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Prologue Ira Glass One of our radio show's producers, Jonathan, went driving around after the snowstorm this week with this family friend.
序言 Ira Glass 我们广播节目的制作人之一乔纳森本周在暴风雪过后与一位家庭朋友开车出去兜风。
We're heading down into a neighborhood where I started all this.
我们正前往一个我开始这一切的社区。
That's when I got my first snow plow.
就在那时，我得到了第一台除雪机。
And I think the karma thing started there.
我认为业力的事情就是从那里开始的。
This guy was working for a school.
这家伙在学校工作。
It was his job to plow the parking lot.
他的工作就是清理停车场。
And just as a lark, he began to do a few of the neighbors' driveways also.
为了好玩，他也开始修整邻居的一些车道。
And it totally won people over.
它完全赢得了人们的支持。
It actually made him a friend.
这实际上使他成为了朋友。
It made the school look good with its neighbors.
这使学校在邻居眼中看起来很不错。
And then, after that, long after he quit that job, he'd be driving around in the middle of the night, plowing driveways for a couple dozen people who would pay him for the service.
然后，在那之后，在他辞掉那份工作很久之后，他会在半夜开车四处走动，为几十个愿意付钱给他服务的人清理车道。
And he also, just for free, would plow the driveways of people that he liked and for old people he didn't think should be shoveling and for people who he thought just deserved it.
而且，他还会免费为他喜欢的人、他认为不应该铲土的老人以及他认为应得的人清理车道。
He tells this story about how, a couple years ago, he was riding around with his motorcycle, and he ran out of gas.
他讲述了这样一个故事：几年前，他骑着摩托车四处骑行，突然没油了。
And he knocked on a stranger's door.
然后他敲了一个陌生人的门。
And this really nice Chinese lady answered her door.
这位非常好的中国女士开门了。
And I told her I ran out of gas with my bike.
我告诉她我的自行车没油了。
Could I leave it there?
我可以把它留在那里吗？
And I was prepared to walk home.
我准备步行回家。
And she offered the gas.
她提供了汽油。
She said, I have gas for my lawn mower.
她说，我的割草机有汽油。
Will it work for your motorcycle?
它适用于您的摩托车吗？
She saved him from a five-mile walk home late at night.
她让他免于深夜步行五英里回家。
So I did her driveway for her for two years.
所以我为她修了两年的车道。
And she never knew that I did it, I don't think.
我想她从来不知道是我干的。
Why didn't you tell her that you were doing this?
你为什么不告诉她你正在这样做？
I didn't think I needed to do that.
我不认为我需要这样做。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I didn't want to creep her out or anything.
我不想让她害怕或者其他什么。
I just did it like that.
我就是这么做的。
So that's what he would do if you likes you.
所以如果你喜欢你，他就会这么做。
If you crossed him, he would mete out snowy, icy justice, like he did with one of his customers who decided not to pay him for a couple plows, stiffed him.
如果你惹恼了他，他就会施以冰雪般的、冰冷的正义，就像他对一位顾客所做的那样，这位顾客决定不付钱给他几把犁，并严厉地对待他。
You know, that six inches of snow at the end of her driveway, I can't tell you how many times that became 12 or 18 inches.
你知道，她的车道尽头的六英寸厚的雪，我无法告诉你有多少次变成了 12 或 18 英寸。
And it wasn't from mother nature.
这不是来自大自然。
It was from me.
是我发的。
Drop a little present, you know?
送点小礼物，知道吗？
Some snow, a little extra for them.
一些雪，对他们来说是额外的一点。
A little payback there.
那里有一点回报。
It would be nice if we all had a snowplow fairy out there for every part of our lives, shoveling out street justice while we all sleep.
如果我们生活的每一个部分都有一个扫雪仙子，在我们睡觉的时候铲除街头正义，那就太好了。
We don't, of course.
当然，我们不这么认为。
Usually, the best that any of us can hope for is that everyone around us will get what they deserve, that they'll reap what they sow, and things will work themselves out in a way that rewards the right people and punishes the other people.
通常，我们任何人所能期望的最好的结果就是我们周围的每个人都会得到他们应得的，他们会收获他们所播种的，并且事情会以一种奖励正确的人并惩罚其他人的方式自行解决。
Today on our radio program, we have two stories where we watch that play out.
今天，在我们的广播节目中，我们观看了两个故事。
In one story, an entire state tries something bold, and then everybody in the state has to live with the shakeout.
在一个故事中，整个州尝试了一些大胆的事情，然后该州的每个人都必须忍受这种洗牌。
In the other, consequences include two live chickens.
另一方面，后果包括两只活鸡。
From WBEZ-Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
这是来自 WBEZ-Chicago 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Alien Experiment.
第一幕，外星人实验。
The Obama administration has deported undocumented immigrants at a greater rate than any previous administration.
奥巴马政府驱逐无证移民的速度比以往任何一届政府都要高。
It was 392,862 immigrants in 2010, over a million since he took office, which means that he's on track to deport more people in four years than the Bush administration did in eight.
2010 年有 392,862 名移民，自他上任以来已超过 100 万，这意味着他有望在四年内驱逐出境人数，比布什政府在八年内驱逐的人数还要多。
The Obama administration has also issued 10 times more in fines to employers who knowingly hire illegal workers.
奥巴马政府还对故意雇用非法工人的雇主处以十倍以上的罚款。
But as a country, we are still in this weird limbo of having no coherent or effective national strategy to deal with the 11 million people who are in the country illegally.
但作为一个国家，我们仍然处于这种奇怪的困境，没有连贯或有效的国家战略来应对 1100 万非法居留者。
For a long time, there's been two camps when it comes to this issue.
长期以来，在这个问题上存在两个阵营。
There's the zero tolerance people, who want to round them all up and kick them all out.
有一些零容忍的人，他们想把他们全部围起来，然后把他们全部踢出去。
And then there are other people who want leniency, a pathway to citizenship.
还有其他人想要宽大处理，这是获得公民身份的途径。
But now there is this third way.
但现在有了第三种方法。
There's this new movement that has popped up in states like Arizona and Alabama.
亚利桑那州和阿拉巴马州等州出现了这种新运动。
It's formally called attrition through enforcement.
它的正式名称是“通过强制执行而减少”。
But casually, proponents use a phrase that you may have heard, self-deportation.
但支持者偶尔会使用一个你可能听过的短语：自我驱逐。
The idea is, make life so difficult, so unpleasant for illegal immigrants, that they choose to go home.
这个想法是，让非法移民的生活变得如此困难和不愉快，以至于他们选择回家。
They self-deport.
他们自行驱逐出境。
Jack Hitt went to the place that has been trying this out since October, Alabama.
杰克·希特 (Jack Hitt) 去了阿拉巴马州自 10 月以来一直在尝试这一做法的地方。
When Arizona passed its notorious immigration bill in 2010, there was outrage and a national debate about whether it had crossed some constitutional line.
当亚利桑那州于 2010 年通过臭名昭著的移民法案时，引起了愤怒，并就该法案是否跨越了某些宪法界限展开了全国性辩论。
Then, last summer, Alabama went way, way beyond that, passing the most sweeping immigration bill in the country.
然后，去年夏天，阿拉巴马州远远超出了这一目标，通过了该国最全面的移民法案。
I went down there, hearing that the law was causing no small amount of chaos.
我去了那里，听说这项法律造成了不小的混乱。
I wondered if they'd accidentally created more problems for themselves than they'd solved.
我想知道他们是否不小心给自己制造了比他们解决的问题更多的问题。
You may have seen reports of desperate farmers complaining that their crops were rotting in the fields.
您可能见过绝望的农民抱怨他们的庄稼在田里腐烂的报道。
Tomatoes, blueberries, squash, unpicked as workers fled the state.
工人们逃离该州时，西红柿、蓝莓、南瓜尚未采摘。
Members of the military who couldn't prove citizenship were frustrated in the simplest thing, like registering a boat.
无法证明公民身份的军人在最简单的事情上都感到沮丧，比如注册一艘船。
The Alabama Department of Revenue sidestepped certain provisions of the law so people wouldn't be thrown out of their homes.
阿拉巴马州税务局回避了法律的某些条款，这样人们就不会被赶出家门。
Frightened Latino parents kept thousands of students home from schools.
惊慌失措的拉丁裔家长让数千名学生留在家里，不上学。
Outraged principals rose up against the law.
愤怒的校长们奋起反抗这项法律。
A 12-year-old I met, named Stephanie, told me about an assembly in her school.
我遇到的一位名叫斯蒂芬妮的 12 岁女孩向我讲述了她学校举行的一次集会。
They started talking about how they're going to take illegal Mexicans out of school.
他们开始讨论如何将非法墨西哥人赶出学校。
They were talking about that if they do take our parents, we're OK, because they could send us to Mexico with them.
他们说如果他们真的带走我们的父母，我们就没事，因为他们可以把我们和他们一起送到墨西哥。
Almost everybody was crying.
几乎每个人都哭了。
The new law is designed to work like this.
新法律就是为了这样运作而设计的。
Turn almost every encounter between a regular person and a government official into a checkpoint, and the illegals will leave on their own accord.
几乎把普通人和政府官员的每一次相遇都变成检查站，非法分子就会自行离开。
That's self-deportation.
这就是自我驱逐。
Alabama's law, known as HB56, does this by enlisting every local and state police officer into the work of busting undocumented aliens.
阿拉巴马州的法律（称为 HB56）通过招募每一位当地和州警察参与抓捕无证外国人的工作来实现这一目标。
It also requires every state and local bureaucrat to first make sure you're legal before having any, quote, "transaction with a citizen." This includes everything from getting a hunting license to a mobile home registration sticker, to getting a death certificate.
它还要求每个州和地方官僚在进行任何“与公民的交易”之前首先确保您的合法性。这包括从获得狩猎许可证到移动房屋登记贴纸，再到获得死亡证明的一切。
Undocumented kids can still attend public school.
无证儿童仍然可以上公立学校。
But administrators have to determine the immigration status of all new students.
但管理人员必须确定所有新生的移民身份。
The law also makes it a crime for any citizen to knowingly hire or even help an undocumented worker in any way.
该法律还规定，任何公民故意雇用甚至以任何方式帮助无证工人的行为均属犯罪。
The Home Builders Association of Alabama, the US Chamber of Commerce, the Alabama Farmers Federation, and other local business groups came out against the law, because it created heaps of new paperwork and made the state look like a bad place to invest.
