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Prologue Ira Glass OK, everybody.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 好的，大家好。
Ready?
准备好？
Ready?
准备好？
Lights, camera, Christmas.
灯光，相机，圣诞节。
Well, my parents say that I can't have a dog.
嗯，我父母说我不能养狗。
This is Pirecua, age 11.
这是 Pirecua，11 岁。
Pirecua So I wanted another animal that is, like, fuzzy, and it walks around.
Pirecua 所以我想要另一种动物，它是毛茸茸的，而且它会四处走动。
You know, I'm not really a pet sort of person.
你知道，我并不是一个真正喜欢宠物的人。
I think she knew she couldn't get a dog, basically.
我想她基本上知道她养不到狗。
This is Linda, her mom.
这是琳达，她的妈妈。
Linda is a reporter here at WBEZ, the station that our program comes from.
琳达是 WBEZ 的记者，我们的节目来自该电台。
So a guinea pig was, I think, something she felt she could actually ask for.
所以我认为，她觉得她实际上可以要求一只豚鼠。
You know, that's the second place, I guess.
你知道，我猜那是第二位。
It's still fuzzy and walks around.
它仍然模糊并四处走动。
Linda's husband is Mexican.
琳达的丈夫是墨西哥人。
And the kids lived in Mexico when they were smaller.
孩子们小的时候住在墨西哥。
So they don't write to Santa to ask for what they want.
所以他们不会写信给圣诞老人询问他们想要什么。
The Mexican tradition at Christmas is to write to the three kings.
墨西哥圣诞节的传统是给三位国王写信。
So she wrote this letter to the three kings.
于是她给三位国王写了这封信。
And-- do you want me to read it?
还有——你想让我读一下吗？
All right.
好的。
It says, [SPEAKING SPANISH].
它说，[说西班牙语]。
She says, like, dear three kings, I hope you're doing very well.
她说，亲爱的三位国王，我希望你们一切都好。
I hope you're well.
我希望你一切都好。
[SPEAKING SPANISH].
[说西班牙语]。
She says, this year, I was thinking of asking for a guinea pig.
她说，今年，我想要一只豚鼠。
And then she writes-- she has, like, an arrow.
然后她写道——她有一支箭。
It's like an afterthought.
这就像事后的想法。
She wrote, a real one.
她写的，是真实的。
[SPANISH].
[西班牙语]。
Then she goes on and asks for some other things.
然后她继续要求一些其他的事情。
But what she really wanted-- I mean, has this whole list of things.
但她真正想要的——我的意思是，有这完整的清单。
But honestly, I don't ever remember her talking about anything else except the guinea pig.
但老实说，我不记得她除了豚鼠之外谈论过任何其他事情。
So, comes the big morning.
于是，重要的早晨到来了。
This was two years ago.
这是两年前的事了。
Pirecua was just nine.
皮雷库阿只有九岁。
The three kings did, in fact, bring her a guinea pig.
事实上，三位国王确实给她带来了一只豚鼠。
And, of course, she was thrilled.
当然，她很兴奋。
She named it Luna.
她给它起名叫卢娜。
The guinea pig was in her arms, and it was running around her bed.
豚鼠在她怀里，在她的床边跑来跑去。
And she was just in love.
而她只是恋爱了。
Well, that lasted about an hour before I just noticed she was scratching her forearms a lot.
嗯，这种情况持续了大约一个小时，我才注意到她经常抓挠前臂。
And she said that they were, like, hives.
她说它们就像荨麻疹。
I was allergic to my guinea pig.
我对我的豚鼠过敏。
She was completely scared that I would give the guinea pig away immediately.
她完全害怕我会立即把豚鼠送人。
And I think her one goal was to keep the guinea pig.
我认为她的目标之一就是保留这只小白鼠。
So she definitely did not complain about the hives.
所以她绝对没有抱怨荨麻疹。
They were big red blotches, the size of silver dollars.
它们是银元大小的红色大斑点。
Pirecua, however, would not be deterred.
然而，皮雷库亚并没有被吓倒。
She still held it.
她还握着它。
She tried for a while.
她尝试了一段时间。
I was like, maybe if you cover yourself up.
我当时想，也许你把自己掩盖起来。
So what she started doing was she would put on this full face mask that she usually used on the coldest days in Chicago.
所以她开始做的是戴上她通常在芝加哥最冷的日子里使用的全面罩。
It was black.
它是黑色的。
All you could see were her eyes.
你能看到的只有她的眼睛。
Linda showed me a photo of the full get up.
琳达给我看了一张完整起床的照片。
You can see it on our website.
您可以在我们的网站上看到它。
She basically looks like a Zapatista rebel.
她基本上看起来像一个萨帕塔叛军。
She's got a long sleeve shirt.
她有一件长袖衬衫。
She's got her winter gloves on.
她戴上了冬天的手套。
And in the winter gloves, there's the little guinea pig peeking out from her hands.
在冬天的手套里，有一只小豚鼠从她的手中探出头来。
Meanwhile, paper towels stick out several inches from the gloves.
与此同时，纸巾从手套伸出几英寸。
So that there's absolutely no gap between her long-sleeve shirt and the gloves.
这样她的长袖衬衫和手套之间绝对没有缝隙。
With a cute guinea pig.
和一只可爱的豚鼠。
Ira Glass With a cute guinea pig.
艾拉·格拉斯和一只可爱的豚鼠。
Exactly.
确切地。
It looks like she's taken the guinea pig hostage or something.
看起来她把豚鼠劫为人质什么的。
Pirecua is devoted to Luna, still.
皮雷库（Pirecua）仍然忠于卢娜（Luna）。
Lets it run around her room.
让它在她的房间里跑来跑去。
Makes sure it's fed.
确保它吃饱了。
In third grade, she had a photo of Luna that she pasted onto a little hand-drawn, cardboard frame with a little cardboard leg that she would prop up on her desk at the beginning of every school day facing her.
三年级时，她有一张卢娜的照片，她把它贴在一个手绘的小纸板框架上，框架上有一条小纸板腿，每天开始上课时，她都会把它放在桌子上，面对着她。
But it just feels a little weird, because she can't pick it up or hold it or even really pet it.
但这感觉有点奇怪，因为她无法拿起或握住它，甚至无法真正抚摸它。
So it's kind of like all the reasons you'd want a guinea pig, she can't have those.
所以这有点像你想要一只豚鼠的所有原因，她不能拥有这些。
All a parent wants to do this time of year is make a nice Christmas for their kids.
每年这个时候，父母想做的就是为孩子们度过一个美好的圣诞节。
Linda does not even like pets, isn't crazy about having animals in the house.
琳达甚至不喜欢宠物，也不热衷于在家里养动物。
But the three kings brought a guinea pig, just like they brought her son something that she and her husband told him that they would never buy him themselves-- a video game system, a PlayStation 3.
但这三位国王带来了一只小白鼠，就像他们给她儿子带来了她和她丈夫告诉他的东西，他们自己永远不会给他买一样——一个视频游戏系统，一个PlayStation 3。
The three kings is-- they do test.
三位国王是——他们进行测试。
They have tested me.
他们已经考验了我。
They test parents, I think.
我认为他们考验的是父母。
And not just parents.
不仅仅是父母。
Linda asked Pirecua on tape, did the three kings know she was allergic when they brought her that gift?
琳达在录音中问皮雷库亚，三位国王给她送礼物时是否知道她过敏？
Pirecua told her she had never even considered the question.
皮雷夸告诉她，她从未考虑过这个问题。
But aren't they supposed to be [SPANISH], like wise men?
