428: Oh You Shouldn't Have - This American Life
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Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print.
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Prologue Ira Glass Hi, it's Ira Glass.
序言 Ira Glass 嗨，我是 Ira Glass。
Leave a message.
留言。
Hey Ira.
嘿艾拉。
It's Nancy.
是南希。
I'm calling you from the studio and I'm going to hang up and try you back.
我从工作室给你打电话，我会挂断电话再给你回电。
Bye.
再见。
[PHONE RINGING]
[电话铃声]
Hello, Nancy Updike.
你好，南希·厄普代克。
Nancy Updike Hello.
南希·厄普代克 你好。
I did.
我做到了。
Ira Glass So how may I serve you?
Ira Glass 那么我能为您提供什么服务呢？
Well, let me first explain to listeners what's going on, which is that you, Ira, have found this great story.
好吧，让我首先向听众解释一下发生了什么，那就是你，艾拉，发现了这个伟大的故事。
You need to spend a couple of weeks reporting it.
您需要花几周的时间来报告它。
And you asked me to guest host the show.
你还邀请我客串主持这个节目。
It's only the second time since we started the show in 1995 that we've had a guest host.
自 1995 年开播以来，这只是我们第二次邀请客座主持人。
But we thought it would be a lot nicer than having two weeks of reruns.
但我们认为这比重播两周要好得多。
So--
所以——
Here we are.
我们到了。
Nancy Updike Right.
南希·厄普代克 对。
So any last dos and don'ts?
那么最后还有什么该做和不该做的事情吗？
No. Let me say, first of all, I just want to acknowledge you're in kind of a tough position.
不。首先，我只想承认你的处境有点艰难。
I think in any show on radio or television since the media began, when the host goes away, we all want what we're used to.
我认为，自从媒体出现以来，在广播或电视上的任何节目中，当主持人离开时，我们都想要我们习惯的东西。
Nobody wants change.
没有人想要改变。
Nobody wants the guest host.
没有人想要客座主持人。
That is a terrible pep talk, Ira.
这是一个可怕的鼓舞人心的讲话，艾拉。
Was that even supposed to be a pep talk?
这甚至应该是一种鼓舞士气的话吗？
I acknowledge it is kind of the anti-pep talk.
我承认这是一种反鼓舞的言论。
But you are going to be great.
但你会变得很棒。
You'll be great.
你会很棒的。
Don't think about that part.
别想那部分。
The only thing that you actually have to know, Nance, is that there are certain things that must be said at certain moments in the show under our contracts with WBEZ Chicago and with PRI.
Nance，你真正需要知道的唯一一件事是，根据我们与 WBEZ 芝加哥和 PRI 的合同，在节目的某些时刻必须说某些事情。
Three times in the show, you have to say their names.
在节目中，你必须说出三次他们的名字。
And going into the break in the middle of the show, you also have to say, "when our program continues." Because the phrase "when our program continues" is the one that local stations are listening for.
在节目中场休息时，你还必须说：“当我们的节目继续进行时。”因为“当我们的节目继续进行时”这句话是当地电台正在收听的。
And when they hear that phrase, then they play their local promos.
当他们听到这句话时，就会播放当地的宣传片。
And just out of curiosity, if I didn't do any of those things, any one of those things, what would happen?
出于好奇，如果我不做这些事情中的任何一件事，其中任何一件事，会发生什么？
Just curious.
只是好奇。
You know, truthfully I don't own know, Nancy.
你知道，说实话我不知道，南希。
But I honestly don't want to find out.
但老实说我不想知道。
I'm giving you the keys to the car, and I want you to just obey a few simple rules, and everybody's going to get home safely.
我给你车钥匙，我希望你只遵守一些简单的规则，每个人都会安全回家。
OK.
好的。
So do you have the contractual language in front of you that I left for you to read now and kick off the show?
那么，您面前有我留给您阅读并开始演出的合同语言吗？
Do you have it there?
你那里有吗？
Yeah, I got it.
是的，我明白了。
Ira Glass All right, so let's kick it off.
Ira Glass：好吧，让我们开始吧。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's still This American Life distributed by Public Radio International.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的节目仍然是由国际公共广播电台发行的《This American Life》。
I'm Nancy Updike.
我是南希·厄普代克。
That's great.
那太棒了。
Nancy Updike See you in two weeks.
南希·厄普代克 两周后见。
OK, have fun.
好的，玩得开心。
Nancy Updike I want to tell you that there wasn't some long, behind the scenes build up to this guest hosting gig.
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）我想告诉你，这次客座主持演出并没有经过漫长的幕后准备。
I found out about it not that long before you did.
我在你之前不久就发现了这件事。
And I'm excited to be doing it.
我很高兴能这么做。
The stories this week are great.
这周的故事很棒。
But really what I feel is mixed.
但实际上我的感受是复杂的。
It's a little nerve wracking.
有点让人伤脑筋。
I feel like I got handed one of those gifts that when you tear off the wrapping paper and see what's inside, you say, "oh, you shouldn't have." And part of you means it.
我觉得我收到了一份礼物，当你撕下包装纸并看到里面的东西时，你会说：“哦，你不应该收到。”你的一部分就是这个意思。
But what are you going to do?
但你要做什么？
A lot of gifts are complicated, if not flat out bad.
很多礼物即使不是很糟糕，也很复杂。
I'm picturing-- and you can picture your own pile-- misguided sweaters, noise makers for children, lingerie for coworkers, et cetera, anything creepy.
我正在想象——你也可以想象你自己的一堆——被误导的毛衣、儿童的噪音制造器、同事的内衣等等，任何令人毛骨悚然的东西。
Some gifts, good gifts, say I thought of you.
一些礼物，好礼物，说我想你了。
But plenty of others say, I thought I was thinking of you, but really I was thinking of me.
但很多人说，我以为我在想你，但实际上我在想我自己。
Today on This American Life we will be rummaging deep into the oh, you shouldn't have gift pile to see just how fraught it all is.
今天，在《美国生活》节目中，我们将深入探讨“哦，你不应该有一堆礼物”来看看这一切有多么令人担忧。
The giving, the receiving.
给予，接受。
Four stories.
四个故事。
I'm going to call them stories, not acts today-- see how that feels.
今天我将称它们为故事，而不是行为——看看感觉如何。
Four stories, four gifts.
四个故事，四份礼物。
First, a story about a gift that was given out every week in front of 40 million people.
首先是一个关于每周在 4000 万人面前赠送礼物的故事。
Next, a cautionary tale about how anything you give may be used against you, sometimes in a court of law.
接下来，是一个关于您所提供的任何东西如何可能被用来对付您的警示故事，有时是在法庭上。
And what to do if a certain women in Minnesota offers you an orange.
如果明尼苏达州的某些女性给你一个橙子该怎么办？
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
OK, our first story is from Allison Silverman.
好的，我们的第一个故事来自艾莉森·西尔弗曼。
You probably know her work.
你可能知道她的工作。
She's written for The Colbert Report , The Daily Show , Late Night with Conan O'Brien , and other famous funny TV shows.
她为《科尔伯特报道》、《每日秀》、《柯南·奥布莱恩深夜秀》和其他著名的搞笑电视节目撰稿。
She also knows a lot about TV, not just shows that are on now, but also older shows-- That Was the Week That Was , Saturday Color Carnival , The Jack Paar Show .
她还了解很多关于电视的知识，不仅是现在正在播出的节目，还包括以前的节目——《那是那一周》、《周六色彩嘉年华》、《杰克帕尔秀》。
One of the older shows she's been watching lately was built around the idea of giving people what was supposed to be the gift of a lifetime.
她最近观看的一档老节目的理念是给人们一份本应是一生难忘的礼物。
Allison had heard of the show, but once she started watching it, she was very, very surprised by what she saw.
艾莉森听说过这个节目，但当她开始观看时，她对所看到的感到非常非常惊讶。
Here's Allison.
这是艾莉森。
What if someone, without your knowledge, was researching your life, organizing it, throwing out the boring bits, playing up the dramatic bits, fitting it all into a classic narrative?
如果有人在你不知情的情况下研究你的生活，整理你的生活，扔掉无聊的部分，渲染戏剧性的部分，将其全部融入经典叙事中，该怎么办？
And one day he surprised you by putting you on live television and sharing your personal, streamlined story with, say, 40 million Americans.
有一天，他让你上了电视直播，并与 4000 万美国人分享你个人的、精简的故事，这让你大吃一惊。
It happened to hundreds of people in the 1950s on a show that ran on NBC.
20 世纪 50 年代，美国全国广播公司 (NBC) 的一档节目中发生了数百人的遭遇。
This Is Your Life , America's most talk about program.
这是你的生活，美国最受关注的节目。
There's not much talk about This Is Your Life today.
今天没有太多谈论“这就是你的生活”。
If you don't know the show, here's how it worked.
如果您不了解该节目，请参阅以下内容。
Every week an unsuspecting guest, often a big name celebrity, would be lured to LA's El Capitan Theater under false pretenses.
每周都会有一位毫无戒心的客人（通常是大牌名人）以虚假借口被引诱到洛杉矶的埃尔卡皮坦剧院。
I've all you other panel members, but until this moment I haven't had the pleasure of meeting you and saying to you, Dick Clark-- Hi, Dick.
我有所有其他小组成员，但直到这一刻我还没有高兴地见到你并向你说，迪克·克拉克——嗨，迪克。
Musical star-maker, America's number one disk jockey.
音乐巨星、美国第一唱片骑师。
Tonight, Dick, This Is Your Life .
今晚，迪克，这就是你的生活。
Ralph Edwards was the host of This Is Your Life .
拉尔夫·爱德华兹是《这就是你的生活》的主持人。
At the beginning of every episode, he shows the stunned guest a leather-bound book with their name and the words "This Is Your Life" on it.
在每一集的开头，他都会向目瞪口呆的客人展示一本皮革装订的书，上面写着他们的名字和“这就是你的生活”。
Then he treats them to a half-hour retrospective and then reunites them with influential figures from their past.
然后他请他们进行半小时的回顾，然后让他们与过去有影响力的人物重聚。
Edwards was a radio announcer who made it big when he came up with the game show Truth or Consequences .
爱德华兹是一位广播播音员，他因制作游戏节目《真相或后果》而名声大噪。
He also taught Sunday school.
他还教主日学。
The combination made him the perfect host for a show designed to be inspirational entertainment.
这种结合使他成为励志娱乐节目的完美主持人。
After giving Dick Clark his first glimpse of the book, Edwards holds it up and reads from it.
在让迪克·克拉克第一次看到这本书后，爱德华兹举起它并读了起来。
Every now and then interrupted by an off-stage voice like this one.
时不时地就会被台下这样的声音打断。
The voice of your pal since childhood, today an attorney for the Securities and Exchange Commission of New York City.
这是你从小的朋友的声音，如今他是纽约市证券交易委员会的律师。
Here from his home in Mount Vernon, New York is Andy Grass.
安迪·格拉斯 (Andy Grass) 在纽约弗农山的家中发声。
Hello, Andy.
你好，安迪。
Allison Silverman There's an archway stage right with a curtain.
艾莉森·西尔弗曼（Allison Silverman） 右边有一个带有幕布的拱门舞台。
And through it come old friends and family.
老朋友和家人也通过它而来。
Each one talks about Dick Clark, shares a memory, and a hug.
每个人都谈论迪克·克拉克、分享一段回忆和一个拥抱。
Well that was a 15 year old sedan, Ralph, that Dick and I used to have, drive around town, and pick up records for his record collection.
