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Prologue Ira Glass For 35 years, Scharlette Holdman has worked with defense teams on death penalty cases, including some very high profile cases.
序言 Ira Glass 35 年来，Scharlette Holdman 一直与辩护团队合作处理死刑案件，其中包括一些非常引人注目的案件。
But she hasn't given an interview to the press in decades, ever since an incident where she had a few drinks with a reporter and said some things that she was unhappy to see in print.
但自从她与记者喝了几杯酒并说了一些她不高兴在报纸上看到的话之后，她已经几十年没有接受过媒体采访了。
It was so embarrassing.
太尴尬了。
And I thought, well, I either have to quit drinking or quit doing interviews.
我想，好吧，我要么必须戒酒，要么停止接受采访。
And I wasn't ready to quit drinking yet, so I quit doing interviews.
我还没有准备好戒酒，所以我不再接受采访。
So this interview is a very rare event for me.
所以这次采访对我来说是一次非常难得的活动。
I haven't done any kind of interviews with the media since '85.
自 85 年以来我就没有接受过任何媒体采访。
And you are ending the moratorium, in this one instance, for this story.
在这个例子中，你正在结束这个故事的暂停。
Why?
为什么？
Well, a fluffy, red-combed leghorn deserves his moment in the sun.
嗯，一只毛茸茸的、红冠的来亨鸟值得在阳光下享受片刻。
I mean just the image-- and I'm not talking about any chicken.
我的意思只是图像——我不是在谈论任何鸡。
I'm talking about-- you can just picture it-- this beautiful leghorn, his tail perked up, and that red comb sitting at kind of a rakish angle on his head, and his head kind of cocked to the side, and he looks at you with his little eyes.
我说的是——你可以想象一下——这只美丽的来亨鸡，它的尾巴竖起来，红色的梳子以一种潇洒的角度放在它的头上，它的头有点偏向一边，它用小眼睛看着你。
That's what this story is about.
这就是这个故事的主题。
That is not just what this story is about.
这不仅仅是这个故事的主题。
That is what a lot of today's radio show is about.
这就是今天很多广播节目的主题。
Ever since the early days of our radio show, once a year, during the highest poultry-consumption time of our country, which is of course-- if you think about this for even a moment, you can guess the answer to this-- it's the weeks that begin with Thanksgiving and go through Christmas and New Year's.
从我们广播节目的早期开始，每年一次，在我国家禽消费最高的时期，当然，如果你稍微思考一下，你就可以猜到答案，这是从感恩节开始，一直到圣诞节和新年的几周。
During that time, it's a tradition here.
在那段时间，这是这里的一个传统。
We devote an entire hour of our program to stories of chickens, turkeys, ducks, foul of all kind.
我们用整整一个小时的时间来讲述鸡、火鸡、鸭子以及各种臭虫的故事。
And in homage to Chicago's poetry slams, which have spread across the country but were created at the Green Mill Bar on the North Side by poet Marc Smith, we named these programs "Poultry Slams."
为了向芝加哥的诗歌大满贯致敬，这些大满贯活动由诗人马克·史密斯在北区的格林磨坊酒吧创作，现已传播到全国，我们将这些节目命名为“家禽大满贯”。
But I just want to be clear before we even begin.
但我只想在我们开始之前说清楚。
We're using the word "slam" with no malice toward any bird of any kind at all.
我们使用“猛击”这个词，对任何种类的鸟类都没有恶意。
No birds were hurt, no birds were slaughtered, no birds were slammed in the making of today's program.
在今天的节目制作过程中，没有一只鸟受到伤害，没有一只鸟被屠杀，没有一只鸟被猛烈撞击。
And we have incredible stories today, incredible enough that at least one woman has ended a quarter-century moratorium on talking to the press to be here with me.
今天我们有令人难以置信的故事，令人难以置信的是，至少有一位女性结束了四分之一个世纪以来暂停与媒体交谈的禁令，来到这里和我在一起。
And you should too.
你也应该这样做。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life distributed by Public Radio International.
这是来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, "Witness for the Barbecue-tion." So Scharlette Holdman didn't just get the idea of calling a chicken as a witness in a murder case out of the blue.
第一幕，“烧烤的证人”。因此，莎莉特·霍尔德曼并不是突然想到传唤一只鸡作为谋杀案的证人。
She was working on this case-- and we're going to call this guy Harry-- and there was no question that the guy had killed somebody.
她正在调查这个案子——我们称这个人为哈利——毫无疑问，这个人杀了人。
This wasn't about whether he'd done it.
这不是他是否做到了的问题。
It was just about what sentence he would get.
这只是关于他会得到什么判决。
He had sat on death row at San Quentin for 10 years.
他在圣昆廷监狱的死囚牢房里坐了十年。
But Scharlette says he was schizophrenic with an IQ of 58 and just out of touch with reality.
但沙莱特表示，他患有精神分裂症，智商为 58，而且与现实脱节。
And one of the things he did-- he wrote messages and symbols on little pieces of toilet paper and rolled them up in a ball.
他所做的一件事是——他在小片卫生纸上写下信息和符号，然后将它们卷成一个球。
And he'd done this for years on death row-- rolled the little secret messages up in a ball and then rolled them in feces, his own feces, and then into little, tiny, bead-sized balls and put those into the braids in his hair.
他在死囚牢房里已经这么做了很多年了——把这些小小的秘密信息卷成一个球，然后把它们卷进粪便，他自己的粪便，然后卷成小珠子大小的球，然后把它们编进他头发的辫子里。
Oh my.
天哪。
Scharlette Holdman So that they dangled around his forehead.
沙莱特·霍尔德曼（Scharlette Holdman），这样它们就挂在他的额头上。
And the things he was putting in his hair-- from his point of view, were they communicating some information, the little messages?
而他放在头发上的东西——从他的角度来看，它们是否在传达一些信息，一些小信息？
Exactly.
确切地。
But he couldn't tell me what the messages were because they were secret.
但他无法告诉我这些信息是什么，因为它们是秘密的。
When I would talk to him about his mother, he would tell me she lived in a Coca-Cola can.
当我和他谈论他的母亲时，他会告诉我她住在可口可乐罐里。
It's against the law to execute somebody who is so crazy he doesn't understand why he's being executed.
处决一个疯狂到不明白自己为何被处决的人是违法的。
And Scharlette said that was true for this guy.
沙莱特说这对这个人来说确实如此。
When I would say, do you know what's going to happen on the 12th of June, he was kind of befuddled and, with pressure, he would finally say, well yeah, he thought he was going to be reupholstered.
当我说，你知道 6 月 12 日会发生什么时，他有点困惑，在压力下，他最终会说，嗯，是的，他以为他会被重新装修。
The state of California did not agree with Scharlette about this guy.
加利福尼亚州不同意沙莱特关于这个人的看法。
They wanted to execute him in 30 days.
他们想在30天内处决他。
Scharlette's team was making a last-ditch appeal to stay this execution.
沙莱特的团队正在做出最后的呼吁，要求暂缓执行死刑。
Meanwhile, the state was gathering its evidence.
与此同时，该州正在收集证据。
San Quentin sent in a prison psychiatrist to determine-- was he competent to be executed?
圣昆廷派了一名监狱精神病学家来确定——他是否有能力被处决？
Did he know he was going to be executed?
他知道自己将被处决吗？
And did he know why he was going to be executed?
他知道自己为什么要被处决吗？
So the psychiatrist goes and interviews Harry.
于是精神科医生前去采访哈利。
And then this psychiatrist testified in court that not only was Harry aware that he was going to be executed, she was so certain of this because she had played Tic-tac-toe with him and Harry had beat her.
然后这位精神病医生在法庭上作证说，哈利不仅知道自己将被处决，而且她也如此确信这一点，因为她和他玩过井字棋，而哈利打败了她。
Well, it was so absurd and so outside of any normal experience in a courtroom.
嗯，这太荒谬了，超出了法庭上的任何正常体验。
And this is after 30 years of being in death penalty cases in the South, around the world, and-- I really couldn't believe she had said it.
这是在南方和世界各地处理死刑案件 30 年后的事了——我真的不敢相信她会说出这样的话。
But at the same time, the only image that came to me-- I'm from the South, obviously.
但与此同时，我脑海中浮现出的唯一印象是——显然，我来自南方。
And growing up, we always went to the Mid-South Fair.
从小到大，我们总是去中南博览会。
And they had a chicken that played Tic-tac-toe that absolutely mesmerized me.
他们有一只会玩井字棋的鸡，这让我着迷。
And it was pretty clear to me-- OK, we've got to find a chicken who can play Tic-tac-toe.
我很清楚——好吧，我们必须找到一只会玩井字棋的鸡。
Scharlette thought-- and this is not a joke.
莎莉特心想——这不是玩笑。
It's not an exaggeration.
这并不夸张。
She thought that a chicken like that could save this man's life.
她认为这样的鸡可以救这个人的命。
Jurors, after all, tend to believe the state and its witnesses.
毕竟，陪审员倾向于相信国家及其证人。
And a chicken like that could totally undermine the psychiatrist's testimony by proving that playing Tic-tac-toe doesn't mean that you understand things like why you're being executed.
像这样的鸡可以完全破坏精神病学家的证词，因为它证明玩井字游戏并不意味着你了解诸如为什么要被处决之类的事情。
I just knew a chicken would work.
我只知道一只鸡会起作用。
It's a sad state.
这是一种悲伤的状态。
But I think a chicken has more credibility than the defense team did.
但我认为鸡比辩护队更有可信度。
And I think it would have brought the jury over to seeing us as people rather than as these obstructionists who were interfering with an execution.
我认为这会让陪审团将我们视为普通人，而不是这些干扰执行的阻挠者。
And who can doubt a chicken?
谁能怀疑鸡呢？
You can't.
你不能。
Chickens aren't going to lie.
鸡是不会说谎的。
Chickens have integrity.
鸡有诚信。
I had this image of the psychiatrist being on the stand.
我脑海中浮现出精神科医生站在证人席上的画面。
And I would quietly enter through the wood doors as they opened with this beautiful leghorn under my arm, right, and a comb at a rakish angle.
当木门打开时，我会悄悄地走进来，右臂下夹着这个美丽的来亨鸡，还有一把倾斜角度的梳子。
And as I walked into the courtroom, not saying a word, and quietly took a seat on the front row, the psychiatrist-- who we knew, because we'd investigated her background-- was from New York City, would see a person with a chicken and think, why is that-- oh my god, no. And that psychiatrist would slowly realize that she was going to have to play Tic-tac-toe with a chicken.
当我走进法庭，一言不发，静静地坐在前排时，那位精神科医生——我们认识她，因为我们调查过她的背景——来自纽约市，她会看到一个拿着鸡的人，然后想，为什么会这样——天哪，不。那位精神科医生会慢慢意识到她将不得不和一只鸡玩井字游戏。
So you're trying to psych out-- you were trying to get inside the psychiatrist's head and--
所以你试图摆脱心理困扰--你试图进入精神科医生的头脑并且--
Exactly.
正是如此。
Exactly.
确切地。
Ira Glass --And make the psychiatrist unravel even before you pull your stunt.
艾拉·格拉斯——甚至在你施展绝技之前就让精神科医生解开谜团。
The jury's eyes, as awareness overcame her.