但他们不应该是[西班牙语]，就像智者一样吗？
Like, if they did know that you were going to be allergic to Luna, why do you think they still brought her for you?
就像，如果他们确实知道你会对卢娜过敏，你认为为什么他们仍然把她带来给你？
Well, they would probably also know that I would love her even if I did have allergies.
好吧，他们可能也会知道即使我确实有过敏症，我也会爱她。
And the three wise men made the right call.
三位智者做出了正确的决定。
Today on our radio program, in these last few frantic preparatory days before the holiday, we have stories of parents and others trying to make the holiday incredible for the people that they love, Going to great and ridiculous lengths involving live animals, a deer, a sled, ancient reindeer bones, which lead only sometimes to the most magical Christmases.
今天，在我们的广播节目中，在假期前的最后几天疯狂的准备工作中，我们听到了父母和其他人的故事，他们试图让他们所爱的人度过一个不可思议的假期，他们不遗余力地涉及活体动物、鹿、雪橇、古老的驯鹿骨头，有时这些只会带来最神奇的圣诞节。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
这是来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Christmas in 3D.
第一幕，3D 圣诞节。
We all learn at some point that our parents make mistakes.
我们都会在某个时候了解到我们的父母会犯错误。
And that can even-- and I know this will be a shock-- make them when they are trying their hardest at Christmas.
这甚至可以——我知道这会令人震惊——让他们在圣诞节尽最大努力时感到震惊。
Maya Gurantz tells the story.
玛雅·古兰兹讲述了这个故事。
A quick warning for people listening with young children, this is a story about one family's Santa Claus traditions, which may not be the same as yours.
对于那些带着小孩一起听的人来说，这是一个关于一个家庭圣诞老人传统的故事，这可能与你的不一样。
Here's Maya.
这是玛雅。
My friend, Colin Mutchler, is 36.
我的朋友科林·穆奇勒 (Colin Mutchler) 36 岁。
And to this day, he talks about his Christmases as a kid.
直到今天，他还在谈论他小时候的圣诞节。
That's because his parents were determined to make the magic of Christmas come alive for their three kids, Colin, Adam, and Erica.
这是因为他的父母决心让他们的三个孩子科林、亚当和艾丽卡感受到圣诞节的魔力。
But they went further than any parents I know.
但他们比我认识的任何父母都走得更远。
They wanted it to be real-- really real.
他们希望它是真实的——非常真实。
This wasn't an airbrushed, ho, ho, ho Christmas, but a darker, grittier one.
这不是一个经过喷枪修饰的圣诞节，而是一个更黑暗、更坚韧的圣诞节。
Like that one year when Colin was seven and his dad sent him to the garage for some firewood.
就像科林七岁时的那一年，他的父亲把他送到车库去拿一些柴火。
And I heard some bells.
我听到了一些铃声。
And it kind of freaked me out.
这让我有点害怕。
And so I ran inside, and I was like, oh my god, you guys.
于是我跑了进去，心想，天哪，你们这些家伙。
I swear I heard some bells.
我发誓我听到了铃声。
And my dad was like, no way.
我爸爸的反应是，不可能。
Really?
真的吗？
And so we went back slowly outside.
于是我们慢慢地回到外面。
And basically, we found this older man.
基本上，我们找到了这个老人。
Colin's younger brother Adam was there too.
科林的弟弟亚当也在场。
This man had fallen in the backyard and slipped on the ice.
这个人在后院摔倒并在冰上滑倒。
I was so young that it was like, who is this crazy man in our backyard?
我当时太年轻了，就想，我们后院这个疯子是谁？
And I sort of, are you OK?
我有点想，你还好吗？
Are you OK?
你还好吗？
And they brought him inside.
他们把他带了进去。
He was wearing a very old, rundown, weathered jacket.
他穿着一件非常旧、破旧、饱经风霜的夹克。
He said he had windburn.
他说他有风烧伤。
And could you dim the lights?
你能把灯调暗吗？
I've got snow blindness, you know, from the time in the North Pole.
你知道，我从北极起就患有雪盲症。
And there's a certain amount of glare that I can't deal with.
还有一定程度的眩光是我无法应对的。
So we dim the lights.
所以我们把灯调暗。
He talked in a very soft-spoken-- not a whisper but where he talked quietly enough that the whole room was silent, and you had to kind of lean in.
他说话的声音非常轻——不是耳语，而是他说话的声音足够小，以至于整个房间都很安静，你不得不靠过来。
And it was that sort of weird, intimate sort of-- you're just immersed in whatever he was saying.
这是一种奇怪的、亲密的感觉——你只是沉浸在他所说的一切之中。
And he basically said, I'm Kris Kringle.
他基本上说，我是克里斯·克林格尔。
Adam was four.
亚当四岁。
And he says this is his earliest memory of Christmas.
他说这是他对圣诞节最早的记忆。
All the Mutchler kids have memories like this, probably because they talked about it all the time when they were little.
所有穆奇勒家的孩子都有这样的记忆，可能是因为他们小时候一直在谈论这件事。
Colin and Adam didn't think there was just one Santa Claus living at the North Pole.
科林和亚当不认为北极只有一个圣诞老人。
The Mutchler family had their own mythology with its own logic.
穆奇勒家族有自己的神话和逻辑。
There wasn't just one Santa but a network of Santas all working together as Christmas helpers.
圣诞老人不只是一个，而是一个由圣诞老人组成的网络，他们一起作为圣诞节的帮手。
Kris Kringle was just one of them, a working man's Santa.
克里斯·克林格尔只是其中之一，是工人阶级的圣诞老人。
And just like a guy on a night shift from hell, he was exhausted.
就像一个从地狱上夜班的人一样，他筋疲力尽。
We kind of were almost helping him.
我们几乎是在帮助他。
The dynamic was such that it was like he was in a rough place, and we were trying to help him.
他的动态就像是在一个艰难的地方，我们正在努力帮助他。
And so I think we talked with him for a bit and then put him on his way.
所以我想我们和他聊了一会儿然后就让他上路了。
Visitors like Kris appeared every couple of years or so in the band of woods dividing their house in Harrington Park, New Jersey from a nearby golf course.
像克里斯这样的游客每隔几年就会出现在新泽西州哈林顿公园他们的房子与附近高尔夫球场之间的树林中。
Never the same guy, never in exactly the same place.
从来不是同一个人，从来都不是在同一个地方。
They'd be disheveled, bearded and hoarse-voiced, abandoned by their skittish and surprisingly losable reindeer, and searching for the Mutchlers, whose home address they never quite figured out.
他们衣冠不整，留着胡须，声音嘶哑，被易怒的、令人惊讶的迷失的驯鹿抛弃，去寻找穆奇勒一家，但他们从来没有完全弄清楚他们的家庭住址。
The Mutchlers also had a family elf, Jeko, who the kids never saw, but who apparently lived in the attic for a few weeks before Christmas.
穆奇勒夫妇还有一个家庭小精灵杰科，孩子们从未见过他，但圣诞节前他显然在阁楼里住了几周。
The kids would hear noises coming from upstairs-- hammering, walking.
孩子们会听到楼上传来敲击声、行走声。
And when Christmas was over, they'd find wood scraps in the attic from the gifts he'd made for them, proof that Jeko had been there.
圣诞节结束后，他们会在阁楼里找到他为他们做的礼物的木屑，证明杰科来过那里。
Both their father and grandfather grew up with Jeko.
他们的父亲和祖父都是和杰科一起长大的。
Their grandfather, especially, loved to tell scary stories about how mean Jeko could be.
