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Prologue Ira Glass Morgan began taking Pilates with her mom from this woman named Mary Archbold during her sophomore year of high school.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯·摩根 (Ira Glass Morgan) 在高中二年级时开始与她的妈妈一起学习普拉提，这个妈妈名叫玛丽·阿奇博尔德 (Mary Archbold)。
And the way the class worked, I guess, was like most Pilates classes.
我想，课程的运作方式就像大多数普拉提课程一样。
Mary Archbold would demonstrate poses, and they would watch her carefully.
玛丽·阿奇博尔德会展示姿势，他们会仔细地看着她。
And Mary Archbold would spend a lot of the class walking around, correcting students' positioning, pushing down their shoulders and adjusting their hip alignment, standing right next to them, touching them.
玛丽·阿奇博尔德会在课堂上花很多时间走来走去，纠正学生的姿势，压低他们的肩膀，调整他们的臀部对齐，站在他们旁边，触摸他们。
And I mention that only to say Morgan and everybody else in the class got a really good look at her close up for like an hour.
我提到这一点只是为了说摩根和班上的其他人都近距离地仔细观察了她大约一个小时。
I was in her classes for about probably two times a week for a year, almost a year, until I realized that she didn't have two full arms.
我大约每周上她的课两次，持续了一年，几乎一年，直到我意识到她没有两只完整的手臂。
To be fair, a lot of people were fooled.
公平地说，很多人都被愚弄了。
Mary Archbold is very good at concealing something you would think would be hard to conceal.
玛丽·阿奇博尔德非常擅长隐藏一些你认为难以隐藏的事情。
Her right arm is a regular, full arm.
她的右臂是一条正常的、完整的手臂。
And her left arm stops at the elbow.
她的左臂停在肘部。
And she does wear a prosthetic arm, but it's solid and the joints and hands don't move at all.
她确实戴着假肢，但它是实心的，关节和手根本不能动。
If you actually looked at it, you would see it's obviously fake.
如果你仔细看的话，你会发现这显然是假的。
But in addition to teaching classes, she performs professionally as a dancer, and has figured out ways to move so that the audience cannot tell.
但除了教课之外，她还以舞蹈演员的身份进行专业表演，并且想出了让观众无法分辨的动作方法。
When she auditions, directors and choreographers can't tell, and the caster.
当她试镜时，导演和编舞都无法分辨，还有演员。
And Morgan discovered the truth about Mary's arm only when Mary outed herself.
而直到玛丽出柜后，摩根才发现了玛丽手臂的真相。
She decided to do a show on stage about the experience of having just one arm.
她决定在舞台上表演一场关于只有一只手臂的经历的表演。
The show is called Jazz Hand .
该节目名为“爵士之手”。
Get it?
得到它？
Jazz Hand -- the woman is a professional dancer-- Jazz Hand : Tales of a One-Armed Woman .
爵士手——女人是一名职业舞者——爵士手：一个独臂女人的故事。
And I hung the post card up in my room along with a bunch of other letters that people had sent me.
我把明信片和人们寄给我的一堆其他信件一起挂在我的房间里。
And pretty soon, people in my cabin had started asking me.
很快，我舱里的人开始问我。
They said, "Oh, who is that?" And I said, "Oh, that's Mary.
他们说：“哦，那是谁？”我说：“哦，那是玛丽。
She's my Pilates teacher.
她是我的普拉提老师。
She's great." And they were like, "Oh, does Mary only have one arm?" And I said, "No, Mary has two arms." And they said, "Oh, well in the postcard, she only has one arm."
她很棒。”他们就像，“哦，玛丽只有一只手臂吗？”我说：“不，玛丽有两只手臂。”他们说：“哦，在明信片上，她只有一只手臂。”
And I looked at them.
我看着他们。
And I was like, "No, no. Mary definitely has two arms.
我当时想，“不，不。玛丽肯定有两只手臂。
They must be doing some sort of special effects for the show.
他们一定是在为节目做某种特效。
You know, Mary is a dancer.
你知道，玛丽是一名舞者。
She was a cheerleader.
她是一名啦啦队长。
I see her do Pilates all the time.
我经常看到她做普拉提。
I see her twice a week all the time.
我每周都会见她两次。
I go to her classes.
我去听她的课。
I mean, Mary definitely has two arms." And they said, "OK!
我的意思是，玛丽肯定有两只手臂。”他们说：“好吧！
Why did she write a show about only having one arm?" And I said, "I don't know.
她为什么要写一部关于只有一只手臂的节目？”我说：“我不知道。
She's creative!"
她很有创意！”
But when Morgan calls her mom on the phone, she mentions what the girls at camp had said.
但当摩根打电话给她妈妈时，她提到了营地里的女孩们所说的话。
And her mom reassures her, "No, no, no. Don't be silly.
她妈妈安慰她：“不，不，不。别傻了。
Of course Mary has two arms.
玛丽当然有两只手臂。
We both know that." Her mom-- Karen is her name-- told me, sure, she knew that Mary's show had that subtitle, Tales of a One-Armed Woman.
我们都知道这一点。”她的妈妈——她的名字是凯伦——告诉我，当然，她知道玛丽的节目有这样的副标题：《独臂女人的故事》。
You know, I didn't really think anything of it.
你知道，我其实并没有多想什么。
I thought it could have been like a metaphor for something else.
我认为这可能是其他事物的隐喻。
Like working at a deficit, something like that.
就像在赤字中工作，类似的事情。
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊，是啊。
She had one arm tied behind her back?
她的一只手臂被绑在背后？
Right.
正确的。
And then you start paying attention.
然后你开始注意。
And you realize, oh my god!
你意识到，天哪！
And then, later that summer, I got home.
然后，那个夏天晚些时候，我回到家。
And my mom said, "Morgan, I have something to tell you." And I was like, "What?" And she was like, "We're such idiots, and Mary does really only have one full arm."
我妈妈说：“摩根，我有件事要告诉你。”我当时想，“什么？”她说：“我们真是白痴，而玛丽确实只有一只完整的手臂。”
So the fact that you went to her for an entire school year twice a week--?
那么整个学年你每周去找她两次——？
I was definitely embarrassed, and I definitely felt really, really stupid.
我真的很尴尬，我真的感觉自己真的非常愚蠢。
And I know that-- I've spoken to some other women in our class about this.
我知道——我已经和我们班的其他一些女生谈过这个问题。
And they, also, they're like, "I felt so stupid." Because it's like, how do you not notice?
他们也说，“我觉得自己很愚蠢。”因为这就像，你怎么没注意到？
You're spending so much time with someone.
你花了很多时间和某人在一起。
And it's just completely invisible.
而且它是完全看不见的。
Yeah.
是的。
What was the buzz in class?
课堂上有什么热闹？
Were there are a lot of people who didn't know?
是不是还有很多人不知道呢？
There's a famous quote that's attributed to an old-time magician named Harry Kellar who died back in 1922.
有一句著名的名言出自一位名叫 Harry Kellar 的老魔术师之口，他于 1922 年去世。
Though as best as I can figure, nobody knows if Harry Kellar really said this.
尽管据我所知，没有人知道哈利·凯勒是否真的说过这句话。
But apparently, he was such a master of misdirection, of getting an audience to look exactly where he wanted them to look and never look anywhere that he did not want them to look, that people claim that he said, quote, "A brass band playing at full blast can march openly across the stage behind me followed by a herd of elephants, yet no one will realize that they went by." Not that he ever tried that.
但显然，他是一位误导大师，他让观众准确地看他想让他们看的地方，而从不看他不想让他们看的任何地方，人们声称他说，引用，“一支全力演奏的铜管乐队可以在我身后公开地穿过舞台，后面跟着一群大象，但没有人会意识到他们走了过去。”他从来没有尝试过这样做。
Nobody thinks that.
没有人这么认为。
Well, today on our radio show, Hiding in Plain Sight, we meet people who do what Harry Kellar never achieved-- they are the elephant on stage and the brass band.
好吧，今天在我们的广播节目《隐藏在众目睽睽之下》中，我们遇到了一些人，他们做了哈利·凯勒从未实现过的事情——他们是舞台上的大象和铜管乐队。
And nobody notices.
没有人注意到。
We will meet this woman who demonstrates Pilates in front of people for years without them noticing her fake arm.
我们将会见到这位女士，她多年来在人们面前展示普拉提，而人们却没有注意到她的假手臂。
We will meet the man who brought down the Cali drug cartel from the inside.
我们将见到那个从内部推翻卡利贩毒集团的人。
He was their own director of security.
他是他们自己的安全总监。
And more from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life distributed by Public Radio International.
还有来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的更多内容，由国际公共广播电台发行的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act one, There's Something About Mary.
第一幕，《玛丽有事》。
So I guess I've now put this off long enough.
所以我想我现在已经把这件事推迟得够久了。
It is time to finally Mary Archbold, one-armed woman.
终于轮到玛丽·阿奇博尔德了，独臂女人。
She was born that way.
她生来就是这样。
I can hide it.
我可以隐藏它。
It's definitely now a lot of stuff I do subconsciously.
现在肯定有很多事情是我下意识地做的。
It's inherent in the way I move.
这是我移动方式中固有的。
Do I have this right?
我有这个权利吗？
You told one of our producers-- or maybe your husband told one of our producers-- that you were in a production of West Side Story , and they didn't know that you had one arm, most of the cast, until the cast party?
你告诉我们的一位制片人——或者也许你的丈夫告诉我们的一位制片人——你正在制作《西区故事》，而他们直到演员聚会才知道你和大部分演员都只有一只手臂？
Yes, yes.
是的，是的。
We were about probably five weeks into a run of a three-month production.
我们为期三个月的制作大约已经进行了五周。
And we had a cast party, and someone pointed it out.
我们举办了一个演员聚会，有人指出了这一点。
And the majority of the people I danced with-- I mean, and these were my dance partners-- did not know.
大多数和我一起跳舞的人——我的意思是，这些是我的舞伴——并不知道。
And then is that moment for you a moment of horror or a moment of pride?
那么那一刻对你来说是恐惧的时刻还是自豪的时刻？
Half and half.
一半一半。
There's the horror of what reaction is it going to be?
可怕的是，这会是什么反应？
Yeah.
是的。
Mary Archbold And then there is the quiet pride that maybe you saw me as me before you saw me as an actor with a disability.
玛丽·阿奇博尔德 然后有一种安静的自豪感，也许你在看到我是一名残疾演员之前就看到了我。
Do you feel like those two things are contradictory?
你觉得这两件事是矛盾的吗？
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass Yeah, I'm not sure I understand that.
Ira Glass：是的，我不确定我是否理解这一点。
It's like you're saying you want them to see you.
就像你在说你想让他们看到你一样。
Mm-hm.
嗯嗯。
Ira Glass But "you" includes the fact that you have only one full arm.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）但是“你”包括你只有一只完整的手臂这一事实。
True, but it's not my leading characteristic.
确实如此，但这不是我的主要特征。
And oftentimes when people find it out first, that's sort of how they describe me.
通常，当人们首先发现这一点时，他们就是这样描述我的。
I'm like categorized, one-arm Mary.