嗯，那是一辆 15 岁的拉尔夫轿车，迪克和我曾经开过它，在城里开着，为他的唱片收藏挑选唱片。
It turns out Dick's childhood in Mount Vernon, New York was bright and full of mischief.
事实证明，迪克在纽约弗农山的童年是阳光明媚、充满恶作剧的。
But there was adversity ahead.
但前方还有逆境。
Dick had to drive from Syracuse University to State Teachers College in Salisbury, Maryland in the middle of winter in a convertible with no heater.
隆冬时节，迪克不得不驾驶一辆没有加热器的敞篷车从雪城大学前往马里兰州索尔兹伯里的州立师范学院。
Still, he persevered and eventually beat the odds, marrying his high school sweetheart, landing a gig hosting American Bandstand , and blossoming into the person we know today.
尽管如此，他还是坚持了下来，最终克服了困难，与高中时的恋人结婚，在美国音乐台上主持了一场演出，并成长为我们今天所认识的人。
Promise, struggle, triumph.
承诺、奋斗、胜利。
That's pretty much how all the episodes go.
几乎所有的情节都是这样进行的。
But watch enough of This is Your Life and you start to wonder.
但看够了《这就是你的生活》，你就会开始怀疑。
Putting people's past on display without warning, is it such a good idea?
毫无征兆地把人们的过去展示出来，这是一个好主意吗？
Because clearly some struggles are more struggly than others.
因为显然有些斗争比其他斗争更加艰难。
Oh, no. Allison Silverman Oh, disturbingly, yes.
哦，不。艾莉森·西尔弗曼 哦，令人不安的是，是的。
In May 1953, Ralph Edwards surprise Hanna Bloch Kohner, whose apparent dismay at having her life story told could have something to do with the fact that a lot of her life was a staggering nightmare.
1953 年 5 月，拉尔夫·爱德华兹 (Ralph Edwards) 让汉娜·布洛赫·科纳 (Hanna Bloch Kohner) 感到惊讶，汉娜·布洛赫·科纳 (Hanna Bloch Kohner) 在听到自己的人生故事时表现出明显的沮丧，这可能与她一生的大部分时间都是一场令人震惊的噩梦有关。
May I say, Mrs. Kohner, that looking at you, it's hard to believe that during seven short years of a still-short life you lived a lifetime of fear, terror, and tragedy.
我可以说，科纳夫人，看着您，很难相信在短暂的一生中，您度过了一生的恐惧、恐惧和悲剧。
You look like a young American girl just out of college, not at all like a survivor of Hitler's cruel purge of German Jews.
你看起来就像一个刚从大学毕业的年轻美国女孩，一点也不像希特勒残酷清洗德国犹太人的幸存者。
Hanna Bloch Kohner is a Holocaust survivor, although the word Holocaust wouldn't be used to commonly describe it for another eight years.
汉娜·布洛赫·科纳 (Hanna Bloch Kohner) 是一名大屠杀幸存者，尽管大屠杀这个词在接下来的八年里都不会被普遍用来描述它。
And Ralph Edwards is right, Hanna is gorgeous and poised.
拉尔夫·爱德华兹是对的，汉娜美丽而泰然自若。
For her episode, the This Is Your Life format is the same as ever.
对于她的剧集，“这就是你的生活”格式与以往相同。
Like Dick Clark, she's supposed to remember something.
就像迪克·克拉克一样，她应该记住一些事情。
Only it's not the Green Hornet.
只是它不是青蜂侠。
You and your husband are seized and shipped off to the concentration camp at Westerbork near the German border.
你和你的丈夫被抓获并运往德国边境附近韦斯特博克的集中营。
That's where I first met Hanna.
那是我第一次见到汉娜的地方。
We spent about eight months in that camp and though it was very tough, it didn't compare with the camps that followed.
我们在那个营地待了大约八个月，虽然非常艰难，但与随后的营地相比还是无法比较。
Do you recognize that voice, Hanna?
你认得那个声音吗，汉娜？
It belongs to a girl who was your friend and companion in four concentration camps.
它属于一个女孩，她是你在四个集中营中的朋友和同伴。
Eva Herzberg, now Mrs. Warner Florsheim.
伊娃·赫茨伯格，现为华纳·弗洛舍姆夫人。
[APPLAUSE] Ralph Edwards Were you and Hanna moved from that first camp together, Eva?
[掌声]拉尔夫·爱德华兹（Ralph Edwards），伊娃，你和汉娜是一起离开第一个营地的吗？
Yes, together with a lot of others.
是的，和很多其他人一起。
We were packed into cattle cars and shipped off to Theresienstadt in Czechoslovakia.
我们被装进运牛车，运往捷克斯洛伐克的特莱西恩施塔特。
Then we were sent off to the extermination camp at Auschwitz in Poland.
然后我们被送往波兰奥斯维辛集中营。
You were each given a cake of soap and a towel, weren't you, Hanna?
你们每人都得到了一块肥皂和一条毛巾，不是吗，汉娜？
I don't remember the soap.
我不记得肥皂了。
Ralph Edwards Well, you were sent to the so-called showers.
拉尔夫·爱德华兹：嗯，你被送到了所谓的淋浴间。
And even this was a doubtful procedure because some showers had regular water, others have liquid gas.
即使这是一个值得怀疑的程序，因为有些淋浴器有普通水，其他淋浴器有液化气。
And you never knew which one you were being sent to.
而且你永远不知道你会被送到哪一个。
You and Eva were fortunate, others were not so fortunate, including your father and mother and your husband, Carl Benjamin.
你和伊娃很幸运，其他人就没那么幸运了，包括你的父母和你的丈夫卡尔·本杰明。
They all lost their lives at Auschwitz.
他们都在奥斯威辛集中营丧生。
Now if I was surprising someone and sharing the murder of her parents and husband on national television, I would do it differently.
现在，如果我让某人感到惊讶，并在国家电视台上分享她父母和丈夫被谋杀的消息，我会采取不同的做法。
I wouldn't do it.
我不会这么做。
But somehow, in some way, Hanna's half-hour goes by without a hitch.
但不知何故，以某种方式，汉娜的半个小时毫无阻碍地过去了。
She's reunited with her brother who she hasn't seen in 10 years.
她与十年未见的哥哥重逢。
This is my happiest day in all of my life.
这是我一生中最快乐的一天。
As the show's winding down, it takes a left turn.
当演出结束时，它需要左转。
After all the excruciating details of Hanna's life in Czechoslovakia, the Netherlands, Germany, and Poland, Edwards sums up her story this way.
在了解了汉娜在捷克斯洛伐克、荷兰、德国和波兰生活的所有令人痛苦的细节后，爱德华兹这样总结了她的故事。
This is your life, Hanna Bloch Kohner.
这就是你的生活，汉娜·布洛赫·科纳。
To you in your darkest hour, America held out a friendly hand.
在你最黑暗的时刻，美国向你伸出了友好的手。
Your gratitude is reflected in your unwavering devotion and loyalty to the land of your adoption.
您的感激之情体现在您对您所收养的土地坚定不移的奉献和忠诚中。
It seems out of nowhere at first.
乍一看似乎是凭空而来。
But this is May 1953.
但这是 1953 年 5 月。
It's less than a month before the execution of the Rosenbergs.
距离罗森伯格夫妇被处决还有不到一个月的时间。
Calling anyone a patriot in front of 40 million Americans is nice.
在 4000 万美国人面前称任何人为爱国者都很好。
Calling a Jewish immigrant from Czechoslovakia, a communist country, a patriot is more than nice.
将来自共产主义国家捷克斯洛伐克的犹太移民称为爱国者是再好不过的了。
It's one of the best presents she can get.
这是她能得到的最好的礼物之一。
And Edwards gives Hanna other presents too, the kind you can bring home.
爱德华兹还送给汉娜其他礼物，就是那种你可以带回家的礼物。
Oh yes, so that you and Walter can relive this memorable night again and again, Hazel Bishop is presenting you with a 16 millimeter sound film of this program, you see, together with a 16 millimeter sound projector.
哦，是的，为了让您和 Walter 能够一次又一次地重温这个难忘的夜晚，Hazel Bishop 向您展示了这个节目的 16 毫米有声电影，您看，还有 16 毫米声音投影仪。
Now, as a lasting memento of your appearance here, Marshall Jewelers, 5th Avenue at 56th Street, New York City, have designed for you this lovely 14 karat gold charm bracelet.
现在，作为您在此亮相的永久纪念，位于纽约市第 5 大道第 56 街的 Marshall Jewelers 为您设计了这款可爱的 14 克拉金吊饰手链。
Now, each charm represents an important event in your life.
现在，每个饰物都代表您生活中的重要事件。
Can't be easy to design a Holocaust charm bracelet.
设计大屠杀吊饰手链并不容易。
To their credit, Marshall Jewelers played it safe, with a 14 karat map of Czechoslovakia, a mountain house, a Jeep, a sergeant's hat, a suitcase, a star of David, the Statue of Liberty, the flags of Luxembourg, where Hanna was married, and the United States.
值得赞扬的是，Marshall Jewelers 采取了谨慎的做法，带了一张 14 克拉的捷克斯洛伐克地图、一座山屋、一辆吉普车、一顶军士帽、一个手提箱、一颗大卫之星、自由女神像、汉娜结婚所在地卢森堡的国旗和美国国旗。
It was actually nice.
其实很好。
It's the kind of Holocaust charm bracelet you pass down to your kids.
这是您传给孩子的那种大屠杀魅力手链。
There's something undeniably strange about all of this.
不可否认，这一切都有一些奇怪的地方。
The overworked language, the wholesome, all-American spirit forced into a foreigner's tragedy, the game show tactics, a Holocaust survivor asked to guess who's next to come through the curtain.
过度劳累的语言，健康的、全美国的精神强加在外国人的悲剧中，游戏表演战术，大屠杀幸存者要求猜猜下一个出现在幕布中的是谁。
But Ralph Edwards was trying to do good.
但拉尔夫·爱德华兹正在努力做好事。
His model for the show was love thy neighbor.
他的节目模特是爱你的邻居。
And though Hanna Kohner's episode was, well, blunt, it was the first national television show to have a Holocaust survivor tell her story.
尽管汉娜·科纳的剧集很直率，但这是第一个由大屠杀幸存者讲述她的故事的全国电视节目。
There were just no rules for how you do it.
只是没有关于如何做的规则。
The show was huge.
演出规模宏大。
One in four Americans watched This Is Your Life every week.
四分之一的美国人每周都会观看《这就是你的生活》。
And Edwards used the attention to help people.
爱德华兹利用这种关注来帮助人们。
When Hanna's episode aired, This Is Your Life donated to United Jewish Appeal and set up a fund for viewers to donate to.
当汉娜的剧集播出时，《这就是你的生活》向联合犹太人呼吁组织捐款，并设立了一个基金供观众捐款。
Of course, the show didn't tackle epic tragedy just once.
当然，这部剧不仅仅解决了一次史诗般的悲剧。
They went even bigger two years later.
两年后，他们的规模变得更大。
In 1955, This Is Your Life surprised Kiyoshi Tanimoto, a Methodist minister from Japan who was in the States on a humanitarian mission.
1955 年，《这就是你的生活》让当时正在美国执行人道主义任务的日本卫理公会牧师谷本清 (Kiyoshi Tanimoto) 感到惊讶。
He had been flown from New York to LA and brought to the El Capitan Theater for what he thought would be a straightforward interview about his work.
他从纽约飞往洛杉矶，并被带到埃尔卡皮坦剧院，他认为这将是一次关于他的作品的直截了当的采访。
You though, of course, you were going to be interviewed as a part of the work you're now doing, didn't you?