他们的祖父尤其喜欢讲杰科有多么卑鄙的可怕故事。
And so every Christmas, the family spent hours combing over the details of Jeko and their visitors, comparing them to previous Christmases, anticipating the next.
因此，每年圣诞节，一家人都会花几个小时梳理杰科和访客的细节，将他们与之前的圣诞节进行比较，并预测下一个圣诞节。
When you ask the Mutchler kids which Christmas visitor was the one who outdid the rest, there's no question.
当你问穆奇勒家的孩子们，哪一位圣诞节访客比其他人表现更好时，答案是毫无疑问的。
Christmas Eve 1984.
1984 年圣诞节前夕。
Colin was eight.
科林八岁。
Adam was five.
亚当五岁。
Erica was two.
艾丽卡两岁了。
The family was out taking their usual walk.
一家人像往常一样出去散步。
And on this night they went down to the golf course.
这天晚上，他们去了高尔夫球场。
It was foggy and dark.
天雾蒙蒙，漆黑一片。
Here's Adam.
这是亚当。
And then in the distance, we see this silhouette of a shadow scampering from tree to tree-- and it's a golf course, so it's open, wide spaces-- and looking like they don't want us to know that they're there.
然后在远处，我们看到一个影子的轮廓从一棵树跳到另一棵树——这是一个高尔夫球场，所以它是开放的、广阔的空间——看起来他们不想让我们知道他们在那里。
And my dad says, lets go find out who that is.
我爸爸说，我们去看看那人是谁。
As so we start walking faster to try to catch up with this guy.
于是我们开始加快脚步，试图追上这个家伙。
When we come upon him, he's in this very worn, dirty Santa Claus suit that's kind of this greenish brown tint.
当我们见到他时，他穿着一套非常破旧、肮脏的圣诞老人套装，颜色是绿棕色的。
And he introduces himself as Klaus Hoffer.
他介绍自己为克劳斯·霍弗。
And he's one of many sort of the Santa Claus incarnations.
他是圣诞老人的多种化身之一。
And I don't know if he goes into a full explanation, but he definitely explains that-- I think we mentioned Kris Kringle.
我不知道他是否进行了完整的解释，但他确实解释了这一点——我想我们提到了克里斯·克林格尔。
And it's like, oh yeah, I know Kris.
就像，哦，是的，我认识克里斯。
Klaus had a worn sack and began pulling out presents.
克劳斯的袋子已经破旧了，他开始拿出礼物。
But the presents were very odd.
但礼物却很奇怪。
There was vegetables, a head of broccoli, an onion.
有蔬菜、一棵西兰花、一个洋葱。
And then he also, I think, gave us some bones.
然后我想他也给了我们一些骨头。
And that sort of comes to the most important thing is he broke out one bone in particular.
最重要的是他折断了一根骨头。
And he said, this is one of the bones from the original Rudolph.
他说，这是原版鲁道夫的骨头之一。
I use it to call the reindeer.
我用它来召唤驯鹿。
Again, here's Colin and their sister, Erica.
这是科林和他们的妹妹艾丽卡。
And literally when he broke out bones and started blowing on them, we were like, oh my god.
从字面上看，当他打碎骨头并开始对着它们吹气时，我们就像，天哪。
This is crazy.
这太疯狂了。
It made no noise.
它没有发出任何声音。
We couldn't hear it.
我们听不到。
But he said it was a pitch that only the reindeer could hear.
但他说这是只有驯鹿才能听到的音调。
And when he talked about Rudolph, it wasn't like, (SINGING) Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.
当他谈到鲁道夫时，它不像，（唱歌）红鼻子驯鹿鲁道夫。
It was like he kind of was honoring the history of Rudolph as some reindeer that they all honored.
就好像他在尊重鲁道夫的历史，就像他们都尊重的驯鹿一样。
And the fact that he had some of these bones of Rudolph and was using them to call to the reindeer just-- it made sense to us.
事实上，他有一些鲁道夫的骨头，并用它们来召唤驯鹿——这对我们来说是有道理的。
It was like, that makes sense.
就像，这是有道理的。
The details were perfectly calibrated, as only people who know you as well as your parents can get just right.
细节经过完美校准，因为只有像你父母一样了解你的人才能做到恰到好处。
Here's Adam.
这是亚当。
And that's when it got kind of scary.
就在那时，事情变得有点可怕了。
He offered all of the kids.
他提供了所有的孩子。
And he said, I can only invite the kids.
他说，我只能邀请孩子们。
But do you guys want to come on the sleigh?
但是你们想坐雪橇来吗？
Do you want to come to the North Pole with me?
你想和我一起去北极吗？
And we just sat there, frozen.
我们就坐在那里，一动不动。
Wow.
哇。
I could say yes.
我可以说是的。
The answer is no. The truth is when some old man that you just met in the dark golf course on Christmas Eve actually asks me and my brother and my sister if we want to go with him somewhere that we have no idea, while that might be the coolest thing of all time, it might also be the end of life as I know it.
答案是否定的。事实是，当平安夜你刚刚在黑暗的高尔夫球场遇到的某个老人实际上问我和我的兄弟姐妹是否想和他一起去某个我们不知道的地方时，虽然这可能是有史以来最酷的事情，但据我所知，这也可能是生命的终结。
Again Erica, who, remember, was two at the time.
埃丽卡又来了，记得，她当时才两岁。
I remember screaming and not wanting to go.
我记得我尖叫着，不想走。
I was just terrified.
我只是很害怕。
Actually, that invitation to the North Pole, that never happened-- at least not the way they remember it.
事实上，那次去北极的邀请从未发生过——至少不是他们记忆中的那样。
This is a recording from that Christmas Eve in 1984.
这是 1984 年圣诞节前夕的录音。
Erica, Adam, and Colin had just come back from meeting Klaus.
艾丽卡、亚当和科林刚刚与克劳斯会面回来。
On the recording, the kids seem happy and hopped up on adrenalin.
在录音中，孩子们看起来很高兴，肾上腺素飙升。
They talk about Klaus but in the entire recording never mention any invitation to the North Pole.
他们谈论克劳斯，但在整个录音中从未提及任何前往北极的邀请。
What you hear instead is the grandfather suggesting, how would you like it if he had asked you to the North Pole?
相反，你听到的是祖父在暗示，如果他邀请你去北极，你会怎么样？
Then their father, Glenn, jumps in.
然后他们的父亲格伦介入了。
Look, you guys could have asked, and he would have taken you.
听着，你们本来可以问，他就会带你们去。
I had a feeling he would be willing to take somebody for a short trip.
我有预感他会愿意带某人去一次短途旅行。
They were scared.
他们很害怕。
Child I was scared, too.
孩子，我也害怕。
Behold, the power of suggestion.
看吧，建议的力量。
That's how it seemed like a lot of it worked-- the Mutchler parents making suggestions and adding details and then retelling it all year after year.
这看起来就是很多事情的运作方式——穆奇勒的父母提出建议，添加细节，然后年复一年地重述。
Christmas was a big topic of conversation, and the Mutchler parents encouraged their kids with the most exciting versions of what happened on those nights, to the point where the stories gained an unstoppable momentum.
圣诞节是人们谈论的一大话题，穆奇勒的父母用那些夜晚发生的最激动人心的版本来鼓励孩子们，以至于这些故事获得了不可阻挡的动力。
As the Mutchler kids got older, things, as they do, changed.
随着穆奇勒家的孩子长大，事情也发生了变化。
Each of the kids dealt with it differently.
每个孩子的处理方式都不同。
Both Colin and Erica say they knew at a certain point to not talk about Jeko and the others to people outside their closest circles.
