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Act One: Part One Ira Glass Lindsey Dills is 24.

第一幕：第一部分 艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 林赛·迪尔斯 (Lindsey Dills) 24 岁。

She's from a place in southern Georgia called Glynn County, right on the coast.

她来自佐治亚州南部一个叫格林县的地方，就在海岸边。

The nearest big town is a partly gentrified, mostly impoverished city called Brunswick.

最近的大城市是一个部分高档化、大部分贫困的城市，名叫布伦瑞克。

Population 16,000.

人口16,000。

Though I interviewed her in a prison way upstate.

尽管我是在州北部的一所监狱里采访她的。

OK I'm Lindsey Dills.

好的，我是林赛·迪尔斯。

This is Lee Arrendale State Prison.

这是李阿伦代尔州立监狱。

Before all this I was-- I actually was all-state for soccer five years in a row.

在这一切之前，我实际上是连续五年获得全州足球运动员称号。

I was expected to have a scholarship to college.

我有望获得大学奖学金。

A couple scouts had contacted my dad, my coach at my school.

几个球探联系了我的父亲，我学校的教练。

But in her sophomore year of high school, Lindsey started smoking pot.

但在高中二年级时，林赛开始吸大麻。

She began working at this bar and restaurant, Spanky's, as a waitress, ran with an older crowd that she met at the restaurant.

她开始在 Spanky's 酒吧和餐厅工作，担任女服务员，与她在餐厅遇到的一群年长的人群一起跑步。

By senior year she was doing coke in a pretty serious way.

到了高年级，她就开始非常认真地做可乐了。

She had a 21-year-old boyfriend, which at the time she thought was the coolest thing ever, though now she sees that one differently.

她有一个 21 岁的男朋友，当时她认为这是有史以来最酷的事情，但现在她有了不同的看法。

Finally, senior year, she quit soccer, which of course, her dad and every other adult in her life tried to talk her out of.

最终，在大四的时候，她退出了足球，当然，她的父亲和她生活中的所有其他成年人都试图劝她退出。

The coaches were calling the house, telling my dad, "Will you please talk to her?" And probably part of it was part of the drugs, and I think part of it was that I just had done it for so long and I wanted to be-- I wanted to be a teenager.

教练们打电话给家里，告诉我爸爸，“你能和她谈谈吗？”可能部分原因是药物的一部分，我认为部分原因是我已经这样做了很长时间，我想成为——我想成为一个青少年。

I wanted to go do stuff on the weekends, and I wanted to not have practice at 5 o'clock in the morning.

周末我想去干点事，不想早上五点就去练习。

And I didn't want to have to run three miles every other day.

我不想每隔一天跑三英里。

And she says, in retrospect, she knows she wasn't coping well.

她说，回想起来，她知道自己处理得不好。

Her home life had been pretty rough when she was little, before and after her parents split up.

她小时候、父母离婚前后的家庭生活都非常艰难。

And now she was self-mutilating, cutting herself with a razor, smoking a lot of pot.

现在她正在自残，用剃刀割伤自己，吸很多大麻。

And her parents tried to do the right thing and get her treatment for all that.

她的父母试图做正确的事情并为她提供治疗。

She went into a program for a week or so, more than once.

她不止一次地参加了一个为期一周左右的项目。

But here's where things took an unusual turn for Lindsey.

但林赛的事情却发生了不寻常的转变。

October 2004, she was 17, her dad was out of town.

2004年10月，她17岁，她的父亲出城了。

And she forged two checks, one for $40, one for $60, on her dad's checking account.

她在她父亲的支票账户上伪造了两张支票，一张是 40 美元，一张是 60 美元。

She cashed them at her job, spent some of the money on drugs.

她通过工作兑现了这些钱，并把一些钱花在了毒品上。

Well, he comes back from out of town and he does his balance his checkbook.

好吧，他从外地回来，平衡了支票簿。

He's a CPA, so he's on it.

他是注册会计师，所以他在这方面。

As soon as he gets home he knows that something's not adding up.

他一回到家就知道有些事情不对劲。

And I don't-- I don't in a million years blame my dad for doing what he did.

我不会——一百万年后我不会责怪我父亲所做的事情。

He was terrified.

他很害怕。

All he'd heard was horror stories about what happens to people when they were doing drugs.

他所听到的只是关于人们吸毒时发生的恐怖故事。

He didn't mess with drugs.

他没有沾染毒品。

My dad doesn't drink.

我爸爸不喝酒。

In the 24 years I've been alive, I've never seen my dad drink alcohol.

我活了24年了，从来没有见过我爸爸喝酒。

I never heard my dad curse.

我从来没有听过我爸爸骂人。

She says he started randomly taking her to be drug tested.

她说他开始随机带她去做药物测试。

And told her that if she failed a drug test, then he'd go to the police about the two forged checks.

并告诉她，如果她未通过药检，那么他会就两张伪造支票向警方报案。

Lindsey figured out ways to pass the test-- get somebody else's pee, or dilute her own.

林赛想出了通过测试的方法——获取别人的尿液，或者稀释自己的尿液。

But finally she fails a test.

但最终她考试失败了。

And her dad followed through on his threat.

她的父亲兑现了他的威胁。

Two police officers come into my job and they're like, "We're looking for Lindsey Dills." I was like, "Let me get her for you." And I'm about to just leave.

两名警察来到我的工作岗位，他们说：“我们正在寻找林赛·迪尔斯。”我当时想，“让我帮你找她吧。”我正要离开。

So I know exactly what's going on at this point when they say, "We're looking for Lindsey Dills." I was like, "Oh my god, he actually did it." I never thought he would do it.

所以当他们说“我们正在寻找林赛·迪尔斯”时，我很清楚此时发生了什么。我当时想，“天哪，他真的做到了。”我从没想过他会这么做。

So I am arrested at this point.

所以我现在被捕了。

They slam me over the hostess stand.

他们把我从女主人的看台上摔下来。

I'm at the front of restaurant.

我在餐厅前面。

People are turning around.

人们正在转身。

I'm mortified.

我很羞愧。

I'm, like, 18.

我大概18岁吧

And everybody's just like, "Oh [BLEEP]." Because they know how my dad is.

每个人都会说，“哦[BLEEP]。”因为他们知道我爸爸的性格。

My dad used to call Spanky's to see if I had left work.

我爸爸常常打电话给 Spanky's 看看我是否已经下班了。

He's be like, "Is Lindsey there?" Because I would be like, "Oh, I'm working late."

他会说，“林赛在吗？”因为我会说，“哦，我工作到很晚了。”

The sheriff's in there.

治安官就在里面。

He's one of the regulars at the bar.

他是酒吧的常客之一。

And the sheriff's standing there Like, "Oh my god."

警长站在那里，好像在说：“天啊。”

Because you know the sheriff, because you've waited on him.

因为你认识警长，因为你一直在等他。

Right, I know the sheriff.

是的，我认识警长。

And then there's a bond salesman there that, he's a regular.

还有一位债券推销员，他是常客。

Him and the sheriff are real good friends.

他和警长是真正的好朋友。

And so he finds out what my bond is, and he's going to bond me out, because he's familiar with me.

所以他知道了我的羁绊是什么，他会把我绑起来，因为他对我很熟悉。

Well, my dad calls him.

嗯，我爸爸打电话给他。

Because I'm like-- my dad's like, "I'm not going to bond you out." I was like, "Well, I don't need you to bond me out.

因为我就像——我爸爸就像，“我不会把你束缚起来。”我当时想，“好吧，我不需要你把我束缚起来。

So and so's bonding me out." It's the worst thing I could have ever said.

某某正在把我联系起来。”这是我说过的最糟糕的话。

So my dad calls this man and begs him not to bond me out.

所以我爸爸打电话给这个人，求他不要把我绑起来。

He's like, "Please don't.

他就像是，“请不要。

I'm trying to save her life."

我正在努力挽救她的生命。”

Her dad declined to be interviewed for the radio.

她的父亲拒绝接受电台采访。

But Lindsey's mom, Vikki Woodard, confirmed that he was hoping that this would be the intervention that would change everything.

但林赛的妈妈维琪·伍达德证实，林赛希望这种干预能够改变一切。

She had moved from Georgia to South Carolina a month before Lindsey forged the two checks and kept in touch by phone with what was happening.

一个月前，她从佐治亚州搬到了南卡罗来纳州，林赛伪造了两张支票，并通过电话与发生的事情保持联系。

She says her thinking was, Lindsey had just turned 18.

她说她的想法是，林赛刚刚满 18 岁。

It was their last chance.

这是他们最后的机会。

After this--

此后——

She could do whatever she wanted.

她可以做任何她想做的事。

She could drop out of school.

她可能会辍学。

She could move out.

她可以搬出去。

We would have no influence over her whatsoever.

我们对她没有任何影响。

And she was in a fast spiral down at that point.

那时她正处于快速的螺旋式下降之中。

She was not going to school.

她不去学校。

Her father would call me and say, "I can't get her out of the bed in the morning.

她父亲打电话给我说：“早上我无法让她起床。

She just won't get up." And so he rolled the dice.

她就是不肯起来。”于是他掷骰子。

He rolled the dice hoping that she would agree to a drug treatment program that he found, out of town, away from her friends and everybody who was influencing her to do drugs, and that she'd go there in exchange for dropping the charges.

他掷骰子希望她能同意他在城外找到的戒毒治疗计划，远离她的朋友和所有影响她吸毒的人，并且她会去那里以换取撤销指控。

But Lindsey didn't want to go out of town to some drug treatment program that her daddy picked.

但林赛不想出城参加她爸爸选择的药物治疗项目。

And then the prosecutor put another option on the table.

然后检察官提出了另一个选择。

Drug court.

毒品法庭。

Drug courts are all over the country.

毒品法庭遍布全国各地。

You've probably heard of them.

您可能听说过它们。

They've been around since 1989 and they are a huge national success story.

他们自 1989 年以来一直存在，是全国性的巨大成功故事。

The idea is, you take nonviolent offenders whose crimes are caused by their drug addiction.

这个想法是，你接受那些因毒瘾而犯罪的非暴力罪犯。

And instead of prison time, you give them court supervised drug treatment.

而且你不会让他们坐牢，而是在法庭监督下进行药物治疗。

This accomplishes two things.

这完成了两件事。

It saves money, because fewer people are incarcerated.

它可以省钱，因为被监禁的人更少。

And studies show it actually helps people.

研究表明它确实对人们有帮助。

It gets them off drugs, which means fewer repeat offenders.

这让他们摆脱了毒品，这意味着重犯的人数会减少。

But if you enter a drug court program, it's serious business.

但如果你进入毒品法庭计划，那就是一件严肃的事情了。

Especially the drug court that happened to be in Lindsey's small town.

尤其是恰好位于林赛小镇的毒品法庭。

Which is run by a judge that many people truly fear.

这是由许多人真正害怕的法官主持的。

The Chief Judge at the Glynn County Superior Court, Amanda Williams.

格林县高等法院首席法官阿曼达·威廉姆斯。

The basics of the Glynn County drug court program are about as tough as they get.

格林县毒品法庭计划的基本原则非常严格。

It takes two years to complete.

需要两年时间才能完成。

And at the beginning, you're going to five meetings a week with drug court counselors, plus four AA or NA meetings a week, plus curfews and drug tests every week.

一开始，你每周要与毒品法庭顾问举行五次会议，每周还要参加四次 AA 或 NA 会议，每周还有宵禁和药物测试。

If you finish the whole program, your record is wiped clean, but if you mess up and flunk out, you have a felony conviction on the original charge on your record and you serve the time for that conviction.

如果你完成了整个计划，你的记录就会被抹去，但如果你搞砸了并被挂科，你的记录中的原始指控就会被定罪，并且你会因该定罪而服刑。

So there's a real threat hanging over your head.

所以你的头上确实存在着威胁。

So Jason Clarke is my public defender at the time, and he's warning me.

杰森·克拉克当时是我的公共辩护人，他正在警告我。

He's saying, "Lindsey don't take drug court.

他说：“林赛不会上毒品法庭。

I'm telling you, you won't make it." He's told me this like three or four times.

我告诉你，你不会成功的。”这件事他已经跟我说过三四次了。

I'm adamant.

我很坚定。

I'm saying, "I'm taking drug court." Because all I know is I get to get out of jail.

我是说，“我要上毒品法庭。”因为我只知道我能出狱。

It's all I know.

这就是我所知道的一切。

I don't know anything else about it.

我对此一无所知。

So I go to plead into drug court.

所以我去毒品法庭辩护。

My dad's in the courtroom.

我爸爸在法庭上。

Judge Barton was on the bench that day instead of Judge Williams.

那天，巴顿法官代替威廉姆斯法官坐在替补席上。

She was gone.

她走了。

My dad's done Judge Barton's accounting for probably the past 15 years and they're very good friends.

我父亲在过去 15 年里一直为巴顿法官做会计，他们是非常好的朋友。

So he sees me come in and he pulls me up to the bench and he's like, "Don't do this.

所以他看到我进来，就把我拉到板凳上，然后说：“别这样做。

Don't take drug court.

不要上毒品法庭。

Are you sure you want to do this?" He asked me three or four times.

你确定要这样做吗？”他问了我三四次。

Judge Barton says this?