我就像被分类的独臂玛丽。
But everyone, when you see them, you see something, some superficial thing in their hair or the way they're dressed, or their age, or whatever it is, or their race, just whatever it is.
但是每个人，当你看到他们时，你会看到一些东西，他们的头发或他们的穿着方式，或他们的年龄，或其他什么，或他们的种族，无论是什么。
Right.
正确的。
Ira Glass And they get classified.
Ira Glass 他们被分类了。
And I'd be happy to be classified among any other things.
我很乐意被归入任何其他类别。
You can call me the short girl.
你可以叫我矮个子女孩。
You can call me the brunette girl, the blue-eyed girl, whatever you want to say, just not the disabled girl.
你可以叫我黑发女孩、蓝眼睛女孩，无论你想说什么，但不能是残疾女孩。
And it's funny.
这很有趣。
At home, with my family, with my son, with my husband, I never wear my arm.
在家里，和我的家人，和我的儿子，和我的丈夫在一起，我从不戴手臂。
I'm a lot more functional without it.
没有它我的功能会好多了。
I can chop.
我可以砍。
I can do everything much easier without it.
没有它我可以更轻松地做每件事。
So maybe it's a vain thing that I go through all of this.
所以也许我经历这一切都是徒劳的。
A vanity thing?
虚荣的东西？
Mary Archbold Yeah, absolutely.
玛丽·阿奇博尔德 是的，绝对是。
And because I am a performer, it's sort of a professional necessity because otherwise, the only role I'll be called in for is wounded vet who just came home from Afghanistan.
因为我是一名表演者，所以这是一种职业必需品，否则，我唯一会被叫去的角色就是刚从阿富汗回家的受伤兽医。
And this way, I get called in for housewife.
就这样，我被称为家庭主妇。
I get called in for mom.
我被叫去找妈妈。
As for her techniques, for how she manages to misdirect people from noticing her hand, they are all startlingly simple.
至于她的技巧，以及她如何误导人们注意她的手，它们都简单得惊人。
They're so simple that hearing them makes you realize how easily tricked we all are, how unobservant we are in so many situations.
它们是如此简单，以至于听到它们会让你意识到我们是多么容易被欺骗，在很多情况下我们是多么不善于观察。
There are the basics.
有基础知识。
She always wears long sleeves to cover her prosthesis, so only the hand shows.
她总是穿着长袖来遮盖假肢，所以只露出手。
Though the hand is a giveaway.
虽然手是赠品。
It's worn down so the skin is shiny and doesn't look like skin.
它已经磨损，所以皮肤有光泽，看起来不像皮肤。
When she goes out on auditions for choreographers, she does big gestures and expressions.
当她去参加编舞师的试镜时，她会做出夸张的手势和表情。
And it's over so quick, they actually never get a chance to notice that her wrist doesn't bend and her fingers don't move.
而且一切都结束得太快了，他们实际上根本没有机会注意到她的手腕没有弯曲，手指也没有移动。
When she needs to demonstrate poses in Pilates class that would expose the hand and arm and give her away, she just uses one of the students as a model.
当她需要在普拉提课上展示暴露手和手臂并暴露自己的姿势时，她只是以其中一名学生为模特。
And in every situation, professional and personal--
在任何情况下，无论是专业的还是个人的——
I stand on a certain side so that they really only see my real arm.
我站在某一侧，这样他们就只能看到我真正的手臂。
It's all about misdirection.
这都是关于误导的。
If you're looking very busily at my right side, you won't notice that my left side's not doing much.
如果你看着我的右侧非常忙碌，你不会注意到我的左侧没有做太多事情。
What about where you put your hand?
那你的手放在哪里呢？
Would you consciously keep it below people's sight line?
你会自觉地把它放在人们的视线以下吗？
Oh, yes.
哦是的。
Like at a party, I will not hold a drink in my hand.
就像在聚会上一样，我不会手里拿着饮料。
I will take a sip and put it back down, because if I meet somebody, they're going to want to shake my hand.
我会喝一口然后放回去，因为如果我遇到某人，他们会想和我握手。
Oh, I see.
我懂了。
And if you had a drink in your hand, you would have to put the drink down to shake your hand.
如果你手里拿着饮料，你就必须把饮料放下来与你握手。
Right, I wouldn't just-- Ira Glass And that would be unnatural.
是的，我不会只是—— Ira Glass 那是不自然的。
Right.
正确的。
Ira Glass Because normally, what you would do is you'd switch from one hand to the other--
Ira Glass：因为通常情况下，你会做的就是从一只手换到另一只手——
And then shake hands.
然后握手。
Ira Glass And then shake.
Ira Glass 然后摇匀。
But you can't do that.
但你不能那样做。
So you--
所以你——
So I always put a drink down on a table.
所以我总是把饮料放在桌子上。
What else?
还有什么？
Mary Archbold If someone comes at me-- and these are the people, oh, drives me crazy-- where they take both hands.
玛丽·阿奇博尔德：如果有人朝我走来——这些人，哦，让我发疯——他们就会握住双手。
The handholders when they meet people, and they're like, "Oh, it's so nice to meet you!" And they shake your hands, these people scare the hell out of me.
当他们见到别人时，他们会说：“哦，很高兴见到你！”他们和你握手，这些人把我吓坏了。
So I'll how often cut them off at the pass.
所以我会在山口切断他们的频率。
If they're going to reach out for my hands, I'll grab a hand and pretend to spin into them and spin out, like we're dancing.
如果他们要伸手去抓我的手，我会抓住一只手，假装旋转进去然后旋转出来，就像我们在跳舞一样。
Or I say, "I'm a hugger.
或者我说：“我是一个拥抱者。
Give me a hug!"
给我一个拥抱！”
But isn't a hug kind of a dangerous thing, too?
但拥抱不是也很危险吗？
Because if they feel your left arm against them, then--
因为如果他们感觉到你的左臂抵着他们，那么——
It won't touch them.
它不会触及他们。
Ira Glass It won't touch them?
Ira Glass：它不会碰他们吗？
Yes, only my right arm will.
是的，只有我的右臂会。
Ira Glass Is it true that before you were with your husband, you would go out on dates with boys.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：在你和你丈夫在一起之前，你真的会和男孩子约会吗？
And you wouldn't let them know originally?
而且你本来就不让他们知道吗？
Like when they first were going out with you, you didn't let them know?
就像他们第一次和你出去的时候，你没有让他们知道？
That wasn't the first thing you would say?
这不是你说的第一句话？
No, absolutely not.
不，绝对不是。
Ira Glass So how far would it get?
Ira Glass 那么它能走多远呢？
Depends on the guy.
取决于那个人。
I would get physical with certain guys, and we would get a certain amount.
我会和某些人进行身体接触，我们会得到一定的报酬。
And they still wouldn't know.
他们仍然不知道。
But you have your shirt still on, right?
但你的衬衫还穿着，对吧？
But if the shirt came off, funnily, the left sleeve would stay on.
但有趣的是，如果衬衫脱落，左袖会留下来。
So the rest of the shirt could come off, but I would leave the left sleeve on.
所以衬衫的其余部分可能会脱落，但我会保留左袖。
Wait, and they wouldn't notice anything weird?
等等，他们不会注意到有什么奇怪的吗？
I mean, you were a college guy once.
我的意思是，你曾经是一名大学生。
I mean, were you concerned about the left sleeve?
我的意思是，你担心左袖吗？
If there was a shirt open, are you going to be looking?
如果有一件衬衫敞开着，你会去看吗？
"Let me check out her elbow joint and see what that looks like."
“让我检查一下她的肘关节，看看是什么样子。”
But when you're that close to somebody, at some point, your hand touches their left arm, right?
但是当你离某人那么近时，在某些时候，你的手会碰到他们的左臂，对吧？
Like--
就像——
Not if it's under a pillow!
如果放在枕头下面就不行了！
Ira Glass Because it's made of silicon-- not if it's under a pillow?
Ira Glass 因为它是硅制成的——如果放在枕头下面就不行了？
Yes, I would wrap my arm underneath a pillow that would be under their head so that they wouldn't realize that my hard arm is underneath them.
是的，我会把我的手臂放在他们头下的枕头下面，这样他们就不会意识到我坚硬的手臂在他们下面。
And then, with those boys, would there come a point with some of them where you would have to reveal, "Oh, by the way, just one arm?"
然后，对于那些男孩，是否会到了某个时刻，你必须露出，“哦，顺便说一句，只有一只手臂？”
There was one guy that I actually really did like.
有一个人我真的很喜欢。
And we went out on three dates.
我们出去约会了三次。
And on the fourth date-- and we had smoochy-smooched up until then, nothing too much-- but I felt like I needed to come clean with him.
第四次约会时——在那之前我们一直在接吻，没有什么太多——但我觉得我需要向他坦白。
And I did at dinner.
我在晚餐时做了。
And he didn't take it so well.
但他并没有很好地接受这一点。
He came back at me with, "Why do you think so little of me that I would care?"
他回过头来问我：“为什么你对我的评价这么低，我会在意呢？”
That's a good question.
这是个好问题。
What did you say?
你说什么？
I said, "I don't think so little of you." At the time, I said, "Maybe I think so little of me that you wouldn't want me with a prosthetic arm."
我说：“我并没有那么小看你。”当时，我说：“也许我太看不起我了，所以你不会想要我装上假肢。”
Of course, that was long ago.
当然，那是很久以前的事了。
She's performed that whole Jazz Hand show about her experience as a one-armed person and invited her students and all kinds of people she'd been fooling to come and see it.
她表演了整个“爵士之手”节目，讲述了她作为一个独臂人的经历，并邀请她的学生和她欺骗的各种人来观看。
At her wedding, because she had a sleeveless gown, she got opera gloves to conceal her arm.
在她的婚礼上，因为她穿的是无袖礼服，所以她戴上了歌剧手套来遮住手臂。
And she actually had them specially made to be long enough to cover her prosthesis.
事实上，她特意制作了足够长的假肢来覆盖她的假肢。
And then, in the end, she realized that everybody at the wedding already knew the truth.
最后，她意识到婚礼上的每个人都已经知道了真相。
They already knew and accepted her, and she didn't wear the gloves.
他们已经认识并接受了她，而她没有戴手套。
Act two, Objects May be Closer Than They Appear.
第二幕，物体可能比看上去更近。
Anton DiSclafani has this story of a person, a human being, who is completely visible, in plain sight, close, nearby, but utterly, confusingly, confoundingly, frustratingly unreachable.
安东·迪斯克拉法尼（Anton DiSclafani）讲述了一个人的故事，一个人类，他完全可见，在众目睽睽之下，近在咫尺，但完全、令人困惑、令人困惑、令人沮丧地遥不可及。
This February, my husband, Matt, found a wallet on the front steps of our apartment.
今年二月，我的丈夫马特在我们公寓前的台阶上发现了一个钱包。
He was walking our dog.
他正在遛我们的狗。
The wallet looked custom-made, brown leather with braided edges and a Celtic design embossed on the front along with the initials, JJV.
这款钱包看起来是定制的，棕色皮革，带有编织边缘，正面压有凯尔特图案以及缩写 JJV。
It had $300 inside and a license-- Julian Vinegas, which listed a St. Louis address a street away.
