439: A House Divided - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass A few years' back, John and his wife were driving back from a vacation in Concan, Texas.
序言 Ira Glass 几年前，约翰和他的妻子从德克萨斯州康坎度假回来，开车回家。
They had five kids in this van that they had rented for the trip, three of their own kids and then a couple of the neighbor's kids.
他们在为这次旅行租用的这辆货车里载着五个孩子，其中三个是他们自己的孩子，然后是几个邻居的孩子。
They stopped at a taqueria in San Antonio for lunch, and then got back on the road.
他们在圣安东尼奥的一家墨西哥快餐店停下来吃午饭，然后又上路了。
And John was feeling pretty good about things.
约翰对此感觉很好。
All the kids seemed happy, nobody had gotten hurt on the vacation, lunch was really cheap, though he noticed he was getting some weird looks from other cars on the road.
所有的孩子看起来都很高兴，假期里没有人受伤，午餐真的很便宜，尽管他注意到路上其他车辆对他投来了一些奇怪的目光。
And then, outside Sealy, coming into the home stretch of the drive, he sees this Texas Highway Patrol car.
然后，在西利郊外，进入车道的最后一段时，他看到了这辆德克萨斯州公路巡逻车。
Pursuing me like an angry hornet.
像一只愤怒的黄蜂一样追赶我。
I've been pulled over before.
我以前也被拉过
This just felt different.
这只是感觉不同。
I mean, it just kind of came out of nowhere and got on my tail and was just so aggressively driving.
我的意思是，它不知从哪里冒出来，追上了我的尾巴，而且驾驶得如此激进。
And I was totally bewildered.
我完全困惑了。
So he pulls over.
于是他把车停在路边。
And John says that, from watching the TV show Cops all these years, he knew that those two patrolmen are on, like, DEFCON 5.
约翰说，通过这些年观看电视节目《警察》，他知道那两名巡逻员正在观看《DEFCON 5》。
They are shouting at him over the patrol car's PA system.
他们通过巡逻车的广播系统对他大喊大叫。
Neither one of them had gotten out of the car.
两人都没有下车。
I'm fairly sure I could already see a gun sticking out of the driver's side.
我相当确定我已经看到一把枪从驾驶员一侧伸出。
And it was, you know, driver, with your left hand take your keys out of the ignition and put them on the hood.
你知道，司机用左手从点火开关中取出钥匙，然后将它们放在引擎盖上。
So of course I reach with my right hand, because that just seems impossible.
所以我当然会用右手，因为这似乎是不可能的。
And then, no, left hand.
然后，不，左手。
And you have to reach over the steering column and sort of put your hand upside down and then, like, get your hand out the window.
你必须把手伸到转向柱上，将手倒置，然后把手伸出窗外。
And, I want to see your right hand while you're-- you know, and then it was clasp your hands behind your head, and with your left hand open the door, and then get on your knees.
而且，我想看看你的右手，你知道，然后双手抱在脑后，用左手打开门，然后跪下。
You just kind of just go to pot.
你只是去锅里。
You can't really follow all those instructions because you're confused, you don't know why this is happening to you.
你无法真正遵循所有这些指示，因为你很困惑，你不知道为什么会发生这种情况。
You're freaking out a little bit.
你有点吓坏了。
By this time, I'm on my knees in shorts on the gravel shoulder, and backing towards this car on my knees with my hands clasped behind my head.
这时，我穿着短裤跪在碎石路肩上，双手抱在脑后，跪着朝这辆车倒退。
And he's thinking, maybe the car rental place got the paperwork messed up and reported the van is stolen, or maybe the cops thought they were smuggling people in from Mexico.
他在想，也许汽车租赁公司把文件弄乱了，报告说货车被偷了，或者警察认为他们正在从墨西哥偷渡人口。
They'd been so close to the border on their vacation.
他们度假时离边境非常近。
So, one of the cops comes out of the car and points a rifle at John's head, while the other one goes over to the van and starts asking a lot of questions of his wife, Jacqueline.
于是，一名警察从车里走出来，用步枪指着约翰的头，而另一名警察则走到货车旁，开始向他的妻子杰奎琳问了很多问题。
And inside the van, of course the kids are terrified.
在车里，孩子们当然很害怕。
His nine-year-old son is crying.
他九岁的儿子在哭泣。
And then, the cop who talked to Jacqueline now walks over to John, over on the shoulder of the road.
然后，与杰奎琳交谈的警察现在走到路肩上的约翰身边。
Well, he says, do you know what your daughter wrote on the car?
好吧，他说，你知道你女儿在车上写了什么吗？
I said no. And he told me that she'd written words to the effect that, please help me, we've been kidnapped, call 911.
我说不。他告诉我，她写了这样的话，大意是，请帮助我，我们被绑架了，请拨打 911。
And he told me, he said, well, son, for 15 minutes there you were the most wanted man in Texas.
他告诉我，他说，好吧，儿子，有 15 分钟的时间，你是德克萨斯州的头号通缉犯。
The exact wording, written in dust on the van's back window, was, help, please God, call 911, I've been kidnapped.
货车后窗上用灰尘写着的确切措辞是：救命啊，上帝啊，请拨打 911，我被绑架了。
And it wasn't John's daughter who wrote it.
这不是约翰的女儿写的。
The cop said that it was Ingrid.
警察说那是英格丽德。
The cop didn't know that that was one of the neighbor's kids.
警察不知道那是邻居的孩子之一。
And John was so humiliated and frustrated, that when the cop asked him if he knew that what Ingrid did was against the law, John's response was, yeah, haul her in, prosecute her.
约翰感到如此羞辱和沮丧，当警察问他是否知道英格丽德所做的事情是违法的时，约翰的回答是，是的，把她拖进来，起诉她。
Which they didn't do.
但他们没有这么做。
Before long, John was back in the car and on the road.
不久之后，约翰又回到车里，上路了。
And I'm just like, what the hell happened?
我就想，到底发生了什么？
I can't believe that you wrote that.
我不敢相信这是你写的。
And Ingrid, why did you do that?
英格丽德，你为什么这么做？
And then Ingrid was like, well, I didn't write all of it.
然后英格丽德说，好吧，我没有写全部。
I just wrote the part about call 911, and Malcolm was the one who wrote, I've been kidnapped.
我刚刚写了关于拨打 911 的部分，马尔科姆就是写的，我被绑架了。
And then, I'm like, well, who wrote the first thing on there.
然后，我想，好吧，谁在那里写了第一件事。
And Jacqueline was like, oh, well, that was me.
杰奎琳说，哦，好吧，那就是我。
What did she write?
她写了什么？
John Nova Lomax She wrote, help me, please, because she'd been so stressed out by being with those kids, and she knew that she had an hour and a half or so in the car with them left to go before we could get home.
约翰·诺瓦·洛马克斯 她写道，请帮帮我，因为和这些孩子在一起她压力很大，而且她知道在我们回家之前她还有一个半小时左右的时间，他们还要离开。
So she had come out of the restaurant first and had just written, help me, please.
所以她先从餐厅出来，然后写信说，请帮帮我。
And then, Malcolm came in and wrote, I've been kidnapped.
然后，马尔科姆进来写道，我被绑架了。
And then, Ingrid came and put the little cherry on the top of what was to almost get me arrested or killed.
然后，英格丽德来了，把小樱桃放在了差点让我被捕或被杀的东西上。
And I kept thinking that the story was going to be repeated to me as an urban legend at some cocktail party.
我一直在想，这个故事会在某个鸡尾酒会上作为都市传奇向我重复。
Like, oh, did you hear about this guy who-- you know, he would end up getting shot or something and killed by the police.
就像，哦，你听说过这个人吗——你知道，他最终会被警察开枪射击或杀死。
And now, I was going to say, in the urban legend version, you're dead, they shoot you.
现在，我想说，在都市传说版本中，你死了，他们开枪射杀你。
Yeah, totally.
是的，完全可以。
And then it would be pieced together and then I would haunt that section of highway.
然后它就会被拼凑起来，然后我就会在那段高速公路上出没。
John Lomax, he hasn't been alive for 10 years.
约翰·洛马克斯，他已经活了十年了。
If anybody pulled over to make out there, I would come limping down the road with a hook on my arm or something.
如果有人把车停在路边亲热，我就会胳膊上挂着钩子之类的东西，一瘸一拐地沿着路走来。
So, a bunch of kids dimed you out.
所以，一群孩子让你陷入困境。
Your own family dimed you out.
你自己的家人让你黯然失色。
Yeah, and then I rolled over on them, just shamefully.
是的，然后我就翻身压在他们身上，真是可耻。
That's the one thing I'm ashamed of is just urging that policeman to taking her to jail.
让我感到羞耻的一件事就是敦促那个警察把她送进监狱。
You've heard the saying, a house divided against itself cannot stand.
你听说过这句话，一个自相分裂的房子是站不住脚的。
Yes.
是的。
And that was a van divided against itself, and it didn't stand the trip from San Antonio to Houston.
那是一辆自相矛盾的货车，它无法承受从圣安东尼奥到休斯顿的旅程。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life , distributed by Public Radio International.
好吧，这是芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
When you start throwing around the phrase, a house divided against itself cannot stand, you are trafficking in one of the most ominous and overwrought sayings in Western history.
当你开始到处乱说“一个内部分裂的房子是站不住脚的”这句话时，你就是在贩卖西方历史上最不祥和最过度紧张的谚语之一。
This is something that Abraham Lincoln warned on the eve of the Civil War.
这是亚伯拉罕·林肯在内战前夕发出的警告。
It's something that Jesus said when the Pharisees accused him of being in league with Satan.
这是耶稣在法利赛人指责他与撒但勾结时所说的话。
And today in our show, we have three stories where that weighty old saying actually describes things in our everyday lives, because the people in these stories really do seem like they're on the verge of disaster.
今天在我们的节目中，我们有三个故事，这句沉重的老话实际上描述了我们日常生活中的事情，因为这些故事中的人们确实看起来正处于灾难的边缘。
We have a political story, we have a story of human anatomy, and we have a story of a family that just cannot seem to stay divorced, which, I know, sounds a little weird.
我们有一个政治故事，我们有一个人体解剖学的故事，还有一个关于一个似乎无法离婚的家庭的故事，我知道，这听起来有点奇怪。
Just stay with us.
就留在我们身边吧。
Act One, War of Northern Aggression.
第一幕，北方侵略战争。
It's a tough call these days, but if you're looking for the one state that more than any other is a house divided against itself, I would offer, for your consideration, Wisconsin.
如今，这是一个艰难的决定，但如果你正在寻找一个比其他任何州都更分裂的州，我会建议你考虑威斯康星州。
Of course, maybe you already know that.
当然，也许你已经知道了。
Maybe you saw the beginning of this, epic protests resisting Governor Scott Walker's budget cuts.
也许您已经看到了这场大规模抗议活动的开始，抗议州长斯科特·沃克的预算削减。
And then, even more controversial, his legislation that blew a hole in collective bargaining rights for teachers' unions and all kinds of government employees.
然后，更具争议性的是，他的立法在教师工会和各类政府雇员的集体谈判权方面造成了漏洞。
In the middle of all that, Democratic state senators fled to Illinois, where they stayed for three weeks trying to stall the bill.
在此期间，民主党州参议员逃到伊利诺伊州，在那里呆了三周，试图阻止该法案的通过。
Well, the latest-- and this part you might have missed-- is that the fight has not stopped.