科林和艾丽卡都表示，他们在某种程度上知道不要向最亲近的圈子之外的人谈论杰科和其他人。
But Adam didn't get that-- at all.
但亚当根本不明白。
Adam loved to tell a good story.
亚当喜欢讲好故事。
He couldn't not tell this one.
这件事他不能不说。
And he believed wholeheartedly in his experiences-- even as a teenager, in public school, in New Jersey.
他全心全意地相信自己的经历——即使是十几岁的时候，在新泽西州的公立学校。
And it had consequences.
它产生了后果。
When Adam was in fifth grade, he defended his stories about Klaus and Kris and the rest in front of his whole class.
当亚当五年级时，他在全班面前为自己关于克劳斯和克里斯以及其他故事的故事辩护。
It got so confrontational, with Adam telling the whole group how wrong they were, that the teacher ended up calling Adam's parents, telling them it had almost started a fight, and asking them to please tell Adam to stop talking about it.
事情变得如此对抗，亚当告诉全班同学他们错了，老师最终打电话给亚当的父母，告诉他们这几乎引发了一场争吵，并要求他们告诉亚当不要再谈论这件事。
Adam remembers many arguments like this well into middle school.
亚当在中学时还记得很多类似的争论。
People would call him an idiot or weird.
人们会称他为白痴或怪人。
And he would insist that these events were true.
他会坚持认为这些事件是真实的。
He was there.
他就在那儿。
It was real.
这是真的。
You guys are crazy, not me.
你们疯了，不是我。
The next year, sixth grade, Adam was at his grandparents' house at Christmastime when his great aunt Blanche made some offhanded comment about which uncle played what part what year back when they were kids.
第二年，六年级，圣诞节期间，亚当在祖父母家，当时他的姨婆布兰奇随口评论了他们小时候哪位叔叔扮演了什么角色。
Adam walked himself through the logic of what she was saying.
亚当自己梳理了她所说的话的逻辑。
And he knew right then that his parents had lied to him.
那时他就知道他的父母对他撒了谎。
Not only did they lie to me.
他们不仅骗了我。
It was, you know, 13 years old.
那是，你知道，13岁。
I had to deal with that as a social thing that I had done.
我必须将其视为我所做的一件社交事情。
I had defended myself and told these stories.
我为自己辩护并讲述了这些故事。
In front of lots of people.
当着很多人的面。
Adam Mutchler Lots of people.
亚当·穆奇勒 很多人。
And to know that my parents were sort of responsible for allowing me to perpetuate something that made me a liar and a laughingstock.
要知道我的父母对允许我继续做一些让我成为骗子和笑柄的事情负有某种责任。
You were embarrassed.
你很尴尬。
Adam Mutchler I was very embarrassed.
亚当·穆奇勒 我感到非常尴尬。
Adam felt betrayed and was angry about it for years.
亚当感到自己被背叛了，并对此感到愤怒多年。
One year, he came home from college and accused his parents for being the reason he couldn't trust anyone enough to have a serious girlfriend.
有一年，他大学毕业回家，指责父母是他无法信任任何人、无法拥有一个认真女朋友的原因。
Not too different from the sorts of speeches lots of kids make to their parents at that age.
与许多孩子在那个年龄段对父母发表的讲话没有太大不同。
Except it was about Santa.
但它是关于圣诞老人的。
Even he admits it was pretty extreme.
就连他也承认这是相当极端的。
So this one thing made you feel like you couldn't trust your parents, even though they were trustworthy parents.
所以这件事让你觉得你不能相信你的父母，即使他们是值得信赖的父母。
Well, for me, it was the intricacy and the planning of, like, you spent 7 years or 10 years perpetrating a lie that was so deep and complex.
嗯，对我来说，这是错综复杂的，是你花了 7 年或 10 年的时间来编造一个如此深刻和复杂的谎言的错综复杂的计划。
Like whether it was hiring people, vintage suits, hunting people through the golf course and through the woods.
就像是在招聘人员、穿着老式西装、在高尔夫球场和树林里猎捕人一样。
What are you, insane?
你怎么了，疯了吗？
Like, this is diabolical.
就像，这太邪恶了。
For me, there was a big breakdown in the way I trusted people in my life that actually, I think it carried on into my adult life.
对我来说，我对生活中的人的信任方式发生了很大的崩溃，实际上，我认为这种情况一直持续到我的成年生活中。
And even to this day, I don't 100% trust anyone anymore.
即使到了今天，我也不再百分百信任任何人。
Adam's 33 and can laugh about most of this now.
亚当已经 33 岁了，现在大部分事情都能一笑置之。
He sees what was great about what his parents did at Christmas.
他看到了父母在圣诞节所做的伟大的事情。
But he won't be doing anything like it, he says, when he has his own kids.
但他说，当他有了自己的孩子时，他不会做这样的事情。
And because of the way he reacted as a teenager, these childhood Christmases are still a touchy subject in this family.
由于他青少年时期的反应方式，童年的圣诞节在这个家庭中仍然是一个敏感的话题。
When they talk about it, everybody's careful to keep things upbeat.
当他们谈论这件事时，每个人都小心翼翼地保持乐观的态度。
I wondered if the parents had any regrets for how they handled it.
我想知道父母是否对他们的处理方式感到后悔。
So I went to meet the Mutchlers.
所以我去见了穆奇勒夫妇。
Oh, you know my two boys.
哦，你认识我的两个儿子。
Maya Gurantz I do, I do.
玛雅·古兰兹 我愿意，我愿意。
Glenn and Laurie Mutchler live on a beautiful, quiet street.
格伦·穆奇勒 (Glenn Mutchler) 和劳里·穆奇勒 (Laurie Mutchler) 住在一条美丽、安静的街道上。
It's the kind of place where deer wander through the yards.
这是鹿在院子里漫步的地方。
A giant wreath hangs off the top the Mutchlers' beige clapboard house.
穆奇勒夫妇的米色隔板房顶上悬挂着一个巨大的花环。
Christmas lights twinkle inside and outside.
圣诞灯在室内外闪烁。
We sit in the living room, where the mantle has been turned into an altar crowded with an assortment of spiritual icons-- Buddhas, Vishnu, a ceramic bust of Jesus, and two different portraits of Jerry Garcia.
我们坐在客厅里，那里的地幔已经变成了一个祭坛，里面摆满了各种各样的精神偶像——佛陀、毗湿奴、耶稣的陶瓷半身像和杰里·加西亚的两幅不同的肖像。
I was a hippie and did the whole nine yards, Glenn told me, on the West Coast in the '70s.
格伦告诉我，我是个嬉皮士，在 70 年代的西海岸跑了整整九码。
Though he doesn't like the word hippie-- thinks it's come to connote laziness, and he's anything but.
尽管他不喜欢“嬉皮士”这个词——认为这个词意味着懒惰，但他绝对不是。
We started talking about the elaborate Christmases the Mutchlers used to have for their kids.
我们开始谈论穆奇勒夫妇过去为孩子们精心准备的圣诞节。
And I asked Laurie.
我问劳里。
Well, I-- as we were talking about this--
嗯，我——当我们谈论这个的时候——
That's the cynic.
这就是愤世嫉俗者。
Laurie Mutchler I am going to talk now.
劳里·穆奇勒（Laurie Mutchler）我现在要讲话。
Listen to this.
听听这个。
Laurie Mutchler No, no, no. I want to talk.
劳里·穆奇勒 不，不，不。我想谈谈。
I don't know if you caught that, but he called me a cynic.
我不知道你是否明白，但他称我为愤世嫉俗者。
You know, I'm not a cynic.
你知道，我不是一个愤世嫉俗者。
We're just so excited about how you pulled this off.