里面有 300 美元，还有一张许可证——朱利安·维内加斯 (Julian Vinegas)，上面列出了一条街之外的圣路易斯地址。
"Stolen by someone not interested in cash?"
“被对现金不感兴趣的人偷走了？”
It was a little bit of a mystery how a fully intact wallet came true reside, literally, on our front steps.
一个完整无损的钱包是如何真正存在于我们家门前的台阶上的，这有点神秘。
It went without saying that we would return the wallet and cash to Julian Vinegas.
不用说，我们会把钱包和现金还给朱利安·维内加斯。
I floated the idea of going to the police, but my husband rejected it.
我提出了报警的想法，但被丈夫拒绝了。
" The Wire ," was all he said.
他只说了“电线”。
Most of Matt's knowledge of the police comes from watching The Wire , and the cops on The Wire would've definitely stolen the money.
马特对警察的大部分了解都来自观看《火线》，而《火线》上的警察肯定会偷钱。
I looked for Julian Vinegas on Facebook.
我在 Facebook 上寻找朱利安·维内加斯。
He came up on my first search-- Julian Vinegas, St. Louis, Missouri.
我的第一次搜索中就出现了他——朱利安·维内加斯（Julian Vinegas），密苏里州圣路易斯。
His security settings wouldn't let me post on his wall, so I sent him a message.
他的安全设置不允许我在他的墙上发帖，所以我给他发了一条消息。
This was so easy.
这太容易了。
But why stop there?
但为什么要停在那里呢？
My husband and I went to Julian's apartment.
我和丈夫去了朱利安的公寓。
I pushed the buzzer, and after a couple of long minutes of waiting, a window raised above us.
我按下了门铃，经过几分钟的漫长等待，我们上方升起了一扇窗户。
"Yeah?" a distinctly unfriendly voice called.
“是的？”一个明显不友好的声音叫道。
"Are you Julian Vinegas?" He was not.
“你是朱利安·维内加斯吗？”他不是。
Julian Vinegas had apparently moved, and he didn't leave a forwarding address.
朱利安·维内加斯显然已经搬家了，而且他没有留下转发地址。
When we got home, I checked Facebook.
当我们回到家时，我查看了Facebook。
There was no message from Julian, but there was a post on his wall about a concert he'd been to the night before.
朱利安没有发来消息，但他的墙上贴了一张关于他前一天晚上去过的音乐会的帖子。
"Jane's Addiction was a blast last night.
“昨晚《简的成瘾》真是太棒了。
However, I somehow made it home without my phone, keys, and wallet.
然而，我还是没带手机、钥匙和钱包回到家。
I never lose things!
我从来不丢东西！
WTF.
WTF。
Anybody got any leads?"
有人有线索吗？”
"I have a lead!" I shouted at the computer.
“我有领先优势！”我对着电脑大喊。
"Check your messages!" A little while later, another post.
“查看你的消息！”过了一会儿，又发了一个帖子。
"I'm starting to feel like maybe I stashed them in the house somewhere, but I've checked everywhere-- including the back of the toilet, the oven, and the freezer."
“我开始觉得我可能把它们藏在房子里的某个地方了，但我已经检查了所有地方——包括厕所后面、烤箱和冰箱。”
"Check your messages!" Then I remember that Facebook puts all the messages sent you by people who aren't friends into a folder labeled "other," which many people don't know exists.
“查看你的消息！”然后我记得 Facebook 将非朋友发给你的所有消息放入一个标有“其他”的文件夹中，许多人不知道该文件夹的存在。
I couldn't friend Julian because of his privacy settings.
由于朱利安的隐私设置，我无法加他为好友。
But I could see his friend list, so I friended several of his friends and messaged them.
但我可以看到他的好友列表，所以我加了他的几个好友并给他们发了消息。
And I emailed Julian at likely Gmail addresses-- [email protected] , [email protected] .
我通过可能的 Gmail 地址给 Julian 发送了电子邮件 - [email protected] 、 [email protected] 。
No response.
没有回应。
"You're getting obsessed," my husband said.
“你越来越着迷了，”我丈夫说。
But I was just getting started.
但我才刚刚开始。
There were other leads in Julian's wallet-- three frequent buyer cards from Smoothie King, a coupon card labelled Passport Club that promised 20% off hats at various hat stores, a business card for an attorney, a Sur la Table gift card, a FedEx gift card, a ticket voucher to a local movie theater, a receipt from a record store called Vintage Vinyl, where he bought season six of Weeds , a very faded student ID from the University of Puget Sound.
朱利安的钱包里还有其他线索——三张来自 Smoothie King 的常客卡、一张标有 Passport Club 的优惠卡，承诺在各个帽子店购买帽子可享受 20% 的折扣、一张律师的名片、一张 Sur la Table 礼品卡、一张联邦快递礼品卡、一张当地电影院的门票优惠券、一张来自一家名为 Vintage Vinyl 的唱片店的收据（他在那里购买了《威兹》第六季）、一张来自普吉特海湾大学的褪色的学生证。
I called the University of Puget Sound.
我给普吉特湾大学打了电话。
The woman who answered was certain she would be able to give me Julian's info.
接电话的女士确信她能够向我提供朱利安的信息。
She said the University of Puget Sound kept very good track of its alumni.
她说，普吉特湾大学对其校友进行了很好的跟踪。
But there was no Julian Vinegas in their databases.
但他们的数据库中没有朱利安·维内加斯。
I called Vintage Vinyl, but they'd never heard of Julian Vinegas and had no record of him.
我给 Vintage Vinyl 打了电话，但他们从未听说过 Julian Vinegas，也没有他的记录。
I called the number on the attorney's business card.
我拨打了律师名片上的号码。
But the woman who answered refused to give out any information.
但接电话的女子拒绝透露任何信息。
I called Smoothie King, where Julian had amassed three punch cards.
我给 Smoothie King 打了电话，朱利安在那里收集了三张打孔卡。
The woman there said she had not heard of him, but that I could leave the wallet at the store.
那里的女士说她没有听说过他，但我可以把钱包留在商店。
And if he came back, they'd return it, which seemed like a poor way of doing things for various reasons.
如果他回来了，他们就会归还它，出于各种原因，这似乎是一种糟糕的做事方式。
I still hadn't gotten a reply on Facebook.
我仍然没有在 Facebook 上收到回复。
On Julian's wall, I saw that he went to something called Metal Mondays at a St. Louis bar called Limits.
在朱利安的墙上，我看到他去了圣路易斯一家名为 Limits 的酒吧，参加了名为 Metal Mondays 的活动。
I called the bar and left a message.
我给酒吧打电话并留言。
I thought surely somebody would get back to me-- one of his friends or the bar.
我想肯定有人会回复我——他的朋友或酒吧。
They did not.
他们没有。
I read his wall a dozen times a day.
我每天读他的墙十几遍。
A week passed, and then another.
一周过去了，然后又是一周。
He seemed to have given up on the wallet, mentioned it less and less.
他似乎已经放弃了钱包，越来越少地提起它。
I got to know Julian Vinegas.
我认识了朱利安·维内加斯。
I learned that he hung out with friends a lot.
我了解到他经常和朋友出去玩。
He partied a lot.
他经常参加聚会。
He liked music a lot.
他非常喜欢音乐。
He didn't seem to particularly care about punctuation.
他似乎并不特别在意标点符号。
And though I had so much access to his thoughts, to his whereabouts, I was unable to let him know I existed.
尽管我可以如此频繁地了解他的想法、他的行踪，但我无法让他知道我的存在。
I felt like a stalker.
我感觉自己像个跟踪者。
I felt like a ghost.
我感觉自己像个幽灵。
And then, Julian posted that he was going to a Raekwon concert at the Gargoyle.
然后，朱利安发帖说他要去石像鬼举行 Raekwon 音乐会。
"This is it!" I thought.
“就是这个了！”我想。
"If he's not there, I'll turn over the wallet to the police, crooked cops be damned." Matt, who had become my unwilling accomplice, sat with me at the bottom of the stairs at the Gargoyle.
“如果他不在那里，我就把钱包交给警察，可恶的警察都该死。”马特不情愿地成了我的帮凶，他和我一起坐在石像鬼餐厅的楼梯底下。
I knew exactly what Julian looked like, because I had looked at dozens of his pictures.
我确切地知道朱利安长什么样，因为我看过他的几十张照片。
But just to be safe, I asked men if they were Julian even when they only vaguely resembled him.
但为了安全起见，我问男人他们是否是朱利安，即使他们只是隐约地像他。
One guy told me, "No." And his friend yelled out, "But he could be!"
一个人告诉我：“不。”他的朋友喊道：“但他可能是！”
We waited.
我们等待着。
The concert was going to start soon, and I didn't have any proof that Julian was going to be there except a Facebook post from a few days before.
音乐会即将开始，除了几天前的 Facebook 帖子之外，我没有任何证据表明朱利安会在那里。
And he had been out since 3:31 AM last night, so I thought maybe he was tired?
他昨晚从凌晨 3:31 就出去了，所以我想他可能累了？
Then, he walked down the stairs.
然后，他走下了楼梯。
I recognized him immediately.
我立刻认出了他。
"Are you Julian Vinegas?" I asked.
“你是朱利安·维内加斯吗？”我问。
Before he could even confirm that he was Julian Vinegas, I handed him his wallet.
在他确认自己是朱利安·维内加斯之前，我把钱包递给了他。
"Wow," he said.
“哇，”他说。
Immediately, he tried to give me $40, which I didn't take.
他立即试图给我 40 美元，但我没有接受。
He seemed happy to see his wallet, but not euphoric.
他似乎很高兴看到自己的钱包，但并不高兴。
This moment, a complete stranger not only finding his wallet but going to such great lengths to return it, somehow did not seem as improbable to him as to me.
这一刻，一个完全陌生的人不仅找到了他的钱包，而且不遗余力地归还它，不知怎的，对他来说，这似乎不像对我来说那么不可能。
We chatted for a few minutes.
我们聊了几分钟。
It was kind of like meeting a celebrity.
这有点像遇见名人。
You think it will just be so incredible that your mind won't be able to handle actually meeting someone who you know so much about.
你认为这太不可思议了，以至于你的大脑无法处理真正见到一个你非常了解的人。
And then it's like, yeah, your mind does handle it.
然后就好像，是的，你的头脑确实能处理它。
Julian had moved two blocks away from me to another apartment.
朱利安搬到了离我两个街区远的另一间公寓。
He'd lost the same exact wallet twice before.
同一个钱包他之前已经丢失过两次了。
"Really?" I asked.
“真的吗？”我问。
"Yes," he said, "and it always gets returned to me like a boomerang." I wanted to say, "No, it is not like a boomerang.
“是的，”他说，“它总是像回旋镖一样回到我身边。”我想说，“不，它不像回旋镖。
It got returned to you because the wallet became my problem, and I focused my obsessive mind on it and went to lengths that most people would not." But I didn't say that.
它被退还给你是因为钱包成了我的问题，我把我的执念集中在它上面，并付出了大多数人不会做的努力。”但我没有这么说。
We saw things differently, he and I.
他和我，我们对事物的看法不同。
And I realized, standing there, that I didn't know Julian Vinegas at all.