当然，您认为作为您现在所做工作的一部分，您将接受采访，不是吗？
What is that work, sir, that you are doing right now at the present moment?
先生，您现在正在做的工作是什么？
Well, I brought a group of girls who have terrible disfigurement on event of atomic explosion in Hiroshima.
嗯，我带了一群在广岛原子弹爆炸事件中遭受严重毁容的女孩。
And you have accompanied these girls over?
你也陪这些女孩过来了？
Yes.
是的。
And we are hoping to have plastic surgery for them.
我们希望为他们进行整形手术。
Tanimoto was a survivor of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, and he had brought 25 young women disfigured by the bombing to the US.
谷本是广岛原子弹爆炸的幸存者，他将 25 名因原子弹爆炸而毁容的年轻女性带到了美国。
They were called the Hiroshima Maidens, and they were scheduled to have reconstructive surgery at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City.
她们被称为“广岛少女”，她们计划在纽约市西奈山医院接受重建手术。
Tanimoto had come up with the idea.
谷本想出了这个主意。
He had two of the Maidens with him at the theater.
他在剧院里带着两个少女。
He was trying to raise money.
他正在努力筹集资金。
Now Reverend Tanimoto, are you ready to turn the pages in this book and share with us your experiences?
现在谷本牧师，您准备好翻过这本书并与我们分享您的经历了吗？
All right, then, August 6, 1945, Hiroshima, Japan.
好吧，那么，1945 年 8 月 6 日，日本广岛。
This is the first time I've heard the words Hiroshima, Japan and expected them to be followed with "Come on down."
这是我第一次听到日本广岛这个词，并希望后面会跟着“下来”。
Edwards wastes no time.
爱德华兹没有浪费时间。
He starts with the day a nuclear bomb on Tanimoto's city.
他从谷本市遭到核弹袭击的那一天开始。
As for Tanimoto, he sits on the couch next to Edwards, confused by what the leather-bound book has to do with any of this.
至于谷本，他坐在爱德华兹旁边的沙发上，对这本皮革封面的书与这一切有何关系感到困惑。
As Edwards opens it, Tanimoto looks down at the book, then up at Edwards.
当爱德华兹打开它时，谷本低头看着书，然后抬头看着爱德华兹。
Then back to the book, and back to Edward again.
然后回到书本，再回到爱德华。
But in fact, in this episode, the book plays second fiddle to a lot of actual fiddles and horns and various sound effects.
但事实上，在这一集中，这本书在许多实际的小提琴、喇叭和各种音效之后扮演了第二小提琴的角色。
[DRAMATIC MUSIC] Ralph Edwards The time has come, that split second of eternity which comes in one way or another to every man in his lifetime.
[戏剧音乐] 拉尔夫·爱德华兹 时间已经到来，永恒的那一瞬间以这样或那样的方式降临在每个人的一生中。
What did you do when you heard that bomb?
当你听到爆炸声时你做了什么？
Well, I didn't hear any sounds, but I saw strange flash running through the air.
好吧，我没有听到任何声音，但我看到空气中闪过奇怪的闪光。
And took a couple of steps into the garden and lie down on the ground.
走了几步，走进花园，躺在地上。
And I felt strong blast of wind.
我感觉到一阵强劲的风。
And then I wake up, I mean I got up and saw many houses behind me destroyed.
然后我醒了，我的意思是我站起来看到身后的许多房子被毁了。
You were between two rocks?
你在两块岩石之间？
Kiyoshi Tanimoto I saw the whole city on fire and many people running away from the city in silence.
谷本清 我看到整个城市着火了，许多人默默地逃离城市。
Their skin peeling off, and hanging from face, from arm.
他们的皮肤剥落，挂在脸上，挂在手臂上。
But, strange to say, in silence, it looked like procession of ghosts.
但奇怪的是，在寂静中，它看起来就像是鬼魂的行列。
Edwards cues the jingling Buddhist temple bells and the show jarringly flashes back to Reverend Tanimoto's youth.
爱德华兹提示着叮当作响的佛教寺庙钟声，整个表演刺耳地闪回了谷本牧师的年轻时代。
First through the curtain is an old woman, the Methodist missionary who introduced him to Christianity.
第一个穿过窗帘的是一位老妇人，她是卫理公会的传教士，是她向他介绍了基督教。
Then it's an old buddy from seminary school who tells a story about Tanimoto chasing girls.
然后是神学院的老哥们讲了谷本追女孩的故事。
After him, a man appears in silhouette behind a screen.
在他身后，一个男人的剪影出现在屏风后面。
Tanimoto hears this voice.
谷本听到这个声音。
Looking down from thousands of feet over Hiroshima, all I could think of was, "My God, what have we done?"
从广岛上空数千英尺的高度往下看，我所能想到的就是：“天哪，我们做了什么？”
The voice of a man whose second of eternity was woven up with yours, Reverend Tanimoto.
谷本牧师，这个永恒的时刻与你的时刻交织在一起的人的声音。
Now you've never met him, have never seen him, but he's here tonight to clasp your hand in friendship.
现在你从未见过他，从未见过他，但他今晚在这里与你握手以示友谊。
Captain Robert Lewis, United States Air Force, who, along with Paul Tibbets, piloted the plane from which the first atomic power was dropped over Hiroshima.
美国空军上尉罗伯特·刘易斯 (Robert Lewis) 与保罗·蒂贝茨 (Paul Tibbets) 驾驶的飞机在广岛上空投放了第一个原子能。
[MUSIC AND APPLAUSE] Ralph Edwards Captain Lewis, come in here close.
[音乐和掌声] 拉尔夫·爱德华兹 (Ralph Edwards) 刘易斯船长，请靠近这里。
And would you tell us, sir, of your experience on August 6, 1945?
先生，您能告诉我们您在 1945 年 8 月 6 日的经历吗？
Well Mr. Edwards-- Allison Silverman Captain Lewis, co-pilot of the Enola Gay, shares a handshake with Tanimoto, who then backs, up putting him at an awkward distance between Lewis and Ralph Edwards, who's still consulting his book.
好吧，爱德华兹先生——埃诺拉·盖伊号的副驾驶艾莉森·西尔弗曼 (Allison Silverman) 船长刘易斯 (Lewis) 与谷本 (Tanimoto) 握手，谷本随后向后退了一步，使刘易斯和仍在查阅他的书的拉尔夫·爱德华兹 (Ralph Edwards) 之间保持着尴尬的距离。
Captain Lewis explains haltingly how they got the order to target Hiroshima, how the bombardier aimed, how they dropped the bomb and then turned fast to avoid the blast.
刘易斯上尉结结巴巴地解释了他们如何接到瞄准广岛的命令，投弹手如何瞄准，他们如何投下炸弹，然后快速转向以避免爆炸。
And then the two concussion waves hit the ship.
然后两道冲击波就击中了这艘船。
Shortly after, we turned back to see what had happened.
不久之后，我们回头看看发生了什么事。
And there in front of our eyes, the city of Hiroshima disappeared.
广岛市就在我们眼前消失了。
Now you entered something in your log at that time.
现在您当时在日志中输入了一些内容。
As I said before, Mr. Edwards, I wrote down later, "My God, what have we done?"
正如我之前所说的，爱德华兹先生，我后来写下了，“天哪，我们做了什么？”
And so, Reverend Tanimoto, you on the ground, and you on your military mission, Captain Lewis, in the air, both appealed to a power greater than your own.
因此，谷本牧师，地面上的你和空中执行军事任务的刘易斯上尉，都呼吁比你自己更强大的力量。
Lewis is the one you're most worried about watching this bizarre blind date.
刘易斯是观看这场离奇相亲时最让你担心的人。
Ralph Edwards is pleased.
拉尔夫·爱德华兹很高兴。
Tanimoto is respectful, but Captain Lewis looks like he's breaking down.
谷本很恭敬，但刘易斯船长看起来很崩溃。
People say he went to a bar before the show and came back drunk.
人们说他在演出前去了一家酒吧，然后喝醉了回来。
Thank you, Captain Robert Lewis, now personnel manager of Henry Heide Incorporated in New York City.
谢谢罗伯特·刘易斯上尉，他现在是纽约市亨利·海德公司的人事经理。
In 1971, Lewis sold his famous log from the flight and used the money in part to buy Italian marble for his new hobby, sculpture.
1971 年，刘易斯卖掉了他在飞机上著名的原木，并用所得的部分钱购买了意大利大理石，用于他的新爱好——雕塑。
The piece he's known for is a mushroom cloud, with streams of blood flowing down the side.
他最著名的作品是一朵蘑菇云，旁边有血流淌。
Edwards then introduces the two Hiroshima Maidens, who are only seen in silhouette, brings on Tanimoto's wife and four kids.
爱德华兹随后介绍了两名广岛少女，她们只出现在剪影中，并介绍了谷本的妻子和四个孩子。
And gives viewers at home an address to send their donations.
并为家里的观众提供了一个发送捐款的地址。
The address again, Maidens, Box 200, New York One, New York.
地址又是，Maidens，Box 200，New York One，New York。
And if you'll accept a change of mood now, I'd like to tell you a bit about wonderful, extra rich, liquid Prell shampoo.
如果您现在愿意改变心情，我想告诉您一些关于美妙、超丰富的 Prell 液体洗发水的信息。
That's the thrilling new companion to Prell in the tube.
这是普雷尔在管子里令人兴奋的新伙伴。
Even in its heyday, This Is Your Life raised hackles.
即使在其鼎盛时期，《这就是你的生活》也引起了人们的不满。
Time magazine called Ralph Edwards a "spiritual prosecutor" to his guests.
《时代》杂志称拉尔夫·爱德华兹为客人的“精神检察官”。
And Jack Gould at the New York Times accused the show and others like it of exploiting the raw and private emotions of the unfortunate.
《纽约时报》的杰克·古尔德指责该剧和其他类似节目利用了不幸者的原始和私人情感。
But the unfortunate, they liked it.
但不幸的是，他们喜欢它。
This Is Your Life might have exploited your story, but it also told you your story, gave it to you.
《这就是你的生活》可能利用了你的故事，但它也告诉了你你的故事，把它交给了你。
And once you had it you could do whatever you wanted with it.
一旦你拥有了它，你就可以用它做任何你想做的事情。
Hanna's daughter, Julie Kohner, told me that her mother spent the year after the show traveling around the country with a copy of her episode, raising money for United Jewish Appeal.
汉娜的女儿朱莉·科纳 (Julie Kohner) 告诉我，演出结束后的一年里，她的母亲带着她的剧集副本在全国各地旅行，为犹太联合呼吁筹集资金。
On Passover, the Kohner family would play it on the gift projector they got on This Is Your Life .
逾越节那天，科纳一家会在《这就是你的生活》节目中赠送的投影仪上播放这首歌。
Years later, Hanna and her husband, Walter, even published a joint autobiography, Hanna and Walter: A Love Story .
多年后，汉娜和她的丈夫沃尔特甚至出版了一本联合自传《汉娜和沃尔特：一个爱情故事》。
And as brutal as his episode seems today, Reverend Kiyoshi Tanimoto had fond memories of his appearance.
尽管今天的事件看起来很残酷，谷本清牧师对他的外表却有着美好的回忆。
His daughter, Koko Kondo, who was on the telecast as a 10-year-old told me when English-speaking guests would visit, Tanimoto would play them the episode on his gift projector.
他的女儿近藤可子 (Koko Kondo) 10 岁时就参加了电视节目，她告诉我，当讲英语的客人来访时，谷本会在他的礼物投影仪上为他们播放这一集。
He wasn't horrified by meeting Captain Lewis, the co-pilot of the Enola Gay.
