458: Play the Part - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass Bill Langworthy makes reality TV shows.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 比尔·兰沃西制作真人秀节目。
He was one of the producers of The Hills .
他是《山丘》的制片人之一。
And he says that he's always been surprised, even after doing this for years, at how people end up doing things on television they would never do in real life, throwing themselves into the part so completely they even confuse themselves.
他说，他总是感到惊讶，即使在这样做了很多年之后，人们最终会在电视上做一些他们在现实生活中永远不会做的事情，完全投入到这个角色中，甚至让自己感到困惑。
I mean, we literally shot scenes before a husband and wife, and midway through the scene, the wife turns to me and says, "Hold on a second, is this for the show, or are we really fighting right now?" And I couldn't answer her.
我的意思是，我们确实在一对夫妇面前拍摄了一些场景，在场景进行到一半时，妻子转向我说：“等一下，这是为了表演，还是我们现在真的在吵架？”而我无法回答她。
So Bill never totally got why so many people would let themselves do so many embarrassing things on camera that they would never do normally.
所以比尔一直不明白为什么这么多人会让自己在镜头前做很多他们平时不会做的尴尬事情。
And I would always say, gosh, if I were on one of these shows, if I was in this situation, I would just handle myself so differently.
我总是会说，天哪，如果我参加其中一个节目，如果我处于这种情况，我会以不同的方式处理自己。
And after years of being in jobs like this and thinking all that, he went to a Dodgers game.
在从事这样的工作多年并思考了这些之后，他去看了一场道奇队的比赛。
And I was there with my ex-girlfriend's best friend.
我和我前女友最好的朋友在一起。
And all you need to know-- it's my ex-girlfriend's best friend.
你只需要知道——这是我前女友最好的朋友。
This is a girl that I cannot kiss under any circumstances.
这是一个我在任何情况下都无法亲吻的女孩。
There are just so many rules against that.
有很多规则反对这一点。
And this guy comes around whose job it is to find people to go on the Kiss Cam, which is when they put the camera on you.
这个人出现了，他的工作就是找人去接吻摄像机，也就是当他们把摄像机放在你身上的时候。
Oh, and it shows up on, like, the jumbotron for the stadium to see.
哦，它会出现在体育场的大屏幕上供观众观看。
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
And so we were also there with two of our friends who were married.
我们也和两个已婚的朋友一起去了那里。
And so they signed up, that, yeah, we're going to come back later in the game with a camera on you guys.
所以他们就报名了，是的，我们将在比赛晚些时候带着摄像机回来。
So you guys will kiss and everyone will see it on the jumbotron.
所以你们会接吻，每个人都会在大屏幕上看到它。
And they'll cheer.
他们会欢呼。
Bill Langworthy Yeah, and sort of realized now that that guy and I have exactly the same profession, which is we try and find strangers to do embarrassing things on camera.
Bill Langworthy 是的，现在我意识到那个人和我有完全相同的职业，那就是我们试图找到陌生人在镜头前做一些尴尬的事情。
But at the time, none of that's registering with me.
但当时我并没有注意到这些。
And so several innings later and several beer runs later, we've managed to switch seats.
几局之后，又喝了几杯啤酒，我们终于换了座位。
And of course, that's how they do it, is by what seat you're in.
当然，他们就是这么做的，取决于你坐在什么座位上。
You know, 50,000 people, you don't just say, it's the tall guy with brown hair.
你知道，五万人，你不只是说，是那个棕色头发的高个子。
So the Kiss Cam comes around, and instead of being pointed at the married couple, it's pointing at me and my ex-girlfriend's best friend.
于是接吻摄像头出现了，它不再指向已婚夫妇，而是指向我和我前女友最好的朋友。
Exactly.
确切地。
And so I have a producer who's looking at me.
所以我有一位制片人在看着我。
I expect something of you.
我对你有所期待。
The stadium is literally screaming at us.
体育场确实在向我们尖叫。
Five seconds earlier, I would have promised you, under no circumstances would I ever kiss this woman.
五秒钟之前，我就向你保证，在任何情况下我都不会亲吻这个女人。
And I leaned over and kissed her on the lips.
我俯身吻了吻她的嘴唇。
He knew he didn't have to kiss her.
他知道他没有必要吻她。
There'd be no penalty.
不会有任何处罚。
There was no contract.
没有合同。
No money had changed hands.
没有钱易手。
That didn't even cross my mind.
我什至没有想到这一点。
Not doing it was not an option.
不这样做不是一个选择。
You couldn't have paid me $1 million to do it, but I was on camera, I had to do it.
你不可能付给我 100 万美元来做这件事，但我在镜头前，我必须这么做。
Yeah, but that makes no sense.
是的，但这没有意义。
You of all people know that you don't have to do it.
你们所有人都知道您不必这样做。
I certainly would have told you that right ahead of time.
我当然会提前告诉你这一点。
But yeah, I just got this feeling that I was letting everybody down, I was letting the producer down, that I was letting the audience down.
但是，是的，我只是有一种感觉，我让每个人都失望了，我让制片人失望了，我让观众失望了。
50,000 people were looking at the jumbotron.
50,000 人观看了大屏幕。
They wanted one thing and one thing only.
他们想要一件事，而且只想要一件事。
I realize I guess I'm just not that much different than the people that I put on TV.
我意识到我想我和电视上演的人并没有太大不同。
Well, today on our radio program, people who are driven to act very differently than who they really are, flipping their personalities, completely doing the exact opposite of what they normally do.
好吧，今天在我们的广播节目中，人们被迫采取与真实身份截然不同的行为，翻转他们的个性，完全做与他们平时所做的完全相反的事情。
You only go that far if there are very powerful reasons to do it.
只有当有非常充分的理由时，你才会这么做。
In Act One, it is somebody doing this for money.
在第一幕中，有人这样做是为了钱。
In Act Two, it's somebody doing it for love.
在第二幕中，有人为了爱而这样做。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life , distributed by Public Radio International.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, The Audacity of Louis Ortiz.
第一幕，路易斯·奥尔蒂斯的大胆。
Usually when you play a part, the expectations are pretty clear.
通常当你扮演一个角色时，期望是非常明确的。
There are lines.
有线条。
There's a script.
有一个脚本。
There's a storyline you follow.
有一个故事情节供您遵循。
So when you're on the Kiss Cam, you kiss.
所以当你使用 Kiss Cam 时，你就接吻了。
When you're Hamlet, you stress out.
当你是哈姆雷特时，你会感到压力很大。
You know what you're on stage to do.
你知道你在舞台上要做什么。
Our first story today is about a man who found himself in a part with huge expectations and no script whatsoever.
我们今天的第一个故事是关于一个男人，他发现自己处于一个充满期望却没有任何剧本的角色。
He had to make it up as he went along.
他必须一边走一边弥补。
It comes to us from filmmaker, Ryan Murdock.
它来自电影制片人瑞恩·默多克（Ryan Murdock）。
A warning to listeners that this is a story that's partly about race, and a racial slur gets used.
向听众发出警告，这是一个部分与种族有关的故事，并且使用了种族诽谤。
2008 was a hard year for Louis Ortiz.
2008 年对于路易斯·奥尔蒂斯来说是艰难的一年。
He was living in the Bronx, but he lost his job as a phone technician for Verizon over a year earlier.
他住在布朗克斯，但一年多前失去了 Verizon 电话技术员的工作。
So he was collecting workers' comp and playing in pool tournaments for extra spending money.
因此，他通过领取工人补偿金并参加台球锦标赛来赚取额外的零用钱。
But then things started to change.
但后来事情开始发生变化。
I think it was, like, August '08, people were like, oh, dude, you made the front page.
我想那是 2008 年 8 月，人们就像，哦，伙计，你上了头版。
I'm like, what?
我想，什么？
I don't know what the hell people are talking about.
我不知道人们到底在谈论什么。
So I look at the page, Daily News I believe it was, and there's this dude with big ears, just smiling.
所以我看了一下页面，我相信是《每日新闻》，上面有一个大耳朵的家伙，只是微笑着。
He's running against Hillary, or whatever.
他正在与希拉里竞选，或者其他什么。
And I'm like, all right, I don't really get it.
我想，好吧，我真的不明白。
I think it's the big ear thing.
我觉得是大耳朵的问题
Three weeks went by of those jokes.
这些笑话已经过去三个星期了。
Louis is a Puerto Rican guy in his late 30s.
路易斯是一位三十多岁的波多黎各人。
He describes himself as an occasional voter.
他称自己是偶尔的选民。
And he hadn't really been following the election.
而且他并没有真正关注选举。
Then, at some point, Louis went to his usual bar, The Williamsbridge Tavern, to shoot some pool.
然后，在某个时候，路易斯去了他常去的酒吧威廉姆斯布里奇酒馆打台球。
Pat Tebelis was tending bar that day.
那天帕特·泰贝利斯正在酒吧打理。
Louis sat down and asked for a Corona.
路易斯坐下来要了一杯科罗娜。
I just mentioned it to him.
我刚刚跟他提到过。
I said, did anybody ever tell you you look like this guy that's running for the president?
我说，有没有人告诉过你，你看起来像这个竞选总统的人？
And I said, "Yeah.
我说：“是的。
Who, this dude, Obama?" And he goes, "Yeah.
谁，这个家伙，奥巴马？”他说：“是的。
You really look like him."
你真的很像他。”
And he says, "Yeah.
他说：“是的。
yeah, yeah." He sort of blew it off.
是啊，是啊。”他有点把它吹掉了。
I'm like, "I don't see it, dude."
我说：“我没看到，伙计。”
And I said, "No, no, really.
我说：“不，不，真的。
You really do." And he says, "Nah, I don't know." I said, "I'm telling you.
你确实如此。”他说：“不，我不知道。”我说：“我告诉你。
You go home and you shave off that goatee and mustache."
你回家后就把山羊胡和小胡子剃掉。”
I'm like, uh-uh.
我就像，呃呃。
I ain't taking this off.
我不会把这个脱下来。
Ever since he's been in the Army, Louis had had facial hair.
自从参军以来，路易斯就一直留着面部毛发。
For more than a decade, it had been the same-- full mustache, full goatee.
十多年来，一切都是一样的——留着小胡子，留着山羊胡。
He never would have dreamt of taking it off.
他做梦也没想到会把它脱下来。
But then Pat brought up something no one else had.
但随后帕特提出了一些其他人没有提出过的观点。
I told him, I said, "You could make money.
我告诉他，我说：“你可以赚钱。
If this guy does become the president, it's a tremendous opportunity for you to make money, if you want to go in that direction.
如果这个人真的成为总统，如果你想朝这个方向发展，这对你来说是一个巨大的赚钱机会。
You know, first black man to be the president of the United States." I said, "This is powerful."
你知道，第一个成为美国总统的黑人。”我说：“这很强大。”
And I'm thinking, hey, cha-ching.
我在想，嘿，cha-ching。
I need money right now.
我现在需要钱。
I'm unemployed for a whole year, so I start listening to the dude, listening to the dude.
我失业了一整年，所以我开始听那个家伙的话，听那个家伙的声音。
I said, "Look, I'll tell you what.
我说：“听着，我来告诉你什么。
You go home.
你回家吧。
If you're willing to shave your mustache and your goatee, put on a white shirt, put on a tie, look in the mirror.
