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挽救您的生命 注意：《美国生活》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
If you are able, we strongly encourage you to listen to the audio, which includes emotion and emphasis that's not on the page.
如果可以的话，我们强烈建议您收听音频，其中包括页面上没有的情感和重点。
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文字记录是使用语音识别软件和人工转录员结合生成的，可能包含错误。
Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print.
请在印刷版引用前检查相应的音频。
Prologue Ira Glass When the phone calls started, Meron Estefanos was leading a quiet, busy life.
序言 Ira Glass 当电话打通时，Meron Estefanos 正在过着平静而忙碌的生活。
She was a single mom with two young boys, going to school, holding down a couple jobs, including working as a freelance radio reporter.
她是一位带着两个男孩的单亲妈妈，一边上学，一边做着几份工作，其中包括一名自由电台记者。
She'd been born in Eritrea in East Africa, moved to Sweden as a teenager.
她出生在东非的厄立特里亚，十几岁时搬到瑞典。
She was living in a suburb of Stockholm.
她住在斯德哥尔摩郊区。
She was also a human rights activist, focusing on Eritrea.
她也是一名人权活动家，关注厄立特里亚问题。
That's what her radio stories were about, too.
这也是她的广播故事的内容。
And so she was used to people phoning her with tips and leads now and then.
因此，她习惯了人们时不时地打电话给她提供提示和线索。
But at the end of February 2011 came this phone call--
但2011年2月底，接到了这样一个电话——
This guy from UK called me and told me that his brother was kidnapped and that he was being asked $20,000 for the release of his brother.
这个来自英国的家伙打电话给我，告诉我他的兄弟被绑架了，并要求他支付 20,000 美元才能释放他的兄弟。
The man said his brother was with other people who had been kidnapped, all of them Eritrean, and that they were in the desert, far from Eritrea.
该男子说，他的兄弟和其他被绑架的人在一起，他们都是厄立特里亚人，而且他们在远离厄立特里亚的沙漠中。
They were on the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt, close to the border with Israel.
他们在埃及的西奈半岛，靠近以色列边境。
He said they were being tortured and held for ransom-- $20,000 each, which seemed absurdly high to Meron.
他说他们遭到酷刑，并被勒索赎金——每人 20,000 美元，这对梅隆来说似乎高得离谱。
Eritrea's a country where the average person makes less than $1,000 a year.
厄立特里亚是一个人均年收入不到 1,000 美元的国家。
I had a hard time believing that, actually, what he was telling me was true.
事实上，我很难相信他告诉我的是真的。
And he understood that people were hard time believing.
他明白人们很难相信。
So he said, well, if you don't believe me, here.
所以他说，好吧，如果你不相信我，就在这里。
So he gave me two phone numbers.
于是他给了我两个电话号码。
He said you can talk to the hostages yourself.
他说你可以自己和人质谈谈。
Meron wanted it to be a lie.
梅隆希望这只是一个谎言。
And she couldn't bring herself to try the numbers.
她无法让自己去尝试这些数字。
But then that night, she couldn't sleep thinking about it.
但那天晚上，她想着这事就睡不着。
So--
所以——
Hello.
你好。
Meron Estefanos Hello, salaam.
梅龙·埃斯特法诺斯 你好，萨拉姆。
Meron Estefanos.
梅龙·埃斯特法诺斯。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA]
[提格里尼亚语]
Meron called the numbers.
梅龙拨通了号码。
And remember, she was a radio reporter.
请记住，她是一名广播记者。
She did reporting for two radio stations that broadcast by shortwave and satellite into Eritrea and over the internet to Eritrean emigres around the world.
她为两个广播电台进行报道，这两个广播电台通过短波和卫星向厄立特里亚广播，并通过互联网向世界各地的厄立特里亚移民广播。
So she recorded these phone calls, hoping she could do a story.
所以她录下了这些电话，希望能写一个故事。
This is one of the first calls she made.
这是她打的第一个电话。
And yes, someone did pick up, and yes, he said he was being held hostage.
是的，确实有人接电话，是的，他说他被扣为人质。
He told her his name was Biniam, he was 22 years old, that he'd fled Eritrea in 2010, had been living in a refugee camp in Sudan, working at a farm, when he was kidnapped and taken to Sinai.
他告诉她，他的名字叫比尼亚姆，今年 22 岁，2010 年逃离厄立特里亚，一直住在苏丹的难民营，在农场工作，然后被绑架并带到西奈半岛。
He said he was there with other people in a group of 28.
他说他和其他 28 人一起在那里。
There had been 29, he said, but one had died.
他说，已有 29 人死亡，但其中一人死亡。
They were being held by some Bedouins, Biniam said.
比尼亚姆说，他们被一些贝都因人关押。
Meron came to learn that the hostages were allowed access to cell phones so they could beg their families to send money.
梅龙得知人质可以使用手机，这样他们就可以乞求家人寄钱。
We have interpreters translating what Biniam and Meron said to each other.
我们有口译员翻译比尼亚姆和梅隆彼此所说的话。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator The place we are held at is an underground facility.
我们被关押的地方是一个地下设施。
They have us chained.
他们把我们拴起来。
And they have taken three people to the outside.
而且他们还带着三个人到了外面。
We hear cries from the outside.
我们听到外面传来哭声。
We don't know whether they are being tortured or whether they are dead.
我们不知道他们是否正在遭受酷刑，或者是否已经死亡。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Tell me more.
译者请告诉我更多。
What are they saying to you?
他们对你说什么？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator The people who are holding us are saying that unless we make good on our investment, there will not be a solution.
持有我们的人说，除非我们兑现我们的投资，否则就没有解决方案。
They tell us they will drink our blood.
他们告诉我们他们会喝我们的血。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Ira Glass Meron had heard stories of Eritreans being kidnapped and held hostage in the Sinai before this call.
在这次通话之前，艾拉·格拉斯·梅龙听说过厄立特里亚人在西奈半岛被绑架并扣为人质的故事。
People had been fleeing Eritrea for years.
人们多年来一直在逃离厄立特里亚。
Its government is one of the most repressive in the world.
它的政府是世界上最专制的政府之一。
And sometimes, people got kidnapped, either on their way out on the road or from refugee camps right across the border.
有时，人们会被绑架，要么是在路上，要么是从边境对面的难民营被绑架。
But it was still this shadowy thing that human rights groups were just starting to report on at that point in 2011.
但人权组织在 2011 年那个时候才刚刚开始报告这一神秘事件。
It wasn't clear how many people it was happening to.
目前尚不清楚有多少人发生了这种情况。
And the ransom surprised her, like I said-- the size of it, $20,000.
正如我所说，赎金让她大吃一惊——金额高达 20,000 美元。
Meron had never heard of a ransom that high.
梅隆从未听说过这么高的赎金。
It didn't seem like it could be real.
看起来这不可能是真的。
And come on, we'll drink your blood?
来吧，我们要喝你的血？
Really?
真的吗？
It could even be some kind of hoax, a scam where they trump up how desperate they were, to get money sent.
这甚至可能是某种骗局，他们谎称自己有多绝望，以获取汇款。
I kept telling myself, OK.
我不断告诉自己，好吧。
Maybe they are lying.
也许他们在撒谎。
It's just too hard to believe that this many people can get kidnapped and tortured and a lot of money.
很难相信这么多人会被绑架、遭受酷刑，而且会得到很多钱。
It's just hard.
这只是很难。
But at the same time, I kept saying to myself, what if it's true and I did not believe them?
但与此同时，我不断地对自己说，如果这是真的而我不相信他们怎么办？
Then I'll regret this the rest of my life.
那我会后悔一辈子。
So Meron calls back.
于是梅隆回电。
And thanks to caller ID, they call her back.
多亏了来电显示，他们给她回了电话。
And then, reluctantly, she gets pulled in deeper and deeper into this situation where it is not clear exactly what is true and what isn't, and there are people who are saying their lives are in imminent danger, and it's happening thousands of miles away.
然后，她不情愿地陷入了越来越深的境地，不清楚什么是真的，什么是假的，有人说他们的生命面临迫在眉睫的危险，而这种情况就发生在千里之外。
But it is also happening right there in her own home, over the telephone.
但这也发生在她自己的家里，通过电话。
Imagine for a second if hostages started phoning you at your house, while you're at the dinner table, while you're sleeping.
想象一下，如果人质开始在你家打电话给你，当你坐在餐桌旁，当你睡觉时。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这是《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass as you'll hear, Meron ends up making lots of recordings over the phone and gets more and more involved with these people who are claiming to be hostages.
正如你所听到的，我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），梅隆最终通过电话录制了大量录音，并越来越多地与这些自称是人质的人打交道。
And reporter Yowei Shaw; one of our producers, Brian Reed; and an Eritrean journalist, Bealfan Haile went through those recordings.
记者Yowei Shaw；我们的制作人之一布莱恩·里德 (Brian Reed)；厄立特里亚记者 Bealfan Haile 查阅了这些录音。
According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, there are now more migrants and displaced people in the world than ever-- over 65 million.
据联合国难民事务高级专员称，现在世界上的移民和流离失所者比以往任何时候都多——超过 6500 万。
This is a story about the severe danger some of them face.
这是一个关于他们中的一些人面临严重危险的故事。
A warning to listeners-- this is a story of hostages and people having their lives threatened.
对听众的警告——这是一个人质和人们的生命受到威胁的故事。
There is some content that is violent and probably not right for children to listen to.
有些内容很暴力，可能不适合儿童收听。
Here's reporter Yowei Shaw.
以下是记者 Yowei Shaw 报道。
Meron had a lot of questions for these people on the phone.
梅隆在电话里向这些人提出了很多问题。
She started with Biniam, the guy you just heard.
她从比尼亚姆开始，就是你刚才听到的那个人。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator So tell me, explain to me, from morning till night, what does your day look like?
那么告诉我，向我解释一下，从早到晚，你的一天是什么样的？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I cannot even begin to describe the situation in here.
翻译：我什至无法开始描述这里的情况。
They come here every hour, and they torture us.
他们每小时都来这里，折磨我们。
They get us up in the morning.
他们早上叫我们起床。
We do not get breakfast, but they get breakfast.
我们不吃早餐，但他们吃早餐。
And they torture us.
他们折磨我们。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator And towards the evening, after they torture us for so many hours, they give us one bread and they give us very small amounts of water.
到了晚上，在他们折磨了我们几个小时之后，他们给了我们一个面包，并给了我们很少的水。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator We've been tortured so much that we have wounds all over our backs, and we have lost our appetites as a result of that.
翻译：我们被折磨得满背都是伤，食欲不振。
We spend our days yearning for death.
我们整天都在向往死亡。
Meron listened, took notes, finished with Biniam.