我站在那里意识到我根本不认识朱利安·维内加斯。
I thought I did.
我以为我做到了。
But I didn't.
但我没有。
Anton DiSclafani.
安东·迪斯克拉法尼。
Her book, The Yonahlossee Writing Camp for Girls , comes out next summer.
她的书《Yonahlossee 女孩写作营》将于明年夏天出版。
Coming up, Coke Brothers.
来了，可乐兄弟。
And by that, of course, I mean guys who sell cocaine for a living and how a guy who they knew and trusted sent them to prison.
当然，我指的是那些以贩卖可卡因为生的人，以及他们认识和信任的人如何将他们送进监狱的人。
Car-tel Talk in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续时，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将立即推出 Car-tel Talk。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Hiding in Plain Sight, stories of people doing just that.
今天的节目《隐藏在众目睽睽之下》讲述了人们这样做的故事。
We've arrived at act three of our show.
我们已经到了演出的第三幕了。
Act three, The Seven Year Snitch.
第三幕，七年飞贼。
At its height in the early '90s, the Cali drug cartel controlled 80% of all the cocaine in the world.
卡利贩毒集团在 90 年代初达到鼎盛时期，控制了世界上 80% 的可卡因。
It was a $7 billion a year international business.
这是一项每年价值 70 亿美元的国际业务。
But the cartel collapsed.
但卡特尔崩溃了。
Its former leaders went to prison, mostly because of one man, a high-ranking cartel insider who decided that he wanted out, and he went to the authorities.
它的前领导人入狱，主要是因为一名男子，一名卡特尔高级内部人士决定退出，然后他向当局举报。
Though I have to say that "going to the authorities" is nothing like a guy in Jersey ratting out a mafia boss here in the United States.
但我不得不说，“去找当局”并不像泽西岛的一个人在美国出卖黑手党老大。
This was Columbia, a country with no functioning judicial system.
这是哥伦比亚，一个没有正常运作的司法系统的国家。
The cartel had bought off Colombian cops, prosecutors, politicians, judges.
该卡特尔收买了哥伦比亚警察、检察官、政客和法官。
Karen Lowe tells the story of the man who stood up to all of that while staying and working right under the noses of the Cali godfathers.
凯伦·洛 (Karen Lowe) 讲述了一个在卡利教父眼皮底下工作并勇敢面对这一切的人的故事。
The man who took down the Cali cartel was named Jorge Salcedo.
推翻卡利贩毒集团的人名叫豪尔赫·萨尔塞多（Jorge Salcedo）。
He's in witness protection in the US now.
他现在在美国接受证人保护。
In order to talk to him, my producer and I met him at a hotel near the beach in Southern California.
为了和他交谈，我和我的制片人在南加州海滩附近的一家酒店见到了他。
Jorge was a little nervous around the mic.
豪尔赫在麦克风前有点紧张。
Is it going to be that close all the time?
会一直那么接近吗？
It will be that close, yeah, yeah.
会那么接近，是的，是的。
Yeah,
是的，
You're going to be tired.
你会很累的。
Producer I will get tired.
制作人我会累的。
That's true.
这是真的。
Jorge Salcedo is a greying, soft-spoken engineer who loves literature and tinkering with things.
豪尔赫·萨尔塞多 (Jorge Salcedo) 是一位头发花白、说话轻声细语的工程师，热爱文学和修补事物。
And that's who he was before all this started.
这就是这一切开始之前的他。
He was doing well in Colombia.
他在哥伦比亚表现得很好。
He ran an assembly line that made car batteries.
他经营着一条生产汽车电池的装配线。
He was designing a way to recycle motor oil.
他正在设计一种回收机油的方法。
And he was bored.
他很无聊。
Jorge's father had been a high ranking member of the military.
豪尔赫的父亲曾是一名高级军官。
And now, in his 40s, Jorge wanted that kind of prestige and adventure.
现在，40 多岁的豪尔赫想要那种威望和冒险。
So he joined the Colombian Army Reserves, became a surveillance and intelligence specialist.
于是他加入了哥伦比亚陆军预备役，成为一名监视和情报专家。
And then, one day in 1989, Jorge was working at his battery factory in Bogota when he got a visit from an old friend.
1989 年的一天，豪尔赫正在波哥大的电池工厂工作，一位老朋友来拜访他。
The guy's name was Mario del Basto.
这个人的名字叫马里奥·德尔·巴斯托。
Mario had recently quit the military, and he had a request for Jorge.
马里奥最近退伍了，他对豪尔赫有一个请求。
Here's how Jorge recalls it.
以下是豪尔赫的回忆。
He just came to my office.
他刚刚来到我的办公室。
And he was very secretive about what was going to happen.
他对将要发生的事情守口如瓶。
He told me, "You need to come with me to Cali." I said, "Where are we going?" "I'll tell you later.
他告诉我，“你需要跟我一起去卡利。”我说：“我们要去哪里？” “我稍后再告诉你。
Just come, don't ask me." I trusted him so much that I said, "I don't see anything bad."
你就来吧，别问我。”我非常信任他，所以我说：“我没有看到任何不好的地方。”
And he said, "We're going to go to The Intercontinental Hotel, and they're going to be calling us.
他说：“我们要去洲际酒店，他们会打电话给我们。
And just wait for what they're going to tell us, because frankly, I don't know what it is."
等待他们会告诉我们什么，因为坦白说，我不知道那是什么。”
The people who were going to be calling were members of the Cali cartel.
打电话的人是卡利贩毒集团的成员。
Since leaving the military, Mario had gone to work for the cartel, and Jorge knew that.
离开军队后，马里奥就去卡特尔工作，豪尔赫知道这一点。
But he got on the plane with Mario anyhow.
但无论如何他还是和马里奥一起上了飞机。
I asked Jorge why.
我问豪尔赫为什么。
Jorge said he suspected that he might be meeting with some mid-level Cali guys, and that seemed OK with him.
豪尔赫说，他怀疑自己可能会与一些卡利中层人员会面，他觉得这没问题。
It intrigued him.
这引起了他的兴趣。
He thought it might even be a business opportunity.
他认为这甚至可能是一个商机。
I kept asking Jorge to clarify.
我一直要求豪尔赫澄清。
Do you think it was OK to do business with the drug cartel?
你认为与贩毒集团做生意可以吗？
You're asking me?
你在问我吗？
I see that your questions go to, "How can he accept something like this?" to, "How corrupt is he already?" But when you are a Colombian, you get used to something that is not conceivable other ways.
我看到你的问题是：“他怎么能接受这样的事情？”到“他已经腐败到什么程度了？”但当你是哥伦比亚人时，你就会习惯一些其他方式无法想象的事情。
Our country has never been in peace.
我们的国家从来就没有太平过。
I have been all the time living under violent circumstances.
我一直生活在暴力的环境下。
When he got to Cali, Jorge was surprised to find that his meeting was not with some mid-level guys, but with the cartel's four godfathers.
当他到达卡利时，豪尔赫惊讶地发现他会见的不是一些中层人员，而是卡特尔的四位教父。
And what they wanted from him was equally surprising.
他们想要从他身上得到的东西同样令人惊讶。
They wanted help in their war with the Medellin cartel.
他们在与麦德林贩毒集团的战争中需要帮助。
You've probably heard of Pablo Escobar, the ruthless leader of the Medellin cartel.
您可能听说过巴勃罗·埃斯科瓦尔（Pablo Escobar），他是麦德林贩毒集团的残酷头目。
They wanted Jorge to help them kill him.
他们希望豪尔赫帮助他们杀死他。
I was introduced by Mario who just said, "Gentlemen, here is Jorge Salcedo, the person whom I told you about." And the first sentences ever pronounced, "Well, we have been told about your connections with a group of mercenaries in England."
马里奥介绍了我，他说道：“先生们，这是豪尔赫·萨尔塞多，就是我向你们介绍过的那个人。”第一句话是：“好吧，我们被告知你与英格兰的一群雇佣兵有联系。”
This is why they reached out to Jorge.
这就是他们联系豪尔赫的原因。
While he was in the Army Reserves, Jorge had come in contact with a group of British mercenaries, a crew of about a dozen men who ran secretive, off-the-books missions.
当豪尔赫在陆军预备役时，他接触过一群英国雇佣兵，这群人约有十几人，执行着秘密的、不公开的任务。
Jorge was their primary contact in Colombia, and the cartel knew that.
豪尔赫是他们在哥伦比亚的主要联系人，卡特尔知道这一点。
They wanted to hire these British mercenaries to kill Escobar.
他们想雇佣这些英国雇佣兵来杀死埃斯科巴。
They told Jorge--
他们告诉豪尔赫——
"As you know, we've been attacked by Pablo Escobar.
“如你所知，我们遭到了巴勃罗·埃斯科瓦尔的攻击。
And we're very worried for our families." And then, they were very explicit with their plans.
我们非常担心我们的家人。”然后，他们非常明确地表达了自己的计划。
They got very much in detail.
他们得到了非常详细的信息。
They said, "We're going to get him in this place." It was already a plan that they had developed.
他们说：“我们要把他带到这个地方。”这已经是他们制定的计划了。
So when I was told, "This is what we're going to do," at that moment, I knew they had made me aware of a big secret.
因此，当我被告知“这就是我们要做的”时，那一刻，我知道他们让我意识到了一个大秘密。
And I had no way out.
而我却没有退路。
No way out.
没有出路。
I know, this is the way it always happens in the movies, right?
我知道，电影里总是这样，对吧？
But it's true.
但这是真的。
The cartel had just laid out a plan to kill Escobar in a very detailed way.
卡特尔刚刚制定了一个非常详细的杀死埃斯科巴的计划。
And now Jorge knew.
现在豪尔赫知道了。
Jorge says at that moment the conversation in his head went something like this.
豪尔赫说，当时他脑子里的对话是这样的。
"I'll help take down Escobar, but I won't be involved in any drug trafficking or anything dirty.
“我会帮助打倒埃斯科瓦尔，但我不会参与任何贩毒或任何肮脏的事情。
Once Escobar's gone, I'll take my money, leave, maybe start my own security business."
一旦埃斯科巴走了，我就会带着我的钱离开，也许会开始我自己的安全业务。”
I asked him over and over again about this.
我一遍又一遍地问他这个问题。
And he kept saying, "You pretty much have to be a Colombian to understand." Escobar was out of control, murdering people on a scale that was shocking, even for a drug lord.
他一直说：“你必须是哥伦比亚人才能理解。”埃斯科瓦尔失去了控制，杀人的规模令人震惊，即使对于毒枭来说也是如此。
One notorious incident, he blew up an airliner with 107 people on it because he wanted to kill one man, a presidential candidate who, it turned out, wasn't even on the plane.
在一次臭名昭著的事件中，他炸毁了一架载有 107 人的客机，因为他想杀死一名男子，一名总统候选人，但事实证明，这名男子根本不在飞机上。
Escobar was terrorizing the country.
埃斯科瓦尔正在恐吓这个国家。
So Jorge did want Escobar dead.
所以豪尔赫确实希望埃斯科巴死。
Nearly everyone did.
几乎每个人都这么做了。
Over the next four years, with the help of the British mercenaries, the cartel tried twice to kill Pablo Escobar.
