414: Right to Remain Silent - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life distributed by Public Radio International.
序言 Ira Glass 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，由国际公共广播电台发行的《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And in our show today, we have two stories that have a lot in common, but to explain the many things they have in common right here and now would reveal so many spoilers that I'm going to say very little.
在我们今天的节目中，我们有两个故事有很多共同点，但要在这里和现在解释它们的许多共同点会暴露很多剧透，所以我不会说太多。
Rather than do the kind of introduction I usually do right here, all I'm going to say is that each of these stories centers around some guy, and the guy in each story has the right to remain silent, and he does not exercise that right.
我不想做我通常在这里做的介绍，我想说的是，每个故事都围绕着某个人，每个故事中的人都有保持沉默的权利，但他没有行使这项权利。
Like they say in the movies, he could take the easy way, or he could take the hard way.
就像电影里说的那样，他可以走简单的路，也可以走困难的路。
And each of these guys goes way out of his way to take the hard way, not totally realizing what he's getting into.
这些人中的每一个都特意走上了艰难的道路，却没有完全意识到自己正在陷入什么境地。
And let's just get right to it.
让我们开始吧。
Act One.
第一幕。
First Rule of the Apple Store: Don't Talk About the Apple Store.
Apple Store 的第一条规则：不要谈论 Apple Store。
At some point or another, you've probably known somebody like this, somebody who can't resist the urge to talk back.
在某些时候，你可能认识这样的人，他无法抗拒顶嘴的冲动。
Not out of principle, but out of sheer chemical instinct.
不是出于原则，而是纯粹出于化学本能。
It's built into his personality.
这已经融入了他的个性。
That's the guy in this first story.
这就是第一个故事中的那个人。
Ben Calhoun's the reporter.
本·卡尔霍恩是记者。
The guy in this story, and he'd tell you this himself, he's a sarcastic jerk.
这个故事中的那个人，他自己告诉你的，他是一个讽刺的混蛋。
He's honest that way.
他就是这样诚实的。
He'll say he has no filter, he has foot in mouth disease, he's a loud mouth, a big mouth.
他会说他没有过滤器，他有口蹄疫，他的嘴巴很大，嘴巴很大。
Like, this is how he described getting kicked out of Catholic high school during his sophomore year.
就像，这就是他描述大二时被天主教高中开除的经历。
I cursed at a nun.
我咒骂一个尼姑。
My English teacher was a nun, and one day she's screaming at me.
我的英语老师是一位修女，有一天她对我尖叫。
Like, "we all know you're just some little thug hoodlum.
就像，“我们都知道你只是一个小暴徒。
And I was like, "we all know you're a [BLEEP] bitch." And they were like, "you can't go to school here anymore." And I thought that was kind of ironic, because they preach forgiveness.
我当时想，“我们都知道你是个[BLEEP]婊子。”他们说，“你不能再在这里上学了。”我认为这有点讽刺，因为他们宣扬宽恕。
So what are some other instances where being like--
那么还有哪些其他例子——
Being me got me in trouble?
我的身份给我带来了麻烦？
Ben Calhoun Yeah, well just like-- mouthing off got you in trouble.
本·卡尔霍恩 是的，就像——满口脏话会给你带来麻烦。
Every day.
每天。
I got tons from the army.
我从军队得到了很多。
I got tons from high schools.
我从高中得到了很多。
I got tons from my current school.
我从现在的学校得到了很多。
I got-- relationships, my parents.
我有——人际关系，我的父母。
I don't know, I'm mouthy.
我不知道，我就是个嘴贱的人。
The mouthy guy is a guy named Joe Lipari.
这个多嘴的家伙名叫乔·利帕里（Joe Lipari）。
And I should probably say, this part of Joe's personality-- it doesn't always play badly for Joe.
我或许应该说，乔性格的这一部分——并不总是对乔不利。
Like when he was in the army, Joe talked back to a drill sergeant who was telling him to cut off his sideburns.
就像他在军队时一样，乔对一位叫他剪掉鬓角的教官顶嘴。
Joe recited the military regulations on sideburn length from memory, which made the sergeant mad, but won over his battalion commander, who became a friend and mentor for Joe.
乔凭记忆背诵了鬓角长度的军规，这让中士很生气，但赢得了营长的支持，营长成了乔的朋友和导师。
Joe also does stand-up comedy, where mouthiness is encouraged.
乔还表演单口喜剧，鼓励多嘴。
But those things, the good things-- that's not why we're here.
但那些事情，那些美好的事情——那不是我们来这里的原因。
This thing that happened to Joe, it started in September of 2009 when Joe needed a new cell phone.
