedrine inhalers.
我们开始用苯丙胺吸入器进行实验——我自己、巴勒斯、凯鲁亚克、汉基和其他人。
And those were kind of interesting.
这些很有趣。
While Burroughs was wallowing in drugs and young men in Tangier, the rest of the Beat generation was in full swing.
当巴勒斯在丹吉尔沉迷于毒品和年轻人时，垮掉派一代的其他人却如火如荼地进行着。
There was no doubt about the Beat generation, at least the core of it, being a swinging group of new American men intent on joy.
毫无疑问，“垮掉的一代”，至少是其核心，是一群摇摆不定、热衷于欢乐的美国新男性。
Ginsberg's poem "Howl" was published in 1956.
金斯伯格的诗《嚎叫》发表于1956年。
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness.
我看到我这一代人中最优秀的头脑被疯狂摧毁了。
Kerouac's On the Road was published in 1957.
凯鲁亚克的《在路上》出版于1957年。
All that road going.
所有那条路都在走。
Think of Dean Moriarty.
想想迪恩·莫里亚蒂。
I even think of old Dean Moriarty, the father we never found.
我什至想起了老迪安·莫里亚蒂，我们从未找到的父亲。
Think of Dean Moriarty.
想想迪恩·莫里亚蒂。
I think of Dean Moriarty.
我想到了迪恩·莫里亚蒂。
Though Burroughs wouldn't consider himself a Beat writer, the three of them stuck together and supported each other's careers.
尽管巴勒斯不认为自己是垮掉派作家，但他们三人团结在一起，互相支持彼此的事业。
By the late '50s, they were in Paris, keeping the bohemian theme going.
到了 50 年代末，他们在巴黎继续保持波西米亚主题。
I was one of the very rare Frenchman that they knew because I'm half American and I speak English.
我是他们认识的极少数法国人之一，因为我有一半美国人血统，而且我会说英语。
And I would take them around to North African bars, mostly to buy some hash and [INAUDIBLE].
我会带他们去北非酒吧，主要是买一些哈希和[听不清]。
Their base would become known as the Beat Hotel.
他们的基地后来被称为“垮掉的酒店”。
It was a sort of paradise and hell at the same time.
这既是天堂又是地狱。
It was definitely the cheapest hotel in Paris.
这绝对是巴黎最便宜的酒店。
It wasn't very clean.
不是很干净。
And there was only one phone.
而且只有一部电话。
So when Madame Rachou, the lady who was running the place, had to call Brian, for instance, she went out into the street and said, Brian, telephone!
因此，例如，当经营这家店的女士拉乔夫人不得不打电话给布莱恩时，她走到街上说，布莱恩，电话！
And he would put on his pants and run down.
他会穿上裤子跑下来。
It was wonderful.
太棒了。
I'm David Delannet.
我是大卫·德兰内特。
I co-manage the bookstore Shakespeare and Company in Paris.
我共同经营巴黎莎士比亚书店。
What happened here is that very quickly, when this bookstore opened, it became a center for expatriates.
这里发生的事情是，当这家书店开业后，它很快就成为了外籍人士的中心。
They decided they'd do a reading here, especially for "Howl," in this room actually on the first floor of the bookstore, which is more like a lending library than a commercial space.
他们决定在这里读书，尤其是《嚎叫》，这个房间实际上位于书店一楼，这里更像是一个借阅图书馆，而不是一个商业空间。
And at the end of the reading, Burroughs did a reading of a work in progress, which was at the time the Naked Lunch.
在朗读结束时，巴勒斯朗读了一部正在进行中的作品，当时的作品是《裸体午餐》。
I just want to rub up against you and get fixed.
我只想与你擦肩而过并得到解决。
Ugh, well, all right, but why can't you just get physical like a human?
呃，好吧，但是你为什么不能像人类一样身体健康呢？
Right, we're on sex.
是的，我们正在做爱。
Iggy Pop Yeah.
伊吉·波普 是的。
Naked Lunch oozes sex.
裸体午餐充满了性。
Seems like a good time to get libidinal.
似乎是获得性欲的好时机。
He didn't start life with any insecurity about whether his desires were legitimate.
他一开始就对自己的愿望是否合法没有任何不安全感。
James Grauerholz.
詹姆斯·格劳尔霍尔兹.
James Grauerholz So I'm sure it came as a great shock to him when he realized that his interest in other boys sexually was a great horror and either a crime or a sin, an illness, or all three.
詹姆斯·格劳尔霍兹（James Grauerholz）所以，当他意识到自己对其他男孩的性兴趣是一种巨大的恐惧，并且要么是犯罪，要么是罪恶，要么是疾病，或者三者兼而有之时，我确信这对他来说是一个巨大的震惊。
The spindly, sickly looking teenage Burroughs was sent to Los Alamos Ranch School in New Mexico.
身材瘦长、看上去病恹恹的少年巴勒斯被送到新墨西哥州的洛斯阿拉莫斯牧场学校。
Where they later made the atom bomb.
他们后来在那里制造了原子弹。
It seems so right, somehow, like the school song, far away and high on the mesa's crest.
不知怎的，这似乎是那么正确，就像校歌一样，在遥远而高耸的平顶山上。
Here's the life that all of us love the best.
这就是我们所有人最喜欢的生活。
And in his diary, apparently, he entered his emotions and feelings and factual accounts of sexual contacts with at least one other boy at the ranch school.
显然，他在日记中记录了自己的情绪和感受，以及与牧场学校至少一名其他男孩发生性接触的事实记录。
The boy with whom he had some involvement turned on him and outed him and pointed at him, and he became ostracized and black balled.
那个和他有关系的男孩转向他，揭发他并指着他，他被排斥和黑了。
He contacted his parents and got himself yanked out of school on some medical pretext within 48 hours.
他联系了父母，并在 48 小时内以某种医疗借口将自己从学校退学。
But his belongings didn't go home to Saint Louis with him.
但他的物品并没有随他一起回到圣路易斯的家。
They had to be packed and shipped, including the diary.
它们必须被包装和运输，包括日记。
I used to turn cold, thinking maybe the boys are reading it aloud to each other.
我曾经感到很冷，心想也许男孩们正在互相大声朗读。
When the box finally arrived, I pried it open and threw everything out without even a glance at those appalling pages.
当盒子终于到达时，我把它撬开，把所有东西都扔了出去，甚至没有看那些令人震惊的页面。
That was to put me off writing for many years.
这让我很多年都没有写作。
And he never really tried to write again until 1950.