梅隆听着，记着笔记，最后和比尼亚姆一起结束了。
And then he passed her on to the next hostage, and then the next-- a 21-year-old named Dejen who told her that he and about five of the others were almost completely naked.
然后他把她交给了下一个人质，然后是下一个——一个名叫 Dejen 的 21 岁人质，他告诉她，他和其他大约 5 个人几乎完全赤身裸体。
For 28 days, he'd been wearing just his underwear.
28天以来，他一直只穿着内衣。
Do they beat you up?
他们打你吗？
Dejen [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Dejen [讲提格里尼亚语]。
We could have actually gotten used to the beating, but they're introducing us to new methods of torture that were unknown to us.
我们本来可以习惯这种殴打，但他们向我们介绍了我们不知道的新酷刑方法。
They come here every hour after having tea and food, and they start electrocuting us on our heads as one person steps on our legs.
他们喝完茶、吃完饭后每小时都会来这里，当有人踩到我们的腿时，他们就开始电击我们的头部。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator To them, our lives are much less valuable than a goat or any animal.
对他们来说，我们的生命远不如山羊或任何动物有价值。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator OK, Dejen.
译者好，德詹。
I'll contact you and keep checking on you again.
我会联系您并再次查看您的情况。
I will broadcast all this information and the numbers that you've given me.
我将广播所有这些信息和你给我的号码。
Just stay strong, that's all I can say, and continue to encourage each other.
我只能说，保持坚强，并继续互相鼓励。
I will call you again.
我会再打电话给你。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Is there anyone else who wants to talk to me?
翻译 还有人想和我说话吗？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Meron Estefanos [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Meron Estefanos [讲提格里尼亚语]。
Yeah, there's one guy here.
是的，这里有一个人。
Translator OK, so please pass the phone.
翻译好的，请接电话。
Hello.
你好。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw Meron talked to the fourth hostage, the fifth, the six.
尤维·肖·梅龙与第四名、第五名、第六名人质交谈。
They were shackled together in groups of five to 10 people.
他们五到十人一组，被铐在一起。
The traffickers would electrocute them, melt plastic bags, and drip the hot liquid on their backs.
人贩子会电击他们，融化塑料袋，然后将热液体滴在他们的背上。
They said, we own you.
他们说，我们拥有你。
You need to bring $20,000.
你需要带20,000美元。
If not, another option we have is we can simply open you up and harvest your kidneys and hearts.
如果没有，我们的另一个选择就是简单地打开你的身体并摘取你的肾脏和心脏。
By the time Meron was talking to the eighth hostage, Yohannes, you can hear in the recording that she's at a loss for what to say.
当梅龙与第八名人质约翰内斯交谈时，你可以从录音中听到她不知道该说什么。
She just keeps repeating, stay strong.
她只是不断重复，保持坚强。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Stay strong, and if there's anything new, I will call you and let you know.
保持坚强，如果有任何新情况，我会打电话给你并让你知道。
But right now, all I can say is stay strong and continue to encourage each other.
但现在，我只能说，保持坚强，继续互相鼓励。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I'm sorry.
翻译我很抱歉。
Are we done for now?
我们现在完成了吗？
Meron had been talking to the hostages for nearly an hour, and she couldn't absorb any more.
梅龙已经和人质谈了近一个小时了，她无法再听下去了。
But another hostage got on, Semereab.
但另一名人质塞米拉布上了车。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator You're our only hope.
翻译 你是我们唯一的希望。
We spend our days wondering whether death will come today or tomorrow.
我们整天都想知道死亡是今天还是明天来临。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator The next hour or the next minute.
翻译 下一小时或下一分钟。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator OK, stay strong.
翻译好的，保持坚强。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I don't even know what else I can do or what else I can say.
翻译 我什至不知道我还能做什么或还能说些什么。
There is nothing else I can say.
我无话可说。
There's not much I can do as an individual.
作为个人我能做的并不多。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Meron Estefanos [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Meron Estefanos [讲提格里尼亚语]。
OK, are we done for now?
好的，我们现在完成了吗？
Or is there anyone else?
或者还有其他人吗？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Yeah, there are others.
译者：是的，还有其他的。
But Meron had heard all she could take.
但梅隆已经听到了她所能承受的一切。
She cut the call short.
她挂断了电话。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Can we stop here for now?
翻译 我们可以暂时停在这里吗？
And maybe next time when I call, I can talk to the others?
也许下次我打电话时，我可以和其他人谈谈？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Semereab [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Semereab [提格里尼亚语]。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Say bye to them for me, and tell them to stay strong.
翻译 替我向他们说再见，并告诉他们要坚强。
Please don't disappear on us, and call us every now and then.
请不要消失在我们身边，时常给我们打电话。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw Meron hung up and sat at her desk, staring at a computer screen.
Yowei Shaw Meron 挂断电话，坐在办公桌前，盯着电脑屏幕。
What can you feel?
你能感觉到什么？
It's just shock.
这只是震惊。
It was hard to accept what I was hearing, the stories they were telling me, the things they were going through.
我很难接受我所听到的、他们告诉我的故事、他们正在经历的事情。
I was just-- from a normal life, it's like going to another world that you never thought existed.
我只是——从正常的生活开始，就像进入了另一个你从未想过存在的世界。
She still wasn't entirely certain whether this call was legit, or if it was, how much of what she was being told was real.
她仍然不能完全确定这个电话是否合法，或者如果合法，她被告知的内容有多少是真实的。
But she knew it might be real.
但她知道这可能是真的。
She knew it was true that Eritreans were being held in Sinai.
她知道厄立特里亚人确实被关押在西奈半岛。
And if these 28 people were there, maybe she could help them.
如果这28个人都在的话，也许她可以帮助他们。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw Meron began broadcasting her interviews on Tigrinya-language radio stations.
Yowei Shaw Meron 开始在提格里尼亚语广播电台播出她的采访。
These were not carefully-crafted feature stories.
这些故事并不是精心制作的。
She felt she didn't have time for that.
她觉得自己没有时间做这些。
They were basically raw, unedited recordings of her phone calls, with hostages describing the torture and begging for help on the air.
这些基本上是她未经编辑的原始电话录音，人质在广播中描述了酷刑并乞求帮助。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Man [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
男人[说提格里尼亚语]。
Meron also reached out to other reporters to try and get them to cover the story.
梅龙还联系了其他记者，试图让他们报道这个故事。
Oh, it's a very touching story, but it wouldn't sell.
哦，这是一个非常感人的故事，但是卖不出去。
That's the kind of reply I would get when I called to some journalists that I knew.
当我打电话给一些我认识的记者时，我会得到这样的答复。
Sorry, we can't help you.
抱歉，我们帮不了你。
Oh, it's not connected to Sweden.
哦，它与瑞典没有联系。
Sorry.
对不起。
So this is the kind of reply that I was getting.
这就是我得到的答复。
Meron did manage to get a BBC reporter interested in the hostages' story, but he asked for proof.
梅龙确实设法让一名 BBC 记者对人质的故事感兴趣，但他要求提供证据。
How could he verify that people were being held and tortured in Sinai?
他如何证实有人在西奈半岛被关押和遭受酷刑？
She put him in touch with a group of doctors, Physicians for Human Rights Israel, who'd been helping and interviewing Eritreans coming out of Sinai.
她让他联系了一群医生，即以色列人权医生组织，他们一直在帮助和采访来自西奈半岛的厄立特里亚人。
They'd photographed people's injuries from beatings, shackles, and burns.
他们拍摄了人们因殴打、镣铐和烧伤而受伤的情况。
In the end, though, BBC story didn't seem to get any attention.
但最终，BBC 的故事似乎没有引起任何关注。
Meron went on a phone and email blitz, trying to publicize the issue but also hoping that something could be done for these 28 people.
Meron 进行了电话和电子邮件闪电战，试图宣传这个问题，但也希望能为这 28 个人做点什么。
She contacted governments, NGOs, the United Nations Refugee Agency.
她联系了各国政府、非政府组织、联合国难民署。
There was a lot of disappointment at the time-- disappointment of all institutions and disappointed at journalists because I thought that within weeks, I would be able to solve it.
当时有很多失望——对所有机构的失望，对记者的失望，因为我认为几周之内我就能解决这个问题。
Some organizations were taking small steps, like pressuring Egypt to take action.
一些组织正在采取一些小步骤，例如迫使埃及采取行动。
Early 2011 was incredibly bad timing for anyone trying to fix a problem in Sinai.
2011 年初对于任何试图解决西奈半岛问题的人来说都是极其糟糕的时机。
The Arab Spring was going strong.
阿拉伯之春势头强劲。
Egypt was going through a revolution.
埃及正在经历一场革命。
Meron first got in touch with the hostages the same month that Egypt's president, Hosni Mubarak, was forced to step down.
梅龙首次与人质取得联系是在埃及总统胡斯尼·穆巴拉克被迫下台的同一个月。
There was no government.
没有政府。
That was a problem.
这是一个问题。
They didn't have government, so that was also one of the biggest problems that we had because we didn't know who to talk to because there was no government.
他们没有政府，所以这也是我们遇到的最大问题之一，因为没有政府，我们不知道该与谁交谈。
Hello.
你好。
Meron Estefanos Hello, hello.
梅龙·埃斯特法诺斯 你好，你好。
Biniam?
比尼亚姆？
The hostages continued to call Meron, and the one she talked to the most was Biniam, the first guy in that phone call she recorded.
人质继续给梅隆打电话，而与她交谈最多的人是比尼亚姆，他是她录制的电话中的第一个人。
He became kind of a spokesman for the group, and they developed a good rapport.
他成为了该团体的发言人，他们之间建立了良好的关系。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Meron Estefanos [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Meron Estefanos [讲提格里尼亚语]。
Very soon, Meron was talking to Biniam nearly every day, often multiple times a day.
很快，梅隆几乎每天都与比尼亚姆交谈，通常一天多次。
She wanted to move on from the story, but the calls wouldn't stop.
她想从这个故事中走出来，但电话却没有停止。
They saved my number, so it was really hard to even avoid it, even if I wanted to.
他们保存了我的电话号码，所以即使我想避免也很难避免。
I really wanted to avoid it.
我真的很想避免它。
I could not just ignore those phone calls.
我不能忽视那些电话。
The way it worked is the hostages would call and hang up before she answered so she could see their number and call back, since they didn't have enough phone credit.
它的工作方式是，人质会在她接听之前打电话并挂断，这样她就可以看到他们的号码并回电，因为他们没有足够的电话信用。
And in these conversations, Meron was always trying to figure out what was real in what the hostages were telling her.
