419: Petty Tyrant - This American Life

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Prologue Ira Glass Steve Raucci.

序言 艾拉·格拉斯 史蒂夫·劳奇。

Let's just start with something that Steve Raucci was really good at-- cutting energy costs.

让我们从史蒂夫·劳奇真正擅长的事情开始——削减能源成本。

He was legendary.

他是传奇人物。

If you worked in the Schenectady School District, you knew that if you wanted to turn on extra lights or make some illicit toast in your classroom, there'd be hell to pay.

如果你在斯克内克塔迪学区工作，你就会知道，如果你想在教室里打开额外的灯或做一些非法的吐司，你将付出高昂的代价。

Unauthorized coffee makers, microwaves-- forbidden.

禁止使用未经授权的咖啡机、微波炉。

I never saw this happen, but I heard reports of people's electric cords being just cut at the source so that they couldn't be used again.

我从未见过这种情况发生，但我听说有人的电线被从源头上切断，以致无法再次使用。

Just physically snipped in half.

只是身体上被切成两半。

So we didn't want to cause trouble, so we just tried to live reasonably.

所以我们不想惹麻烦，所以我们只是尽量合理地生活。

At one point, Richard Agnello, a special education teacher, was working in the middle school and had this little office with no heat-- none.

理查德·阿涅洛（Richard Agnello）是一名特殊教育老师，曾在一所中学工作，他的办公室很小，没有暖气——没有。

In winter, it would be 56 degrees in there.

冬天的话，那里的温度是56度。

He borrowed a thermometer from a science classroom to check.

他从科学教室借了一个温度计来检查。

He asked for heat repeatedly.

他反复要求取暖。

Nothing happened, so he broke the rules, brought in a little space heater, which he would hide in a file cabinet at night.

没有发生任何事情，所以他打破了规则，带来了一个小加热器，晚上他会把它藏在文件柜里。

So one winter morning, he gets to work, and he turns on the space heater, hangs up his coat.

一个冬天的早晨，他去上班，打开暖气，挂好外套。

Suddenly, Steve Raucci walks in and sees the heater.

突然，史蒂夫·劳奇走进来，看到了加热器。

Eyes bulging, and veins on his head throbbing.

眼睛瞪得大大的，头上的青筋在跳动。

Started yelling at me and saying, what are you doing with that space heater here?

开始对我大喊大叫，说，你在这里用空间加热器做什么？

You're not supposed to have that here?

你不应该把它放在这里吗？

That's against district policy.

这违反了地区政策。

And I-- kind of taken aback that someone would get this upset over a little heat in the room.

我有点惊讶有人会因为房间里有点热而感到如此不安。

And I said, you know what?

我说，你知道吗？

You're right.

你说得对。

And I'm not trying to be a scofflaw, but look at my thermometer.

我并不是想成为一个违法者，但看看我的温度计。

It's 57 degrees in here.

这里有57度。

And he didn't have much to say.

而他也没什么可说的。

He sputtered and fumed and said, well, you've got to get rid of that.

他气急败坏地说，好吧，你必须摆脱它。

The next day, Agnello is walking up a flight of stairs, and sees a maintenance worker coming down the stairs.

第二天，阿涅洛正走上一段楼梯，看到一名维修工人走下楼梯。

He's carrying my space heater in an arm, cradled like a football, and he's running down the stairs.

他手臂上抱着我的小型取暖器，像一个足球一样抱着我，然后跑下楼梯。

And I saw him from about half a flash away, and I said, hey, what are you doing with my space heater?

我一闪就看到了他，我说，嘿，你在用我的小型取暖器做什么？

And he said, don't talk to me.

他说，别跟我说话。

Don't talk to me.

别跟我说话。

Talk to my boss.

和我的老板谈谈。

And he ran out the front door, ran past me, jumped into the district van that was parked outside, and tore away from the building, just spewing rocks as he went.

他跑出前门，从我身边跑过，跳进停在外面的警用货车，冲出大楼，边走边喷出石块。

I got the thing tucked under my arm and I'm going down the stairs--

我把东西夹在腋下，然后下楼——

That's John Lapointe Jr, the district electrician who'd been sent to remedy this very, very serious space heater infraction.

他就是小约翰·拉普安特 (John Lapointe Jr)，他是地区电工，被派去解决这起非常非常严重的空间加热器违规问题。

And this guy goes-- right at the bottom of the stairs, I'm heading out to my truck-- hey, that's my space heater.

这个人走了——就在楼梯的底部，我正走向我的卡车——嘿，那是我的小型取暖器。

Where you going with that?

你要去哪里？

I go, you got to talk to facilities.

我走了，你得和设施谈谈。

You know, Steve Raucci in facilities.

你知道，史蒂夫·劳奇在设施方面。

And I just kept going.

我就继续前进。

For the people who worked under Steve Raucci, this story's a dime a dozen.

对于史蒂夫·劳奇 (Steve Raucci) 手下的工作人员来说，这样的故事屡见不鲜。

And it's got all the hallmarks of Raucci's style-- the temper, the fanatical control over every single detail around him, the pettiness, the comic strip antics, even the fact that workers were forbidden to talk to teachers when they were out on a job.

它具有劳奇风格的所有特征——脾气、对周围每一个细节的狂热控制、琐碎、漫画式的滑稽动作，甚至禁止工人在外出工作时与老师交谈。

Schenectady School District has a good reputation academically, and the people in town knew the usual things about their schools-- the test scores, the good teachers, the budget fights.

斯克内克塔迪学区在学术上享有良好的声誉，镇上的人们都知道他们学校的常见情况——考试成绩、优秀的老师、预算斗争。

What they didn't know was that a huge scandal was slowly coming to a boil in one of the least likely places, down Norwood Avenue, along the side of Mount Pleasant Middle School, behind the high chain link fence surrounding a parking lot filled with trucks and vans, an area called the pen.

他们不知道的是，一场巨大的丑闻正在一个最不可能的地方慢慢沸腾，沿着诺伍德大道，沿着芒特普莱森特中学的一侧，在一个停满卡车和货车的停车场周围的高高的铁丝围栏后面，这个区域被称为围栏。

Alongside the pen there's a big garage where they store lawn mowers and tons of supplies.

围栏旁边有一个大车库，里面存放割草机和大量的用品。

That's where the workers hang out-- the custodians and the maintenance guys.

那是工人们——保管员和维修人员——闲逛的地方。

They were Steve Raucci's subjects who, only half-jokingly, called Steve the "King," or the "Doctor," or sometimes even just "God." Everybody who worked for him has an example of something that he did, something just off enough they've never forgotten it.

他们是史蒂夫·劳奇的臣民，他们半开玩笑地称史蒂夫为“国王”或“医生”，有时甚至只是“上帝”。每个为他工作过的人都有他所做过的事情的例子，一些他们永远不会忘记的事情。

When I was in the restroom, he slid newspapers on fire underneath the door.

当我在洗手间时，他把着火的报纸从门底下塞进去。

He had eggs.

他有鸡蛋。

I have chickens, so I'd bring eggs in for the guys.

我养了鸡，所以我会给大家带鸡蛋。

And he saw them in the fridge or something.

他在冰箱或其他地方看到了它们。

He goes, oh, here.

他走了，哦，这里。

He makes the gal-- his secretary-- pick who he throws the egg at.

他让女孩——他的秘书——选择他把鸡蛋扔给谁。

She didn't want to pick anybody.

她不想选择任何人。

I was on my way home one day, and I see something smoking in the middle of the road as I'm approaching it with my van.

有一天，我在回家的路上，当我开着货车接近它时，看到路中间有东西在冒烟。

And all of a sudden, this thing goes ba-boom.

突然之间，这件事变得轰轰烈烈。

Scared the living daylights out of me.

把我吓得魂飞魄散。

You know what I mean?

你知道我的意思？

This thing, when it went off, it shook the whole area.

这东西，一响，震动了整个区域。

So I come to work the next morning.

于是我第二天早上就来上班。

Steve's sitting there.

史蒂夫坐在那里。

He starts asking me, so anything exciting happen, or anything unusual happen?

他开始问我，有什么令人兴奋的事情发生，或者有什么不寻常的事情发生吗？

And I'm like, it was you?

我想，是你吗？

From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.

来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today on our program, how one guy came to be untouchable, how he grabbed power and dominated everybody around him, sometimes with fear, sometimes cruelty, playing by rules that he invented.

今天在我们的节目中，一个人如何变得不可触碰，他如何夺取权力并统治他周围的每个人，有时带着恐惧，有时残酷，按照他发明的规则行事。

And how people all around him, including people with the power to stop him, let it happen.

以及他周围的人，包括有能力阻止他的人，是如何让这一切发生的。

And what's so interesting about this is that all the intrigue and drama did not happen in a setting like national politics or big business.

有趣的是，所有的阴谋和戏剧都不是在国家政治或大企业这样的背景下发生的。

This guy wasn't a Harvey Weinstein with the power to make somebody a movie star.

这家伙不是哈维·韦恩斯坦（Harvey Weinstein）那样有能力让某人成为电影明星。

This is a study in tyranny writ small, Machiavellian scheming in the maintenance office of school district.

这是对学区维护办公室的暴政、马基雅维利式阴谋的研究。

Act One of today's show is about what it was like at the height of Steve Raucci's power.

今天节目的第一幕讲述的是史蒂夫·劳奇权力鼎盛时期的情况。

Act Two is about how he fell.

第二幕讲述他是如何跌倒的。

We first broadcast today's show years ago, when all this happened.

我们第一次播出今天的节目是在几年前，当时这一切都发生了。

This week is the 10th anniversary of Raucci's arrest.

本周是劳奇被捕十周年。

And he just did an interview with a reporter about what happened where he says some things he's never said.

他刚刚接受了一位记者的采访，讲述了发生的事情，他说了一些他从未说过的话。

Some details of that at the end of the program.

程序末尾有一些详细信息。

The reporter for our story is Sarah Koenig, who later became the host of the podcast Serial.

我们故事的记者是莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig），她后来成为播客 Serial 的主持人。

And let's get right to it.

让我们开始吧。

Here's Sarah Koenig.

请听莎拉·柯尼格的报道。

Of course there are tyrannical, manipulative bullies everywhere, but Steve Raucci was special, a virtuoso.

当然，到处都有残暴、操纵性强的恶霸，但史蒂夫·劳奇很特别，他是一位艺术大师。

Schenectady County District Attorney Bob Carney is something of an expert on tough characters of all kinds.

斯克内克塔迪县地方检察官鲍勃·卡尼（Bob Carney）是各种强硬角色的专家。

Since he's been DA, he's overseen the convictions of more than 80 murderers.

自从担任地方检察官以来，他监督了 80 多名杀人犯的定罪。

And some of them did unspeakably bad things.

还有一些人还做了一些难以形容的坏事。

But in terms of a person who bullies people, and studies the art of intimidation and coercion, I don't think there's anybody that compares with him because he made it the theme and the focus of his life.

但对于一个欺负人、研究恐吓和胁迫艺术的人来说，我认为没有人能与他相比，因为他把它作为他生活的主题和焦点。

What also makes the Raucci affair unusual is that he got away with it, quietly, for decades.

劳奇事件的不同寻常之处还在于，他几十年来一直默默地逍遥法外。

So that when he was finally arrested in February of 2009, charged with 26 felonies from weapons possession, to arson, to terrorism, the citizens of Schenectady were incredulous.

因此，当他最终于 2009 年 2 月被捕并被指控犯有从持有武器到纵火到恐怖主义等 26 项重罪时，斯克内克塔迪的公民都感到难以置信。

Carl Strock, a writer for the Schenectady Daily Gazette, wrote dozens of columns about the case.

《斯克内克塔迪每日公报》的撰稿人卡尔·斯特罗克（Carl Strock）撰写了数十篇有关此案的专栏文章。

And he's not someone who ever thought the school district could yield interesting news.

他从来没有想过学区会带来有趣的消息。

Not only Schenectady School District, but any school district around here that I've heard of-- these are boring, boring places for a journalist.

不仅是斯克内克塔迪学区，还有我听说过的这附近的任何学区——对于记者来说，这些都是无聊、无聊的地方。

If a clerk sometimes embezzles $20 from the petty cash drawer, that would be a big event in a school district.

如果一名职员有时从零用钱抽屉里挪用 20 美元，这在学区会是一件大事。

School districts attract-- you know, it's kind of noble-minded people.

学区吸引的是——你知道，这是一种高尚的人。

And so my first reaction, and I think everybody's, was wow.

所以我的第一反应，我想每个人的第一反应都是哇。

How could this happen?

怎么会发生这种事？

How can you have a mid-level employee in the school district being sort of a terrorist, really?

学区的中层员工怎么可能是恐怖分子呢？

Vandalizing people's houses, threatening them bodily, and grabbing them physically, humiliating them.