如果你愿意剃掉胡子和山羊胡，就穿上白衬衫，打上领带，照照镜子。
If you don't think you look like this guy," I said, "then just grow your mustache and your goatee back.
如果你觉得自己不像这个人，”我说，“那就把你的小胡子和山羊胡留回来吧。
Take the shot, go see."
拍吧，去看看。”
So Louis walked a few blocks back to his one-bedroom apartment, found the clippers, found the razor, and got busy.
于是路易斯走了几个街区回到他的一居室公寓，找到了剪刀，找到了剃须刀，然后开始忙碌起来。
Once I took it all off, I looked at myself, put the aftershave on, looked at myself in the mirror, and I was like, holy [BLEEP].
一旦我把它全部脱掉，我看着自己，涂上须后水，看着镜子里的自己，我就像，神圣的[BLEEP]。
It was just, wow, wow, wow.
只是，哇，哇，哇。
I can't believe this.
我简直不敢相信这一点。
I can't believe this.
我简直不敢相信这一点。
Holy [BLEEP].
天哪[哔]。
What the [BLEEP], everything.
什么[BLEEP]，一切。
All the holy whatevers, everything was there, everything, all at once.
所有神圣的东西，一切都在那里，一切，都在同一时间。
And it was a good feeling, because being broke, unemployed for a whole year-- hypothetically, I saw dollar signs all in the mirror, all around my face, all around everywhere.
这是一种很好的感觉，因为我破产了，失业了一整年——假设我在镜子里看到了美元符号，在我的脸上，到处都是。
I put on a suit.
我穿上了一套西装。
I didn't even have a suit.
我什至连一套西装都没有。
I put a suit top.
我在上面套了一件西装。
I had a jacket, some bull [BLEEP] shirt, a rinky-dink tie.
我有一件夹克，一件公牛[BLEEP]衬衫，一条破旧的领带。
And I went right back out with the shorts that I had left the bar with.
然后我就穿着离开酒吧时穿的短裤出去了。
So I leave the house with a suit top and shorts and sandals on the bottom, walk back into the bar, and say, "Hey, guys, what do you think?" And everybody's jaw dropped, like, everybody screaming, like, yo, dude, are you serious?
所以我穿着西装上衣、短裤和凉鞋离开家，走回酒吧，说：“嘿，伙计们，你们觉得怎么样？”每个人都惊掉了下巴，每个人都尖叫着，哟，老兄，你是认真的吗？
You look just like this dude.
你看起来就像这个家伙。
I said to Louis, I said, "I'm going to tell you something right now." I said, "There's like, maybe three people in the country that look like him, and he's one of them, in this whole country." You really, really got to look at it long and hard to figure out who is who.
我对路易斯说，“我现在要告诉你一些事情。”我说：“这个国家可能有三个人看起来像他，而他就是整个国家中的其中之一。”你真的、真的必须长时间地看它，很难弄清楚谁是谁。
It's just striking.
这真是太引人注目了。
If you just, like, gave it a quick glance, dead ringer, like twin brother.
如果你只是快速地看一眼，听起来就像双胞胎兄弟一样。
Twin brother is actually a good way of explaining just how much Louis Ortiz really does look like Barack Obama.
双胞胎兄弟实际上是一个很好的方式来解释路易斯·奥尔蒂斯到底有多像巴拉克·奥巴马。
I've been filming Louis for months, working on a movie about him.
我已经拍摄路易斯几个月了，正在制作一部关于他的电影。
And I've looked at his face for hours on end.
我连续几个小时盯着他的脸。
I've studied the details.
我研究过细节。
From certain angles, the resemblance is hard to believe.
从某些角度来看，这种相似之处令人难以置信。
His right side, slightly from above at 45 degrees, perfect.
他的右侧，从上方稍微倾斜 45 度，完美。
His left side, slightly from below, is just as good.
他的左侧，稍微从下方看，也同样好。
From those directions, you'd have to take your time to tell him and Obama apart.
从这些方向来看，你必须花时间来区分他和奥巴马。
Also from behind, you know, the ears.
还有从后面看，你知道，耳朵。
There's even details that seem impossible.
甚至还有一些看似不可能的细节。
The hairlines are the same.
发际线是一样的。
Louis, just like Obama, has a mole next to his nose.
路易斯和奥巴马一样，鼻子旁边也有一颗痣。
On Louis, it's just on the opposite side.
在路易斯，它就在对面。
If he smiles, Louis gets that crinkly-eyed thing that Obama gets.
如果路易斯微笑，他就会像奥巴马一样皱起眼睛。
And when he gets serious, he does that chin-up, squinty thing too.
当他变得严肃起来时，他也会做那种抬起头、斜视的动作。
But it's not perfect.
但它并不完美。
The resemblance is at the level of maybe a double take.
相似之处可能达到了双重的程度。
I've seen people wonder aloud, "Is that him?" And reach for their cameras before they realize it's not.
我看到人们大声问：“是他吗？”在他们意识到事实并非如此之前，就伸手去拿相机。
Up close, in person, one second, he's Obama.
近距离观察，一秒钟，他就是奥巴马。
The next, he's obviously Louis.
下一个，显然是路易斯。
Then he's Obama.
那么他就是奥巴马。
Then he's Louis.
那么他就是路易斯。
It's weird.
很奇怪。
But back to 2008, back to the Bronx, back to the bar, back to Pat.
但回到 2008 年，回到布朗克斯，回到酒吧，回到帕特。
And he said, "I'm telling you, Lou, you got something here?" And I'm like, "Yeah, I could see, but what do I got and how do I-- you know, I'm not an actor.
他说：“我告诉你，卢，你这里有东西吗？”我想，“是的，我可以看到，但是我得到了什么，我该怎么做——你知道，我不是演员。
How do I do this?
我该怎么做？
Whose door am I knocking on?"
我敲谁的门？”
And he just told me, first things first, you need head shots.
他只是告诉我，首先，你需要爆头。
So I was like, "What's a head shot?"
所以我就想，“什么是爆头？”
Pat Tebelis, the bartender, had what he described to Louis as a little experience in the business, meaning show business.
调酒师帕特·泰贝利斯（Pat Tebelis）向路易斯描述说，他在这个行业（即演艺界）有一点经验。
He'd been an extra, done some modeling, a commercial or two.
他当过临时演员，做过一些模特，拍过一两个广告。
Pat immediately set about mapping a plan for Louis, a plan that, to Louis, sounded far-fetched.
帕特立即开始为路易斯制定计划，这个计划对路易斯来说听起来很牵强。
Keep in mind, this was a rough time in Louis's life.
请记住，这是路易斯一生中的一段艰难时期。
Again, he'd been fired from a job he'd had for more than a decade.
他再次被解雇了他干了十多年的工作。
He was in the middle of a lawsuit, trying to get his job back.
他正在打一场官司，试图夺回工作。
His daughter had just returned home after a nasty custody battle with the parents of his late wife, Louis's late wife, who died of diabetes several years before.
他的女儿在与已故妻子（路易斯已故妻子）的父母发生激烈的监护权争夺后刚刚回家，后者几年前死于糖尿病。
So there he is, sitting across the bar from this guy he barely knows, who's basically telling him he'd hit the jackpot, that his life could be totally different if he just put in a little money up front.
就这样，他就坐在酒吧对面，旁边坐着一个他几乎不认识的人，这个人基本上是在告诉他，他中了大奖，如果他预先投入一点钱，他的生活可能会完全不同。
He was telling me numbers, like $200 for head shots, $200 for a suit.
他告诉我一些数字，比如头像 200 美元，一套西装 200 美元。
And you've got to go here and there.
你必须到处走走。
And I have my regular, normal, everyday life problems, and I was very reluctant to take the few bucks that I had to go and throw a Hail Mary up.
我有正常的、正常的、日常生活的问题，我非常不愿意拿那几块钱去投掷万福玛丽。
At least I thought it was a Hail Mary.
至少我认为这是万福玛丽亚。
Louis had his doubts, but he scraped together money for a photo shoot and borrowed money to buy a suit, a new one, and one with pants.
路易斯心存疑虑，但他凑了钱拍照片，还借钱买了一套西装，一套新的，还有一套裤子。
He got a list of agents, enlisted some friends.
他得到了一份特工名单，并招募了一些朋友。
And from the back of the bar, they stuffed envelope after envelope with resumes and head shots.
他们从酒吧后面塞满简历和头像的信封。
At home, Louis was experimenting with what he started calling the look, practicing in the mirror, then more trips to the bar.
在家里，路易斯正在尝试他所谓的造型，对着镜子练习，然后更多地去酒吧。
It wasn't until sometime in late September that he decided to take it public in a big way, to take it for a real test run.
直到九月底的某个时候，他才决定将其大规模公开，进行真正的试运行。
Yeah, I had gotten an invite to a Yankee game.
是的，我收到了洋基队比赛的邀请。
And they were like, "We got an extra bleacher seat." I'm like, "All right, great."
他们说，“我们有一个额外的看台座位。”我想，“好吧，太好了。”
This was a historic day for the Bronx.
对于布朗克斯来说，这是历史性的一天。
It was the last game to be played in the old Yankee stadium, and the park was sold out, filled to capacity.
这是旧洋基体育场举行的最后一场比赛，公园门票全部售空，座无虚席。
I went into the stadium and went into the bleachers with the suit on.
我穿着西装走进体育场，走进看台。
I told the guys I was with-- a bunch of retired cops, couple of telephone guys-- I'm like, "Yo, dude, this is a real crazy look.
我告诉和我在一起的人——一群退休警察，几个电话人员——我想，“哟，伙计，这真是一个疯狂的样子。
You guys are really going to protect me, right?"
你们真的会保护我的，对吗？”
And they're like, "Oh, we got you, we got you." I'm like, "OK." Once we get up there, we're all fun and games.
他们就像，“哦，我们抓住了你，我们抓住了你。”我说：“好吧。”一旦我们到达那里，我们就都很开心和游戏。
They start playing around, like, "Hey, watch it, we got Obama coming through.
他们开始玩弄游戏，比如，“嘿，看吧，我们让奥巴马通过了。
We got Obama coming through."
我们让奥巴马通过了。”
And then, once people from further away started noticing the commotion that was happening, more people started looking.
然后，一旦远处的人们开始注意到正在发生的骚乱，更多的人开始寻找。
The more people that start looking, the more people that start looking.
开始寻找的人越多，开始寻找的人就越多。
So everybody's looking, from close to far to-- you know, before you know it-- [SNAPS FINGERS] jumbotron.
所以每个人都从近到远地看着——你知道，在你意识到之前——[打响指]大屏幕。
Everyone said, "Hey, you're on the jumbotron."
每个人都说：“嘿，你在大屏幕上。”
And I'm like, "Are you serious?" So I'm like, "Let me go with it." I started waving at people, and people started going nuts.
我说：“你是认真的吗？”所以我想，“让我来吧。”我开始向人们挥手，人们开始发疯。
And this is September, a month and a half, or whatever, before election time.
现在是九月，距离选举时间还有一个半月，或者什么时间。
Obama had a lot of hype.
奥巴马有很多炒作。
And it was just exciting.
这真是令人兴奋。
Is the game actually happening at this point.
比赛实际上正在发生吗？
Is there baseball happening?
有棒球比赛吗？
Baseball is happening, but a lot of fans are lining up to come take pictures with me.