直到 1950 年他才真正尝试过写作。
After Harvard and medical school in Vienna, Burroughs ended up in New York and met his first boyfriend, who would loudly cheat on him while William listened through a thin wall.
从哈佛和维也纳医学院毕业后，巴勒斯最终来到纽约，遇到了他的第一个男朋友，他会大声地欺骗他，而威廉则隔着一堵薄墙听着。
To retaliate, he cut off the top joint of his left little finger with poultry shears.
为了报复，他用家禽剪剪掉了左手小指的顶部关节。
I think on Wikipedia, they say I'm widely acknowledged to be the last lover of William Burroughs.
我想在维基百科上，他们说我被广泛认为是威廉·巴勒斯的最后一个情人。
But I'm not-- I'm not sure what scholarship that's based on.
但我不知道这是基于什么奖学金。
In the late '80s, Burroughs met Marcus Ewert.
八十年代末，巴勒斯遇到了马库斯·埃沃特。
He was 18.
他18岁。
William was 74.
威廉74岁。
So I arrived at the bunker.
于是我就到达了掩体。
It's like 2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon.
好像是下午2:00或3:00。
And William is showing me all these different things on his desk, like a scorpion and a paperweight and some old dented bullets that had some story attached to them.
威廉向我展示了他桌子上所有这些不同的东西，比如蝎子、镇纸和一些旧的有凹痕的子弹，上面有一些故事。
And then I was like, oh wait.
然后我就想，哦等等。
He's nervous.
他很紧张。
I think finally we sit on the edge of the bed.
我想我们终于坐在了床边。
He's sitting about half a foot away from me, and we're not talking.
他坐在离我大约半英尺的地方，我们没有说话。
It's very, very quiet.
非常非常安静。
And then he moves his hand slowly onto my knee, and he takes the big leap.
然后他慢慢地将手移到我的膝盖上，然后他迈出了一大步。
And then I reach over and put my hand on his knee.
然后我伸出手，把手放在他的膝盖上。
I give his knee a little squeeze.
我轻轻挤压他的膝盖。
And then I threw my arm around him and kind of pulled him into me, like come here, you little William Burroughs, you.
然后我用手臂搂住他，把他拉进我身边，就像过来一样，你这个小威廉·巴勒斯。
So at the very end of this sexual experience, the very first one in the bunker, he came.
所以在这次性经历的最后，也就是地堡里的第一个性经历，他来了。
And I think I came too.
我想我也来了。
And he said, "Oh, that was great.
他说：“哦，那太好了。
That was the first time that's happened in years."
这是多年来第一次发生这种情况。”
Marcus kept up the relationship in William's Kansas years.
马库斯在威廉在堪萨斯的那几年一直保持着这种关系。
We're getting into bed, and I'm sticking my legs down under the covers.
我们上床睡觉，我把腿伸进被子里。
There's this bump that my legs feel.
我的腿感觉到有一个肿块。
And I'm like, "Oh, what's this hard thing my legs are bumping against, William?" And he said, "Oh, that's the gun." I said, "Is it a loaded gun?" He said, "Of course it's loaded." You'd sleep with a lover with a loaded gun in your bed.
我想，“哦，威廉，我的腿撞到的这个硬东西是什么？”他说：“哦，那就是枪。”我说：“这是一把上了膛的枪吗？”他说：“当然是加载了。”你会和一个情人睡觉，床上放着一把上膛的枪。
That's kind of a metaphor waiting to happen.
这是一个等待发生的隐喻。
A hum of sex and commerce shakes the soul like a vast hive.
性和商业的嗡嗡声像一个巨大的蜂巢一样震动着灵魂。
I had been occluded from space time like an eel's ass occludes when he stops eating on the way to Saragasso.
我被时空遮挡住了，就像鳗鱼在去萨拉加索的路上停止进食时屁股被遮挡一样。
The heat was on me from here on out, to a landlocked junk past where heroin is always $28 an ounce, and you can score for yen pox in the chink laundry of Sioux Falls.
从现在开始，我的热度就在我身上，到了一个内陆的垃圾过去，那里的海洛因总是每盎司 28 美元，你可以在苏福尔斯的垃圾洗衣店里买到日元痘。
A naked lunch, it sounds like a Gwyneth Paltrow cooking special.
一顿裸体午餐，听起来就像格温妮丝·帕特洛的烹饪特辑。
I know.
我知道。
Iggy Pop Yes I'm having a wonderful naked lunch with my children named after vegetables, and we're all so-- everything's beautiful.
Iggy Pop 是的，我正在和我的孩子们一起享用一顿美妙的裸体午餐，这些午餐以蔬菜命名，我们都很——一切都很美丽。
Pass the money.
把钱传过去。
Eventually, the book was Burroughs' biggest success.
最终，这本书成为巴勒斯最大的成功。
Naked Lunch .
裸体午餐。
What better title could that be?
还有什么更好的标题呢？
Could you go into a store and say, "Excuse me, do you have Naked Lunch ?" No wonder it was a best seller.
你能走进一家商店说：“请问，你们有裸体午餐吗？”难怪它是畅销书。
In 1962, Naked Lunch was banned in Boston for obscenity, a decision that was reversed by the Massachusetts Supreme Court in '66.
1962 年，《裸体午餐》因淫秽内容在波士顿被禁，这一决定于 66 年被马萨诸塞州最高法院推翻。
It was the last literary censorship trial in the United States.
这是美国最后一次文学审查审判。
John Waters.
约翰·沃特斯.
And it got banned.
它被禁止了。
That always really helped.
这总是很有帮助。
And because it was experimental in the real sense of the word, it was hallucinary.
因为它是真正意义上的实验性的，所以它是幻觉的。
The brain, front, middle, and rear, must follow the adenoid, the wisdom tooth, the appendix.
大脑，前、中、后，必须跟随腺样体、智齿、阑尾。
You know, people hadn't had hallucinations yet.
要知道，人们还没有产生幻觉。
They hadn't taken drugs.
他们没有吸毒。
So they read this, and it was like, wow.
所以他们读了这篇文章，感觉就像，哇。
I give you my master work, the complete all-American deanxietized man.
我给你我的杰作，一个完全美国式的消除焦虑的男人。
And it scared people, and it delighted people, and it was like no other book anybody had ever written.
它让人们害怕，又让人们高兴，这与任何人写过的其他书都不一样。
And that always works.
这总是有效的。
The man wriggles.
男人扭动着。
His flesh turns to a viscous, transparent jelly that drifts away in green mists, unveiling a monster black centipede.
