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Prologue Ira Glass Tuesday, Tucson, Arizona.
序言艾拉·格拉斯星期二，亚利桑那州图森。
How are you feeling?
你感觉怎么样？
Rediet Seifu I'm scared.
Rediet Seifu 我很害怕。
Rediet Seifu moved to the United States from Ethiopia four months ago.
Rediet Seifu 四个月前从埃塞俄比亚搬到美国。
She's learning English.
她正在学习英语。
And once a week, one of her teachers from the City High School in Tuscon, Sarah Bromer, takes her to Ike's coffee shop to practice a simple English conversation.
每周一次，她的一位来自图森城市高中的老师莎拉·布罗默（Sarah Bromer）会带她去艾克的咖啡店练习简单的英语会话。
It goes like this-- Rediet orders tea.
事情是这样的——雷迪特点了茶。
That's it, actually.
事实上就是这样。
That's the whole thing.
这就是全部事情。
Usually, they walk past the door four or five times before she even gets the courage to go inside to do this.
通常，他们要经过门四五次，她才有勇气进去。
And they rehearse beforehand.
而且他们会提前排练。
So she's going to go-- she calls everybody hon.
所以她要走了——她称呼每个人为亲爱的。
Do you know what that means?
你知道这意味着什么吗？
Like honey?
像蜂蜜一样？
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass Today, for the very first time, Ms. Bromer is making Rediet order without her help.
Ira Glass 今天，布罗默女士第一次在没有她帮助的情况下下订单。
She might say, hey, hon, what do you want?
她可能会说，嘿，亲爱的，你想要什么？
Or I bet she'll say, hey, hon, what can I get for you?
或者我打赌她会说，嘿，亲爱的，我能为你买点什么？
You'll say--
你会说——
I would like a tea, please.
请给我一杯茶。
Sarah Bromer And then what if she says, what?
莎拉·布罗默 然后如果她说，什么？
What?
什么？
Pardon me?
对不起？
A tea.
一杯茶。
You confused me.
你让我困惑。
Ira Glass Ms. Bromer's actually teasing Rediet by saying, "What?" She knows that this is Rediet's biggest fear, that people will not understand her, that they're going to say, what?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：布罗默女士实际上是在取笑雷迪特，她说：“什么？”她知道这是雷迪特最大的恐惧，人们不会理解她，他们会说，什么？
What?
什么？
What was that?
那是什么？
Well, that's what you're afraid of, right?
嗯，这就是你所害怕的，对吧？
You confused me.
你让我困惑。
Sarah Bromer You're afraid, right, you're going to say, can I have a tea?
莎拉·布罗默（Sarah Bromer）：你害怕了，对吧，你会说，我可以喝杯茶吗？
And then she's going to go, what?
然后她就要走了，什么？
What?
什么？
Tea.
茶。
Sarah Bromer No, you're saying it just fine.
莎拉·布罗默：不，你说得很好。
She's going to know what you want.
她会知道你想要什么。
I'm just kidding.
我只是在开玩笑。
You'll say, I want a tea.
你会说，我想喝茶。
OK.
好的。
I want a tea.
我想要一杯茶。
Sarah Bromer Good.
莎拉·布罗默 好。
She'll say, what kind do you want?
她会说，你想要什么类型的？
[GIGGLING] Ira Glass OK, they practice a few more times.
[咯咯笑] Ira Glass 好吧，他们再练习几次。
And then, finally, Rediet approaches the counter.
最后，雷迪特走近柜台。
I would like a tea, please.
请给我一杯茶。
Barista I'm sorry?
咖啡师 对不起？
OK, I just have to stop the tape right there.
好吧，我只需要把磁带停在那里就可以了。
Did you hear?
你听到了吗？
It happened.
它发生了。
Exactly what she feared.
正是她所害怕的。
The lady didn't understand her.
这位女士不明白她的意思。
And listen how she handles this.
听听她是如何处理这件事的。
She's so good.
她真好。
Let's take that from the top again.
让我们再次从顶部开始。
I would like a tea, please.
请给我一杯茶。
Barista I'm sorry?
咖啡师 对不起？
I would like a tea, please.
请给我一杯茶。
Barista Sure.
咖啡师当然可以。
Yeah.
是的。
Barista Do you know which kind you'd like, sweetheart?
咖啡师 你知道你想要哪种吗，亲爱的？
She doesn't giggle.
她没有咯咯笑。
She doesn't panic.
她并不惊慌。
She's perfect.
她很完美。
$1.69.
1.69 美元。
Ira Glass It's her first time buying something by herself in the US.
Ira Glass 这是她第一次独自在美国买东西。
Welcome to America, Rediet.
欢迎来到美国，雷迪特。
You bought something.
你买了东西。
You're engaging in commerce.
你从事商业活动。
You're talking to the lady at the counter.
你正在和柜台的那位女士说话。
We are so glad to have you here.
我们很高兴您来到这里。
Have some tea.
喝点茶。
You'll be paying for it yourself.
你将自己支付费用。
I'm not scared.
我不害怕。
Sarah Bromer You're not?
莎拉·布罗默 你不是吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Sarah Bromer Really?
莎拉·布罗默 真的吗？
You felt brave?
你感到勇敢吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Sarah Bromer Well, I think you did a really good job.
莎拉·布罗默 嗯，我认为你做得非常好。
Yeah, I think.
是的，我想。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass.
艾拉·格拉斯 我是艾拉·格拉斯。
This week on our radio program, we're trying something unusual for us.
本周在我们的广播节目中，我们正在尝试一些对我们来说不寻常的事情。
This is the second time we've done this.
这是我们第二次这样做。
Instead of our usual picking a theme and finding stories on the theme, the theme this week will simply be the week, the week that we all just lived through, these past seven days.
本周的主题不是我们通常选择一个主题并寻找有关该主题的故事，而是简单的一周，我们刚刚经历的一周，过去的七天。
Everything on the show has just happened, including stories that are so small and personal-- like, you know, Rediet ordering her first tea-- that they would never belong on a regular news show.
节目中的一切都刚刚发生，包括一些很小且私人的故事——比如，你知道，雷迪特点了她的第一杯茶——它们永远不会出现在常规新闻节目中。
And we have stories that are bigger, too, like this next woman, whose husband is Syrian.
我们还有更大的故事，比如下一位女士，她的丈夫是叙利亚人。
They lived there again in Syria till January, when it got too unstable.
他们再次在叙利亚住到一月份，当时局势变得非常不稳定。
And she came to America, where she grew up.
她来到了美国，她长大的地方。
And then something bad happened.
然后发生了一些不好的事情。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Really, I don't believe this could be happening.
真的，我不相信这会发生。
It seems like something that would happen in movies or in a book.
这似乎是电影或书中会发生的事情。
We're just normal people.
我们只是普通人。
Her husband's still in Syria.
她的丈夫仍在叙利亚。
He owns some businesses there.
他在那里拥有一些企业。
And two of their employees were taken hostage by the rebel forces who are fighting President Bashar al-Assad.
他们的两名员工被与巴沙尔·阿萨德总统作战的叛军扣为人质。
President Obama has called for him to step down, of course, on Thursday.
当然，奥巴马总统已要求他在周四下台。
The Pentagon warned him not to use chemical weapons.
五角大楼警告他不要使用化学武器。
Yeah, I did.
是的，我做到了。
Ira Glass What's the very latest?
Ira Glass 最新的是什么？
He told me this morning they said that they would accept $80,000, and my husband said OK.
今天早上他告诉我，他们说愿意接受 80,000 美元，我丈夫同意了。
Yes.
是的。
Yeah, I mean, I think their objective is to get the money and hopefully not to kill somebody in between.
是的，我的意思是，我认为他们的目标是拿到钱，并希望不要在中间杀人。
And it must make you feel so strange to feel like, oh, and these people who you guys are negotiating with, those are the US allies in the war.
这一定会让你感到很奇怪，因为你会觉得，哦，你们正在与之谈判的这些人，是美国在战争中的盟友。
Yeah.
是的。
They're trying to clean up their act and get rid of this type of stuff, or appear like that.
他们正试图改正自己的行为并摆脱这种类型的东西，或者看起来像那样。
And I don't know--
我不知道——
So have you spent most of this week just, like, on pins and needles just to hear what the next thing is with these employees?
那么，您是否花了这周的大部分时间，如坐针毡，只是想听听这些员工接下来会发生什么？
Yeah.
是的。
I haven't slept because of this.
我就因为这个没睡过觉
So hopefully-- I don't know if you are familiar with how things work in the Middle East, but everything always takes forever.
所以希望——我不知道你是否熟悉中东的情况，但一切总是需要永远。
We don't really have 25 days.
我们实际上没有 25 天。
We have a few precious hours left.
我们还剩几个宝贵的时间。
We are at a critical juncture.
我们正处于紧要关头。
In Doha, Qatar, this week, at the latest United Nations Climate Change Conference, the main goal that they were trying to achieve seemed incredibly modest.
本周在卡塔尔多哈举行的最新一届联合国气候变化会议上，他们试图实现的主要目标似乎极其温和。
The things that the world originally negotiated in 1997 in Kyoto about climate change are about to expire.
世界各国最初于1997年在京都就气候变化问题达成的协议即将到期。
If all goes as planned, the delegates here hope to recommit to them.
如果一切按计划进行，代表们希望能够重新做出承诺。
But their bigger mission-- for instance, limiting the increase in world temperature to 2 degrees Celsius, which the world's governments committed to in 2009 in Copenhagen-- is starting to seem impossible, meaning more hurricane Sandys, more drought, more floods more frequently.
但他们更大的使命——例如，世界各国政府于 2009 年在哥本哈根承诺将世界气温升高限制在 2 摄氏度——似乎开始变得不可能，这意味着更多的飓风“桑迪”、更多的干旱、更频繁的洪水。
A typhoon called Bopha hit the Philippines on Tuesday with a death toll that'll probably be twice that of Hurricane Sandy.
周二，一场名为“宝霞”的台风袭击了菲律宾，造成的死亡人数可能是飓风桑迪的两倍。
This man speaking is the lead negotiator from the Philippines, Naderev Sano, giving a speech that becomes, as you'll hear, very unusual for this deeply bureaucratic, diplomatic setting.
这位发言者是来自菲律宾的首席谈判代表纳德列夫·萨诺(Naderev Sano)，正如您将听到的那样，他的讲话对于这个官僚主义严重的外交环境来说非常不寻常。
An important backdrop for my delegation is the profound impacts of climate change that we are already confronting.
我国代表团的一个重要背景是我们已经面临的气候变化的深刻影响。
And as we see here, every single hour, even as we vacillate and procrastinate here, we are suffering.
正如我们在这里看到的，每一个小时，即使我们在这里犹豫不决和拖延，我们都在受苦。
Madam Chair, we have never had a typhoon like Bopha, which has wreaked havoc in a part of the country that has never seen a storm like this in half a century.
主席女士，我们从来没有遇到过像宝霞这样的台风，它对这个国家的一个地区造成了严重破坏，半个世纪以来从未见过这样的风暴。
Finally, Madam Chair, I'm making an urgent appeal, not as a negotiator, not as a leader of my delegation, but as a Filipino.
最后，主席女士，我发出紧急呼吁，不是作为谈判代表，不是作为我国代表团的领导人，而是作为菲律宾人。
I appeal to the whole world.