陪审团的目光，意识征服了她。
So it wouldn't work with a frazzled chicken.
所以它不适用于一只疲惫不堪的鸡。
I didn't want a splotchy, beat-up, tired, exhausted chicken.
我不想要一只有斑点、疲惫不堪、疲惫不堪的鸡。
I wanted a chicken that could capture the audience's attention, in this case the audience was the jury.
我想要一只能够吸引观众注意力的鸡，在这种情况下，观众就是评审团。
Right.
正确的。
You'd need a chicken like in a cartoon.
你需要一只像卡通片中那样的鸡。
Look, I had to have a chicken that could take on a psychiatrist.
听着，我必须有一只可以对抗精神科医生的鸡。
It had to be a stand-up chicken.
它必须是一只站立的鸡。
Noted.
著名的。
Scharlette Holdman So we began to hunt for this stand-up chicken.
Scharlette Holdman 于是我们开始寻找这只站立的鸡。
Well, this task fell to the legal interns.
好吧，这个任务就落到了法律实习生身上。
The man was scheduled to die, at that point, in less than two weeks.
届时，该男子将在不到两周的时间内死亡。
And they needed a chicken.
他们需要一只鸡。
And they searched the places that you find Tic-tac-toe-playing chickens, namely county fairs, carnivals.
他们搜查了那些可以找到玩井字游戏的小鸡的地方，即县集市、嘉年华。
And really, within hours, they found a Tic-tac-toe-playing goose in Montana.
事实上，几个小时之内，他们就在蒙大拿州发现了一只正在玩井字游戏的鹅。
But, of course, Scharlette says, that was totally unacceptable.
但是，当然，沙莱特说，这是完全不可接受的。
Geese are nasty.
鹅很讨厌。
They bite you.
他们咬你。
I didn't want a goose running around the courtroom chasing someone.
我不想让鹅在法庭上跑来跑去追人。
Next was a guy at a roadside stand in Wyoming who did have a chicken, and it did play Tic-tac-toe, but he said that flying or driving it to California for the trial would probably upset it so much that he could not guarantee that it would win the game of Tic-tac-toe, so he was out.
接下来是怀俄明州路边摊上的一个人，他确实养了一只鸡，它也玩井字游戏，但他说，将它飞到或驾驶到加利福尼亚州进行试验可能会让它感到非常不安，以至于他无法保证它会赢得井字游戏，所以他被淘汰了。
Finally, they found a fellow in Arkansas who trains chickens to play Tic-tac-toe.
最后，他们在阿肯色州找到了一个训练鸡玩井字游戏的人。
And he had a whole list of chickens that he had trained around the country.
他有一份他在全国各地训练过的鸡的完整清单。
And he sent the legal team to one of those birds in San Francisco.
他派法律团队去找旧金山的其中一只鸟。
That turned out to be a dead end.
结果发现这是一个死胡同。
San Francisco had actually passed an ordinance banning the playing of Tic-tac-toe by chickens as animal cruelty.
旧金山实际上已经通过了一项法令，禁止鸡玩井字棋，视为虐待动物。
Fortunately, another chicken on the list was not far from there-- at the boardwalk at Santa Cruz.
幸运的是，名单上的另一只鸡就在离那里不远的地方——在圣克鲁斯的木板路上。
They had their chicken.
他们吃了鸡。
So the next step was to convince the court to let us bring the chicken to court as a witness, as demonstrative evidence, to introduce the chicken and let the chicken play Tic-tac-toe.
所以下一步就是说服法庭让我们把鸡带到法庭上作为证人，作为证明证据，介绍鸡，让鸡玩井字游戏。
Now of course, I wanted the chicken to play Tic-tac-toe with the psychiatrist.
当然，现在我想让鸡和精神科医生玩井字游戏。
But I realized--
但我意识到——
[LAUGHTER] Scharlette Holdman --yeah-- that most likely, no one was going to let us get away with that.
[笑声] Scharlette Holdman——是的——很可能，没有人会让我们逃脱惩罚。
But I did think that any of us-- we have a healthy group of interns.
但我确实认为我们中的任何一个人——我们都有一群健康的实习生。
They know how to play Tic-tac-toe so that we could demonstrate to the jury that playing Tic-tac-toe did not mean that you were aware of the consequences of your actions.
他们知道如何玩井字游戏，这样我们就可以向陪审团证明，玩井字游戏并不意味着您知道自己行为的后果。
Why wouldn't you be allowed to make the psychiatrist play Tic-tac-toe with the chicken?
为什么不允许你让精神科医生和鸡玩井字游戏？
I understand why the psychiatrist would not want to do it.
我理解为什么精神科医生不愿意这样做。
But from a legal point of view, what line does that cross?
但从法律的角度来看，这跨越了什么界限呢？
Well, evidently-- I agree with you-- but the court felt-- it never addressed the issue of having to play the psychiatrist.
嗯，显然——我同意你的观点——但法院认为——它从未解决必须扮演精神病医生的问题。
But the court felt that bringing the chicken into the courtroom to play Tic-tac-toe would degrade the dignity of the court.
但法院认为，将鸡带入法庭玩井字游戏会损害法庭的尊严。
I thought that the dignity of the court was degraded by executing a mentally retarded, mentally ill person.
我认为处决一个智障、精神病患者是有辱法庭尊严的。
So the court denied our motion and said we could not bring the chicken into the courtroom for demonstrative evidence.
于是法院驳回了我们的动议，并表示不能将鸡带入法庭作为证据。
It ruled against us.
它对我们不利。
They weren't even allowed to show the jury a video of the chicken playing Tic-tac-toe.
他们甚至不被允许向陪审团展示小鸡玩井字棋的视频。
And without a chicken on the stand, without a video of a chicken, the jury found the psychiatrist credible and ruled to execute Scharlette's client.
法庭上没有鸡，也没有鸡的视频，陪审团认为精神科医生是可信的，并裁定处决沙莱特的当事人。
His life was saved later, on appeal.
后来，他在上诉中获救。
And in the years since then, in 2002, the Supreme Court ruled that a person at his level of mental retardation cannot be executed.
此后的几年里，2002年，最高法院裁定，对于像他这样的智力迟钝程度的人不能被处决。
For Scharlette, though, this story stays with her, this story of the chicken.
然而，对于莎莉特来说，这个关于鸡的故事一直伴随着她。
Because in decades of doing these capital trials, bringing hundreds of witnesses, it is the greatest courtroom move she ever invented, bringing in the chicken.
因为在几十年的死刑审判中，带来了数百名证人，这是她发明的最伟大的法庭举措，把鸡带进来。
And she never got to try it.
而她从来没有尝试过。
She invented this thing.
她发明了这个东西。
She never got to try it.
她从来没有尝试过。
It was snatched away from her.
它被从她身边夺走了。
Something like that sticks in your craw.
类似的东西粘在你的小腿上。
Well, yeah, because I didn't get to do it.
嗯，是的，因为我没能做到。
But it's also because of the nature and quality of a chicken.
但这也是因为鸡的本性和品质。
When you do this kind of work, when you're down in the worst part-- when you're trying to work for the folks that, literally, the community wants to kill, it can be pretty discouraging.
当你做这种工作时，当你处于最糟糕的境地时——当你试图为那些实际上是社区想要杀害的人工作时，这可能会非常令人沮丧。
But this nice, fluffy leghorn brightens up your day and you forge on.
但这只漂亮、蓬松的来亨鸡会照亮你的一天，让你继续前进。
And all of this, all of this is not to make light of death as punishment, of people with mental retardation, of people who are mentally ill, or of chickens.
而这一切，这一切，并不是轻视死亡作为惩罚，对智障人、对精神病人、对鸡来说。
Thank you for saying that.
谢谢你这么说。
Scharlette Holdman No, it's really not.
莎莉特·霍尔德曼 不，事实并非如此。
I actually am a member of PETA.
我实际上是善待动物组织（PETA）的成员。
Act Two, "Murder Most Foul." OK, here's a crazy fact.
第二幕，“最卑鄙的谋杀”。好吧，这是一个疯狂的事实。
The number of wild turkeys in America has grown from-- get this-- 30,000 turkeys at the beginning of the 20th century, to 1.3 million turkeys in the 1970s, to about 7 million turkeys today.
美国野生火鸡的数量已经从 20 世纪初的 30,000 只火鸡增长到 1970 年代的 130 万只火鸡，再到今天的约 700 万只火鸡。
Seven million wild turkeys roaming all over the country in every state but Alaska, turkeys that, if you believe videos you see on YouTube, could possibly do this to you.
七百万只野生火鸡在除阿拉斯加以外的每个州漫游，如果您相信在 YouTube 上看到的视频，这些火鸡可能会对您造成这种情况。
It's pecking the car.
它正在啄车。
It's pissed.
它很生气。
It is attacking the car.
它正在攻击汽车。
It wants in here really bad.
它真的很想在这里。
It's making weird noises.
它发出奇怪的声音。
Oh, [BLEEP] get out of here!
哦，[BLEEP] 离开这里！
Oh my gosh.
天哪。
There are lots of videos like this on the web, of wild turkeys attacking people in residential neighborhoods.
网络上有很多类似的视频，内容是野生火鸡袭击居民区的人们。
And they've been making the local news more lately too.
他们最近也越来越多地成为当地新闻。
You may have seen this footage that's gone around of this reporter in Sacramento who went to verify reports of a rogue turkey and then got attacked herself.
您可能已经看过萨克拉门托这位记者的这段视频，她去核实有关一只流氓火鸡的报道，然后自己遭到了袭击。
But none of these turkeys come even close to one bird, one bird who unleashed a reign of terror on Martha's Vineyard in 2008.
但这些火鸡都无法与一只火鸡相提并论，这只火鸡曾在 2008 年给玛莎葡萄园岛带来了恐怖统治。
Sam Bungey was a reporter on the island when it all went down.
事情发生时，山姆·邦吉 (Sam Bungy) 是岛上的一名记者。
It was Father's Day around noon, and two things were true on Old Ridge Road in the tiny town of Chilmark-- first, it was Tom the Turkey's last day on Earth.
中午时分是父亲节，在奇尔马克小镇的老岭路，有两件事是真实的——首先，这是火鸡汤姆在地球上的最后一天。
Second, he was not going quietly.
其次，他并不是安静地走。
Alissa Keenan runs a business that specializes in rental baby equipment-- cribs, and high chairs, and things like that for families on vacation on Martha's Vineyard.
艾丽莎·基南 (Alissa Keenan) 经营一家专门为玛莎葡萄园岛度假的家庭提供婴儿用品租赁服务的公司，其中包括婴儿床、高脚椅以及类似物品。
And on that Father's Day, she and one of her drivers pulled up at a summer house on the road to make a delivery.
在那个父亲节，她和一名司机在路边的避暑别墅前停下来送货。
They noticed a turkey in the yard but thought nothing of it.
他们注意到院子里有一只火鸡，但没有多想。
Wild turkeys run all over the island.
野生火鸡遍布岛上。
The driver got out and a second later, Alissa heard shouts.
司机下了车，一秒钟后，艾丽莎听到了喊叫声。
And then I heard rocks flying and hitting the side of the van.
然后我听到石块飞溅，击中货车侧面。
And then he came screaming in saying, that crazy turkey's attacking.