他的肉变成了粘稠的透明果冻，在绿色的雾气中飘走，露出了一只怪物般的黑色蜈蚣。
Wait.
等待。
We haven't even mentioned Joan yet.
我们甚至还没有提到琼。
OK, it's time to talk about how Burroughs shot his wife.
好吧，是时候谈谈巴勒斯是如何枪杀他妻子的了。
My name is Kathleen Gray.
我叫凯瑟琳·格雷。
I met William in 1974, and I knew him for 23 years.
我在 1974 年认识了威廉，我们认识他已有 23 年了。
In the '70s, artist Kathleen Gray invited Burroughs to give a talk in New Mexico.
七十年代，艺术家凯瑟琳·格雷邀请巴勒斯到新墨西哥州发表演讲。
She asked him a couple questions.
她问了他几个问题。
What is your attitude towards women?
你对女性的态度是什么？
And he said, "I killed the only woman I ever loved." We just stared at each other for possibly a full minute.
他说：“我杀了我唯一爱过的女人。”我们就这样盯着对方看了整整一分钟。
Then he started to sob, and I just held him.
然后他开始抽泣，我只是抱着他。
And he was crying.
他在哭。
And then he was whispering how much he loved her, how she'd actually saved his life on a couple of occasions.
然后他低声说他有多爱她，她有几次实际上救了他的命。
I don't know if there was ever an hour that went by without him thinking about it and his regret at what had happened.
我不知道他是否有一个小时没有想到这件事，也没有对所发生的事情感到后悔。
In 1946, Burroughs met Joan Vollmer through Ginsberg.
1946年，巴勒斯通过金斯伯格认识了琼·沃尔默。
Jack and I decided that Joan and Bill would make a great couple, that they were a match for each other, fit for each other, equally tuned and equally witty and equally intelligent, equally well read.
杰克和我认为琼和比尔会成为一对很棒的情侣，他们彼此匹配，彼此适合，同样调和，同样机智，同样聪明，同样博学。
It wasn't uncommon for gay men to marry women then.
那时，男同性恋者与女性结婚并不罕见。
One time, she said, "Well, you're supposed to be a faggot, but you're as good as a pimp in bed." Well, I thought this was nonsense, and I still do.
有一次，她说：“好吧，你应该是个基佬，但在床上你就像个皮条客。”好吧，我认为这是无稽之谈，现在仍然如此。
Joan was into Benzedrine.
琼喜欢苯丙胺。
William was, of course, into heroin.
威廉当然沉迷于海洛因。
In New York, he began dealing and stealing from drunks on the subway to finance his habit.
在纽约，他开始在地铁上向醉汉进行交易和偷窃，以维持他的习惯。
Oliver Harris.
奥利弗·哈里斯.
He went to Mexico City in late '49.
49 年底他去了墨西哥城。
It was the perfect place for Burroughs.
对于巴勒斯来说，这是一个完美的地方。
He could be a queer.
他可能是个酷儿。
He could be a heroin addict.
他可能是一名海洛因成瘾者。
And it didn't matter because he could still flaunt the privileges of being an American abroad.
但这并不重要，因为他仍然可以在国外炫耀作为美国人的特权。
And in a way, it did him a lot of good to unleash a dark side of him, which was crucial to his becoming a great writer.
在某种程度上，释放自己的阴暗面对他有很大好处，这对他成为一名伟大的作家至关重要。
Joan was not making it with Bill, and I was a little irritated with him.
琼和比尔相处不好，我对他有点恼火。
Bill had been off with a young friend.
比尔和一位年轻朋友出去了。
That day, I knew something awful was going to happen.
那天，我知道有可怕的事情要发生。
I remember I was working down the street, and tears started just streaming down my face.
我记得我当时正在街上工作，泪水从我的脸上流下来。
Well, if that happens to you, watch out, baby.
好吧，如果这种事发生在你身上，小心点，宝贝。
The "something bad" happened at a party they went to that night.
“糟糕的事情”发生在他们那天晚上参加的一个聚会上。
James Grauerholz.
詹姆斯·格劳尔霍尔兹。
It appears to me clear that Joan was teasing him or taunting him.
在我看来，琼显然是在戏弄他或嘲笑他。
And there's the boyfriend, secretly, known to Joan.
还有琼秘密认识的男朋友。
And evidently, he said, "We're going to move to the deep jungle in South America.
显然，他说，“我们将搬到南美洲的丛林深处。
That way, I'll kick my habit." And she apparently said something like, "How will we survive?" "Oh, I'll shoot wild boars and game." And she said, "Oh, with your marksmanship, we'll starve to death." And he says, "Oh, well why don't we show the boys what kind of a shot old Bill really is?"
这样我就能改掉这个习惯。”她显然说了类似这样的话：“我们将如何生存？” “哦，我会射野猪和猎物。”她说：“哦，以你的枪法，我们会饿死的。”他说：“哦，那我们为什么不让孩子们看看老比尔到底是怎样的一个神枪手呢？”
Then I said to Joan, it's about time for our William Tell act.
然后我对琼说，现在是我们的威廉泰尔表演的时候了。
And she put a glass on her head.
她把一个玻璃杯放在头上。
I fired the shot.
我开枪了。
The glass hadn't been touched.
玻璃没有被碰过。
Joan started sliding down towards the floor.
琼开始滑向地板。
Then Marcus said-- walked over and took one look at her.
然后马库斯说——走过去看了她一眼。
He said, "Billy, your bullet just hit her forehead." I said, "Oh my god."
他说：“比利，你的子弹刚刚击中了她的额头。”我说：“天哪。”
Had you done the William Tell thing before?
你以前做过威廉泰尔的事吗？
Never.
绝不。
Just an absolute piece of insanity.
这绝对是一种疯狂。
When I first heard about it way back when, the cynical view, well of course, what a great place to do it.
当我第一次听说这件事时，我很愤世嫉俗，当然，这是一个多么好的地方啊。
You get away with it down there.
你在那儿就可以逃脱惩罚。
But upon reflection, I would say this.
但经过深思熟虑，我会这么说。
When you've been drinking, drugging, or doping, there's something that kicks in that involves a disregard for human life.
当你酗酒、吸毒或服用兴奋剂时，就会产生一种对人命的漠视。
Yes, there sure is.
是的，肯定有。
He called it ugly spirit, or whatever.
他称其为丑陋的灵魂，或者其他什么。
And so it may lead your hand in a bad way.