棒球比赛正在进行中，但很多球迷都排着队来和我合影。
People were lining up.
人们正在排队。
Can I get a picture?
我可以拍张照片吗？
People were bringing me their babies to kiss their babies and take pictures with their babies.
人们把他们的孩子带到我这里来亲吻他们的孩子并与他们的孩子合影。
I mean, it was just crazy.
我的意思是，这太疯狂了。
It was like, oh my god.
就像，天哪。
You feel like a star.
你感觉自己像个明星。
In some weird way, you feel like the president.
以某种奇怪的方式，你感觉自己像总统。
I'm like, damn, how must he feel if I'm feeling like this?
我想，该死，如果我有这样的感觉，他会怎么想？
And I'm not even the real dude.
我什至不是真正的家伙。
Imagine how he feels whenever he goes and people are just going crazy over him.
想象一下，每当他离开时，人们都会为他疯狂，他的感受如何。
On Election Night, Louis, who three months earlier hadn't even heard of Obama, was in the Bronx watching the votes come in like a man with a lottery ticket, watching the winning numbers on TV.
选举之夜，三个月前还没有听说过奥巴马的路易斯在布朗克斯看着选票的到来，就像一个拿着彩票的人，在电视上观看中奖号码。
At some point, the race hadn't been called, but he put on his suit and headed out of the Bronx.
在某个时候，比赛还没有结束，但他穿上了西装，走出了布朗克斯。
We start driving towards Manhattan to hook up with some friends, me and this kid, Benny.
我们开始开车前往曼哈顿与一些朋友，我和这个孩子本尼会合。
And we're like, yo, I want to be downtown when this whole thing goes down.
我们就像，哟，当这一切都结束时，我想去市中心。
My mother's like, "[UNINTELLIGIBLE] please be safe, please be safe."
我妈妈就像是，“[难以理解]请注意安全，请注意安全。”
So I start heading down, and all of a sudden, I pull up at a gas station, and I hear gunshots.
于是我开始往下走，突然，我在一个加油站停下来，然后听到枪声。
Bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.
布拉，布拉，布拉，布拉，布拉，布拉。
And I'm like, oh my god, let's get back in the car.
我想，天哪，我们回到车里吧。
And then I hear people screaming.
然后我听到人们尖叫。
Ah!
啊!
And I'm like, nobody got shot.
我想，没有人被枪杀。
People are celebrating.
人们正在庆祝。
So I turn on the radio, and I just hear people screaming, gunshots, people screaming out the window everywhere.
所以我打开收音机，我只听到人们尖叫，枪声，窗外到处都是人们的尖叫声。
I was in the South Bronx, mind you.
请注意，我当时在南布朗克斯。
So that's when I knew he won.
所以那时我就知道他赢了。
And I'm like, I'm in.
我想，我加入了。
I am so in.
我就这么进来了
I didn't know where I was going to end up.
我不知道我最终会去哪里。
I didn't know if I was going to make a ton of money or a little bit of money, but everybody's celebrating Obama.
我不知道我是否会赚很多钱还是赚一点钱，但每个人都在庆祝奥巴马。
It's like, everybody's celebrating Obama.
就像每个人都在庆祝奥巴马一样。
So everywhere I walked in with a suit, it was my party.
所以无论我穿着西装走进哪里，那都是我的派对。
It was my party everywhere I went.
我所到之处都是我的聚会。
And it's a pretty crazy feeling.
这是一种非常疯狂的感觉。
This could really just turn somebody's life upside down.
这真的可能会彻底颠覆某人的生活。
It turned my life right side up.
它使我的生活发生了翻天覆地的变化。
My life was already upside down.
我的生活已经天翻地覆了。
[CHEERS] Ryan Murdock This is sound from Washington Square Park, Louis's last stop on Election Night.
[干杯] Ryan Murdock 这是来自华盛顿广场公园的声音，华盛顿广场公园是路易斯在选举之夜的最后一站。
He got there around 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, and the crowd was still celebrating.
他在凌晨 2:00 或 3:00 左右到达那里，人群仍在庆祝。
Ever since his big day at the Yankees game, Louis had adopted a sort of homespun guerrilla marketing strategy.
自从在洋基队比赛中度过的重要日子以来，路易斯就采取了一种朴素的游击营销策略。
Mostly, it consisted of, put on a suit, find a place with a lot of people, and just show up.
大多数情况下，它包括，穿上西装，找到一个人很多的地方，然后出现。
These appearances were for free.
这些露面都是免费的。
Louis got nothing, but he was hoping eventually they'd turn into money.
路易斯什么也没得到，但他希望它们最终能变成金钱。
In just a few minutes of tape from Election Night, one after another, people stop Louis.
在选举之夜的短短几分钟的录音中，人们陆续阻止了路易斯。
They giggle and point.
他们咯咯笑着指指点点。
They use words like "awesome" and "amazing." And they're left with this weird contact high, like they almost met Obama.
他们使用诸如“真棒”和“令人惊奇”之类的词。他们留下了这种奇怪的接触高度，就像他们几乎见到了奥巴马一样。
And they want a picture so they can fool their friends.
他们想要一张照片，这样他们就可以愚弄他们的朋友。
One astonished lady asked him, "What's your name, Obama?" At one point, the crowd mobbed Louis and actually picked him up, carrying him through the air, chanting, Barack Obama, Barack Obama.
一位惊讶的女士问他：“奥巴马，你叫什么名字？”有一次，人群围攻了路易斯，实际上把他抱了起来，把他抬到空中，高呼“巴拉克·奥巴马，巴拉克·奥巴马”。
[CHEERS] Barack Obama was now President Obama, and Louis started getting serious.
[干杯] 巴拉克·奥巴马 (Barack Obama) 现在是奥巴马总统，路易斯开始变得严肃起来。
He signed on with an agent, then two.
他与一名经纪人签约，然后是两名经纪人。
And to get gigs, one of his agents asked Louis to make a pitch tape, something to send out to people who might hire him.
为了获得演出机会，他的一位经纪人要求路易斯制作一盘音调磁带，并发送给可能雇用他的人。
My name is Louis Ortiz.
我叫路易斯·奥尔蒂斯。
I am a 38-year-old Puerto Rican American who landed the look of a lifetime.
我是一名 38 岁的波多黎各裔美国人，拥有一生难忘的容貌。
For the tape, Louis wrote the script himself, and filmed it in a stairwell.
对于这盘磁带，路易斯亲自编写了剧本，并在楼梯间拍摄。
It's cheap and lo-fi.
它既便宜又低保真。
Louis has his suit on, and he's trying hard, but it's awkward.
路易斯穿上了西装，他很努力，但这很尴尬。
He's not sure what he's supposed to be doing.
他不确定自己应该做什么。
At one moment, he turns from side to side in the empty stairwell, waving at imaginary crowds.
有一刻，他在空荡荡的楼梯间里左右转过身，向想象中的人群挥手致意。
And then he makes his best attempt at an Obama impression.
然后他尽最大努力给奥巴马留下印象。
Thank you.
谢谢。
At this defining moment, change has come to America.
在这个决定性的时刻，美国已经发生了变化。
With that said, change has also come to my life in a monumental way.
话虽如此，我的生活也发生了巨大的变化。
And this brings us to Louis's biggest problem.
这给我们带来了路易斯最大的问题。
He can't seem to manage a convincing Obama oppression for more than a "thank you" or two.
他似乎无法通过一两句“谢谢”来应对奥巴马的令人信服的压迫。
Louis looks more like Obama than any impersonator I've ever seen, but there's a key difference between a look-alike and an impersonator.
路易斯看起来比我见过的任何模仿者都更像奥巴马，但长得像的人和模仿者之间有一个关键的区别。
And that difference is huge in terms of money, the potential money Louis could make doing this.
从金钱角度来看，这种差异是巨大的，路易斯这样做可以赚到潜在的钱。
I mean, maybe you've seen Reggie Brown or Fred Armisen, guys who do President Obama on late-night TV a lot.
我的意思是，也许你见过雷吉·布朗或弗雷德·阿米森，他们经常在深夜电视上扮演奥巴马总统。
They look way less like Obama than Louis, but the impression carries it.
他们看上去不像奥巴马，而更像路易斯，但给人的印象却很像。
But Louis's agent sent out his pitch tape anyway.
但路易斯的经纪人还是发出了他的音调磁带。
And pretty soon, he got a call.
很快，他就接到了电话。
He landed an audition for HBO for Flight of the Conchords .
他参加了 HBO 的《协奏曲飞行》的试镜。
Yeah, Flight of the Conchords.
是的，《协奏曲的飞行》。
I'm like, what the hell is that?
我想，那到底是什么？
I never of Flight of the Conchords.
我从来没有看过协奏曲的飞行。
Flight of the Conchords was a hipster comedy about a band from New Zealand, not really something Louis would watch.
《协奏曲的飞行》是一部关于新西兰乐队的时髦喜剧，路易斯不太会看。
But soon, he was in his suit, waiting for the producers to call him in.
但很快，他就穿上了西装，等待制片人叫他进来。
I'm sitting there at the audition place.
我坐在试镜的地方。
They were like, "Oh, yeah, just wait right here." I'm sitting there, and I see this other dude walk in in a suit.
他们就像，“哦，是的，就在这里等一下。”我坐在那里，看到另一个穿着西装的家伙走了进来。
He was a light-skinned black dude.
他是一个浅肤色的黑人。
And matter of fact, when that dude walked in, I'm like, please don't let some other dude walk in here looking more like Obama than I do.
事实上，当那个家伙走进来时，我想，请不要让其他家伙走进这里，看起来比我更像奥巴马。
I looked at him, he looked at me, and he walked right out.
我看了他一眼，他也看了我一眼，然后就走了出去。
He walked right out.
他径直走了出去。
Please put your hands together, the 44th president of the United States.
美国第44任总统，请双手合十。
The Flight of the Conchords role was actually perfect for Louis, because they weren't looking for someone to play Obama.
协和飞机的飞行这个角色实际上非常适合路易斯，因为他们并不是在寻找扮演奥巴马的人。
They were looking for someone to play an Obama impersonator.
他们正在寻找一个扮演奥巴马模仿者的人。
In the show-- season two, episode seven, if you're curious-- Louis doesn't appear until the final scene.
在第二季第七集的节目中，如果你好奇的话，路易斯直到最后一幕才出现。
Here, the joke is that the prime minister of New Zealand thinks he's meeting Obama, but everyone else knows it's not really the president.
在这里，有一个笑话是，新西兰总理认为他正在会见奥巴马，但其他人都知道这并不是真正的总统。
It's Louis, who in a way is sort of playing himself.
路易斯在某种程度上是在扮演自己。
Oh yeah, I met him back at the agency.
哦，是的，我在经纪公司遇见了他。
I also do Usher and sometimes Will Smith.
我也演亚瑟小子，有时也演威尔·史密斯。
The agency?
机构？
What's he talking about, mate?
他在说什么，伙计？
Uh, CIA.
呃，中央情报局。
Louis Ortiz I mean, your first job to be HBO?
Louis Ortiz 我是说，你的第一份工作是 HBO？
At that point, I said, wow.
那时，我说，哇。
I mean, I felt accomplished right there.
我的意思是，我在那里感到很有成就感。
I felt like I did something, like I really finally did something.