见到埃诺拉·盖伊号的副驾驶刘易斯船长时，他并不感到害怕。
In fact, the two of them started writing each other after the show.
事实上，两人在节目结束后就开始互相写信。
And Koko Kondo says Captain Lewis changed her whole attitude about the old enemy.
近藤可子说刘易斯船长改变了她对老敌人的整个态度。
Seeing him tear up on stage at the El Capitan, she stopped hating American soldiers.
看到他在酋长剧院的舞台上流泪，她不再憎恨美国士兵。
And sometimes the show did even more.
有时演出甚至做得更多。
Once in a while, getting your life story from This Is Your Life actually changed the story of your life.
有时候，从“这就是你的生活”中获取你的生活故事实际上会改变你的生活故事。
And if you'll accept a change in mood now, our last example from the show is Lillian Roth, a vaudeville singing star who made it big on Broadway and then in movies like Animal Crackers with the Marx brothers.
如果你现在愿意接受情绪上的改变，我们节目中的最后一个例子是莉莲·罗斯，一位杂耍歌星，她在百老汇大放异彩，后来又与马克思兄弟一起出演了《动物饼干》等电影。
She was America's top jazz baby.
她是美国顶级爵士乐宝贝。
But in 1953, when she came on This Is Your Life she was pretty much forgotten.
但 1953 年，当她出演《This Is Your Life》时，她几乎被遗忘了。
The leather-bound book starts in a sad place.
这本皮革封面的书从一个悲伤的地方开始。
This is the Bloomingdale Hospital for Nervous and Mental Diseases, now known as the New York Hospital, Westchester Division.
这是布鲁明代尔神经和精神疾病医院，现称为纽约医院威彻斯特分部。
The year is 1946.
时间是1946年。
You're a patient of this mental hospital.
你是这家精神病院的病人。
Why, Lillian?
为什么，莉莲？
Well, I had a problem.
嗯，我有一个问题。
Alcoholism, which led to a mental breakdown.
酗酒，导致精神崩溃。
For nearly 16 years, right?
将近16年了，对吗？
Up to 1945, there'd hardly been a day or a night that you drew a sober breath.
直到1945年为止，你几乎没有一天或一个晚上可以清醒地呼吸。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Allison Silverman Edwards later calls this time "a stupor that was to last for 16 years." And as he recounts Roth's past, we cut to a shot of a placard with the date plus an empty whiskey bottle.
艾莉森·西尔弗曼·爱德华兹 (Allison Silverman Edwards) 后来称这一次是“持续了 16 年的昏迷状态”。当他讲述罗斯的过去时，我们切入一张标有日期的标语牌和一个空威士忌酒瓶的镜头。
The next time we cut it's two empty whiskey bottles.
下次我们切割时，它是两个空威士忌瓶。
Then two empty whiskey bottles, plus another lying on its side.
然后是两个空威士忌酒瓶，还有一个侧放在一边。
And finally, the two empty whiskey bottles, the one lying on its side, and a huge whiskey bottle made for a giant.
最后，两个空威士忌酒瓶，一个侧放着，还有一个巨大的威士忌酒瓶，是一个巨人。
But you still may not have gotten the idea about Lillian.
但你可能仍然不了解莉莲。
1932, your first marriage, consummated while under the influence of drink, is dissolved in drink.
1932年，你的第一次婚姻是在酒后圆房的，但也因酒而解体。
You're married again to a distinguished young New York judge.
你又嫁给了一位杰出的年轻纽约法官。
On your honeymoon to Miami, Florida, he opens your trunk and finds it filled with liquor.
在你去佛罗里达州迈阿密度蜜月时，他打开你的行李箱，发现里面装满了酒。
[MUSIC PLAYING] Allison Silverman I think that tune is called "Trunk Full of Liquor."
[音乐播放] 艾莉森·西尔弗曼（Allison Silverman） 我认为这首曲子叫做“Trunk Full of Liquor”。
Lillian Roth was the first and one of the only This Is Your Life guests who knew she'd be on the show ahead of time.
莉莲·罗斯是《This Is Your Life》节目中第一位也是唯一一位提前知道自己会出现在节目中的嘉宾之一。
She was asked by Ralph Edwards if she would let him share her story.
拉尔夫·爱德华兹问她是否愿意让他分享她的故事。
And she did, because she thought it could help someone.
她这么做了，因为她认为这可以帮助别人。
The episode was a smash, and among the people it helped, happily, was Lillian Roth.
这一集大受欢迎，令人高兴的是，它所帮助的人中就有莉莲·罗斯(Lillian Roth)。
Following her reintroduction to America on the show, Roth wrote an autobiography that spent 44 weeks on the New York Times Bestseller List.
在节目中重新介绍美国之后，罗斯写了一本自传，并在《纽约时报》畅销书排行榜上停留了 44 周。
It's called I'll Cry Tomorrow .
名字叫《明天我会哭》。
And in it, she calls her appearance on This Is Your Life a miracle.
在其中，她称自己在《This Is Your Life》中的出现是一个奇迹。
I'll Cry Tomorrow was made into a movie starring Susan Hayward, who was Oscar nominated for her nuanced, understated, and minutely observed performance.
《明天我会哭泣》被拍成电影，由苏珊·海沃德主演，她因其细腻、低调和细致的表演而获得奥斯卡提名。
I don't want a drink, but I need a drink.
我不想喝酒，但我需要喝一杯。
I need a drink!
我需要喝一杯！
Now!
现在！
The action builds to its final triumphant scenes, a dramatic dramatization of the moment Roth decided to allow her life to be dramatized.
这个动作建立在最后的胜利场景，这是罗斯决定让她的生活被戏剧化的那一刻的戏剧性戏剧化。
They want me on a national television show.
他们希望我参加全国电视节目。
How wonderful.
多么美妙啊。
Susan Hayward But they don't want me to sing.
苏珊·海沃德 但他们不想让我唱歌。
They want me to come out to California and get up before 40 million people and tell the shameful, disgusting story of my life.
他们希望我来到加州，在四千万人面前讲述我一生中可耻、令人厌恶的故事。
The story of your life?
你一生的故事？
Susan Hayward I couldn't tell the story of my life, I'd be too ashamed.
苏珊·海沃德（Susan Hayward） 我无法讲述我的人生故事，我会感到非常羞愧。
These days, confessional culture is everywhere.
如今，忏悔文化无处不在。
It's easy look down on it as nothing but a bid for publicity.
人们很容易轻视它，认为它只不过是为了宣传。
But it's not really just about the person confessing.
但这不仅仅与坦白的人有关。
It's about why we're paying attention to their story.
这就是我们为什么关注他们的故事。
When we hear someone lay it all out there, there's a reason beyond voyeurism that we like to listen.
当我们听到有人把一切都摆在那里时，除了偷窥狂之外，我们还有其他原因喜欢听。
In 1958, Lillian Roth was interviewed by Mike Wallace.
1958年，莉莲·罗斯接受了迈克·华莱士的采访。
She said it best.
她说得最好。
Have you ever wondered, though, why the American public seems to be so fascinated with this kind of story?
但你有没有想过，为什么美国公众似乎对这类故事如此着迷？
Is it possibly just the desire to look across the courtyard into somebody else's open window?
是否可能只是想透过庭院看到别人开着的窗户？
Well, I think where my story is concerned, it goes back to an old philosophy that I read that said, "In each man's heart, there's a secret sorrow that the world knows nothing about." And I think that humanity feel that their sorrow is for you and their compassion is for you.
嗯，我认为我的故事可以追溯到我读过的一个古老的哲学，它说：“在每个人的心里，都有一个世界一无所知的秘密悲伤。”我认为人类感到他们的悲伤是为了你，他们的同情是为了你。
But it has touched a part of their heart that they will not open the door themselves.
但他们不愿意自己开门，这触动了他们内心的一部分。
They won't even peek in.
他们甚至不会偷看。
And in the subconscious, the tie is there.
在潜意识里，领带就在那里。
What she's saying is, when you watch me discuss my sad life on This Is Your Life it's not me who's revealed, it's you.
她的意思是，当你看着我在《This Is Your Life》中讨论我的悲伤生活时，揭露真相的不是我，而是你。
Allison Silverman.
艾莉森·西尔弗曼。
[MUSIC- "I"LL CRY TOMORROW" BY LILLIAN ROTH]
[音乐-莉莲·罗斯的《我明天会哭泣》]
OK, turning to our next story of gifts and their aftermath, here's a headline that caught my eye a while back.
好的，转向我们的下一个关于礼物及其后果的故事，这是不久前引起我注意的标题。
I've got the newspaper here.
我这里有报纸。
Big, screaming headline above the fold, "Medical Marijuana Outlet Nabbed for Overselling in Sting Operation."
头版头条大标题是“医用大麻专卖店因在诱骗行动中过度销售而被捕”。
This is not a US newspaper, by the way.
顺便说一句，这不是美国报纸。
I've been living in the Middle East for a lot of the past year, and one of the newspapers I read is called Haaretz.
过去一年我大部分时间都住在中东，我读的一份报纸叫《国土报》。
It's an Israeli paper.
这是一份以色列报纸。
You can look it up online.
你可以上网查一下。
It has an English edition.
它有英文版。
And I'll be honest, my interest in this story was entirely escapist.
老实说，我对这个故事的兴趣完全是逃避现实。
I needed a break from reading about the politics in the region and "Medical Marijuana Outlet Nabbed for Overselling in Sting Operation." I was looking forward to drug deals and scandal, and people getting nabbed.
我需要在阅读有关该地区政治和“医用大麻专卖店因在诱骗行动中过度销售而被捕”的文章后休息一下。我期待着毒品交易和丑闻，以及人们被逮捕。
So here I am, I'm reading this story.
所以我在这里，正在读这个故事。
And it turns out the sting consists of an undercover policewoman going to a government licensed medical marijuana center and pretending to have cancer.
事实证明，这次诱捕行动是一名便衣女警察前往政府许可的医用大麻中心并假装患有癌症。
It says here she had a prescription for medical marijuana and she went to this place several times to get her allowed dosage.
上面说她在这里有医用大麻的处方，她多次去这个地方以获得允许的剂量。
But she kept saying she was still suffering, her dose wasn't enough.
但她一直说她仍然很痛苦，她的剂量还不够。
She needed more.
她需要更多。
According to one unnamed source in the story she, quote, "begged repeatedly for more cannabis, saying she could not stand the pain." Finally, someone at the place caved and gave her more.
据报道中一位不愿透露姓名的消息人士称，她“一再恳求更多的大麻，说她无法忍受疼痛”。最后，当地有人屈服了，给了她更多。
About a third of an ounce, according to the paper.
据该报报道，大约三分之一盎司。
Picture around half a baggy, a couple of handfuls.
想象一下大约半袋，几把。
That was the drug deal caught by the sting.
那就是被刺中的毒品交易。
Someone giving a supposedly sick person who had a prescription a bit more marijuana than she was prescribed after being begged by the person who was pretending to have cancer.
在假装患有癌症的人的恳求下，有人给一个所谓的病人开了比她开出的处方多一点的大麻。
When I finished the story all I could think was, wait, really?
当我完成这个故事时，我所能想到的就是，等等，真的吗？
[SPEAKING HEBREW] Nancy Updike This is Gal Cohen.
[希伯来语] 南希·厄普代克 我是盖尔·科恩。
She's the one who gave the undercover police women the extra medical marijuana.
她是给卧底女警察额外的医用大麻的人。
Through an interpreter, Gal described meeting the policewoman.