因此它可能会导致你的手牌走向不良。
Do I think that he was in any way consciously thinking at that moment, "Well, this is a good chance.
我是否认为他在那一刻有意识地想：“嗯，这是一个好机会。
Maybe I'll miss." No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not this person.
也许我会想念。”不，不，不，不，不，不，不。不是这个人。
Will Self has an opinion.
威尔·塞尔夫有一个意见。
Will Self Well, Burroughs murdered his wife.
威尔·塞夫 好吧，巴勒斯谋杀了他的妻子。
And that's not necessarily a fashionable or accepted view.
这不一定是一种时尚或被接受的观点。
When I wrote a new introduction to the Penguin Modern Classic of Junkie, I had a very close look at it again.
当我为《企鹅现代经典迷》写一篇新的介绍时，我又仔细地看了一遍。
I had a cold case investigation.
我有一个悬案调查。
And I simply do not think you can rule out the very strong possibility, or indeed likelihood, that there was some element of intentionality involved in him aiming a loaded gun at his wife's head when she had a shot glass on top of it, a gun that he knew to be inaccurate.
我只是不认为你可以排除一种非常强烈的可能性，或者确实是可能性，即他用一把装满子弹的枪瞄准他妻子的头部，而她的头上放着一个玻璃杯，他知道这把枪是不准确的，这涉及到某种故意因素。
Either way, the apologists for Burroughs who say it was a dreadful accident and so forth are just like the apologists for Burroughs that there are in every area.
不管怎样，巴勒斯的辩护者说这是一次可怕的事故等等，就像每个地区都有的巴勒斯辩护者一样。
And what we call apologists in the addiction world are enablers.
在成瘾世界中，我们所说的辩护者是推动者。
And I think that enabling somebody to escape the reality of their homicidal actions is probably the worst kind of enabling you can engage in.
我认为，让某人逃避其杀人行为的现实可能是你可以从事的最糟糕的一种帮助。
Enabling his addiction is almost besides the point.
让他上瘾几乎不是重点。
Burroughs wrote Queer while he was awaiting trial.
巴勒斯在等待审判期间创作了《酷儿》。
In the introduction, he wrote, "I am forced to the appalling conclusion that I would never have become a writer but for Joan's death.
在引言中，他写道：“我被迫得出一个令人震惊的结论：如果不是琼的死，我永远不会成为一名作家。
The death of Joan brought me into contact with the invader, the ugly spirit, and maneuvered me into a lifelong struggle in which I had no choice except to write my way out."
琼的死让我接触到了入侵者、丑陋的灵魂，并引导我陷入了终生的斗争，除了写下自己的出路之外，我别无选择。”
When he talked about writing his way out of it, I think that in order for his recognition as a writer to exceed his notoriety as an uxoricide, he had to become a really good writer.
当他谈到如何通过写作摆脱困境时，我认为，为了让他作为一名作家的知名度超越他作为弑君者的恶名，他必须成为一名真正优秀的作家。
That's what I mean by write his way out of it.
这就是我所说的通过写作摆脱困境的意思。
Well, I'd rather have the woman than the books.
好吧，我宁愿要女人，也不要书。
I mean, I think that's-- the artistic defense only really cuts any ice with the kind of enablers.
我的意思是，我认为艺术防御只能通过这种推动因素才能真正解决问题。
All right.
好的。
I'm going to take a break here.
我要在这里休息一下。
Take 5 or 10 minutes, and I'll be back.
等5到10分钟，我就回来。
You can cut up the sentences or put them all together.
您可以将句子剪断或将它们放在一起。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up project.
切割项目。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up project.
切割项目。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up montage.
剪辑蒙太奇。
Iggy, what do you think?
伊吉，你觉得怎么样？
I don't know what that is.
我不知道那是什么。
Cut ups after the break.
休息后进行剪辑。
Yes, you are still listening to This American Life from WBEZ Chicago.
是的，您仍在收听 WBEZ 芝加哥的《This American Life》。
That is in a minute when our program continues.
一会儿我们的节目就继续了。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, Burroughs 101.
今天我们的节目是 Burroughs 101。
This week, the writer William Burroughs would've been 101 years old.
本周，作家威廉·巴勒斯 (William Burroughs) 就迎来了 101 岁生日。
He died in 1997 at the age of 83.
他于1997年去世，享年83岁。
We are marking the birthday with this great documentary made for BBC Radio Four a year ago on his 100th birthday.
一年前，我们为庆祝他的 100 岁生日，为 BBC 第四广播电台制作了一部精彩的纪录片来庆祝他的生日。
Iggy Pop narrates.
伊吉·波普讲述。
We pick up with Cut Ups.
我们选择 Cut Ups。
So can you tell me just what do you make of the cut up method?
那么你能告诉我你对切割方法有何看法吗？
How different is the cut up method really from what they used to call the magic eight ball?
这种切割方法与他们过去所说的神奇八球有什么不同？
Do you know what that is?
你知道那是什么吗？
Or a Ouija board.
或者显灵板。
It's a Ouija board for art people, is what it is.
这是一个为艺术人士设计的显灵板，就是这样。
Language is a virus.
语言是一种病毒。
Language is a virus.
语言是一种病毒。
Virus is a language human scummery control is a virus.
病毒是语言，人渣控制就是病毒。
Language control the virus.
语言控制病毒。
Language is a virus.
语言是一种病毒。
Power and the things that we want to express using a language are not as interesting, as useful, or as dynamic as things that the language could say itself, if only you would let the language talk.
权力和我们想要用语言表达的东西并不像语言本身所能表达的那样有趣、有用或动态，只要你让语言说话。
The pretenses don't have much weight if you just give them a little push.
只要稍微推一下，假装就没有多大分量。
But that was what I took the cut up to be, basically.
但这基本上就是我所认为的剪辑方式。
Brion Gysin was living with William Burroughs at the time in the Beat Hotel in Paris.
布里昂·吉辛（Brion Gysin）当时与威廉·巴勒斯（William Burroughs）住在巴黎的比特酒店（Beat Hotel）。
One way Burroughs would describe him as "the only man I ever respected."
巴勒斯将他描述为“我唯一尊敬的人”。
It's while he was doing his artwork that he discovered the cut up.
当他创作艺术作品时，他发现了这个剪裁。
It occurred because I had a number of sheets of newspaper, and I took a Stanley blade and cut through them, and little bits and pieces looked so amusing to me that I started jiggling them around as one would in a collage.
