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Prologue Ira Glass This spring my friend, Etgar, was visiting the United States.
序言 Ira Glass 今年春天，我的朋友 Etgar 正在美国访问。
He's Israeli.
他是以色列人。
And we went to the Museum of Modern Art in New York City to see this exhibit by this artist named Cindy Sherman.
我们去了纽约现代艺术博物馆，观看了这位名叫辛迪·谢尔曼的艺术家的展览。
And this very strange thing happened that we didn't know what to make of it.
这件非常奇怪的事情发生了，我们不知道该怎么办。
It was truly a mystery.
这确实是一个谜。
And I invited Etgar here onto the radio show to talk about it.
我邀请埃特加参加广播节目来谈论这个问题。
We recorded this conversation a few days ago when I was still getting over a cold.
几天前，当我还在感冒时，我们录下了这段对话。
So you'll hear that my voice is a little croaky in this recording.
所以你会听到我的声音在这段录音中有点沙哑。
So I've been thinking about how to describe the exhibit.
所以我一直在思考如何描述这个展览。
Do you want to describe it?
你想描述一下吗？
No, no. I think you will describe it better.
不，不。我想你会描述得更好。
OK.
好的。
Well, basically, Cindy Sherman-- she photographs herself as hundreds of different people.
嗯，基本上，辛迪·谢尔曼——她把自己拍成数百个不同的人。
And to say that-- if you haven't seen these pictures, just to get it across, she's utterly and completely transformed in them.
顺便说一句，如果你还没有看过这些照片，只是为了了解一下，她在照片中已经彻底改变了。
And some of them-- they look like old movie stills.
其中一些——它们看起来像老电影剧照。
And some on them-- they look like Renaissance paintings.
其中一些——它们看起来像文艺复兴时期的画作。
And some of them are super bright garish colors.
其中一些是超级明亮花哨的颜色。
And in some she's beautiful.
在某些方面她很漂亮。
And in some she's grotesque.
在某些方面，她是怪诞的。
And in some she's this composed matronly lady.
在某些人看来，她是一位沉着的主妇。
And the way I remember the story is that you and I were walking into the third room of this exhibit.
我记得这个故事的方式是你和我走进这个展览的第三个房间。
So we had seen two rooms of these things.
所以我们看到了两个房间的这些东西。
I think that it was about the time when I realized that it was her in all the photos.
我想就在那时我意识到所有照片中都是她。
Because before that I thought it was different people.
因为在那之前我以为是不同的人。
Right, right.
对，对。
And then you said, oh wait.
然后你说，哦等等。
It's all the same person?
都是同一个人吗？
And then a woman came over to us.
然后一个女人向我们走过来。
Yeah.
是的。
And-- Etgar Keret And that she comes to the exhibit every day to see how people react to it.
而且—— Etgar Keret 她每天都会来展览，看看人们对此有何反应。
And so she-- if I had to describe her, I'd say that she looked like she was about 55 or 60, wire rim glasses, gray hair.
所以她——如果我必须描述她，我会说她看起来大约有 55 岁或 60 岁，戴着金属框眼镜，头发花白。
Yes.
是的。
She looked to me like a pretty well educated upper middle class lady who likes books.
在我看来，她就像一位受过良好教育、喜欢读书的中上层阶级女士。
Yeah.
是的。
Looking at her, thinking that she might be Cindy Sherman, I thought if you were to try to put on a costume to exactly blend in with the crowd at the Museum of Modern Art, this is the costume.
看着她，我想她可能是辛迪·谢尔曼，我想如果你要尝试穿上一套服装来完全融入现代艺术博物馆的人群，这就是服装。
But the thing about it is that when you see the Cindy Sherman photos, you will realize that she can look as old or as young or as beautiful or as ugly as she wants.
但问题是，当你看到辛迪·谢尔曼的照片时，你会发现她可以看起来很老，很年轻，很漂亮，很丑，只要她愿意。
So I just, as I spoke to her, I looked at the photos around me.
所以当我和她说话时，我看着周围的照片。
And the range of appearance that were in them kind of-- I said, OK, this woman could be one of those photos.
其中的各种外貌——我说，好吧，这个女人可能就是那些照片中的一张。
And I remember-- like I did the same thing.
我记得——就像我做了同样的事情。
I was looking at the pictures on the wall.
我正在看墙上的照片。
And I was looking at her face.
我看着她的脸。
And I was trying to think, could this be her face.
我试着思考，这可能是她的脸吗？
And I was just trying to get her to stay there and keep talking to us so I could figure this out.
我只是想让她留在那里并继续与我们交谈，以便我能解决这个问题。
Were you also trying to keep her there talking to us?
你也想让她留在那里和我们说话吗？
Was that your experience of it too?
你也有这样的经历吗？
No. My experience was that oh, Ira is so excited.
不，我的经验是，哦，艾拉太兴奋了。
And kind of thinking maybe I'm missing something.
我想也许我错过了一些东西。
Or maybe Ira is gone crazy.
或者艾拉可能疯了。
But I never saw you so excited.
但我从未见过你如此兴奋。
You never saw me so excited?
你没见过我这么兴奋吗？
Etgar Keret No, no. Maybe this says something about our relationship.
埃特加·凯雷特 不，不。也许这说明了我们的关系。
Maybe you are always excited.
也许你总是很兴奋。
But just went I'm around, you become this kind of cold fish.
但我一走，你就变成了这样的冷鱼。
I'm a really good friend.
我真是一个好朋友。
Yeah.
是的。
And so I guess that I noticed that she was getting a little bit put off by my interest.
所以我想我注意到她对我的兴趣有点反感。
And then she said to us, oh, I'm not really Cindy Sherman.
然后她对我们说，哦，我不是真正的辛迪·谢尔曼。
And I took that as oh, she is Cindy Sherman.
我认为哦，她是辛迪·谢尔曼。
But she has to end this conversation.
但她必须结束这次谈话。
That's it.
就是这样。
She's had enough of me.
她已经受够我了。
And did you take it as she's not Cindy Sherman?
你认为她不是辛迪·谢尔曼吗？
Or did you just think she was trying to get away from us?
或者你只是认为她想逃离我们？
No. Later I thought to myself that if I would pretend to be Cindy Sherman, the last thing I would do would be to tell people I'm not Cindy Sherman.
不。后来我想，如果我假装成辛迪·谢尔曼，我最不想做的事就是告诉人们我不是辛迪·谢尔曼。
I would be too embarrassed to say in the end I'm not Cindy Sherman.
我最终都不好意思说我不是辛迪·谢尔曼。
So I kind of thought in the end, like after she had left, that she probably was Cindy Sherman.
所以最后，就像她离开后一样，我想她可能就是辛迪·谢尔曼。
I agree.
我同意。
To me it made her very credibly Cindy Sherman.
对我来说，这让她成为了非常可信的辛迪·谢尔曼。
Yeah.
是的。
And it was also like be about the nature of the exhibit.
这也与展览的性质有关。
Because she's a woman with 100 personas coming with her 101 persona.
因为她是一个拥有 100 个角色的女人，同时也有 101 个角色。
And I would say that even if she wasn't, I think it would be smart of the museum to hire women who would go around and say that they are Cindy Sherman.
我想说，即使她不是，我认为博物馆雇用那些会到处说自己是辛迪·谢尔曼的女性也是明智之举。
I thought about this for weeks after it happened.
事情发生后我思考了好几个星期。
And I really did not know what to think.
我真的不知道该怎么想。
You know if it wasn't Cindy Sherman, if it was not her in a way, the whole thing is even better.
你知道，如果不是辛迪·谢尔曼，如果在某种程度上不是她，整个事情会更好。
If there is some Upper East Side 55, 60-year-old lady who just walks up to people in the Museum of Modern Art and claims to be Cindy Sherman, I love that lady.
如果上东区有一位 55 岁、60 岁的女士走到现代艺术博物馆的人们面前并声称自己是辛迪·谢尔曼（Cindy Sherman），我喜欢那个女士。
I love the balls on that lady.
我喜欢那位女士身上的蛋蛋。
That is somebody embracing life.
那是一个拥抱生命的人。
For Etgar, when we talked about this on tape, he surprised me by insisting that it is better not to now.
对于埃特加来说，当我们在录音中谈论这个问题时，他坚持认为现在最好不要这样做，这让我感到惊讶。
He said it is a better experience to just never find out the truth.
他说，永远不知道真相是一种更好的经历。
Look.
看。
I can walk you through all the scenarios, OK?
我可以引导您完成所有场景，好吗？
A, she is Cindy Sherman.
A，她是辛迪·谢尔曼。
She says I'm Cindy Sherman.
她说我是辛迪·谢尔曼。
You say hey, Etgar, can you take a photo in your iPhone of me with Cindy Sherman?
你说，嘿，Etgar，你能用你的 iPhone 拍一张我和 Cindy Sherman 的照片吗？
This is the one experience.
这是唯一的经历。
The second experience-- she says, I'm not Cindy Sherman.
第二次经历——她说，我不是辛迪·谢尔曼。
I'm just a bored woman who's into harassing people in exhibit.
我只是一个无聊的女人，喜欢骚扰展览中的人。
We say to her go away, woman.
我们对她说走开，女人。
And we throw things at her.
然后我们就向她扔东西。
And she goes away.
然后她就走了。
Or c, she says I'm Cindy Sherman.
或者c，她说我是辛迪·谢尔曼。
No, I'm not Cindy Sherman.
不，我不是辛迪·谢尔曼。
And we still contemplate about that.
我们仍在思考这一点。
I think that from the three options, this is the most interesting and exciting one.
我认为在这三个选项中，这是最有趣、最令人兴奋的一个。
And we got our money worth.
我们的钱花得值。
You know, we went.
你知道，我们去了。
We saw a show.
我们看了一场表演。
We met a woman.
我们遇到了一个女人。
She said she's Cindy Sherman.
她说她是辛迪·谢尔曼。
She said she wasn't Cindy Sherman.
她说她不是辛迪·谢尔曼。
We still don't know if she is or she isn't.
我们仍然不知道她是否是。
I mean I wish all exhibitions were like that.
我的意思是我希望所有的展览都是这样。
I'm going to get Cindy Sherman.
我去找辛迪谢尔曼。
I've set up a phone call to speak with Cindy Sherman about this.
我已安排电话与辛迪·谢尔曼讨论此事。
Leave poor Cindy alone.
别管可怜的辛迪了。
Why do you want to put her in that spot?
为什么要把她放在那个位置？
I think it's not going to clarify anything.
我认为这不会澄清任何事情。
Because you're saying that she might lie either way.
因为你是说她无论如何都可能撒谎。
Because I'm saying if it was Cindy Sherman, then she had already lied.
因为我是说，如果是辛迪·谢尔曼，那么她就已经撒谎了。
And if it wasn't Cindy Sherman, then Cindy Sherman could still lie.
如果不是辛迪·谢尔曼，那么辛迪·谢尔曼仍然可以撒谎。
Hello.
你好。
Ira Glass Hey.
艾拉·格拉斯 嘿。
Is this Cindy Sherman?
这是辛迪·谢尔曼吗？
Hi.
你好。
I'm so sorry about yesterday.
我对昨天的事感到非常抱歉。
I feel like I'm always--
我感觉我总是——
I reached Cindy Sherman this week.
这周我联系了辛迪·谢尔曼。
She's saying she's sorry right there.
她当场就说对不起。
Because she accidentally forgot our phone appointment on Tuesday.
因为她不小心忘记了我们周二的电话预约。
And I'm only playing you that part of the recording to give you a sense of what an utterly normal, straightforward, undeceptive person she seemed like on the telephone.
我播放这部分录音只是为了让你了解她在电话里是一个多么正常、直率、不欺骗的人。
And I told her the whole story of the woman who walked up to me and Etgar at the Museum of Modern Art.
我告诉她那个在现代艺术博物馆走向我和埃特加的女人的整个故事。
Not at all.
一点也不。
Oh my god.
我的天啊。
But I'd love to know who she is or-- I mean-- if this person really comes every day.
但我很想知道她是谁，或者——我的意思是——这个人是否真的每天都来。
Or I mean I've just vaguely fantasized about being in the exhibit while the public's there.
或者我的意思是，我只是隐隐约约地幻想着当公众在场时我也能在展览中。
But then what always sort of complete turned me off of it is any particular moment that somebody would suddenly realize it was me-- that would just freak me out.
