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Prologue Ira Glass So two years ago, we did an episode of our show from Penn State University.

序言 Ira Glass 两年前，我们在宾夕法尼亚州立大学制作了节目的一集。

And one of our producers, Sarah Koenig, was in Paternoville.

我们的制片人之一莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 就在帕特诺维尔。

Paternoville is the tent village of students that springs up before every home football game there, not far from the statue of Joe Paterno, the coach, which is outside of Beaver Stadium.

帕特诺维尔是学生们的帐篷村，每场主场足球比赛前都会出现，距离比弗体育场外的教练乔·帕特诺的雕像不远。

The students sleep out in the cold for a couple nights until the game so they get the best seats.

学生们在寒冷的天气里睡了几个晚上，直到比赛开始，这样他们才能得到最好的座位。

This was right before they played Iowa State.

这是他们对阵爱荷华州立大学之前的事情。

Ladies and gentlemen in Paternoville!

帕特诺维尔的女士们先生们！

In 24 hours from now, we will already be up 40 points on Iowa!

24 小时后，我们将领先爱荷华州 40 个百分点！

Hey [UNINTELLIGIBLE], what time is it?

嘿[听不清]，现在几点了？

10:43!

10:43！

And Michigan still sucks!

密歇根州仍然很糟糕！

Michigan-- [CROWD SINGS]

密歇根州——[人群歌唱]

This is just how much Penn State hates Michigan.

这就是宾夕法尼亚州立大学多么讨厌密歇根州。

They're not even playing Michigan the next day, and they still need to express how much they suck.

他们第二天甚至不会对阵密歇根州，但他们仍然需要表达他们有多糟糕。

So after hanging out for a while with students who are telling her what football means to them, what Penn State means to them-- in both cases, a lot-- somebody asked Sarah--

因此，在与学生们闲逛一段时间后，他们告诉她足球对他们意味着什么，宾夕法尼亚州立大学对他们意味着什么——在这两种情况下，都意味着很多——有人问莎拉——

All right, so hang on, you've been firing questions.

好吧，等等，你一直在提出问题。

How are you feeling right Now you're sitting here around a bunch of drunk college kids.

你感觉怎么样？现在你坐在一群醉酒的大学生周围。

You're like overwhelmed and surprised at our answers, because you--

你对我们的答案感到不知所措和惊讶，因为你——

I'm very surprised at how you genuinely enthusiastic you are about this school.

我对你对这所学校如此真诚的热情感到非常惊讶。

I've never felt that way about any school-- what's surprising is that you guys aren't, like, cynical about the university at all.

我从来没有对任何学校有过这样的感觉——令人惊讶的是你们对大学根本没有愤世嫉俗。

Like you're just into it.

就像你刚刚投入其中一样。

There's nothing to be cynical about.

没有什么可愤世嫉俗的。

They deal with every situation perfectly.

他们完美地处理每一种情况。

They deal with every situation perfectly.

他们完美地处理每一种情况。

That's how it looked in 2009.

这就是 2009 年的情况。

This girl's friends immediately tease her-- well, maybe not every situation.

这个女孩的朋友立即取笑她——好吧，也许不是所有情况。

But basically, they agree.

但基本上，他们都同意。

And if you know much about Penn State, you know why it is they feel that way.

如果你对宾夕法尼亚州立大学了解很多，你就会知道他们为什么会有这样的感觉。

Coach Joe Paterno's grand experiment was to create a football program that would not only win games, the players would be the kind of students who take academics seriously.

乔·帕特诺教练的伟大实验是创建一个足球项目，不仅能赢得比赛，而且球员也能成为认真对待学业的学生。

They'd be held accountable for going to class.

他们要为上课负责。

"Success with honor" was its motto.

“荣誉的成功”是它的座右铭。

Back in 2009, when we did that show, I asked some students what made Penn State football special?

早在 2009 年，当我们做那个节目时，我问一些学生是什么让宾夕法尼亚州立大学橄榄球如此特别？

And the answer was immediate, it was obvious.

答案是立即的、显而易见的。

Joe Paterno.

乔·帕特诺.

Joe Paterno is what brings a lot of the-- it's like we pride ourselves on the things that Joe Paterno preaches.

乔·帕特诺带来了很多——就好像我们为乔·帕特诺所宣扬的事情感到自豪。

Yeah, graduation rates is a big thing JoePa-- we have one of the highest-- I think we have the highest percent--

是的，毕业率是一件大事，乔帕——我们是最高的之一——我认为我们的百分比是最高的——

82%-- Male Student 4 Highest in the Big Ten, definitely.

82%——男学生 4 绝对是十大中最高的。

They told me fans are supposed to keep a certain code of behavior toward their rivals.

他们告诉我球迷应该对他们的对手保持一定的行为准则。

Players aren't allowed to gloat when they do well.

球员们不可以在表现出色时沾沾自喜。

Yeah, I'll never forget-- one of our players flipped into the end zone scoring a touchdown and got a 15-yard excessive celebration for that.

是的，我永远不会忘记——我们的一名球员冲进达阵区达阵，并因此得到了 15 码的庆祝。

Joe Paterno-- I mean, he's an old man, but he got down the sideline in that kid's face right away, saying, let's do sportsmanship.

乔·帕特诺（Joe Paterno）——我的意思是，他是个老人了，但他立刻在边线那孩子面前说，让我们发挥体育精神吧。

Exactly.

确切地。

This is a point of pride for them.

这是他们值得骄傲的一点。

Our sports program does things right.

我们的体育项目做得很好。

And this, all of this?

还有这个，这一切？

This is what went to hell in the last two weeks with the charges that former Penn State Assistant Coach Jerry Sandusky sexually abused boys and Penn state officials knew.

这就是过去两周发生的事情，前宾夕法尼亚州立大学助理教练杰里桑达斯基性虐待男孩的指控和宾夕法尼亚州立大学官员都知道。

If you followed the news even a little bit, you've heard the charges from the grand jury's report.

如果你稍微关注一下新闻，你就会从大陪审团的报告中听到这些指控。

Most damning, Assistant Coach Mike McQueary says that back in 2002, he walked in on Sandusky in the locker room shower-- the grand jury report doesn't use the word "raping," but that's plainly what they're talking about-- raping a boy of about ten years old.

最可恶的是，助理教练迈克·麦奎里说，早在2002年，他就在更衣室淋浴时走进了桑达斯基——大陪审团的报告中没有使用“强奸”这​​个词，但这显然就是他们正在谈论的——强奸了一个大约十岁的男孩。

McQueary then told Coach Paterno what he saw.

麦奎里随后告诉帕特诺教练他所看到的情况。

Paterno did not call the police, but testified that he instead told the head of the athletic program, Tim Curley, and Penn State administrator Gary Schultz.

帕特诺没有报警，但作证说他告诉了体育项目负责人蒂姆·柯利和宾夕法尼亚州立大学行政长官加里·舒尔茨。

They did not go to the police either.

他们也没有去报警。

Instead, they banned Sandusky from bringing children into the locker room.

相反，他们禁止桑达斯基带孩子进入更衣室。

That was it.

就是这样。

Schultz testified that the university's president, Graham Spanier, approved that decision.

舒尔茨作证说，该大学校长格雷厄姆·斯潘尼尔批准了这一决定。

Spanier, Schultz, and Curley had their own side of the story.

斯潘尼尔、舒尔茨和柯利对这个故事有自己的看法。

They claim that they had not been told that Sandusky was actually having sex with a child.

他们声称，他们没有被告知桑达斯基实际上正在与一个孩子发生性关系。

They didn't know that it went that far.

他们不知道事情已经发展到了这种地步。

The grand jury notes in its report that it did not find Tim Curley and Gary Schultz's testimony to be entirely credible.

大陪审团在报告中指出，他们认为蒂姆·柯利和加里·舒尔茨的证词并不完全可信。

At Penn State, all this news has been like a bomb going off.

在宾夕法尼亚州立大学，所有这些消息就像一颗炸弹爆炸了。

As you probably heard, students rioted.

正如您可能听说的那样，学生发生骚乱。

And then everybody regrouped and tried to figure out what to make of it all.

然后每个人都重新聚集起来，试图弄清楚这一切是怎么回事。

Today on our radio program, we're going to spend the hour at Penn State, try to capture what it feels like there right now.

今天，在我们的广播节目中，我们将在宾夕法尼亚州立大学度过一个小时，尝试捕捉那里现在的感觉。

And it is pretty extreme.

这是相当极端的。

It really is like people's world has been turned upside down.

人们的世界真是天翻地覆了。

For context, later in the hour, we're going to hear some excerpts from our original 2009 program about Penn State, which people have been Tweeting and emailing about in the last two weeks, because it gives a sense of just how intense the culture of football is at Penn State.

作为背景，稍后，我们将听到 2009 年有关宾夕法尼亚州立大学的原始节目的一些摘录，人们在过去两周内一直在推特和电子邮件中讨论该节目，因为它让人感觉到宾夕法尼亚州立大学的足球文化有多么强烈。

You see why everybody's feelings are running so high.

你明白为什么每个人的情绪都如此高涨。

From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.

这是来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

So our producer Sarah Koenig lives in State College, in the town that is the home of Penn State.

所以我们的制片人莎拉·科尼格住在宾夕法尼亚州立大学所在地的州立学院。

And she says it has been a weird two weeks.

她说这两周很奇怪。

Here's what it's like to live here right now.

这就是现在住在这里的感觉。

100,000 people are having the same conversation at the same time, everywhere they go.

100,000 人在同一时间进行相同的对话，无论他们走到哪里。

I'm overhearing them in line at the coffee shop, at my son's Taekwondo class, in a neighbor's driveway, as people walk down the sidewalk, talking on their cell phones.

我无意中听到他们在咖啡店、我儿子的跆拳道课上、邻居的车道上排队，人们走在人行道上，用手机通话。

The weekly newsletter from my kids' school began, "In light of the truly tragic events," et cetera.

我孩子学校的每周通讯开始是“鉴于真正的悲惨事件”等等。

And I'm having these conversations myself with everyone I know, and with many people I don't know.

我自己正在与我认识的每个人以及许多我不认识的人进行这些对话。

Like the guy behind the counter at Kinko's, who told me he didn't want to talk about it, and then we talked about it for 15 minutes.

就像 Kinko's 柜台后面的那个人一样，他告诉我他不想谈论这件事，然后我们讨论了 15 分钟。

We can't stop.

我们不能停下来。

Because what happened here makes no sense.

因为这里发生的事情毫无意义。

I can almost see how it happened.

我几乎可以看到它是如何发生的。

Almost.

几乎。

This is Nancy Weinreb.

这是南希·温雷布。

She's lived here for more than 30 years, worked in the university library.

她在这里住了30多年，在大学图书馆工作。

Her husband is a professor of organic chemistry, and she knows all the higher-ups involved in this thing.

她丈夫是有机化学教授，参与这件事的高层她都认识。

Maybe not well, but just socially, or knows people who knows them.

也许不太好，但只是在社交方面，或者认识认识他们的人。

The Spaniers, the Curleys, the Schultzes, She knows Mrs. Schultz.

西班牙人、柯利一家、舒尔茨一家，她认识舒尔茨夫人。

I really-- it's hard.

我真的——很难。

It's hard to understand, though.

但这很难理解。

It's hard to understand how the leadership-- I mean, very good people and good men could not do what they should have done.

很难理解领导层——我的意思是，非常优秀的人和优秀的人为什么不能做他们应该做的事情。

Because you do you think of them as good men.

因为你认为他们是好人。

Mmhm.

嗯。

I do.

我愿意。

Sarah Koenig And do you still?

莎拉·柯尼格 你还这样吗？

Well, I think they were terribly wrong.

嗯，我认为他们大错特错了。

But yes, I guess I do.

但是，是的，我想我知道。

Yeah.

是的。

Are you surprised to hear yourself say you still think of them as good men?

当你听到自己说你仍然认为他们是好人时，你是否感到惊讶？

Yes.

是的。

Yes, I am surprised to hear myself think that, yes.

是的，我很惊讶地听到自己这么想，是的。

I've heard of a few people who compared this thing to 9/11, which seems melodramatic to me, but in one way, I do see the similarity.

我听说有一些人将这件事与 9/11 进行比较，这对我来说似乎有些夸张，但在某种程度上，我确实看到了相似之处。

This feeling of the whole place suddenly seeming unreal, off its axis.

整个地方突然显得不真实，偏离了轴线。

Because how could good men turn out to be bad men?