然后他尖叫着说，那只疯狂的火鸡正在攻击。
So I got out and I flapped my arms and said, shoo, like you do to the seagulls at the dump and they fly away.
于是我下了车，拍打着双臂说：“嘘，就像你对垃圾场的海鸥做的那样，然后它们就飞走了。”
And the turkey came at me.
火鸡向我袭来。
It was big, nearly up to her waist.
它很大，快到她腰部了。
Alissa told my producer, Bryan Ried, and me that she's seen hundreds of wild turkeys and they always run away when you go near them.
艾丽莎告诉我的制片人布莱恩·里德和我，她见过数百只野生火鸡，当你靠近它们时，它们总是逃跑。
This one kept rushing her.
这个人一直在催促她。
And it was pecking with its face, pecking at me.
它用脸啄着，啄着我。
And then we got back in the van, and it was circling the van.
然后我们回到货车里，它就围着货车转。
So you were besieged in the van, basically.
所以基本上你被围困在货车里。
Yes.
是的。
We were besieged in the van by a turkey.
我们在货车里被一只火鸡围困。
Sheriff's Department Communications.
治安部门通讯。
This line is recording.
此行正在录音。
Hi.
你好。
I'm just calling to let you know there is a turkey here that is attacking us.
我打电话只是想让你知道这里有一只火鸡正在攻击我们。
I'm with my driver and he chased us around the van.
我和司机在一起，他在货车里追着我们。
I've never seen a turkey come after anybody like that.
我从来没有见过火鸡像这样追赶人。
And the people that are coming here have little kids.
来这里的人都有小孩。
I don't know if it has rabies or something.
不知道是不是有狂犬病什么的。
But it's definitely not behaving like any of the turkeys I've ever seen.
但它的行为绝对不像我见过的任何火鸡。
Alissa made the emergency call, she says, not for herself but for the children that would be using this rental gear.
艾丽莎说，她拨打了紧急电话，不是为了她自己，而是为了那些将使用这些租赁设备的孩子们。
At the time, she didn't know that birds can't get rabies.
当时，她不知道鸟类不会感染狂犬病。
She and the driver dropped the baby equipment out the van window and drove away.
她和司机把婴儿用品扔出车窗外，然后开车离开。
A half hour later, officers Matt Gebo and Jeff Day rolled up in separate patrol cars.
半小时后，警官马特·格博和杰夫·戴分别乘坐巡逻车。
It was a strange scene-- a bunch of beach chairs and strollers and umbrellas lying in a pile.
这是一个奇怪的场景——一堆沙滩椅、婴儿车和雨伞堆在一起。
When Gebo stepped out of his cruiser, the turkey charged him.
当格博走下他的巡洋舰时，火鸡向他发起了攻击。
Both officers filed multi-page reports about what happened next.
两名警官就接下来发生的事情提交了多页报告。
"Due to the wild turkey's aggression," Gebo wrote, "I jumped up onto the cruiser's push bumper for protection."
“由于野火鸡的攻击性，”格博写道，“我跳到巡洋舰的推保险杠上寻求保护。”
From the bumper, Gebo watched as the turkey pursued his partner.
格博从保险杠上看着火鸡追赶他的伙伴。
It was fast.
速度很快。
It got within a few feet and jumped the policemen.
它飞到了几英尺内，把警察吓了一跳。
casting about for cover, Officer Day, who is about 6 feet tall and in good shape, ran for the baby equipment.
身高约 6 英尺、身体状况良好的戴警官四处寻找掩护，跑去寻找婴儿装备。
"The turkey chased me around a pile of chairs three times trying to peck me with its beak," Day wrote in his report.
“火鸡绕着一堆椅子追了我三遍，试图用喙啄我，”戴在报告中写道。
"I then kicked it with my boot.
“然后我用靴子踢了它。
It backed up and then charged me again." Day unclipped the holster of his service weapon, a .40 caliber semi-automatic Glock pistol, and leveled his gun at the oncoming turkey.
它后退了，然后又向我冲来。”戴打开了他的军用武器——一把 0.40 口径半自动格洛克手枪——的枪套，将枪对准了迎面而来的火鸡。
He backed up one more time around the baby equipment and then squeezed off two bullets.
他绕着婴儿用品又退了一步，然后挤掉了两颗子弹。
The turkey was wounded, but still it kept running.
火鸡受伤了，但它仍然继续奔跑。
"I pursued the bird on foot," Day wrote.
“我徒步追赶这只鸟，”戴写道。
And then he fired twice more.
然后他又开了两枪。
We were outside.
我们在外面。
I was working in the yard and Jonathan was in the garage, and we heard gunshots.
我在院子里干活，乔纳森在车库里，我们听到了枪声。
This is Linda, who lives next door with her husband, Jonathan.
这是琳达，她和她的丈夫乔纳森住在隔壁。
They didn't want us to use their last name, which makes sense given everything that happened next.
他们不希望我们使用他们的姓氏，考虑到接下来发生的一切，这是有道理的。
Linda and Jonathan knew this turkey, cared a lot for this turkey, actually.
事实上，琳达和乔纳森认识这只火鸡，也非常关心这只火鸡。
It wasn't exactly their pet.
这不完全是他们的宠物。
But he used to hang around in their yard a lot.
但他经常在他们的院子里闲逛。
And they had named him Tom.
他们给他起名叫汤姆。
Instinctively, we just started running over, which was a stupid thing to do.
我们本能地开始跑过去，这是一件愚蠢的事情。
When you hear gunshots, you don't run toward them.
当你听到枪声时，你不会跑向他们。
But we just panicked.
但我们只是惊慌失措。
And we saw them pulling this very bloody turkey out of our woods.
我们看到他们把这只该死的火鸡从我们的树林里拖了出来。
I don't want to go into the details of my interaction with the police officers.
我不想透露我与警察互动的细节。
The long and the short of it is, I tried to get between my wife and the shooters.
总而言之，我试图挡在我妻子和枪手之间。
Jonathan wouldn't tell me much about what happened next.
乔纳森没有告诉我接下来发生的事情。
But in a sworn affidavit, he later said, quote, "I was running as fast as I could through the woods, ducking bushes in a panic and flushed with adrenaline, as two of the gunshots were so close that I could see the muzzle flash." The police say there were a total of four shots fired into the turkey, but Jonathan says it was five.
但在一份宣誓证词中，他后来说，“我以最快的速度跑过树林，惊慌地躲开灌木丛，肾上腺素泛红，因为两声枪声如此之近，我可以看到枪口的闪光。”警方称总共向火鸡开了四枪，但乔纳森说是五枪。
He then saw Officer Day holding the turkey by its neck and laughing, saying, it's done.
然后他看到戴警官掐着火鸡的脖子，笑着说，好了。
According to the police, Jonathan was swearing blue murder.
据警方称，乔纳森当时正在宣誓谋杀。
"What the [BLEEP] are you [BLEEP] doing?" He shouted.
“你[BLEEP]在做什么？”他喊道。
"This is the Chilmark Police and we're taking care of a problem turkey," said Officer Day.
“这是奇尔马克警察局，我们正在处理一只有问题的火鸡，”戴警官说。
Jonathan yelled back, "What are you, an idiot?
乔纳森怒吼道：“你是个白痴吗？
Stop shooting my turkeys, you [BLEEP] idiots." And then he punched Officer Gebo in the face.
别再射我的火鸡了，你们这些[哔]白痴。”然后他打了格博警官的脸。
According to Linda, it was the police who were being rough with her husband, so she ran to the house and called 9-1-1.
据琳达说，是警察对她丈夫粗暴，所以她跑到家里拨打了 9-1-1。
9-1-1.
9-1-1。
This is the Sheriff's Department.
这是治安官部门。
This line is recorded, what is your emergency?
该线路已被记录，您有什么紧急情况吗？
Yes, I need the state police right away.
是的，我立即需要州警察。
Because the local police are up here shooting our turkeys and they've got my husband tied up.
因为当地警察在这里射杀我们的火鸡，他们把我丈夫绑了起来。
Yes, they have him handcuffed because he was trying to get them to stop shooting our turkeys.
是的，他们给他戴上手铐，因为他试图让他们停止射杀我们的火鸡。
They killed the turkeys.
他们杀了火鸡。
They're over here killing turkeys-- the local police.
他们在这里杀火鸡——当地警察。
I need the state police right away.
我马上需要州警察。
The state troopers came, but it was too late.
州警赶到了，但为时已晚。
The Chilmark Police cuffed Jonathan, read him his rights, and took him to jail.
奇尔马克警察给乔纳森戴上手铐，宣读了他的权利，然后将他送进了监狱。
He was charged with resisting arrest and two counts of assault and battery of a police officer.
他被指控拒捕以及两项袭击和殴打警察的罪名。
Tom the Turkey, riddled with bullets, was bundled into a plastic bag as evidence and stowed in the police department freezer.
浑身是弹孔的火鸡汤姆被装进塑料袋作为证据，存放在警察局的冰柜里。
Just to back up here, before he grew up to attack delivery people and police, Tom was small and cute and fuzzy and an orphan.
回到这里，在汤姆长大并攻击送货员和警察之前，汤姆很小，很可爱，毛茸茸的，还是个孤儿。
That's the Tom that Jonathan and Linda first met back in the spring of 2006.
这就是乔纳森和琳达在 2006 年春天第一次见到的汤姆。
Their house is surrounded by lots of fields and woods with a pond.
他们的房子周围有很多田野和树林，还有一个池塘。
And one day they were watching a brood of wild turkeys that had wandered into their yard when they saw a red-tailed hawk swoop down and try and pick off Tom and his sister.
有一天，他们正在观察一群野火鸡走进他们的院子，这时他们看到一只红尾鹰俯冲下来，试图抓走汤姆和他的妹妹。
Jonathan and Linda are animal lovers.
乔纳森和琳达是动物爱好者。
They've raised dogs and slugs and lizards.
他们养了狗、蛞蝓和蜥蜴。
And Jonathan once spent two years on a campaign to domesticate a feral cat.
乔纳森曾经花了两年时间进行驯养野猫的活动。
So when they saw the injured baby turkeys, Jonathan says it was hard not to help.
因此，当乔纳森看到受伤的小火鸡时，他们很难不去帮忙。
They had cuts on their faces.
他们的脸上都有伤口。
And we fixed them up and put antibiotic on his little face.
我们把它们修复了，并在他的小脸上涂了抗生素。
And they still were very attached to us, I guess, for this.
我想，他们仍然非常依恋我们，因为这一点。
So as Tom grew up, he liked to come and hang out.
所以当汤姆长大后，他喜欢来这里闲逛。
He'd wander off for a couple of days.
他会出去流浪几天。
But he would always come back.
但他总会回来的。
He and Jonathan got on really well.
他和乔纳森相处得很好。
He'd just sit there and do his thing where he'd gobble around.
他只是坐在那里做他的事情，然后狼吞虎咽。
And if I dropped any birdseed going out to the birdfeeder, he'd scour that.
如果我把任何鸟食掉到喂鸟器里，他就会把它擦干净。
He'd go in the garage, clean that out.
他会走进车库，把它清理干净。
And he used to love shiny things.
而且他以前很喜欢闪亮的东西。
And whenever I'd be working on anything, you'd find him dragging a wrench down the driveway.