但总是让我彻底失去兴趣的是任何特定的时刻，有人突然意识到是我——那只会让我感到害怕。
Yeah.
是的。
I think it's great.
我认为这很棒。
I wonder-- I really do wonder if she does it a lot or if it was just some, like, fluke thing where she just thought oh, I'm going to play with this guy.
我想知道——我真的想知道她是否经常这样做，或者只是一些，比如，侥幸的事情，她只是想哦，我要和这个家伙一起玩。
Maybe once you air this, other people will have other--
也许一旦你播出这个，其他人就会有其他的——
That didn't even occur to me.
我什至没有想到这一点。
Right, yeah.
对，是的。
Let me just say, like, if you're hearing this interview and this has happened to you, please go to our website and be in touch.
我只想说，如果您正在听这次采访并且这种情况发生在您身上，请访问我们的网站并与我们联系。
That would be so interesting.
那会很有趣。
Ira Glass OK.
艾拉·格拉斯 好的。
So she is not part of the show.
所以她不属于这个节目。
No. Ira Glass You did not hire her, put her up to it?
不。艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 你没有雇佣她、怂恿她这么做？
No, no. Ira Glass Do you have a message for this lady if we find her?
不，不。艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 如果我们找到这位女士，你有话要给她说吗？
I mean she should do it more often.
我的意思是她应该更频繁地这样做。
Yeah.
是的。
What would be funny is if more people were going around, pretending.
有趣的是，如果有更多的人四处走动，假装。
Potential fake Cindy Sherman's and victims of fake Cindy Sherman's, please note.
请注意，潜在的假冒辛迪·谢尔曼 (Cindy Sherman) 以及假冒辛迪·谢尔曼 (Cindy Sherman) 的受害者。
The exhibit moves to San Francisco in July.
展览于七月移至旧金山。
Well today on our program, Switcharoo, pretending to be somebody or something you are not.
今天在我们的节目《Switcharoo》中，假装成不是你的某人或某物。
Sometimes that's perfectly fine, perfectly innocent, hurts no one.
有时这很好，完全无辜，不会伤害任何人。
Sometimes it is not that at all.
有时根本不是那样的。
And sometimes it is really hard to tell.
有时真的很难说。
From WBEX Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
这是来自芝加哥 WBEX 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Healthy Start.
第一幕，健康的开始。
So my friend, Etgar, is somebody whose work is actually here on the radio show from time to time.
我的朋友埃特加的作品实际上时常出现在广播节目中。
That's how I got to know him.
我就是这样认识他的。
Etgar Keret is his name.
他的名字是埃特加·凯雷特。
He writes short fiction here in the program.
他在节目中写短篇小说。
And he's thought a lot about this subject, about the pleasure of pretending to be someone else.
他对这个话题思考了很多，关于假装成别人的乐趣。
And he has this short story.
他有这个短篇故事。
It's read for us by an actor.
这是由一位演员为我们朗读的。
Because Etgar always prefers that somebody read his stories on the radio show whose English is easier to understand.
因为埃特加总是更喜欢有人在广播节目中读他的故事，而且英语更容易理解。
Here it is.
这里是。
Every night in the months after she had left him, he'd fall asleep in a different spot-- on the sofa, in an armchair in the living room, on the mat in the balcony like some homeless bum.
她离开他后的几个月里，每天晚上，他都会在不同的地方睡着——沙发上、客厅的扶手椅上、阳台的垫子上，就像无家可归的流浪汉一样。
Every morning he made a point of going out for breakfast.
每天早上他都会特意出去吃早餐。
Even prisoners get a daily walk in the yard, don't they?
即使是囚犯也每天都会在院子里散步，不是吗？
At the cafe, they always gave him a table set for two and sat him across from an empty chair-- always, even when the waiter specifically asked him if he was alone.
在咖啡馆，他们总是给他一张两人桌，让他坐在一张空椅子对面——总是如此，即使服务员特别问他是否独自一人。
Other people would be sitting there in twos or threes, laughing, or tasting each others food, or fighting over the check, while Myron sat by himself eating his healthy start-- orange juice, muesli with honey, decaf double espresso with warm low fat milk on the side.
其他人会三三两两地坐在那里，笑着，或品尝彼此的食物，或争夺支票，而迈伦则独自坐着，吃着他的健康开胃菜——橙汁、蜂蜜麦片、无咖啡因双份浓缩咖啡，旁边还有热低脂牛奶。
Of course it would have been nicer if someone were sitting down across from him and laughing with him, if there had been someone to argue with over the check.
当然，如果有人坐在他对面和他一起笑，如果有人可以为支票争论，那就更好了。
And he'd have had to struggle to hand the money to the waitress, saying don't take it from him.
他不得不费力地将钱交给女服务员，并告诉她不要从他手中拿走。
Avery, put it back.
艾弗里，把它放回去。
This one's on me.
这个就交给我了
But he didn't really have anyone to do that with.
但他确实没有人可以做这件事。
And breakfast alone was 100 times better than staying home.
光是吃早餐就比呆在家里好100倍。
Myron spend a lot of time eying the other tables.
迈伦花了很多时间观察其他桌子。
He'd eavesdrop on conversations, read the sports supplement, or examine the ups and downs of the Israeli shares on Wall Street with an air of detached concern.
他会偷听谈话，阅读体育副刊，或者以一种超然关切的态度审视华尔街以色列股票的涨跌。
Sometimes someone would come over and ask for a section of the paper he'd finished reading.
有时有人会过来索要他读完的论文的一部分。
And he would nod and try to smile.
他会点头并尝试微笑。
Once when a sexy young mother with a baby and a stroller walked over to him, he even said to her as he gave up the front page with the banner headline about a gang rape in the suburbs, what a crazy world we're bringing our children into.
有一次，当一位性感的年轻妈妈带着婴儿和婴儿车向他走来时，他甚至一边放弃头版，一边对她说，我们正在把孩子带入一个多么疯狂的世界。
He thought it sounds like a kind of statement that brings people closer together, pointing as it did to their common fate.
他认为这听起来像是一种拉近人们距离的声明，指出了他们共同的命运。
But the sexy mom just glared at him and took the Healthy Living supplement too without asking.
但性感妈妈只是瞪了他一眼，也没问就把健康生活补充剂也吃了。
Then one Thursday, a fat sweaty guy walked into the cafe and smiled at him.
然后在一个星期四，一个汗流浃背的胖子走进咖啡馆，对他微笑。
Myron was caught off guard.
迈伦措手不及。
The last person who'd given him a smile was Maian just before she had left him five months earlier.
最后一个对他微笑的人是五个月前麦安离开他之前。
And her smile had been unmistakably sarcastic.
而她的笑容明显带有讽刺意味。
Whereas this one was soft, almost apologetic.
而这个却很温柔，几乎带着歉意。
The fat guy gestured something, apparently a signal that he'd like to sit down.
胖子做了个手势，显然是在示意他要坐下。
And Myron nodded almost without thinking.
迈伦几乎不假思索地点点头。
The fat guy took a seat.
胖子坐了下来。
Rube, he said.
鲁布，他说。
Listen, I'm really sorry I'm late.
听着，我真的很抱歉我迟到了。
I know we said 10.
我知道我们说的是 10。
But I had a nightmare morning with the kid.
但我和孩子一起度过了一个噩梦般的早晨。
It crossed Myron's mind that maybe he ought to tell the fat guy he wasn't Ruben.
迈伦突然想到，也许他应该告诉那个胖子他不是鲁本。
But he found himself checking his watch instead and saying what's 10 minutes?
但他发现自己却看了看手表，问：“10 分钟了？”
Forget it.
忘了它。
Then neither of them spoke for a second.
然后两人都没有再说话。
And Myron asked if the kid was OK.
迈伦问孩子还好吗。
And the fat guy said she was.
胖子也说是。
It was just said she'd started a new kindergarten.
据说她刚刚开办了一所新幼儿园。
And every time he took are there, she had a hard time letting him go.
每次他出现在她身边，她都很难放开他。
But never mind.
但没关系。
He stopped short.
他突然停了下来。
You've got enough on your plate without my problems.
你已经有足够多的事情要做了，没有我的麻烦。
Let's get down to business.
让我们言归正传吧。
Myron took a deep breath and waited.
迈伦深吸了一口气，等待着。
Look, the fat guy said.
你看，胖子说道。
500's too high.
500太高了
Give it to me for 400.
400块给我吧
Know what?
知道什么吗？
410 even.
410 甚至。
And I'm good for 600 pieces.
我可以吃 600 块。
480, Myron said.
480，迈伦说。
And that's only if you're good for 1,000.
而且前提是你能达到 1,000 分。
You got to understand, the fat guy said.
你必须明白，胖子说。
The market's in the crapper, what with the recession and all.
由于经济衰退等原因，市场陷入困境。
Just last night on the news they showed people eating out of garbage cans.
就在昨晚的新闻中，他们展示了人们从垃圾桶里吃东西。
If you keep pushing, I'll have to sell high.
如果你继续推动，我就必须高价卖出。
You're pricing me right out of the market.
你的定价让我被挤出了市场。
Don't worry, Myron told him.
别担心，迈伦告诉他。
For every three people eating out of garbage cans, there's someone driving a Mercedes.
每三个人从垃圾桶里吃东西，就有一个人开着一辆奔驰。
This made the fat guy laugh out loud.
这让胖子笑出了声。
They told me you were tough, he muttered with a smile.
他们告诉我你很坚强，他微笑着嘀咕道。
I'm just like you, Myron protested, simply trying to keep body and soul together.
我就像你一样，迈伦抗议道，只是想让身体和灵魂保持在一起。
The fat guy wiped his sweaty palm on his shirt and then held it out.
胖子在衬衫上擦了擦汗湿的手掌，然后递了出去。
460, he said.
460，他说。
460 and I take 1,000.
460，我拿1000。
When he saw Myron wasn't reacting, he added 460, 1,000 pieces.
见迈伦没有反应，他又加了460、1000块。
And I owe you a favor.
我欠你一个人情。
And you know better than anyone, Ruben, that in our business favors are worth more than money.
鲁本，你比任何人都清楚，在我们的生意中，恩惠比金钱更有价值。
This last sentence was all Myron needed to take the outstretched hand and shake it.
迈伦只需要这最后一句话，就可以握住伸出的手并握住它。
For the first time in his life someone told him a favor, someone who thought his name was Rubin, but still.
这是他一生中第一次有人帮了他一个忙，有人以为他的名字叫鲁宾，但仍然如此。
And when they had finished eating, as they argued over who would pick up the tab, a warm feeling spread through Myron's stomach.
当他们吃完饭，正在争论谁来付账时，一股温暖的感觉传遍了迈伦的胃。
He beat the fat guy to it by 1/10 of a second and shoved the crumpled bill into the waitresses hand.
他比胖子快了 1/10 秒，然后把皱巴巴的钞票塞到女服务员手里。
From that day on it became practically a standard procedure.
从那天起，这几乎成为一个标准程序。
Myron would take a seat, give his order, and keep a lookout for any new person who came into the cafe.
迈伦会坐下来，下达命令，并留意任何进入咖啡馆的新人。
And if that person started searching the tables with an expectant look, Myron would quickly wave and invite him or her to take a seat.
如果那个人开始以期待的表情搜索桌子，迈伦会迅速挥手并邀请他或她坐下。
I don't want this to end up in court, a bald guy with thick eyebrows told him.
“我不希望这件事最终闹上法庭，”一个浓眉秃头的家伙告诉他。
Me neither, Myron conceded.
我也没有，迈伦承认。
It's always better to settle things amicably.
友好地解决事情总是更好。
Just remember, I don't do night shifts, a Botox-lipped bleached blond announced.
“记住，我不上夜班，”一位涂过肉毒杆菌嘴唇的漂白金发女郎宣布。
Just what do you expect?
你到底期望什么？
Everyone else'll do night shifts except you, Myron grumbled back.
除了你以外，其他人都会上夜班，迈伦抱怨道。
Gabby asked me to tell you that he's sorry, said a guy with rotting teeth and an earring.
“加比让我告诉你他很抱歉，”一个牙齿腐烂、戴着耳环的家伙说道。
It he was really sorry, Myron countered, he should have come and told me himself, no middlemen.
迈伦反驳道，如果他真的很抱歉，他应该亲自来告诉我，而不是中间人。
In your email you sounded taller, a skinny redhead complained.