在接下来的四年里，在英国雇佣兵的帮助下，贩毒集团两次试图杀死巴勃罗·埃斯科巴。
But they didn't succeed.
但他们没有成功。
Eventually, Escobar was killed in a shootout with Colombian authorities in 1993.
最终，埃斯科瓦尔在 1993 年与哥伦比亚当局的枪战中身亡。
Meanwhile, Jorge had risen to chief of security for the Cali cartel.
与此同时，豪尔赫已晋升为卡利贩毒集团的安全主管。
Now his job was to protect the head godfather, Miguel Rodriguez Orejuela, his four wives, and all their children.
现在他的工作是保护首席教父米格尔·罗德里格斯·奥雷胡埃拉、他的四位妻子以及他们所有的孩子。
My presence was required every time that he was going to move.
每次他要搬家时都需要我在场。
He would tell me in advance what sort of movements were expected.
他会提前告诉我预计会有什么样的动作。
Jorge was actually into the work.
豪尔赫实际上很投入这项工作。
It gave him a way to indulge his military and technical skills.
这给了他一种发挥军事和技术技能的方式。
But he was originally hired to help kill Escobar.
但他最初是被雇来帮助杀死埃斯科瓦尔的。
So the day after the authorities shot him, Jorge asked to speak with Miguel, the head of the cartel.
因此，在当局枪杀他的第二天，豪尔赫要求与贩毒集团头目米格尔交谈。
And basically, the conversation was, "My mission is over.
基本上，对话是，“我的任务结束了。
I'm happy to see that nothing happened to your family, to yourself.
我很高兴看到你的家人和你自己都没有出事。
But it is the time for me to retake the original life that I had years ago."
但现在是我重新过上多年前的生活的时候了。”
And he said, "No, no, no, Jorge.
他说：“不，不，不，豪尔赫。
You're very valuable to us.
你对我们来说非常有价值。
Don't even think about it.
想都别想。
Much better times are coming." They had some sort of gratitude for what I had done, but on the other hand, it may be that gratitude was that if he leaves, he knows too much and I have to do something else.
更好的时代即将到来。”他们对我所做的事情有某种感激之情，但另一方面，这种感激之情可能是如果他离开了，他知道的太多了，我就必须做点别的事情了。
I didn't look at that under that perspective.
我没有从这个角度来看这个问题。
Really?
真的吗？
In all that time, it didn't occur to you that you had too much knowledge to leave?
一直以来，你就没有想过你有太多的知识要离开吗？
However he justified his role-- for instance, Jorge says he never saw drugs, he didn't touch a gram of the stuff-- there was no way he could escape the violence.
无论他如何证明自己的角色是正当的——例如，豪尔赫说他从未见过毒品，他没有碰过一克毒品——他无法逃脱暴力。
He heard about grisly murders and cartel assassins.
他听说了可怕的谋杀案和卡特尔刺客。
Once, he was at a hacienda as four suspected snitches in other rooms were strangled and then disemboweled.
有一次，他在一个庄园里，其他房间的四名可疑告密者被勒死，然后被开膛破肚。
And I just said, "Next is me, maybe in this very night." So that was a time where also I said, "Oh my god, I don't belong here.
我只是说，“下一个是我，也许就在今晚。”所以那一刻我也说：“天哪，我不属于这里。
This is not my world.
这不是我的世界。
What am I doing here?"
我在这里做什么？”
Jorge was stuck in a cartel that was growing quickly.
豪尔赫被困在一个迅速发展的卡特尔中。
With Escobar gone and his organization in disarray, the Cali cartel soaked up Medellin's drug business.
随着埃斯科巴的离开和他的组织的混乱，卡利贩毒集团吞并了麦德林的毒品生意。
A US Justice Department official told Congress that, at its peak, the cartel was, quote, "The most prolific and successful criminal enterprise in history."
一位美国司法部官员告诉国会，该卡特尔在其鼎盛时期是“历史上最多产、最成功的犯罪企业”。
But there was one way the cartel was still vulnerable.
但有一个方面，该卡特尔仍然很脆弱。
If you could get cartel members extradited to the United States, then they could be prosecuted for bringing drugs into the country.
如果你可以将贩毒集团成员引渡到美国，那么他们可能会因为将毒品带入美国而受到起诉。
And while Colombia was notoriously soft on the cartels, the US had no problem handing down tough sentences.
尽管哥伦比亚对卡特尔的态度软弱是出了名的，但美国却毫不犹豫地做出了严厉的判决。
But in the early 1990s, the cartels found a way around that, too.
但在 20 世纪 90 年代初，卡特尔也找到了解决办法。
Colombia outlawed extradition, made it unconstitutional.
哥伦比亚宣布引渡为非法，违反宪法。
Cali cartel attorneys had actually helped craft the law's language.
卡利卡特尔律师实际上帮助制定了法律的语言。
But the extradition ban didn't cover everyone in the cartel.
但引渡禁令并未涵盖卡特尔中的所有人。
There was a kind of loophole.
有一个漏洞。
William Rempel is a reporter who spent more than 10 years reporting Jorge's story for a book he wrote called At the Devil's Table .
威廉·伦佩尔 (William Rempel) 是一名记者，他花了 10 多年的时间报道豪尔赫的故事，并撰写了一本名为《在魔鬼的桌子上》的书。
There's a technicality, and the law also included the fact that this protection extended only to Colombians-- Colombian citizens.
有一个技术性问题，法律还包括这样一个事实：这种保护仅适用于哥伦比亚人——哥伦比亚公民。
So anybody in the Cali cartel-- and they employed Guatemalans, Cubans, Chileans, Argentinians-- all of those members of the cartel were still subject to extradition.
因此，卡利卡特尔中的任何人——他们雇用了危地马拉人、古巴人、智利人、阿根廷人——卡特尔的所有这些成员仍然受到引渡。
And some of those people had risen to high places.
其中一些人已经升到了很高的职位。
First among these people in high places was the cartel's accountant, Guillermo Pallomari.
这些身居高位的人中，首当其冲的是卡特尔的会计师吉列尔莫·帕洛马里(Guillermo Pallomari)。
Pallomari was Chilean, which meant he could be extradited.
帕洛马里是智利人，这意味着他可以被引渡。
He also had intimate knowledge and computerized records of all the cartel's transactions, including bribes to officials.
他还对卡特尔的所有交易（包括对官员的贿赂）了如指掌，并拥有计算机化记录。
If the authorities nabbed Pallomari, they'd have a blueprint of nearly every act of corruption the cartel was involved in.
如果当局逮捕了帕洛马里，他们就会掌握该卡特尔参与的几乎所有腐败行为的蓝图。
He presented such a risk to the cartel that they asked him to go into hiding.
他给贩毒集团带来了巨大的风险，以至于贩毒集团要求他躲藏起来。
The Cali godfather, Miguel Rodriguez Orejuela, wasn't one to accept risks like this.
卡利教父米格尔·罗德里格斯·奥雷胡埃拉不会接受这样的风险。
Miguel was a no-nonsense kind of guy dubbed The Lemon because of his sour disposition.
米格尔是一个严肃的人，因为他的脾气不好，被称为“柠檬”。
And even though Miguel liked Pallomari, Miguel knew something had to be done.
尽管米格尔喜欢帕洛马里，但米格尔知道必须采取一些行动。
So he talked to Jorge.
于是他与豪尔赫交谈。
Miguel tells me, very sadly, "You know, Pallomari has served us very much.
米格尔非常悲伤地告诉我，“你知道，帕洛马里为我们提供了很多帮助。
But we have agreed that he needs to die.
但我们一致认为他需要死。
So there is a killer with the name of Yusti.
于是就有了一个名叫尤斯蒂的杀手。
And it's your task to coordinate with this killer that he kills him." At that particular moment, I was praying.
而你的任务就是与这个杀手协调，让他杀死他。”在那一刻，我正在祈祷。
I was saying, "Oh my God, you work it out so I will not do this.
我当时说：“天哪，你解决一下，这样我就不会这样做了。
Just help me.
帮帮我吧。
I'm not going to do it."
我不会这么做。”
On the other side, I was just being a candidate for an Oscar Award by my performance.
另一方面，我只是凭借我的表演成为奥斯卡奖的候选人。
I said, "No problem.
我说：“没问题。
I'll take care of the thing."
我会处理这件事。”
Jorge actually kind of hated Guillermo Pallomari.
豪尔赫实际上有点讨厌吉列尔莫·帕洛马里。
The accountant had been behind some business decisions for the cartel that he disagreed with, and he thought Pallomari had a tendency to be sloppy.
该会计师曾支持卡特尔的一些商业决策，但他并不同意，他认为帕洛马里有马虎的倾向。
But still, Jorge says he never ordered anyone to be killed.
但豪尔赫表示，他从未下令杀害任何人。
Going after Escobar was one thing.
追捕埃斯科瓦尔是一回事。
He was a national menace.
他是一个国家威胁。
But this was different.
但这不一样。
So he says he made up his mind.
所以他说他已经下定决心了。
He wasn't going to kill Pallomari.
他不会杀死帕洛马里。
That left him two options.
这给他留下了两个选择。
He could leave or, reporter William Rempel says, he could take down the entire Cali drug cartel.
他可以离开，或者，记者威廉·伦佩尔说，他可以摧毁整个卡利贩毒集团。
He choose option number two.
他选择了第二个选项。
And the only way to bring down the cartel would be to actually save the life of the accountant who could deliver such a terrible blow to the inner secrets of the cartel, and to help the United States and the Colombian government capture Miguel, the boss of the bosses.
而摧毁卡特尔的唯一方法就是真正拯救能够对卡特尔内部秘密造成如此可怕打击的会计师的生命，并帮助美国和哥伦比亚政府抓获老板中的老板米格尔。
How was Jorge going to do this?
豪尔赫要怎么做呢？
He couldn't trust anyone in Colombia.
他无法信任哥伦比亚的任何人。
There was no way to know who might be working for the cartel.
无法知道谁可能为卡特尔工作。
And so Jorge did the only thing he could think of, the same thing you or I or the average seventh grader might think of if we needed help taking down an international crime syndicate.
因此豪尔赫做了他唯一能想到的事情，如果我们需要帮助打击国际犯罪集团，你或我或普通七年级学生可能会想到同样的事情。
Jorge went to a phone booth he knew wasn't tapped and called the CIA.
豪尔赫去了一个他知道没有被窃听的电话亭，给中央情报局打电话。
He didn't know anyone at the CIA, of course, so he called the main number for CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
当然，他在中央情报局不认识任何人，所以他拨打了位于弗吉尼亚州兰利的中央情报局总部的总机号码。
He got the front desk.
他到了前台。
Let me tell you what I said.
让我告诉你我说了什么。
I said, "I am calling from Cali, Columbia.
我说：“我是从哥伦比亚卡利打来的。
And I just have very valuable information about the head of the Cali cartel, and I--"
我刚刚掌握了关于卡利贩毒集团头目的非常有价值的信息，而且我——”
The operator asked him for the name of the person he wanted to talk to.
接线员询问他想要交谈的人的姓名。
He explained he didn't have that.
他解释说他没有那个。
"How about an extension?" she said.