我感觉我做了某事，就像我真的终于做了某事一样。
I want to put my daughter to college, and I want to pay all the bills at home, want to get my girl out of debt.
我想让我的女儿上大学，我想支付家里的所有账单，想让我的女儿摆脱债务。
I want to buy a house for my mom, all that.
我想给我妈妈买房子，等等。
Yeah, you think about all that.
是的，你考虑所有这些。
You think about all of it, and living life, not just surviving, like I have been so many years.
你会思考这一切，思考生活，而不仅仅是生存，就像我多年来一样。
So it felt within reach.
所以感觉触手可及。
Louis Ortiz I thought that this could lead to something really big or something, but not the way it actually did.
路易斯·奥尔蒂斯（Louis Ortiz） 我认为这可能会导致一些非常大的事情，但事实并非如此。
Day by day, Louis started picking up more work doing Obama.
日复一日，路易斯开始承担更多为奥巴马做事的工作。
Gradually, it started to feel less like a string of uncertain events, and more like one thing was leading to another.
渐渐地，它开始不再像是一连串不确定的事件，而更像是一件事正在导致另一件事。
Louis even started calling himself the Puerto-ack Barack.
路易斯甚至开始称自己为波多黎各巴拉克。
Before he knew it, he was booking high-profile jobs overseas.
不知不觉中，他已经在海外预订了备受瞩目的工作。
There was a big-budget movie in Japan, a comedy where Louis, as Obama, negotiates a fictional peace treaty.
日本有一部大制作的喜剧电影，路易斯扮演奥巴马，谈判一项虚构的和平条约。
[SPEAKING JAPANESE] Ryan Murdock There was Australia, where Louis was cast as the lead singer of a band, a super-group of Nobel Peace Prize impersonators called the Nobel Funk Off-- Louis as Obama, and various other impersonators as band mates, including Go-Go Gandhi, Nelson the Mandela, Martin Luther the King.
[日语] 瑞恩·默多克 (Ryan Murdock) 在澳大利亚，路易斯被选为一支乐队的主唱，这是一支由诺贝尔和平奖模仿者组成的超级团体，被称为“Nobel Funk Off”——路易斯扮演奥巴马，还有其他各种模仿者作为乐队成员，包括 Go-Go Gandhi、纳尔逊·曼德拉、马丁·路德国王。
This group performed, at one point, for the real actual Dalai Lama.
这个团体曾一度为真正的达赖喇嘛表演。
You heard that correctly-- Louis met the Dalai Lama.
你没听错——路易斯遇见了达赖喇嘛。
But Louis's first taste of international work was in Korea, where a company flew him all the way to Seoul to shoot a commercial for a cable service called SkyLife.
但路易斯第一次接触国际工作是在韩国，一家公司派他专程飞往首尔，为一家名为 SkyLife 的有线电视服务拍摄广告。
[SPEAKING KOREAN] Louis Ortiz Do you know HD has [INAUDIBLE]?
[韩语] Louis Ortiz 你知道 HD 有 [听不清] 吗？
The commercial was set to look just like the Inauguration-- podium, teleprompters, Louis in a dark winter coat, and a bunch of non-Asians who'd been rounded up to sit in rows behind him.
广告的设置看起来就像就职典礼一样——讲台、提词器、穿着深色冬衣的路易斯，以及一群被围起来坐在他身后的非亚洲人。
[SPEAKING KOREAN] Ryan Murdock And that was how, in a 19-hour plane ride, Louis went from being someone with a bunch of problems he needed help with, to being someone who had people catering to his every need.
[说韩语] Ryan Murdock 就这样，在 19 小时的飞机旅程中，Louis 从一个有很多问题需要帮助的人，变成了一个有人满足他所有需求的人。
For example, Louis has MS. Most of the time it doesn't bother him, but he gets tired easy.
例如，路易斯患有多发性硬化症。大多数时候，这并不困扰他，但他很容易感到疲倦。
In Korea, with the jet lag, the busy schedule, he was drained and exhausted and didn't know what to do about it.
在韩国，由于时差和繁忙的行程，他疲惫不堪，不知道该怎么办。
I actually found out that it was on them, that it was OK for me to go get one of those massages from the hotel, the yatsu-- what do you call them?-- massages that the start smacking up your back.
我实际上发现这是在他们身上，我可以去酒店做一种按摩，yatsu——你怎么称呼它们？——按摩会开始拍打你的背部。
Taka, taka, taka, taka, taka.
塔卡，塔卡，塔卡，塔卡，塔卡。
What is that?
那是什么？
Shiatsu?
指压？
Louis Ortiz Shiatsu, there you go, one of them massages.
Louis Ortiz Shiatsu，给你，其中一项按摩。
Man, once I found that out, I was down there.
伙计，一旦我发现了这一点，我就在那里了。
I hit it at least twice.
我至少击中了两次。
But I tell you what, I was so in peace out there.
但我告诉你，我在外面很平静。
Things were so clean out there.
那里的东西是如此干净。
People were so humble.
人们是如此谦虚。
Hospitality was incredible.
热情好客令人难以置信。
To be treated the way I was treated out there, to not see arguments in the street, to not see garbage and stuff like that, coming from the Bronx where I'm from, it just sucked coming back.
受到和我在外面受到的对待一样的待遇，看不到街上的争吵，看不到垃圾之类的东西，来自我来自的布朗克斯，回来的感觉很糟糕。
Coming back was like, am I really going back to the US?
回来的时候就想，我真的要回美国吗？
After Korea, I wanted to move to South Korea.
离开韩国后，我想搬到韩国。
After Japan, I wanted to be in Japan for the rest of my life.
离开日本后，我想在日本度过余生。
After Australia-- that's the latest one-- I want to move to Australia.
在澳大利亚之后——这是最新的——我想搬到澳大利亚。
It's like I feel like that every time I leave the States.
我每次离开美国都有这种感觉。
The big jobs did come with big paychecks.
大工作确实伴随着高薪水。
The Japanese maybe paid the most, $10,000.
日本人可能支付的金额最多，为 10,000 美元。
By the time all of this was in full swing, Louis was making enough to pay off some bills and debts, and do little things like take his girlfriend out to dinner.
当这一切都进行得如火如荼时，路易斯的收入足以偿还一些账单和债务，并做一些小事，比如带他的女朋友出去吃饭。
But the money also went quick.
但钱也来得快。
Louis started investing in his new career.
路易斯开始投资他的新职业。
He enrolled in acting class, bought another suit, and got his teeth whitened.
他报名参加了表演课程，又买了一套衣服，还美白了牙齿。
He even started flirting with the idea of having surgery to close a small gap between his two front teeth, one of the little giveaways that sometimes ruins the Obama look.
他甚至开始考虑做手术来缩小两颗门牙之间的小缝隙，这是有时会破坏奥巴马形象的小瑕疵之一。
But even the big ticket jobs weren't really enough to get Louis out of the financial hole he was in, and they tended to be few and far between.
但即使是高额工作也不足以让路易斯摆脱他所陷入的财务困境，而且这些工作往往很少而且间隔很远。
Early on, Pat Tebelis, the bartender, had advised Louis, in order to launch this whole new career, this Obama business, that Louis should take any job.
早些时候，调酒师帕特·泰贝利斯（Pat Tebelis）曾建议路易斯，为了开启这个全新的职业生涯，也就是奥巴马的生意，路易斯应该接受任何工作。
There was no telling what could lead to his big break.
没有人知道什么会导致他的重大突破。
And it was advice Louis took to heart.
路易斯牢记了这个建议。
Most of the jobs were the small ones-- emceeing awards ceremonies, political picnics, union rallies, cameos on television.
大多数工作都是小工作——主持颁奖典礼、政治野餐、工会集会、电视客串。
But there were also things that were even stranger, further off the expected path.
但也有一些事情更加奇怪，偏离了预期的道路。
I said, OK, rappers pay me some money.
我说，好吧，说唱歌手付我一些钱。
I'm going to be in the video.
我将出现在视频中。
I'm going to play the president.
我要扮演总统。
Here's the full premise of the music video Louis was hired to be in.
这是路易斯受聘出演的音乐录影带的完整前提。
President Obama's helicopter gets shot down, and he's captured and tortured by Arab terrorists.
奥巴马总统的直升机被击落，他被阿拉伯恐怖分子抓获并遭受酷刑。
Then the rappers, Waka Flocka Flame and French Montana, show up in full camo, guns blazing, and rescue him.
然后说唱歌手 Waka Flocka Flame 和 French Montana 身着全套迷彩服，枪口齐鸣，出现并营救了他。
[MUSIC - "CHOPPA CHOPPA DOWN" BY FRENCH MONTANA FT.
[音乐 - 《CHOPPA CHOPPA DOWN》，法国蒙大拿《金融时报》。
WAKA FLOCKA FLAME]
WAKA FLOCKA 火焰]
Because Louis looks so much like the president, the footage from this shoot is very weird to watch.
因为路易斯看起来太像总统了，所以这次拍摄的镜头看起来很奇怪。
Take after take, Louis is tied up in a chair.
一次又一次的拍摄中，路易斯被绑在椅子上。
There's fake blood all over his shirt.
他的衬衫上全是假血。
One guy in Arab clothing is pressing a knife to his throat.
一名身穿阿拉伯服装的男子将一把刀抵在他的喉咙上。
Another guy is holding a taser and a blowtorch a few inches from his arm.
另一个人在距离他手臂几英寸的地方拿着泰瑟枪和喷灯。
The whole time this is going on, the director is yelling at Louis.
整个过程中，导演一直在对路易斯大喊大叫。
But he's not calling him Louis.
但他不叫他路易斯。
He's calling him Barack.
他叫他巴拉克。
And rolling camera.
还有滚动相机。
Ryan Murdock Just look at me, Barack.
瑞恩·默多克 看看我，巴拉克。
Get mad, Barack.
生气吧，巴拉克。
And struggle, struggle, guys, struggle, struggle, struggle.
奋斗，奋斗，伙计们，奋斗，奋斗，奋斗。
Look towards me, Barack.
看着我，巴拉克。
[SCREAMING] Man Damn, he looked like Barack, right there.
[尖叫]该死的，他看起来就像巴拉克，就在那里。
Let me get that--
让我明白一下——
Is there a type of job that you would turn down because you just wouldn't want to lend the president's image to something?
有没有一种工作是你会拒绝的，因为你只是不想把总统的形象借给某些东西？
That's my producer, Ben Calhoun, asking that question.
这是我的制片人本·卡尔霍恩问这个问题的。
A job that I would turn down?
一份我会拒绝的工作？
Ryan Murdock Louis stumbled around for over a minute, a minute and 22 seconds, actually--
瑞恩·默多克·路易斯跌跌撞撞地走了一分多钟，一分零二十二秒，实际上——
I would definitely turn down a few jobs.
我肯定会拒绝一些工作。
--before finally telling us the one job that crossed the line for him.
——最后告诉我们一项对他来说越界的工作。
I've had offers to do pornos, like Barack Oboner , Nailin' Palin.
我曾收到过拍摄色情片的邀请，比如 Barack Oboner 和 Nailin' Palin。
I can't see myself doing all that craziness.
我无法想象自己会做出那些疯狂的事情。
The jobs Louis felt most conflicted about, though, are not the strange things he was asked to do on camera.