因为好人怎么会变成坏人呢？

And obviously I don't mean Sandusky here.

显然我这里指的不是桑达斯基。

People have no ambivalence about Sandusky.

人们对桑达斯基没有矛盾心理。

The confusion is all about the guys around Sandusky, who appear to have let the alleged crimes go on.

混乱的根源在于桑达斯基周围的人，他们似乎让这些所谓的犯罪行为继续发生。

I met Nancy Weinreb through her son, Michael Weinreb.

我通过南希·温雷布的儿子迈克尔·温雷布认识了她。

Michael is a sportswriter.

迈克尔是一位体育记者。

He wrote a book all about football in the 1980s, a large chunk of which is about Penn State, actually.

他在 20 世纪 80 年代写了一本关于橄榄球的书，实际上其中很大一部分是关于宾夕法尼亚州立大学的。

And he's a columnist for this new online magazine called Grantland.

他是一本名为《Grantland》的新在线杂志的专栏作家。

He's been writing great columns since the story erupted two weeks ago.

自从两周前这个故事爆发以来，他一直在撰写精彩的专栏。

At least half a dozen people told me about them.

至少有六人告诉我他们的事。

They're circulating like crazy here.

他们在这里疯狂地流传。

Because he's a local, and he's just as disoriented as we are.

因为他是当地人，他和我们一样迷失方向。

In one of the columns, he wrote, "I can't add a lot to what's been written about the facts of the burgeoning scandal at Penn State, except to tell you how strange it feels to type the phrase 'burgeoning scandal at Penn State.' I know that I'm too emotionally attached to the situation to offer any kind of objective take, though I don't think I realized how emotionally attached I was until this occurred."

他在其中一篇专栏中写道，“我无法对有关宾夕法尼亚州立大学丑闻不断蔓延的事实添加太多内容，只是想告诉你，输入‘宾夕法尼亚州立大学丑闻不断蔓延’这个词的感觉是多么奇怪。”我知道我对这种情况过于感情用事，无法提供任何客观的看法，尽管我认为在这件事发生之前我并没有意识到自己有多感情用事。”

In another column, he tells a story his mom told him last weekend.

在另一篇专栏中，他讲述了他妈妈上周末告诉他的一个故事。

Quote, "I think it explains as well as anything how jarring this is for a community that has never experienced such a complete and utter shock to its system.

引用：“我认为这也解释了对于一个从未经历过对其系统如此彻底和彻底冲击的社区来说，这是多么的不和谐。

My mother's friends-- let us call them the Xes-- are cordial with Graham Spanier, the university president who lost his job a few days before.

我母亲的朋友们——让我们称他们为“X”——对几天前失业的大学校长格雷厄姆·斯潘尼尔很友善。

So last week, Mrs. X baked a coffee cake, got in her car, sweet-talked the security guard stationed in the Spaniers' driveway, and dropped it off at the front door.

因此，上周，X 女士烤了一块咖啡蛋糕，钻进车里，与驻扎在西班牙人队车道上的保安甜言蜜语，然后把蛋糕放在了前门。

It was not meant to condone anything Spanier had done.

这并不是要宽恕西班牙人所做的任何事情。

It was merely a way of acknowledging-- well, honestly, I don't know what the hell it was meant to acknowledge, and the Xes didn't, either.

这只是一种承认的方式——好吧，老实说，我不知道这到底意味着什么，而X们也不知道。

But it's just something you do in small towns, isn't it?" Unquote.

但这只是在小镇里才会做的事，不是吗？”取消引用。

I understand that.

我明白这一点。

What do you do when a massive child rape scandal hits your town?

当大规模的儿童强奸丑闻袭击您所在的城镇时，您会怎么做？

So I called Michael up.

所以我给迈克尔打电话。

We met last Friday at the giant vigil in front of Old Main, Penn State's admin building.

我们上周五在宾夕法尼亚州立大学行政大楼旧主楼前的大型守夜活动中见面。

Students organized it to recognize sex abuse victims.

学生组织这次活动是为了表彰性虐待受害者。

We talked about, what else, Penn State football.

我们还讨论了宾夕法尼亚州立大学橄榄球。

I mean, I do watch all the games.

我的意思是，我确实观看了所有比赛。

Like, we went on our honeymoon in Greece this year, and I found myself following the football game on my cell phone at 10 o'clock at night, feeling like an idiot for doing it.

比如，今年我们去希腊度蜜月，我发现自己在晚上 10 点用手机观看足球比赛，感觉自己像个白痴。

Sitting in a hotel lobby in Athens, and I'm following a football game on my cell phone.

我坐在雅典的一家酒店大堂里，用手机观看一场足球比赛。

It was freezing.

天很冷。

We walked to his friend Ryan's car.

我们走到他朋友瑞安的车旁。

Michael lives in New York City now, and he'd come back here to go to Saturday's game, and to just be here, to see what it felt like to be back home.

迈克尔现在住在纽约市，他会回到这里观看周六的比赛，并且只是呆在这里，看看回到家的感觉如何。

He grew up in town, went to Penn State, wrote for the school paper.

他在城里长大，去了宾夕法尼亚州立大学，为校报撰稿。

And he's quick to issue the following disclaimer.

他很快发布了以下免责声明。

He is fully aware that this whole ordeal isn't about him.

他完全意识到这整个磨难与他无关。

It's about little kids who were hideously abused, and how it affected him personally, obviously, that does not matter one way or the other.

这是关于遭受可怕虐待的小孩子，以及这对他个人的影响，显然，这并不重要。

And yet, like so many people from State College, he's been deeply freaked out ever since he heard about this thing.

然而，就像州立学院的许多人一样，自从他听说这件事后，他就被深深地吓坏了。

It doesn't make any sense.

这没有任何意义。

It just doesn't compute.

它只是不会计算。

So that's a lot of what I was talking about my parents, too, is just how that part of it-- it just doesn't-- it just goes against everything that you thought you understood, you know?

所以这就是我谈论我父母的很多内容，就是其中的一部分 - 它只是不 - 它只是违背了你认为你理解的一切，你知道吗？

I just-- I don't know.

我只是——我不知道。

I keep waking up every morning and thinking that it's a dream.

我每天早上醒来都以为这是一个梦。

It still doesn't seem real.

看起来仍然不真实。

I was expecting to come up here and it to feel different in some way, but it's still the same place, you know?

我本来以为来到这里会有某种不同的感觉，但它仍然是同一个地方，你知道吗？

Like I don't even know why I'm here, or what I'm supposed to be writing, or what I'm supposed to be doing at this point.

就像我什至不知道我为什么在这里，或者我应该写什么，或者我此时应该做什么。

We drove over to the football stadium to see if kids were camping out before the game at Paternoville.

我们开车去了足球场，看看孩子们是否在帕特诺维尔比赛前露营。

There was almost no one there.

那里几乎没有人。

It was too cold.

天气太冷了。

Just two tents were still up, and one had blown over backwards, like a helpless beetle.

只有两顶帐篷还立着，其中一顶已经被风吹倒了，就像一只无助的甲虫。

The three of us, Michael, Ryan, and I, ended up talking until 1:30 in the morning.

我、迈克尔、瑞安和我三个人一直聊到凌晨 1:30。

Like I said earlier, you just can't stop.

就像我之前说的，你就是停不下来。

For my part, I'm basically rubbernecking, upset and appalled by the crash.

就我而言，我基本上对这次事故感到焦躁、不安和震惊。

Michael, though, it's like he's in the pile-up.

然而迈克尔，他好像陷入了连环车祸。

His memory is tangled up with this mess.

他的记忆与这片混乱纠缠在一起。

With Paterno, with football.

和帕特诺一起，和足球一起。

He's here to figure out if he can untangle it.

他来这里是为了弄清楚他是否能解开这一切。

He's worried his past, his childhood, might be contaminated by all this stuff.

他担心他的过去、他的童年可能会被所有这些东西污染。

And so a lot of the good memories I have, you know, father-son stuff that-- I'm starting to sound like it's Field of Dreams or something all of a sudden.

我有很多美好的回忆，你知道，父子的东西——我开始听起来像是《梦想之地》之类的东西。

But I don't know how that stuff changes.

但我不知道这些东西会如何改变。

I don't know if it changes, you know?

不知道会不会改变，你知道吗？

When I think of, like, Penn State beating Nebraska in 1982, and like my dad lifting me on his shoulders, because I couldn't see anything, because everybody was standing up-- and then the last play of the game-- that was like one of the few times I've seen my dad actually shout and get excited about something.

当我想起 1982 年宾夕法尼亚州立大学击败内布拉斯加州大学时，我爸爸把我举在他的肩膀上，因为我什么也看不见，因为每个人都站起来了——然后是比赛的最后一场比赛——那是我为数不多的几次看到我父亲大喊大叫并为某事感到兴奋的情况。

But I don't know.

但我不知道。

I don't know how it will affect all that stuff.

我不知道这将如何影响所有这些事情。

Because Joe Paterno is there.

因为乔·帕特诺在那里。

He was an integral part of all that stuff.

他是所有这些东西中不可或缺的一部分。

I don't know if you noticed how easily he referenced that Penn State-Nebraska game from 1982.

我不知道你是否注意到他很容易提到 1982 年宾夕法尼亚州立大学与内布拉斯加州大学的比赛。

I heard Michael do this over and over.

我听到迈克尔一遍又一遍地这样做。

Football is how he marks time, an organizing principle for his life.

足球是他打发时间的方式，是他生活的组织原则。

He remembers watching the Sugar Bowl in 1979 in the family room when he was 6, and then going outside in the snow with his next door neighbor and replaying the game so Penn State would win.

他记得 1979 年，他 6 岁的时候在家里观看了糖碗比赛，然后和隔壁邻居一起在雪地里重玩比赛，以便宾夕法尼亚州立大学获胜。

"To this day," he wrote one of his recent columns, "When I try to recall the combination of my gym locker, or a friend's birthday, or the license plate of my rental car, I think in terms of uniform numbers.

“直到今天，”他在最近的一篇专栏中写道，“当我试图回忆起我的健身房储物柜、朋友的生日或我租来的汽车的车牌的组合时，我都会用统一的数字来思考。

It's not 31-17-03.

这不是 2003 年 17 月 31 日。

It's Shane Conlan, Harry Hamilton, Chip La Barca."

这是肖恩·康兰、哈里·汉密尔顿、奇普·拉·巴萨。”

Penn State played Miami here, and they got killed.

宾夕法尼亚州立大学在这里对阵迈阿密大学，但他们被杀了。

And I think that was the last game before September 11.

我认为那是 9 月 11 日之前的最后一场比赛。

For some reason, I just marked it-- I remember going to the first game, I think it was the first game after September 11, when they played Wisconsin.

出于某种原因，我只是标记了它 - 我记得去看第一场比赛，我认为这是 9 月 11 日之后的第一场比赛，当时他们对阵威斯康星州。

I find this a little crazy, and so does he, that he's bookended September 11 with Penn State football games.

我觉得这有点疯狂，他也是如此，因为他预定了 9 月 11 日结束的宾夕法尼亚州立大学橄榄球比赛。

And he will, no doubt, mark this thing happening now with tomorrow's game against Nebraska.

毫无疑问，他将在明天对阵内布拉斯加州的比赛中见证这件事的发生。

Here's what he wrote in another column.

这是他在另一篇专栏中写的内容。

"I do not believe Paterno deserves our sympathy right now, and in fact, I walked around State College this weekend supremely pissed off that he did not live up to the standards he would like us to believe he set for himself.

“我认为帕特诺现在不值得我们同情，事实上，这个周末我在州立学院走来走去，非常生气，因为他没有达到他希望我们相信他为自己设定的标准。

And I was not alone in that sentiment.

我并不是唯一有这种想法的人。

And yet when I saw those televised shots of his house on McKee Street, something caught in my throat.

然而，当我看到他在麦基街的房子的电视画面时，我的喉咙里有什么东西哽住了。

The conditioned response to a man I've been raised to believe is the moral arbiter of our community."

对我从小就相信的一个人的条件性反应是我们社区的道德仲裁者。”

And of course, Michael's not alone in this.

当然，迈克尔并不是唯一一个这样做的人。

In State College, confusion has seeped into everyone's house.

在州立学院，混乱已经渗透到每个人的家里。

You can't believe it happened, or that it happened the way they're saying it happened in the grand jury report.

你无法相信它发生了，或者它按照大陪审团报告中所说的方式发生了。

There must be something we don't know, some key moment, some key insight, some key fact that will make it add up.