一位瘦削的红发女郎抱怨道，在你的电子邮件中，你听起来更高了。
In your email, you sounded less picky, Myron snapped.
在你的电子邮件中，你听起来不那么挑剔了，迈伦厉声说道。
And somehow everything worked out in the end.
不知何故，最终一切都顺利了。
He and baldy settled out of court.
他和秃头在庭外和解。
Botox lips agreed to ask her sister to babysit so she could do one night shift a week.
肉毒杆菌同意请她姐姐帮忙照看孩子，这样她就可以每周上一次夜班。
Rotting teeth promised Gabby would phone.
腐烂的牙齿答应盖比会打电话。
And the redhead and Myron agreed they weren't quite right for each other.
红发女郎和迈伦一致认为，他们彼此不太合适。
Sometimes they picked up the tab.
有时他们会买单。
Sometimes he did.
有时他会这么做。
With the redhead, they split the bill.
他们和红发女郎一起平摊了账单。
And it was all so fascinating that if a whole morning went by when nobody took a seat across from him at the table, Myron felt let down.
这一切是如此令人着迷，以至于如果整个早上都没有人坐在他对面的桌子上，迈伦就会感到失望。
Luckily this didn't happen too often.
幸运的是这种情况并不经常发生。
Almost two months had gone by since the sweaty fat guy when a pock marked man walked in.
距离那个汗流浃背的胖子已经过去快两个月了，一个麻子男人走了进来。
Despite the pocked face and the fact that he looked at least 10 years older than Myron, he was good looking, loads of charisma.
尽管他满脸麻子，而且看起来比迈伦至少大十岁，但他长得英俊，很有魅力。
The first thing he said as he sat down was I was sure you wouldn't show.
他坐下时说的第一句话是我确信你不会出现。
But we agreed to meet, Myron answered.
但我们同意见面，迈伦回答道。
Yes, said the pock marked guy with a sad smile.
是的，麻子家伙带着悲伤的微笑说道。
Except that after the way I yelled at you on the phone, I was afraid you'd chicken out.
除了我在电话里对你大喊大叫之后，我担心你会退缩。
So here I am, Myron said, almost teasingly.
“所以我就在这里了，”迈伦几乎是戏谑地说道。
I'm sorry I yelled at you on the phone, the guy apologized.
对不起，我在电话里对你大喊大叫，那家伙道歉了。
Really.
真的。
I just lost it.
我刚刚把它弄丢了。
But I meant every word I said.
但我说的每一句话都是认真的。
You got that?
你明白了吗？
I'm asking you to stop seeing her.
我请求你别再见到她了
But I love her, Myron said in a choked voice.
但我爱她，迈伦用哽咽的声音说道。
Sometimes you can love something.
有时你可以爱一些东西。
And you still have to give it up, the pock marked guy said.
但你还是得放弃，麻子家伙说。
Listen to someone a little older than you.
听听比你年长一点的人怎么说。
Sometimes you have to give it up.
有时你必须放弃它。
Sorry, Myron said.
抱歉，迈伦说。
But I can't.
但我不能。
Yes you can, the guy shot back.
是的，你可以，那家伙反击道。
You can.
你可以。
And you will.
你会的。
There's no other way.
没有其他办法了。
Maybe we both love her.
也许我们都爱她。
But I happen to be her husband.
但我恰好是她的丈夫。
And I am not about to let you break up my family.
我不会让你拆散我的家庭。
Got that?
明白了吗？
Myron shook his head.
迈伦摇摇头。
You have no idea what my life has been like this past year, he told the husband.
“你不知道我过去一年的生活是什么样的，”他告诉丈夫。
Hell-- not even hell, just one great big stale chunk of nothing.
地狱——甚至不是地狱，只是一大块陈旧的东西。
And when you've been living with nothing for so long and suddenly something turns up, you can't just tell it to go away.
当你已经一无所有地生活了这么久，突然有什么东西出现时，你不能只是让它消失。
You understand me, don't you?
你明白我的意思，不是吗？
I know you understand me.
我知道你理解我。
The husband bit his lower lip.
丈夫咬着下唇。
If you see her one more time, he said, I'll kill you.
如果你再见到她一次，他说，我就杀了你。
I'm not kidding.
我不是在开玩笑。
And you know it.
你知道的。
So kill me, Myron shrugged.
所以杀了我吧，迈伦耸耸肩。
That doesn't scare me.
这并不吓到我。
We're all going to die in the end.
我们最终都会死。
The husband bent down across the table and socked Myron in the jaw.
丈夫在桌子上弯下腰，用一拳打在迈伦的下巴上。
It was the first time in his life that anyone had hit him so hard.
他这辈子第一次被人这么狠狠地打他。
And Myron felt the hot wave of pain surge up somewhere in the middle of his face and spread in every direction.
迈伦感到一股灼热的疼痛从他脸中央的某个地方涌上来，并向四面八方蔓延。
Seconds later he found himself on the floor with a husband standing over him.
几秒钟后，他发现自己躺在地板上，丈夫站在他身边。
I'll take her away from here, the husband kept shouting as he went on kicking Myron in the stomach and ribs.
我要带她离开这里，丈夫一边喊一边继续踢迈伦的腹部和肋骨。
I'll take her far away to another country.
我会带她去很远的地方去另一个国家。
And you won't know where she is.
而且你不会知道她在哪里。
You'll never see her again.
你再也见不到她了。
You got that, you rotten piece of [BLEEP].
你明白了，你这个烂[BLEEP]。
Two waiters jumped the husband and managed somehow to yank him away from Myron.
两个服务员跳了起来，设法把他从迈伦身边拉开。
Somebody yelled to the bar man to call the police.
有人向酒吧服务员大喊，要求他报警。
With his cheek still glued to the coolness of the floor, Myron watched the husband run out of the cafe.
迈伦的脸颊仍然贴在凉爽的地板上，看着丈夫跑出咖啡馆。
One of the waiters bent over and asked him if he was OK.
一名服务员弯下腰问他是否还好。
And Myron made an attempt to answer.
迈伦试图回答。
Do you want me to call an ambulance, the waiter asked.
“你要我叫救护车吗？”服务员问道。
Myron whispered that he didn't.
迈伦小声说他没有。
Are you sure, the waiter insisted.
“你确定吗？”服务员坚持道。
You're bleeding.
你在流血。
Myron nodded slowly and shut his eyes.
迈伦缓缓地点点头，闭上了眼睛。
He tried as hard as he could to imagine himself with that woman, the one he'd never see again.
他竭尽全力想象自己和那个女人在一起，那个他再也见不到的女人。
He tried.
他尝试过。
And for a moment he almost succeeded.
有一瞬间他几乎成功了。
His whole body ached.
他全身酸痛。
He felt alive.
他感觉自己还活着。
Actor John Connolly, reading a story by Etgar Keret from his new collection of stories, Suddenly a Knock on the Door.
演员约翰·康诺利正在阅读埃特加·凯雷特的新故事集《突然有人敲门》中的故事。
So I don't know if this can be redundant or not.
所以我不知道这是否是多余的。
And there wasn't time for it in the radio broadcast of this episode of our show.
我们的节目这一集的广播中没有时间这样做。
But here on the podcast and in the online versions, we can go past 59 minutes.
但在播客和在线版本中，我们可以超过 59 分钟。
And I first read this short story, Healthy Start, I don't know, maybe a year ago.
我第一次读到这个短篇小说《健康的开始》，我不知道，大概是在一年前。
And we knew we'd be preparing it for this week's show and all that.
我们知道我们会为本周的演出等做准备。
And it was all planned.
这一切都是计划好的。
And then it wasn't until I talked to Etgar on tape for this week's show that he told me that the story was based on a real incident.
直到我在本周节目的录音中与埃特加交谈，他才告诉我这个故事是根据真实事件改编的。
You know this story came from a real true story.
你知道这个故事来自一个真实的故事。
But here's--
但这里是——
What?
什么？
Etgar Keret Yeah.
埃特加·凯雷特 是的。
You want me to tell you the story?
你想让我给你讲这个故事吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Etgar Keret Well the thing is that I was in Berlin teaching for a semester.
Etgar Keret 嗯，事情是我在柏林教了一个学期。
And I was lonely as a dog.
而我却像一条狗一样孤独。
It was raining.
正在下雨。
I didn't know anybody.
我谁也不认识。
And then one day my journal publisher, who's based in Munich, said that he's coming to Berlin.
然后有一天，我在慕尼黑的期刊出版商说他要来柏林。
And he wants to meet me.
他想见我。
So he gave me a name of a cafe.
所以他给了我一个咖啡馆的名字。
And then I went to that cafe.
然后我去了那家咖啡馆。
And I saw that the cafe was like the size of a football stadium, you know?
我看到咖啡馆有足球场那么大，你知道吗？
And I said how the hell am I going to find this guy.
我说我到底要怎么才能找到这个人。
I don't even know how he looks like.
我什至不知道他长什么样。
So I took a table that was just facing the door.
所以我选了一张正对着门的桌子。
And I said, OK.
我说，好吧。
I'm going to wait.
我要等一下。
And all kinds of people came.
各种各样的人都来了。
About some of them I said maybe that's him, maybe that's him.
关于他们中的一些人，我说也许那就是他，也许那就是他。
But then this guy came.
但后来这个人来了。
And I saw that he was looking with his eyes somebody, as if he was looking for a guy he's supposed to meet.
我看到他用眼睛看着某个人，就好像他在寻找一个他应该见到的人。
So I waved him.
于是我向他挥手。
And he came.
他来了。
And he sat in front of me.
他坐在我面前。
And he started speaking to me in English, which is a good sign, because this is Germany.
他开始用英语和我说话，这是一个好兆头，因为这是德国。
And he said I couldn't sleep all night.
他还说我整晚都睡不着。
And I said to him, why?
我对他说，为什么？
And he said I was thinking about your email.
他说我正在考虑你的电子邮件。
And you know it flattered me, you know.
你知道这让我受宠若惊。
Because he's my publisher.
因为他是我的出版商。
He takes me seriously.
他认真对待我。
But when I thought about it, what I wrote in the email is that I couldn't make it 10:30.
但转念一想，我在邮件中写的是我无法赶到10:30。
I could only come at 11.
我只能11点来。
And then so I said to him, and?
然后我就对他说，然后呢？
And he said, and I can't give you 300,000 euros.
他说，我不能给你30万欧元。
I can only give you 250,000.
我只能给你25万。
But I have them here in cash.
但我这里有现金。
Only you have to show me the goods first.
只是你得先给我看看货。
And then I looked at him.
然后我看着他。
And I said to him, Gil?
我对他说，吉尔？
And he looked at me and he said Samir?
他看着我，说萨米尔？
And I said this kind of whoops.
我说了这样的话。
And he said to me oh, I'm sorry.
他对我说哦，对不起。
And he had this big bag, which seemed very heavy.
而且他还背着这个大包，看起来很沉。
And he took his big bag.
然后他拿起了他的大包。
And he said some words--
他还说了一些话——
Etgar says that soon enough the German publisher shows up and recognizes Etgar by his author photo, and sits right down.
埃特加说，德国出版商很快就出现了，并通过他的作者照片认出了埃特加，然后坐下来。
And Etgar says that he cannot concentrate on the conversation at all.
埃特加说他根本无法集中精力谈话。
All he can think about is what he should have said to that guy before.
他满脑子想的就是自己之前应该对那个家伙说些什么。
And I thought to myself all the time what would've happened if I just said to him OK.
我一直在想，如果我对他说“好吧”，会发生什么。
I'm OK with the 250,000 euros.
25万欧元我没问题。
But what's this I want to check the goods first?
但我想先查一下货，这是什么？
Did I ask you to see the money first?
我有让你先看钱吗？
if you don't trust me, don't do business with me.
如果你不信任我，就不要和我做生意。
And I went with this sentence in my head home.
我脑子里就带着这句话回家了。
And I got home.
我回到家了。
I wrote the story.
我写了这个故事。
Act Two, Forgive us Our Press Passes.
第二幕，请原谅我们的记者通行证。
You know how when you call someplace for customer service, and you're on some 800 number, and somebody answers the phone and says her name is Jill, and at some point the thought crosses your mind-- this person's name is probably not Jill.