每当我做任何事情时，你都会发现他在车道上拖着扳手。
It's like, where are you going with this?
就像，你要去哪里？
When news of Tom's murder hit the local papers, I was living on the island.
当汤姆被谋杀的消息登上当地报纸时，我正住在岛上。
And I can tell you, everyone went crazy over this story, couldn't get enough of it.
我可以告诉你，每个人都为这个故事而疯狂，看不够。
How in the world did this happen, that gunshots were fired in Chilmark of all places-- a sleepy town where alcohol sales are outlawed and people leave their keys in the ignition, a place where the cops have enough free time that they once responded, with success, to a call about a kid with a blueberry stuck up his nose?
奇尔马克到处都是枪声，这到底是怎么发生的？这是一个沉睡的小镇，酒类销售是非法的，人们把钥匙留在点火开关上，警察有足够的空闲时间，曾经成功地回应过一个关于一个鼻子里塞着蓝莓的孩子的电话？
The case was discussed in coffee shops and in bars, where people joked about that season's special drink-- four shots of Wild Turkey, or five, depending on whose account you believed.
这起案件在咖啡馆和酒吧里引起了讨论，人们开玩笑地谈论那个季节的特色饮料——四杯野火鸡，或者五杯，取决于你相信谁的说法。
Letters and comments streamed into the local newspapers, some asking serious questions about what the cops did.
当地报纸上充斥着信件和评论，其中一些对警察的行为提出了严肃的质疑。
But in most you could hear the snickering.
但大多数人都能听到窃笑声。
Just the idea of a turkey attacking seemed ridiculous.
火鸡袭击的想法似乎很荒谬。
A reader warned parents against letting their kids dress as turkeys for Halloween, lest they incur the wrath of the Chilmark P.D.
一位读者警告家长不要让孩子在万圣节打扮成火鸡，以免招致奇尔马克警察局的愤怒。
One paper ran an editorial cartoon of a dopey-looking turkey in a cop's uniform carrying a rifle.
一份报纸刊登了一幅社论漫画，画中一只穿着警察制服、手持步枪、看上去呆呆的火鸡。
This might be one reason why the police officers, even three years later, wouldn't talk to us for this story.
这可能是警察即使在三年后也不愿与我们谈论这个故事的原因之一。
A guy named Chip posted this comment in the Martha's Vineyard Times, "Did anyone think of simply getting back into their vehicles until the turkey no longer felt threatened?
一个名叫奇普的人在《玛莎葡萄园时报》上发表了这样的评论，“有没有人想过简单地回到他们的车里，直到火鸡不再感到受到威胁？
I'm sure it would have gone back to whatever turkeys do if left alone for five or ten minutes.
我确信，如果单独放置五到十分钟，它就会回到火鸡所做的任何事情。
Or did this turkey have a long list of priors that made him particularly scary?"
还是这只火鸡有一长串的先验让他特别可怕？”
Well, as it turns out Chip, yeah, he did-- a surprisingly long list of priors.
好吧，事实证明，奇普，是的，他做到了——一长串令人惊讶的先验。
I was totally relieved, totally relieved that the turkey was dead-- definitely singing choruses of "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead," yeah.
我完全松了一口气，完全松了一口气，火鸡死了——肯定是唱着“女巫叮咚死了”的副歌，是的。
I don't personally know the police.
我个人并不认识警察。
But I said to myself, if I had a gun, I would have shot the turkey.
但我对自己说，如果我有枪，我就会射杀火鸡。
I think I can honestly say that we all, on this road, were glad to see him gone permanently.
我想我可以诚实地说，在这条路上，我们所有人都很高兴看到他永远离开。
Those times when Tom wasn't at Jonathan's, according to neighbors, he'd been stalking them for months.
据邻居说，当汤姆不在乔纳森家时，他已经跟踪他们好几个月了。
And like any serial criminal, he had patterns, signatures.
和任何连环罪犯一样，他有模式、签名。
The first recorded sighting was on, of all days, Thanksgiving.
第一次有记录的目击事件是在感恩节那天。
An entire flock arrived on Roger Greeley's lawn.
整个羊群来到了罗杰·格里利的草坪上。
Suddenly, they flew up onto his porch and then marched across it, single file, led by Tom.
突然，他们飞到了他的门廊上，然后在汤姆的带领下排成一列走过门廊。
Before he died in 2009, Roger told me it was like trying to shoo away kindergartners.
2009 年罗杰去世前，他告诉我这就像试图赶走幼儿园的孩子一样。
They were dumb as rocks.
他们傻得像石头一样。
But it all seemed so innocent at the beginning.
但这一切一开始都显得那么天真无邪。
Soon, Tom started showing up at Blue Cullen's house.
很快，汤姆开始出现在布鲁卡伦家。
He would come chasing up to you as if he were going to peck you.
他会追到你身边，好像要啄你一样。
He was really scary.
他真的很可怕。
And he just would keep coming at you.
他会一直向你走来。
So I took to walking from my front door to my car, anytime I had to go out, with a broom.
因此，每当我需要外出时，我都会拿着扫帚从前门步行到车上。
And at times I would just laugh at myself because I thought, if anybody just saw me chasing after this turkey with a broom, I would just look like a total madwoman.
有时我会嘲笑自己，因为我想，如果有人看到我拿着扫帚追赶这只火鸡，我就会看起来像个十足的疯女人。
My reoccurring nightmares is that I'm being chased by something, right?
我经常做的噩梦是我被什么东西追着，对吗？
So all of a sudden, you have a turkey who really is bringing that to life.
所以突然之间，你就有了一只真正将这一点变为现实的火鸡。
Blue's niece, Stephanie DeRosa, lives one door down.
布鲁的侄女斯蒂芬妮·德罗莎就住在隔壁。
Her primary battleground lay on the small stretch between her house and her car, where Tom would come after her.
她的主要战场位于她的房子和汽车之间的一小段，汤姆会在那里追赶她。
I honestly ran in and got in through my passenger door, because that's what was closest to the house door, ran into the passenger door to get into the driver's seat to drive away.
我老老实实跑进去，从我的副驾驶门进去，因为那是离家门最近的，跑进副驾驶门坐进驾驶座开走。
Tom seemed to have a particular fetish for cars.
汤姆似乎对汽车有一种特殊的迷恋。
Victim after victim told me stories of Tom hurling himself against vehicles, circling them maniacally, or staring down revving engines.
一个又一个的受害者向我讲述了汤姆向车辆投掷、疯狂地绕着它们转、或者盯着高速运转的发动机的故事。
Terrifyingly, he could keep pace with a car for the length of a city block.
可怕的是，他可以跟上汽车跑完一个街区。
Stephanie remembers one time--
斯蒂芬妮记得有一次——
I got into the car, and he was coming at the car.
我上了车，他正朝车过来。
Coming at my car.
到我的车来了。
I had paint chipped off of my car from this turkey.
我的车上的油漆被这只火鸡剥落了。
Yeah, it's terrorizing.
是的，这很恐怖。
It's a living nightmare.
这是一场活生生的噩梦。
As the attacks continued, people adapted to the new regime.
随着袭击的继续，人们适应了新政权。
They learned to recognize the sound of Tom's low-slung wings scraping the gravel driveway.
他们学会了辨别汤姆低垂的翅膀刮过碎石车道的声音。
Some parked as close as possible to the front door to shorten the route between the car and the safety of their house.
有些人把车停得尽可能靠近前门，以缩短汽车和房屋之间的路线。
One man escorted his guesthouse tenants on walks and to their cars.
一名男子护送他的宾馆房客散步并上车。
After kicking and swatting, people tried defending themselves with brooms, rakes, garden hoses, golf clubs, baseball bats.
在拳打脚踢之后，人们尝试用扫帚、耙子、花园软管、高尔夫球杆、棒球棒自卫。
A plumber had nothing on him but a hot soldering iron when Tom attacked.
当汤姆袭击时，一名水管工身上除了一把滚烫的烙铁外什么都没有。
He wouldn't talk to us about it on tape, but he claims to have made contact and smelled cooked turkey.
他不会在录音中与我们谈论这件事，但他声称已经接触过并闻到了煮熟的火鸡的味道。
The absurdity of it all wasn't lost on anyone.
任何人都意识到这一切的荒谬性。
Brian Mackey, a financial director at the island's YMCA, tried to shoo away Tom with a broom and was backed 30 feet across his own yard, walking backwards, trying not to break into a run, until he knocked into a short, stone wall that he didn't see.
岛上 YMCA 的财务总监布莱恩·麦基 (Brian Mackey) 试图用扫帚赶走汤姆，却被他的院子后退了 30 英尺，他向后走着，试图不让自己逃跑，直到撞到了一堵他看不见的短石墙。
He's in his yard showing us where it happened.
他在他的院子里向我们展示了事情发生的地点。
And I'm just laying here with the broom.
我只是拿着扫帚躺在这里。
And it's going like-- I'm saying, what the hell is--
事情就像——我是说，到底是什么——
And I said, go away.
我说，走吧。
You're a turkey.
你是一只火鸡。
What are you doing here?
你在这里做什么？
You're not supposed to do this to me.
你不应该这样对我。
This is my house.
这是我的房子。
Get out of here.
离开这里。
If it were a person, you could talk to it.
如果是一个人，你可以和它交谈。
This was a turkey.
这是一只火鸡。
Brian told me he used to yell at Tom again and again asking, what do you want?
布莱恩告诉我，他常常对汤姆大喊大叫，一次又一次地问，你想要什么？
What do you want?
你想要什么？
To make things worse, Tom didn't act alone.
更糟糕的是，汤姆并不是单独行动的。
According to his victims, he had an entire rogue flock at his disposal.
据他的受害者说，他有一整群流氓可供他支配。
He seemed to have the whole group bent to his will.
他似乎让整个团队都屈服于他的意志。
And they would surround people while he attacked.
当他攻击时，他们会包围人们。
An electrician told me he was engulfed by a sea of nearly 40 turkeys, with Tom at the helm, who trapped him in his van.
一位电工告诉我，他被近 40 只火鸡的海洋吞没，汤姆掌舵，把他困在货车里。
The flock singled out a woman named Debbie Morelli for special treatment.
羊群特别挑选了一位名叫黛比·莫雷利的妇女来给予特殊待遇。
Her house is close to Jonathan and Linda's, the couple that was treating Tom like a pet.
她的房子靠近乔纳森和琳达的家，这对夫妇把汤姆当作宠物对待。
The turkeys patrolled Debbie's property day and night.
火鸡日夜在黛比的财产上巡逻。
They'd roost in her trees, defecate in her yard and in the outdoor shower.
它们栖息在她的树上，在她的院子里和室外淋浴间排便。
They'd stomp around on the roof.
他们会在屋顶上跺脚。
One night, a turkey toppled into her chimney.
一天晚上，一只火鸡掉进了她的烟囱。
She had to listen to it struggle and die in there.
她必须听它挣扎并死在那里。
Even today, three years later, as we were asking her about Tom, she threw her head down on the table.
即使在三年后的今天，当我们向她询问汤姆的情况时，她仍把头埋在桌子上。
I really didn't like him.
我真的不喜欢他。
Sam Bungey Kevin Oliver is a caretaker for a bunch of summer homes on the island.