一定有一些我们不知道的事情，一些关键时刻，一些关键洞察力，一些关键事实，这些都会使它加起来。

So thousands and thousands of people here, including me, are turning over theories.

所以这里成千上万的人，包括我在内，都在推翻理论。

A former State College cop told me the other day, the football program is run like the mafia, and Paterno is the godfather.

一位前州立大学警察有一天告诉我，橄榄球项目的运作就像黑手党一样，而帕特诺是教父。

This cop had had suspicions about Sandusky for years, saw him hug a Little League kid a little too enthusiastically one time, and had seen him hanging around high school sports events, and had actually spoken to Sandusky about it, asked him, why exactly was he there?

这位警察多年来一直对桑达斯基抱有怀疑，有一次看到他过于热情地拥抱了一个少年棒球联盟的孩子，还看到他在高中体育赛事中闲逛，并且实际上与桑达斯基谈过这件事，问他，他到底为什么在那里？

So this cop things Paterno and all the others around the football program must've known for a long time.

所以帕特诺和足球项目中的所有其他人一定早就知道这个警察的事情了。

Paterno obviously has a lot of defenders, too, or at least people looking very hard for a reason not to condemn him.

帕特诺显然也有很多捍卫者，或者至少人们非常努力地寻找不谴责他的理由。

I met a football fan slash Penn State Law student named Chris who said he and all his friends in the law program are very skeptical of the grand jury report.

我遇到了一位名叫克里斯的宾夕法尼亚州立大学法学院学生，他说他和他所有法律项目的朋友都对大陪审团的报告非常怀疑。

Grand jury reports are supposed to be one-sided, he said, and there are so many inconsistencies.

他说，大陪审团的报告应该是片面的，而且存在很多不一致的地方。

It could be complete reversal.

这可能是彻底的逆转。

We may find out, hypothetically, that Tim Curley and Gary Schultz are telling the truth, and it's in fact Mike McQueary who is lying.

假设我们可能会发现蒂姆·柯利和加里·舒尔茨说的是真话，而事实上迈克·麦奎里在撒谎。

And this woman, Lori, an alum and Paterno devotee who I met at the vigil last Friday-- she can't believe Paterno would have just let this go.

这位女士，洛里，我上周五在守夜活动中遇到的一位校友和帕特诺信徒——她不敢相信帕特诺会就这样放手。

Maybe, maybe he was told that things were being followed up on, and he was under the impression that they were, but they weren't.

也许，也许他被告知事情正在跟进，他的印象是事情正在跟进，但事实并非如此。

I've heard people blame the cops for being in collusion with Penn State.

我听说人们指责警察与宾夕法尼亚州立大学勾结。

I've heard cock-a-mamie theories, like people saying, this is all because the Pennsylvania AG wanted to take down Spanier, who fought publicly with the governor over funding earlier this year.

我听过一些荒唐的理论，就像人们说的那样，这都是因为宾夕法尼亚州总检察长想要拿下西班牙人，西班牙人今年早些时候就资金问题与州长公开斗争。

The governor, who used to be the AG.

州长，曾经是总检察长。

I've heard that Paterno promoted Mike McQueary so he'd keep his mouth shut.

我听说帕特诺提拔了迈克·麦奎里，这样他就可以闭嘴了。

A lawyer in town told me he blamed the lawyers, said Penn State's lawyers covered this whole thing up.

镇上的一位律师告诉我，他责怪律师，说宾夕法尼亚州立大学的律师掩盖了整件事。

My friends Kim and Will moved here from Seattle about a decade ago.

我的朋友金和威尔大约十年前从西雅图搬到这里。

Our daughters are friends.

我们的女儿是朋友。

Will's a bioengineer at Penn State.

威尔是宾夕法尼亚州立大学的生物工程师。

I'm one that embraces denial as much as the next person.

我和其他人一样拥抱否认。

Denial is a big theory here, too.

否认在这里也是一个重要的理论。

Not just on an institutional level, on a personal level.

不仅在机构层面，而且在个人层面。

That some combination of Paterno, Curley, Schultz, Spanier simply could not, or would not, believe such grotesque crimes were happening in their locker rooms.

帕特诺、柯利、舒尔茨、斯潘尼尔的某些组合根本无法或不愿相信这种怪异的犯罪行为发生在他们的更衣室里。

There are so many reasons to tell yourself that you're not exactly sure.

有很多理由告诉自己你并不完全确定。

So you're telling yourself you have to be so sure, and you're not 100% sure, and so, well, it wasn't exactly illegal, or I don't need to do this, I only need to go this far, or somebody else is going to do it, or maybe he didn't see what he thought he saw, and things like that.

所以你告诉自己你必须如此确定，而你不是100%确定，所以，好吧，这并不完全违法，或者我不需要这样做，我只需要走这么远，或者其他人会这样做，或者也许他没有看到他认为他看到的东西，诸如此类的事情。

There's so much incentive to try to want it to not be true.

人们有太多的动机去试图希望它不是真的。

And then you just kind of wish it away.

然后你就希望它消失。

The crux of the riddle for a lot of people is, did Mike McQueary really tell Joe Paterno and other university officials exactly what he's now saying he saw?

对于很多人来说，谜题的关键是，迈克·麦奎里真的告诉乔·帕特诺和其他大学官员他现在所说的他所看到的吗？

That is, Jerry Sandusky in the shower, raping a boy who looked to be about ten years old?

也就是说，杰瑞·桑达斯基在洗澡的时候，强奸了一个看上去十岁左右的男孩？

McQueary says there was no ambiguity about what he told them.

麦奎里说，他告诉他们的内容并没有含糊之处。

They, of course, say that it was never clear to them the shower incident was of a, quote, "sexual nature."

当然，他们表示，他们从来不清楚淋浴事件是否具有“性本质”。

So how do you square that?

那么如何计算呢？

I've heard people say they believe that maybe McQueary didn't quite get the information out.

我听人们说他们相信麦奎里可能没有完全透露出这些信息。

There he is, sitting on the sofa across from Paterno, a football legend, his mentor, a 70-something-year-old man, a Catholic-- and is he really going to paint the picture?

他坐在帕特诺对面的沙发上，帕特诺是一位足球传奇人物，也是他的导师，一位 70 多岁的老人，一位天主教徒——他真的要描绘这幅画吗？

The shower, a little boy, ugh.

淋浴间，一个小男孩，呃。

Like one of my friends said, it could be that something got lost in the telling.

正如我的一位朋友所说，可能在讲述过程中遗漏了一些东西。

Kim of Kim and Will is a psychotherapist.

Kim and Will 的 Kim 是一名心理治疗师。

She thinks Spanier, the university president, got all turned around in his decision-making, partly because of the closed circle he lived in, where administrators talk mostly to other administrators.

她认为，大学校长斯帕尼尔的决策发生了彻底的转变，部分原因是他生活在一个封闭的圈子里，在这个圈子里，管理者们大多与其他管理者交谈。

Spanier has said he never knew about the sexual assaults.

斯帕尼尔表示，他从来不知道性侵犯事件。

Spanier, by the way, is also a family therapist.

顺便说一句，斯帕尼尔也是一名家庭治疗师。

Do you feel like, at the end of the day, he knew or he didn't know the particulars?

你觉得，到最后，他是知道还是不知道细节？

Spanier?

西班牙人？

Mmhm.

嗯。

Does that make him a bad guy?

这会让他成为坏人吗？

Like, how do you get your head around that?

比如，你是如何解决这个问题的？

Maybe from being basically kind of a politician, right, for such a long time?

也许是因为在这么长的时间里基本上都是一名政治家，对吧？

That he might have lost touch with some sort of boots-on-the-ground morals that the rest of us can live with?

他可能已经脱离了我们其他人可以忍受的某种脚踏实地的道德？

And he's dealing with large groups of people, and large sums of money, and I could imagine him confusing his duty to the university, and maybe even to the community, with his moral obligation to protect the innocent.

他正在与一大群人和大量金钱打交道，我可以想象他混淆了他对大学甚至社区的责任与保护无辜者的道义义务。

My friend Eileen grew up about an hour and a half from Penn State, in farming country.

我的朋友艾琳在距宾夕法尼亚州立大学约一个半小时车程的农业乡村长大。

Eileen used to live across the street from McQueary's wife and mother-in-law, and she believes McQueary.

艾琳曾经住在麦奎里妻子和婆婆的街对面，她相信麦奎里。

That he told the higher-ups exactly what he saw, and they buried it.

他将自己所看到的情况准确地告诉了上级，然后他们就埋葬了。

In their world that kind of stuff didn't happen.

在他们的世界里，这种事是不会发生的。

And they couldn't deal with it.

他们无法应对。

I mean, we were all having trouble dealing with the fact that it happened, and he was like a brother, I guess, in the football family, right?

我的意思是，我们都很难应对这件事发生的事实，我想，他就像足球大家庭中的兄弟，对吧？

And so how can you deal with a family member doing something like that to kids?

那么，你该如何处理家庭成员对孩子做这样的事情呢？

Maybe what they said was, you know, it was one time-- they had a big boy meeting, and they sat him down, they had a sit-down, and they said you're not going to do this again, right?

也许他们说的是，你知道，有一次——他们召开了一次大男孩会议，他们让他坐下来，他们坐下来，他们说你不会再这样做了，对吧？

And he, of course, said, oh, yeah, yeah, no, not a thing, not an issue.

当然，他说，哦，是的，是的，不，不是一件事，不是问题。

And they used that to make themselves feel better, and for the greater good of all of Penn State.

他们利用这一点让自己感觉更好，并为了整个宾夕法尼亚州立大学的更大利益。

And I want to think they thought they were doing the right thing.

我想他们认为自己正在做正确的事情。

I think JoePa did, right?

我想乔帕做到了，对吗？

That's a skewed vision, right?

这是一种扭曲的愿景，对吗？

Of--

的——

Oh, you think they thought they were doing the right thing.

哦，你认为他们认为自己做了正确的事。

I think, at least-- and I'm not giving them an out here.

我想，至少——而且我不会在这里给他们机会。

But yeah, I think in that twisted world, he thought it'll serve more kids, and it'll be for the greater good if we just make this go away so that the football program can keep on doing what it does.

但是，是的，我认为在那个扭曲的世界里，他认为这会为更多的孩子服务，如果我们让这种情况消失，这样足球项目就可以继续做它所做的事情，这将是为了更大的利益。

And I'm not a-- oh, god.

我不是——哦，上帝。

I'm not a football person.

我不是一个足球人。

Were you just nervous to say that on tape?

你只是因为在录音带上说这句话而感到紧张吗？

Where do we live, right?

我们住在哪里，对吗？

I think that's part of this whole thing.

我认为这是整个事情的一部分。

Imagine if me, who does not give a [BLEEP] about it, right?

想象一下，如果我对此不发出[BLEEP]声，对吗？

Really has some hesitation in this town.

在这个小镇上确实有些犹豫。

And because of the people in my life, some of the people in my life-- yeah, right?

因为我生命中的一些人，我生命中的一些人——是的，对吧？

And I didn't even realize that, Sarah.

我什至没有意识到这一点，莎拉。

That was involuntary.

那是不自觉的。

Really.

真的。

That's ridiculous.

这太荒谬了。

It would be like me saying to my sister, who lives in rural Pennsylvania, yeah, I don't really care about the Steelers.

这就像我对住在宾夕法尼亚州乡村的姐姐说，是的，我并不真正关心钢人队。

I would not be invited for Christmas.

我不会被邀请过圣诞节。

On Saturday morning, Michael Weinreb and his parents and some family friends met, like they always do, at the chemistry building where Michael's father works, and then made the trek over to the football game.

周六早上，迈克尔·温雷布和他的父母以及一些家庭朋友像往常一样在迈克尔父亲工作的化学大楼见面，然后长途跋涉去看橄榄球比赛。

The chicken coops, we'll pass by where the chicken coops used to be.

鸡舍，我们会经过以前鸡舍的地方。

It's where, there are field hockey fields over there now.

就是那里，现在那里有曲棍球场。

But you'd have to make this walk up there, and you'd have to walk by these awfully--

但你必须走到那里，而且你必须经过这些可怕的地方——

Well, it would smell, was part of the problem.

嗯，它会闻起来，这是问题的一部分。

Terrible.

糟糕的。

Sarah Koenig This exchange about the chicken coops was the sum total of Michael's communication with his father on the walk over, by the way, which Michael said was typical.

莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 顺便说一句，关于鸡舍的这次交流是迈克尔在散步时与父亲交流的总和，迈克尔说这是典型的。

His father is not a huge talker.

他的父亲不是一个爱说话的人。

We headed up to Beaver Stadium, and again, things were more or less the same as any football Saturday.

我们前往海狸体育场，情况又或多或少与任何周六的足球赛相同。

It was a beautiful day, people everywhere, looking happy.

这是美好的一天，到处都是人们，看上去很高兴。

It just feels so normal right now.

现在感觉很正常。

And it's odd.

这很奇怪。

Is that comforting to you, or is it just weird?

这让你感到安慰，还是觉得很奇怪？

It's just kind of weird.

这有点奇怪。

I feel like I should constantly be apologizing, you know?

我觉得我应该不断地道歉，你知道吗？

To whom?

给谁？

Michael Weinreb To everybody.

迈克尔·温雷布 对大家说。

I mean, to the victims, obviously, to people who saw that stuff on TV the other night.

我的意思是，对于受害者，显然，对于那天晚上在电视上看到这些内容的人。

It's just like this woman holding up that sign.

就像这个举着牌子的女人一样。

That's kind of how I feel.

我就是这样的感觉。

You know?

你知道？

What's the sign?

标志是什么？

Michael Weinreb It says, "To the victims, I apologize for Penn State."

迈克尔·温雷布 (Michael Weinreb) 写道：“对于受害者，我为宾夕法尼亚州立大学道歉。”

Michael shoved a dollar into a box.

迈克尔把一美元塞进盒子里。

There was another student collecting money for a child abuse charity, and fans were just shovelling money at them, jamming bills in there.

还有一名学生为虐待儿童慈善机构筹集资金，粉丝们只是向他们扔钱，把钞票塞在那里。

So just to recap.

所以只是回顾一下。

This terrible story breaks open.

这个可怕的故事就此揭开。

People in State College are stunned.

州立学院的人都惊呆了。

Then a couple days later, there's a riot-- a big, ugly retching of misplaced anger.

几天后，发生了一场骚乱——一场因错误的愤怒而引发的巨大而丑陋的呕吐。

And then two days after that, there's a vigil.

两天后，举行守夜活动。

A massive, solemn gathering that had the double benefit of calming the campus and looking good on the evening news.

一场盛大而庄严的集会具有双重好处，既可以让校园平静下来，又可以在晚间新闻中看起来不错。

And then two days after that, there's a football game.

两天后，有一场足球比赛。

And all of a sudden, that off-kilter feeling is gone.

突然之间，那种不平衡的感觉消失了。

People are cheerful, excited.

人们心情愉悦，兴奋不已。

That's how it felt to me, anyway.

无论如何，这就是我的感觉。

And it occurs to me that maybe that's what happened to Paterno and those guys in the administration back when they first got wind of Sandusky's alleged crimes.

我突然想到，也许这就是帕特诺和政府里的那些人第一次听到桑达斯基涉嫌犯罪的风声时所发生的事情。

Just give it some space, squint into the sun, go to a football game, and you can kind of forget about it.

只要给它一些空间，眯着眼睛看太阳，去看一场足球比赛，你就可以忘记它。

The following morning, on Sunday, Michael told me it did feel different inside the stadium-- more subdued.

第二天早上，也就是周日，迈克尔告诉我，体育场内的感觉确实有所不同——更加柔和。

Even the cheering was subdued.

就连欢呼声也低了下来。

It was just kind of quiet, even when it was loud.

即使声音很大，也很安静。

And it's like people were so tired of talking about the situation that they wanted to try to talk about the game, but then you start talking about the game, and you'd be like, how can we talk about the game?

就像人们厌倦了谈论这种情况，他们想尝试谈论游戏，但当你开始谈论游戏时，你会想，我们如何谈论游戏？

And then, you know, there was a moment in the fourth quarter where it was like, Penn State was down 17 to nothing, and they came back and made it 17-14, and then they got a defensive stop and got the ball back, and it was like-- I allowed myself like one moment where I kind of got excited, you know?

然后，你知道，在第四节的某个时刻，宾州州立大学以 17 比 17 落后，但他们反击并以 17-14 追平，然后他们进行防守停球并拿回球权，就像是——我允许自己有那么一刻感到兴奋，你知道吗？

It was kind of like, OK, I'm going to allow myself to get excited about football for two minutes here.

有点像，好吧，我要让自己在这里对足球感到兴奋两分钟。

Then they lost, and it was like, I don't care, you know?

然后他们输了，我不在乎，你知道吗？

I didn't care that they lost, you know?

我不在乎他们输了，你知道吗？

Not quite like this, no. Yeah, see, that's the thing.

不完全是这样，不。是的，看，就是这样。

I think a couple of my friends from college e-mailed me and they were like, I wish we would've won that, you know?

我想我的几个大学朋友给我发了电子邮件，他们说，我希望我们能赢，你知道吗？

And I was like, why?

我当时想，为什么？

What difference does it make?

这有什么区别呢？

It didn't matter.

没关系。

It just didn't matter.

没关系。

Did your parents have anything to say about it?

你的父母对此有什么话要说吗？

Like that it felt different to them, or--

就这样，他们感觉不一样，或者——

Yeah, some guys in their row who were so drunk that they puked all over themselves.

是的，他们这一排的一些人喝醉了，吐了一身。

And I was like, that's weirdly like going to a funeral hammered, you know?

我当时想，这就像去参加一场葬礼一样奇怪，你知道吗？

It's like, just have some respect.

就像，只要有一些尊重。

First of all, it's a noon game.

首先，这是一场中午的比赛。

How do you get that drunk, you know?

你怎么能喝醉，你知道吗？

But--

但是——

You know how you get that drunk.

你知道你是怎么喝醉的。

You start at 7:30.

7:30 开始。

I know, I know.

我知道，我知道。

I've done that before, so I shouldn't say anything.

我以前也这么做过，所以我不应该说什么。

Honestly, seeing drunk kids stumbling back from the game on Saturday, that was the one thing that made me feel like the town was going back to normal, for better or for worse.

老实说，周六看到醉酒的孩子们从比赛中跌跌撞撞地回来，这是让我感觉小镇正在恢复正常的一件事，无论好坏。

Sarah Koenig.

莎拉·科尼格.

Coming up, we go back in time, through the miracle of audio recording technology, before all this happened, before all the trouble, to the program that we did back in 2009 about Penn State.

接下来，我们通过录音技术的奇迹，回到过去，在这一切发生之前，在所有麻烦之前，回到我们 2009 年制作的有关宾夕法尼亚州立大学的节目。

That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.

一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。

This podcast of This American Life is brought you by audible.com, which is a provider of audio books with more than 100,000 downloadable titles across all types of literature, including fiction, nonfiction, and periodicals.

《This American Life》的这个播客由 audible.com 为您带来，audible.com 是一家有声读物提供商，拥有超过 100,000 种可下载的图书，涵盖所有类型的文学作品，包括小说、非小说和期刊。

For listeners of the This American Life podcast, Audible is offering a free audio book of your choice when you try audible free for 14 days.

对于“This American Life”播客的听众，当您免费试用 audible 14 天时，Audible 将为您提供一本免费的有声读物。

A title they suggest that This American Life listeners might enjoy is Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson, the new book based on hundreds of interviews with Steve Jobs and the people around him.

他们建议《美国生活》的听众可能会喜欢沃尔特·艾萨克森的《史蒂夫·乔布斯》，这本新书基于对史蒂夫·乔布斯及其周围人的数百次采访。

To try Audible today with the free audio book of your choice, go to audible.com/American.

要立即尝试 Audible 以及您选择的免费有声读物，请访问 audible.com/American。

All the details are on their website.

所有详细信息都在他们的网站上。

That's audible.com/American.

这是 audible.com/American。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

This week on our show we've been talking about Penn State and how people there are reacting to grand jury charges that a former assistant coach sexually abused young boys.

本周在我们的节目中，我们一直在谈论宾夕法尼亚州立大学以及那里的人们对大陪审团指控前助理教练性虐待小男孩的反应。

The charge is that Penn State officials failed to report the abuse to authorities.

指控是宾夕法尼亚州立大学官员未能向当局报告虐待事件。

In this half of the show, we're going to play excerpts from our 2009 episode about Penn State.

在节目的这半部分中，我们将播放 2009 年有关宾夕法尼亚州立大学的剧集的节选。

That show is about mostly the fact that the school was named the nation's number one party school that year, so it's mostly about partying and drinking, which have nothing at all to do with this sex abuse scandal.

该节目主要讲述的是该学校当年被评为全国第一派对学校的事实，因此主要是关于派对和饮酒的内容，这与这起性虐待丑闻完全无关。

Just need to get out in front of that right now.

现在只需要从前面出去就可以了。

But that said, you can't talk about partying and drinking at Penn State without talking about football.

但话虽如此，你不能谈论宾夕法尼亚州立大学的派对和饮酒而不谈论足球。

Football is a kind of a location where a lot of things like that occur.

足球是一个经常发生类似事情的地方。

And though these stories are about drinking, throughout all the stories, there are these moments where you see just how central it is in the life of Penn State.

尽管这些故事都是关于饮酒的，但在所有故事中，有些时刻你会看到饮酒在宾夕法尼亚州立大学的生活中是多么重要。

You see the before in the before and after of this scandal.

你可以在这起丑闻发生之前和之后看到之前的情况。

And in the before-- and this explains a lot about the after-- people love Penn State, and the love was uncomplicated.

在之前——这在很大程度上解释了之后——人们热爱宾夕法尼亚州立大学，而且这种爱并不复杂。

Students were spontaneously telling all of us how much they loved the school, how they never wanted the college experience to end.

学生们自发地告诉我们他们有多么热爱这所学校，他们多么不希望大学经历结束。

They chanted the school chant, "We Are Penn State," not just in the football stadium.

他们不仅在足球场上高喊学校口号“我们是宾夕法尼亚州立大学”。

It was in the student union, it was in the shuttle bus.

是在学生会，是在班车上。

They would just chant it, out of the blue.

他们会突然高喊这句话。

They said "We are Penn State" in conversation, to make a point.

他们在谈话中说“我们是宾夕法尼亚州立大学”，以表明观点。

They were part of this club that they were really excited to be part of.

他们是这个俱乐部的一员，他们很高兴能成为其中的一员。

In 2009, we were there for the last home game of the season, exactly two years and one week ago.

2009年，我们在那里观看了赛季最后一场主场比赛，距今整整两年又一周了。

Penn State was 44,000 students at the time.

宾夕法尼亚州立大学当时有 44,000 名学生。

To describe the level of drinking and partying and football fandom, at one point in the show, I was joined in the studio, back in 2009, by Sarah Koenig, who you heard earlier in today's show.

为了描述饮酒、聚会和足球迷的水平，在节目中的某个时刻，莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 早在 2009 年就加入了我，你在今天的节目早些时候就听到过她。

You're right.

你说得对。

A couple of weeks before you guys came to State College, there was this huge freak snowstorm, and they had to cancel tailgating for the first time anyone could remember because the conditions were so dangerous by the field.

在你们来到州立学院之前几周，发生了一场巨大的反常暴风雪，他们不得不取消车尾聚会，这是人们记忆中第一次，因为现场的情况非常危险。

But it didn't stop anyone.

但这并没有阻止任何人。

I saw people tailgating in their yards, on their front lawns-- even in my neighborhood, I went into a parking garage and found all these people on the fourth floor, which was really strange to see.

我看到人们在他们的院子里、前草坪上追尾——甚至在我家附近，我走进一个停车场，发现所有这些人都在四楼，这真的很奇怪。

I mean, it's a parking garage, so there's dirty cars everywhere, the ceiling is low, it's cold, it's dark.

我的意思是，这是一个停车场，所以到处都是脏车，天花板很低，很冷，很黑。

At the end of one row of cars, there were these two tables pushed together in an L-shape with tablecloths and all kinds of food and a couple birthday cakes.

一排车厢的尽头，有两张拼成L型的桌子，上面摆着桌布、各种食物和几个生日蛋糕。

Whose birthday is this?

这是谁的生日？

Female Student 1 It's my birthday, it's my birthday, my 21st birthday.

女学生1 今天是我的生日，这是我的生日，我21岁生日。

Happy birthday.

生日快乐。

Female Student 1 Thank you.

女学生1 谢谢。

And what are you doing on the fourth floor of a parking garage?

你在停车场四楼做什么？

Describe your headgear there.