破坏人们的房屋，威胁他们的身体，抓住他们的身体，羞辱他们。

And all this that had been going on for years, how could this have happened?

而这一切都已经发生了很多年，怎么会发生这种事？

Steve Raucci grew up in Schenectady.

史蒂夫·劳奇 (Steve Raucci) 在斯克内克塔迪长大。

It's a small, mostly working class, middle class city about three hours north of Manhattan.

这是一个小城市，主要是工人阶级和中产阶级，位于曼哈顿以北约三小时车程。

He started working in the district in 1973, making $3.12 an hour as a laborer.

1973 年，他开始在该地区工作，每小时挣 3.12 美元。

He worked his way up to groundskeeper, then maintenance guy.

他一路晋升为场地管理员，然后是维修工。

And by the time his career ended 36 years later, he was in charge of all 21 of the district school buildings.

36 年后，当他的职业生涯结束时，他负责管理该地区所有 21 栋校舍。

He was 60 years old, married to his third wife, Shelley, no children, living in a modest condo.

他当时 60 岁，与第三任妻子雪莱结婚，没有孩子，住在一套简陋的公寓里。

The stories people tell about Steve's behavior-- and there are probably hundreds of stories-- fall into a few categories.

人们讲述的关于史蒂夫行为的故事——可能有数百个故事——分为几类。

First, humiliating hijinks.

首先，羞辱性的狂欢。

Second, insatiable control.

二是控制欲无足轻重。

And third, retribution-- reserved for those who didn't react well to the first and second categories.

第三，报复——保留给那些对第一类和第二类反应不佳的人。

I talked to John Lapointe Jr, the electrician, Ellen Frederick, Steve's former secretary, Bryan Schaeffer, a district carpenter, and a few other people who didn't want their names used.

我与电工小约翰·拉普安特 (John Lapointe Jr)、史蒂夫的前秘书埃伦·弗雷德里克 (Ellen Frederick)、地区木匠布莱恩·谢弗 (Bryan Schaeffer) 以及其他一些不愿透露姓名的人进行了交谈。

They all said that humiliation was a daily event, and often creepily sexual.

他们都说羞辱是家常便饭，而且常常是令人毛骨悚然的性羞辱。

Here's Ellen Frederick.

这是艾伦·弗雷德里克。

He walked around my desk, and walked behind me, pretended to grab my hair, pretending to drag me in his office, and bend me over his desk, and proceeded to-- he simulated-- we got it.

他绕过我的桌子，走到我身后，假装抓住我的头发，假装把我拖进他的办公室，把我压在他的桌子上，然后继续——他假装——我们明白了。

We knew exactly what he was doing.

我们清楚地知道他在做什么。

And then there was the so-called man game.

然后就是所谓的男人游戏。

He'd put his hand on a guy's thigh, and kind of jokingly wait for any sort of reaction from the person.

他会把手放在一个人的大腿上，然后开玩笑地等待这个人的任何反应。

Just because if you enjoyed that, perhaps you'd be gay.

只是因为如果你喜欢那样，也许你就会成为同性恋。

Once he asked a young employee to show me a picture of his girlfriend, who was beautiful.

有一次，他让一位年轻员工给我看一张他女朋友的照片，她很漂亮。

So the guy did.

于是那家伙就这么做了。

The picture was on his phone.

照片就在他手机里。

And Steve asked him to email it to him, and the guy said no. Steve asked again.

史蒂夫让他通过电子邮件将其发送给他，但那家伙拒绝了。史蒂夫再次问道。

And the kid said no. And then Steve suggested that if he so wanted that raise they'd talked about, he would send the photo.

然后孩子说不。然后史蒂夫建议，如果他真的想要他们谈论的加薪，他就会发送照片。

So the guy did.

于是那家伙就这么做了。

The next morning, a big blown-up copy of it was taped to the office whiteboard, along with a caption too disgusting to repeat.

第二天早上，办公室的白板上贴了一份放大的大副本，还有一个令人厌恶的标题，无法重复。

The kid was horrified.

孩子吓坏了。

Steve's answer was, I didn't know you were coming in today.

史蒂夫的回答是，我不知道你今天会进来。

I thought you were off.

我还以为你走了呢

If you were out to breakfast with Steve-- and a core group of employees was compelled to attend these breakfasts-- he might pour a shaker of salt in your coffee when your back was turned, or sneak up on you in the bathroom and steal your glasses.

如果你和史蒂夫一起出去吃早餐——而一群核心员工被迫参加这些早餐——他可能会在你转身时在你的咖啡里倒一瓶盐，或者在浴室里偷偷靠近你，偷走你的眼镜。

Steve would open your paycheck and write something embarrassing on the back, or even the front.

史蒂夫会打开你的薪水支票，在背面甚至正面写上一些令人尴尬的内容。

At morning meetings-- sometimes hour-long affairs at which Steve would read aggressive, prepared remarks, Soviet-style, to the 20 or so guys gathered-- he might bring up your personal problems, how your marriage was on the rocks, your wife cheating on you, apropos of nothing.

在早上的会议上——有时长达一个小时的会议上，史蒂夫会向聚集的大约20个人宣读苏联风格的、咄咄逼人的、事先准备好的言论——他可能会毫无缘由地提出你的个人问题，你的婚姻如何触礁，你的妻子对你不忠。

An older guy who'd since retired from the school told me, you can say a lot of it was funny, but it was funny like this.

一位从学校退休的老家伙告诉我，你可以说很多事情都很有趣，但像这样就很有趣。

We were at a restaurant and he took his beer bottle and put the base of it halfway across the edge of the table, so it was teetering.

我们在一家餐馆，他拿起啤酒瓶，把它的底部放在桌子边缘的一半处，所以它摇摇欲坠。

At any moment, crash.

随时都会崩溃。

And then it was a disaster, he said.

他说，这就是一场灾难。

You don't do stuff like this-- slide flaming newsprint under a door, or pretend to have sex with your secretary-- unless you're sure you can get away with it.

你不会做这样的事——把燃烧的新闻纸从门缝里塞进去，或者假装和你的秘书发生性关系——除非你确信你能逃脱惩罚。

Steve was sure.

史蒂夫确信。

He was methodical and utterly in charge.

他做事有条不紊，完全负责。

For one thing, he controlled work assignments for the 110 people he managed, and treated his department like a combination of an army unit and a fourth-grade classroom.

一方面，他控制着他所管理的 110 名员工的工作分配，并将他的部门视为军队和四年级教室的结合体。

If you messed up one of his many rules, even in a small way, he'd make you write, I will not do such and such, over and over on that whiteboard every day.

如果你搞砸了他的众多规则中的一条，即使是很小的一点，他也会让你每天在白板上一遍又一遍地写，我不会做这样那样的事情。

You were supposed to arrive at 6:55 AM.

你应该在早上 6:55 到达。

If you came in at 7:00, the official start of the workday, he'd make you sign in late up at the admin office, in a different building a few streets away.

如果你在工作日的正式开始时间 7:00 上班，他会让你在几条街之外的另一栋大楼里的行政办公室登记到很晚。

Ellen Frederick, his secretary, was a favorite of Steve's for a while.

他的秘书埃伦·弗雷德里克（Ellen Frederick）一度是史蒂夫最喜欢的人。

She was the Faye Ray to his King Kong, except that he's actually a small, trim, chiseled guy who wore a brown weave in his gray hair until he had to shave it for prison.

她是他饰演的金刚中的费伊·雷，只不过他实际上是一个身材矮小、身材修长、轮廓分明的家伙，灰色的头发上编着棕色的辫子，直到他因入狱而不得不剃光头发。

Ellen was such a favorite that she even talked back to him sometimes.

艾伦非常受人喜爱，有时甚至会跟他顶嘴。

At meals, she always had to be at his side.

吃饭的时候，她总是要陪在他身边。

He'd assign everyone else seats, as well.

他也会给其他人分配座位。

He'd tell her how he liked her to look-- hair, long and curly, skirts short, leggings.

他会告诉她他喜欢她的样子——长而卷曲的头发，短裙，紧身裤。

Sometimes the staff was told they weren't allowed to talk to her.

有时工作人员被告知不准与她交谈。

She was his alone.

她是他一个人的。

But eventually, even she crossed him.

但最终，连她也与他发生了冲突。

And if you crossed Steve, you were done.

如果你惹恼了史蒂夫，你就完了。

She and a couple of other people in the office were having a casual conversation one day about romantic types.

有一天，她和办公室里的其他几个人正在随意谈论浪漫类型。

Steve asked Ellen what she meant, so she explained.

史蒂夫问艾伦她的意思，她解释道。

You know what I mean.

你知道我的意思。

You like Susan Lucci.

你喜欢苏珊·卢奇。

He was obsessed with Susan Lucci.

他迷恋苏珊·卢奇。

He loved her.

他爱她。

He had pictures of her underneath his little desk, his blotter.

他的小桌子和记事本下面放着她的照片。

And I said, well, you're not my type.

我说，好吧，你不是我喜欢的类型。

I like Matthew McConaughey.

我喜欢马修·麦康纳。

He's my type, whatever.

无论如何，他是我喜欢的类型。

Well, you thought that I just told him I put the knife right in his heart.

好吧，你以为我只是告诉他我把刀插进了他的心脏。

His face turned beet red.

他的脸涨得通红。

His veins popped out of his neck.

他的血管从脖子上突出来。

I mean, he couldn't even talk.

我的意思是，他甚至无法说话。

He was just like, OK, that's enough.

他只是说，好吧，够了。

We're done here.

我们到这里就完成了。

So that was it.

就是这样。

Two weeks later I was in a different office.

两周后我在另一个办公室。

Ellen was moved to a different building, different department, no questions asked.

艾伦被调到另一栋大楼、不同的部门，没有提出任何问题。

It wasn't a demotion, but it wasn't what she wanted.

虽然不是降职，但这也不是她想要的。

Other than Steve, she really liked her job in the maintenance department, had a lot of friends there.

除了史蒂夫之外，她真的很喜欢维护部门的工作，在那里有很多朋友。

Administrators told her they were moving her for her own protection.

管理人员告诉她，他们将她转移是为了保护她自己。

They didn't explain what they meant.

他们没有解释他们的意思。

She told me she later heard Steve had threatened her at a meeting with administrators, saying if she doesn't go quietly, she knows what's going to happen to her, her house, and her family.

她告诉我，她后来听说史蒂夫在一次与管理人员的会议上威胁她，说如果她不安静地离开，她知道她、她的房子和她的家人会发生什么。

And all this time, no one said anything because if they did, they knew they'd face the same sort of retribution from Steve.

一直以来，没有人说什么，因为如果他们说了，他们知道他们将面临史蒂夫同样的报复。

People said they were afraid to talk sometimes for fear they'd accidentally say the wrong thing.

人们说他们有时不敢说话，因为担心自己会不小心说错话。

Someone would report it back to Steve.

有人会将此事报告给史蒂夫。

He openly encouraged reporting back, rewarding gossip with time off or overtime pay.

他公开鼓励汇报，用休假或加班费奖励八卦。

A district carpenter even made a wooden wedge of cheese which would end up in your mailbox if you'd been what Steve called a good rat.

一个地区的木匠甚至制作了一块木制的奶酪楔子，如果你是史蒂夫所说的好老鼠，它最终会出现在你的邮箱里。

Steve flaunted his vengeance, his mastery of it.

史蒂夫炫耀他的复仇精神和他的掌控能力。

At a union holiday party in 2007, everyone dressed up, having a nice time.

2007年的一次工会节日聚会上，大家盛装打扮，玩得很开心。

He stood up and asked for their attention so he could read a speech.

他站起来请求大家注意，以便他可以宣读演讲稿。

Instead of a toast to all their hard work and the fun times to come, he issued a yuletide warning.

他没有为他们的辛勤工作和即将到来的欢乐时光干杯，而是发出了圣诞警告。

If you criticize me behind my back, you will be very, very sorry.

如果你在背后批评我，你会非常非常抱歉的。

It doesn't matter if you say it while you're in a drugstore, a mall, or one of our schools.

无论您是在药店、商场还是我们的一所学校说这句话都没关系。

Unless you're talking to yourself, there's always a good chance of it leaking back to me.

除非你自言自语，否则它总是很有可能泄露给我。

Police found the text of the speech in Steve's computer when they seized it.

警方在没收史蒂夫的电脑时，在他的电脑中发现了演讲稿。

That's Bob Carney reading, the district attorney who personally prosecuted Steve.

那是鲍勃·卡尼·雷丁，亲自起诉史蒂夫的地区检察官。

So you understand how important it is for me to protect myself with my responsibilities, I will mention the names of several people in our department that I have eliminated because they found out just how protective I can be.