好吧，最新的——你可能错过了这一部分——是战斗还没有停止。
Walker's bill passed, but the feelings against it have split Wisconsin into a political civil war.
沃克的法案获得通过，但反对该法案的情绪使威斯康星州陷入了一场政治内战。
The latest weapon of choice is this rarely used rule in the state's constitution that lets people knock politicians out of office.
最新选择的武器是该州宪法中很少使用的一条规则，该规则允许人们将政客赶下台。
If you want to give somebody the boot, you collect signatures, and if you get enough-- and it takes a lot-- you can force any public official into a recall election, where they have to run again in the middle of their term.
如果你想罢免某人，你就收集签名，如果你得到足够多的签名——这需要很多——你就可以迫使任何公职人员进行罢免选举，他们必须在任期中期再次参选。
As of now, six Republican state senators and three Democratic state senators will face recall elections in the coming months.
截至目前，六名共和党州参议员和三名民主党州参议员将在未来几个月面临罢免选举。
One of our producers, Ben Calhoun, recently went home to Wisconsin.
我们的一位制片人本·卡尔霍恩最近回到了威斯康星州的家中。
He grew up there.
他在那里长大。
He remembers getting dragged to his first political event by his parents when he was 10.
他记得十岁时，第一次被父母拉去参加政治活动。
And he spent a week traveling, talking to Democrats and Republicans around the state, which seems to be gradually losing its mind.
他花了一周的时间旅行，与该州各地的民主党人和共和党人交谈，该州似乎正在逐渐失去理智。
You can't really understand how much Wisconsin politics has changed in the last year without seeing what it was like before all this.
如果不亲眼目睹这一切之前的情况，你就无法真正理解威斯康星州的政治在去年发生了多大的变化。
In early May, you could still spot old Wisconsin politics, the way it used to be.
五月初，你仍然可以看到威斯康星州的旧政治，就像以前那样。
Early May was a big deadline for Wisconsin's recall war.
五月初是威斯康星州召回战的最后期限。
Petitions were due, and so all across the state, Democrats and Republicans were out collecting signatures, trying to force politicians into recall elections.
请愿书到期了，因此全州的民主党人和共和党人都在收集签名，试图迫使政客进行罢免选举。
On a Saturday morning, I met up with these two women, these two friends, Betty Barns and Pam Packard.
一个星期六的早上，我遇到了这两个女人，这两个朋友，贝蒂·巴恩斯和帕姆·帕卡德。
They were right where I was told they would be at 9:00 AM on Saturday, which was standing about 150 feet off a busy intersection in the empty parking lot of a doctor's office, next to a card table.
他们就在我被告知将于周六上午 9:00 到达的地方，距离医生办公室空荡荡的停车场中繁忙的十字路口约 150 英尺，旁边有一张牌桌。
Every Saturday, yeah.
每个星期六，是的。
Every night, 5:00 to 7:30.
每天晚上 5:00 至 7:30。
And then, Saturday, 9:00 to noon, we're here.
然后，周六，9:00 到中午，我们就到了。
Yes.
是的。
Betty Barns Every night.
贝蒂·巴恩斯 每晚。
We've been here every night for two weeks.
我们每晚都在这里呆了两周。
Wow, so you know this parking lot like nobody else.
哇，原来你对这个停车场了如指掌。
Rain, sleet, snow.
雨、雨夹雪、雪。
Betty Barns Snow, yeah.
贝蒂·巴恩斯·斯诺，是的。
We know it.
我们知道。
Betty and Pam were trying to collect enough signatures to force their state senator, a Democrat named Julie Lassa, into a recall election.
贝蒂和帕姆试图收集足够的签名，迫使他们的州参议员、一位名叫朱莉·拉萨的民主党人参加罢免选举。
Lassa was one of the 14 Democrats who fled Wisconsin trying to tie up Governor Scott Walker's anti-union legislation.
拉萨是逃离威斯康星州、试图阻止州长斯科特·沃克反工会立法的 14 名民主党人之一。
What was remarkable about Betty and Pam's set-up the day I was with them is just how much energy they'd spent making one of the most controversial moments in Wisconsin state politics, making it all as non-confrontational as possible.
我和贝蒂和帕姆在一起的那天，他们的安排的非凡之处在于，他们花费了多少精力，创造了威斯康星州政治中最具争议的时刻之一，使这一切尽可能地非对抗性。
Part of it is just Betty and Pam's personalities.
部分原因在于贝蒂和帕姆的个性。
They're not yellers.
他们不是大喊大叫的人。
They're 99% your grandma, 1% Sean Hannity.
他们99%是你的祖母，1%是肖恩·汉尼提。
But there were other things.
但还有其他事情。
Like, for example, you know I said they were about 150 feet from the street?
比如说，你知道我说过他们距离街道大约 150 英尺吗？
Well, Betty and Pam told me they deliberately set up in this parking lot away from the road, because, even though it made them harder to see, this was private property, and that way, if anyone wanted to come up and argue about what's happening, they could just tell them they had to leave.
好吧，贝蒂和帕姆告诉我，他们故意把这个停车场设置在远离马路的地方，因为尽管这让他们更难看到，但这是私人财产，这样，如果有人想上来争论正在发生的事情，他们可以告诉他们必须离开。
And while I was there, their strategy worked like a dream.
当我在那里时，他们的策略就像做梦一样有效。
All morning long, no confrontations to speak of, until the end of the day, when Pam and Betty were packing up to leave and this woman leaned out of a blue car that was passing by and yelled.
整个早上，没有任何冲突可言，直到一天结束时，当帕姆和贝蒂收拾行李准备离开时，这个女人从一辆路过的蓝色汽车里探出身来，大喊大叫。
We love Julie Lassa.
我们爱朱莉·拉萨。
Ben Calhoun OK, it's very hard to hear.
本·卡尔霍恩：好吧，这很难听清。
She was way out in the intersection.
她在十字路口很远的地方。
But what she yelled was, we love Julie Lassa.
但她喊的是，我们爱朱莉·拉萨。
As in, that woman that you're trying to recall, we love her.
就像，你试图回忆起的那个女人，我们爱她。
I wondered what Pam and Betty would do.
我想知道帕姆和贝蒂会做什么。
And then, for a surprisingly long time, they just didn't say anything, long enough that I started to wonder if they were going to pretend it hadn't happened at all.
然后，在令人惊讶的很长一段时间里，他们什么也没说，足够长的时间让我开始怀疑他们是否会假装这件事根本没有发生过。
That's pretty typical.
这很典型。
Ben Calhoun The yelling?
本·卡尔霍恩 大喊大叫？
We love Julie Lassa.
我们爱朱莉·拉萨。
Woman 2 [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
女人 2 [无法理解]。
Yeah.
是的。
I don't dislike her.
我并不讨厌她。
She's a great mom.
她是一位伟大的妈妈。
This is what I'm getting at.
这就是我的意思。
This was as harsh as it got.
这真是太残酷了。
All morning, on the front lines of the most heated, intense political fight Wisconsin has seen in years, and this was it.
整个上午，威斯康星州多年来都在前线进行最激烈的政治斗争，这就是它。
You have someone heckling by saying they love someone, and then Betty saying, I don't dislike her, I think she's a good mom.
有人质问说他们爱某人，然后贝蒂说，我不喜欢她，我认为她是个好妈妈。
That's the Wisconsin politics I know.
这就是我所了解的威斯康星州政治。
Because, having talked to Betty for more than an hour and listened to her complain about Julie Lassa and the Democrats to her friends and neighbors, frowning and saying things like dereliction of duty and there need to be consequences, I know that what Betty was feeling inside probably went something more like this: I think Julie Lassa is a terrible state senator, one of those despicable Democrats who fled the state, shrugged off the responsibility to stay and vote in the minority, and take the political beating I think she deserves, and now I want to punish her, so badly, in fact, that I'm willing to stand here, here in this cold fricking parking lot every night, and every Saturday morning, just to make that happen.
因为，和贝蒂聊了一个多小时，听她向朋友和邻居抱怨朱莉·拉萨和民主党，皱着眉头说玩忽职守、需要承担后果之类的话，我知道贝蒂内心的感受可能更像是这样的：我认为朱莉·拉萨是一位糟糕的州参议员，是那些逃离该州的卑鄙民主党人之一，推卸了留下来并在少数派中投票的责任，并遭受政治打击。我认为她罪有应得，现在我想惩罚她，事实上，非常严重，我愿意每天晚上和每个星期六早上都站在这里，在这个寒冷的停车场，只是为了实现这一点。
But that wasn't what she said.
但她不是这么说的。
What she said was, I think she's a good mom.
她说的是，我认为她是一个好妈妈。
In Wisconsin, traditionally, you might disagree about politics, and you might get worked up, but for the most part it's not something you go to war with your neighbor about.
在威斯康星州，传统上，你可能会对政治有不同意见，你可能会生气，但在大多数情况下，这不是你与邻居开战的事情。
Being civil is more important.
文明一点更重要。
All the screaminess of our national politics, you try to avoid that.
我们国家政治的所有尖叫声，你都试图避免。
And at the very least, you don't let it show.
至少，你不让它表现出来。
But that's the old Wisconsin.
但这是老威斯康星州。
And spending time in my home state recently, with Democrats trying to recall Republicans, Republicans trying to recall Democrats, I saw something that was unfamiliar, an anger that's infected the entire state.
最近在我的家乡度过了一段时间，民主党试图召回共和党，共和党试图召回民主党，我看到了一些陌生的东西，一种感染了整个州的愤怒。
As far as I know, there isn't a good way to measure pure anger.
据我所知，没有一个好的方法来衡量纯粹的愤怒。
But I'll tell you one rising indicator, and this is one pollsters don't usually count, I can tell you, without question, the use of the middle finger in Wisconsin politics is way up.
但我会告诉你一个上升的指标，这是一个民意调查人员通常不会计算的指标，我可以毫无疑问地告诉你，威斯康星州政治中中指的使用率大幅上升。
On sidewalks and in parking lots across the entire state, people are flipping each other off at alarming rates.
在全州的人行道和停车场，人们正以惊人的速度互相争吵。
And the trend is bipartisan.
这种趋势是两党共同的。
This brings me to this short video that I saw.
这让我想到了我看到的这段短视频。
You can watch this thing yourself if you want.
如果你愿意的话，你可以自己看这个东西。
It's on YouTube.
它在 YouTube 上。
It's a video of the campaign announcement.
这是竞选公告的视频。
Quick background, on March 9, a Republican state senator named Luther Olsen voted in favor of Governor Walker's bill that attacked collective bargaining.
3 月 9 日，一位名叫路德·奥尔森 (Luther Olsen) 的共和党州参议员投票支持了沃克州长攻击集体谈判的法案。
Because of that, Democrats decided they were going to take Luther down.
正因为如此，民主党人决定他们要推翻路德。
They organized a petition drive, filed thousands of signatures, and successfully forced Luther into a recall election this summer.
他们组织了请愿运动，提交了数千个签名，并成功迫使路德参加今年夏天的罢免选举。
Enter a Democratic state representative named Fred Clark, who announced he was going to challenge Olsen, try to knock him out of office.
一位名叫弗雷德·克拉克（Fred Clark）的民主党州代表登场，他宣布将挑战奥尔森，试图将他赶下台。
The video that I saw that caught my attention was of Fred announcing that he was running, which he did on April 21.