在那里描述一下你的头饰。

Female Student 1 It's a crown with a 21 that's on fire, and it says, "Where's the bar?"

女学生1 这是一个带有21的皇冠，着火了，上面写着：“酒吧在哪里？”

So who brought all this food?

那么这些食物是谁带来的呢？

Female Student 1 My mom and dad.

女学生1 我的爸爸妈妈。

Because they love me, and they're the best.

因为他们爱我，而且他们是最好的。

About a half dozen older people were there, too, her parents and some of their friends.

那里也有大约六个老人，包括她的父母和他们的一些朋友。

And there were a bunch of other tailgates happening around us, and one couple was having their 40th wedding anniversary.

我们周围还发生了很多其他的事情，一对夫妇正在庆祝结婚 40 周年纪念日。

Wow.

哇。

In the garage?

在车库里？

Sarah Koenig In the garage, yeah.

莎拉·柯尼格 在车库里，是的。

At one point, a woman probably in her 50s walked up and handed the birthday girl a red plastic cup.

有一次，一名大约 50 多岁的女士走过来，递给寿星一个红色塑料杯。

Aw, thank you!

噢，谢谢！

What is this?

这是什么？

Woman 1 [INAUDIBLE]

女人 1 [听不清]

Is there alcohol in it?

里面有酒精吗？

Woman 1 Most definitely.

女人 1 绝对是。

Oh my god, this is the strongest drink I've ever had in my life!

天啊，这是我这辈子喝过最烈的酒了！

They just brought me a really strong alcoholic lemonade.

他们刚刚给我带来了一杯酒精度很高的柠檬水。

Yes.

是的。

Man 1 We've got to keep ourselves entertained somehow, right?

男人 1 我们必须以某种方式让自己开心，对吗？

Watch the 21-year-old get plastered, that's the entertainment?

看着21岁的人烂醉如泥，这就是娱乐？

Exactly, exactly.

完全正确。

Female Student 1 Thank you so much for the drink!

女学生1 非常感谢您的饮料！

At tailgate parties you see just how deeply embedded drinking is in life at Penn State.

在车尾聚会上，您可以看到饮酒在宾夕法尼亚州立大学的生活中是多么根深蒂固。

It's entire families.

这是整个家庭。

It's several generations together.

已经是好几代人在一起了。

It's outdoor public drinking, which gives you this feeling when you're there that the whole world is drinking.

这是户外公共饮酒，当你在那里时，会给你一种全世界都在饮酒的感觉。

Probably because there's so much of it.

大概是因为实在是太多了。

In 2009, when we were there, Penn State had largest stadium in North America.

2009年，当我们在那里时，宾夕法尼亚州立大学拥有北美最大的体育场。

Holds over 100,000 people.

容纳人数超过10万人。

So the tailgates are these huge masses of humanity spread out as far as you can see, all around the stadium, starting at 8 in the morning, starting really early, which is when these alums got here.

因此，尾门就是一大群人，一望无际，遍布整个体育场，从早上 8 点开始，非常早，这就是这些校友到达这里的时间。

They talked to one of the producers, Aaron Scott.

他们与制片人之一亚伦·斯科特进行了交谈。

So you went to bed, three or four.

于是你们就去睡觉了，三四点。

You got up, and you're drinking again.

你站起来，又开始喝酒了。

Yes.

是的。

Aaron Scott Is it ever too early to drink?

Aaron Scott 现在喝酒还太早吗？

No, never.

不，从来没有。

Ira Glass Eight in the morning means, by the way, that if it's a night game, they will tailgate for 12 hours, in the cold, in the freezing cold sometimes, before kickoff.

顺便说一句，艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）早上​​八点意味着，如果这是一场夜间比赛，他们将在开球前在寒冷中（有时甚至在严寒中）尾随 12 个小时。

I talked to a bunch of alums at a tailgate about what would happen if they weren't allowed to drink it all.

我在后挡板和一群校友谈论了如果他们不被允许喝完会发生什么。

I think there would be a revolt.

我认为将会有一场叛乱。

I think there would be a huge, huge pushback from the alumni that donate a lot of money to school to say that you can't have alcohol to tailgate.

我认为那些向学校捐赠大量资金的校友会强烈反对说不能喝酒。

It's just part of the culture.

这只是文化的一部分。

I mean, that's why this school sells 110,000 tickets for every-- just, it's a part of it.

我的意思是，这就是为什么这所学校每人售出 110,000 张门票——只是，这只是其中的一部分。

It's just part of that tradition.

这只是该传统的一部分。

Usually pounding down drinks at eight in the morning can be kind of sad.

通常早上八点喝下饮料可能会有点悲伤。

But the main thing about this kind of drinking, where it's tied in with tradition, and football, and family, and overwhelming sense of school spirit, is that it feels incredibly wholesome.

但这种饮酒方式的主要特点是，它与传统、足球、家庭以及压倒性的学校精神联系​​在一起，它让人感觉非常健康。

The whole campus feels like a Chevy commercial.

整个校园感觉就像是雪佛兰广告。

It's welcoming people.

它正在欢迎人们。

It's friendly.

很友好。

It's hard to resist.

很难抗拒。

You could go to any tailgate here, any Penn State tailgate, and you are just welcome.

你可以去这里的任何一个尾门，任何宾夕法尼亚州立大学的尾门，我们都欢迎你。

I mean, you could go up to someone that's cooking at a grill, and be like, hey, can I have a burger?

我的意思是，你可以走到正在烧烤的人面前，然后说，嘿，我可以吃个汉堡吗？

And they're like, oh, sure.

他们就像，哦，当然。

So it's like endless food.

所以这就像是吃不完的食物。

Everyone's friendly with everyone.

每个人都对每个人都很友好。

Just the atmosphere here is-- I have never experienced anything like Penn State atmosphere.

这里的氛围是——我从来没有经历过像宾夕法尼亚州立大学那样的氛围。

Sarah met this next guy, Peter, drinking outside the stadium with his friends before the game.

莎拉遇到了下一个人彼得，比赛前他和朋友在体育场外喝酒。

He's from Slovakia.

他来自斯洛伐克。

I came to US, and I started watching baseball and football, and I didn't understand at all the rules.

我来到美国，开始看棒球和橄榄球，但我完全不懂规则。

It was just a big blah to me.

这对我来说简直是无稽之谈。

And I didn't get my football tickets my freshman year, but I was able to go in one or two games.

大一那年我没有拿到足球门票，但我能够参加一两场比赛。

And I guess I started to like the atmosphere that is surrounded by the football.

我想我开始喜欢足球周围的气氛了。

And it kind of reminded me of home, where everyone is welcoming, everyone's a big family, and no matter where you're from, you root for the same team.

这让我想起了家乡，那里的每个人都很热情，每个人都是一个大家庭，无论你来自哪里，你都支持同一个团队。

It made me feel like I'm home again and surrounded by friends.

这让我感觉自己又回到了家，周围都是朋友。

And so I just love it now.

所以我现在就喜欢它。

I heart [UNINTELLIGIBLE].

我的心[无法理解]。

I'm getting emotional.

我变得情绪化。

This sense-- that we're a family, we're about football, everybody in the school is one-- it spills over from the football games into the whole weekend.

这种感觉——我们是一个家庭，我们关注足球，学校里的每个人都是一个——它从足球比赛一直延续到整个周末。

It's a week, actually.

其实已经一周了

It's Friday night, the night before the football game, outside East Hall, one of the big freshmen dorms.

那是周五晚上，足球比赛的前一天晚上，东厅外，一个大的新生宿舍。

And dozens of kids are lined up to the free shuttle buses that are going to take them across campus to the frats and parties on the other side.

数十名孩子正在排队搭乘免费班车，这些巴士将带他们穿越校园，前往另一边的兄弟会和派对。

Two of our producers, Jane Feltes and Lisa Pollak, noticed that all the girls wore these ratty-looking hoodies and jackets over their dress-up clothes.

我们的两位制片人 Jane Feltes 和 Lisa Pollak 注意到所有女孩都在礼服外面穿着这些看起来破旧的连帽衫和夹克。

Somebody told them that word for this is "frackets." They went up to some girls to confirm that.

有人告诉他们这个词是“frachts”。他们去找一些女孩确认这一点。

Have you guys heard of something called frackets?

大家听说过一种叫“碎片”的东西吗？

A fracket, by definition, is a jacket made for frats.

根据定义，fraket 是为兄弟会制作的夹克。

It's basically a crappy jacket that's cheap and you don't care about.

它基本上是一件廉价的蹩脚夹克，你并不关心。

Yeah.

是的。

Because they get lost.

因为他们迷路了。

They get, like, puked on.

他们就像被吐了一样。

You don't want that back.

你不想要那个回来。

You don't want it back.

你不想让它回来。

Just lose it, yeah.

就失去它，是的。

Jane rode on the bus with the freshmen.

简和新生们一起乘坐公共汽车。

She joins me now.

她现在加入我。

So that girl, her name's Chuy, she's from Saudi Arabia.

那个女孩，她的名字叫 Chuy，她来自沙特阿拉伯。

When I met her and her friend Megna, they were already on their second loop around campus.

当我见到她和她的朋友梅格纳时，他们已经在校园里进行第二圈了。

They were kind of drunk and they'd missed their stop the first time.

他们有点喝醉了，第一次就错过了车站。

And on this bus, everyone keeps breaking into song.

在这辆公共汽车上，每个人都不停地唱歌。

[STUDENTS SINGING] Jane Feltes What is happening?

[学生唱歌] Jane Feltes 发生了什么事？

Oh my god.

我的天啊。

Is this the same stop where we found out that we were late?

这是我们发现迟到的同一站吗？

Penn State's administration does a pretty thorough job surveying students to track how much they're drinking.

宾夕法尼亚州立大学的管理部门对学生进行了相当彻底的调查，以追踪他们的饮酒量。

Surveys show that every Friday and every Saturday night, 75% of the school drinks.

调查显示，每周五和每周六晚上，75%的学校喝酒。

That's over 30,000 people, an average of four and half drinks per person.

超过 30,000 人，平均每人喝四杯半。

And the students drink those drinks in about three hours, average.

学生们平均在大约三个小时内喝完这些饮料。

To put those numbers in perspective, binge drinking, or as it's been rebranded lately, high-risk or dangerous drinking, is defined as four drinks for a woman or five drinks for a man consumed in just two hours.

从正确的角度来看，酗酒，或者最近重新命名的高风险或危险饮酒，被定义为女性在短短两小时内喝下四杯酒或男性喝下五杯酒。

[STUDENTS SINGING] And to get down into the details of Penn State's numbers, it works out to over half the students regularly binge drinking, which is just a little bit above the national average for college students.

[学生唱歌] 详细了解宾夕法尼亚州立大学的数据，发现超过一半的学生经常酗酒，仅略高于全国大学生平均水平。

[STUDENTS SINGING] Lots of students said something that was hard to argue with.

[学生唱歌]很多学生说了一些难以反驳的话。

When else are also they going to get a chance to do this?

他们什么时候也有机会这样做？

Like I was talking to a senior--

就像我和一位前辈说话一样——

So what's the wildest thing you've seen at a party at this school?

那么你在这所学校的聚会上见过的最疯狂的事情是什么？

Wildest thing at a party?

聚会上最疯狂的事情？

Somebody streaking completely naked, and pretending to throw monkey feces as they were doing it.

有人赤身裸体裸奔，并假装扔猴子粪便。

And that was me.

那就是我。

That was you?

那是你吗？

Male Student 5 That was me.

男学生5 那就是我。

When was that?

那是什么时候？

Male Student 5 Last week.

男学生 5 上周。

I mean, you can only do that stuff now, when you're in college, you know?

我的意思是，你现在只能做这些事情，当你上大学的时候，你知道吗？

You can't do it-- I wouldn't be able to do it six months from now.

你做不到——六个月后我也做不到。

It's college.

这是大学。

Yes, there's a downside to all this.

是的，这一切都有一个缺点。

In the surveys of students done by the school, a fourth of Penn State students say that drinking has caused them to miss class or get behind on the schoolwork.

在学校对学生进行的调查中，四分之一的宾夕法尼亚州立大学学生表示，饮酒导致他们缺课或落后于功课。

15% say that they've been pushed, hit, or assaulted.

15% 的人表示他们曾被推搡、殴打或殴打。

7% say that drinking led to what the survey called-- this is their euphemism-- quote, "an unwanted sexual experience." There actually isn't data at Penn State linking drinking and date rape.