所以你明白，对我来说，通过自己的责任来保护自己是多么重要，我会提到我们部门中几个被我解雇的人的名字，因为他们发现了我的保护能力有多么强。

Some of you may remember them.

你们中有些人可能还记得他们。

If you're noticing a certain embattled tone, for Raucci, the maintenance department is an operatic drama of endless threats and intrigue.

如果你注意到某种四面楚歌的语气，对劳奇来说，维护部门就是一部充满无尽威胁和阴谋的歌剧。

He can't trust anyone.

他不能相信任何人。

He's constantly undermined by disloyal minions.

他不断受到不忠的爪牙的破坏。

You're either with Steve, or you're against Steve, he'd tell people.

他告诉人们，你要么支持史蒂夫，要么反对史蒂夫。

There is no, on the fence.

没有，在栅栏上。

Fence riders get hurt.

骑栅栏的人会受伤。

He'd recite lines from Goodfellas and other tough guy movies, without irony, in conversations about routine office business.

在谈论日常办公室事务时，他会毫无讽刺地背诵《好家伙》和其他硬汉电影中的台词。

In his Christmas speech, he went on to denounce a bunch of people he'd eliminated, including these guys.

在他的圣诞节演讲中，他继续谴责了他所消灭的一群人，包括这些人。

Bob Nunamacher, who was a plumber in this department who thought he was better than the people he worked with, including me.

鲍勃·努纳马赫（Bob Nunamacher）是这个部门的一名水管工，他认为自己比与他一起工作的人（包括我）更好。

He even attempted to fight my decision to get rid of him by going to our union officials at the local and the region.

他甚至试图通过去找我们在当地和该地区的工会官员来反对我除掉他的决定。

It took me one day to eliminate him and his partner who said to me he had an allegiance to him, not me.

我花了一天时间才消灭了他和他的搭档，他们对我说他效忠的是他，而不是我。

Two days later, they were both gone.

两天后，他们都走了。

Now, this was his holiday message.

现在，这是他的节日致辞。

Oh, yeah.

哦，是的。

I think it probably upped the alcohol intake for the evening.

我认为这可能会增加晚上的酒精摄入量。

The story of the plumbers was a classic case.

水管工的故事是一个经典案例。

There were two plumbers on staff.

工作人员中有两名水管工。

The senior plumber was giving Steve lip, but to get rid of him, Steve would have to get rid of the junior plumber first-- because of seniority rules.

高级水管工正在对史蒂夫说几句话，但为了摆脱他，史蒂夫必须先摆脱初级水管工——因为资历规则。

So he tried to get the junior plumber to take another position to make way for Steve to fire his partner.

因此，他试图让初级水管工担任另一个职位，以便为史蒂夫解雇他的合伙人让路。

The guy didn't want to do it.

那家伙不想这么做。

One longtime employee who didn't want his name used told me about it.

一位不愿透露姓名的长期员工向我讲述了这件事。

It disgusted him to see how easy it was for Steve to can the junior plumber.

看到史蒂夫如此轻易地就搞定了这个初级水管工，他感到很恶心。

So he got rid of him.

于是就摆脱了他。

Just that easy.

就这么简单。

And it was no challenge.

这不是什么挑战。

There was no question, either from the administration, the school board, or anything.

行政部门、学校董事会或任何其他方面都没有提出任何问题。

When it came across the table, there was just no questions.

当它摆到桌子上时，没有任何问题。

The union didn't question, this guy's got a year and a half.

工会没有质疑，这家伙还有一年半的时间。

Why are you getting rid of him all of a sudden?

为什么突然要摆脱他？

Nothing.

没有什么。

Steve justified the firings as a cost-cutting measure to the administration, saying the district didn't need any plumbers.

史蒂夫向政府证明解雇是一项削减成本的措施，称该地区不需要任何水管工。

A month later, of course, they hired another plumber.

当然，一个月后，他们又聘请了另一名水管工。

But anyone who'd stuck up for the enemy plumbers was punished.

但任何支持敌方水管工的人都会受到惩罚。

This guy, who's retired now, had taken that risk, questioning the firings to Steve's face.

这个现在已经退休的家伙冒了这个风险，当着史蒂夫的面质疑解雇的事情。

Well, I told him-- I said, I didn't think it was right.

好吧，我告诉他——我说，我认为这是不对的。

And so after you said, I don't think it's the right thing, then what happened to you?

所以在你说“我认为这是不对的”之后，那么你发生了什么？

I went to the high school.

我去了高中。

Sarah Koenig And what did it mean to be sent over to the high school?

Sarah Koenig 被送到高中意味着什么？

Well, it was just to humiliate the employee that was involved in that.

好吧，这只是为了羞辱参与其中的员工。

You would have to take out the trash.

你必须把垃圾倒掉。

You would get the worst part of the building to clean up after the kids.

在孩子们之后，你会清理大楼里最糟糕的部分。

The one part of the building that was kind of isolated, where the milk was spilt, and the chips were thrown, and food was all over the windows and things.

大楼里有点偏僻的部分，牛奶洒了，薯片扔了，食物洒满了窗户和东西。

And there's nothing wrong with doing an honest day's work, but it wasn't-- I spent my whole life getting into this position.

诚实地工作一天并没有什么错，但事实并非如此——我花了一生的时间才进入这个职位。

And now I'm demoted back to where I was 30 years ago.

现在我又回到了30年前的位置。

Yes.

是的。

Sarah Koenig And how long did your exile last?

萨拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig） 您的流亡持续了多长时间？

Seven weeks.

七个星期。

The length of time was until he felt you learned your lesson.

时间的长度是直到他觉得你吸取了教训。

Did you learn your lesson?

你吸取教训了吗？

In other words, did you speak up about things after that?

也就是说，之后的事情你有没有说出来？

No, I did not, because his big threat to me was that-- at the time, I was 51 years old.

不，我没有，因为他对我最大的威胁是——当时我51岁了。

I had 30-plus years in the school district.

我在学区呆了30多年。

Where was I going to go and get a job?

我要去哪里找工作？

What was I going to do, start over?

我要做什么，重新开始？

How was I going to afford my child support?

我该如何支付我的子女抚养费？

How was I going to support my children?

我将如何支持我的孩子？

How was I going to do things with my sons, that I enjoyed doing, without a job?

如果没有工作，我该如何和我的儿子们一起做那些我喜欢做的事情呢？

And he used that.

他用了那个。

Wait.

等待。

Are those things you were saying to yourself inside your head, or things he was saying to you?

那些话是你在脑子里对自己说的话，还是他对你说的话？

No, he was saying that to me.

不，他是对我这么说的。

Those were quotes.

这些都是引言。

I heard this over and over.

我一遍又一遍地听到这句话。

I needed my job.

我需要我的工作。

What choice did I have?

我有什么选择？

I had no one to complain to.

我没有人可以向我抱怨。

I had nowhere to go for help.

我无处可去寻求帮助。

Steve convinced his workers that he was responsible for any pleasure, any benefit that came their way, which meant he could also take it away without warning.

史蒂夫让他的员工相信，他对他们所获得的任何快乐、任何好处负有责任，这意味着他也可以在没有任何警告的情况下将其夺走。

it's the oldest trick in the tyrant playbook.

这是暴君剧本中最古老的伎俩。

Steve knew the only way he could maintain the kind of absolute control he wanted over the people below him was to be in the excellent good graces of the many bosses above him-- in the union, the school board, and the district administration.

史蒂夫知道，他能够对下属保持他想要的绝对控制的唯一方法就是得到他之上的许多老板的极好的青睐——在工会、学校董事会和地区管理部门。

Arguably, his chief talent was figuring out how to make himself indispensable to them.

可以说，他的主要才能在于弄清楚如何让自己对他们来说不可或缺。

Steve had worked in the school system so long, he knew exactly which levers to pull and in what order.

史蒂夫在学校系统工作了很长时间，他清楚地知道该拉动哪些杠杆以及按什么顺序。

He started with the union.

他从工会开始。

In the 1990s, the district's maintenance department was in bad shape.

20世纪90年代，该区的维修部门状况不佳。

It was unruly, and supervisors weren't lasting very long.

事情很不守规矩，监管者也坚持不了多久。

The district was getting lots of grievances about working conditions and pay.

该地区收到了很多关于工作条件和工资的不满。

It got so bad that the district considered getting rid of the maintenance department altogether, hiring an outside company to do the work.

情况变得如此糟糕，以至于该地区考虑完全取消维护部门，雇用一家外部公司来完成这项工作。

Back in those days, Steve Raucci was just a regular utility worker with a reputation for strangely aggressive pranks.

那时，史蒂夫·劳奇只是一名普通的公用事业工人，以奇怪的攻击性恶作剧而闻名。

He decided to run for president of his unit in the union, which is the CSEA-- Civil Service Employees Association.

他决定竞选其工会单位CSEA（公务员雇员协会）的主席。

He promised to help settle the workers problems himself, and he won.

他承诺亲自帮助解决工人的问题，他赢了。

John Lapointe, the electrician from the space heater incident, voted for Steve, even campaigned for him.

小型取暖器事件中的电工约翰·拉普安特（John Lapointe）投票给了史蒂夫，甚至为他竞选。

John's a slim, dark-haired guy with a goatee and stylish glasses.

约翰是一个身材苗条、黑发、留着山羊胡、戴着时尚眼镜的家伙。

He's in his 50s, and his son also works in the maintenance department.

他50多岁了，他的儿子也在维修部门工作。

John's a deeply nice and gentle man.

约翰是一个非常友善和温柔的人。

And yet, he became one of Steve's inner circle.

然而，他成为了史蒂夫的核心圈子之一。

John and his wife would go to dinner with Steve and his wife and a few other couples.

约翰和他的妻子会与史蒂夫和他的妻子以及其他几对夫妇共进晚餐。

You couldn't refuse these dinners.

你无法拒绝这些晚餐。

At the time, 2001, John was impressed with Steve.

2001 年，约翰对史蒂夫印象深刻。

In the beginning he was very effective, jumping on issues immediately, resolving them immediately, and he seemed like, wow, this guy's a pit bull.

一开始，他非常高效，立即解决问题，立即解决问题，他看起来就像，哇，这家伙是头斗牛犬。

You know what I mean?

你知道我的意思？

He's grabbing, growling, and getting stuff done.

他会抓东西、咆哮，然后把事情做好。

And you won't be surprised to learn that under his administration, the number of grievances from that unit went from an average of 20 to 25 a year down to zero.

你不会感到惊讶的是，在他的领导下，该单位的申诉数量从平均每年 20 到 25 起减少到零。

That's Carl Strock again, the columnist.

这又是专栏作家卡尔·斯特罗克。

There were no union grievances.

工会没有任何不满。

So this, of course, is a big advantage to the administration.

因此，这当然对政府来说是一个很大的优势。

You know, it's time consuming to deal with these grievances.

要知道，处理这些不满是很耗时的。

He was a wonderful asset.

他是一笔宝贵的财富。

As head of the union, Steve had the opportunity to gain entrance to the inner workings of the entire school district, all from his perch in the maintenance office.

作为工会主席，史蒂夫有机会进入整个学区的内部运作，而这一切都是在维护办公室进行的。

He became friendly with a guy named Jeff Janiszewski.

他和一个名叫杰夫·贾尼谢夫斯基的人成为了朋友。

They had breakfast meetings at a local chain restaurant.

他们在当地一家连锁餐厅举行了早餐会。

Janiszewski was school board president.

Janiszewski 是学校董事会主席。

But even when he wasn't on the board, Janiszewski was widely known around town as the board's kingmaker.

但即使贾尼舍夫斯基不在董事会中，他也作为董事会的拥护者而在镇上广为人知。

He chose candidates and got them elected.

他选择了候选人并让他们当选。

That's where Steve Raucci came in.

这就是史蒂夫·劳奇（Steve Raucci）登场的地方。

Their whole electioneering effort was pretty much undertaken by the O&M unit.

他们的整个竞选活动几乎都是由运维部门承担的。

That's DA Bob Carney.

那是地方检察官鲍勃·卡尼。

O and M is the operations and maintenance department, the one Raucci ran.

O and M 是运营和维护部门，由劳奇负责。

If they had phone banks at night, he would bring 20 of his guys.

如果他们晚上有电话银行，他会带 20 个人来。

The teachers would bring maybe two.

老师们可能会带两个。

They would pass out flyers.

他们会散发传单。

They would do phone banking of voters.

他们将为选民提供电话银行业务。

And overwhelmingly, it was his people.

绝大多数是他的人民。

I do believe, from what I know about electioneering, and politics, and the school board elections, that that kind of level of effort would be effective to turn an election because you're only dealing with 400 or 500 people that vote.