我看到的引起我注意的视频是 Fred 宣布参选，他于 4 月 21 日宣布参选。
OK, OK, so let's get this rolling and then we can pause it whenever you have a point where you want to explain what's going on in the room.
好吧，好吧，让我们开始吧，然后每当你想要解释房间里发生的事情时我们就可以暂停。
Fred and I watched this video together in his home office, the office where Fred runs his forestry business.
弗雷德和我在他的家庭办公室（弗雷德经营林业业务的办公室）一起观看了这段视频。
To get to it, we had to go through the first floor, which has more than half a dozen chainsaws hanging from the ceiling.
为了到达那里，我们必须穿过一楼，那里的天花板上悬挂着六把以上的电锯。
Fred explained that he decided to make his campaign announcement in his home town of 12,000, Baraboo, Wisconsin.
弗雷德解释说，他决定在他拥有 12,000 人的家乡威斯康星州巴拉布发表竞选公告。
For a location, he picked the town civic center, which used to be a school.
对于地点，他选择了镇民中心，那里曾经是一所学校。
So picture a classroom.
想象一下教室。
Fred's standing in front of a chalkboard behind a lectern.
弗雷德站在讲台后面的黑板前。
Fred's tall and skinny, with a neatly trimmed beard that's turning gray.
弗雷德又高又瘦，胡须修剪得整整齐齐，但已经开始变灰了。
As he gets ready to speak, he has glasses hanging around his neck by a string, and they make him look more like a high school history teacher and less like a guy who runs a forestry business.
当他准备说话时，他的脖子上挂着一副眼镜，这让他看起来更像是一名高中历史老师，而不是一个经营林业生意的人。
I have to say, from the first time I saw this video, even the first 30 seconds of cheering sounded kind of weird.
不得不说，从我第一次看到这个视频开始，就连前30秒的欢呼声都显得有些奇怪。
[CHEERING] Ben Calhoun Are those boos that are in the background?
[欢呼] 本·卡尔霍恩 背景中的那些嘘声是吗？
No, at that point you're hearing cheering and clapping.
不，那时你会听到欢呼声和鼓掌声。
[CHEERING] And as I opened it up, I wasn't even aware that there were Olsen supporters in the room at that point.
[欢呼]当我打开它时，我什至不知道当时房间里有奥尔森的支持者。
By Olsen supporters, Fred means people who support the Republican he's trying to knock out of office, people who'd come there that day to Fred's announcement, not to cheer, but to heckle.
弗雷德所说的奥尔森支持者，是指那些支持他试图将其赶下台的共和党人的人，他们是在弗雷德宣布这一消息的那一天来到这里的人，不是为了欢呼，而是为了质问。
Fred says they were hard to see from where he was, but in the video, the camera pans back across the crowd.
弗雷德说，从他所在的位置很难看到他们，但在视频中，镜头向后扫过人群。
There's another one there.
那里还有另外一个。
There's one there.
那里有一个。
Yep.
是的。
So back in here, the number of the Olsen supporters that have come in have started raising Olsen signs.
回到这里，进来的奥尔森支持者已经开始举起奥尔森的标语。
It looks like, let's see, they've got a couple of his old yard signs they pulled up, and then some handmade signs.
看起来，让我们看看，他们拉起了一些他的旧院子标志，然后是一些手工制作的标志。
That was my first clue that these guys had kind of worked their way into the room and the fun was going to start.
这是我的第一个线索，这些家伙已经进入了房间，乐趣即将开始。
At first, it seems like just a little booing and jeering.
起初，这似乎只是一些嘘声和嘲笑。
But pretty soon, you can hear people really start yelling at each other.
但很快，你就能听到人们开始互相大喊大叫。
While things get rowdier, Fred's up front trying to soldier through his speech.
当事情变得更加激烈时，弗雷德却在前面试图通过他的演讲来表现自己。
Eventually, people start pleading with each other to stop, including Fred, who looks a little bewildered.
最终，人们开始互相恳求停下来，包括弗雷德，他看起来有点困惑。
One woman yells, we're nice in Wisconsin.
一位女士喊道，我们在威斯康星州很好。
We're nice in Wisconsin.
我们在威斯康星州很好。
Fred Clark All right, let's be respectful, please.
Fred Clark 好吧，请保持尊重。
Be civil.
保持文明。
Fred Clark We've got over 850 volunteers, work seven days a week in one of the worse springs in recent memory.
Fred Clark：我们有超过 850 名志愿者，每周工作 7 天，在最近记忆中最糟糕的春天之一。
Are people just kind of shouting at each other right there?
人们只是在那里互相大喊大叫吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, I think, at that point, there's been some jostling.
是的，我认为，在这一点上，发生了一些争吵。
Olsen supporters had started to whistle and yell, and some of our supporters were asking them to be quiet.
奥尔森的支持者开始吹口哨和大喊大叫，我们的一些支持者要求他们保持安静。
And that's when the air in the room started to get a little thick.
就在那时，房间里的空气开始变得有些粘稠。
From there, it got worse, particularly when a friend of Fred's, a guy named Chuck, he started taking pictures of some of the Republicans.
从那时起，情况变得更糟，特别是当弗雷德的一个名叫查克的朋友开始给一些共和党人拍照时。
He was pointing his camera at one of them, and the person he was taking the picture stuck out a sign to block the shot.
他把相机对着其中一个人，而他拍照的人伸出了一个牌子挡住了镜头。
Chuck raised the camera higher.
张策把相机举得更高。
And then, at that point, somebody just reached out and grabbed it by the lens and pulled it down.
然后，就在那时，有人伸手抓住镜头并将其拉下来。
And I'm not sure if it hit the floor or pulled the lens off, but at that point you hear Chuck saying, you broke my camera.
我不确定它是撞到地板还是把镜头拉下来，但就在那时你听到查克说，你弄坏了我的相机。
That's the point when my friend, Homer, who's a pretty big fellow but very gentle man, decided that the thing for him to do was climb on a table so he could see what was happening, just in case it became important later.
就在那时，我的朋友荷马（Homer）是一个相当高大但非常温柔的人，他决定他要做的就是爬到桌子上，这样他就可以看到发生了什么，以防万一以后事情变得很重要。
I think that was a trigger for the Olsen supporters to start shouting at me and interrupting me and--
我认为这触发了奥尔森的支持者开始对我大喊大叫并打断我——
The rest of the 12-minute video's all like this, the Olsen supporters heckling, the Clark supporters trying to shout the hecklers down, some people pleading for it all to stop, and Fred Clark just looking kind of flustered.
12 分钟视频的其余部分都是这样的，奥尔森的支持者在质问，克拉克的支持者试图大声喊叫，一些人恳求这一切停止，而弗雷德·克拉克看起来有点慌张。
Remember, this isn't a presidential rally, a race for US Senate, or even congressional representatives, where this would all still seem a little weird.
请记住，这不是一场总统集会，也不是一场美国参议院竞选，甚至不是一场国会代表竞选，在这些地方，这一切似乎仍然有点奇怪。
This is a race for the Wisconsin state legislature.
这是威斯康星州立法机构的竞选。
Do you even know who your state senator is?
你知道你的州参议员是谁吗？
Me neither.
我也不。
The craziest thing, something you'd never know just watching this online, is just how close everyone in the room is personally, like in their personal lives, when they weren't shouting at each other like this.
最疯狂的事情是，你在网上观看这个节目时永远不会知道，房间里的每个人之间的关系是多么亲密，就像在他们的个人生活中一样，当他们没有像这样互相大喊大叫时。
What percentage of the people do you know in the room?
房间里有多少人是你认识的？
There's Charlie Bradley.
那是查理·布拉德利。
There's Roger Springman.
这是罗杰·斯普林曼。
There's Ed and Jill Brennan.
这是艾德·布伦南和吉尔·布伦南。
I probably personally know 75% of the people in the room.
我个人可能认识房间里 75% 的人。
Did you know any of the Olsen supporters who were there?
您认识在场的奥尔森支持者吗？
Did you recognize anyone?
你认出谁了吗？
Yeah, and that's really the interesting part of it to me.
是的，这对我来说确实是有趣的部分。
I knew a number of them.
我认识他们中的一些人。
Fred says, among the people harassing him, there were some people he wasn't surprised to see.
弗雷德说，在骚扰他的人中，有一些人他并不感到惊讶。
There was the head of the county Tea Party, who Fred says he got along OK with in the past, but he wasn't shocked to see him.
弗雷德说他过去和县茶党的负责人相处得很好，但看到他并不感到惊讶。
But there were others, like a school board member, someone he knows pretty well, someone he sat down and talked to a lot of times.
但还有其他人，比如学校董事会成员，他非常熟悉的人，他坐下来并与之交谈过很多次的人。
There was a county supervisor who Fred also knows pretty well.
有一位县长，弗雷德也很认识。
I think most interesting was my own town chairman, here in a rural township, was there protesting.
我认为最有趣的是我自己的镇主席，在一个乡村小镇，在那里抗议。
And this is a fellow who I've known for years, who'd been a supporter of mine previously, and who I've worked with on a number of issues, including an issue having to do with flooding on a local creek.
这是一个我认识多年的人，他以前是我的支持者，我曾在许多问题上与他合作过，包括与当地小溪洪水有关的问题。
Did you get that?
你明白了吗？
This guy that Fred's talking about was a political ally, a former supporter, who'd come out that day to heckle.
弗雷德所说的这个人是一位政治盟友，一位前支持者，那天他出来质问。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
And I think that's a clue to where we are right now.
我认为这是我们现在所处位置的线索。
And now, get this.
现在，得到这个。
Fred didn't used to just get along politically with some of the Olsen supporters who are now screaming at him, he used to get along with Luther Olsen, the Republican he's now challenging.
弗雷德过去不仅仅与一些现在对他大喊大叫的奥尔森支持者在政治上相处融洽，他过去还与他现在挑战的共和党人路德·奥尔森相处融洽。
They had their political differences, but according to both of them, they like each other, think the other's a good public servant, and that they're easy to work with even though they're from opposing parties.
他们在政治上存在分歧，但据他们俩说，他们彼此喜欢对方，认为对方是一个好公务员，而且即使来自对立政党，他们也很容易合作。
Matter of fact, the morning Scott Walker unveiled his anti-union legislation, Luther Olsen and Fred Clark were doing an event together.
事实上，斯科特·沃克公布反工会立法的那天早上，路德·奥尔森和弗雷德·克拉克正在一起举办一个活动。
They were both shocked.
他们两人都震惊了。
Luther, the Republican, even called Walker's idea radical.
共和党人路德甚至称沃克的想法激进。
But eventually, under a lot of pressure, Luther caved, fell in line with his party, and voted with the governor.
但最终，在巨大的压力下，路德屈服了，与他的政党保持一致，并投票支持州长。
And that vote drew a line between Fred and Luther.
那次投票在弗雷德和路德之间划出了界限。
I think Luther's the same guy.
我认为路德是同一个人。
I think I'm the same guy.
我想我是同一个人。
We're just in a very different environment right now.
我们现在只是处于一个非常不同的环境中。
And this is an environment that is testing the character of anybody who's in elected office today.
这是一个正在考验当今当选公职的任何人的品格的环境。
I like Luther personally.
我个人很喜欢路德。
And in any environment that you might call normal, Luther and I could get along just fine.
在任何你可能称之为正常的环境中，路德和我都能相处得很好。
And in fact, a lot of people have supported both of us and appreciated the fact that we work together across the aisle as well as we do.