巴顿法官这么说？

Lindsey Dills Judge Barton does this.

林赛·迪尔斯·巴顿法官就是这样做的。

Judge Barton's trying to talk me out of taking drug court, that I would not do well.

巴顿法官试图说服我不要上毒品法庭，因为我做得不好。

I wouldn't make it.

我不会成功的。

He didn't think it was what I should do.

他认为这不是我应该做的。

Again, Lindsey's mom, Vikki.

又是 Lindsey 的妈妈 Vikki。

Vikki Woodard She was like, "You--" And Lindsey's just got a little bit too much of her dad and I in her.

Vikki Woodard 她说，“你——” Lindsey 身上有点太多了她爸爸和我的影子。

She's very independent.

她非常独立。

She's like, "You're not going to tell me what to do.

她就像是，“你不会告诉我该怎么做。

You want me to do this?

你要我这么做吗？

I'm doing this other thing." She clearly looked at her dad.

我正在做另一件事。”她分明地看着她的父亲。

He said, Vikki, she looked at me with the most spite and hate in her face that he'd ever seen.

他说，维基，她看着我，脸上的表情是他见过的最恶毒和仇恨的。

And she was like, "I choose drug court." And he could not believe it.

她说，“我选择毒品法庭。”他简直不敢相信。

He said his heart fell into his stomach and that he was just stick.

他说他的心都沉到了肚子里，他只是一根棍子。

And he had told me just the other day on the phone, his voice was breaking, he said, "I wish-- I think about it over and over again in my head and, I wish I had stood up on that day in court." He regrets more that day than I do, I think.

就在前几天，他在电话里告诉我，他的声音有些沙哑，他说：“我希望——我在脑子里一遍又一遍地想这件事，我希望那天我在法庭上站起来。”我想他那天比我更后悔。

That's because Lindsey happened to be at a very unusual drug court.

那是因为林赛碰巧在一个非常不寻常的毒品法庭。

Most drug courts, you're in and out in a year or two.

大多数毒品法庭，你在一两年内进出。

The average program is a year and three months.

平均计划为一年零三个月。

Occasionally, very, very rarely, somebody is stuck in a drug court for three years.

偶尔，非常非常罕见，有人会被关在毒品法庭三年。

But the drug court run by Judge Amanda Williams operates so differently from others that Lindsey will spend five and a half years in drug court, including 14 months behind bars.

但阿曼达·威廉姆斯法官管理的毒品法庭的运作方式与其他法庭截然不同，林赛将在毒品法庭度过五年半的时间，其中包括 14 个月的监禁。

And then she's going to spend another five years after that.

然后她还要再度过五年。

Six months behind bars-- she's in the middle of that right now-- and four and a half years probation.

她被关押了六个月——她现在正处于其中——还有四年半的缓刑。

By the time she's done, it'll be 10 and a half years of her life.

当她完成这件事时，她的人生已经10年半了。

Now that seemed like a lot to me.

现在这对我来说似乎很多。

Remember, the original crime here is two forged checks totaling $100.

请记住，这里的原始犯罪行为是两张总计 100 美元的伪造支票。

First offense.

第一次犯规。

But I thought, maybe that's just how they do it in Georgia.

但我想，也许佐治亚州的人就是这样做的。

So I ran it by two lawyers who handle drug cases around the state.

所以我由两名处理全州毒品案件的律师负责管理。

That's insane.

那太疯狂了。

That is complete insanity.

这完全是疯狂。

This would be Bruce Harvey, a defense attorney who's handled felony drug cases for 33 years all over Georgia.

这位辩护律师是布鲁斯·哈维 (Bruce Harvey)，他在佐治亚州各地处理毒品重罪案件已有 33 年。

Here's Parag Shah, who was a public defender in Atlanta, author of a guide book to Georgia criminal law called The Code.

这是帕拉格·沙阿（Parag Shah），他是亚特兰大的一名公设辩护律师，也是乔治亚州刑法指南《法典》的作者。

Wow.

哇。

That is-- my opinion would be that would be egregious in probably 90% of the counties in Georgia.

也就是说，我的观点是，在佐治亚州大约 90% 的县中，这将是令人震惊的。

That seems like a lot.

看起来好像很多。

Parag Shah Extremely.

帕拉格·沙阿 极其。

Both attorneys said that typically two forged checks for $100 bucks, first offense, at most would get your probation.

两位律师都表示，通常两张 100 美元的伪造支票，初犯最多只能获得缓刑。

And you'd probably get some sort of alternative program, like a 16-week drug class or a life skills class, without ever going to trial.

您可能会获得某种替代计划，例如为期 16 周的药物课程或生活技能课程，而无需参加试用。

Of course these were defense attorneys.

当然，这些都是辩护律师。

Maybe prosecutors would see this differently.

也许检察官会有不同的看法。

So I ran the facts of Lindsey's case by the District Attorney for Forsyth County, Penny Penn, who handles the drug court cases there.

因此，我向福赛斯县地方检察官佩妮·佩恩（Penny Penn）了解了林赛案件的事实，她负责处理该县的毒品法庭案件。

It certainly sounds rather Kafkaesque, doesn't it?

这听起来确实很卡夫卡式的，不是吗？

And I don't know that it's a very good use of resources.

我不知道这是对资源的很好利用。

And that's separate and apart from just the fundamental fairness.

这与基本公平是分开的。

What's the fairness issue?

公平问题何在？

Penny Penn Well, that it has gone on for so long.

佩妮·佩恩 好吧，这种情况已经持续了这么久了。

You know, and the point of the drug court program is to get people help.

你知道，毒品法庭计划的目的是让人们得到帮助。

WBEZ Chicago.

WBEZ 芝加哥。

It's This American Life , distributed by Public Radio International.

《这就是美国生活》，由国际公共广播电台发行。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today on our show we have a story about the kinds of court cases that almost never make the news because the offenses are so small.

今天在我们的节目中，我们有一个关于法庭案件的故事，这些案件几乎从未成为新闻，因为罪行很小。

Two checks forged by a teenager, tiny instances of drug possession or attempts to purchase.

两张由青少年伪造的支票、持有毒品或试图购买毒品的小事例。

But these cases have life-changing consequences because they're being adjudicated in what is possibly the toughest drug court in the country.

但这些案件会带来改变生活的后果，因为它们是在全国可能最严厉的毒品法庭进行裁决的。

There are over 2,400 all over the United States.

美国各地有超过 2,400 个。

They give enormous power to judges.

他们赋予法官巨大的权力。

You sign away all kinds of rights when you enter the programs.

当您进入该计划时，您就放弃了各种权利。

This is the story of what happens when a judge takes that power and starts doing things other drug courts don't.

这是一个关于当法官掌握权力并开始做其他毒品法庭不做的事情时所发生的故事。

Things that violate the basic philosophy of all drug courts.

违反所有毒品法庭基本理念的事情。

After months of investigation I believe that it's likely no other drug court judge in the country is running a program like Judge Amanda Williams.

经过几个月的调查，我相信该国可能没有其他毒品法庭法官像阿曼达·威廉姆斯法官那样执行这样的计划。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

Before we go any further, there's something that's going to affect what you hear this hour.

在我们进一步讨论之前，有一些事情会影响您这一小时听到的内容。

It was unusually hard for me to get people to talk to me for this story.

对我来说，让人们跟我谈论这个故事是异常困难的。

Over and over I would hear about something that Judge Williams had supposedly said or done, and I was go to the lawyers or litigants involved, and they'd refuse to speak with me, saying they were scared of retaliation.

我一遍又一遍地听到威廉姆斯法官据说说过或做过的事情，我去找相关律师或诉讼当事人，但他们拒绝与我交谈，说他们害怕遭到报复。

Which to be fair, would probably happen around lots of judges all over the country.

公平地说，这种情况可能会发生在全国各地的很多法官身上。

In Glynn County, though, it was widespread.

然而，在格林县，这种情况很普遍。

Ex-employees of the court, people who'd come up before the judge on divorce proceedings or other business years ago, parents and family members of people who went before Judge Williams.

法院的前雇员、多年前就离婚诉讼或其他事务向法官提出诉讼的人、向威廉姆斯法官提出诉讼的人的父母和家人。

Nobody wanted to cross her.

没有人想得罪她。

I was able to get Judge Williams to sit down for an interview.

我得以让威廉姆斯法官坐下来接受采访。

It was this fall.

那是今年秋天。

She was up for reelection.

她准备竞选连任。

A small group of lawyers had organized against her, tried to get her voted off the bench.

一小群律师组织起来反对她，试图让她下台。

It became a very contentious, bitter race.

这变成了一场非常有争议、激烈的比赛。

Even in an interview setting, she's imposing.

即使在采访中，她也很有气势。

Forceful, very quick, very smart.

有力，非常快，非常聪明。

And she's idealistic.

而且她很理想主义。

She told me that her interest in starting a drug court in Glynn County wasn't just to make the courts run more efficiently.

她告诉我，她对在格林县设立毒品法庭的兴趣不仅仅是为了提高法庭的运作效率。

It was personal.

这是个人的。

There's some addiction in my family.

我的家人有些上瘾。

My husband has been in recovery for over 15 years.

我丈夫已经康复15年多了。

And about the time that I started looking to start a drug court, around 1996, he had gotten into recovery.

大约在 1996 年左右，我开始考虑设立一个毒品法庭时，他已经康复了。

So we've lived it as a family.

所以我们一家人过着这样的生活。

Because all the family members are touched by it.

因为所有的家人都被感动了。

To nobody's surprise, Judge Williams won reelection this fall.

毫不奇怪，威廉姆斯法官今年秋天赢得连任。

It's notoriously difficult to unseat a sitting judge.

众所周知，推翻现任法官是非常困难的。

She had massive name recognition after 20 years on the bench, and she outspent the other candidate 3 to 1.

在担任替补席 20 年后，她获得了很高的知名度，而且她的花费比其他候选人高出 3 比 1。

But by this winter, Judge Williams's opponents were still digging around for dirt.

但到今年冬天，威廉姆斯法官的对手仍在四处挖掘污垢。

Things were still incredibly divisive in town, and everyone was sure that more challenges for the judge were still on the way.

镇上的事情仍然存在令人难以置信的分歧，每个人都确信法官面临的更多挑战仍在路上。

And I assume because they felt so embattled, so unfairly attacked, drug court staff, counselors, and lawyers all declined my repeated requests for interviews.

我猜想，因为毒品法庭的工作人员、辅导员和律师感到如此四面楚歌，如此不公平地受到攻击，他们都拒绝了我一再提出的采访请求。

They acted like people under siege.

他们的表现就像是被围困的人一样。

The head of the counseling program, Steven Mansfield, after not returning my calls or emails, finally told me in the reception area of his office that he wouldn't take part in the story.

咨询项目的负责人史蒂文·曼斯菲尔德（Steven Mansfield）在没有回复我的电话或电子邮件后，最终在他办公室的接待区告诉我，他不会参与这个故事。

I asked him why, and he repeated, "I won't take part in your story." I asked, "Do you first want me to explain what the story's about?" And he said, "If you try, I'll call an officer and have you removed from the building."

我问他为什么，他重复道：“我不会参与你的故事。”我问：“你要我先解释一下这个故事的内容吗？”他说：“如果你尝试的话，我会打电话给警察，把你从大楼里带走。”

Unfortunately when I interviewed Judge Williams this fall, I only ran through the issues that had come up in the judicial election campaign.

不幸的是，当我今年秋天采访威廉姆斯法官时，我只回顾了司法竞选中出现的问题。

Since then, I've sent her my tentative conclusions about what I see in her drug court.

从那时起，我就我在毒品法庭上看到的情况向她发送了初步结论。

I listed the ways in which it seems unlike other drug courts around the country and asked for an interview about those differences.

我列出了它与全国其他毒品法庭的不同之处，并要求就这些差异进行采访。

But after I phoned, faxed, emailed, and simply sat in her office day after day hoping to catch her, she had her secretary turn me down.

但在我打电话、发传真、发电子邮件，日复一日地坐在她的办公室里希望能见到她之后，她让她的秘书拒绝了我。

The main way Judge Williams's drug court is different from other ones is that it is simply more punitive.

威廉姆斯法官的毒品法庭与其他法庭的主要不同之处在于它更具惩罚性。

Take what happened to Lindsey.

以林赛的遭遇为例。

The week after she signed up for drug court she was caught violating the drug court's curfew on a Friday night.

在她报名参加毒品法庭的一周后，她在周五晚上因违反毒品法庭的宵禁而被捕。

She also failed a drug screen.

她的药物筛查也未通过。

This is not unusual.

这并不罕见。

Most people entering any drug court program relapse in the first few months.

大多数参加毒品法庭计划的人都会在最初几个月内复发。

It's expected and built into the programs.

这是预期的并内置于程序中。

Lindsey ended up in front of Judge Williams the following Wednesday.

接下来的周三，林赛最终出现在威廉姆斯法官面前。

So she's telling me she still thinks I'm smoking pot, which I probably was.

所以她告诉我她仍然认为我在吸大麻，而我可能就是这样。

And so I had-- she like reams me out.

于是我就——她喜欢让我大吃一惊。

Tells me that I'm like-- I just remember being in drug court.

告诉我我就像——我只记得在毒品法庭上。

My face turned blood red.

