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Prologue Ira Glass Last year, Kevin got his mom gloves for Christmas and a hat.
序言 Ira Glass 去年，凯文给他妈妈买了手套和帽子作为圣诞节礼物。
And his twin sister, Karyn, what did she get their mom?
还有他的双胞胎妹妹卡琳，她给他们的妈妈带来了什么？
I got her a pair of leather gloves, I think.
我想我给她买了一双皮手套。
Yeah.
是的。
I got them before Kevin, so I was kind of angry with him, because--
我在凯文之前拿到了它们，所以我对他有点生气，因为——
Oh, because you knew that she got leather gloves?
哦，因为你知道她有皮手套？
No. I didn't know.
不，我不知道。
So then she asked me what I was getting my mom.
然后她问我给妈妈买了什么。
And then I was like, I got her gloves.
然后我就想，我得到了她的手套。
And she was like, no, I got her gloves.
她说，不，我得到了她的手套。
And I'm like-- yeah.
我想——是的。
So that's why I got her the hat was because she got gloves, and then I had to go get something else.
所以这就是为什么我给她买帽子是因为她有手套，然后我不得不去买别的东西。
Now, to be clear, he still gave her the gloves.
现在，需要澄清的是，他仍然把手套给了她。
So basically, he gave their mom the same present that Karyn gave her mom plus a hat, which might sound like he totally trumped Karyn's gift for the mom, except--
所以基本上，他给他们妈妈的礼物和卡琳送给她妈妈的礼物一样，再加上一顶帽子，这听起来像是他完全胜过了卡琳给妈妈的礼物，除了——
I got leather gloves, though.
不过我有皮手套。
So it's kind of different.
所以这有点不同。
Oh, yours were nicer.
哦，你的更好。
Karyn Yeah, mine were nicer.
Karyn 是的，我的更好。
I got leather.
我有皮革。
He had to add a hat to rise to the level of her leather gloves.
他必须加一顶帽子才能达到她皮手套的高度。
The French essayist Roland Barthes once wrote that when people say I love you, it usually doesn't mean the thought, I love you.
法国散文家罗兰·巴特曾写道，当人们说“我爱你”时，通常并不意味着“我爱你”。
And I think what he was saying was that more often when we say I love you, what we mean by it is, I need to get off the phone right now, mom.
我认为他所说的是，更多时候，当我们说我爱你时，我们的意思是，我现在需要挂断电话，妈妈。
Or let's stop fighting.
或者我们停止战斗吧。
Or I'm not loving you right this very second, but I definitely do feel love in a more general and bigger way that I want to acknowledge with these words.
或者我此刻并没有爱你，但我确实确实以一种更普遍、更广泛的方式感受到了爱，我想用这些话来承认这一点。
And giving a Christmas present, I think, is a lot like that.
我认为送圣诞礼物也很像这样。
Sometimes it means I love you, right?
有时候这意味着我爱你，对吗？
I want you to have this.
我想要你拥有这个。
I love you.
我爱你。
But a hat that you get from your teenage son, it can mean all kinds of things.
但如果你从十几岁的儿子那里得到一顶帽子，它可能意味着各种各样的事情。
I bought the LEGO Star Wars Defender Class Cruiser for a little kid this year.
我今年为一个小孩买了乐高星球大战卫士级巡洋舰。
And what I meant by it was I love you.
我的意思是我爱你。
I definitely meant I love you.
我的意思肯定是我爱你。
But I also meant I know that your mom and dad just split up, and I feel like I should be flying out to California more often to see you.
但我也意味着我知道你的妈妈和爸爸刚刚分手，我觉得我应该更频繁地飞往加利福尼亚去看你。
And I feel guilty about not doing that more.
我为没有做得更多而感到内疚。
And I know that that is a lot of feelings to be putting on to 927 little plastic bricks.
我知道 927 个小塑料积木承载着很多感情。
Or, you know, take the gift that Kevin got his dad last year.
或者，你知道，拿一下凯文去年送给他爸爸的礼物。
I got him some hammers because he was low on hammers.
我给他买了一些锤子，因为他的锤子不够了。
And he's good with his hands, and he likes to build stuff.
他的双手很好，而且喜欢建造东西。
So I got him some nice hammers.
所以我给他买了一些漂亮的锤子。
How'd that go over?
事情进展得怎么样？
Kevin He likes them.
凯文·赫喜欢他们。
I don't have to take his word for this.
我不必相信他的话。
We're at the Arundel Mills Mall outside Baltimore, and Kevin's dad, JD, is standing right there.
我们在巴尔的摩郊外的阿伦德尔米尔斯购物中心，凯文的父亲 JD 就站在那里。
They're doing Christmas shopping.
他们正在做圣诞购物。
Do you remember the hammers?
你还记得锤子吗？
Jd I do.
我愿意。
He lost all the other ones, so his mother made him buy me hammers to replace the ones that were all gone.
其他的他都丢了，所以他妈妈让他给我买了锤子来代替那些都消失了的。
But they were all gone.
但他们都走了。
So he brought me an assortment of hammers.
所以他给我带来了各种各样的锤子。
Are they nice?
他们好吗？
Jd They're hammers, you know.
Jd 他们是锤子，你知道。
Not that JD is ungrateful.
并不是说JD忘恩负义。
JD likes the hammers.
JD喜欢锤子。
JD has five kids.
JD 有五个孩子。
He loves all the presents that his kids get him, all the presents.
他喜欢孩子们送给他的所有礼物，所有的礼物。
Karyn remembers a present that she made for her dad back when she was eight or nine.
卡琳记得她八九岁时为父亲做的一件礼物。
I had these two pieces of wood.
我有这两块木头。
I chopped them up into little squares.
我把它们切成小方块。
They weren't really good squares.
它们并不是真正的好方块。
And then I painted little dots on them and made them into dice.
然后我在它们上面涂上小点，把它们做成骰子。
Are you sure he was disappointed in them, or did you just feel like it was a crappy present?
你确定他对它们感到失望，还是你只是觉得这是一个蹩脚的礼物？
It was a crappy present.
这是一个蹩脚的礼物。
He couldn't just throw it away.
他不能就这么把它扔掉。
I think that he was trying not to hurt my feelings.
我认为他试图不伤害我的感情。
Well, now years have passed.
好吧，现在已经过去很多年了。
She's almost twice as old.
她的年龄几乎是她的两倍。
Like, do you want to say what you honestly felt about those dice?
比如，你想说出你对这些骰子的真实感受吗？
Very unique.
非常独特。
Very unique.
非常独特。
Karyn Isn't it crappy, though?
Karyn 但这不是很糟糕吗？
Oh, no. It's not.
哦，不。它不是。
They're handmade.
它们是手工制作的。
I'll never let go of them, OK?
我永远不会放开他们，好吗？
Where are they?
他们在哪里？
Jd In my library in a display case.
Jd 在我图书馆的展示柜里。
OK.
好的。
This sounds like it can't possibly be true.
这听起来似乎不可能是真的。
But both kids insist that, yes, he is not being sarcastic.
但两个孩子都坚持认为，是的，他并不是在讽刺。
He saves everything, has big display cases with old presents and toys in them.
他保存了所有东西，有一个大展示柜，里面装着旧礼物和玩具。
But, you know, if your parents are fine with any crappy gift, that poses another problem.
但是，你知道，如果你的父母可以接受任何蹩脚的礼物，那就会带来另一个问题。
We got some stuff for our parents.
我们给父母买了一些东西。
My mom, she got lotion.
我妈妈，她有乳液。
My dad, he got some lanyard for his keys and some bottle openers.
我爸爸，他有一些钥匙挂绳和一些开瓶器。
Gage and William Ross are at the mall on this particular Sunday before Christmas.
圣诞节前的这个周日，盖奇和威廉·罗斯在购物中心。
They're brothers, and their parents went to the casino that's part of the mall-- yes, there's a casino-- and threw them out here, Gage says, with $60 and instructions to buy them Christmas presents.
盖奇说，他们是兄弟，他们的父母去了商场里的赌场——是的，有一家赌场——然后把他们扔到了这里，盖奇说，并给了他们 60 美元和给他们买圣诞礼物的指示。
We spent about $20 on their stuff, and then the rest was ours.
我们花了大约 20 美元买了他们的东西，然后剩下的就是我们的了。
Lanyard.
挂绳。
Chewing gum.
口香糖。
Ira Glass Like the twins, like a dozen other teenagers that I interviewed at the mall, they said that it is just really hard buying for your parents.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 就像这对双胞胎，以及我在商场采访的其他十几个青少年一样，他们说这对你的父母来说真的很难买。
Because they never tell you what they really want.
因为他们永远不会告诉你他们真正想要什么。
They just want you to be there and want you to be happy on Christmas morning.
他们只是希望你在场，希望你在圣诞节早上快乐。
They really-- they don't want anything.
他们真的——他们什么都不想要。
I could take that $60 and put it in pennies, and they'd be the happiest people in the world.
我可以把那 60 美元换成便士，他们就会成为世界上最幸福的人。
And then they don't care either way.
然后他们就不在乎了。
You can get them anything.
你可以给他们任何东西。
Anything at all.
任何事情都可以。
Gage Ross I can get them a bag of chew toys, and they'd like it.
盖奇·罗斯 我可以给他们买一袋咀嚼玩具，他们会喜欢的。
I dare you.
我赌你。
William Ross It's already done.
威廉·罗斯 已经完成了。
I've done it before.
我以前做过。
Her birthday, I got her a bag full of dog chew toys, yeah, and Milk Bones.
她生日时，我给她买了一袋狗咬玩具，是的，还有牛奶骨头。
And what'd she say?
她说什么？
Gage Ross She was like, is this for the dog or for me?
盖奇·罗斯（Gage Ross）她说，这是给狗的还是给我的？
And I said, it's for you.
我说，这是给你的。
And she was like, OK, thank you.
她说，好吧，谢谢。
I could not reach his mom to get her side of the story.
我无法联系到他妈妈以了解她的说法。
But I think, come on, any parent tearing off the wrapping paper and seeing that gift, like, I just think that they just think, like, huh?
但我想，来吧，任何父母撕下包装纸并看到这份礼物时，就像，我只是认为他们只是想，就像，嗯？
In this season of gift giving, if it is the thought that counts, OK, what exactly are the thoughts behind most presents?
在这个送礼的季节，如果重要的是思想，那么大多数礼物背后的想法到底是什么？
Well, they're complicated.
嗯，它们很复杂。
Sometimes they're really, really complicated.
有时它们真的非常非常复杂。
And today on our radio show, we have stories of people giving gifts, and we have stories especially of people receiving gifts, some of these quite spectacular, and trying to divine the motives of the people who gave them.
今天在我们的广播节目中，我们有人们赠送礼物的故事，特别是人们收到礼物的故事，其中一些非常壮观，并试图推测送礼物的人的动机。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International, a special holiday show.
这是来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行，是一档特别的节日节目。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Replacement Clause.
第一幕，替换条款。
So we begin today's show about giving gifts with the gift givingest person that there is.
因此，我们开始今天的节目，与世界上最会送礼物的人一起送礼物。
Of course, Santa Claus is that person, a man who wants for nothing, that is, until some things change for him.