我确实相信，根据我对竞选、政治和学校董事会选举的了解，这种程度的努力将有效地扭转选举，因为你只与 400 或 500 名投票者打交道。

And for many years, that faction was very successful in controlling the school district, and consistently won school board elections.

多年来，该派系非常成功地控制了学区，并不断赢得学校董事会选举。

And Raucci took credit for that in memos and emails that he sent to them.

劳奇在发给他们的备忘录和电子邮件中将这一点归功于他。

Several people who worked for Raucci told me if they refused to do all this campaign grunt work, they'd most certainly be punished for it.

几个为劳奇工作的人告诉我，如果他们拒绝做所有这些竞选工作，他们肯定会因此受到惩罚。

They also told me they'd had to pass out election flyers, endorsing candidates or urging passage of the budget, door-to-door on district time, which is illegal in New York.

他们还告诉我，他们必须在选区时间挨家挨户地散发选举传单，支持候选人或敦促通过预算，这在纽约是非法的。

Steve's influence earned him yet more influence.

史蒂夫的影响力为他赢得了更大的影响力。

Two years after becoming union president, he was promoted to director of buildings and grounds for the district.

成为工会主席两年后，他被提升为该地区的建筑和场地总监。

His salary jumped from $37,500 to $67,500.

他的薪水从 37,500 美元跃升至 67,500 美元。

But he wasn't called the director, because if he officially became a director or manager of anything, that meant he couldn't also be in the union, much less run his unit, a position he very much wanted to keep.

但他并没有被称为总监，因为如果他正式成为任何事物的总监或经理，这意味着他也不能加入工会，更不用说管理他的单位了，这是他非常想保留的职位。

So on paper, he finagled the underwhelming title of, quote, "head utility worker." That way he could keep his union control.

因此，在纸面上，他巧妙地起了一个平淡无奇的头衔：“首席公用事业工人”。这样他就可以保持工会的控制权。

In addition, he wouldn't have to take the civil service exam required to qualify for a manager's job.

此外，他不必参加获得经理职位资格所需的公务员考试。

And importantly, he could still get overtime pay, which managers don't.

重要的是，他仍然可以获得加班费，而经理却没有。

I asked a former district official, who didn't want to be named, about all this, why he allowed Raucci to cut all these corners in terms of his title and his pay, while he promoted him at all considering his history.

我向一位不愿透露姓名的前地区官员询问了这一切，为什么他允许劳奇在他的头衔和薪酬方面偷工减料，同时考虑到他的历史而提拔他。

In the past, Raucci had been disciplined for taking work trucks home or disappearing on the job, and there were rumors about explosives.

过去，劳奇曾因将工作卡车带回家或在工作中失踪而受到纪律处分，并且有关于爆炸物的谣言。

An administrator's car had been set on fire, for instance, and there was talk that Raucci was involved.

例如，一名管理人员的汽车被纵火，有传言称劳奇也参与其中。

The former official sorrowfully defended his decisions.

这位前官员悲伤地为自己的决定辩护。

I believed in Steve Raucci, he told me.

“我相信史蒂夫·劳奇，”他告诉我。

The maintenance department was a tough unit, a troubled unit, and I thought he was someone who cared about the district, who would do a good job.

维修部是一个艰苦的单位，一个麻烦的单位，我以为他是一个关心小区的人，会做好工作。

I'm sorry now.

我现在很抱歉。

But it's hard to say publicly that I believed in him at the time.

但当时很难公开表示我相信他。

It's like saying you think Hitler was a good guy.

这就像说你认为希特勒是个好人。

As for the personnel file, the former official said he didn't know about all the complaints and suspicions about Steve at the time, because he never looked at the file.

至于人事档案，这位前官员表示，他当时并不知道所有针对史蒂夫的抱怨和怀疑，因为他从未看过该档案。

This part of Steve's story is the most confounding to me.

史蒂夫故事的这一部分对我来说是最令人困惑的。

How it could have happened that a boss of 110 people was also their union president, which in Steve's case meant he could threaten their jobs, prevent them from going over his head, cut off all avenues of complaint.

一个拥有 110 名员工的老板怎么可能同时担任他们的工会主席，这对史蒂夫来说意味着他可以威胁他们的工作，阻止他们超越他的权限，切断所有投诉途径。

How was such a blatant conflict of interest allowed to stand?

如此公然的利益冲突是如何存在的呢？

Some people had brought it up, and it was squelched pretty quick.

有人提出这个问题，但很快就被压制了。

Steve dealt with that very quickly.

史蒂夫很快就处理了这个问题。

John Lapointe again.

又是约翰·拉普安特。

John Lapointe Jr We actually had a meeting at CSEA headquarters in Latham, and it was explained to us that it was actually quite common for a boss to also be a union president.

John Lapointe Jr 我们实际上在莱瑟姆的 CSEA 总部召开了一次会议，并向我们解释说，老板兼任工会主席实际上很常见。

In fact, it's not that strange for a so-called straw boss to be a union president-- someone who's supervising maybe four or five people.

事实上，一个所谓的稻草老板担任工会主席并不奇怪——一个可能监督四五个人的人。

What is unheard of at CSEA, however, and probably at any union, is a union president who's an actual boss over 110 people, capable of hiring and firing at will.

然而，在 CSEA 甚至可能在任何工会中，从未听说过的是，工会主席实际上是超过 110 名员工的老板，能够随意雇用和解雇。

It seems only a couple of people tried to do anything about this.

似乎只有少数人尝试对此采取行动。

One of them was Michelle Tabbano, co-chair of the union's grievance committee for Schenectady County.

其中之一是斯克内克塔迪县工会申诉委员会联合主席米歇尔·塔巴诺(Michelle Tabbano)。

She tried hard to boot him, but she was blocked at every turn.

她努力想要踢他，却每次都被挡住。

I was part of three meetings trying to get Steve Raucci out.

我参加了三场试图让史蒂夫·劳奇离开的会议。

I knew that, with the position he was in, was a conflict of interest, and that he should have had judicial charges filed against him.

我知道，就他所处的位置而言，存在利益冲突，他应该受到司法指控。

I knew that.

我知道这一点。

So I had a meeting with Kathy Garrison.

所以我和凯西·加里森进行了会面。

Kathy Garrison is the region four president of CSEA.

凯西·加里森 (Kathy Garrison) 是 CSEA 的第四区主席。

I know Steve Raucci was there, and I told him I wanted him out of the union.

我知道史蒂夫·劳奇在那里，我告诉他我希望他退出工会。

I thought we had all evidence in the world to prove that he was part of management.

我认为我们拥有世界上所有的证据来证明他是管理层的一部分。

What more egregious thing can you have, is the union present to be in bed with the school board, with the facilities supervisor, with the attorneys?

还有什么更令人震惊的事情呢？工会在场与学校董事会、设施主管、律师同在吗？

Are you kidding me?

你在开玩笑吧？

That's who represents our members?

那就是代表我们会员的人？

Just one of those things he should have been-- you're working me all up.

这只是他应该做的事情之一——你让我全力以赴。

[LAUGHS] I'm sorry.

[笑]我很抱歉。

Tabbano took up this fight when she started getting phone calls.

当塔巴诺开始接到电话时，她开始了这场斗争。

Two, three, then six, maybe eight total-- people who worked for Steve.

两个，三个，然后六个，也许总共八个——都是为史蒂夫工作的人。

And it was always the same complaint-- bullying, belittling people, embarrassing people, threatening to fire them if they didn't do what he said.

而且总是同样的抱怨——欺凌、贬低别人、让别人难堪、威胁他们如果不按他说的做就解雇他们。

And I told them that we could file grievances, but I needed them to give me their name and we could talk about it, so-- but nobody ever would.

我告诉他们我们可以提出申诉，但我需要他们告诉我他们的名字，我们可以谈论它，所以——但没有人会这样做。

And then I wouldn't hear from them again.

然后我就再也没有收到他们的消息了。

They said they were afraid of the repercussions.

他们说，他们担心后果。

The reason they were calling her is because they couldn't use the normal chain of command.

他们打电话给她的原因是他们无法使用正常的指挥系统。

If a worker had a problem, they were first supposed to go to their supervisor, Steve.

如果工人遇到问题，他们首先应该去找他们的主管史蒂夫。

Then their complaint went go up a level to the district's director of human resources, Mike Stricos, a pal of Steve's who once presented him with a framed picture of Marlon Brando as the Godfather at a morning staff meeting.

然后，他们的投诉上升到了该地区的人力资源总监迈克·斯特里科斯(Mike Stricos)，他是史蒂夫的朋友，曾在一次员工晨会上向他展示了一张马龙·白兰度扮演教父的相框。

After that, there was the union's labor relations specialist, a guy named Mike Campon, who was good friends with school board president Jeff Janiszewski, another Steve supporter.

之后，还有工会的劳资关系专家，一个名叫迈克·坎彭（Mike Campon）的人，他与史蒂夫的另一位支持者、学校董事会主席杰夫·贾尼舍夫斯基（Jeff Janiszewski）是好朋友。

And the head of the union local?

当地工会主席呢？

Also friends with Steve.

也是史蒂夫的朋友。

It was a spider's web of good old boys.

这是一个由好孩子组成的蜘蛛网。

Since Tabbano couldn't get workers to go public, she tried to oust Steve on a technicality.

由于塔巴诺无法让员工公开，她试图以技术性的方式驱逐史蒂夫。

He was clearly making too much money for his title of head utility worker, which therefore had to be a phony.

显然，他为自己的公用事业首席工人头衔赚了太多钱，因此这个头衔一定是假的。

She filed official requests, twice, with the school district demanding that they disclose financial information about Steve.

她两次向学区提出正式请求，要求他们披露有关史蒂夫的财务信息。

And how did the school district respond to these official requests for transparency regarding Steve's position?

学区如何回应这些关于史蒂夫立场透明度的官方要求？

Request they're required to respond to, according to labor law?

根据劳动法，他们需要回应的要求吗？

They never answered me.

他们从来没有回答过我。

They never answered me.

他们从来没有回答过我。

Tabbano couldn't prove anything.

塔巴诺无法证明任何事情。

And none of her union superiors cared to press it.

她的工会上级也没有人愿意施加压力。

The higher ups at CSEA liked Steve.

CSEA 的高层很喜欢史蒂夫。

He helped them with their campaigns.

他帮助他们开展竞选活动。

You know, the union, I think, broke down at every level.

我认为，你知道，工会在各个层面都崩溃了。

I blame myself for a lot of these things.

我为很多事情责备自己。

I wish I could've fought more to get him out of there.

我希望我能更加努力地把他救出来。

CSEA blew this one, big time.

CSEA 搞砸了这一点，真是太糟糕了。

We blew it.

我们搞砸了。

One of the main ways Steve ingratiated himself with his bosses was also the most traditional, one used by any manager in any workplace to get in good with the people in charge.

史蒂夫讨好老板的主要方式之一也是最传统的，任何工作场所的任何经理都会使用这种方式来与负责人搞好关系。

He saved them money-- lots of it.

他为他们节省了钱——很多。

And the way he did that was pretty ingenious.

他这样做的方式非常巧妙。

In 2004, a year after he takes over the maintenance department, Steve also becomes the de facto energy manager for the district, hence the space heater incident.

2004年，史蒂夫接手维修部门一年后，也成为该地区事实上的能源经理，因此发生了小型取暖器事件。

Another guy had had the job, but he wasn't meeting his energy reduction goals.

另一个人得到了这份工作，但他没有达到他的节能目标。

What happened was that the district had invested in energy-tracking software that, if used properly, was supposed to reduce its energy consumption by, say, 20%, a big savings.

实际情况是，该地区投资了能源跟踪软件，如果使用得当，应该可以减少能源消耗，比如说 20%，这是一个很大的节省。

A guy named Lou Semione was put in charge of the program, a seventy-something thousand dollar a year job.

一个名叫卢·塞米奥内（Lou Semione）的人被任命负责这个项目，这是一份年薪七万美元的工作。

Steve decided he wanted it, so he began to sabotage Lou.

史蒂夫决定他想要它，所以他开始破坏卢。

John Lapointe knew what was going on.

约翰·拉普安特知道发生了什么事。

Steve would make it very difficult for Lou to have any access on the computer, to make any changes to the heating system, lighting, and so on.

史蒂夫会让卢很难访问计算机，也很难对供暖系统、照明等进行任何更改。

So wait.

所以等等。

So Lou's in charge of getting the numbers down, but he doesn't actually have his hands on the buttons to make that happen?

那么卢负责降低数字，但他实际上并没有把手放在按钮上来实现这一点？

You got it.

你明白了。

Right.

正确的。

There's a computer that you access, and you could see all the buildings through it, and make your changes.

您可以访问一台计算机，您可以通过它看到所有建筑物，并进行更改。

And Steve would let Lou see it, but not change anything.

史蒂夫会让卢看到它，但不会改变任何事情。

Somebody else would make the changes.

