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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life .
序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
OK, so for months around here at our radio show, we have all been preparing for this day today.
好的，几个月来，我们的广播节目一直在为今天的这一天做准备。
The date of this day has been written on our white board in big letters for months, because this is the day that we launch our first real spin-off.
几个月来，这一天的日期一直用大字写在我们的白板上，因为这是我们推出第一个真正的衍生产品的日子。
As of today, we're not making just one weekly show here, but two shows.
截至今天，我们不再只制作一场每周节目，而是两场节目。
Our second show is called Serial .
我们的第二个节目叫做Serial。
That's not like breakfast, but the kind of serial where one thing follows another.
这不像早餐，而是一种一件事接着另一件事的连续剧。
And I've mentioned this show on the air before.
我之前在广播中提到过这个节目。
But just in case you missed that, here's the premise of the new show.
但以防万一你错过了，这是新节目的前提。
Instead of each episode bringing you a different theme and different stories, every episode of Serial brings you back to the exact same story and tells you the next chapter in that story.
《Serial》的每一集都不会为您带来不同的主题和不同的故事，而是会带您回到完全相同的故事，并告诉您该故事的下一章。
This is a long story told over a dozen episodes, a true story.
这是一个十几集的长篇故事，是一个真实的故事。
One of our producers and regular contributors, Sarah Koenig, is going to be hosting the new series.
我们的制作人和定期撰稿人之一莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 将主持这个新系列。
And the first story Serial is taking on is about a murder.
Serial 的第一个故事是关于谋杀案的。
It's a case where what really happened is actually much more complicated than the jury ever heard when this thing went to trial.
在这个案件中，真正发生的事情实际上比陪审团在审判时听到的要复杂得多。
And each week we will go with Sarah on her hunt to figure out what really happened.
每周我们都会和莎拉一起去寻找到底发生了什么。
And we will learn the answers as she does.
我们将像她一样找到答案。
Our new show, by the way, is not a radio show.
顺便说一句，我们的新节目不是广播节目。
It's a podcast.
这是一个播客。
I'll explain more about that later in the hour.
我将在稍后的时间对此进行更多解释。
And what we're going to do today here on the radio is play you the first episode.
今天我们要在广播中播放第一集。
OK, and so with that, here's Sarah.
好的，莎拉来了。
And I really hope you like this.
我真的希望你喜欢这个。
For the last year, I've spent every working day trying to figure out where a high school kid was for an hour after school one day in 1999-- or if you want to get technical about it, and apparently I do, where a high school kid was for 21 minutes after school one day in 1999.
在过去的一年里，我每个工作日都在试图弄清楚 1999 年的一天放学后 1 小时内一名高中生在哪里——或者如果你想了解这方面的技术知识，显然我就是这么做的，1999 年的一天放学后 21 分钟一名高中生在哪里。
This search sometimes feels undignified on my part.
有时我会觉得这种搜索有失尊严。
I've had to ask about teenagers' sex lives, where, how often, with whom, about notes they passed in class, about their drug habits, their relationships with their parents.
我不得不询问青少年的性生活、地点、频率、与谁、他们在课堂上通过的笔记、他们的吸毒习惯、他们与父母的关系。
And I'm not a detective or a private investigator.
我不是侦探或私家侦探。
I've not even a crime reporter.
我什至没有犯罪记者。
But, yes, every day this year, I've tried to figure out the alibi of a 17-year-old boy.
但是，是的，今年的每一天，我都在试图找出一个 17 岁男孩的不在场证据。
Before I get into why I've been doing this, I just want to point out something I'd never really thought about before I started working on this story.
在我解释为什么要这样做之前，我只想指出一些在我开始写这个故事之前我从未真正考虑过的事情。
And that is, it's really hard to account for your time, in a detailed way, I mean.
也就是说，我的意思是，很难详细地解释你的时间。
How'd you get to work last Wednesday, for instance?
例如，上周三你怎么去上班？
Drive?
驾驶？
Walk?
走？
Bike?
自行车？
Was it raining?
下雨了吗？
Are you sure?
你确定吗？
Did you go to any stores that day?
那天你去了商店吗？
If so, what did you buy?
如果有，你买了什么？
Who did you talk to?
你和谁说话了？
The entire day, name every person you talked to.
一整天，说出与你交谈过的每个人的名字。
It's hard.
这很难。
Now imagine you have to account for a day that happened six weeks back.
现在想象一下，您必须考虑六周前发生的一天。
Because that's the situation in the story I'm working on in which a bunch of teenagers had to recall a day six weeks earlier.
因为这就是我正在研究的故事中的情况，其中一群青少年必须回忆起六周前的一天。
And it was 1999, so they had to do it without the benefit of texts or Facebook or Instagram.
那是 1999 年，所以他们必须在没有短信、Facebook 或 Instagram 的情况下做到这一点。
Just for a lark, I asked some teenagers to try it.
为了好玩，我请了一些青少年尝试一下。
Do you remember what you did on that Friday?
你还记得那个星期五你做了什么吗？
No. Not at all.
不，一点也不。
I can't remember anything.
我什么都不记得了。
Wait, nothing?
等等，什么都没有？
Tyler No. I can't remember anything that far back.
泰勒：不。我不记得那么久以前的事了。
I'm pretty sure I was in school.
我很确定我当时在学校。
I think-- no?
我想——不？
That's Tyler.
那是泰勒。
He's 18.
他18岁了。
I asked my nephew Sam.
我问我的侄子萨姆。
He's 18, too.
他也18岁了。
Not a clue.
没有任何线索。
In school, probably.
大概是在学校吧。
I would be in school.
我会在学校。
Actually, I think I worked that day.
事实上，我想那天我工作了。
Yeah, I worked that day.
是的，那天我工作了。
And I went to school.
我去了学校。
That was about it.
就是这样。
Actually, on second thought?
事实上，再想一想？
Sam I don't think I went to school that day.
萨姆，我想那天我没有去上学。
You don't think you went.
你以为你没有去过。
Sam Yeah, no, I didn't.
萨姆：是的，不，我没有。
I definitely didn't.
我绝对没有。
Here's Sam's friend Elliot.
这是山姆的朋友埃利奥特。
He seemed to have better recall.
他的记忆力似乎更好了。
Actually, I may have gone to the movies that night later.
事实上，那天晚上我可能去看电影了。
Now that I'm thinking.
现在我在想。
I'm sorry?
对不起？
Yeah, I think I saw 22 Jump Street .
是的，我想我看到了跳跃街 22 号。
Yeah.
是的。
I went with Sam and this kid Sean, Carter, a bunch of people.
我和萨姆还有这个孩子肖恩，卡特，还有一群人一起去了。
Wait, Sam, my nephew Sam?
等等，山姆，我的侄子山姆？
Elliot Yeah, yeah.
艾略特 是啊，是啊。
One kid did actually remember pretty well, because it was the last day of state testing at his school and he'd saved up to go to a nightclub.
一个孩子确实记得很清楚，因为那是他学校州考试的最后一天，他攒了钱去夜总会。
That's the main thing I learned from this exercise, which is no big shocker, I guess.
这是我从这次练习中学到的主要内容，我想这并不令人震惊。
If some significant event happened that day, you remember that, plus you remember the entire day much better.
如果那天发生了一些重大事件，您会记住这一点，而且您会更好地记住这一天。
If nothing significant happened, then the answers get very general.
如果没有发生任何重大事件，那么答案就会变得非常笼统。
I most likely did this, or I most likely did that.
我很可能这样做，或者我很可能这样做。
These are words I've heard a lot lately.
这些是我最近听到很多的话。
Here's the case I've been working on.
这是我一直在处理的案例。
Almost 15 years ago, on January 13, 1999, a girl named Hae Min Lee disappeared.
大约15年前，即1999年1月13日，一个名叫李海民的女孩失踪了。
She was a senior at Woodlawn High School in Baltimore County in Maryland.
她是马里兰州巴尔的摩县伍德劳恩高中的一名高年级学生。
She was Korean.
她是韩国人。
She was smart, and beautiful, and cheerful, and a great athlete.
她聪明、美丽、开朗，还是一位出色的运动员。
She played field hockey and lacrosse.
她打曲棍球和长曲棍球。
And she was responsible.
她有责任。
Right after school she was supposed to pick up her little cousin from kindergarten and drop her home.
放学后，她应该去幼儿园接她的小表弟，然后送她回家。
But she didn't show.
但她没有表现出来。
That's when Hae Lee's family knew something was up, when the cousin's school called.
就在那时，海李的家人知道出事了，表弟的学校打来电话。
About a month later, on February 9, Hae's body was found in a big park in Baltimore, really a rambling forest.
大约一个月后，即 2 月 9 日，Hae 的尸体在巴尔的摩的一个大公园里被发现，那里实际上是一片茂密的森林。
A maintenance guy who said he'd stopped to take a leak on his way to work discovered her there.
一名自称在上班途中停下来漏水的维修工在那里发现了她。
He'd noticed a bit of her black hair poking out of a shallow grave.
他注意到她的一点黑发从浅浅的坟墓中露出来。
The cause of death was manual strangulation, meaning someone did it with their hands.
死因是人为掐死，即有人用手掐死的。
A couple weeks after that, so six weeks after she first went missing, Hae's ex-boyfriend, a guy named Adnan Syed, was arrested for her murder.
几周后，也就是她第一次失踪六周后，Hae 的前男友阿德南·赛义德 (Adnan Syed) 因谋杀罪被捕。
He's been in prison ever since.
从那时起他就一直在监狱里。
I first heard about this story more than a year ago when I got an email from a woman named Rabia Chaudry.
我第一次听说这个故事是在一年多前，当时我收到了一位名叫 Rabia Chaudry 的女士发来的电子邮件。
Rabia knows Adnan pretty well.
拉比亚很了解阿德南。
Her younger brother Saad is Adnan's best friend.
她的弟弟萨阿德是阿德南最好的朋友。
And they believe he's innocent.
他们相信他是无辜的。
Rabia was writing to me because, way back when, I used to be a reporter for the Baltimore Sun , and she'd come across some stories I'd written about a well-known defense attorney in Baltimore who'd been disbarred for mishandling client money.
拉比亚写信给我是因为，很久以前，我曾经是《巴尔的摩太阳报》的记者，她读到了我写的一些关于巴尔的摩一位著名辩护律师的故事，这位律师因不当处理客户资金而被取消律师资格。
That attorney was the same person who defended Adnan, her last major trial, in fact.
事实上，这位律师就是为阿德南辩护的同一个人，这是她最后一次重大审判。
Rabia told me she thought the attorney botched the case-- not just botched it, actually, but threw the case on purpose so she could get more money for the appeal.
拉比亚告诉我，她认为律师搞砸了这个案子——实际上，不仅仅是搞砸了，而是故意放弃这个案子，这样她就可以得到更多的上诉费用。
The lawyer had died a few years later.
几年后，这位律师去世了。
She'd been sick.
她病了。
Rabia asked if I would please just take a look at Adnan's case.
拉比亚问我是否愿意看一下阿德南的案子。
I don't get emails like this every day.
我不是每天都会收到这样的电子邮件。
So I thought, sure, why not?
所以我想，当然，为什么不呢？
I read a few newspaper clips about the case, looked up a few trial records.
我读了一些有关此案的报纸剪辑，查阅了一些审判记录。
And on paper, the case was like a Shakespearean mashup-- young lovers from different worlds thwarting their families, secret assignations, jealousy, suspicion, and honor besmirched, the villain not a Moor exactly, but a Muslim all the same, and a final act of murderous revenge.
从表面上看，这起案件就像莎士比亚的混搭——来自不同世界的年轻恋人阻挠他们的家庭，秘密指派，嫉妒，怀疑，荣誉被玷污，恶棍不完全是摩尔人，但仍然是穆斯林，最后的凶残复仇行为。
And the main stage?
那么主舞台呢？
A regular old high school across the street from a 7-Eleven.
7-11 街对面是一所普通的老高中。
Hi, are you Rabia?