当然，圣诞老人就是那个人，一个无所求的人，也就是说，直到某些事情对他来说发生改变。
Jonathan Goldstein explains.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦解释道。
Each life was a lonely tumble down a cold, dark chimney, falling, falling, then blackness.
每一个生命都是孤独地从寒冷、黑暗的烟囱里跌落，坠落、坠落，然后是黑暗。
These were Santa's thoughts as he prepared snickerdoodles in the kitchen.
这是圣诞老人在厨房里准备士力架时的想法。
In the other room, the elves performed Christmas tunes and do-si-doed.
在另一个房间里，精灵们演奏着圣诞曲子并做着“do-si-doed”。
Carefully, he carried the tray of sweets into the living room.
他小心翼翼地端着托盘，走进客厅。
His wife, Martha, had been dead five years now, and he was alone, alone in a house full of elves.
他的妻子玛莎已经去世五年了，他孤身一人，独自一人住在一个充满精灵的房子里。
Jesus had dignity, apostles.
使徒们，耶稣有尊严。
All he had was high blood pressure and a communal toilet the size of a cereal bowl.
他所拥有的只是高血压和一个麦片碗大小的公共厕所。
He sat down on the couch and watched the elves dance to "Feliz Navidad." Jingles broke from the group of dancing elves and approached him.
他坐在沙发上，看着精灵们随着“Feliz Navidad”起舞。叮当从一群跳舞的精灵中挣脱出来，向他走来。
"You're killing yourself with the doodles," Jingle said, slamming down his Gin Rickey.
“你在用这些涂鸦自杀，”叮当说，猛地喝下他的杜松子酒。
And lately, he'd been on Santa's case to stop overeating, to get out of the house, and to get himself a girlfriend.
最近，他一直在为圣诞老人辩护，要求他停止暴饮暴食，走出家门，并给自己找个女朋友。
Glenda, the good witch of the north, lived only a few miles away and had just been left by her boyfriend, a walrus hunter who looked somewhat like a walrus himself.
格伦达是北方的善良女巫，住在几英里外，刚刚被她的男友抛弃，男友是一位海象猎人，看上去有点像海象。
"Glenda's into the Wilford Brimley type," said Jingles, "so you've totally got a chance." "Glenda," said Santa, "but she's so sparkly.
“格伦达喜欢威尔福德·布里姆利类型，”金格斯说，“所以你完全有机会。” “格伦达，”圣诞老人说，“但她是如此闪闪发光。
I miss Martha," Santa said quietly.
我想念玛莎。”圣诞老人轻声说道。
He knew this was true, though not the entire truth.
他知道这是真的，尽管不是全部事实。
There was missing, of course, but there was also fear.
当然，有思念，但也有恐惧。
"Look, I miss Martha too," said Jingles.
“听着，我也想念玛莎，”叮当说。
"But it's time to move on."
“但是时候继续前进了。”
"She was the only gal for me," said Santa.
“她是我唯一的女孩，”圣诞老人说。
Jingles put his tiny hand on Santa's knee.
叮当把他的小手放在圣诞老人的膝盖上。
"To be frank," Jingles said, "I always thought your relationship a little narcissistic.
“坦白说，”金格斯说，“我一直认为你们的关系有点自恋。
Mrs. Claus was like your twin but with bosoms.
克劳斯太太就像你的双胞胎，但有胸部。
Did you plan your outfits together?"
你们一起设计服装了吗？”
"We just had the same taste," Santa sobbed.
“我们只是口味相同，”圣诞老人抽泣着。
"Jingle Bell Rock" started up on the squeeze box, and Santa took that as his cue to head to bed.
挤压盒里响起了《Jingle Bell Rock》，圣诞老人以此为暗示去睡觉了。
He never could stand rock and roll Christmas songs.
他永远无法忍受摇滚圣诞歌曲。
He liked Christmas songs, and he liked rock and roll.
他喜欢圣诞歌曲，也喜欢摇滚乐。
He just didn't like them together.
他只是不喜欢他们在一起。
Martha had felt the exact same way.
玛莎也有同样的感觉。
On their first year anniversary, Martha presented him with a pen, the fancy kind that came in a box.
在他们的一周年纪念日上，玛莎送给他一支钢笔，那种装在盒子里的别致的钢笔。
"Oh, for the love of Saint Nicholas," Santa had said, "what good is a pen?
“噢，看在圣尼古拉斯的份上，”圣诞老人说道，“一支笔有什么用呢？
I'll just end up losing it.
我最终会失去它。
Save your money and buy yourself something nice, or let me buy for you.
省点钱给自己买点好东西，或者让我给你买。
That would make me most happy of all."
这将使我最高兴。”
For a man famous for his giving, Santa was terrible at receiving.
对于一个以给予而闻名的人来说，圣诞老人在接受方面却很糟糕。
Martha took the pen back and apologized.
玛莎收回笔并道歉。
And that was the end of the gifts.
礼物就这样结束了。
After she had died and Santa was cleaning out her stuff, in a jewelry box filled with the old love letters he'd sent during their courtship, he found the pen.
她死后，圣诞老人正在清理她的东西，在一个装满了他在求爱期间寄出的旧情书的珠宝盒里，他找到了那支笔。
He clutched it on the edge of the bed and wept.
他把它放在床边哭了起来。
Jingles took it upon himself to just go ahead and arrange a date for Santa unbidden.
叮当独自一人主动为圣诞老人安排了一次约会。
"Glenda's expecting you at eight," said Jingles, sidling up to him in the reindeer stable one morning.
“格伦达八点在等你，”一天早上，叮当在驯鹿厩里侧身靠近他说道。
"And do me a favor.
“帮我一个忙。
Trim your whiskers and put on your spanx." As instructed, Santa appeared at Glenda's doorstep that evening, a paper bag of roasted chestnuts in his hand.
修剪一下胡须，穿上紧身裤。”那天晚上，圣诞老人按照指示出现在格伦达家门口，手里拿着一纸袋烤栗子。
"Come on in, Mr. Claus," said Glenda with a sweep of her arm.
“进来吧，克劳斯先生。”格伦达挥舞着手臂说道。
She was dressed all in white, and the house smelled of fresh gingerbread.
她一身白衣，屋子里弥漫着新鲜姜饼的味道。
Santa observed with a smile that there were several magic wands, gold and sparkly, in the umbrella rack.
圣诞老人微笑着看到伞架上有几根金光闪闪的魔法棒。
For most of the evening they sat by the hearth and made clumsy conversation about the loneliness of living at the North Pole, mostly.
晚上的大部分时间，他们坐在炉边，笨拙地谈论着生活在北极的孤独。
"Unless I absolutely have to, I don't even bother going outside," said Glenda.
“除非绝对必要，否则我什至懒得出去，”格伦达说。
"And when the cable goes out, it is out," said Santa.
“当电缆熄灭时，它就熄灭了，”圣诞老人说。
After a beat of silence, Glenda looked at him, a smile across her face.
一阵沉默后，格伦达看着他，脸上露出微笑。
"Is this a good conversation?" she asked.
“这样的谈话好吗？”她问道。
Santa laughed and assured her it was.
圣诞老人笑着向她保证是的。
They played cribbage, drank eggnog, and watched the snow outside the window fall.
他们玩纸牌，喝蛋酒，看着窗外的雪花飘落。
And in the vestibule, before leaving, Glenda placed her hand on Santa's shoulder and kissed him right beneath his eye.
在前厅，离开之前，格伦达把手放在圣诞老人的肩膀上，在他的眼睛下方亲吻了他。
As she did, Santa felt as though his chest were a chimney, and inside a sleeping dove was stirring awake.
当她这样做时，圣诞老人感觉自己的胸口就像一个烟囱，里面一只沉睡的鸽子正在苏醒。
They made a date for the following weekend.
他们约好了下周末的约会。
And just before he left, Glenda gave him a container of cranberry mini muffins she'd baked.
就在他离开之前，格伦达给了他一盒她烤的蔓越莓迷你松饼。
Santa told her he could not accept such a gift, at which point she thrust it into this chest with surprising force.
圣诞老人告诉她他不能接受这样的礼物，此时她以惊人的力量将它塞进了箱子里。
"Take it," she said.
“拿着吧，”她说。
On the sleigh ride home, Santa realized with mixed feelings that he'd hardly thought of Martha the whole night.
在乘雪橇回家的路上，圣诞老人心情复杂地意识到他整个晚上都几乎没有想到玛莎。
When he showed up the following Saturday, Glenda was all apologies.
当他下周六出现时，格伦达满脸歉意。
"Change of plans," she said, stopping him in the vestibule.
“计划有变。”她说着，在前厅拦住了他。
"Sheila's here, flew in this afternoon from Tampa."
“希拉在这里，今天下午从坦帕飞来的。”
"Sheila?" asked Santa.
“希拉？”圣诞老人问道。
"AKA, the wicked witch of the east," she said quickly, "My old college roommate." "College?" asked Santa.
“又名东方邪恶女巫，”她很快说道，“我的大学老室友。” “大学？”圣诞老人问道。
"For witches?"
“为了女巫？”
"She's always showing up like this," Glenda went on.
“她总是这样出现，”格伦达继续说道。
"Every time there's trouble in Tampa, I get a knock at the door." In the den, Sheila was lying on the couch in a kittenish tangle, all in black and smoking what smelled like European cigarettes.
“每当坦帕遇到麻烦时，我都会有人来敲门。”在书房里，希拉像小猫一样乱七八糟地躺在沙发上，一身黑衣服，抽着一股欧洲香烟的味道。
She studied Santa while playing with her hair.
她一边玩弄头发，一边研究圣诞老人。
"Hey, chubs," she said.
“嘿，小伙子们，”她说。
"I told you to smoke outside," said Glenda with exasperation.
“我告诉过你到外面抽烟。”格伦达恼怒地说。
She went into the kitchen to get some fruitcake as Santa made his way over to the couch.
当圣诞老人走向沙发时，她走进厨房去拿一些水果蛋糕。
Sheila didn't move.
希拉没有动。
So he squeezed into the corner, her black stocking toes touching his thigh.
于是他挤到了角落里，她的黑丝袜脚趾碰到了他的大腿。
"So what do you do, fatso?" Santa began to stammer.
“那你怎么办啊，胖子？”圣诞老人开始结巴起来。
"Oh, I--"
“哦，我——”
"Relax, [BLEEP].
“放松，[哔]。
I know you are.
我知道你是。
You're famous," she said, taking the last cookie from the serving tray.
你很有名。”她说着，从托盘上拿走了最后一块饼干。
"So how do you know Glenda?"
“那你怎么认识格伦达的？”
"Oh, we're neighbors," said Santa.
“哦，我们是邻居，”圣诞老人说。
"And you buy this good witch [BLEEP]?" she asked in a whisper.
“你买了这个好女巫[BLEEP]吗？”她低声问道。
"A downward turn in the black arts, and all of a sudden she's moved to the North Pole and rebranded herself a good witch.
“黑魔法的衰退，突然间她搬到了北极，并把自己重新定位为一个好女巫。
Whoever heard of a good witch, am I right?
谁听说过一个好女巫，我说得对吗？
It's an oxymoron, like baby grand or jolly fat man.