阿拉巴马州房屋建筑商协会、美国商会、阿拉巴马州农民联合会和其他当地商业团体站出来反对这项法律，因为它产生了大量新的文书工作，并使该州看起来像是一个糟糕的投资场所。
This bill was so far-reaching and so much unintended consequences out of it that continues to surface.
这项法案影响如此深远，其带来的意想不到的后果不断浮出水面。
This is Gerald Dial, the Republican whip in the state Senate, who helped pass the new law and now regrets it.
我是州参议院共和党党鞭杰拉尔德·戴尔（Gerald Dial），他曾帮助通过了新法律，但现在对此感到后悔。
He worries that new businesses are going to stay away.
他担心新企业会远离。
I understand economic recruiting.
我了解经济招聘。
And I say often that economic recruiting is more ruthless than quarterback recruiting for colleges.
我经常说，经济招聘比大学四分卫招聘更残酷。
They'll use anything against you.
他们会用一切手段来对付你。
And other states will begin to say, hey, you don't want to go to Alabama now.
其他州将开始说，嘿，你现在不想去阿拉巴马州。
If we're teetering out there, it's us and another, and everything's pretty even, we're probably going to lose those people.
如果我们在外面摇摇欲坠，只有我们和另一个人，而且一切都很平衡，我们可能会失去这些人。
We won't know about it.
我们不会知道这件事。
It won't be a big red flag-- hey, we didn't go to Alabama.
这不会是一个大危险信号——嘿，我们没有去阿拉巴马州。
We're going to go to Arkansas, or we're going to go to South Carolina because of this.
因此我们要去阿肯色州，或者去南卡罗来纳州。
But those things are going to impact on people.
但这些事情将会对人们产生影响。
And that's probably the most detrimental part of the whole bill.
这可能是整个法案中最有害的部分。
The guy who runs Alabama's retirement system, David Bronner, declared in November that the new law was already chilling foreign investment.
阿拉巴马州退休制度的负责人戴维·布朗纳 (David Bronner) 在 11 月份宣称，新法律已经令外国投资望而却步。
An $80 million Birmingham office tower, planned by a Spanish mega-bank, BBVA Group, had been scrapped.
西班牙大型银行 BBVA 集团计划耗资 8,000 万美元在伯明翰建造一座办公楼，但已被废弃。
And the Chinese backers of a new copper plant in Thomasville were having second thoughts, Bronner said.
布朗纳说，托马斯维尔新铜厂的中国支持者正在重新考虑。
Nine days later, the morning I arrived in Birmingham, the six-column headline screaming across the front page of the paper was, "Mercedes manager arrested under immigration law." The first newsworthy bust of this law was not a tractor-trailer filled with Mexican workers, but a German executive named Detlev Hager, who was seized and detained for not having the proper papers.
九天后，也就是我抵达伯明翰的早晨，报纸头版上的六栏大标题是“梅赛德斯经理根据移民法被捕”。这项法律的第一个有新闻价值的半身像不是一辆满载墨西哥工人的拖车，而是一位名叫德特列夫·哈格(Detlev Hager)的德国高管，他因没有适当的证件而被逮捕和拘留。
It was the talk of the town all day.
这是镇上一整天的话题。
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch later published an editorial poking fun at Alabama for its southern inhospitality and invited Mercedes to move its plant to Missouri.
《圣路易斯邮报》随后发表社论，嘲笑阿拉巴马州南部的冷漠态度，并邀请梅赛德斯将工厂迁至密苏里州。
"We are the Show-Me State," it said, "not the 'Show me your papers' state."
“我们是‘展示我的州’，”它说，“而不是‘展示你的文件’的州。”
A week later, another auto executive was stopped at a police checkpoint, this one from Honda.
一周后，另一位汽车业高管在警察检查站被拦下，这位高管来自本田。
He was carrying an international driver's license, a passport, and a work permit.
他持有国际驾照、护照和工作许可证。
But it wasn't enough.
但这还不够。
The governor, Robert Bentley, freaked out.
州长罗伯特·本特利吓坏了。
He held a press conference to let foreign executives know that they were still welcome in Alabama.
他召开新闻发布会，让外国高管知道阿拉巴马州仍然欢迎他们。
"People just need to calm down," he said.
“人们只需要冷静下来，”他说。
"Everything's going to be OK."
“一切都会好起来的。”
I spoke with Steven Anderson, the police chief in Tuscaloosa, whose officer stopped the Mercedes executive.
我与塔斯卡卢萨市警察局长史蒂文·安德森进行了交谈，他的警官拦住了梅赛德斯高管。
I figured he might be defensive about the arrest, considering it made national news and embarrassed the governor.
我认为他可能对这次逮捕持防御态度，因为这件事成为了全国性新闻，并使州长感到尴尬。
But from his point of view, the situation was straightforward.
但从他的角度来看，情况很简单。
Officer made a traffic stop on a vehicle because it did not have a license plate displayed on the vehicle.
由于车辆上没有显示车牌，警察对车辆进行了交通截停。
The officer subsequently, under 32-6-9, was required to take that individual into custody.
随后，该警官根据 32-6-9 的要求将该人拘留。
If those same circumstances were to happen this afternoon, would the executive be brought before a magistrate again?
如果今天下午发生同样的情况，这位高管是否会再次被带见地方法官？
I mean, is that the process now?
我的意思是，现在是这个过程吗？
Yes.
是的。
If the situation were to arise again, we would handle it just as we handled it.
如果再出现这种情况，我们也会像以前那样处理。
Back before the law, the officer could have issued a quick citation to the German executive on the side of the road.
回到法律面前，该官员本可以向路边的德国高管发出快速传票。
And be done with it in about a 15- to 20-minute traffic stop.
并在大约 15 至 20 分钟的交通停车时间内完成。
Versus?
相对？
Steven Anderson Versus having to spend two or three hours with an individual while we determine whether they're here legally or not.
史蒂文·安德森 (Steven Anderson) 与我们必须花两到三个小时与一个人在一起来确定他们是否合法居留的情况。
Chief Anderson tells me flat-out, he thinks this is a waste of resources, something his officers shouldn't be doing.
安德森警长直截了当地告诉我，他认为这是浪费资源，他的军官不应该这样做。
But they have no choice, because the new law makes immigration a primary mission for police.
但他们别无选择，因为新法律将移民作为警察的首要任务。
Legislators put language into the law that allows any citizen to sue the police if they are caught not enforcing the immigration provision.
立法者在法律中加入了允许任何公民在被发现不执行移民规定的情况下起诉警察的条款。
To me, that just screamed of the fact that they understood that they had to have some type of sanctions out there to hold law enforcement's feet to the fire on this, because we wouldn't make this a priority if they didn't.
对我来说，这只是尖叫了这样一个事实：他们明白，他们必须采取某种形式的制裁，以阻止执法部门对此采取行动，因为如果他们不这样做，我们就不会将此作为优先事项。
And why wouldn't they make it a priority?
他们为什么不把它作为优先事项呢？
Because there's actual crime in Tuscaloosa.
因为塔斯卡卢萨确实存在犯罪行为。
And I'll tell you what.
我会告诉你什么。
The Hispanic population was not the population in our community that was committing those crimes.
西班牙裔人口并不是我们社区中犯下这些罪行的人口。
So immigration was not a problem for our police department.
所以移民对我们警察局来说不是问题。
It was not in my top 10, maybe not even in my top 20, of concerns that I had for the city of Tuscaloosa.
我对塔斯卡卢萨市的担忧不在我的前 10 名，甚至可能不在我的前 20 名。
Not in the top 20 for many reasons.
由于多种原因没有进入前20名。
But here's one.
但这里有一个。
There just aren't that many immigrants in Alabama.
阿拉巴马州的移民并不多。
It's not like Arizona, where a third of the state is Latino.
它不像亚利桑那州，该州三分之一的人口是拉丁裔。
In Alabama, the number is less than 4%.
在阿拉巴马州，这个数字不到 4%。
And yet, rooting out illegal immigrants is now a priority across the state.
然而，根除非法移民现在是全州的首要任务。
The law is so comprehensive that some officials seem to be overreaching, just to be on the safe side.
法律如此全面，以至于一些官员似乎为了安全起见而做得太过分了。
An attorney told me about one guy being denied a jailhouse phone call, since use of the phone was considered a business transaction, and about a victim of domestic violence who was told by a judge that if she wanted a protective order, she might open herself up for deportation.
一位律师告诉我，一名男子被拒绝给监狱打电话，因为使用电话被视为商业交易；一名家庭暴力受害者被法官告知，如果她想要保护令，她可能会被驱逐出境。
But what I found most surprising was that amid the chaos, regular Alabamians, here and there, were taking the law to heart, pursuing ad hoc immigration justice on their own.
但我发现最令人惊讶的是，在混乱之中，各地的普通阿拉巴马人却将法律牢记在心，自行追求特别的移民正义。
I met a young Costa Rican woman named Carolina who long ago overstayed her visa.
我遇到了一位名叫卡罗莱纳的年轻哥斯达黎加妇女，她的签证早已逾期居留。
She told me about a recent time at a grocery store checkout.
她告诉我最近一次在杂货店结账时的事。
She and her husband tried to pay for their food with a credit card and valid ID.
她和她的丈夫尝试用信用卡和有效身份证件支付食物费用。
The cashier refused them, saying they'd first have to show that they were here legally.
收银员拒绝了他们，说他们首先必须证明自己是合法来到这里的。
I swear, they don't want to sell us the groceries.
我发誓，他们不想卖给我们杂货。
Carolina had just had a birthday when we met.
我们见面时卡罗莱纳刚刚过生日。
And her mother back home had wired her some money to buy a gift, a money gram she could pick up at Walmart, not a government office, but a private business.
她家乡的母亲给她汇了一些钱去买礼物，她可以在沃尔玛购买一克汇票，而不是政府办公室，而是一家私营企业。
So no problem.
所以没问题。
She'd done this many, many times in the nearly seven years she's lived in Alabama.
在阿拉巴马州生活的近七年里，她已经做过很多很多次这样的事了。
Before the law, all she had to do was show ID and type in the secret PIN number her mother had sent her.
在法律面前，她所要做的就是出示身份证件并输入她母亲发给她的秘密密码。
But this time--
但这一次——
They did not give me the money.
他们没有给我钱。
They just refused to give me the money, because I cannot prove to the girl that I was legal.
他们只是拒绝给我钱，因为我无法向女孩证明我是合法的。
And I don't know why I have to prove her that.
我不知道为什么我必须向她证明这一点。
So I tried a lot with her.
所以我和她一起尝试了很多。
I was dealing with her for about 15 minutes.