嗨，你是拉比亚吗？
Hi.
你好。
Am I saying your name correctly?
我说你的名字正确吗？
I went to go see Rabia.
我去看拉比亚。
She was surrounded by paper-- files, loose stacks, binders, some crappy looking boxes-- all court documents and attorney's files from Adnan's case.
她周围都是文件——文件、松散的一叠文件、活页夹、一些看起来很破烂的盒子——所有法庭文件和阿德南案件中的律师档案。
Some of the papers were warped and discolored.
有些纸张已经变形、变色。
These have been damaged, because these--
这些已经被损坏，因为这些——
She explained that it was because the boxes had been in her car, on and off, for 15 years.
她解释说，这是因为这些盒子已经在她的车里时断时续地放了 15 年。
Rabia is a lawyer herself.
拉比亚本人是一名律师。
She mostly does immigration stuff.
她主要做移民方面的事情。
Her office takes up the corner of a much larger open space that I think is a Pakistani travel agency, though it's hard to tell.
她的办公室占据了一个更大的开放空间的一角，我认为那是一家巴基斯坦旅行社，尽管很难说。
It's in this little strip mall.
它就在这个小购物中心里。
Across the parking lot, there's a new Pakistani restaurant, an African evangelical church, an Indian clothing shop, a convenience store.
停车场对面有一家新开的巴基斯坦餐厅、一家非洲福音派教堂、一家印度服装店和一家便利店。
On the sidewalk outside, I found a teeny weeny bag of marijuana.
在外面的人行道上，我发现了一小袋大麻。
Baltimore County is like this, at least on the west side.
巴尔的摩县就是这样，至少在西边是这样。
It's where a lot of middle class and working class people go, many immigrants included, to get their kids out of the badass city.
这是许多中产阶级和工人阶级（包括许多移民）去的地方，让他们的孩子离开这个糟糕的城市。
Though the badass city is close by.
尽管坏蛋城就在附近。
Rabia is 40.
拉比亚40岁了。
She's short, and she's got a beautiful round face framed by hijab.
她身材矮小，戴着头巾，有一张美丽的圆脸。
She's adorable looking, but you definitely shouldn't mess with her.
她看起来很可爱，但你绝对不应该惹她。
She's very smart and very tough, and she could crush you.
她很聪明，也很坚强，她可以压垮你。
Her brother Saad was at Rabia's office too the first time I went.
我第一次去时，她的兄弟萨阿德也在拉比亚的办公室。
He's 33, a mortgage broker, more laid back than Rabia.
他今年 33 岁，是一名抵押贷款经纪人，比拉比亚更加悠闲。
They told me about Adnan Syed, their friend-- not just a good kid, but an especially good kid-- smart, kind, goofy, handsome.
他们向我讲述了他们的朋友阿德南·赛义德——不仅是一个好孩子，而且是一个特别好的孩子——聪明、善良、傻乎乎、英俊。
So that when he was arrested for murder, so many people who know him were stunned.
以至于当他因谋杀被捕时，让很多认识他的人都惊呆了。
He was like the community's golden child.
他就像社区的金童。
He was an honor roll student, volunteer EMT.
他是一名荣誉学生、急救志愿者。
He was on the football team.
他是橄榄球队的成员。
He was a star runner on the track team.
他是田径队的明星运动员。
He was the homecoming king.
他是归来的国王。
He led prayers at the mosque.
他在清真寺主持祈祷。
Everybody knew Adnan to be somebody who was going to do something really big.
每个人都知道阿德南是一个要做大事的人。
I later fact checked all these accolades, of course, and learned that Rabia was mostly right, though she sometimes gets a little loosey-goosey with the details.
当然，我后来核实了所有这些荣誉，并了解到拉比亚大部分是正确的，尽管她有时在细节上有点松散。
Adnan was an EMT, but he didn't volunteer.
阿德南是一名急救人员，但他不是自愿的。
He was paid for it.
他为此得到了报酬。
He was on the track team, but he wasn't a star.
他是田径队的成员，但他不是明星。
He did play football.
他确实踢足球。
And he did lead prayers on occasion.
他有时也确实带领祷告。
He wasn't homecoming king.
他不是归国之王。
But he was prince of his junior prom, and this at a high school that was majority black.
但他是初中舞会的王子，而且是在一所黑人占多数的高中。
They picked the Pakistani Muslim kid.
他们选择了巴基斯坦穆斯林孩子。
So you get the picture.
所以你明白了。
He was an incredibly likable and well-liked kid.
他是一个非常讨人喜欢、深受喜爱的孩子。
This conversation with Rabia and Saad, this is what launched me on this yearlong-- "obsession" is maybe too strong a word-- let's say fascination with this case.
与 Rabia 和 Saad 的对话，这就是我这一年的动力——“痴迷”这个词可能太强烈了——让我们说对这个案子的迷恋吧。
By the end of this hour, you're going to hear different people tell different versions of what happened the day Hae Lee was killed.
到这一小时结束时，你会听到不同的人讲述李海被杀那天发生的事情的不同版本。
But let's start with the most important version of the story, the one Rabia told me first.
但让我们从这个故事最重要的版本开始，也就是拉比亚首先告诉我的那个版本。
And that's the one that was presented at trial.
这就是审判时提出的内容。
The state's case against Adnan went like this.
该州针对阿德南的案件是这样的。
He and Hae had been going out since junior prom.
从初中舞会开始，他和Hae就一直出去玩。
But Adnan wasn't supposed to be dating at all.
但阿德南根本不应该约会。
Adnan was born in the US, but his parents are from Pakistan.
阿德南出生在美国，但他的父母来自巴基斯坦。
And they're conservative Muslims-- no drinking, no smoking, no girls, all that.
他们是保守的穆斯林——不喝酒、不吸烟、不许女孩等等。
Saad and Rabia's parents are the same way.
萨阿德和拉比亚的父母也是如此。
Their families are friends.
他们的家人是朋友。
But even though Adnan and Saad and their buddies were Muslims, they were also, shall we say, healthy American teenagers who were going to do what teenagers do, so long as they didn't get caught.
但即使阿德南、萨阿德和他们的伙伴是穆斯林，我们可以说，他们也是健康的美国青少年，只要不被抓住，他们就会做青少年该做的事情。
So Adnan had to keep his relationship with Hae secret.
因此阿德南必须对他与海伊的关系保密。
The state used this against him in two ways.
国家以两种方式利用这一点来对付他。
First, they argued, he put everything on the line-- his family, his relationships at the mosque-- to run around with this girl.
首先，他们争辩说，他冒着一切风险——他的家人、他在清真寺的关系——来和这个女孩到处乱跑。
So that when she broke up with him eight months later, he was left with nothing, and he was outraged.
以至于八个月后，当她和他分手时，他一无所有，他愤怒不已。
He couldn't take it, and he killed her.
他无法忍受，于是杀了她。
And the second way they used it, as they said-- look at what a liar he is, how duplicitous.
他们使用的第二种方式，正如他们所说的——看看他是一个多么大的骗子，多么的两面派。
He plays the good Muslim son at home and at the mosque, but look what he was up to.
他在家里和清真寺扮演穆斯林的好儿子，但看看他在做什么。
Saad remembers the prosecutor's closing argument at trial.
萨阿德记得检察官在审判中的结案陈词。
His family didn't know that he actually drank, he smoked, he was having sex.
他的家人并不知道他实际上喝酒、抽烟、发生性行为。
This was proof of bad character, someone who could be a murderer.
这是品格恶劣的证据，可能是杀人犯。
But Saad says, if Adnan is guilty of anything, it's of being a normal kid with immigrant parents.
但萨阿德说，如果阿德南有什么罪过，那就是他是一个移民父母的普通孩子。
So the prosecution had painted Adnan as a totally bipolar or a maniacal dual personality.
因此，检方将阿德南描绘成一个完全躁郁症或疯狂的双重人格。
We all grew up with that dual personality.
我们都是在这种双重性格中长大的。
I know, it was forced.
我知道，那是被迫的。
I'm the same way.
我也是一样的情况
I was like, they could paint the same thing.
我当时想，他们可以画同样的东西。
Because I was actually homecoming king, which I don't know if my sister even knows.
因为我其实是返校王，不知道姐姐知不知道。
I did not know this.
我不知道这一点。
Saad She did not know.
萨阿德 她不知道。
So I was dating a girl that was--
所以我正在和一个女孩约会，她是——
And why is homecoming king bad?
为什么返校之王不好？
That sounds like a good thing.
这听起来是件好事。
Because it's a dance.
因为这是舞蹈。
Rabia It's a dance.
拉比亚 这是一种舞蹈。
It's a mixed gender--
这是一个混合性别——
So I was in the same boat.
所以我也在同一条船上。
My parents, my sister, they didn't know about this at all.
我的父母，我的妹妹，他们根本不知道这件事。
Right now, more than 10 year later, she's finding out.
十多年后的现在，她正在寻找答案。
I know, I'll admit.
我知道，我承认。
On one side, my family thinks I'm a virgin.
一方面，我的家人认为我是处女。
But on the other hand, I play-- you know.
但另一方面，我也玩——你知道的。
--way too much.
——太多了。
Saad But it's the truth.
萨阿德 但这是事实。
TMI, TMI, TMI.
TMI，TMI，TMI。
Saad See that?
萨阿德 看到了吗？
That right there is kind of making her feel uncomfortable.
就在那里，有点让她感到不舒服。
She's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
她就像，哇，哇，哇。
So just on motive alone, Saad and Rabia found the whole thing ridiculous.
因此，仅就动机而言，萨阿德和拉比亚就觉得整件事很荒谬。
As for physical evidence, there was none-- nothing.
至于物证，没有——什么也没有。
Apart from some fingerprints in Hae's car, which Adnan had been in many times, there was nothing linking him to the crime-- no DNA, no fibers, no hairs, no matching soil from the bottom of his boots.
阿德南曾多次坐过海伊的车，除了一些指纹外，没有任何证据表明他与犯罪行为有关——没有DNA，没有纤维，没有毛发，靴子底部没有匹配的泥土。
Instead, what they had on Adnan was one guy's story, a guy named Jay.
相反，他们对阿德南的了解是一个人的故事，一个名叫杰伊的人。
He's the third person you need to remember in this crime story besides Hae and Adnan.
在这个犯罪故事中，除了海伊和阿德南之外，他是第三个需要记住的人。
Jay was a friend of Adnan's.
杰伊是阿德南的朋友。
They'd been in school together since middle school.
他们从中学起就一起上学。
They weren't super close, but they had mutual friends.
他们不是很亲密，但他们有共同的朋友。
Jay sold weed, and he and Adnan smoked together.
杰伊卖大麻，他和阿德南一起抽烟。
The story Jay told police had problems, because it kept changing from telling to telling.
杰伊告诉警方的故事有问题，因为它的讲述方式不断变化。
But they were able to bolster the main plot points using cell records from Adnan's phone.
但他们能够利用阿德南手机上的手机记录来支持主要情节点。
By the time I left Rabia's office that first day, I understood only one thing clearly, though maybe not the thing Rabia and Saad wanted me to understand.
当我第一天离开拉比亚的办公室时，我只清楚地理解了一件事，尽管也许不是拉比亚和萨阿德想让我理解的事情。
But what I took away from the visit was, somebody is lying here.
但我从这次访问中得到的收获是，有人躺在这里。
Maybe Adnan really is innocent.
也许阿德南真的是无辜的。
But what if he isn't?
但如果他不是呢？
What if he did do it, and he's got all these good people thinking he didn't?
如果他真的这么做了，而所有这些好人都认为他没有这么做怎么办？
So either it's Jay or it's Adnan.
所以要么是杰伊，要么是阿德南。
But someone is lying.
但有人在撒谎。
And I really wanted to figure out who.
我真的很想弄清楚是谁。
In the early morning of February 28, 1999, Adnan was arrested by Baltimore City detectives.
1999年2月28日凌晨，阿德南被巴尔的摩市侦探逮捕。
He was asleep in his bed when they showed up at his house.