这是一个矛盾的说法，就像小大人或快乐的胖子一样。
Everyone knows fat men are sad.
大家都知道胖子很伤心。
Look at you, totally depressed.
看看你，彻底郁闷了。
Am I right?"
我说得对吗？”
"I mean, maybe a little," Santa said.
“我的意思是，也许有一点，”圣诞老人说。
"My wife recently died." "And what's with this Glenda [BLEEP]?" interrupted Sheila.
“我的妻子最近去世了。” “格伦达[BLEEP]是怎么回事？”希拉打断道。
"Her name's Linda."
“她的名字叫琳达。”
Often, when Santa didn't know what else to say, he'd break into a jolly sounding chuckle.
通常，当圣诞老人不知道还能说什么时，他会突然发出一声听起来很愉快的笑声。
He tried it just then, but the chuckle got caught in his throat and came out sounding sweaty and choked.
就在这时他尝试了一下，但笑声卡在了喉咙里，听起来满头大汗，哽咽着。
Sheila stared at him.
希拉盯着他。
"You have this weird crap in your beard," she said.
“你的胡子里有这种奇怪的东西，”她说。
She reached in to pull it out, and as she did, she brought her face in close enough for Santa to smell her.
她伸手把它拉出来，当她这样做的时候，她把脸凑得足够近，让圣诞老人能闻到她的味道。
Whereas Glenda smelled like baby powder and cinnamon, Sheila smelled of something he couldn't quite put his finger on.
格伦达闻起来像婴儿爽身粉和肉桂的味道，而希拉则闻起来有一种他无法确切形容的味道。
Cigarettes, of course, but something else, too.
当然是香烟，但还有其他东西。
It set the chimney in his chest ablaze, ashy black doves trying to flap out their flaming wings.
它让他胸口的烟囱着火了，灰白的黑色鸽子试图拍打着燃烧的翅膀。
As Sheila rummaged through his beard, the look on her face was all little girl concentration.
当希拉在他的胡须中翻找时，她脸上的表情全是小女孩的专注。
"You have nice bone structure," she said.
“你的骨骼结构很好，”她说。
"You should try wearing black.
“你应该尝试穿黑色衣服。
It would have a slimming effect."
会有减肥的效果。”
Withdrawing a tiny shriveled raisin from Santa's beard, Sheila crinkled up her face and flicked it on the carpet.
希拉从圣诞老人的胡须中取出一小块干瘪的葡萄干，皱起了眉头，把它弹到了地毯上。
"Eww, gross," she said.
“呃，太恶心了，”她说。
Glenda walked back into the room with drinks.
格伦达端着饮料走回房间。
And when Santa reached for one, he realized his hand was shaking.
当圣诞老人伸手去拿一个时，他意识到自己的手在颤抖。
He excused himself to use the bathroom, where he thought he might hum a few carols to calm himself down.
他借口去洗手间，他想在那里可以哼几首颂歌让自己平静下来。
Everything inside the bathroom was glittery and white, white glittery soaps, shampoos, curtains.
浴室里的一切都是闪闪发光的白色，白色闪闪发光的肥皂、洗发水、窗帘。
But there, hanging from the white shower curtain rod, was something black.
但白色浴帘杆上挂着一个黑色的东西。
Strung there for all the world to see were a pair of silky black stockings, Sheila's black stockings.
挂在那里，让全世界都可以看到一双丝滑的黑丝袜，希拉的黑丝袜。
For years, Santa had dealt intimately with stockings, stuffing them with coal or presents, and never thought about it twice.
多年来，圣诞老人一直与长袜打交道，在里面塞满煤炭或礼物，从来没有想过第二次。
But just then, seeing those black stockings of hers, being alone with them, something came over him.
但就在这时，看到她的那双黑丝袜，单独在一起，他突然有一种感觉。
And suddenly, he was on his toes biting the tips like a playful pup, like a fat old playful pup.
突然，他踮起脚尖，像一只顽皮的小狗一样，像一只又胖又顽皮的老小狗一样，咬着脚尖。
Returning to the living room, Santa sat back down on the couch and listened, enraptured, as Sheila encouraged him to revise his policy on naughtiness.
回到客厅，圣诞老人坐回到沙发上，欣喜若狂地听着希拉鼓励他修改对淘气的政策。
Santa nodded his head as though giving her suggestion some thought.
圣诞老人点点头，似乎在考虑她的建议。
In bed that night, Santa replayed each of Sheila's words and gestures.
那天晚上，圣诞老人在床上重述了希拉的每一句话和每一个手势。
Sheila said whatever she felt like, touching and smelling everything like an animal.
希拉想说什么就说什么，像动物一样触摸和闻着一切。
She was not afraid to take, avail herself of the world, drinks, cigarettes, hospitality.
她不害怕接受、利用这个世界、饮料、香烟和热情好客。
Without so much as asking, she'd even plunged her hand into Santa's Shirley Temple, plucking the maraschino cherry right out and using his hat to wipe her hands.
甚至没有询问，她甚至把手伸进了圣诞老人的秀兰·邓波儿（Shirley Temple），直接拔出了樱桃，并用他的帽子擦了擦手。
For Santa, one so in love with giving, he could not help but see before him a kind of black hole, a sexy and sublime black hole into which he could deliver forth his greatest gift.
对于如此热爱奉献的圣诞老人来说，他情不自禁地在自己面前看到了一种黑洞，一个性感而崇高的黑洞，他可以在其中送出他最伟大的礼物。
In Sheila, he saw an insatiable hunger for life.
在希拉身上，他看到了对生活永不满足的渴望。
With such a woman to give to, to give himself to, it would feel as though every day was Christmas.
和这样一个女人一起付出，奉献自己，感觉每一天都是圣诞节。
When they had made plans for the following weekend, Glenda had asked if Santa could bring along a friend for Sheila.
当他们为下一个周末制定计划时，格伦达问圣诞老人是否可以为希拉带来一位朋友。
And so he showed up with Jingles.
于是他带着叮当出现了。
Anything to help a brother out, Jingles had said.
叮当说过，只要能帮助兄弟摆脱困境，一切都可以。
Strolling into Glenda's living room, Jingles did that thing where he jumped onto the couch while crossing his legs in midair.
走进格伦达的客厅，叮当跳到沙发上，在半空中盘腿。
He landed right beside Sheila.
他降落在希拉身边。
"You are just too cute for words," exclaimed Sheila.
“你实在是太可爱了，无法用言语来形容，”希拉惊呼道。
"Try anyway," said Jingles, snipping the tip of his cigar.
“无论如何，请尝试一下。”金格斯说着，剪断了雪茄的尖端。
It was the length of his forearm.
这是他前臂的长度。
"I'd prefer to keep the house smoke free," said Glenda.
“我宁愿让房子里无烟，”格伦达说。
"More like fun free," said Sheila.
“更像是自由自在，”希拉说。
"Say, what do you call people who live around here anyway?
“话说，住在这附近的人你怎么称呼？
North Pollack's?"
北波拉克的？”
"We call ourselves Cold Poles," said Jingles.
“我们称自己为冷极人，”金格斯说。
"Ever put your tongue on a cold pole, honey?
“亲爱的，你有没有把舌头放在冰冷的杆子上？
Tends to get stuck there." Sheila slapped him on the head.
往往会被困在那里。”希拉拍了拍他的头。
"Dork," she said, laughing.
“傻瓜，”她笑着说。
Sheila and Jingles had a million things to talk about.
希拉和叮当有百万件事要谈。
All the while, Glenda and Santa just sort of sat there smiling awkwardly and watching the snowfall.
一直以来，格伦达和圣诞老人只是尴尬地微笑着坐在那里，看着降雪。
"It's an uninhabitable wasteland," Santa heard Sheila say.
“这是一片无法居住的荒地，”圣诞老人听到希拉说道。
"Tampa sounds awesome," said Jingles.
“坦帕听起来棒极了，”金格斯说。
"If only I could convince El Jefe over there to move the operation south."
“如果我能说服那边的杰夫将行动转移到南方就好了。”
Jingles looked over at Santa, and seeing his bro struggling with his date decided to kick things into gear.
叮当看着圣诞老人，看到他的兄弟正在与他的约会对象挣扎，决定开始行动。
"Come on y'all," said the elf, addressing the group.
“大家来吧，”精灵对大家说道。
"Gather around for a little spin o' the bottle."
“聚集在一起旋转一下瓶子。”
"I've got just the one," said Sheila, downing the last of the red wine straight from the bottle.
“我只有一个，”希拉说着，直接从瓶子里喝掉了最后一杯红酒。
"Spin the what?" asked Glenda.
“旋转什么？”格伦达问道。
Sheila rolled her eyes, placed the bottle down on the carpet, and spun.
希拉翻了个白眼，把瓶子放在地毯上，然后旋转起来。
Santa watched the bottle spin with an anxiety that bordered on mania.
圣诞老人带着近乎疯狂的焦虑看着瓶子旋转。
What if the bottle dictated that he was to kiss Sheila?
如果瓶子指示他要亲吻希拉怎么办？
He would almost certainly die.
他几乎肯定会死。
But he did not have to ponder such a kiss for very long, for soon the bottle slowed to a halt, pointing directly at Jingles.
但他并不需要对这个吻思考太久，因为瓶子很快就停了下来，直指叮当。
And when Sheila licked her lips and leaned her face downward, Jingles grabbed her head in his small hands and planted his tiny mouth on hers.
当希拉舔了舔嘴唇，把脸低下时，叮当用他的小手抓住了她的头，把他的小嘴放在了她的嘴上。
Santa felt the chimney fire in his chest snuff out.
圣诞老人感到胸口的烟囱火熄灭了。
He and Glenda watched them kiss.
他和格伦达看着他们接吻。
Then after a while they watched the snowfall.
过了一会儿，他们看到了降雪。
Then they went back to watching them kiss.
然后他们又回去看他们接吻。
Eventually Jingles led Sheila into the vestibule where he said he wanted to show her the secret to getting the tips of his shoes so curly.
最后，金格斯领着希拉走进前厅，他说他想向她展示让鞋尖变得如此卷曲的秘密。
Left alone, and at somewhat of a loss, Glenda got up and fished around in a cabinet drawer beside the couch.
格伦达独自一人，有点不知所措，起身在沙发旁边的柜子抽屉里翻找。
Santa thought she might be looking for a game of some sort.
圣诞老人认为她可能正在寻找某种游戏。
But then she said," "I have something for you."
但随后她说：“我有东西给你。”
She held out a glistening package.
她递出一个闪闪发光的包裹。
"No way, Jose," Santa said.
“不可能，何塞，”圣诞老人说。
"I'm the gift giver around here.
“我是这里的送礼者。
And it's not even Christmas yet."
而且现在还不是圣诞节。”
Santa was about to really kick up a fuss.
圣诞老人真的要大惊小怪了。
But then, as a downright witchy look fell across Glenda' face, he trailed off.
但随后，当格伦达的脸上露出一种彻头彻尾的巫术表情时，他的声音就减弱了。
"It's nothing that big," she insisted, thrusting the present at his chest.
“没什么大不了的，”她坚持说，把礼物塞到他胸口。
"Besides, it was fun trying to find the perfect something for you.
“此外，尝试为你找到完美的东西也很有趣。
And then to actually find it, there's no greater feeling in the world.