你知道，当你拨打某个地方的客户服务电话，拨打某个 800 号码，有人接电话并说她的名字是吉尔，在某个时刻，你的脑海中会闪过这样的想法——这个人的名字可能不是吉尔。
This person is probably sitting in a call center in India or somewhere.
此人可能坐在印度或其他地方的呼叫中心。
And you have that thought, what other jobs can we possibly outsource to people far away at this point?
您是否有这样的想法，此时我们还可以将哪些工作外包给远方的人？
Well Sarah Koenig tells this story of a fairly recent addition to the list of jobs.
莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 讲述了一个最近添加到工作清单中的故事。
Back in November, a newspaper reporter named Ryan Smith got an assignment from his editor.
早在 11 月，一位名叫瑞安·史密斯 (Ryan Smith) 的报纸记者接到了编辑的任务。
Write up a student of the week story for the Houston Chronicle.
为《休斯顿纪事报》撰写本周学生故事。
The student was a senior at Bellaire High School outside Houston.
该学生是休斯顿郊外贝莱尔高中的一名高年级学生。
So I ended up calling the high school.
所以我最后给高中打了电话。
And it was kind of interesting.
这很有趣。
Because I talked to the principal a little bit.
因为我和校长聊过一点。
He was sort of vetting me.
他有点在审查我。
And he's like, well why don't you just come by the school tomorrow?
他说，那你为什么不明天来学校呢？
And--
还有——
Why is this even vaguely funny to Ryan?
为什么瑞安觉得这有点好笑？
Because Ryan doesn't work for the Houston Chronicle.
因为瑞安不为《休斯顿纪事报》工作。
he's never read the Houston Chronicle.
他从未读过《休斯顿纪事报》。
He's never been to Houston.
他从来没有去过休斯敦。
He's never been to Texas.
他从未去过德克萨斯州。
When he made that phone call, he was sitting more than 1,000 miles away in the Midwest.
当他打电话时，他正坐在 1000 多英里外的中西部。
But, of course, the principal of Bellaire High School can't be expected to know that.
但是，当然，不能指望贝莱尔高中的校长知道这一点。
He probably pictured the newspaper business the way most of us picture it, that Ryan was from the area, that he worked at some crummy office, drove around in a beat up Honda Civic to cover local stories.
他对报业的想象可能和我们大多数人的想象一样，瑞安来自这个地区，他在一个破旧的办公室工作，开着一辆破旧的本田思域到处报道当地的故事。
And it was a little awkward for me.
这对我来说有点尴尬。
Because here I am in Chicago.
因为我在芝加哥。
And he's assuming that I'm a reporter in Houston for the Houston Chronicle .
他假设我是《休斯顿纪事报》驻休斯顿的记者。
So I was like um, why don't we just do this over the phone?
所以我想，嗯，我们为什么不通过电话来做呢？
You didn't tell him?
你没有告诉他吗？
Ryan Smith I didn't tell him.
瑞安·史密斯 我没有告诉他。
I just pretended I was from the Chronicle .
我只是假装我是编年史里的人。
I was like hopefully that they don't ask.
我希望他们不会问。
Because I don't really feel like explaining it.
因为我实在不想解释。
Because I don't even understand it completely.
因为我什至没有完全理解它。
What Ryan doesn't understand completely is the brave new world of journalism he's entered.
瑞安并不完全理解的是他所进入的新闻业的勇敢新世界。
Ryan works for a company that pays people in, say, Chicago, Raleigh, or Boise, to create stories for papers in California, Virginia, or Connecticut, which means embedded in major newspapers all over the country are local notes and stories produced by people who might not know how to pronounce the names of the places they're writing about.
瑞安在一家公司工作，该公司付钱给芝加哥、罗利或博伊西等地的人，为加利福尼亚州、弗吉尼亚州或康涅狄格州的报纸创作故事，这意味着全国各地的主要报纸上都会嵌入当地的笔记和故事，这些人可能不知道如何发音他们所写的地方的名字。
They call it hyper-local news.
他们称之为超本地新闻。
The stories are mostly short, just a paragraph or two sometimes-- the Sheriff's report from York [INAUDIBLE] County, Virginia, who died in Poughkeepsie, New York, and who got a marriage license in Pearland, Texas, the names of all the kids on the headmaster's list at Trinity Preparatory School in Winter Park, Florida.
这些故事大多很短，有时只有一两段——来自弗吉尼亚州约克[听不清]县的治安官的报告，他在纽约州波基普西去世，在德克萨斯州皮尔兰获得结婚证，佛罗里达州温特帕克三一预科学校校长名单上所有孩子的名字。
They do bowling scores, and school lunch menus, and real estate transfers, and holiday trash pickup schedules.
他们负责保龄球比分、学校午餐菜单、房地产转让和假日垃圾收集时间表。
Nothing is too small.
没有什么是太小了。
And the engine of this whole endeavor is data, tons of data that the company mines, and sorts, and enters into databases, public information, and also harder to find records.
整个努力的引擎是数据，公司挖掘、分类并输入数据库、公共信息以及更难找到的记录的大量数据。
It works like an assembly line.
它的工作原理就像一条装配线。
One person does research.
一个人做研究。
Another generates a lead.
另一个产生领先优势。
Another writes it.
另一个写的。
Sometimes a couple of paragraphs might be written by computer using an algorithm.
有时，计算机可能会使用算法编写几个段落。
And someone else edits it.
还有人编辑它。
The goal is to create the largest local news machine ever.
目标是创建有史以来最大的本地新闻机器。
In the next few months, they want to quadruple their output to produce 100,000 stories a week.
在接下来的几个月里，他们希望将产量翻两番，每周制作 100,000 个故事。
The company behind this vision is called Journatic, or maybe Journatic.
这一愿景背后的公司叫做 Journatic，或者可能是 Journatic。
Ryan himself isn't sure.
瑞安本人也不确定。
I've honestly never actually heard it said.
老实说我从来没有真正听到过这样的说法。
But I've always said Journatic.
但我总是说Journatic。
Why are you assuming it's Journatic and not Journatic?
为什么你假设它是Journatic而不是Journatic？
I mean the way you are saying it, it kind of sounds like heretic.
我的意思是你说的方式，听起来有点像异端。
Journatic sounds more like journalism.
新闻听起来更像是新闻业。
It does sound like journalism.
这听起来确实像新闻。
But what makes Ryan uneasy is that he's not sure it is journalism.
但让瑞安不安的是，他不确定这是新闻业。
Ryan went to journalism school, has been a reporter for newspapers in Missouri, and California, and Chicago, for a dozen years.
瑞安毕业于新闻学院，在密苏里州、加利福尼亚州和芝加哥的报纸担任记者十几年。
He got the Journatic job about a year and a half ago when he saw a tweet about it.
大约一年半前，当他看到一条有关该新闻的推文时，他得到了这份工作。
He emailed his resume.
他通过电子邮件发送了简历。
But he was never interviewed.
但他从未接受采访。
Eventually he got an email offering him some work.
最终他收到了一封电子邮件，为他提供了一些工作。
And in fact in all the time he's worked at Journatic, he's never spoken directly to his supervising editor, who sits in St. Louis.
事实上，在他在 Journatic 工作的所有时间里，他从未直接与位于圣路易斯的主管编辑交谈过。
They communicate exclusively through the computer.
他们仅通过计算机进行交流。
When Ryan has a question about how to do something, his supervisor sometimes answers by posting a private video on YouTube.
当 Ryan 对如何做某事有疑问时，他的主管有时会通过在 YouTube 上发布私人视频来回答。
That's the only time Ryan's ever heard the guy's voice.
这是瑞安唯一一次听到这个家伙的声音。
It's all very future.
这一切都非常未来。
After he got the student of the week assignment, Ryan was put in charge of editing death notices and little business briefs for Newsday, a newspaper on Long Island.
在获得本周最佳学生的作业后，瑞安被任命负责编辑死亡通知和长岛报纸《新闻日报》的小商业简报。
And my job was just to copy edit it and again, put it in the database.
我的工作只是复制编辑它，然后再次将其放入数据库中。
And where were these stories coming from?
这些故事是从哪里来的？
Like who was doing the writing that you were editing?
比如你正在编辑的文章是谁写的？
I was told, actually, that they're located in the Philippines.
事实上，我被告知他们位于菲律宾。
That everything you were editing was coming from the Philippines?
你编辑的所有内容都来自菲律宾？
That's what I was told at the time, that these obituaries and these business stories were all written in the Philippines.
当时我被告知，这些讣告和这些商业故事都是在菲律宾写的。
I know, right?
我知道，对吧？
In the Philippines-- which means when you look up the death notice, say, of a man named Eugene Squeleney Jr. on newsday.com, you see a story about him.
在菲律宾，这意味着当你在 newsday.com 上查找一个名叫小尤金·斯奎尼 (Eugene Squeleney Jr.) 的男子的死亡通知时，你会看到一个关于他的故事。
But there's no reporters name attached to it.
但上面没有附上记者的名字。
It just says special to Newsday under the headline.
它只是在标题下说《新闻日报》很特别。
But the story was actually written by someone in the Philippines.
但这个故事实际上是菲律宾人写的。
Journatics internal records listed her as Diana D.
《Journatics》的内部记录将她列为 Diana D.
and say that Diane got the story from the obituary website legacy.com and just slightly rewrote the information there.
并说黛安从讣告网站legacy.com获得了这个故事，并稍微重写了那里的信息。
I called Newsday's newsroom to ask about this, why they would use Journatic for this work.
我打电话给《新闻日报》的新闻编辑室询问此事，为什么他们会使用 Journatic 来完成这项工作。
I didn't get too far.
我没有走得太远。
Mostly I learned that Newsday has exciting hold music.
我主要了解到《新闻日报》有令人兴奋的等待音乐。
I talked to an editor who didn't want to go on tape.
我和一位不想录音的编辑谈过。
When I pointed out the Squeleney story with no reporter's name on it, just special to Newsday , the editor said, quote, "I am totally unfamiliar with this.
当我指出斯奎莱尼的报道没有记者的名字，只是《新闻日报》特有的报道时，编辑说，引用，“我对此完全不熟悉。
I don't know what it is," unquote.
我不知道那是什么，”取消引用。
Then I talked to a company spokesman who cheerfully said he'd look into it.
然后我与公司发言人交谈，他高兴地表示他会调查此事。
But a few days later, I got an email saying he quote, "could not provide any information on this." He wouldn't even say whether Newsday was working with Journatic.
但几天后，我收到一封电子邮件，说他引用了“无法提供任何相关信息”。他甚至不愿透露《Newsday》是否与 Journatic 合作。
Ryan says he learned about the Filipino writers after complaining to his supervisor that the copy he was getting was rife with basic grammar and spelling errors.
瑞安说，他是在向主管抱怨他收到的文本充满了基本语法和拼写错误后才了解菲律宾作家的。
That's when his editor told him to cut the writer some slack.
就在那时，他的编辑告诉他不要对作家放松一点。
They weren't native speakers.
他们不是母语人士。
So Ryan wondered, why do we have these writers at all?
所以瑞安想知道，为什么我们会有这些作家？
His editor wrote back quote, "well someone has to summarize the obits for the death briefs.
他的编辑回复了引文：“好吧，必须有人总结死亡简报的讣告。
And it's cheaper to pay an outsourced writer than to have an American writer editor do it.
而且支付外包作家的费用比请美国作家编辑便宜。
Unfortunately they're basically paid pennies for these.
不幸的是，他们基本上只得到几分钱。
I have Filipinos asking for better pay on a regular basis.
我有菲律宾人定期要求提高工资。
I wish I could do something for them." An ad Journatic placed seeking Filipino writers offered 0.35 to $0.40 per story.
我希望能为他们做点什么。” Journatic 刊登了一则寻找菲律宾作家的广告，报价为每个故事 0.35 至 0.40 美元。
I confirmed with a Filipino writer that they are paid 35 to $0.40 a story and more for longer stuff.
我向一位菲律宾作家证实，他们每篇报道的报酬为 35 至 0.4 美元，篇幅较长的作品则报酬更高。
But wait, there's more.
但等等，还有更多。
Here's Ryan.
这是瑞安。
When I ended up looking at the names on a lot of the stories-- and the names on the stories that were published weren't the ones that I saw that had written the stories.
当我最终查看了很多故事上的名字时，发现已发表的故事上的名字并不是我看到的那些写了这些故事的人。
Here's what he's talking about.