当他们出现在他家时，他正在床上睡觉。
They took him straight from his untidy bedroom to an interrogation room at Homicide downtown.
他们直接把他从凌乱的卧室带到市中心凶杀案的审讯室。
What Adnan didn't know is that just hours before they picked him up, the cops had interviewed his friend Jay.
阿德南不知道的是，就在他们逮捕他的几个小时前，警察采访了他的朋友杰伊。
This is a taped interview of Jay, black male, 19 years of age.
这是对 Jay 的采访录音，黑人男性，19 岁。
We're at the offices of Homicide, specifically the colonel's conference room.
我们在凶杀组的办公室，特别是上校的会议室。
The police recorded two taped interviews with Jay.
警方录制了两段对杰伊采访的录音。
And I'm going to play you the second one from a couple weeks later, only because the sound quality is much better.
几周后我将为您播放第二首，只是因为音质要好得多。
Just a warning that the tape is a little upsetting to hear in parts.
只是警告说，磁带的某些部分听起来有点令人不安。
Why don't you go ahead and tell us what you know about the death of Hae Lee.
你为什么不直接告诉我们你对李海之死的了解呢？
OK.
好的。
I'd left out, went shopping with a friend of mine, an ex-friend of mine, Adnan.
我离开了，和我的一个朋友，我的前朋友阿德南一起去购物。
We had had a conversation.
我们进行了交谈。
During the conversation he stated that he was going to kill that bitch, referring to Hae Lee.
在谈话中，他说他要杀了那个贱人，指的是李海。
I took it with context.
我结合上下文理解了它。
It didn't stand out in my head any.
它在我的脑海里一点也不突出。
Jay said he didn't take it too seriously.
杰伊说他并没有太认真地对待这件事。
The cops have him start again from the top.
警察让他从头开始。
On the morning of the 13th, Jay says, Adnan had left school and driven to Jay's house.
杰伊说，13号早上，阿德南离开学校，开车去杰伊家。
Jay had graduated from school the year before and was working, but not on that day.
杰伊前一年从学校毕业并开始工作，但那天并没有毕业。
January 13 happens to be the birthday of Jay's girlfriend, Stephanie.
1月13日恰好是杰伊女友斯蒂芬妮的生日。
And Jay, who didn't have his own car, needed to go buy something for her.
而杰伊没有自己的车，需要去给她买点东西。
So Adnan comes over.
于是阿德南过来了。
According to Jay, they go shopping at the mall.
据杰伊说，他们去商场购物。
When did you do that?
你什么时候这么做的？
Jay We left the mall.
杰伊 我们离开了商场。
I took him to school.
我送他去学校。
I dropped him off in the back of the school.
我把他放在学校后面。
He went up to class.
他上楼去上课了。
He left his cell phone in the car with me, told me he'd call me.
他把手机留在车里，告诉我他会打电话给我。
I went back to my friend James' house and waited for him to call.
我回到朋友詹姆斯家等他打电话。
OK, now at this point, you know why he's leaving the car with you.
好吧，现在你知道他为什么把车留给你了。
Because he said he was going to kill Hae.
因为他说他要杀了Hae。
And the reason you have the car and the cell phone was why?
你拥有汽车和手机的原因是什么？
To pick him up from wherever he was going to do this at.
从他要去的任何地方接他。
OK, and you had talked about this while you were shopping that day?
好吧，那天你逛街的时候也谈到过这个吗？
The events, how they were going to plan out.
事件，他们将如何计划。
That day he told me, yes.
那天他告诉我，是的。
He told me, I'm going to leave you with my cellphone and my car, and I need you to come get me.
他告诉我，我会把手机和车留给你，我需要你来接我。
Yes.
是的。
After-- Jay After he had killed Hae, yes.
之后——杰伊杀了海伊之后，是的。
OK.
好的。
Sarah Koenig Later that afternoon, the call comes.
莎拉·科尼格 那天下午晚些时候，电话打来了。
Yes.
是的。
Detective Which is in your possession.
侦探 这是你的财产。
Yes.
是的。
Detective And the conversation was what?
侦探：谈话内容是什么？
That bitch is dead.
那个母狗死了。
Come and get me.
来接我吧。
I'm at Best Buy.
我在百思买。
Jay drives to Best Buy and sees Adnan in the parking lot.
杰伊开车去百思买，在停车场看到阿德南。
I noticed that Hae wasn't with him.
我注意到Hae没有和他在一起。
I parked next to him.
我把车停在他旁边。
He asked me to get out the car.
他让我下车。
I get out the car.
我下了车。
He asks me, am I ready for this?
他问我，我准备好了吗？
And I say, ready for what?
我说，准备好做什么？
And he takes the keys.
他拿走了钥匙。
He opens the trunk.
他打开后备箱。
And all I can see is Hae's lips are all blue, and she's pretzeled up in the back of the trunk.
我只能看到海伊的嘴唇全是蓝色的，她在行李箱后面裹着椒盐卷饼。
And she's dead.
她死了。
They leave the parking lot.
他们离开停车场。
Adnan's driving Hae's car with her body in the trunk.
阿德南开着海伊的车，她的尸体放在后备箱里。
Jay's driving Adnan's car.
杰伊开着阿德南的车。
They ditch Hae's car at the I-70 park and ride.
他们把 Hae 的车扔在 70 号州际公路上停车并骑行。
And then, to hear Jay tell it, they just kind of tool around Baltimore County together for a while as if nothing had happened-- buy some weed, cruise around, make some calls.
然后，听杰伊说，他们只是一起在巴尔的摩县闲逛了一段时间，好像什么也没发生过一样——买一些大麻，到处闲逛，打一些电话。
After a while, Jay drives Adnan back to Woodlawn High School.
过了一会儿，杰伊开车送阿德南回伍德劳恩高中。
He told me that I had to take him back to school because he needed to be seen there.
他告诉我，我必须送他回学校，因为那里需要有人见到他。
He wanted to be seen by people at track.
他希望被赛道上的人们看到。
Yes.
是的。
Detective And you guys had discussed that?
侦探 你们讨论过这个吗？
He just told me that he needed to be seen.
他只是告诉我他需要被人看见。
Yes.
是的。
Jay He told me that he needed to be seen.
何杰告诉我他需要被人看见。
Yes.
是的。
Detective Are you having any conversation with Adnan at the time?
侦探 你当时有和阿德南谈话吗？
To the effect, yes.
大意是，是的。
Don't tell anyone.
不要告诉任何人。
He said that he couldn't believe he killed somebody with his bare hands, that all the other mother [BLEEP] referring to hoods and thugs and stuff think they're hard core.
他说他不敢相信他徒手杀了人，所有其他母亲[BLEEP]指的是黑帮和暴徒之类的东西都认为他们是铁杆。
But he just killed a person with his bare hands.
但他只是徒手杀了一个人。
So at this point he's bragging about it?
那么这个时候他是在炫耀吗？
Basically.
基本上。
Detective He was proud of it?
何探长还得意吗？
Yes.
是的。
Sarah Koenig After track practice, Jay picks Adnan up again.
莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 田径训练结束后，杰伊再次接起阿德南。
They drive around some more.
他们又开车绕了一圈。
By this time, Hae's family was worried, and they'd called the police, who in turn called a couple of Hae's friends, including Adnan.
这时，Hae 的家人很担心，他们报了警，警察又给 Hae 的几个朋友打电话，其中包括阿德南。
The call comes in on his cell.
电话打进了他的手机。
The cops ask if he's seen Hae or knows where she is.
警察问他是否见过海或知道她在哪里。
Jay says after the call, they drive to Jay's to get some shovels, go retrieve Hae's car from the park and ride.
杰伊说，打完电话后，他们开车去杰伊家拿铲子，从公园取回海伊的车然后骑车。
They drive around some more and finally end up at Lincoln Park, where Adnan proceeds to bury Hae.
他们又开了一些车，最后到达了林肯公园，阿德南在那里埋葬了海伊。
It's evening by now, maybe 7:00 or 8:00 PM.
现在已经是晚上了，大概晚上 7:00 或 8:00。
And he asked me if I was going to help.
他问我是否愿意帮忙。
And I told him, [BLEEP] no. And he starts just shoveling dirt on top of her.
我告诉他，[哔]不。他开始把泥土铲在她身上。
After we leave there--
我们离开那里后——
How long did it take you both to dig the hole?
你们俩挖这个洞花了多长时间？
20, 25 minutes.
20、25分钟。
Detective How deep did you make the hole?
侦探 你挖的洞有多深？
Oh, maybe six inches at the most.
哦，最多六英寸。
It wasn't very deep at all.
根本不是很深。
Who did most of the digging?
大部分挖掘工作是谁干的？
Jay Uh, it was--
杰伊 呃，那是——
Equal work?
平等工作？
Jay I wouldn't say that, but yeah.
杰伊 我不会这么说，但是是的。
OK.
好的。
Sarah Koenig So those are the key points.
Sarah Koenig 所以这些是关键点。
Adnan told Jay in advance he was going to do it.
阿德南提前告诉杰伊他要这么做。
He did it.
他做到了。
They buried her.
他们埋葬了她。
Jay's story wasn't just the foundation of the state's case against Adnan.
杰伊的故事不仅仅是该州针对阿德南案件的基础。
It was the state's case against Adnan.
这是该州针对阿德南的案件。
In the picture Jay drew, it's cold.
在杰伊画的图中，天气很冷。
I mean, he's not describing a crime of passion here.
我的意思是，他在这里描述的并不是激情犯罪。
This is something much darker-- to methodically map out the death of your friend, to strangle her with your own hands so close up like that.
这是更加黑暗的事情——有条不紊地策划你朋友的死亡，用你自己的双手如此近距离地勒死她。
That would mean Adnan wasn't just a killer, but a master liar and manipulator, a psychopath, probably.
这意味着阿德南不仅是一个杀手，而且还是一个骗子和操纵者，甚至可能是一个精神病患者。
Adnan's in a maximum security prison in western Maryland.
阿德南被关押在马里兰州西部一座戒备森严的监狱里。
He calls me at my request about twice a week.
他应我的要求大约每周给我打电话两次。
He talks to me from a bank of eight pay phones in the rec hall, a pretty large room where other guys are sitting at tables with metal seats attached to them playing chess or cards or using the microwave or watching TV.
他在娱乐厅里的一排八个公用电话上跟我说话，这是一个相当大的房间，其他人坐在附有金属座椅的桌子旁，下棋或打牌，或者使用微波炉或看电视。
It can get a little loud sometimes.
有时声音会有点大。
Once I asked if all eight phones were always occupied.
有一次我问八部电话是否总是占线。
And he said, usually not, because guys who have been in for a long time, often they have no one to call.
他说，通常不会，因为那些已经呆了很长时间的人，往往没有人可以打电话。
When I first met Adnan in person, I was struck by two things.
当我第一次见到阿德南本人时，有两件事令我震惊。
He was way bigger than I expected-- barrel chested and tall.
他比我想象的要大得多——胸肌发达，个子很高。
In the photos I'd seen, he was still a lanky teenager with struggling facial hair and sagging jeans.
在我看到的照片中，他仍然是一个瘦长的少年，脸上的毛发稀疏，牛仔裤下垂。
By now, he was 32.
此时，他已经32岁了。
He'd spent nearly half his life in prison, becoming larger and properly bearded.
他的大半辈子都在监狱里度过了，身材越来越高大，胡子也长得恰到好处。
And the second thing, which you can't miss about Adnan, is that he has giant brown eyes like a dairy cow.
关于阿德南，你不能错过的第二件事是，他有一双像奶牛一样巨大的棕色眼睛。
That's what prompts my most idiotic lines of inquiry.
这就是促使我进行最愚蠢的探究的原因。
Could someone who looks like that really strangle his girlfriend?
这样的人真的能掐死自己的女朋友吗？
Idiotic, I know.
我知道，这很白痴。
When he first heard Jay's story of the crime, Adnan didn't say, well, it didn't happen like that, or, I didn't mean for it to happen like that.