然而，路易斯感到最矛盾的工作并不是他被要求在镜头前做的奇怪的事情。
It's the live appearances.
这是现场表演。
And he did a lot of them.
他做了很多这样的事。
Actually, a lot of the small jobs were ones in which Louis was paid just a little money to show up in person in a suit for a couple hours, kind of like having a living cardboard cut-out of the president to take pictures with.
事实上，在很多小工作中，路易斯只得到一点钱，就可以穿着西装亲自出现几个小时，有点像用一张活生生的总统纸板剪纸来拍照。
These were some of the fireman.
这些是一些消防员。
These were two of the friendly ones.
这是两个友好的人。
Yeah.
是的。
A couple of guys were nice, but it was just so many that weren't.
有几个人很好，但也有很多人不是。
Louis showed me pictures from one of these jobs.
路易斯向我展示了其中一项工作的照片。
The number of a bar named Rathbones had hired him to show up and take some pictures on Saint Patrick's Day.
一家名为 Rathbones 的酒吧邀请他在圣帕特里克节那天出现并拍一些照片。
The bar was a big hangout for New York firefighters, and there were lots of them there that day.
这家酒吧是纽约消防员经常去的地方，那天有很多消防员。
Louis says he figured they'd done a parade, because many were wearing FDNY shirts.
路易斯说，他认为他们进行了游行，因为许多人都穿着纽约消防局的衬衫。
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Firefighter 1 There he is.
[插话] 消防员 1 他在那里。
Move out of the way.
错。
Ryan Murdock There's video of all this.
瑞恩·默多克（Ryan Murdock）有这一切的视频。
According to Louis, the crowd was a few beers into their day, and they were pretty much hostile from the start.
据路易斯说，人群一天中喝了几杯啤酒，从一开始他们就充满敌意。
In the video, as Louis walks in, you can hear guys say something about black Irish.
在视频中，当路易斯走进来时，你可以听到人们谈论一些关于爱尔兰黑人的事情。
Louis looks uncomfortable, nervous.
路易斯看起来很不舒服，很紧张。
He stands with his back against the wall and attempts a presidential wave and smile.
他背靠墙站着，试图做出总统般的挥手和微笑。
Somebody yells, beat it.
有人喊，打吧。
And then the crowd starts to boo.
然后人群开始嘘声。
[CROWD BOOING] Here, the video suddenly cuts out.
[人群嘘声]说到这里，视频突然中断了。
Louis says what followed was an hour of people throwing things at him, shoving him, and shouting.
路易斯说，接下来的一个小时里，人们向他扔东西、推搡他，并大喊大叫。
You're the worst [BLEEP] president.
你是最糟糕的[BLEEP]总统。
You [BLEEP] suck.
你[哔]真糟糕。
[BLEEP] nigger.
[BLEEP] 黑鬼。
Wow.
哇。
Louis Ortiz Yeah, all kinds of horrible things.
路易斯·奥尔蒂斯 是的，各种可怕的事情。
It was bad.
很糟糕。
At one point, Louis was behind the bar serving beers, where things seemed a little safer, with some distance between him and the crowd.
有一次，路易斯在吧台后面供应啤酒，那里似乎更安全一些，他和人群之间有一段距离。
I had somebody-- they got on the bar, and they saw me when I started approaching the bar.
我有人——他们上了酒吧，当我开始走近酒吧时，他们看到了我。
And he tried to actually grab my head, like, trying to do some motion like that.
他试图真正抓住我的头，就像试图做一些类似的动作。
By motion like that, Louis means that the guy tried to shove Louis's face into his crotch.
通过这样的动作，路易斯的意思是那家伙试图将路易斯的脸塞进他的胯部。
And I just backed up.
我刚刚备份了。
And I held myself so much from just knocking that dude out.
我非常克制自己，不敢把那个家伙打晕。
I didn't want to let the Bronx come out of me and just punch somebody in the face, because I'm doing this thing, like I'm the president.
我不想让布朗克斯从我身上消失，只是打别人的脸，因为我正在做这件事，就像我是总统一样。
So I have to compose myself.
所以我必须让自己镇定下来。
Nobody's going scream the N-word to Obama.
没有人会向奥巴马尖叫“N”字。
Nobody's going to have the balls to do that, but they will have the balls-- oh, look at that dude.
没有人有胆量这么做，但他们有胆量——哦，看看那个家伙。
He looks like Obama.
他看起来像奥巴马。
He looks like that N-word.
他看起来就像那个N字。
Like, wait a second.
就像，等一下。
I've gotta hear this [BLEEP] for him.
我必须为他听到这个[BLEEP]。
I've lived in New York City all my life.
我一生都住在纽约市。
I know how crazy people in New York are.
我知道纽约人有多疯狂。
I've never had to experience the racism like I face it now.
我从来没有经历过像现在这样的种族歧视。
It oozes out of people skins now when they see my face.
现在，当人们看到我的脸时，它就会从皮肤中渗出。
At first, Louis had friends from the phone company dress up like Secret Service, with earpieces and sunglasses, just for dramatic effect.
起初，路易斯让电话公司的朋友打扮得像特勤局，戴着耳机和太阳镜，只是为了达到戏剧性的效果。
But after a few bad episodes, Louis got genuinely scared for his safety.
但经历了几次糟糕的事件后，路易斯真的为自己的安全感到害怕。
Before going out, he would tell his friends to stick close and be ready to actually protect him.
出去之前，他会告诉他的朋友们要紧握并准备好真正保护他。
Who's the most belligerent person you've encountered with the whole Obama thing?
在整个奥巴马事件中，你遇到过的最好战的人是谁？
The most.
最多。
Weren't too many words said, but I remember somebody looking at me, walking out drunk out of a bar.
虽然没有说太多话，但我记得有人看着我，当时我醉醺醺地走出酒吧。
And I'm walking in, and he looks at me and he goes, "Oh, man, you're so lucky I'm drunk." And he just started pointing, like if he had a gun in his hand.
我走进去，他看着我，说道：“哦，伙计，你真幸运，我喝醉了。”他就开始指指点点，就好像他手里拿着枪一样。
He's pointing at me like, "You suck."
他指着我说：“你真糟糕。”
I didn't get called the N-word.
我没有被称为N字。
I didn't get cursed out.
我没有被诅咒。
But just the fact that he was drunk, pointing his hand at me like if he had a gun, that was just unnerving.
但事实上，他喝醉了，用手指着我，就像他拿着枪一样，这真是令人不安。
That really bothered me.
这真的让我很困扰。
But even with the hecklers, even when these jobs went badly, even when the jobs were hard to come by, the look was an escape for Louis, this weird superpower that he could use any time he wanted.
但即使有质问者，即使这些工作进展得很糟糕，即使工作很难找到，这种表情对路易斯来说仍然是一种逃避，这种奇怪的超能力他可以随时使用。
I've watched Louis in front of a crowd of third graders, in a school near his apartment in the Bronx, where they asked him to give a speech.
我在布朗克斯区他公寓附近的一所学校里，看到路易斯在一群三年级学生面前，他们要求他发表演讲。
Louis was nervous, but when the kids saw him, they saw the leader of the free world, this historic figure.
路易斯很紧张，但当孩子们看到他时，他们看到了自由世界的领袖，这个历史人物。
One girl couldn't stop crying.
一名女孩忍不住哭了。
He originally began impersonating Obama for money, to make a few bucks, and it turned out to be so much more than that.
他最初开始冒充奥巴马是为了钱，为了赚几块钱，结果发现远不止于此。
How do I explain this?
我该如何解释这一点？
When I first discovered this look, if I was home, down and out, and I felt down about anything, I'd throw on the suit, shave up, look at myself in the mirror, and I'd go somewhere, hit downtown Manhattan.
当我第一次发现这种造型时，如果我在家，穷困潦倒，对任何事情感到沮丧，我就会穿上西装，刮胡子，照镜子，然后我会去某个地方，去曼哈顿市中心。
And now my attitude went from down here to up here.
现在我的态度从下面变成了上面。
And now it's up because people look at you.
现在它上升了，因为人们看着你。
When they see me in the suit, they look at you and they're like, "Oh, wow, dude, do you know who you look like?" And I feel like a million bucks, like I have no problems in the world.
当他们看到我穿着西装时，他们会看着你，然后说：“哦，哇，伙计，你知道你长得像谁吗？”我感觉自己就像一百万美元，就像我在世界上没有任何问题一样。
I never want that moment to end.
我永远不想那一刻结束。
And when it's all over and I have to go home and take off the suit, that's when it's like, ugh, back to my problems.
当一切都结束了，我必须回家脱下防护服时，就好像，呃，又回到了我的问题上。
Unfortunately for Louis, his problems got worse.
不幸的是，路易斯的问题变得更糟了。
Louis' new career was tethered to Obama's, and as the president's first term wore on and his approval rating slid, the look-alike jobs slowly disappeared.
路易斯的新职业生涯与奥巴马的职业生涯息息相关，随着总统第一个任期的推移和他的支持率下滑，那些看起来相似的工作慢慢消失了。
Eventually, Louis decided to put the Obama stuff on ice, go down to Florida and be with his daughter.
最终，路易斯决定把奥巴马的事情搁置起来，去佛罗里达和他的女儿在一起。
The plan was, he'd go there and wait for his job situation with the phone company, with Verizon, to sort itself out.
计划是，他会去那里，等待他在威瑞森电话公司的工作情况自行解决。
He said he was looking forward to being Louis the phone guy again.
他说他期待再次成为接电话的路易斯。
I went to see him.
我去看他了。
My first day there, we went fishing in the fenced-in man-made pond outside his parents' apartment complex.
我在那里的第一天，我们去他父母公寓大楼外用栅栏围起来的人造池塘里钓鱼。
And he explained to me his deal with Verizon.
他向我解释了他与 Verizon 的交易。
Louis had been fired in late 2007.
路易斯于 2007 年底被解雇。
According to him, a string of events led to a heated argument with his boss.
据他说，一系列事件导致他与老板发生了激烈的争吵。
Louis stormed out, closed the door pretty hard, kind of slammed it, and the window broke.
路易斯怒气冲冲地走了出去，用力关上门，砰地一声关上，窗户就碎了。
Louis was fired.
路易斯被解雇了。
He filed a wrongful termination lawsuit.
他提起了不当解雇诉讼。
And in late 2010, his case went to arbitration.
2010年底，他的案件进入仲裁。
If it went his way, he'd get thousands and thousands in back pay.
如果事情如他所愿，他将得到成千上万的欠薪。
My lawyer broke it down.
我的律师打破了它。
It's pretty much a hands-down case.
这几乎是一个轻而易举的案例。
Broke as a joke.
作为一个笑话而崩溃。
I mean, I get Obama gigs here and there, but you know my deal.
我的意思是，我到处都有奥巴马的演出，但你知道我的交易。
I'm waiting on these boys to pay me my retro-pay from Verizon.
我正在等待这些男孩向我支付 Verizon 的补发费用。
His lawyer called in late November.
11 月底，他的律师打来电话。
When Louis picked up, she didn't sound excited.
当路易斯接起电话时，她听起来并不兴奋。
Louis asked, "Should I be sitting down?" And she said, "Yeah." At that point he knew the arbitrator had sided with Verizon.