我向全世界发出呼吁。
I appeal to the leaders from all over the world to open our eyes to the stark reality that we face.
我呼吁世界各地的领导人睁开眼睛，正视我们所面临的严峻现实。
I appeal to ministers.
我向部长们发出呼吁。
The outcome of our work is not about what our political masters want.
我们工作的结果并不取决于我们的政治主人想要什么。
It is about what is demanded of us by 7 billion people.
这是关于70亿人对我们的要求。
I appeal to all-- please, no more delays.
我呼吁所有人——请不要再拖延了。
No more excuses.
不再有任何借口。
Please, let Doha be remembered as the place where we found the political will to turn things around.
请让人们记住多哈是我们找到扭转局面的政治意愿的地方。
No choo-choo out of the train.
火车外没有吱吱声。
No train whistle in the train.
火车上没有火车鸣笛。
No doorbells.
没有门铃。
As we poured gases into the atmosphere that are slowly heating the planet, threatening our very existence, we also put on plays for children and the disabled this week.
当我们向大气中注入气体，这些气体正在慢慢加热地球，威胁我们的生存时，本周我们还为儿童和残疾人举办了戏剧表演。
In Montana, the Missoula Community Theatre prepared a special performance of the musical Miracle on 34th Street for people on the autism spectrum.
在蒙大拿州，米苏拉社区剧院为自闭症谱系人士准备了音乐剧《34 街奇迹》的特别表演。
This meant no sudden loud noises, lower lights, volunteers with glow sticks signaling when to applaud, and lower sound levels in general.
这意味着不会有突然的巨响、昏暗的灯光、拿着荧光棒的志愿者发出何时鼓掌的信号，以及总体上较低的声级。
Director Michael McGill discussed the changes with the cast before the show.
导演迈克尔·麦吉尔在演出前与演员们讨论了这些变化。
Young people, when you come out for Donald Duck, you come out quickly, but you don't scream.
年轻人，当你们为唐老鸭出柜时，你们很快就出柜，但不要尖叫。
Just know that Mrs. Sawyer's going to be very quiet in the trial scene.
只要知道索耶夫人在审判现场会非常安静。
[GROANING] Emcee OK, here we go.
[呻吟] 主持人好的，我们开始吧。
Our first group coming up.
我们的第一组即将登场。
We've got Hype-- Hyphen.
我们有炒作——连字符。
Y'all give it up for Hyphen.
你们都为了连字符放弃吧。
They're doing some step for us today.
他们今天正在为我们采取一些措施。
Give it up, give it up, give it up, give it up.
放弃吧，放弃吧，放弃吧，放弃吧。
At the Best of Both Worlds Dance and Step Competition in Charlottesville, Virginia, Akayla Brown, Aquasia Baker, and Destiny Grady, ages 10, 10, and 11, told reporter Eric Mennel that they were confident of winning, even though they were competing against college kids.
在弗吉尼亚州夏洛茨维尔举行的“Best of Both Worlds”舞蹈和舞步比赛中，10 岁、10 岁和 11 岁的阿凯拉·布朗 (Akayla Brown)、阿夸西亚·贝克 (Aquasia Baker) 和命运·格雷迪 (Destiny Grady) 告诉记者埃里克·门内尔 (Eric Mennel)，即使他们的对手是大学生，他们也有信心获胜。
And I think they'd be like, oh, we can just beat the little kids and this and that.
我想他们会说，哦，我们可以打败小孩子，这样那样。
They just think that they can just get in our Kool-Aid when they don't even know the flavor.
他们只是认为他们可以喝我们的酷爱饮料，而他们甚至不知道它的味道。
That same day, in Newark, New Jersey, a stranger on the train that carries you between terminals at Newark Airport got into the Kool-Aid of a man named James Braly, asking where he was headed.
同一天，在新泽西州纽瓦克，在纽瓦克机场航站楼之间往返的火车上，一个陌生人走进了一位名叫詹姆斯·布拉利的男子的酷爱饮料，询问他要去哪里。
I am on my way to meet my brother-- or my half-brother, depending on how you look at it.
我正在去见我的兄弟——或者我同父异母的兄弟，这取决于你怎么看。
The internet is a very, very strange thing.
互联网是一个非常非常奇怪的东西。
First day?
第一天？
James Braly For the first time.
詹姆斯·布拉利 第一次。
Seriously?
严重地？
James Braly I'm absolutely serious.
詹姆斯·布拉利 我是认真的。
The half-brother, Jan, who is from Norway, recently learned the name of his father for the very first time, did an internet search, discovered James' family in the United States, and was coming to meet them.
来自挪威的同父异母的兄弟简最近第一次知道了他父亲的名字，他上网搜索，发现了詹姆斯在美国的家人，并准备去见他们。
The guy on the train asked James, what proof do you have?
火车上的人问詹姆斯，你有什么证据？
You going to get a DNA test or something?
你要去做DNA测试什么的吗？
Uh, not unless he asks me for a lot of money.
呃，除非他向我要很多钱。
When James gets to terminal A, he scans the crowd and spots him.
当詹姆斯到达 A 航站楼时，他扫视人群并发现了他。
I think that's him.
我想那就是他。
Ira Glass His half-brother's a 52-year-old man with a waxed handlebar mustache, hair thinned from chemo, and his dad's eyes.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 他同父异母的兄弟是一位 52 岁的男子，留着八字胡，头发因化疗而稀疏，眼睛和父亲一样。
He is instantly recognizable, James says, as family.
詹姆斯说，他一眼就能认出，就像家人一样。
Can I get you a drink?
我可以请你喝一杯吗？
Ira Glass Welcome to WBEZ Chicago.
Ira Glass 欢迎来到 WBEZ 芝加哥。
It's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
《这就是美国生活》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
Coming up all this hour, stories of all kinds, from all over, all from the past seven days.
过去七天里，来自四面八方的各种故事不断涌现。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
This past Saturday, the first of the seven days that we're covering in today's show, I Skyped with Hyder Akbar-- he's in Kabul, Afghanistan-- to find out if anything was happening there that might be interesting for the radio.
上周六，也就是我们今天节目报道的 7 天中的第一天，我通过 Skype 与 Hyder Akbar（他在阿富汗喀布尔）进行了通话，以了解那里是否发生了电台可能感兴趣的事情。
Hyder's been on our show a few times.
海德来过我们的节目几次。
He grew up in California, but his family is from Afghanistan.
他在加利福尼亚州长大，但他的家人来自阿富汗。
After college, Hyder moved there.
大学毕业后，海德搬到那里。
He said that one of the guys that he's close to, Josef, was thinking about traveling to Kunar Province.
他说他最亲近的人之一约瑟夫正在考虑去库纳尔省旅行。
That's where he's from.
他就是从那里来的。
This is an area that's been a Taliban stronghold in the past.
该地区过去一直是塔利班的据点。
It's on the border with Pakistan.
它位于与巴基斯坦边境。
If the Afghan government were to lose control of the country to the Taliban, it would probably start in Kunar.
如果阿富汗政府将国家控制权让给塔利班，很可能会从库纳尔开始。
And that's a real possibility-- civil war, the government falling.
这是一种真实的可能性——内战、政府垮台。
So what's happening in Kunar right now tells us whether that is in the cards in the future.
所以库纳尔现在发生的事情告诉我们未来是否有可能发生这种情况。
Let me grab Josef, who's here, who actually was trying to get my dad to let him go back home tomorrow.
让我抓住约瑟夫，他就在这里，他实际上是想让我爸爸让他明天回家。
I can bring him in here and talk to him about what's going on.
我可以把他带到这里来和他谈谈发生了什么事。
What are you doing when you [INAUDIBLE]?
当你[听不清]时你在做什么？
OK, just a second.
好的，请稍等。
Let me--
让我——
So Josef shows up.
于是约瑟夫出现了。
Hyder Akbar [SPEAKING ARABIC].
Hyder Akbar [阿拉伯语]。
And Hyder asks him what's happening in Kunar right now.
海德问他库纳尔现在发生了什么。
[SPEAKING ARABIC].
[说阿拉伯语]。
Hyder Akbar Oh.
海德·阿克巴尔哦。
Oh.
哦。
He says the most interesting thing is that the Americans have just pulled out of an area called Pashangar, in his area, where there was almost like a local militia with them and then the Americans controlling them.
他说，最有趣的是，美国人刚刚从他所在地区的一个叫帕尚加尔的地区撤出，那里几乎有一支当地民兵，然后美国人控制了他们。
And they pulled out of that base.
他们撤出了那个基地。
And now the problems have started.
现在问题已经开始了。
And they're warning everybody, they're telling everybody, look, the Americans are leaving.
他们警告所有人，他们告诉所有人，看，美国人要离开了。
The Americans are out.
美国人出局了。
We're coming for you guys.
我们来找你们了。
We're going to go after whoever cooperated with the Afghan government, with the Americans.
我们将追捕任何与阿富汗政府、与美国人合作的人。
You guys better be careful.
你们最好小心一点。
And they've started attacking the Afghan National Army.
他们已经开始攻击阿富汗国民军。
That, he says, is the main thing going on right now.
他说，这是目前正在发生的主要事情。
Wow.
哇。
Hyder Akbar There might be a chance to get interesting audio there, too, that this might be of interest.
Hyder Akbar 也可能有机会在那里获得有趣的音频，这可能会引起人们的兴趣。
So let's see.
那么让我们看看。
Let's see.
让我们来看看。
So they went to see, in an ancient Toyota Corolla.
于是他们就去看了，开着一辆古老的丰田卡罗拉。
They drove up there.
他们开车到那里。
They'd have to be careful, stay under the radar.
他们必须小心，保持在雷达之下。
A few days before, Hyder said, a few guys with the Afghan National Army were stopped on the road coming from Kunar and killed.
海德说，几天前，阿富汗国民军的几个人在从库纳尔来的路上被拦截并被杀。
They left on Tuesday.
他们于周二离开。
They were going to be back Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.
他们将于周二晚上或周三早上回来。
Our plan was to talk again 6 o'clock Wednesday night, Kabul time.
我们的计划是在喀布尔时间星期三晚上 6 点再次交谈。
Then, Wednesday, Hyder wasn't answering any emails or any phone calls.
然后，周三，海德没有回复任何电子邮件或任何电话。
6 o'clock came and went.
6点来了又走了。
I started to get worried.
我开始担心了。
And then, after an hour or so, I saw that he was online, on Skype.
然后，大约一个小时后，我看到他在 Skype 上在线。
So I tried him.
所以我尝试了他。
Hey, Ira.
嘿，艾拉。
Ira Glass So it's Wednesday, and you just got back from Kunar Province.
Ira Glass：今天是星期三，你刚从库纳尔省回来。
Yes, I did.
是的，我做到了。
I just got back from Kunar.
我刚从库纳尔回来。
This was probably the most intense experience of my life a few hours ago.
几个小时前，这可能是我一生中最强烈的经历。
So that's kind of at the forefront of my mind.
所以这是我最关心的问题。
What happened?
发生了什么？
Hyder Akbar I was coming back with a story.
Hyder Akbar 我带着一个故事回来了。
And I was very excited, driving down, taking in the view of Kunar, which is actually very scenic.