事实上，很多人都支持我们俩，并赞赏我们跨党派的合作。
So you know of people who would cast a vote for you and vote for Luther in an election.
所以你知道有人会在选举中投票给你并投票给路德。
Oh, I know hundreds of them.
哦，我认识数百个。
Ben Calhoun Do you feel like the two of you-- and not just the two of you, but like, all the people in this room-- kind of got drafted into a situation that wasn't one of your making?
本·卡尔霍恩：你是否觉得你们两个——不仅仅是你们两个，而是这个房间里的所有人——都被选入了一种不是你们造成的境地？
I agree with that.
我同意这一点。
I think what people are wondering about right now is, where's the Wisconsin that we knew?
我想人们现在想知道的是，我们所知道的威斯康星州在哪里？
I told Fred Clark, in my whole life I'd never seen anything like this in Wisconsin politics.
我告诉弗雷德·克拉克，我一生中从未在威斯康星州政坛见过这样的事情。
And he told me people have been comparing this to the Vietnam War protests, which raises a question.
他告诉我，人们一直将此与越南战争抗议活动进行比较，这提出了一个问题。
A lot of controversial stuff has happened between the Vietnam War and today, so why was it this issue that's turned the state into a political bloodbath?
从越南战争到今天，发生了很多有争议的事情，那么为什么这个问题会让国家陷入政治大屠杀呢？
Wisconsin's a big rural state, but it's not conservative.
威斯康星州是一个农村大州，但并不保守。
Its politics are in the middle, leaning a little towards the left.
它的政治处于中间，稍微偏左。
Organized labor has a long history in the state, and Wisconsin's gone Democratic in every presidential election since Reagan.
有组织的劳工在该州有着悠久的历史，自里根以来，威斯康星州在每次总统选举中都成为民主党人。
But bottom line, it's moderate, polite, and civil, and moderate.
但归根结底，它是温和的、礼貌的、文明的、温和的。
That right there is really the break Scott Walker has made.
这就是斯科特·沃克真正取得的突破。
His plan, whether you love it or you hate it, was a big move away from the middle.
他的计划，无论你喜欢还是讨厌，都是远离中间的一大步。
He's pulled a pretty moderate state dramatically towards an extreme, and done something they don't do in Wisconsin.
他把一个相当温和的州戏剧性地推向了极端，并做了一些威斯康星州没有做的事情。
He's picked a fight.
他选择了战斗。
And he's forced a lot of people who don't like to fight to choose sides anyway.
无论如何，他迫使很多不喜欢战斗的人选择立场。
I can't tell you how many stories I heard about people collecting recall signatures on both sides getting harassed.
我无法告诉你我听过多少关于收集双方签名的人受到骚扰的故事。
I heard about a guy who got punched by someone who then tried to take his clipboard.
我听说有一个人被某人打了一拳，然后有人试图拿走他的写字板。
Democrats in Milwaukee suburbs told me, while they were collecting on the side of the road, they had several people in cars swerve towards them, hit the gas, and then swerve away at the last minute.
密尔沃基郊区的民主党人告诉我，当他们在路边集合时，有几个车里的人转向他们，踩油门，然后在最后一刻转向离开。
23,300.
23,300。
Ben Calhoun And you needed, originally?
本·卡尔霍恩 你最初需要吗？
15,960.
15,960。
Ben Calhoun Oh, wow.
本·卡尔霍恩 噢，哇。
So that's, I mean--
所以，我的意思是——
Yep, we did it.
是的，我们做到了。
Ben Calhoun This is Kim Simac.
本·卡尔霍恩 这是金·西马克。
She spent a couple months organizing a recall campaign that landed 23,000 signatures.
她花了几个月的时间组织了一次召回活动，获得了 23,000 个签名。
It was against her state senator, a Democrat, one of 14 who fled to Illinois.
这是针对她的州参议员的，一位民主党人，14 名逃往伊利诺伊州的参议员之一。
That bothered me a lot.
这让我很困扰。
Ben Calhoun When I talked to Kim, I asked her if things in her part of the state had turned personal.
本·卡尔霍恩（Ben Calhoun） 当我和金谈话时，我问她，她所在的地区的事情是否变得私人化了。
She took me into her kitchen.
她带我走进她的厨房。
Some of the nasty stuff, what I did was--
我所做的一些令人讨厌的事情是——
To collect signatures, Kim had mailed petitions out to people in the district.
为了收集签名，金向该地区的人们邮寄了请愿书。
And under a magnet on her refrigerator, she had a stack that had come back to her with angry messages on them.
在她冰箱上的一块磁铁下面，有一叠寄给她的信，上面写着愤怒的信息。
Kim didn't seem super eager to read them to me, which is how I learned that it feels very, very awkward to read someone else's hate mail out loud to them.
金似乎并不急于读给我听，这就是我了解到大声读给他们听别人的仇恨邮件感觉非常非常尴尬的原因。
Come to my house for a signature.
来我家签名吧
Go [BLEEP] yourselves.
你自己去[哔]吧。
Go [BLEEP] yourself, you [BLEEP] suckers.
自己去[BLEEP]吧，你们这些[BLEEP]傻瓜。
How dare you send [BLEEP] to my house.
你怎么敢发送[BLEEP]到我家。
So they mailed this back to you?
所以他们把这个寄回给你了？
Mmm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
We were going to put a big mural together, kind of fun, and put it on Facebook.
我们打算制作一幅有趣的大型壁画，并将其放在 Facebook 上。
And then afterwards, it just got to be not so funny anymore.
然后，事情就不再那么有趣了。
And so, we just--
所以，我们只是——
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
Kim Simac Yeah, that's not a nice one.
Kim Simac 是的，这可不太好。
All this hostility, it isn't just people at rallies and protests.
所有这些敌意不仅仅是集会和抗议中的人们。
It's seeped down into the groundwater of everyday life.
它已经渗透到日常生活的地下水中。
Kim says it's not just anonymous mail.
金说这不仅仅是匿名邮件。
She's lost friends over this, good friends.
她因此失去了朋友，好朋友。
She's lived in this place for a long time.
她在这个地方住了很长时间了。
She raised nine kids here, but she says it all feels different now.
她在这里抚养了九个孩子，但她说现在一切都不同了。
Well, I mean, at the post office, at the grocery store, I've had people waiting at the end of my driveway for me that are-- it's scary.
嗯，我的意思是，在邮局、杂货店，有人在我的车道尽头等我，这很可怕。
We have cameras on the driveway now.
我们现在在车道上安装了摄像头。
I mean, all of that, that's all ugly.
我的意思是，所有这一切都很丑陋。
I sent nine kids to this school here, and I've had quite a few of the teachers-- I mean, I had one flip me off recently.
我把九个孩子送到了这所学校，我有很多老师——我的意思是，最近有一个老师让我很反感。
It was like, OK.
就像，好吧。
Kim says one of the teachers at the school she mentioned, the one where she sent all of her kids, a teacher there put together a list of businesses that people should boycott.
金说，她提到的学校的一位老师，也就是她送所有孩子去的那所学校，那里的一位老师列出了一份人们应该抵制的企业清单。
Kim and her husband, who own a horse stable in a camp, were at the top of the list.
金和她的丈夫在营地里拥有一个马厩，名列榜首。
Also, the recall Kim organized against her state senator, a Democrat named Jim Holperin, it was also personal.
此外，金组织的针对她的州参议员、一位名叫吉姆·霍尔珀林的民主党人的罢免也是针对个人的。
For Kim, Jim Holperin wasn't just a name on a ballot.
对于金来说，吉姆·霍尔珀林不仅仅是选票上的一个名字。
He went to the same school as her husband, and they run into each other in town, though Kim says the two of them haven't spoken in the last few years, since she started an argument about global warming when they ran into each other at their local post office.
他和她丈夫在同一所学校，他们在城里相遇，尽管金说他们两人在过去几年里没有说过话，因为当他们在当地邮局相遇时，她开始了关于全球变暖的争论。
Kim and Jim's situation is surprising because of who Jim Holperin is.
金和吉姆的处境令人惊讶，因为吉姆·霍尔珀林就是这样的人。
Jim was actually one of the very first state senators in Wisconsin targeted for recall.
吉姆实际上是威斯康星州最早被罢免的州参议员之一。
And if you met Jim Holperin on the street, that just might blow your mind.
如果您在街上遇到吉姆·霍尔珀林（Jim Holperin），那可能会让您大吃一惊。
Jim Holperin is clean-cut, gray-haired, reserved, and nice.
吉姆·霍尔珀林 (Jim Holperin) 面容干净，头发灰白，性格内向，但和蔼可亲。
If you lived in a town called This Guy Will Never Be Controversial, Jim would be your state senator.
如果您住在一个名为“这个人永远不会引起争议”的小镇，吉姆将成为您的州参议员。
And he would never, ever be holding in his hand an email that ended like this.
他永远不会手里拿着一封这样结尾的电子邮件。
Your ads on TV are a fricking joke.
你们在电视上的广告简直就是个笑话。
You ran instead of standing up for your constituents.
你参选而不是为你的选民挺身而出。
You have no clue what hardworking people even are, you egotistical bureaucrat and useless piece-of-crap politician.
你根本不知道什么是勤奋的人，你这个自私的官僚和无用的垃圾政客。
Just want to let you know how the majority of us that really work and pay taxes in this state feel about you and the other idiots that are trying to bankrupt us.
只是想让你知道我们大多数在这个州真正工作和纳税的人对你和其他试图让我们破产的白痴有何感想。
Good luck getting a real job after you get recalled, you jackwad.
祝你被召回后能找到一份真正的工作好运，你这个笨蛋。
Sincerely, Feel You Are Completely Worthless, Bruce.
真诚地，感觉你完全没有价值，布鲁斯。
When Walker's legislation came down the pipe, and Jim fled to Illinois with the other Dems, Jim says the phone calls he was getting were 75% against him, but the letters were 75% for him.
当沃克的立法即将通过时，吉姆与其他民主党人一起逃到伊利诺伊州，吉姆说，他接到的电话中有 75% 是反对他的，但信件中有 75% 是支持他的。
Some people called him a jackwad.
有人称他为傻瓜。
Some people called him a hero.
有些人称他为英雄。
Jim says he doesn't feel like either.
吉姆说他也不喜欢。
Jim says he feels like what he's always been, a conservative Democrat, a moderate, a guy from the middle.
吉姆说，他感觉自己一如既往，一个保守的民主党人，一个温和派，一个来自中间派的人。
And that's what makes this all so strange to him.
这就是让这一切对他来说如此奇怪的原因。
I've been viewed, I think and I hope, over the years as being a somewhat reasonable guy.
我想，也希望，这些年来我一直被视为一个有点通情达理的人。
Well, on this issue, we've got a divisiveness in this state that starts at the family level and goes to the community level and goes right up to the state level.
嗯，在这个问题上，我们州存在分歧，从家庭层面开始，一直到社区层面，一直到州层面。
But the outcome of all that is it's made a guy like me, who liked to think of himself as reasonable, and I hope was maybe perceived as reasonable and someone independent, it's made me seem unreasonable, unwilling to compromise, and someone who is dug in and unwilling to listen.
但所有这一切的结果是，它让像我这样的人，喜欢认为自己是通情达理的，我希望可能被认为是通情达理的、独立的人，这让我看起来不通情理，不愿意妥协，是一个固执己见、不愿意倾听的人。
That's disturbing to me personally, and it's the most disturbing part of this whole thing.