通过翻译，加尔描述了与女警察的会面。
[SPEAKING HEBREW] Interpreter I met her for the first time three months ago.
[说希伯来语] 翻译 我三个月前第一次见到她。
She described suffering from cancer and that her condition was so severe that she doesn't leave the house much.
她描述自己患有癌症，而且病情非常严重，以至于她很少出门。
And I remember telling her that it would be good for her to leave the house.
我记得告诉她离开家对她有好处。
And I even remember her coming back at some point and saying, "Thank you for telling me to come to the shop to leave the house.
我什至记得她有时回来说：“谢谢你让我来商店离开家。
It has been good for me to see people."
见到人们对我来说很好。”
Quick background here.
这里是快速背景。
Medical marijuana is pretty new in Israel.
医用大麻在以色列还很新鲜。
Like the US, the country has a serious illegal drug trade to worry about.
与美国一样，该国也面临着严重的非法毒品贸易问题。
And with marijuana they're in that awkward stage of trying to figure out exactly how they want to make this still illegal drug available as medicine in some harsh cases-- cancer, AIDS, MS, chronic pain.
对于大麻，他们正处于一个尴尬的阶段，他们试图弄清楚如何让这种仍然非法的药物在一些严酷的情况下——癌症、艾滋病、多发性硬化症、慢性疼痛——成为药物。
About 6,000 people in Israel have prescriptions now.
目前以色列约有 6,000 人持有处方药。
The police wouldn't answer questions for this story, just said it was an ongoing investigation.
警方没有回答有关此事的问题，只是说调查正在进行中。
So I went to the medical marijuana center, called Tikun Olam, to hear their version of what happened.
所以我去了一家名为 Tikun Olam 的医用大麻中心，想听听他们对所发生事情的说法。
Gal, the woman who gave extra to the policewoman, is 20-years-old, maybe five two, long, dark hair, reserved.
盖尔，那个给女警察额外钱的女人，20 岁，大概五岁二岁，长长的黑发，性格内向。
In the raid, she was taken into police custody, along with her brother, who started the medical marijuana company, and another employee, Shmuel [?
在突袭中，她与她创办医用大麻公司的兄弟以及另一名员工什穆尔（Shmuel）一起被警方拘留。
Desolet Mushasha.
德索莱·穆沙沙。
?] As Gal was describing the undercover policewoman, Shmuel came over and jumped in.
？]正当加尔描述卧底女警察时，什穆埃尔走了过来，跳了进来。
[SPEAKING HEBREW] Interpreter She looked like a lot of other people who come in who are having a hard time or in pain and maybe financially having a hard time finishing the month on whatever salaries they have.
[说希伯来语] 翻译 她看起来就像很多其他进来的人一样，他们正经历着困难或痛苦，也许无论他们的薪水如何，在经济上都难以度过这个月。
[SPEAKING HEBREW] Nancy Updike You're showing Gal her sweater is, what?
[说希伯来语] Nancy Updike 你正在向 Gal 展示她的毛衣是什么？
It's askew, and she's got-- she's wearing a big sweater.
它是歪的，而且她穿着一件大毛衣。
Big sweater, clumsy sweater.
大毛衣，笨拙的毛衣。
Nancy Updike Hairs everywhere.
南希·厄普代克 到处都是头发。
And weird glasses or something.
还有奇怪的眼镜什么的。
The glasses was OK.
眼镜还好。
Nancy Updike The glasses was OK?
南希·厄普代克 眼镜还好吗？
Shmuel is 27.
什穆尔今年 27 岁。
He's Ethiopian.
他是埃塞俄比亚人。
His family emigrated to Israel when he was a baby.
当他还是个婴儿时，他的家人移民到以色列。
Natural storyteller.
天生讲故事的人。
He says lots of people ask for more.
他说很多人要求更多。
And some of them push hard, like the policewoman did.
他们中的一些人像女警察那样用力推挤。
[SPEAKING HEBREW] Interpreter I can't even tell you the kinds of episodes that we've seen here.
[说希伯来语] 口译员 我什至无法告诉你我们在这里看过的剧集类型。
And I'll give you one example.
我给你举一个例子。
There are times where people will fake a heart attack.
有时人们会假装心脏病发作。
We had a guy who said he's going into cardiac arrest.
我们有一个人说他的心脏骤停。
You know, he was shaking and he was faking this heart attack.
你知道，他在发抖，他假装心脏病发作。
And I was on the phone with the ambulance.
我正在和救护车通电话。
And we were so far along that the woman on the other side of the phone was saying, "Well, should I send one or not?" But as soon as he saw that I was calling the ambulance, he said, "Actually, I'm fine.
我们已经聊得很远了，电话那头的女士说：“好吧，我应该发一封还是不发一封？”但他一看到我叫救护车，就说：“其实我很好。
Don't call the ambulance." So people go to great lengths to try to get us to give them more than they are allowed to get.
不要叫救护车。”因此，人们不遗余力地试图让我们给他们比他们允许的更多的东西。
Were you there the day of the fake heart attack?
假心脏病发作那天你在场吗？
[SPEAKING HEBREW] Interpreter He even took his false teeth out.
[希伯来语]翻译 他甚至拔掉了假牙。
The drama.
戏剧。
Nancy Updike Why this man thought a fake heart attack would get him more medical marijuana is not clear.
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）为何认为假心脏病发作会让他获得更多医用大麻，目前尚不清楚。
The undercover policewoman's drama succeeded where the heart attack man's failed, maybe because it was more subtle and had a good supporting cast.
卧底女警察的戏剧成功了心脏病男子失败的地方，也许是因为它更微妙并且有很好的配角。
Once during the two and a half months she was going to the dispensary, she brought in a distraught husband.
在这两个半月的时间里，有一次她去药房时，带了一位心烦意乱的丈夫进来。
[SPEAKING HEBREW] Interpreter He talked, the husband, about the fact that she was-- when the pain was strong she would just lie on the coach, and she wouldn't want to move and she wouldn't want to leave the house.
[说希伯来语] 翻译 丈夫他谈到了这样一个事实：当疼痛剧烈时，她会躺在马车上，她不想动，也不想离开家。
And here she got a little bit better and this was good, but now she's having a regression.
在这里她好一点了，这很好，但现在她正在退步。
And once again, she doesn't want to leave the house.
她再一次不想离开家。
She doesn't want to get up off the coach.
她不想从教练上下来。
That was the way he was pressing us to give her more.
这就是他敦促我们给她更多的方式。
Shmuel didn't give her more.
什穆尔没有给她更多。
He says he told her the same thing he tells everyone.
他说他对她说的和对所有人说的一样。
If your dose isn't enough, talk to the health ministry and get them to increase your prescription.
如果您的剂量不够，请与卫生部联系并让他们增加您的处方。
He says he explains to people exactly how to do it, so they don't get tangled up in the bureaucracy.
他说他向人们解释了具体的操作方法，这样他们就不会陷入官僚机构之中。
And he knows the procedure because he's done it.
他知道这个程序，因为他已经这么做了。
He lost the lower half of his leg serving in the army, and he's got a prescription for medical marijuana himself.
他在军队服役时失去了下半条腿，他自己也拿到了医用大麻的处方。
It took six months of surgery and a year and a half of rehab for him to be able to walk with a prosthetic limb.
经过六个月的手术和一年半的康复，他才能够使用假肢行走。
But he still has pain.
但他仍然感到疼痛。
Marijuana dials it down without turning him into a zombie, like morphine did.
大麻可以降低他的痛苦，但不会像吗啡那样把他变成僵尸。
So Shmuel told the policewoman, "Go back to the health ministry." But Gal gave in.
于是什穆尔对女警察说：“回去卫生部吧。”但加尔屈服了。
She came back after she had run out of her supply, she said.
她说，她的补给用完后才回来。
And she said that she's desperate.
她说她很绝望。
She really needs it.
她真的需要它。
She can't function.
她无法发挥作用。
She said, "I'm sitting at home crying.
她说：“我坐在家里哭。
I'm not functioning with my children and I need more." And that's when I picked up additional grams and give it to her.
我不能和我的孩子们一起生活，我需要更多。”就在那时，我又拿起了几克，给了她。
Gal says this wasn't a financial transaction, by the way.
顺便说一句，加尔说这不是金融交易。
No money changed hands.
没有钱易手。
People with medical marijuana prescriptions in Israel pay a fixed amount per month, around $100, whether they're dose is 30 grams or 100 grams.
在以色列，持有医用大麻处方的人每月支付固定金额，约为 100 美元，无论剂量是 30 克还是 100 克。
Gal just not gave it to the woman.
加尔只是没有把它给那个女人。
It was an impulsive, illegal gift.
这是一份冲动的、非法的礼物。
Two weeks later, police showed up.
两周后，警察出现了。
They took me to the police station in a big van, a big Savana van with two policeman, one at each side, two in the front, and three behind me.
他们用一辆大货车把我带到警察局，一辆大萨瓦纳货车，车上有两名警察，两边各一个，前面两个，后面三个。
It felt like I was some big time drug dealer.
感觉就像我是一个大毒贩。
It wasn't until the police officer who interrogated Gal pulled out a picture of the undercover policewoman that she understood what was going on and why she'd been brought in.
直到审问盖尔的警官拿出一张卧底女警察的照片，盖尔才明白发生了什么事，也明白为什么她被带进来。
He asked her why she gave the woman more.
他问她为什么给女人更多。
I told him that I felt sorry for her.
我告诉他我为她感到难过。
And that I had mixed up my emotions with my job.
我把我的情绪和我的工作混在一起了。
I told him it was very hard for me as a 20-year-old young woman to say no to this woman who was like my mother or my grandmother.
我告诉他，作为一个 20 岁的年轻女性，我很难拒绝这个像我母亲或祖母一样的女人。
My intention was to help her.
我的目的是帮助她。
She was an older woman.
她是一位年长的妇女。
The day I went to the one-room dispensary where Gal and Shmuel work, almost all the patients who came in were women who fit the description of the undercover officer.
那天我去了盖尔和什穆埃尔工作的一间只有一间房间的药房，进来的几乎所有病人都是女性，符合卧底警官的描述。
All past 50, bundled up, moving slowly.
都过了50了，裹得严严实实，慢慢地走着。
Shmuel asked one of them, "How's it going?" And she said, "not good."
什穆尔问其中一个人：“怎么样？”她说：“不好。”
I've always thought the expression you can't cheat an honest man was off base.
我一直认为“你无法欺骗一个诚实的人”这句话是没有根据的。
Of course you can.
当然可以。
The way you do it is to appeal not to their greed, but to their pity.
你这样做的方式不是吸引他们的贪婪，而是吸引他们的怜悯。
Convince them they're doing something for your gain, not theirs.
让他们相信他们做事是为了你的利益，而不是他们的利益。
Government prosecutors are deciding whether to indict anyone in the case.
政府检察官正在决定是否起诉此案中的任何人。
Coming up, gold fish and a battle over dried fruit.
接下来是金鱼和干果大战。
That's in one minute.
就在一分钟之内。
From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International when-- say it with me-- when our program continues.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台 当——跟我一起说——当我们的节目继续进行时。
Welcome back.
欢迎回来。
I'm Nancy Updike sitting in for Ira Glass, who's out reporting a story for two weeks.
我是南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike)，我是艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 的替补，她要报道一个故事两周了。
It's This American Life and we have a theme this week, like we do every week.
这就是《美国生活》，本周我们有一个主题，就像我们每周都会做的那样。
And today it is, "Oh, You Shouldn't Have." We're looking at some of the hazards and joys of giving and receiving gifts, from huge ones like a TV special about your life, to ones as small as a lowly orange.