我非常兴奋，开车下山，欣赏库纳尔的景色，那里的景色实际上非常美丽。
So I had my headphones on.
于是我就戴上了耳机。
And I'm driving down.
我正在开车下去。
And I have Josef, who lives with me now and works with me.
我还有约瑟夫，他现在和我住在一起并和我一起工作。
And Sartor, who you've been introduced to through the previous documentaries, was sitting in the back.
萨托（Sartor）坐在后面，你在之前的纪录片中已经认识了他。
And I wanted to drive myself.
我想自己开车。
And we were coming by this bend in the road where it slows down a little bit.
我们经过这个弯道时，车速稍微慢了一点。
And we were passing by that bend when, all of a sudden, somebody jumped up behind this wall.
当我们经过那个弯道时，突然，有人从墙后面跳了起来。
He jumped up behind the wall, and he tried stopped the car.
他从墙后跳起来，试图停下车。
He put his hand on the car twice, like-- [BANGING] --and yelled, stop.
他把手放在车上两次，就像——[砰]——然后大喊，停下来。
And I had my headphones on, so I just looked through the corner of my eye.
我戴着耳机，所以我只是用眼角的余光看。
And I see confusion.
我看到了混乱。
And I see Josef next to me, yelling, go go, go!
我看到约瑟夫在我旁边大喊，快走，快走！
And I looked at him, and he had his AK-47 pointed straight at us.
我看着他，他拿着 AK-47 直指我们。
When he had his AK-47 pointed straight at us and I saw that, I just floored the accelerator.
当他用 AK-47 直指我们时，我看到了这一点，我就踩下了油门。
I floored the accelerator, and I was like, oh, not time to stop.
我猛踩油门，心想，哦，还没到停下来的时候。
And my music was still going on in my ears.
而我的音乐还在我耳边回响。
And then, all of a sudden, I just see firing.
然后，突然之间，我看到了射击。
And they had a few men on that side of the road firing at our car, and then a few men on the other side of the road, as well, too, firing at our car.
他们在路边有几个人向我们的车开枪，然后在路的另一边也有几个人向我们的车开枪。
They're just emptying into our car.
他们刚刚倒进我们的车里。
Josef is ducked down.
约瑟夫蹲了下来。
Sartor is ducked down in the back.
萨托躲在后面。
I had my head up, because I have to look at the road.
我抬起头，因为我必须看路。
Here, the tires go flat.
在这里，轮胎瘪了。
They hit both tires.
他们撞到了两个轮胎。
And as they hit both tires, I'm kind of looking up and trying to still make it.
当他们撞到两个轮胎时，我抬起头，试图继续前进。
We're probably going a few hundred meters past them now.
我们现在可能已经超过他们几百米了。
And then, all of a sudden, I see another person jump out.
然后，突然，我看到另一个人跳了出来。
And he had an RPG in his hand.
而且他手里还拿着RPG。
And he's looking right at me, and I'm looking right at him.
他正看着我，我也正看着他。
And he shot the RPG right at me.
然后他就用火箭弹朝我射击。
He shot the RPG at me.
他用火箭弹向我射击。
And I'm seeing this rocket come towards me, and I'm like, OK, it's fine.
我看到这枚火箭朝我飞来，我就想，好吧，没关系。
I've done enough here.
我在这里已经做够了。
I had a pretty fun life.
我的生活很有趣。
Obviously, all of that went through my mind.
显然，这一切都在我的脑海中闪过。
I was like, OK, it's done.
我当时想，好吧，完成了。
It's done.
完成了。
I'm done.
我受够了。
And the RPG-- this is why everybody was so shocked.
还有角色扮演游戏——这就是为什么每个人都如此震惊。
So at that second, we hit like a little bump on the road.
所以在那一刻，我们就像路上遇到了一个小颠簸。
And the RPG goes straight through the engine of my car, instead of coming directly at me.
RPG 直接穿过我汽车的引擎，而不是直接射向我。
So it hits the engine right in front of me.
所以它击中了我前面的发动机。
And is the car on fire?
还有车着火了吗？
Are you in danger of the car blowing up?
你有汽车爆炸的危险吗？
[INAUDIBLE] the engine on fire at this point.
[听不清]此时发动机着火了。
[INAUDIBLE] being able to take a picture later on.
[听不清] 稍后可以拍照。
I could probably email this to you later on.
我稍后可能会通过电子邮件将其发送给您。
But I'm going to show you on webcam real quick.
但我将很快通过网络摄像头向您展示。
You might be able to get a sense of how damaged it was and--
你也许能够了解它的损坏程度，并且——
OK.
好的。
All right, you're holding this up to the webcam.
好吧，你把它举到网络摄像头前。
We're talking over Skype.
我们正在通过 Skype 交谈。
Yeah.
是的。
Can you see the car?
你能看到车吗？
Ira Glass Oh my god.
艾拉·格拉斯 天哪。
So the whole front is dented in.
所以整个正面都凹进去了。
And then is the windshield busted in?
然后挡风玻璃被撞破了？
It's hard to see.
很难看到。
Everything's busted in.
一切都被塞进去了
The whole car went on fire.
整辆车着火了。
Do you see that hole right there?
你看到那里的那个洞了吗？
Yeah.
是的。
So there's a huge hole in the driver's side in the front, on the hood.
因此，驾驶员侧前部的引擎盖上有一个大洞。
[INAUDIBLE] right now.
[听不清] 现在。
Yeah, that's where the RPG went through.
是的，这就是RPG的经历。
And you're looking at it in reverse right now, I think, because of the cam.
我想，由于摄像头的原因，你现在正在以相反的方式看待它。
But that's basically where I was sitting, right above it.
但这基本上就是我坐的地方，就在它上面。
And that's where the RPG came through.
这就是角色扮演游戏的由来。
And that's where I missed the bump of the RPG.
这就是我错过角色扮演游戏的地方。
I mean, he was aiming straight at me.
我的意思是，他直指着我。
Like I said, when I saw that RPG come at me, I thought it was done.
就像我说的，当我看到RPG向我袭来时，我以为它已经完成了。
So--
所以——
So the car is on fire.
所以车子着火了。
You guys are in the car.
你们在车里。
These guys are shooting just a couple of hundred meters behind you.
这些家伙就在你身后几百米处射击。
And maybe have they stopped at that point?
也许他们在那一刻就停下来了？
So at this point, it's quiet for a second.
所以此时此刻，安静了一秒。
We're all kind of looking around.
我们都在四处张望。
Right then, these two pickup trucks of ANA soldiers are driving by on the opposite side, going in their direction.
就在这时，这两辆全日空士兵的皮卡正从对面驶过，朝他们的方向驶来。
This is the Afghan army.
这就是阿富汗军队。
This is friendly to you--
这对你很友好——
The Afghan National Army, yeah.
阿富汗国民军，是的。
So we see the Afghan National Army, two pickup trucks, plenty of guys in there.
所以我们看到阿富汗国民军，两辆皮卡车，里面有很多人。
So we're like, OK-- phew-- coast clear.
所以我们就想，好吧——唷——一切顺利。
The ANA's going to be able to take care of this.
ANA 将能够解决这个问题。
And we get kind of relieved for a second.
我们松了一口气。
We get out of the car, we just see the ANA drive off.
我们一下车，就看到全日空航空公司开走了。
They saw it.
他们看到了。
They saw our car on fire.
他们看到我们的车着火了。
They definitely heard the RPG his us, because that doesn't make low noise.
他们肯定听到了我们的角色扮演游戏，因为这不会产生低噪音。
They heard the gunfire.
他们听到了枪声。
And they just drive off.
他们就开车走了。
They just drive off, and I'm like, OK.
他们就开车走了，我就说，好吧。
All right.
好的。
They drive off in the direction of the guys who are shooting at you, or just in some other direction?
他们朝向你开枪的人的方向行驶，还是朝其他方向行驶？
No, past them.
不，过去了。
Past them.
经过他们。
Past them.
经过他们。
They were driving in that direction, and they kept driving.
他们正朝那个方向行驶，而且一直行驶着。
So at this point, Josef just runs off.
所以这个时候，约瑟夫就跑掉了。
Josef has run off.
约瑟夫逃跑了。
He's a good hundred meters away from us at this point.
此时他距离我们足有一百米远。
And me and Sartor are kind of just looking at the car on fire, and we're like, what the hell?
我和萨托只是看着着火的汽车，然后我们就想，到底是怎么回事？
And we're looking at it, and Josef's screaming, get the hell out of here!
我们正在看着它，约瑟夫尖叫着，快离开这里！
Get the hell out of here!
赶紧离开这里！
And I just looked at Sartor, and I was like, dude, my laptop bag's in there.
我只是看着 Sartor，我就想，伙计，我的笔记本电脑包就在那里。
Everything's in there.
一切都在里面。
So we both run in.
于是我们俩就跑了进去。
We open the door to go inside to grab the laptop bag out of it, with my laptop and other stuff in there.
我们打开门进去，从里面拿出笔记本电脑包，里面有我的笔记本电脑和其他东西。
And so as we do that, they start firing again.
当我们这样做时，他们又开始开火。
Luckily, the car covered us.
幸运的是，车挡住了我们。
And the bullets just hit the back of the car as we were on the side of the car trying to get the laptop bag out.
当我们在车一侧试图取出笔记本电脑包时，子弹正好击中了车后部。
We managed to get the laptop bag out.
我们设法把笔记本电脑包拿出来。
And then I'm kind of hiding behind the car.
然后我就躲在车后面。
I take out my iPhone, because I'm like, OK, I've got to record this a little bit, at least, for you guys.
我拿出我的 iPhone，因为我想，好吧，我必须为你们录制一点。
I was like, I want to record this thing.
我当时想，我想把这件事记录下来。
This is an interesting thing.
这是一件有趣的事情。
I look at my iPhone.
我看着我的 iPhone。
It has, like, 1% battery, 2%.
它有 1% 的电量、2% 的电量。
I'm like, [BLEEP].
我就像，[哔]。
So I have this on record, and I see Josef just come running back down.
所以我把这件事记录下来，我看到约瑟夫刚刚跑回来。
And it was kind of funny.
这有点有趣。
He's like, what are you doing?
他说，你在做什么？
I'm like, I need to record the car, I need to record the car for the thing.
我想，我需要记录汽车，我需要记录汽车的情况。
Remember, we came here to do the radio thing.
请记住，我们来这里是为了做广播工作的。
And he cursed you guys out and punched the hood.
他咒骂你们，还用拳头敲打引擎盖。
And basically, he said, F This American Life.
基本上，他说，F 这美国生活。
What the hell are you going to do with This American Life when you're dead?
当你死后你到底打算用《美国生活》做什么？
And he started dragging me away.
然后他开始拖着我走。
And right then, the phone turned off too.
而就在这时，手机也关机了。
The phone turned off too, so it didn't save the recording, either.
手机也关机了，所以也没有保存录音。
And he's dragging me away.
而他正拖着我走。
As he's dragging me away--
当他拉着我走时——
OK, soon after this in the conversation, I let Hyder know that if he is ever again in any situation where he might get killed, it is OK if he runs away and stops recording for the radio show.
好吧，在谈话结束后不久，我让海德知道，如果他再次遇到任何可能被杀的情况，他可以逃跑并停止为广播节目录制。
So he explained that they went around the bend.