在这些谈话中，梅隆总是试图弄清楚人质告诉她的事情的真实情况。
She knew that some amount of torture and killing needed to be happening to convince hostages' families to pay the insanely high ransoms.
她知道需要进行一定程度的酷刑和杀戮才能说服人质的家人支付高得离谱的赎金。
But the traffickers couldn't kill too many people.
但人贩子也杀不了太多人。
It would cut into profits.
这会削减利润。
So she figured they forced the hostages to exaggerate or lie sometimes.
所以她认为他们有时强迫人质夸大事实或撒谎。
Still, she felt she could tell real panic when she heard it.
尽管如此，她还是觉得听到这个消息时她能感觉到真正的恐慌。
Hello, hello?
喂，喂？
Meron, Meron.
梅隆，梅隆。
Meron Estefanos [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Meron Estefanos [讲提格里尼亚语]。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Meron, Meron, two people have died just now.
翻译者梅隆，梅隆，刚才已经死了两个人了。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Oh, my God.
译者哦，天哪。
Who has died now?
现在谁死了？
Who did they-- what did they do?
他们是谁——他们做了什么？
Tell me what happened.
告诉我发生了什么事。
On March 6, eight days after she first started recording the hostages, Meron called them to check in, and a guy named Medhane picked up.
3 月 6 日，也就是她第一次开始记录人质的八天后，Meron 打电话给他们报到，一个名叫 Medhane 的人接了电话。
A warning-- this call has explicit violence.
警告——这个电话带有明显的暴力成分。
Even me, my legs are crushed right now.
即使是我，现在我的腿也被压断了。
I'm gathering all my strength to speak to you, Meron, my sister.
我正在积蓄全部力量来和你说话，梅隆，我的妹妹。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator We have two hours left.
我们还有两个小时。
Please help us.
请帮助我们。
Just tell me, what is it that has happened?
告诉我，到底发生了什么？
Tell me.
告诉我。
What happened?
发生了什么？
They came in to beat us as usual.
他们像往常一样进来打败我们。
And they told everyone to raise their legs.
他们告诉每个人都抬起腿。
When those two couldn't do it anymore and lowered their legs, they killed them.
那两人实在不行了，放下腿，就把他们杀了。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Please, please do something.
翻译 拜托，请做点什么。
I am losing so much blood that I don't think I will make it through the night.
我失血过多，我想我撑不过今晚了。
The hostage pleaded with Meron to send money as soon as possible, and then Meron heard a noise in the background.
人质恳求梅隆尽快寄钱，然后梅隆听到背景中有声音。
[CRACKING SOUND] Medhane [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[爆裂声] Medhane [说 TIGRINYA]。
[CRACKING SOUND] Yowei Shaw He said the traffickers were beating them right then and there.
[破裂声] Yowei Shaw 他说人贩子当时就在殴打他们。
The others are being tortured as we speak.
在我们说话的时候，其他人正在遭受酷刑。
Please, it's an emergency.
拜托，情况紧急。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw Meron is saying, oh, you poor guys, you poor guys.
Yowei Shaw Meron 说，哦，你们这些可怜的家伙，你们这些可怜的家伙。
And there was one hostage in particular, Meron told them, she had to speak to-- the only woman in the group, an 18-year-old named Semhar.
梅隆告诉他们，特别是其中一名人质，她必须与这群人中唯一的女性、一位名叫塞姆哈尔 (Semhar) 的 18 岁女孩交谈。
Hello?
你好？
Hello?
你好？
Meron Estefanos Hello, Semhar.
梅隆·埃斯特法诺斯 你好，塞姆哈尔。
Hello, Semhar?
你好，塞姆哈尔？
Good morning, Semharina.
早上好，塞姆哈里娜。
I'm very sad.
我很伤心。
They've told me everything that's going on.
他们已经告诉我发生的一切了。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Please, Meron, my sister, please.
翻译 请，梅龙，我的妹妹，请。
Please help us.
请帮助我们。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw Semhar had been kidnapped while living in a refugee camp in Sudan, like Biniam and some of the other hostages with her.
约维·肖·塞姆哈尔 (Yowei Shaw Semhar) 和比尼安姆以及其他一些人质一样，在苏丹的难民营中被绑架。
She had left Eritrea in hopes of finding a job to support her mom, who was very poor and trying to raise four young children she'd taken in.
她离开厄立特里亚，希望找到一份工作来养活她的母亲，她的母亲非常贫穷，并试图抚养她收养的四个年幼的孩子。
Meron felt especially close to Semhar.
梅隆对塞姆哈尔感觉特别亲近。
And during this call, Semhar kept telling Meron how terrified she was, how she was on the verge of death, how she just couldn't bear it anymore.
在这次通话中，塞姆哈尔不断告诉梅隆她是多么害怕，她是多么濒临死亡，她是多么无法再忍受了。
Meron started crying.
梅龙开始哭泣。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Semhar [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
塞姆哈尔 [说提格里尼亚语]。
Her story really touched me, and now I feel like she's my younger sister.
她的故事让我很感动，现在我感觉她就像我的妹妹一样。
I mean, I've heard so many people crying in the Sinai.
我的意思是，我听到很多人在西奈半岛哭泣。
But she's a very special girl that just, I mean, the way she would beg was really--
但她是一个非常特别的女孩，我的意思是，她乞求的方式真的是——
How would she beg?
她会怎样哀求呢？
How was it different?
有什么不同吗？
I mean, it's just different.
我的意思是，这只是不同的。
Like she would say, my sister, Meron, please, please.
就像她会说的那样，我的妹妹，梅隆，求你了，求你了。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It's hard.
这很难。
You have to understand Tigrinya to get it.
你必须理解 Tigrinya 才能理解它。
So it was just different.
所以这只是不同的。
In fact, as we were interpreting the phone call you just heard, when we got to Semhar, our interpreter, who'd been listening to these recordings for hours, began crying herself and had to stop.
事实上，当我们翻译你刚刚听到的电话时，当我们到达塞姆哈尔时，我们的翻译已经听了这些录音几个小时，她自己也开始哭泣，不得不停下来。
She said she'd never heard anyone beg like that.
她说她从来没有听过有人这样乞讨。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw And the male hostages who were in captivity with Semhar felt the same way.
约维·肖以及与塞姆哈尔一起被囚禁的男性人质也有同样的感觉。
They told Meron that Semhar had it especially bad, even worse than them.
他们告诉梅隆，塞姆哈尔的情况尤其糟糕，甚至比他们还要糟糕。
One of the guards was taking her at night, and she came back crying.
晚上，一名警卫带走了她，她哭着回来。
They didn't know what he was doing with her.
他们不知道他对她做了什么。
They were saying, we know that you cannot save all of us.
他们说，我们知道你无法拯救我们所有人。
We are 28 people.
我们是28人。
But at least save this girl, and then we'll be happy.
但至少救救这个女孩，然后我们就会幸福。
Meron recorded all of these phone calls from the living room of her one-bedroom apartment, surrounded by photographs of her kids and lemon-painted walls in the woods of a quiet suburb of Stockholm.
梅龙在她的一居室公寓的客厅里记录了所有这些电话，周围是她孩子们的照片和斯德哥尔摩安静郊区树林里柠檬色的墙壁。
Hostages called at all hours-- during meals or in the middle of the night or early in the morning.
人质随时都会打电话来——吃饭时、半夜或清晨。
She'd have to watch her boys while talking to the hostages.
在与人质交谈时，她必须看着她的孩子们。
You can sometimes hear her kids in the recordings playing nearby.
有时您可以在录音中听到她的孩子在附近玩耍。
And it wasn't the kind of work that ended when she hung up the phone.
而且这并不是她挂断电话后就结束的工作。
I couldn't sleep.
我无法入睡。
All I was doing is just crying.
我所做的只是哭泣。
And the first three weeks, I couldn't even take care of my kids because I was just almost going crazy.
前三周，我什至无法照顾我的孩子，因为我几乎要疯了。
The screams were just-- I could hear the screams 24 hours in my head.
尖叫声只是——我24小时都能在脑海中听到尖叫声。
I couldn't breathe.
我无法呼吸。
Sometimes when you're tired, you say [EXHALES].
有时当你累了的时候，你会说[呼气]。
And that feels good, to breathe out.
呼吸的感觉很好。
But for three weeks, I couldn't do that.
但三个星期以来，我都无法做到这一点。
I would be trying-- [EXHALES]-- and still, it doesn't come out.
我会尝试——[呼气]——但还是没有成功。
I remember it was around 11:00 at night.
我记得当时是晚上11:00左右。
And I had quit smoking for a very long time.
而且我已经戒烟很长时间了。
And it was, like, five to 11:00.
时间大约是 5 点到 11:00。
And the store near my house closes at 11:00.
我家附近的商店11:00就关门了。
And I was rushing to buy cigarettes.
我也急忙去买烟。
And I remember taking the first smoke, and it was like for the first time, I was able to breathe out.
我记得吸第一口烟，就像第一次，我能够呼吸。
I could exhale, and it felt really good.
我可以呼一口气，感觉真好。
Things only seemed to be getting worse.
事情似乎只会变得更糟。
The hostages told her that a fifth person had died, and Meron says that's when she reached a turning point.
人质告诉她，第五人已经死亡，梅龙说，那是她遇到转折点的时候。
That's when I decided now, I cannot take this.
那时我就决定，我不能接受这个。
I cannot just sit by, and the world is not doing anything.
我不能袖手旁观，而世界却什么也不做。
At least I have to save one person.
至少我得救一个人。
And that's when I decided to do fundraising to collect money for the girl, that Semhar will be the one.
就在那时，我决定为这个女孩筹款，而塞姆哈就是那个人。
Meron knew that paying ransom was a bad idea.
梅隆知道支付赎金是个坏主意。
She knew it just encouraged more hostage-taking, and she knew it might not work.
她知道这只会鼓励更多的劫持人质，而且她知道这可能行不通。
The traffickers could take her $20,000 and still not let Semhar go.
人贩子可以拿走她 20,000 美元，但仍然不让塞姆哈尔走。
Also, it was so much money.
而且，还花了不少钱。
She'd raised money for causes before, but never that much.
她以前曾为慈善事业筹集过资金，但从来没有那么多。
At the beginning, I didn't believe that someone should pay.
一开始，我不相信有人应该付钱。
And I thought that if the international community knows about it, they would just send soldiers or something and rescue them.
我想如果国际社会知道了这件事，他们就会派出士兵什么的来营救他们。
That's the way I was thinking.
我就是这么想的。
But then you start realizing that you are on your own.
但后来你开始意识到你只能靠自己了。
Nobody will save these people.
没有人会拯救这些人。
And one by one, they start dying.