路易斯问道：“我应该坐下吗？”她说：“是的。”那时他就知道仲裁员站在了 Verizon 一边。
Louis was now empty-handed, no job back, no retro-pay, not much of anything.
路易斯现在两手空空，没有工作，没有补发工资，什么都没有。
My dad has been down here for, like, four months already, probably more, never mind.
我爸爸已经在这里呆了大概四个月了，可能更久，没关系。
Like, five, six.
比如，五、六。
I don't know, but he's really cool.
我不知道，但他真的很酷。
This is Louis's daughter, Reina.
这是路易斯的女儿雷娜。
She's 15, a great basketball player, a serious student, funny, and just a really nice kid.
她今年 15 岁，是一名出色的篮球运动员、认真的学生、有趣的人，而且是一个非常好的孩子。
Back when the Obama stuff heated up, and Louis was traveling a lot, he sent Reina here to live with his parents.
当奥巴马的事情升温时，路易斯经常出差，他把雷纳送到这里和他的父母住在一起。
They hadn't seen much of each other since.
从那以后他们就很少见面了。
But now the two of them could be a family again.
但现在他们两个又可以成为一家人了。
Every day at 5:30 in the morning, Louis would drive Reina to school.
每天早上5点30分，路易斯都会开车送雷纳去学校。
And at night, they'd hang out after she got home from basketball practice.
晚上，她篮球训练回家后，他们会一起出去玩。
Yeah, it's kind of better.
是的，这样好多了。
He's a fun person to be around.
他是一个很有趣的人。
That's why I like when he's down here.
这就是为什么我喜欢他在这里。
Louis spent his days in Florida, while Reina was at school, figuring out a plan to piece his life back together.
路易斯在佛罗里达度过了他的日子，而雷纳则在学校，制定了一个计划来重新整合他的生活。
He'd gone to a phone company in Florida, but they said they weren't hiring.
他去了佛罗里达州的一家电话公司，但他们说他们不招聘。
At some point, he got in touch with his agent, who told him how successful other Obama impersonators had been, that there was still money to be made.
在某个时候，他联系了他的经纪人，后者告诉他其他奥巴马模仿者有多成功，还有钱可赚。
With campaign season approaching, demand would probably be high.
随着季节的临近，需求可能会很高。
But his agent said he'd need what he lacking the first time around, a better impression.
但他的经纪人表示，他需要第一次所缺乏的东西，即更好的印象。
Specifically she said, work on the voice.
她具体说，要在声音上下功夫。
So Louis started watching Obama speeches on YouTube, listening to them on his iPod over and over, practicing the cadence, the timing, and the delivery.
于是，路易斯开始在 YouTube 上观看奥巴马的演讲，在他的 iPod 上一遍又一遍地听，练习节奏、时机和演讲方式。
Every single American, gay-- Louis Ortiz Gay--
每一个美国人，同性恋——路易斯·奥尔蒂斯·盖伊——
--lesbian, bisexual, transgender, every single American--
——女同性恋、双性恋、跨性别者，每一个美国人——
Every single American deserves to be treated equally in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of our society.
每个美国人都应该在法律和社会的眼中受到平等对待。
It's a pretty simple proposition.
这是一个非常简单的提议。
Now, I don't have to tell you that, uh, we have a ways to go in that struggle.
现在，我不必告诉你，呃，我们在这场斗争中还有很长的路要走。
As you can hear, Louis really is getting better.
正如你所听到的，路易斯确实在好转。
And once again, the Obama stuff is starting to feel like Louis's best and only option.
奥巴马的事情再一次开始感觉像是路易斯最好也是唯一的选择。
But Louis thinks New York is a better place to take another shot, to start getting Obama work again.
但路易斯认为纽约是一个更好的地方，可以再次尝试，开始让奥巴马再次工作。
And that means leaving Reina.
这意味着离开雷纳。
He told me the news, like, two days ago, or three days ago.
他告诉我这个消息，大概是两天前，或者三天前。
And it kind of sucks, because I'm going to miss him.
这有点糟糕，因为我会想念他的。
Did you tell him that?
你告诉他了吗？
Rayna No. I would never get that emotional with him.
Rayna 不，我永远不会对他产生如此情绪。
I don't know.
我不知道。
But I do feel [INAUDIBLE] for him.
但我确实对他有[听不清]的感觉。
I wish he could just stay, but he says he has his work to do or whatever over there, so I guess not.
我希望他能留下来，但他说他在那里有工作要做，所以我想不会。
I guess he can't stay, but whatever.
我猜他不能留下来，但无论如何。
I haven't seen him in, like, four years, and then he comes, and then he just leaves again.
我大概有四年没见过他了，然后他来了，然后又离开了。
But whatever.
但无论如何。
It doesn't bother me.
我不介意。
You believe in that future.
你相信那个未来。
That's why you're working hard.
这就是你努力工作的原因。
That's why you're putting in long hours.
这就是为什么你要投入很长时间。
You know that doing big things isn't easy, but you haven't given up.
你知道做大事并不容易，但你没有放弃。
That's the spirit we've got to have right now.
这就是我们现在必须具备的精神。
The way it's turned out, right now both the president and Louis are both looking for second chances, both looking back at the last three years, thinking about what they've accomplished and what they still need to do.
事实证明，现在总统和路易斯都在寻找第二次机会，都在回顾过去三年，思考他们已经取得的成就以及他们还需要做什么。
Recently, Louis was laying out to me his big plans for 2012.
最近，路易斯向我阐述了他 2012 年的宏伟计划。
Whatever reservations Louis has about leaving Rayna again, that's exactly what he's doing.
无论路易斯对再次离开雷娜有什么保留，这正是他正在做的事情。
He's doubling down on the whole Obama thing.
他在奥巴马的事情上加倍努力。
And he's back in New York.
他回到了纽约。
He said he's hopeful.
他说他充满希望。
He's feeling good.
他感觉很好。
At some point, I ask Louis, if he could somehow choose, choose between being a great, successful Obama impersonator, or going back to being Louis the phone guy, if he could choose, which one would he pick?
在某个时刻，我问路易斯，他是否可以选择，在成为一名伟大、成功的奥巴马模仿者和回到电话接线员路易斯之间进行选择，如果他可以选择，他会选择哪一个？
He hesitated, seemed to give it some real thought, and he told me, if he could be anyone, if it was totally up to him, he'd go back to his old life, working for Verizon, and be the phone guy, and be himself.
他犹豫了一下，似乎认真考虑了一下，然后他告诉我，如果他可以成为任何人，如果完全由他决定，他会回到以前的生活，为威瑞森工作，做电话员，做他自己。
Ryan Murdock.
瑞恩·默多克。
He is still filming for his movie about Louis.
他仍在拍摄有关路易斯的电影。
It is called The Audacity of Louis Ortiz.
它被称为路易斯·奥尔蒂斯的大胆。
He's looking for more funders on Kickstarter.
他正在 Kickstarter 上寻找更多资助者。
His website, where you can see just how much Louis looks like Obama, audacitythemovie.com.
在他的网站 audacitythemovie.com 上，您可以看到路易斯有多像奥巴马。
Coming up, feigning interest in what your spouse is saying, and how that can save your marriage.
接下来，假装对你的配偶所说的话感兴趣，以及这如何能挽救你的婚姻。
That is in a minute, from Chicago Public radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, and bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，并为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Play the Part, people faking who they are, pretending they are the opposite of their real personalities because they feel they have no other option.
今天的节目《扮演角色》中，人们假装自己，假装自己与真实性格相反，因为他们觉得自己别无选择。
We have arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经进入了计划的第二幕。
Act Two, Wife Lessons.
第二幕，妻子的教训。
Kristen was a speech therapist at a school where she worked with some kids who had autism.
克里斯汀是一所学校的言语治疗师，她在那里与一些患有自闭症的孩子一起工作。
Some had Asperger Syndrome.
有些人患有阿斯伯格综合症。
It was kind of one of those things.
这就是其中之一。
We joked about it, the staff that I worked with, where we kept saying, oh, my husband, or my significant other has Asperger's too.
我们开玩笑说，和我一起工作的员工，我们一直说，哦，我的丈夫或我的另一半也患有阿斯伯格症。
It kind of became this running joke, because there is so many similarities between the neurotypical man, and then you take it a few steps forward and you have Asperger's.
这有点成为一个流行的笑话，因为神经典型的人之间有很多相似之处，然后你向前迈出几步，你就会患上阿斯伯格症。
Not to trivialize how serious Asperger's can be, but the symptoms include emotional distance, inflexibility, missing social cues.
不要小看阿斯伯格症的严重性，但其症状包括情绪疏远、缺乏灵活性、缺乏社交线索。
A couples counselor once told me that every woman who hears about Asperger's for the first time thinks her husband has it.
一位夫妻咨询师曾经告诉我，每个第一次听说阿斯伯格症的女性都认为她的丈夫患有这种病。
So anyway, they had this joke at work about their husbands all having Asperger's.
不管怎样，他们在工作中开玩笑说他们的丈夫都患有阿斯伯格症。
And then one day it occurred to Kristen-- wait a second, maybe in her case it was not a joke.
然后有一天，克里斯汀突然想到——等一下，也许对她来说这不是一个笑话。
After all, at the time things were going pretty badly with her husband, Dave.
毕竟，当时她和丈夫戴夫的关系非常糟糕。
They'd been best friends in high school, started dating in college.
他们在高中时是最好的朋友，在大学开始约会。
But once they were married and had two kids, they were in conflict a lot.
但当他们结婚并生了两个孩子后，他们的矛盾就很多了。
Any little change in plans would set Dave off, like they would plan to leave a party at 9 o'clock, and Kristen wasn't ready to go until 9:15, and it didn't seem like a big deal to her.
计划中的任何微小变化都会让戴夫兴奋不已，就像他们计划在 9 点离开聚会一样，而克里斯汀直到 9 点 15 分才准备好离开，这对她来说似乎没什么大不了的。
Dave would throw what he would call a man-tantrum, and stew about it, obsess about it, not speak to her for days, or a week.
戴夫会发脾气，他称之为“男人发脾气”，然后为此苦苦思索，沉迷其中，几天甚至一周不跟她说话。
And in these incidents, she was frustrated with him, he felt misunderstood by her.
在这些事件中，她对他感到沮丧，他觉得被她误解了。
It devastated them both, and it confused them.
这让他们两人都崩溃了，也让他们感到困惑。
It stumped them.
这让他们难住了。
It really stumped them for years, five years.
这确实困扰了他们很多年，五年。
And then one day she found this quiz online, this online quiz to help the parents of one of her students.
然后有一天，她在网上发现了这个测验，这个在线测验是为了帮助她的一位学生的家长。
And this quiz was supposed to test different disorders like autism and Asperger's-- 150 questions.
这个测验旨在测试自闭症和阿斯伯格症等不同的疾病——共有 150 个问题。
Lots of them, like, do you find it necessary to sit in the same seat all the time?
很多人，比如，你觉得有必要一直坐在同一个座位上吗？
Or do you dislike changes in routine?
或者你不喜欢改变日常生活？
Lots of these questions reminded her of her husband.
很多这样的问题让她想起了她的丈夫。
He remembers what happened next this way.
接下来发生的事情他就这样记住了。
Things had been pretty chilly between them for a long time.
很长一段时间以来，他们之间的关系一直很冷淡。
It was around 8 o'clock at night.