所以他解释说他们绕过了弯道。
They saw two civilian cars stopped there.
他们看到两辆民用汽车停在那里。
They were still being shot at.
他们仍然遭到枪击。
So they got into those cars.
所以他们上了那些车。
They got away.
他们逃走了。
This was the first time, Hyder said, that somebody specifically tried to kill him.
海德说，这是第一次有人专门试图杀死他。
And he thinks that they wanted him because they were letting other cars pass by on the road, and they specifically tried to stop his car.
他认为他们想要他是因为他们让其他汽车在路上经过，并且他们特意试图阻止他的车。
But who was it who was targeting him?
但针对他的到底是谁？
And why were they targeting him?
他们为什么要针对他？
That wasn't clear to him at all.
这对他来说根本就不清楚。
That's something I'm going to have to think about and figure out tonight, in the next couple of days.
这是我今晚在接下来的几天里必须思考和解决的问题。
Well, what are the possibilities?
那么，有哪些可能性呢？
List through right now, tick off a couple of possibilities, just so I understand.
现在列出来，勾选几种可能性，以便我理解。
What could it be?
可能是什么？
It could have been the Taliban.
可能是塔利班。
It could have been the Taliban, who might have been following me a lot more closely than I realized, following my locations, where I'm spending the night, where I'm living.
可能是塔利班，他们对我的跟踪可能比我想象的要密切得多，跟踪我的位置、我过夜的地方、我住的地方。
They definitely knew exactly where I was.
他们肯定知道我在哪里。
I can't think of anything personal, in terms of any personal feuds, et cetera.
我想不出任何个人的事情，包括任何个人恩怨等等。
So it'd be most likely the Taliban or people in Kunal that are with the insurgency that don't see me, I guess, as a threat.
因此，我猜，塔利班或库纳尔的叛乱分子很可能不会将我视为威胁。
And Hyder, is it as simple as you and your dad aren't necessarily so crazy about the current government in Afghanistan, but they know you definitely do not like the Taliban?
海德，是不是就像你和你爸爸不一定对阿富汗现任政府那么疯狂，但他们知道你肯定不喜欢塔利班一样简单？
And is it as simple as that?
事情真有这么简单吗？
Almost as simple as that.
几乎就这么简单。
The one thing I would add onto that is they could see us as being even more of a threat because we're not that close to this government anymore, because we don't approve of many things that are going on in the government.
我要补充的一件事是，他们可能会将我们视为更大的威胁，因为我们与这个政府不再那么亲近，因为我们不赞成政府正在发生的许多事情。
They can sideline a lot of other people very easily by saying, oh, these guys are corrupted individuals, involved with the government, fattening their pockets.
他们可以很容易地让很多其他人靠边站，说，哦，这些人是腐败的人，与政府有牵连，中饱私囊。
But when they see me driving around in a [BLEEP] Corolla and just talking to people, engaging them, and being pretty sincere in my efforts, that's seen as much more of a threat, because they could delegitimize the Afghan government and the officials involved with them much easier.
但当他们看到我开着[BLEEP]花冠到处走动，只是与人们交谈，与他们互动，并且对我的努力非常真诚时，这被视为更大的威胁，因为他们可以更容易地剥夺阿富汗政府和与他们有关的官员的合法性。
And it's not crazy to think that Hyder is now at a point where he would be worth killing.
认为海德现在已经到了值得杀死的地步，这并不疯狂。
His family's from Kunar.
他的家人来自库纳尔。
His father and uncle were in the insurgency in Kunar that drove out the Soviets in the 1980s.
他的父亲和叔叔参加了 20 世纪 80 年代库纳尔的叛乱，这场叛乱驱逐了苏联人。
When the current Afghan government came to power after September 11, Hyder's dad was appointed governor of Kunar.
9月11日阿富汗现政府上台后，海德的父亲被任命为库纳尔省省长。
They have friends there.
他们在那里有朋友。
They have a base of support.
他们有基础的支持。
And as the Americans pull out in the next two years, there's going to be a power vacuum in the country.
随着美国人在未来两年内撤军，该国将出现权力真空。
And people are getting in position for that, including Hyder.
人们正在为此做好准备，包括海德。
He is setting himself up to do politics.
他正准备从政。
The way that he explains it, he says he wants to be the Afghan equivalent of a congressman, though with a militia.
他解释说，他想成为阿富汗的国会议员，尽管他拥有一支民兵。
You need a militia, because it's Afghanistan.
你需要一支民兵，因为这是阿富汗。
We talked for a while.
我们聊了一会儿。
Hyder insisted that he is planning on going back to Kunar soon.
海德坚称他计划很快返回库纳尔。
And he's going to do it just like he did this time, in another beat-up old car, to prove that they didn't scare him, to prove that he wasn't going to stay away, which I really hope that his mom and his dad and his uncle talk him out of.
他会像这次一样，开着另一辆破旧的车，证明他们没有吓到他，证明他不会离开，我真的希望他的妈妈、爸爸和叔叔劝他不要这么做。
And then we finally got to the reason for his trip in the first place, the story that he was so excited to bring back, that he ended up risking his life for, of what was happening in the province.
然后我们终于了解了他此行的首要原因，他非常兴奋地带回来的故事，他最终冒着生命危险，讲述了该省发生的事情。
So just review the highlights for me.
所以请为我回顾一下亮点。
So let's talk about what you saw when you were there.
那么我们来谈谈你在那里看到的事情吧。
What's interesting?
有什么有趣的？
OK, so we drove up there.
好的，所以我们开车去了那里。
We drove up there yesterday.
我们昨天开车去那里。
And we went into the Pesh Valley.
我们进入了佩什山谷。
It's actually kind of funny.
这实际上有点有趣。
So the Pesh Valley's sort of like the valley of death.
所以佩什山谷有点像死亡之谷。
It was the place that was considered very dangerous.
那是一个被认为非常危险的地方。
And some interesting new dynamics have emerged there with the ANA, the Afghan National Army.
阿富汗国民军也出现了一些有趣的新动态。
Again, this is the government's army.
再说一次，这是政府的军队。
This for the government of Afghanistan.
这是阿富汗政府的。
The ANA, the Afghan National Army, is in control there now.
ANA（阿富汗国民军）现在控制着那里。
The Americans have pulled out.
美国人已经撤走了。
What's going on because of that is that a lot of people, especially the civilian population, is siding with the ANA now.
正因为如此，很多人，尤其是平民，现在都站在全日空一边。
The ANA is just culturally much more aware.
ANA 只是在文化上更有意识。
They've been able to make inroads amongst the population.
他们已经能够在人群中取得进展。
They've been able to push the Taliban out, especially from the main roads.
他们已经能够将塔利班逐出，特别是从主要道路上。
I was driving by areas where people used to get stopped and beheaded, government officials or those considered working with the Americans, driving past all of these potholes in the road where they had laid down IEDs.
我开车经过人们经常被拦截和斩首的地区，政府官员或那些被认为与美国人合作的人，开车经过路上所有这些坑坑洼洼的地方，他们在那里放置了简易爆炸装置。
And that was fine.
那很好。
It was fine.
很好。
And we're all taking in the scenery.
我们都在欣赏风景。
And it was a very heartwarming story, actually.
事实上，这是一个非常温馨的故事。
I was actually very excited to come back.
其实我很高兴能回来。
I was kind of aware, I was like, OK, maybe good news is not always that fun to report about.
我有点意识到，我想，好吧，也许报道好消息并不总是那么有趣。
I was like, but it'll be exciting to finally come back.
我当时想，但最终回来会很令人兴奋。
And I was very hopeful and feeling pretty jolly.
我充满希望，感觉很快乐。
Because it was so hopeful that the Afghan National Army was doing a decent job?
因为人们对阿富汗国民军表现出色抱有很大希望？
Exactly.
确切地。
Exactly, that there's hope for this country, there's hope for security in this country, there's hope for stability in this country.
确切地说，这个国家有希望，这个国家有安全，这个国家有稳定。
And as somebody who has spent the last 10 years involved in this place, that was incredible news for me.
作为一个在过去 10 年里一直在这个地方工作的人，这对我来说是一个令人难以置信的消息。
Hyder Akbar.
海德·阿克巴.
He's the author of the book Come Back to Afghanistan.
他是《回到阿富汗》一书的作者。
This song that's playing right now is one that he swears was playing on his iPod when he was ambushed.
现在正在播放的这首歌是他发誓在他遭到伏击时他的 iPod 上正在播放的歌曲。
And it's such a weird choice that it's hard to believe that he'd make that up.
这是一个如此奇怪的选择，很难相信他会做出这样的选择。
It's the Geto Boys' 1991 hit, "Mind Playing Tricks On Me."
这是 Geto Boys 1991 年的热门歌曲“Mind Playing Tricks On Me”。
[MUSIC - "MIND PLAYING TRICKS ON ME" BY GETO BOYS]
[音乐 - GETO BOYS 的“介意对我玩戏”]
Well, if you live in a part of the country that has already had snow this year, you may find it hard to relate to the thrill experienced by some people in Arizona this past week.
好吧，如果你住在今年已经下过雪的国家的某个地区，你可能会发现很难体会到上周亚利桑那州一些人所经历的兴奋。
Lisa Pollak explains.
丽莎·波拉克解释道。
When I heard that an outdoor mall in Tuscon was promising snow on Saturday, a day when the high temperature hit 77 degrees, I figured there were only two possible explanations-- a pre-Christmas meteorological miracle or a ski resort style snow machine.
当我听说图森的一家户外购物中心预计周六会下雪时，那天的高温达到了 77 度，我想只有两种可能的解释——圣诞节前的气象奇迹或滑雪场式造雪机。
But there was, in fact, a third option.
但事实上，还有第三种选择。
I heard about it from Melanie Sutton, the senior marketing manager at La Encantada mall, the mall that sponsors the annual event known as the Enchanted Snowfall.
我从 La Encantada 购物中心的高级营销经理 Melanie Sutton 那里听说了这件事，该购物中心赞助了名为“魔法降雪”的年度活动。
She said that what we were about to see falling from sky that night was a desert style snow.
她说那天晚上我们将看到从天上飘落的是沙漠风格的雪。
As our tagline, we say, "98% magic, 2% soap."
正如我们的口号所说，“98% 魔法，2% 肥皂”。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
So it literally is, like, that's the ingredient, is soap?
所以它的字面意思是，这就是肥皂的成分？
I mean, besides the magic.
我的意思是，除了魔法之外。
Correct.
正确的。
The ingredient is soap.
成分是肥皂。
But they're shaped as snowflakes.
但它们的形状像雪花。
Got that?
明白了吗？
Me, neither.
我也不。
But minutes later, along with hundreds of parents and kids in the mall's open-air courtyard, I had a chance to see it for myself.
但几分钟后，我和商场露天庭院里的数百名家长和孩子一起，有机会亲眼目睹它。
Oh, oh, here we go.
哦，哦，我们开始吧。
Lisa Pollak "Oh, oh, here we go," I heard one of the dads say.
丽莎·波拉克 “哦，哦，我们开始吧，”我听到其中一位爸爸说。
Then there was a whooshing sound, followed by white stuff falling from the sky.
紧接着，一阵嗖嗖的声音响起，紧接着，白色的东西从天而降。
It's snowing!