他们一一开始死亡。
So I could not take the phone calls that when I called the next day, they would tell me, oh, he just died.
所以我不能接电话，当我第二天打电话时，他们会告诉我，哦，他刚刚死了。
And he just died.
他刚刚死了。
So when five people died, that's when I decided, who cares if it's wrong or not?
所以当五个人死的时候，我就决定了，谁在乎这是否错误呢？
But I want to try, at least, to save one person so that I don't have a guilty feeling that I didn't try.
但我至少想尝试去拯救一个人，这样我就不会因为自己没有尝试而产生负罪感。
So Meron began asking for money.
于是梅龙开始要钱。
She wrote posts on Facebook and used Paltalk, a social media voice chat where a lot of Eritreans hang out.
她在 Facebook 上发帖，并使用 Paltalk，这是一种社交媒体语音聊天工具，很多厄立特里亚人都在其中闲逛。
At night, she went into different chat rooms, making her appeal.
晚上，她走进不同的聊天室，表达自己的诉求。
She got Eritrean ex-pats in the US, Norway, and the UK to collect money from people in their respective countries.
她让厄立特里亚侨民在美国、挪威和英国向各自国家的人们收钱。
But donations came slowly-- $20 here, $50 there.
但捐款来得很慢——这里 20 美元，那里 50 美元。
People were reluctant to give money for a ransom payment, understandably.
人们不愿意支付赎金，这是可以理解的。
She also had to contend with the internal politics of the Eritrean diaspora.
她还必须应对厄立特里亚侨民的内部政治。
Meron's pretty well-known as a strong opponent of the Eritrean government, and there are still large groups of Eritreans in the diaspora that support the government.
梅龙作为厄立特里亚政府的强烈反对者而闻名，侨民中仍然有大批厄立特里亚人支持政府。
So they didn't trust Meron.
所以他们不信任梅龙。
Some claimed she and the hostages were making the whole situation up to make the government look bad.
一些人声称她和人质捏造了整个情况，让政府看起来很糟糕。
They were saying, it must be a made-up something like for radio, like a drama or something.
他们说，这一定是一个虚构的东西，比如广播、戏剧之类的。
They thought I made it up.
他们以为是我编造出来的。
So I said, well, if you don't believe me, here.
所以我说，好吧，如果你不相信我，就在这里。
Here is the number.
这是号码。
You can call them yourself.
你可以自己打电话给他们。
That was really stupid of me.
我真是太愚蠢了。
It was stupid because people did take the hostages' phone number and started calling them, Biniam and the others, but not for the reason Meron had hoped.
这很愚蠢，因为人们确实拿走了人质的电话号码，并开始给他们、比尼亚姆和其他人打电话，但原因并非梅隆所希望的那样。
They started calling and cursing at them, saying, you think you can play us?
他们开始对他们打电话和咒骂，说，你认为你可以玩我们吗？
You're not going to get anything, a cent out of us, and calling them names, and told the girl that she is a whore trying to make money out of Eritreans.
你不会从我们身上得到任何东西，一分钱，并且辱骂他们，并告诉那个女孩，她是一个试图从厄立特里亚人身上赚钱的妓女。
On the phone afterwards, Biniam told Meron it really upset him.
事后，比尼亚姆在电话中告诉梅隆，这让他非常难过。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator They've been calling us all night.
他们整个晚上都在给我们打电话。
They would say we are jihadists.
他们会说我们是圣战分子。
We are swindlers.
我们是骗子。
And they are accusing us of actually trying to get them to send us money.
他们指责我们实际上试图让他们给我们寄钱。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw For Biniam, the fact that people didn't believe them struck at the one thing that was giving him even a shred of optimism-- the thought that Meron would be able to rally people on the outside to come to their rescue.
Yowei Shaw 对 Biniam 来说，人们不相信他们的事实打击了让他感到一丝乐观的一件事——梅龙将能够团结外部人士来拯救他们。
He was losing faith in Meron.
他对梅隆失去了信心。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator We've trusted you, and we've become extremely hopeless when we hear such talk coming from you and the other people.
翻译：我们已经信任你了，当我们听到你和其他人的这样的言论时，我们变得非常绝望。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Meron Estefanos [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Meron Estefanos [讲提格里尼亚语]。
Biniam, my brother, I believe you.
比尼亚姆，我的兄弟，我相信你。
I don't think you're pretending.
我不认为你在假装。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Biniam [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Biniam [说提格里尼亚语]。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator But you're all by yourself in this.
译者但你只能靠自己了。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Biniam [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Biniam [说提格里尼亚语]。
What can you accomplish all by yourself?
你一个人能完成什么？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Biniam [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Biniam [说提格里尼亚语]。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Biniam [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Biniam [说提格里尼亚语]。
If no one's willing to bail us out, we are all ready to commit suicide here.
如果没人愿意救我们，我们都准备在这里自杀。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Don't say that.
翻译：别这么说。
Don't say that.
别这么说。
There are people all over fighting for you.
到处都有人为你而战。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Biniam [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Biniam [说提格里尼亚语]。
But what are we supposed to do?
但我们应该做什么呢？
If you are the only one in this, we understand that you can not do anything.
如果您是唯一的一个人，我们知道您无能为力。
Meron, my sister, one hand cannot clap by itself.
梅龙，我的妹妹，一只手无法自行拍掌。
It's meaningless.
这是没有意义的。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I am in such a dire situation.
翻译：我现在的处境真是太糟糕了。
Because of the injuries that I have sustained in my head, my health is deteriorating on a daily basis.
由于我的头部受伤，我的健康状况每天都在恶化。
I believe that I'm going to die.
我相信我会死。
Well, if you ever give birth to a boy, please name him Biniam after me.
好吧，如果你生了一个男孩，请以我的名字给他命名为 Biniam。
Some hostages, like Biniam, Meron was talking to you nearly every day, sometimes several times a day.
有些人质，比如比尼亚姆、梅隆，几乎每天都和你说话，有时一天好几次。
But there were always new ones, too.
但也总是有新的。
One day early on, Meron got a call.
一天早些时候，梅隆接到一个电话。
A hostage began talking to her.
一名人质开始与她交谈。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Meron Estefanos [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Meron Estefanos [讲提格里尼亚语]。
And after a few minutes, she realized, wait, this isn't the same group of hostages I've been talking to.
几分钟后，她意识到，等等，这不是我一直在交谈的那群人质。
This is a whole different group of 31 people in the same situation-- being tortured and extorted for money in Sinai.
这是一群完全不同的 31 个人，他们面临着同样的情况——在西奈半岛遭受酷刑和勒索。
Somehow, they found out about me, and they got my number.
不知何故，他们发现了我，并得到了我的电话号码。
And then they called, and I started talking to them, interviewing them, broadcasting it on the radio.
然后他们打电话来，我开始与他们交谈，采访他们，并在广播中播放。
And then after a week or so, then another group heard of me.
大约一周后，另一群人听说了我。
So it became-- within a month, it was about six different groups of hostages that I was interviewing, like the group with 28, and then 31.
就这样，在一个月内，我采访了大约六组不同的人质，比如 28 人质组，然后是 31 人质组。
And then the third group were 71 people there.
然后第三组有71人。
Hello.
你好。
Meron Estefanos [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Meron Estefanos [讲提格里尼亚语]。
And then the fourth were about 150 people.
然后第四个大约有150人。
Then I stopped counting.
然后我就不再数了。
It became too much.
它变得太多了。
Everybody started calling me.
每个人都开始给我打电话。
At first, Meron was reluctant to get involved with other groups.
起初，梅龙不愿意参与其他团体。
But not surprisingly, she got drawn into their situations, as well.
但毫不奇怪，她也被他们的处境所吸引。
And as she spoke to more people, she was able to piece together a clearer picture of the criminal networks that were doing the trafficking.
随着她与更多人交谈，她能够更清晰地了解进行人口贩运的犯罪网络。
As best she could tell, a small group of Bedouin bosses in Sinai were at the top, but they had connections with gangs of kidnappers in Sudan, who would bring them truckloads of people.
据她所知，西奈半岛的一小群贝都因人头目处于高层，但他们与苏丹的绑匪团伙有联系，这些绑匪会给他们带来一卡车的人。
And they seemed to have agents in different cities around the world who would collect ransoms for them.
他们似乎在世界各地的不同城市都有代理人，可以为他们收取赎金。
Meron also learned that there were Eritreans working for the traffickers in the encampments.
梅龙还了解到，营地里有厄立特里亚人为人贩子工作。
Some of them were kind of like indentured servants, forced to do construction and cleaning jobs for the traffickers.
他们中的一些人有点像契约仆人，被迫为人贩子做建筑和清洁工作。
Others were interpreters, Eritreans who spoke Arabic as well as Tigrinya and served as go-betweens for the Bedouins to help them communicate with the hostages and their families.
其他人是厄立特里亚人的口译员，他们讲阿拉伯语和提格里尼亚语，充当贝都因人的中间人，帮助他们与人质及其家人沟通。
And in the first hostage group she was talking to, she learned that there was one interpreter in particular named John.
在与她交谈的第一个人质团体中，她了解到有一个特别名叫约翰的翻译。
She couldn't figure out his place in the hierarchy, whether he was a hostage forced to translate for the traffickers or if he'd actually joined their ring himself.
她无法弄清楚他在等级制度中的地位，无论他是被迫为人贩子翻译的人质，还是他自己实际上加入了他们的团伙。
A former hostage and a hostage's brother warned her that he was shady.
一名前人质和一名人质的兄弟警告她，他很可疑。
But then when she asked Biniam and Semhar if John was working with the Bedouins, they told her he wasn't.
但当她问比尼亚姆和塞姆哈尔约翰是否在与贝都因人合作时，他们告诉她他没有。
So in early April, when John came bearing good news, she didn't know if she could trust him.
所以四月初，当约翰带来好消息时，她不知道是否可以相信他。
She had been asking the traffickers for weeks to lower the ransom, and John brought word that they'd agreed.
几周来她一直要求人贩子降低赎金，约翰带来了他们同意的消息。
The new price was $5,000 per person.
新价格为每人 5,000 美元。
At this point, Meron had already sent $2,000 for Semhar.
此时，梅隆已经为塞姆哈尔寄出了 2000 美元。
So this meant she needed to send just $3,000 more, which was a lot more manageable than the original $20,000 price tag, if the discount was actually for real.
因此，这意味着她只需要多付 3,000 美元，如果折扣是真的的话，这比原来的 20,000 美元价格更容易管理。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw So if I pay $3,000 more, he'll let Semhar go, Meron asked Biniam.
Yowei Shaw：“所以如果我多付 3,000 美元，他就会放走 Semhar，”Meron 询问 Biniam。
Yes, Biniam said.