当阿德南第一次听到杰伊关于犯罪的故事时，他并没有说，好吧，事情不是那样发生的，或者，我并不是故意让事情发生那样的。
He said, it didn't happen.
他说，这没有发生。
None of this is true at all.
这些都不是真的。
He says he had nothing to do with Hae's murder, and he doesn't know who did.
他说他与海的谋杀案无关，他也不知道是谁干的。
Hae was Adnan's first serious relationship with a girl.
海是阿德南第一次与女孩认真交往。
He says he loved her in the way of high school love, but then also in the way of high school got over her.
他说他以高中时的爱情方式爱她，但后来又以高中时的方式忘记了她。
So that when they broke up for good sometime before Christmas break of senior year, he says he was sad for sure, but not obsessed or anything.
因此，当他们在高年级圣诞节假期前的某个时候彻底分手时，他说他确实很伤心，但并不着迷或其他什么。
I just sometimes wish they could look into my brain and see how I really felt about her.
我只是有时希望他们能看看我的大脑，看看我对她的真实感受。
And no matter what else someone would say, they would see, man, this guy had no ill will toward her.
而且无论别人怎么说，他们都会看到，伙计，这家伙对她没有恶意。
Whatever the motivation is to kill someone, I had absolutely-- it didn't exist in me, you know what I mean?
无论杀人的动机是什么，我绝对——它不存在于我身上，你知道我的意思吗？
No one can ever say why.
没有人能说出原因。
People could say why.
人们可以说出原因。
Oh, man, he was mad, this, that, or the other.
哦，老兄，他疯了，这个，那个，还是那个。
But no one could ever come with any type of proof or anecdote or anything to ever say that I was ever mad at her, that I was ever angry with her, that I ever threatened her.
但没有人能拿出任何类型的证据或轶事或任何东西来证明我曾经生她的气，我曾经生她的气，我曾经威胁过她。
That's the only thing I can really hold onto.
这是我唯一能真正抓住的东西。
That is like my only firm handhold in this whole thing, that no one's ever been able to prove it.
这就像我在这整件事中唯一坚定的把握，但没有人能够证明这一点。
No one ever has been able to provide any shred of evidence that I had anything but friendship toward her, like love and respect for her.
没有人能够提供任何证据证明我对她除了友谊之外还有什么，比如对她的爱和尊重。
That's at the end of the day, man.
那是一天结束的时候了，伙计。
The only thing I can ever say is, man, I had no reason to kill her.
我唯一能说的是，伙计，我没有理由杀她。
He's adamant about this.
他对此很坚定。
You can hear it, right?
你能听到，对吧？
He's staunch.
他很坚定。
The problem is, when you ask Adnan to go back and tell his version of what happened that day, to refute Jay's story, everything becomes a lot mushier.
问题是，当你要求阿德南回去讲述他对那天发生的事情的看法，反驳杰伊的故事时，一切都变得更加混乱。
Yes, he hung out with Jay on the 13th, both during and after school.
是的，13号他和杰伊一起出去玩，无论是放学还是放学。
But he doesn't remember exactly where they went, or what they did, or what time it was.
但他不记得他们到底去了哪里，做了什么，或者当时是什么时间。
Here's what he's got.
这就是他所得到的。
January 13 unfolded like any other day, a normal, mostly uneventful day.
1 月 13 日与其他日子一样，是一个正常且平静的一天。
He says there are a couple of things that do stand out, though.
他说，不过，有几件事确实很突出。
That day was Stephanie's birthday.
那天是斯蒂芬妮的生日。
Stephanie was one of Adnan's best friends and also Jay's girlfriend.
斯蒂芬妮是阿德南最好的朋友之一，也是杰伊的女朋友。
Adnan had gotten Stephanie a birthday present, a stuffed reindeer, which he'd given to her in second period, Miss Ephron's English class.
阿德南给斯蒂芬妮送了一份生日礼物，一只毛绒驯鹿，这是他在第二节艾芙伦小姐的英语课上送给她的。
And it occurred to me that day that I was going to ask her boyfriend, Jay, did he get her a gift?
那天我突然想到我要问她的男朋友杰伊，他给她买了礼物吗？
So sometime during the day before noon--
所以在白天中午之前的某个时候——
Wait, Adnan, just hold up for a second.
等等，阿德南，稍等一下。
Why did you care whether Jay got Stephanie a present?
你为什么关心杰是否给斯蒂芬妮送了礼物？
What's it to you?
关你什么事？
Well, Stephanie was a very close friend of mine, as I mentioned.
嗯，正如我提到的，斯蒂芬妮是我非常亲密的朋友。
And I just kind of wanted to make sure that she also got a gift from him, you know?
我只是想确保她也从他那里得到了一份礼物，你知道吗？
She had mentioned to me that she was looking forward to getting a gift from him.
她向我提到她期待着从他那里得到一份礼物。
She mentioned that she was really happy to get the gift that I gave her.
她提到她很高兴收到我送给她的礼物。
So as I would with any friend, I just kind of went to check on that.
就像我对待任何朋友一样，我只是去检查一下。
I kind of had a feeling that maybe he didn't get her a gift.
我有种预感，也许他没有给她送礼物。
And I had free periods during school.
我在学校期间有空闲时间。
So it was not abnormal for me to leave school to go do something and then come back.
所以我离开学校去做一些事情然后再回来并不奇怪。
So I went to his house.
于是我就去了他家。
And I asked him, did you happen to get a present for Stephanie?
我问他，你有没有给斯蒂芬妮买礼物？
He said no. So I said, if you want to, you can drop me back off to school.
他说不。所以我说，如果你愿意的话，可以送我回学校。
You can borrow my car.
你可以借我的车。
And you can go to the mall and get her a gift or whatever.
你可以去商场给她买礼物或其他什么。
Then just come pick me up after track practice that day.
那天田径训练结束后来接我吧。
So then what happened?
那么后来发生了什么？
Adnan Well, then when school was over, I would have went to the library.
阿德南 好吧，那么当学校放学时，我会去图书馆。
I know that I usually check-- well, I didn't usually check.
我知道我通常会检查——嗯，我通常不会检查。
But if I was going to check my email, it would be using the library computer.
但如果我要检查电子邮件，就会使用图书馆的计算机。
You know, sometimes I would go there because track practice didn't start until around maybe 3 o'clock or 3:30-ish.
你知道，有时我会去那里，因为田径练习可能要到 3 点或 3:30 左右才开始。
So it didn't start right after school.
所以放学后并没有立即开始。
So there was a period of time of almost like an hour, an hour and some change, that was kind of free time.
所以有一段时间几乎是一个小时，一个小时，还有一些变化，那是一种空闲时间。
This hour and change after school, this is the crucial window.
这个时候和放学后的变化，这是关键的窗口期。
This is the time when the state says Hae was killed.
这是国家称海被杀的时间。
School got out at 2:15.
2点15分放学。
People remember seeing her after her last class heading to her car.
人们记得在最后一堂课结束后看到她走向她的车。
According to Jay's story and the cellphone records, she was dead by 2:36 PM.
根据杰伊的故事和手机记录，她于下午 2 点 36 分去世。
So sometime in those 21 minutes, between 2:15 and 2:36, she was strangled.
因此，在这 21 分钟的 2 点 15 分到 2 点 36 分之间的某个时间，她被勒死了。
So that's obviously the same window Adnan needed to account for.
因此，这显然是阿德南需要考虑的同一窗口。
To quote Adnan, "My case lived and died in those 21 minutes."
引用阿德南的话说：“我的案子就在那 21 分钟内生死存亡。”
So where does Adnan say he was?
那么阿德南说他在哪里呢？
Well, maybe the library, but nobody testified to that at trial.
好吧，也许是图书馆，但没有人在审判中作证。
Then to track practice-- he does remember being at track one day when it was snowing, which might have been that day.
然后进行赛道训练——他确实记得有一天下雪的时候在赛道上，那一天可能就是下雪了。
The coach testified that Adnan probably was there, but he can't be 100% sure because, as a rule, he didn't take attendance.
教练作证说阿德南可能在那里，但他不能 100% 确定，因为通常他没有出席。
After school is when his memories become nonspecific.
放学后，他的记忆变得不具体。
Usually we did this, or we probably would have done that.
通常我们会这样做，或者我们可能会这样做。
Probably track practice would have ended like, I'd say, 4:30.
我想说，田径练习可能会在 4:30 左右结束。
Jay did come to pick up Adnan after track.
赛后杰伊确实来接阿德南。
That part Adnan seems to more or less remember.
阿德南似乎或多或少记得那部分。
It was Ramadan, so Adnan would have been fasting all day and hungry.
那天是斋月，所以阿德南会整天禁食并且挨饿。
It probably would've been close to time for me to break fast.
可能已经快到我吃早饭的时间了。
He would have came to pick me up, and we would have went to go get something to eat.
他会来接我，我们会去吃点东西。
And then we would have smoked some weed after, right?
然后我们会抽一些杂草，对吗？
And then I would have had to have been home around 7, 8 o'clock, right?
然后我就必须在七点、八点左右回家，对吗？
Or usually like the last 10 nights of Ramadan, my father would spend the night at the mosque.
或者通常像斋月的最后 10 个晚上，我父亲会在清真寺过夜。
So a lot of times I would take him food.
所以很多时候我都会给他带食物。
I think my mother would make food for him, and I would take it usually before 8 o'clock.
我想我妈妈会给他做饭，我通常会在八点之前吃。
Because that's the last evening prayer.
因为那是最后一次晚祷。
Did you ever leave the campus before the end of track practice?
你在田径练习结束前离开过校园吗？
Did you ever--
你有没有——
OK.
好的。
Adnan The reason why I can't say 100 is because-- I mean, I do kind of understand that it comes across as-- I don't know if it does or doesn't.
Adnan：我不能说 100 的原因是——我的意思是，我确实理解它给人的感觉是——我不知道它是否如此。
But it seems like I remember things that are beneficial to me, but things that aren't beneficial to me I can't remember.
但好像对我有利的事我记得，对我无益的事我记不住。
It's just that I don't really know what to say beyond the fact that a lot of the day that I do remember, it's bits and pieces that comes from what other people have said that they remember, right?
只是我真的不知道该说什么，除了我所记得的很多日子，都是来自其他人所说的他们记得的点点滴滴，对吗？
And it kind of jogs my memory.
这有点唤起了我的记忆。
Yeah.
是的。
I don't really know what to say.
我真的不知道该说什么。
And I completely understand how that comes across.
我完全理解这是怎么回事。
I mean, the only thing I can say is, man, it was just a normal day to me.
我的意思是，我唯一能说的是，伙计，这对我来说只是正常的一天。
There was absolutely nothing abnormal about that day.
那天完全没有任何异常。
Adnan knows better than anyone how unhelpful this all is, how problematic.
阿德南比任何人都清楚这一切是多么无益，多么有问题。
Because it plays both ways.
因为它是双向的。
If he's innocent, right, it's any other day.
如果他是无辜的，对吧，那就是其他日子了。
Of course he doesn't remember.
他当然不记得了。
But you can also read it as, how convenient.
但你也可以把它读成，多方便啊。
He doesn't remember the day.
他不记得那一天。
So no one can fact check him, or poke holes in his story.
所以没有人能够核实他的事实，或者找出他的故事中的漏洞。
Because he has no story.
因为他没有故事。
I definitely understand that someone could look at this and say, oh, man, he must be lying.
我绝对理解有人可能会看到这个并说，哦，伙计，他一定是在撒谎。
It's so coincidental that he doesn't remember what he did this particular time.
太巧合了，他都不记得自己这次做了什么。
I mean, I completely understand that, and I get that.
我的意思是，我完全理解这一点，并且我明白了。
Like I said, that's the hardest thing I've dealt with for these past 15 years.
就像我说的，这是过去 15 年来我处理过的最困难的事情。
There's nothing tangible I can do to remember that day.
我无法做任何有形的事情来记住那一天。
There's nothing I can do to make me remember.