这就是他所说的。
In the Chicago Tribune's local site covering the towns of Homewood and Flossmoor, for example, you can see that Eric and Joan So-and-so have listed for sale their 4 bedroom, 4.5 bath home on such-and-such a street for $695,000, that Eric is a general manager of a building company, that he attended Roosevelt University.
例如，在覆盖霍姆伍德和弗洛斯莫尔镇的《芝加哥论坛报》本地网站中，您可以看到埃里克和琼某某以 695,000 美元的价格挂牌出售他们在某条街上的 4 间卧室、4.5 间浴室的房屋，埃里克是一家建筑公司的总经理，他就读于罗斯福大学。
And there's a picture of him.
还有他的照片。
The reporters name on the story is Jenny Cox.
报道这个故事的记者名叫珍妮·考克斯。
But there is no Jenny Cox.
但没有珍妮·考克斯。
Or even if there is a Jenny Cox somewhere out there, she didn't write the story.
或者即使那里有珍妮·考克斯，这个故事也不是她写的。
The writer was someone named Giselle Bautista in the Philippines who works for Journatic.
作者是来自菲律宾、为 Journatic 工作的吉赛尔·鲍蒂斯塔 (Giselle Bautista)。
Again, looking at the computer system the company uses to manage its stories, it seems that when Giselle worked on this real estate story, there was a button called Select Alias.
再次查看该公司用于管理故事的计算机系统，当吉赛尔处理这个房地产故事时，似乎有一个名为“选择别名”的按钮。
When she clicked on it, she had a choice.
当她点击它时，她就有了一个选择。
She could either be Jenny Cox or Glenda Smith.
她可以是珍妮·考克斯或格伦达·史密斯。
Journatics real estate stories come from a real estate website it also owns, called BlockShopper.
Journatics 的房地产故事来自其旗下的一个房地产网站，名为 BlockShopper。
Some other fake names that have made their way onto the news sites of Journatics clients in the real estate sections-- Carrie Reed, Amy Anderson, Jay Brownstown, Christine Scott, Bettie Verdoon, Sam Andrews, Carla Andrews, Deana Andrews, Sienna Andrews, Cindy Valens, Angie Barrett, CJ Marx, John Simon, Shania Samson, Scott Johnson, and my favorite--
其他一些假名字也出现在房地产版块 Journatics 客户的新闻网站上——Carrie Reed、Amy Anderson、Jay Brownstown、Christine Scott、Bettie Verdoon、Sam Andrews、Carla Andrews、Deana Andrews、Sienna Andrews、Cindy Valens、Angie Barrett、CJ Marx、John Simon、Shania Samson、Scott Johnson，还有我最喜欢的——
Who is Jimmy Finkle?
吉米·芬克尔是谁？
Ryan Smith I have no idea.
瑞安·史密斯 我不知道。
He sounds like a game show host kind of.
他听起来有点像游戏节目主持人。
I feel like he sounds like a Jewish gangster.
我觉得他听起来像个犹太黑帮。
You talk to Jimmy Finkle, the Finks.
你和芬克家族的吉米·芬克尔交谈。
He'll straighten you out.
他会纠正你的。
So you don't know who Jimmy Finkle is.
所以你不知道吉米·芬克尔是谁。
I have no idea.
我不知道。
Sarah Koenig Yet you have edited a story with the byline of Jerry Finkle.
莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig） 然而，您编辑了一篇署名杰里·芬克尔（Jerry Finkle）的故事。
Well-- Sarah Koenig All of this seems wrong to Ryan, which is why he doesn't tell most people where he works.
好吧——莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）所有这些对瑞安来说似乎都是错误的，这就是为什么他不告诉大多数人他在哪里工作。
He's embarrassed.
他很尴尬。
It's sort of a tattered product that's being written overseas, and half-heartedly edited, and just kind of slopped on the page.
这是一种在海外编写的破烂产品，经过半心半意的编辑，就这样散落在纸上。
And journalism is supposed to be sort of like a local institution, and written by people that care about what's going on there.
新闻业应该有点像当地的机构，由关心那里正在发生的事情的人撰写。
When I was a reporter on the Daily Beat , sometimes it was hard.
当我担任 Daily Beat 的记者时，有时很困难。
Sometimes you had to agonize over things.
有时你不得不为一些事情而苦恼。
And sometimes you had to make tough decisions.
有时你必须做出艰难的决定。
And you didn't always get things right, and things like that.
你并不总是把事情做好，诸如此类。
And you actually cared about it.
而你确实关心它。
With this, I was writing stories.
就这样，我开始写故事。
And I don't know those communities.
我不了解那些社区。
And I have no stake in them.
我与他们没有利益关系。
And so it didn't matter to me that I found out all the information and I got it right.
因此，我找到了所有信息并且得到了正确的结果，这对我来说并不重要。
And so there is just something inauthentic about the whole process.
所以整个过程有些不真实。
And the picking of fake names for these writers in the Philippines is just a symptom of that.
为这些菲律宾作家起假名只是其中的一个症状。
The whole thing--
整件事——
When Ryan agreed to this interview, I didn't realize he was going to be quite so frank.
当瑞安同意接受这次采访时，我没有意识到他会如此坦率。
I am.
我是。
Sarah Koenig And are you OK with that?
莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig） 你同意吗？
Um, yeah.
嗯，是的。
Sarah Koenig When he agreed to do this interview, Ryan figured he'd be fired afterwards.
莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 当瑞安同意接受这次采访时，他认为自己会被解雇。
But he says it's worth it if he can do something good for journalism.
但他表示，如果他能为新闻业做点好事，那一切都是值得的。
He says the work he does at Journatic has been weighing on his conscience.
他说他在 Journatic 所做的工作一直困扰着他的良心。
But there's another side to this, one that turns everything Ryan thinks about local reporting on its head.
但这还有另一面，这一面彻底颠覆了瑞安对当地报道的看法。
I personally think that we're saving journalism with our approach.
我个人认为我们正在用我们的方法拯救新闻业。
This is Brian Timpone, Ryan's boss's boss's boss, the founder and CEO of Journatic.
我是 Brian Timpone，Ryan 的老板的老板的老板，Journatic 的创始人兼首席执行官。
And it is pronounced Journatic, by the way.
顺便说一句，它的发音是“Journatic”。
Timpone says it's a mix of journalism and automatic.
廷波说，这是新闻业和自动化的结合。
When I first spoke to him on the phone, he began talking a mile a minute.
当我第一次和他通电话时，他开始滔滔不绝地说下去。
First of all, he loved our radio show.
首先，他喜欢我们的广播节目。
I'm not kidding.
我不是在开玩笑。
I'm president of your fan club.
我是你们粉丝俱乐部的主席。
And I'm not saying this just so you'll give me favorable treatment.
我这么说并不是为了让你给我优惠待遇。
I mean I know you're going to make me look bad.
我的意思是我知道你会让我难堪。
But I don't care.
但我不在乎。
I'll deal with it.
我会处理的。
Because I believe in what we're doing.
因为我相信我们正在做的事情。
We're doing God's work.
我们正在做上帝的工作。
We're not, like, evil.
我们并不是邪恶的。
I used to be a reporter.
我曾经是一名记者。
Needless to say, I liked him right away.
不用说，我立刻就喜欢上了他。
And I wanted to understand how what he was doing would save journalism.
我想了解他所做的事情将如何拯救新闻业。
Timpone's premise is that what he calls the single reporter model, the old way of doing local reporting, that Ryan used to do and that I used to do as a local reporter-- that it just doesn't work, and that it hasn't really worked in 30 or 40 years.
Timpone 的前提是，他所说的单一记者模式，即瑞安过去和我作为当地记者时所做的旧的当地报道方式——它根本行不通，而且已经有 30 或 40 年没有真正发挥作用了。
It's going to get better if we do it this way.
如果我们这样做的话，情况会变得更好。
That's my belief.
这就是我的信念。
What's going to get better?
什么情况会好转？
Brian Timpone Journalism is going to get better.
布莱恩·廷波新闻业将会变得更好。
How?
如何？
Brian Timpone We need to see more things.
Brian Timpone 我们需要看到更多的东西。
No one covers suburban America.
没有人覆盖美国郊区。
No one covers all these small towns.
没有人覆盖所有这些小镇。
Look at that story in-- was in Dixon, Illinois, that lady stole like 30 million bucks?
看看那个故事——在伊利诺伊州迪克森，那位女士偷了大约 3000 万美元？
It was actually 53 million bucks in the end.
最终实际上是5300万美元。
The town controller had been siphoning taxpayer money off the budget for 20 years before another city worker filling in for her stumbled on it.
二十年来，镇长一直从预算中抽走纳税人的钱，直到另一位接替她的城市工作人员偶然发现了这一点。
How'd that happen?
这是怎么发生的？
No one was watching.
没有人在看。
And I'm not saying we're the solution.
我并不是说我们就是解决方案。
But we're certainly on the road to the solution.
但我们确实正在寻找解决方案。
We're going to look at that stuff and help our partners.
我们将研究这些内容并帮助我们的合作伙伴。
And there's 400 people or something in the Chicago Tribune newsroom.
《芝加哥论坛报》新闻编辑室里有 400 人左右。
And they couldn't cover Dixon.
他们无法报道迪克森。
They had enough on their plate.
他们的盘子已经够多了。
There's a darn daily newspaper in that town.
那个镇上有一份该死的日报。
I live in River Forest.
我住在河流森林。
There's a weekly paper there.
那里有一份周报。
And Maywood, next to me-- there's nothing-- literally nothing.
梅伍德就在我旁边——什么也没有——实际上什么也没有。
Yeah.
是的。
Brian Timpone Not a single paper covering the town.
布赖恩·廷彭 (Brian Timpone) 没有一篇报纸报道这个小镇。
Isn't that scary?
这不可怕吗？
So how is that going to get solved?
那么这个问题将如何解决呢？
The most radical part of Timpone's pitch, at least to me, is that if you're trying to cover a town like say, Flossmoor, south of Chicago, being on the ground is actually a hindrance.
至少对我来说，廷波尼的宣传中最激进的部分是，如果你试图报道像芝加哥南部的弗洛斯莫尔这样的城镇，那么在地面上实际上是一个障碍。
So you're saying it doesn't matter.
所以你说没关系。
It just does it matter.
这很重要。
You don't need to be there.
你不需要在那里。
What I'm saying is go to Flossmoor.
我的意思是去弗洛斯莫尔。
We should go together.
我们应该一起去。
Let's go walk the streets of Flossmoor together.
我们一起去弗洛斯莫尔的街道散步吧。
And tell me what you learn by being there.
并告诉我你在那里学到了什么。
Let's go live there for six months and tell me if you feel better equipped to cover the budget.
我们去那里住六个月吧，然后告诉我您是否感觉更有能力支付预算。
You won't be.
你不会的。
That's the kind of--
就是这样的——
Really?
真的吗？
You really believe that, that after six months of living in Flossmoor, I would have no sense of the community or what was important to the people who live there if I actually talked to human beings who live in Flossmoor?
你真的相信，在弗洛斯莫尔生活了六个月后，如果我真的与居住在弗洛斯莫尔的人们交谈，我就会对社区没有任何感觉，或者对居住在那里的人们来说什么是重要的？
Here's what I'd say is if you looked at the content we produce, in most cases, you wouldn't even notice it's from a reporter who lives somewhere else, who is writing the same story.
我想说的是，如果你看我们制作的内容，在大多数情况下，你甚至不会注意到它来自住在其他地方的记者，他正在写同样的故事。
It's just done more efficiently.
它只是做得更有效。
You almost said the word cheaply, didn't you?
你差点就说出了这个词，不是吗？
[INAUDIBLE].
[听不清]。
Sarah Koenig I heard it start to come out.
莎拉·科尼格 我听说它开始出来了。
I heard a ch--
我听到一声——
It is cheaply.
它很便宜。
But it's not.
但事实并非如此。
You got me.
你抓住了我。
Yes.
是的。
As for the source of that cheap labor, Timpone said, yeah.
至于廉价劳动力的来源，廷波说，是的。
They've got 100 freelancers offshore, not just in the Philippines, but in Eastern Europe, the former Soviet Republics, Brazil, and Africa.
他们在海外拥有 100 名自由职业者，不仅在菲律宾，而且在东欧、前苏联共和国、巴西和非洲。
In the US, they've got 200 more, plus 50 US staffers and growing.