正在下雪！
Lisa Pollak From a distance, I can report that it did indeed resemble snow-- heavy, white flakes lit up by spotlights in the darkness.
丽莎·波拉克 从远处看，我可以报告说，它确实像雪——厚重的白色雪花在黑暗中被聚光灯照亮。
Up close, though, it was hard to be fooled.
然而，近距离观察，就很难被愚弄了。
Imagine little clumps of bath suds or globs of latte foam, with a faintly fresh smell.
想象一下一小块沐浴露或一团拿铁泡沫，带有淡淡的新鲜气味。
There it is, look!
就在那里，看！
Lisa Pollak This man is talking to his three-year-old son, Cameron, who at first seemed to be saying how much he liked the snow--
丽莎·波拉克（Lisa Pollak） 这个男人正在和他三岁的儿子卡梅伦（Cameron）说话，卡梅伦一开始似乎在说他有多么喜欢雪——
--but on closer examination, was actually saying how much he didn't like the snow.
——但仔细一看，实际上是在说他有多么不喜欢雪。
Cameron was the exception.
卡梅伦是个例外。
All around me, kids seemed to be going insane with joy.
在我周围，孩子们似乎都高兴得要疯了。
Over by the Apple store, a group of them had planted themselves under one of the faux snow machines and seemed to be trying to get as much white foam on their hair and clothes as possible.
在苹果专卖店旁边，一群人站在一台人造造雪机下，似乎想在头发和衣服上沾上尽可能多的白色泡沫。
Others ran around with outstretched hands, trying to catch enough to make mushy snowballs and smash it on each other's heads.
其他人则伸手跑来跑去，试图抓住足够多的雪球，把雪球砸到彼此的头上。
One boy walked up to me with a mass of suds in each hand and a look on his face like he couldn't believe his good fortune.
一个男孩走到我面前，两手都拿着一团肥皂水，脸上的表情似乎不敢相信自己的好运。
Look at how much snow I have.
看看我的雪有多少。
Lisa Pollak Suddenly I felt a sense of duty.
丽莎·波拉克（Lisa Pollak）突然间我产生了一种责任感。
Shouldn't these kids know the truth?
难道这些孩子不应该知道真相吗？
I would break it to them gently.
我会轻轻地向他们打破它。
It looks kind of like soap.
它看起来有点像肥皂。
Boy 1 That's because it is soap.
男孩 1 那是因为它是肥皂。
It's kind of like regular snow.
这有点像普通的雪。
But if it gets in your eyes, your eyes just terribly burn.
但如果它进入你的眼睛，你的眼睛就会被严重灼伤。
It's just bubbles, but I can't believe it!
这只是泡沫，但我不敢相信！
I've never seen this happen before!
我以前从未见过这种情况发生！
So fun!
太有趣了！
And it's soap!
而且是肥皂！
Boy 2 I tasted it.
男孩2 我尝过它。
It tastes like soap.
味道像肥皂。
About halfway through the show, I noticed I was starting to cough.
演出进行到一半时，我发现自己开始咳嗽。
And I wasn't the only one.
而且我不是唯一一个。
I overheard this lady talking to her husband.
我无意中听到这位女士和她丈夫说话。
Everyone's coughing, she said.
她说，每个人都在咳嗽。
What did you say?
你说什么？
Man 4 We're all going to get cancer.
男人 4 我们都会得癌症。
Why did you say-- [COUGHS] Man 4 Just listen.
你为什么说——[咳嗽] 男人 4 听着。
Everybody's standing here coughing, right?
每个人都站在这里咳嗽，对吗？
So it can't be good for you.
所以这对你来说不可能有什么好处。
[COUGHS] Man 4 Yeah.
[咳嗽] 男人 4 是的。
Right?
正确的？
There you go.
就这样吧。
There you go.
就这样吧。
Get you some.
给你一些。
I checked with Melanie, the mall's marketing manager.
我咨询了商场营销经理梅兰妮。
She assured me that whatever was in the bubbles had been tested and was nontoxic.
她向我保证，气泡中的任何东西都经过测试并且是无毒的。
Though I believed her, I was a little relieved when the Enchanted Snowfall powered down after 15 minutes.
尽管我相信她的话，但当魔法降雪在 15 分钟后关闭时，我还是松了一口气。
Like a lot of things about the holidays, it was at its best from a distance, and a little went a long way.
就像假期里的许多事情一样，从远处看它是最好的，一点点就能走很长的路。
Lisa Pollak.
丽莎·波拉克。
Coming up, a guy walks into a bar-- usually not a life-or-death situation.
接下来，一个人走进一家酒吧——通常不是生死攸关的情况。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
This week, instead of the usual sort of theme we do on our show, our theme is just the seven days that have just passed.
本周，我们的主题不是我们节目中通常的主题，而是刚刚过去的 7 天。
We have stories, small and personal, and big and national, and international.
我们有故事，有小故事、个人故事、大故事、国家故事、国际故事。
Monday, you probably heard, House Speaker John Boehner issued his counterproposal to avoid the fiscal cliff.
您可能听说过，周一，众议院议长约翰·博纳提出了避免财政悬崖的反提案。
It was promptly rejected by the White House.
但很快就被白宫拒绝了。
By Wednesday, there were front-page stories that Republican leaders are considering a fallback plan to extend tax cuts to the middle class now, fight about the rest of it in January or February.
到了周三，头版报道称，共和党领导人正在考虑一项后备计划，将减税范围扩大到中产阶级，并在一月或二月就剩下的减税计划展开讨论。
Also this week, Boehner cracked the whip in his own party.
同样在本周，博纳在自己的政党中大肆宣扬。
Republicans who didn't vote his way lost committee assignments.
不按照自己的方式投票的共和党人会失去委员会的任命。
He warned to other House members that he would be watching.
他警告其他众议院议员，他会密切关注。
To put all of this in perspective, I called veteran Congress-watcher Norman Ornstein, who happened to be in Prague when I phoned him.
为了正确看待这一切，我给资深国会观察员诺曼·奥恩斯坦打电话，当我给他打电话时，他恰好在布拉格。
His official title is Resident Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.
他的正式头衔是美国企业研究所常驻学者。
But all I care about is that you mention the book--
但我只关心你提到这本书——
And the title of the book is?
书名是？
Norman Ornstein --which is, It's Even Worse Than It Looks-- How the American Constitutional System Collided with the New Politics of Extremism.
诺曼·奥恩斯坦——也就是说，它比看起来更糟糕——美国宪法制度如何与极端主义新政治发生冲突。
Consider it mentioned.
考虑一下提到的。
Norman Ornstein OK.
诺曼·奥恩斯坦 好的。
So you're in Prague this week.
所以你这周在布拉格。
Isn't this kind of a big week not to be near Capitol Hill for somebody like you?
对于像你这样的人来说，不在国会山附近度过这不是一个重要的一周吗？
It's a good week to be away from Capitol Hill in a lot of ways.
从很多方面来说，这是远离国会山的好一周。
How so?
为何如此？
Norman Ornstein Well, it seems like a big week.
诺曼·奥恩斯坦 嗯，这似乎是重要的一周。
But the fact is we're in the middle of an end game.
但事实是我们正处于最后阶段。
And I've been kind of bemused by all of the focus on the every-minute maneuvering of Speaker John Boehner and President Obama, including a heavy focus on the fact that Boehner didn't pose for a picture with the President at the White House Christmas party.
我对议长约翰·博纳和奥巴马总统每时每刻的行动的关注感到有点困惑，包括对博纳没有在白宫圣诞晚会上与总统合影这一事实的高度关注。
And there's one important principle to keep in mind.
有一个重要原则需要牢记。
When does an end game end?
最终游戏什么时候结束？
At the end.
在最后。
And the end is not this week.
结束不是在本周。
Are you basically saying that this is a week we might as well ignore the news from Capitol Hill?
您基本上是在说，本周我们不妨忽略来自国会山的消息吗？
Yes.
是的。
I'm saying that there are naturally going to be people who follow every little twist and turn.
我是说，自然会有人关注每一个小小的转折。
But it doesn't really matter.
但这并不重要。
So this is the thing that I was wondering, is, when you look at this maneuvering, can you tell how it's going to play out?
所以这就是我想知道的事情，当你看到这种机动时，你能说出它会如何发挥作用吗？
The answer is two-fold.
答案有两个。
The first part is, no, you can't tell how it's going to play out.
第一部分是，不，你无法知道事情会如何发展。
But all of these ploys and, in some ways, histrionics are par for the course.
但所有这些策略以及在某些方面的表演都是理所当然的。
So taking the temperature on any one of them doesn't really tell us that much.
因此，测量其中任何一个的体温并不能真正告诉我们太多信息。
Now, what I would have to say, though, is the second point.
现在，我要说的是第二点。
And it's frankly a giant caveat here.
坦率地说，这是一个巨大的警告。
We are going through the most dysfunctional politics I've seen in 43 years.
我们正在经历 43 年来我见过的最失调的政治。
So I think there's a pretty good chance we'll get a patchwork deal to get us past this dilemma before the end of the year.
因此，我认为我们很有可能在年底前达成一项拼凑协议，帮助我们摆脱这一困境。
But I also think that there's a substantial chance, much higher than it would have been if we were looking at the process 20 years ago or 10 years ago, even 5 years ago, that we'll slip over into January.
但我也认为，与 20 年前或 10 年前，甚至 5 年前的流程相比，我们很有可能会推迟到 1 月份。
And it might take a jolt, a serious jolt, from the markets to bring us to some kind of conclusion here.
市场可能需要一次震动，一次严重的震动才能让我们得出某种结论。
Norman Ornstein.
诺曼·奥恩斯坦。
I asked him, why do they even bother going through the theater this week?
我问他，为什么他们这周还要去剧院呢？
Why not just skip to the part where they actually hammer out the deal?
为什么不直接跳到他们实际敲定交易的部分呢？
His answer, I thought, was interesting.
我认为他的回答很有趣。
He said that the Republicans need to demonstrate to Grover Norquist and Rush Limbaugh and all their own constituents that they tried everything, their back is against the wall, there was no other choice before they can raise taxes.
他说，共和党人需要向格罗弗·诺奎斯特和拉什·林堡以及所有自己的选民证明，他们已经尝试了一切，已经走投无路，在提高税收之前别无选择。
The Democrats have their own version of it.
民主党有自己的版本。
They have to demonstrate to their base they had no choice but to cut entitlements before any deal.
他们必须向他们的支持者证明，他们别无选择，只能在达成任何协议之前削减福利。
Both sides need to say no, he says, for a while.
他说，双方都需要暂时说“不”。
Wednesday night, New Orleans, French Quarter.
周三晚上，新奥尔良，法国区。
A 25-year-old blonde girl named Joni Cooper is going up to everybody in this bar, asking a question that you probably wouldn't expect to hear on a night out drinking.
一位名叫乔尼·库珀 (Joni Cooper) 的 25 岁金发女孩正在向酒吧里的每个人询问一个你在晚上出去喝酒时可能不会听到的问题。
Can I come chat with you?
我可以来和你聊天吗？
Bar Patron 1 Sure.
酒吧赞助人 1 当然。
Well, my name's Joni.
嗯，我叫乔尼。
And I'm here with NO/AIDS.