7% 的人表示，饮酒导致了调查所称的（这是他们的委婉说法）“一种不想要的性经历”。宾夕法尼亚州立大学实际上没有数据将饮酒与约会强奸联系起来。

6% said that they'd gotten into what you would call a real physical fight.

6% 的人表示他们陷入了所谓的真正的肢体冲突。

And then there are crimes that you never hear of unless you live in a place like State College.

还有一些犯罪行为，除非您住在州立学院这样的地方，否则您从未听说过。

Our daughter came into the kitchen while we were in the midst of hurriedly getting everything done, and said something to the effect of, mommy, I want to play my room.

当我们忙着把所有事情都做完的时候，女儿走进厨房，说了句“妈妈，我想玩我的房间”。

Can you please get that man out of my bed?

你能把那个男人从我床上弄起来吗？

And I remember having said something to the effect-- there's no man in your bed.

我记得我说过这样的话——你的床上没有男人。

And she actually went away, and came back a few minutes later, so I guess she went up to check.

她真的走了，几分钟后又回来了，所以我猜她是上去查看的。

And she comes down--there is a man in my bed, and I want to play in my room.

她下来了——我床上有一个男人，我想在我的房间里玩。

Would you please get him out of there?

请你带他离开那里好吗？

This is a long-time State College resident named Nina White, and the man on the bed, of course, was a college student who committed a surprisingly common crime in this town.

这是州立大学的一名长期居民，名叫尼娜·怀特（Nina White），而床上的那个人当然是一名大学生，他在这个镇上犯下了令人惊讶的常见罪行。

He came to her house drunk, found a comfortable place, and fell asleep.

他醉醺醺地来到她家，找了个舒服的地方，就睡着了。

When we were at Penn State in 2009, it was the neighbors who had the biggest concerns about all the drinking because of incidents like this.

2009年，当我们在宾夕法尼亚州立大学时，由于此类事件，邻居们对所有饮酒行为最担心。

And there was one of the neighbors in particular who got us interested in in all the partying as something to report on.

特别是其中一位邻居让我们对所有的聚会产生了兴趣，作为值得报道的事情。

That neighbor was our colleague, This American Life producer Sarah Koenig, who, as I said, lives in State College.

那个邻居是我们的同事，《美国生活》制片人莎拉·柯尼格，正如我所说，她住在州立学院。

Lives there because her husband teaches at the school.

因为她丈夫在学校教书，所以住在那里。

And the episode that we did in 2009 began with us sitting on the porch.

2009 年我们拍摄的这一集是从我们坐在门廊开始的。

One, two, three.

一二三。

OK, Sarah, so it's ten of one on a Friday night in November, and we're sitting on your porch.

好的，莎拉，十一月的一个周五晚上十点一分，我们坐在你的门廊上。

And it seems pretty quiet.

而且看起来很安静。

It's not that bad.

没那么糟糕。

Ira Glass By day, I have to say, Sarah's neighborhood is like a college town that you would see in an old Hollywood film.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我不得不说，白天，莎拉的社区就像是好莱坞老电影中看到的大学城。

It's beautiful professors' homes, built in the '20s and '30s, it's tree-lined streets, it's gardens.

这是美丽的教授住宅，建于二十世纪二十年代和三十年代，有绿树成荫的街道，有花园。

But by night, we'd been on that porch for five minutes when--

但到了晚上，我们在门廊上待了五分钟，然后——

They seem drunk.

他们看起来喝醉了。

These kids seem drunk.

这些孩子看起来喝醉了。

This couple here, they're sort of staggering a bit.

这对夫妇，他们有点令人震惊。

I think he's like holding her up or something.

我觉得他就像抱着她什么的。

It's nine students walking down the middle of the street.

九个学生走在街道中间。

Happens all the time.

一直在发生。

It's noisy, right?

很吵，对吧？

It's like it doesn't occur to them at all, I think, that there are people in these houses trying to sleep.

我想，他们好像根本没有想到这些房子里有人想睡觉。

And I kind of remember being that way in college, too, actually.

事实上，我记得大学时也是这样。

Yeah, I do too.

是的，我也一样。

Six minutes later, there's another group of drunk students.

六分钟后，又来了一群醉酒的学生。

One tosses something onto a lawn.

一个人把东西扔到草坪上。

Can you guys pick up your trash, please?

各位，你们能把垃圾捡起来吗？

Can you pick up your plate, your pizza plate?

你能拿起你的盘子，你的披萨盘吗？

Please?

请？

People leave here.

人们离开这里。

They pay no attention.

他们不予理睬。

Five minutes after that, we hear this clattering from the alley that runs next to Sarah's house.

五分钟后，我们听到莎拉家旁边的小巷里传来咔哒声。

Whoa, what was that?

哇，那是什么？

Actually, I'd kind of like to know what that was.

其实我有点想知道那是什么。

What's going on?

这是怎么回事？

We run down the alley, and two college boys run away as they see us coming.

我们沿着小巷跑去，两个大学生看到我们来了就逃跑了。

"Don't go back there, you could get raped," they yell to Sarah.

“别回去，你可能会被强奸，”他们对莎拉喊道。

See?

看？

OK.

好的。

They just threw somebody's trash can, or like dropkicked it up in the air.

他们只是扔掉某人的垃圾桶，或者像把它踢到空中一样。

12 minutes after that, from the other direction, we hear a scraping, and a loud rumbling, I guess.

12 分钟后，从另一个方向，我们听到了刮擦声和巨大的隆隆声，我猜。

That's somebody's property.

那是某人的财产。

That might have been a sign, actually.

实际上，这可能是一个迹象。

I don't know how many street signs you need to hear dragged through your neighborhood before you could recognize the sound it makes from all the way around the corner.

我不知道你需要听到多少个街道标志在你的社区中被拖动，你才能识别出它从拐角处发出的声音。

But apparently my colleague Sarah has seen whatever that number is.

但显然我的同事莎拉已经看到了这个数字。

We go to investigate and find two guys.

我们去调查并找到两个人。

A stop sign.

一个停车标志。

That's kind of a big thing when you see it up close, isn't it?

当你近距离观察时，这是一件大事，不是吗？

Sorry.

对不起。

Sarah Koenig Where did you find this?

莎拉·柯尼格 你在哪里找到这个的？

Like, where does it belong?

比如，它属于哪里？

I don't know.

我不知道。

Male Student 7 That is a good question.

男学生7 这个问题问得好。

We just found it on a lawn.

我们刚刚在草坪上发现了它。

We found it on a lawn.

我们在草坪上发现了它。

It was already ripped up.

它已经被撕碎了。

Male Student 6 Yeah, it was already [BLEEP] on someone's lawn.

男学生6 是的，已经在某人的草坪上[BLEEP]了。

We just decided, hey, why not make use of and take it?

我们刚刚决定，嘿，为什么不利用并接受它呢？

Of course, this story makes no sense at all.

当然，这个故事根本没有任何意义。

I inform the two guys that I don't need to know their names.

我告诉这两个人我不需要知道他们的名字。

Well, in that case, we took it from the corner right there.

好吧，在这种情况下，我们就从那里的角落里拿走了它。

Which one?

哪一个？

Male Student 7 Where that car just turned.

男学生7 那辆车刚刚转弯的地方。

Pulled it out of the ground?

是从地里拔出来的吗？

Male Student 7 Yeah, it was cemented in pretty well.

男学生7 是啊，粘得很好。

Just get a little rocking back and forth between two people, comes right out.

只要在两个人之间来回摇摆一下，就可以了。

Did you guys come from like a house party somewhere?

你们是从某个地方参加家庭聚会来的吗？

Ah, no. We were just hanging out with a bunch of friends, just drinking.

啊，不。我们只是和一群朋友出去玩，只是喝酒。

Taking some shots.

拍摄一些照片。

Seems like kind of an academic distinction to me, but.

对我来说似乎是一种学术上的区别，但是。

With that, the other guy starts running with the street sign toward Garner Street, which is hard because it's attached to a seven-foot metal pole, and it's heavy.

说完，另一个人开始拿着路牌朝加纳街跑，这很困难，因为它连接到一根七英尺高的金属杆上，而且很重。

Sarah and I go back around the corner to her front yard.

莎拉和我从拐角处回到她的前院。

The evening is not over at all.

晚上还没有结束。

Just in time to spot another student, this one coming out of her garden, Sarah assumes, from the bushes back there.

莎拉猜想，正好发现了另一个学生，这个学生是从她的花园里出来的，是从后面的灌木丛里出来的。

I was just sitting down.

我刚坐下。

Ira Glass He goes, and it's not a minute later that Sarah points towards the alley where there are three girls in miniskirts, under streetlights, fully visible.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 他走了，不到一分钟，莎拉就指着小巷，那里有三个穿着迷你裙的女孩，在路灯下，清晰可见。

One girl hikes up her skirt.

一名女孩掀起裙子。

Ira Glass Wait, step back, step back, step back.

艾拉·格拉斯 等等，退一步，退一步，退一步。

OK.

好的。

But they're peeing in my yard.

但他们在我的院子里撒尿。

They're peeing in my yard.

他们在我的院子里撒尿。

That's my car, OK, and three feet back is a girl's white ass, peeing.

那是我的车，好吧，三英尺后是一个女孩的白色屁股，正在撒尿。

She saw we saw her.

她看到我们看到了她。

She stopped.

她停了下来。

You know, that might be why the plants grow really, really well in that spot.

你知道，这可能就是为什么植物在那个地方生长得非常非常好的原因。

I'm just realizing.

我刚刚意识到。

Sarah's caught other groups of girls peeing in that same spot.

莎拉发现其他一群女孩在同一个地方撒尿。

Once she heard a girl say, "This is a good place.

有一次，她听到一个女孩说：“这是个好地方。

I go here all the time."

我经常去这里。”

They're so embarrassed.

他们太尴尬了

There's like muffled giggling happening across the street.

街对面传来低沉的咯咯笑声。

The weekend that we recorded this, back in 2009, Penn State was in fact the country's number one party school, named by people who name the number one party school in our country, the Princeton Review.

我们记录这一点的那个周末，早在 2009 年，宾夕法尼亚州立大学实际上是全国排名第一的党派学校，由《普林斯顿评论》命名我国排名第一的党派学校的人命名。

And this is apparently what it means to be the number one party school in the country.

而这显然就是成为全国第一党校的意义所在。

From the moment that Sarah and I turned on the tape recorder to the moment that she sent those girls looking for somebody else's yard to pee in-- total time, 34 minutes.

从我和莎拉打开录音机到她让那些女孩到别人的院子里撒尿的那一刻——总共时间，34分钟。

It's 1:30 in the morning now.

现在是凌晨 1 点 30 分。

The fact that we saw that much mayhem sort of going on at one corner-- so that means it's, multiply that by this entire neighborhood and other neighborhoods around.

事实上，我们看到在一个角落发生了如此多的混乱——所以这意味着，将其乘以整个社区和周围的其他社区。

People are peeing everywhere, garbage cans are getting kicked, stop signs are getting pulled out of the road, people are littering-- you know.

人们随地小便，垃圾桶被踢，停车标志被拔出道路，人们乱扔垃圾——你知道的。

The Princeton Review chooses the number one party school from online student surveys.

《普林斯顿评论》从在线学生调查中选出了排名第一的派对学校。

120,000 students at 371 schools around the country answered these questions.

全国371所学校的12万名学生回答了这些问题。

How widely used are beer, alcohol, marijuana, and other drugs or your school?

啤酒、酒精、大麻和其他毒品或您的学校的使用有多广泛？

How big is frat life at your school?

你们学校的兄弟会生活有多大？

And finally, how many hours do you study each day?

最后，你每天学习几个小时？

The students aren't randomly selected, so it's not, strictly speaking, a scientific survey.

学生不是随机选择的，因此严格来说，这不是一项科学调查。

But every year, Penn State ranks very high.

但每年，宾夕法尼亚州立大学的排名都非常高。

In the last five years, it's been the number three party school twice.

近五年来，党校两次位列第三。

It's been the number seven party school in the country, it's been the number nine party school in the country, and of course, number one party school in 2009 the year we were there.

它曾经是全国排名第七的党校，它曾经是全国排名第九的党校，当然，我们在那里的那一年，2009年也是排名第一的党校。

That year, a freshman named Joe Dado died in an alcohol-related incident in September, just a month into the school year.

那年，一位名叫乔·达多 (Joe Dado) 的新生于 9 月份因酗酒事件死亡，当时开学仅一个月。

He was 18.