发生这种情况是因为我有很多张报纸，我拿了一把斯坦利刀片把它们切开，一些小碎片对我来说看起来很有趣，所以我开始像拼贴画一样摇晃它们。
And he showed it to William Burroughs, and Burroughs immediately started using that technique.
他向威廉·巴勒斯展示了它，巴勒斯立即开始使用该技术。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up.
切起来。
Cut up created a new way of writing a novel.
Cut up 创造了一种新的小说写作方式。
To help explain, we'll need a true Burroughs obsessive.
为了帮助解释，我们需要一个真正的巴勒斯迷。
When I see Naked Lunch in a charity shop or a junk shop on the shelf, I don't want it to be there on its own.
当我在慈善商店或旧货店的货架上看到裸体午餐时，我不希望它单独存在。
I just want to bring it home to daddy.
我只是想把它带回家给爸爸。
Burroughsian, Ian MacFayden.
巴勒斯，伊恩·麦克费登。
Ian Macfayden The cut up books contain within themselves the descriptions of the methods of their own creation.
伊恩·麦克费登（Ian Macfayden）这些剪裁的书籍本身包含了对其创作方法的描述。
This is a technique.
这是一种技巧。
And like any technique, it will of course be useful to some writers and not to others.
与任何技术一样，它当然对某些作家有用，而对其他人则不然。
What is produced is uncanny.
产生的东西是不可思议的。
You read through it.
你读完它。
You read underneath it.
你读一下下面的内容。
You get the back of the mask.
你得到面具的背面。
These colorless sheets are empty.
这些无色的纸是空的。
You ever existed at all.
你曾经存在过。
Goodbye to William.
再见威廉。
He used the cut up technique as a way of examining the media.
他使用剪切技术作为检查媒体的一种方式。
Then police keep all boardroom reports, and we are not allowed to proffer the disaster accounts.
然后警察保留所有董事会报告，并且我们不被允许提供灾难账目。
Discourses of the police, of government, of authority, but also the gibbering voice inside each of us.
警察、政府、权威的话语，还有我们每个人内心胡言乱语的声音。
Oh my god, show them how ugly the ugly American can be.
天哪，让他们看看丑陋的美国人有多丑陋。
Which frustrated Burroughs throughout his life.
这让巴勒斯一生都感到沮丧。
Me, I am looking around.
我，我环顾四周。
And the more I look, the less I like what I see.
我看得越多，我就越不喜欢我所看到的。
Burroughs wrote The Soft Machine , The Ticket That Exploded, and Nova Express using cut up.
巴勒斯使用 cut up 创作了《软机器》、《爆炸票》和《新星快车》。
It's not just the writing which was well known.
众所周知的不仅仅是写作。
Oliver Harris.
奥利弗·哈里斯.
Oliver Harris It was the photo montages, the tapes, the artwork.
奥利弗·哈里斯 这是照片蒙太奇、磁带和艺术品。
Rather than cut up being a dead end, it was incredibly-- it proliferated, overran expectations and possibilities.
它并没有成为一条死胡同，而是令人难以置信——它激增，超出了预期和可能性。
Now, here are some tapes which Brion made with all the technical facilities of the BBC in London.
现在，以下是布里昂利用伦敦 BBC 的所有技术设备制作的一些磁带。
And they show, I think, what can be done with the human voice and one phrase.
我认为，它们展示了用人声和一个短语可以做什么。
All actors.
所有演员。
Calling all-- calling all reactive agents.
呼叫所有——呼叫所有反应性座席。
Calling all active agents re.
重新召集所有活跃的特工。
Calling all active agents re.
重新召集所有活跃的特工。
Calling all active re agents.
呼叫所有活跃的代理人。
Calling.
打电话。
All agents reactive.
所有代理均具有反应性。
Calling all re agents active.
激活所有试剂。
I'm also working on a short film with Mr. Anthony Balch, Towers, Open Fire.
我还在与 Anthony Balch 先生合作制作一部短片《Towers, Open Fire》。
Who are you?
你是谁？
Bill I'm Bill, who are you?
比尔 我是比尔，你是谁？
I'm in London.
我在伦敦。
Man The total taste is here.
男人全部的味道都在这里。
Have a happy-- have a happ--
祝你幸福——祝你幸福——
Is this machine recording?
这台机器有录音吗？
Is this machine recording?
这台机器有录音吗？
Is this machine recording?
这台机器有录音吗？
Johnson, addressing a meeting of editorial cartoonists of the White House, once held three maids at gunpoint and proceeded to ransack the apartment.
约翰逊在白宫社论漫画家会议上发表讲话时，曾用枪指着三名女仆，然后开始洗劫公寓。
The cut up project was, in Burroughs' own terms, a disastrous success in the sense that it was impossible.
用巴勒斯自己的话来说，这个被分割的项目是一次灾难性的成功，因为它是不可能的。
But they have something which is ferocious about them, and yet very funny.
但他们有一些凶猛的一面，但又很有趣。
They're experimental.
他们是实验性的。
They're obscene.
他们很淫秽。
They're political.
他们是政治性的。
They're spiritual, a great call to arms against the 1%, who, in his view, were screwing the planet.
它们是精神性的，是反对 1% 的人的伟大号召，在他看来，这些人正在破坏地球。
With the '60s hippies transforming into '70s punks, the Burroughs effect multiplied.
随着 60 年代的嬉皮士转变为 70 年代的朋克，巴勒斯效应成倍增加。
Why do you think the punks found such an affinity for Burroughs?
你认为朋克们为何对巴勒斯如此着迷？
There's this undercurrent of, all this shit is a bunch of shit.
有一股暗流，所有这些狗屎都是一堆狗屎。
You people are a bunch of shit.
你们这些人就是一群狗屎。
I don't have to respect the shit out of your-- a disrespect.
我不需要尊重你的——这是一种不尊重。
This is the what I do cut ups.
这就是我所做的剪辑。
I don't know if it's like the way Brion Gysin does his or Burroughs does his.
我不知道这是否像布里昂·吉辛（Brion Gysin）或巴勒斯（Burroughs）那样。
I don't know.
我不知道。
But this is the way I do it.
但这就是我的做法。
David Bowie.
大卫·鲍伊。
David Bowie What I've used it for more than anything else is igniting anything that might be in my imagination.
David Bowie 我用它最重要的用途就是点燃我的想象力。
And you can often come up with very interesting attitudes to look into.
你常常可以想出非常有趣的态度来研究。
Burroughs is now affecting everyone, all the big names.
巴勒斯现在影响着每一个人，所有的大人物。
Musicians, artists, hipsters, they all love him.