是的，比尼亚姆说。
If you pay $3,000 more right now, he will let Semhar go.
如果你现在多付 3,000 美元，他就会放走塞姆哈。
Meron was excited.
梅龙很兴奋。
This was her first break in the whole ordeal.
这是她在整个磨难中第一次突破。
But she soon found out it wasn't that simple.
但她很快就发现事情没那么简单。
Yowei Shaw.
肖佑威.
Coming up, things get precisely five times more complicated in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
接下来，当我们的节目继续进行时，芝加哥公共广播电台的报道称，事情在一分钟内就会变得复杂五倍。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's show, "This Call May Be Recorded to Save Your Life." We've been hearing a story that we first ran in 2013 about Meron Estefanos, a human rights activist and journalist who was trying to save a group of Eritrean hostages who were being held in Sinai.
今天的节目“这个电话可能会被录音以挽救你的生命。”我们在 2013 年首次报道了关于人权活动家兼记者梅龙·埃斯特法诺斯 (Meron Estefanos) 的报道，他试图拯救一群被关押在西奈半岛的厄立特里亚人质。
In the years since we first aired this story, this problem has actually stopped in the Sinai Peninsula because of increased Egyptian military presence there.
自从我们第一次播出这个故事以来的几年里，由于埃及在西奈半岛的军事存在增加，这个问题实际上已经停止了。
But it still continues elsewhere.
但这种情况在其他地方仍在继续。
According to Meron and human rights groups, Eritrean migrants are being held in torture camps and other places, particularly Libya.
据梅龙和人权组织称，厄立特里亚移民被关押在酷刑营和其他地方，特别是利比亚。
Meron says Libya is an even worse situation than Sinai was a few years ago.
梅龙说，利比亚的情况比几年前的西奈半岛还要糟糕。
At this point in our story, it's been over a month since her first phone call with the hostages, and she's been offered a discount, a break on the price to save one of them, the only woman in the group of 28.
在我们的故事中，距离她第一次与人质通电话已经过去一个多月了，她得到了折扣，价格上有折扣，以拯救其中一人，她是 28 人中唯一的女性。
Her name was Semhar.
她的名字叫塞姆哈尔。
Instead of a $20,000 ransom, it would be $5,000 to release her.
释放她的赎金不是 20,000 美元，而是 5,000 美元。
Release means, in this case, they would drive her to the Israeli border and tell her to run for it.
在这种情况下，释放意味着他们会开车送她到以色列边境并告诉她逃跑。
Just to repeat the warning that I made at the beginning of the program, this is a story with violence and lives being threatened.
只是重复我在节目开始时发出的警告，这是一个充满暴力和生命受到威胁的故事。
And there is some content that is probably not right for younger listeners.
有些内容可能不适合年轻听众。
Yowei Shaw picks up the story from here.
肖耀威的故事就从这里开始。
Meron called John, the Eritrean who was translating for the Bedouin traffickers.
梅龙给为贝都因人贩子做翻译的厄立特里亚人约翰打了电话。
She wanted to finalize the deal to get Semhar out, and John said, for sure.
她想敲定协议，让塞姆哈尔离开，约翰说，这是肯定的。
He could do this deal.
他可以做这笔交易。
He knew the Bedouins.
他认识贝都因人。
And as for the hostages, he said he was looking out for them as best as he could in a very difficult situation.
至于人质，他说，在非常困难的情况下，他正在尽最大努力寻找他们。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Here's the deal.
翻译：这就是交易。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator These are your brothers and sisters, and you're actually advocating for them, right?
翻译：这些是你的兄弟姐妹，你实际上是在为他们辩护，对吗？
Me here, when they try to kill them, I try to protect them.
我在这里，当他们试图杀死他们时，我会尽力保护他们。
And after they are tortured, I try to clean and dress their wounds.
在他们受到酷刑后，我尝试清理和包扎他们的伤口。
I try to wash the blood off their backs.
我试着洗掉他们背上的血迹。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I've been doing a lot for them.
翻译：我为他们做了很多事情。
John said the traffickers would do the deal.
约翰说人贩子会做这笔交易。
They would release Semhar for $5,000, but only if at least four other hostages paid $5,000 each at the same time.
他们愿意以 5,000 美元的价格释放塞姆哈尔，但前提是至少有四名人质同时每人支付 5,000 美元。
In other words, the discount only applied if Meron bought in bulk.
换句话说，折扣仅适用于 Meron 批量购买的情况。
A friend of Meron's who was on the call with John tried to push back, but John said, basically, don't tell me how to do my job.
与约翰通话的梅隆的一位朋友试图反驳，但约翰说，基本上，不要告诉我如何做我的工作。
Just do yours.
就做你的吧。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator You just need to focus on sending the money.
翻译 您只需要专注于汇款即可。
If you pay for those five people, I will get them to their destination safely.
如果你付那五个人的钱，我就能把他们安全送到目的地。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw Meron was skeptical, but she had no other option.
尤威·肖·梅隆对此表示怀疑，但她也没有其他选择。
She got in touch with four other families who were willing to pay the discounted ransom.
她联系了另外四个愿意支付折扣赎金的家庭。
Biniam was not one of these four hostages, by the way.
顺便说一句，比尼亚姆不是这四名人质之一。
His family was having trouble delivering the money.
他的家人在汇款方面遇到了困难。
The families would pay $5,000 for each of their relatives, and Meron would pay $5,000 for Semhar.
这些家庭将为每位亲属支付 5,000 美元，梅隆将为塞姆哈尔支付 5,000 美元。
Meron put out a frantic call to the people around the world who were helping her collect money for Semhar's ransom.
梅隆向世界各地帮助她筹集赎金的人们发出了疯狂的呼吁。
And maybe it was the urgency or maybe it was the fact that $5,000 seemed like a more realistic amount of money to raise than the original $20,000, but people chipped in.
也许是因为时间紧迫，也可能是因为 5,000 美元似乎比最初的 20,000 美元更现实，但人们还是纷纷捐款。
Within 48 hours, she had the money she needed.
48小时之内，她就拿到了她需要的钱。
They asked us to send the money using Western Union, which I did.
他们要求我们使用西联汇款汇款，我照做了。
So I called and asked if they got the money.
于是我就打电话问他们有没有收到钱。
They said yeah and said, well, I'm rushing right now.
他们说是的，并说，好吧，我现在正在赶路。
We're about to drive them to the border of Israel right now.
我们现在就要把他们赶到以色列边境。
I'll speak to you tomorrow.
我明天再跟你说话。
Meron was so nervous she couldn't sleep.
梅龙紧张得睡不着觉。
She spent the next 24 hours calling her contacts in Sinai and Israel to see if they had any updates.
接下来的 24 小时里，她给西奈半岛和以色列的联系人打电话，询问他们是否有任何最新消息。
She tried John again and again.
她一次又一次地尝试约翰。
Finally, he picked up.
最后，他接了起来。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Meron Estefanos Hello, Johnny.
梅隆·埃斯特法诺斯 你好，约翰尼。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
John, tell me honestly what have you done, she asked him.
约翰，诚实地告诉我你做了什么，她问他。
I've set five people free, he said.
“我已经释放了五个人，”他说。
I was really happy.
我真的很高兴。
So a friend of mine, she came and slept over in my house.
我的一个朋友，她来我家过夜。
This is a woman that was helping me raising money.
这是一位帮助我筹集资金的女士。
And we kind of celebrated.
我们有点庆祝。
I'm thinking, OK.
我想，好吧。
Everything is over now.
现在一切都结束了。
$5,000 is paid, and she's out.
支付了 5,000 美元后，她就出局了。
And then Meron got a call from the brother of one of the other hostages who was supposed to have been freed to Israel.
然后梅龙接到了另一名人质的兄弟打来的电话，该人质本应被释放到以色列。
He said, you know, their playing with us because my brother just called me.
他说，你知道，他们和我们一起玩是因为我哥哥刚刚给我打电话。
And he told me that he's in Sinai.
他告诉我他在西奈半岛。
And now they are asking for $15,000 more.
现在他们又要价 15,000 美元。
So it was all a game.
所以这只是一场游戏。
Meron phoned John and asked about Semhar.
梅隆打电话给约翰，询问塞姆哈尔的情况。
I called and said, how could you do this to me?
我打电话说，你怎么可以这样对我？
I know that she's there.
我知道她在那儿。
And then he started calling me names.
然后他开始骂我。
He didn't care.
他不在乎。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I don't give a [BLEEP] about those people.
我对那些人不屑一顾。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I don't care about them.
翻译：我不关心他们。
They are mother [BLEEP].
他们是母亲[哔]。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator You can't say that!
翻译：你不能这么说！
You tell us to pay money to have them released, and then when we pay, you won't release them.
你让我们付钱让他们释放，然后我们付了钱，你却不释放他们。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I don't want to harm anyone.
翻译我不想伤害任何人。
But whether those people live or die is none of my business.
但那些人的死活与我无关。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Meron Estefanos [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Meron Estefanos [讲提格里尼亚语]。
Hello?
你好？
John hung up on Meron.
约翰挂断了梅隆的电话。
A few minutes later, Meron got a missed call.
几分钟后，梅龙接到一个未接电话。
She returned it, and it was the hostages.
她还了回来，那是人质。
They insisted that the people who had been paid for had been freed, that they'd made it to Israel.
他们坚称那些被付钱的人已经获释，他们已经到达以色列。
They begged Meron to free them now, too.
他们现在也请求梅隆释放他们。
But she didn't believe them.
但她不相信他们。
Her plan had completely failed.
她的计划彻底失败了。
It had been five weeks since her first phone call with the hostages, and now she thought John was trying to get more money out of her by forcing the hostages to say these things.
距离她第一次给人质打电话已经过去五个星期了，现在她认为约翰是想通过强迫人质说出这些话来从她身上套取更多的钱。
Biniam got on the phone.
比尼亚姆接通了电话。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator How you been?
翻译 你过得怎么样？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I'm not doing well, Biniam.
译者 我做得不太好，Biniam。
This is not good.
这不好。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator This has become a joke.
译者这已经成为一个笑话了。
I'm not going to be able to do anything for you going forward, Biniam.
今后我将无法为你做任何事，Biniam。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I'm going to tell the families not to pay.
翻译：我要告诉家属不要付钱。
People pay, and no one is being released.
人们付出了代价，但没有人被释放。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator But they have left.
译者但他们已经离开了。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator OK, well, once they call me and tell me they've left, that's when I'll call you.
好吧，好吧，一旦他们打电话给我并告诉我他们已经离开，我就会给你打电话。
But until then, I will not call you.
但在那之前，我不会给你打电话。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Meron Estefanos [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
Meron Estefanos [讲提格里尼亚语]。
Meron hung up on him.