我和她相处了大约15分钟。
But she says no. So I went already to three different Walmarts.
但她说不。所以我已经去了三个不同的沃尔玛。
And I don't have my money yet.
而且我还没有钱。
When we asked Walmart about this, a spokesperson said their procedures for getting a money gram are the same at every store nationwide and don't require proof of citizenship.
当我们向沃尔玛询问此事时，一位发言人表示，全国每家商店获取 Money gram 的程序都是相同的，并且不需要公民身份证明。
Another provision of the law makes any contract with an undocumented alien unenforceable in court.
该法律的另一项规定规定，与无证外国人签订的任何合同都无法在法庭上执行。
Some people are using it to mess with illegal immigrants.
有些人用它来骚扰非法移民。
Mary Bauer is a lawyer with the Southern Poverty Law Center.
玛丽·鲍尔是南方贫困法律中心的一名律师。
Certainly, people have been told that they're not going to be able to rent housing anymore.
当然，人们被告知他们将无法再租房子了。
That's something that's been very common.
这是很常见的事情。
Some workers have been told that they're not going to get paid for the work they've already done, because that would be an illegal contract.
一些工人被告知，他们不会为已经完成的工作获得报酬，因为那将是非法合同。
Before the law, undocumented people like Carolina expected certain bureaucratic inconveniences.
在法律出台之前，像卡罗莱纳这样的无证人士预计会遇到一些官僚方面的不便。
She couldn't get a water bill in her own name.
她无法以自己的名义拿到水费单。
And sure, she had to be careful in certain situations.
当然，在某些情况下她必须小心。
She worried what would happen if she were pulled over by a traffic cop.
她担心如果她被交警拦下来会发生什么。
But by and large, life was predictable.
但总的来说，生活是可以预测的。
It wasn't scary.
这并不可怕。
The intention of the law is to take all that away, to make life uncomfortable.
法律的目的是剥夺这一切，让生活变得不舒服。
And it's working.
它正在发挥作用。
Now Carolina told me that before she drives anywhere in a car, she says a prayer.
现在卡罗莱纳告诉我，在她开车前往任何地方之前，她都会祈祷。
She has appointed a legal guardian, an American, for her three-year-old son, in case she disappears into an immigration holding cell.
她为她三岁的儿子指定了一位美国人的法定监护人，以防她消失在移民拘留室里。
At least she'll know that her son won't wind up in foster care.
至少她会知道她的儿子不会最终被寄养。
And recently, she made a decision.
而最近，她做出了一个决定。
Her son loves preschool.
她的儿子喜欢上学前班。
He's a smart kid.
他是个聪明的孩子。
And he's got a lot of friends there.
他在那里有很多朋友。
But getting caught on the road now on the drive back and forth to school is too risky.
但现在在往返学校的路上被困的风险太大了。
And actually, this is the last month that my son is going to school, because he's not safe with me to take him to school.
事实上，这是我儿子上学的最后一个月，因为我带他去学校对他来说并不安全。
And he's going to be safe in here, at home.
他在这里、在家里会很安全。
For a lot of Latinos who've decided to stay in Alabama, life has become about hunkering down, waiting and seeing.
对于许多决定留在阿拉巴马州的拉丁美洲人来说，生活已经变成了蹲守、等待和观望。
I went to a mobile home park where a lot of undocumented immigrants live, and spent a day with a mother named Gabriella.
我去了一个居住着很多无证移民的活动房屋公园，和一位名叫加布里埃拉的母亲一起度过了一天。
Like Carolina, she's afraid to drive now.
和卡罗莱纳一样，她现在害怕开车。
But she's taken it one step further.
但她又更进一步了。
She's quit her job and almost never goes out.
她辞去了工作，几乎从不出门。
And I had to be here, hide in my own home, because I need to stay here for my children when they come back from the school.
我必须在这里，躲在自己的家里，因为当我的孩子们从学校回来时，我需要留在这里。
Folks like Gabriella have another strategy, too-- try not to encounter white people at all.
像加布里埃拉这样的人还有另一个策略——尽量不要遇到白人。
They only shop at Hispanic markets.
他们只在西班牙市场购物。
Carolina told me that when she does go to a regular grocery store now, she wanders up and down the cashier area, hoping to catch a subtle smile before getting into a checkout line.
卡罗莱纳告诉我，现在当她去一家普通杂货店时，她会在收银台来回走动，希望在排队结账之前能看到一个微妙的微笑。
Another mobile homeowner told me he'd heard of a friendly clerk in a neighboring town who would renew mobile home licenses without asking too many questions.
另一位活动房主告诉我，他听说邻近城镇有一位友好的职员，他会在不问太多问题的情况下更新活动房许可证。
Others said they've created an underground railroad of information about sympathetic folks and make contact with faith groups that defiantly provide workers rides to their jobs.
其他人则表示，他们已经建立了一条地下铁路，提供有关同情者的信息，并与那些不顾一切地为工人提供乘车上班的信仰团体取得联系。
Gabriella said that the new attitude has permeated every aspect of her life, every aspect.
加布里埃拉说，新的态度已经渗透到她生活的方方面面、方方面面。
Yes, because even in the church, you find people that say, well, we are in God's house.
是的，因为即使在教会里，你也会发现有人说，好吧，我们是在神的家里。
And then they don't want to talk at you.
然后他们就不想和你说话了。
And they don't want to give the peace to you.
他们不想给你平安。
That is so sad.
那真是太悲伤了。
So in your church, you have the passing of the peace, that part of the service?
那么在你们的教会里，你们有平安的传递，那部分的礼拜吗？
And so in your church, when they do that, what normally happens?
那么在你们的教会中，当他们这样做时，通常会发生什么？
You turn and shake hands with people?
你转身与人握手吗？
Yes.
是的。
They shake hands and everything.
他们握手等等。
But now I found some people that say, I don't want to do peace with you.
但现在我发现有些人说，我不想和你和平相处。
Every Latino person, legal or illegal, whom I spoke to noted at some point that there's just something hateful in the air now.
我采访过的每一个拉丁裔人，无论是合法的还是非法的，都曾在某个时刻指出，现在空气中弥漫着仇恨的气息。
Before the law, they felt accepted.
在法律面前，他们感到被接受了。
They had American friends.
他们有美国朋友。
They didn't feel out of place.
他们并没有感到格格不入。
Now when they go to a store, every single one of them told me they feel that people are looking at them weirdly, like, what are you still doing here?
现在，当他们去商店时，他们每个人都告诉我，他们觉得人们用奇怪的眼神看着他们，比如，你还在这里做什么？
When the law changed to make them less welcome, they actually became less welcome, in a day-to-day, "passing you on the street" sort of way.
当法律改变使他们不那么受欢迎时，他们实际上变得不那么受欢迎，以一种日复一日的“在街上与你擦肩而过”的方式。
School kids told me they're fighting off comments like, I'm glad you're all moving, we don't want you here, you take our jobs.
学生们告诉我，他们正在抵制这样的评论，比如，我很高兴你们都搬家了，我们不希望你们在这里，你们抢走了我们的工作。
At a pep rally, where Latinos were all sitting up front, kids started shouting, Mexicans move to the back.
在一次动员大会上，拉丁美洲人都坐在前面，孩子们开始大喊大叫，墨西哥人则退到了后面。
And most of them did.
他们中的大多数人都这么做了。
There's missing about at least five in each one of my classes.
我的每一堂课上至少有五个人缺课。
Are there friends of yours?
有你的朋友吗？
Stephanie Yeah.
斯蒂芬妮 是的。
This is Stephanie.
这是斯蒂芬妮。
She was hanging out with Gabriella's daughter and some other kids in the back of Gabriella's trailer, playing video games while their parents held a prayer meeting in the other room, hoping for repeal of the new law.
她和加布里埃拉的女儿以及其他一些孩子在加布里埃拉的拖车后面闲逛，玩电子游戏，而他们的父母在另一个房间举行祈祷会，希望废除新法律。
We talked about all the kids that had left her school since October.
我们谈论了自十月份以来离开她学校的所有孩子。
It was really hard to let them go, mostly because they were girls.
让她们离开真的很难，主要是因为她们是女孩。
One of the names was Jessie.
其中一个名字是杰西。
She was my best friend.
她是我最好的朋友。
But she had to leave because of the law.
但由于法律规定，她必须离开。
So what we did, we went to the movies before she left.
所以我们做了什么，在她离开之前我们去看了电影。
And the day that she left, I went to the store and bought her a teddy bear.
她离开的那天，我去商店给她买了一只泰迪熊。
We started to cry.
我们开始哭泣。
And where did she move to?
她搬到哪里去了？
Stephanie She moved to Mexico.
斯蒂芬妮她搬到了墨西哥。
She said that it's funner than here.
她说比这里好玩。
She said that she can move around.
她说她可以四处走动。
Her parents let her go out more, because they're not scared that immigration or something, that she can just be free, go out to the mall by herself, because here, we can't do that without getting in trouble or something.
她的父母让她更多地出去，因为他们不害怕移民什么的，她可以自由地自己出去逛商场，因为在这里，我们不能这样做而不遇到麻烦什么的。
Stephanie says that.
斯蒂芬妮这么说。
But the adults, in fact, are terrified of Mexico.
但事实上，成年人都害怕墨西哥。
They read the papers, too, and hear of dead bodies found in playgrounds, revenge killings, random murders.
他们也阅读报纸，听说操场上发现尸体、报复性杀戮、随机谋杀。
If the new law brings more pressure on them, the grown-ups say, they might move to another state, but not to Mexico.
大人们说，如果新法律给他们带来更大压力，他们可能会搬到另一个州，但不会搬到墨西哥。
Here's Gabriella again.
加布里埃拉又来了。
A friend of hers did go back to Mexico just after the law passed.
法律通过后，她的一个朋友确实回到了墨西哥。
And I even called her last week.
上周我什至给她打了电话。
She was crying, because she never thought Mexico was so scary.
她哭了，因为她从来没有想到墨西哥如此可怕。
And she told me, I prefer to be there, waiting for the police to catch me.
她告诉我，我更愿意呆在那里，等待警察来抓我。
But here, I'm afraid.
但在这里，我害怕。
And they are going to kill my children or me.
他们会杀死我的孩子或我。
Besides the fear, Gabriella's like any mom.
除了恐惧之外，加布里埃拉就像所有妈妈一样。
Her kids are Americans.
她的孩子是美国人。
They were born here.
他们出生在这里。
Their friends are all here.
他们的朋友都在这里。
Alabama's their home.