我的脸变成了血红色。

She was screaming at me.

她对我尖叫。

I started crying.

我开始哭了。

I had to go do seven days.

我必须去干7天。

Seven days in jail, that is.

也就是坐牢七天。

Lindsey Dills And then from then on, the only time I ever interacted with Judge Williams was when I was in trouble.

Lindsey Dills 从那时起，我唯一一次与威廉姆斯法官互动就是在我遇到麻烦的时候。

And she would flip out every time I went before her.

每次我走在她前面，她都会发脾气。

I mean, she was just-- she's screaming at you in court.

我的意思是，她只是——她在法庭上对你尖叫。

I mean, she's standing behind the bench with a microphone and screaming at you.

我的意思是，她拿着麦克风站在长凳后面对你尖叫。

Judge Williams has a reputation for yelling from the bench.

威廉姆斯法官以在替补席上大喊大叫而闻名。

When the new District Attorney, Jackie Johnson was sworn into office by the judge this August she joked, "Judge Williams heard my first trial.

今年八月，当新任地方检察官杰基·约翰逊在法官的陪同下宣誓就职时，她开玩笑说：“威廉姆斯法官听取了我的第一次审判。

And of course, she yelled at me." I talked to one former drug court counselor who told me he actually quit over this.

当然，她还对我大喊大叫。”我与一位前毒品法庭顾问交谈过，他告诉我他实际上因此辞职了。

They'd see the judge lash out at clients, embarrass them and scold them.

他们会看到法官猛烈抨击当事人，让他们难堪并责骂他们。

He came to feel that it was counterproductive, that what the addicts heard was the old punitive message that they were failures and worthless.

他开始觉得这会适得其反，瘾君子们听到的是古老的惩罚性信息，即他们是失败者和毫无价值的。

It set them back.

这让他们退缩了。

He eventually felt that he couldn't, in good conscience, be part of it.

他最终觉得凭良心来说，他不能参与其中。

In the court transcript the day that Lindsey's talking about, March 30, 2005, Judge Williams says, "Don't come up here and tell me you're not drinking.

在林赛谈到的那一天（2005 年 3 月 30 日）的法庭笔录中，威廉姆斯法官说道：“别到这里来告诉我你没有喝酒。

I will put you in jail another 24 hours every time you tell me you're not drinking.

每次你告诉我你没有喝酒，我就会再把你关进监狱 24 小时。

I know you're drinking." Lindsey then says something that's inaudible to the court reporter.

我知道你在喝酒。”林赛随后说了一些法庭记者听不见的话。

Judge Williams replies, "You're drinking.

威廉姆斯法官回答道：“你在喝酒。

You're drinking.

你在喝酒。

Do you understand that you cannot drink?" Lindsey says, "Yes, ma'am." Judge Williams says, "OK, you're drinking and I personally think that you're using marijuana." This goes on for awhile and she says, "Now you give me seven days." Before Lindsey goes, the judge warns her, "Don't come in here and pull this addiction mess with this court."

你知道不能喝酒吗？”林赛说：“是的，女士。”威廉姆斯法官说：“好吧，你在喝酒，我个人认为你在吸食大麻。”这种情况持续了一段时间，她说：“现在你给我七天时间。”在林赛走之前，法官警告她，“不要来这里，把这瘾症的麻烦带到法庭上。”

Lindsey gets seven days for her first relapse.

林赛第一次旧病复发将被判处 7 天的刑期。

The standard penalty in Judge Williams's courtroom is less.

威廉姆斯法官法庭上的标准处罚要少一些。

If you fail a drug screen and don't admit to using drugs, it's three days the first time you relapse, seven days the second time, 28 days the third time.

如果您未通过药物筛查且不承认吸毒，则第一次复发需要 3 天，第二次需要 7 天，第三次需要 28 天。

Any drug court that relies primarily on jail, or punishment generally, is operating way outside of our philosophy and just does not understand addiction.

任何主要依赖监狱或一般惩罚的毒品法庭的运作方式都超出了我们的理念，而且根本不理解成瘾。

This is West Huddleston, who runs the National Association of Drug Court Professionals, the main organization for 25,000 judges, lawyers and counselors in the nation's 2,400-plus drug courts.

我是西·赫德尔斯顿，他负责管理全国毒品法庭专业人员协会，该协会是全国 2,400 多个毒品法庭的 25,000 名法官、律师和顾问的主要组织。

He's been working with drug courts since the mid-'90s.

自 20 世纪 90 年代中期以来，他一直在毒品法庭工作。

He used to be a counselor and a coordinator for one.

他曾经是一名顾问和协调员。

He says the problem with jail time is that decades of experience shows it doesn't work with addicts.

他说，坐牢的问题在于，几十年的经验表明，它对瘾君子不起作用。

Addicts keep using no matter what terrible things happen to them as a result of using.

成瘾者会继续使用，无论使用后发生什么可怕的事情。

It's practically the definition of an addict.

这实际上是瘾君子的定义。

They've lost jobs.

他们失业了。

They've lost their income.

他们失去了收入。

They've lost their loved ones.

他们失去了亲人。

All of those natural consequences, which are much more severe than a day, or two, or three in jail have not stopped them from using drugs and alcohol.

所有这些自然后果（比在监狱里呆一天、两天或三天要严重得多）并没有阻止他们吸毒和酗酒。

Why would we think that putting them in jail would do so?

为什么我们会认为把他们关进监狱会这样做呢？

And so when drug courts use jail time-- and the majority do-- he says it's very sparingly.

因此，当毒品法庭使用监禁时间时——大多数人都会这样做——他说这是非常谨慎的。

You know, 12 hours, 24 hours.

你知道，12小时，24小时。

Ira Glass And only after other sanctions have failed.

艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 而且只有在其他制裁措施失败之后。

The official National Association for Drug Court Professionals' guidelines lists seven other possible things courts can do before they resort to jail, including warnings, increased treatment or monitoring, fines, community service, having to watch a whole day of drug court proceedings.

全国毒品法庭专业人士协会的官方指南列出了法庭在入狱之前可以做的其他七件事，包括警告、加强治疗或监控、罚款、社区服务、必须观看一整天的毒品法庭诉讼。

The whole point of drug court was to be an alternative to what they called the punitive approach taken by the rest of the criminal justice system, and to replace that with treating and curing the addicts.

毒品法庭的全部目的是替代刑事司法系统其他部分所采取的惩罚性方法，并用治疗和治愈吸毒者来取代这种方法。

Now to be fair to Judge Williams and her drug court, I should point out the while jail time for first relapses might be unusual in drug courts around the country, it's not unusual in Georgia.

现在，为了公平地对待威廉姆斯法官和她的毒品法庭，我应该指出，虽然在全国各地的毒品法庭中，第一次旧病复发的入狱时间可能不寻常，但在佐治亚州这并不罕见。

Calling around, we found that these counties and judicial circuits all do it: Gwinnett, Dublin, Atlantic, Eastern, Forsyth, Cherokee, Enota, Dekalb, Waycross, Hall.

环顾四周，我们发现这些县和司法巡回法院都这样做：格温内特、都柏林、大西洋、东部、福赛斯、切罗基、埃诺塔、迪卡尔布、韦克罗斯、霍尔。

Most of these counties, it's just a day or two in jail on first relapse.

这些县中的大多数，第一次旧病复发只会入狱一两天。

And none of them came close to the amount of jail time Judge Williams prescribes for later relapses and broken rules.

他们中没有一个人接近威廉姆斯法官为后来的旧病复发和违反规则规定的监禁时间。

Lindsey ends up doing jail stays of 51 days, 90 days, 104 days, which would be unheard of in most drug courts.

Lindsey 最终被判入狱 51 天、90 天、104 天，这在大多数毒品法庭上都是闻所未闻的。

And Judge Williams takes people who relapse four times and sends them away on what she calls "indefinite sentences." I could find no other drug court in Georgia that does this, and none of the national experts I talk with have ever even heard of such a practice.

威廉姆斯法官将那些旧病复发四次的人带走，并以她所说的“无限期徒刑”将他们送走。我在佐治亚州找不到其他毒品法庭这样做，而且与我交谈的国家专家都没有听说过这种做法。

I learn details of how it works through interviews, court documents, and court depositions.

我通过采访、法庭文件和法庭证词了解其运作方式的细节。

An indefinite sentence is just what it sounds like.

不定句顾名思义就是不定句。

Judge Williams sends you to jail, but doesn't specify how long it's going to be.

威廉姆斯法官将你送进监狱，但没有具体说明要关多久。

Often that's because she hasn't decided.

通常这是因为她还没有决定。

I was told that Judge Williams would declare things like, "They're going to sit their ass over there till they get a better attitude." Or, "Take them away.

有人告诉我，威廉姆斯法官会宣布这样的话：“他们会坐在那儿，直到他们的态度变得更好。”或者，“把他们带走。

You'll come back when I'm ready for you." So you sit in jail and wait, not sure what's going to happen to you next.

当我准备好迎接你时，你就会回来。”所以你坐在监狱里等待，不确定接下来会发生什么。

Usually it's two or three months, but it can be more.

通常是两三个月，但也可以更长。

At the end of all this, some people are kicked out of the drug court program, some are allowed back in.

最终，有些人被踢出毒品法庭计划，有些人又被允许重新进入。

Some are sent to inpatient rehab facilities.

有些被送往住院康复机构。

Though the problem here, I was told by a drug court insider, was that, contrary to national drug court guidelines, Judge Williams first punishes the person for at least 28 days in jail-- and usually it's months-- before they're sent anywhere for more treatment.

一名毒品法庭内部人士告诉我，这里的问题在于，与国家毒品法庭的指导方针相反，威廉姆斯法官首先会判处此人至少 28 天监禁（通常是几个月），然后再将他们送往其他地方接受更多治疗。

Lindsey Dills got sent away to indefinite detention on October 8, 2008.

Lindsey Dills 于 2008 年 10 月 8 日被无限期拘留。

She'd been in the program for three and a half years at that point, had relapsed a couple times, done all sorts of things where you can understand they'd be kind of fed up with her.

那时她已经参加这个项目三年半了，已经旧病复发了几次，做了各种各样的事情，你可以理解他们会有点厌倦她。

There's no court transcript of what the judge said that day, because rather than sentence Lindsey in open court like usual, for reasons that aren't clear--

法官当天的言论没有法庭笔录，因为林赛没有像往常一样在公开法庭上宣判，原因尚不清楚——

She doesn't do me in front of everyone else.

她不会在所有人面前对我做事。

She has me go back into her chambers with her and the drug court staff.

她让我和她以及毒品法庭的工作人员一起回到她的房间。

So we're in private now.

所以我们现在处于私下状态。

There's no one that can hear any of this being said, and she's telling me how she thinks she should terminate me.

没有人能听到这些话，而她正在告诉我她认为她应该如何终止我。

Terminate her, kick her out of the program.

终止她，将她踢出计划。

Which would mean serving the full sentence on the original forgery charges, 20 to 24 months.

这意味着要因最初的伪造指控而服满 20 至 24 个月的刑期。

I was hysterically crying this whole time.

我一直在歇斯底里地哭泣。

Because I'm like, "Oh my god she's going--" And I'm back in the chambers, completely by myself.

因为我想，“天哪，她要去——”然后我就回到了房间，完全是我一个人。

I have no idea what's about to happen.

我不知道会发生什么。

And she's telling me how she's been thinking about terminating me, how she doesn't know if I can get this.

她告诉我她一直在考虑解雇我，她不知道我是否能得到这个。

That maybe I just need to go to jail and maybe I'll get it sometime later in my life, that they have other people to deal with.

也许我只需要进监狱，也许我会在以后的某个时候明白，他们还有其他人要对付。

So she says, "You're going to give me 28 days.

所以她说：“你给我 28 天的时间。

So I get to the jailhouse and I call my dad immediately as soon as I get there, from the pay phone that's in the booking area.

所以我到达监狱后，我一到那里就立即用预订区的公用电话给我爸爸打电话。

And I hear the phone ring where the booking area is.

我听到预订区的电话响了。

And they answer it, and I heard them say, "Dills." Like, they were talking to someone and they said something about Dills.

他们接了电话，我听到他们说：“迪尔斯。”就像，他们在和某人谈话时说了一些关于迪尔斯的事情。

So I'm on the phone and they said, "Dills hang that phone up." And I'm like, "OK." And so I turn around, and the tell me that Judge Williams has now called and ordered me to have no further contact: no phone, no visitation, and no mail.

我正在打电话，他们说：“迪尔斯挂断电话。”我说：“好吧。”于是我转过身来，法官告诉我，威廉姆斯法官现在已经打电话过来，命令我不要再联系：不能打电话，不能探视，也不能发邮件。

And that I'd be put in their isolation cell.

我会被关进他们的隔离牢房。

And I'm like, "How long?" And they're like, "We don't know." And I'm like, "Well for the whole 28 days that I'm here?" And they said, "Well your order is now indefinite."

我想，“多久？”他们说，“我们不知道。”我想，“我在这里整整 28 天了？”他们说：“好吧，你的订单现在是无限期的。”

So I don't know what to do.

所以我不知道该怎么办。

I'm thinking she's just going to leave me there for 28 days like this to really just scare the crap out of me.