然后真正找到它，世界上没有比这更伟大的感觉了。
But look who I'm telling this to."
但看看我是在跟谁说这件事。”
Hearing her words and seeing the look of excitement on her face, Santa had a puzzling thought.
听到她的话，看到她脸上兴奋的表情，圣诞老人心中产生了一种不解的想法。
Perhaps he'd somehow misjudged things.
也许他在某种程度上误判了事情。
Perhaps he'd somehow gotten it wrong.
也许他弄错了。
By refusing the gifts people wished to bestow on him, he'd consistently failed to give the experience of giving.
由于拒绝人们想要送给他的礼物，他一直未能提供给予的经验。
He'd hogged that particular pleasure all to himself.
他把这种特别的快乐完全据为己有。
And so he took the package.
于是他拿走了包裹。
It was flat and square.
它是平坦的、方形的。
Tearing the wrapping paper open, he saw it was a record, Rocking Christmas Party Songs, Volume One.
撕开包装纸，他看到那是一张唱片，《摇滚圣诞派对歌曲，第一卷》。
He absolutely hated it.
他绝对讨厌它。
Not just because the thought of listening to it made him feel like one of those old white haired hippies who had to make everything, from getting their prostate checked to celebrating Christmas, not just a good time but a rocking good time.
不仅仅是因为听到这首歌的想法让他感觉自己像那些白发嬉皮士，必须做一切事情，从检查前列腺到庆祝圣诞节，这不仅是一段美好时光，而且是一段摇滚般的美好时光。
But it was also one of those gifts that said something about the recipient, something that was hard to swallow, like the gift of a back scratcher that says you're alone in this world and must fend for yourself or the gift of a warm house coat that says your days of party dresses are over.
但它也是一种表达了关于收礼者的一些东西的礼物，一些难以接受的东西，比如一件挠背的礼物表明你在这个世界上孤独一人，必须照顾自己，或者一件温暖的家居服礼物表明你穿派对礼服的日子已经结束了。
The gift of a perfectly awful Christmas album being handed to you by a woman who liked you said loud and clear, you must learn to compromise.
一个喜欢你的女人送给你一张非常糟糕的圣诞专辑，大声而明确地说，你必须学会妥协。
For after all his years of giving, Santa knew better than anyone that we don't always receive what we want nor even what we deserve.
经过多年的奉献，圣诞老人比任何人都清楚，我们并不总能得到我们想要的，甚至也不是我们应得的。
We receive what life brings us.
我们接受生活带给我们的东西。
And when it comes to life, we haven't a choice but to open our arms.
当面对生活时，我们别无选择，只能张开双臂。
"I love it," said Santa with a half smile.
“我喜欢它，”圣诞老人半笑着说。
Unpeeling the plastic, they placed the album on the record player.
他们揭开塑料薄膜，将专辑放在电唱机上。
Santa held out his arms, and Glenda entered his embrace.
圣诞老人伸出双臂，格伦达投入了他的怀抱。
And together, they danced about the room as Chuck Berry belted out "Run Rudolph Run." And it was almost enough to drown out the sounds in the vestibule.
他们一起在房间里跳舞，查克·贝里高声唱着“鲁道夫快跑”。而且几乎足以盖过前厅里的声音。
[MUSIC - CHUCK BERRY, "RUN, RUDOLPH, RUN"]
[音乐 - 查克·贝里，“奔跑，鲁道夫，奔跑”]
So do you know what you're getting your parents for Christmas?
那么你知道圣诞节给父母买什么礼物吗？
Not yet.
还没有。
I've never been good at this kind of thing.
我从来不擅长做这种事情。
As I'm getting older, it's like I'm supposed to have some money so I can actually buy them a nice enough gift where it's not just, you know.
随着年龄的增长，我应该有一些钱，这样我就可以给他们买一件足够好的礼物，而不仅仅是，你知道。
Do you remember what you got them last year?
你还记得去年你得到了什么吗？
I believe I got my dad a Sons of Anarchy t-shirt.
我相信我给爸爸买了一件 Sons of Anarchy T 恤。
This is Larry Daniels, 19 years old, goes to community college, doesn't have a job.
我是拉里·丹尼尔斯 (Larry Daniels)，19 岁，就读社区大学，没有工作。
He got his mom Cowboys memorabilia last year.
去年他得到了他妈妈的牛仔队纪念品。
That's like sweatpants?
是不是像运动裤？
Larry Daniels Yes, kind of.
拉里·丹尼尔斯 是的，有点。
They're like sweatpants, only made of a thinner material, I believe.
我相信它们就像运动裤，只是由更薄的材料制成。
And you've seen her in them?
你在其中见过她吗？
Larry Daniels Yes, I have.
拉里·丹尼尔斯 是的，我有。
She loves to lounge.
她喜欢休息。
Did you see him in the Sons of Anarchy t-shirt?
你看到他穿着《Sons of Anarchy》T 恤了吗？
I don't believe I've ever seen him wear it.
我不相信我曾经见过他穿过它。
But he may have worn it-- as I'm getting older, I'm starting to realize my memory's fading as it goes on.
但他可能戴过它——随着我年龄的增长，我开始意识到我的记忆随着时间的推移而逐渐消失。
But they were generally happy with the present that I got them because-- yep.
但他们普遍对我收到的礼物感到满意，因为——是的。
You have no idea what you're going to get them at all.
你根本不知道你会得到什么。
No, I do not.
不，我不。
I feel like I may never find something in time, you know?
我觉得我可能永远无法及时找到一些东西，你知道吗？
I'm just so lost.
我只是很迷失。
I could.
我可以。
Ira Glass But it sounds like-- it's funny talking to you.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：但是听起来——和你说话很有趣。
It sounds like it's never occurred to you just to ask them.
听起来你从来没有想过要问他们。
That's true.
这是真的。
I'm not a question asking person.
我不是一个爱问问题的人。
I'm just usually-- I get nervous.
我只是通常——我会感到紧张。
So you've never asked them, what do you want for Christmas?
所以你从来没有问过他们，你圣诞节想要什么？
No, I don't think I have.
不，我想我没有。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It just feels like if ask them, they'll tell me.
感觉就像如果问他们，他们会告诉我。
And, like, OK, they'll expect to get it, you know?
而且，就像，好吧，他们会期望得到它，你知道吗？
Because a lot of times when you watch, like, TV shows or movies where a kid-- their birthday is coming up.
因为很多时候当你看电视节目或电影时，孩子们的生日即将到来。
And they're like, oh, I want this.
他们就像，哦，我想要这个。
I want this.
我想要这个。
I'm probably going to get it, because I've said I want this.
我可能会得到它，因为我已经说过我想要这个。
But then they don't get it.
但他们不明白。
They're disappointed.
他们很失望。
I'm, like, OK, maybe they'll be the same way.
我想，好吧，也许他们也会这么做。
But I don't know.
但我不知道。
But wait.
但是等等。
But you could get them what they want.
但你可以给他们他们想要的东西。
I could.
我可以。
Yes, I could.
是的，我可以。
Actually, yeah, I probably could.
事实上，是的，我可能可以。
Maybe.
或许。
Yeah, maybe.
是的，也许吧。
Do you think that they would ask you for something that you wouldn't be able to get them?
你认为他们会向你索要一些你无法得到的东西吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
They might, actually.
事实上，他们可能会。
But I've never been in that situation.
但我从来没有遇到过那种情况。
Or I may have been.
或者我可能是。
Maybe once or twice I've been in that situation, and I got them something else, like, say, a mug, like a coffee mug or one of those kind of mugs that you see in a bar almost, only plastic, like a freezable mug, I guess.
也许有一两次我遇到过这种情况，然后我给他们买了一些其他东西，比如一个杯子，比如咖啡杯，或者你在酒吧里几乎看到的那种杯子，只有塑料的，比如一个可冷冻的杯子，我猜。
You mean like a mug for beer?
你是说像啤酒杯那样的东西吗？
Larry Daniels Yes.
拉里·丹尼尔斯 是的。
So wait.
所以等等。
So this is a present you actually got them.
所以这是你实际收到的礼物。
How'd that go?
怎么样？
Larry Daniels She loved it.
拉里·丹尼尔斯 她喜欢它。
I mean, I just thought, this is cool.
我的意思是，我只是想，这很酷。
I'll get her this, you know?
我会给她这个，你知道吗？
That's usually what I do when I see a present.
当我看到礼物时，我通常会这样做。
I'm like, this is cool.
我想，这很酷。
I'll get them this.
我会给他们这个。
That's kind of how I go through things, you know?
这就是我经历事情的方式，你知道吗？
So you're here at the mall.
所以你在商场里。
You're going to wander around until something hits you?
你会四处闲逛直到有什么东西袭击你吗？
Yes.
是的。
It's worked well so far.
到目前为止效果很好。
Usually.
通常。
But hopefully it'll work this time again.
但希望这次能再次发挥作用。
Coming up, over 600 boxes, gifts from decades ago opened one by one.
上来了，六百多个盒子，几十年前的礼物一一打开。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题。
Today's show, "The Thought That Counts." For this holiday season, we have stories of gifts and what people intend when they send them, which can be very, very complicated.
今天的节目“重要的思想”。在这个假期，我们有关于礼物的故事以及人们送礼物时的意图，这可能非常非常复杂。
We have arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经进入了计划的第二幕。
Act Two, Your Junk in a Box.
第二幕，你的盒子里的垃圾。
So people, of course, are opening up packages full of treasures all year round, not just at Christmas.
因此，当然，人们全年都会打开装满珍宝的包裹，而不仅仅是在圣诞节。
And, you know, when it's not members of your family or your friends or anybody who you've ever met who packed the boxes, it can be confusing.
而且，您知道，当不是您的家人、朋友或您见过的任何人收拾箱子时，这可能会令人困惑。
Starlee Kine has this story.
斯塔莉·凯恩有这样一个故事。
When I was in fifth grade, my class buried a time capsule in the grass that jutted against the school parking lot.
当我上五年级时，我们班在学校停车场旁边的草地上埋了一个时间胶囊。
We didn't feel like being generous with our gift giving towards future generations.
我们不想慷慨地向后代赠送礼物。
Why should they get our best toys?
为什么他们应该得到我们最好的玩具？
So we only tossed in the Garbage Pail Kid cards that we had doubles of, or jelly bracelets, a 10-year-old's most disposable possession.
所以我们只扔了双倍的垃圾桶儿童卡，或者果冻手镯，这是 10 岁孩子最一次性的财产。
I can picture the people who will one day stumble upon our capsule.
我可以想象有一天人们会偶然发现我们的太空舱。
They'll turn our junk over in their hands.
他们会把我们的垃圾交到他们手里。
It'll be easy to figure out it was buried by children in a spot where there once was a school.
很容易看出它是被孩子们埋在曾经有一所学校的地方的。
But why we chose this crap, what we could have possibly meant by it, that will be the stumper.
但为什么我们选择这个废话，我们可能用它来表达什么，这将是一个难题。
In a museum in Pittsburgh, there's a group of people who spend their days opening time capsules and trying to piece together the original thinking behind each one.