梅隆挂断了他的电话。
But she couldn't help yourself.
但她却控制不住自己。
It wasn't long before she called Biniam and the other hostages again, but John and the traffickers prohibited them from speaking to her like they used to.
没过多久，她再次打电话给比尼亚姆和其他人质，但约翰和人贩子禁止他们像以前那样和她说话。
Whenever I called, they would tell them to call me names.
每当我打电话时，他们都会叫他们谩骂我。
They would force them to call me names.
他们会强迫他们辱骂我。
And at the beginning, I was really hurt.
一开始，我真的很受伤。
They were saying the same thing-- don't call us here, you whore.
他们说的是同一件事——别叫我们来这里，你这个妓女。
We don't want you.
我们不需要你。
You're just making money out of us.
你只是从我们身上赚钱。
Eventually, Biniam, Semhar, and the rest of the group stopped talking to Meron completely.
最终，比尼亚姆、塞姆哈尔和其他人完全停止了与梅隆的交谈。
It's been more than two years since that happened.
距离那件事已经过去两年多了。
Meron kept talking to other hostages on the phone, dozens of them.
梅龙不断与其他人质通电话，其中有数十人。
And without ever meaning to, she became one of the people Eritrean hostages and their families turned to for help.
无意中，她成为厄立特里亚人质及其家人寻求帮助的人之一。
In those years, she's learned about the different traffickers and the different tricks they use, which traffickers can be relied on to let people go once they've paid, and which ones can't.
那些年里，她了解了不同的人贩子以及他们使用的不同伎俩，哪些人贩子可以在付钱后放人，哪些则不能。
One former hostage described Meron's phone calls this way-- she said when she talked to her family from the torture camp, all they would do is panic and freak out.
一名前人质这样描述梅龙的电话——她说，当她在酷刑营与家人通话时，他们只会惊慌失措。
Meron, on the other hand, was mostly calm and comforting.
另一方面，梅龙则显得很平静，令人感到安慰。
She'd give you clear updates and tell you what was being done to help.
她会给你清晰的最新消息，并告诉你正在采取哪些措施来提供帮助。
It was a relief.
这是一种解脱。
Meron isn't sure how many hostages she's helped get free over the years, but one of them is Biniam.
梅隆不确定这些年来她帮助解救了多少名人质，但比尼亚姆就是其中之一。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Tomorrow, the 18th of July, it's going to be exactly two years.
翻译：明天，7月18日，正好两年了。
Biniam got out of Sinai in 2011.
比尼亚姆于 2011 年离开西奈半岛。
He's showing one of This American Life's producers around his small apartment in Israel, where he lives now.
他正在带一位《美国生活》的制片人参观他在以色列的小公寓，他现在住在那里。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Here, this is our bedroom.
翻译这里，这是我们的卧室。
This is the bathroom.
这是浴室。
And this is our kitchen.
这是我们的厨房。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator In all these apartments, we live, like, four people.
在所有这些公寓里，我们住着四个人。
And we three, we've been together in Sinai.
我们三个人一起在西奈半岛。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator This is how my apartment looks like.
这就是我的公寓的样子。
My producer Brian Reed and I interviewed Biniam.
我的制片人布莱恩·里德和我采访了比尼亚姆。
He sat on his twin bed, next to an interpreter, and described what he remembered from the months he was talking to Meron.
他坐在自己的单人床上，旁边是一名翻译，描述了他与梅隆谈话的几个月中所记得的事情。
From the outside, the place they were held looked like the foundation of a house with a corrugated metal roof placed on top of it.
从外面看，他们被关押的地方就像一座房子的地基，上面有一个波纹状的金属屋顶。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA] Translator We don't see nothing.
[提格里尼亚语] 翻译 我们什么也没看到。
We are in the darkness.
我们在黑暗中。
We are underground.
我们在地下。
Everything is dark.
一切都是黑暗的。
The only time we're going out, it's to use the bathroom, and only in the night time.
我们唯一一次出去就是上厕所，而且只有在晚上。
And when we go out, you smell people smell, like dead body smell because everybody die, and they'd throw 'em out at this place just right outside.
当我们出去时，你会闻到人们的气味，就像死尸的味道，因为每个人都会死，他们会把他们扔到外面的这个地方。
Who was holding you?
谁抱着你？
What did they look like, and how many of them were there?
他们长什么样子，有多少人？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator There were eight guards on us.
我们身边有八个警卫。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator There are elder ones, between 40 and 50 or 40 and 55 years old, controlling the torture and everything.
翻译：有年长的，40到50岁或者40到55岁之间，控制酷刑和一切。
And those who are really guarding us are the youngest ones.
而真正守护我们的，都是最年轻的。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator They'd been in the age of 20 or something.
他们当时大概20岁左右。
What was the demeanor of the torturers like--
施刑者的表情是什么样的——
That's my producer, Brian.
那是我的制片人布莱恩。
Brian Reed --when they're doing these things to you?
Brian Reed——他们什么时候对你做这些事情的？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Yeah.
译者是啊。
They need to be stoned to come and torture you.
他们需要被石头砸死才能来折磨你。
You can see that they took drugs because their eyes changed.
你可以看到他们吸毒是因为他们的眼睛发生了变化。
They've been so red, and they look so angry, their eyes.
他们的眼睛变得如此红，看起来如此愤怒。
And they're acting like they are angry.
他们表现得好像很生气。
But they're also playing around while they're beating you up.
但他们在殴打你的同时也在玩耍。
They're laughing.
他们在笑。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator They have to take drugs.
翻译 他们必须吸毒。
They are not that tough.
他们并没有那么强硬。
How often did you guys exaggerate or lie to Meron because you were being forced to?
你们有多少次因为被迫而对梅隆夸大或撒谎？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Many times, so many times.
译者很多次，很多次。
Biniam told us that John, the Eritrean who was working with the traffickers, was constantly standing over them on the calls, telling the hostages to make thing sound as horrible as possible, that the traffickers were going to kill them now, that they'd harvest their organs.
比尼亚姆告诉我们，与人贩子合作的厄立特里亚人约翰在接到电话时一直站在他们旁边，告诉人质让事情听起来尽可能可怕，人贩子现在要杀死他们，他们会摘取他们的器官。
The hostages came to understand these were bluffs.
人质逐渐明白这些都是虚张声势。
And when Biniam told Meron that Semhar and the four other hostages had been freed, in fact, they were sitting right there in the room.
当比尼亚姆告诉梅隆塞姆哈尔和其他四名人质已被释放时，事实上，他们就坐在房间里。
But Biniam and another hostage from this group that we spoke to said the torture they described on the phone to Meron was all real.
但比尼亚姆和我们采访的该组织的另一名人质表示，他们在电话中向梅隆描述的酷刑都是真实的。
It would have been hard to exaggerate, Biniam said, because it was so awful.
比尼亚姆说，这很难夸张，因为它太可怕了。
He and the other hostage both remember at least four people who died while in captivity.
他和另一名人质都记得至少有四人在被囚禁期间死亡。
How does the phone work, exactly?
电话究竟是如何工作的？
Do you guys have a lot of access to it?
你们有很多机会接触它吗？
Or is it totally under the control of the guards and the traffickers?
还是完全在看守和人贩子的控制之下？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator We can't touch the phone.
翻译 我们不能碰电话。
There is this [TIGRINYA].
有这个[TIGRINYA]。
This is the translator.
这是翻译者。
His name is John.
他的名字叫约翰。
He will put the phone on our ears while we're speaking.
当我们说话时，他会把电话放在我们耳边。
So wait.
所以等等。
You never were-- we've listened to a lot of recordings of you talking to Meron.
你从来没有——我们听过很多你和梅隆谈话的录音。
Through all of those, you were never actually holding the phone yourself?
在所有这些过程中，您自己从来没有真正拿着过手机吗？
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Yeah, we're not touching the phone.
是的，我们不会碰电话。
We're not touching the phone at all 'cause they're afraid we send messages.
我们根本不碰手机，因为他们害怕我们发送消息。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw So picture Meron's first phone call from Biniam's perspective.
Yowei Shaw So 从 Biniam 的角度描绘了 Meron 的第一个电话。
He's lying on the ground, shackled, blindfolded, almost completely in darkness.
他躺在地上，戴着脚镣，眼睛被蒙住，几乎完全处于黑暗之中。
All of a sudden, John comes up to him and holds a cell phone to his ear.
突然，约翰走到他面前，把手机放在他耳边。
There's a woman's voice on the line saying, hello?
电话里传来一个女人的声音，喂？
She's from Sweden, and she's on the case, telling him to stay strong and not to worry.
她来自瑞典，负责此案，告诉他要坚强，不要担心。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I thought it's a dream, the first call I had with her.
我以为这是一个梦，这是我和她的第一次通话。
And the other way, I was suspicious because I thought, is it maybe a girl from another room being tortured like us, trying to convince us to talk to our family to get the money?
另一方面，我很怀疑，因为我想，是否可能是另一个房间的一个女孩像我们一样受到酷刑，试图说服我们与家人交谈以获取钱？
So when Biniam first spoke to Meron, he felt the same way about her that she felt about him.
因此，当比尼亚姆第一次与梅隆交谈时，他对她的感觉就像她对他的感觉一样。
He didn't know if she was trustworthy.
他不知道她是否值得信任。
But as Meron called more and more, he noticed that it put the traffickers in a better mood.
但随着梅龙打电话的次数越来越多，他注意到这让人贩子的心情变得更好。
They became encouraged that money was on the way.
钱即将到账，他们感到很受鼓舞。
It seemed genuine.
看起来是真的。
Sometimes they took his blindfold off to let him speak to her.
有时他们把他的眼罩摘下来，让他和她说话。
And sometimes, amazingly, after a call from Meron, the traffickers wouldn't torture the hostages.
有时，令人惊奇的是，在接到梅隆的电话后，人贩子就不再折磨人质了。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator We'd been tortured every night.
我们每天晚上都受到折磨。
But there were nights when she calls, we'd not been tortured.
但有些夜晚，当她打电话来时，我们并没有受到折磨。
We'd be sleeping without being tortured because of her call.
我们会睡觉，不会因为她的电话而受到折磨。
And Meron did something else for Biniam.
梅隆还为比尼亚姆做了其他事情。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Before Meron called, I was not calling my family.
在梅龙打电话之前，我没有给我的家人打电话。
I'm coming from a very poor family.
我来自一个非常贫穷的家庭。
$20,000, I have never seen that before.
20,000美元，我以前从未见过。
So I never thought about asking my family.
所以我从来没有想过去问我的家人。
That's like giving them pain.