当时是晚上八点左右。
The kids had been put to bed.
孩子们已经上床睡觉了。
It was so quiet.
真是太安静了。
Kristen had made dinner.
克里斯汀已经做好了晚餐。
And she came up to me, and for the first time in as long as I could remember, out of the blue she approached me and gave me this hug, a real, warm, just tender hug.
她向我走来，这是我有记忆以来的第一次，她出乎意料地走近我，给了我这个拥抱，一个真正的、温暖的、温柔的拥抱。
And I said, "Oh, hello there.
我说：“哦，你好。
How are you doing?" And she just looked up and she said, "When you're ready, why don't you come downstairs to my office.
你怎么样？”她只是抬起头说道：“当你准备好后，为什么不下楼到我的办公室来呢？
There's something I want to show you."
有样东西我想给你看。”
So he comes down to the basement, and Kristen starts administering this quiz to him.
于是他来到地下室，克里斯汀开始给他做这个测验。
I remember him saying, at the beginning of it, he's like, "What is this, like, a Cosmo quiz?" I'm like, "No, I'm not taking you down to the basement for a Cosmo quiz."
我记得他一开始就说，“这是什么，比如 Cosmo 测验？”我说，“不，我不会带你去地下室参加 Cosmo 测验。”
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
So did you tell him, this is going to be a quiz about whether or not you have Asperger's, or you just started asking questions?
那么你是否告诉他，这将是一个关于你是否患有阿斯伯格症的测验，或者你刚刚开始提问？
No. Ira Glass No, just started asking questions?
不。Ira Glass 不，刚刚开始提问？
No, I just started asking him questions.
不，我刚刚开始问他问题。
And as we were going, as the questions got to be so familiar to him, he's like, "What is this quiz?
当我们进行时，由于问题对他来说变得如此熟悉，他就像，“这个测验是什么？
Like, did you write these questions?
比如，这些问题是你写的吗？
Did you do this for me?"
你这是为了我吗？”
The ones that really resonated with me were things like, do you find you have most success in social situations when you can script out possible conversations ahead of time?
真正引起我共鸣的是，你是否发现当你可以提前编写可能的对话时，你在社交场合会取得最大的成功？
Even things like, do you sometimes feel tortured by the clothes you're wearing, itchy tags, shirt cuffs?
甚至像这样的事情，你是否有时会因为你穿的衣服、发痒的标签、衬衫袖口而感到折磨？
Do people often comment on your odd mannerisms and habits?
人们经常评论你奇怪的举止和习惯吗？
It was a yes, an emphatic yes to all of these things.
对所有这些事情都是肯定的、坚决的肯定。
And then the questions started getting even just bizarre, where I was like, this must be a typo.
然后问题开始变得奇怪，我想，这一定是一个打字错误。
I remember there was one question about, have you ever fantasized about making traps?
我记得有一个问题是，你曾经幻想过制作陷阱吗？
And I said, "Oh, that must be a typo." And he's like, "No, I totally have."
我说：“哦，这一定是一个错字。”他说：“不，我完全有。”
[LAUGHS] Kristen Finch Traps?
[笑]克里斯汀芬奇陷阱？
What are you talking about?
你在说什么？
So it was when we were starting to get into those specific things, I'm like, jeez, I am just missing this here.
所以当我们开始研究这些具体的事情时，我想，天哪，我只是想念这个。
This has been in front of me for so long, and I needed this 150-question quiz in order to finally see, oh, OK, that explains a lot.
这个问题已经摆在我面前这么久了，我需要这个 150 个问题的测验才能最终明白，哦，好吧，这解释了很多。
And so you get to the end, and then what do you say?
所以你到了最后，然后你说什么？
Like, how do you break the news?
比如，你如何发布新闻？
Well, at the very end, you just calculate.
好吧，最后，你只需计算一下。
And so, when the quiz got done, before I hit calculate, I told him what it was.
因此，当测验完成后，在我点击计算之前，我告诉他那是什么。
And he was like, "Oh, OK." So I'm like, "Are you ready to calculate?" So I hit the button, and it was a big, old yes.
他说：“哦，好吧。”所以我想，“你准备好计算了吗？”所以我按下了按钮，这是一个很大的、古老的“是”。
It was such a huge moment, a sublime moment.
这是一个如此伟大的时刻，一个崇高的时刻。
It's a weird way to say it, but I almost felt as though I was present at my own birth, if that's it, if that's a decent way of saying that.
这是一种奇怪的说法，但我几乎感觉好像我在自己出生时在场，如果是这样的话，如果这是一个体面的说法的话。
I mean, it was as if somebody finally handed me a user manual for myself.
我的意思是，就好像有人终于给了我一本自己的用户手册。
You know, here's how you operate, and if you read this manual, everything that was difficult in life before is going to be a lot easier now, because it makes sense and you can learn how to control certain things.
你知道，这就是你的操作方式，如果你读了这本手册，以前生活中的一切困难现在都会变得容易多了，因为它很有意义，你可以学习如何控制某些事情。
Kristen found it just as comforting.
克里斯汀觉得这同样令人欣慰。
All the things that seemed to be destroying their marriage, she could see now that they were not his fault.
所有似乎正在破坏他们婚姻的事情，她现在都明白了，这些都不是他的错。
And she hadn't realized just how hard things were for him in everyday situations.
她并没有意识到他在日常生活中的处境有多么困难。
So they went to a doctor and they got the diagnosis confirmed.
于是他们去看了医生，并得到了确诊。
David had Asperger's.
大卫患有阿斯伯格症。
Typically, people with Asperger's have trouble reading social cues, they have trouble interacting, they're usually obsessive in their routines or interests.
通常，患有阿斯伯格症的人很难理解社交线索，他们在互动上有困难，他们通常对自己的日常生活或兴趣很着迷。
And then, armed with this diagnosis, Dave set about fixing whatever it was possible to fix.
然后，有了这个诊断，戴夫开始解决一切可能解决的问题。
And he did this with the deep obsessiveness of a deeply obsessive person.
他是带着一种深深的痴迷来做到这一点的。
He understood, OK, there's clearly a gap between his instincts and the way that other people acted.
他明白，好吧，他的直觉和其他人的行为方式之间显然存在差距。
And he wanted to close that gap by imitating them.
他想通过模仿他们来缩小这一差距。
So he started keeping this list.
所以他开始保留这份清单。
Whenever he stumbled onto some kind of behavior that he wanted to change, any behavior that was causing friction between him and Kristen, he would write it down.
每当他偶然发现某种他想要改变的行为，任何导致他和克里斯汀之间产生摩擦的行为，他都会把它写下来。
For instance--
比如说——
It would really bother her when she would be singing along in the radio and she'd be in a good mood and happy and I would change the station mid-song.
当她在收音机里跟着唱歌时，她心情很好，很高兴，我会在歌曲中途改变电台，这真的会让她很烦恼。
And so she would say, "Are you kidding?
所以她会说：“你在开玩笑吗？
You can't do that."
你不能那样做。”
So I would write it down.
所以我会把它写下来。
I would say, OK, you know what, I really want to change things.
我会说，好吧，你知道吗，我真的想改变一些事情。
So lest I forget, I'm going to put it somewhere.
为了避免我忘记，我会把它放在某个地方。
So I'd write it down on a notepad-- don't change the radio station when she's singing along.
所以我会把它写在记事本上——当她跟着唱歌时不要改变广播电台。
Now, if that just seems unbelievably basic, you can see why he and Kristen had been fighting for five years, and why he needed a list.
现在，如果这看起来令人难以置信，那么您就可以明白为什么他和克里斯汀已经争吵了五年，以及为什么他需要一份清单。
He started to call all these little scraps of paper that he was doing this on, he started to call it, "The Journal of Best Practices." Other items on the list-- don't sneak up on her, better to fold the laundry and put it away than only take what you need from the dryer, give Kristen time to shower without crowding her.
他开始将他正在做的这些小纸片称为“最佳实践杂志”。清单上的其他物品——不要偷偷靠近她，最好把洗好的衣服叠起来放好，而不是只从烘干机里拿你需要的东西，给克里斯汀洗澡的时间，不要让她感到拥挤。
Well, some of them were actually quite profound, things like, learn how to listen.
嗯，其中一些实际上非常深刻，比如学会如何倾听。
I mean, that's a huge one.
我的意思是，这是一个巨大的。
Wait a minute.
等一下。
How do you operationalize that one?
您如何实施这一举措？
Well, learn how to listen-- for example, she would maybe have a complaint about something that happened in her day, you know, somebody at work was so annoying today, or it's taking me so long to get to work, man, with all this traffic.
好吧，学习如何倾听——例如，她可能会抱怨她当天发生的事情，你知道，今天工作中的某个人太烦人了，或者我花了很长时间才去上班，伙计，交通如此拥挤。
And what I would do is I would offer her a million solutions.
我要做的就是为她提供一百万个解决方案。
Let's sit down, let's map out this traffic route that you're taking.
我们坐下来，绘制出您要走的交通路线。
We can optimize travel time versus rush hour versus stoplights.
我们可以优化出行时间、高峰时间和红绿灯。
And she would just stare at me like, are you kidding me?
她只是盯着我看，就像你在开玩笑吗？
And just say, ultimately, "No I'm good." And just leave.
最后只是说：“不，我很好。”然后就离开吧。
And then I would feel hurt, like where are you going?
然后我会感到受伤，就像你要去哪里？
If you didn't want a solution, why did you bring this up?
如果您不想要解决方案，为什么要提出这个问题？
Well, what I didn't know, and what she didn't know, was I just needed to be told sometimes, "Dave, look, I have some things on my mind, I don't need a solution, all I want you to do is, when I'm done talking, just nod your head and say, that must be rough." [LAUGHS] I could literally practice doing that.
好吧，我和她不知道的是，有时我只需要被告知，“戴夫，听着，我脑子里有一些事情，我不需要解决方案，我想要你做的就是，当我说完后，点点头说，那一定很艰难。” [笑]我确实可以练习这样做。
Now, sometimes I got it wrong.
现在，有时我会弄错。
Like, she would come to me seeking a solution.
就像，她会来找我寻求解决方案。
"This house is absolutely a disaster.
“这所房子绝对是一场灾难。
I can't clean this up all by myself." And I would say, "Yeah, I totally hear you, that's gotta be so rough." And then I would just leave the room.
我一个人无法清理掉这一切。”我会说，“是的，我完全明白你的意思，那一定很粗糙。”然后我就离开房间。
[LAUGHTER] Ira Glass Kristen says that, all of his life, Dave had gotten by by imitating the way people around him behave.
[笑声]艾拉·格拉斯·克里斯汀 (Ira Glass Kristen) 说，戴夫一生都靠模仿周围人的行为方式过日子。
And he had a real talent for noticing little things that people did and then copying them, and now that really kicked in hard.
他有一种真正的天赋，能够注意到人们所做的小事，然后模仿它们，现在这真的发挥了作用。
So he was able to start learning how to, again, in quotes, "look normal, look neurotypical" by doing things like watching The Late Show With David Letterman , listening to Howard Stern.
因此，他能够开始学习如何通过观看大卫·莱特曼深夜秀、听霍华德·斯特恩的演讲等方式，“看起来正常，看起来神经质”。
Wait, wait.