“延长期限怎么样？”她说。
Well, no. He didn't have that either.
嗯，不。他也没有那个。
Again, William Rempel.
又是威廉·伦佩尔。
It ended with her saying, "Well, maybe you should call back when you know who you want to talk to."
最后她说：“好吧，也许你应该在知道自己想和谁说话后再打过来。”
I walk across the square.
我走过广场。
And then again, I was myself praying, help me, God.
然后，我又在祈祷，上帝啊，请帮助我。
I'm totally alone.
我完全孤身一人。
There's nothing I can do.
我无能为力。
Then, Jorge stumbled on one another long-shot solution.
然后，豪尔赫偶然发现了另一种可能性不大的解决方案。
He knew a lawyer in Florida who had done some work for the cartel, and Jorge happened to read in the newspaper that US authorities were after the lawyer.
他认识佛罗里达州的一位律师，曾为卡特尔做过一些工作，豪尔赫碰巧在报纸上读到美国当局正在追捕这位律师。
So Jorge contacted the attorney with a pretty simple proposition.
于是豪尔赫联系了律师，提出了一个非常简单的建议。
Put me in touch with American authorities, and I'll talk.
让我与美国当局联系，我会谈谈。
And they'll be so grateful to you, it'll get you leniency.
他们会非常感激你，会给你宽大处理。
This worked.
这有效。
The lawyer knew someone in US Customs in Miami.
该律师认识迈阿密美国海关的某人。
That person knew someone in the Drug Enforcement Administration.
那人认识缉毒局的某人。
Soon, Jorge was on the phone with two DEA agents, David Mitchell and Chris Feistl, who were already on the ground in Colombia.
很快，豪尔赫就与两名缉毒局特工大卫·米切尔和克里斯·费斯特尔通了电话，他们已经在哥伦比亚了。
They agreed to meet in a cane field 45 minutes outside of Cali.
他们同意在距离卡利 45 分钟路程的甘蔗地里见面。
But Chris says Jorge had a few demands.
但克里斯说豪尔赫有一些要求。
Jorge was scared of any Colombians, because they might be collaborating with the cartel.
豪尔赫害怕任何哥伦比亚人，因为他们可能与贩毒集团合作。
Well, before we got there, Jorge said on the phone that he had two conditions to us meeting.
好吧，在我们到达那里之前，豪尔赫在电话里说他有两个条件要我们见面。
One was he said you have to come alone.
一是他说你必须一个人来。
And I said, "There's no way I'm coming alone.
我说：“我不可能一个人来。
I'm coming with my partner.
我和我的伙伴一起来。
We don't go anywhere by ourselves in Cali." And he said, "OK, that was fine." But then, he also said, "I don't want to see anybody who's Colombian.
在卡利，我们不会自己去任何地方。”他说：“好吧，那很好。”但随后，他也说：“我不想看到任何哥伦比亚人。
If you bring a Colombian with you or someone who even appears to be Colombian, the deal's off."
如果你带了一个哥伦比亚人或者一个看起来是哥伦比亚人的人，那么交易就结束了。”
And I told him, "Jorge, don't worry.
我告诉他：“乔治，别担心。
When you see us, you won't be disappointed."
当你看到我们时，你不会失望的。”
Both agents were blond, both over 6' tall.
两名特工都是金发碧眼，身高都超过 6 英尺。
And when Jorge arrived and he started walking up to us, and my partner, Dave, said, "Hey, Jorge, are we American enough looking for you?" And that kind of broke the ice, because it was obviously a tension-filled moment for him as well as for us.
当豪尔赫到达并开始向我们走来时，我的搭档戴夫说：“嘿，豪尔赫，我们够美国人找你吗？”这打破了僵局，因为这对他和我们来说显然都是一个充满紧张的时刻。
And Jorge smiled, and he laughed a little bit.
豪尔赫笑了，他笑了一点。
And we got down to business.
我们开始谈正事。
First, they went after Miguel.
首先，他们追捕米格尔。
Other cartel members had recently been nabbed, and Miguel was getting paranoid-- so paranoid that he didn't let his own security chief, Jorge, know which apartment he was staying in.
其他卡特尔成员最近被捕，米格尔变得偏执起来——偏执到他不让自己的安全主管豪尔赫知道他住在哪间公寓。
Jorge knew the building, but nothing more.
豪尔赫知道这座建筑，但仅此而已。
But Jorge told the agents that Miguel liked to work very late.
但豪尔赫告诉经纪人，米格尔喜欢工作到很晚。
They did some nighttime surveillance and noticed that the lights stayed on in only two apartments-- one on the fourth floor and one on the eighth floor.
他们做了一些夜间监视，发现只有两间公寓的灯还亮着——一间位于四楼，一间位于八楼。
So one night, Jorge calls Miguel's driver.
一天晚上，豪尔赫给米格尔的司机打电话。
The lights flick on.
灯亮了。
It's the fourth floor.
这是四楼。
They had him.
他们拥有他。
Three days later on the morning of July 15, 1995, the two DEA agents rolled into the neighborhood with dozens of hidden Colombian National Police-- hidden, Chris says, the only way they could think of.
三天后，即 1995 年 7 月 15 日上午，两名 DEA 特工带着数十名哥伦比亚国家警察潜入附近地区——克里斯说，这是他们能想到的唯一办法。
We wanted to get something that would kind of fit in at that hour of the morning.
我们想要一些适合早上那个时间的东西。
And the best thing that we could come up with would be chicken trucks.
我们能想到的最好的办法就是运鸡车。
It was a pretty messy situation, and some of the troops were not very happy.
场面相当混乱，一些部队不太高兴。
I don't think it was a very comfortable ride for them.
我不认为这对他们来说是一次非常舒适的旅程。
Jorge didn't go on the raid.
豪尔赫没有参加突袭。
He kept his distance to maintain his cover and waited for his phone to ring.
他保持距离以保持隐蔽，等待手机响起。
The first call he got was from one of his security guys in the cartel.
他接到的第一个电话是卡特尔中的一名保安打来的。
I got an early call from somebody saying they had penetrated the area and they're going to be searching the apartment.
我很早就接到有人打来的电话，说他们已经渗透到该地区，并且要搜查公寓。
So although he initiated the raid on the apartment, Jorge was still the cartel security chief.
因此，尽管豪尔赫发起了对公寓的突袭，但他仍然是卡特尔安全负责人。
And he had a job to do.
他还有工作要做。
He told his men to get out of there, it was too late.
他告诉他的手下离开那里，但已经太晚了。
They couldn't save Miguel.
他们无法拯救米格尔。
And my instruction was everybody leave the area.
我的指示是所有人离开该地区。
I don't want anybody arrested for any reason.
我不希望任何人因任何原因被捕。
I was warning my people, but I was more than warning.
我是在警告我的人民，但我不仅仅是警告。
I was covering up myself.
我正在掩饰自己。
I was just playing the charade.
我只是在玩猜谜游戏。
And then, a problem.
然后，一个问题。
The DEA had kept the target of the raid a secret from Colombian authorities till the last minute.
美国缉毒署直到最后一刻才对哥伦比亚当局保密此次突袭的目标。
And now, a Colombian prosecutor met them at the building and told the DEA they didn't have the right paperwork to raid Miguel's apartment.
现在，一名哥伦比亚检察官在大楼里与他们会面，并告诉缉毒局，他们没有适当的文件来突击搜查米格尔的公寓。
For 90 minutes, the DEA waited, frustrated.
DEA 沮丧地等待了 90 分钟。
Once the paperwork was finally fixed and the DEA made it into the apartment, three people were there-- two housekeepers and Miguel's driver.
当文书工作最终完成并且缉毒局进入公寓时，三个人就在那里——两名管家和米格尔的司机。
Jorge had told the DEA, if you see the driver, Miguel is there.
豪尔赫告诉缉毒局，如果你看到司机，米格尔就在那里。
The driver was always with Miguel.
司机总是和米格尔在一起。
I turned to my partner, Dave, and I said, "We're in the right place.
我转向我的搭档戴夫，说道：“我们来对地方了。
He's here.
他在这里。
Now, we just need to find him."
现在，我们只需要找到他。”
They searched all the rooms and grilled Miguel's driver.
他们搜查了所有房间并盘问了米格尔的司机。
Nothing.
没有什么。
Meanwhile, across town, Jorge was hanging out with the cartel members at a bakery, trying to look like the security boss while also picking up clues to feed the agents.
与此同时，在城的另一边，豪尔赫正在一家面包店里与卡特尔成员闲逛，试图让自己看起来像保安老板，同时也收集线索来喂养特工。
He walked over to Miguel's son to demonstrate his concern.
他走到米格尔的儿子身边表达他的关心。
I just came to ask, "Is there anything you know?" He said, "No, nothing.
我只是来问：“你知道什么吗？”他说：“不，没什么。
He's inside there, but hopefully he will go into his vault." And I said, "Does he have a vault?" "Oh, yeah, he does." "OK, so let's pray for the best and wait.
他就在里面，但希望他能进入他的金库。”我说：“他有保险库吗？” “哦，是的，他确实这么做了。” “好吧，让我们祈祷最好的结果并等待。
There's nothing we can do about that." And at that time, a beeper started sounding coming from the agents.
我们对此无能为力。”就在这时，特工处传来了蜂鸣声。
He goes to a pay phone and contacts the agents.
他使用公用电话联系了特工。
Again here's Chris.
克里斯又来了。
And then, after hours of Jorge sitting there and hearing different bits of information, we were able to learn that there was a secret compartment in the apartment, and that it may have been in one of the bathrooms.
然后，豪尔赫坐在那里听了几个小时，听到了不同的信息，我们得知公寓里有一个秘密隔间，而且可能在其中一间浴室里。
And once concealed inside that secret compartment, it would be very difficult for us to find.
而一旦藏在那个密室里，我们就很难发现了。
So they checked the bathrooms.
于是他们检查了浴室。
Again, nothing.
再说一次，什么也没有。
Hours passed.
几个小时过去了。
The Colombians involved in the raid got so bored that they started watching soccer on one of Miguel's big screen TVs.
参与突袭的哥伦比亚人感到非常无聊，他们开始在米格尔的一台大屏幕电视上观看足球比赛。
But Jorge managed to give the agents one additional clue.
但豪尔赫设法给特工们提供了另一条线索。
Jorge told them to compare Miguel's apartment with the others in the building, see if any differences stood out.
豪尔赫让他们将米格尔的公寓与大楼内的其他公寓进行比较，看看是否有任何明显差异。
Chris noticed one of the bathrooms wasn't like the others.
克里斯注意到其中一间浴室与其他浴室不同。
It was smaller.
它更小。
And one of the cabinet doors seemed off.
其中一扇柜门似乎关了。
It hit the toilet when you tried to open it.
当你试图打开马桶时，它撞到了马桶上。
And I got down on the floor.
然后我就倒在了地板上。
And first of all, I noticed that the floor was wet, that someone had urinated on the floor.
首先，我注意到地板是湿的，有人在地板上小便。
And I thought, "Well, either they were just being sloppy or that was a sign that they didn't want anybody to really get down on the ground and start looking around." So I got down on the floor.