阿拉巴马州是他们的家。
She doesn't want to uproot them or herself.
她不想让他们连根拔起，也不想让她自己连根拔起。
We met in November, in her living room.
我们十一月在她的客厅里见面。
Earlier this week, as I was finishing this story, I found out that Gabriella's husband was arrested and deported.
本周早些时候，当我完成这个故事时，我发现加布里埃拉的丈夫被捕并被驱逐出境。
She and her children have moved to Mexico.
她和她的孩子们搬到了墨西哥。
All these bills are designed for people to say, you know what, they're going to try to enforce the law here in this state.
所有这些法案都是为了让人们说，你知道吗，他们将试图在这个州执行法律。
And maybe we need to move back to our home country.
也许我们需要搬回自己的祖国。
Or maybe we need to move to a state that has its arms wide open for illegal aliens.
或者也许我们需要搬到一个对非法移民张开双臂的国家。
Senator Scott Beason is the Republican leader in the state legislature.
参议员斯科特·比森是州立法机构的共和党领袖。
And he was the primary sponsor of the bill last year.
他是去年该法案的主要发起人。
As far as he's concerned, the law is working spectacularly well.
就他而言，法律运作得非常好。
In just three months, it's prompted massive self-deportation, roughly 75,000 people.
短短三个月内，就引发了大规模的自我驱逐，大约有 75,000 人。
And, Beason says, this has opened up jobs for American citizens, just like lawmakers hoped it would.
比森说，这为美国公民提供了就业机会，正如立法者所希望的那样。
Of course, it only went into effect October 1.
当然，它是10月1日才生效的。
We've already seen a tremendous drop in our unemployment numbers.
我们已经看到失业人数大幅下降。
In the month of October alone, while the country averaged a tenth of 1% drop, Alabama had five times that.
仅在 10 月份，该国平均下降了 1% 的十分之一，而阿拉巴马州的下降幅度是该数字的五倍。
And that's corrected seasonal numbers.
这是修正后的季节性数字。
So we're very proud of what the legislation has done already.
因此，我们对立法已经完成的工作感到非常自豪。
Given those numbers, Beason has every right to be proud.
考虑到这些数字，比森完全有理由感到自豪。
He's saying Alabama shaved half a percentage point off the unemployment rolls in October, while the national average was a piddly one-tenth of 1%.
他说，阿拉巴马州 10 月份的失业率下降了半个百分点，而全国平均失业率只有 1% 的十分之一。
And that's in a place that ranks among the lowest states in terms of illegal immigration.
该州是非法移民数量最低的州之一。
If Beason's right, then a quick solution to this unending recession and its high unemployment would be an anti-immigration bill like Alabama's in every state.
如果比森是对的，那么解决这场无休无止的经济衰退和高失业率的快速解决方案将是像阿拉巴马州在每个州推行的反移民法案。
Jobs, Beason told me, were the main reason he drafted this bill.
比森告诉我，乔布斯是他起草这项法案的主要原因。
I would probably say one of the most moving stories is, back in 2008, we had started the immigration commission.
我可能会说最感人的故事之一是，早在 2008 年，我们就成立了移民委员会。
And we were in Huntsville, Alabama.
我们当时在阿拉巴马州亨茨维尔。
And there was a woman who came up.
这时有一个女人走了过来。
I don't know her name.
我不知道她的名字。
I'd never seen her before and never seen her again.
我以前从未见过她，也从未见过她。
My guess is she was in some sort of maid service, custodial service.
我猜她从事某种女仆服务、托管服务。
She came up to the table and said, Senator-- she was beginning to cry-- she said, I just want to let you know that in the job service I'm in, a lot of my competition has begun to hire people who aren't supposed to be here at all.
她走到桌前说，参议员——她开始哭了——她说，我只是想让你知道，在我从事的就业服务中，我的很多竞争对手已经开始雇用根本不应该在这里的人。
They're here illegally.
他们是非法入境的。
Because of that competition, I can't find work.
由于竞争，我找不到工作。
I've lost my clients.
我失去了我的客户。
And I have just paid my house payment on my credit card.
我刚刚用信用卡付了房款。
When I tell that story today, it still breaks my heart.
今天，当我讲起这个故事时，我的心仍然很痛。
And I decided that was one of the main things.
我认为这是主要的事情之一。
I've been interested in this issue.
我对这个问题一直很感兴趣。
But this is the kind of thing that cannot be allowed.
但这是一种不能允许的事情。
We were elected to stand up for that lady.
我们被选为支持那位女士。
And if I ever get a little deterred about what we're trying to do, I think about that lady's face, the story she told me.
如果我对我们正在尝试做的事情感到有点犹豫，我就会想到那位女士的脸，她告诉我的故事。
I've never talked to her again.
我再也没有和她说过话。
And I hope that now that we've done something, that we've helped her.
我希望现在我们已经做了一些事情，我们已经帮助了她。
Whether he's helped her is unclear, because when it comes to the impressive unemployment numbers Beason cites, there's a catch.
目前尚不清楚他是否帮助了她，因为当谈到比森引用的令人印象深刻的失业数字时，有一个问题。
Other than Beason and his strongest supporters, I could not find anyone else who attributed the drop in unemployment to the new law.
除了比森和他最坚定的支持者之外，我找不到其他人将失业率下降归因于新法律。
The director of economic forecasting at the University of Alabama, Ahmad Ijaz, he didn't.
阿拉巴马大学经济预测主任艾哈迈德·伊贾兹（Ahmad Ijaz）却没有。
In fact, he said that most of the job growth last year was in the automotive sector.
事实上，他表示去年的就业增长大部分来自汽车行业。
You don't find many illegal workers in those Mercedes and Honda plants.
在梅赛德斯和本田的工厂里你找不到多少非法工人。
He went on to say that the other area of growth this fall was retail, probably due to the seasonal Christmas bump.
他接着说，今年秋天的另一个增长领域是零售业，这可能是由于季节性圣诞节的影响。
And Ijaz says there wasn't any job growth in sectors where Latinos typically work-- agriculture, poultry processing, and construction.
伊贾兹表示，拉丁美洲人通常工作的行业——农业、家禽加工和建筑业——的就业机会没有任何增长。
So how did immigration become the hottest political topic in a state with relatively few illegal immigrants?
那么，在一个非法移民相对较少的州，移民是如何成为最热门的政治话题的呢？
It wasn't much of an issue at all in Alabama until 2010, when Beason and his fellow Republicans put it on the agenda in a big way way.
直到 2010 年，Beason 和他的共和党同僚才将其正式提上议程，这在阿拉巴马州根本不是什么大问题。
They campaigned on a set of promises they called "the Republican handshake," five pledges to voters, including combating illegal immigration.
他们在竞选时提出了一系列被称为“共和党握手”的承诺，其中包括向选民做出的五项承诺，其中包括打击非法移民。
The Alabama legislature has been dominated by Democrats since the Civil War.
自内战以来，阿拉巴马州立法机关一直由民主党控制。
But the handshake worked.
但握手确实有效。
Republicans gained super majorities in both chambers of Alabama's legislature.
共和党在阿拉巴马州立法机关的参众两院都获得了绝对多数席位。
They essentially could pass anything they wanted.
他们基本上可以通过他们想要的任何东西。
And they had a mandate from the people.
他们得到了人民的授权。
Democrats say the people had little to do with it.
民主党人表示，民众与此事无关。
I did not once hear about immigration when I was on the campaign trail.
当我参加竞选活动时，我从未听说过移民问题。
Now, keep in mind I live in an urban district.
现在，请记住我住在市区。
But it seemed to me to be more of a political issue than a practical issue.
但在我看来，这更像是一个政治问题，而不是一个实际问题。
Joe Hubbard is a conservative Democrat for Montgomery.
乔·哈伯德是蒙哥马利的保守派民主党人。
He was also elected in 2010.
他也在2010年当选。
He says that the immigration issue represents a fundamental change in the way Alabama politicians run for state office, one that's been in the works for years.
他说，移民问题代表了阿拉巴马州政治家竞选州公职方式的根本性改变，这一改变已经酝酿多年。
In the past decade or so, before 2010, your state legislator was as local a politician as you got.
在过去十年左右的时间里，即 2010 年之前，你们的州立法者是当地的政治家。
He was the guy that you talked to about schools.
他就是你和他谈论学校的那个人。
He was the guy that you talked to about funding for that road project you need.
他就是您与您谈论为您所需的道路项目提供资金的人。
And so the legislature was, in essence, a very local race.
因此，立法机关本质上是一个非常本地化的种族。
I think from 2004 to 2006, and ultimately in 2010, you saw efforts by the Alabama Republican Party to nationalize local elections and to talk about what's going on in DC, the congressional Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, on and on.
我认为从 2004 年到 2006 年，最终在 2010 年，你看到了阿拉巴马州共和党努力将地方选举国有化，并谈论华盛顿特区、国会民主党、南希·佩洛西等正在发生的事情。
I think there was polling that showed immigration, which heretofore has been a national issue, could make for good state political fodder.
我认为民意调查显示，迄今为止一直是全国性问题的移民可以成为良好的州政治素材。
And when it came to actually writing the immigration bill, Hubbard says, the Alabama Republicans seemed to listen not so much to local voters, but to strategists in the National Republican Party.
哈伯德说，在实际起草移民法案时，阿拉巴马州共和党人似乎并没有过多听取当地选民的意见，而是听取了全国共和党战略家的意见。
And I think Alabama, perhaps, has become a state where the National Party could try out some legislative experiments to see how they'd work in other states.
我认为阿拉巴马州也许已经成为国家党可以尝试一些立法实验的州，看看它们在其他州的运作方式。
I'm not sure.
我不知道。
But that appears to be the case on immigration.
但移民问题似乎就是这样。
And I know for a fact that an attorney from the Midwest actually drafted the legislation that the state legislature passed.
我知道一个事实是，一位来自中西部的律师实际上起草了州立法机关通过的立法。
The bill that came out of conference committee was not drafted by any Alabama legislator.
会议委员会提出的法案并非由任何阿拉巴马州立法者起草。
It was drafted by an attorney.
它是由律师起草的。
And his name escapes me right now.
我现在记不起他的名字了。
My name is Kris Kobach.
我叫克里斯·科巴赫。
And I'm Secretary of State of the state of Kansas.
我是堪萨斯州国务卿。
And he's the mastermind of attrition through enforcement.
他是通过执法减少人员消耗的策划者。
You might not have heard of him, but he's an up-and-coming Republican star.