在美国，他们还有 200 名员工，另外还有 50 名美国员工，而且还在不断增加。
If you want to see what Journatic can do for a big metro paper, look at the Chicago Tribune .
如果您想了解 Journatic 可以为大型都市报纸做些什么，请查看《芝加哥论坛报》。
About five years ago, long before they hooked up with Journatic, the Tribune decided to get into the community news business.
大约五年前，早在他们与 Journatic 合作之前，《论坛报》就决定进入社区新闻业务。
Brad Moore, vice president of Targeted Media for the Tribune Company, told me that they were looking to bring in money, same as a lot of big metro dailies.
论坛报公司目标媒体副总裁布拉德·摩尔告诉我，他们正在寻求赚钱，就像许多大型都市日报一样。
The notion is that if you can capture local advertising dollars, then you're not so dependent on big national accounts which can cripple your finances if they pull out.
这个想法是，如果你能获得当地的广告收入，那么你就不会那么依赖大型国民账户，如果他们退出，你的财务状况可能会受到损害。
So under the title TribLocal, the Chicago Tribune launched 90 websites and 22 weekly print editions covering towns all around Chicago.
因此，《芝加哥论坛报》以 TribLocal 为标题，推出了 90 个网站和 22 个印刷周刊，涵盖芝加哥各地的城镇。
To staff the sites, Tribune hired 18 reporters.
论坛报聘请了 18 名记者作为网站人员。
But Brad Moore told me that model just didn't work.
但布拉德·摩尔告诉我，这个模型根本行不通。
Reporters weren't generating enough stories to keep people coming to the websites.
记者没有产生足够的故事来吸引人们访问网站。
And hiring a bunch more reporters was too expensive.
雇用更多记者的成本太高了。
So this spring, Tribute higher Journatic.
所以这个春天，致敬更高的Journatic。
It actually bought a share in the company to run TribLocal.
它实际上购买了该公司的股份来运营 TribLocal。
As part of the switch over, the Tribune laid off about half of its 40 person TribLocal staff, including seven reporters.
作为转型的一部分，《论坛报》解雇了 40 名 TribLocal 员工中的大约一半，其中包括 7 名记者。
Another 11 reporters were sent to Tribune's larger suburban bureaus.
另外 11 名记者被派往论坛报较大的郊区分社。
Here's Brad Moore from the Trib .
请听来自部落的布拉德·摩尔的报道。
So far, we're very happy with what Journatic is doing for us.
到目前为止，我们对 Journatic 为我们所做的事情感到非常满意。
We're getting a lot more content.
我们得到了更多的内容。
And when you say you're getting more content, how much more content?
当您说您获得了更多内容时，具体是多少内容？
It looks from a sheer volume standpoint, about three times the amount of content pieces that we had before.
从纯粹的数量角度来看，它的内容数量大约是我们之前的三倍。
In most cases, yes.
在大多数情况下，是的。
And then we're already looking at ways to reinvest those savings into more towns.
然后我们已经在寻找将这些储蓄再投资到更多城镇的方法。
We've actually launched two additional towns in TribLocal that we weren't in before, Homewood, and Flossmoor, and Oaklawn-- actually three towns.
实际上，我们在 TribLocal 中推出了另外两个我们之前没有的城镇，霍姆伍德、弗洛斯莫尔和奥克劳恩——实际上是三个城镇。
We're looking at the city of Chicago to see what neighborhoods we might want to launch into.
我们正在关注芝加哥市，看看我们可能想要进入哪些社区。
So yes, it's more content.
所以是的，它的内容更多。
It's at a savings.
这是在节省。
But more excitingly, we hope to take that savings and reinvest it into more coverage.
但更令人兴奋的是，我们希望利用这笔节省的资金，将其重新投资到更多的保险领域。
Brad Moore said the TribLocal local sites are getting more web traffic now the Jounatic has taken over.
布拉德·摩尔 (Brad Moore) 表示，现在 Jounatic 接管了 TribLocal 本地网站，其网络流量正在增加。
And Moore says he has no problem with out of state or offshore workers generating news briefs and small stories.
摩尔表示，他对州外或离岸工人制作新闻简报和小故事没有意见。
But the subject was sensitive enough that he didn't want to discuss on tape who was writing what and under what name.
但这个话题足够敏感，他不想在录音中讨论谁在写什么、以什么名字写的。
Because no newspaper wants the story about them to be Tribune Fires American Writers, Hires Filipinos for Cheaper.
因为没有一家报纸希望有关他们的故事成为《论坛报》解雇美国作家、廉价雇用菲律宾人的报道。
All he would say on tape about it was this--
他在录音带上只会说这样的话——
Just to be clear, all of the writing and editing of everything that Journatic is doing is happening by professional journalists here in the US.
需要明确的是，Journatic 所做的所有写作和编辑都是由美国的专业记者进行的。
I went around and around about this with both Brad Moore and Brian Timpone who insisted that Filipinos were not writing stories.
我和布拉德·摩尔（Brad Moore）和布莱恩·廷彭（Brian Timpone）反复讨论了这个问题，他们坚称菲律宾人不写故事。
They were more like typing information, assembling it in paragraph form, which sounds to me a lot like writing.
它们更像是输入信息，以段落形式将其组装起来，这对我来说听起来很像写作。
Brian Timpone told me this was a semantic confusion I was having.
Brian Timpone 告诉我，这是我遇到的语义混乱。
Really what they're doing is assembling and copy editing a bunch of facts, right?
实际上，他们正在做的是组装和复制编辑一堆事实，对吧？
So they write the lead.
所以他们写了主角。
If there's a paragraph about a person, the paragraph is technically written by someone in the Philippines, but not written.
如果有一个关于某人的段落，从技术上讲，该段落是由菲律宾人写的，但不是写的。
It's like they have to type out who the person is, right?
就像他们必须输入这个人是谁，对吧？
So they have to know how to write to send it over.
所以他们必须知道如何写才能将其发送出去。
I mean but to say oh, it's written in the Philippines-- I mean there might be a paragraph of it that the first draft is written in the Phillipines.
我的意思是，但要说哦，它是在菲律宾写的——我的意思是，其中可能有一段初稿是在菲律宾写的。
Timpone declined to put me in touch with any of his Filipino employees.
廷波内拒绝让我与他的任何菲律宾员工取得联系。
But I reached out to half a dozen of them on my own.
但我自己联系了其中的六位。
You yourself are writing those stories, right?
这些故事都是你自己写的，对吗？
You're not just gathering the information and sending it along to an American writer or editor.
您不仅仅是收集信息并将其发送给美国作家或编辑。
You yourself are writing those.
这些都是你自己写的。
Yeah.
是的。
Sarah Koenig That one word is all you're going to hear from this particular worker at his request.
莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）：应这位特定工人的要求，你只能从这句话中听到这句话。
He's got a full time professional job.
他有一份全职专业工作。
But he told me his Journatic work pays better.
但他告诉我他的新闻工作报酬更高。
And he needs the money to help pay his family's expenses.
他需要钱来帮助支付家庭开支。
Plus he likes the work.
而且他喜欢这份工作。
Back in April when the Tribune announced that Journatic would be providing stories for TribLocal , some readers and media watchers instantly began to grumble about the job losses but also about the product.
早在四月份，当《论坛报》宣布 Journatic 将为 TribLocal 提供报道时，一些读者和媒体观察家立即开始抱怨失业以及该产品。
It was canned, they said, barely rewritten press releases and daily stories under the news section about top DVD rentals in town or where to find the cheapest gas according to gasbuddy.com.
他们说，它是罐装的，几乎没有重写新闻稿和新闻部分的每日故事，内容涉及镇上顶级 DVD 租赁或根据 Gasbuddy.com 哪里可以找到最便宜的汽油。
No context, no analysis.
没有背景，没有分析。
Chicago Media columnist, Robert Feder, wrote, "I used to look forward to receiving TribLocal , the weekly hyperlocal news insert in my Chicago Tribune .
芝加哥媒体专栏作家罗伯特·费德 (Robert Feder) 写道：“我曾经期待收到 TribLocal，这是我的《芝加哥论坛报》中每周插入的超本地化新闻。
But now it's become a worthless piece of garbage.
但现在却变成了毫无价值的垃圾。
Major news stories in my suburb are completely ignored.
我所在郊区的重大新闻报道完全被忽视。
In its first three weeks, I've seen nothing in this new rag but press releases, computer generated junk, and of course ads.
在它的前三周里，除了新闻稿、计算机生成的垃圾，当然还有广告，我在这块新衣服上什么也没看到。
What passes for a police blotter is a long list of street names, one and two word descriptions, and a time and date," unquote.
所谓的警察记事簿是一长串街道名称、一两个词的描述，以及时间和日期，”引述如下。
Journatic does longer stories too that actually require real reporting.
Journatic 也有较长的故事，实际上需要真实的报道。
But even there the quality is questionable.
但即使在那里，质量也值得怀疑。
Take this story Ryan Smith wrote for TribLocal about the Flossmoor village budget.
以 Ryan Smith 为 TribLocal 撰写的关于 Flossmoor 村预算的故事为例。
Flossmoor is one of the towns the Trib started covering when Journatic took over, a small upper middle class town south of Chicago.
弗洛斯莫尔是《杂志》接管后部落开始报道的城镇之一，是芝加哥南部的一个上层中产阶级小镇。
Ryan had never been to Flossmoor.
瑞安从未去过弗洛斯莫尔。
But he looked at the budget online and called the village's finance director.
但他在网上查看了预算，并给村里的财务主任打电话。
His lead was at the village board had passed the budget, quote, "which the board says reflects a healthy state of the villages finances."
他的领导是村委会已经通过了预算，引用的话，“委员会说这反映了村庄财务的健康状况。”
But Ryan didn't know whether there was any argument over the budget or taxes beforehand.
但瑞安不知道事前是否存在关于预算或税收的争论。
Again he had never covered the town before.
再说一遍，他以前从未走遍过这座城镇。
I'm sure there was a public meeting.
我确信有一个公开会议。
And there may have been people that were upset about the way that they were spending their money.
可能有人对他们花钱的方式感到不安。
Maybe they were upset that $500,000 is being used to replace the streetlights.
也许他们对花费 50 万美元更换路灯感到不安。
But I didn't see those people.
但我没有看到那些人。
I didn't know if there were any objections.
不知道有没有人反对。
And you weren't going to call around and find out was there any dissent?
你不会打电话询问是否有异议？
Was anybody at the meeting?
有人参加会议吗？
I wasn't told to.
我没有被告知要这样做。
I was told to talk to one source and then just get a couple quotes basically, and then just plug it in.
我被告知要与一个消息来源交谈，然后基本上只获取一些报价，然后将其插入。
I just had to talk to some city official, who is going to want to paint the city in the best light possible.
我只需要与一些城市官员交谈，他们希望尽可能以最好的方式描绘这座城市。
So you don't get the other side with this kind of reporting.
所以你不会通过这种报道得到对方的支持。
Of course Ryan could've made a few more calls to find out if there had been any controversy.
当然，瑞安可以再打几次电话，看看是否存在任何争议。
But it wasn't worth his while.
但这不值得他花时间。
Especially for a reporter, for a freelance writer, if you're only getting paid $12 for a story, it's not really in your interest to do a proper reporter's job on it.
特别是对于一名记者，对于一名自由撰稿人来说，如果你的一篇报道只获得 12 美元的报酬，那么做一个适当的记者工作并不符合你的利益。
For this story, yeah, I believe it's $12 or $14.
对于这个故事，是的，我相信它是 12 美元或 14 美元。
Ryan spent three or four hours on the story, which means he was paid something like $4 an hour.
Ryan 在这个故事上花了三四个小时，这意味着他每小时的报酬约为 4 美元。
At that rate, it makes a lot more sense for you to churn out as many $12 stories as you can as fast as you can, which means you don't call more than one source.
按照这个速度，尽可能快地制作出尽可能多的 12 美元的故事对你来说更有意义，这意味着你不会调用多个来源。
And you might miss the meaning of your story.
你可能会错过你的故事的意义。
There actually is a suburban paper which covers Flossmoore.
实际上有一份郊区报纸报道了弗洛斯莫尔。
It's called the South Town Star .
它的名字叫南镇星。
I called its managing editor, Joe Biesk.