我想她会把我留在那里28天，就是为了吓死我。

And then she's going to let me out.

然后她就会放我出去。

Well, 28 days comes and goes and I'm still sitting there.

好吧，28天过去了，我仍然坐在那里。

I don't know-- no one's come to see me.

我不知道——没有人来看我。

No one's told me what's happening.

没有人告诉我发生了什么事。

And then I also am on antidepressants at this point, prescribed by the drug court doctor, Dr. Cox, that I've run out of 28 days into my visit and I'm not allowed to call or tell anyone that I'm out of medication.

然后我现在也在服用毒品法庭医生 Cox 医生开出的抗抑郁药，自我出庭后 28 天就已经用完，而且我不能打电话或告诉任何人我的药物用完了。

So now I'm coming off antidepressants.

所以现在我正在停止服用抗抑郁药。

I'm taking Cymbalta and Seroquel, and I'm detoxing from both that I've been on for over a year.

我正在服用欣百达（Cymbalta）和思瑞康（Seroquel），我正在对这两种药物进行排毒，这两种药物已经服用了一年多了。

I have no way to fill a new script or tell anyone that I need any more meds.

我无法填写新的剧本或告诉任何人我需要更多的药物。

Yeah.

是的。

I did tell the guards.

我确实告诉了警卫。

I told medical.

我告诉医疗。

But they can't do anything.

但他们什么也做不了。

They can't fill the script within the jail.

他们无法在监狱内完成剧本。

Her isolation cell was just a regular cell in the middle of the normal cell block.

她的隔离牢房只是正常牢房块中间的一个普通牢房。

Four walls and a door.

四堵墙和一扇门。

And sometimes other participants in the drug court would relapse and wind up in that cell block.

有时毒品法庭的其他参与者会旧病复发并最终被关进牢房。

I'm screaming through the door that I'm behind.

我透过我身后的门尖叫。

Like, someone from drug court will holler up at me.

就像，毒品法庭的某个人会对我大喊大叫。

And I told people leaving that were going to drug court to tell drug court, please just let me get my medications back.

我告诉那些离开的人要去毒品法庭告诉毒品法庭，请让我拿回我的药物。

And no one ever comes and sees me.

从来没有人来看过我。

I was in the same dorm as her.

我和她在同一个宿舍。

But I wasn't in lock down.

但我并没有被封锁。

Brandi Byrd was another drug court participant in the Glynn County jail at the same time.

布兰迪·伯德 (Brandi Byrd) 是格林县监狱的另一名毒品法庭参与者。

She had also worked at Spanky's, though not at the same time as Lindsey.

她也曾在 Spanky's 工作过，不过与 Lindsey 不是同时工作的。

The cell next to hers, me and some of the other girls would go in there and talk to her through the wall, through the air vents.

在她旁边的牢房里，我和其他一些女孩会进去，隔着墙壁、通过通风口与她交谈。

How do you do that?

你是怎么做到的？

Brandi Byrd You just stand up on the toilet or the sink and get to the air vent and talk through it and they can hear you.

Brandi Byrd 你只需站在马桶或水槽上，走到通风口并通过它说话，他们就能听到你的声音。

Ask her if she was OK.

问她是否还好。

They're not even allowed-- they're not really supposed to talk to me, these other inmates aren't.

他们甚至不被允许——他们实际上不应该和我说话，其他囚犯则不可以。

But I'm telling them, hey will you tell Gail to come see me to tell me what's going on-- my counselor-- they were going back to drug court.

但我告诉他们，嘿，你能告诉盖尔来见我，告诉我发生了什么事吗——我的顾问——他们要回到毒品法庭。

Drug court's telling them don't worry about me.

毒品法庭告诉他们不用担心我。

They know where I am.

他们知道我在哪里。

I just check on her.

我只是检查一下她。

Are you OK?

你还好吗？

Do you want my grandma to call anybody for you?

你想让我奶奶帮你叫人吗？

Do you want something to eat?

你想吃点东西吗？

All she got to eat was the regular jail food, which is awful.

她吃的只是普通的监狱食物，太糟糕了。

So we'd slide her some ramen Noodles or some Kool-Aid or something under the door and try not to get caught.

所以我们会在门下塞给她一些拉面或酷爱饮料之类的东西，尽量不要被抓住。

And how'd she seem?

她看上去怎么样？

Brandi Byrd She was very, very depressed.

布兰迪·伯德 她非常非常沮丧。

That's why we kept checking on her.

这就是为什么我们一直在检查她。

She was really depressed.

她真的很郁闷。

I cried a lot.

我哭了很多次。

Pretty much all the time, I was crying.

几乎每时每刻，我都在哭泣。

I was like, how is this happening?

我当时想，这是怎么发生的？

How is this ethical?

这如何符合道德？

Where am I?

我在哪里？

Am I in a foreign country?

我是在国外吗？

Have I killed someone that I don't know about?

我杀了一个我不认识的人吗？

Like, how does what I did merit that type of treatment?

比如，我的所作所为如何值得受到这种待遇？

But there's nothing I can do about it, because I can't even use the phone.

但我对此无能为力，因为我什至无法使用电话。

I can't even send a letter.

我什至不能寄信。

Weeks went by.

几个星期过去了。

Lindsey had no idea what was going to happen or when it was going to happen.

林赛不知道会发生什么，也不知道什么时候会发生。

Her public defender, Jason Clarke, was no longer with the drug court.

她的公设辩护人杰森·克拉克（Jason Clarke）已不再出庭。

And no other public defender came to check on her, she says.

她说，没有其他公设辩护人来检查她。

She also says that no doctor and no counselor from the drug court ever checked on her.

她还说，没有医生和毒品法庭的辅导员对她进行过检查。

I'm like, "Where do they do this?" I've never heard of it, and if it's even legal.

我想，“他们在哪里做这个？”我从来没有听说过它，甚至它是否合法。

And why isn't my family doing anything?

为什么我的家人不采取任何行动？

The family, without Lindsey knowing, was trying to get answers from the drug court counselors about when she'd be coming out, about what the plan was, what was happening.

在林赛不知情的情况下，家人试图从毒品法庭顾问那里得到关于她何时出庭、计划是什么以及发生了什么的答案。

Nobody tells them anything, they say.

他们说，没有人告诉他们任何事情。

Lindsey's mom, Vikki, up in South Carolina, says as soon as Lindsey went into detention they were told that the judge put her in isolation, that she couldn't have contact with anybody, including the family.

林赛的妈妈维琪住在南卡罗来纳州，她说林赛一被拘留，他们就被告知法官将她隔离，她不能与任何人接触，包括家人。

At that point in time I said something to Johnny.

那时我对约翰尼说了一些话。

I said, "I have a good mind to go to the newspaper and tell them what they're doing to our child." And he said, "Oh, Vikki, you cannot do that.

我说：“我很想去报纸，告诉他们他们对我们的孩子做了什么。”他说：“哦，维基，你不能那样做。

You don't Amanda Williams and the power she has down here." He said, "It's gotten worse since you've left." And he said, "You cannot do that."

你不知道阿曼达·威廉姆斯和她在这里拥有的权力。”他说，“自从你离开后，情况变得更糟了。”他说，“你不能这样做。”

Because why?

因为为什么？

How could it be worse than your kid locked up indefinitely with no contact from the outside world?

这还能比你的孩子被无限期地关起来、与外界失去联系更糟糕吗？

That it could be indefinitely longer.

它可能无限期地更长。

That she could make things really difficult for Lindsey.

她会让林赛的事情变得非常困难。

I kept thinking, there's no way she'll leave me here on Christmas.

我一直在想，她不可能在圣诞节把我留在这里。

Typically when she leaves you indefinite you stay about 90 days, is what usually you'll see.

通常，当她无限期离开您时，您通常会看到大约 90 天。

So I'm thinking, there's no way that she's going to leave me here like this though Christmas.

所以我在想，她不可能在圣诞节期间就这样把我留在这里。

So December 8, someone came to jail from drug court on a sanction and they said, "Oh, well Judge Williams isn't having court again till January." She was gone.

因此，12 月 8 日，有人因毒品法庭的制裁而入狱，他们说：“哦，好吧，威廉姆斯法官要到一月份才会再次出庭。”她走了。

She'd gone out of town.

她出城了。

She does it every December.

她每年十二月都会这样做。

She's not even going to be back until like, January 6.

她甚至要到 1 月 6 日才会回来。

So this is the 9th and so I'm just like, I can't do it anymore.

这是第九次了，我就想，我不能再这样做了。

I'm completely a wreck by this point.

至此我已经彻底崩溃了。

I haven't seen any other human besides the people that come bring me food.

除了给我送食物的人之外，我没有看到任何其他人。

And I'm not that stable anyway.

而且我也不是那么稳定。

And I can't figure out how this is helping me.

我不明白这对我有什么帮助。

So I'm like, "Whatever, she's going to send me to prison and I can't do prison."

所以我想，“无论如何，她会把我送进监狱，但我不能进监狱。”

So that night I'm like, "I can't do this anymore." We had a new officer on duty that doesn't know that when you get your razor you're supposed to give it back.

所以那天晚上我想，“我不能再这样做了。”我们有一位新值班警官，他不知道当你拿到剃须刀时你应该把它归还。

You mean like a little Bic razor, that kind?

你是说像 Bic 剃须刀之类的吗？

Yeah.

是的。

The little one blade in them.

其中的小刀片。

Like you buy, disposable razors.

就像你买的一次性剃须刀一样。

But I just broke it and took the blade out.

但我只是打破了它并取出了刀片。

I have 15 minutes to use the razor.

我有 15 分钟的时间使用剃须刀。

And then she came around to serve dinner.

然后她过来上菜。

When she still didn't ask for it back, I realized at that point she wasn't going to.

当她仍然不要求归还时，我意识到她不会这样做。

And then I slit my wrists and sat on the floor by the door.

然后我割断手腕，坐在门边的地板上。

And they did a round 20 minutes later.

20分钟后他们又进行了一轮比赛。

Which is earlier than they normally would have done it.

这比他们通常会做的要早。

But she was changing shifts.

但她正在换班。

And then that was when they found me.

然后就在那时他们找到了我。

And then--

然后——

Was your thought, I'm going to do this in a way where I get out of here?

你是否想过，我会以某种方式离开这里？

Or is your thought, I'm going to do this in a way where I'm dead?

或者你的想法是，我会以一种我死了的方式来做这件事？

I actually hoped that I would die.

我其实希望自己死掉。

But at the point that I figured then, well if I die, great.

但当时我想，如果我死了，那就太好了。

If I don't, at least someone will freakin' hear me.

如果我不这样做，至少会有人听到我的声音。

They'll have to send me somewhere.

他们得把我送到某个地方。

You know what I mean?

你知道我的意思吗？

They'll have get me some type of help.

他们会给我一些帮助。

And then the doctor that came in to do the stitches was like, "I can't believe y'all gave this girl a razor in the first place.

然后进来缝针的医生说：“我不敢相信你们一开始就给了这个女孩一把剃须刀。

How would you think that someone would feel staying in there like that?

你认为有人这样待在那里会有什么感觉？

Like they're animals?" And he was like, "Who ordered this?" And they said, "Judge Williams." And he like, I remember him cussing her name up and down in the room.

就像他们是动物一样？”他说，“谁下的这个？”他们说，“威廉姆斯法官。”他喜欢，我记得他在房间里上下咒骂她的名字。

He was like, "I'm calling her myself." Duh duh duh.

他说：“我自己给她打电话。”呵呵呵呵。

He said, "I can't believe you would do that." He said, "What are you here for?" I said, "Drug court." And he was like, "Did you get in a fight or anything?" And I was like, "No sir." He was like, "What the hell, y'all?

他说：“我不敢相信你会这么做。”他说：“你来这里做什么？”我说：“毒品法庭。”他说：“你们打架了吗？”我当时的反应是：“不，先生。”他就像是，“你们到底怎么了？

I mean, why didn't anyone tell any type of psych-- Have you even seen anybody?" I was like, "No sir." And this is all like, I'm under anesthesia at this point, talking to this guy.

我的意思是，为什么没有人告诉任何类型的心理——你见过任何人吗？”我说，“没有，先生。”这一切就像是，我此时处于麻醉状态，正在和这个家伙说话。

His name is Dr. Gunderson.

他的名字是冈德森博士。

He was really, really nice.

他真的非常非常好。

He was really nice to me.

他对我真的很好。

But nobody can believe-- they're like, "We don't know.

但没有人相信——他们会说，“我们不知道。

It's just what Judge Williams told us to do." The officers are feeling guilty.

这正是威廉姆斯法官告诉我们要做的。”警官们感到内疚。

They're like, "We don't know.

他们就像是，“我们不知道。

It's just what the order said."

这就是命令所说的。”

There's some things in this story that I cannot confirm.

这个故事里有些事情我无法证实。

Dr. Jeff Gunderson declined my request to check out the facts of what Lindsey said about him and what he said.

杰夫·冈德森博士拒绝了我要求核实林赛所说的关于他的事实以及他所说的内容的请求。

I can't confirm that her medication ran out and it was impossible for her to get a refill.

我无法确认她的药物是否已用完，并且她不可能获得续药。

I can confirm that Lindsey's drug court counselors did not visit her in jail, though.