你可能没有听说过他，但他是一位崭露头角的共和党明星。
He was campaigning with Mitt Romney in South Carolina all last week.
上周他一直在南卡罗来纳州与米特·罗姆尼一起竞选。
He's helped write different immigration bills in cities and states all over the country-- Pennsylvania, Texas, Missouri, Nebraska, Utah.
他帮助全国各地的城市和州起草了不同的移民法案——宾夕法尼亚州、德克萨斯州、密苏里州、内布拉斯加州、犹他州。
And he wrote Arizona's law.
他还制定了亚利桑那州的法律。
So some folks, on the weekends, they go into their garage and fiddle with their car.
所以有些人，在周末，他们会走进车库摆弄他们的车。
You go into your garage and fiddle with immigration law.
你走进车库，摆弄移民法。
Yeah.
是的。
People do with their spare time what they feel fulfilled in.
人们利用业余时间做他们感到满足的事情。
And so some people golf.
所以有些人打高尔夫球。
Some people work on their car in the garage.
有些人在车库里修车。
I go into my home office and start typing away on the computer and trying to help states do what they can to restore the rule of law.
我走进家庭办公室，开始在电脑上打字，试图帮助各州尽其所能恢复法治。
And if you're starting a new movement, Kris Kobach is who you want to have as your spokesman-- Harvard undergrad, master's degree from Oxford, Yale law.
如果你要发起一场新的运动，克里斯·科巴赫就是你想要的代言人——哈佛本科生、牛津大学硕士学位、耶鲁大学法学院。
He's young.
他很年轻。
He has three adorable children.
他有三个可爱的孩子。
He is ruggedly handsome in a "TV superhero, rip off his shirt" sort of way.
他以一种“电视超级英雄，撕掉他的衬衫”的方式英俊潇洒。
And in the final days, as the Alabama immigration bill came close to a final vote, the lawmakers wanted his help.
在最后几天，随着阿拉巴马州移民法案接近最终投票，立法者们需要他的帮助。
Even though Kobach already had plans, he's not the kind of man to turn his back on legislators in distress.
尽管科巴赫已经有了计划，但他并不是那种对陷入困境的立法者置之不理的人。
I had already scheduled a turkey hunt and was going to be in Gardner, Kansas, looking to call in and shoot a tom turkey, and realized that if I wanted to get this work done, I'd have to do it while in the turkey blind or just give up on the hunting.
我已经安排了一次火鸡狩猎，打算去堪萨斯州的加德纳，打电话来射杀一只公火鸡，然后意识到，如果我想完成这项工作，我必须在火鸡盲区中进行，否则就放弃狩猎。
So I got in the blind, took my laptop computer, took my shotgun, and got all set up and had a good, fully charged battery, and just started working on the final amendments to the bill.
所以我在盲人中，拿起我的笔记本电脑，拿起我的猎枪，把所有的东西都准备好，并有一个良好的、充满电的电池，然后开始研究该法案的最终修正案。
And fortunately I did that, because the turkey didn't show up that day.
幸运的是我做到了，因为那天火鸡没有出现。
So I had something else to do.
所以我还有别的事要做。
Maybe it was the clicking on the keyboard that scared them away.
也许是敲击键盘的声音把他们吓跑了。
For Kobach, the passage of HB56 was the culmination of years of work.
对于科巴赫来说，HB56 的通过是多年工作的顶峰。
He'd been drafting and trying out different laws in other places, seeing if they'd hold up in court, revising, trying them again.
他一直在其他地方起草和尝试不同的法律，看看它们是否能在法庭上站得住脚，然后修改、再次尝试。
Then a few years ago, he met Senator Beason at a conservative conference.
几年前，他在一次保守派会议上遇到了参议员比森。
They collaborated on an anti-illegal immigration bill that went nowhere.
他们合作制定了一项反非法移民法案，但毫无进展。
Then in 2010, with new super majorities in the Alabama legislature, they could try everything on their immigration wish list, even things Republicans didn't get into the Arizona law, that immigration data would be collected on all entering schoolchildren, that every business transaction with the state would require a birth certificate.
然后到了 2010 年，阿拉巴马州立法机构获得了新的超级多数席位，他们可以尝试移民愿望清单上的所有内容，甚至是共和党人没有纳入亚利桑那州法律的内容，即收集所有入学学童的移民数据，与该州的每笔商业交易都需要出生证明。
After much of Alabama's bill held up in court, Kobach felt he'd finally had a template for other states to adopt.
在阿拉巴马州法案的大部分内容在法庭上被搁置后，科巴赫觉得他终于有了一个可供其他州采用的模板。
Kobach has been working on illegal immigration since 2001.
科巴赫自 2001 年以来一直致力于非法移民问题。
His big insight came right after 9/11, when he was working for the Justice Department.
9/11 事件发生后，他在司法部工作，获得了深刻的见解。
It was an a-ha moment when I realized that five of the 19 hijackers were in the country illegally.
当我意识到 19 名劫机者中有 5 人是非法入境时，我顿时恍然大悟。
Four of those five had traffic violations while they were illegally in the country.
这五人中有四人在非法入境期间曾发生交通违法行为。
And if the police officer had had that information at his fingertips, he could have made an arrest.
如果警察掌握了这些信息，他就可以逮捕。
But cops don't check for immigration status.
但警察不会检查移民身份。
Immigration agents do.
移民代理可以。
The problem was, there were only a few thousand of them.
问题是，他们的数量只有几千人。
Kobach realized what we need is what war planners call a force multiplier.
科巴赫意识到我们需要的是战争规划者所说的力量倍增器。
What if we enlisted the more than 700,000 state and local law enforcement officers across the country into the fight against illegal immigration?
如果我们动员全国超过 70 万的州和地方执法人员参与打击非法移民，结果会怎样？
The simplicity of Kobach's argument is what's so appealing.
科巴赫的论证的简单性正是如此吸引人的地方。
He isn't creating new policy at all.
他根本没有制定新政策。
He's simply empowering states to enforce what is already in the federal statutes.
他只是授权各州执行联邦法规中已有的规定。
And from the alien's perspective, it's better, too.
从外星人的角度来看，这也更好。
He can depart the United States on his own, freely, without ever being in custody.
他可以自己自由地离开美国，而无需被拘留。
And so there's more liberty for him.
所以他有更多的自由。
And there's less cost for the United States.
而且美国的成本也更低。
There's less cost, because if someone self-deports, there's no arrest.
成本更低，因为如果有人自我驱逐，就不会被逮捕。
There's no detention or immigration hearing.
没有拘留或移民听证会。
Attrition through enforcement sounds so rational, so clean, when Kobach explains it, like it'll happen automatically.
当科巴赫解释时，通过强制执行进行的减员听起来如此理性、如此干净，就像它会自动发生一样。
You don't have to do much.
你不需要做太多事情。
They'll just go.
他们就走吧。
But of course, the reality of self-deportation is much messier than that.
但当然，自我驱逐的现实比这要混乱得多。
You're threatening to separate parents and kids, drive them from their homes.
你威胁要把父母和孩子分开，把他们赶出家门。
It's completely primal, the things that terrify us most.
这是完全原始的，是最让我们恐惧的事情。
And that is the actual plan, to scare them.
这就是真正的计划，目的是吓唬他们。
I asked Kobach, point by point, about the unintended consequences of the Alabama bill.
我逐条询问科巴赫有关阿拉巴马州法案的意外后果。
He disputed everything.
他对一切都提出异议。
Did it hurt business?
对生意有影响吗？
Did it create chaos in the schools?
是否在学校造成混乱？
All overstated, he said.
他说，一切都被夸大了。
Finally, I asked him if it unearthed long-sequestered racial attitudes aimed at Latinos.
最后，我问他这是否揭示了长期以来针对拉丁裔的种族态度。
I think it's really an argument of last resort.
我认为这确实是最后的争论。
And that is, well, if you start enforcing immigration laws more aggressively, that's going to become a racially charged issue.
也就是说，如果你开始更积极地执行移民法，那将成为一个充满种族歧视的问题。
And my answer is, no, it's not.
我的回答是，不，不是。
I don't buy it.
我不买。
And frankly, that hasn't happened.
坦率地说，这还没有发生。
Well, you must know that there are people in Alabama who are saying unholy things as a result of this law, no?
好吧，你一定知道阿拉巴马州有人因为这项法律而说一些不道德的话，不是吗？
Well, I don't think it's fair to say as a result of the law.
嗯，我认为根据法律这样说是不公平的。
You can't legislate what is in people's hearts.
你无法立法规定人们心中的想法。
And if people have those twisted ideas of the world and have those ill feelings toward people who have a different skin color, I don't think you can say that the law has caused that.
如果人们对世界有那些扭曲的想法，并对不同肤色的人有那些恶感，我认为你不能说这是法律造成的。
And I don't think you can say that the law can ultimately stop that.
我不认为你可以说法律可以最终阻止这种情况。
I would also say that Alabama's reputation has also increased around the country, too.
我还想说，阿拉巴马州在全国的声誉也有所提高。
There are many legislators in other states that are saying, they've really done something great.
其他州的许多立法者都说，他们确实做了一些伟大的事情。
Do you think there have been any unintended consequences from this bill?
您认为该法案是否会产生任何意想不到的后果？
No, not really.
不，不是真的。
I mean, there have been some minor misinterpretations by one or two local officials of how they read the language.
我的意思是，一两个地方官员对他们如何阅读该语言存在一些轻微的误解。
But that's inevitable with any state law.
但这对于任何州法律来说都是不可避免的。
Which brings us back to State Senator Gerald Dial, the Republican whip you heard earlier, who's worried about scaring away business.
这让我们回到了州参议员杰拉尔德·戴尔（Gerald Dial），你之前听说过的共和党鞭子，他担心会吓跑生意。
He's leading a campaign to, as he puts it, "tweak the law," in all sorts of ways.
正如他所说，他正在领导一场以各种方式“调整法律”的运动。
Here's a big one.
这是一个大的。
He wants to get rid of this idea that any attempt to help people who might be illegal is itself illegal.
他想摆脱这样一种观念，即任何帮助可能违法的人的尝试本身就是非法的。
That bothers him enormously.
这让他非常烦恼。
He's a devout Christian, so he wants to insert a Good Samaritan provision to protect good, charitable folks who are just practicing their faith.
他是一名虔诚的基督徒，因此他想加入一项好撒玛利亚人条款，以保护那些正在实践信仰的善良、慈善的人们。
I had a man who runs a soup kitchen, feeds people just off the street, call me and said, that's just terrible, because I feed people.