我无能为力让我记住。
I've pored through the transcripts.
我仔细阅读了文字记录。
I've looked through the telephone records.
我查过电话记录。
What else can I do?
我还能做什么？
There's nothing I can do.
我无能为力。
So perhaps I'll never be able to explain it.
所以也许我永远无法解释它。
And it is what it is.
事实就是如此。
If someone believes me or not, you know, I have no control over it.
如果有人相信我或不相信我，你知道，我无法控制它。
Adnan's trial was a long ordeal.
阿德南的审判是一场漫长的磨难。
Jay was on the stand for something like five days.
杰伊出庭作证大约五天了。
A cellphone expert testified for two days, a lifetime when you're discussing cell tower technology.
一位手机专家作证两天，当你讨论手机信号塔技术时，就相当于一生。
There were absences, and some bad weather closed the courts.
有缺席的情况，并且一些恶劣天气导致法院关闭。
So it was six weeks before both sides rested.
这样双方就休息了六个星期。
But the jury?
但陪审团呢？
They moved like lightning.
他们像闪电一样移动。
After just a few hours, including a lunch break, they convicted Adnan of first-degree murder.
仅仅几个小时后，包括午休时间，他们就判定阿德南犯有一级谋杀罪。
Rabia Chaudry was there in the courtroom when it happened.
事情发生时，拉比亚·乔德里就在法庭上。
She says his mother was crying.
她说他的母亲在哭。
She was crying.
她在哭。
Rabia hadn't sat through the whole trial.
拉比亚没有旁听整个审判过程。
So the first time she fully understood that the case came down to those 21 minutes was during closing arguments, when the prosecutor brought out a dummy's head and strangled it in front of the jury.
所以她第一次完全明白案子已经到了这21分钟的地步，是在结案陈词的时候，检察官拿出一个假人的头，当着陪审团的面将其勒死。
That evening, after the verdict, Rabia went to see Adnan in lockup.
当天晚上，判决结束后，拉比亚去探望被关押的阿德南。
And so I went to go see him.
于是我就去看他了。
So this is the same day he's been convicted.
所以这是他被定罪的同一天。
And this is the first time I actually had a conversation with him about, what's going on?
这是我第一次真正与他交谈，到底发生了什么事？
And I was like, you know, Adnan, the whole thing's turning on these 20, 25 minutes.
我当时想，你知道，阿德南，整个事情都在这 20、25 分钟内发生。
Where were you?
当时你在哪里？
And he's like, she disappeared in January, you know?
他说，她在一月份就失踪了，你知道吗？
In March, you're asking me, where were you after school for 20 minutes on a specific day?
三月份，你问我，某一天放学后 20 分钟你在哪里？
All the days are the same to me, you know?
所有的日子对我来说都是一样的，你知道吗？
But then he mentions that there was this one girl, an alibi girl.
但随后他提到有一个女孩，一个不在场的女孩。
He's like, the only thing I could offer is I remember there's a girl I go to school with.
他说，我唯一能提供的就是我记得有一个和我一起上学的女孩。
Her name's Asia McLean.
她的名字叫艾莎·麦克莱恩。
He's like, right after I got arrested, she wrote me a couple of letters.
他就像，在我被捕后，她给我写了几封信。
And she said she also went to see my family.
她说她也去看我的家人。
And she said she specifically remembers me being at the library, at the public library, right after school.
她说她特别记得我放学后在图书馆，在公共图书馆。
The Woodlawn public library is just across the parking lot from Woodlawn High School.
伍德劳恩公共图书馆位于伍德劳恩高中停车场对面。
It's not technically part of the campus, but it might as well be.
从技术上讲，它不是校园的一部分，但也可能是。
He said, I gave those letters to Christina Gutierrez, to my attorney.
他说，我把这些信交给了我的律师克里斯蒂娜·古铁雷斯。
He's like, but apparently it didn't really check out.
他是这样的，但显然并没有真正检查出来。
So he's like, I don't know.
所以他就像，我不知道。
So they're not helpful to us.
所以他们对我们没有帮助。
So this was the first time I heard of this girl Asia McLean.
这是我第一次听说这个女孩艾莎·麦克莱恩。
I had never heard of her before.
我以前从未听说过她。
Nobody had mentioned her before.
之前没有人提到过她。
Were you floored, like, wait, wait, wait, wait, what?
你是否感到困惑，比如，等等，等等，等等，等等，什么？
I mean, like--
我的意思是，就像——
I wasn't floored at the time.
我当时并没有被压倒。
Because I thought, if this girl wrote and the attorney-- what criminal defense attorney's not going to check out a potential alibi?
因为我想，如果这个女孩写信，而律师——哪个刑事辩护律师不会检查潜在的不在场证据呢？
So I asked him, I said, do you have a copy of those letters?
所以我问他，我说，你有那些信的副本吗？
He said, yeah, I have a copy.
他说，是的，我有一份。
I said, send me a copy.
我说，给我发一份吧。
Adnan sends the letters to Rabia, and here's what she reads.
阿德南将信寄给拉比亚，以下是她读到的内容。
The first letter, the first of two, is dated March 1, 1999.
第一封信（两封信中的第一封）的日期为 1999 年 3 月 1 日。
That is one day after Adnan was arrested.
那是阿德南被捕一天后。
At the top of the letter, she notes, "I just came from your house an hour ago.
她在信的顶部写道：“我一小时前刚从你家回来。
Dear Adnan-- I hope I spelled it right.
亲爱的阿德南——我希望我拼写正确。
I'm not sure if you remember talking to me in the library on January 13, but I remember chatting with you." She says, quote, "we aren't really close friends, but I want you to look into my eyes and tell me of your innocence.
我不确定你是否记得 1 月 13 日在图书馆和我交谈过，但我记得和你聊天。”她说，“我们并不是真正亲密的朋友，但我希望你看着我的眼睛，告诉我你的清白。
If I ever find otherwise, I will hunt you down and whip your ass.
如果我发现其他情况，我会追捕你并鞭打你。
OK, friend?" At the bottom she added a little note.
好吧，朋友？”她在底部添加了一个小注释。
"My boyfriend and his best friend remember seeing you there, too."
“我的男朋友和他最好的朋友也记得在那儿见过你。”
That's letter number one.
这是第一封信。
Then the next day, on March 2, she writes Adnan another letter.
第二天，即 3 月 2 日，她又给阿德南写了一封信。
This one's typed.
这个是打字的
It's chattier.
比较闲聊。
She talks about the gossip at school, the bits and pieces of evidence about the crime that are circulating, what the students are saying, what the teachers are saying, about her visit to his house.
她谈论学校里的流言蜚语，关于犯罪的点点滴滴的证据，学生们的说法，老师们的说法，以及她去他家的经历。
Quote, "Your brothers are nice.
引用：“你的兄弟们都很好。
I don't think I met your mother.
我想我没见过你妈妈。
I think I met your dad.
我想我见过你爸爸
Does he have a big gray beard?
他有大灰胡子吗？
They gave me and Justin soda and cake.
他们给了我和贾斯汀苏打水和蛋糕。
There was a whole bunch of people at your house.
你家有一大群人。
I didn't know who they were.
我不知道他们是谁。
I also didn't know that Muslims take their shoes off in the house.
我也不知道穆斯林在家里要脱鞋。
Thank God they didn't make me take mine off.
感谢上帝，他们没有让我脱掉我的衣服。
My stinky feet probably would have knocked everyone out cold.
我的臭脚可能会让每个人都感到寒冷。
Why haven't you told anyone about talking to me in the library?" she asks him.
为什么你没有告诉任何人在图书馆和我说话的事？”她问他。
"Did you think it was unimportant?
“你以为这不重要吗？
You didn't think that I would remember?
你以为我不会记得吗？
Or did you just totally forget yourself?"
还是你根本就忘记了自己？”
Adnan says now that he does in fact remember seeing Asia in the library.
阿德南现在说，他确实记得在图书馆见过亚洲。
The thing he remembers about it is so high school.
他记得那件事是高中时期的事情。
Asia used to go out with Adnan's friend Justin.
阿莎曾经和阿德南的朋友贾斯汀一起出去。
And Justin had confided that Asia was a proper young lady." In other words, Justin wasn't getting any.
贾斯汀也曾吐露，阿莎是一位合格的年轻女士。”换句话说，贾斯汀没有得到任何好处。
So Adnan remembers thinking he would now get to tease Justin about seeing Asia with her new boyfriend.
所以阿德南记得他当时想，他现在可以取笑贾斯汀关于和她的新男友一起去亚洲的事情。
Maybe the new guy was getting lucky, ha, ha.
也许新人运气好，哈哈哈。
Anyway, Rabia calls Asia up.
不管怎样，拉比亚给阿莎打了电话。
It's been a year since she wrote the letters, but she agrees to meet.
她写信已经一年了，但她同意见面。
And she told me, that day after school I went to the public library.
她告诉我，那天放学后我去了公共图书馆。
And Adnan was sitting at a computer, checking email or something.
阿德南正坐在电脑前，检查电子邮件什么的。
And I sat down next to him.
我坐在他旁边。
We started chatting.
我们开始聊天。
And Adnan was a very popular boy in school.
阿德南在学校是一个很受欢迎的男孩。
He was handsome and popular with the ladies.
他长得很英俊，很受女士们的欢迎。
So she was speaking to him.
所以她正在跟他说话。
And her boyfriend shows up a little bit later with a friend.
稍后她的男朋友和一个朋友出现了。
And she said her boyfriend was really angry at her, because he's like, why are you talking to him?
她说她的男朋友真的很生她的气，因为他说，你为什么要和他说话？
You know, high school kids, why are you talking to him?
你知道吗，高中生，你为什么要和他说话？
Is he hitting on you?
他在打你吗？
And she remembered very specifically that that day she went to her boyfriend's house with him, and they got snowed in.
她记得很清楚，那天她和男朋友一起去他家，结果被大雪困住了。
And it snowed really heavily that night.
而且那天晚上雪下得很大。
And she remembered that for the following two days, school was closed.
她记得接下来的两天，学校都停课了。
So she had very specific details about why she remembered that day.
所以她对于为什么记得那天有非常具体的细节。
Asia wrote out an affidavit on the spot.
阿莎当场写下了一份宣誓书。
In it, she says she and Adnan spoke for about 15 to 20 minutes while she was waiting for her boyfriend to give her a ride.
在视频中，她说，当她等待男友载她时，她和阿德南聊了大约 15 到 20 分钟。
Quote, "We left around 2:40," unquote.
引用“我们在 2:40 左右离开”，取消引用。
Remember, Hae is supposed to be dead by 2:36.
请记住，Hae 预计会在 2 点 36 分之前死亡。
And then, the kicker-- "No attorney has ever contacted me about January 13, 1999 and the above information."
然后，更关键的是——“没有律师就 1999 年 1 月 13 日以及上述信息联系过我。”
So benefit of the doubt for a second-- maybe Adnan never actually showed the letters to Christina Gutierrez, his attorney.
因此，暂时相信——也许阿德南从未真正向他的律师克里斯蒂娜·古铁雷斯展示过这些信件。
Sure, he said he did, but who knows?
当然，他说他做到了，但谁知道呢？
Well, I know.
嗯，我知道。
Deep inside Gutierrez's notes on the case-- I have boxes and boxes of such stuff-- there's this in her handwriting.
在古铁雷斯关于此案的笔记深处——我有一箱又一箱这样的东西——她的笔迹中有这样的内容。
"Asia plus boyfriend saw him in library 2:15 to 3:15."
“亚洲加男朋友在2点15分到3点15分在图书馆看到了他。”
Then there's another note, dated July 13.
然后还有另一张纸条，日期为 7 月 13 日。
It's more than four months after Adnan's arrest.
阿德南被捕已经过去四个多月了。
This is written by one of Gutierrez's law clerks, who visited Adnan in jail.
这是古铁雷斯的一位法律职员写的，他曾到监狱探望过阿德南。
Quote, "Asia McLean saw him in the library at 3:00.