等等，等等。
Your husband learned to talk to other human beings by listening to Howard Stern and watching David Letterman?
你丈夫是通过听霍华德·斯特恩和大卫·莱特曼的作品学会与其他人交谈的吗？
He learned how to have small-talk conversations, the flow of conversations, when they were kind of going to change, what their facial expression might look like, or their body language might look like when they're about to switch topics, or kind of how to just go with the flow during a conversation.
他学会了如何进行闲聊，谈话的流程，当他们要改变时，他们的面部表情可能是什么样子，或者当他们要转换话题时他们的肢体语言可能是什么样子，或者如何在谈话中顺其自然。
I love Howard.
我爱霍华德。
David Finch Right.
大卫·芬奇 对。
So you know, as a Howard listener, it's engaging.
所以你知道，作为霍华德的听众，这很有吸引力。
Well, what I started keying in on was the way that Howard would get through a story, parse a story.
嗯，我开始关注的是霍华德阅读故事、解析故事的方式。
He's talking about going out and getting pancakes with his parents last weekend, and he'll keep that up for 30, 45 minutes if he has to.
他正在谈论上周末和父母一起出去吃煎饼，如果有必要的话，他会坚持 30、45 分钟。
He's able to take interruptions from the other people in the studio, from Robin, from Gary, from callers.
他能够接受工作室其他人、罗宾、加里和来电者的打扰。
And when he wants to be sincere, he'll lower his voice, and he'll slow down, maybe much like what I'm doing right now, because that's kind of who I learned from, was Howard.
当他想要真诚时，他会降低声音，放慢速度，也许就像我现在所做的那样，因为这就是我向霍华德学习的人。
So I would take notes on how he did this, and then I would practice.
所以我会记下他是如何做到这一点的，然后我会练习。
Sometimes I got it right.
有时我做对了。
Sometimes I got it way wrong.
有时我弄错了。
So if I was--
所以如果我是——
Can you give me an example of a time that it went way wrong?
你能给我举一个出错的例子吗？
[LAUGHS] I can give you lots of examples of those.
[笑]我可以给你举很多例子。
I think trying to start some banter with one of the engineers in my lab, somebody that I never talk to about anything besides how our oscilloscopes work.
我想尝试与我实验室的一位工程师开一些玩笑，除了我们的示波器如何工作之外，我从未与他谈论任何事情。
So I would sit down and say things like, "So listen, whatcha doing over there?
所以我会坐下来说这样的话：“听着，那边在做什么？
You got anything going on sexually in your life, anything going on love life that--"
你在性生活中发生的任何事情，在爱情生活中发生的任何事情——”
Wait, you actually said this to somebody at work?
等等，你真的对工作中的某人说过这句话吗？
Just to see how they would react.
只是想看看他们会作何反应。
And sometimes people would just start laughing, and sometimes they would actually engage the conversation.
有时人们会开始大笑，有时他们会真正参与对话。
And then other times, they would just say, like, "Are you kidding me?"
其他时候，他们只会说，“你在开玩笑吗？”
So David's trying all these things to try to change his behavior.
所以大卫正在尝试所有这些方法来改变他的行为。
And overall, it works.
总的来说，它有效。
The first thing that he notices is that there is an absence of resentment between him and Kristen.
他注意到的第一件事是他和克里斯汀之间没有怨恨。
And things just get better and better.
事情变得越来越好。
And then his problem is, he's obsessive by nature-- like, that's his whole diagnosis, right?
然后他的问题是，他天生就有强迫症——就像，这就是他的全部诊断，对吧？
And he starts wanting regular performance reviews from Kristen.
他开始希望克里斯汀定期进行绩效评估。
He puts together these PowerPoint slides for these reviews.
他将这些 PowerPoint 幻灯片放在一起以进行这些评论。
And a year and a half into this, she has had enough of the "Journal of Best Practices." And she has to tell him, we have learned what we needed to learn from this.
一年半以来，她已经厌倦了《最佳实践杂志》。她必须告诉他，我们已经从中学到了我们需要学习的东西。
That's the point where we ordered out or something, and he ate all the crab rangoon.
就在那时我们点了外卖什么的，他吃了所有的仰光螃蟹。
And I just kind of was like, "Ugh, you ate all the crab rangoon." And all of a sudden now that's a best practice.
我只是想，“呃，你把仰光的螃蟹都吃了。”突然之间，这成为了最佳实践。
So that's kind of where I stopped it.
所以这就是我阻止它的地方。
And I said, you know what, we don't have to work on this for the next three weeks.
我说，你知道吗，我们在接下来的三周内不必处理这个问题。
Just don't eat all the crab rangoon.
只是不要吃掉所有的仰光螃蟹。
And so I had to explain to him, people who are married still-- it's OK if I sigh and roll my eyes when you eat all the crab rangoon, like, that's OK.
所以我必须向他解释，那些仍然结婚的人——当你吃掉所有的仰光螃蟹时，如果我叹气并翻白眼，就像，没关系。
Best practices is done.
最佳实践已完成。
We have the essentials.
我们有必需品。
The things that were really difficult for us, we got.
对于我们来说真正困难的事情，我们得到了。
Leave the crab rangoon out of it.
把螃蟹仰光放在外面。
It was.
是的。
That was one of the best practices that I gave him.
这是我给他的最佳实践之一。
I was like, here's your new best practice.
我当时想，这是你的新最佳实践。
Not everything is a best practice.
并非一切都是最佳实践。
And so I'm sure he went and ran and wrote it down in his journal, like, OK, not everything's a best practice.
所以我确信他跑过去把它写在日记里，就像，好吧，并不是所有的事情都是最佳实践。
David is still faking his way through things today.
大卫今天仍然在假装做事。
He listens to Kristen's problems at the end of the day, and he waits until it's time for him to say, that sounds hard, and then he says, that sounds hard.
他在一天结束时倾听克里斯汀的问题，直到他说，这听起来很难，然后他说，这听起来很难。
And it's gotten pretty comfortable.
而且已经变得相当舒服了。
At some point in this process, it felt like it did become second nature.
在这个过程的某个时刻，感觉它确实成为了第二天性。
I can't claim that it's true empathy.
我不能说这是真正的同理心。
It's more intellect than it is just raw--
它比纯粹的原始更具有智慧——
Feeling.
感觉。
David Finch --empathy and emotional response.
大卫·芬奇——同理心和情感反应。
Exactly, it's knowing versus feeling.
确切地说，这是知道与感觉。
I've achieved something that very much resembles empathy, and it's close enough for us.
我已经实现了非常类似于同理心的东西，而且对我们来说已经足够接近了。
But wait, is that satisfying for her?
但是等等，这让她满意吗？
I mean, if you say to her, like, god, that must be terrible for you, and you're not really empathizing, and she knows you're just saying it by rote because you've been trained to do it, is that actually satisfying to her?
我的意思是，如果你对她说，天啊，这对你来说一定很糟糕，而你并没有真正同情，而她知道你只是死记硬背，因为你已经接受过这样做的训练，这真的能让她满意吗？
That's a really great point.
这是一个非常好的观点。
I can now surmise, using intellect, that, yes, that must've been very trying for her.
我现在可以用智力推测，是的，这对她来说一定是非常艰难的。
Whether that's satisfying to her, maybe it would come as no surprise, I hadn't really thought about it too much in those terms.
无论这对她来说是否令人满意，也许这并不奇怪，我并没有在这些方面考虑太多。
Maybe it's not exactly heartfelt, but I don't now.
也许这并不完全是发自内心的，但我现在不这么认为。
I guess it works well enough for me.
我想它对我来说已经足够好了。
And that's kind of the question.
这就是问题所在。
If your spouse is pretending to be like everyone else who is in a marriage, is that just as good as them being like everyone else in a marriage?
如果你的配偶假装和婚姻中的其他人一样，这和他们和婚姻中的其他人一样好吗？
No. Well, I don't know.
不，嗯，我不知道。
I mean, I think, as the wife, I wanted him to have empathy.
我的意思是，我认为，作为妻子，我希望他有同理心。
I wanted him to put my feelings first, just in general.
我希望他把我的感受放在第一位，只是一般而言。
There are times when I wish he truly understood, I think.
我想，有时候我希望他能真正理解。
But I did understand that that's just not how his brain was wired.
但我确实明白，他的大脑并非如此。
Of course you want someone just to be able to magically do that, to read your mind, but that's not going to happen.
当然，你希望有人能够神奇地做到这一点，读懂你的想法，但这不会发生。
I mean, that's every marriage.
我的意思是，每一段婚姻都是如此。
You know, why won't he just do what I want him to do?
你知道，为什么他不做我想让他做的事呢？
Well, because he's not a mind-reader.
嗯，因为他不是读心术的人。
But so, OK, I'm going to tell him, this is how I need you to react, and it worked.
但是，好吧，我要告诉他，这就是我需要你做出的反应，而且它起作用了。
And the fact that he's going through the trouble in a way is showing that he cares.
事实上，他正在以某种方式解决这个麻烦，这表明他很关心。
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Ira Glass I was playing a draft of this story for three of the This American Life producers.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我正在为《美国生活》的三位制片人播放这个故事的草稿。
And I got done with it, and all four of us kind of admitted to each other that, in our own marriages, either we've been instructed or we have instructed our spouse the exact same thing that Kristen told Dave.
我完成了这件事，我们四个人都互相承认，在我们自己的婚姻中，要么我们被指示，要么我们已经向我们的配偶指示了克里斯汀告诉戴夫的一模一样的事情。
Just listen to me complain about my day, or whatever it is, and then here is what I want you to say.
听我抱怨我的一天，或者其他什么，然后这就是我想让你说的话。
And in those moments, when you go through the motions for the person that you love, and say what they want you to say because they specifically said that's what they need-- we have all had the experience in our marriages-- that does the job.
在那些时刻，当你为你爱的人做一些动作，并说出他们想让你说的话，因为他们明确表示这就是他们所需要的——我们在婚姻中都有过这样的经历——那就成功了。
That works just fine.
效果很好。
David Finch has written a book about all this called The Journal of Best Practices .
大卫·芬奇（David Finch）写了一本关于这一切的书，名为《最佳实践杂志》（The Journal of Best Practices）。
His wife, Kristen, says that women are constantly asking her for the link to that questionnaire that she gave her husband.
他的妻子克里斯汀说，女性不断向她索要她给丈夫的调查问卷的链接。
So you can find that out our website, thisamericanlife.org.
因此，您可以通过我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org 找到该信息。
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Our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can stream all of our old shows for absolutely free, subscribe to our podcast.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费地观看我们所有的旧节目，请订阅我们的播客。
And we have posted right now, a listener's survey.
我们现在已经发布了一项听众调查。
It would help us find more listeners like you if we knew who you are.
如果我们知道您是谁，这将帮助我们找到更多像您一样的听众。
So I hope you'll consider taking a minute to fill it out.
所以我希望您能考虑花一点时间填写一下。
Again, that's thisamericanlife.org.
再说一遍，这是 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our show by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia, who starts his new sexual harassment in the workplace training video this way.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的节目进行了 WBEZ 管理监督，他以这种方式开始了他新的工作场所性骚扰培训视频。
So listen, whatcha doing over there?
听着，那边在做什么？
You got anything going on sexually in your life, anything going on love life?
你的生活中发生过性生活、爱情生活吗？
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life .
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。