我有一个经营施粥所的人，在街边给人们提供食物，他打电话给我说，这太糟糕了，因为我是在给人们提供食物。
And I don't stop the door and say, are you here illegally or legal?
我不会拦着门说，你是非法的还是合法的？
I feed you because you're hungry.
我喂你，因为你饿了。
And so that's a compassionate thing.
所以这是一件富有同情心的事情。
And that's the Christian thing to do.
这就是基督徒该做的事。
And we're going to put that part into the bill also.
我们也将把这部分纳入法案中。
OK.
好的。
So once you've amended the bill, do you think Jesus would vote for the bill?
那么一旦你修改了该法案，你认为耶稣会投票支持该法案吗？
Gosh, you've asked me a tough question.
天哪，你问了我一个棘手的问题。
I would hope that he would understand.
我希望他能理解。
I would say that, would he vote for the bill?
我想说的是，他会投票支持该法案吗？
Probably not.
可能不会。
Probably not.
可能不会。
If you just laid it all the way down, probably not.
如果你只是把它完全放下，可能不会。
Don't get Dial wrong.
不要把拨号弄错。
He still favors a strong law to encourage self-deportation.
他仍然赞成制定强有力的法律来鼓励自我驱逐。
But he thinks the law that passed last session, the rush and reach of it, the stuff that got inserted last minute, and the stuff he was told that would be included but wasn't, is hurting the state.
但他认为，上届会议通过的法律、其匆忙和影响范围、最后一刻插入的内容，以及他被告知将包含在内但没有包含的内容，正在损害国家利益。
I would not have voted for the bill had I understood the unintended consequences.
如果我了解意想不到的后果，我就不会投票支持该法案。
There are others who would not have also.
还有其他人也不会。
But you were locked into position, where you either vote for this, or you vote against it.
但你被锁定了一个位置，你要么投赞成票，要么投反对票。
And therefore, you're encouraging illegals.
因此，你是在鼓励非法行为。
So you're in a catch-22 as far as that goes.
所以到目前为止，你已经陷入了第 22 条军规。
So to show that we were not illegals, we had to vote for the bill.
因此，为了表明我们不是非法者，我们必须投票支持该法案。
But today, after hearing our constituents talk and after looking at the problem, we're going to try to fix some of those problems.
但今天，在听取了我们的选民的讲话并研究了问题之后，我们将尝试解决其中一些问题。
There is a bill, there is a proposed total repeal of HB56.
有一个法案，建议彻底废除HB56。
If it just came down to keeping things the way they are or voting for total repeal, how would you vote?
如果只是保持现状或投票完全废除，你会如何投票？
Well, I would probably vote for the repeal.
好吧，我可能会投票支持废除。
But the repeal bill's not going to get before us.
但废除法案不会摆在我们面前。
I asked Joe Hubbard, the Montgomery democrat, what he thought the chances were for repeal.
我问蒙哥马利民主党人乔·哈伯德（Joe Hubbard），他认为废除该法案的可能性有多大。
Zero.
零。
Jack Hitt Republicans have been pounding this issue for too long to backtrack now.
杰克·希特共和党人已经在这个问题上争论太久了，现在不能回头了。
Besides, Hubbard says, they don't need to.
此外，哈伯德说，他们不需要这样做。
The politics of this bill are very good for the Republicans, I think.
我认为这项法案的政治意义对共和党来说非常有利。
A Republican operative told me the other day that this bill's polling very high in popularity in Alabama.
一位共和党特工前几天告诉我，该法案在阿拉巴马州的民意调查中非常受欢迎。
Expect to see this same bill, HB56-- it's already been in South Carolina passed-- expect to see it in many other Republican-controlled legislatures.
预计会看到同样的法案 HB56——它已经在南卡罗来纳州获得通过——预计会在许多其他共和党控制的立法机构中看到它。
Last week, Alabama's law made a national debut of sorts.
上周，阿拉巴马州的法律在全国首次亮相。
Kris Kobach endorsed Mitt Romney.
克里斯·科巴赫支持米特·罗姆尼。
And the two spent time traveling South Carolina together, talking to voters about their new third way to reform immigration.
两人一起前往南卡罗来纳州，与选民谈论他们改革移民的第三种新方法。
Then this week, Romney introduced the idea during a Republican debate.
本周，罗姆尼在共和党辩论中提出了这个想法。
Well, the answer is self-deportation, which is people decide that they could do better by going home, because they can't find work here, because they don't have legal documentation to allow them to work here.
答案是自我驱逐，即人们决定回家可以做得更好，因为他们在这里找不到工作，因为他们没有允许他们在这里工作的法律文件。
Isn't that we have now?
我们现在不就是这样吗？
If somebody doesn't feel they have the opportunity in America, they can go back anytime they want to.
如果有人觉得他们在美国没有机会，他们可以随时回去。
Yes, we'd have a card that indicates who's here legally.
是的，我们会有一张卡片来表明谁是合法的。
And if people--
如果人们——
You can hear the audience laughing a little.
你可以听到观众的笑声。
And Romney struggles a bit to explain what he means.
罗姆尼有点难以解释他的意思。
It sounds preposterous.
听起来很荒谬。
Why would anyone leave if they didn't have to?
如果没有必要，为什么有人会离开？
Within days, Newt Gingrich was slapping Romney around on the issue.
几天之内，纽特·金里奇就在这个问题上对罗姆尼进行了严厉批评。
Quote, "For Romney to believe that somebody's grandmother is going to be so cut off that she's going to self-deport, I mean, this is an Obama-level fantasy."
引用：“对于罗姆尼来说，相信某人的祖母会被切断，以至于她会自我驱逐出境，我的意思是，这是奥巴马级别的幻想。”
By Thursday's debate, Romney had his pitch down better, and Gingrich didn't come off as well.
到周四的辩论时，罗姆尼的立场有所改善，而金里奇的表现也不佳。
Even Rick Santorum chimed in.
甚至 Rick Santorum 也插话了。
He was for self-deportation, too.
他也要求自我驱逐。
By the time the Republicans decide their nominee, voters will come to know the meaning of this word, and it will no doubt be part of the electoral shorthand.
当共和党决定提名人时，选民将逐渐了解这个词的含义，并且它无疑将成为选举速记的一部分。
Repeal health care.
废除医疗保健。
Cut taxes.
减税。
Reform Medicare.
改革医疗保险。
Self-deportation.
自我驱逐出境。
Jack Hitt.
杰克·希特.
He's got a new book coming out this spring, called Bunch of Amateurs.
他今年春天出版了一本新书，名为《业余爱好者》。
The Alabama legislature is going back into session February 7.
阿拉巴马州立法机构将于 2 月 7 日重新开会。
They're planning to take up possible changes to the immigration law.
他们正计划对移民法进行可能的修改。
Meanwhile, parts of the law have been suspended by the courts.
与此同时，该法律的部分内容已被法院暂停执行。
Some provisions will come before the United States Supreme Court this term when it considers the constitutionality of the Arizona immigration law.
当美国最高法院考虑亚利桑那州移民法的合宪性时，一些条款将在本学期提交给美国最高法院。
Coming up, a bird that faces deportation.
即将出现的是一只面临驱逐的鸟。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show, "Reap What You Sow." We have arrived at Act Two of our show.
今天的节目是“种瓜得瓜，种豆得豆”。我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, Ain't Nobody Here But Us Chickens.
第二幕，这里除了我们鸡之外没有人。
This next story is a story of friendship.
接下来的故事是一个关于友谊的故事。
You know, it is heartwarming when people come together, not knowing where things are going to lead, making choices that, as you'll hear, have consequences.
你知道，当人们聚集在一起，不知道事情会走向何方，做出的选择，正如你会听到的，会产生后果时，这是令人心旷神怡的。
Comedian Danny Lobell told this story in front of a live audience.
喜剧演员丹尼·洛贝尔在现场观众面前讲述了这个故事。
About a year ago, in the summer, this took place.
大约一年前的夏天，这件事发生了。
I'd been looking out my kitchen window for five years.
五年来我一直看着厨房的窗外。
And my backyard, well, it looked like a prison yard, really.
我的后院，嗯，看起来真的像个监狱院子。
It had a weight set that was rusted and smashed bottles and garbage everywhere and random barbed wire.
它有一个生锈的配重装置，瓶子被砸碎，到处都是垃圾，还有随意的铁丝网。
I don't even know where the barbed wire came from.
我什至不知道铁丝网是从哪里来的。
It was just there to make the yard look worse, I think.
我想，它只是为了让院子看起来更糟。
And one morning, I woke up.
一天早上，我醒来了。
And I said, that's it.
我说，就是这样。
That's enough.
这就够了。
I can't take this anymore.
我再也受不了了。
I'm going to make this yard look good.
我要把这个院子打理得漂漂亮亮的。
And I go outside.
我走到外面。
And I take a garbage bag.
我还拿了一个垃圾袋。
And I start cleaning up the backyard, like 6:00 in the morning.
我开始清理后院，大概是早上 6:00。
My neighbors that I share a floor with are Ecuadorian gangsters.
与我同住一层的邻居是厄瓜多尔歹徒。
There's a bunch of them.
他们有很多。
And they all have the same nickname, Blanco.
他们都有一个相同的绰号：布兰科。
So we basically call them, like, Small Blanco, Medium-sized Blanco, and then there's the Main Blanco.
所以我们基本上称它们为“小布兰科”、“中型布兰科”，然后是“主布兰科”。
And the Main Blanco, around 11 o'clock, he opens his window.
在 Main Blanco，大约 11 点，他打开窗户。
And he says, what are you doing?
他说，你在做什么？
I said, I'm cleaning up this yard.
我说，我正在清理这个院子。
And he said, all right, I'll join you.
他说，好吧，我会加入你。
That's, like, the first time I've ever spoken to the Main Blanco in, like, five years of living there.
这是我在那里住了五年以来第一次与 Main Blanco 交谈。
And he comes out.
然后他就出来了。
And we start cleaning this backyard together.
我们开始一起打扫这个后院。
And we're talking.
我们正在谈论。
And he tells me he'd been in juvy hall when he was younger.
他告诉我他年轻时曾在少年监狱待过。
He may or may not have stabbed somebody.
他可能刺伤了某人，也可能没有刺伤某人。
We don't know.
我们不知道。
But he learned how to draw there.
但他在那里学会了如何画画。
And he was reformed by learning artwork.
他通过学习艺术得到了改造。
And he came out.
然后他就出来了。
And now he does tattoos out of his kitchen.