引用：“阿莎·麦克莱恩于 3:00 在图书馆看到了他。
Asia boyfriend saw him too.
亚洲男友也看到了他。
Library may have cameras."
图书馆可能有摄像头。”
Why, oh, why was this person never heard from at trial-- a solid, non-crazy, detail-oriented alibi witness in a case that so sorely needed alibi witnesses?
为什么，哦，为什么这个人在审判中从未得到任何消息——在一个如此迫切需要不在场证人的案件中，他是一个可靠的、不疯狂的、注重细节的不在场证人？
I can't ask Christina Gutierrez, because she died in 2004.
我不能问克里斯蒂娜·古铁雷斯，因为她已于 2004 年去世。
So I put that question to a few defense attorneys.
所以我向几位辩护律师提出了这个问题。
And they said, well, alibi witnesses can be tricky, especially if it's just one person.
他们说，嗯，不在场证人可能很棘手，特别是如果只有一个人的话。
Because then it becomes one person's word over another.
因为那时它就变成了一个人的言论而不是另一个人的言论。
A single witness like that can backfire under cross-examination.
这样的单一证人在盘问下可能会适得其反。
Or they might take the jury's focus away from the weaknesses in the state's case.
或者他们可能会将陪审团的注意力从该州案件的弱点上转移开。
So there are conceivable strategic reasons why Christina Gutierrez might not have wanted to put Asia McLean on the stand.
因此，可以想象，克里斯蒂娜·古铁雷斯不想让亚洲·麦克莱恩出庭作证，是有战略原因的。
But what is inconceivable, they all said, is to not ever contact Asia McLean, to never make the call, never check it out, never find out if her story helps or hurts your case.
但他们都说，不可思议的是永远不要联系阿莎·麦克莱恩，永远不要打电话，永远不要查看，永远不要弄清楚她的故事对你的案子是否有帮助或伤害。
That makes no sense whatsoever.
这毫无意义。
That is not a strategy.
这不是一个策略。
That is a screw-up.
那真是搞砸了。
When I first heard about the long-lost Asia letters and the lawyer's mistake, I thought, well, their fight is over, right?
当我第一次听说失落已久的亚洲信件和律师的错误时，我想，好吧，他们的争斗已经结束了，对吧？
They've got an alibi witness who was never heard from.
他们找到了一名不在场证人，但一直没有音讯。
It's such a slam dunk.
这真是一个扣篮。
They're done.
他们完成了。
Adnan's family hired a new attorney, who filed a petition in court based on the Asia affidavit.
阿德南的家人聘请了一位新律师，该律师根据亚洲宣誓书向法庭提交了请愿书。
His argument was that Adnan's trial could have turned out differently if Gutierrez had checked out Asia's story.
他的论点是，如果古铁雷斯了解了亚洲的故事，阿德南的审判结果可能会有所不同。
And so Adnan should get some form of what's called post-conviction relief.
因此，阿德南应该得到某种形式的所谓定罪后救济。
The new lawyer figures he'll get Asia to come to the hearing.
新律师预计他将让阿莎参加听证会。
She'll vouch for her story.
她会为她的故事作证。
By this time, Asia had finished school and moved away.
此时，阿莎已经完成学业并搬走了。
He finds an address on the West Coast, tries calling, sending messages-- nothing.
他在西海岸找到了一个地址，尝试打电话、发信息——什么也没有。
Finally, he writes a letter to her, gives it to a private investigator, who goes out to Asia's house in hopes of delivering it.
最后，他给她写了一封信，交给一名私家侦探，后者前往阿莎的家，希望能将这封信送达。
Asia's fiance comes to the door, opens it part way, tells the investigator that she cannot speak to Asia, but that from what he knows of Adnan's case, Adnan is guilty and deserved the punishment he got.
阿莎的未婚夫走到门口，打开门，告诉调查员她不能和阿莎说话，但从他对阿德南案子的了解来看，阿德南有罪，应该受到惩罚。
Later, the investigator gets a call from the fiance.
随后，调查员接到未婚夫的电话。
"We don't have to talk to you.
“我们不需要和你说话。
Leave us alone."
别管我们了。”
So Adnan's lawyer calls off the search for Asia, figuring once a witness turns on you like that, it's too risky to keep pushing.
因此，阿德南的律师取消了对亚洲的搜寻，因为他认为，一旦目击者像那样对你发起攻击，继续逼迫你就太危险了。
And then at Adnan's hearing on the new petition, it comes out that Asia had done the very thing they dreaded.
然后，在阿德南关于新请愿书的听证会上，事实证明亚洲做了他们所害怕的事情。
Asia had called one of the prosecutors in Adnan's case, a guy named Kevin Urick, and undermined her own statement.
阿莎给阿德南案的一位检察官凯文·乌里克打电话，并破坏了她自己的陈述。
This is from a recording of the hearing.
这是听证会的录音。
Mr. Urick is testifying on the witness stand.
尤里克先生正在证人席上作证。
Mr. Urick, how did you learn that the [INAUDIBLE] petition?
Urick 先生，您是如何得知[听不清]请愿书的？
And what did she say?
她说了什么？
Kevin Urick She was concerned, because she was being asked questions about an affidavit she'd written back at the time of the trial.
Kevin Urick 她很担心，因为她被问及有关她在审判时写回的宣誓书的问题。
She told me that she'd only written it because she was getting pressure from the family, and she basically wrote it to please them and get them off her back.
她告诉我，她写这封信只是因为她受到了来自家人的压力，她写这封信基本上是为了取悦他们，让他们摆脱她的困扰。
I don't know what happened to her and why she would do this.
我不知道她发生了什么事，也不知道她为什么要这么做。
Here's Rabia again.
拉比亚又来了。
She says it's not true that Asia was bullied into writing that statement 15 years ago.
她表示，亚洲 15 年前被迫写下这份声明的说法并不属实。
And she can't fathom why Asia would discredit her own statement like that.
她无法理解为什么亚洲会这样抹黑她自己的言论。
I don't know why.
我不知道为什么。
The affidavit was written voluntarily.
宣誓书是自愿写的。
I'm an attorney.
我是一名律师。
I'm a licensed attorney.
我是一名有执照的律师。
I work on homeland security.
我从事国土安全工作。
I have no reason to make something like this up.
我没有理由编造这样的事情。
I didn't even know she existed until after the conviction.
直到定罪后我什至都不知道她的存在。
So what do you think happened?
那么你认为发生了什么？
Why would they have this sort of violent reaction to helping out Adnan now?
为什么他们现在会对帮助阿德南产生如此强烈的反应？
So who knows what would have happened if Asia had shown up?
那么谁知道如果亚洲出现的话会发生什么？
Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference.
也许这不会有什么不同。
After all, they had the original letters and the affidavit.
毕竟，他们有原始信件和宣誓书。
That's all that should've mattered.
这才是最重要的。
But it didn't look good.
但看起来不太好。
It would be natural for the judge to wonder, why can't the defense produce this Asia person?
法官自然会想，为什么辩方不能培养出这位亚洲人呢？
Why is she making this call to a prosecutor?
她为什么要给检察官打电话？
I mean, anyone would wonder.
我的意思是，任何人都会想知道。
I wondered.
我想知道。
I wondered if maybe she was pressured into writing that affidavit.
我想知道她是否是被迫写了这份宣誓书。
And I wondered if she was hiding something.
我想知道她是否隐瞒了什么。
Like maybe she'd lied in those 1999 letters.
好像她在 1999 年的信中撒了谎。
Maybe she didn't really see Adnan at the library that day and had just wanted to insert herself into something exciting.
也许那天她并没有真正在图书馆见到阿德南，只是想参与一些令人兴奋的事情。
And maybe now that she was grown up, she wanted nothing to do with any of it.
也许现在她已经长大了，她不想再参与其中。
So three, four months after I first sat down with Rabia, I had become fixated on finding Asia.
因此，在我第一次与 Rabia 坐下来三、四个月后，我就开始专注于寻找亚洲。
I'm like a bloodhound on this thing.
在这件事上我就像一只猎犬。
Because the whole case seemed to me to be teetering on her memories of that afternoon.
因为在我看来，整个案件似乎都在她对那天下午的记忆中摇摇欲坠。
I have to know if Adnan really was in the library at 2:36 PM.
我必须知道阿德南下午 2:36 是否真的在图书馆。
Because if he was, library equals innocent.
因为如果他是，图书馆就等于无辜。
It's so maddeningly simple.
这实在是太简单了。
And maybe I can crack it if I could just talk to Asia.
如果我能和亚洲谈谈的话，也许我就能破解这个问题。
I write her a long, gentle, pleading letter and send it off to an address I find online.
我给她写了一封长长的、温柔的恳求信，然后寄到我在网上找到的一个地址。
I'm calling people who know her or who I think might know her.
我正在给认识她或我认为可能认识她的人打电话。
I'm checking the same loop of Facebook, MyLife, LinkedIn sites over and over, trawling for clues about where she might be or how she might think.
我一遍又一遍地查看 Facebook、MyLife、LinkedIn 网站的同一个循环，寻找有关她可能在哪里或她可能如何思考的线索。
If you're wondering why I went so nuts on this story versus some other murder case, the best I can explain is this is the one that came to me.
如果你想知道为什么我对这个故事和其他谋杀案如此着迷，我能解释的最好的就是这就是我想到的一个。
It wasn't halfway across the world or even next door.
它不是在地球的另一边，甚至不是隔壁。
It came right to my lap.
它正好来到我的腿上。
And if I could help get to the bottom of it, shouldn't I try?
如果我能帮助查清真相，我不应该尝试一下吗？
I start running down all the other information in Asia's 1999 letters.
我开始记下亚洲 1999 年信件中的所有其他信息。
She mentioned there were security cameras inside the library.
她提到图书馆内有安全摄像头。
So my producer and I went to see the very nice manager there, Michelle Hamiel.
所以我和我的制片人去见了那里非常好的经理米歇尔·哈米尔。
Was there a security system back in '99 that could've been checked at the time?
99 年是否有可以在当时检查的安全系统？
OK.
好的。
And what system was it?
那是什么系统？
Michelle Hamiel I have no idea.
米歇尔·哈米尔 我不知道。
[LAUGHING] It was an old system.
[笑]这是一个旧系统。
It was video.
那是视频。
And that was part of set up.
这是设置的一部分。
Every morning you put a videotape in.
每天早上你都会放一盘录像带。
Yes.
是的。
I think it ran for a week.
我认为它运行了一个星期。
So you had a Monday tape, a Tuesday tape, a Wednesday tape, and so forth.
所以你有周一的磁带、周二的磁带、周三的磁带等等。
So even if, on the very day that Asia had written her first letter, Adnan's lawyer had run out to find the security tape, it probably would have been nonexistent by then.
因此，即使在阿莎写下第一封信的当天，阿德南的律师跑出去找到安全磁带，到那时它也可能已经不存在了。
But what about the computer Adnan was supposedly using to check his email?
但阿德南用来检查电子邮件的电脑又如何呢？
To use the computer, did people have to sign in, write their name down?
要使用计算机，人们必须登录并写下自己的名字吗？
They did.
他们做到了。
Sarah Koenig And what was the system then?
Sarah Koenig 那么当时的系统是什么？
Piece of paper and pencil.
一张纸和一支铅笔。
Sarah Koenig And those, by any chance, weren't logged meticulously and kept for 15 years, were they?
Sarah Koenig：而那些，无论如何，都没有被仔细记录并保存了 15 年，是吗？
No. [LAUGHING] Sarah Koenig Bummer.
不。[笑]莎拉·柯尼格真是太糟糕了。
We got nothing.
我们什么也没得到。
Then there was the mystery of Asia's boyfriend, Derek, and his friend Jerrod.
还有阿莎的男友德里克和他的朋友杰罗德的谜团。
All winter and spring, every time I went to Baltimore, I went to Derek's mom's house looking for him, and to Jerrod's window tinting business.