音乐家、艺术家、潮人，他们都爱他。
And for once, it's back home in America.
这一次，它回到了美国。
That's my swift cover voice.
这是我快速的掩护声音。
It was a wonderful time.
那是一段美好的时光。
Don't forget, we just got rid of Nixon.
别忘了，我们刚刚摆脱了尼克松。
New York City, 1974.
纽约市，1974 年。
David Bowie It was a whole rebirth of this sensibility because the Nixon administration had tried really hard and quite effectively to destroy the counterculture.
大卫·鲍伊 这是这种情感的全面重生，因为尼克松政府非常努力且非常有效地摧毁了反主流文化。
And so Burroughs' return was almost seen as the king returns to take his throne now that the evil king has fallen.
因此，巴勒斯的回归几乎被视为邪恶国王倒台后国王重新夺回王位。
Burroughs was the king of the underground.
巴勒斯是地下音乐之王。
Victor Bockris was then a journalist and close associate of Andy Warhol and Burroughs.
维克多·博克里斯当时是一名记者，也是安迪·沃霍尔和巴勒斯的亲密伙伴。
I remember a great scene at the St. Mark's Poetry Project.
我记得圣马可诗歌项目中的一个精彩场景。
Patti Smith on stage in '74 finishing a reading by saying, "Guess who moved back to New York?
74 年，帕蒂·史密斯 (Patti Smith) 在舞台上完成朗诵时说道：“猜猜谁搬回了纽约？
William Burroughs.
威廉·巴勒斯.
Isn't that great?" And I thought at that moment, "How wonderful." Because this new, vibrant movement of punk is not going to try and kill its fathers, but it's going to actually welcome them and salute them on their way to their own success.
那不是很好吗？”那一刻我想：“太棒了。”因为这场新的、充满活力的朋克运动不会试图杀死它的父辈，但它会真正欢迎他们，并向他们致敬，让他们走上自己的成功之路。
Not long after he settled in New York, William met the most important person in his late American career, James Grauerholz.
定居纽约后不久，威廉遇到了他美国晚期职业生涯中最重要的人詹姆斯·格劳尔霍尔兹。
James was 21.
詹姆斯21岁。
Burroughs was 60.
巴勒斯 60 岁。
So James had come to offer his services to me as a secretary.
所以詹姆斯来为我提供秘书服务。
Ginsberg.
金斯伯格。
Allen Ginsberg And I was hoping lover because he was kind of cute.
艾伦·金斯伯格（Allen Ginsberg）和我希望是情人，因为他有点可爱。
He was 21, 20.
他当时21岁、20岁。
And Bill had just come back, and I was worried about Bill getting straight.
比尔刚刚回来，我担心比尔会恢复正常。
So I said, OK, if you want to be my secretary, the first thing to do is go down and see Burroughs.
所以我说，好吧，如果你想当我的秘书，首先要做的就是下去见巴勒斯。
I went up and met him.
我上去见了他。
We had some drinks, and within a week or so, he invited me to move in with him.
我们喝了一些酒，大约一周后，他邀请我搬去和他一起住。
And I did roommate with him and sleep with him for about six weeks.
我和他做了室友，并和他一起睡了大约六个星期。
And then I met someone closer to my own age whom I moved in with.
然后我遇到了一个与我年龄相近的人，并和我住在一起。
I told William, if we can be friends, I think we can be friends for life.
我告诉威廉，如果我们可以成为朋友，我想我们可以成为一生的朋友。
Little did I know.
我对此一无所知。
James was William's manager for the rest of his life.
詹姆斯一生都是威廉的经纪人。
I was his reader, his audience, the person who couldn't wait to see what he had written, to go over it with him, to discuss it with him, to bring him more things to write the next part of it.
我是他的读者，他的听众，迫不及待地想看他写的东西，和他一起复习，和他讨论，给他带来更多东西来写下一部分的人。
I was the one who cared what he had spent the day doing.
我是那个关心他这一天做了什么的人。
Grauerholz organized public readings for Burroughs.
格劳尔霍尔茨为巴勒斯组织公共读书会。
The young punks crowded in to see their long lost crazy uncle.
年轻的小混混们纷纷涌进来，想看看他们失散多年的疯狂叔叔。
It all climaxed with the Nova Convention.
这一切在诺瓦大会上达到了高潮。
This is the Nova Convention.
这就是新星大会。
Welcome to the Nova Convention.
欢迎来到诺瓦大会。
This is a test.
这是一个测试。
The Nova Convention was a very important event in New York.
新星大会是纽约的一次非常重要的活动。
It was the first time which was a public meeting where all the elements of the Beat punk generation came together.
这是第一次将垮掉派朋克一代的所有元素聚集在一起的公开会议。
LadiesFRANK and gentlemen, William Burroughs.
弗兰克女士们，先生们，威廉·巴勒斯。
[APPLAUSE] William Burroughs This is the Space Age, and we are here to go.
[掌声] William Burroughs 现在是太空时代，我们即将出发。
Only those who are willing to leave everything they've ever known in time need apply.
只有那些愿意及时放弃他们所知道的一切的人才能申请。
And the people who organized it tried to invite a number of artists from different mediums, such as Patti Smith.
组织者试图邀请一些来自不同媒介的艺术家，比如帕蒂·史密斯。
Keith Richards was supposed to be involved.
基思·理查兹本来应该参与其中。
Frank Zappa came to it.
弗兰克·扎帕来了。
All sorts of people came.
各种各样的人都来了。
Just setting up for the great Frank Zappa.
刚刚为伟大的弗兰克·扎帕做准备。
Did I ever tell you about the man who taught his asshole to talk?
我有没有告诉过你那个教他混蛋说话的人？
William was one of the first people that ever branded himself, before there was such a word as that, by how he looked, how he talked, how he baited people.
威廉是第一批给自己打上烙印的人之一，在这个词出现之前，他通过他的外表、他的谈话方式、他如何引诱人们。
He was almost predictable in his macabre sense of humor.
他那令人毛骨悚然的幽默感几乎是可以预见的。
But it wasn't a lie.
但这不是谎言。
William really was like that.
威廉确实就是这样的人。
I mean, I think he was like that when nobody was there too.
我的意思是，我想当没人在场的时候他就是这样的。
I don't think it was an act.
我不认为这是一种行为。
But at the same time, he lent himself very well to fame.
但与此同时，他也为自己赢得了名声。
In 1981, William appeared on Saturday Night Live , graciously introduced by the actress Lauren Hutton.