他18岁。

In the episode that we did back then, Sarah Koenig did a big story about the university's response to this incident and to the level of alcohol consumption at the school in general.

在我们当时制作的那一集中，莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）做了一个大故事，讲述了大学对这一事件的反应以及学校总体的饮酒水平。

When these kinds of deaths have happened at other schools-- Colorado State, MIT, Indiana University, UVA-- administrations have used the deaths to push for change.

当此类死亡事件在其他学校——科罗拉多州立大学、麻省理工学院、印第安纳大学、弗吉尼亚大学——发生时，管理部门就会利用这些死亡事件来推动变革。

Not at Penn State.

不是在宾夕法尼亚州立大学。

Nobody used the occasion to urge the students to stop drinking so much.

没有人利用这个机会敦促学生停止酗酒。

Instead, the message from the administration was, if you're going to get plastered, do it more responsibly.

相反，政府传达的信息是，如果你要陷入困境，那就更负责任地去做。

As we noted at the time, maybe the administration figured that this message had a better chance of sticking.

正如我们当时指出的那样，也许政府认为这一信息更有可能被坚持下去。

And it did stick.

它确实坚持了下来。

The lesson students took-- we heard this from students that we talked to-- was not the Dado drank too much, but that he would have been alive if only he hadn't gone off by himself.

学生们得到的教训——我们从与我们交谈过的学生那里听到的——不是 Dado 喝得太多，而是如果他没有自己走开的话，他就会活着。

Sarah talked in the show about how the University's president, Graham Spanier, came in 15 years before that as a crusader against binge drinking who was not shy about calling alcohol use the school's biggest problem, and he got pushback for that.

莎拉在节目中谈到了学校校长格雷厄姆·斯潘尼尔 (Graham Spanier) 15 年前上任时作为反对酗酒的斗士，毫不羞涩地称酗酒是学校最大的问题，但他因此遭到了反对。

From alumni, from university trustees.

来自校友，来自大学董事。

He was booed by students at a football game.

他在一场足球比赛中遭到学生的嘘声。

And he stopped hammering the topic so publicly.

他不再如此公开地讨论这个话题。

Here's from that story that Sarah did back in 2009.

这是莎拉 2009 年写的那个故事。

You hear, she actually goes to Spanier.

你听说，她实际上去了西班牙。

And here's Spanier in this clip.

这是这段视频中的西班牙人。

He was fired last week after the child sex abuse scandal broke.

儿童性虐待丑闻爆发后，他上周被解雇。

What you hear all the time around here, off the record, from local residents, from faculty, from other administrators, is that Spanier really can't or won't do anything more draconian about the drinking problem here-- make fraternities dry, say, or curb tailgating-- because politically, he simply cannot risk alienating those sacred cows Simms is talking about.

你一直在这里从当地居民、教职员工和其他管理人员那里听到的私下消息是，斯潘尼尔真的不能或不会对这里的饮酒问题采取更严厉的措施——比如说，让兄弟会干涸，或者遏制车尾追尾——因为从政治上来说，他根本不能冒险疏远西姆斯所说的那些神圣的牛。

Especially alumni and athletics, meaning football, which brings in enormous money.

尤其是校友和田径运动，即足球，可以带来巨额收入。

Tens of thousands of alumni come to football games, rent skyboxes.

数以万计的校友前来观看足球比赛、租用空中包厢。

The only places in the stadium where you can drink, by the way.

顺便说一句，体育场内唯一可以喝酒的地方。

They arrange their lives around the season.

他们根据季节安排自己的生活。

It's a big part of why they give money to the school.

这是他们向学校捐款的一个重要原因。

Last year, alums and other donors give $182 million.

去年，校友和其他捐助者捐赠了 1.82 亿美元。

I asked Spanier if there was something he needed to be careful about here, in terms of the connection between football and donors and booze.

我问斯帕尼尔，在足球与捐助者和酒类之间的联系方面，是否有什么需要注意的地方。

No. I don't buy that at all.

不，我根本不相信这一点。

That's just speculation that you hear from people, like, oh, that must be part of the issue.

这只是你从人们那里听到的猜测，比如，哦，这一定是问题的一部分。

They would never go after the alumni.

他们永远不会去追捕校友。

The fact is, what happens with six or seven home games is not the heart of this issue here.

事实上，六七场主场比赛的结果并不是这个问题的核心。

We're talking about the weekend in, weekend out, every day of the week throughout the year kind of issue.

我们谈论的是周末进、周末出、全年一周中的每一天这样的问题。

When this comes up, it's sort of like, someone will say, well, why don't they just make tailgating dry?

当这个问题出现时，有人会说，好吧，他们为什么不干脆让车尾聚会变得干燥呢？

No alcohol on University property?

大学财产上禁止饮酒吗？

Is that kind of thing ever even brought up as like a, we just want to signal a culture change, we're just going to make a big bold move and say, we're going to become a different kind of school now.

这种事情是否曾经被提出过，比如，我们只是想发出文化变革的信号，我们只是要做出一个大胆的举动，并说，我们现在要成为一所不同类型的学校。

Is that ever, like, on the table?

这件事曾经摆在桌面上吗？

No, I don't think so.

不，我不这么认为。

I can't envision telling alumni of legal age that they can't drink on a football weekend, and seeing that that's going to change the problem of alcohol consumption among underage students on college campuses.

我无法想象告诉达到法定年龄的校友他们不能在足球周末喝酒，并看到这将改变大学校园未成年学生的饮酒问题。

I don't think those two things are really tied together.

我不认为这两件事真的联系在一起。

How far would administrators go to protect the football program?

管理者会在多大程度上保护足球项目？

Of course, that's at the heart of the current scandal.

当然，这就是当前丑闻的核心。

And with football so central to Penn State's fundraising, it's easy to see why they would protect it.

由于橄榄球对于宾夕法尼亚州立大学的筹款如此重要，因此很容易理解为什么他们会保护它。

A Penn State professor named Michael Berube wrote an op-ed in the New York Times this week about how football built Penn State into the school it is today.

宾夕法尼亚州立大学的一位名叫迈克尔·贝鲁布（Michael Berube）的教授本周在《纽约时报》上发表了一篇专栏文章，讲述了橄榄球如何将宾夕法尼亚州立大学打造为今天的学校。

He talks about how dramatically the school has improved since Coach Joe Paterno first arrived decades ago, how Paterno endowed the professorship he holds, and lists the academic departments at Penn State-- English, Sociology, Anthropology-- that are now rated among the top ten university programs by the National Research Council.

他谈到了自从几十年前乔·帕特诺教练首次来到学校以来，学校取得了多么显着的进步，帕特诺如何捐赠他所担任的教授职位，并列出了宾夕法尼亚州立大学的学术部门——英语、社会学、人类学——这些部门现在被国家研究委员会评为前十名大学项目。

He notes that after Joe Paterno's first national championship, Paterno declared that the school had to improve its library, because quote, "You can't have a great university without a great library." Paterno and his wife led the capital campaign.

他指出，在乔·帕特诺 (Joe Paterno) 首次获得全国冠军后，帕特诺宣布学校必须改善其图书馆，因为他引用了一句话：“没有伟大的图书馆，就不可能拥有一所伟大的大学。”帕特诺和他的妻子领导了资本运动。

The new library building is named for them.

新图书馆大楼以他们的名字命名。

When Penn State football has a winning season, enrollment goes up.

当宾夕法尼亚州立大学橄榄球队取得胜利的赛季时，入学人数就会增加。

Somebody who's tried to quantify just what football means to Penn State financially is Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Frank Fitzpatrick, whose 2000 series on the business of football at Penn State was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.

费城问询报记者弗兰克·菲茨帕特里克（Frank Fitzpatrick）试图量化足球对宾夕法尼亚州立大学的经济意义，他 2000 年关于宾夕法尼亚州立大学足球业务的系列报道获得了普利策奖提名。

I reached him in State College this week, where he was writing a story about the current scandal.

本周我在州立学院找到了他，他正在那里写一篇关于当前丑闻的报道。

You know, without football it's hard to imagine what this place would look like.

你知道，如果没有足球，很难想象这个地方会是什么样子。

Football has really been the engine driving the growth here.

足球确实是推动这里增长的引擎。

How much money does Penn State football bring in?

宾夕法尼亚州立大学橄榄球能赚多少钱？

Well, I believe in 2010, they brought in, I think it was $72 million.

嗯，我相信在 2010 年，他们带来了 7200 万美元。

They had costs of, I believe, $19 million.

我相信他们的成本为 1900 万美元。

So that's a profit of $53 million, which is a profit margin that most Fortune 500 companies would be envious of.

那么这就是5300万美元的利润，这是大多数财富500强公司都会羡慕的利润率。

What happens at $53 million profit?

利润达到 5300 万美元会怎样？

Where does it go?

它去哪里？

Well, it goes to fund the other 28 or 29 teams here at Penn State.

嗯，它用于资助宾夕法尼亚州立大学的其他 28 或 29 支球队。

The entire cost of these teams is carried by the revenue that the football team generates.

这些球队的全部成本由足球队产生的收入承担。

Penn State is fortunate in that they're able to raise enough money to support athletics.

宾夕法尼亚州立大学很幸运，因为他们能够筹集足够的资金来支持体育运动。

At most schools in this country, they run an annual average deficit of maybe $8 million to $10 million a year.

在这个国家的大多数学校，每年的平均赤字可能为 800 万至 1000 万美元。

You were saying that $53 million is the profit in a year from football at Penn State.

你说宾夕法尼亚州立大学橄榄球一年的利润是 5300 万美元。

How does that compare to Penn State budget?

与宾夕法尼亚州立大学的预算相比如何？

Like, is that a big chunk of it?

就像，这是很大一部分吗？

Their overall budget for the school is probably like $4 billion.

他们对学校的总体预算大概是 40 亿美元。

It just doesn't seem like that much.

只是看起来没那么严重。

Like, it doesn't seem like it would have that much influence.

好像没有那么大的影响力。

Well, what you've got to remember is that football and Joe Paterno are the face of this university.

好吧，你必须记住的是，足球和乔·帕特诺是这所大学的代表。

I mean, that's the marketing of your university.

我的意思是，这就是你们大学的营销。

And you go around campus and look at the names of the buildings and the people that have donated money here, and they're either ex-football players, people who have somehow been associated with Joe over the years.

你绕着校园走一圈，看看建筑物的名字和在这里捐款的人，他们要么是前足球运动员，要么是多年来与乔有某种联系的人。

So I mean, if you don't have a successful football team, if you don't have a team that's generating revenue and victories, you're quickly going to find yourself with decreased admissions, with lower contributions.

所以我的意思是，如果你没有一支成功的足球队，如果你没有一支能够创造收入和胜利的球队，你很快就会发现自己的入场人数减少，贡献也减少。

You think it's going to affect the school's finances that this has happened?

您认为发生这种情况会影响学校的财务吗？

I think that's the great fear.

我认为这就是最大的恐惧。

I mean, the fear is that if Penn State's image, the image they've sold to these donors and contributors all the years is this squeaky-clean image.

我的意思是，令人担心的是，如果宾夕法尼亚州立大学的形象，他们多年来卖给这些捐赠者和贡献者的形象是这种干净的形象。

And if that's tarnished, that's a lot of potential donations.

如果这被玷污了，那将是大量潜在的捐款。

I was just going back on some of my research I did when I was doing the series of stories about Penn State, and there were quite a few donors who at that time, said, when they had no inkling that anything like this was in the wind, said I'm more than happy to give my money to Penn State, because they do things the right way.

我刚刚回顾了我在做有关宾夕法尼亚州立大学的一系列故事时所做的一些研究，当时有不少捐助者说，当他们没有意识到这样的事情正在发生时，他们说我非常乐意把钱捐给宾夕法尼亚州立大学，因为他们以正确的方式做事。

If that ever changes, I'll have to make an assessment at that time.

如果情况发生变化，到时候我就必须做出评估。

Wait, wait.

等等，等等。

They said if that ever changes, I think I'll have to look at it?

他们说如果情况发生变化，我想我必须看看它？

People actually went that far?

人家真的走到这一步了吗？

Yeah.

是的。

I mean, because at that time, and for quite a while, people were wondering what this place is going to look like when Joe leaves.

我的意思是，因为在当时相当长的一段时间里，人们都想知道当乔离开时这个地方会是什么样子。

You know, Joe's sort of been the guy that's propped up this image.

你知道，乔就是这个形象的支撑者。

So you can imagine that that assessment is being made by hundreds of different people, even as we speak.