不过，我可以确认林赛的毒品法庭顾问没有去监狱探望她。

I was told that it's standard operating procedure in Judge Williams's drug court not to provide any treatment or counseling or even AA or NA meetings in jail, even though the National Association of Drug Court Professionals guidelines say they should.

我被告知，威廉姆斯法官的毒品法庭的标准操作程序是不在监狱中提供任何治疗或咨询，甚至不提供 AA 或 NA 会议，尽管全国毒品法庭专业人员协会指南说他们应该这样做。

In files at the jail and at the courthouse, I did find Judge Williams's order sending Lindsey into indefinite detention.

在监狱和法院的档案中，我确实发现了威廉姆斯法官下令无限期拘留林赛。

Quote, "Until further order of the court." But nothing specifying solitary confinement.

引用：“直至法院进一步下令。”但没有具体说明单独监禁。

A jail official told me that it would be unusual-- but not unheard of-- for the judge to order that kind of thing.

一名监狱官员告诉我，法官下这样的命令虽然不寻常，但并非闻所未闻。

If Judge Williams hadn't ordered Lindsey into solitary, the only other way that she could have ended up there is if the jail's disciplinary committee held a hearing and put her there.

如果威廉姆斯法官没有命令林赛单独监禁，那么她最终可能被单独监禁的唯一方法就是监狱纪律委员会举行听证会并将她关押在那里。

I asked the jail to check and see if she had come before the disciplinary committee in October 2008.

2008年10月，我要求看守所核实她是否曾到过纪委。

They told me that this raised privacy issues and that I needed to get Lindsey to sign a notarized document giving them permission to release this information.

他们告诉我，这引发了隐私问题，我需要让林赛签署一份经过公证的文件，允许他们发布这些信息。

Lindsey is currently in a prison halfway across the state, so it took some doing to get a document to her and signed and notarized from behind bars.

林赛目前在州内的一所监狱里，所以她花了一些功夫才给她一份文件，并在狱中签署和公证。

But I managed that.

但我做到了。

When I presented this document to the Sheriff's office, which runs the jail, I was told that Sheriff Wayne Bennett had decided that although the notarized document from Lindsey would allow him to give me the information that I wanted, it did not mandate that he give it to me.

当我向负责管理监狱的治安官办公室提交这份文件时，我被告知韦恩·贝内特治安官已经决定，虽然林赛的经过公证的文件允许他向我提供我想要的信息，但这并不强制他必须向我提供。

So he did not.

所以他没有。

Lindsey's family did confirm that she tried to kill herself, that they got called with this news when it happened.

林赛的家人确实证实她试图自杀，事情发生后他们接到了这个消息。

Two and a half years later, Lindsey still has scars.

两年半过去了，林赛的伤疤仍然存在。

Umm, those two are there.

嗯，那两个人在那里。

Ira Glass The right one looks OK.

Ira Glass 正确的那个看起来不错。

The left one you could still see two big--

左边你还能看到两个大——

Yeah, they're better today than they were.

是的，他们今天比以前更好了。

My hand shook really bad from where I guess, I nicked some type of nerve.

我猜我的手抖得很厉害，我伤到了某种神经。

I don't do it real bad anymore.

我不再做坏事了。

Just barely.

只是勉强。

Yeah, I mean they shake, my wrists do, but--

是的，我的意思是它们在颤抖，我的手腕也在颤抖，但是——

And did the counselors know that you had a history of cutting?

辅导员知道你有割伤史吗？

Yes.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

They did.

他们做到了。

Ira Glass And did Judge Williams know?

艾拉·格拉斯 威廉姆斯法官知道吗？

Yeah.

是的。

Ira Glass If they didn't know, they were missing out on some crucial information about her.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：如果他们不知道，他们就错过了一些关于她的重要信息。

The counselors and Judge Williams also had to know about any antidepressants Lindsey was on because the drug court contract specifies that they had to approve any medications that she used.

辅导员和威廉姆斯法官还必须了解林赛服用的任何抗抑郁药物，因为毒品法庭合同规定，他们必须批准她使用的任何药物。

And, according to court records, Lindsey had been on suicide watch before, two years before, on August 15, 2006.

而且，根据法庭记录，林赛在两年前的 2006 年 8 月 15 日就曾接受过自杀监视。

In spite of this, somebody ordered her into a cell for months, in isolation.

尽管如此，还是有人把她关进牢房隔离几个月。

Coming up, Brandi, the girl who slipped ramen noodles to Lindsey, she has got quite a story too.

接下来是布兰迪，那个给林赛塞拉面的女孩，她也有一个故事。

That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio on Public Radio International when our program continues.

一分钟后，国际公共广播电台的芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。

It's This American Life .

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today we're devoting our entire show to the story of one judge and one drug court.

今天，我们的整个节目都致力于讲述一名法官和一名毒品法庭的故事。

The judge is Amanda Williams, Chief Judge of the Superior Court of Glynn County, Georgia.

法官是佐治亚州格林县高等法院首席法官阿曼达·威廉姆斯。

She runs the drug court programs in Glynn, Camden, and Wayne County.

她负责管理格林县、卡姆登县和韦恩县的毒品法庭项目。

And she runs them very differently than other drug court programs around the country.

她的运作方式与全国其他毒品法庭项目截然不同。

One big way they're different?

他们最大的不同之处是什么？

They pull in way more offenders than other drug courts.

他们比其他毒品法庭招收的罪犯要多得多。

In 2009, according to the Georgia Department of Audits and Accounts, the Glynn and Camden County drug courts, run by Amanda Williams, were the biggest drug court operation in the state of Georgia.

2009 年，根据佐治亚州审计与会计部的数据，阿曼达·威廉姆斯 (Amanda Williams) 管理的格林县和卡姆登县毒品法庭是佐治亚州最大的毒品法庭。

The biggest, with 378 participants.

规模最大，有 378 名参与者。

That is 48 more participants than the drug court in Fulton County.

这比富尔顿县毒品法庭的参与者多 48 人。

Fulton County contains the city of Atlanta.

富尔顿县包含亚特兰大市。

Fulton County has 10 times the population of Glynn and Camden Counties combined, yet its drug court was smaller.

富尔顿县的人口是格林县和卡姆登县人口总和的 10 倍，但其毒品法庭却较小。

So what's Judge Williams doing to nudge so many people-- such a remarkably high number of offenders-- into drug court?

那么，威廉姆斯法官正在做什么，将如此多的人——数量如此之多的罪犯——推入毒品法庭呢？

You may remember Brandi Byrd, the young woman who stood on the toilet and had shouted conversations with Lindsey Dills in the Glynn County jail.

您可能还记得布兰迪·伯德（Brandi Byrd），这位年轻女子站在格林县监狱的马桶上，与林赛·迪尔斯（Lindsey Dills）大声交谈。

How she ended up in drug court is a story that begins one night when she was out with friends.

她如何最终进入毒品法庭的故事始于一个晚上，当时她与朋友外出。

And my friend got pulled over for DUI.

我的朋友因酒后驾车被拦下。

He was driving.

他正在开车。

They asked to search the car and my belongings, and I told them they could.

他们要求搜查汽车和我的物品，我告诉他们可以。

I told them that I didn't have anything.

我告诉他们我什么都没有。

Well, when they searched my purse, they found two Darvocets which were my mother's.

好吧，当他们搜查我的钱包时，他们发现了两把达沃塞，是我母亲的。

Here's how they got there.

他们是这样到达那里的。

Brandi and her family all say that a few months before, Brandi had an operation to remove some precancerous cells that could develop into cervical cancer.

布兰迪和她的家人都说，几个月前，布兰迪做了一次手术，切除了一些可能发展成宫颈癌的癌前细胞。

And I didn't have health insurance.

而且我没有健康保险。

So my mom had actually given me a couple pills to take instead of me filling my script for my own pain medicine.

所以我妈妈实际上给了我几片药片让我服用，而不是我填写自己的止痛药处方。

I never took them, so they were still in there.

我从来没有拿过它们，所以它们还在那里。

And I meant to give them back to her but it just slipped my mind.

我本想把它们还给她，但我却忘记了。

I had them in an Altoids Mint thing in my pocketbook.

我把它们放在我的钱包里的 Altoids Mint 东西里。

So when they found them, they asked me what they were and I told them that they were Darvocets and they belonged to my mom.

所以当他们找到它们时，他们问我它们是什么，我告诉他们它们是达沃塞特，它们属于我妈妈。

I didn't realize they were in there.

我没有意识到他们在那里。

And they told me, "Well you know this is a felony drug charge." I said, "No, I didn't."

他们告诉我，“你知道这是一项毒品重罪指控。”我说：“不，我没有。”

Well, they arrested me and I called my grandma, because I wanted to be bonded out.

好吧，他们逮捕了我，我给我奶奶打电话，因为我想保释。

Well, then they told me, you do not have a bond until you see Amanda Williams.

好吧，然后他们告诉我，在你见到阿曼达·威廉姆斯之前，你没有任何关系。

If you're arrested for a felony drug charge, you don't have a bond until you go before the judge.

如果您因毒品重罪而被捕，在接受法官审判之前您不会获得保释。

Most places, it's if you get arrested you have a bond immediately unless you're on a probation violation or, of course, if it was murder or something like that you would have to wait to go to court.

在大多数地方，如果你被捕，你会立即获得保释，除非你违反缓刑规定，或者，当然，如果是谋杀或类似的事情，你就必须等待上法庭。

That's actually a pretty good summary of the way it works in most courts in Georgia.

这实际上是对佐治亚州大多数法院运作方式的一个很好的总结。

Brandi's somebody who wishes that she could be a lawyer.

布兰迪希望自己能成为一名律师。

She's got a head for it, too.

她也有这个头脑。

So I freaked out about that.

所以我对此感到害怕。

Just the fact of, I was stuck in jail and couldn't bond out.

事实上，我被困在监狱里，无法出狱。

In Glynn County, you wait in jail on any drug charge to the next day that drug court cases come around.

在格林县，你因任何毒品指控而在监狱里等待毒品法庭案件审理的第二天。

And it's just once a week.

而且每周只有一次。

So Brandi sits in jail for six days before she's put in front of Judge Williams.

因此，布兰迪在监狱里待了六天，然后才被带到威廉姆斯法官面前。

She was charged with two felony counts, one for each pill.

她被指控犯有两项重罪，每粒药罪一项。

Darvocet is a Schedule IV drug under Georgia law.

Darvocet 是佐治亚州法律规定的附表 IV 药物。

It's her first offense.

这是她第一次犯错。

She's 22.

她22岁了。

OK, quick reality check.

好的，快速现实检查。

What would she get elsewhere in the state?

她在该州其他地方会得到什么？

Again here's Parag Shah, criminal defense attorney in Atlanta.

帕拉格·沙阿 (Parag Shah) 是亚特兰大的刑事辩护律师。

And she has no record?

而且她没有记录？

Ira Glass No, no record.

艾拉·格拉斯 不，没有记录。

I would say in most courtrooms, that would be dismissed, either through an affidavit or testimony, or the mother saying that she gave it to the daughter.

我想说，在大多数法庭上，这都会被驳回，无论是通过宣誓书或证词，还是母亲说她把它给了女儿。

Worst case, he says, she'd be found guilty and then get probation, and then at the end of it have her record wiped clean.

他说，最糟糕的情况是，她会被判有罪，然后获得缓刑，最后她的记录就会被抹去。

Bruce Harvey, who does drug cases around the state, agreed.

在全州处理毒品案件的布鲁斯·哈维（Bruce Harvey）对此表示同意。

What, for having two pills?

什么，吃两粒药？

Ira Glass Yeah.

艾拉·格拉斯 是的。

Are you kidding me?

你在开玩笑吗？

I can't imagine that it would get anything but first offender probation.

我无法想象除了初犯缓刑之外还会得到什么。

Some counties, he said, might do a pre-trial diversion, send you to drug class for 16 weeks.

他说，有些县可能会进行审前转移，将你送去参加 16 周的戒毒课。

Penny Penn, the District Attorney for Forsyth County, says in her county they would consider somebody like Brandi for pre-trial diversion or for the drug court.

福赛斯县地方检察官彭妮·佩恩 (Penny Penn) 表示，在她所在的县，他们会考虑像布兰迪这样的人担任审前分流或毒品法庭的职务。

And if the person didn't go into drug court, then it would probably be a probation case.

如果这个人没有进入毒品法庭，那么这可能会是一个缓刑案件。

It's hard when you're dealing with such a small amount.

当你处理这么小的金额时，这很困难。

OK.

好的。

That's most places in Georgia.

这是乔治亚州的大部分地方。

Here's what happened in Judge Williams's courtroom.

这是威廉姆斯法官法庭上发生的事情。

After six days in jail, no bond permitted, Brandi goes before the judge.

布兰迪入狱六天后，不得保释，她接受了法官的审判。

Brandi's grandmother, Ann Harris, who raised her, came to court too.

布兰迪的祖母安·哈里斯（Ann Harris）抚养她长大，也出庭了。

She told me she knew Judge Williams before all this.

她告诉我她在这一切之前就认识威廉姆斯法官了。

She was the judge in Brandi's adoption.

她是布兰迪收养案的法官。

I always thought very highly of her at the time.