今天是，“哦，你不应该这样做。”我们正在研究赠送和接受礼物的一些危险和乐趣，从像关于你生活的电视特别节目这样的大礼物，到像一个卑微的橙子这样的小礼物。
Let's talk for a minute about etiquette.
让我们谈谈礼仪。
I think there's something almost un-American about etiquette.
我认为有些礼仪几乎是非美国式的。
I know there are people who will disagree with me on this, but I think for a lot of Americans the idea that there are rules out there about the proper way to behave, rules more elaborate than just common sense, seems pretentious, European, like one more thing we fought the British to be free of.
我知道有些人会在这一点上不同意我的观点，但我认为对于很多美国人来说，存在关于正确行为方式的规则，比常识更详尽的规则，这似乎是自命不凡的、欧洲的，就像我们与英国人斗争而摆脱的又一件事。
Not that we're rude, we just don't like to be fancy.
并不是我们粗鲁，我们只是不喜欢花哨。
The meantime, we're full of immigrants from much older, fancier countries.
与此同时，我们充满了来自更古老、更美好国家的移民。
Nazanin Rafsanjani was born in Iran, grew up in Minnesota, and she's steeped in both worlds.
纳赞宁·拉夫桑贾尼 (Nazanin Rafsanjani) 出生于伊朗，在明尼苏达州长大，她沉浸在这两个世界中。
She still has family in Iran she goes to see.
她在伊朗还有家人，她要去探望。
She's got her family here.
她的家人在这里。
But then, American friends.
但是，美国朋友们。
She went to school here.
她在这里上学。
Her husband is American.
她的丈夫是美国人。
And she says there's one key Iranian concept that is way beyond even the most party manners American notion of please, thank you, and oh, you shouldn't have gone to all this trouble.
她说，伊朗有一个关键概念，它甚至远远超出了美国最具派对礼仪的概念，即“请”、“谢谢”，以及“哦，你不应该这么麻烦”。
OK, so it's called tarof.
好吧，所以它叫 tarof。
And it's basically this social custom of never saying what you want and offering things to people that you may or may not really want to give them.
这基本上是一种社会习俗，从不说出你想要什么，并向人们提供你可能真正想给或不想给他们的东西。
What happens, like, millions of times a day in Iran, probably is that you-- you know, you go to someone's house and they say, "Are you hungry?
在伊朗，每天发生数百万次的情况，可能是你——你知道，你去某人家，他们说：“你饿了吗？
What can I get you?
我能给你什么？
Do you want some tea?
你想喝点茶吗？
Do you want some fruit?
你想要一些水果吗？
Cookies?" And you say, "No, no, no. I'm just here, I just want to see you.
饼干？”你说：“不，不，不。我只是在这里，我只是想见你。
I'm not here for any of that stuff.
我来这里不是为了这些事情。
I'm not hungry.
我不饿。
I don't want any tea."
我不想喝茶。”
And they're like, "No, you have to have some tea.
他们就像，“不，你必须喝点茶。
You have to have some fruit.
你必须吃一些水果。
Just one orange.
只要一个橙子。
Just have an orange.
就吃一个橙子吧
Have an orange and an apple." So you may or may not want the tea, you may really want the tea.
吃一个橙子和一个苹果。”所以你可能想要也可能不想要茶，你可能真的想要茶。
They may be on their way out the door and not expecting you, and not want you at all to stay for tea or fruit or anything, but it doesn't matter.
他们可能在出门的路上并没有期待您的到来，并且根本不想让您留下来喝茶或水果或其他任何东西，但这并不重要。
They've come out of their kitchen with a giant bowl of fruit, which ever Iranian has.
他们从厨房里出来，端着一大碗水果，这是伊朗人都有的。
And you're like, "No, no, no, I don't want anything.
你会说：“不，不，不，我什么都不想要。
I'm just here to talk for a second.
我只是来谈谈。
Please, please, please.
拜托，拜托，拜托。
No, no." And there may be some physical altercation where they're like grabbing your hands as you try to put fruit on their plate.
不，不。”而且可能会发生一些肢体冲突，比如当你试图把水果放在他们的盘子上时，他们会抓住你的手。
And what I see happen a lot is that the person who the food and tea is being forced on will take a sip of the tea, or peel the orange and eat a slice and leave the rest on their plate.
我经常看到的情况是，那些被迫吃食物和茶的人会喝一口茶，或者剥开橙子吃一片，然后把剩下的留在盘子里。
Because if you eat the orange, then they have to start tarofing again.
因为如果你吃了橙子，那么他们就必须再次开始剥皮。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思吗？
If you finish the orange or drink the tea, they're not going to just let your plate be empty.
如果您吃完橙子或喝完茶，他们不会让您的盘子空着。
What happens if they say, stay.
如果他们说留下来，会发生什么？
Have some tea.
喝点茶。
You have to have some tea.
你必须喝点茶。
And you say, great, I would love some tea?
你说，太好了，我想喝点茶吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
I mean, that just never happens.
我的意思是，这种事永远不会发生。
I'm sure it does happen from time to time, but it just is so rare for someone to say, "Do you want some tea?" or, "Are you hungry?" and for the other Iranian to say, like, "Yes, sure." That's so embarrassing.
我确信这种情况确实时有发生，但很少有人会说：“你想喝点茶吗？”或者，“你饿吗？”而另一个伊朗人会说，“是的，当然。”那就太尴尬了
That would be really embarrassing.
那就真的很尴尬了。
It happens to me a lot.
这种事在我身上发生过很多次。
An uncomfortable thing that would often happen to me growing up is that I'd have all these American friends coming over to our house, and it always makes me slightly uncomfortable when someone's at my parents' house and they compliment my parents on something.
在我成长的过程中，经常发生的一件不舒服的事情是，我会有所有这些美国朋友来到我们家，当有人在我父母家里并且他们称赞我父母的某些事情时，这总是让我有点不舒服。
Because the custom is, if you go to my parents' house and you say, like, "That's a beautiful painting on the wall," they'll offer it to you.
因为习俗是，如果你去我父母家，你说，“墙上有一幅美丽的画，”他们就会把它送给你。
They'll just be like, "Take it.
他们只会说，“拿走它。
It's yours.
这是你的。
It's not good here anyway.
反正这里也不好。
It would look better in your house.
放在你家里会更好看。
Take it.
拿走吧。
It's not worth anything to us.
这对我们来说一文不值。
It's much more important that you have it."
拥有它更重要。”
Are people then overwhelmed?
那么人们就不知所措了吗？
Like, oh, I didn't mean--
就像，哦，我不是这个意思——
Yes, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
Definitely yeah, it catches people off guard.
确实是的，这让人们措手不及。
People are like, no-- what?
人们会说，不——什么？
I'm not going to take your-- what?
我不会带走你的——什么？
It's really confusing to somebody who doesn't know that they don't want you to take their picture on the wall.
对于那些不知道他们不希望你把他们的照片挂在墙上的人来说，这真的很令人困惑。
They just have to say that.
他们只需要这么说。
You just have to say it.
你只需要说出来。
It permeates every single-- like, for example, my parents were just visiting us.
它渗透到每个人身上——例如，我的父母刚刚来看望我们。
And I'd see Alex, my husband, doing this, where he'd pour them a glass of water and he'd say, "Do you want ice in the water?" And my mom would say, "No." But she wanted ice in the water.
我会看到亚历克斯，我的丈夫，这样做，他会给他们倒一杯水，然后他会说，“你想在水中加冰吗？”我妈妈会说：“不。”但她想要水中加冰。
Like, I knew she wanted ice in the water.
就像，我知道她想在水中加冰。
She knew she wanted ice in the water.
她知道她想要水中加冰。
But she'd say no, and so he wouldn't put it in the water.
但她拒绝了，所以他就不会把它放进水里。
So then I would have to go and get the ice cubes and put it in her water.
所以我必须去拿冰块并将其放入她的水中。
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, when I describe it to people, it's really time consuming.
我的意思是，当我向人们描述它时，这真的很耗时。
Because it's not just-- this happens like in Iran, when you go into a store and you're going to buy-- I think we were buying dried fruit or something.
因为这不仅仅是——就像在伊朗那样，当你走进一家商店，你要买——我想我们买的是干果或其他东西。
And you take what you want up to the counter and you'll go to pay.
然后你把你想要的东西拿到柜台去付款。
And the store owner says, like, "It's worthless.
店主说，“这毫无价值。
This is worthless.
这是没有价值的。
You shouldn't even-- it's worthless to you.
你甚至不应该——它对你来说毫无价值。
Your value is so much more than this thing that you're trying to buy." And and then you have to say, "No, no, no. Really, how much is it?" And then they say, "No, no, no. Just take it.
你的价值远不止你想买的这个东西。”然后你必须说，“不，不，不。真的，多少钱？”然后他们说：“不，不，不。拿走吧。
Just take it.
拿走吧。
You shouldn't have to pay for it." And you're like, "No, no, no. Please, tell me how much it is." And then finally you get to a point where they are going to tell you the price.
你不应该为此付费。”你会说，“不，不，不。请告诉我多少钱。”最后，他们会告诉你价格。
And then the funny thing that happens, that I've seen happen so many times, is like-- and then they quote you a price that's like way more than the thing is actually worth.
然后发生了一件有趣的事情，我已经见过很多次了，就像——然后他们给你报出的价格远高于该东西的实际价值。
So then you have to shift.
那么你就必须转变。
So it flips?
所以就翻了？
It flips completely and becomes a bargaining session?
完全翻转，变成讨价还价的环节？
Exactly.
正是如此。
Then it becomes the sort of like haggling, a haggling session.
然后就变成了讨价还价，一场讨价还价的会议。
So who's the person in your family who's best at this?
那么你家里最擅长这件事的人是谁呢？
Who's the expert?
谁是专家？
In my family, I would say the expert is my great aunt.
在我家里，我会说专家是我的姑婆。
She will wear you down.
她会让你疲惫不堪。
You'll say no, and you'll really mean no. And you'll be like, no, I'm not hungry.
你会说不，而且你的意思是真的不。你会说，不，我不饿。
And she just puts the food in front of you.
她只是把食物放在你面前。
To the point of like-- I don't know if this is going to translate.
到了这样的地步——我不知道这是否能翻译。
But I would like wake up in the middle of the night and see her in my room about to put like a blanket over me, even though I told her a million times like, I'm not hot.
但我想在半夜醒来，看到她在我的房间里，像一条毯子一样盖在我身上，尽管我告诉她一百万次，我不热。
I don't get hot.
我不热。
Please don't put a blanket over me.
请不要给我盖被子。
And she would just come in in the middle of the night and throw a blanket over me.
她会在半夜进来，给我盖上毯子。
And a couple of times I would catch her.
有几次我会抓住她。
Be like, what are you doing?
就像，你在做什么？
What are you doing in here?
你在这里做什么？
And then she reduces you.
然后她就会贬低你。
With the tarof thing, she literally reduces you to begging.
有了 tarof 的事，她真的让你沦为乞讨。
You're like, please, don't do this.
你会说，拜托，不要这样做。
Please.
请。
There's no way to shortcut it?
就没有什么捷径吗？
There's no way to say, "I know what you're doing.
没有办法说：“我知道你在做什么。
You know, I know what you're doing.
你知道，我知道你在做什么。
We know what we're doing.
我们知道我们在做什么。
Let's just do the short version." You can't do that?
我们就做简短的版本吧。”你不能这样做吗？
Like, it has to play out?
就像，它必须发挥出来吗？
Yeah.
是的。
And I mean, you could cut to the chase and be like, stop tarofing.