其他人会做出改变。

So you can kind of take it from there what kind of changes were being made, and it wasn't in Lou's favor.

所以你可以从那里了解到正在做出什么样的改变，但这对卢不利。

OK?

好的？

Steve, for instance, left the heat and lights on in every building over the three-day Columbus Day holiday.

例如，在为期三天的哥伦布日假期期间，史蒂夫让每栋建筑都开着暖气和灯光。

He once pretended the school's football lights were broken, and John had to pretend to fix them.

他曾经假装学校的足球灯坏了，约翰不得不假装修理它们。

These football field lights-- there's, god, I'm thinking about 120 of these lights.

这些足球场灯——天哪，我正在考虑 120 个这样的灯。

And they'd draw a lot of power.

他们会消耗大量的能量。

So we had them turned on during the day, and they stayed on for a few hours to eat up some energy.

所以我们在白天打开它们，它们会持续打开几个小时来消耗一些能量。

And in fact, they weren't being worked on.

事实上，它们并没有被处理。

They were just being left on.

他们只是被留下了。

And--

还有——

And did you know why?

你知道为什么吗？

John Lapointe Jr Well, yeah.

小约翰·拉普安特 好吧，是的。

I mean, Steve didn't really hide the fact that he was screwing with Lou.

我的意思是，史蒂夫并没有真正隐瞒他和卢搞砸的事实。

You know what I mean?

你知道我的意思？

You knew what he was doing.

你知道他在做什么。

Sarah Koenig Well, how did you feel that he was asking you to do this thing, which you knew was totally baloney, and also unfair to this other guy?

莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）：好吧，你对他要求你做这件事有什么感觉，你知道这完全是胡说八道，而且对另一个人也不公平？

Again, you just did what the guy wanted you to do.

再说一遍，你只是做了那个人想让你做的事。

Did it make you mad?

这让你生气了吗？

John Lapointe Jr Well, of course.

小约翰·拉普安特 好吧，当然。

Well, you know--

嗯，你知道——

It's upsetting.

真令人不安。

John Lapointe Jr It is upsetting that you're doing this type of stuff.

小约翰·拉普安特 (John Lapointe Jr)：你做这种事真是令人沮丧。

But again, I keep telling myself, I'm just doing what my boss asked me to do.

但我再次告诉自己，我只是在做老板要求我做的事情。

He's your union president, your boss.

他是你的工会主席，你的老板。

With Steve, again, you're either with him or you're against him.

对于史蒂夫，你要么支持他，要么反对他。

That's the way it was.

事情就是这样。

So Lou's energy savings numbers were bad, maybe single digits.

因此，卢的节能数据很糟糕，可能只有个位数。

Steve persuaded the administration to give him the job, instead.

相反，史蒂夫说服政府给了他这份工作。

But again, not the title of energy manager, since that would jeopardize his union situation.

但同样，不是能源经理的头衔，因为这会危及他的工会地位。

He said he'd do the job for half Lou's salary, which he'd collect in overtime.

他说他愿意拿卢一半的工资来做这份工作，这笔钱是他通过加班收取的。

In this way, Steve's salary nearly doubled, so that by the time he was arrested in 2009, he was making about $125,000 a year.

这样，史蒂夫的工资几乎翻了一番，以至于到2009年他被捕时，他的年薪约为125,000美元。

The superintendent, by contrast, was making about $194,000.

相比之下，主管的收入约为 194,000 美元。

As energy czar, Steve was fearless.

作为能源沙皇，史蒂夫无所畏惧。

He would openly do battle with anyone who tried to turn on a switch he didn't think needed turning on.

他会公开与任何试图打开他认为不需要打开的开关的人进行斗争。

Didn't matter if you were a teacher, or an administrator, or one time a priest who wanted weekend heat in a classroom being leased from a church.

无论你是一名教师，还是一名行政人员，或者曾经是一名牧师，想要周末在从教堂租用的教室里取暖，都没关系。

In an email, Steve called the clergyman a, quote, "joker and a crook with a collar," and vowed to fight him.

在一封电子邮件中，史蒂夫称这名牧师为“小丑和带项圈的骗子”，并发誓要与他战斗。

Because of all this, Steve's energy reduction numbers were great.

正因为如此，史蒂夫的能源减少量非常可观。

He got consumption down by a stunning 30%, saved the district millions in bills, and was publicly praised by the administration.

他使消费下降了惊人的 30%，为该地区节省了数百万美元的账单，并受到了政府的公开赞扬。

And in particular, by superintendent Eric Ely, for whom Raucci had a soft spot.

尤其是主管埃里克·伊利（Eric Ely），劳奇对他情有独钟。

Judging from their email exchanges, the two became pretty cozy.

从邮件往来来看，两人的关系相当融洽。

It's an email from Raucci to Eric Ely, superintendent of schools, dated September 4, 2008.

这是 Raucci 于 2008 年 9 月 4 日发给学校负责人 Eric Ely 的一封电子邮件。

That's DA Bob Carney.

那是地方检察官鲍勃·卡尼。

Bob Carney I've often told you that you and I are alike in many ways.

鲍勃·卡尼 我经常告诉你，你和我在很多方面都很相似。

We just have different backgrounds.

我们只是背景不同。

We both like to win, and we do not care how we do it, as long as we win.

我们都喜欢赢，我们不在乎如何赢，只要赢了就行。

We both tell it like it is, and if someone doesn't like what we say, that's too damn bad.

我们都说实话，如果有人不喜欢我们说的话，那就太糟糕了。

If we do not like someone, we let them know about it and usually do something about it.

如果我们不喜欢某人，我们会让他们知道并通常采取一些措施。

There we may differ a little.

对此我们可能略有不同。

According to rumors, when I don't like someone, I force them to go away or make them disappear.

据传言，当我不喜欢某人时，我会强迫他们离开或让他们消失。

When you don't like someone, you have to wait until they die of old age, unless you give me their name.

当你不喜欢一个人的时候，你必须等到他老死，除非你告诉我他的名字。

The columnist Carl Strock has a favorite from these emails.

专栏作家卡尔·斯特罗克 (Carl Strock) 最喜欢这些电子邮件中的一封。

Here's one from the superintendent, Eric Ely, to Steve Raucci, dated February 16, 2009, which was just a couple of days before Raucci was arrested.

这是警长埃里克·伊利 (Eric Ely) 写给史蒂夫·劳奇 (Steve Raucci) 的一封信，日期为 2009 年 2 月 16 日，就在劳奇被捕前几天。

When he had done everything he was going to do-- he had committed all his crimes, and all the complaints that were going to go to Ely had gone to him.

当他做完他要做的一切之后——他已经犯下了所有的罪行，所有本该向伊利抱怨的事情都已经到了他的身上。

He had been told.

有人告诉他。

And Raucci had written him a sort of a flattering email.

劳奇给他写了一封奉承的电子邮件。

And Eric Ely responded, there aren't many I trust.

埃里克·伊利回答说，我信任的人并不多。

You are one.

你是其中之一。

Thank you, Eric.

谢谢你，埃里克。

And then came the incident known simply as the letter, which eventually would lead to Steve's downfall.

然后发生了这封信，最终导致了史蒂夫的垮台。

More on that in a minute.

稍后会详细介绍。

Steve Raucci finally goes too far, but he can't be brought down until his fork is stolen from a diner.

史蒂夫·劳奇终于走得太远了，但直到他的叉子从一家餐馆被偷走之前，他还是无法被打倒的。

Sarah Koenig's story about him continues, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.

当我们的节目继续时，芝加哥公共广播电台继续讲述莎拉·科尼格关于他的故事。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

If you're just tuning in, today we're devoting our entire hour to the rise and fall of a petty tyrant, Steve Raucci, who inspired fear, who did what he wanted, who was untouchable in his job running the maintenance department for the Schenectady Public Schools.

如果你只是收看，今天我们将用一小时的时间来讲述一个小暴君史蒂夫·劳奇的兴衰，他激发了恐惧，他为所欲为，在管理斯克内克塔迪公立学校维护部门的工作中是不可触碰的。

We first ran today's show back in 2010, shortly after all this happened.

我们第一次举办今天的节目是在 2010 年，当时这一切发生后不久。

We have arrived at the fall part of his rise and fall.

我们已经到了他的兴衰的衰落部分。

Sarah Koenig picks up the story.

莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）讲述了这个故事。

In early 2005, someone sent an anonymous letter to the union's regional CSEA president, Kathy Garrison, complaining about Steve, saying he was running his unit like a mafia boss, but he wasn't qualified for his job, that he should be kicked out of CSEA.

2005年初，有人给工会地区CSEA主席凯西·加里森（Kathy Garrison）发了一封匿名信，抱怨史蒂夫，说他像黑手党老大一样管理他的单位，但他不适合他的工作，应该将他踢出CSEA。

The letter immediately got back to Steve.

这封信立即回到了史蒂夫的手中。

John Lapointe again.

又是约翰·拉普安特。

He'd called me off a job and had me come into his office, quite agitated.

他解雇了我，让我走进他的办公室，心情非常激动。

And he's shoving this letter at me.

他把这封信塞给我。

And he's saying, read it, read it.

他说，读它，读它。

And it was unbelievable.

这是令人难以置信的。

I mean, he was out of control, he was so angry.

我的意思是，他失控了，他非常生气。

And we're trying to calm him down.

我们正在努力让他平静下来。

And spit's flying out of his mouth.

而且口水还从嘴里飞出来。

His veins were bulging out of his neck.

他的血管从脖子上凸出来。

His head looked like it was going to pop off his shoulders.

他的头看起来快要从肩膀上掉下来了。

This is how to heart he took this letter.

他就是这样用心收下这封信的。

I just started reading.

我刚刚开始读书。

Getting halfway through it, he's pressuring me.

事情进行到一半，他就给我施加压力。

Who wrote this?

这是谁写的？

You know who wrote this.

你知道这是谁写的。

And finally, I blurted out, Debbie?

最后，我脱口而出，黛比？

Debbie was Debbie Gray, wife of Hal Gray, who worked in the maintenance department alongside John Lapointe.

黛比是哈尔·格雷的妻子黛比·格雷，她与约翰·拉普安特一起在维护部门工作。

Hal had gone to high school with Steve, had known him forever.

哈尔和史蒂夫一起上高中，永远认识他。

And Hal and Debbie were both active in the union.

哈尔和黛比都积极参加工会。

And for the record, Debbie says she didn't write that notorious letter, that she's not the type to do anything like that anonymously.

郑重声明，黛比说她没有写那封臭名昭著的信，她不是那种匿名做类似事情的人。

But Steve was convinced.

但史蒂夫被说服了。

He and Hal hadn't been getting along.

他和哈尔相处得不好。

Steve confronted Hal about the letter, called him a rat, forbid him to come to morning meetings, banished him to the high school.

史蒂夫就这封信质问哈尔，称他为老鼠，禁止他参加早会，并将他驱逐到高中。

A few months later, in May of 2005, the Grays discovered rat spray painted in huge capital letters across their tan suburban two-story house.

几个月后，即 2005 年 5 月，格雷夫妇发现他们位于郊区的棕褐色两层房屋上涂有巨大的大写字母老鼠喷雾。

Steve arranged a caravan from work to go check it out.

史蒂夫下班安排了一辆大篷车前去查看。

He made all the guys pile into four district vehicles and drive about 10 miles away to the town of Burnt Hills where the grays lived.

他让所有的人挤进四辆警区车辆，开到大约 10 英里外的灰人居住的伯恩特希尔斯镇。

We saw the side of the house, the front of the house, and then the other side as you go past it-- rat in I believe it was red paint.

我们看到了房子的侧面，房子的正面，然后当你经过它时看到了另一面——老鼠进来了，我相信那是红色油漆。

The vehicles were splashed in paint, the front door.

车辆的前门都溅满了油漆。

This house was devastated.

这所房子被毁了。

John Lapointe was in the passenger seat in the lead car next to Steve.

约翰·拉普安特坐在领头车的乘客座位上，旁边是史蒂夫。

He was very amused on the way up and on the way back, and you had to put on the face, too.

上山和回来的路上他都觉得很有趣，你也得脸上挂着表情。

You're riding in the vehicle with him.

你和他一起坐车。

You have to show him the approval, so to speak.

可以这么说，你必须向他表示认可。

He wanted to see you happy about this because he was reveling in the glory of what he--

他希望看到你对此感到高兴，因为他正陶醉在他的荣耀中——

Had supposedly done.

据说已经完成了。

John Lapointe Jr --supposedly had done.

小约翰·拉普安特（John Lapointe Jr）——据说已经做到了。

I saw pictures of the damage.

我看到了损坏的照片。

Steve's MO with paint was to hit every surface, every fixture, every window to make it really expensive to fix.