我们对您的成功感到非常兴奋。
There is no pulling off.
没有拉断。
Something happened.
发生了一些事情。
People had an experience.
人们有过经历。
And then you have this thought called, somebody pulled something off.
然后你就会有这样的想法，有人成功了。
I wasn't prepared for this.
我对此没有准备。
Decades after these Christmases, Glenn was refusing to admit he had anything to do with creating them.
这些圣诞节几十年后，格伦拒绝承认他与创造这些圣诞节有任何关系。
So the conjecture and all that stuff would really undermine the magic.
所以猜想和所有这些东西确实会破坏魔法。
In fact, all the details, as you called them, the mechanics, or as you put, how'd you pull it off?
事实上，所有的细节，正如你所说的，机制，或者正如你所说，你是如何实现的？
It happened.
它发生了。
That's the magic, and that's the secret.
这就是魔力，这就是秘密。
We went back and forth about this for more than 10 minutes.
我们就这个问题来来回回了10多分钟。
Here's my producer, Robyn, having a go at it.
我的制作人罗宾正在尝试一下。
It would help to know if that's just, like, an impossible thing for us ask.
了解这是否对我们来说是一件不可能的事情会有所帮助。
Because we have some questions about how it works.
因为我们对其如何运作有一些疑问。
And I just-- I'm wondering if we could--
我只是——我想知道我们是否可以——
You could make something up.
你可以编造一些东西。
You could hypothesize.
你可以假设。
But that's you.
但那就是你。
Because the magic's too powerful.
因为魔法太强大了。
And did they have any regrets about when their kids learned the truth?
当他们的孩子得知真相后，他们有后悔吗？
I asked Glenn and Laurie about the time that Adam fought with his fifth grade class about the Mutchler Christmas stories.
我问格伦和劳里，有一次亚当和他的五年级班级就穆奇勒圣诞故事发生争执。
It seemed like it would have been a perfect moment to come clean.
这似乎是坦白的完美时刻。
They said after the school called them, they did talk to Adam.
他们说，在学校给他们打电话后，他们确实和亚当谈过。
But they didn't tell him he was wrong.
但他们没有告诉他他错了。
They didn't tell him the truth.
他们没有告诉他真相。
If anything, they encouraged him to believe the stories were real, saying, I was there.
如果说有什么不同的话，那就是他们鼓励他相信这些故事是真实的，并说，我就在那里。
You were there.
你当时就在那里。
Their only parental advice was, be more private about it.
他们唯一的父母建议是，保持私密性。
Stop talking about it at school.
别再在学校谈论这件事了。
Though Laurie did come to worry that they should have handled it differently.
尽管劳里确实开始担心他们应该采取不同的处理方式。
I think for me, I did really start to question whether we should be making such a big deal about it.
我想对我来说，我确实开始质疑我们是否应该对此大惊小怪。
And I wanted to stop doing it.
我想停止这样做。
It definitely happened in my mind.
这肯定发生在我的脑海里。
I did.
我做到了。
And as you can tell, Glenn's a very powerful force in our family.
正如你所知，格伦是我们家庭中非常强大的力量。
Yeah, he is.
是的，他是。
And even before this interview, it was sort of like, you set up the ground rules about how we were going to have the interview.
甚至在这次采访之前，你就已经制定了关于我们如何进行采访的基本规则。
They're going to ask us, and we're not going to tell, right?
他们会问我们，而我们不会告诉，对吧？
Both Glenn and Laurie say they tried to make it right for Adam.
格伦和劳里都表示，他们试图为亚当做正确的事。
They had no idea how betrayed he felt until later.
直到后来，他们才知道他感受到了多么强烈的背叛。
Laurie says for a while, she didn't know what to do.
劳里说，有一段时间，她不知道该怎么办。
We talked about it a lot.
我们谈了很多。
We talked about the magic and the wanting it to-- Adam can you see?
我们讨论了魔法以及想要它的愿望——亚当，你能看到吗？
Can you find a place where you see where it all came from?
你能找到一个可以看到这一切的来源的地方吗？
It all came from good.
这一切都源于美好。
It didn't come from lying.
这不是来自说谎。
It didn't come from tricking.
它不是来自欺骗。
We are not bad parents because we did that.
我们不是坏父母，因为我们这样做了。
Finally, Laurie tells me this story.
最后，劳里给我讲了这个故事。
It's an important one for her.
这对她来说很重要。
And before she starts, she says she knows Glenn doesn't want her to tell it.
在开始之前，她说她知道格伦不想让她说出来。
But that's not going to stop her.
但这并不能阻止她。
One Christmas Eve, when Adam was in junior high school, Laurie went to his bedroom.
一个平安夜，当亚当上初中时，劳里去了他的卧室。
And I was giving him a good night kiss and hug and Merry Christmas.
我给了他一个晚安吻和拥抱，祝他圣诞快乐。
And he looked me straight in the eyes, and he said, you've got to tell me the truth.
他直视着我的眼睛，说，你必须告诉我真相。
Your son is looking you right in the eyes saying, you've got to tell me the truth.
你儿子直视着你的眼睛说，你必须告诉我真相。
Were those real?
那些是真的吗？
Did Santa really visit us?
圣诞老人真的来拜访我们了吗？
And in the back of my mind, it was Glenn's voice going, you never tell.
在我的脑海里，格伦的声音在回响，你永远也说不出来。
You never tell.
你永远不会告诉。
The magic, the magic.
魔法，魔法。
And I spewed all this magic.
我喷出了所有这些魔法。
And it's the magic.
这就是魔力。
And it's the spirit.
这就是精神。
And I went on and on.
我继续说下去。
And he would not let it down.
他不会失望的。
He just said, stop it.
他只是说，别说了。
Don't talk about that stuff.
别说那些事了。
Glenn talks about that stuff.
格伦谈到了那些事情。
You'll tell me the truth.
你会告诉我真相。
Tell me the truth.
告诉我真相。
And I don't even know what I exactly said.
而且我什至不知道我到底说了什么。
But I did let him know that it wasn't real.
但我确实让他知道这不是真的。
And we just cried, the two of us.
我们两个人都哭了。
And it was really sad.
这真的很悲伤。
Because then over the years, when he did say later-- when he said, I can't believe that that was a parenting decision that you made, that you went to that extreme-- it just hurt him.
因为多年来，当他后来说——当他说，我不敢相信这是你做出的养育决定，你走向了那么极端——这只是伤害了他。
And it was so weird, because Colin and Erica had taken the same wonderful experience and held it as a wonderful experience.
这太奇怪了，因为科林和艾丽卡也经历过同样美妙的经历，并将其视为一次美妙的经历。
No matter what happened or what was real, they could hold it as just a magical, wonderful moment.
无论发生了什么或真实的事情，他们都可以将其视为一个神奇而美妙的时刻。
And he somehow couldn't.
但他却做不到。
And it made me really sad.
这让我非常难过。
Glenn understands that something went wrong with Adam.
格伦明白亚当出了问题。
My experience is like this with kids.
我和孩子的经历就是这样。
You do the best you can.
你尽力而为。
And sometimes you do the right thing.
有时你会做正确的事。
And maybe you do the wrong thing when you thought you did the right thing.
当你认为自己做了正确的事情时，也许你却做了错误的事情。
There's a time when the kids are young and you experience the magic through them.
有时候，孩子们还小，你可以通过他们体验到魔法。
And it's just so special to be around young kids.
和小孩子在一起真是太特别了。
And to be in that-- maybe you cheat a little bit, and you sort of become-- you're living through them.