1981年，威廉在女演员劳伦·赫顿的介绍下出现在《周六夜现场》中。
I'm very pleased tonight to introduce a man who, in my opinion, is the greatest living writer in America.
今晚我很高兴向大家介绍一位在我看来是美国在世的最伟大作家的人。
In his first television appearance ever, here is Mr. William Burroughs.
这是威廉·巴勒斯先生第一次在电视上露面。
[APPLAUSE] William Burroughs Doctor Benway ships doctor drunkenly added two inches to a four inch incision with one stroke of his scalpel.
[掌声] 威廉·伯勒斯 本威医生醉酒后用手术刀一刀将四英寸的切口增加了两英寸。
"Perhaps the appendix is already out, doctor," the nurse said, peering dubiously over his shoulder.
“也许阑尾已经取出来了，医生，”护士一边说，一边疑惑地越过他的肩膀。
I saw a little scar.
我看到了一点伤疤。
The appendix out?
阑尾出来了？
I'm taking the appendix out.
我要把阑尾取出来
What do you think I'm doing here?
你认为我在这里做什么？
He lifts the abdominal wall and searches along the incision, dropping ashes from his cigarette.
他掀起腹壁，沿着切口搜寻，滴下烟灰。
100 million views, laughter, respect, a literary halo.
1亿浏览量，笑声，尊重，文学光环。
We're getting into the cat section.
我们要进入猫部分了。
It's almost like, all right, we got to the point where Burroughs is at his height.
好吧，我们几乎已经达到了巴勒斯的巅峰状态。
It's almost like we should stop there, but we're not.
似乎我们应该就此打住，但我们没有。
Oh, what haven't we covered yet?
哦，我们还没有讲到什么？
Hate.
恨。
Cats.
猫。
Right.
正确的。
We're getting into the cat section now.
我们现在进入猫部分。
And the good news is, it's the last section.
好消息是，这是最后一部分。
Evidence indicates that cats were first tamed in Egypt.
有证据表明，猫首先在埃及被驯服。
The Egyptians stored grain, which attracted rodents, which attracted cats.
埃及人储存粮食，这吸引了啮齿动物，进而吸引了猫。
I postulate that cats started as psychic companions, as familiars, and have never deviated from this function.
我假设猫最初是作为心灵伴侣、熟悉的人，并且从未偏离过这一功能。
Do you like cats?
你喜欢猫吗？
Iggy Pop I do like cats.
Iggy Pop 我确实喜欢猫。
I feed so many cats that I'm a little bit pissed off at them right now because I spend a lot of time and money feeding them all the time.
我喂养了很多猫，现在我对它们有点生气，因为我一直花了很多时间和金钱来喂养它们。
What they do, the way they get me to feed them, and my wife too-- I feed them here and in the islands.
他们所做的事情，他们让我喂养他们的方式，还有我的妻子——我在这里和岛上喂养他们。
They just come and stare at you.
他们只是过来盯着你看。
I find this desperate attempt to win a human protector deeply moving.
我发现这种为赢得人类保护者而进行的绝望尝试深深地感动了我。
The cat does not offer services.
猫不提供服务。
The cat offers itself.
猫提供了自己。
He has this line where he just says, cats give you themselves.
他有这样一句话，他只是说，猫给了你自己。
That's a deep line.
那是一条很深的线。
In one of his last books, The Cat Inside , William writes about some of the many cats he owned, like Ruskie, Ginger, and Calico.
威廉在他最后的一本书中，《内心的猫》中，描述了他拥有的众多猫中的一些，比如鲁斯基、金杰和卡利科。
Burroughs' young lover Marcus visited him.
巴勒斯的年轻情人马库斯来看望他。
I think he had at least six cats while I was there.
我想我在那里的时候他至少养了六只猫。
And he had this one cat that would really pretty much hug you.
他有一只非常会拥抱你的猫。
It would stand up on your-- I've never seen a cat do this.
它会站在你的身上——我从来没有见过猫这样做。
If you're sitting on the sofa, it would stand up on its hind legs on your lap and put a paw, its front paws, one on either side of your head and just look right at you and press its head in close to you.
如果你坐在沙发上，它会用后腿站在你的腿上，把一只爪子（它的前爪）放在你头的两侧，然后直视你，然后把头靠在你身上。
It was the damnedest thing.
这是最该死的事情。
And William just loved his cats.
威廉很喜欢他的猫。
I mean, he loved his cats so much.
我的意思是，他非常爱他的猫。
And I'm not trying to-- he loved people, too.
我并不是想——他也爱人。
But I think it was a much more scary and fraught and frightening thing for him.
但我认为这对他来说是一件更可怕、更令人担忧和可怕的事情。
Toward the end of his life, Burroughs became more concerned about the environment.
在他生命的最后阶段，巴勒斯变得更加关心环境。
It was like his childhood in Saint Louis was fading away, the old beautiful Midwestern America.
就好像他在圣路易斯的童年正在逐渐消失，古老而美丽的美国中西部。
William could feel the loss.
威廉能感觉到失落。
The magical medium is being bulldozed away.
魔法媒介正在被推倒。
No more green reindeer in Forest Park.
森林公园里不再有绿色的驯鹿了。
The angels are leaving all of the alcoves everywhere as the forests fall to make way for motels and Hiltons and McDonald's.
随着森林消失，天使们正在离开各处的所有壁龛，为汽车旅馆、希尔顿酒店和麦当劳让路。
The whole magic universe is dying.
整个魔法宇宙正在消亡。
The rain forests of Borneo and South America are going to make way for what?
婆罗洲和南美洲的雨林要为什么让路？
I think he was a deeply sad person, deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply sad person.
我认为他是一个非常悲伤的人，非常非常非常非常悲伤的人。
So I think William did have this deep, deep, deep skepticism about people being able to connect.
所以我认为威廉确实对人们之间的联系抱有深深的怀疑。
And I think specifically, people being able to connect with him.
我特别认为，人们能够与他建立联系。
There must have been a split between the cats who accepted domestication and those who did not.
接受驯化的猫和不接受驯化的猫之间肯定存在分歧。
One day, one of his closest friends, Tom Peschio, went to see him at dinnertime, and William was having a coughing fit and had been having chest pains.
有一天，他最亲密的朋友之一汤姆·佩斯基奥（Tom Peschio）在晚餐时间去看望他，威廉突然咳嗽并且胸痛。
And within a few minutes, Tom had convinced him to let Tom call 9-1-1, and me.