这就像给他们带来痛苦。
Asking for $20,000, it means, like, torturing them.
索要2万美元，就等于折磨他们。
The best thing to do was let them think that I'm already dead.
最好的办法就是让他们认为我已经死了。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator But then Meron called.
但随后梅隆打来电话。
She pushed me to call my family.
她催促我给家人打电话。
She pushed me.
她推了我。
She told me, tell them.
她告诉我，告诉他们。
Maybe they can do something.
也许他们可以做点什么。
She gave me the idea.
她给了我这个想法。
I would never do that.
我永远不会那样做。
She gave me hope.
她给了我希望。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Yowei Shaw Biniam listened to Meron.
Yowei Shaw Biniam 听了 Meron 的讲话。
He called his family and asked for the money.
他给家人打电话要钱。
And to his utter surprise, they were able to scrounge together more than $10,000, getting money from relatives as far as Germany, Angola, and the United States.
令他大吃一惊的是，他们从远在德国、安哥拉和美国的亲戚那里凑到了超过 10,000 美元。
Biniam says they sent the money to John, but John told Biniam he never got it.
比尼亚姆说他们把钱寄给了约翰，但约翰告诉比尼亚姆他从未收到过。
Biniam was sold to another group of traffickers with Semhar.
比尼亚姆和塞姆哈尔一起被卖给了另一伙人贩子。
This was a group that was worse than the first.
这是一组比第一组更糟糕的组。
They raped Semhar in front of him.
他们当着塞姆哈尔的面强奸了他。
Other awful things happened until finally, one day, a guard came up to Biniam and took his chains off.
其他可怕的事情也发生了，直到有一天，一名警卫来到比尼亚姆面前，解开了他的锁链。
He was so weak he could barely walk.
他太虚弱了，几乎无法行走。
So he rested at the camp for five days before the traffickers drove him and some other hostages to an area near the Israeli border.
因此，他在营地休息了五天，然后人贩子将他和其他一些人质带到以色列边境附近的地区。
They crawled through a hole in what Biniam hoped was the border fence.
他们爬过比尼亚姆希望是边境围栏上的一个洞。
Eventually, some soldiers came up to him and told him he was in Israel.
最终，一些士兵走到他面前并告诉他他在以色列。
When he got access to a phone, he called Meron.
当他拿到电话后，他给梅隆打了电话。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator She didn't even believe that I'm calling her from Israel.
她甚至不相信我是从以色列给她打电话。
She were like-- we didn't talk.
她就像——我们没有说话。
We were crying, both of us.
我们俩都哭了。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator Meron is actually everything for me.
译者梅隆实际上对我来说就是一切。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator With the voice I hear from her, I feel more than I feel for my mother's voice.
我听到她的声音，我的感受比我母亲的声音还要强烈。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator I owe her my life.
翻译 我欠她一条命。
Biniam's name's doing pretty well, considering.
考虑到，Biniam 的名字做得相当不错。
He has a job as a housekeeper at a hotel.
他在一家酒店担任管家。
He's slowly trying to pay his family back the thousands they raised for his ransom.
他正在慢慢地努力偿还家人为他筹集的数千美元赎金。
To unwind, he writes poetry and songs, though he hasn't written about Sinai yet.
为了放松，他写诗和歌曲，尽管他还没有写过关于西奈半岛的文章。
But life in Israel is hard.
但以色列的生活很艰难。
Biniam still has injuries.
比尼亚姆仍有伤。
He limps.
他一瘸一拐的。
His eyesight is impaired.
他的视力受损。
He has trouble using his hands because he was chained for so long, which means his job making hotel beds is difficult.
由于长时间被铁链锁着，他的双手无法使用，这意味着他在酒店铺床的工作很困难。
He applied for asylum when he arrived in Israel, but he says the government hasn't given him an answer on that.
他抵达以色列时申请了庇护，但他说政府尚未就此给予他答复。
That means he gets no assistance with medical care, no legal work permit.
这意味着他得不到医疗援助，也没有合法的工作许可证。
And he's not alone.
他并不孤单。
This is, in practice, Israel's policy towards migrants.
这实际上是以色列针对移民的政策。
In the most recent figures available from the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, Israel granted refugee status to less than 1% of people who might qualify, the lowest rate of any developed country.
根据联合国难民事务高级专员提供的最新数据，以色列向可能符合资格的人授予难民地位的人数不到 1%，这是所有发达国家中比例最低的。
A US State Department report declared in 2012 that the Israeli government doesn't even process asylum applications from Eritreans.
美国国务院2012年的一份报告宣称，以色列政府甚至不处理厄立特里亚人的庇护申请。
As best as we can tell, of the 29 hostages Biniam was originally held with, at least four died.
据我们所知，比尼亚姆最初被扣押的 29 名人质中，至少有四人死亡。
One disappeared.
一个消失了。
One went back to Eritrea.
其中一人返回厄立特里亚。
And the rest, over 20 of them, are now in Israel.
其余的，超过20人，现在都在以色列。
They try to get together when they can.
他们尽可能地聚在一起。
Biniam says most of them are doing OK.
比尼亚姆说，他们中的大多数人都过得很好。
But you don't go through an experience like this and just move on.
但你不会经历这样的经历然后继续前进。
One last warning-- this next quote gets graphic.
最后一个警告——下一句话变得生动起来。
Here's Biniam.
这是比尼亚姆。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator In my mind, I don't really get over it.
翻译：在我看来，我还没有真正克服它。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator It's like every second, it's walking around with me.
就好像每一秒，它都陪着我走来走去。
I'm living in it.
我就住在其中。
I don't know.
我不知道。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator What comes up always in my mind is about Semhar.
我脑子里总是浮现出关于塞姆哈尔的事。
I just open my eyes, and I see her, raping her.
我刚睁开眼睛，就看到她正在强奸她。
And I was praying for her to die.
我祈祷她死掉。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator That's the time she was drived crazy, where she get lost, mental lost.
那是她被逼疯的时候，她迷失了方向，精神失落。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Translator And I really see that all the time, again and again.
译者 我真的一次又一次地看到这一点。
Biniam says Semhar's the person from his group who is doing the worst.
比尼亚姆说，塞姆哈尔是他的团队中表现最差的人。
She eventually made it to Israel, but only after an epic ordeal that went on long after Meron paid the $5,000 for her.
她最终到达了以色列，但在梅隆为她支付了 5000 美元之后，她经历了一场史诗般的磨难。
She told Meron the whole story in an interview afterwards.
她在事后接受采访时向梅龙讲述了整个故事。
Once the trafficker cut off Semhar from Meron and demanded $15,000 more, Semhar's mother in Eritrea, who is very poor, scraped together the money by begging people and taking loans.
当人贩子切断了塞姆哈尔与梅隆的联系并索要 15,000 美元后，塞姆哈尔在厄立特里亚的母亲非常贫穷，便通过乞讨和贷款凑了钱。
She sent it to the trafficker.
她把它寄给了人贩子。
Here's Meron.
这是梅龙。
And then he tried to sell her to another house.
然后他试图把她卖给另一所房子。
And when he took her to another house, they said, call your mom.
当他带她去另一所房子时，他们说，给你妈妈打电话。
She said, no. Over my dead body.
她说，不。在我的尸体上。
You can kill me, but she refused to call to her mother.
你可以杀了我，但她拒绝叫她妈妈。
They kept torturing her, torturing her, and she refused.
他们不断地折磨她、折磨她，她不肯。
She said, just kill me.
她说，杀了我吧。
I'm not calling anyone begging for more money.
我不会打电话给任何人乞讨更多的钱。
Finally, these new traffickers cut their losses and dropped Semhar near the Israeli border.
最后，这些新的贩运者减少了损失，并将塞姆哈尔投放到以色列边境附近。
They told her to climb the fence to get into Israel.
他们告诉她要翻过栅栏才能进入以色列。
Semhar was weak from months at the torture camp, and before she could get across the fence, Egyptian guards spotted her and shot her in the leg.
塞姆哈尔在酷刑营待了几个月，身体一直很虚弱，在她跨过栅栏之前，埃及警卫发现了她，开枪射中了她的腿。
They took Semhar to a hospital in Egypt, where she got treatment.
他们把塞姆哈尔带到埃及的一家医院，她在那里接受治疗。
Eventually, Semhar told her story to a nurse, who felt sorry for her.
最终，塞姆哈尔向一名护士讲述了她的故事，护士为她感到难过。
The nurse brought Semhar home for a while and later paid a smuggler to take her to Israel, where she lives today.
护士将塞姆哈尔带回家一段时间，后来付钱给走私者将她带到以色列，她今天居住在那里。
Meron eventually went to visit her.
梅龙最终去看望了她。
Semhar still has injuries and pain, which make it hard for her to work.
塞姆哈尔仍然受伤和疼痛，这使她很难工作。
Plus, Meron says--
另外，梅龙说——
She's now in a very bad situation where it's really hard to communicate.
她现在的处境非常糟糕，真的很难沟通。
Mentally, she's not well.
从精神上来说，她不太好。
When we met, we hugged and we started crying, both of us.
当我们见面时，我们拥抱并开始哭泣，我们俩都是。
But suddenly, she just fainted as I was hugging her.
但突然，当我拥抱她时，她晕倒了。
And she fainted.
她晕倒了。
And then subconsciously, she would get up and start screaming, you whore!
然后她就会下意识地站起来尖叫，你这个贱人！
Don't touch me.
别碰我。
And she would hit anyone that's near her.
而且她会打任何靠近她的人。
So it took about five, 10 minutes, and then after that, she woke up.
就这样过了大约五、十分钟，然后她就醒了。
And she was like, hi, Meron.
她说，嗨，梅隆。
How are you?
你好吗？
I'm so happy to see you.
我很高兴见到你。
And so she's talking like a normal thing, like nothing has happened.
所以她说话就像平常一样，就像什么都没发生过一样。
And she doesn't remember what she just had done.
而且她不记得自己刚刚做了什么。
Meron tried to get Semhar to start seeing a doctor to help her deal with the trauma, but Semhar refused.
梅隆试图让塞姆哈尔开始看医生来帮助她处理创伤，但塞姆哈尔拒绝了。
She was living with a man in Tel Aviv who claimed to be a healer who could help exorcise her demons, and he wouldn't let her seek standard medical help.
她与特拉维夫的一名男子住在一起，该男子自称是一位可以帮助她驱除恶魔的治疗师，但他不让她寻求标准的医疗帮助。
After Meron's trip to Israel, she pretty much lost touch with Semhar.
梅隆去以色列旅行后，她与塞姆哈尔几乎失去了联系。
In July 2012, on a trip to Israel, Meron did something she'd been waiting to do since she first started talking to the hostages-- meet some of them face-to-face.