我的意思是，你可以切入主题，然后说，停止 tarofing。
But that's kind of rude.
但这有点粗鲁。
Because then you're implying that the person is being fake.
因为那样你就暗示这个人是假的。
Does it make it hard sometimes to even know what you want?
有时甚至很难知道自己想要什么吗？
Because you have to do all the responses, there are all these consequences no matter what you do.
因为你必须做出所有反应，所以无论你做什么都会产生所有这些后果。
Does it make it hard to even understand, am I hungry?
这是否让人难以理解，我饿了吗？
Am I not hungry?
我不饿吗？
Do I want to stay here?
我想留在这里吗？
Do I want this person here?
我想要这个人在这里吗？
I don't know if it makes it hard to know what you want.
我不知道这是否会让你很难知道自己想要什么。
But I think what happens is that you end up not caring what you want.
但我认为最终发生的事情是你不再关心你想要什么。
If you're like me, you just want the tarof to stop.
如果你像我一样，你只是希望 tarof 停止。
That becomes what you want.
那就变成你想要的了。
Nazanin Rafsanjani Exactly.
纳扎宁·拉夫桑贾尼 没错。
All you want is the tarofing to stop.
您想要的只是停止 tarofing。
That's all you want.
这就是你想要的。
Nazanin Rafsanjani works at the public radio program On the Media .
纳赞宁·拉夫桑贾尼 (Nazanin Rafsanjani) 在公共广播节目 On the Media 工作。
Our last story is about the hardest kind of gift to give, one that requires sacrifice.
我们的最后一个故事是关于最难给予的一种礼物，一种需要牺牲的礼物。
Not just giving, but giving something up.
不只是给予，而是放弃一些东西。
It's a piece of short fiction by writer Etgar Keret.
这是作家埃特加·凯雷特的短篇小说。
He's been on our show before.
他以前参加过我们的节目。
You'll remember him if you've heard one of his stories.
如果您听过他的故事之一，您就会记住他。
They don't sound like anyone else's.
他们听起来不像其他人。
This one takes place in Israel where Etgar lives, and is read by actor Michael Chernus.
这本书的故事发生在埃特加居住的以色列，由演员迈克尔·切尔努斯朗读。
Yonatan had a brilliant idea for a documentary.
尤纳坦（Yonatan）对于一部纪录片有一个绝妙的想法。
He'd knock on doors.
他会敲门。
Just him, no camera crew, no nonsense, just Yonatan, alone, a little camera in his hand, asking, "If you found a talking goldfish that granted you three wishes, what of this goldfish would you wish?"
只有他，没有摄制组，没有废话，只有尤纳坦，一个人，手里拿着一个小相机，问道：“如果你发现一条会说话的金鱼满足了你三个愿望，你想要这条金鱼什么？”
Folks would give their answers and Yoni would edit them down.
人们会给出他们的答案，而约尼会编辑它们。
Make clips of the more surprising responses.
制作更令人惊讶的反应的剪辑。
Before every set of answers, you'd see the person standing stock still in the entrance to his house.
在每组答案之前，你都会看到那个人一动不动地站在他家的门口。
Onto this shot, he'd superimpose the subject's name, his family situation, his monthly income, and maybe even the party he'd voted for in the last election.
在这张照片上，他会叠加拍摄对象的名字、他的家庭情况、他的月收入，甚至可能还有他在上次选举中投票支持的政党。
That, together with the wishes, and maybe he'd end up with some real social commentary.
加上这些愿望，也许他最终会得到一些真正的社会评论。
A testament to the massive rift between all our dreams and the often unpromising realities in which we live.
这证明了我们所有的梦想与我们生活的往往没有希望的现实之间存在巨大的裂痕。
It was genius, Yoni was sure.
这是天才，约尼确信。
And if not, at least it was cheap.
即使没有，至少它很便宜。
All he needed was a door to knock on and a heart beating on the other side.
他所需要的只是敲一扇门和门外一颗跳动的心。
With a little decent footage, he was sure he'd be able to sell it to channel eight or Discovery in a flash, either as a film or as a bunch of vignettes, little cinematic corners each with that singular soul standing in a doorway followed by three killer wishes.
有了一些像样的镜头，他确信他能够立即将其卖给八频道或探索频道，无论是作为一部电影还是作为一堆小插曲，每个小电影角落都有一个独特的灵魂站在门口，后面跟着三个杀手的愿望。
Precious, every one.
珍贵啊，每一个。
Even better, maybe he'd cash out, package it with a slogan and sell it to a bank or cellular phone company.
更好的是，也许他可以兑现，用标语包装，然后卖给银行或移动电话公司。
Maybe tag it with something like, "Different dreams, different wishes, one bank." Or, "The bank that makes dreams come true."
也许可以用“不同的梦想，不同的愿望，一家银行”之类的标签来标记它。或者，“让梦想成真的银行。”
No prep, no plotting, natural as can be, Yoni grabbed his camera and went out knocking on doors.
没有任何准备，没有策划，就这样自然地，Yoni 抓起了相机，出去敲门。
In the first neighborhood, the kindly folk that took part generally requested the foreseeable things-- health, money, bigger apartments, either to shave off a couple of years or a couple of pounds.
在第一个社区，参与活动的好心人通常会要求一些可预见的东西——健康、金钱、更大的公寓，要么能减少几年的寿命，要么能减轻几磅。
But there were also the powerful moments, the big truths.
但也有一些重要的时刻和重大事实。
There was one drawn, wizened old lady that asked simply for a child.
有一位面容枯槁的老太太，只想要一个孩子。
There was a cocky, broad-shouldered ladykiller who put out his cigarette and as if the camera wasn't there, wished he were a girl.
有一个傲慢的、宽肩膀的淑女杀手，他熄灭了香烟，好像相机不在那儿一样，希望自己是个女孩。
"Just for a night," he added holding a single finger right up to the lens.
“就一个晚上，”他补充道，将一根手指放在镜头上。
Yonatan knew if the project was going to have weight, he'd have to get to everyone.
尤纳坦知道，如果这个项目想要产生影响力，他就必须接触到每个人。
To the unemployed, to the ultra religious, to the Arabs and Ethiopians and American ex-pats.
对于失业者，对于极端宗教人士，对于阿拉伯人、埃塞俄比亚人和美国侨民。
Maybe some beleaguered Arab man would stand in his doorway and, looking through Yonatan and his camera, looking out into nothingness, just pause for a minute, nod his head, and wish for peace.
也许某个陷入困境的阿拉伯人会站在门口，透过尤纳坦和他的相机，望向虚无，只是停顿一会儿，点点头，祈求和平。
That would be something to see.
那将是值得一看的事情。
Sergei [?
谢尔盖[?
Garalik ?] doesn't much like strangers banging on his door.
加拉利克？]不太喜欢陌生人敲他的门。
Less so is he amenable to it when those strangers are asking him questions.
当那些陌生人问他问题时，他就更不乐意了。
In Russia when Sergei was young, it happened plenty.
谢尔盖年轻时在俄罗斯发生过很多这样的事情。
The KGB felt right at home knocking on his door.
克格勃敲响了他的门，感觉就像在家里一样。
His father had been a Zionist, which was pretty much an invitation for them to drop by any old time.
他的父亲是一名犹太复国主义者，这几乎是对他们过去任何时候顺便拜访的邀请。
When Sergei got to Israel and then moved to Jaffa, his family couldn't wrap their heads around it.
当谢尔盖到达以色列然后搬到雅法时，他的家人无法理解这一点。
They'd ask him, "What are you looking to find in a place like that?
他们会问他：“你想在那样的地方找到什么？
There's no one there but addicts and Arabs and pensioners." But what is most excellent about addicts and Arabs and pensioners is that they don't come around knocking on Sergei's door.
那里除了瘾君子、阿拉伯人和养老金领取者之外没有人。”但吸毒者、阿拉伯人和养老金领取者最出色的一点是，他们不会主动来敲谢尔盖的门。
Like that, Sergei can get his sleep and get up when it's still dark.
这样，谢尔盖就能入睡，天还没亮就起床。
He can take his little boat out into the sea and fish until he's done fishing, by himself, in silence.
他可以开着他的小船到海里去钓鱼，直到他一个人默默地钓完为止。
The way it should be.
应该如此。
The way it was.
本来就是这样。
Until one day some kid with an earring in his ear-- looking a little bit homosexual-- comes knocking.
直到有一天，一个耳朵里戴着耳环的孩子——看起来有点同性恋——来敲门。
Hard like that, rapping at his door, just the way Sergei doesn't like.
那样用力地敲门，正是谢尔盖不喜欢的方式。
And he says, this kid, that he has some questions he wants to put on the TV.
他说，这个孩子，他有一些问题想上电视。
Sergei tells the boy, tells him in what he thinks is a straightforward manner, that he doesn't want it.
谢尔盖告诉男孩，以他认为直截了当的方式告诉他，他不想要它。
Not interested.
不感兴趣。
Sergei gives the camera a shove to help make it clearer.
谢尔盖推了推镜头，让画面变得更清晰。
But the earring boy is stubborn.
但耳环男孩很固执。
He says all kinds of things, fast things, and it's a bit hard for Sergei to follow.
他说各种各样的话，语速很快，谢尔盖有点难以跟上。
His Hebrew isn't so good.
他的希伯来语不太好。
The boy slows it down.
男孩放慢了速度。
Tells Sergei he's got a strong face, a nice face, and that he simply have to have him for this movie picture.
告诉谢尔盖他有一张坚强的脸，一张漂亮的脸，他必须让他来拍这部电影。
Sergei can also slow down.
谢尔盖也可以放慢速度。
He can also make clear.
他也能说清楚。
He tells the kid to [BLEEP] off.
他告诉孩子[BLEEP]关掉。
But the kid is slippery, and somehow between saying no and pushing the door closed, Sergei finds that the kid is in his house.
但这个孩子很狡猾，不知何故，在拒绝和关上门之间，谢尔盖发现孩子在他的房子里。
He's already making his movie, running his camera without any permission.
他已经在制作他的电影了，在未经任何许可的情况下运行他的相机。
And from behind the camera, still telling Sergei about his face.
在镜头后面，仍然向谢尔盖讲述他的脸。
That it's full of feeling.
那就是充满了感觉。
That it's tender.
就是它很温柔。
Suddenly the kid spots Sergei's goldfish flitting around in its big glass jar in his kitchen.
突然，孩子发现谢尔盖的金鱼在厨房的大玻璃罐里游来游去。
The kid with the earring starts screaming goldfish, goldfish.
戴耳环的孩子开始尖叫金鱼，金鱼。
He's so excited.
他太兴奋了。
And this, this really pressures Sergei, who tells the kid, "It's nothing.
这确实给谢尔盖带来了压力，他告诉孩子：“没什么。
Just a regular goldfish.
就是一条普通的金鱼。
Stop filming it.
别拍了
Just a goldfish," Sergei tells him.
只是一条金鱼，”谢尔盖告诉他。
Just something he found flapping around in the net, a deep sea goldfish.
他发现了一条在网中扑腾的东西，一条深海金鱼。
But the boy isn't listening.
但男孩不听。
He's still filming, and getting closer, and saying something about talking and fish and a magic wish.
他仍在拍摄，并且越来越近，并说了一些关于说话、钓鱼和魔法愿望的事情。
Sergei doesn't like this.
谢尔盖不喜欢这样。
Doesn't like that the boy is almost at it, already reaching for the jar.
不喜欢的是男孩快要动手了，已经伸手去拿罐子了。
In this instance, Sergei understands the boy didn't come for television.