在匹兹堡的一家博物馆里，一群人整天打开时间胶囊，试图拼凑出每个时间胶囊背后的原始想法。
These time capsules were all left by one person, Andy Warhol.
这些时间胶囊都是安迪·沃霍尔一个人留下的。
There are 621 of them.
其中有621个。
He didn't bury them, and they weren't capsule shaped.
他没有埋葬它们，它们也不是胶囊形状的。
There were just cardboard boxes filled with his stuff.
那里只有装满他东西的纸板箱。
And what makes them so different than the regular archives left behind by famous artists when they die-- because he also has those-- were that these time capsules, and he did call them time capsules, were deemed one big piece of art.
它们与著名艺术家去世时留下的常规档案如此不同——因为他也有那些——是这些时间胶囊，他确实称它们为时间胶囊，被认为是一件大艺术品。
All 621 go together as a set.
所有 621 个都作为一组组合在一起。
The contents have to stay together, too.
内容也必须保持在一起。
Warhol started the project in 1974.
沃霍尔于 1974 年启动了这个项目。
He'd fill boxes up with various objects.
他会在盒子里装满各种物品。
Each one is packed to the brim, and they take longer to open and go through than you may think.
每一个都挤满了人，打开和通过的时间比你想象的要长。
The first capsule was opened in 1991.
第一个胶囊舱于 1991 年开放。
And two decades later, there are still ones that haven't been gotten to yet.
二十年后，仍有一些问题尚未解决。
The day I visit, the museum has three full-time cataloguers whose jobs are just to open and sort through the boxes, five days a week, eight hours a day, Elaina, Erin, and Marie.
我参观的那天，博物馆有三位全职编目员，他们的工作只是打开和分类箱子，每周五天，每天八小时，分别是伊莱娜（Elaina）、艾琳（Erin）和玛丽（Marie）。
All three look like they stepped out of a '40s screwball comedy, pencil skirts, black glasses, soft curls.
这三个人看起来就像是从 40 年代的怪诞喜剧中走出来的，铅笔裙、黑眼镜、柔软的卷发。
When I arrive, they just opened a new capsule.
当我到达时，他们刚刚打开了一个新的胶囊。
There's this long conference room table completely covered with the items they found inside.
这张长长的会议室桌子上堆满了他们在里面发现的物品。
We have some items signed by Nick Rhodes, Duran Duran lead singer?
我们有一些由杜兰·杜兰主唱尼克·罗兹 (Nick Rhodes) 签名的物品吗？
Guitarist?
吉他手？
Somebody in Duran Duran.
杜兰杜兰的某个人。
Letters from Liza Minnelli.
丽莎·明内利的来信。
There's also her wedding invitation.
还有她的结婚请柬。
There's an invitation to President Reagan's inauguration, which is next to an ashtray that has some Keith Haring artwork, I believe, on it.
有一张里根总统就职典礼的邀请函，旁边有一个烟灰缸，我相信上面有一些基思·哈林的艺术品。
There's a Christmas card from John Waters with a dollar bill in it.
有一张约翰·沃特斯寄来的圣诞贺卡，里面有一张一美元的钞票。
There's a note from Bianca Jagger signed with a lipstick kiss.
有一张比安卡·贾格尔写的字条，上面有一个口红吻。
It's so close to what I would imagine Andy Warhol's house being filled with that it feels set up.
它与我想象中的安迪·沃霍尔的房子是如此接近，感觉就像是布置好的一样。
It's as though his friends just walked from room to room drawing on or pressing their lips against anything that was the least bit ordinary.
就好像他的朋友们只是从一个房间走到另一个房间，用嘴唇触碰任何最不普通的东西。
There's also two small drawings by Basquiat just lying there on the table with everything else.
桌子上还有巴斯奎特的两幅小画和其他东西。
One is a portrait he did of Andy while he slept.
其中一幅是他在安迪睡觉时为他画的肖像。
The girls say that this just happened sometimes.
女孩们说这种情况有时会发生。
All of a sudden they'll stumble upon some priceless art that has never been seen or pieces of Warhol's that were believed to have been lost forever.
突然间，他们会偶然发现一些从未见过的无价艺术品，或者被认为已经永远丢失的沃霍尔作品。
And then there are the wild cards.
然后还有外卡。
This is the museum's director, Eric Shiner.
这是博物馆馆长埃里克·希纳。
Did you see this yet?
你看到这个了吗？
Starlee Kine No, what is it?
斯塔莉·凯恩 不，那是什么？
I believe that would be Rob Lowe, naked, wrapped in a huge stuffed animal snake.
我相信那是罗伯·劳，赤身裸体，裹在一条巨大的毛绒动物蛇里。
Is there anything on the back?
后面有东西吗？
Yeah, there's a note.
是的，有一个注释。
Eric Shiner Let's see.
埃里克·希纳 让我们看看。
Oh, it's actually signed Rob Lowe.
哦，实际上是罗布·劳的签名。
"Andy, thanks so much for all the fun.
“安迪，非常感谢你带来的所有乐趣。
Don't forget I would love something from you.
别忘了我会喜欢你的东西。
This is a trade.
这是一个交易。
Thanks again.
再次感谢。
Call me in LA," with Rob Lowe's phone number.
在洛杉矶给我打电话”，并附上 Rob Lowe 的电话号码。
And he's sending this photograph in hopes of getting something from Warhol as a gift in exchange.
他发送这张照片是希望从沃霍尔那里得到一些东西作为交换礼物。
I can't put into words how badly I wanted that Rob Lowe photo.
我无法用言语表达我是多么想要那张 Rob Lowe 的照片。
The degree of willpower it took to not slowly, over the course of the afternoon, slide it more and more off the table until it fell to the ground, where I would then stand on it until I was able to drop something else, something less valuable-- my scarf, the microphone-- so as to then be able to stoop down and transfer the photo from the floor to my bag.
整个下午，我需要多大的意志力才能慢慢地把它从桌子上滑下来，直到它掉到地上，然后我会站在上面，直到我能够放下其他东西，一些不太值钱的东西——我的围巾、麦克风——然后才能弯下腰，把照片从地板上转移到我的包里。
It wasn't because it seemed worth a lot of money.
并不是因为它看起来值很多钱。
I wanted it for, like, my house, to hang on my fridge.
我想把它挂在我的冰箱上，比如我的房子。
I couldn't understand how we weren't calling the number.
我不明白我们怎么没有拨打这个号码。
When you come across a wallet-size photo of a naked Rob Lowe wrapped in a giant toy snake, which you can tell was done in complete sincerity because of the look on his face, a look that no one but me and the other people in this room would ever see, you do as the photo says and call the number.
当你看到一张钱包大小的照片，照片上罗布·洛全身赤裸，裹着一条巨大的玩具蛇，从他脸上的表情，你可以看出这是完全真诚的，除了我和这个房间里的其他人之外，没有人会看到这种表情，你就按照照片上的说明去做，拨打电话。
I had questions that needed answering, such as, did he take the photo himself with a timer, or did he have a friend do it?
我有一些问题需要回答，比如，照片是他自己用定时器拍的，还是他让朋友拍的？
But like everything else, the photo was just put down on the table.
但和其他东西一样，这张照片只是放在桌子上。
And once it was catalogued, back into the box it would go.
一旦被编目，它就会放回盒子里。
Andy Warhol was a major hoarder, known for it.
安迪·沃霍尔（Andy Warhol）是一位大囤积者，并以此闻名。
For every original Keith Haring or Basquiat or Rob Lowe, the girls will find piles and piles of junk mail.
对于每一个原创的基思·哈林（Keith Haring）、巴斯奎特（Basquiat）或罗布·洛（Rob Lowe），女孩们都会发现成堆的垃圾邮件。
There was a box full of Eddie Bauer catalogs.
有一个盒子，里面装满了埃迪·鲍尔的目录。
And they found actual garbage, like finger nail clippings and rotten sandwiches.
他们发现了真正的垃圾，比如指甲屑和腐烂的三明治。
Whose?
谁？
Cataloguer 3 I don't know.
编目3 我不知道。
But they were dirty.
但它们很脏。
They were horrible, yeah.
他们太可怕了，是的。
They were, like, Jockey small briefs.
它们就像赛马小内裤。
They were stained.
它们被染色了。
Starlee Kine All of this makes more sense because of how the boxes started.
Starlee Kine 所有这一切都因为盒子的起源而变得更有意义。
The story goes that in 1974 Warhol was moving his studio from one building in New York to another.
故事是这样的：1974 年，沃霍尔将他的工作室从纽约的一栋大楼搬到了另一栋大楼。
The problem was he was notoriously tight with his money, loved buying stuff, hated paying people.
问题是他的钱是出了名的紧，喜欢买东西，讨厌付钱给别人。
And so he didn't hire a moving company.
所以他没有聘请搬家公司。
Warhol told his assistant don't worry about it.
沃霍尔告诉他的助手不要担心。
He'd just pack everything up himself.
他会自己收拾所有东西。
But the assistant, fearing that he and the other members of the staff would end up having to do it all themselves, came up with an idea.
但助理担心他和其他工作人员最终不得不自己做这一切，于是想出了一个主意。
He suggested to Andy that rather than viewing the boring old cardboard packing boxes as just ways to transport his stuff from one place to the next, he should think of them as time capsules.
他向安迪建议，与其将无聊的旧纸板包装盒视为将物品从一个地方运送到另一个地方的方式，不如将它们视为时间胶囊。
It was exactly the kind of trick you resort to when your kids won't eat their vegetables by making a chore into a game.
当你的孩子不吃蔬菜时，你就会把家务活变成游戏，这正是你所采用的伎俩。
And it worked.
它奏效了。
Big time.
很开心。
Even after the move, Andy kept making the capsules.
即使在搬家之后，安迪仍然继续制作胶囊。
He kept open cardboard boxes on his desk, in his studio, in his house, filling some up right away, taking years to fill others.
他在办公桌上、工作室里、家里都放着打开的纸箱，有些会立即装满，有些则需要数年时间才能装满。
He was hooked.
他被迷住了。
He'd found the perfect outlet for his hoarding impulses.
他为自己的囤积冲动找到了完美的发泄途径。
Instead of having to throw anything away ever again, he could just stick that thing into a box and call it art.
他不必再次扔掉任何东西，而是可以将其放入盒子中并称之为艺术品。
We get a lot of confetti and potpourri because the time capsules happened partly in the '80s, and people were fond of mailing invitations with potpourri or confetti.
我们收到很多五彩纸屑和五彩纸屑，因为时间胶囊部分发生在 80 年代，人们喜欢用五彩纸屑或五彩纸屑邮寄请柬。
Confetti and glitter just line the streets in the '80s.
八十年代的街道上到处都是五彩纸屑和亮片。
Yeah.
是的。
I feel like once a week, one of us opens something with confetti in it, and we're like oh, crap.
我感觉就像每周一次，我们中的一个人打开里面有五彩纸屑的东西，然后我们就像哦，糟糕。
Then you have to go and, like, pick up all the individual pieces of confetti?
然后你必须去捡起所有单独的五彩纸屑？
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊，是啊。
Starlee Kine Every piece of every object is part of the art and has to be officially catalogued.
Starlee Kine 每一件物品都是艺术的一部分，必须进行正式编目。
So glitter gets scooped up and put into a container like a film's party scene being rewound.