这让我个人感到不安，也是整件事中最令人不安的部分。
As election time for the recalls has gotten closer, things have gotten more outrageous.
随着罢免选举的时间越来越近，事情变得更加离谱。
The GOP decided to run fake Democrats in the recall elections to confuse Democratic voters, but more importantly, to trigger Democratic primaries, which will put off the moment when Republicans face Democrats, presumably to give them more time to campaign and boost their poll numbers.
共和党决定在罢免选举中让假民主党参选，以迷惑民主党选民，但更重要的是，引发民主党初选，这将推迟共和党与民主党的对决，想必是为了让他们有更多时间竞选并提高民调支持率。
Putting fake candidates on ballots is the kind of dirty tactic that's not unheard of, though when it's used it's frowned on, so nobody would admit to it publicly.
在选票上放置假候选人是一种并非闻所未闻的肮脏策略，但使用时会引起人们的不满，因此没有人会公开承认这一点。
In Wisconsin, it's become so us-versus-them that the Wisconsin Republican Party is openly admitting that they're doing this, that they are behind the fake Democrats on the ballot.
在威斯康星州，我们与他们之间的对抗已经变得如此激烈，以至于威斯康星州共和党公开承认他们正在这样做，他们在选票上支持假民主党。
Meantime, worried that they might lose their majority in the Senate, the state Republican Party battened down its hatches and started fast-tracking a bunch of controversial bills through the legislature.
与此同时，由于担心自己可能会失去参议院的多数席位，州共和党严阵以待，并开始在立法机关快速审议一系列有争议的法案。
Democrats, unable to stop them, have gotten extreme, too.
民主党人无法阻止他们，也变得极端。
Even though the crowds at the Capitol aren't what they were, the other day two protesters opposing Governor Walker's budget used those heavy, U-shaped bike locks to lock their throats to the railing of the Wisconsin state Senate.
尽管国会大厦的人群已不如往常，但前几天，两名反对沃克州长预算的抗议者使用那些沉重的 U 形自行车锁将他们的喉咙锁在威斯康星州参议院的栏杆上。
One of them told police officers he'd swallowed the key.
其中一人告诉警察他吞下了钥匙。
Talking to Wisconsin politicians about what's happening, I often got this nagging feeling that this is all very disorienting.
在与威斯康星州政客谈论正在发生的事情时，我经常有一种挥之不去的感觉，这一切都非常令人迷失方向。
And eventually, I realized it's because they built their careers in a political environment where diplomacy matters, and suddenly they're fighting for those careers in a place where the rules have changed.
最终，我意识到这是因为他们在一个外交很重要的政治环境中建立了自己的职业生涯，突然间他们在一个规则已经改变的地方为这些职业而奋斗。
The thing about a big move like Walker's, it can take a place where people value meeting in the middle and compromise and turn it into a place where everything is black and white.
像沃克这样的重大举措，它可以取代一个人们重视中间会面和妥协的地方，并将其变成一个一切都是非黑即白的地方。
And in a black-and-white world, the people like Jim Holperin, who like grey, they become outcasts, and they risk getting attacked from both sides.
在黑白世界里，像吉姆·霍尔珀林这样喜欢灰色的人，他们会成为被抛弃的人，并且面临着受到双方攻击的风险。
I didn't just get that feeling from Democrats like Jim Holperin, the guy with the jackwad email, I heard it from moderate Republicans, too.
我不仅从像吉姆·霍尔珀林（Jim Holperin）这样的民主党人那里得到了这种感觉，他也从温和的共和党人那里听到了这种感觉。
State Senator Luther Olsen, the Republican whose supporters stirred up trouble in that video you heard, Olsen said something to me just like Jim.
州参议员路德·奥尔森（Luther Olsen）是一名共和党人，他的支持者在你听到的视频中制造了麻烦，奥尔森对我说了一些话，就像吉姆一样。
He said, when Walker unveiled his controversial legislation, Luther reached out to his Republican colleagues to offer a compromise, an olive branch.
他说，当沃克公布他有争议的立法时，路德向他的共和党同事伸出了妥协的橄榄枝。
But there was so much pressure from Walker that the middle ground vanished.
但沃克的压力太大，中间立场消失了。
Those were his words.
这是他的话。
The middle ground vanished.
中间地带消失了。
Before Luther knew it, he was being recalled, and Fred Clark was challenging him for his office.
路德还没意识到，他就被召回了，弗雷德·克拉克正在挑战他的职位。
And their race kind of sums up what's going on, because in any other election, Fred and Luther would be a moderate Democrat against a moderate Republican.
他们的种族总结了正在发生的事情，因为在任何其他选举中，弗雷德和路德都会是温和的民主党人，而不是温和的共和党人。
But in the recall election this summer, it will be the guy who voted with Scott Walker and the guy who voted against him.
但在今年夏天的罢免选举中，将是投票支持斯科特·沃克的人和投票反对他的人。
Ben Calhoun.
本·卡尔霍恩.
He's one of the producers of our show.
他是我们节目的制作人之一。
[MUSIC - "THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS ON THE LEFT" BY JOHNNY CASH]
[音乐 - 约翰尼·卡什的《右边的人在左边》]
Coming up, the laziest organ in your body takes a stand against the others.
接下来，你体内最懒惰的器官就会与其他器官对抗。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our show, of course, we choose a theme and bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，并为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show, A House Divided.
今天的节目是《分裂的房子》。
We have stories of internal strife with possible dire consequences.
我们有关于内部冲突可能造成可怕后果的故事。
We've arrived at Act Two of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, Split a Gut.
第二幕，分裂肠子。
Comedian Julian McCullough tells a story on stage about this night when he suddenly had this urgent, explosive feeling in his gut.
喜剧演员朱利安·麦卡洛在舞台上讲述了一个关于那天晚上的故事，当时他的内心突然有一种紧迫、爆炸性的感觉。
He assumed food poisoning, and so he asked his friend, Sean, to drive him home.
他推测是食物中毒，所以他让他的朋友肖恩开车送他回家。
So we get in his car.
所以我们上了他的车。
He's driving me to my apartment across town.
他开车送我到城对面我的公寓。
And he could tell that I'm getting worse.
他可以看出我的情况越来越糟。
Like, I'm starting to sweat a little bit.
就像，我开始有点出汗了。
I'm kind of slouched over in the seat.
我有点无精打采地坐在座位上。
And he's like, man, you don't look so good.
他说，伙计，你看起来不太好。
Do you want me to come up to your apartment and make sure you're OK?
你想让我去你的公寓看看你没事吗？
And I was thinking about my apartment, which is a place where you can see the stove and the toilet from the bed.
我想到了我的公寓，那是一个从床上就能看到炉子和厕所的地方。
And I was like, that's not a big enough apartment for what's about to happen.
我当时想，这间公寓对于即将发生的事情来说不够大。
[LAUGHTER] So I was like, no, thank you for the nicest and grossest offer you've ever given me.
[笑声] 所以我想，不，谢谢你给我的最好、最优惠的报价。
I will do this alone.
我将独自完成这件事。
So I get upstairs to my apartment.
于是我上楼回到我的公寓。
I immediately take all my clothes off, which I do every time I come home.
我立即脱掉所有衣服，每次回家都会这样做。
But like, I really did it this time.
但这次我真的做到了。
So I'm naked in my apartment, and the problem is that I am still in a great deal of pain but I don't feel an urge to use the bathroom.
所以我在公寓里赤身裸体，问题是我仍然感到很大的痛苦，但我没有想去洗手间的冲动。
So I just decide, OK, it's going to take a little longer.
所以我决定，好吧，这需要更长的时间。
So I go into my room, and eventually, I can't get comfortable anymore in any position.
所以我走进自己的房间，最终，我在任何姿势上都不再舒服了。
I can't lay down.
我不能躺下。
I can't stretch my body out.
我的身体无法伸展。
I haven't stretched my body out straight in about 45 minutes to an hour.
我大约有 45 分钟到一个小时没有伸展身体。
So somehow my body and the pain in my body negotiate a truce where, if I am in a prayer position on the floor next to my bed and with my arms on my bed, we can deal.
因此，不知何故，我的身体和身体的疼痛达成了休战协议，如果我在床边的地板上摆出祈祷姿势，双臂放在床上，我们就可以达成协议。
I'm like, this is weird that I'm being forced into a prayer position, but I'm not going to overthink it.
我想，我被迫采取祈祷姿势，这很奇怪，但我不会想太多。
So I'm in this prayer position for about another 45 minutes, and my entire stomach is killing me.
于是我又以这种祈祷姿势持续了大约 45 分钟，我的整个胃都快要痛死了。
And I'm freaking out.
我吓坏了。
And basically, I don't want to call 911 or go to the emergency room.
基本上，我不想拨打 911 或去急诊室。
I grew up in a family without health insurance my whole life, and our policy was generally, give it a couple weeks.
我在一个一生都没有医疗保险的家庭中长大，我们的政策通常是，给我几周的时间。
So I didn't have health insurance.
所以我没有医疗保险。
But the pain wasn't going anywhere, and I was like, I can't be in a prayer position naked for two weeks.
但疼痛并没有消失，我想，我不能在两周内赤身裸体地祈祷。
So I finally decide, after about-- it's probably 12:45 in the morning now.
所以我最终决定，现在大概是凌晨 12 点 45 分了。
I decide, I can't take this anymore, something's wrong, I have to go to the hospital.
我决定，我不能再忍受了，出了什么问题，我必须去医院。
And so, I get dressed.
所以，我穿好衣服。
And I immediately hail a cab, so that was lucky.
我立即叫了一辆出租车，所以很幸运。
And the driver is like, where you going?
司机问，你要去哪里？
And I was like-- I can barely speak-- I was like, the emergency room, please.
我当时想——我几乎不能说话——我想，请去急诊室。
And he was like, which one?
他说，哪一个？
And I was like, do you want me to yelp it?
我当时想，你想让我大喊大叫吗？
Make sure you take me to one with outdoor seating.
请务必带我去一个有户外座位的地方。
I just want to go to the closest one.
我只想到最近的那儿去。
How about the closest one, because it's an emergency room.
最近的一间怎么样，因为那是急诊室。
So he takes me to the closest emergency room, which is Beth Israel Hospital.
于是他带我去了最近的急诊室，即贝斯以色列医院。
And of course, the waiting area is packed.
当然，等候区也挤满了人。
And I even see a guy with, like, he's literally holding his T-shirt to his head and there's blood everywhere coming out of his head.
我什至看到一个人，他真的把他的T恤举到头上，血从他的头上流得到处都是。
And my thought was, great!
我的想法是，太棒了！
Seriously, dude?
认真的吗，伙计？
So I go over to the guy that's, like, in charge of who gets to live.
所以我去找那个负责谁能活下来的人。
And I'm like, sir-- this is the only words I get out of my mouth-- I go, stomach.
我就像，先生——这是我从嘴里说出的唯一一句话——我走了，胃。
And this guy is a mid-50s man that obviously has been working in this position for a long time.
而这家伙是个50多岁的男人，显然已经在这个岗位上工作了很长时间了。
He's seen everything.
他已经看到了一切。
And he looks at me, and he goes, go right ahead.
他看着我，然后就继续往前走。
And that's when I was like, crap.