山姆·邦吉（Sam Bunge）凯文·奥利弗（Kevin Oliver）是岛上一处避暑别墅的管理员。
One day, he got out of his car to check on one of the houses and there they were, Tom and his flock.
有一天，他下车去检查一所房子，汤姆和他的羊群就在那里。
He says it seemed like they were waiting for him.
他说他们似乎在等他。
And usually, when you come to a flock of turkeys, they run away.
通常，当你遇到一群火鸡时，它们就会逃跑。
This group of turkeys ran towards me, so I made a bolt for the front door.
这群火鸡向我跑来，所以我在前门上开了一个门闩。
And as I'm running towards the house, I finally realize that I have a handful of keys in my hand and I don't know which one belongs to the house.
当我跑向房子的时候，我终于意识到我手里有一把钥匙，但我不知道哪一把是属于房子的。
So I start scrambling with the keys.
于是我开始乱搞钥匙。
And as I'm doing that, the turkeys are closing in rapidly.
当我这样做时，火鸡正在迅速接近。
It was just that classic horror scene where you're sitting there fumbling with the keys as creature's creeping up behind you.
这就是经典的恐怖场景，你坐在那里摸索着钥匙，而生物却在你身后爬过来。
I finally got the right key in the door.
我终于拿到了开门的正确钥匙。
And as I slipped in the door, the turkey's head literally came through the opening in the door.
当我溜进门时，火鸡的头确实从门缝里钻了出来。
Tom lunged at him, snapping with his beak.
汤姆向他扑来，用喙猛咬。
If he'd slammed the door shut, Kevin could have ended things right there.
如果凯文关上门，事情就可以结束了。
But instead, he kicked Tom's head out and closed the door.
但他却把汤姆的头踢了出去，并关上了门。
The turkey then held him hostage in the house until Kevin grabbed a golf club and swung his way to the car.
火鸡随后将他扣为人质，直到凯文抓起一根高尔夫球杆并朝汽车走去。
What did you think he was going to do to you if he caught you?
你认为如果他抓住你，他会对你做什么？
Same thing I saw him do to somebody else, spur me.
我看到他对别人做同样的事，激励我。
They have those big spurs out on the backside of their legs.
他们的腿后面有那些大马刺。
And he was a big turkey.
他是一只大火鸡。
It was a big, nasty, testosterone-filled turkey.
那是一只又大又恶心、充满睾丸激素的火鸡。
The attacks went on for more than six months, sometimes several times a week.
这些袭击持续了六个多月，有时一周几次。
Some neighbors suffered in silence, assuming they were the only ones dealing with this crazed bird.
一些邻居默默地承受着痛苦，认为他们是唯一与这只疯狂的鸟打交道的人。
Others tried asking for help, but they had a hard time getting people to take them seriously.
其他人试图寻求帮助，但他们很难让人们认真对待他们。
The chief of police said the birds weren't under his jurisdiction, same with the environmental police officer and the animal control guy, whose specialty is dogs.
警察局长表示，这些鸟类不属于他的管辖范围，环境警察和动物控制人员也是如此，他们的专长是狗。
A few people even contacted hunters, trying to organize a contract on Tom.
有几个人甚至联系了猎人，试图为汤姆签订一份合同。
But no one bit.
但没有一丁点。
Wild turkeys are protected animals.
野生火鸡是受保护的动物。
And back in 2008, even if you had a permit, you could only hunt them for fewer than three weeks out of the year.
早在 2008 年，即使你有许可证，你一年中也只能捕猎不到三周。
So lots of people found themselves in a pickle, which is why they were so relieved when those delivery people called 9-1-1 and the police finally shot him.
所以很多人发现自己陷入了困境，这就是为什么当那些送货员拨打 9-1-1 并且警察最终开枪打死他时，他们如此松了一口气。
Not only because it rid them of the bird, but also because it was proof that they hadn't imagined the whole thing.
不仅因为这让他们摆脱了那只鸟，还因为这证明了整个事情并不是他们想象的。
Here's Blue Cullen, the women who used to chase Tom with a broom.
这是布鲁·卡伦，那些曾经用扫帚追赶汤姆的女人。
If those people didn't have the fortitude to deal with that situation and the police literally had to shoot this bird, then I felt like, OK, maybe my anger wasn't as misplaced.
如果那些人没有毅力来处理这种情况，而警察真的不得不射杀这只鸟，那么我觉得，好吧，也许我的愤怒并没有那么错误。
If it can get to people like that too, then I'm not as cuckoo as I think I am.
如果这样的人也能接受，那我就不像我想象的那样了。
Why did Tom turn out this way?
汤姆为什么会变成这样？
How did he end up attacking humans?
他最后是怎么攻击人类的？
A wildlife expert on the island speculated maybe Jonathan and Linda fed him so often that he lost his fear of people and became territorial.
岛上的一位野生动物专家推测，也许乔纳森和琳达经常给他喂食，以至于他失去了对人的恐惧，变得有领地意识。
When he saw people in the neighborhood, especially new people, he viewed them as a threat.
当他看到附近的人，尤其是新来的人时，他将他们视为威胁。
This expert said, that's why people should never feed wild turkeys.
这位专家说，这就是为什么人们不应该喂养野生火鸡。
You're creating a monster, he said, when you start hand-feeding these animals.
他说，当你开始手工喂养这些动物时，你就在创造一个怪物。
It's difficult to square Jonathan and Linda's description of Tom with the bird that brought an entire neighborhood to its knees.
乔纳森和琳达对汤姆的描述很难与那只让整个社区屈服的鸟联系起来。
Maybe it was just a matter of perspective.
也许这只是一个视角问题。
Jonathan told us how Tom used to chase the UPS van.
乔纳森告诉我们汤姆是如何追赶 UPS 货车的。
He remembered it fondly, like it was a cute game Tom and the delivery man would play together.
他对这件事记忆犹新，就像汤姆和送货员一起玩的一个可爱的游戏一样。
But I spoke to that UPS guy.
但我和 UPS 的那个人谈过。
He wouldn't go on the record about it.
他不会将此事记录在案。
But he said that turkey scared the crap out of him.
但他说火鸡把他吓坏了。
But isn't that often the way with the parents of a local bully?
但当地恶霸的父母不也是这样吗？
To everyone else, he's a thug.
在其他人看来，他就是一个暴徒。
But to mom and dad, he's a high-spirited little angel, a fluffy, injured orphan misunderstood by the world.
但对于爸爸妈妈来说，他是一个意气风发的小天使，一个被世人误解的毛茸茸的、受伤的孤儿。
I felt badly for him because he had been injured and he seemed to come over to our field a lot more than some of the other turkeys.
我为他感到难过，因为他受伤了，而且他似乎比其他一些火鸡更多地来到我们的场地。
And he did come back a few times with yellow paint on his face because he had been shot by someone with a paintball gun.
他确实有几次回来时脸上沾着黄色油漆，因为他被人用彩弹枪射中了。
And I guess he sort of realized that this was the place to come to when something happened.
我猜他大概意识到，当有事情发生时，他应该来这个地方。
One of the first things Linda did as her husband was being released from jail that day was call the island's emergency services number and ask for them to return Tom's body.
那天，琳达的丈夫出狱后做的第一件事就是拨打岛上的紧急服务电话，要求他们归还汤姆的尸体。
The dispatcher was perfectly polite to Linda.
调度员对琳达非常有礼貌。
OK, I'll see if I can get ahold of Matt and call you.
好的，我看看能否找到马特并给你打电话。
But then the dispatcher calls the animal control officer.
但随后调度员给动物控制官员打电话。
And in the recording of that call, you can tell how absurd she thinks the whole thing is.
从那次通话的录音中，你可以看出她认为整件事是多么荒谬。
It's almost like they forgot they were being recorded.
他们几乎忘记了自己正在被录音。
Hi, this is the Chilmark Turkey Patrol reporting in.
大家好，我是奇尔马克土耳其巡逻队正在报道。
You called me?
你给我打电话了？
You're not going to believe it.
你不会相信的。
You haven't started dressing it yet, have you?
你还没开始穿衣服吧？
I did not dress it.
我没有穿它。
It is in a bag in the freezer with a Chilmark P.D.
它装在一个袋子里，放在冰箱里，上面有 Chilmark P.D.
label on it.
上面有标签。
Because Miss [BLEEP] wants her turkey to give it a proper burial.
因为[BLEEP]小姐想要她的火鸡给它一个适当的埋葬。
He tells her the police are keeping the turkey on lockdown as potential evidence.
他告诉她，警方正在封锁这只火鸡，作为潜在的证据。
Hopefully you won't read it.
希望你不会读它。
I'm not part of it.
我不是其中的一部分。
This is not how I deal with turkeys.
这不是我对待火鸡的方式。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Don't know.
不知道。
Dispatcher It piques my interest when somebody wants their turkey back to give it a proper burial.
调度员 当有人想要拿回他们的火鸡并给它一个适当的埋葬时，这激起了我的兴趣。
That's right, well.
就是这样，好吧。
It's not going anywhere.
它不会去任何地方。
It's safely tagged and in our freezer.
它已被安全标记并存放在我们的冰箱中。
Half a year went by.
半年过去了。
After $30,000 in legal fees, all the charges against Jonathan were dropped-- assault and battery of a police officer and resisting arrest, each of which could have gotten him two and a half years in jail.
在支付了 3 万美元的律师费后，针对乔纳森的所有指控都被撤销——袭击、殴打一名警察以及拒捕，每一项都可能让他入狱两年半。
And then, Jonathan says, one day the Chilmark P.D.
然后，乔纳森说，有一天，奇尔马克警察局
called about Tom.
打电话询问汤姆的事。
The police had kept him for the whole six months of the appeal.
在上诉期间，警方一直拘留着他整整六个月。
And by that point, he was rather freezer burned.
到那时，他已经被冻伤了。
So this tiny little bag of this, apparently ferocious, turkey came back to us.
于是，这一小袋看似凶猛的火鸡又回到了我们身边。
And we buried him.
我们埋葬了他。
And he has a headstone.
他有一块墓碑。
I thought you'd like to know what is written on it.
我想你想知道上面写的是什么。
It's a little rock and it has a little brass plaque.
这是一块小石头，上面有一个小黄铜牌。
And it says, "Tom the Turkey.
上面写着：“火鸡汤姆。
He died as he lived." What more can you say for a wild animal?
他活着的时候就死了。”对于野生动物，你还能说什么？
In Jonathan, Tom had found the one guy in the woods who was in his corner, who tried to understand him on his own terms.
汤姆在乔纳森身上找到了一个在树林里站在他的角落里的人，他试图用他自己的方式来理解他。
To almost everyone else, Tom was a thug and a tough one-- gored by a hawk, pelted with paintballs, burned with a soldering iron.
对于几乎所有人来说，汤姆都是一个暴徒，而且是一个强硬的人——被鹰顶伤、被彩弹投掷、被烙铁烧伤。
None of that stopped him.
这些都没有阻止他。
When Tom finally did go down, it was like Scarface in a barrage of gunfire.
当汤姆最终倒下时，就像疤面煞星陷入枪林弹雨。
He lived like a bird.
他像鸟一样生活。
But he died like a gangster.
但他死得像个歹徒。
Sam Bungey.
萨姆·邦吉.
He edits the online magazine, The Racket, at theracket.net.