因此，亮片被舀起并放入容器中，就像电影中派对场景的倒带一样。
Plastic bags go into other plastic bags.
塑料袋放入其他塑料袋中。
Cassette tapes go unplayed so as not to damage the physical audiotape.
盒式磁带不会播放，以免损坏物理录音带。
A sealed deck of cards from Penn and Teller with the secret to a magic trick concealed inside isn't opened so as to preserve the plastic wrapping.
佩恩和泰勒密封的一副纸牌，里面隐藏着魔术的秘密，因此没有被打开，以保护塑料包装。
The museum's chief archivist, Matt Wrbican, says normally archivists will throw out staples and paper clips.
博物馆的首席档案管理员马特·沃比肯 (Matt Wrbican) 表示，档案管理员通常会扔掉订书钉和回形针。
Not here.
不在这里。
The paper clips get numbered.
回形针已编号。
Starlee Kine Really?
斯塔莉·凯恩 真的吗？
Really.
真的。
Starlee Kine Do you guys ever feel like suckers for doing it, for buying into it?
Starlee Kine 你们有没有因为这样做、相信它而感到自己像个傻瓜？
Matt once-- he recently said that this was Andy's joke on the art world.
马特曾经——他最近说这是安迪在艺术界开的玩笑。
And the three of us were like, that's our job.
我们三个人说，这就是我们的工作。
So this is typical.
所以这是典型的。
We have a few boxes that are like this, that just have vitamin bottles that he was taking at the time, just, like, the empty packaging, 20 or 30 of them in here.
我们有几个像这样的盒子，里面只有他当时服用的维生素瓶，就像空包装一样，这里有 20 或 30 个。
In this room that's so antiseptic, where the procedures are so set and paperclips become museum objects, we're still dealing with a man's stuff.
在这个如此消毒的房间里，程序如此设定，回形针成为博物馆物品，我们仍然在处理男人的东西。
It's very personal.
这是非常个人化的。
The girls know that Andy's dry cleaner's name was Danielle and that she was always sending him bills, which he ignored.
女孩们知道安迪的干洗店叫丹妮尔，而且她总是给他寄账单，但他忽略了。
He did the same with the surgeon who saved his life after he was shot, who they found a note from that read "pay up, you blow hard."
他对中枪后救了他一命的外科医生做了同样的事，他们发现了一张纸条，上面写着“付钱，你要狠狠地打击”。
But they also know that along with unpaid bills, he would send art donations to charities.
但他们也知道，除了未付的账单外，他还会向慈善机构捐赠艺术品。
They know there were letters from fans asking him to sign an enclosed photo, and the photo will never be there, which means he sent it back to them signed.
他们知道有粉丝来信要求他在附上的照片上签名，但那张照片永远不会在那里，这意味着他把签名寄回给他们。
They know what he looked like without his wig on, that he had a comb over.
他们知道他不戴假发时的样子，知道他梳着梳子。
They know that there's a whole box he made devoted to his mom and how that one felt extra personal because some of her clothing was inside, and that can connect you to a person more than anything else.
他们知道他专门为他的妈妈做了一整个盒子，而且这个盒子感觉特别私人，因为里面有她的一些衣服，这比其他任何东西都更能将你和一个人联系起来。
They found Andy's clothing in the capsules too.
他们还在胶囊中发现了安迪的衣服。
They know there are certain things you can't learn about a person just through reading, like the actual size of their waist.
他们知道有些事情你无法仅通过阅读来了解一个人，例如他们腰围的实际尺寸。
None of the girls say they knew much about Warhol before this job.
没有一个女孩说她们在这份工作之前对沃霍尔了解很多。
They're young.
他们很年轻。
One of them says, "um, I knew his name." And so watching them feels like watching three really nice people tenderly unpack a stranger's house.
其中一人说：“嗯，我知道他的名字。”所以看着他们就像看着三个非常好的人温柔地打开一个陌生人的房子一样。
And there's more gift wrap.
还有更多的礼品包装。
Cataloguer 2 It's cute.
编目2 很可爱。
There's a lot of gift wrap.
有很多礼品包装。
Cataloguer 2 Do you want to open that?
目录员 2 您想打开它吗？
Under the gift wrap, the girls discover some photos of Andy taken outside.
在礼品包装下，女孩们发现了安迪在户外拍摄的一些照片。
The pictures are just casual snapshots.
这些照片只是随意的快照。
The girls lean in closer, touching shoulders.
女孩们靠得更近，肩膀碰在一起。
John, oh.
约翰，哦。
From John Gould?
来自约翰·古尔德？
Starlee Kine Who was John Gould in his life?
斯塔莉·凯恩 (Starlee Kine) 约翰·古尔德 (John Gould) 一生中是谁？
He was his boyfriend.
他是他的男朋友。
Cataloguer 3 And-- oh.
编目 3 还有——哦。
I'm swooning.
我快晕了。
Those are actual dreamy sighs you're hearing.
这些是你听到的真正梦幻般的叹息。
It's nice.
很好。
After all the stuff they've gone through, the exciting stuff, the gross stuff, it's still Andy himself that gets the strongest, most affectionate reaction.
在他们经历了所有的事情之后，令人兴奋的事情，恶心的事情，仍然是安迪本人得到了最强烈、最深情的反应。
Why?
为什么？
Do you like-- are you guys attached to John and Andy together?
你们喜欢约翰和安迪在一起吗？
I'm more attached to Andy and Jed, I think, to Jed Johnson.
我想，我更喜欢安迪和杰德，更喜欢杰德·约翰逊。
I don't have a favorite partner, no. I like finding photos of Warhol just hanging out, not at a party, not at an event.
我没有最喜欢的伴侣，没有。我喜欢寻找沃霍尔只是闲逛的照片，而不是在聚会或活动中。
He had this friend Joan Quinn who was out in California.
他有一位朋友琼·奎恩（Joan Quinn），她在加利福尼亚州。
And I'd always just love when she sends stuff.
我总是很喜欢她寄东西。
She sends these great photos of them all just hanging out together.
她发送了这些他们一起出去玩的精彩照片。
He always looks like he's having fun and relaxed in the photos that she sends.
在她发来的照片中，他总是看起来很开心、很放松。
Maybe because it's California and it's laid back.
也许是因为这里是加州，而且很悠闲。
I just like the idea of Andy-- I don't know-- having people around him that care about him.
我只是喜欢安迪的想法——我不知道——他周围有关心他的人。
Whatever Warhol intended when he packed these boxes, I think it would have been hard for him to imagine this, that strangers would open them and go through his stuff and be the last people on earth to get to know him this intimately and end up liking him even more than when they started.
无论沃霍尔在收拾这些盒子时的意图是什么，我认为他都很难想象，陌生人会打开它们并翻阅他的东西，并成为地球上最后一个如此亲密地了解他并最终比开始时更喜欢他的人。
Starlee Kine in New York.
斯塔莉·凯恩在纽约。
[MUSIC - BRAINPOOL, "JUNK"]
[音乐 - 脑池，“垃圾”]
Act Three, Christmas or Bust.
第三幕，圣诞节或半身像。
Now this story of a Christmas present and a teenager at Christmas trying to do right by his parents.
现在这个故事讲述了一份圣诞礼物和一个青少年在圣诞节试图为父母做正确的事。
It's a work of short fiction from Russell Banks.
这是拉塞尔·班克斯的短篇小说作品。
I didn't go to jail for it or anything.
我并没有因此而入狱。
But I think of the time I got caught shoplifting at the lingerie store up at the Champlain Mall in Plattsburgh as the beginning of my life of crime.
但我认为，我在普拉茨堡尚普兰购物中心的内衣店行窃时被抓，那次是我犯罪生涯的开始。
It was supposed to be the first Christmas after my mother and stepfather kicked me out of the house when I was still 14 and crashing at my friend Russell's place with the bikers down on Water Street in Au Sable Forks.
那应该是我 14 岁的时候，我的母亲和继父把我赶出了家门，并和骑自行车的人一起闯入 Au Sable Forks 水街的朋友 Russell 家后的第一个圣诞节。
They were letting me sleep on this ratty couch they had, because I was dealing weed then and kept them supplied on credit.
他们让我睡在他们的破烂沙发上，因为我当时正在卖大麻，并赊账供应。
But mostly when I hung out there, I stayed in Russell's room.
但大多数时候，当我在那里闲逛时，我都呆在拉塞尔的房间里。
The bikers were older than us and were heavier into drugs.
骑自行车的人比我们年长，而且吸毒更严重。
I saw one of those guys once rub a line of coke straight into his eye, which kind of grossed me out.
我曾看到其中一个人把一滴可乐直接擦进眼睛里，这让我感到恶心。
Plus they drank a lot.
而且他们喝了很多酒。
Russell was 16 and worked days part time at The Video Den.
拉塞尔当时 16 岁，在 The Video Den 兼职工作了几天。
At nights we used to ride up to the mall in his Camaro so I could deal a little weed to the other kids.
晚上，我们常常开着他的科迈罗去商场，这样我就可以给其他孩子卖一点大麻。
And we would hang out until the stores closed and hit on the girls.
我们会一直闲逛，直到商店关门，然后去勾搭女孩。
But mostly nothing was happening, so we'd sit around on the benches and watch all these cheesy couples doing their Christmas shopping, which was pretty depressing.
但大多数时候什么也没发生，所以我们坐在长凳上，看着所有这些俗气的夫妇做圣诞购物，这真是令人沮丧。
At Christmas the malls are filled with people who feel rotten because they don't have enough money, so they fight a lot.
圣诞节期间，商场里挤满了因为钱不够而感到沮丧的人，所以他们经常打架。
The carols and blinking lights and the guys in Santa suits are supposed to make you forget your troubles.
颂歌、闪烁的灯光和穿着圣诞老人服装的家伙应该会让你忘记烦恼。
But it's the opposite.
但事实恰恰相反。
At least for me it was, which was one of the reasons I liked to get high before we went there.
至少对我来说是这样，这也是我在去那里之前喜欢吸毒的原因之一。
This one night, about 10 days before Christmas, I didn't have any weed.
这一天晚上，大约是圣诞节前十天，我没有吸任何大麻。
And I was thinking about my mother and stepfather, how it would be the first time they would be alone.
我想着我的母亲和继父，他们第一次单独相处会是怎样的情景。
And I wondered what they'd do on Christmas Eve.
我想知道他们在平安夜会做什么。
What they usually did was get smashed on this eggnog and bourbon mixture my mother said was her mother's secret recipe and watch TV specials.
他们通常做的就是喝我母亲说的蛋酒和波本威士忌的混合物，这是她母亲的秘方，然后看电视特别节目。
Around 11:00 when the news came on, we'd open the presents we got for each other, hug, and say thanks.
大约 11:00 消息传来时，我们打开彼此收到的礼物，拥抱并表示感谢。
And then they'd go into their room and pass out.
然后他们会走进自己的房间然后昏倒。
And I'd smoke a joint in the bathroom and watch MTV with Willy, the cat, until I fell asleep.
我会在浴室里抽一根烟，和猫威利一起看 MTV，直到睡着。
It was OK but not exactly ideal.
还可以，但并不完全理想。
But we had a tree and lights in the windows and all.