我给总编辑乔·比斯克打了电话。
And he said they sent a freelancer, who lives in Flossmoore, to that budget meeting, which Ryan never attended.
他说，他们派了一名住在弗洛斯莫尔的自由职业者参加那个预算会议，但瑞安从未参加过。
The freelancer told her editor that the budget passed by the village board was a continuation of the one already in place, and there was nothing that stood out to her.
这位自由职业者告诉她的编辑，村委会通过的预算是现有预算的延续，对她来说没有什么突出的地方。
So Biesk said, we made an editorial decision not to run a story.
所以比斯克说，我们做出了不发表报道的编辑决定。
That's the old way.
这是老方法。
Go to the meeting.
去参加会议。
Consider the context.
考虑上下文。
And then decide whether it's newsworthy.
然后决定它是否具有新闻价值。
Journatics' way is just the facts, lots and lots of facts.
新闻的方式就是事实，大量的事实。
Journatics founder, Brian Timpone, understands that his company doesn't do perfect reporting.
Journatics 创始人布莱恩·廷波 (Brian Timpone) 明白，他的公司并没有提供完美的报道。
Stop comparing us to the New York Times , he told me.
他告诉我，不要再将我们与《纽约时报》进行比较。
All we are saying is, if you want to do community news, cover places you've never covered before, Journatic can get you started.
我们想说的是，如果您想做社区新闻，报道以前从未报道过的地方，Journatic 可以帮助您入门。
And if Journatic does the busy work, it frees up real staff reporters at papers like the Trib , or the Houston Chronicle , or the Hartford Current , to do more substantial hard hitting work.
如果《Journatic》承担了这项繁忙的工作，那么《部落》、《休斯敦纪事报》或《哈特福德时事报》等报纸的真正记者就可以腾出时间来做更实质性的硬性工作。
And it gives these reporters access to all kinds of data they might have had before.
它使这些记者能够访问他们以前可能拥有的各种数据。
All those school board minutes, and village budgets, and city council agendas nobody wants to look at-- Timpone's saying we'll look at them.
所有这些学校董事会会议记录、村庄预算和市议会议程没人愿意看——廷波说我们会看它们。
I would posit that it's better to have somebody look at them than to have nobody look at them.
我认为有人看它们比没人看它们更好。
You know what?
你知道吗？
Newspapers are firing people.
报纸正在解雇人。
Newspapers are struggling.
报纸正在苦苦挣扎。
They're going bankrupt.
他们要破产了。
We have a solution that helps solve the problem, right?
我们有一个解决方案可以帮助解决问题，对吗？
Cutting staff is not the way to growth.
裁员并不是增长之道。
But empowering a reporter with people in the Philippines-- that's a really smart thing to do.
但让菲律宾人为记者提供帮助——这是一件非常明智的事情。
The criticism's fine.
批评就好了
But at the end of the day, what's a better solution?
但归根结底，有什么更好的解决方案呢？
Yeah.
是的。
Brian Timpone I mean do you have one?
Brian Timpone 我的意思是你有吗？
Tell me if you have a better idea, I'm all ears.
如果你有更好的主意请告诉我，我洗耳恭听。
I don't have a better idea.
我没有更好的主意。
And the newspaper business as a whole doesn't seem to have a better idea, not unless consumers want to start paying properly for their news.
整个报纸行业似乎也没有更好的主意，除非消费者想开始为新闻付费。
So many newspapers are floundering and bleeding staff.
许多报纸陷入困境，员工流血。
According to the website Paper Cuts, something like 35,000 people have lost newspaper jobs since 2008 because of layoffs and buyouts.
据 Paper Cuts 网站称，自 2008 年以来，约有 35,000 人因裁员和收购而失去了报纸工作。
Unlike most newspapers in America, Journatic is hiring.
与美国大多数报纸不同，Journatic 正在招聘。
Sarah Keonig.
萨拉·科尼格.
She's one of the producers of our program.
她是我们节目的制作人之一。
After she asked Brian Timpone about the fake names on certain stories that Journatic publishes, Timpone told her that Journatic decided to eliminate the fake names.
在她向 Brian Timpone 询问 Journatic 发布的某些报道中的假名后，Timpone 告诉她 Journatic 决定消除这些假名。
Brad Moore of the Chicago Tribune told us that the Trib is not going to allow them any more either.
《芝加哥论坛报》的布拉德·摩尔告诉我们，论坛也不会再允许他们了。
The stories that Filipino writers work on will be credited to the editors of the stories.
菲律宾作家创作的故事将归功于故事的编辑。
We will get a generic byline like Neighborhood News Service.
我们将获得像邻里新闻服务这样的通用署名。
The real Filipinos' names will not appear in the paper.
真正的菲律宾人的名字不会出现在报纸上。
Coming up, learning to eat fish eyes and suck marrow from chicken bones to get close to mom.
快来，学着吃鱼眼、吸鸡骨头骨髓来亲近妈妈。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show, Switcharoo, people pretending to be something they are not, sometimes harmlessly, sometimes not so harmlessly, sometimes it's hard to tell which one it is.
今天的节目《Switcharoo》，人们假装自己不是，有时无害，有时不那么无害，有时很难分辨是哪一个。
We've arrived at Act Three of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three, Runaway Groom.
第三幕，逃跑的新郎。
We close our show today with parents who are pretending to be parents, though as you'll hear sometimes not pretending very hard.
今天我们的节目以假装父母的父母结束我们的节目，尽管你会听到有时假装得不太努力。
Jackie Clarke tells what happened.
杰基·克拉克讲述了发生的事情。
The life rules my father would announce to my brother, my sister, and me, were never rules that any other parents seemed to have, like when I was five and he told me, a real woman doesn't drink beer, especially from a can.
我父亲向我的兄弟、姐妹和我宣布的生活规则，从来都不是其他父母所遵循的规则，就像我五岁的时候，他告诉我，一个真正的女人不喝啤酒，尤其是罐装啤酒。
Or you ever notice that only ugly people end up on welfare?
或者你有没有注意到只有丑陋的人才能领取福利？
Or the time he was teaching me to use a handgun in our backyard in suburban Massachusetts.
或者有一次他在马萨诸塞州郊区我们的后院教我使用手枪。
Always shoot to kill, Jackie, never to wound.
杰基，永远开枪杀人，永远不要受伤。
Shoot to kill.
射杀。
I was 10.
我当时10岁。
My mom-- I don't remember a lot about.
我的妈妈——我不太记得了。
She died when I was in first grade-- complications from diabetes.
我一年级时她就去世了——死于糖尿病并发症。
And for a couple of years after my mom died, my dad did his best to raise us on his own.
在我母亲去世后的几年里，我父亲竭尽全力独自抚养我们长大。
He made a point of having family dinners.
他特意安排家庭聚餐。
He coached our soccer teams, threw us birthday parties.
他担任我们足球队的教练，为我们举办生日派对。
Eventually he started dating.
最终他开始约会。
For a while he was a member of a support group called Parents Without Partners.
有一段时间，他是一个名为“没有伴侣的父母”的支持小组的成员。
But he quit because he said it was all chunky broads looking for a husband.
但他辞职了，因为他说这都是大块头女人在找丈夫。
That's when the catalogs started arriving.
就在那时，目录开始到达。
My dad had decided he wanted a mail order bride.
我父亲决定想要一个邮购新娘。
He never hid it from his kids.
他从不向孩子们隐瞒这一点。
Over plates of spaghetti he'd passed out the latest mail order bride catalog and tell us to pick out the ones you like.
一边吃着意大利面条，他一边分发最新的邮购新娘目录，并告诉我们挑选你喜欢的。
My sister and I always picked out the pretty ones with nice smiles.
我和姐姐总是挑选那些笑容灿烂的漂亮姑娘。
I don't think we really understand what we were looking at.
我认为我们并没有真正理解我们在看什么。
It seemed like a Sears wish book for moms.
这似乎是西尔斯为妈妈们准备的一本愿望书。
Then one day this Filipino beauty arrived.
然后有一天，一位菲律宾美女来了。
Her name was Pura.
她的名字叫普拉。
She was 25 years old.
她当时25岁。
And she married my father in a Justice of the Peace ceremony.
她在太平绅士的仪式上嫁给了我父亲。
And instead of taking his new bride on a honeymoon, my dad took off for one of his month long business trips overseas.
我父亲没有带他的新娘去度蜜月，而是出发去进行为期一个月的海外商务旅行。
And we three kids were left in the care of a woman he had found in a catalog.
我们三个孩子由他在目录中找到的一位女士照顾。
My siblings and I dealt with Pura in different ways.
我和我的兄弟姐妹以不同的方式对待普拉。
My sister, Allie, made trouble.
我的妹妹艾莉惹了麻烦。
My brother, Jeff, became invisible.
我的兄弟杰夫变得隐形了。
But I was the middle child.
但我是排行中间的孩子。
And I wanted things to work.
我希望一切顺利。
I was 100% on board for Pura as our new mother.
我百分百同意 Pura 作为我们的新妈妈。
I asked Pura if I could call her mom.
我问普拉我是否可以叫她妈妈。
She said call me Pura.
她说叫我普拉。
I tried to be exactly like her.
我试图变得和她一模一样。
When Pura ate fish eyes and sucked the marrow out of chicken bones, so did I.
当普拉吃鱼眼、吸鸡骨头骨髓时，我也一样。
Pura told me that when she was a girl, she'd slept with a close pin on her nose to make it look more American.
普拉告诉我，当她还是个女孩的时候，她睡觉时会用别针紧紧地压住鼻子，让鼻子看起来更美国化。
So I started pressing my nose flat to my face to make it look more Filipino.
所以我开始把鼻子压在脸上，让它看起来更像菲律宾人。
In fifth grade when my teacher went around the room asking us what nationality we where, I told her Filipino.
五年级时，当我的老师在房间里走来走去问我们是什么国籍时，我告诉她菲律宾人。
She looked at my pale freckled skin and blue eyes and asked again.
她看着我苍白的雀斑皮肤和蓝色的眼睛，又问道。
Really?
真的吗？
I nodded.
我点点头。
Yep, I'm Filipino.
是的，我是菲律宾人。
Through my whole teenage years, I continued to expect Pura to suddenly start acting like the moms in the Judy Blume books I loved.
在我整个青少年时期，我一直期望普拉能突然开始表现得像我喜欢的朱迪·布鲁姆书中的妈妈们一样。
When I was 12, I asked Pura if she could show me how to shave my legs.
当我 12 岁的时候，我问 Pura 是否可以教我如何刮腿毛。
I had it in my mind she would jump at the chance.
我心里想她一定会抓住这个机会。
And we would giggle and bond.
我们会咯咯笑并建立联系。
She wasn't interested.
她不感兴趣。
When I got my first period, I didn't know what had happened, not because I wasn't expecting it, but because it wasn't red like blood-- more brownish.
当我第一次来月经时，我不知道发生了什么，不是因为我没有预料到它，而是因为它不像血液那样是红色的——更呈棕色。
So I just put my soiled underpants in the laundry hamper.
所以我只是把脏内裤放进洗衣篮里。
A week later, a giant box of generic sanitary pads appeared on my bed.
一周后，我的床上出现了一大盒普通卫生巾。
I asked Pura why they were there.
我问普拉他们为什么在那里。
She looked down at me and said, you got your period, stupid.
她低头看着我说，你来月经了，笨蛋。
It wasn't that Pura didn't like me.
并不是普拉不喜欢我。
She just had no desire to be a mother to me.
她只是不想成为我的母亲。
And all this made be closer to my dad.
这一切都让我和父亲更加亲近。
He was gone a lot for work, sometimes months at a time.
他经常出差工作，有时一次出差好几个月。
But when he was around, he had this way of swooping in at key moments.
但当他在场的时候，他就有这种在关键时刻突然出击的方式。
He was the one who helped me shave my legs when Pura refused to do it, using his BIC razor and his Edge shaving gel.
当 Pura 拒绝时，他用他的 BIC 剃须刀和 Edge 剃须凝胶帮我刮腿毛。
He was also the one who took me shopping for my first bra.
他也是带我买第一件胸罩的人。
And I was there for him.
我就在他身边。
You see, his marriage to Pura was never a good one.
你看，他与普拉的婚姻从来都不是一件好事。
It was basically hellish fighting followed by silent treatments.
这基本上是地狱般的战斗，然后是沉默的治疗。
And I was my dad's apologist.