史蒂夫的油漆方式是涂刷每一个表面、每一个固定装置、每扇窗户，这样修复起来就变得非常昂贵。

He was a professional, after all.

毕竟他是专业人士。

There were more attacks of vandalism on the Grays over the years, maybe six altogether.

这些年来，针对灰人的破坏行为发生了更多次，总共大概有六次。

And threats to burn down their house, to move out of town, or else.

并威胁要烧毁他们的房子，搬出城镇，或者其他。

They complained to the union about it.

他们向工会投诉此事。

School district officials knew about it.

学区官员知道此事。

But there was no evidence linking Raucci to the crimes.

但没有证据表明劳奇与这些罪行有关。

Nothing happened.

什么也没发生。

Finally, after 2 and 1/2 years, Hal and Debbie Gray called the district attorney's office in Schenectady.

最后，2又1/2年后，哈尔和黛比·格雷给斯克内克塔迪地区检察官办公室打电话。

DA Bob Carney didn't think much would come of it.

地方检察官鲍勃·卡尼认为这不会有什么结果。

My secretary scheduled a meeting for me with some people from the local CSEA.

我的秘书为我安排了一次与当地 CSEA 的一些人的会面。

They wanted to talk to me about a problem they were having in the union.

他们想和我谈谈他们在工会中遇到的问题。

So I assumed it was something to do with control of the union, or union infighting.

所以我认为这与工会的控制或工会内讧有关。

And I wasn't expecting what I got.

我没想到我会得到什么。

Carney had never heard of Steve Raucci.

卡尼从未听说过史蒂夫·劳奇。

He says he was blown away by their story.

他说他被他们的故事震惊了。

They were very angry, and they were very scared.

他们非常愤怒，也非常害怕。

Hal Gray was a decorated helicopter pilot from Vietnam.

哈尔·格雷（Hal Gray）是一位来自越南的获奖直升机飞行员。

He's a very tough guy.

他是一个非常坚强的人。

But the fact that their home was under attack in the middle of the night, and it's one thing to say, in hindsight, well, it was spray paint.

但事实上，他们的家在半夜遭到袭击，这是一回事，事后看来，好吧，那是喷漆。

You can deal with spray paint.

您可以处理喷漆。

But the problem is, you don't know what you have to deal with.

但问题是，你不知道自己要面对什么。

And if somebody is capable of spray painting your house, he's also capable of setting it on fire.

如果有人能喷漆你的房子，他也能把它放火。

And so they lived in fear that their house, their property, and maybe their lives would be in danger at any time.

所以他们生活在恐惧之中，担心他们的房子、他们的财产，甚至他们的生命随时都会受到威胁。

I know he told me that they ended up secreting arms around the house-- rifles, guns-- to protect themselves in case they needed it.

我知道他告诉我，他们最终在房子周围藏了武器——步枪、枪支——以保护自己，以备不时之需。

And at that point, they also told me about other victims that Raucci had accrued over the years.

那时，他们还告诉我劳奇多年来积累的其他受害者的情况。

And so we start to make inquiries and got some police agencies involved.

因此我们开始进行调查并让一些警察机构参与其中。

Turns out Raucci was suspected in all kinds of other stuff, dangerous stuff.

事实证明，劳奇涉嫌从事其他各种危险的事情。

The case of Gary DiNola, for instance.

以加里·迪诺拉为例。

DiNola was the district's well-respected athletics director and an award-winning teacher.

迪诺拉是该学区备受尊敬的体育总监，也是一位屡获殊荣的老师。

He fought with Steve for a year and a half about getting access to sports facilities, which Steve denied him.

他和史蒂夫为了使用体育设施的问题争论了一年半，但史蒂夫拒绝了他。

So finally, DiNola complained to superintendent Eric Ely.

最后，迪诺拉向警司埃里克·伊利投诉。

Steve instantly found out, and sent DiNola a menacing email.

史蒂夫立即发现了这一点，并向迪诺拉发送了一封威胁性的电子邮件。

DiNola woke up the next morning to find his tires slashed and an explosive-- a big one-- tucked under his windshield wiper.

迪诺拉第二天早上醒来，发现他的轮胎被割破了，挡风玻璃雨刷下藏着一枚炸药——很大的炸药。

There were old cases, too.

也有旧案例。

The most serious was from 2001 in the nearby town of Rotterdam, when a man was woken up in the middle of the night to his metal front door being blown in by a bomb.

最严重的一次是2001年在鹿特丹附近的小镇，​​当时一名男子在半夜被炸弹炸毁，惊醒了他的金属前门。

Steve got the wrong address in that case.

在这种情况下，史蒂夫弄错了地址。

The bomb had been meant for a cop down the street.

这枚炸弹是为街上的一名警察准备的。

And there was the case of Laura Balogh.

还有劳拉·巴洛（Laura Balogh）的例子。

Laura worked at the union and had been romantically involved with the union's local president.

劳拉在工会工作，并与工会当地主席有过恋爱关系。

When the relationship broke up, Steve went to her house at night, spray painted "cheater" in red letters on her house in Schodack, and planted an explosive on her doorstep, which never detonated.

关系破裂后，史蒂夫晚上来到她家，在她位于肖达克的房子上喷上了红色大字“骗子”，并在她家门口安放了一枚炸药，但从未引爆。

That was investigators' first big break.

这是调查人员的第一个重大突破。

Raucci had used a cigarette butt as a fuse in the homemade bomb.

劳奇用烟头作为自制炸弹的导火索。

But Raucci wasn't a smoker, and he didn't know about New York's safety paper regulations, that a butt will go out on its own if it's left lit.

但劳奇并不吸烟，他也不知道纽约的安全纸规定，如果烟蒂点燃，它会自行熄灭。

From the stub, the police got a DNA sample.

警方从存根中提取了 DNA 样本。

But since Raucci had no criminal record, he wasn't in their system.

但由于劳奇没有犯罪记录，因此他不在他们的系统内。

They couldn't make a match until they got another sample they knew to be from Raucci.

他们无法进行匹配，直到他们得到另一个他们知道来自劳奇的样本。

Ellen Frederick, Raucci's former secretary, is married to a former cop.

劳奇的前秘书艾伦·弗雷德里克 (Ellen Frederick) 嫁给了一名前警察。

And that former cop knew the state police investigator in charge of Raucci's case.

那位前警察认识负责劳奇案件的州警察调查员。

This investigator approached my husband at a gathering and said, you know, I understand that your wife knows quite a bit about this Steve Raucci.

这位调查员在一次聚会上找到我丈夫说，你知道，我知道你的妻子对史蒂夫·劳奇（Steve Raucci）了解很多。

And my husband said, yeah, she does.

我丈夫说，是的，她做到了。

I mean, she was his secretary, whatever.

我的意思是，无论如何，她是他的秘书。

And he said, I'd really like to sit and talk with her.

他说，我真的很想坐下来和她谈谈。

Well, and that got the ball rolling.

好吧，事情就这样开始了。

They came up with a plan.

他们想出了一个计划。

Steve ate breakfast out at local diners-- Sally's, Peter Pause, Blue Ribbon.

史蒂夫在当地的餐馆吃早餐——Sally's、Peter Pause、Blue Ribbon。

Ellen would discreetly find out from one of her old colleagues where Steve was headed that morning, and then tell the investigator where to go.

艾伦会小心翼翼地从她的一位老同事那里得知史蒂夫那天早上要去哪里，然后告诉调查员要去哪里。

The investigator would try to secure a dirty utensil from Steve's place setting.

调查员会试图从史蒂夫的餐具中取出一个脏器皿。

After weeks of trying, the investigator finally nabbed a fork off Steve's plate before the waitress could clear it away.

经过几周的尝试，调查员终于在女服务员把叉子拿走之前，从史蒂夫盘子里拿走了一把叉子。

The cops had their match.

警察们进行了比赛。

They had enough evidence to link Steve to the crimes at Laura Balogh's house.

他们有足够的证据将史蒂夫与劳拉·巴洛家的犯罪行为联系起来。

And they could have stopped there, but they wanted to try to get him for the other crimes, too.

他们本可以就此打住，但他们也想以其他罪行逮捕他。

So they enlisted Keith McKenna, another former cop, who'd recently been busted on a drug charge and was in trouble.

因此，他们招募了另一位前警察基思·麦肯纳（Keith McKenna），他最近因毒品指控被捕，陷入了麻烦。

Many years before, Keith and Steve had been close friends.

许多年前，基思和史蒂夫一直是亲密的朋友。

They palled around after hours, messed with explosives together.

几个小时后，他们就到处闲逛，一起乱扔炸药。

As it happened, DA Bob Carney had grown up across the street from Keith McKenna, and suggested he might help out with the case.

碰巧的是，地方检察官鲍勃·卡尼 (Bob Carney) 就在基思·麦肯纳 (Keith McKenna) 的街对面长大，并建议他可以帮忙处理此案。

Keith hadn't spent time with Steve for a decade, but he goes to see him at the school on the pretense of needing help, some kind of job.

基思已经十年没有和史蒂夫在一起了，但他假装需要帮助或某种工作去学校看望他。

Steve is warm and welcoming, and remarkably forthcoming.

史蒂夫热情好客，而且非常乐于助人。

When I talk, Keith, anything I say, I could say in a court of law.

基思，当我说话时，我所说的任何话，我都可以在法庭上说。

I never say, yeah, I blew up a window.

我从来没有说过，是的，我炸毁了一扇窗户。

No, I just-- you never know if somebody's wired or that type of thing.

不，我只是——你永远不知道某人是否有网络或类似的东西。

Of course, what Steve doesn't know is that Keith is wired.

当然，史蒂夫不知道基思是有线的。

I wrote to Steve Raucci in prison asking for an interview, but never heard back.

我写信给监狱里的史蒂夫·劳奇请求采访，但从未收到回复。

So these tapes are all we've got.

所以这些磁带就是我们所有的了。

Listening to them, it's like hearing a grainy, homemade version of those mobster movies Steve likes so much.

听他们的声音，就像听到史蒂夫非常喜欢的那些黑帮电影的颗粒感十足的自制版本。

Steve talks about punks, and broads, and wiseguys, and street justice.

史蒂夫谈论朋克、女人、智者和街头正义。

I still don't like punks.

我还是不喜欢朋克。

I don't like wiseguys, and I still believe in people should get what they deserve.

我不喜欢聪明人，但我仍然相信人们应该得到他们应得的。

It's almost as if Steve's been waiting all his life to lay out his world view on tape, if only someone would ask.

就好像史蒂夫一生都在等待在磁带上展示他的世界观，只要有人问就好了。

Keith McKenna doesn't even have to.

基思·麦肯纳甚至不必这样做。

He says relatively little in these recordings, which are from three separate meetings in Steve's office over the course of two months.

他在这些录音中说的相对较少，这些录音来自史蒂夫办公室两个月内的三次独立会议。

In answer to the most generic questions-- what have you been up to lately?

回答最常见的问题——你最近在做什么？

How's work?

工作怎么样？

Have you seen so-and-so-- Steve lets loose like a champion.

你有没有见过某某——史蒂夫像冠军一样放开手脚。

For the cops, the tapes are a goldmine.

对于警察来说，录音带就是一座金矿。

Steve essentially confesses by name to almost all of the bombings, and vandalism, and bad acts the cops already suspect him of-- Hal and Debbie Gray, the 2001 Rotterdam bombing, how he didn't know the cigarette butts wouldn't light his explosives.

史蒂夫基本上承认了警察已经怀疑的几乎所有爆炸、破坏行为和不良行为——哈尔和黛比·格雷、2001 年鹿特丹爆炸案，以及他如何不知道烟头不会点燃他的炸药。

I just wondered why the last two never went off, but no, how would I know?

我只是想知道为什么最后两个从来没有消失过，但是不，我怎么知道呢？

And why taking revenge on someone at home is his method of choice.

为什么他会选择报复家里的人。

Probably one of the worst things that somebody could think of is not feeling safe in your own house, OK?

也许有人能想到的最糟糕的事情之一就是在自己的房子里感到不安全，好吗？

So I guess where I'm going with this, Keith, is that some of the things I do-- like, I never want to physically hurt anyone.

所以我想我的意思是，基思，我所做的一些事情——比如，我从来不想伤害任何人。

Property damage-- you can do a lot with that.

财产损失——你可以用它来做很多事情。

"Property damage-- you can do a lot with that." A big theme with Steve in these recordings is how there's nothing he can't get away with in the district.

“财产损失——你可以用它来做很多事情。”史蒂夫在这些录音中的一个重要主题是，在这个地区没有什么是他不能逃脱的。

Nobody dares tell him to make cuts in his department.

没有人敢让他削减他的部门。

He can hire who he likes, fire who he likes.

他可以雇佣他喜欢的人，解雇他喜欢的人。

No one can complain.