现在他在厨房里做纹身。
So that explained why a lot of people were coming in and then leaving with bloody shirt arms and stuff.
这就解释了为什么很多人进来然后带着血淋淋的衬衫手臂之类的东西离开。
Questions were being answered, you know?
问题正在得到解答，你知道吗？
And we're cleaning this backyard together.
我们正在一起打扫这个后院。
And as the day went on, some of the neighbors upstairs were like, what are you doing?
随着时间的推移，楼上的一些邻居问，你在做什么？
We're like, we're cleaning the yard.
我们就像，我们正在打扫院子。
It was like the Berlin Wall coming down.
就像柏林墙倒塌一样。
They're like, I'm coming to help.
他们说，我来帮忙。
Let's do this.
让我们这样做吧。
I guess everybody was as depressed as I was from looking at this backyard.
看到这个后院，我想每个人都和我一样沮丧。
And so the whole building comes together.
整个建筑就这样整合在一起了。
And we're cleaning this backyard together.
我们正在一起打扫这个后院。
And we did it.
我们做到了。
We got rid of the rusty bench press.
我们摆脱了生锈的卧推机。
That was it.
就是这样。
It was like liberation.
这就像解放一样。
And Blanco and I, we start talking and hanging out.
布兰科和我开始聊天、闲逛。
And we had some beers afterwards.
之后我们喝了一些啤酒。
And I come up with this idea.
我想出了这个主意。
I said, you know what would really be great to make this yard complete?
我说，你知道让这个院子完整起来到底有什么好处吗？
Chickens.
鸡。
We should get some chickens.
我们应该养一些鸡。
I said, I'm done paying for eggs.
我说，我已经付完鸡蛋钱了。
That's a major expense in my life, eggs.
这是我生活中的一大开支，鸡蛋。
And he was like, yeah, man.
他就像，是的，伙计。
I'm in!
我进来了！
Let's get some chickens!
我们去养几只鸡吧！
Let's do this!
让我们这样做吧！
So he goes, where are we going to get chickens?
于是他问，我们去哪里买鸡呢？
And I said, live poultry shop.
我说，活禽店。
I see them all over.
我看到他们全部了。
We could go to a live poultry shop.
我们可以去活家禽店。
We'll get some chickens.
我们会买一些鸡。
So we venture out to find a live poultry shop, Blanco and I.
于是我和布兰科冒险出去寻找一家活家禽店。
And we find one.
我们找到了一个。
And it's run by an Arabic dude.
它是由一个阿拉伯人经营的。
And we go in, and we go, hi.
我们进去，然后走，嗨。
Yeah, we'd like to get some chickens.
是的，我们想养一些鸡。
And we'd like to take 'em to go, alive.
我们想带他们活着离开。
[LAUGHTER] Danny Lobell And the guy goes, my friend, we don't sell live chickens.
[笑声] 丹尼·洛贝尔 那家伙说，我的朋友，我们不卖活鸡。
It's not legal.
这是不合法的。
We only weigh and fillet.
我们只称重和切片。
And I'm like, well, just weigh and don't fillet.
我想，好吧，只称重而不是切片。
And he's like, no, fillet and weigh.
他说，不，切片并称重。
Only fillet and weigh.
仅切片并称重。
And I'm going, weigh and don't fillet.
我要去，称重，不去鱼片。
And Blanco's just like, [BLEEP] this.
布兰科就像，[哔]这个。
We're going to steal a chicken.
我们要去偷一只鸡。
[LAUGHTER] Danny Lobell He's like, you distract him.
[笑声]丹尼·洛贝尔 他说，你分散了他的注意力。
I'm going to grab a chicken.
我要去抓一只鸡。
So I go over to the dude, and I start talking to him.
所以我走到那个家伙身边，开始和他说话。
I think it's going to be quick.
我想这会很快。
But there's some Benny Hill chase going on out of the corner of my eye with Blanco and the chickens.
但我的眼角余光中却隐隐约约地浮现出班尼·希尔与布兰科和鸡们的追逐。
So I start talking to him.
所以我开始和他说话。
I'm like, what's the most chicken you've ever sold at one time?
我想，你曾经卖过最多的一只鸡是多少？
He's like, I don't know.
他就像，我不知道。
Why would-- what do you want?
为什么会——你想要什么？
You ever seen the movie Chicken Run?
你看过电影《小鸡快跑》吗？
What?
什么？
And then he sees what's going on.
然后他就明白发生了什么事。
He goes, what's your friend doing?
他走了，你的朋友在做什么？
And then Blanco hears, so he goes, oh [BLEEP].
然后布兰科听到了，所以他走了，哦[BLEEP]。
Let's go!
我们走吧！
And he just runs out.
他就跑出去了。
And he's like, come on, we got--
他说，来吧，我们有——
I don't think we even needed to run out, but we did.
我认为我们甚至不需要用完，但我们做到了。
And we just ran out with no chicken.
我们就跑出去了，没有鸡肉。
We weren't even really caught.
我们甚至没有真正被抓住。
But we start running out.
但我们开始用完了。
And there was this Spanish dude who had been standing by and listened to the whole thing.
有一个西班牙人一直站在一旁听着整个事情。
And he calls Blanco over.
他把布兰科叫了过来。
He's like, yo, primo.
他就像，哟，primo。
And he says something in Spanish to Blanco, something like, [SPEAKING SPANISH].
他用西班牙语对布兰科说了一些话，比如，[说西班牙语]。
And basically, what the conversation translated to was, I know a place where they do under-the-counter live chicken sales.
基本上，谈话的意思是，我知道他们在柜台下销售活鸡。
And I'll tell you where it is.
我会告诉你它在哪里。
So he tells us about this place.
所以他告诉我们这个地方。
And we go there.
我们就去那里。
And it's run by Spanish people.
它是由西班牙人经营的。
And Blanco goes in, works his magic, all smooth, [SPEAKING SPANISH].
布兰科进去，发挥他的魔力，一切顺利，[说西班牙语]。
And the guy's like, si, si, si!
那家伙就像，si，si，si！
Come, come!
来吧，来吧！
Takes us in the back.
把我们带到后面。
And he grabs a chicken, gives it to us.
他抓起一只鸡，递给我们。
And then he comes out, and he goes, you guys want a rooster, too?
然后他出来了，他走了，你们也想要一只公鸡吗？
And he brings out this beautiful rooster.
他带出了这只美丽的公鸡。
And Blanco's like, oh, that's an ill rooster, damn!
布兰科就像，哦，那是一只生病的公鸡，该死！
And it was.
确实如此。
It was a beaut-- I don't know if you've ever seen a rooster up close.
真是美极了——我不知道你是否曾近距离看过公鸡。
They are beautiful animals.
它们是美丽的动物。
So we start talking.
所以我们开始说话。
We're like, yeah, I guess we need a rooster to make these eggs happen.
我们就像，是的，我想我们需要一只公鸡来让这些蛋发生。
So we should take a rooster.
所以我们应该养一只公鸡。
Which is actually completely wrong, we found out, because the roosters really fertilize the eggs.
我们发现，这实际上是完全错误的，因为公鸡确实使鸡蛋受精。
And then they're completely inedible.
然后它们就完全不能吃了。
But we didn't know that.
但我们不知道这一点。
So we're like, yeah, we'll take that rooster.
所以我们想，是的，我们会带走那只公鸡。
Let's go.
我们走吧。
And so we got this chicken and this rooster.
所以我们得到了这只鸡和这只公鸡。
And we're walking down Grand Street.
我们正沿着格兰德街行走。
And we feel like $1 million.
我们感觉像是 100 万美元。
We're like, we are going to change our lives.
我们就像，我们要改变我们的生活。
We're going to be eating fresh eggs.
我们要吃新鲜的鸡蛋。
We get fancy.
我们很喜欢。
We start talking.
我们开始说话。
We're like, yo, man.
我们就像，哟，伙计。
These hipsters are gonna be coming, knocking on our door.
这些时髦人士会来敲我们的门。
Organic eggs.
有机鸡蛋。
We're gonna make a lot of money off this [BLEEP].
我们会靠这个[BLEEP]赚很多钱。
So we're walking with these chickens.
所以我们和这些鸡一起散步。
And we bring them home.
我们把它们带回家。
What we didn't realize is we bought an old chicken, which was postmenopausal and had stopped laying eggs.
我们没有意识到的是，我们买了一只老鸡，它已经绝经，已经停止产蛋了。
It was at that point.
就在那时。
And the rooster, from being in a dark, enclosed space for so long, had no concept of time according to the sun.
而公鸡由于在黑暗、封闭的空间里呆了这么久，已经没有了太阳的时间概念。
It had a broken internal clock.
它的内部时钟坏了。
So this rooster's, like, going off at all times, 5:00 in the morning, 3:00 in the afternoon, 8:00 in the eve-- just times you're like, really?
所以这只公鸡总是在早上 5:00、下午 3:00、晚上 8:00 出发——正是您喜欢的时间，真的吗？
Now, you're going off?
现在，你要走了吗？
But we loved this chicken and the rooster.
但我们喜欢这只鸡和公鸡。
We named the rooster Juanito.
我们给这只公鸡取名为华尼托。
And the chicken was Dona.
那只鸡是多娜。
And the rooster's real smart.
而且公鸡真的很聪明。
And they start sitting at my window or Blanco's window, depending on who's home when they're hungry, and even tapping with their little, scratchy claws.
他们开始坐在我的窗户或布兰科的窗户上，这取决于他们饿了的时候谁在家，甚至用他们的小爪子敲击。
So we start really falling in love with these chickens.
所以我们开始真正爱上这些鸡。
And Blanco and Juanito start getting pretty close.
布兰科和华尼托开始变得非常亲密。
Juanito's kind of learning his name.
华尼托好像知道了他的名字。
He'll be like, Juanito, Juanito!
他会说，华尼托，华尼托！
And he'd start running up on him.
然后他就会开始追赶他。
And things are good for a while there.
那里的情况暂时还不错。
Little things started to pop up, like on the wireless signal, somebody named their network, like, "Shut Up Rooster." That was one thing I noticed.
小事情开始出现，比如在无线信号上，有人给他们的网络命名，比如“闭嘴公鸡”。这是我注意到的一件事。
And then one day, randomly, on a telephone pole on the block, there was a sign that said, "Honk if you love roosters." But other than that, things were good.
然后有一天，在街区的一根电线杆上，随机地立了一个牌子，上面写着：“如果你喜欢公鸡，就按喇叭。”但除此之外，一切都很好。
Life was good for a little while.