身处其中——也许你作弊了一点，然后你就变成了——你正在经历它们。
Glenn had been eager from the moment we arrived at his house to take us on a tour of Christmas past.
从我们到达格伦家的那一刻起，格伦就迫不及待地想带我们参观一下过去的圣诞节。
And after our interview, Glenn and Laurie head out with us for a walk.
采访结束后，格伦和劳里和我们一起出去散步。
We go up the street, pass through some trees, and onto the golf course.
我们沿着街道走，穿过一些树林，来到高尔夫球场。
It was darker than I had imagined it would be, barely illuminated by the ambient orange of nearby streetlights.
天比我想象的要暗，几乎没有被附近路灯的橙色环境照亮。
Mist clung to the rolling expanse of grass.
薄雾附着在连绵起伏的草地上。
Then Glenn does what he's clearly been itching to do all night-- gives us the play-by-play from his finest hour, the night Klaus Hoffer came to visit.
然后格伦做了他整晚都渴望做的事情——向我们展示了他最精彩的时刻，即克劳斯·霍弗来访的那天晚上的比赛实况。
Get away.
逃离。
Stay away.
远离。
Who-- who is it?
谁——是谁？
I'm looking for the Mucklers.
我正在寻找穆克勒夫妇。
And then the kids said, no, the Mutchlers?
然后孩子们说，不，穆奇勒一家？
Glenn hunches down and reenacts Klaus Hoffer's disappearance into the distance.
格伦弯下腰，重现了克劳斯·霍弗消失在远处的情景。
He lopes along.
他一路小跑。
He's happy.
他很高兴。
Magic is Glenn's strength and his blind spot.
魔法是格伦的强项，也是他的盲点。
We're all standing there going, oh my god.
我们都站在那里，天哪。
Did that really happen?
这真的发生了吗？
It was like that.
就是这样。
It was perfect.
太完美了。
It was perfect.
太完美了。
Maya Gurantz in Los Angeles.
玛雅·格兰兹在洛杉矶。
Coming up, typecast.
即将到来，类型转换。
Typecast-- do you hear me-- as a reindeer in a Christmas pageant.
角色扮演——你听到了吗——扮演圣诞盛会上的驯鹿。
The tail-twitching injustice of it.
这真是不公平的事情。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show for the holidays, "Lights, Camera, Christmas." Stories of people trying to throw a nice Christmas for those they love.
今天的节日节目“灯光、相机、圣诞节”。人们试图为他们所爱的人度过一个美好的圣诞节的故事。
We have arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经进入了计划的第二幕。
Act Two, Deer in the Footlights.
第二幕，脚下的鹿。
So Connie grew up on this ranch outside of a little town in Utah called Woodruff.
康妮在犹他州伍德拉夫小镇外的牧场长大。
And maybe you've never been to Woodruff.
也许您从未去过伍德拉夫。
It's-- let me tell you about it.
让我告诉你吧。
You'll have to edit this now, because I'm going to say it like I always say it.
你现在必须编辑它，因为我会像往常一样说。
OK.
好的。
Connie Rex You go through town.
康妮·雷克斯 你穿过城镇。
There's a church on the right.
右边有一座教堂。
There's an old school on the left.
左边有一座老学校。
You get down to the crossroads, and there's a half-assed store on one side and the post office on the other side.
你走到十字路口，一侧是一家半途而废的商店，另一侧是邮局。
That's it, the whole town.
就是这样，整个城镇。
Maybe 250 people, she says, maybe fewer.
她说，也许有 250 人，也可能更少。
And the basic facts of her childhood are the kinds of things that lots of little girls only read about in story books.
她童年的基本事实是许多小女孩只能在故事书中读到的东西。
During the summer, Connie and her two sisters, they would get up.
夏天的时候，康妮和她的两个姐妹会起床。
They'd have some food.
他们会有一些食物。
And they would spend the whole day, she says, on their own horses, riding far and wide together.
她说，他们会整天骑着自己的马，一起驰骋远方。
And when they were little, they got a baby deer-- a baby deer of their very own-- who ended up a part of Christmas at their elementary school in a way that, I think, probably very rarely happens with deers and elementary schools and Christmases.
当他们还小的时候，他们养了一只小鹿——一只属于他们自己的小鹿——最后在他们的小学度过了圣诞节，我想，这种情况在鹿、小学和圣诞节中可能很少发生。
So the story that I want you to tell us, I want to know how a deer ended up on the stage as part of your school's Christmas pageant when you were a kid.
所以我想让你告诉我们的故事是，我想知道当你还是个孩子的时候，一只鹿是如何登上舞台的，作为你们学校圣诞游行的一部分。
And I guess you should explain how you even ended up with a deer in the first place.
我想你应该首先解释一下你是如何最终得到一只鹿的。
Do you remember when you first saw the deer?
你还记得第一次看到鹿是什么时候吗？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Yeah.
是的。
We were all on our horses.
我们都骑在马上。
And there was a doe that had just had a baby.
还有一只刚生完孩子的母鹿。
It was, I'd say, maybe two or three days old.
我想说，可能已经有两三天了。
Well, we chased the doe off and took the deer-- took the fawn.
好吧，我们赶走了母鹿并带走了鹿——带走了小鹿。
Did you run off the mom hoping to get the baby?
你是否为了得到孩子而逃离了妈妈？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
And brought it home.
并把它带回家。
Let me tell you what.
让我告诉你什么。
We never done it again, because my dad was really pissed, just livid.
我们再也没有这样做过，因为我爸爸真的很生气，非常生气。
He lit into us like you can't believe.
他对我们的攻击让你难以置信。
And what was his argument?
他的论点是什么？
What was the problem with bringing in this deer?
引进这只鹿有什么问题吗？
Nature should be left to nature.
自然就应该交给自然。
Why did we want to run that deer off, that mother, when she was perfectly capable of raising this fawn and taking care of it?
当那只鹿妈妈完全有能力抚养并照顾这只小鹿时，我们为什么要赶走那只鹿呢？
Why did we-- what give us the right to do with it, to take Mother Nature's course away from them?
为什么我们——是什么赋予我们权利这样做，改变大自然母亲的轨迹？
How big is a fawn when it's that little?
小鹿那么小，能有多大呢？
It is the size of a big dog?
有大狗那么大吗？
I'm trying to picture.
我正在尝试描绘。
Yeah.
是的。
It would be about the size of the big dog, maybe not a real big dog.
它的大小与大狗差不多，也许不是真正的大狗。
And they're light.
而且它们很轻。
It couldn't have weighed any more than, I'm going to say 25, 35 pounds.
它的重量不可能超过 25、35 磅。
And we put it on our horses, put it across the saddle and packed it back to the house.
我们把它放在马背上，放在马鞍上，然后打包回屋里。
Oh, we was tickled.
哦，我们被逗乐了。
We really thought we'd done something good.
我们真的以为我们做了一些好事。
And so you raised it.
所以你提出了它。
How do you feed it?
你怎么喂它？
You put a lamb nipple on the end of a pop bottle, and they suck it.
你把羊奶嘴放在汽水瓶的一端，它们就会吮吸它。
And so we raised him that summer.
所以那年夏天我们抚养了他。
And then, of course, he lost his spots.
然后，当然，他失去了自己的位置。
Did you give it a name?
你给它起名字了吗？
Connie Rex Well, we called him Bambi.
康妮·雷克斯 好吧，我们叫他小鹿斑比。
Very original.
非常原创。
OK.
好的。
Connie Rex Yeah, very original.
康妮雷克斯 是的，非常原创。
So was he a good pet?
那么他是一个好宠物吗？
Connie Rex Oh, yeah, yeah.