我当时一直对她评价很高。

But once they got to court, the message from everyone was the same.

但一旦他们上了法庭，每个人的信息都是一样的。

The public defender told Brandi, a drug court official told Mrs. Harris--

一名毒品法庭官员告诉哈里斯夫人，公设辩护人告诉布兰迪——

If Brandi did not go into drug court, that she would go to prison.

如果布兰迪不去毒品法庭，那她就会进监狱。

Because that was two felonies.

因为那是两项重罪。

And the drug court counselors were there.

毒品法庭的顾问也在场。

And they told me, "You're going to go to prison for one to five years if you don't do this program." I mean, that scared me.

他们告诉我，“如果你不参加这个项目，你将入狱一到五年。”我的意思是，这让我害怕。

Because first of all, I've never been in trouble.

因为首先，我从来没有遇到过麻烦。

And the thought of me going to prison--

一想到我要进监狱——

We were more or less-- we were threatened.

我们或多或少受到了威胁。

I mean, we were scared of what would happen.

我的意思是，我们害怕会发生什么。

From the bench, according to the court transcript, Judge Williams tells Brandi that her options are to go to trial, and if she's found guilty she'll get a year in detention plus four years probation.

根据法庭笔录，威廉姆斯法官在法官席上告诉布兰迪，她的选择是接受审判，如果被判有罪，她将被监禁一年，外加四年缓刑。

Judge Williams tells her that that's the minimum sentence her court gives on any drug charge.

威廉姆斯法官告诉她，这是法庭对任何毒品指控的最低刑罚。

In a detention center, Brandi asks.

在拘留中心，布兰迪问道。

Yeah, Judge Williams says.

是的，威廉姆斯法官说。

In a lock down detention.

在封锁拘留所中。

It's called a boot camp or, then the assistant district attorney jumps in, quote, "Where you pick strawberries all day.

这被称为新兵训练营，或者，然后助理地方检察官介入，引用，“你整天在那里摘草莓。

I mean, if you eat one, you'll get in trouble."

我的意思是，如果你吃了一个，你就会有麻烦。”

Elsewhere in the state, as you've heard, Brandi would get probation for this offense.

正如您所听说的，在该州的其他地方，布兰迪将因这一罪行而获得缓刑。

But Judge Williams tells Brandi that she doesn't give straight probation in her court.

但威廉姆斯法官告诉布兰迪，她不会在法庭上直接给予缓刑。

Quote, "There's no such thing as putting you on probation.

引用：“不存在让你缓刑这样的事情。

If you don't beat the rap, there's no street probation for charges in this county and hasn't been for seven years, since I've had drug court." She tells Brandi that if she doesn't choose drug court and wants to go to trial instead, it's a $15,000 bond to get out of jail.

如果你没有逃脱罪责，这个县就不会因指控而被判处街头缓刑，自从我上毒品法庭以来，已经有七年没有这样了。”她告诉布兰迪，如果她不选择毒品法庭而想接受审判，则需要缴纳 15,000 美元的保释金才能出狱。

That's the standard bond she gives everyone.

这是她给予每个人的标准纽带。

Former public defender in Glynn County told me that's high enough that most drug court defendants can't afford it.

格林县的前公设辩护人告诉我，这个费用足够高，以至于大多数毒品法庭被告都负担不起。

I think people are being coerced into going to drug court.

我认为人们是被迫去毒品法庭的。

This is attorney Mary Helen Moses, one of the team of lawyers in Glynn County trying to unseat Judge Williams.

这是律师玛丽·海伦·摩西，格林县试图推翻威廉姆斯法官的律师团队之一。

She was the candidate who ran against the judge in the fall election.

她是在秋季选举中与法官竞争的候选人。

A first time drug offense in Glynn County carries with it a $15,000 minimum bond.

格林县首次毒品犯罪的最低保释金为 15,000 美元。

That's incredibly high.

这是令人难以置信的高。

Oh, I'd say first time offenses, maybe $3,000, maybe $3,500.

哦，我想说的是，第一次犯罪，也许是 3,000 美元，也许是 3,500 美元。

But I think what ends up happening is you've got a judge saying, "OK here, you can post a $15,000 bond or you can go into drug court and be released on your own recognizance.

但我认为最终会发生的是法官说：“好吧，你可以交纳 15,000 美元的保释金，或者你可以进入毒品法庭并在自己的担保下被释放。

You can come before me in a trial on your drug charge.

你可以来我这里就你的毒品指控进行审判。

And it looks pretty bad to me, and if I find you guilty you're going to have a minimum sentence." I mean, that's an awfully hard thing, not to accept drug court under those circumstances.

在我看来这很糟糕，如果我发现你有罪，你将被判处最低刑期。”我的意思是，在这种情况下不接受毒品法庭是一件非常困难的事情。

So in Judge Williams's court, there's no probation for anybody, even first offenders.

因此，在威廉姆斯法官的法庭上，任何人都不会被缓刑，即使是初犯。

No bond before you come in front of her.

在你来到她面前之前没有任何联系。

Then a $15,000 bond after you see her.

然后在你见到她后支付 15,000 美元的保证金。

A minimum sentence of 20 to 24 months in detention for most offenses, 12 months for minor ones.

大多数犯罪行为至少可被判处 20 至 24 个月拘留，轻微犯罪则可被判处 12 个月拘留。

We couldn't find any drug court in Georgia that does anything like it to prod people into their programs.

我们在佐治亚州找不到任何毒品法庭可以做类似的事情来促使人们参与他们的项目。

Because drug court is supposed to be voluntary.

因为毒品法庭应该是自愿的。

If you push the wrong people in, you'll doom them to failure.

如果你推错了人，他们注定会失败。

And even though most drug courts create incentives to lure reluctant addicts into the programs, it's important that the defendants feel that they have a free choice to enter or not.

尽管大多数毒品法庭都会制定激励措施来吸引不情愿的瘾君子加入这些计划，但重要的是，被告认为他们可以自由选择是否加入。

I really didn't know what else to do.

我真的不知道还能做什么。

I didn't want to stay locked up.

我不想一直被关在里面。

And I felt like if I did not get into drug court, then I would be sent to prison.

我觉得如果我不进入毒品法庭，那么我就会被送进监狱。

Again, Brandi Byrd.

又是布兰迪·伯德。

Brandi Byrd And they told me that if I did not admit to using drugs and having a problem, then they would not admit me into drug court.

布兰迪·伯德 他们告诉我，如果我不承认吸毒和有问题，那么他们就不会允许我进入毒品法庭。

So basically I told them what they wanted to hear.

所以基本上我告诉他们他们想听什么。

There was a counselor from drug court that came in and gave me a test and asked me about my drug use.

毒品法庭的一名辅导员进来给我做了测试，并询问我的吸毒情况。

And of course I told them, "OK, yeah I've done this and I've done that." But once I got into drug court I explained to them, "Look I did this so I wouldn't go to prison."

当然，我告诉他们，“好吧，是的，我已经做到了这个，我已经做到了那个。”但当我进入毒品法庭后，我向他们解释说：“看，我这样做是为了不进监狱。”

As you'd expect, that didn't go down so well.

正如你所预料的那样，事情进展得并不顺利。

Take Brandi's very first counseling session, a group session with about 20 other women.

以布兰迪的第一次咨询为例，这是一次与其他大约 20 名女性的小组咨询。

You're supposed to introduce yourself, what your charges are, and what your drug of choice is.

您应该自我介绍，您的费用是什么，以及您选择的药物是什么。

I introduced myself.

我做了自我介绍。

I told them what my charges was.

我告诉他们我的罪名是什么。

I said, my drug of choice, "I smoke marijuana." I said, "But I'm charged with these pills and I'm not guilty of it.

我说，我选择的药物是“我吸大麻。”我说：“但我被指控服用这些药物，但我并没有罪。

They were my mom's.

它们是我妈妈的。

I'm not a drug addict." And they just laughed about it and said I was in denial.

我不是吸毒者。”他们只是嘲笑我并说我否认这一点。

But you could see why the would laugh.

但你可以明白为什么他们会笑。

Because everybody who comes in to a--

因为每个进来的人——

Yeah.

是的。

And I understand that.

我明白这一点。

I still didn't fit in with the people that were there.

我仍然与那里的人格格不入。

You know, the stories you hear in there of people giving their testimonies and things they've done, and how far along they were in their addiction.

你知道，你在那里听到的故事是人们提供他们的证词和他们所做的事情，以及他们沉迷其中的程度。

Shootin' up, selling their bodies for drugs, stealing from their families.

开枪射击，出卖身体换取毒品，从家人那里偷窃。

I've never stole from my family.

我从来没有偷过家人的东西。

They said that my addiction just hadn't advanced that much because I hadn't sold my body for crack or drugs.

他们说我的毒瘾没有那么严重，因为我没有为了快克或毒品而出卖自己的身体。

I've never done crack.

我从来没有做过破解。

I never did any kind of heavy drug.

我从来没有吸过任何重毒。

Which brings up another question.

这又带来了另一个问题。

Should a first time offender like Brandi-- or Lindsey for that matter-- be in a drug court program at all?

像布兰迪（或​​林赛）这样的初犯是否应该参加毒品法庭计划？

Well I mean, we certainly know that drug court works best for the most seriously addicted and most criminally involved offenders.

嗯，我的意思是，我们当然知道毒品法庭最适合最严重成瘾和犯罪最多的罪犯。

Again, West Huddleston, former drug counselor and coordinator.

再次是西哈德尔斯顿，前毒品顾问和协调员。

Now the head of the National Association of Drug Court Professionals.

现任全国毒品法庭专业人员协会主席。

When he describes the target population for drug court, note how different it sounds from Brandi, who only signed up because Judge Williams, her drug court employees, and the public defender made her feel she had no choice.

当他描述毒品法庭的目标人群时，请注意这听起来与布兰迪有多么不同，布兰迪之所以报名只是因为威廉姆斯法官、她的毒品法庭员工和公设辩护人让她觉得自己别无选择。

Those individuals that drug court works best for have long histories of addiction, have multiple treatment failures, have been on probation multiple times, have probably served previous jail or prison sentences, but all driven by their addiction.

毒品法庭最适合那些有长期成瘾史、多次治疗失败、多次缓刑、可能曾服过刑的人，但都是由成瘾所驱动的。

If that's not the population that a drug court is seeing, then they're truly not going to have as good outcomes.

如果这不是毒品法庭所审理的人群，那么他们确实不会有那么好的结果。

And he says that when people who don't have long histories of addiction and criminality are thrown into a program that is designed for people who do-- these intensive treatment programs with all their monitoring and curfews and consequences--

他说，当那些没有长期吸毒和犯罪历史的人被投入一个专为有吸毒和犯罪历史的人而设计的项目时——这些强化治疗项目及其所有的监控、宵禁和后果——

What happens is, they can become very defiant.

发生的情况是，他们会变得非常挑衅。

Because it's too punitive.

因为惩罚太重了。

It's like, if you're too punitive with your child, they will become defiant.

就像，如果你对孩子太过惩罚，他们就会变得目中无人。

I have no way to judge whether or not Brandi Byrd was truly an addict.

我无法判断布兰迪·伯德是否真的是一个瘾君子。

But she was a low-level offender and she absolutely became defiant.

但她是一个低级罪犯，她绝对变得目中无人。

She didn't obey the terms of her drug court contract.

她没有遵守毒品法庭合同的条款。

Never bought in.

从来没有买过。

Continued to drink.

继续喝。

Got picked up on a DUI.

酒后驾车被抓。

Was sent to inpatient treatment, fled it, vanished from the program for 11 months, and eventually was kicked out.

被送往住院治疗，然后逃离，从该计划中消失了 11 个月，最终被踢出。

And then, served time for the two felony counts on the two Darvocet.

然后，这两项重罪的服刑时间就落在了两位达沃塞特身上。

Which was 20 months in detention.

也就是被拘留了20个月。

She just got out this December.

她今年12月刚出来。

She still has three years of probation, including regular drug tests.

她仍有三年缓刑，包括定期进行药物测试。

She's not allowed to drink, either.

她也不许喝酒。

You know, I can admit that I made a mistake and that I violated the terms.

你知道，我可以承认我犯了错误并且违反了条款。

But that much time for two pills?

但吃两粒药需要这么多时间吗？

And I just felt like my whole life had just been snatched out from under me.

我只觉得我的整个生命都被从我身下夺走了。

It's important to note here that many people get through Judge Williams's drug court just fine.

值得注意的是，许多人都顺利通过了威廉姆斯法官的毒品法庭。

When I visited the court one day this fall, she didn't yell at anybody.

今年秋天的一天，当我去法庭时，她没有对任何人大喊大叫。

If anything, she was encouraging, like an unusually maternal high school coach.

如果说有什么不同的话，那就是她很鼓舞人心，就像一位异常母亲般的高中教练。

Wandering up to people during the break, I met a guy named Perry Burton, who's been in and out of the drug court program for four years.

课间休息时，我向人们走去，遇到了一个名叫佩里·伯顿（Perry Burton）的人，他已经进出毒品法庭项目四年了。

He told me that when he first started, quote, "I hated that lady.

他告诉我，当他第一次开始时，引用的话，“我讨厌那个女士。

I hated that lady from the bottom of my heart.

我从心底里讨厌那个女人。

But she got me off drugs.