没有人可以抱怨。

They're not going to file a grievance against me, not if they want to last, or live, one or the other.

他们不会对我提出申诉，如果他们想继续下去或活下去，无论是其中之一还是其​​他。

Then he gestures to the photo of the Godfather, Don Corleone, that's hanging on his wall.

然后他指着挂在墙上的教父唐·柯里昂的照片。

The reason I keep that picture behind the door is that was given to me by the people up there in the administration office--

我把那张照片放在门后面的原因是行政办公室的人给我的——

Oh, OK.

哦，好吧。

Steve Raucci Because that's the way they see me.

史蒂夫·劳奇（Steve Raucci）：因为他们就是这样看我的。

Don Raucci, and I never even saw that whole series.

唐·劳奇（Don Raucci），我什至从未看过整个系列。

I'm everybody's hero, and they know it.

我是每个人的英雄，他们也知道这一点。

I think they, in a way, admire that about me when I talk about, sometimes, that's the only justice there is, street justice.

我认为，在某种程度上，当我谈论街头正义时，他们钦佩我的这一点，有时，这是唯一的正义。

And I always tell them-- I'll say to Eric or the board-- you guys are [BLEEP] lucky.

我总是告诉他们——我会对埃里克或董事会说——你们[BLEEP]很幸运。

You got a Steve.

你有一个史蒂夫。

When it falls on me, I don't have a Steve to go to.

当事情落在我身上时，我没有史蒂夫可以去找。

I got to fix it.

我得修好它。

I'll be a legend here in their eyes.

我将成为他们眼中的传奇。

When I'm dead and gone, they'll always be talking about what Steve did, and what he could do, and that type of thing.

当我死后，他们总会谈论史蒂夫做了什么，他能做什么，以及诸如此类的事情。

In just the sticks alone, I said two weeks ago, I can't believe how much you guys have come to depend on me.

两周前我说过，仅凭棍棒，我简直不敢相信你们竟然如此依赖我。

The [BLEEP]?

[BLEEP]？

You know, what are you going to do if I'm not around?

你知道，如果我不在你身边你会做什么？

Because the superintendent-- he's certainly never going to tell me what to do.

因为主管——他当然不会告诉我该怎么做。

He listens to me.

他听我的。

If I tell him this is what you should do, that's what he'll do.

如果我告诉他这是你应该做的，他就会这么做。

I mean, that's how far it's come.

我的意思是，这就是它已经走了多远。

The board president, Jeff-- nobody here can handle the union aspect.

董事会主席杰夫——这里没有人能处理工会方面的问题。

Nobody can--

没有人可以——

Yeah.

是的。

That's what I'm saying.

这就是我所说的。

There's nothing I can't do.

没有什么是我做不到的。

Yeah, I'm still president of my union.

是的，我仍然是工会主席。

How?

如何？

Steve Raucci Because I can.

史蒂夫·劳奇因为我可以。

That's all I can tell you.

我只能告诉你这些。

Don't ask me how, Keith.

别问我怎么做，基思。

Because I can.

因为我可以。

What's striking about these tapes is that Steve sees himself on the side of good.

这些录音带的引人注目之处在于，史蒂夫认为自己站在正义的一边。

He only does bad things to bullies, he says.

他说，他只对恶霸做坏事。

He hates bullies.

他讨厌恶霸。

Any anyway, most of what he does-- like planting a bomb at the house of Laura Balogh, the one who broke up with his local union president-- are on behalf of friends, against people he doesn't even know.

无论如何，他所做的大部分事情——比如在与当地工会主席分手的劳拉·巴洛（Laura Balogh）的家里安放炸弹——都是为了朋友，反对他甚至不认识的人。

He'll do anything for a friend, he says.

他说，他会为朋友做任何事情。

He's loyal that way.

他就是这样忠诚的。

Even the guys who work for him-- he says he lies for them all the time, lets them leave early or bill for overtime they don't deserve.

即使是为他工作的人，他也说他一直在为他们撒谎，让他们提前下班，或者收取他们不应该的加班费。

But I take care of them.

但我照顾他们。

I've had guys that have gone out for three months, no sick time, keep them on the books.

我有些人已经出去了三个月，没有病假，把他们记在账上。

Keith, I could go to jail for the things I do, and I don't benefit one bit for me.

基思，我可能会因为我所做的事情而入狱，但我对自己没有任何好处。

"Monetarial" or finance, I benefit at no way whatsoever.

“货币”或金融，我无论如何也得不到任何好处。

And still, they don't love him enough for it.

尽管如此，他们还不够爱他。

He complains to Keith that he doesn't have any real friends at work.

他向基思抱怨说他在工作中没有任何真正的朋友。

If I left this place tomorrow, there ain't a soul here that would dial my phone, or Steve, you want to go for coffee or

如果我明天离开这个地方，这里就没有人会拨打我的电话，或者史蒂夫，你想去喝咖啡还是

That's right, and that's what I can't stand about this place.

没错，这就是我对这个地方最不能忍受的地方。

Keith, he says, is one of the two people in the world he considers a true friend, someone who'd live for him if need be.

他说，基思是世界上他认为真正的朋友的两个人之一，如果需要的话，他会为他而活。

At their last meeting, Keith asked Steve if he can give him some explosives, called quarter sticks.

在他们最后一次见面时，基思问史蒂夫是否可以给他一些炸药，称为四分之一棒。

There's a guy he wants to teach a lesson to.

他想教训一个人。

Steve is so casually generous about it, as if Keith has just asked him for a piece of gum.

史蒂夫对此表现得很随意慷慨，就好像基思刚刚向他要了一块口香糖一样。

Can you grab me two, three quarter sticks?

你能给我拿两根四分之三棍子吗？

Keith, I can give you one now.

基思，我现在可以给你一份。

I used my last one coming down Troy Road Saturday night with--

周六晚上我在特洛伊路用了最后一张——

Steve tosses Keith an explosive he'd been storing behind a fake plant on top of his filing cabinet.

史蒂夫向基思扔了一枚炸药，他一直把炸药存放在文件柜顶部的假植物后面。

And remember, Steve's office is in a middle school.

请记住，史蒂夫的办公室在一所中学内。

So through the wall, there are kids 10, 12, 13 years old, and the thing is just sitting there, packed with more than 17 grams of incredibly volatile flash powder, 300 times more powerful than the strongest commercially-available firework.

隔着墙，都是 10、12、13 岁的孩子，而那个东西就坐在那里，里面装满了超过 17 克的极易挥发的闪光粉末，比市面上最强的烟花威力强 300 倍。

That was on a Wednesday.

那是在星期三。

On Friday morning, cops swarmed the pen and arrested Steve.

周五早上，警察包围了围栏并逮捕了史蒂夫。

They had to.

他们必须这样做。

A longtime employee with the Schenectady City School District is in jail without bail tonight.

斯克内克塔迪市学区的一名长期雇员今晚入狱，不得保释。

The facilities director is accused of setting off an explosion outside a house.

设施主管被指控在房屋外引发爆炸。

Police say they also found explosives in his office on school grounds.

警方称，他们还在学校操场上他的办公室里发现了爆炸物。

Superintendent Eric Ely called a news conference the following Monday saying he was shocked-- shocked-- to find out Steve Raucci was a thug.

警司埃里克·伊利 (Eric Ely) 在接下来的周一召开了新闻发布会，表示他对史蒂夫·劳奇 (Steve Raucci) 是一名暴徒感到震惊。

My reaction is shock.

我的反应是震惊。

Certainly concern for the safety of our employees, as well as our students.

当然关心我们员工和学生的安全。

Many people I talked to said this enraged them, that Ely claimed ignorance about Steve's behavior.

与我交谈过的许多人都表示这激怒了他们，伊利声称对史蒂夫的行为一无所知。

Ely politely declined to talk to me for this story.

伊利礼貌地拒绝与我谈论这个故事。

He's still facing lawsuits from former employees.

他仍然面临前雇员的诉讼。

But he gave an extended interview to the local CBS reporter, Marci Natale.

但他接受了当地哥伦比亚广播公司记者马西·纳塔莱的长时间采访。

He said he thought workers' complaints of Ross's tyranny were overblown.

他说，他认为工人们对罗斯暴政的抱怨被夸大了。

I just have a conceptual problem with, if you're really afraid of somebody, why do you work with him in his home?

我只是有一个概念问题，如果你真的害怕某人，为什么要在他家里和他一起工作？

Why do you invite him to parties?

你为什么邀请他参加聚会？

Why do you ask him to get your son a job?

你为什么要让他给你儿子找份工作？

Why do you ask favors of him, if you're afraid of him?

如果你害怕他，为什么还要向他求助呢？

As for the people who came to Ely for help, like Gary DiNola, Ely said it wasn't his role to solve these problems.

至于那些来伊利寻求帮助的人，比如加里·迪诺拉（Gary DiNola），伊利表示解决这些问题不是他的职责。

Well, you know, some people say that you didn't do anything, that you turned your head.

嗯，你知道，有些人说你什么也没做，你转过头去。

Well, yeah, they lied.

嗯，是的，他们撒谎了。

People are just lying.

人们只是在撒谎。

I won't be the scapegoat for somebody else.

我不会成为别人的替罪羊。

No. Sarah Koenig This is the same man who wrote, "There aren't many that I trust.

不。莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）正是同一个人写道：“我信任的人并不多。

You are one.

你是其中之一。

Thank you." Ely is now superintendent of a district in Southbridge, Massachusetts.

谢谢你。”伊利现在是马萨诸塞州南桥一个地区的负责人。

Raucci was tried on 22 felony counts.

劳奇因 22 项重罪受到审判。

The prosecution had DNA evidence, wire recordings.

检方有 DNA 证据、电话录音。

They called 62 witnesses.

他们传唤了 62 名证人。

The defense had two, and one of them was cross-examined so effectively that she ultimately did Raucci's case more harm than good.

辩方有两名辩方，其中一名辩方进行了如此有效的盘问，最终她对劳奇的案件弊大于利。

Raucci's lawyer, Ron De Angelus, didn't want to be interviewed on tape.

劳奇的律师罗恩·德·安吉鲁斯 (Ron De Angelus) 不想接受录音采访。

But he said Raucci was very peaceful, very quiet, not at all how they were making him out to be-- practically a maniac.

但他说劳奇非常平和、非常安静，完全不像他们想象的那样——实际上是个疯子。

His argument at trial was essentially that Raucci was a grand exaggerator who liked to take credit for things he didn't do.

他在审判中的论点本质上是劳奇是一个夸大其词的人，喜欢为他没有做的事情获得荣誉。

At closing, De Angelus place brightly colored plastic eggs into a basket, one by one, and explained that each egg represented reasonable doubt and a chance to redeem.

结束时，德·安杰鲁斯将色彩鲜艳的塑料蛋一颗一颗地放入篮子中，并解释说，每个鸡蛋都代表着合理的怀疑和赎回的机会。

It was Easter time, he reasoned, a time of hope, a time of renewal, a time that, if you're a Christian and dead, you're going to come back to life.

他推断，这是复活节的时刻，是一个充满希望的时刻，一个重生的时刻，一个如果你是死了的基督徒，你将会复活的时刻。

Raucci was convicted on 18 counts and acquitted of four.

劳奇被判 18 项罪名成立，其中 4 项罪名被宣告无罪。

At the sentencing hearing, Raucci's victims got a chance to speak to the court-- Laura Balogh, Debbie and Hal Gray, and maintenance supervisor Ron Kriss, who'd had his cars vandalized several times after filing a sexual harassment lawsuit against Steve.

在量刑听证会上，劳奇的受害者有机会在法庭上发言——劳拉·巴洛夫、黛比和哈尔·格雷，以及维修主管罗恩·克里斯，他在对史蒂夫提起性骚扰诉讼后，他的汽车多次遭到破坏。

They hadn't been physically hurt, but their pain was pretty raw.

他们的身体没有受到伤害，但他们的痛苦却相当剧烈。

For more than five years, my family and I were terrorized by Steven Raucci.

五年多来，我和我的家人都受到史蒂文·劳奇的恐吓。

Just imagine, if you will, how it would be for you to live in fear for yourself, your family, and your property 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for five years.

如果您愿意的话，请想象一下，如果您连续五年、每周 7 天、每天 24 小时都生活在对自己、家人和财产的恐惧之中，那将会是怎样的情景。

At night, I don't walk past a window without thinking someone is looking in, or open my windows to experience fresh air.

晚上，我走过窗户时都会想到有人正在往里看，或者打开窗户呼吸新鲜空气。

I tried everything that I could to help those employees at the school district who were being tormented by him, but no one would help me-- not anyone in the union, and not on the school board.