他编辑 theracket.net 上的在线杂志《The Racket》。
Coming up, more birds who do not do what we want them to.
即将到来，更多的鸟不做我们希望它们做的事。
That's in a minute.
就在一分钟之内。
From Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，来自芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today it is our annual "Poultry Slam," stories of chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese, foul of all kind, and our attempts to bend them to our will.
今天是我们一年一度的“家禽大满贯”，讲述鸡、火鸡、鸭子、鹅、各种臭虫的故事，以及我们试图让它们屈服于我们的意志的故事。
We've arrived at Act Three of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three, "Latin Liver."
第三幕，“拉丁肝脏”。
For a chef like Dan Barber, foie gras-- goose liver-- poses a special problem.
对于丹·巴伯（Dan Barber）这样的厨师来说，鹅肝（鹅肝）是一个特殊的问题。
On the one hand, he says, it's fatty.
他说，一方面，它很油腻。
It's sweet.
很甜。
It makes everything near it taste incredible.
它让附近的一切都尝起来令人难以置信。
Every chef loves foie gras.
每个厨师都喜欢鹅肝。
I've said this many times.
这句话我已经说过很多次了。
You end up looking like a much better chef than you are if you use foie gras in all these ways.
如果您以所有这些方式使用鹅肝，您最终看起来会比实际情况更好。
But at the same time, it's also the most maligned food out there.
但与此同时，它也是最受诟病的食物。
Production has banned in many countries.
许多国家已禁止生产。
Soon it's going to be illegal to serve it in the entire state of California.
很快，在整个加利福尼亚州提供这种服务将是非法的。
And it's easy to understand why.
原因很容易理解。
The way foie gras is made is completely inhumane.
鹅肝的制作方式完全不人道。
Ducks or geese are restrained.
鸭子或鹅受到限制。
A long tube is forced down their throats.
一根长管子被强行插入他们的喉咙。
And then food is pumped into them, several meals a day, for weeks, until their livers get huge, many times their normal size.
然后将食物注入它们体内，每天几餐，持续数周，直到它们的肝脏变得巨大，是正常大小的许多倍。
This force-feeding is called "gavage." So, like I say, problematic, right?
这种强制喂食称为“强饲”。所以，就像我说的，有问题，对吧？
Well in 2008, Dan heard about something that he wasn't sure could possibly be true, a man named Eduardo Sousa, claiming that he was making foie gras without gavage-- no force-feeding at all.
2008 年，丹听说了一件他不确定是否属实的事情，一个名叫爱德华多·苏萨 (Eduardo Sousa) 的男子声称他在制作鹅肝时没有强饲——根本没有强制喂食。
He'd just won a big French culinary prize for the stuff-- the first time a non-French person won that award.
他刚刚凭借这些东西赢得了法国烹饪大奖——这是第一次有非法国人获得该奖项。
And there was a controversy about that, actually, because how could it be foie gras if he wasn't force-feeding?
事实上，对此存在争议，因为如果他不是强行灌食，怎么可能是鹅肝呢？
What he was claiming that he was doing was impossible.
他声称他正在做的事情是不可能的。
And there was this reporter who was doing a story about this guy, Eduardo, and the reporter asked Dan to accompany her as somebody who knew what foie gras is supposed to taste like, to verify whether or not this was, in fact, foie gras.
当时有位记者正在报道爱德华多这个人，记者让丹作为一个知道鹅肝味道的人陪她一起去验证这是否真的是鹅肝。
I think, really, I was pretty pessimistic, I've got to say.
我想，我不得不说，我确实非常悲观。
I've had a lot of liver in my life from birds.
我一生中吃过很多鸟类的肝脏。
And to get a liver that is the size of a foie gras-- the idea that you would be able to do that naturally, just-- it's impossible.
要获得鹅肝大小的肝脏——你可以自然地做到这一点的想法——这是不可能的。
It's like, how does that happen?
就像，这是怎么发生的？
How big is it?
有多大？
Dan Barber Well, like it's a small football.
丹·巴伯（Dan Barber）：嗯，就像是一个小足球一样。
Yeah.
是的。
Oh yeah.
哦，是的。
Nerf football, sorry.
纳尔夫足球，对不起。
Yes, right.
是的，没错。
It's a Nerf football.
这是 Nerf 足球。
So Dan flew to Spain, to a region called Extremadura and went with this reporter to see this guy, Eduardo.
于是丹飞到了西班牙，一个叫埃斯特雷马杜拉的地区，和记者一起去见了这个人，爱德华多。
We arrive at the farm.
我们到达农场。
And here was this man who I didn't know was Eduardo at that moment, lying in the lush grass of his farm in Extremadura with a cell phone.
这个人当时我不知道他就是爱德华多，他拿着手机躺在他位于埃斯特雷马杜拉的农场茂盛的草地上。
He was lying on his back and taking cell phone pictures of the geese all around him, oh, and cooing, of course.
他仰面躺着，用手机拍摄周围的鹅，哦，当然还有咕咕叫的鹅。
He was on his back cooing.
他仰面躺着，咕咕地叫着。
In Spanish he was saying, "Lovelies, lovelies, lovelies, come around, lovelies.
他用西班牙语说：“可爱的，可爱的，可爱的，过来吧，可爱的。
Over here, lovelies."
在这里，亲爱的。”
It was such a bizarro-- what do you call-- horse whisperer moment.
这真是一个奇怪的——你管它叫什么——马语者时刻。
But it felt, at once, both so weird-- and I think I was jet-lagged because I had just flown in and I was just like, what am I doing with this?
但立刻感觉很奇怪——我想我是因为时差反应，因为我刚飞来，我就想，我在做什么？
What is this?
这是什么？
This is going to be a [BLEEP] waste of time, is actually what I was thinking.
这将是[BLEEP]浪费时间，实际上我就是这么想的。
I remember that as my first thought.
我记得这是我的第一个想法。
I was so sure of it.
我对此非常确定。
Yeah.
是的。
He was a nut.
他是个疯子。
And I think at the moment I was like, holy Jesus, this is a waste of time, I started to question him a little more aggressively.
我想那一刻我就想，天哪，这是浪费时间，我开始更积极地质疑他。
It was one of those things where you just get agitated and tired, and you look back and you're just like, what a jerk I must have seemed.
这是一种让你感到焦躁和疲倦的事情，当你回首往事时，你会想，我一定看起来是个混蛋。
And what kind of questions were you asking?
你问了什么样的问题？
Like, so how does this work?
就像，那么这是如何工作的呢？
Like, I don't get it.
就像，我不明白。
So here's what Eduardo told him.
这就是Eduardo告诉他的话。
He said, you don't have to force-feed geese to get them to gorge out on food, because geese gorge themselves naturally, in the wild, when they feel winter coming.
他说，你不必强迫鹅喂食来让它们狼吞虎咽，因为在野外，当鹅感觉到冬天即将来临时，它们会自然地狼吞虎咽。
It's like their preparation for winter.
这就像他们为冬天做准备。
And so, what Eduardo does is just surround them with all kinds of incredible things to eat.
因此，Eduardo 所做的就是为他们提供各种令人难以置信的食物。
It's like a goosey garden of Eden on his property.
这就像他的财产上的伊甸园。
There's figs and there's olives.
有无花果和橄榄。
And there are these huge acorns.
还有这些巨大的橡子。
And there are all kinds of grasses.
而且还有各种草。
And the geese can go wherever they want, eat whatever they want.
鹅们可以去任何它们想去的地方，吃任何它们想吃的东西。
And then, when it starts to get cold, Eduardo tells Dan, they stuff themselves.
然后，当天气开始变冷时，爱德华多告诉丹，他们会吃东西。
That's their natural instinct.
这是他们的本能。
They just stuff themselves.
他们只是填饱自己的肚子。
But-- and this is an important but-- for that instinct to stuff themslves to take over--
但是——这是一个重要的但是——对于那种自我填充的本能来接管——
The geese have to believe they are free.
鹅必须相信它们是自由的。
If they do not believe they are free-- if they at all feel domesticated, and one surefire sign of domestication is fencing-- if they get food brought to them, then they don't feel wild.
如果它们不相信自己是自由的——如果它们感到被驯化，而驯化的一个明确标志就是击剑——如果它们得到食物，那么它们就不会感到狂野。
And if they don't feel wild, their DNA to gorge won't kick in.
如果它们不感到狂野，它们贪吃的基因就不会发挥作用。
So what this means is that all the normal things that you do to raise livestock-- bringing them food, fencing them in-- Eduardo doesn't do.
所以这意味着你为饲养牲畜所做的所有正常事情——给它们带来食物、把它们围起来——Eduardo 不会做。
Dan heard this and he thought Eduardo was just lying.
Dan听到了这句话，他认为Eduardo只是在撒谎。
He thought he was actually lying.
他认为他实际上是在撒谎。
Because Dan knows, actually, a lot about farming.
因为丹实际上了解很多有关农业的知识。
His restaurant has two locations and one is in Manhattan and one is on this beautiful, organic farm called Stone Barns which is 45 minutes outside of New York.
他的餐厅有两家分店，一家位于曼哈顿，另一家位于名为 Stone Barns 的美丽有机农场，距纽约 45 分钟车程。
And the farm is like this model organic farm.
这个农场就像这个模范有机农场。
People take tours, there's an education program, and it's this super idealistic nonprofit that grows vegetables without any pesticides or chemicals.
人们参加旅游，有一个教育项目，而正是这个超级理想主义的非营利组织在不使用任何农药或化学品的情况下种植蔬菜。
And it raises free-range animals.
它饲养自由放养的动物。
They have pigs and there's sheep and there's chickens.
他们有猪，有羊，有鸡。
And all this is the latest environmentally-sensitive techniques for this kind of thing.
而这一切都是针对此类事情的最新环境敏感技术。
And that incredible food that's produced there is served in Dan's restaurant.
丹的餐厅供应那里生产的令人难以置信的食物。
But, even on this eco-friendly, animal-friendly farm, they feed the animals.
但是，即使在这个生态友好、动物友好的农场里，他们也会喂养动物。
You know?
你知道？
They use fences, electrified fences, to keep the predators out and to put the free-range animals on whatever field or woods is ready for them to be free-ranging, grazing, whatever.
他们使用栅栏，带电的栅栏，将捕食者拒之门外，并将自由放养的动物放在任何适合它们自由放养、放牧的田野或树林上。
And also, to keep the animals from simply wandering off the property.
而且，还要防止动物随意走失。
They're very different from Eduardo.
他们与爱德华多非常不同。
Eduardo told Dan that the only fences that he uses are with the baby geese.
爱德华多告诉丹，他唯一使用的栅栏是小鹅。
And even then, he doesn't use them for very long.
即便如此，他也不会使用它们很长时间。
So, he loses 20% to 30% of his geese to predators.
因此，他的 20% 到 30% 的鹅被掠食者夺走。
That was a signal that was like-- can't be true.
那是一个信号——不可能是真的。
How do you run a business where you lose 20% or 30% of your profits in the first couple of months?
如果您在最初几个月内损失了 20% 或 30% 的利润，您如何经营一家企业？
So then I was just like, oh this is-- and what he said to me is, that's God's tax on raising the livers, which, you know, I'd never heard that one before.
然后我就想，哦，这是——他对我说的是，那是上帝对肝脏征收的税，你知道，我以前从未听说过这个税。
Have you?