但她让我戒掉了毒品。

She's helped me more than anyone.

她对我的帮助比任何人都多。

She's got a heart.

她有一颗心。

She's brought me close to my kids."

她让我和我的孩子们更加亲近。”

Even Judge Williams's opponents say that she's doing what she thinks is best for drug court participants.

就连威廉姆斯法官的反对者也表示，她正在做她认为对毒品法庭参与者最有利的事情。

She believes in tough love, that people need to be woken up.

她相信严厉的爱，人们需要被唤醒。

And when I spoke with Judge Williams this fall, she also made it clear that she thought her drug court was no different from any other.

当我今年秋天与威廉姆斯法官交谈时，她也明确表示，她认为她的毒品法庭与其他法庭没有什么不同。

All drug courts function just like this.

所有毒品法庭都是这样运作的。

My drug court is based on national drug courts.

我的毒品法庭是以国家毒品法庭为基础的。

All of the forms that I use come from national drug courts.

我使用的所有表格均来自国家毒品法庭。

All of the methods that we use come from national drug courts.

我们使用的所有方法均来自国家毒品法庭。

And what I do is exactly what other people in other drug courts have done for years and still continue to do.

我所做的正是其他毒品法庭的其他人多年来所做的事情，并且仍在继续做。

My best guess is that this was completely sincere.

我最好的猜测是，这是完全真诚的。

At the time she probably believed that.

当时她大概也这么认为。

When I later learned otherwise, and sent her details about how her court was different, and asked for an interview about those differences, by then she'd stopped answering my calls.

当我后来得知情况并非如此，并向她发送了有关她的法院有何不同的详细信息，并要求就这些差异进行采访时，那时她已经不再接听我的电话了。

As for her success rate, this fall the drug court's clinical director, Steven Mansfield provided me with numbers showing that the graduation rate for the Glynn Camden drug courts was 48%.

至于她的成功率，今年秋天，毒品法庭的临床主任史蒂文·曼斯菲尔德（Steven Mansfield）向我提供的数据显示，格林卡姆登毒品法庭的毕业率为 48%。

Below the national average and way lower than successful programs.

低于全国平均水平，远低于成功的项目。

Low enough, one expert said, it showed something was going wrong.

一位专家表示，足够低的水平表明出现了问题。

When I shared that information with the National Association of Drug Court Professionals and they approached Judge Williams about it, she provided them with different numbers, showing a 54% graduation rate, which isn't as good as the best programs, but it's on par with the national average.

当我与全国毒品法庭专业人士协会分享这一信息时，他们就此事联系了威廉姆斯法官，她向他们提供了不同的数字，显示毕业率为 54%，虽然不如最好的项目，但与全国平均水平相当。

There's one more case I want to share with you.

还有一个案例想跟大家分享。

And it's somebody who, unlike Brandi or Lindsey, went into drug court willingly.

与布兰迪或林赛不同，这个人自愿进入毒品法庭。

I was 19.

那年我19岁。

I was just before turning 20, and into things I shouldn't have been into.

我才刚满20岁，就开始做一些不该做的事。

In May of 2001, Charlie McCullough went with some friends to a motel room to buy drugs, in Charlie's case LSD, and they were caught in a police sting.

2001 年 5 月，查理·麦卡洛 (Charlie McCullough) 与一些朋友到一家汽车旅馆房间购买毒品，查理购买的是 LSD，结果他们被警方抓获。

He got the same treatment that you've heard about.

他得到的待遇和你听说过的一样。

He was told that he needed a $15,000 bond to get out of jail, or he could do drug court and be released right away.

他被告知，他需要 15,000 美元的保证金才能出狱，否则他可以通过毒品法庭并立即被释放。

Drug court seemed like a good deal.

毒品法庭似乎是一笔划算的交易。

I remember desperately wanting to get out of jail.

我记得当时我非常想出狱。

It seemed like a good thing.

这似乎是一件好事。

I'd get to go to this counseling.

我要去参加这个咨询。

And then-- I did want to do better, you know?

然后——我确实想做得更好，你知道吗？

And I figured if something like that, I was going to be monitored pretty much 24-7, it'd be more of an incentive to do the right thing.

我想，如果发生类似的事情，我将受到几乎每天 24 小时、7 天的监控，这将更有动力去做正确的事情。

So Charlie enters the drug program, quits drugs.

于是查理加入了戒毒计划，戒掉了毒品。

He'd been smoking pot every day, he says.

他说，他每天都吸大麻。

And he liked Judge Williams.

他喜欢威廉姆斯法官。

I'd say all in all it was a good experience.

我想说总而言之这是一次很好的经历。

And going to court, she sees this growth in you and she compliments on it.

到了法庭上，她看到了你的成长，并对此表示赞赏。

First impression, a great person.

第一印象，一个很棒的人。

A really nice lady.

一位非常好的女士。

I mean, my first two years, I was an advocate for the program.

我的意思是，在我的头两年，我是该计划的倡导者。

I was all for it.

我完全赞成。

It felt like I turned a new leaf.

感觉就像我翻开了新的一页。

And I did.

我做到了。

I changed a lot about myself.

我自己改变了很多。

I was happy the way things were going.

我对事情的进展感到很高兴。

Drug court is set up with four separate phases.

毒品法庭分为四个不同的阶段。

This Charlie's lawyer, Jim Jenkins.

这位查理的律师吉姆·詹金斯。

He's one of the few lawyers who's ever come before Judge Williams who would talk to me on tape.

他是少数几个在威廉姆斯法官面前与我进行录音交谈的律师之一。

And the reason that he did it is that he's a private attorney who does not live in Glynn County.

他这样做的原因是他是一名私人律师，不住在格林县。

Most of his practice is elsewhere.

他的大部分实践都在其他地方。

He says Charlie did great in the program.

他说查理在这个项目中表现出色。

He was in the final phase of the program.

他正处于该计划的最后阶段。

He was just three months short of graduation.

距离毕业只剩三个月了。

And he was called in for a random urine screen, which they do regularly in the program.

他被要求进行随机尿液筛查，这是他们在项目中定期进行的。

I went in there and I took the drug test.

我进去并接受了药检。

She said that it came up positive for methamphetamine.

她说，冰毒检测结果呈阳性。

She, the drug counselor, not Judge Williams.

她是毒品顾问，而不是威廉姆斯法官。

I knew I wasn't messing around.

我知道我不是在胡闹。

So I told her that wasn't right.

所以我告诉她这是不对的。

They let me take another drug test.

他们让我再次进行药检。

So she took another sample and gave him another test.

于是她又取了一份样本，又给他做了一次测试。

And we should say this was just like, 20 minutes after the first test.

我们应该说，这就像第一次测试后 20 分钟一样。

Within 20 minutes.

20分钟之内。

Exactly.

确切地。

And it came out negative.

结果呈阴性。

And I passed it.

我通过了。

I was under the impression when I left that night that, no big deal.

那天晚上我离开的时候我的印象是，没什么大不了的。

You know just like sometimes there's a false positive, just some little mistake.

你知道，就像有时会出现误报，只是一些小错误。

Right.

正确的。

Jim Jenkins And he talked with the drug counselors about this.

吉姆·詹金斯（Jim Jenkins）他与药物咨询师讨论了此事。

And they were really on his side.

他们确实站在他一边。

Because Charlie had done absolutely perfectly for 22 months in the program and never had a bad screen, had never missed a meeting.

因为查理在这个项目中的 22 个月里表现得非常完美，从来没有出现过屏幕坏的情况，也从来没有错过过一次会议。

In fact, he was such a good student that he mentored other participants.

事实上，他是一个非常好的学生，他指导了其他参与者。

And he'd actually appeared in front of the county commissioners, asking them to allocate more money for the drug court program because it was such a great program.

他实际上出现在县专员面前，要求他们为毒品法庭项目分配更多资金，因为这是一个非常棒的项目。

The next week it was a day when all the Phase Four participants were supposed to attend drug court.

接下来的一周，所有第四阶段参与者都应该出席毒品法庭。

And they say I've got to go in front of the judge for the drug test I failed.

他们说我必须去法官面前检查我未通过的药检。

And that was a big shock to me.

这对我来说是一个很大的震惊。

I told her, I didn't fail the drug test.

我告诉她，我没有通过药检。

I passed the second one.

我通过了第二关。

And she said that she was going to use the first one, that the second one didn't count.

她说她要用第一个，第二个不算。

And he tried to explain to her and it goes back and forth with that.

他试图向她解释，事情就这样反复发生。

And Charlie finally says, "Your honor, may I speak please?"

查理最后说道：“法官大人，我可以发言吗？”

Actually do you want to read what he says there?

实际上你想读一下他在那里说的话吗？

Sure.

当然。

Ira Glass It's page two of this transcript from March 11, 2003.

Ira Glass 这是 2003 年 3 月 11 日的文字记录的第二页。

Charlie says, finally says, "May I speak?" The court says, "yeah." And Charlie says, "I have no explanation for that at all.

查理最后说道：“我可以发言吗？”法庭说：“是的。”查理说：“我对此根本没有任何解释。

I don't.

我不知道。

20 minutes later I took another test.

20分钟后我又进行了一次测试。

It was tested three times.

已经测试了三次。

I passed that, OK?

我通过了，好吗？

I can't explain to you why.

我无法向你解释原因。

All I know is what I've done and what I haven't done, your honor." And her response to that is, "Well, you know, I don't believe you." Then it goes back and forth and they talk about the tests--

我只知道我做了什么和没做什么，法官大人。”她对此的回应是：“好吧，你知道，我不相信你。”然后他们来来回回地谈论测试——

Right, apparently one of the workers there named Alicia grabbed the cap for the little vial of pee from the trash--

是的，显然一位名叫艾丽西亚的工人从垃圾桶里抓起了一小瓶尿液的盖子——

Right.

对。

Ira Glass And then Judge Williams says, "Now I don't believe that in a heartbeat." And Charlie says, "Ask Alicia.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）然后威廉姆斯法官说：“现在我根本不相信这一点。”查理说：“问问艾丽西亚。

She'll tell you.

她会告诉你的。

She will not lie in court.

她不会在法庭上撒谎。

She grabbed it out of the trash can."

她从垃圾桶里抓起它。”

And then Charlie says, "I'm not going to go 22 months with clean time and then three months from my graduation to use." And Judge Williams responds, "Well people have done it."

然后查理说：“我不会用 22 个月的清洁时间，然后在毕业后再用 3 个月的时间。”威廉姆斯法官回应道：“人们已经做到了。”

Judge Williams asked Charlie to take a polygraph and Charlie says, "Sure." And then she does not give him a polygraph.

威廉姆斯法官要求查理进行测谎，查理说：“当然。”然后她没有给他测谎。

Alicia is not called as a witness to settle this question about the lid.

艾丽西亚没有被传唤作为证人来解决有关盖子的问题。

And then, Judge Williams sentences Charlie to 17 days.

然后，威廉姆斯法官判处查理 17 天监禁。

In Charlie's treatment file it explains that the 17 days is comprised of two things.

查理的治疗档案中解释说，这 17 天由两件事组成。

It was comprised of 3 days for having a bad drug test result and it was 14 days for questioning the result.

其中，药检结果不良为3天，质疑结果为14天。

Wait, wait.

等等，等等。

He got 14 days simply for saying, like, no, no, I don't think this is right.

他仅仅因为说“不，不，我认为这是不对的”而被判 14 天。

Wait, but what law was he violating there?

等等，但他在那里违反了什么法律？

Isn't that what court is for?

法庭不就是为了这个吗？

Isn't he supposed to-- isn't this the place where he's supposed to be able to say, let me tell you my side.

他不是应该——这不是他应该能够说，让我告诉你我的立场的地方吗？

Now you decide?

现在你决定了吗？

Not this court.

不是这个法庭。

Not this court.

不是这个法庭。

If you question this court you get punished for it.

如果你向法庭提出质疑，你就会受到惩罚。

And in this situation, because he questioned what was going on, he got 14 days extra in jail.

在这种情况下，因为他质疑到底发生了什么，他被额外监禁了 14 天。

In any drug court, that would be an unusually long penalty.

在任何毒品法庭上，这都将是一个异常漫长的刑罚。

17 days for a first bad drug screen.

第一次不良药物筛查需要 17 天。

But Charlie was also sent back to Phase Two of the program, which meant that he would be spending an extra year and a half in Judge Williams's drug court.

但查理也被送回该计划的第二阶段，这意味着他将在威廉姆斯法官的毒品法庭上多待一年半。

His time in drug court just suddenly jumped from two years to three and a half.

他在毒品法庭上的时间突然从两年增加到三年半。

Judge Williams freely admits that she gives harsher sentences to anybody who denies doing drugs when a drug test says they've done them.

威廉姆斯法官坦率地承认，如果任何人在药检结果显示吸毒后否认吸毒，她都会给予更严厉的刑罚。

In fact, most drug courts do that.

事实上，大多数毒品法庭都是这么做的。

But we couldn't find one drug court that would levy so harsh a penalty on a first failed screen.

但我们找不到一个毒品法庭会对第一次失败的筛查征收如此严厉的处罚。

And the question that is raises is the most uncomfortable question people raise about Judge Williams.