我尽了一切努力来帮助学区那些被他折磨的员工，但没有人愿意帮助我——工会中的任何人都没有，学校董事会的也没有。

And then there is my son, who to this day will not sleep in his bed alone.

还有我的儿子，直到今天他还不会独自睡在床上。

Talks almost every day since the attack as to how he could have stopped it from happening, what violent actions he would have then taken, or could now take, given the chance.

袭击发生后，他几乎每天都在讨论如何阻止袭击发生，如果有机会的话，他当时会采取什么暴力行动，或者现在可以采取什么暴力行动。

This terrorism has had a dramatic impact on my relationship with my wife.

这种恐怖主义对我和妻子的关系产生了巨大的影响。

We both have changed.

我们都变了。

The relationship is strained easily.

关系很容易紧张。

My wife's emotions have significant swings.

我妻子的情绪波动很大。

And she is not the woman as I knew.

而且她也不是我所认识的那个女人了。

We developed our own plan for survival.

我们制定了自己的生存计划。

When the alarm would go off, my husband would pull me to the floor, on his side of the bed, and he'd grab the loaded rifle from under the bed and he'd go downstairs.

当警报响起时，我丈夫会把我拉到床他那一侧的地板上，然后从床底下抓起装满子弹的步枪，然后下楼。

And I would make the 911 call from the cell phone.

我会用手机拨打 911。

I never know whether or not my husband would return because thoughts went through my mind of him bombing the front door, or setting our house on fire as we slept, something he said he would do to us.

我永远不知道我的丈夫是否会回来，因为我脑子里闪过他炸前门的念头，或者在我们睡觉时放火烧我们的房子，他说他会对我们做这些事。

For me, and in front of this court and God, there is no forgiveness for this.

对我来说，在这个法庭和上帝面前，这件事是不可原谅的。

It was really moving-- Sarah Koenig Carl Strock, the Daily Gazette columnist, watched the trial.

这真的很感人——《每日公报》专栏作家莎拉·科尼格·卡尔·斯特罗克观看了审判过程。

To see how they went through this experience.

来看看他们是如何经历这段经历的。

It was fascinating.

这很令人着迷。

And they say, you like to think you'd be different.

他们说，你喜欢认为自己会与众不同。

You like to think that I would have done something different if I'd been in that position.

你喜欢认为如果我处于那个位置我会做一些不同的事情。

I would have stood up.

我会站起来。

I would have been righteous.

我会是正义的。

But you don't know until you're in that position.

但直到你处于那个位置你才会知道。

You can't be sure.

你不能确定。

Some of the people who worked for Steve Raucci also thought they'd be different.

一些为史蒂夫·劳奇工作的人也认为他们会有所不同。

They were good people.

他们都是好人。

They knew right from wrong.

他们知道是非。

But they tell me that you had to be in it to understand.

但他们告诉我，你必须身临其境才能理解。

Ellen Frederick said it was almost like being in a cult, being brainwashed.

艾伦·弗雷德里克（Ellen Frederick）说，这几乎就像是在邪教中，被洗脑。

Raucci was sentenced to spend 23 years at the Clinton Correctional Facility, a prison so far north, so forbidding, so antiquated that a journalist who visited there told me he expected Boris Karloff to walk in any minute.

劳奇被判处在克林顿惩教所服刑 23 年，这座监狱位于遥远的北方，如此令人生畏、如此陈旧，以至于一位参观过那里的记者告诉我，他预计鲍里斯·卡洛夫随时都会步行。

Raucci's working as a clerk in the prison commissary.

劳奇在监狱小卖部担任职员。

He'll be up for parole in 2032, when he's in his 80s.

2032 年，他将获得假释，届时他将 80 多岁。

Raucci's own father died in prison.

劳奇的父亲死于狱中。

And in the past, Raucci had warned darkly that he'd never let that happen to him.

过去，劳奇曾阴暗地警告过他永远不会让这种事发生在自己身上。

Steve was never technically fired, by the way, so he's still entitled to his school pension-- $80,000 a year.

顺便说一句，从技术上讲，史蒂夫从未被解雇过，所以他仍然有权领取学校养老金——每年 80,000 美元。

Meanwhile, Schenectady cleaned house.

与此同时，斯克内克塔迪打扫了房子。

The top pro-Raucci administrators are gone-- superintendent Eric Ely to Massachusetts, human resources director Mike Stricos goes to Vegas, and assistant superintendent for business Mike San Angelo-- still nearby, but his contract wasn't renewed.

支持劳奇的高级管理人员已经离开——主管埃里克·伊利去了马萨诸塞州，人力资源总监迈克·斯特里科斯去了维加斯，商务助理主管迈克·圣安吉洛——仍在附近，但他的合同没有续签。

There's an interim superintendent now, a well-liked educator and father of six from another district, whose minivan, incidentally, was set on fire in his driveway one night in 1996.

现在有一位临时主管，他是一位广受欢迎的教育家，也是来自另一个地区的六个孩子的父亲，顺便说一句，1996 年的一个晚上，他的小型货车在他的车道上被点燃。

Raucci wasn't questioned in that case, but Carney said he wouldn't be surprised if Steve had been involved.

劳奇在该案中没有受到讯问，但卡尼表示，如果史蒂夫参与其中，他不会感到惊讶。

School board president Jeff Janiszewski was shouted down by audience members at a couple of meetings.

学校董事会主席杰夫·贾尼泽夫斯基 (Jeff Janiszewski) 在几次会议上都被观众大声叫倒。

And almost all the old board members, including Janiszewski are gone, either retired or voted out, replaced by self-described reformers.

包括贾尼舍夫斯基在内的几乎所有老董事会成员都已经离开，要么退休，要么被投票淘汰，取而代之的是自称的改革者。

Finally, management of all CSEA union locals in Schenectady County has been taken over by the region until further notice.

最后，斯克内克塔迪县所有 CSEA 工会当地人的管理工作已由该地区接管，直至另行通知。

And at least six people have lawsuits pending.

至少有六人的诉讼悬而未决。

When you see pictures of Raucci from the trial, sitting there quietly at the defendant's table, it's hard to imagine that he caused this mayhem all by himself.

当你看到劳奇在庭审中安静地坐在被告席旁的照片时，很难想象他是一个人造成了这场混乱。

But of course, he didn't.

但当然，他没有。

He was surrounded, above and below, by people who looked the other way.

他的周围，从上到下，都被看向别处的人们所包围。

Even Carl Strock, the newspaper columnist, told me, regretfully, that he, too, had gotten complaints about Steve Raucci from maintenance workers in the past, but didn't really follow up.

就连报纸专栏作家卡尔·斯特罗克也遗憾地告诉我，他过去也曾收到维修工对史蒂夫·劳奇的投诉，但并没有真正跟进。

And it's understandable why.

这是可以理解的。

Their stories seemed too small and bureaucratic, not something the rest of us would be interested in.

他们的故事似乎太小而官僚，我们其他人不会感兴趣。

Sarah Koenig is now the host of Serial.

莎拉·科尼格现在是《Serial》节目的主持人。

If you haven't heard season three, it's back to the criminal justice system like season one, but goes so much further, at serialpodcast.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

如果您还没有听过第三季，就像第一季一样回到刑事司法系统，但更进一步，可以在serialpodcast.com 或任何您能找到播客的地方。

In the years since we first broadcast this story, the CSEA union locals in Schenectady County have all been restructured.

自从我们第一次广播这个故事以来，斯克内克塔迪县的 CSEA 工会当地人都进行了重组。

All the officers were replaced.

所有军官都被替换了。

The superintendent of schools there, Eric Ely, as Sarah reported in her story, got another job as a superintendent in Southbridge, Massachusetts, but since then-- since she did this story-- just three years into the job, he resigned after allegations of misconduct.

正如莎拉在她的故事中报道的那样，那里的学校校长埃里克·伊利(Eric Ely)在马萨诸塞州南桥找到了另一份校长的工作，但从那时起——自从她写了这个故事——上任仅三年，他就因不当行为指控而辞职。

One of the allegations against him?

针对他的指控之一？

That he trained a middle high school principal to be a bully.

他把一名中学校长培养成恶霸。

He now teaches math at a high school in North Carolina.

他现在在北卡罗来纳州的一所高中教数学。

Several lawsuits were filed by people who say they were victimized by Raucci, some of them against Steve Raucci, some of them against the school district.

自称是劳奇受害者的人们提起了几起诉讼，其中一些针对史蒂夫·劳奇，一些针对学区。

Several of those have settled.

其中一些已经解决。

And finally, as I mentioned at the beginning of the show, 10 years after his arrest, Steve Raucci gave an interview to a newspaper reporter, Paul Nelson, from the Times Union in Albany.

最后，正如我在节目开头提到的，史蒂夫·劳奇被捕 10 年后，接受了奥尔巴尼时报联合报记者保罗·尼尔森的采访。

A link to his article at timesunion.com is at our website.

我们的网站上有他在 timesunion.com 上的文章的链接。

In the interview, apparently for the first time, Raucci admitted guilt for some of his crimes-- though not the worst one.

在采访中，劳奇显然是第一次承认自己犯下的一些罪行——尽管不是最严重的罪行。

Did we graffiti Laura Burrel's house?

我们在劳拉·伯雷尔的房子上涂鸦了吗？

Yes.

是的。

Did I put an M80 on somebody's windshield and drive away?

我是否将 M80 放在某人的挡风玻璃上然后开走？

Raucci he said he and his wife talked a lot about whether he's a psychopath, but he said he thought he wasn't, because even when he gets all wound up, he said, he doesn't think he loses control of himself.

劳奇说，他和妻子谈论了很多关于他是否是精神病患者的问题，但他说他认为自己不是，因为即使他感到非常紧张，他也不认为自己会失去对自己的控制。

He doesn't snap and cross the line, though of course, that's not the definition of a psychopath.

他不会发脾气并越界，当然，这不是精神病患者的定义。

Raucci said several times during the interview that he always knew that what he was doing was wrong.

劳奇在采访中多次表示，他一直都知道自己所做的事情是错误的。

I know they were wrong.

我知道他们错了。

I knew what I was doing was wrong.

我知道我所做的事情是错误的。

Yeah.

是的。

But why'd you do it, then?

但那你为什么这么做呢？

Steve Raucci And I knew I could get arrested for it, but-- and I swear to God I wish they could give me a lie detector for this and everything-- I thought the worst that could happen was, oh, yeah, I know I'm going to get arrested.

史蒂夫·劳奇（Steve Raucci） 我知道我可能会因此被捕，但是——我向上帝发誓，我希望他们能给我一个测谎仪来检测这一切——我想可能发生的最糟糕的情况是，哦，是的，我知道我会被捕。

But you don't go to prison for property damage.

但你不会因为财产损失而入狱。

That's what's going through my-- I'm just thinking, this was property damage.

这就是我所经历的——我只是在想，这是财产损失。

Graffiti-ing a house, dump paint on the car.

在房子上涂鸦，在汽车上泼油漆。

I didn't think of those as prison sentences.

我不认为这些是监禁。

I didn't think that I could end up in a place like this over that.

我没想到我会落到这样的境地。

I mean, I'm not stupid.

我是说，我并不傻。

I wouldn't have done it if I thought that was-- I actually chose the method I chose because I thought I couldn't go to prison.

如果我认为那是我就不会这样做——我实际上选择了我选择的方法，因为我认为我不能进监狱。

So you thought it out, then.

那你就想好了。

It was somewhat premeditated.

这有些是有预谋的。

You thought it out.

你想出来了。

Well, yes.

嗯，是的。

I thought out that I was never going to hurt anybody.

我想我永远不会伤害任何人。

That was for damn sure.

那是肯定的。

That's why it was a car in the driveway, or a house.

这就是为什么它是车道上的汽车或房子。

No, I never intended to hurt anybody or anything like that.

不，我从来没有打算伤害任何人或类似的事情。

Raucci told the reporter that he's been diagnosed with prostate cancer.

劳奇告诉记者，他被诊断出患有前列腺癌。

But he said he doesn't see the point in getting treated, or prolonging his life in a maximum security prison.

但他表示，他不认为在高度戒备的监狱里接受治疗或延长生命有什么意义。

[MUSIC - "WORKING CLASS HERO" BY OZZY OSBOURNE]

[音乐 - 奥兹·奥斯本的《工人阶级英雄》]

Credits Ellen Frederick Well, like, you're not my type.

艾伦·弗雷德里克 (Ellen Frederick) 嗯，你不是我喜欢的类型。

I like Matthew McConaughey.

我喜欢马修·麦康纳。

He's my type, whatever.

无论如何，他是我喜欢的类型。

Well, you thought that I just told him I put the knife right in his heart.

好吧，你以为我只是告诉他我把刀插进了他的心脏。

(HOST) IRA GLASS I'm Ira Glass.

（主持人）艾拉·格拉斯 我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。