2012 年 7 月，在前往以色列的旅途中，梅龙做了一件自从她第一次与人质交谈以来就一直在等待做的事情——与其中一些人面对面见面。
She sent word to former hostages that anyone who wanted to meet her should come to Levinsky Park, a place in Tel Aviv where a lot of Eritreans go.
她向前人质发出消息，任何想见她的人都应该来特拉维夫的莱文斯基公园，这是很多厄立特里亚人去的地方。
Meron got there in the early evening.
梅龙是傍晚时分到达那里的。
A filmmaker was with her shooting video.
一位电影制片人正在和她一起拍摄视频。
She was excited, anxious.
她很兴奋，也很焦虑。
And far away, I could see a lot of people sitting on the grass.
远远的，我就看到草地上坐着很多人。
I was expecting about five or six would come to see me.
我原以为会有五六个人来看我。
But there were so many of them.
但他们的数量实在是太多了。
These are the people.
这些是人。
Hi.
你好。
Hi.
你好。
Everybody stood up.
大家都站了起来。
I remember one of them came first and hugged me.
我记得其中一个人先来拥抱了我。
And I just start crying.
我就开始哭泣。
Asking who are you, and he was saying, this person.
问你是谁，他说，这个人。
And then the next person, the next person.
然后下一个人，下一个人。
[SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
[说提格里尼亚语]。
Man [SPEAKING TIGRINYA].
男人[说提格里尼亚语]。
About 20 people stood in a circle around Meron.
大约有 20 个人围着梅隆站成一圈。
She went up to each of them, one by one, and hugged them.
她一一走到他们面前，拥抱他们。
There was a man whose cousin Meron had convinced to pay his ransom.
有一个人的表弟梅隆说服他支付赎金。
I'm so happy you guys made it out safely, Meron said to him as they hugged.
我很高兴你们能安全逃脱，”梅隆在他们拥抱时对他说道。
I'm so happy that I've seen you alive.
我很高兴看到你还活着。
Another was a 14-year-old girl whose ransom Meron had paid with money she raised herself.
另一个人是一名 14 岁的女孩，梅隆用她自己筹集的资金支付了赎金。
The girl broke down in tears as soon as Meron got close to her.
梅隆一靠近，女孩就泪流满面。
The group headed to a restaurant.
一行人前往一家餐厅。
Meron bought a round of beers.
梅龙买了一轮啤酒。
She seemed giddy.
她看上去有些头晕。
She was talking a lot, way more than the hostages, telling stories about this phone call or that phone call, about the time people thought the hostages were lying and making up a radio drama, or about the time she told John the translator off.
她说了很多话，比人质说的还多，讲述了关于这个电话或那个电话的故事，关于人们认为人质在撒谎并编造广播剧的故事，或者关于她告诉翻译约翰的故事。
This is Meron's life now.
这就是梅龙现在的生活。
She still covers the torture camps on the radio.
她仍然在广播中报道酷刑营的情况。
She helps other reporters do stories, too, speaks about Sinai at conferences.
她也帮助其他记者报道，在会议上谈论西奈半岛。
And she used her recordings to co-author a lengthy report that was submitted to the European Union Parliament.
她利用自己的录音与人共同撰写了一份冗长的报告，并提交给了欧盟议会。
A few months ago, she even went to Sinai for the first time to try and get local sheikhs to address the hostage problem.
几个月前，她甚至第一次前往西奈半岛，试图让当地的酋长解决人质问题。
And then, of course, she still gets phone calls from hostages and their families all the time.
当然，她仍然经常接到人质及其家人的电话。
My life has changed totally.
我的生活彻底改变了。
I don't know how to lead a normal life right now because I feel bad if I'm laughing.
我现在不知道如何过正常的生活，因为如果我笑的话我会感觉很糟糕。
I feel bad if I'm going out.
如果我要出去我会感觉很糟糕。
Sometimes, they would make a missed call while I'm eating my dinner.
有时，当我吃晚饭时，他们会拨打未接电话。
I tried to talk to them while I'm eating.
我试着一边吃饭一边和他们说话。
But I try to chew like as slow as I can so that they don't notice that I'm eating because I would feel bad that I'm eating and they don't have anything to eat.
但我试着尽可能慢地咀嚼，这样他们就不会注意到我在吃东西，因为我会因为我在吃东西而他们没有东西吃而感到难过。
I mean, that has become my life.
我的意思是，这已经成为我的生活。
This has become my call for life, actually.
事实上，这已经成为我对生活的呼唤。
I just feel that this was meant for me, and this is my call.
我只是觉得这是为我而设的，这是我的决定。
I see it as part of my life, stopping this.
我把它视为我生活的一部分，阻止这一切。
I see them as my family.
我将他们视为我的家人。
When was the last time you talked to a hostage?
你最后一次与人质交谈是什么时候？
Yowei Shaw.
肖佑威.
Brian Reed produced her story.
布莱恩·里德创作了她的故事。
As I mentioned earlier, since we first reported this story in 2013, the Egyptian military increased its presence in the Sinai, putting a stop to the Bedouin torture camps there.
正如我之前提到的，自从我们在 2013 年首次报道这个故事以来，埃及军队增加了在西奈半岛的存在，制止了那里的贝都因人酷刑营。
But people are still fleeing Eritrea in large numbers.
但仍有大批人逃离厄立特里亚。
They're paying smugglers to take them to the Mediterranean for a shot at getting on a boat to Europe.
他们付钱给走私者，让他们把自己带到地中海，尝试乘船前往欧洲。
And just like in the Sinai, these smugglers often take Eritreans hostage and torture them, trying to extort money from their families.
就像在西奈半岛一样，这些走私者经常劫持厄立特里亚人作为人质并折磨他们，试图向他们的家人勒索钱财。
Meron says she gets more calls from hostages now than she ever has.
梅隆说，她现在接到的人质打来的电话比以往任何时候都多。
And a new danger has emerged in the last few years.
过去几年出现了新的危险。
Even if you manage to avoid a bad smuggler, there's a chance that you could get caught by ISIS on your way to Europe.
即使您设法避开了坏走私犯，您也有可能在前往欧洲的途中被伊斯兰国抓住。
And unlike the smugglers or the Bedouins in Sinai, they're not interested in money.
与走私者或西奈半岛的贝都因人不同，他们对金钱不感兴趣。
They try to get the hostages to join ISIS.
他们试图让人质加入伊斯兰国。
And if they refuse, they kill them.
如果他们拒绝，他们就会杀死他们。
As for the situation in Israel, according to the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, which works with migrants there, there are roughly 30,000 Eritrean migrants living in Israel who made it through the Sinai.
至于以色列的情况，根据与以色列移民合作的希伯来移民援助协会的数据，大约有 3 万名厄立特里亚移民通过西奈半岛生活在以色列。
But as of last year, the state has still only recognized fewer than 1% of Eritrean asylum applicants, according to the UN, leaving thousands of Eritreans in a holding pattern, including Biniam, who's still in Israel.
但据联合国称，截至去年，该国仍然只承认了不到 1% 的厄立特里亚庇护申请者，导致数千名厄立特里亚人处于等待状态，其中包括仍在以色列的比尼亚姆。
Meron tells us he's now married.
梅龙告诉我们他现在已经结婚了。
Semhar eventually got out of Israel.
塞姆哈尔最终离开了以色列。
She's now living in Sweden, not far from Meron, actually.
她现在住在瑞典，实际上离梅龙不远。
Meron says she's taking classes.
梅龙说她正在上课。
She's doing better mentally.
她的精神状态好多了。
She recently got married.
她最近结婚了。
Semhar invited Meron to the wedding.
塞姆哈尔邀请梅隆参加婚礼。
Meron says it was the best day she's had since the calls began.
梅隆说，这是自从接到电话以来她度过的最好的一天。
[MUSIC - "IF YOU CALL" BY SHARON JONES AND THE DAP KINGS]
[音乐 - 莎朗琼斯和民主行动党国王的“如果你打电话”]
Well, our program was produced today by Lisa Pollak.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由 Lisa Pollak 制作的。
Other staff for today's show-- Phia Bennin, Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Sarah Koenig, Miki Meek, Jonathan Menjivar, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
今天节目的其他工作人员包括：Phia Bennin、Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Sarah Koenig、Miki Meek、Jonathan Menjivar、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike。
Our senior producer for today show is Julie Snyder.
我们今天节目的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help from Emmanuel Dzotsi.
Emmanuel Dzotsi 提供制作帮助。
Our technical director is Matt Tierney.
我们的技术总监是马特·蒂尔尼。
Other staff-- Elise Bergerson, Emily Condon, Kimberly Henderson, and Seth Lind.
其他工作人员——Elise Bergerson、Emily Condon、Kimberly Henderson 和 Seth Lind。
Music help from Damian Graef, from Rob Geddis.
达米安·格雷夫 (Damian Graef) 和罗布·格迪斯 (Rob Geddis) 提供音乐帮助。
Research help from Michelle Harris.
米歇尔·哈里斯的研究帮助。
Research and Tigrinya translations by Hanna Haile.
汉娜·海尔 (Hanna Haile) 的研究和提格里尼亚语翻译。
Tigrinya interpreters who you heard during this hour-- Bealfan Haile, Helen Ghebreselassie, Ayda Equbay, Gideon Gebreyesus, and Phillipos Tesfai.
您在这一小时内听到的提格里尼亚语口译员是 Bealfan Haile、Helen Ghebreselassie、Ayda Equbay、Gideon Gebreyesus 和 Phillipos Tesfai。
Thanks also today to Lina Attalah, Jerry Simpson, Shahar Shoham, Claire Beston, Sigal Rozen, John Stauffer, Maya Paley, and Isayas Sium.
今天还要感谢 Lina Attalah、Jerry Simpson、Shahar Shoham、Claire Beston、Sigal Rozen、John Stauffer、Maya Paley 和 Isayas Sium。
Our website-- thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站——thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's co-founder Mr. Torey Malatia, who's been getting into-- and, OK, I know how this sounds-- Eritrean stand-up.
一如既往地感谢我们节目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生，他一直在参与——好吧，我知道这听起来如何——厄立特里亚的单口相声。
Seriously, he's been doing comedy bits for me all week around the office.
说真的，他整个星期都在办公室里为我表演喜剧片段。
I tell him, Torey, they're not that funny.
我告诉他，托里，他们没那么好笑。
He says--
他说——
I don't know.
我不知道。
Like, it's hard.
就像，这很难。
You have to understand Tigrinya to get it.
你必须理解 Tigrinya 才能理解它。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life .
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
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[音乐 - 莎朗琼斯和民主行动党国王的“如果你打电话”]
This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。