我想，“好吧，要么他们只是太草率了，要么这表明他们不希望任何人真正脚踏实地并开始环顾四周。”于是我就趴在了地板上。
And as I was looking under one of the cabinets, I was able to see a very thin tube, like a plastic tube, coming out of the wall under the cabinet and up under the sink.
当我查看其中一个橱柜下方时，我看到一根非常细的管子，就像塑料管一样，从橱柜下方的墙壁中伸出，一直延伸到水槽下方。
And I thought, that's really strange.
我想，这真的很奇怪。
If he's anywhere, it has to be behind that wall.
如果他在任何地方，那一定是在那堵墙后面。
The agents brought in sledge hammers and drills and started boring into the cement walls.
特工们拿来大锤和钻头，开始在水泥墙上钻孔。
By now, though, the cartel had called in some chits.
不过，到目前为止，卡特尔已经提出了一些要求。
A regional Attorney General showed up and ordered the agents out of the building.
一名地区总检察长出现并命令特工离开大楼。
They tried to argue, but it was over.
他们试图争论，但一切都结束了。
Chris called Jorge and told him the news.
克里斯打电话给豪尔赫并告诉了他这个消息。
I felt devastated.
我感到很沮丧。
I learned what my fate was going to be.
我知道我的命运将会是什么。
Jorge had put everything on the line for this raid, and they'd failed.
豪尔赫为这次突袭投入了一切，但他们失败了。
And now the cartel was trying to figure out who snitched.
现在卡特尔正试图找出是谁告密的。
Who led the authorities to Miguel's apartment?
谁带领当局来到米格尔的公寓？
I said, "Well, so far, nobody has pinpointed me.
我说：“好吧，到目前为止，还没有人找到我。
And nothing was going to link me." I quickly saw the thing.
没有什么能把我联系起来。”我很快就看到了那个东西。
I've never been at the apartment.
我从来没有去过公寓。
There's no way I can be blamed for knowing about the vault, so I'm clear.
我不可能因为了解金库的事而受到责备，所以我很清楚。
Not exactly.
不完全是。
Jorge knew that if he was going to avoid suspicion, he had to amp up his performance as security chief.
豪尔赫知道，如果他想避免怀疑，他就必须提高自己作为安全主管的表现。
So his next move was to urgently find out who fed information about Miguel to authorities-- to essentially investigate himself.
因此，他的下一步行动是紧急查明是谁向当局提供了有关米格尔的信息——本质上是对他本人进行调查。
Jorge's plan was to cast doubt on others.
豪尔赫的计划是让别人产生怀疑。
First up, Miguel's driver, Castillo.
首先是米格尔的司机卡斯蒂略。
Castillo had been in the apartment during the DEA raid, so maybe he'd be able to pinpoint the leaker.
卡斯蒂略在缉毒局突袭期间就在公寓里，所以也许他能够查出泄密者。
Miguel's son told Jorge to meet Castillo someplace 45 minutes outside of Cali.
米格尔的儿子告诉豪尔赫在距卡利 45 分钟路程的某个地方与卡斯蒂略会面。
Along for the ride were two other cartel members.
同行的还有另外两名卡特尔成员。
They left at 5:00 AM with Jorge at the wheel.
他们于凌晨 5:00 出发，由豪尔赫 (Jorge) 驾驶。
One sat next to him.
其中一人坐在他旁边。
The other sat behind him.
另一个人坐在他身后。
Were you afraid that you were being set up to be killed?
你害怕自己被陷害被杀吗？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
I was just concerned that I have somebody behind me who could just put a rope on my neck, and you're over.
我只是担心我身后有人会用绳子套住我的脖子，然后你就完了。
When they met with the driver, the only information he offered was that the agents kept calling their informant Patricia.
当他们与司机见面时，他提供的唯一信息是特工不断给线人帕特里夏打电话。
That was true.
确实如此。
Any time the agents got on the phone with their informant-- who, of course, was Jorge-- they called him Patricia.
每当特工们与他们的线人——当然是豪尔赫——通电话时，他们都会叫他帕特里夏。
When Jorge heard the driver, Castillo, bring up his raid code name, he jumped at the opportunity it provided.
当豪尔赫听到司机卡斯蒂略提起他的突袭代号时，他抓住了这个机会。
And I just moved the conversation to, "That's very good news because we can now establish our whole investigation towards women that had been in the apartment.
我只是将话题转移到：“这是一个非常好的消息，因为我们现在可以对公寓里的女性进行整个调查。
It's going to be about 5% of visitors.
大约有 5% 的游客。
So how many women have been there?" So I started exploiting the situation, trying to derail the investigation in a way that was favorable to me.
那么有多少女性参加过呢？”所以我开始利用这种情况，试图以对我有利的方式破坏调查。
Rerunning that scene in his head as they rode back, Jorge worried that he appeared a bit too enthusiastic about the tidbit Castillo gave.
当他们骑马回来时，豪尔赫在脑海中重演了那个场景，他担心自己对卡斯蒂略提供的花絮似乎有点太热情了。
Of course they would know Patricia was a code name.
他们当然知道帕特里夏是一个代号。
The DEA wouldn't be stupid enough to use an informant's real name.
美国缉毒局不会愚蠢到使用线人的真实姓名。
Jorge had to find out what the cartel guys knew.
豪尔赫必须找出贩毒集团的人知道什么。
So I quickly got to Cali.
所以我很快就到达了卡利。
And then, I said, "I need to stop here in a bank." The person who runs the bank is a lady friend of mine.
然后，我说：“我需要在银行停下来。”经营银行的人是我的一位女性朋友。
I need to talk to her just a minute." So I step out of the car about five minutes.
我需要和她谈谈。”所以我下了车大约五分钟。
And the minute I started on, they started talking again.
当我开始说话的那一刻，他们又开始说话了。
How did Jorge know they started talking again?
豪尔赫怎么知道他们又开始说话了？
Because he'd been recording them the whole time.
因为他一直在录音。
He'd stashed a little tape recorder in a compartment of the driver's side door.
他在驾驶员侧门的隔间里藏了一台小录音机。
Too easy.
太容易了。
I just had to pull my left hand down.
我只得把左手拉下来。
I knew where the record button is.
我知道录音按钮在哪里。
Click it, leave it.
点击它，离开它。
And I was careful, very careful, to touch the record and not the play button.
我非常小心地触摸唱片而不是播放按钮。
You can imagine.
你可以想象。
[MEN SPEAKING IN SPANISH] Jorge Salcedo In the tape, there was a point where they make a comment, [SPEAKING SPANISH].
[男人说西班牙语] Jorge Salcedo 在录音带中，有一个地方他们发表了评论，[说西班牙语]。
"Do you notice how he became after I mentioned Patricia?" And he said, "Well, he's acting funny.
“你注意到我提到帕特里夏后他变成什么样子了吗？”他说：“嗯，他表现得很有趣。
Definitely, he's kind of nervous." That was the conversation between these two guys.
确实，他有点紧张。”这是两个人的对话。
[MEN SPEAKING IN SPANISH] Karen Lowe While they were talking, Jorge was in the bank pretending to visit a woman.
[男人用西班牙语说话]凯伦·洛（Karen Lowe） 当他们谈话时，豪尔赫（Jorge）在银行假装拜访一位女士。
The guys in the car suddenly hear this buzz.
车里的人突然听到了嗡嗡声。
[VIBRATION AUDIBLE] It was Jorge's DEA beeper.
[振动声] 这是 Jorge 的 DEA 蜂鸣器。
I had the beeper that I had been using with Chris and David on vibration mode in the trunk of the car.
我在汽车后备箱里放了我和克里斯和大卫一起使用的振动模式蜂鸣器。
So they were talking.
所以他们在说话。
And there it goes, brrp, brrp, this beep.
就这样，brrp，brrp，这个嘟嘟声。
And I think they were listening to music some.
我认为他们在听音乐。
But they were having a conversation about, it has to be me.
但他们正在谈论，必须是我。
[BEEPER BUZZES] Jorge Salcedo And then, there was a third one that [INAUDIBLE] it, brrp, brrp.
[蜂鸣器嗡嗡声] Jorge Salcedo 然后，还有第三个[听不清]，brrp，brrp。
And all of a sudden, they say, "Oh my god, what's that?
突然间，他们说：“天啊，那是什么？
It's a microphone!"
这是麦克风！”
[BEEPING SOUND] Jorge Salcedo It's a stupid thing because microphones don't sound.
[嘟嘟声] Jorge Salcedo 这是一件愚蠢的事情，因为麦克风没有声音。
They produce no sound.
它们不发出声音。
But these guys were-- and I was precisely coming out of there.
但这些人——而我正是从那里出来的。
So what this guy does is turns the switch, the air conditioning starts shhh uhhh to cover up, to make noise to cover up.
所以这家伙所做的就是打开开关，空调开始嘘嘘掩盖，发出噪音掩盖。
And he said, "He's coming.
他说：“他来了。
He's coming."
他来了。”
When Jorge listened to the whole tape later, his chest caved.
当豪尔赫后来听完整盘磁带时，他的胸口塌陷了。
Now he knew for sure he was under suspicion.
现在他确信自己受到了怀疑。
He and his family were in grave danger.
他和他的家人处于严重危险之中。
Plus, there was still a hit out on Pallomari the accountant.
另外，会计师帕洛马里仍然受到了批评。
And Miguel was still at large in a new safehouse.
米格尔仍然在一个新的安全屋里逍遥法外。
Jorge couldn't risk any more.
豪尔赫不能再冒险了。
It was time to call in the agents, Chris and Dave.
是时候请特工克里斯和戴夫了。
Again, they met in the cane field outside of Cali.
他们再次在卡利郊外的甘蔗地里相遇。
Just like the raid on Miguel's house and the two attempts to kill Pablo Escobar, the meeting quickly turned into a fiasco.
就像对米格尔家的突袭和两次企图刺杀巴勃罗·埃斯科瓦尔一样，这次会议很快就变成了惨败。
Instead of the empty field they expected, the place was swarmed with taxis and police cars.
这个地方并没有想象中的空旷，而是挤满了出租车和警车。
Turns out a taxi driver had been murdered in the field the night before.
原来，一名出租车司机前一天晚上在野外被谋杀了。
Chris says it wasn't long before a police officer asked what they were doing there.
克里斯说，不久之后，一名警察询问他们在那里做什么。
And the routine questioning led to asking for ID.
例行询问导致要求提供身份证件。
And we assured him that we weren't doing anything.
我们向他保证我们什么也没做。
So my partner, Dave Mitchell, had a lot of Colombian pesos.
所以我的搭档戴夫·米切尔有很多哥伦比亚比索。
And we basically went to the police officials and said, "Here, take this money.
我们基本上去找警察并说：“给，拿走这笔钱。
Leave us alone.
别管我们了。
We're not doing anything wrong." and his response was, "If you're not doing anything wrong, why are you giving me some money?"
我们没有做错什么。”他的回答是：“如果你没有做错什么，为什么要给我一些钱？”
It was a good question, because I didn't have an answer for it at that point.
这是一个很好的问题，因为当时我还没有答案。
And finally, Jorge just said--
最后，豪尔赫只是说——
Well, this is embarrassing to say.