我在这里没有艾滋病。
We're doing free HIV testing today.
我们今天进行免费艾滋病毒检测。
Would y'all maybe be interested in getting tested tonight?
你们可能有兴趣今晚接受测试吗？
NO/AIDS is an organization in Louisiana that works to prevent and reduce the spread of HIV and help treat people who are infected.
NO/AIDS 是路易斯安那州的一个组织，致力于预防和减少艾滋病毒的传播并帮助治疗感染者。
Louisiana has the fourth highest estimated AIDS rate in the country.
路易斯安那州的估计艾滋病发病率在全国排名第四。
In 2011, nearly 60% of new HIV diagnoses in Louisiana were gay man.
2011年，路易斯安那州新确诊的艾滋病毒患者中近60%是男同性恋。
74% were African Americans.
74% 是非裔美国人。
So NO/AIDS tries to make finding at your HIV status as convenient as they possibly can, which means, for them, going into bars, asking people to put down their drink for 15 minutes, and come get tested.
因此，NO/AIDS 试图尽可能方便地了解您的 HIV 状况，这意味着，对他们来说，走进酒吧，要求人们放下饮料 15 分钟，然后来接受检测。
They get the results on the spot.
他们当场得到结果。
It's my birthday, so-- Joni Cooper [SCREAMS].
今天是我的生日，所以——乔尼·库珀（Joni Cooper）[尖叫]。
Happy birthday!
生日快乐！
Joni is pitching a group of guys who are out for their friend's 30th birthday.
乔尼正在向一群出去庆祝朋友 30 岁生日的人推销。
You might think this would not be a receptive crowd, but listen to what happens.
您可能认为这不会是一个容易接受的人群，但请听听会发生什么。
You're doing it right now?
你现在正在做吗？
Like, what time?
比如，什么时间？
We're doing it right now.
我们现在正在做。
Bar Patron 2 Let's do it.
酒吧赞助人 2 让我们开始吧。
All right!
好的！
Bar Patron 2 Let's go.
酒吧老板 2 我们走吧。
I'm going to get tested.
我要去接受测试。
You coming?
你来吗？
Where?
在哪里？
Bar Patron 2 Right here, right now.
酒吧顾客 2 就在这里，就在此时。
You catch someone by surprise.
你让某人措手不及。
You kind of catch someone off guard, and they're like, oh, well, I guess it's here.
你会让某人措手不及，他们会说，哦，好吧，我想它就在这里。
I've never done it.
我从来没有这样做过。
Robin Pearce runs the testing program, which has testing sites all over New Orleans, not just in bars.
罗宾·皮尔斯（Robin Pearce）负责该测试项目，该项目在新奥尔良各地都有测试点，而不仅仅是酒吧。
The statistic is that 1.2 million people in the United States are living with HIV, and one in five of them don't know they have it.
据统计，美国有 120 万人感染艾滋病毒，其中五分之一的人不知道自己感染了艾滋病毒。
So finding the people who don't know that they have HIV is the point of what we're doing.
因此，找到那些不知道自己感染了艾滋病毒的人是我们所做工作的重点。
The week that we're covering here today happened to begin with World AIDS Day.
我们今天报道的这一周恰好是从世界艾滋病日开始的。
And thinking about that, we sent out a writer, Nathaniel Rich, to watch the HIV testing at one of the highest risk venues NO/AIDS tests at-- Club New Orleans, a five-story sex club for men in the center of the French Quarter, which means that this story might not be appropriate for all children or maybe any of them.
考虑到这一点，我们派出了作家纳撒尼尔·里奇 (Nathaniel Rich) 去新奥尔良俱乐部 (Club New Orleans) 观看艾滋病毒检测，该场所是新奥尔良俱乐部 (Club New Orleans) 的艾滋病毒检测风险最高的场所之一，该俱乐部位于法国区中心，是一家五层楼的男性性俱乐部，这意味着这个故事可能不适合所有儿童或其中任何一个。
It acknowledges the existence of sex.
它承认性的存在。
Here's Nathaniel.
这是纳撒尼尔。
We changed the name of the guy he's writing about in this story.
我们改变了他在这个故事中所写的人的名字。
Room 300 was the largest bedroom in the club, just large enough to fit a chair and a queen size bed covered with red satin sheets.
300号房间是俱乐部里最大的卧室，刚好可以容纳一把椅子和一张铺着红色缎子床单的大号床。
Sitting cross-legged on the bed was Alex Lee, a 25-year-old counselor for NO/AIDS, who's also a student at the University of New Orleans.
盘腿坐在床上的是 25 岁的 NO/AIDS 顾问亚历克斯·李 (Alex Lee)，他也是新奥尔良大学的学生。
He's majoring in anthropology.
他主修人类学。
In fact, he had a final exam the next morning.
事实上，他第二天早上就有期末考试。
When Mark entered the room, Alex was reading an essay about Occam's razor.
当马克走进房间时，亚历克斯正在读一篇关于奥卡姆剃刀的文章。
Alex asked Mark to sit in the chair.
亚历克斯请马克坐在椅子上。
He explained that the HIV test would only detect an infection that occurred more than three months ago.
他解释说，艾滋病毒检测只能检测出三个多月前发生的感染。
He showed Mark how to use an applicator to swab this mouth-- first his upper gums, then his lower gums.
他向马克展示了如何使用涂抹器擦拭这张嘴——首先是上牙龈，然后是下牙龈。
When Mark was finished, he dipped the end of the applicator into a small vial.
马克完成后，将涂抹器的末端浸入一个小瓶中。
Alex set a timer to 20 minutes, the time it takes for a test result to appear, and placed it on the bedside table between them.
亚历克斯将计时器设置为 20 分钟，即检测结果出现所需的时间，并将其放在他们之间的床头柜上。
He asked Mark a series of questions.
他问了马克一系列问题。
"When was your last test?" "About a year ago," said Mark, "at a bar, in fact."
“你上次测试是什么时候？” “事实上，大约一年前，”马克说，“在一家酒吧。”
"In the past 12 months," asked Alex, "have you had anal sex with a man?" "Yes," said Mark.
“在过去的 12 个月里，”亚历克斯问道，“你有没有和男人肛交过？” “是的，”马克说。
"Have you had sex without using a condom?" "As a giver," said Mark.
“你有没有在没有使用安全套的情况下发生性行为？” “作为一个给予者，”马克说。
"How about sex with an anonymous, casual, or internet partner, someone you didn't know too well?" "I'm sure I have," said Mark.
“与一个匿名的、随意的或互联网上的、你不太了解的人发生性关系怎么样？” “我确信我有，”马克说。
He seemed to become increasingly anxious.
他似乎变得越来越着急。
He crossed his arms, holding his elbows, hugging his chest.
他交叉双臂，握住手肘，抱住胸口。
"Have you knowingly had sex with someone who's living with HIV?" "No." "Have you injected any drugs?" "No."
“您是否故意与艾滋病病毒感染者发生性行为？” “不。” “你注射过药物吗？” “不。”
"Have you had sex with someone who injects drugs?" Mark paused for two seconds.
“你和注射毒品的人发生过性关系吗？”马克停顿了两秒钟。
"No," he said.
“不，”他说。
Alex started the next question, but Mark interrupted him.
亚历克斯开始提出下一个问题，但马克打断了他。
"Yes," he said, "yes, I have." "Sex with someone who injects drugs?" "Yeah.
“是的，”他说，“是的，我有。” “与注射毒品的人发生性关系？” “是的。
I just didn't know it until after."
我只是直到事后才知道。”
The timer beeped.
计时器发出嘟嘟声。
"Does that mean it's ready?" asked Mark.
“也就是说已经准备好了？”马克问道。
"No," said Alex.
“不，”亚历克斯说。
"It just beeps sometimes."
“有时它只是发出嘟嘟声。”
"It's so funny," said Mark, "and this is so crude, but I did have intercourse last night, not wearing a condom.
“这太有趣了，”马克说，“这太粗鲁了，但我昨晚确实发生了性行为，没有戴安全套。
It's just weird.
这很奇怪。
The guy told me he was negative, but for some reason, after all was said and done, I thought he was really positive.
那个人告诉我他很消极，但出于某种原因，在说了又做了之后，我认为他真的很积极。
And then I was thinking on the walk home how stupid that was."
然后我在回家的路上想着这有多愚蠢。”
Mark had been busy all day at work, so it had been easy to avoid thinking about it.
马克一整天都忙于工作，所以很容易避免去想这件事。
But that evening, he went for a walk and soon found himself standing in front of the club.
但那天晚上，他出去散步，很快发现自己站在俱乐部门前。
It was odd, Mark said, because he hadn't visited the club for a year.
马克说，这很奇怪，因为他已经一年没有来俱乐部了。
As soon as he stepped inside, a voice came on the loudspeaker announcing that there would be free HIV testing that evening.
他一进门，扩音器里就传来一个声音，宣布当晚将进行免费艾滋病检测。
Suddenly, Mark understood why he had come to the club, and he felt scared.
突然间，马克明白了自己为什么来到俱乐部，他感到害怕。
There were five minutes left on the timer.
计时器还剩五分钟。
"I'm really anxious," said Mark.
“我真的很焦虑，”马克说。
He looked it.
他看了看。
He was jittery.
他很紧张。
He rose from his chair.
他从椅子上站起来。
He said he was going to walk around and come back when his result was ready.
他说他要四处走走，等结果出来后再回来。
But five minutes later, when the timer went off, Mark was gone.
但五分钟后，当计时器响起时，马克已经走了。
Alex waited another 10 minutes, then another 10.
亚历克斯又等了 10 分钟，然后又等了 10 分钟。
A different man was tested, waited for his result, then left.
另一个人接受了测试，等待结果，然后离开。
Still no sign of Mark.
仍然没有马克的踪影。
Alex was mystified.
亚历克斯很困惑。
In his two years testing men at bars, nobody had ever fled before finding out his results.
在他在酒吧对男人进行测试的两年里，没有人在得知他的结果之前逃跑。
It was now almost 11:30.
现在已经快11点30分了。
His shift had official ended half an hour ago, and his anthropology final was at 10:00 AM.
他的轮班在半小时前就正式结束了，他的人类学期末考试在上午 10:00 进行。
As Alex gathered his testing materials, his colleague, Brandon, decided to make one final effort to find Mark.
当亚历克斯收集他的测试材料时，他的同事布兰登决定做出最后的努力来寻找马克。
Brandon started in the gym.
布兰登开始在健身房锻炼。
Mark wasn't there.
马克不在那儿。
Nor was Mark in the sauna or the whirlpool.
马克也不在桑拿房或漩涡浴缸里。
He was not in the room called the Bookstore, which doesn't have any books, nor was he in the Barracks.
他不在那个叫书店的房间里，里面没有任何书，也不在军营里。
He was not in the so-called Porno Room, in which every surface is made of black rubber.
他不在所谓的色情房间里，那里的每个表面都是黑色橡胶制成的。
And he was not in the Dungeon.
而且他并不在地牢里。
Brandon paced through the narrow hallways, which are lined with more than 50 tiny bedrooms.
布兰登在狭窄的走廊里踱步，走廊两旁排列着 50 多间狭小的卧室。
Some of the doors were ajar.
有些门半开着。
He saw harnesses and swings.