你？
No. God's tax.
不，上帝的税。
And the whole time that Eduardo is talking to Dan, he keeps making these motions with his hands, which Dan takes as, slow down.
在 Eduardo 与 Dan 交谈的整个过程中，他一直用手做出这些动作，Dan 认为，放慢速度。
Wait for the translator.
等待翻译。
You're talking too fast.
你说得太快了。
And he's been there for an hour or two when he realizes that, no, no, no, Eduardo wants him to lower his voice.
他在那里呆了一两个小时，然后他意识到，不，不，不，Eduardo 希望他降低声音。
Because I was scaring the geese.
因为我吓到了鹅。
And amazingly-- I swear to God-- the geese, who I hadn't noticed because, I don't know, I'm not sensitive.
令人惊奇的是——我向上帝发誓——那些鹅，我没有注意到它们，因为我不知道，我不敏感。
I'm like a typical guy.
我就像一个典型的人。
I don't notice these things.
我不注意这些事情。
Geese were on the other side of this area when I was talking.
当我说话时，鹅就在这个区域的另一边。
I lowered my voice, much like I'm doing now, nothing too extravagant.
我压低了声音，就像我现在所做的那样，没有什么太奢侈的。
I'm lowering my voice.
我压低声音。
Within a few minutes, the geese were all up against us, all up around us.
几分钟之内，鹅群就全部围到了我们的面前，围在我们的周围。
And so, maybe that's when my tune changed a little bit with him.
所以，也许从那时起我对他的态度就发生了一些改变。
A second thing was, the geese were enormous.
第二件事是，鹅很大。
They were like dinosaurs and a little frightening.
他们就像恐龙一样，有点可怕。
And what he said-- and I believed it when I finally got up close to them-- is when they get to a certain-- I think it was like eight months or something-- they fend off foxes and hyenas.
他说的——当我最终接近他们时我相信了——是当他们达到一定程度时——我想大概是八个月左右——他们会抵御狐狸和鬣狗。
They fight back and they can kill them just with their wings.
他们反击，只用翅膀就可以杀死他们。
And I was a little skeptical.
我有点怀疑。
Then I saw them-- they're big, meaty, fierce, animals.
然后我看到了它们——它们是大的、多肉的、凶猛的动物。
Fierce.
凶猛的。
So then I started to think, wow, he's doing something right.
然后我开始想，哇，他正在做正确的事情。
So then, as they're wandering around the farm, Dan witnessed something.
然后，当他们在农场闲逛时，丹目睹了一些事情。
And I didn't actually ask him about this in our interview.
在我们的采访中我实际上并没有问他这个问题。
But he talked about this, a few months right after he visited Spain, in this speech that he gave at the TED conference.
但他在访问西班牙几个月后在 TED 会议上发表的演讲中谈到了这一点。
And I went to this online.
我在网上看到了这个。
And let me just play this for you.
让我为你播放这个。
So it's like, here I am on the fence about this guy.
所以这就像是，我对这个人持观望态度。
And we're sitting there and I hear [CLAPPING] from a distance.
我们坐在那里，我听到远处传来[鼓掌声]。
I look over and he grabs my arm and the translator's and ducks us under a bush.
我看过去，他抓住我和翻译的手臂，把我们躲到灌木丛下面。
He says, watch this.
他说，看这个。
And a squadron of geese come around.
一群鹅围过来。
And they're getting louder, louder, louder, really loud right over us.
他们的声音越来越大，越来越大，越来越大，就在我们头顶上。
And as they start to go past us, his geese are calling up to the wild geese.
当他们开始从我们身边经过时，他的鹅正在呼唤大雁。
[CLAPPING].
[鼓掌]。
And the wild geese are calling down.
大雁正在低头鸣叫。
And it's getting louder and louder.
而且声音越来越大。
And then they circle and circle, and they land.
然后他们一圈又一圈，然后着陆。
And honestly, I was like, no way.
老实说，我当时想，没门。
No way.
决不。
I look at Eduardo who is near tears looking at this.
我看着爱德华多，他看着这一切，几乎要流泪了。
And I say, you're telling me that your geese are calling to the wild geese to say, come for a visit.
我说，你告诉我你的鹅正在呼唤大雁说，来参观一下。
And he says, no, no, no. They come to stay.
他说，不，不，不。他们来留下来。
They come to stay?
他们来留下来吗？
Think about that for a minute.
想一想。
I mean, imagine-- I don't know-- imagine a hog farm in North Carolina.
我的意思是，想象一下——我不知道——想象一下北卡罗来纳州的一个养猪场。
And a wild pig comes upon a factory farm and decides to stay.
一头野猪来到一个工厂化农场并决定留下来。
The DNA of a goose is to fly South in the winter, right?
鹅的DNA就是冬天向南飞，对吗？
I said that.
我这么说。
I said, isn't that what they're put on this earth for?
我说，这不就是他们来到这个地球上的目的吗？
To fly South in the winter and North when it gets warm?
冬天向南飞，天气暖和时向北飞？
He said, no, no, no. Their DNA is to find the conditions that are conducive to life, to happiness.
他说，不，不，不。他们的基因是寻找有利于生命和幸福的条件。
They find it here.
他们在这里找到它。
They stop.
他们停下来。
They mate with his domesticated geese.
它们与他家养的鹅交配。
And his flock continues.
他的羊群仍在继续。
So, finally came the moment of truth, when Dan tries the foie gras.
所以，关键时刻终于到来了，丹尝试鹅肝。
To do that, Eduardo took Dan to lunch in this tiny town in this area.
为此，Eduardo 带 Dan 在该地区的这个小镇吃午餐。
And, as Dan describes it, it's like a town from an old Western.
而且，正如丹所描述的，它就像一个来自古老西部片的小镇。
There's literally tumbleweeds rolling down the street.
街道上确实有风滚草滚滚。
And there's a candy store, and a post office, and a bar.
还有一家糖果店、一家邮局和一家酒吧。
And the bar is where they go for lunch.
酒吧是他们吃午餐的地方。
And they are the only two customers in the bar.
而且他们是酒吧里仅有的两个顾客。
And the foie gras comes in this tiny little jar.
鹅肝装在这个小罐子里。
And it's cold.
而且天气很冷。
And he spoons it out with a little spoon.
他用小勺子把它舀出来。
And then I tasted it and it's like-- what I remember thinking was, it really was the first time I ever had foie gras.
然后我尝了尝，感觉就像——我记得当时的想法是，这确实是我第一次吃鹅肝。
That's what it felt to me.
这就是我的感受。
Because to say that it was the best foie gras of my life would be to cheapen it.
因为如果说这是我一生中最好吃的鹅肝，那就等于贬低了它的价格。
Because it was so dramatically different.
因为它是如此的截然不同。
It gave me the shivers.
这让我不寒而栗。
It was really weird.
真的很奇怪。
It was as if I was being introduced to a new food.
就好像我被介绍给一种新食物一样。
Not just a new food but an incredible new food.
不仅仅是一种新食物，而且是一种令人难以置信的新食物。
You know Dan's a chef, right?
你知道丹是一名厨师，对吗？
So he was trying to figure out, what are all these flavors that he's tasting in this liver?
所以他试图弄清楚，他在这个肝脏中尝到的所有这些味道是什么？
And it's spicy and it's fruity.
而且它很辣，而且有果味。
And he's asking Eduardo, do you put this ingredient in?
他问Eduardo，你放了这种成分吗？
Do you put that ingredient in?
你把那个成分放进去吗？
I went through a list of these spices and stuff.
我浏览了这些香料和东西的清单。
And he was like, no. He kept shaking his head.
他说，不。他不断摇头。
I was like, definitely tasted some pepper spice.
我当时想，肯定尝到了一些胡椒香料。
And then he was just like, no to pepper.
然后他就说，不吃胡椒。
I was like, no to pepper?
我当时想，不吃胡椒吗？
Who doesn't put salt and pepper?
谁不放盐和胡椒粉？
So I was like, OK, so you have your foie gras and you take salt-- and he went like this.
所以我想，好吧，所以你吃鹅肝，吃盐——他就这样走了。
No salt.
没有盐。
You don't use salt?
你不用盐吗？
He's like, no. So it turns out, all of the essences that I was tasting, all the spice, everything that I was tasting, were things that they geese were eating in Extremadura-- not those particular spices, but different grasses that had those kinds of flavors.
他就像，不。事实证明，我品尝到的所有精华，所有香料，我品尝到的所有东西，都是埃斯特雷马杜拉鹅吃的东西——不是那些特定的香料，而是具有这些味道的不同草。
Because he gave them access to-- according to him-- mustard grasses that I was tasting as pepper and spices.
因为他让他们接触到——据他自己说——芥菜草，我把芥菜草当作胡椒和香料来品尝。
He had grasses that had a salinity to them.
他的草有盐分。
For the saltiness?
为了咸味？
Dan Barber For the saltiness.
丹·巴伯（Dan Barber） 咸味。
And so, yeah, right?
所以，是的，对吧？
Wow.
哇。
What Dan was seeing was this guy, Eduardo, who was like a cook out in the field with the birds, preparing their flavor as he raised them.
丹看到的是这个家伙，爱德华多，他就像一个在田野里和鸟儿一起做饭的厨师，一边饲养它们一边准备它们的味道。
Though, to say raise them-- all he was doing was letting them eat whatever they wanted.
不过，说养他们——他只是让他们想吃什么就吃什么。
And seeing this changed Dan's cooking.
看到这一点改变了丹的烹饪方式。
So much of what he serves now in his own restaurant is an attempt to present-- it's almost like the platonic ideal of the flavor of whatever meat or vegetable he's serving, and not some taste that he imposes in the kitchen.
他现在在自己的餐厅里提供的大部分食物都是一种尝试——这几乎就像他所提供的任何肉类或蔬菜的柏拉图式理想风味，而不是他在厨房里强加的某种味道。
But beyond all that, there was also just witnessing this sheer, macho achievement of what Eduardo had done.
但除此之外，我们还亲眼目睹了爱德华多所取得的纯粹、男子气概的成就。
It was hard to believe he could do this with foie gras.
很难相信他能用鹅肝做到这一点。
Foie gras was like Mount Everest.
鹅肝就像珠穆朗玛峰。
It's like the four minute mile before anybody broke the four minute mile.
这就像有人打破四分钟一英里之前的四分钟一英里。
It's a food whose very existence depended on mistreating an animal and ignoring what nature wanted.
这种食物的存在依赖于虐待动物和忽视自然的需求。
To make it in a natural way seemed impossible.
以自然的方式做到这一点似乎是不可能的。
For somebody like Dan, who wanted to raise animals and vegetables in the most natural way, it was like Eduardo had flown to the moon and walked on its surface.
对于像 Dan 这样想要以最自然的方式饲养动物和蔬菜的人来说，这就像 Eduardo 飞到月球并在其表面行走一样。
And Dan wanted to go there too.
丹也想去那里。
So he decides he's going to try to make foie gras.
所以他决定尝试制作鹅肝。
He's going to try to make it.
他会努力做到这一点。
He's going to try to make it Eduardo's way at the farm where his food is raised.
他将在种植食物的农场尝试按照爱德华多的方式行事。
And they get some geese.
他们得到了一些鹅。
And OK, here is how hard it is to try to learn something new.