但我们有一棵树，窗户里有灯等等。
And last year was cool because I got this excellent suede shearling jacket from my mom.
去年很酷，因为我从妈妈那里得到了这件很棒的麂皮羊毛夹克。
And my stepfather gave me a Timex watch so I could start coming home on time, he said.
他说，我的继父给了我一块 Timex 手表，这样我就可以准时回家。
I got her one of those long silk Indian scarves that she seemed to like a lot.
我给她买了一条印度丝质长围巾，她似乎很喜欢。
And for him I got a pair of lined driving gloves.
我还为他准备了一双有衬里的驾驶手套。
Everybody was happy in spite of the eggnog.
尽管有蛋酒，每个人都很高兴。
But a lot happened since then.
但从那以后发生了很多事情。
For one thing, the main thing, I guess, I got kicked out of the house for stealing and pawning my mother's coin collection that she had inherited from her mother and that she was someday going to pass on to me.
一方面，我想，最重要的是，我因为偷窃和典当了我母亲从她母亲那里继承的钱币收藏而被赶出了家门，而她有一天会把这些钱币传给我。
But it also had to do with my getting a mohawk and my ears pierced and screwing up in school.
但这也与我留着莫霍克发型、打耳洞以及在学校搞砸了有关。
And even though they never caught me at it, they knew I was heavy into weed, which was why I had stolen the coins in the first place.
尽管他们从来没有抓住我，但他们知道我很吸毒，这就是我首先偷硬币的原因。
When I left, it was sort of by mutual agreement, I guess.
当我离开时，我想这是双方同意的。
They would have let me come back if I wanted but only if I could be a different person than I was, which was not only impossible but unfair because I didn't know how to keep myself from getting into trouble anymore.
如果我愿意，他们会让我回来，但前提是我能成为一个与以前不同的人，这不仅不可能，而且不公平，因为我不知道如何让自己不再陷入麻烦。
I must have crossed the line back when I was a little kid, like five or six, after my real father took off and my stepfather moved in and married my mom.
当我还是个小孩子的时候，大概五六岁的时候，我的亲生父亲离开了，我的继父搬进来并与我的妈妈结婚之后，我一定就跨越了界限。
My stepfather was OK.
我的继父还好。
But I know he didn't mind at all when he and mom found out I stole the coins and they got to boot me out of the house.
但我知道当他和妈妈发现我偷了硬币并把我赶出家门时，他根本不介意。
I knew my mother wanted me to come home.
我知道妈妈想让我回家。
But no way I was going back as long as it didn't make the both of them happy to see me.
但只要他们俩不高兴见到我，我就不可能回去。
So I started imagining this scene.
于是我开始想象这个场景。
I get Russell to drop me off at my mom's and stepfather's house, which is really only a mobile home except it's got a foundation under it and a deck in back like a regular house.
我让拉塞尔把我送到我妈妈和继父的房子，那实际上只是一个移动房屋，只不过它下面有一个地基，后面有一个像普通房子一样的甲板。
All my stuff, including my trademark dirt bike, is in Russell's car.
我所有的东西，包括我标志性的越野车，都在拉塞尔的车里。
And we unload and set it on the sidewalk.
我们卸载并将其放在人行道上。
But also, I've got this huge bag of presents for my mom and my stepfather, truly excellent items like a toaster oven and a Crock-Pot and maybe some jewels and a fancy nightgown for mom.
而且，我还为妈妈和继父准备了一大袋礼物，里面有真正出色的物品，例如烤面包机和炖锅，也许还有一些珠宝和送给妈妈的精美睡衣。
And for my stepfather, a Polaroid camera and a portable sander and a Polo ski sweater.
为我的继父准备了一台宝丽来相机、一台便携式打磨机和一件 Polo 滑雪毛衣。
Then Russell takes off and I'm alone.
然后拉塞尔走了，只剩下我一个人了。
The house is dark except for the string of lights around the front door and the electric candles in the windows.
除了前门周围的一串灯和窗户上的电蜡烛外，房子里一片漆黑。
And I could see the Christmas tree lights blinking through the curtain in the living room where I know they're watching The Cosby Show or something.
我可以看到客厅的窗帘里圣诞树的灯光在闪烁，我知道他们正在看《科斯比秀》之类的节目。
It's Christmas Eve.
今天是圣诞夜。
It's snowing a little.
雪有点小。
They're really sad because I'm not with them, and they don't know how to let me come home without acting like what I did to them doesn't matter, stealing the coin collection, smoking grass, getting a mohawk and all, and living with Russell and the bikers, and not going to school anymore, which they probably know about by now, and dealing weed for Hector, the Hispanic guy at the Limbo, which they don't know about.
他们真的很伤心，因为我没有和他们在一起，他们不知道如何让我回家而不表现得像我对他们所做的事无关紧要，偷钱币收藏，吸草，剪莫西干头什么的，和拉塞尔和骑自行车的人住在一起，不再上学，他们现在可能知道这一点，并为地狱边境的西班牙人赫克托交易大麻，他们不知道。
Although, I wonder what they think I've been living on all these months, charity?
不过，我想知道他们认为我这几个月靠什么过活，慈善机构？
Also, they don't know that so far I haven't gotten a tattoo, even though Russell has two very cool tattoos on his arms and is always after me to get one.
而且，他们不知道到目前为止我还没有纹身，尽管拉塞尔的手臂上有两个非常酷的纹身，并且总是追着我纹一个。
Anyhow, in this scene, I go up to the door and knock.
无论如何，在这个场景中，我走到门前敲门。
And when my mom comes out, I say Merry Christmas, mom, just sort of flat and normal like that, and hold out the bag with all the presents wrapped in this incredible shiny paper with bows and everything.
当我妈妈出来的时候，我说圣诞快乐，妈妈，就像那样平淡而正常，然后拿出袋子，里面装着所有的礼物，用这张令人难以置信的闪亮纸包裹着，上面有蝴蝶结和其他东西。
She starts to cry, and my stepfather comes to the door to see what's the matter.
她开始哭泣，我的继父来到门口查看发生了什么事。
I say the same to him.
我对他也这么说。
Merry Christmas, Ron, which is what I call him, Ron.
圣诞快乐，罗恩，我就是这么称呼他的，罗恩。
And I show him the bag of presents, too.
我也给他看了那袋礼物。
My mom opens the door and takes the bag from me and passes it to Ron and gives me a big hug.
我妈妈打开门，从我手中接过包，递给罗恩，给了我一个大大的拥抱。
Ron shakes my hand and says, come on in, son.
罗恩握着我的手说，进来吧，儿子。
We go into the living room, and I distribute the presents to them.
我们走进客厅，我把礼物分发给他们。
And all is forgiven.
一切都被原谅了。
They don't have any presents for me, which embarrasses them, naturally, and they apologize.
他们没有给我任何礼物，这自然让他们感到尴尬，他们道歉了。
But I don't care.
但我不在乎。
All I care is that they really like what I got them.
我只关心他们是否真的喜欢我给他们的东西。
And they do.
他们确实这么做了。
Later, we're drinking eggnog and watching TV.
后来，我们一边喝蛋酒一边看电视。
And Ron looks out the window and sees my bike and all my clothes and things out on the sidewalk with the snow coming down.
罗恩向窗外望去，看到我的自行车和我所有的衣服和东西都在人行道上，雪正在下着。
And he says to me, son, why don't you bring your stuff inside?
他对我说，儿子，你为什么不把你的东西带进去？
When I got busted for shoplifting, it was in this fancy lingerie store called Victoria's Secret.
当我因入店行窃被抓时，是在一家名为“维多利亚的秘密”的高档内衣店。
And I was already out of the store with a green silky nightgown stashed in my jacket pocket.
我已经走出商店，夹克口袋里藏着一件绿色丝质睡衣。
A black security guard, a dude I actually knew and had once sold some grass to, put the arm on me and turned me around and took me into an office in the back where the manager of the store and the head security guy were.
一个黑人保安，我实际上认识的一个家伙，曾经卖过一些草，他用手臂搂着我，把我转过身来，带我走进后面的一间办公室，商店经理和保安主管就在那里。
And after they hassled me for a while, I told them my mom's name and telephone number.
他们骚扰了我一段时间后，我告诉了他们我妈妈的名字和电话号码。
The black guy who busted me had to go back on patrol.
那个殴打我的黑人不得不回去巡逻。
And when he left the office, I looked real hard at him.
当他离开办公室时，我认真地看着他。
But he didn't care.
但他不在乎。
He knew I couldn't pin him for anything without pinning myself worse.
他知道我不能因为任何事情而责备他，否则我自己就会变得更糟。
And then, of course, a half hour later, here they come, my mother and my stepfather, her looking frightened and upset and him just burned, but neither of them talking to me, only to the store manager and the head of security.
然后，当然，半小时后，他们来了，我的母亲和我的继父，她看起来很害怕和不安，而他只是被烧伤，但他们都没有和我说话，只和商店经理和保安负责人说话。
While they talked, they made me sit by myself in a storeroom next to the office where I stared at the no smoking sign and kept wishing I could get high.
当他们说话的时候，他们让我一个人坐在办公室旁边的储藏室里，我盯着禁止吸烟的标志，一直希望自己能兴奋起来。
And a few minutes later, my mother came out wringing her hands with her face all red from crying.
几分钟后，妈妈扭着双手出来，哭得满脸通红。
They want to arrest you, she said.
他们想逮捕你，她说。
And Ron agrees with them.
罗恩也同意他们的观点。
He thinks it would be good for you, she said.
她说，他认为这对你有好处。
But I'm trying to explain that we've all had a lot of troubles on the home front this year, and you're just reacting to that.
但我想解释的是，今年我们在国内都遇到了很多麻烦，而你只是对此做出反应。
I'm trying to get you off, do you understand?
我想把你赶走，你明白吗？
Do you?
你？
I said, yeah, I understand.
我说，是的，我明白。
Then she said, if you'll go in there and say you're sorry and say that you'll come home with us and stay away from the mall, I think they'll forget about the shoplifting.
然后她说，如果你进去道歉并说你会和我们一起回家并远离商场，我想他们就会忘记入店行窃的事情。
And Ron will go along.
罗恩也会跟着一起去。
This could be your last chance, she said.
“这可能是你最后的机会，”她说。
Come on.
快点。
And she took me by the arm and led me back into the office where my stepfather was joking with the store manager who was a bald, middle aged guy, and the head security guy who had a gun strapped to his waist.
她挽着我的胳膊，带我回到办公室，我的继父正在和商店经理开玩笑，他是一个秃头的中年男人，还有腰上别着枪的保安主管。
The three of them were buddies now, and they looked at me and my mom like we were insects.
他们三个现在是好朋友了，他们看着我和我妈妈，就像我们是昆虫一样。
Go ahead, my mom said to me, and she pushed me forward a step.
妈妈对我说，走吧，她推着我向前一步。
Tell them what you told me.
告诉他们你告诉我的话。
I hadn't told her anything.
我什么也没告诉她。
But I knew what she wanted me to say.
但我知道她想让我说什么。
I felt weird, like I was in a movie and could say anything I wanted and it wouldn't make any difference in the real world.