他看到了安全带和秋千。
He saw men watching videos.
他看到有人在看视频。
And then, in another bedroom, Brandon saw Mark.
然后，在另一间卧室里，布兰登看到了马克。
He was sitting on a bed, talking with a naked man.
他坐在床上，正在和一个裸体男人说话。
"Oh," said Mark, "are you looking for me?"
“哦，”马克说，“你在找我吗？”
Five minutes later, Mark returned to room 300.
五分钟后，马克回到了300房间。
His fingers were trembling.
他的手指在颤抖。
He was too nervous to sit.
他太紧张了，无法坐下。
Alex told him that his test had come back negative.
亚历克斯告诉他，他的检测结果呈阴性。
"Yay!" Mark shouted.
“耶！”马克喊道。
He was ecstatic.
他欣喜若狂。
He asked Alex to show him the result on the test form.
他要求亚历克斯向他展示测试表上的结果。
"God, I'm so happy.
“天哪，我太高兴了。
Thank you.
谢谢你。
Oh my god."
天哪。”
He thanked Alex a few more times and said he was grateful for the work that NO/AIIDS was doing.
他又多次感谢了亚历克斯，并表示他很感激 NO/AIIDS 所做的工作。
Mark even said he wanted to volunteer for the organization, that he felt, as a member of the New Orleans gay community, it was the right thing to do.
马克甚至说他想为该组织做志愿者，他觉得作为新奥尔良同性恋社区的一员，这是正确的事情。
Then, negative test results in hand, he disappeared into the club.
然后，他拿着阴性测试结果，消失在俱乐部里。
Nathaniel Rich.
纳撒尼尔·里奇.
He's the author of the forthcoming book Odds Against Tomorrow.
他是即将出版的《Odds Against Tomorrow》一书的作者。
This, what you're listening to right now, is a Samantha Ronson remix, released this week by the Chainsmokers.
您现在听到的是 Samantha Ronson 的混音版，由 Chainsmokers 本周发行。
Except for the Geto Boys, all the songs between stories today was a release or on albums that were released in the last seven days.
除了 Geto Boys 之外，今天故事之间的所有歌曲都是最近 7 天内发行的歌曲或专辑中的歌曲。
A week can be a long time, when every day seems to shift the direction of your entire country.
一周可能是一段很长的时间，每一天似乎都在改变整个国家的方向。
Egypt has had a week of demonstrations, counter demonstrations, and violence.
埃及已经经历了一周的示威、反示威和暴力事件。
The demonstrations are for and against the country's president, Mohammed Morsi.
这些示威活动有支持也有反对该国总统穆罕默德·穆尔西的。
And OK, quick review-- Morsi was democratically elected a couple months ago.
好吧，快速回顾一下——几个月前，穆尔西通过民主选举当选。
But at the end of November, he shocked many Egyptians by issuing a decree giving himself enormous powers, basically putting all his decisions, past and present, above the law.
但在11月底，他颁布了一项赋予自己巨大权力的法令，基本上将他过去和现在的所有决定置于法律之上，震惊了许多埃及人。
He said he had to do this because judges appointed by Egypt's ousted dictator, Hosni Mubarak, were undermining him.
他说他必须这样做，因为埃及被驱逐的独裁者胡斯尼·穆巴拉克任命的法官正在破坏他的利益。
Some of those judges had dissolved Egypt's newly elected parliament right before Morsi took office.
其中一些法官在穆尔西上任前解散了埃及新当选的议会。
So now, if you follow the news at all, you've seen this-- both sides are dug in, each convinced that they represent true democracy in Egypt.
所以现在，如果你关注新闻，你就会看到这一点——双方都坚定不移，都坚信自己代表了埃及真正的民主。
There are a lot of ways for things to get worse, very few for them to get better.
让事情变得更糟的方法有很多，而让事情变得更好的方法却很少。
Nancy Updike reports on what has happened and how some of the anger is being spread around.
南希·厄普代克报道了所发生的事情以及一些愤怒是如何传播的。
Up until this past Wednesday, opponents and supporters of President Morsi had held their rallies in different places-- on purpose, to avoid confrontations.
直到上周三，穆尔西总统的反对者和支持者都故意在不同的地方举行集会，以避免对抗。
But late in the day on Wednesday, supporters of President Morsi, members of the Muslim Brotherhood, marched to the presidential palace, where some anti-Morsi protesters were camped out.
但周三晚些时候，穆尔西总统的支持者、穆斯林兄弟会成员游行到总统府，一些反穆尔西抗议者在那里扎营。
And after that, all night long, people fought or ran or hid.
之后，整个晚上，人们要么打架，要么逃跑，要么躲藏。
By Thursday morning, seven people were dead, and hundreds were injured.
截至周四早上，已有七人死亡，数百人受伤。
And four of Morsi's advisers had resigned in protest.
穆尔西的四名顾问已辞职以示抗议。
As of right now, Friday evening, around 6:00 PM Egypt time, the leaders of both sides aren't talking to each other, and protesters are still in the streets, separate and peaceful for the moment.
截至目前，埃及时间周五晚上 6:00 左右，双方领导人都没有互相交谈，抗议者仍在街头，暂时分开且和平。
When I was in Cairo after Mubarak was ousted last year, I saw a scene that now seems impossible-- writers and editors, secular Egyptians, who were talking over croissants with members of a formerly violent Islamist group named Gamaa Islamiya, an ally of the Muslim Brotherhood.
去年穆巴拉克被赶下台后，当我在开罗时，我看到了现在看来不可能的场景——作家和编辑、世俗的埃及人，正在与穆斯林兄弟会的盟友、前暴力伊斯兰组织“伽玛伊斯兰”(Gamaa Islamiya) 的成员一起吃羊角面包。
The secular men and the devout men weren't becoming friends.
世俗的人和虔诚的人并没有成为朋友。
But they weren't beating each other up in the streets, either.
但他们也没有在街上互相殴打。
[SPEAKING ARABIC].
[说阿拉伯语]。
Nancy Updike On Thursday night, I made a phone call through an interpreter.
南希·厄普代克 周四晚上，我通过翻译打了一个电话。
She was shouting a bit to make herself heard.
她大声喊叫，让自己的声音被听到。
And we called one of the people from that meeting, an Egyptian novelist in his 70s named Yusuf al-Qaid to find out his take on the week's events.
我们给那次会议的一位参加者打电话，他是一位 70 多岁的埃及小说家，名叫优素福·卡伊德 (Yusuf al-Qaid)，想了解他对本周发生的事件的看法。
He remembered me, but he wanted to make absolutely sure I knew where he stands in this fight.
他记得我，但他想绝对确定我知道他在这场战斗中的立场。
[SPEAKING ARABIC].
[说阿拉伯语]。
Translator I would like our American journalist here to understand that I am not in any neutral position here.
译者：我希望我们的美国记者明白，我在这里不处于任何中立立场。
I am with a civilian modern state.
我属于一个平民现代国家。
I am against a religious state.
我反对宗教国家。
I am against any rule based on religion.
我反对任何基于宗教的规则。
So against Morsi.
所以反对穆尔西。
And since he brought up the fact that I'm American, I told al-Qaid that I'd seen pictures of anti-Morsi protesters, people like him, carrying signs talking about the US and President Obama.
自从他提到我是美国人的事实后，我告诉基地组织，我看到了反穆尔西抗议者的照片，像他这样的人，举着谈论美国和奥巴马总统的标语。
I didn't mention this specific one to him, but I saw a sign that said, "Obama, your bitch is our dictator." The vehemence of al-Qaid's response caught me by surprise.
我没有向他提到这个具体的事情，但我看到一个牌子，上面写着：“奥巴马，你的婊子是我们的独裁者。”基地组织的激烈反应令我感到意外。
In my view, the biggest betrayal that has taken place against the Egyptian people is the absolute support that the American administration has given to the Muslim Brotherhood.
在我看来，对埃及人民最大的背叛就是美国政府对穆斯林兄弟会的绝对支持。
America is ignoring the violence that is conducted against the Egyptian people.
美国无视针对埃及人民的暴力行为。
America is completely silent and has voiced that its relationship with Egypt is strategic.
美国完全保持沉默，并表示其与埃及的关系是战略性的。
And therefore, passing events do not affect this strategic relationship.
因此，过去的事件不会影响这种战略关系。
By strategic relationship, he means that the United States is more concerned about Egypt's dealings with Israel than about Egypt's dealings with its own citizens.
他所说的战略关系是指美国更关心埃及与以色列的关系，而不是埃及与本国公民的关系。
This week, more than ever, I realized that no matter how angry and caught up in their own national issues a person is, depending on what country they're in, they probably still have plenty of anger left over for the United States.
本周，我比以往任何时候都更意识到，无论一个人对自己的国家问题多么愤怒和困扰，根据他们所在的国家，他们可能仍然对美国有很多愤怒。
After I hung up with al-Qaid, I called another person I met in Cairo last year-- completely different guy, a religious man, young, 28 years old, named Mohammed Agiba.
挂断基地组织的电话后，我给去年在开罗遇到的另一个人打了电话——完全不同的人，一个宗教人士，年轻，28 岁，名叫穆罕默德·阿吉巴 (Mohammed Agiba)。
Mohammed spent years in the Muslim Brotherhood.
穆罕默德在穆斯林兄弟会度过了多年。
But now he's marching against Morsi too.
但现在他也开始反对穆尔西。
He knew Morsi's power grab would divide the country.
他知道穆尔西的权力争夺会分裂国家。
And he thinks the proposed constitution is a disaster that has to be stopped.
他认为拟议的宪法是一场必须制止的灾难。
And talking about the constitution is when we ended up at the same place I ended up with al-Qaid, the secular guy.
谈论宪法的时候，我们就和基地组织这个世俗人物一样结束了。
Mohammed talked about how the constitution calls for a joint civilian military council, weighted toward the military, that has to be consulted before the president can declare a war.
穆罕默德谈到了宪法如何要求建立一个偏向军方的联合民事军事委员会，在总统宣战之前必须征求该委员会的意见。
The council also has a role in deciding on the military's budget.
该委员会还在决定军队预算方面发挥作用。
Mohammed sees the council as one thing only.
穆罕默德认为理事会只是一件事。
[SPEAKING ARABIC].
[说阿拉伯语]。
Translator This is what the US wants; this is what Israel wants-- a regime which appears to be democratic to the people, but actually it is this defense national council which will be doing all the work.
这就是美国想要的；这就是以色列想要的——一个对人民来说看似民主的政权，但实际上是这个国防国家委员会将承担所有工作。
This council, the National Defense Council, will be the one ruling the country.
这个委员会，即国防委员会，将是统治国家的委员会。
So are you saying you think President Morsi or part of his government or all of his government are puppets of the United States?
那么你是说你认为穆尔西总统或他的政府的一部分或他的整个政府都是美国的傀儡？
[SPEAKING ARABIC].
[说阿拉伯语]。
Translator For sure President Morsi wants the interests of Egypt.
穆尔西总统肯定想要埃及的利益。
However, he sees the implementation of this interest, or finding the interest, from a very narrow perspective that the United States has set for him.
然而，他是从美国为他设定的一个非常狭隘的角度来看待这个利益的实现，或者说寻找这个利益的。
We do not want him to see that perspective through the United States' perspective.