好吧，这就是尝试学习新东西是多么困难。
They raised these geese.
他们饲养了这些鹅。
We killed them and the livers were ping-pong balls.
我们杀了他们，肝脏就像乒乓球一样。
Nothing.
没有什么。
Nothing.
没有什么。
And I remember looking at them and just-- I was a little embarrassed.
我记得看着他们，我有点尴尬。
And I remember this [BLEEP] fish cook was like, well, it looks like "failed gras" to me.
我记得这个[BLEEP]鱼厨师就像，嗯，对我来说它看起来像是“失败的烤肉”。
I'll always remember that.
我会永远记住这一点。
Steve, the fish cook-- looks like failed gras to me, dude.
史蒂夫，那个做鱼的厨师——在我看来就像是失败的草，伙计。
OK, so what went wrong?
好的，那么出了什么问题呢？
Well, for starters, Dan and the livestock manager of the farm that he's at, Craig Haney, have a much bigger predator problem than Eduardo has.
首先，丹和他所在农场的牲畜经理克雷格·哈尼面临着比爱德华多更大的掠食者问题。
They have lots of coyotes.
他们有很多土狼。
So they didn't see a way to raise the animals without fences protecting them.
所以他们找不到在没有围栏保护的情况下饲养动物的方法。
Second, and probably more important, New York State is a lot colder than Spain.
其次，也许更重要的是，纽约州比西班牙冷得多。
So during winter months when Eduardo has tons of vegetation for the geese to feed on, geese on Dan's farm-- they'd starve.
因此，在冬季，当爱德华多有大量植被供鹅食用时，丹农场里的鹅就会挨饿。
Which means, in the end, Dan's geese had fences and they were fed meals.
这意味着，最终，丹的鹅有了栅栏，它们得到了食物。
And I called Eduardo again and that's when he was just like-- he said, oh no, they'll never-- this isn't going to work.
我再次打电话给爱德华多，就在那时他就像——他说，哦不，他们永远不会——这行不通。
It's just not going to work.
这是行不通的。
Year two they did a few things differently.
第二年他们做了一些不同的事情。
For starters, rather than buy geese and have them shipped in, which totally lets the geese know they are not wild, they're like, OK, the geese need to be born here on the farm.
对于初学者来说，与其购买鹅并将它们运进来，这完全让鹅知道它们不是野生的，不如说，好吧，鹅需要在农场出生。
Dan asks Eduardo to come to the United States and help him and Craig get going with this.
丹请求爱德华多来美国帮助他和克雷格解决这个问题。
Eduardo arrives in the US.
爱德华多抵达美国。
And first stop-- the incubation room.
第一站——孵化室。
It was cold outside and of course, you wouldn't want to throw a newly-hatched chick out into the snow, right?
外面很冷，你当然不想把刚孵出来的小鸡扔到雪里，对吧？
So they built this room to be all snug and warm for eggs to hatch and the babies to live.
因此，他们建造了这个舒适温暖的房间，以便鸡蛋孵化和婴儿居住。
And so we walk in and Eduardo's eyes just go like that when he sees it.
当我们走进去时，Eduardo 看到它时，他的眼神就是这样。
And one of Craig's assistants, one of the animal husbandry guys, sticks his hand to grab a baby chick-- in to grab it and have Eduardo look at it, at how healthy it was.
克雷格的一位助手，一位畜牧业人员，伸手去抓一只小鸡——抓住它，让爱德华多看看它有多健康。
And Eduardo goes, [GASP.] I was like, what the hell's going on?
Eduardo 说道，[喘息]我当时想，到底发生了什么事？
And Eduardo said, if you touch the chick, the oil from your hands will communicate love and domestication, protection.
爱德华多说，如果你触摸小鸡，你手上的油会传达爱、驯化和保护。
So they'll never get perfectly wild.
所以他们永远不会变得完全狂野。
He then backtracked and said, you can't have an incubation room because-- I remember what he said which is, if you're trying to create Rambo, you don't coddle him when he's born.
然后他回来说，你不能有孵化室，因为——我记得他说的是，如果你想创造兰博，当他出生时你就不会溺爱他。
You make him Rambo-ish by giving him the experiences to fight to be Rambo.
你通过给他为成为兰博而奋斗的经验，让他变得像兰博一样。
And what we were doing was coddling and protecting.
我们所做的就是溺爱和保护。
And from that moment, we were cooked.
从那一刻起，我们就熟了。
Done.
完毕。
So year three-- get rid of the incubation.
所以第三年——摆脱孵化。
Eduardo style all the way.
爱德华多风格自始至终。
Rambo.
兰博。
Dan Barber Rambo.
丹·巴伯·兰博。
Do you know how hard it is, first of all, to get the males and the females together?
你知道首先让雄性和雌性在一起有多难吗？
Like together at the right time to get them impregnated?
就像在合适的时间一起让他们受孕？
This is not easy stuff.
这不是一件容易的事。
Like if you've ever seen a male goose have sex with a female goose, it is barbaric, incredibly loud, and incredibly brutal.
就像你见过一只雄鹅与一只雌鹅交配一样，这是野蛮的、令人难以置信的大声和令人难以置信的残忍。
Brutal.
野蛮。
They tear the hair out.
他们把头发扯下来。
They mount the lady goose and they tear-- they eat the hair out of the head of the female to show their superiority.
它们骑上母鹅，然后撕扯——吃掉母鹅头上的头发，以显示自己的优越感。
And the female's bleeding and bludgeoned.
雌性流血并被殴打。
And they do that all day in the spring.
他们在春天一整天都这样做。
It is barbaric.
这是野蛮的。
And the visitors to Stone Barns would see this.
来到石谷仓的游客会看到这一点。
It was crazy.
太疯狂了。
These nicey little people, these nice people out for their day with the children in the country.
这些可爱的小人，这些好人，和乡下的孩子们一起度过了美好的一天。
Squeaming.
尖叫声。
Squeaming lady geese.
尖叫的鹅女士。
And the strutting males and the fighting males-- it was like Fight Club.
还有昂首阔步的男性和好斗的男性——这就像《搏击俱乐部》。
So they got eggs.
于是他们就得到了鸡蛋。
They layed the eggs.
他们产下了蛋。
And the lady geese did not sit on the damn eggs.
母鹅并没有坐在该死的蛋上。
I'll give you my theory-- it's that our breed of goose that we were using-- the instinct for a mother to sit on their eggs has been bred out of them after all these years, because everyone incubates their eggs.
我给你我的理论——我们用的鹅品种——这么多年过去了，母鹅坐在蛋上的本能已经消失了，因为每个人都会孵化自己的蛋。
If birds don't sit on their eggs, of course, the chicks don't form inside properly.
当然，如果鸟儿不坐在蛋上，小鸡就无法在里面正常形成。
So year three-- also a bust.
所以第三年——也是一个半身像。
It just goes to show you.
它只是向您展示。
When you try to do things nature's way, well, nature has its own idea.
当你尝试按照自然的方式做事时，自然有它自己的想法。
Nature is not obedient little birdies having sex the way that we would want them to on a schedule that we would prefer and then gorging out on the right amount of food at the right time.
大自然并不是听话的小鸟，按照我们希望的方式按照我们喜欢的时间表进行性行为，然后在正确的时间狼吞虎咽地吃掉正确数量的食物。
After three years that could not be clearer.
三年后，这一点再清楚不过了。
This coming year, they're trying again with a different breed of goose.
今年，他们将再次尝试使用不同品种的鹅。
And Dan is hoping to fence off a big swath of forest, an acre or half an acre, enough area so that the geese will hopefully feel like they are wild animals.
丹希望用栅栏围起一大片森林，一英亩或半英亩，足够的面积，这样鹅们就有希望感觉自己是野生动物。
But at the same time, they'll still be protected from coyotes.
但与此同时，它们仍然会受到保护，免受郊狼的侵害。
And when they put out feed for them, they're going to scatter the stuff around at random times, so the geese will just find the feed and not know that humans are there feeding them.
当他们给鹅提供饲料时，他们会随机地把东西撒在周围，这样鹅就会找到饲料，而不知道人类在那里喂它们。
Dan, at this point, cannot help but notice how expensive all this is.
此时丹不禁注意到这一切是多么昂贵。
Even if you could make foie gras this way-- even if it works-- it may be so labor-intensive and cost so much that it is just not worth it.
即使你可以用这种方法制作鹅肝——即使它有效——但它可能是劳动密集型的，而且成本很高，所以根本不值得。
He's not entirely sure that Eduardo makes profit on his foie gras.
他并不完全确定 Eduardo 靠他的鹅肝赚钱。
And then there's this-- Eduardo loses 30% of his birds to predators.
然后，Eduardo 的 30% 的鸟儿都被掠食者夺走了。
Dan says that given the conditions in New York, he's bound to lose more.
丹说，考虑到纽约的情况，他肯定会失去更多。
That is a lot of birds to sacrifice to get the few Rambos who are going to thrive and survive and give him foie gras.
为了让少数兰博能够茁壮成长并生存下来并给他鹅肝，需要牺牲很多鸟。
And even Dan wonders sometimes-- so many birds dying out there in the cold, is that really less cruel than gavage?
甚至丹有时也会想——这么多鸟儿在寒冷中死去，这真的比强饲更残忍吗？
[MUSIC- "DON'T FENCE ME IN" BY LOUIS ARMSTRONG AND HIS ALL STARS]
[音乐 - 路易斯·阿姆斯特朗和他的全明星的《别围攻我》]
Our program was produced today by Brian Reed with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Sarah Koenig, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, Alyssa Schip, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Brian Reed 与 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Sarah Koenig、Jonathan Menjivar、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semien、Alyssa Schip 和 Nancy Updike 共同制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Seth Lind is our production manager.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的生产经理。
Emily Condon is our office manager.
艾米丽·康登 (Emily Condon) 是我们的办公室经理。
Production help from Mickey Meek, scouting help from the Elna Baker, music help from Damien Gray and from Rob Gettes.
米奇·米克 (Mickey Meek) 提供制作帮助，埃尔娜·贝克 (Elna Baker) 提供星探帮助，达米安·格雷 (Damien Gray) 和罗布·盖茨 (Rob Gettes) 提供音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website, where we have a holiday merch sale going on-- posters, DVDs, CDs, all on sale, also we just added a USB drive full of interviews that I did onstage with people like Rachel Maddow, Michael Lewis, Joss Whedon, Philip Glass many, many, more-- plus, of course, all of our old shows for free on the website www.thisamericanlife.org.
[鸣谢] 我们的网站正在进行节日商品促销活动——海报、DVD、CD，全部都在出售，而且我们刚刚添加了一个 USB 驱动器，里面装满了我在舞台上与 Rachel Maddow、Michael Lewis、Joss Whedon、Philip Glass 等许多人进行的采访——当然，还有网站 www.thisamericanlife.org 上免费提供的所有旧节目。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的项目进行 WBEZ 管理监督。
He's got this new way that he delivers our staff evaluations to us.
他采用了一种新的方式向我们提供员工评估。
He likes to print them out, roll them up--
他喜欢把它们打印出来，卷起来——
Into little, tiny, bead-sized balls and put those into the braids in his hair.
分成小而微小的珠子大小的球，然后将它们编入他的发辫中。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life .
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。