几分钟之内，汤姆就说服了他让汤姆拨打 9-1-1，还有我。
He went to the hospital.
他去了医院。
He was not conversing.
他没有说话。
And then they got him stabilized.
然后他们让他稳定下来。
His eyes were open.
他的眼睛睁着。
He seemed to hear.
他似乎听到了。
But he wasn't speaking.
但他没有说话。
William had made a no extraordinary measures instruction.
威廉没有做出任何非常措施的指示。
In other words, I'm going to say do not resuscitate.
换句话说，我要说的是不要复苏。
And William simply took his last breath.
威廉只是咽下了最后一口气。
And that is how he died.
他就是这样死的。
He was gentlemanly.
他很有绅士风度。
He was an old school gentleman.
他是一位老派绅士。
He had manners.
他很有礼貌。
He loved to have friends around him.
他喜欢有朋友在他身边。
He loved to carry on.
他喜欢继续下去。
He loved to meet new people.
他喜欢结识新朋友。
He loved his fans.
他爱他的粉丝。
In the media, there is this other stereotypical presentation of who William Burroughs was, the guy in a three piece suit with a needle in his arm.
在媒体上，还有关于威廉·巴勒斯的另一种刻板印象：穿着三件套西装、手臂上插着一根针的家伙。
But that's not the William I saw.
但这不是我看到的威廉。
That wasn't him.
那不是他。
He was a very complex human.
他是一个非常复杂的人。
But none of this biographical stuff is of any interest apart from the actual writing.
但除了实际的写作之外，这些传记内容都没有任何意义。
And what worries me in the centenary year is that everybody's talking about how they met Bill, and Bill said this, and Bill said that.
在一百周年之际让我担心的是每个人都在谈论他们是如何认识比尔的，比尔这样说，比尔那样说。
Actually, no. I mean, people should really read the books.
事实上，没有。我的意思是，人们真的应该读书。
He had this image, a kind of cold, blue, almost ray-like, almost alien image.
他有这样的形象，一种冰冷、蓝色、几乎像射线、几乎陌生的形象。
And of course, he could be like that.
当然，他也可能是这样的。
He was like that in performances in public.
在公共场合的表演中，他就是这样的。
It was his persona.
这是他的人格。
But the real William Burroughs was just a wonderful gentleman and a great artist and a great friend.
但真正的威廉·巴勒斯只是一位出色的绅士、一位伟大的艺术家和一位好朋友。
I miss him very much.
我非常想念他。
I'm really glad to talk about him.
我真的很高兴谈论他。
It means a lot to me.
这对我来说意义重大。
Just a wonderful gentleman.
只是一位出色的绅士。
Kathleen Gray Gentleman.
凯瑟琳·格雷 绅士。
Centenary year.
一百周年。
James Grauerholz I miss him.
詹姆斯·格劳尔霍尔兹 我想念他。
Human.
人类。
Victor Bockris Means a lot to me.
维克多·博克里斯对我来说意义重大。
Alien image.
外星人形象。
James Grauerholz I miss him.
詹姆斯·格劳尔霍尔兹 我想念他。
Read the books.
阅读书籍。
Kathleen Gray Old school.
凯瑟琳·格雷 老派。
Persona.
人物角色。
Kathleen Gray With a needle in his arm.
凯瑟琳·格雷 手臂上插着一根针。
I miss him bad.
我很想念他。
Colin Mcnulty What do you think the last words of the program should be?
科林·麦克纳尔蒂 您认为该节目的最后一句话应该是什么？
What's your final sum up of Burroughs?
您对巴勒斯的最终总结是什么？
This wonderful American man of a certain generation did his best to shoulder the burden of intelligence and sensitivity and to deal with his pain.
这位杰出的美国一代人竭尽全力承担起智慧和敏感性的重担，并应对他的痛苦。
That's what I would say.
我就是这么说的。
Thanks, Iggy.
谢谢，伊吉。
Iggy Pop All right, man.
伊吉·波普 好吧，伙计。
Awesome.
惊人的。
As long as you're satisfied and--
只要你满意并且——
I am, man.
我是，伙计。
Iggy Pop I'm still in one piece, fair enough.
伊吉·波普（Iggy Pop） 我仍然完整，这很公平。
All right.
好的。
Credits Ira Glass Burroughs 101 was presented by Iggy Pop.
学分 Ira Glass Burroughs 101 由 Iggy Pop 呈现。
And when I say presented, I mean he narrated the show.
当我说呈现时，我的意思是他对节目进行了旁白。
The producer was Colin McNulty, executive producer Kevin Dawson.
制片人是科林·麦克纳尔蒂，执行制片人是凯文·道森。
It was independently produced for BBC Radio Four by Whistle Down Productions.
它由 Whistle Down Productions 为 BBC 第四台独立制作。
You can find out about other programs they've made at whistledown.net.
您可以在whistledown.net 上了解他们制作的其他程序。
This American Life is produced by Sean Cole, Stephanie Foo, Chana Joffe-Walt, Sarah Koenig, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, Brian Reed, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
《美国生活》由肖恩·科尔、斯蒂芬妮·符、查纳·乔菲-沃尔特、莎拉·科尼格、米基·米克、乔纳森·门吉瓦尔、布莱恩·里德、罗宾·塞米恩、艾丽莎·希普和南希·厄普代克制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help from Simon Adler.
西蒙·阿德勒 (Simon Adler) 提供制作帮助。
Seth Lind is our operations director.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的运营总监。
Emily Condon, our production manager.
艾米丽·康登，我们的生产经理。
Elise Bergerson's our office manager.
埃莉斯·伯格森是我们的办公室经理。
Adrianne Mathiowetz runs our website.
阿德琳娜·马修韦茨 (Adrianne Mathiowetz) 负责运营我们的网站。
Elena Baker scouts stories for our show.
Elena Baker scouts stories for our show.
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Co-founder.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人联合创始人先生。
Thanks, co-founder.
谢谢，联合创始人。
Co-founder Mr. Torey Malatia.
联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
William Burroughs Pimp.
威廉·巴勒斯皮条客。
Torey, thank you so much.
托雷，非常感谢你。
William Burroughs In bed.
William Burroughs In bed.
I'm Ira Glack-- I'm Ira.
我是艾拉·格拉克——我是艾拉。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week.
下周回来。
Back, back, back, back.
回来，回来，回来，回来。
Ira Glass.
艾拉·格拉斯.
Stories.
故事。
More.
更多的。
This American Life .
这美国生活。
In bed.
在床上。
This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。