那时我就想，糟糕。
Because if anyone can see the aura of death on a person, it's that guy.
因为如果有人能在一个人身上看到死亡的气息，那就是那个人了。
So I go in and I get on a bed, and a guy comes over to me, a doctor comes over to me.
所以我进去，躺在床上，一个人向我走过来，一个医生向我走过来。
And I go, my stomach, it's like I'm in so much pain I can't even describe it.
我走了，我的胃，就像我非常痛苦，我什至无法形容。
And he was like, OK, all right, how about on a scale of one to 10, how would you rate your pain?
他说，好吧，好吧，如果按照从 1 到 10 的标准，你会如何评价你的疼痛？
And I was like, seven, because I'm saving 10 just in case.
我当时想，七，因为我存了 10 以防万一。
And he says, oh, seven, that's very high.
他说，哦，七，那非常高了。
So he goes, OK, you gotta lay back.
所以他说，好吧，你得躺下来。
And so, I lay back and that hurts a lot.
于是我就躺了下来，这让我很痛。
And he goes, OK, I'm going to press on your stomach.
他说，好吧，我要按一下你的肚子。
So he takes his hand and he pushes on my stomach.
于是他握住他的手，推着我的肚子。
And the weird thing is, when he pushed on my stomach, my first thought was, 10.
奇怪的是，当他推我的肚子时，我的第一个念头是，10。
And so he goes, I'm going to get working on getting you some morphine.
于是他就说，我要去给你弄点吗啡。
And even though I'm in a lot of pain, I realize that, basically, I'm about to receive morphine, based on my word?
尽管我很痛苦，但我意识到，基本上，我即将接受吗啡，根据我的话？
My face must really be convincing right now.
我现在的表情一定很有说服力。
It's almost, that was as easy as, like, when a guy's in the park, like, got that morphine.
这几乎就像一个人在公园里服用吗啡一样简单。
So I'm nervous at this point, because for the previous 10 years I had been a raging alcoholic, drug addict.
所以我现在很紧张，因为在过去的十年里我一直是一个酗酒、吸毒的人。
And I quit.
我退出了。
I'd been sober for about a year and a half at this point.
那时我已经清醒了大约一年半。
And he was going to give me morphine, which I'd never done when I was drinking and doing drugs, but it just didn't come up.
他本来打算给我吗啡，这是我喝酒吸毒时从来没有做过的，但就是没有出现。
But now it was and I was nervous.
但现在是这样，我很紧张。
So he gives me the morphine.
所以他给了我吗啡。
And luckily, when you're in that much pain, morphine doesn't make you high.
幸运的是，当你感到如此痛苦时，吗啡不会让你感到兴奋。
It just makes the pain like you can deal with it.
它只会让你觉得你可以应对疼痛。
So that was a relief, because I didn't want to think it was awesome.
所以这让我松了一口气，因为我不想认为这很棒。
Because now I knew how to get it.
因为现在我知道如何得到它。
So I'm on morphine and I'm feeling better.
所以我服用吗啡，感觉好多了。
And he's like, all right, we're going to give you an MRI.
他说，好吧，我们要给你做核磁共振检查。
Puts me in an MRI.
让我接受核磁共振检查。
They wheel me back out.
他们把我推了出去。
And he comes over to me a few minutes later, and he says, the good news is you don't have kidney stones, so you won't be passing stones through your penis.
几分钟后他走过来对我说，好消息是你没有肾结石，所以你不会通过阴茎排出结石。
That's literally what he said to me.
这就是他对我说的字面意思。
He goes, unfortunately, the MRI has shown that your appendix has burst.
他说，不幸的是，核磁共振检查显示你的阑尾已经破裂。
We need to get you on powerful antibiotics very quickly.
我们需要尽快为您提供强效抗生素。
When your appendix bursts, there's all kinds of inflammatory poison going through your abdomen, and it is messing up everything, every organ in your body is getting inflamed by this poison and they need to make it settle down right away.
当你的阑尾爆裂的时候，你的腹部就会有各种炎性毒物，它把一切都搞乱了，你身体的每一个器官都因为这种毒物而发炎，他们需要让它立即安定下来。
They can't go in and do surgery because everything's too riled up, it's too dangerous.
他们不能进去做手术，因为一切都太激动了，太危险了。
So I'm going to be on antibiotics, on an IV drip, without food, for four days.
所以我将服用抗生素、静脉滴注、禁食四天。
Most people who go to the hospital for an appendix go for an inflamed appendix that has not burst, and they can take it out before it bursts.
大多数去医院做阑尾炎的人都是针对尚未破裂的发炎阑尾，他们可以在阑尾破裂之前将其取出。
My appendix burst, obviously, inside my body, which is definitely the worst place.
显然，我的阑尾在我体内破裂了，这绝对是最糟糕的地方。
And then I started thinking, and I realized that the appendix is the only organ in our body that doesn't have a job to do, but it's the first one to be like, screw this [MAKES BURSTING SOUND].
然后我开始思考，我意识到阑尾是我们身体中唯一没有工作可做的器官，但它是第一个像，拧这个[发出爆裂声]的器官。
[LAUGHTER] Which seems very entitled, because I have organs in my body that have obviously had every right to walk off the job years ago due to unfair working conditions.
[笑声]这似乎很有权，因为我体内的器官显然有权利在几年前因不公平的工作条件而辞职。
My liver had been pumping poison out of my body at an astounding rate for years without complaining once, like a migrant worker just happy to have a job in America.
多年来，我的肝脏一直以惊人的速度将毒素从体内排出，却没有抱怨过一次，就像一个很高兴在美国找到工作的移民工人一样。
Meanwhile, my appendix is like some spoiled NYU kid that never had to work a goddamned day in its life.
与此同时，我的阑尾就像一个被宠坏的纽约大学孩子，一生中从来没有工作过一天。
And I can picture my liver being like, hey, appendix, can you help us out for a second?
我可以想象我的肝脏就像，嘿，阑尾，你能帮我们一下吗？
My appendix being like, uh, my dad owns, like [MAKES BURSTING SOUND].
我的阑尾就像，呃，我爸爸拥有的，就像[发出爆裂的声音]。
[LAUGHTER] So they finally, on the fourth night, I go into surgery at, like, 2:00 AM.
[笑声] 最后，在第四天晚上，我在凌晨 2:00 接受了手术。
I come out of it, and I'm like, Doctor, I really want to go home.
当我走出困境时，我想，医生，我真的很想回家。
And he's like, oh, yeah, you can't leave until you have a bowel movement.
他说，哦，是的，你不能离开，除非你排便。
And I was like, this is the weirdest standoff I've ever had.
我当时想，这是我经历过的最奇怪的对峙。
[LAUGHTER] Eventually, I do.
[笑声]最终，我做到了。
I get home.
我回家了。
And what you should be wondering-- if I were you, I would be wondering this-- how much?
你应该想知道的是——如果我是你，我会想知道——多少钱？
Right?
正确的？
No health insurance, seven days in the hospital, emergency appendectomy.
没有健康保险，住院7天，紧急阑尾切除术。
Well, I'll tell you.
好吧，我告诉你。
It was $45,000.
价格是 45,000 美元。
And I found out when I got a bill in the mail for $45,000.
当我收到一张 45,000 美元的账单时我才知道。
By the way, in the mail with the other mail, like it was just more mail, but it was a bill for $45,000, in a white envelope like all the other envelopes.
顺便说一句，在与其他邮件一起的邮件中，就像是更多的邮件一样，但这是一张 45,000 美元的账单，和所有其他信封一样装在一个白色信封里。
That should not come in a white envelope.
那不应该装在白色信封里。
That should come in a black envelope with a skull and crossbones on it, and when you open it, a picture of your hopes and dreams falls out and bursts into flames because now you owe the hospital $45,000.
它应该装在一个黑色信封里，上面有骷髅和交叉骨，当你打开它时，一张你的希望和梦想的照片掉出来并燃烧起来，因为现在你欠医院 45,000 美元。
My friends had a lot of great financial advice.
我的朋友们给了我很多很好的财务建议。
They were like, [BLEEP] 'em.
他们就像，[哔]他们。
Like, across the board.
就像，全面。
They were like, don't pay it.
他们说，不要付钱。
What are they going to do, put your appendix back in?
他们会做什么，把你的阑尾放回去？
And it was tempting, but I had to do it.
这很诱人，但我必须这么做。
I'm doing the right thing, because I was literally going to die and they saved my life.
我正在做正确的事，因为我真的快要死了，他们救了我的命。
And it didn't feel right not paying them back.
不偿还他们的钱感觉不太对劲。
So I am doing the right thing.
所以我正在做正确的事。
And today, I am still paying them back, $20 a month.
今天，我仍然在偿还他们，每月 20 美元。
And if Beth Israel Hospital ever wants to see $45,000, they just have to make sure I live to be 657 years old, so ball's in your court, Beth Israel Hospital.
如果贝斯以色列医院想要 45,000 美元，他们只需要确保我活到 657 岁，所以球在你的球场上，贝斯以色列医院。
Julian McCullough.
朱利安·麦卡洛。
HE performs pretty much every night of the week somewhere.
他几乎每周每个晚上都会在某个地方表演。
To find out when he's showing up near you, julianmccullough.com.
要了解他何时出现在您附近，请访问 julianmccullough.com。
He was recorded at TOLD, which is a monthly storytelling show in New York City, hosted by our program's production manager, Seth Lind.
他是在 TOLD 上录制的，这是纽约市每月一次的讲故事节目，由我们节目的制作经理 Seth Lind 主持。
They are at toldshow.com.
他们在tellshow.com。
[MUSIC - "I GET ALONG WITHOUT YOU VERY WELL" BY CHET BAKER]
[音乐 - 切特·贝克的《没有你我也过得很好》]
Act Three, Don't Make Me Separate You.
第三幕，别让我把你分开。
Well we end our show today with this story about a family whose house was divided.
好吧，我们以这个关于一个房屋被分割的家庭的故事来结束今天的节目。
Jeanne Darst was 16 when her parents split up, her three sisters just a little bit older.
珍妮·达斯特 (Jeanne Darst) 16 岁时，她的父母离婚了，她的三个姐妹只比她大一点点。
But her parents, Steve and Doris, did not do divorce like other people did.
但她的父母史蒂夫和多丽丝并没有像其他人那样离婚。
At first they acted like normal divorced people.
起初，他们表现得像正常的离婚者。
They were angry, and they spoke badly of one another and dated other people and not each other.
他们很生气，互相说对方的坏话，和其他人约会，而不是互相约会。
My mother could actually smell our father on us when we came in the door on Sunday night after a weekend at his place.
当我们在父亲家度过周末后，周日晚上走进家门时，我母亲实际上可以闻到我们父亲身上的味道。
"Have you been at your father's?
“你去过你父亲家吗？
You reek of franks and beans."
你身上有弗兰克斯和豆子的臭味。”
That first Thanksgiving they were divorced she forbid him to enter her apartment, so Dad took us to a sushi place on Third Avenue.
他们离婚的第一个感恩节，她禁止他进入她的公寓，所以爸爸带我们去了第三大道的一家寿司店。
Not a Calvin-Trillin-Chinatown-dumpling-house-on-Thanksgiving kind of place, but rather a last minute Dad-didn't-make-a-reservation-anywhere kind of place.
这不是卡尔文·特里林唐人街的感恩节饺子馆，而是最后一刻爸爸没有在任何地方预订的地方。
It was empty, aka totally depressing and potentially gastro-disatrous.