我是我父亲的辩护者。
Whenever Pura or my siblings got mad at my dad, I defended him.
每当普拉或我的兄弟姐妹生我父亲的气时，我都会为他辩护。
I backed him up.
我支持他。
So it's not surprising to me that I was the one my dad came to years later when he needed to confess to someone in our family and that he actually had a second family.
因此，几年后，当我父亲需要向我们家里的某个人坦白时，我来找我，而且他实际上有第二个家庭，这对我来说并不奇怪。
I was in college when my dad told me that after only a few years of marriage to Pura and unbeknownst to us all, he had started a new relationship with another Filipino woman.
当我上大学时，我父亲告诉我，在与普拉结婚几年后，在我们所有人都不知道的情况下，他与另一位菲律宾女人开始了新的关系。
This one lived in the Philippines.
这个人住在菲律宾。
Her name was Joedin and they had two children together.
她的名字叫乔丁，他们有两个孩子。
I was home on break for Thanksgiving when he broke the news to me, that basically he had been lying to our whole family for years, that his prolonged business trips weren't just for business.
当我回家过感恩节时，他向我透露了这个消息，基本上他多年来一直在对我们全家撒谎，他长时间的出差不仅仅是为了生意。
They were trips so he could visit and take care of his other family.
这些旅行是为了让他能够拜访并照顾他的其他家人。
But I didn't freak out.
但我并没有惊慌。
I wanted to be there for my dad.
我想在我父亲身边。
I knew that, yes, what my father was doing was terrible, and bizarre, and wrong.
我知道，是的，我父亲所做的事情是可怕的、奇怪的、错误的。
But somehow my next thought was maybe has a good reason.
但不知何故，我的下一个想法也许有充分的理由。
Finally, after 16 years of marriage, Pura sued my father for divorce.
最后，结婚16年后，普拉起诉我父亲离婚。
And as a lot of you may know, divorce is hard on everybody.
你们很多人可能都知道，离婚对每个人来说都很难。
Raise your hand out there if your parents are divorced and they expected you to take sides.
如果你的父母离婚并且他们希望你站在一边，请举手。
That's the worst, right?
那是最糟糕的，对吧？
OK.
好的。
Now raise your hand if your stepmother snuck into your fathers house and snatched a bunch of documents, and possibly again, and then got so mad she stabbed the couch to death with a kitchen knife.
现在，如果你的继母偷偷溜进你父亲的房子，抢走了一堆文件，甚至可能再次抢走，然后非常生气，用菜刀刺死了沙发，请举手。
In a divorce case lasting five years, my father appeared in court a total of 0 times.
在一场历时五年的离婚案中，我父亲总共出庭0次。
As the case progressed, the following things about my father became clear.
随着案件的进展，关于我父亲的以下事情逐渐清晰。
We discovered he had moved almost all of his money to an offshore bank account in the Bahamas.
我们发现他已将几乎所有资金转移到巴哈马的离岸银行账户。
We discovered he had applied for several credit cards in the name of our parrot, Ranya Clark, and then maxed them out.
我们发现他以我们的鹦鹉拉尼娅·克拉克（Ranya Clark）的名义申请了几张信用卡，然后把它们刷爆了。
And we discovered that the only checking account he had access to in the United States was in the name of this Thai man my father used to do business with named Peishit Asflopluprong.
我们发现他在美国唯一可以使用的支票账户是我父亲曾经和他做生意的泰国人 Peishit Asflopluprong 的名字。
I know it sounds like I'm making up that name, but it's a real name.
我知道这听起来像是我编造的名字，但这是一个真实的名字。
And the final and most upsetting discovery was when my father informed me he had moved to the Philippines and was going to stay there with no intentions of ever settling his divorce with Pura.
最后也是最令人沮丧的发现是当我父亲告诉我他已经搬到菲律宾并打算留在那里，无意解决与普拉的离婚问题时。
So Pura had no other recourse.
所以普拉没有其他办法。
She sued me and my brother and sister for $200,000.
她起诉我和我的兄弟姐妹，索赔 20 万美元。
Actually, technically, we had to sue her.
事实上，从技术上讲，我们必须起诉她。
You see the judge was going to award Pura the house we all grew up in since my dad was doing nothing to intervene.
你看，法官打算把我们长大的房子判给普拉，因为我父亲没有采取任何干预措施。
But this was the house that my mom had left us when she died.
但这是我妈妈去世时留给我们的房子。
it was also the house that my sister and her son, Troy, were currently living in.
这也是我姐姐和她儿子特洛伊目前居住的房子。
So the three of us fought Pura in court.
于是我们三个人在法庭上与普拉打了起来。
During the trial the judge made a statement from the bench.
庭审期间，法官作了法庭陈述。
She said she admired us kids for sticking together.
她说她很钦佩我们这些孩子能团结在一起。
Then she said my father was not a good man, which was the first time I had heard someone who wasn't married to my father accuse him of that.
然后她说我父亲不是一个好人，这是我第一次听到没有与我父亲结婚的人这样指责他。
In the end, we offered Pura a cash settlement.
最后，我们向 Pura 提供了现金和解。
And she accepted.
她接受了。
We mortgaged the hell out of the house to get Pura the money.
我们把房子抵押出去才给普拉拿到钱。
We kids paid for our fathers divorce, $200,000.
我们这些孩子为父亲离婚支付了 20 万美元。
The last time I spoke to my dad was about a month after the trial ended.
我最后一次和父亲说话是在审判结束后大约一个月。
I was in a cab in New York City, late for an appointment.
我在纽约市的一辆出租车里，约会迟到了。
And my father called me from the Philippines.
我父亲从菲律宾给我打电话。
I told them that we lost the court case.
我告诉他们我们输了官司。
And before I could stop myself, I asked him what he thought we should do as if he was going to fix it.
在我阻止自己之前，我问他认为我们应该做什么，就好像他要解决这个问题一样。
I still thought he would do the right thing, that he would be a dad.
我仍然认为他会做正确的事，他会成为一名父亲。
But he didn't do the right thing.
但他没有做正确的事。
He didn't swoop in and help.
他没有冲上去帮忙。
He just avoided the question.
他只是回避了这个问题。
Then he told me not to give anyone his cell phone number, especially Pura.
然后他告诉我不要给任何人他的手机号码，尤其是普拉。
I hung up the phone and burst into tears.
我挂了电话，泪流满面。
And yes, I know it's crazy that I hadn't already written my dad off by this point.
是的，我知道这很疯狂，因为我此时还没有放弃我的父亲。
I just didn't get it.
我只是不明白。
I knew that Pura was never the mom I so badly wanted.
我知道普拉从来都不是我如此渴望的妈妈。
But I just couldn't see that my dad was never really the dad I thought he was.
但我就是看不到我的父亲从来都不是我想象的那样。
I always thought that of the two of them, he was my one real parent.
我一直以为他们两个中，他才是我真正的父母。
I was wrong.
我错了。
That was almost the worst part, that I had been in such denial about my dad for so long.
这几乎是最糟糕的部分，因为我这么长时间以来一直否认我的父亲。
What the judge said during our trial was right.
法官在审判过程中所说的都是对的。
My father was not a good man.
我的父亲不是一个好人。
That phone call was seven years ago.
那通电话是七年前的事了。
I haven't talked to my father since.
从那以后我就没有和我父亲说过话。
And that's not a decision I consciously made.
这不是我有意识地做出的决定。
I never said I'm never speaking to my father again.
我从来没有说过我再也不会和我父亲说话了。
It just happened.
它就这样发生了。
Then a couple of months ago, I was at work when my sister told me that my father came up as a suggestion on Facebook as one of her people you may know.
几个月前，我正在上班，姐姐告诉我，我父亲在 Facebook 上被推荐为她的人之一，你可能认识。
I asked her to send me the link.
我让她把链接发给我。
I went into my office and pulled up his page.
我走进办公室，打开他的页面。
It was so weird seeing him.
见到他真是太奇怪了。
So much time had passed.
已经过去了很多时间。
He had stopped being a person to me.
他对我来说已经不再是一个人了。
He had just become an idea, a story I would tell.
他刚刚成为一个想法，一个我要讲的故事。
But there he was on my computer screen, standing on a mountain with his arm around Joedin, his second Filipino bride-- smiling, older, heavier.
但他就出现在我的电脑屏幕上，站在山上，手臂搂着乔丁，他的第二个菲律宾新娘——微笑着，年纪更大了，体重也更重了。
He was real.
他是真实的。
And I thought that man-- he's my father.
我以为那个人——他是我的父亲。
Jackie Clarke.
杰基·克拉克。
She's a comedian who currently writes for the ABC sitcom, Happy Endings.
她是一位喜剧演员，目前为 ABC 情景喜剧《Happy Endings》撰写剧本。
Her Twitter handle is JackieClarke.
她的推特账号是 JackieClarke。
It may not come as a surprise that some facts in this story are in dispute.
这个故事中的一些事实存在争议，这可能并不奇怪。
Pura declined to comment about whether she took some documents and maybe a gun from her husband and-or stabbed a couch.
普拉拒绝评论她是否从丈夫那里拿走了一些文件，也许还有一把枪，或者刺伤了沙发。
Jackie's dad, who we reached by email, suggested that Jackie is an embellisher and quote, "a rather vulgar comedian." Her dad wrote that he did not have offshore bank accounts, though court documents indicate that, in fact, he did.
我们通过电子邮件联系到了杰基的父亲，他表示杰基只是一个装饰者，并引用了他的话说，“一个相当粗俗的喜剧演员”。她的父亲写道，他没有离岸银行账户，尽管法庭文件表明，事实上他有。
Jackie's dad said he did have a checking account under the name Peishit Asflopluprong, but quote, "under agreement and request by a Thai Chinese associate," end quote.
杰基的父亲说，他确实有一个名为 Peishit Asflopluprong 的支票账户，但引述是“根据一名泰国华人同事的同意和要求”。
He wrote that he did not apply for credit cards in the family parrot's name, though he did confirm that it's name is Rayna.
他写道，他没有以家里的鹦鹉的名字申请信用卡，尽管他确实确认它的名字是雷纳。
Rayna is still alive.
雷娜还活着。
Asked if he is now or has ever been on Facebook, he replied, quote, "I do not engage in social advertising sites," end quote.
当被问及他现在或曾经使用过 Facebook 时，他回答说，“我不从事社交广告网站”，引用结束。
Jackie's sister and brother told us that they have the same memories of her father doing these things that Jackie does.
杰基的姐姐和兄弟告诉我们，他们对她父亲做的这些事情和杰基有同样的记忆。
Our program was produced today by Ben Calhoun, with Alex Blumberg, Sarah Koenig, Jonathan Manjivar, Lisa Pollak, Brian Reed, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
我们今天的节目由本·卡尔霍恩 (Ben Calhoun) 与亚历克斯·布隆伯格 (Alex Blumberg)、莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig)、乔纳森·曼吉瓦尔 (Jonathan Manjivar)、丽莎·波拉克 (Lisa Pollak)、布莱恩·里德 (Brian Reed)、罗宾·塞米恩 (Robyn Semien)、艾丽莎·希普 (Alissa Shipp) 和南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike) 共同制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Seth Lind is our operations director.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的运营总监。
Emily Condon is our office manager, production help from Matt Kilty.
Emily Condon 是我们的办公室经理，Matt Kilty 负责生产工作。
Music help from Damien Grey, from Rob Gettis.
达米安·格雷 (Damien Grey) 和罗布·盖蒂斯 (Rob Gettis) 提供音乐帮助。
Special thanks today to Michelle Harris.
今天特别感谢米歇尔·哈里斯。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的项目进行 WBEZ 管理监督。
You know he has contracted his new memoir to writers in the Philippines.
你知道他已经将他的新回忆录承包给了菲律宾的作家。
But he insists they are not actually writing the memoir for him.
但他坚称他们实际上并不是在为他写回忆录。
No, no, no. His name will be on the cover.
不，不，不。他的名字将出现在封面上。
If there's a paragraph about a person, the paragraph is technically written by someone in the Philippines, but not written.
如果有一个关于某人的段落，从技术上讲，该段落是由菲律宾人写的，但不是写的。
It's like they have to type it.
就像他们必须打字一样。
They have to type out who the person is, right?
他们必须输入这个人是谁，对吗？
So they have to know how to write.
所以他们必须知道如何写作。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。