好吧，这说起来很尴尬。
But this is the thing.
但这就是问题所在。
These gentlemen here, they're foreigners.
这里的这些先生们都是外国人。
And we're gay.
我们是同性恋。
We're just doing some gay stuff.
我们只是在做一些同性恋的事情。
And we all had a laugh at that.
我们都笑了。
And the police officials had a laugh at it, too.
警察官员也对此一笑置之。
And they left us alone.
他们就离开了我们。
So we were able to continue our conversation and continue with our strategizing and plotting of the next raid.
所以我们能够继续我们的谈话，并继续我们的战略和策划下一次突袭。
This time, they knew where to go thanks to a slip-up by a low level cartel worker.
这一次，由于一名低级卡特尔工人的失误，他们知道了该去哪里。
A messenger for Miguel's wife had openly talked in front of Jorge about where Miguel's new hideout was.
米格尔妻子的一个使者在豪尔赫面前公开谈论了米格尔的新藏身之处。
They nailed everything down ahead of time, did all the paperwork and hand-picked a prosecutor.
他们提前敲定了一切，完成了所有文书工作并亲自挑选了一名检察官。
They were working with the Colombian Navy, which Jorge was pretty sure wasn't compromised.
他们正在与哥伦比亚海军合作，豪尔赫非常确定哥伦比亚海军没有受到损害。
The apartment building was near a mountain, so instead of driving up to the front door, 35 guys descended down extremely difficult terrain to the building.
公寓楼靠近一座山，因此 35 个人没有开车到前门，而是沿着极其困难的地形下降到公寓楼。
But only five made it into the building in time for the raid.
但只有五人及时进入大楼进行突袭。
The rest got tangled on the mountainside.
剩下的人在山腰上纠缠着。
They broke open Miguel's door with a sledgehammer and raced through the apartment.
他们用大锤打破了米格尔的门，然后冲进了公寓。
Here's Chris.
这是克里斯。
And with the commotion as we continued to make our way through the apartment, I heard one of the Colombian Navy officials say, "I got him, I got him!" And I was like, "OK, well, that's good news." And I was able to run in the back down the hallway and into the master bedroom and into the closet area.
当我们继续穿过公寓时，在一阵骚动中，我听到一名哥伦比亚海军官员说：“我抓住了他，我抓住了他！”我当时想，“好吧，这是个好消息。”我能够从后面的走廊跑进主卧室和壁橱区域。
And I saw the Colombian Navy official holding Miguel by the shoulder on his shirt.
我看到哥伦比亚海军官员抓住米格尔衬衫上的肩膀。
And he grabbed him right as he was trying to access the secret compartment.
当他试图进入秘密隔间时，他抓住了他。
So had we been another five minutes or so, we probably wouldn't have apprehended him.
因此，如果我们再多呆五分钟左右，我们可能就不会逮捕他了。
The Colombian officials were jubilant and took turns taking trophy pictures of themselves with Miguel.
哥伦比亚官员们兴高采烈，轮流与米格尔合影留念。
But Jorge wasn't so happy.
但豪尔赫并不那么高兴。
He wouldn't be safe until the DEA got him and Pallomari out of the country.
在缉毒局将他和帕洛马里带出该国之前，他不会安全。
Next, the DEA struck a deal with Pallomari.
接下来，缉毒局与帕洛马里达成协议。
He would testify against the cartel in exchange for safe passage to the United States-- which had an unfortunate side effect.
他将作证反对卡特尔，以换取安全进入美国的机会——这产生了不幸的副作用。
It meant Jorge would have to wait to get out.
这意味着豪尔赫必须等待才能出去。
The DEA was tied up transferring Pallomari and his family.
美国缉毒局正忙于转移帕洛马里及其家人。
Having to wait for days, Jorge was terrified.
乔治等了好几天，他感到害怕。
And he knew it was time to confess the truth to his wife, to let her know their lives were about to change completely and permanently.
他知道是时候向妻子坦白真相了，让她知道他们的生活即将彻底、永久地改变。
She knew he worked for the Cali cartel, but had no idea he was working with the DEA to bring them down.
她知道他为卡利贩毒集团工作，但不知道他正在与美国缉毒局合作，将他们打倒。
It was like three days before leaving that I said, "I need to talk to you." And I told her, "We need to talk.
就在离开前三天，我说：“我需要和你谈谈。”我告诉她：“我们需要谈谈。
And I don't want it to happen here in our house." So I took her out to a field close to the house.
我不想让这种事发生在我们家里。”所以我带她到房子附近的一块田地里。
All I remember is we were sitting on the grass.
我只记得我们坐在草地上。
And very flatly, I just said, "I need you to know this.
我只是非常平淡地说：“我需要你知道这一点。
I am the person behind the capture of Miguel Rodriguez.
我是逮捕米格尔·罗德里格斯的幕后黑手。
And what we need to do is get out of everything we have here.
我们需要做的是摆脱我们这里拥有的一切。
We need to abandon what we have.
我们需要放弃我们所拥有的。
We need to leave the city, the country." It was such a big shock to her.
我们需要离开这座城市，离开这个国家。”这对她来说是一个很大的打击。
How did she react?
她有何反应？
Jorge Salcedo SIlent for about 30 seconds, staring at me.
豪尔赫·萨尔塞多（Jorge Salcedo）沉默了大约 30 秒，盯着我。
And there were tears from both of us.
我们俩都流下了眼泪。
We just grabbed our hands strongly.
我们只是用力地握住我们的手。
And she said, "OK, I understand what you have done.
她说：“好吧，我明白你做了什么。
So let's face it.
所以让我们面对现实吧。
It's a fact.
这是事实。
When are we leaving?" I said, "I don't know."
我们什么时候走？”我说：“我不知道。”
10 days after he went into hiding and 7 and 1/2 years since he joined the cartel, Jorge Salcedo boarded a plane in Bogota bound for Miami.
豪尔赫·萨尔塞多 (Jorge Salcedo) 躲藏 10 天后，也就是加入贩毒集团 7 又 1/2 年后，在波哥大登上了飞往迈阿密的飞机。
It was already checked, ready to go.
已经检查完毕，可以出发了。
The engines were started already inside the hanger.
发动机已经在机库内启动了。
They opened the doors and we were cleared to take off.
他们打开了舱门，我们获准起飞。
When we took off, I just said, "Thank God I'm out." That's it.
当我们起飞时，我只是说：“谢天谢地，我出去了。”就是这样。
I'd put him right up there with one of the best assets that we've ever had.
我认为他是我们所拥有的最好的资产之一。
I've told him before, I don't know how you did what you did, because I don't know if I would have the courage or the guts to do what you did, to take that chance and to put it all on the line to try to do the right thing.
我之前告诉过他，我不知道你是怎么做到的，因为我不知道我是否有勇气或胆量去做你所做的事情，抓住这个机会，赌上一切去做正确的事情。
So I had great admiration for him for that.
所以我对他非常钦佩。
In 1997, Columbia lifted its ban on extradition.
1997年，哥伦比亚解除了引渡禁令。
Jorge and Guillermo Pallomari, both safe in the States, provided testimony that led to the conviction of many of Colombia's top drug bosses and their enforcers.
豪尔赫·帕洛马里和吉列尔莫·帕洛马里均已安全抵达美国，他们提供的证词导致哥伦比亚许多顶级毒枭及其执法者被定罪。
Scores of police and legislators were fired or sent to prison.
数十名警察和立法者被解雇或送进监狱。
The Cali godfathers, Miguel and Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela, are currently serving 30-year prison sentences in Miami for international drug trafficking.
卡利教父米格尔·罗德里格斯·奥雷胡埃拉 (Miguel Rodriguez Orejuela) 和吉尔伯托·罗德里格斯·奥雷胡埃拉 (Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela) 目前因国际贩毒罪在迈阿密服刑 30 年。
Jorge lives in witness protection in the US.
豪尔赫生活在美国的证人保护之下。
He says his conscience is clear and he's at peace with what he did.
他说他的良心是清白的，他对自己的所作所为感到平静。
Wherever he lives, none of his neighbors or coworkers know anything about his past, but Jorge knows.
无论他住在哪里，他的邻居或同事都不知道他的过去，但豪尔赫知道。
During our interview, a helicopter flew overhead and he had to stop.
在我们采访期间，一架直升机从头顶飞过，他不得不停下来。
Jorge told me he's flown lots of helicopters.
豪尔赫告诉我他驾驶过很多直升机。
I love flying helicopters.
我喜欢飞行的直升机。
Karen Lowe Another time when a chopper flew by, Jorge was even able to identify the manufacturer.
凯伦·洛 (Karen Lowe) 还有一次，当一架直升机飞过时，豪尔赫甚至能够识别出制造商。
It was a Bell, American made.
这是一个美国制造的钟。
The guy knows his stuff.
这家伙知道他的东西。
He knows what he did.
他知道他做了什么。
He just can't talk about it anymore-- the most important thing about his life, the biggest thing he ever accomplished, and no one has a clue.
他只是不能再谈论它了——他一生中最重要的事情，他所完成的最伟大的事情，但没有人知道。
Karen Lowe in California.
凯伦·洛在加利福尼亚州。
Thanks to William Rempel, whose book about Jorge Salcedo, At the Devil's Table , was so helpful to us in putting together this story.
感谢威廉·伦佩尔（William Rempel），他关于豪尔赫·萨尔塞多（Jorge Salcedo）的书《魔鬼的餐桌》（At the Devil's Table）对我们整理这个故事非常有帮助。
Though both William Rempel and Karen Lowe have interviewed Salcedo, neither has any idea where he lives, what city or state.
尽管威廉·伦佩尔和凯伦·洛都采访过萨尔塞多，但两人都不知道他住在哪里、哪个城市或州。
Our program was produced today by Brian Reed with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Sarah Koenig, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Brian Reed 与 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Sarah Koenig、Jonathan Menjivar、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semien 和 Nancy Updike 共同制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Seth Lind is our operations director.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的运营总监。
Emily Condon's our office manager.
艾米丽·康登是我们的办公室经理。
Music help from Damien Graef and Rob Geddes.
Damien Graef 和 Rob Geddes 提供音乐帮助。
Production help from Tarek Fouda and Matt Kielty.
Tarek Fouda 和 Matt Kielty 提供制作帮助。
This is our last show with Matt.
这是我们与马特的最后一场演出。
He is off to work with our colleagues at Radio Lab .
他要去无线电实验室与我们的同事一起工作。
We wish him the very, very best.
我们祝愿他一切顺利。
We hope maybe he'll teach those slackers how to mix or something.
我们希望他能教那些懒鬼如何混音之类的。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的项目进行 WBEZ 管理监督。
You know, my nephew was visiting on college break this week.
你知道，我的侄子这周在大学放假时来拜访。
He came by the office, dropped by.
他经过办公室，顺便顺便过来了。
We saw Torey.
我们看到了托雷。
Torey took the kid's jacket, ripped off one of the sleeves, turned to me, and said,
托雷拿起孩子的夹克，撕下其中一个袖子，转向我说：
I mean, you were a college guy once.
我的意思是，你曾经是一名大学生。
I mean, were you concerned about the left sleeve?
我的意思是，你担心左袖吗？
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life .
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。