所提出的问题是人们对威廉姆斯法官提出的最令人不安的问题。

Is she just a hothead?

她只是一个性急的人吗？

Somebody who can't stand to be contradicted.

一个不能忍受被反驳的人。

Somebody who overreacts when argued with.

与人争论时反应过度的人。

And is that affecting her rulings?

这会影响她的裁决吗？

This came up in the fall elections.

这是在秋季选举中出现的。

Jim Jenkins says that what's clear is that any drug court judge has unusual powers, powers most judges do not have and needs to wield them fairly.

吉姆·詹金斯说，显而易见的是，任何毒品法庭法官都拥有不寻常的权力，大多数法官没有这些权力，并且需要公平地运用这些权力。

Now if somebody were unhappy with their treatment in the drug court, can they just appeal it?

现在，如果有人对毒品法庭的待遇不满意，他们可以上诉吗？

I mean usually in a court--

我的意思是通常在法庭上——

There is no provision at all for any kind of appeal, and that's one of the other real problems with the procedures of this particular drug court.

根本没有任何形式的上诉规定，这是这个特定毒品法庭程序的其他真正问题之一。

If Judge Williams sentences you to 30 days or an indeterminate sentence, there is nothing that can be done.

如果 Williams 法官判处您 30 天监禁或无限期徒刑，则无能为力。

Period.

时期。

You can't appeal to the court of appeals.

您不能向上诉法院提出上诉。

There's nobody to go to.

没有人可以去。

And is the reason why there's no right to appeal because basically I've already pled guilty to my charge and so--

这就是为什么没有权利上诉的原因，因为基本上我已经对我的指控认罪了，所以——

That basically it.

基本上就这样了。

And you're in a treatment program.

而且您正在接受治疗计划。

And these are sanctions that are supposedly designed to foster your treatment.

这些制裁据说是为了促进你的治疗而设计的。

In fact, I've seen orders that Judge Williams has issued where she instructs a 22-year-old woman to move in with her grandmother and grandfather, the people who apparently turned her in to the authorities in the first place, and, quote, "Follow any rules of their household." She ordered the same woman, Alyssa Branch, to go to a doctor and, quote, "Upon attending her medical appointment, defendant shall comply with all recommendations of Dr. Gowen.

事实上，我见过威廉姆斯法官发布的命令，她指示一名 22 岁的女性搬去和她的祖母和祖父住在一起，显然是他们首先向当局举报了她，并引用了“遵守他们的家庭规则”。她命令同一名妇女艾莉莎·布兰奇去看医生，并引用道：“在就诊后，被告应遵守高文医生的所有建议。

Should further medical procedures become necessary, defendant shall undergo said medical procedures." And on June 9, 2010, the same woman, Alyssa Branch, is ordered to inpatient treatment for a year at a place called Bridges of Hope with, quote, "No outside visitation passes, no visitation to the facility from any outside persons, and no contact with any outside persons." If this woman wished to contest any of these judge's orders, Jim Jenkins believes, she has no recourse.

如果需要进一步的医疗程序，被告应接受上述医疗程序。” 2010 年 6 月 9 日，同一名妇女艾莉莎·布兰奇 (Alyssa Branch) 被勒令在一个名为“希望之桥”的地方接受为期一年的住院治疗，并附有“禁止外来探视通行证，禁止任何外来人员探访该设施，也不得与任何外来人员接触”的规定。吉姆·詹金斯相信，如果这位女士想要对法官的任何命令提出异议，她就没有追索权。

Here's something else.

这是别的东西。

When you enter Judge Williams's drug court she requires you to sign a piece of paper saying that no matter what happens, you won't go to any other judge but her.

当你进入威廉姆斯法官的毒品法庭时，她要求你签署一张纸，表示无论发生什么，除了她之外，你不会去找任何其他法官。

You won't recuse her.

你不会拒绝她的。

This also goes against the guidelines of the National Association of Drug Court Professionals.

这也违反了全国毒品法庭专业人员协会的指导方针。

I know I'm saying that a lot this hour.

我知道这个小时我说了很多次。

If a person is in danger of being terminated from drug court, and that person wants another judge to take the case at that point, they're supposed to get it.

如果一个人有被毒品法庭解雇的危险，并且那个人希望另一位法官在此时接手此案，那么他们应该得到它。

Because at that point, the thinking is, the drug court judge knows too much personal information about the client to be an unbiased and impartial judge.

因为在这一点上，人们的想法是，毒品法庭法官了解太多有关当事人的个人信息，无法成为公正和公正的法官。

And so in cases like Brandi Byrd's, when she was terminated from drug court, another judge might have looked at the facts, the two pills, all that, and waived some of the 20 to 24 month sentence that Brandi agreed to as a condition of entering drug court.

因此，在像布兰迪·伯德这样的案件中，当她被毒品法庭终止时，另一位法官可能会考虑事实、两颗药丸等等，并免除布兰迪同意作为进入毒品法庭的条件的 20 至 24 个月刑期的一部分。

Brandi's lawyer tried to get Judge Williams to at least give Brandi credit for the four and a half months she served in jail waiting for her termination hearing.

布兰迪的律师试图让威廉姆斯法官至少承认布兰迪在监狱里等待终止听证会的四个半月的时间。

Sometimes Judge Williams chooses to do that.

有时威廉姆斯法官会选择这样做。

Here she doesn't even consider the possibility.

在这里，她甚至没有考虑这种可能性。

In the court transcript Brandi's attorney says, "Can she get credit for time--" He doesn't even finish the sentence.

在法庭笔录中，布兰迪的律师说，“她能因为时间而获得荣誉吗——”他甚至没有把这句话说完。

He doesn't even say the word served.

他甚至没有说出送达这个词。

The judge says, "No sir.

法官说：“不，先生。

She does not.

她没有。

Let's go to the next case."

我们来看下一个案例。”

In Charlie's case, being told that he'd now be spending three and a half years in the program instead of just two, when he was so close to finishing and he'd never missed a meeting or failed a previous drug screen, it had exactly the result that research studies show is the problem with an overly punitive approach.

就查理的情况而言，当他被告知他现在将在该项目中度过三年半的时间，而不是两年，当他如此接近完成时，他从未错过过一次会议或未通过之前的药物筛查，这正是研究表明的结果，这是过度惩罚性方法的问题。

It made him rebel.

这让他变得叛逆。

It made him give up.

这让他放弃了。

The harshness of Judge Williams's sentence took a model participant and turned him into a failure.

威廉姆斯法官的严厉判决使一位模范参与者变成了失败者。

Once that day came it was a big-- it was like a big slap in the face.

当那一天到来时，它就像是一个很大的耳光。

Everything I had pretty much put my trust into, kind of turned its back on me.

我几乎信任的一切，都背弃了我。

I sat here and I dedicated 22 months of my life to changing it.

我坐在这里，用了 22 个月的时间来改变它。

And I felt like everything I had done was for nothing.

而且我觉得我所做的一切都是徒劳的。

And then December that year, you get screened positive for marijuana.

然后那年 12 月，你的大麻筛查结果呈阳性。

Yeah.

是的。

You know, yeah.

你知道，是的。

I'd smoked some pot.

我抽了一些大麻。

By that time I was over it.

到那时我已经结束了。

I didn't really care.

我真的不在乎。

I was just disappointed, extremely disappointed.

我只是很失望，非常失望。

A month later he missed his first group meeting and a warrant was issued for his arrest.

一个月后，他错过了第一次小组会议，并对他发出了逮捕令。

It took him four years to get out of the program.

他花了四年时间才退出该计划。

He's clean now and doing great.

他现在很干净并且表现得很好。

He has a wife and two kids, lives in Virginia, builds bridges for a living.

他有一个妻子和两个孩子，住在弗吉尼亚州，以建造桥梁为生。

As for the other two, Brandi's still adjusting after two years in detention.

至于另外两人，布兰迪在被拘留两年后仍在适应中。

Working in a restaurant, trying to earn some money, get her life together.

在一家餐馆打工，努力挣点钱，过上美好的生活。

Lindsey gets out of detention this May.

林赛今年五月出狱。

And she'll finally be through with the drug court program, though she has four and a half years of probation still.

尽管她还有四年半的缓刑，但她最终将完成毒品法庭的计划。

She's planning to do it up in South Carolina near her mom.

她计划在南卡罗来纳州靠近她妈妈的地方做这件事。

She has a job lined up and a fiancee, and they're going to try to have a baby.

她已经找到了一份工作，还有一个未婚妻，他们正打算生个孩子。

The first time in years she has something she's looking forward to.

多年来，她第一次有了自己期待的东西。

Her one fear is that Judge Williams will hear that she talked to me for the radio and do something punitive, like tell her to do her probation back home in Glynn County.

她担心威廉姆斯法官会听到她在广播中与我交谈，并采取一些惩罚措施，比如告诉她回到格林县的家中缓刑。

In Glynn County, she says, so many people she used to do drugs with are still there.

她说，在格林县，有很多曾经和她一起吸毒的人仍然在那里。

It's always been harder for her to stay clean.

对她来说，保持干净总是很困难。

If the judge were to force her to stay there, she'd be setting her up for failure.

如果法官强迫她留在那里，她就会失败。

In his inaugural address this January, Georgia's new governor Nathan Deal made a big point of calling for more drug courts as a way to reduce the number of people behind bars and save money.

佐治亚州新任州长内森·迪尔在今年一月的就职演说中强调，呼吁设立更多毒品法庭，以减少入狱人数并节省资金。

His son, Superior Court Judge Jason Deal, runs the drug court in Hall County.

他的儿子，高等法院法官杰森·迪尔（Jason Deal）负责管理霍尔县的毒品法庭。

Drug Courts have become one of those nonpartisan solutions that everybody, from the Republican governor of Georgia to the Democratic President of the United States, says they love.

毒品法庭已成为无党派解决方案之一，从乔治亚州共和党州长到美国民主党总统，每个人都表示喜欢。

But as drug courts expand into more places and become more of a standard part of the criminal justice system, it's possible that they're changing.

但随着毒品法庭扩展到更多地方并成为刑事司法系统的标准组成部分，它们可能正在发生变化。

One of leading researchers on drug courts, Steven Belenko-- he's been doing studies on them for 20 years; he's a professor of criminal justice at Temple University-- told me there no studies on this yet, But anecdotally he's noticing drug courts are becoming more punitive and more controlling.

Steven Belenko 是毒品法庭的主要研究人员之一，他对毒品法庭进行了 20 年的研究；他是坦普尔大学的刑事司法教授，告诉我目前还没有这方面的研究，但有传闻说，他注意到毒品法庭正在变得更具惩罚性和更强的控制力。

Over time what's happened, drug courts have become routinized.

随着时间的推移，毒品法庭已经变得司空见惯。

So you see judges who are just kind of rotated into drug courts.

所以你会看到法官被轮换到毒品法庭。

And I've certainly talked to and heard about judges who were put into drug court who really have no interest or knowledge about addiction, addiction treatment.

我当然也曾与那些被送进毒品法庭的法官交谈过，也听说过他们对成瘾、成瘾治疗确实没有兴趣或了解。

Not to criticize them at all.

根本不是批评他们。

They're just not trained or invested in this model.

他们只是没有接受过这种模式的培训或投资。

So I think they take with them kind of the more typical judicial responses of, if you violate a judicial order you're going to be punished.

所以我认为他们采取了更典型的司法回应，如果你违反司法命令，你就会受到惩罚。

According to the National Association of Drug Court Professionals, about 150 of the nation's drug courts do not apply the principles of the drug court model correctly and are not having good outcomes as a result.

据全国毒品法庭专业人士协会称，全国大约 150 个毒品法庭没有正确运用毒品法庭模式的原则，因此没有取得良好的结果。

[MUSIC - "CARE OF CELL 44" BY THE ZOMBIES]

[音乐 - 僵尸的“CARE OF CELL 44”]

Eric Mennel helped me with the reporting for today's program.

埃里克·门内尔帮助我报道了今天的节目。

[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Special thanks to Nancy Updike for taking over as host for the radio show while I finished the reporting for today's program, and to our show's senior producer, Julie Snyder, for running the show so beautifully when I was gone.

[致谢] 特别感谢南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike) 在我完成今天节目的报道期间接任广播节目主持人，并感谢我们节目的高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德 (Julie Snyder) 在我离开时将节目主持得如此出色。

Our other producers, Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Jane Feltes, Sarah Koenig, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semian, and Alissa Schiff.

我们的其他制作人包括 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Jane Feltes、Sarah Koenig、Jonathan Menjivar、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semian 和 Alissa Schiff。

Seth Lind is our production manager.

塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的生产经理。

Emily Condon's our office manager.

艾米丽·康登是我们的办公室经理。

Jen Berman's filling in as our West Coast producer.

珍·伯曼 (Jen Berman) 担任我们的西海岸制片人。

This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.

《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。

WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia.

我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的项目进行 WBEZ 管理监督。

You know, before he got a job in radio, he had a show that he did for his own family, transmitted only in their house, which isn't hard.

你知道，在他找到电台工作之前，他为自己的家人做了一个节目，只在他们家里转播，这并不难。

You just stand up on the toilet or the sink and get to the air vent and talk through it, and they can hear you.

您只需站在马桶或水槽上，走到通风口并通过它说话，他们就能听到您的声音。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。