整个冬天和春天，每次我去巴尔的摩，我都会去德里克的妈妈家寻找他，并去杰罗德的窗户贴膜生意。
And then finally--
然后最后——
Yes, I am.
是的，我是。
Sarah Koenig You don't know how excited we are to be talking to you.
莎拉·柯尼格（Sarah Koenig）您不知道我们对与您交谈感到多么兴奋。
I've been looking for you for, like, four months.
我找你已经找了大概四个月了。
What did I do?
我做了什么？
Sarah Koenig You didn't do anything.
莎拉·柯尼格 你什么也没做。
But we were hoping maybe you remembered this moment.
但我们希望你可能还记得这一刻。
On January 13, 1999, do you have any memory, by any miracle, that you went to Woodlawn public library branch near Woodlawn High School to pick up Asia McLean with your friend Derek?
1999 年 1 月 13 日，你是否记得，奇迹般的是，你和你的朋友德里克一起去伍德劳恩高中附近的伍德劳恩公共图书馆分馆接阿莎·麦克莱恩？
I have no idea.
我不知道。
Asia McLean.
亚洲·麦克莱恩.
Is that a person or a book?
那是一个人还是一本书？
It's a person.
这是一个人。
Jerrod Johnson No, no recollection of it.
杰罗德·约翰逊：不，不记得了。
Scratch Jerrod.
抓挠杰罗德。
Derek was my last hope.
德里克是我最后的希望。
Eventually I caught him at home.
最终我在家里抓住了他。
Considering I woke him up, he was exceedingly courteous.
考虑到我叫醒了他，他非常有礼貌。
He showed me a photo of Asia and him all dressed up.
他给我看了一张亚洲的照片，他盛装打扮。
They dated most of senior year.
他们高年级的大部分时间都在约会。
What's up here?
这是怎么回事？
Derek This is our senior prom.
德里克 这是我们的毕业舞会。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
That's Asia, yeah.
那是亚洲，是的。
Sarah Koenig But Derek couldn't remember that day either-- shocking, I know.
莎拉·柯尼格：但德里克也不记得那天——我知道，这很令人震惊。
He used to pick Asia up from school almost every day back then, either from the library or from the front of the school.
那时他几乎每天都会去学校接阿莎，不是从图书馆就是从学校门口。
And he says he spoke to a lot of her friends just to be polite.
他说他和她的很多朋友交谈只是出于礼貌。
And it's very possible that I could have spoken to the gentleman and her on that day.
那天我很可能可以和那位先生和她说话。
But it's very hard to remember 15 years later.
但15年后就很难再记得了。
But it sounds like this definitely could have happened.
但听起来这绝对有可能发生。
I don't think Asia would-- Asia's not the type of person that would lie just to--
我不认为亚洲会——亚洲不是那种只会撒谎的人——
That's what I'm wondering.
这就是我想知道的。
Derek She's definitely not that type of person to get involved with a lie.
Derek：她绝对不是那种会撒谎的人。
She's not that type of person.
她不是那种人。
So it seemed pretty credible to me.
所以这对我来说似乎很可信。
One day I get a call on my cellphone from a blocked number.
有一天，我的手机接到一个被屏蔽号码打来的电话。
I mean, I have a couple minutes if you want to chat about it.
我的意思是，如果你想聊聊这个问题，我有几分钟的时间。
You guessed it-- Asia.
你猜对了——亚洲。
Ira Glass Coming up, what Asia remembers, which is a lot.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 即将登场，亚洲记得的事情很多。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, Sarah Koenig looks into the murder of a Baltimore teenager back in 1999.
今天，在我们的节目中，莎拉·柯尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 调查了 1999 年巴尔的摩一名青少年被谋杀的事件。
Our story continues.
我们的故事还在继续。
You remember where we left off.
你还记得我们离开的地方。
Sarah had been looking for Asia McLean.
莎拉一直在寻找艾莎·麦克莱恩。
Here's Sarah.
这是莎拉。
I wish I could say that my charming, persuasive letter is what prompted Asia to call.
我希望我能说，是我那封迷人而有说服力的信促使阿莎打电话来的。
But the truth is, she never got my letter.
但事实是，她从未收到我的信。
I had the wrong address.
我的地址有误。
But she was calling because I'd followed up weeks later with a one-line email.
但她打电话来是因为几周后我又发了一封单行电子邮件跟进。
And she was responding to that, a little confused.
她对此的反应有点困惑。
It's just crazy.
这太疯狂了。
I mean, I have a couple minutes if you want to chat about it.
我的意思是，如果你想聊聊这个问题，我有几分钟的时间。
I recorded our conversation on the cell, which is why the sound quality is so bad.
我用手机录下了我们的谈话，所以音质很差。
Sorry about that.
对此感到抱歉。
Asia is now a 33-year-old stay-at-home mother.
亚洲现在是一位33岁的全职妈妈。
And she has not spent the last 15 years worrying about Adnan and whether he's guilty.
在过去的 15 年里，她并没有担心阿德南以及他是否有罪。
I trust the court system to do their due diligence.
我相信法院系统会尽职调查。
Because I was never questioned.
因为我从来没有被质疑过。
I was never informed of anything pertaining to the case.
我从未被告知任何与此案有关的事情。
I don't know why he was convicted.
我不知道他为什么被定罪。
Asia said she was spooked when the private investigator came to her house.
阿莎说，当私家侦探来到她家时，她感到很害怕。
I don't know if that's why she didn't testify at the hearing or why she made the call to the prosecutor.
我不知道这是否就是她没有在听证会上作证或打电话给检察官的原因。
But she told me that when she got the knock at the door, quote, "that was not cool." Because to her, if Adnan did do it, quote, "the last thing you want is a murderer being pissed off at you, knowing where you live."
但她告诉我，当她听到敲门声时，引用的话，“这并不酷。”因为对她来说，如果阿德南真的这么做了，引用的话，“你最不想看到的就是凶手对你生气，知道你住在哪里。”
But she had a remarkably clear memory of what happened on January 13, 1999.
但她对1999年1月13日发生的事情却记忆犹新。
She had an internship at the time, and so she got out of school much earlier than everyone else.
她当时正在实习，所以放学的时间比其他人都早。
Derek was supposed to come get her at the library along with Jerrod, but they were very late.
德里克本来应该和杰罗德一起去图书馆接她，但他们迟到了。
She remembers seeing Adnan come in after Woodlawn let out for the day.
她记得在伍德劳恩休息一天后看到阿德南进来了。
Adnan came in.
阿德南进来了。
He sat at the table.
他坐在桌边。
And we weren't really close friends or anything like that, but we knew each other.
我们并不是真正的亲密朋友或类似的人，但我们彼此认识。
And we chatted or whatever.
我们聊天什么的。
And I can't remember.
我不记得了。
I think I must have asked him how he was doing or whatever, and he said fine.
我想我一定问过他过得怎么样或者其他什么，他说很好。
And he told me that him and Hae had broke up.
他告诉我他和Hae已经分手了。
And I was like, oh, well, that's a bummer.
我当时想，哦，好吧，这真是太糟糕了。
And I was like, what happened?
我当时想，发生了什么事？
And he was like, oh, well, she is seeing this other guy, some white dude.
他说，哦，好吧，她正在和另一个人约会，一个白人。
But he was pretty chill about it.
但他对此非常冷淡。
He was just like, you know, well, if she doesn't want to be with me, then that's fine.
他就像，你知道，好吧，如果她不想和我在一起，那也没关系。
I just wish the best for her-- that kind of attitude.
我只是希望她一切顺利——就是那种态度。
I'm not sure why Asia's memory of this interaction is so clear all these years later.
我不知道为什么这么多年后亚洲对这次互动的记忆如此清晰。
My best guess is that, because she wrote it down at the time in those letters and then the affidavit, that the details somehow stuck.
我最好的猜测是，因为她当时在那些信中写下了这些内容，然后在宣誓书中写下了这些细节，所以细节不知何故被保留了下来。
Do you remember what time you were talking, this would have happened in the library?
你还记得你们什么时候说的，这件事发生在图书馆吗？
Do you remember what time that conversation would have happened?
你还记得那次谈话发生在什么时间吗？
I don't.
我不知道。
Because I know school let out around 2:15.
因为我知道学校在 2 点 15 分左右放学。
So it was probably around 2:30.
所以大概是2点30分左右。
Because you had said you got out of school earlier than other people.
因为你说过你比别人早放学。
So were you there, were you at the library, before 2:15?
那么 2 点 15 分之前，你在图书馆吗？
Oh, yeah, I had been at the library for a few hours.
哦，是的，我在图书馆呆了几个小时。
Oh wow.
哦哇。
Asia Mclean Yeah, I was pretty pissed when Derek showed up.
Asia Mclean 是的，当德里克出现时我很生气。
And he asked me who Adnan was.
他问我阿德南是谁。
That was teenager boy language.
那是十几岁男孩的语言。
He's like, you know, who the hell is that?
他就像，你知道，那到底是谁？
And I said, don't even start with me.
我说，别从我开始。
Because you're a few hours late.
因为你迟到了几个小时。
Don't worry about who that is, you know?
别担心那是谁，知道吗？
I remember that day, because that was the day that it snowed.
我记得那一天，因为那天下雪了。
Were there snow days after that, do you remember?
那之后还有下雪天吗，你还记得吗？
I want to say there was, because I think that was like the first snow of the year.
我想说有，因为我认为那就像今年的第一场雪。
I wouldn't have even remembered if it hadn't have been for the snow.
如果不是下雪，我什至都不会记得。
And the whole-- I just remember being so pissed about Derek being late and then getting snowed in at his house.
整个过程——我只记得我对德里克迟到然后在他家里被雪困住感到非常生气。
And it was the first snow of that year.
那是那一年的第一场雪。
The snow is important.
雪很重要。
Hae disappeared on a Wednesday.
海在周三失踪。
That night there was a huge ice storm, which is unusual in Maryland.
那天晚上发生了一场巨大的冰暴，这在马里兰州是不寻常的。
It ended up being a state emergency.
它最终成为国家紧急状态。
And school was closed for the rest of the week.
学校在本周剩余时间关闭。
Asia started asking me questions about the case.
阿莎开始问我有关此案的问题。
Wasn't there DNA evidence?
不是有DNA证据吗？
And what exactly was Jay's part in the whole thing?
杰伊在整个事件中究竟扮演了什么角色？
She wasn't sure Adnan was guilty.
她不确定阿德南是否有罪。
She said things I've now heard from so many people since.
从那以后，我从很多人那里听到了她说过的话。
He seemed like he cared about Hae.
看来他很关心海伊。
He didn't seem angry or upset.
他看上去并没有生气或不安。
I thought there was more proof.
我以为还有更多证据。
Even that day, I didn't walk away thinking, oh, I just started something.
即使那天，我离开时也没有想，哦，我刚刚开始做某事。
Do you know what I mean?
你知道我的意思吗？
If you want to base his innocence off of his composure at that moment, I would say he's innocent.
如果你想从他当时的冷静来判断他的清白，我会说他是清白的。
But I'm 32 years old now, and I know that there's people out there capable of heinous acts that can keep a calm demeanor, you know?
但我现在已经32岁了，我知道有些人可以做出令人发指的事情，但可以保持冷静，你知道吗？
And I know that there are people who flip out on a moment's notice and do something that they regret for the rest of their lives.
我知道有些人一不小心就会发脾气，做出一些让他们终生后悔的事情。
Even now, it would be nice if there was some technicality, something that would prove his innocence.
即使是现在，如果能有一些技术性的东西来证明他的清白就好了。
Great, you know?
太好了，你知道吗？
One less evil person I've met in my life, you know?
我一生中遇到过一个不那么邪恶的人，你知道吗？
But I think, Asia, you might be that technicality.
但我认为，亚洲，你可能就是那种技术性的人。
Do you see what I mean?
你明白我的意思吗？
If you're saying that you saw him on this day at that time, that means the state's timeline for their whole theory of the case doesn't make any sense.
如果你说你在那天那个时间见过他，那就意味着该州对整个案件理论的时间表没有任何意义。
It's a possibility.