生活有一段时间是美好的。
Until one morning, I got woken up by knocking at my window.
直到有一天早上，我被敲窗声吵醒了。
There was an Irish lady who was, like, seven months pregnant, who lived on the block.
住在这个街区的有一位爱尔兰女士，她怀孕了七个月。
And it was early in the morning.
当时是凌晨。
She starts knocking-- [KNOCKING].
她开始敲门——[敲门]。
And I go, and I open the door.
我走了，打开门。
And she goes, shut your [BLEEP] rooster!
然后她走了，关上你的[BLEEP]公鸡！
And I'm like, actually, it's a joint-owned rooster.
我想，实际上，这是一只共同拥有的公鸡。
But--
但是——
[LAUGHTER] Danny Lobell --go on.
[笑声]丹尼·洛贝尔——继续。
She goes, I'm pregnant!
她走了，我怀孕了！
And that [BLEEP] rooster is waking me up at random hours in the day.
那只[BLEEP]公鸡会在一天中的任意时间叫醒我。
And it's ruining my pregnancy.
它正在毁掉我的怀孕。
You've got to get rid of the [BLEEP] rooster.
你必须除掉[BLEEP]公鸡。
I'm like, all right, look.
我想，好吧，看吧。
I'll talk to the other person whose rooster it is.
我会和那个属于公鸡的人谈谈。
And maybe we could figure this out.
也许我们可以解决这个问题。
And I'm thinking, OK, well, this is obviously a delicate situation.
我在想，好吧，这显然是一个微妙的情况。
She's pregnant.
她怀孕了。
This ought to be OK to talk to Blanco about.
这件事应该可以和布兰科谈谈。
And I go, and he just flips out.
我走了，他就发疯了。
He's like, white people are destroying the neighborhood.
他说，白人正在摧毁这个社区。
They're trying to take my rooster!
他们想夺走我的公鸡！
And they're never getting it!
而他们却永远得不到它！
I'm like, oh, [BLEEP].
我想，哦，[BLEEP]。
This is worse than I thought.
这比我想象的还要糟糕。
And I'm like, look, you talk to her.
我想，看，你和她说话。
I put him on the phone with her.
我让他和她通电话。
And he disappears with my phone for a while.
然后他就带着我的手机消失了一段时间。
And then he just comes back and goes, it's all good.
然后他回来就走了，一切都很好。
We worked it out.
我们解决了。
I'm like, really?
我想，真的吗？
It's worked-- what'd you say?
成功了——你说什么？
He's like, don't worry about it.
他说，别担心。
It's worked out.
已经解决了。
I was like, all right.
我当时想，好吧。
That's good.
那挺好的。
And like a week goes by.
一周过去了。
And then an inspector from the city shows up at our door.
然后一位来自市里的检查员出现在我们家门口。
And Blanco comes over.
布兰科走了过来。
He's like, [BLEEP], we've got to hide the rooster.
他就像，[BLEEP]，我们必须把公鸡藏起来。
It's a crappy old building.
这是一栋破烂的老建筑。
And there are these wooden floorboards in his kitchen.
他的厨房里有这些木地板。
And we lift the floorboards.
我们抬起地板。
And we put the rooster underneath the floorboards.
我们把公鸡放在地板下面。
And the inspector comes in.
检查员进来了。
He's walking around.
他正在四处走动。
It's like that scene from Inglorious Basterds, you know?
这就像《无耻混蛋》中的场景，你知道吗？
There is rooster!
有公鸡！
But he's like, you guys got a rooster in here?
但他说，你们这里有一只公鸡吗？
And we're like, nope.
我们就像，不。
No. He's like, I had some complaints that there's a rooster in this building.
不，他说，我抱怨这栋楼里有一只公鸡。
And we go, no, no, no. I think there's an injured cat on the block that has been making some noises.
我们说，不，不，不。我认为街区里有一只受伤的猫一直在发出一些声音。
But there's no rooster here.
但这里没有公鸡。
And then, just then, the stupid internal clock on Juanito goes off.
然后，就在这时，华尼托身上愚蠢的生物钟响起了。
And he just, [CROWING], from under the floorboard.
他只是从地板下面[啼哭]。
And we're caught red-handed.
我们被当场抓住了。
We're busted.
我们被抓了。
And he's like, yo, you have a week to get that rooster out of here.
他说，哟，你有一周的时间把那只公鸡赶出这里。
Otherwise, you've got a $2,000 fine from the city.
否则，市政府将处以 2,000 美元的罚款。
And then Blanco, I think he just decides he could probably connect with him on a minority level.
然后布兰科，我认为他只是决定他可以在少数群体层面上与他建立联系。
And he's like, yo, man, white people trying to destroy this neighborhood!
他就像，哟，伙计，白人试图摧毁这个社区！
I've had that rooster since I was born!
我从出生起就有那只公鸡了！
Which I don't even think is possible.
我什至认为这是不可能的。
I don't know how long roosters even live, but I'm pretty sure not 30 years.
我不知道公鸡能活多久，但我很确定不会是30岁。
But the guy's like, no, you've got a week.
但那家伙说，不，你还有一周的时间。
At first, he's like, look, we split it $1,000 each on the fine.
起初，他说，看，我们各分 1,000 美元作为罚款。
I'm like, you don't have $1,000.
我想，你没有1000美元。
And I don't have $1,000.
而且我没有1000美元。
He's like, I'll double up on tattoos.
他说，我会加倍纹身。
We're gonna do it.
我们会做的。
I'm like, we're just going to keep getting hit with more and more fines.
我想，我们只会受到越来越多的罚款。
We've got to get rid of this rooster.
我们必须除掉这只公鸡。
He's like, I can't see anything happen to Juanito, man.
他说，我看不出华尼托会出什么事，伙计。
I can't see it happen.
我看不到它发生。
I'm like, look, I'll deal with this.
我想，听着，我会处理这件事。
I'm going to get this done humanely.
我会以人道的方式完成这件事。
Nothing's going to happen.
什么都不会发生。
We'll find a place.
我们会找到一个地方。
So I start calling farms.
所以我开始给农场打电话。
And it's, like, two days till D-day.
距离诺曼底登陆还有两天。
We have to get rid of the rooster, or we get hit with a fine.
我们必须把公鸡赶走，否则我们就会被罚款。
And I figured I only have one option.
我想我只有一个选择。
And that is a drop-and-run.
这是一种即跑即跑的方式。
And a drop-and-run is exactly what it sounds like.
顾名思义，“丢了就跑”。
It's me going to a farm and dropping the rooster and then running.
我去一个农场，把公鸡扔下来，然后就跑。
And I said, Blanco, you down to do this with me?
我说，布兰科，你愿意和我一起做这件事吗？
I scouted out a good farm.
我发现了一个不错的农场。
We could do this.
我们可以做到这一点。
It's a humane farm.
这是一个人性化的农场。
It's a petting zoo.
这是一个宠物动物园。
They've got a pumpkin patch and kids.
他们有一块南瓜地和孩子们。
And he goes, it's too painful for me, man.
他走了，这对我来说太痛苦了，伙计。
You gotta do it on your own.
你必须自己做。
You gotta to do it.
你必须这么做。
I can't do it.
我做不到。
I can't see Juanito go.
我不能看到华尼托走。
And the day comes for me to do this drop-and-run.
我会做这种即跑即跑的日子到来了。
And I remember Blanco sitting on the stoop, holding Juanito.
我记得布兰科坐在门廊上，抱着华尼托。
And he is crying like I never saw him cry.
他哭得就像我从未见过他哭一样。
He is bawling.
他正在嚎啕大哭。
He's kissing Juanito.
他正在亲吻华尼托。
He's like, my little dude.
他就像，我的小家伙。
I hate to see you go.
我讨厌看到你走。
And I'm like, I gotta take him now.
我想，我现在必须带他走。
The neighborhood perceived them both to be loud and annoying, and wanted them out of there.
邻居们认为他们既吵闹又烦人，希望他们离开那里。
But if you got to know them, they're really pretty good dudes, you know?
但如果你了解他们，就会发现他们真的是很好的人，你知道吗？
And I think it bothered him that there was really just nobody that would stick up for this innocent rooster.
我认为让他感到困扰的是，实际上没有人会支持这只无辜的公鸡。
Thank you very much.
非常感谢。
Danny Lobell.
丹尼·洛贝尔。
He's a comedian and an illustrator in New York City and @dannylobell on Twitter.
他是纽约市的喜剧演员和插画家，在 Twitter 上@dannylobell。
He recorded this for us at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre.
他在正直公民大队剧院为我们录制了这个。
[MUSIC - "NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBOR" BY JIMMY HUGHES]
[音乐 - 吉米·休斯的《邻居，邻居》]
Well, our program was produced today by Jonathan Menjivar and myself with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Sarah Koenig, Lisa Pollak, Brian Reed, Robyn Semien, Alissa Ship, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Jonathan Menjivar 和我本人以及 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Sarah Koenig、Lisa Pollak、Brian Reed、Robyn Semien、Alissa Ship 和 Nancy Updike 共同制作。
Dan Grech was Jack Hitt's producer in Alabama.
丹·格雷奇 (Dan Grech) 是阿拉巴马州杰克·希特 (Jack Hitt) 的制片人。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Seth Lind is our production manager.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的生产经理。
Emily Condon is our office manager.
艾米丽·康登 (Emily Condon) 是我们的办公室经理。
Production help from Matt Kelty, scouting help from Elna Baker, music help from Damien Gray, from Rob Gettes.
马特·凯尔蒂 (Matt Kelty) 提供制作帮助，埃尔娜·贝克 (Elna Baker) 提供星探帮助，达米恩·格雷 (Damien Gray) 提供音乐帮助，罗布·盖蒂斯 (Rob Gettes) 提供音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] We first heard a version of Danny Lobell's chicken story on Kevin Allison's Risk podcast.
[鸣谢] 我们第一次在 Kevin Allison 的 Risk 播客上听到 Danny Lobell 的小鸡故事的一个版本。
The Risk podcast website is risk-show.com.
Risk 播客网站是risk-show.com。
That's risk-show.com Our website is thisamericanlife.org.
那是risk-show.com 我们的网站是thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our show by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia, who came back from his vacation in Colombia with this small package for the staff.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的演出进行了 WBEZ 管理监督，他从哥伦比亚度假回来，为员工带来了这个小包裹。
Drop them a little present, you know?
给他们送点小礼物，你知道吗？
Some snow, a little extra for them.
一些雪，对他们来说是额外的一点。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of this American life.
下周我们将带来更多有关美国生活的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。