它是空的，又名完全令人沮丧并且可能是胃灾难性的。
That Thanksgiving was the last time he ever took us out to dinner.
感恩节是他最后一次带我们出去吃饭。
He was quickly running out of money.
他的钱很快就花光了。
It was the official start of destitute divorced dad.
这是一贫如洗的离婚爸爸的正式开始。
He was early to pick up my sisters and me for Christmas.
他很早就来接我和我的姐妹过圣诞节。
Ever since I can remember, my father never had anywhere else he had to be.
自从我记事起，父亲就再也没有去过其他地方。
He was sitting on one of the couches in the lobby of Mom's apartment building with a bag of presents on either side of his knees.
他坐在妈妈公寓楼大厅的一张沙发上，膝盖两侧各放着一袋礼物。
He wore a hat.
他戴着帽子。
He still bought and wore hats, mostly from this prehistoric preppy store on Madison and 46th, FR Tripler.
他仍然购买和佩戴帽子，大部分来自麦迪逊街 46 街 FR Tripler 的这家史前学院商店。
Tripler's was his only charge card so you could count on some things coming from there at Christmas.
Tripler 的信用卡是他唯一的签账卡，所以你可以放心在圣诞节期间从那里收到一些东西。
The men's section may have been possible, but the women's clothes were the most outdated, buttoned up, queer [BLEEP] imaginable.
男装区也许是可能的，但女装是最过时的、扣子扣紧的、最奇怪的[BLEEP]。
What old money wear in menopause.
老钱在更年期穿什么。
He got up and gave his usual huge greeting.
他站起来，像往常一样热情地打招呼。
"Jeanne Jo, Carolina, Julita, Elizabetha, Merry Christmas!
“珍妮·乔、卡罗莱纳、朱莉塔、伊丽莎白，圣诞快乐！
Sit!
坐下！
Sit!
坐下！
Have if I got some great things for you all!"
如果我有一些很棒的东西给你们大家就好了！”
My dad, hat and grey overcoat still on, began taking presents out of the bags, all unwrapped.
我的父亲仍然戴着帽子和灰色大衣，开始从袋子里取出礼物，所有礼物都没有包装。
My father had never wrapped present.
我父亲从来没有包过礼物。
Ever.
曾经。
It totally threw off your timing as the person getting the gift, because you could plainly see what you were being given as he reached across people to hand it to you.
这完全打乱了你作为收到礼物的人的时机，因为当他跨过人群将礼物递给你时，你可以清楚地看到你收到的礼物。
And out of politeness, you had to maintain a facade of suspense as you passed the gift your way.
出于礼貌，你在递礼物时必须保持一种悬念。
There were biographies he got half price at the Strand, a button down shirt with a silk tie at the collar from Tripler's that Pat Buckley might wear to jury duty.
他在斯特兰德书店买到了半价的传记，还有一件来自 Tripler's 的带纽扣的衬衫，领口有丝绸领带，帕特·巴克利可能会穿着它去参加陪审团。
And then the worst kind of present my dad gave, an expensive item like a fancy camera, that you knew meant he wasn't going to eat for a week.
然后是我爸爸送的最糟糕的礼物，一件昂贵的物品，比如一台精美的相机，你知道这意味着他一周都不会吃饭。
We sat in the lobby opening presents, thankful that because Mom was new to the building, we didn't know any of the people coming and going to their holiday festivities, passing us and giving a raised eyebrow to the doorman Mario.
我们坐在大厅里打开礼物，庆幸的是，因为妈妈是新来的，所以我们不认识任何来来去去参加节日庆祝活动的人，经过我们身边时，门卫马里奥扬起了眉毛。
Liz and Caroline, the two people in our family who had incomes, entry-level though they were, made a couple overtures to actually going somewhere for brunch.
莉兹和卡罗琳，我们家里的两个人，虽然收入只是入门级的，但还是主动提出要真的去某个地方吃早午餐。
But Dad cheerfully dismissed these wacky notions.
但爸爸高兴地驳斥了这些古怪的想法。
"Oh, I think we're good right here," he said.
“哦，我认为我们在这里很好，”他说。
My gift was heartbreakingly expensive, a brand new Oxford English Dictionary.
我的礼物贵得令人心碎，一本全新的《牛津英语词典》。
"What do you think about that OED, Jeanne Jo?"
“你觉得《牛津英语词典》怎么样，珍妮·乔？”
"It's wonderful." "Your life as you know it, gone, I'm telling ya.
“太棒了。” “我告诉你，你所知道的你的生活已经消失了。
You'll thank me later."
以后你会感谢我的。”
"Thanks, Dad." "You're very welcome."
“谢谢爸爸。” “不客气。”
My father then reached into one of his bags and pulled out a large hunk of Parmesan cheese.
然后我父亲把手伸进他的一个袋子里，拿出一大块帕尔马干酪。
"I thought my bio of Rebecca West smelled a little funny," Liz giggled.
“我觉得我的丽贝卡·韦斯特传记闻起来有点奇怪，”莉兹咯咯地笑道。
"Murray's cheese shop on Bleecker," Dad said.
“穆雷在布利克的奶酪店，”爸爸说。
He pulled a knife out of his herringbone overcoat and chiseled off a flaky hunk.
他从人字纹大衣里抽出一把刀，凿掉了一块片状的大块。
"Caroline, can I interest you in some of the finest of Parma?"
“卡罗琳，我能让你对帕尔马最好的一些景点感兴趣吗？”
Caroline, on the verge of tears, uttered, "No thank you."
卡罗琳快要哭了，她说：“不用了，谢谢。”
"All right then.
“那好吧。
Terrible decision but you're free to make it.
这是一个糟糕的决定，但你可以自由地做出这个决定。
Elizabetha?"
伊丽莎白娅？”
"Sure," she said, "yummy."
“当然，”她说，“好吃。”
He handed Liz the crumbly cheese.
他把易碎的奶酪递给莉兹。
"Help yourself to some of that good bread.
“随便吃点美味的面包吧。
Now who else would like a bit?
现在还有谁想要一点吗？
Julia, what's the name of that doorman again?"
朱莉娅，那个门卫叫什么名字？”
"Mario, but he doesn't want any cheese, Dad," Julie said.
“马里奥，但他不想要任何奶酪，爸爸，”朱莉说。
"Nonsense.
“废话。
It's Christmas and he's working.
今天是圣诞节，他正在工作。
Where's your spirit?"
你的灵魂在哪里？”
"Please don't offer him any cheese, Dad," Caroline pleaded.
“爸爸，请不要给他任何奶酪，”卡罗琳恳求道。
"What is wrong with you girls?" My dad stood up and yelled across the lobby, "Mario!
“你们女孩子怎么了？”我爸爸站起来，对着大厅大喊：“马里奥！
Mario!" my father bellowed.
马里奥！”我父亲吼道。
Mario put his Daily News down.
马里奥放下每日新闻。
"Can I interest you in some of the finest Parmesan this side of the Mediterranean?"
“我对地中海这边最好的帕尔马干酪感兴趣吗？”
"You're not being polite are you, Mario?"
“你没有礼貌吧，马里奥？”
"Dad, he doesn't want any cheese," I said.
“爸爸，他不需要奶酪，”我说。
"O.K., I will have some," Mario said.
“好吧，我要一些，”马里奥说。
"Thank you."
“谢谢。”
"Terrific.
“太棒了。
OK, let's see here," and my dad began jabbing at the Parmesan with his knife.
好吧，让我们看看这里，”我爸爸开始用刀戳帕尔马干酪。
"Whare are you from Mario?"
“你是马里奥的什么人？”
"Italy." "What part?" My dad placed a chunk of cheese in Mario's palm.
“意大利。” “什么部分？”我爸爸把一块奶酪放在马里奥的手掌上。
"Umbria." "Umbria.
“翁布里亚。” “翁布里亚。
My god, that's gorgeous land.
天哪，那是一片美丽的土地。
Your family farmers or winemakers or what?" My dad nibbled on a piece of cheese as if he were at a cocktail party in Southampton.
你的家庭农民或酿酒师还是什么？”我爸爸啃着一块奶酪，就像在南安普敦的鸡尾酒会上一样。
Just then, the doors of one of the two elevators opened and Mom and Phil Sully got off.
就在这时，两部电梯其中一部的门打开了，妈妈和菲尔·萨利下了车。
Phil was her divorce lawyer.
菲尔是她的离婚律师。
She was also sleeping with him.
她也和他一起睡觉。
They walked into the lobby.
他们走进大厅。
Mom's eyes went to the cheese on the lobby table, the presents everywhere, the crumbling baguette on the table, Dad, Mario, and us girls.
妈妈的目光落在大厅桌子上的奶酪、到处都是的礼物、桌子上破碎的法棍面包、爸爸、马里奥和我们女孩身上。
While it didn't reflect favorably upon Dad, it wasn't what you'd call a moment of glory for Mom or Phil Sully either.
虽然这对爸爸来说并不好，但对于妈妈或菲尔·萨利来说，这也不是你所谓的荣耀时刻。
Mom simply walked through it like a rain shower.
妈妈就像一场阵雨一样简单地走过了它。
"Steve," she said.
“史蒂夫，”她说。
"Girls." Mario trotted to the door and held it open for them as they walked out of the lobby into the sharp December chill and 87th Street.
“女孩们。”马里奥小跑到门口，为他们打开门，他们走出大厅，走进 12 月的严寒和 87 街。
A few months later Mom decided to ditch the Upper East Side for Florida which seemed like a gutsy divorced lady starting over kind of move.
几个月后，妈妈决定放弃上东区前往佛罗里达，这看起来就像是一位勇敢的离婚女士重新开始搬家。
My parents were physically further apart than they'd ever been.
我父母的身体距离比以往任何时候都远。
But then there was some backpedaling.
但随后出现了一些倒退。
Mom was asked to leave the complex she lived in the Sunshine State after only a few months at which point she opted to crash in the West Village at my father's studio while she looked for her own place.
仅仅几个月后，妈妈就被要求离开她在阳光之州的住所，此时她选择在西村我父亲的工作室里寻找自己的住处。
My parents now ate together, went to movies, and checked each other in and out of the hospital.
我的父母现在一起吃饭、看电影、互相检查进出医院的情况。
Some people might call this dating.
有些人可能称之为约会。
She delivered the news over the phone.
她通过电话传达了这个消息。
"Hi, Dolly, it's Mom.
“嗨，多莉，我是妈妈。
I'm at your father's," she said.
我在你父亲那里，”她说。
"I've left Florida." She paused letting her line land, as they say in the theater.
“我已经离开佛罗里达了。”正如剧院里所说的那样，她停下来让线路落地。
The problem with my mother was that everything she said had a big landing.
我母亲的问题在于她所说的一切都有很大的着陆点。
"I'm no longer on speaking terms with my hairdresser" went high into the air and came down at your feet with as much of a thud as "they found a growth the size of a brioche under my left armpit." The last time I spoke with her mother said she was doing OK, that she missed minorities terribly.
“我不再和我的理发师说话了”，这句话高高地飞到空中，然后落在你的脚下，发出一声重重的撞击，就像“他们在我的左腋下发现了一个奶油蛋卷大小的生长物”。上次我和她母亲交谈时说她过得很好，她非常想念少数族裔。
"You left Florida because you missed black people?" I asked.