这是一种可能性。
Sarah Koenig Because they're saying he was in the car with her at the very time that you're saying, no, I saw him at the library, and we were talking.
莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）：因为他们说，就在你说的时候，他和她在车里，不，我在图书馆看到他，我们正在说话。
Do you know what I mean?
你知道我的意思吗？
That's exactly the window where they're saying she was murdered.
他们说她就是在那个窗口被谋杀的。
[SIGH] Sarah Koenig In case you couldn't hear that, it was a sigh.
[叹息] Sarah Koenig 如果你听不到，那是一声叹息。
And I completely understand that sigh.
我完全理解那一声叹息。
That's how I feel a lot of the time.
我很多时候就是这么感觉的。
Because I talk to Adnan regularly, and he just doesn't seem like a murderer.
因为我经常和阿德南交谈，而且他看上去并不像凶手。
A few minutes after I hung up with Asia, Adnan called on schedule.
我挂断阿莎的电话几分钟后，阿德南如期打来电话。
I'm good.
我很好。
I'm good.
我很好。
So I was just talking to Asia McLean.
我刚才正在和亚洲麦克莱恩谈话。
OK.
好的。
Sarah Koenig You don't sound very excited.
莎拉·柯尼格（Sarah Koenig）：你听起来不太兴奋。
I had a-- well, I really-- Sarah Koenig This was not the reaction I expected.
我有一个——嗯，我真的——莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig） 这不是我预期的反应。
I felt like I'd just interviewed an ivory-billed woodpecker.
我感觉自己就像刚刚采访了一只象牙嘴啄木鸟。
But when I told Adnan what Asia remembered, instead of being excited, Adnan said it was heartbreaking.
但当我告诉阿德南亚洲的记忆时，阿德南非但没有感到兴奋，反而说这是令人心碎。
I mean, on a personal level, I'm happy.
我的意思是，就个人而言，我很高兴。
Because, in a sense, I'm not making this up.
因为，从某种意义上说，这不是我编造的。
And at least, if nothing else, it's kind of like, at least someone other than Rabia knows that this did take place.
至少，如果不出意外的话，至少拉比亚以外的人知道这件事确实发生过。
Anything that can kind of support what I'm saying to be the truth, that I didn't do this, is great.
任何能够支持我所说的事实（我没有这样做）的事情都很棒。
But from a legal perspective, it's like, I wish she would have came to this realization maybe like a year and a half ago, you know what I mean?
但从法律角度来看，我希望她能在一年半前意识到这一点，你知道我的意思吗？
Because it's kind of like, it's too late.
因为有点像，已经太晚了。
I'm sorry, I definitely appreciate it.
抱歉，我非常感激。
And I definitely kind of hear the elation in your voice.
我确实听出了你声音中的兴高采烈。
But now I feel like I punctured your balloon.
但现在我感觉我刺破了你的气球。
No, no, I totally see what you're saying.
不，不，我完全明白你在说什么。
I hadn't thought about it in that way.
我没有这样想过。
When I told Rabia I talked to Asia, she immediately burst into tears.
当我告诉拉比亚我和亚洲谈过话时，她立即泪流满面。
Because they were all correct.
因为他们都是正确的。
It was too late.
太晚了。
The judge ruled on Adnan's petition a few weeks before I spoke to Asia-- denied.
在我与亚洲交谈之前几周，法官对阿德南的请愿书做出了裁决——遭到拒绝。
The judge wrote in his opinion that Christina Gutierrez's decision not to use Asia McLean as an alibi witness was strategic.
法官在他的意见中写道，克里斯蒂娜·古铁雷斯决定不使用艾莎·麦克莱恩作为不在场证人是战略性的。
After all, Asia's original letters didn't specify an exact time.
毕竟，阿莎的原始信件并没有具体说明具体时间。
And Gutierrez could've reasonably concluded that Asia was offering to lie in order to help Adnan.
古铁雷斯可以合理地得出结论，亚洲愿意撒谎以帮助阿德南。
And finally, he wrote, Asia's letter contradicted Adnan's own alibi.
最后，他写道，阿莎的信与阿德南自己的不在场证据相矛盾。
Asia says she saw him at the public library, but Adnan said he was on the school campus the whole afternoon.
阿莎说她在公共图书馆看到了他，但阿德南说他整个下午都在校园里。
Maybe the judge didn't understand that Woodlawn library is basically part of the campus.
也许法官不明白伍德劳恩图书馆基本上是校园的一部分。
But anyway, Asia's story, then, is legally worthless.
但无论如何，亚洲的故事在法律上毫无价值。
A witness who says she saw you at the exact moment when the state contends you were strangling a young woman in a car is worthless.
一名证人说，当州政府声称您在车里勒死一名年轻女子时，她看到了您，那么她是毫无价值的。
A few days after I spoke to Asia, she wrote me an email.
在我与亚洲交谈几天后，她给我写了一封电子邮件。
"I've been thinking a lot about Adnan," she wrote.
“我一直在想阿德南，”她写道。
"All this time I thought the courts proved it was Adnan that killed her.
“一直以来，我都认为法庭证明是阿德南杀了她。
I thought he was where he deserved to be.
我认为他已经到了他应得的位置。
Now I'm not so sure.
现在我不太确定了。
Hae was our friend, too.
海也是我们的朋友。
And it sucks feeling like you don't know who really killed your friend.
感觉就像你不知道谁真正杀了你的朋友一样，这很糟糕。
Hae was the sweetest person ever.
海是有史以来最可爱的人。
If he didn't kill Hae, we owe it to him to try to make that clear.
如果他没有杀死海，我们就应该尽力澄清这一点。
And if he did kill her, then we need to put this to rest.
如果他真的杀了她，那么我们就需要平息这一切。
I just hope that Adnan isn't some sick bastard just trying to manipulate his way out of jail." I wrote back, "Believe me, I'm on exactly the same page."
我只是希望阿德南不是一个只是想通过操纵手段逃出监狱的病态混蛋。”我回信说：“相信我，我的想法完全一样。”
Sarah Koenig-- she's the host of our new podcast Serial .
莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig)——她是我们新播客系列节目的主持人。
You just heard the first episode of that podcast.
您刚刚听到了该播客的第一集。
Every episode after this is going to bring you the next chapter in her search for the truth about the murder of Hae Min Lee.
此后的每一集都会为您带来她寻找李海民谋杀案真相的新篇章。
And you don't have to wait to hear the next installment.
而且您不必等待收听下一部分。
You can listen to Episode 2 right now.
您现在可以收听第 2 集。
Go to serialpodcast.org.
访问serialpodcast.org。
That's serial not spelled like the breakfast food.
那是连续剧，不像早餐食品那样拼写。
And you can listen right there by clicking Play.
您可以通过单击“播放”来收听。
Or you can download the episode to listen later on your phone or tablet or whatever.
或者您可以下载该剧集以便稍后在手机或平板电脑或其他设备上收听。
One of the great things about this story is that I can tell you, as Sarah has been reporting this, she and Julie Snyder and Dana Chivvis, who are working with her on this, have all flipped back and forth, over and over, in their thinking about whether Adnan committed the murder.
这个故事最棒的事情之一是，我可以告诉你，正如莎拉报道的那样，她和与她合作的朱莉·斯奈德和达纳·奇夫维斯都在思考阿德南是否犯下了谋杀案。
And when you listen to the series, you experience those flips with them.
当你听这个系列节目时，你会和他们一起经历那些翻转。
You go back and forth with them.
你和他们一起来回。
You hear the evidence that Sarah uncovers as she uncovers it.
你会听到莎拉揭露的证据。
And you can join her in trying to figure out exactly what happened and who to believe.
你可以和她一起尝试弄清楚究竟发生了什么以及该相信谁。
And as the series continues, a lot of things are going to happen.
随着系列的继续，很多事情将会发生。
I think that there are other people involved.
我认为还有其他人参与其中。
I think maybe he was set up somehow.
我想也许他是被人陷害的。
Clearly you could tell something was going on that wasn't good.
显然你可以看出正在发生一些不好的事情。
I mean, it was just strange behavior for anybody.
我的意思是，这对任何人来说都是奇怪的行为。
Basically threatened me, like, you know what happened to Hae.
基本上是威胁我，比如，你知道海发生了什么事。
This is what's going to happen to you.
这就是你将会发生的事情。
That's how I felt that day.
这就是我那天的感受。
Jay told me he was being blackmailed by Adnan.
杰伊告诉我他被阿德南勒索。
Because Adnan knew that Jay couldn't go to the police.
因为阿德南知道杰伊不能去报警。
Like if this works, every question we've had for the past eight months, he knows it.
就像如果这有效的话，过去八个月我们遇到的每一个问题，他都知道。
Yeah, I mean, who else did it?
是的，我的意思是，还有谁干的？
They're running out of suspects.
他们已经没有嫌疑人了。
I should say we're doing this new show as a podcast.
我应该说我们正在以播客的形式制作这个新节目。
And in fact, we've made an instructional video that stars me and an 80-something-year-old friend of mine from the dog park, Mary Ahern.
事实上，我们制作了一个教学视频，主角是我和我的一位 80 多岁的狗公园朋友玛丽·埃亨 (Mary Ahern)。
If you are an older person who is scared of this technology, my friend Mary, who is herself an older person and who listens on her iPad every week, can get you up and running in like a minute and a half.
如果您是一位害怕这项技术的老年人，我的朋友玛丽（Mary）本身就是一位老年人，每周都会在她的 iPad 上收听，她可以在大约一分半钟内帮助您启动并运行。
That instructional video and the place where we deliver Serial Episode 2 to you is serialpodcast.org.
该教学视频以及我们向您提供 Serial Episode 2 的地方是serialpodcast.org。
Again, one last time, that's serialpodcast.org.
再说一次，最后一次，那是serialpodcast.org。
Our program was produced today by Julie Snyder, Dana Chivvis, and Sarah Koenig.
今天我们的节目由 Julie Snyder、Dana Chivvis 和 Sarah Koenig 制作。
Emily Condon did like 1 million practical and operational things to get their new series up and running.
Emily Condon 做了 100 万件实际和可操作的事情来启动和运行他们的新系列。
Fact checking from Karen Fragala Smith.
凯伦·弗拉加拉·史密斯的事实核查。
The music in today's program was composed and performed by Nick Thorburn.
今天节目中的音乐由尼克·索伯恩创作并演奏。
The rest of our radio staff-- Ben Calhoun, Sean Cole, Stephanie Foo, Chana Joffe-Walt, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, Brian Reed, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
我们的其他广播工作人员——Ben Calhoun、Sean Cole、Stephanie Foo、Chana Joffe-Walt、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar、Brian Reed、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike。
Production help from JP Dukes.
JP Dukes 提供制作帮助。
Seth Lind is our operations director.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的运营总监。
Elise Bergerson's our office manager.
埃莉斯·伯格森是我们的办公室经理。
Adrianne Mathiowetz runs our website.
阿德琳娜·马修韦茨 (Adrianne Mathiowetz) 负责运营我们的网站。
That website, where you'll find links today to Serial 's website and to our instructional video on how to get a podcast-- thisamericanlife.org.
今天您可以在该网站上找到 Serial 网站的链接以及我们有关如何获取播客的教学视频 - thisamericanlife.org。
Thanks today to Brendan Dunning and to our web developer Rich Orris.
今天感谢 Brendan Dunning 和我们的网络开发人员 Rich Orris。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们计划的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
He's been happily married for decades, but his parents, they're so puritanical.
他几十年来一直过着幸福的婚姻，但他的父母却非常清教徒。
You know, on one side, my family thinks I'm a virgin.
你知道，一方面，我的家人认为我是处女。
But on the other hand, I've played-- you know.
但另一方面，我也玩过——你知道。
But it's the truth.
但这是事实。
TMI, TMI.
TMI，TMI。
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass.
艾拉·格拉斯 我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of this American life.
下周我们将带来更多有关美国生活的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。