我感觉很奇怪，就像我在电影里一样，可以说任何我想说的话，而这在现实世界中不会有任何不同。
They were all staring at me, waiting.
他们都盯着我，等待着。
So I looked down at my feet and said, My friend was going to lend me $50, but he didn't get paid in time.
于是我低头看着自己的脚说，我的朋友要借给我50美元，但他没有及时还款。
See, there you go, my stepfather said.
瞧，就这样，我继父说。
The kid doesn't know right from wrong.
这孩子不知道是非。
What the hell did you want with a woman's nightgown?
你到底想要女人的睡衣做什么？
he laughed, holding up the gown with his thumb and one finger like it was porno or something, like he thought I was going to wear it myself.
他笑了，用拇指和一根手指举起礼服，好像它是色情片什么的，就像他以为我自己会穿它一样。
No way I was going to answer him.
我没办法回答他。
So I just stood there.
所以我就站在那里。
And after a minute or two with no one saying anything, my mother took my arm and led me back out to the storeroom.
一两分钟后，没人说话，我母亲拉着我的胳膊，带我回到储藏室。
Listen, mister, she said, really upset.
听着，先生，她说，非常沮丧。
I'm going back in there one more time.
我还要再回去一次。
And, remember, I'm the one putting myself on the line for you.
而且，请记住，我是那个为了你而冒着生命危险的人。
If I get them to let you go, you have to promise me that you'll come home with us and that things will be different.
如果我让他们放你走，你必须向我保证你会和我们一起回家，事情会有所不同。
Do I have your word on that?
我对此有保证吗？
Yeah, I said.
是的，我说。
And she left and went into the office.
然后她就离开了，进了办公室。
I could hear them arguing through the wall, my mother's voice high pitched and pleading, my stepfather's voice low and grumbling, and once in a while some comments from the store manager or the security cop.
隔着墙我都能听到他们在争吵，母亲的声音高亢恳求，继父的声音低沉而抱怨，偶尔还有商店经理或保安的评论。
It seemed like hours, but it was probably only a few minutes before my mother came back out all sad smiles now.
似乎过了几个小时，但也许只过了几分钟，我母亲就露出悲伤的笑容了。
And she gave me a big hug and kissed me on the cheeks.
她给了我一个大大的拥抱，并亲吻了我的脸颊。
She held both my hands in hers and looked up at me and said, It's all right.
她握住我的双手，抬头看着我说：“没关系。”
They're going to let you go.
他们会让你走的。
Ron finally came over to my side on this.
罗恩终于在这件事上站在了我这边。
He's going to meet us out front by the Sears entrance with the car.
他将开车在西尔斯入口处与我们会面。
My goodness, she said, smiling.
天哪，她微笑着说道。
You're getting so tall, honey.
亲爱的，你已经长这么高了。
It was true.
这是真的。
I was taller than she was now.
我现在比她高。
When we walked out into the mall, I saw Russell sitting on a bench over by the fountain goofing with a kid I didn't know and a couple of girls from Plattsburgh High who were smoking cigarettes and pretending that the guys weren't there.
当我们走进商场时，我看到拉塞尔坐在喷泉边的长凳上，和一个我不认识的孩子一起闲逛，还有几个来自普拉茨堡高中的女孩，她们在抽烟，假装那些家伙不在那里。
Listen mom, I said.
听妈妈的话，我说。
All my stuff's over at Russell's place.
我所有的东西都在拉塞尔那里了。
I'll go by there with him and bring it over.
我会和他一起去那里把它拿过来。
You and Ron go ahead without me.
你和罗恩继续前进，没有我。
She seemed a little confused.
她似乎有点困惑。
What?
什么？
Why can't we just stop off there with you and get it now?
为什么我们不能和你一起停下来现在就得到它呢？
No, no, I said.
不，不，我说。
The place is locked.
这个地方被锁了。
I got to get it with Russell.
我必须和拉塞尔一起做到这一点。
I don't have a key.
我没有钥匙。
Besides, I owe him $20 for the rent.
另外，我还欠他20美元的房租。
I can't get my stuff until I pay him.
在我付钱给他之前我拿不到我的东西。
Can you give me $20, mom?
妈妈，你能给我 20 美元吗？
I was already thinking about getting high with him and the girls he was talking to and riding around Plattsburgh in his Camaro.
我已经在考虑和他以及他正在聊天的女孩们一起嗨起来，然后开着他的科迈罗在普拉茨堡兜风。
No, she said.
不，她说。
No, of course I can't give you any money.
不，我当然不能给你钱。
I don't understand.
我不明白。
Don't you know what just happened in there?
你不知道里面刚刚发生了什么吗？
Don't you know what I just went through?
你不知道我刚刚经历了什么吗？
Listen, mom.
听着，妈妈。
Just give me the money.
只要给我钱就可以了。
I need the money.
我需要钱。
She looked at me in a strange way, like she didn't recognize me but almost did.
她用一种奇怪的方式看着我，好像她没有认出我，但又几乎认出了我。
Then she reached into her purse and pulled out a $20 and passed it over.
然后她把手伸进钱包，掏出一张20美元递了过去。
Thanks, I said.
谢谢，我说。
And I gave her a kiss on the cheek.
我在她的脸颊上吻了一下。
I'll be back later after I get my stuff from Russell's.
等我从拉塞尔那里拿到东西后我就会回来。
She seemed shocked and put her hand to her mouth and took a few short steps away from me, then turned and disappeared into the crowd of shoppers.
她似乎很震惊，用手捂住嘴，离我几步远，然后转身消失在购物人群中。
And as I crossed over towards Russell and the other kids, I remember saying to myself, now I'm a criminal.
当我走向拉塞尔和其他孩子时，我记得对自己说，现在我是一个罪犯。
Now I'm a real criminal.
现在我是一个真正的罪犯了。
So do you know what you're getting your parents for Christmas?
那么你知道圣诞节给父母买什么礼物吗？
I'm getting my father some new clothes and some cologne.
我要给我父亲买一些新衣服和一些古龙水。
And I'm getting my mother some jewelry, expensive jewelry.
我要给我妈妈买一些珠宝，昂贵的珠宝。
Like, around $200, $500.
大概200美元，500美元左右。
Ira Glass Oh, my god.
艾拉·格拉斯 哦，天哪。
That's so nice.
那太好了。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass This 16-year-old was going to pay for the necklace for her mom with the money that she was earning at the Orange Julius Dairy Queen at the mall, which is where I talked to her at Arundel Mills in Maryland.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 这位 16 岁的女孩打算用她在购物中心的 Orange Julius Dairy Queen 赚到的钱为她妈妈买这条项链，我就是在马里兰州阿伦德尔米尔斯 (Arundel Mills) 与她交谈的。
She started there just three and a half weeks before Christmas.
她在圣诞节前三周半开始在那里工作。
And she said that she'd pretty much be spending nearly everything she earned, about $100 a week after taxes, plus her birthday money, to afford this gift for her mom, who works at a nail salon.
她说，为了给在美甲沙龙工作的妈妈买这份礼物，她几乎会花掉自己赚到的所有钱，大约每周税后 100 美元，再加上生日钱。
Have you ever bought her anything this expensive?
你给她买过这么贵的东西吗？
No. Ira Glass Have you ever bought anyone anything this expensive?
不。 Ira Glass 你给别人买过这么贵的东西吗？
No. This is like my first time I bought something really expensive.
不，这是我第一次买很贵的东西。
I mean, she's like the world to me, you know?
我的意思是，她对我来说就像整个世界，你知道吗？
She's always been there, thick and thin.
她一直都在那里，无论厚重还是薄弱。
She does so much for me.
她为我做了很多事。
But your dad is getting kind of short shrift compared to your mom it seems like.
但与你妈妈相比，你爸爸似乎有点被忽视了。
Yeah.
是的。
It's just my father hasn't been-- like, he's a father.
只是我父亲还没有——就像，他是一个父亲。
But he's just, like, he's just not part of the family like my mother is.
但他只是，就像，他不像我母亲那样是家庭的一部分。
She's, like, always here supporting us and stuff like that.
她总是在这里支持我们之类的。
He's always off somewhere.
他总是不在某个地方。
I think she's going to be more surprised.
我想她会更加惊讶。
So, yeah, my mother, she loves all the presents I give her, even if it's, like, homemade.
所以，是的，我的母亲，她喜欢我送给她的所有礼物，即使是自制的。
She appreciates all the things I give her.
她很感激我给她的一切。
Yeah, of course, she does.
是的，当然，她知道。
Girl Yeah.
女孩 是啊。
There's not a lot of pressure, because she loves anything.
压力不大，因为她什么都喜欢。
[MUSIC - BAD RELIGION, "ANGELS WE HAVE HEARD ON HIGH"]
[音乐 - 坏宗教，“我们在高处听到的天使”]
Well, our program was produced today by our senior producers, Julie Snyder and Ben Calhoun, with Alex Blumberg, Sarah Koenig, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, Brian Reed, Robyn Semien, and Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由我们的高级制作人 Julie Snyder 和 Ben Calhoun 以及 Alex Blumberg、Sarah Koenig、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar、Brian Reed、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 制作。
Jonathan Goldstein, who you heard in the first act, is the host of the radio show Wiretap , which is heard on the CBC in Canada and on many public radio stations in this country.
您在第一幕中听到的乔纳森·戈德斯坦 (Jonathan Goldstein) 是广播节目《Wiretap》的主持人，该节目在加拿大 CBC 和该国的许多公共广播电台都能听到。
It is also a free and great podcast.
这也是一个免费且很棒的播客。
Russell Banks, whose story was Act Three, is the author of several books.
拉塞尔·班克斯的故事是第三幕，他是多本书的作者。
His most recent is a short story collection, A Permanent Member of The Family.
他的最新作品是短篇小说集《家庭的永久成员》。
Production help today from Dana Chivvis.
今天由 Dana Chivvis 提供制作帮助。
Seth Lind is our operations director.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的运营总监。
Emily Condon is our production manager.
艾米丽·康登 (Emily Condon) 是我们的生产经理。
Elise Bergerson's our administrative assistant.
埃莉斯·伯格森是我们的行政助理。
Adrianne Mathiowetz runs our website.
阿德琳娜·马修韦茨 (Adrianne Mathiowetz) 负责运营我们的网站。
Research help today from Michelle Harrison.
米歇尔·哈里森今天提供研究帮助。
Music help from Damien Graef, from Rob Geddis.
Damien Graef 和 Rob Geddis 提供音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
[致谢] 我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
Thanks, as always, to our show's co-founder Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们节目的联合创始人托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia)。
Over Thanksgiving-- maybe you heard this-- he was arrested in Las Vegas.
感恩节期间——也许你听说过——他在拉斯维加斯被捕。
It was some incident in a casino.
这是在赌场发生的一些事件。
I finally got him to explain.
我终于让他解释了。
I had these two pieces of wood.
我有这两块木头。
I chopped them up into little squares.
我把它们切成小方块。
They weren't really good squares.
它们并不是真正的好方块。
And then I painted little dots on them and made them into dice.
然后我在它们上面涂上小点，把它们做成骰子。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
[MUSIC - BAD RELIGION, "ANGELS WE HAVE HEARD ON HIGH"]
[音乐 - 坏宗教，“我们在高处听到的天使”]
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。