“你离开佛罗里达是因为想念黑人吗？”我问。
"Not just black people, Jeanne.
“不仅仅是黑人，珍妮。
Gays and Latinos and the Chinese and the Koreans."
同性恋者、拉丁美洲人、中国人和韩国人。”
"Actually, I've never thought lesbians add that much to the city frankly.
“老实说，我从来没想过女同性恋会给这座城市带来这么多贡献。
Anyway, I'm at your father's.
无论如何，我在你父亲那里。
He's being absolutely impossible."
他绝对是不可能的。”
"Really?" I asked.
“真的吗？”我问。
What did she expect?
她期待什么？
They were married for 23 years, but this week, this is the one that did it?
他们结婚23年了，但这周，就是这个人结婚了？
"I slept on a bed with no sheets last night," she said.
“昨晚我睡在没有床单的床上，”她说。
"And did you know your father sometimes sleeps upright in his computer chair?"
“你知道你父亲有时会直立地睡在电脑椅上吗？”
"Why?" "Apparently his asthma is so bad that he has to sleep upright to be able to breathe."
“为什么？” “显然他的哮喘病很严重，他必须直着睡觉才能呼吸。”
"Why doesn't he prop some pillows up in bed?"
“他为什么不在床上垫一些枕头呢？”
"He's afraid he'll stop breathing if he does that." I hear my mother light a cigarette and exhale.
“他担心如果这样做他会停止呼吸。”我听到妈妈点了一支烟，吐了一口气。
"Are you smoking in his house?"
“你在他家里抽烟吗？”
"Oh, he's not hear right now."
“噢，他现在没听见。”
After two days of Mom staying with Dad, my sister Caroline calls me from Saint Vincent's Hospital.
妈妈和爸爸住了两天后，我姐姐卡罗琳从圣文森特医院给我打电话。
"Hi.
“嗨。
So Dad had a major asthma attack." I visit the hospital and see him.
所以爸爸哮喘发作得很厉害。”我去医院看他。
He'd nearly died.
他差一点就死了。
And to keep him alive, the doctors gave him massive doses of several drugs, steroids being the big one.
为了维持他的生命，医生给了他大剂量的几种药物，其中类固醇是最重要的一种。
Which, the nurse tells me, is why he threw a heavy hospital chair out his window the night before, landing on 7th Avenue.
护士告诉我，这就是为什么他前一天晚上把一张沉重的医院椅子扔出窗外，落在第七大道上。
I asked Dad whether Mom smoking in his house might have brought on the asthma attack.
我问爸爸妈妈在他家里抽烟是否会导致哮喘发作。
He says he hadn't thought about that but admitted it was a possibility.
他说他没有考虑过这一点，但承认这是有可能的。
He recovers after a few days and I see him for Caroline's birthday.
几天后他康复了，我在卡罗琳的生日那天见到了他。
We go to Dad's little studio.
我们去爸爸的小工作室。
With its tiny sink and half ridge under the counter it feels like Gregor Samsa's Winnebago.
水槽很小，柜台下有半脊，感觉就像格雷戈尔·萨姆萨的温尼贝戈。
The main room was approximately 12 feet by 12 feet.
主房间大约 12 英尺 x 12 英尺。
Six of us gathered as best we could in the space that had one chair and a reclined futon, and Dad brought Caroline's birthday cake out of the mini fridge.
我们六个人尽可能地聚集在有一把椅子和一张斜躺蒲团的空间里，爸爸从迷你冰箱里拿出卡罗琳的生日蛋糕。
"Now this place is terrific.
“现在这个地方太棒了。
The best," he said, putting the cake on the desk.
最好的，”他说着，把蛋糕放在桌子上。
It was from Claude's.
这是克劳德的。
Claude's was the best.
克劳德的是最好的。
And expensive, which is why we were a little shocked.
而且价格昂贵，这就是为什么我们有点震惊。
"Steve, how about a cake knife?" Mom said, trying to help things along.
“史蒂夫，一把蛋糕刀怎么样？”妈妈一边说，一边尽力帮助事情进展。
"A what?" "A cake knife and some plates?"
“什么？” “一把蛋糕刀和一些盘子？”
"Absolutely.
“当然。
Absolutely," Dad headed back into the kitchen where he rummaged around.
当然，”爸爸回到厨房，在那里翻找着。
He returned with a knife and three plates for six people.
他带着一把刀和三个可供六个人吃的盘子回来。
No forks.
没有叉子。
He handed the knife to Caroline.
他把刀递给卡罗琳。
Everyone watched Caroline opened the white box.
所有人都看着卡罗琳打开了白色的盒子。
"Dad!" Caroline screamed.
“爸爸！”卡罗琳尖叫起来。
"There's a piece missing!"
“少了一块！”
"Oh for God's sake, Steve," Mom gasped.
“噢，看在上帝的份上，史蒂夫，”妈妈喘着气说。
"It was half price with a piece missing.
“这是半价，少了一件。
We don't need that piece.
我们不需要那块。
To hell with that piece!"
让那件作品见鬼去吧！”
Mom got up.
妈妈站了起来。
"I'm going outside for a cigarette."
“我要出去抽根烟。”
Caroline remain speechless looking at the birthday cake with a piece missing.
卡罗琳看着缺了一块的生日蛋糕，无言以对。
my sister Julia and I headed downstairs to smoke with Mom.
我和姐姐朱莉娅下楼和妈妈一起抽烟。
"Honestly." Mom took a puff and watched a large gay man move past us with his Lhasa Apso.
“诚实地。”妈妈吸了一口烟，看着一个身材高大的同性恋男子从我们身边走过，手里拿着拉萨犬。
"A birthday cake with a piece missing.
“一个生日蛋糕缺了一块。
I could kill him."
我可以杀了他。”
"Or you could stay somewhere else," I offered up.
“或者你可以住在别的地方，”我提议道。
"Yeah, Mom, you don't have to put up with his crap," Julia said.
“是的，妈妈，你不必忍受他的废话，”朱莉娅说。
"Right.
“对了。
And well you don't have put up with his crap because you are in fact no longer married," I said, trying once more to convey the basic concept of divorce to these two.
好吧，你不能忍受他的废话，因为你实际上已经不再结婚了，”我说，再次试图向这两个人传达离婚的基本概念。
Who seemed not to understand that a significant part of divorce entailed not seeing each other.
谁似乎不明白离婚的一个重要部分就是不能见面。
And then my mother revealed that she had signed a lease on an apartment across 8th Avenue on Greenwich Street a few weeks earlier.
然后我母亲透露，几周前她已经在格林威治街第八大道对面的一套公寓上签了租约。
She could have moved into her own apartment weeks before Caroline's birthday.
她本可以在卡罗琳生日前几周搬进自己的公寓。
Weeks before she put Dad in the emergency room at Saint Vincent's.
几周前，她把爸爸送进了圣文森特医院的急诊室。
"I can't possibly stay here one more minute." She lit a new cigarette and exhaled defensively.
“我不可能再在这里多呆一分钟了。”她点燃了一根新烟，防御性地呼了一口气。
"I'm not married the man you know."
“我没有和你认识的那个男人结婚。”
"That's what I've been trying to say."
“这就是我一直想说的。”
They continued on this way for years.
他们就这样继续了很多年。
They had sold the house, moved into the city, gotten separate places, tried dating other people.
他们卖掉了房子，搬进了城市，分居了不同的地方，尝试与其他人约会。
And apparently, it just wasn't for them.
显然，这不适合他们。
From my mother's perspective, they were in no way getting remarried or even back together.
从我母亲的角度来看，他们绝不会再婚，甚至不会复合。
She was almost a little secretive about the whole way they lived.
她对他们的整个生活方式几乎有点保密。
When she mentioned something my father had said, I'd say, "Oh, when did he say that?"
当她提到我父亲说过的话时，我会说：“哦，他什么时候这么说的？”
"Oh, the other night.
“哦，那天晚上。
He brought me some cigarettes.
他给我带来了一些香烟。
It was awfully cold from me to go out." Long pause.
我出去实在是太冷了。”长时间的停顿。
Then ultra casually, "And he ended up staying and watching some TV over here."
然后非常随意地说道，“他最终留下来在这里看电视。”
"Oh really?" I always wanted to say, "Mom has a new boyfriend.
“哦真的吗？”我一直想说：“妈妈有了新男朋友。
Mom has a new boyfriend." Neither of them was ever able to move on in any part of their lives.
妈妈有新男朋友了。”他们俩都无法在生活的任何部分继续前进。
They could drive each other insane and do awful things to each other.
他们可能会让对方发疯，并互相做出可怕的事情。
At one point, my mother convinced my father to move back in with her and then when he went out one night for an ink cartridge for his computer, she locked him out and wouldn't him back in.
有一次，我母亲说服我父亲搬回来和她住在一起，然后有一天晚上，当他出去为电脑取墨盒时，她把他锁在门外，不让他回来。
They often broke up within their divorce-- a divorce within a divorce-- but they can never truly leave each other.
他们经常在离婚中分手——离婚中的离婚——但他们永远无法真正离开对方。
My father was and still is profoundly protective of my mother.
我的父亲过去和现在都深深地保护着我的母亲。
This is why he wouldn't blame his asthma attack on her smoking.
这就是为什么他不会将自己的哮喘发作归咎于她吸烟。
She too somehow needed him.
不知怎的，她也需要他。
And though she divorced him, she still allowed him to come by, to love her.
尽管她和他离婚了，但她仍然允许他过来，爱她。
And until she died, she never really left him.
而直到她去世之前，她都没有真正离开过他。
"Your mother and I have a failed divorce," my father said to me once over greasy eggs at a luncheonette.
“你母亲和我的离婚失败了，”有一次，我父亲在午餐会上一边吃着油腻的鸡蛋，一边对我说道。
"We gave it our best shot.
“我们尽了最大努力。
We really did.
我们真的做到了。
It just didn't work out."
只是没有成功。”
Jeanne Darst, reading an excerpt adapted from her book, Fiction Ruined My Family, which comes out this coming October.
珍妮·达斯特 (Jeanne Darst) 正在阅读她的书《小说毁了我的家庭》(Fiction Ruined My Family) 的摘录，该书将于今年 10 月出版。
[MUSIC - "DYSFUNCTIONAL" BY HONEYCUT]
[音乐 - HONEYCUT 的“功能失调”]
Our program was produced today by Robyn Semien and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Jane Feltes, Sarah Koenig, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Alissa Shipp and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Robyn Semien 和我本人以及 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Jane Feltes、Sarah Koenig、Jonathan Menjivar、Lisa Pollak、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 共同制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help from Eric Mennel.
埃里克·门内尔 (Eric Mennel) 提供制作帮助。
Music help from Jessica Hopper and Damian Grathe.
杰西卡·霍珀 (Jessica Hopper) 和达米安·格拉斯 (Damian Grathe) 提供音乐帮助。
Seth Lind is our production manager.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的生产经理。
Emily Condon's our office manager.
艾米丽·康登是我们的办公室经理。
Jen Berman's filling in as our west coast producer.
珍·伯曼 (Jen Berman) 担任我们的西海岸制片人。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
[致谢] 我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our show by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia, who want you to know he loves black people.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的节目进行 WBEZ 管理监督，他想让您知道他热爱黑人。
Not just black people.
不仅仅是黑人。
Gays, and Latinos, and the Chinese, and the Koreans.
同性恋、拉丁裔、中国人和韩国人。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。