康妮雷克斯哦，是的，是的。
He was a lot of fun.
他很有趣。
We never had a collar or anything on him.
我们从来没有给他戴项圈或任何东西。
Never did break him to lead.
从来没有打破他的领导地位。
We just put our hands on his, what we call their withers, where their neck goes right into their shoulders.
我们只是把手放在他的肩上，也就是我们所说的马肩隆，他们的脖子正好伸进肩膀。
And he'd walk by you.
他会从你身边走过。
So we could walk him.
这样我们就可以遛他。
Damn near any place we wanted to go, he'd go.
该死的，我们想去的任何地方他都会去。
So that year, the year we got him, that was the year that they done the play.
所以那一年，我们得到他的那一年，也就是他们完成这部戏的那一年。
And they took a balloon and blew it up about the size of a golf ball and put it on his nose.
他们拿了一个气球，把它吹成高尔夫球大小，然后把它放在他的鼻子上。
And he stood there with this red thing on his nose all during the play.
整场比赛他都站在那儿，鼻子上有这个红色的东西。
And if I remember right, the story just more or less centered around Santa Claus being sad because he couldn't get around.
如果我没记错的话，这个故事或多或少是围绕圣诞老人因为无法出行而感到悲伤的。
Well, it sounds like "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer," where his nose is what guides them.
嗯，听起来就像“红鼻子驯鹿鲁道夫”，他的鼻子引导着他们。
The light from his nose is what guides them to where they need to go.
他鼻子发出的光引导他们到达他们需要去的地方。
I think so.
我想是的。
I think that's what it was.
我想就是这样。
I can remember that the hall was just crowded.
我记得大厅里挤满了人。
Everybody knew that deer was going to be in there.
每个人都知道那里会有鹿。
And so everybody come to watch it.
所以大家都来看。
Oh, really?
哦真的吗？
He was the star attraction of the show?
他是节目中最吸引人的明星？
He brought the crowd?
他带来了人群？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
They still talk about that play.
他们还在谈论那场戏。
I don't think they ever did top that play.
我认为他们从未在这场比赛中表现出色。
How could you?
你怎么可以？
Oh, he was on stage for the whole show.
哦，整个演出他都在舞台上。
He probably stood there for a good two hours.
他大概在那里站了整整两个小时。
So we spent the whole night standing there by the deer.
于是我们整个晚上都站在鹿旁边。
He'd look out in the crowd and look everybody over.
他会在人群中向外张望，审视每个人。
You could see his ears moving back and forth.
你可以看到他的耳朵来回移动。
But we'd pet him or scratch him on the neck.
但我们会抚摸他或抓他的脖子。
What did he do when they applauded?
当他们鼓掌时他做了什么？
I would think that for an animal, that must have been so strange, the noise that would come from that.
我想，对于动物来说，从中发出的噪音一定是很奇怪的。
Nothing.
没有什么。
He stood there.
他站在那里。
That's when he'd wiggle his tail and his ears would go back and forth.
那时他会摆动尾巴，耳朵也会来回摆动。
Now, your dad, who had been against bringing in a wild animal the whole time.
现在，你的父亲，他一直反对引进野生动物。
You remember what his reaction was to the play?
你还记得他对这部戏的反应吗？
I can remember him saying that it was really a nice play, and he was glad that the deer had a part in it.
我记得他说这真是一场精彩的表演，他很高兴鹿参与其中。
But I remember when we started to brand, we just begged dad to let us castrate him, and he wouldn't do it.
但我记得当我们开始做品牌时，我们只是求爸爸让我们阉割他，他不肯这么做。
And as a kid, I just-- oh, I was upset.
当我还是个孩子的时候，我只是——哦，我很沮丧。
Wait, why did you want your dad to castrate him.
等等，你为什么要让你爸爸阉了他。
So he'd stay home.
所以他就待在家里。
It's just like a dog.
它就像一只狗。
You take a dog, and if you've got a male dog, and you don't want that dog to go, I call it, tramping all over the countryside, you castrate him.
你养一只狗，如果你有一只公狗，你不想让那只狗走，我称之为它，在乡村里到处乱跑，你就阉割它。
We knew that if dad had let us castrate him, we would have had him forever.
我们知道，如果爸爸让我们阉割他，我们就会永远拥有他。
But no. So he wouldn't let us castrate him.
但没有。所以他不让我们阉割他。
Over the next year, Bambi grew up, developed antlers.
第二年，小鹿斑比长大了，长出了鹿角。
Connie and her sisters liked to touch the velvet on his antlers, she says.
康妮和她的姐妹们喜欢触摸他鹿角上的天鹅绒，她说。
And Bambi started acting differently.
小鹿斑比开始采取不同的行动。
Sometimes, he'd just wander away for days.
有时，他会一连几天都在外面徘徊。
And when hunting season rolled around, the girls begged their dad to lock up Bambi somewhere on their property.
当狩猎季节到来时，女孩们请求她们的父亲将斑比锁在她们财产的某个地方。
But their dad said, no, that wasn't right.
但他们的父亲说，不，那是不对的。
And they didn't ask twice, she says.
她说，他们没有问两次。
Fortunately, because it was a small town, and especially after the Christmas play, everybody in the valley there knew about Bambi.
幸运的是，因为那是一个小镇，尤其是在圣诞节演出之后，山谷里的每个人都知道小鹿斑比。
The girls would take him into town sometimes in a car.
有时女孩们会开车带他进城。
And people would come up to them on the street and pet him.
人们会在街上走到他们身边并抚摸他。
And they took special precautions during hunting season so everybody would recognize him.
他们在狩猎季节采取了特殊的预防措施，这样每个人都能认出他。
We had a big red scarf on him.
我们给他戴了一条大红领巾。
And then we had a sheep bell, which is just a little smaller than a cow bell.
然后我们有一个羊铃，它只比牛铃小一点。
And we'd painted this sheep bell red.
我们把这个羊铃漆成红色。
And then, of course, when fall come, you know, late fall, why, he took off.
然后，当然，当秋天来临时，你知道，深秋，为什么，他起飞了。
And about 10 miles away, some guy, I guess, they said-- I never did ever talk to the guy, but they said he drove right up to him and shot him.
他们说，大约 10 英里外，有一个人，我猜，我从来没有和那个人说过话，但他们说他径直开到他面前，开枪射杀了他。
Oh, no. No, he wouldn't run.
哦，不。不，他不会跑。
Because he was desensitized.
因为他已经麻木了。
He wasn't afraid of people.
他不怕人。
When the deer was killed, what did your dad say?
当鹿被杀时，你爸爸说什么？
Just told us that that's just the way it was.
只是告诉我们事情就是这样。
And that's what we got for bringing him home.
这就是我们把他带回家的代价。
He told us then, he said, that's what happens when you mess with Mother Nature.
他当时告诉我们，他说，这就是当你扰乱大自然时会发生的事情。
So I guess if there's a moral to the story, you don't mess with something that's wild.
所以我想如果这个故事有寓意的话，你就不会乱搞一些疯狂的事情。
You just leave it be.
你就随它去吧。
Oh, really?
哦真的吗？
Do you think your dad was right?
你觉得你爸爸说得对吗？
I think he was right.
我认为他是对的。
At the time, I didn't.
当时，我没有。
But looking back on it now.
但现在回想起来。
I'm still pissed at that guy that shot him.
我仍然对那个开枪打死他的人很生气。
Oh, sure he did.
哦，当然他做到了。
He'd had to have known.
他一定知道。
Well, in fact, I heard that he did, that he knew.
嗯，事实上，我听说他这么做了，他知道。
I hope he enjoyed eating him.