所以你可以想象，即使在我们说话的时候，数百个不同的人也在做出评估。

Do I continue to give my money to Penn State, or do I want my name associated with something so sordid as this?

我应该继续把钱捐给宾夕法尼亚州立大学，还是希望我的名字与如此肮脏的事情联系在一起？

Frank Fitzpatrick of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

《费城问询报》的弗兰克·菲茨帕特里克。

Here is one more thing about how the fate of the football team affects everything in this town.

这是关于足球队的命运如何影响这个小镇的一切的另一件事。

This is another clip from our 2009 show.

这是我们 2009 年节目的另一个剪辑。

Nancy Updike, for that show, did this story about the local businesses at Penn State, in the town of State College.

南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）在该节目中讲述了宾夕法尼亚州立大学州立学院镇当地企业的故事。

The week that we were there, nearly every business owner told us that their businesses were significantly down because of the football team.

我们在那里的那一周，几乎每个企业主都告诉我们，由于足球队的影响，他们的生意大幅下滑。

Because of Penn State's loss to Ohio State the week before.

因为宾夕法尼亚州立大学在前一周输给了俄亥俄州立大学。

Anyway, this is from her story.

无论如何，这是她的故事。

This is McLanahan's, a sprawling Hearst Castle of a store.

这是麦克拉纳汉百货公司 (McLanahan's)，这是一家规模庞大的赫斯特城堡式商店。

It's your basic drugstore, deli produce market, hardware, underwear, beer pong, stationary, grocery, Penn State merchandise emporium, which over the years has acquired and absorbed the stores that used to be next to it, to the point where it's bought up everything it can, and the only way left to expand is to cram more stuff everywhere.

这里是基本的药店、熟食农产品市场、五金店、内衣店、啤酒乒乓球店、文具店、杂货店、宾夕法尼亚州立大学的商品商场，这些年来，它收购并吞并了以前旁边的商店，以至于它买光了所有能买的东西，而扩张的唯一方法就是到处塞满更多的东西。

And there's always something clamoring for more space.

总有一些人要求更多的空间。

McLanahan's owner Ray Agostinelli says that over and over again, he's had to stock way up on some usually sleepy object that has suddenly become a crazy hot seller.

麦克拉纳汉的主人雷·阿戈斯蒂内利 (Ray Agostinelli) 表示，他不得不一次又一次地囤积一些平时不起眼的物品，而这些物品突然变得疯狂热销。

Well, it happened one time with marshmallows, and all of a sudden, all the marshmallows were gone.

嗯，有一次棉花糖发生过这种情况，突然之间，所有的棉花糖都消失了。

And here, what it was, was that they'd take them to the football games, and they were throwing marshmallows.

在这里，他们会带他们去看足球比赛，他们会扔棉花糖。

You said people were throwing marshmallows onto the field?

你说人们把棉花糖扔到田野上？

Oh yeah, if they did-- They were?

哦，是的，如果他们这样做了——他们是吗？

Getting pretty dangerous with them.

和他们在一起变得非常危险。

This wasn't too good.

这不太好。

And they got outlawed.

他们被取缔了。

But the kids would come in and buy all the marshmallows, and we said, wait a minute.

但孩子们会进来买所有的棉花糖，我们说，等一下。

We never sold that many marshmallows.

我们从来没有卖过那么多棉花糖。

What?

什么？

But it's just whatever the crazes are, you have to keep up with and be there.

但无论是什么热潮，你都必须跟上并在那里。

And then there are the crazes that never go away.

还有永远不会消失的狂热。

Sex.

性别。

One of McLanahan's many frank and nonjudgmental offerings is its display, right up front, that is condoms on top, lubricant in the middle, pregnancy tests on the bottom.

麦克拉纳汉的许多坦率和不带偏见的产品之一就是它的展示，就在前面，安全套在上面，润滑剂在中间，怀孕测试在底部。

Ray takes me into the two Penn State merchandise sections of the store.

雷带我走进商店的两个宾夕法尼亚州立大学商品区。

It's a full sensory experience.

这是一次完整的感官体验。

That's a CD of the school's band in the background.

背景是学校乐队的 CD。

There are seven different kinds of car air fresheners with the Penn State logo, pacifiers, a steering wheel cover.

有七种不同的带有宾夕法尼亚州立大学标志的汽车空气清新剂、奶嘴、方向盘套。

Ray, are you ever amazed at something you never knew that Penn State logo could be put on it?

雷，你是否曾对你从未知道宾夕法尼亚州立大学标志可以放在上面的东西感到惊讶？

I just saw a remote control, a TV remote--

我刚刚看到一个遥控器，一个电视遥控器——

You put it on here and it'll sell.

你把它放在这里，它就会卖掉。

You put it on your microphone, it'll sell.

你把它放在麦克风上，它就会卖出去。

In the almost 50 years Ray has been working at McLanahan's-- he bought it from Bob McLanahan 40 years ago-- Ray has seen the Penn State merchandise in his store go from almost an afterthought, maybe one rack of sweatshirts, to being a third of his business.

近 50 年来，雷一直在麦克拉纳汉店工作（40 年前，他从鲍勃·麦克拉纳汉那里买了这家店）。雷亲眼目睹了他店里宾夕法尼亚州立大学的商品从几乎是事后才想到的、也许是一排运动衫，变成了他业务的三分之一。

The only downside is--

唯一的缺点是——

If Penn State would have a losing season, sales would drop dramatically.

如果宾夕法尼亚州立大学经历了一个亏损的季节，销售额将会急剧下降。

Oh, is that true?

哦，是这样吗？

Ray Agostinelli Oh my gosh.

雷·阿戈斯蒂内利 天哪。

You can't imagine.

你无法想象。

Ray says if Penn State loses one football game, sales of Penn State merch at McLanahan's go down 20%.

雷说，如果宾夕法尼亚州立大学输掉一场橄榄球比赛，麦克拉纳汉店的宾夕法尼亚州立大学商品销售额就会下降 20%。

Not for a day, for a week, and sometimes even longer, until the next winning game.

不是一天，是一周，有时甚至更长，直到下一场获胜的比赛。

OK.

好的。

There's more to that story, but you'll have to go online.

这个故事还有更多内容，但你必须上网。

That was Nancy Updike.

那是南希·厄普代克。

Let's end this hour at a game.

让我们以一场比赛来结束这一小时吧。

Right?

正确的？

A football game.

一场足球比赛。

I went to a game when we were there in 2009 with two juniors, Megan Koch and Zach Fliegel.

2009 年，我和两名高三学生梅根·科赫 (Megan Koch) 和扎克·弗利格尔 (Zach Fliegel) 一起去看了一场比赛。

Megan's Nittany Lion memories include the night of her high school homecoming, which also happen to be the night of the 2005 Michigan game.

梅根 (Megan) 对尼塔尼·狮子 (Nittany Lion) 的记忆包括她高中返校节的那晚，而这也恰好是 2005 年密歇根州比赛的当晚。

She was all dressed up.

她盛装打扮。

Her dad was on the cell phone.

她爸爸正在打电话。

He was calling me, telling me, play by play, what was going on.

他打电话给我，一场一场地告诉我发生了什么事。

So I remember I go inside, and my field hockey team always gets together in like a hallway.

所以我记得我走进去，我的曲棍球队总是像走廊一样聚集在一起。

And all the parents come around, everyone comes around and we get pictures taken.

所有的父母都过来了，每个人都过来了，我们拍了照片。

And I remember my dad called me, and he's like, you're not going to believe this, but Michigan just scored and we lost with two seconds left on the clock.

我记得我爸爸打电话给我，他说，你不会相信这一点，但密歇根队刚刚进球，我们在比赛还剩两秒时就输了。

And I remember I just hung up the phone, and I was like, oh my gosh.

我记得我刚刚挂了电话，我当时就想，天哪。

I started like crying.

我开始想哭。

And one of the hockey moms came up to me, and she was like, Megan, what's wrong, you know?

一位曲棍球妈妈走到我面前，她说，梅根，出了什么问题，你知道吗？

And I was like, Penn State just lost.

我当时想，宾夕法尼亚州立大学刚刚输了。

And she was-- she laughed.

而她——她笑了。

And I have never been so close to punching a parent.

我从来没有如此接近殴打父母。

Zach also has childhood memories of Penn State games.

扎克也对宾夕法尼亚州立大学的比赛有着童年的回忆。

On our way to the stadium, we pass some little boys in the tailgate, tossing around a football.

在去体育场的路上，我们在后挡板上经过了一些小男孩，他们正在踢足球。

I used to be that kid, throwing the football around in between cars and stuff.

我曾经是那个孩子，把足球扔到汽车和其他东西之间。

The Lions played, the Lions won.

狮子队打了比赛，狮子队赢了。

It was the last home game of the year, and seniors down in the first row were crying.

这是今年最后一场主场比赛，第一排的高年级学生都在哭泣。

Zach said even a bad game, being in the stadium, in the student section, was worth it.

扎克说，即使是一场糟糕的比赛，在体育场、在学生区，也是值得的。

I live for this.

我就是为此而活。

I'll probably be coming here until I'm old and wrinkled.

我可能会一直来这里，直到我老了、满脸皱纹。

Really?

真的吗？

So like, 50 years from now, where will you be sitting?

那么，50 年后，你会坐在哪里？

Point to the spot.

指点地点。

Right over there.

就在那里。

Hopefully in WC, WD on the 30, 40 yard line, maybe.

希望在 WC、WD 30、40 码线上，也许吧。

And he pointed a third of the way up, 30 yard line.

他指了指上方三分之一处，即 30 码线。

I went around to his friends in the student section.

我去找了他学生区的朋友。

Nobody hesitated.

没有人犹豫。

50 yard line, skybox, 30 yard line.

50 码线、天空盒、30 码线。

They all wanted to come back.

他们都想回来。

Then when I emailed Zach this week, and asked if he still thought he'd be back in the year 2059, he said it depends on how the school handles the charges in the next few months.

然后，当我本周给扎克发电子邮件，问他是否仍然认为自己会在 2059 年回来时，他说这取决于学校在接下来的几个月内如何处理这些指控。

Well, our program today was produced by Sarah Koenig, Jonathan Menjivar, Miki Meek and me, with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Jane Feltes, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, Aaron Scott, Alissa Shipp, Brian Reed, and Nancy Updike.

嗯，我们今天的节目由 Sarah Koenig、Jonathan Menjivar、Miki Meek 和我以及 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Jane Feltes、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semien、Aaron Scott、Alissa Shipp、Brian Reed 和 Nancy Updike 制作。

Our senior producer is Julie Snyder, Seth Lind is our production manager, Emily Condon is our office manager.

我们的高级制片人是 Julie Snyder，Seth Lind 是我们的制作经理，Emily Condon 是我们的办公室经理。

[ACKNOWLEDGMENTS] Our website, where you can hear our original 2009 show about Penn State, "Number One Party School," for absolutely free, or you can hear any other show we have ever made, our download our apps, or do all kinds of stuff, thisamericanlife.org.

[致谢] 在我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以完全免费地收听我们 2009 年关于宾夕法尼亚州立大学的原创节目“第一派对学校”，或者您可以收听我们制作过的任何其他节目、下载我们的应用程序或做各种事情。

This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.

《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。

[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our show by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia, who kept holding his personnel conferences at a big boy restaurant near the highway-- I know!-- until--

[资金来源] 我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的节目进行 WBEZ 管理监督，他一直在高速公路附近的一家大男孩餐厅举行人事会议 - 我知道！ - 直到 -

They had a big boy meeting, and they sat him down, they had a sit-down, and they said-- you're not going to do this again, right?

他们举行了一次大男孩会议，他们让他坐下来，他们坐下来，然后他们说——你不会再这样做了，对吧？

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

Next week in the podcast of This American Life.

下周在《美国生活》的播客中。

There's this children's book, a real one, called Nobody's Family is Going to Change.

有一本真实的儿童读物，名叫《没有人的家庭会改变》。

That is an oddly menacing title, if you ask me.

如果你问我的话，这是一个奇怪的威胁性标题。

Nobody's Family is Going to Change.

没有人的家庭会改变。

It is a thought that occurs to you when you go home for Thanksgiving or Christmas, for sure.

当你回家过感恩节或圣诞节时，你肯定会想到这个想法。

We try to figure out whether it's true.

我们试图弄清楚这是否属实。

Next week on the podcast or on your local Public Radio station.

下周在播客或当地公共广播电台上播出。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。