在这种情况下，谢尔盖明白这个男孩不是来看电视的。
What he came for specifically is to snatch Sergei's fish, to steal it away.
他来的目的就是为了抢谢尔盖的鱼，把它偷走。
Before the mind of Sergei [?
在谢尔盖的脑海中[？
Garalik ?] really understands what it is his body has done, he seems to have taken the burner off the stove and hit the boy in the head.
加拉利克？]真的明白他的身体做了什么，他似乎把炉子从炉子上拿下来，击中了男孩的头部。
The boy falls.
男孩摔倒了。
The camera falls with him.
相机跟着他一起掉下来。
The camera breaks open on the floor, along with the boy's skull.
相机在地板上裂开，男孩的头骨也随之裂开。
There's a lot of blood coming out of that head.
大量的血从那个脑袋里流出来。
And Sergei really doesn't know what to do.
谢尔盖真的不知道该怎么办。
That is, he knows exactly what to do, but it really would complicate things.
也就是说，他清楚地知道该怎么做，但这确实会使事情变得复杂。
Because if he brings this kid to the hospital, people are going to ask what happened.
因为如果他带这个孩子去医院，人们会问发生了什么事。
And it would take things in a direction Sergei doesn't want to go.
这会让事情朝着谢尔盖不愿意的方向发展。
"No reason to take him to the hospital anyway," says the goldfish in Russian.
“无论如何，没有理由带他去医院。”金鱼用俄语说道。
"That one's already dead."
“那个人已经死了。”
"He can't be dead," Sergei says with a moan.
“他不可能死，”谢尔盖呻吟着说道。
"I barely popped him.
“我差点就把他打倒了。
It's only a burner, only a little thing." Sergei holds it up to the fish, taps it against his own skull to prove it.
这只是一个燃烧器，只是一个小东西。”谢尔盖把它举到鱼面前，用它敲击自己的头骨来证明这一点。
It's not even that hard.
这甚至没有那么难。
"Maybe not," says the fish.
“也许不是，”鱼说。
"But apparently, it's harder than that kid's head."
“不过显然，它比那小子的脑袋还硬。”
"He wanted to take you from me," Sergei says almost crying.
“他想把你从我身边夺走，”谢尔盖几乎哭了。
"Nonsense," the fish says.
“胡说，”鱼说。
"He was only here to make a little nothing for TV."
“他来这里只是为了为电视赚点小钱。”
"But he said--" "He said," says the fish interrupting, "exactly what he was doing but you didn't get it.
“但是他说——” “他说，”鱼打断道，“正是他在做的事情，但你不明白。
Honestly, your Hebrew, it's terrible."
老实说，你的希伯来语，这太可怕了。”
"Yours is better?" Sergei says.
“你的更好一些？”谢尔盖说。
"Yours is so great?"
“你的有这么厉害吗？”
"Yes, mine's super great," the goldfish says, sounding impatient.
“是的，我的超级棒。”金鱼说道，听起来很不耐烦。
"I'm a magic fish.
“我是一条神奇的鱼。
I'm fluent in everything."
我什么都精通。”
All the while, the puddle of blood from the earring kid's head is getting bigger and bigger, and Sergei is on his toes up against the kitchen wall desperate not to step in it, to get blood on his feet.
与此同时，戴耳环的孩子头上的血泊越来越大，谢尔盖把脚趾靠在厨房的墙上，拼命不踩到血，以免脚上沾满血。
"You do have one wish left," the fish reminds Sergei.
“你还剩下一个愿望，”鱼提醒谢尔盖。
He says it easy like that, as if Sergei doesn't know.
他说得那么简单，就好像谢尔盖不知道一样。
As is either of them ever loses count.
因为他们中的任何一个都失去了计数。
"No," Sergei says.
“不，”谢尔盖说。
He's shaking his head from side to side.
他左右摇头。
"I can't," he says.
“我不能，”他说。
"I've been saving it.
“我一直在保存它。
Saving it for something."
把它存起来做点什么。”
"For what?" the fish says.
“为了什么？”鱼说。
But Sergei won't answer.
但谢尔盖不会回答。
That first wish Sergei used when they discovered a cancer in his sister.
当谢尔盖的妹妹发现癌症时，他的第一个愿望就是这个。
A lung cancer.
肺癌。
The kind you don't get better from.
那种你不会好起来的。
The fish undid it in an instant, the words barely out of Sergei's mouth.
鱼瞬间就把它解开了，这句话几乎是从谢尔盖嘴里说出来的。
The second wish Sergei used up five years before on Svetia's boy.
五年前，谢尔盖在斯维蒂亚的儿子身上实现了第二个愿望。
The kid was still small then, barely three, but the doctors already knew something in her son's head wasn't right.
那时孩子还很小，才三岁，但医生已经知道她儿子脑子里有些不对劲。
He was going to grow big, but not in the brain.
他会长大，但大脑却不会。
Three was about as smart as he'd get.
三号已经和他一样聪明了。
Svetia cried to Sergei in bed all night.
斯维蒂亚整晚都在床上向谢尔盖哭泣。
Sergei walked home along the beach when the sun came up and he called to the fish, asked the goldfish to fix it as soon as he'd crossed through the door.
太阳升起时，谢尔盖沿着海滩走回家，他一进门就呼唤金鱼，要求金鱼把它修好。
He never told Svetia.
他从未告诉过斯维蒂亚。
And a few months later she left him for some cop, a Moroccan with a shiny Honda.
几个月后，她离开了他，去找了一个警察，一个摩洛哥人，开着一辆闪亮的本田车。
In his heart, Sergei kept telling himself it wasn't for Svetia that he'd done it.
谢尔盖在心里不断地告诉自己，他不是为了斯维蒂亚才这么做的。
That he'd wished his wish purely the boy.
他的愿望纯粹是为了那个男孩。
In his mind, he was less sure.
在他心里，他不太确定。
And all kinds of thoughts about other things he could have done with that wish continued to gnaw at him, half driving him mad.
各种关于他本可以用这个愿望做的其他事情的想法继续折磨着他，让他快要发疯了。
The third wish, Sergei hadn't yet wished for.
第三个愿望，谢尔盖还没有实现。
"I can restore him," says the gold fish.
“我可以救活他，”金鱼说。
"I can bring him back to life."
“我可以让他复活。”
"No one's asking," Sergei says.
“没有人问，”谢尔盖说。
"I can bring him back to the moment before," the goldfish says.
“我可以把他带回到之前的那一刻，”金鱼说。
"To before he knocks on your door.
“在他敲你的门之前。
I can put him back to right there.
我可以把他放回原处。
I can do it.
我能做到。
All you need to do is ask."
你需要做的就是问。”
"To wish my wish," Sergei says.
“实现我的愿望，”谢尔盖说。
"My last."
“我的最后一次。”
The fish swishes his tail back and forth in the water, the way he does, Sergei knows, when he's truly excited.
谢尔盖知道，鱼在水中来回摆动尾巴，当他真正兴奋时，就会这样做。
The goldfish can already taste freedom.
金鱼已经尝到了自由的滋味。
Sergei can see it on him.
谢尔盖可以在他身上看到这一点。
After the last wish, Sergei won't have a choice.
在完成最后的愿望之后，谢尔盖别无选择。
He'll have to let the goldfish go.
他必须放掉金鱼。
His magic goldfish.
他的魔法金鱼。
His friend.
他的朋友。
"It's fixable," Sergei says.
“这是可以修复的，”谢尔盖说。
"I'll just mop up the blood.
“我去擦掉血迹就可以了。
A good sponge and it will be like it never was."
一块好海绵，它会像以前一样。”
That tail just goes back and forth.
那条尾巴只是来回摆动。
The fish's head steady.
鱼头稳稳的。
Sergei takes a deep breath.
谢尔盖深吸了一口气。
He steps out into the middle of the kitchen, out into that puddle.
他走到厨房中间，走进那个水坑。
"When I'm fishing, while it's dark and the world's asleep," he says, half to himself and half to the fish.
“当我钓鱼的时候，天黑了，世界都睡着了，”他一半对自己一半对鱼说道。
"I'll tie the kid to a rock and dump him in the sea.
“我会把这孩子绑在一块岩石上，然后把他扔进海里。
Not a chance, not in a million years will anyone ever find him."
没有机会，一百万年内也没有人能找到他。”
"You killed him, Sergei, the goldfish says.
“你杀了他，谢尔盖，”金鱼说。
"You murdered someone.
“你杀了人。
But you're not a murderer." The goldfish stops swishing his tail.
但你不是杀人犯。”金鱼不再摇尾巴了。
"If on this you won't waste a wish, then tell me, Sergei, what is it good for?"
“如果你不会在这上面浪费一个愿望，那么告诉我，谢尔盖，这有什么好处？”
It was in Bethlehem, actually, that Yonatan found his Arab, a handsome man who used his first wish for peace.
实际上，约纳坦是在伯利恒找到了他的阿拉伯人，一个英俊的男人，他实现了他对和平的第一个愿望。
His name was Munir.
他的名字叫穆尼尔。
He was fat with a big white mustache.
他很胖，留着白色的大胡子。
Super photogenic.
超级上镜。
It was moving the way he said it.
他说话的方式很感人。
Perfect, the way in which Munir wished his wish.
完美，穆尼尔实现愿望的方式。
Yoni knew right while he was filming that this guy would be his promo for sure.
约尼在拍摄时就知道这个人肯定会成为他的宣传片。
Either him or that Russian.
要么是他，要么是那个俄罗斯人。
The one that looked straight into the camera and said if he ever found a talking goldfish, he wouldn't ask of it a single thing.
那个直视镜头的人说，如果他发现一条会说话的金鱼，他不会问它任何事情。
He'd just stick it on a shelf in a big glass jar and talk to him all day.
他只是把它放在一个大玻璃罐里的架子上，然后整天和他说话。
Didn't matter about what.
无关紧要什么。
Maybe sports, maybe politics.
也许是体育，也许是政治。
Whatever a goldfish was interested in chatting about.
无论金鱼有兴趣谈论什么。
Anything, the Russian said, not to be alone.
俄罗斯人说，无论如何，不要孤单。
Etgar Keret's newest book in English is called The Girl on the Fridge and Other Stories .
埃特加·凯雷特（Etgar Keret）的最新英文书名为《冰箱上的女孩和其他故事》。
This story was translated by Nathan Englander.
这个故事由内森·英格兰德翻译。
Today, while Ira was in Georgia, our program was produced by Jane Feltes with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Sara Koenig, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, and Alissa Shipp.
今天，当艾拉在佐治亚州时，我们的节目由 Jane Feltes 与 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Sara Koenig、Jonathan Menjivar、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semien 和 Alissa Shipp 一起制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Seth Lind is our production manager.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的生产经理。
Emily Condon is our office manager.
艾米丽·康登 (Emily Condon) 是我们的办公室经理。
Production help from Eric Mennel.
埃里克·门内尔 (Eric Mennel) 提供制作帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
Management oversight for our show by our boss, Torey Malatia, and editorial oversight by our other boss, Ira Glass, a man who is scrupulous about staying well-hydrated, but somehow is also tragically conflicted about it.
我们的老板托里·马拉蒂亚（Torey Malatia）对我们的节目进行管理监督，而另一位老板艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）则负责编辑监督，他非常注重保持充足的水分，但不知何故也对此感到悲惨地矛盾。
I don't want a drink.
我不想喝酒。
But I need a drink.
但我需要喝一杯。
I need a drink!
我需要喝一杯！
Now!
现在！
More stories from This American Life next week, like we always do about this time.
下周会有更多来自《美国生活》的故事，就像我们每次都会做的那样。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。