我希望他吃得开心。
The son of a bitch.
狗娘养的。
You'd better edit that out.
你最好把它编辑掉。
No, I'd like to leave that in.
不，我想把它留在里面。
Is that OK?
可以吗？
No, that's fine.
不，没关系。
Ira Glass I just don't understand how he could shoot him knowing that he was your pet.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：我只是不明白他怎么能在知道他是你的宠物的情况下开枪射击他。
Like he knew you guys, right?
就像他认识你们一样，对吧？
Yeah.
是的。
And you know, thinking back, I would imagine he was probably, what, 19 years old.
你知道，回想起来，我想象他可能，什么，19 岁。
Smart ass teenager is what he was.
聪明的少年就是他。
I can remember we cried.
我记得我们哭了。
Mother cried.
妈妈哭了。
Dad was pissed.
爸爸很生气。
He thought that was pretty low for somebody to do that to an animal, especially when he knew that it was ours.
他认为有人对动物这样做是相当低的，特别是当他知道那是我们的时候。
Did you blame yourselves?
你有责怪自己吗？
Connie Rex Yes.
康妮·雷克斯 是的。
I did.
我做到了。
Yes.
是的。
The end result would have probably been the same.
最终的结果可能是一样的。
But he probably would have lived.
但他可能会活下去。
He'd have probably got another year or two before he'd have got shot.
在他被枪杀之前，他可能还有一两年的时间。
You mean, if you had left him with his mom?
你是说，如果你把他留给他妈妈呢？
Yeah.
是的。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Ira Glass It's funny.
艾拉·格拉斯 这很有趣。
I thought that we were going to have a sweet little sentimental Christmas story here.
我以为我们会在这里讲一个甜蜜感伤的圣诞故事。
But now I feel so sad.
但现在我感到非常难过。
Yeah, it did end up sad.
是的，最后确实很悲伤。
And if I was you, and you was doing the story, I think maybe I'd kind of take a little liberty with it and not burden kids with what happened to him.
如果我是你，而你正在写这个故事，我想也许我会有点自由，不会因为发生在他身上的事情而给孩子们带来负担。
Oh, like it was just a really nice play.
哦，就像这是一场非常精彩的比赛。
And not tell anything that happens afterwards?
然后不告诉任何之后发生的事情？
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass But then if you do that version of the story, then in the argument between you guys and your dad, you win, because everything works out happily ever after.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）但是，如果你按照这个版本演故事，那么在你们和你爸爸之间的争论中，你就赢了，因为从此一切都会幸福快乐。
Well, I think at Christmastime, maybe we should win.
好吧，我想在圣诞节期间，也许我们应该赢。
All right, well let's do take two.
好吧，我们就拿两个吧。
So after the play, what happened to the deer?
那么戏结束后，小鹿怎么样了呢？
Oh, we took him home.
哦，我们带他回家了。
The play was always put on on Christmas Eve.
这出戏总是在平安夜上演。
So we went home.
于是我们就回家了。
Because it would have been, like, 10 o'clock.
因为那时大概是十点钟。
And of course, Santa Claus was going to come.
当然，圣诞老人也会来。
And we was all excited.
我们都很兴奋。
And so in this version of the story, you guys live happily ever after, right?
那么在这个版本的故事中，你们从此过上了幸福的生活，对吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Right.
正确的。
Yeah.
是的。
And then I vividly remember the next morning after, we asked if we could bring him in.
然后我清楚地记得第二天早上，我们问是否可以带他进来。
And Mother and Dad both said yes.
爸爸妈妈都答应了。
So we put a lot of Christmas bows on him.
所以我们给他戴了很多圣诞蝴蝶结。
And we let him stay in the house until he wandered into Mother's plants.
我们让他留在房子里，直到他走进母亲的植物。
And then he had to go out.
然后他不得不出去。
Connie Rex.
康妮·雷克斯。
She's celebrating Christmas at home this year.
今年她在家庆祝圣诞节。
She lives on the ranch where she grew up outside Woodruff, Utah.
她住在犹他州伍德拉夫郊外长大的牧场。
[MUSIC - "BAMBI" BY PRINCE] Act Three: Piddler On the Roof Ira Glass Act Three, Piddler On the Roof.
[音乐 - PRINCE 的“BAMBI”] 第三幕：屋顶上的小贩 Ira Glass 第三幕，屋顶上的小贩。
Right, our last story today of somebody trying to summon a great holiday into existence comes from Ron Carlson.
是的，我们今天最后一个关于某人试图召唤一个美好假期的故事来自罗恩·卡尔森。
A story about a man, his wife, Drew, his daughter, Elise, a sled, a tree, and horse manure.
一个关于一个男人、他的妻子德鲁、他的女儿伊莉丝、一辆雪橇、一棵树和马粪的故事。
Here's Ron Carlson.
请听罗恩·卡尔森的报道。
The audio broadcast of this show included the short fiction story "The H Street Sledding Record" by Ron Carlson.
该节目的音频广播包括罗恩·卡尔森的短篇小说《H 街雪橇记录》。
Copyright 1984 by Ron Carlson.
版权所有 1984，罗恩·卡尔森。
From his story collection A Kind of Flying: Selected Stories by Ron Carlson, published by W.
选自罗恩·卡尔森的故事集《一种飞行：精选故事》，由 W.
W.
W.
Norton Co. Originally published in McCall's.
诺顿公司最初发表于 McCall's。
The story is not included in this transcript since Ron Carlson retains print rights.
由于罗恩·卡尔森保留印刷权，因此该故事未包含在本文字记录中。
Ira Glass Ron Carlson reading a short story-- it's fiction-- called "The H Street Sledding Record." It's from his short story collection, A Kind Of Flying , Selected Stories by Ron Carlson .
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 罗恩·卡尔森 (Ron Carlson) 正在读一篇名为《H 街雪橇记录》的短篇小说（纯属虚构）。这是他的短篇小说集《一种飞行》，罗恩·卡尔森的故事选集。
It originally appeared in McCall's .
它最初出现在麦考尔的 .
[MUSIC - "MERRY CHRISTMAS, BABY" BY VERNON GARETT & SIR STAN & THE COUNTS]
[音乐 - “圣诞快乐，宝贝”，作者：VERNON GARETT、SIR STAN 和伯爵们]
Our program is produced today by Brian Reed and Jonathan Menjivar, with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Sarah Koenig, Miki Meek, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Brian Reed 和 Jonathan Menjivar 以及 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Sarah Koenig、Miki Meek、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 共同制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help from Tarek Fouda.
Tarek Fouda 提供制作帮助。
Seth Lind is our operations director.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的运营总监。
Emily Condon's our production manager.
艾米丽·康登是我们的生产经理。
Elise Bergerson's our administrative assistant.
埃莉斯·伯格森是我们的行政助理。
Music help from Damien Graef and Rob Geddes.
Damien Graef 和 Rob Geddes 提供音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia, one of the most experienced programmers in public broadcasting.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的节目进行 WBEZ 管理监督，他是公共广播领域最有经验的程序员之一。
He knows the ingredients you need for any successful radio show.
他知道任何成功的广播节目所需的要素。
And of course, they are--
当然，他们是——
Vegetables, a head of broccoli, an onion, and one of the bones from the original Rudolph.
蔬菜、西兰花、洋葱和原版鲁道夫的骨头之一。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life .
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
[MUSIC - "MERRY CHRISTMAS, BABY" BY VERNON GARETT & SIR STAN & THE COUNTS]
[音乐 - “圣诞快乐，宝贝”，作者：VERNON GARETT、SIR STAN 和伯爵们]
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。