我们不希望他从美国的角度来看待这一观点。
We want him to see it through the Egyptian people's vision and through the Egyptian people's perspective.
我们希望他能够从埃及人民的视野和角度来看待这一问题。
And we say, please, the Egyptian people should be your priority and not the American administration.
我们说，埃及人民应该是你们的首要任务，而不是美国政府。
I asked Mohammed one more question, not about America, but about Egypt and the choices people have faced there since the revolution.
我又问了穆罕默德一个问题，不是关于美国，而是关于埃及以及埃及革命以来人们所面临的选择。
I asked him if he'd voted for Morsi.
我问他是否投票给穆尔西。
He did, like a lot of people who are now protesting against Morsi.
他做到了，就像许多现在抗议穆尔西的人一样。
He said he doesn't regret it.
他说他不后悔。
The alternative was worse.
另一种选择更糟糕。
He says he just hopes Morsi can pull out of this and pull Egypt out too.
他说，他只是希望穆尔西能够摆脱困境，并让埃及也摆脱困境。
Nancy Updike.
南希·厄普代克。
She's one of the producers of our show.
她是我们节目的制作人之一。
OK, let's go back to America.
好吧，我们回美国吧。
Friday morning, Boston, Logan Airport, 5:40 AM.
周五早上，波士顿，洛根机场，凌晨 5:40。
Delta.
三角洲。
United.
团结的。
Ira Glass 30 times a night, six nights a week, Fred Beaton drives the shuttle bus on the same loop, from the parking garage to the terminals, picking people up, dropping them off, every 20 minutes, same loop.
Ira Glass 每晚 30 次，每周 6 个晚上，Fred Beaton 驾驶穿梭巴士沿着同一个环路行驶，从停车场到航站楼，接送乘客，每 20 分钟一班，同一个环路。
He's been doing this for 16 years, till this morning.
直到今天早上，他已经这样做了 16 年。
He's retiring.
他要退休了。
Hopefully, this is my last trip around the airport.
希望这是我最后一次在机场周围旅行。
Freddie B, you'll never be done here, never.
Freddie B，你永远不会在这里完成，永远不会。
That one was his boss, Vinny, over the radio.
无线电里的那个人就是他的老板文尼。
Off to the sunset.
出发去日落吧
Ira Glass But everybody got in on it.
Ira Glass 但每个人都参与其中。
So do you feel sad at all, nostalgic, maybe?
那么你是否感到悲伤、怀旧？
No, I don't feel sad.
不，我不觉得悲伤。
No. Ryan Murdoch Not even a little bit?
没有。瑞恩·默多克（Ryan Murdoch） 一点点也没有？
I'm glad, happy.
我很高兴，很高兴。
It's somebody else's turn.
轮到别人了。
His stepson, Ryan Murdoch, is riding with him, making this recording and talking to him.
他的继子瑞恩·默多克（Ryan Murdoch）与他一起骑行，录制这段录音并与他交谈。
They calculate that he's done this loop 128,000 times in 16 years.
据他们计算，他在 16 年内完成了这个循环 128,000 次。
And at 6 o'clock, when he gets to the end of his very last ride, the guy who was supposed to show up was late.
六点钟，当他结束最后一次骑行时，原本应该出现的人却迟到了。
So he has to do one more.
所以他还得再做一件事。
Perfect, right?
完美，对吧？
And then he gets to pull the shuttle bus over one last, last time, and climb out.
然后他最后一次把穿梭巴士拉过来，然后爬了出来。
All right.
好的。
Hey, glory Hallelujah.
嘿，荣耀哈利路亚。
I'll see you.
我会见到你。
Best of luck, Freddie.
祝你好运，弗雷迪。
Fred Beaton Take care.
弗莱德·比顿 保重。
Yeah.
是的。
Ryan Murdoch All right, we're done.
瑞安·默多克 好吧，我们完成了。
We're done.
我们完成了。
Ryan Murdoch You've got a huge smile on your face.
瑞恩·默多克（Ryan Murdoch） 你脸上挂满了灿烂的笑容。
In Chicago, Linc Cohen began his retirement this week.
在芝加哥，林肯·科恩本周开始退休。
He worked at a steel mill for 18 years, and then for 20 years after, for the union AFSCME.
他在一家钢铁厂工作了 18 年，之后在 AFSCME 工会工作了 20 年。
Monday was his first day home as a retired person.
星期一是他作为退休人员回家的第一天。
And his wife, Sandi Wisenberg, had some questions.
他的妻子桑迪·维森伯格有一些问题。
She recorded them.
她记录了它们。
Are you going to make the bed?
你要铺床吗？
You can make the bed now.
你现在可以整理床铺了。
But I never make it.
但我从来没有成功过。
Linc Cohen I know.
林克·科恩我知道。
When I get up last-- the day before, I got up after you, and I made it.
当我最后起床时——前一天，我在你之后起床，然后我做到了。
Right.
正确的。
But what if I get up last, and then you're still here.
但如果我最后起床，而你还在这里呢？
You can go up and make it.
你可以上去完成它。
Yeah, I might.
是的，我可能会。
I might not.
我可能不会。
Sandi Wisenberg Oh, I thought you don't like it when it's not made.
桑迪·维森伯格 哦，我以为你不喜欢它还没制作出来。
I don't like it when it's not made.
还没做好的时候我不喜欢它。
But I also don't like cleaning up your messes.
但我也不喜欢清理你的烂摊子。
I have enough of that to do.
我有足够多的事情要做。
[CELL PHONE ALARM] Ira Glass In other news with people not getting to work in the morning-- Springfield, Oregon, Monday morning of this week, 7:30, a grad student named Morgan Peach hears the alarm that is supposed to wake him up.
[手机闹钟] Ira Glass 在人们早上不去上班的其他新闻中——俄勒冈州斯普林菲尔德，本周星期一早上 7:30，一位名叫 Morgan Peach 的研究生听到了应该叫醒他的闹钟。
Then he shuts it off.
然后他把它关掉。
This happens again at 7:35--
7点35分，这种情况再次发生——
[CELL PHONE ALARM] --and then again at 7:40.
[手机闹钟]——然后在 7:40 再次响起。
You get the idea.
你明白了。
8:15, 8:25.
8:15、8:25。
Finally, 9 o'clock, his girlfriend Angela Evancie, who made this recording, steps in.
最后，九点钟，录制这段录音的他的女友安吉拉·伊万西 (Angela Evancie) 介入了。
It's time?
时间到了吗？
Angela Jane Evancie It's time.
安吉拉·简·埃文西 是时候了。
It's time.
是时候了。
Ira Glass He doesn't get up.
艾拉·格拉斯：他没有站起来。
It's finals week.
这是决赛周。
Besides an exam, he has two research papers to turn in and 55 exams and papers to grade.
除了考试之外，他还有两篇研究论文要上交，还有 55 份考试和论文要评分。
Angela sees him struggle every day with waking up.
安吉拉看到他每天都在挣扎着醒来。
But she thought, this week, this week, for once, he would do it when the alarm sounds, because he has so much to do.
但她想，这周，这周，这一次，当闹钟响起时，他会这样做，因为他有太多事情要做。
Tuesday, it goes off first at 7:30, then seven more times-- 7:40, 7:45, 8 o'clock, 8:05, 8:10, 8:15, 8:20.
周二，它首先在 7:30 响起，然后再响七次——7:40、7:45、8 点、8:05、8:10、8:15、8:20。
Wednesday, pretty much the same deal.
周三，几乎同样的交易。
At some point, Angela says to her sleeping boyfriend--
在某个时刻，安吉拉对她熟睡的男友说——
Yes, I did.
是的，我做到了。
Angela Jane Evancie Can you afford to sleep in that late?
Angela Jane Evancie 你能睡那么晚吗？
I certainly can.
我当然可以。
I'm wealthy in time, not in money.
我富有的是时间，而不是金钱。
Wednesday night, Morgan tells Angela that the next morning, Thursday, he actually is going to have to get up early.
周三晚上，摩根告诉安吉拉，第二天早上，即周四，他实际上必须早起。
A geography paper is due at noon.
中午有一篇地理论文要交。
Yeah, could you set the alarm for 7:30 tomorrow?
好的，你能把闹钟定在明天 7:30 吗？
I'd like to get up at 7:30 and work on my research papers and finish them.
我想在 7:30 起床并完成我的研究论文。
Hours pass.
几个小时过去了。
Angela Jane Evancie And now it's 8:00.
Angela Jane Evancie 现在是 8:00。
The alarm went off, and he reset it for 8:30.
闹钟响了，他把闹钟调到了8点30分。
I really thought he was going to do it this morning.
我真的以为他今天早上就会这么做。
Sometime near 10:00 AM, they finally have this conversation.
上午 10:00 左右的某个时候，他们终于进行了这次对话。
It's time to get up.
是时候起床了。
Morgan Peach [INAUDIBLE].
摩根·桃子[听不清]。
And then, still lying in bed, he explains the whole thing perfectly.
然后，他仍然躺在床上，完美地解释了整个事情。
It would be impossible to say this better.
这句话再好不过了。
It's almost as if the sleeping is that much sweeter when you have to get up or you think you have to get up, and then you don't.
就好像当你必须起床或者你认为你必须起床但你却没有起床时，睡眠会变得更加甜蜜。
[MUSIC - "LOVER TO LOVER" BY FLORENCE AND THE MACHINE]
[音乐 - 佛罗伦萨与机器的《情人对情人》]
Well, our program was produced this week by Sarah Koenig, our senior producer, Julie Snyder, and me, with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Brian Reed, Robin Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
本周，我们的节目由莎拉·科尼格、我们的高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德和我以及亚历克斯·布伦伯格、本·卡尔霍恩、乔纳森·门吉瓦尔、丽莎·波拉克、布莱恩·里德、罗宾·塞米恩、艾丽莎·希普和南希·厄普代克共同制作。
Production help from Tarek Fouda.
Tarek Fouda 提供制作帮助。
Amy Phillips, from Pitchfork Media, was our music consultant, finding brand new songs.
来自 Pitchfork Media 的艾米·菲利普斯 (Amy Phillips) 是我们的音乐顾问，负责寻找全新的歌曲。
Seth Lind is our operations director.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的运营总监。
Elise Bergerson's our administrative assistant.
埃莉斯·伯格森是我们的行政助理。
At our website this week, we have a gallery of photos taken on Instagram by people all over the world in these last seven days of events large and small.
本周，我们的网站上有一个由世界各地的人们在过去 7 天大大小小的活动中在 Instagram 上拍摄的照片库。
Emily Condon on our staff did the photo curating.
我们的员工艾米丽·康登 (Emily Condon) 负责照片策划。
She did so good.
她做得很好。
You should look.
你应该看看。
That's at our website, thisamericanlife.org.
这是我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
And our film Sleepwalk With Me is now available for download at iTunes-- itunes.com/sleepwalkwithme.
我们的电影《与我一起梦游》现已可在 iTunes 下载 - itunes.com/sleepwalkwithme。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia, who never stops saying--
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的项目进行 WBEZ 管理监督，他从未停止过说——
F This American Life .
F 这美国生活。
What the hell are you going to do with This American Life when you're dead?
当你死后你到底打算用《美国生活》做什么？
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life .
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。