发生在乔身上的事情，是从2009年9月开始的，当时乔需要一部新手机。
I switched to the iPhone with all my friends.
我和我所有的朋友都换成了iPhone。
We thought we were cool.
我们以为我们很酷。
And mine just never worked.
而我的却从来没有工作过。
It would freeze, it would shut off, I would charge it and then I would take it off the charger and immediately the battery would be empty of power.
它会冻结，它会关闭，我会给它充电，然后我将它从充电器上取下，电池会立即耗尽电量。
And it would just do all the things a computer should not do.
它只会做计算机不应该做的所有事情。
So Joe made an appointment and went to the Apple Store.
于是乔就预约去了苹果专卖店。
The staff did something they said should fixed the problem.
工作人员做了他们说应该解决问题的事情。
And if it didn't, they said, look, just bring it back and we'll give you a totally new phone.
如果没有，他们说，看，把它带回来，我们会给你一部全新的手机。
The next day, the phone crashed on him again.
第二天，手机又死机了。
So right after work, I just go to the Apple Store.
所以下班后我就去苹果商店。
I get down there and that place is a zoo.
我到了那里，那个地方是一个动物园。
It's a really pretty zoo.
这真是一个非常漂亮的动物园。
And so you get in there, and walk up to the concierge that checks your in and stuff at the Apple Store, the guy in the teal shirt.
然后你走进去，走到苹果专卖店的礼宾处，为你办理入住手续并办理手续，那个穿青色衬衫的家伙。
And any time I go up to any employee at a store I always-- because I've worked in retail many times growing up and whatever else-- I'm always very nice, like, hey how's it going?
每当我走向商店的任何员工时，我总是——因为我在成长过程中曾多次在零售业工作过，无论其他什么——我总是非常友善，就像，嘿，怎么样？
How you doing?
你怎么样？
Having a good day?
过得愉快吗？
And he's like, what can I do for you?
他说，我能为你做什么？
I was like, I was here yesterday.
我当时想，我昨天还在这里。
My phone's broken.
我的手机坏了。
They told me if I come back with it broken again, they'll just switch it out and give me a new phone.
他们告诉我，如果我回来时手机又坏了，他们就会把它换掉并给我一部新手机。
The guy said, do you have an appointment?
那人说，你有预约吗？
I said, no, I was here yesterday.
我说，不，我昨天就到了。
They gave me the impression that-- just come and it's good to go.
他们给我的印象是——来了就好，走就好。
And he said, well, we're kind of busy.
他说，好吧，我们有点忙。
It's going to be probably about a two hour wait.
大概要等两个小时左右。
I was like, cool.
我当时想，很酷。
I have a book.
我有一本书。
I'm going to go sit over here.
我要去这里坐坐。
So 30 minutes go by.
就这样30分钟过去了。
45 minutes.
45分钟。
An hour.
一个小时。
Finally, 90 minutes.
终于，90分钟了。
90 minutes and I'm like, they've got to be calling me soon.
90 分钟后我就想，他们很快就会给我打电话了。
And I just went up and was like, look it's been about two hours.
我就上去想，看，已经过去了大约两个小时。
Are we getting any closer to me getting up there?
到了那里我们离我更近了吗？
So he looks me up and he's like, oh, it's probably going to be about a two hour wait.
所以他看了我一眼，然后说，哦，可能要等大约两个小时。
I was like, I've already been here for two hours.
我当时想，我已经在这里呆了两个小时了。
There's no way I'm waiting for four hours.
我不可能等四个小时。
He was like, well if you had an appointment, this wouldn't happen.
他说，如果你有预约，这就不会发生。
That's what appointments are for.
这就是约会的目的。
You get the appointment, and then you get seen.
你得到了预约，然后你就被看到了。
And I was like, slow your roll.
我当时想，放慢你的滚动速度。
And I shoved something off the table and I stormed out.
我把桌上的东西推到了一边，然后冲了出去。
Joe hopped the subway home to Queens, and the whole way back, even after he got home, he couldn't stop thinking about it.
乔乘地铁回到皇后区，在回家的路上，甚至在他回到家后，他都无法停止思考这件事。
How can I spend $600 for a thing that does not work?
我怎么能花 600 美元买一件不起作用的东西呢？
I don't make a lot of money.
我赚的钱不多。
And so I was kind of steaming, smoking a little pot like you do.
所以我就像你一样冒着热气，抽着小壶。
It's medicinal, I promise.
这是药用的，我保证。
And I was watching Fight Club.
我当时正在看《搏击俱乐部》。
Fight Club was on TV.
电视上播放了《搏击俱乐部》。
I want you to hit me as hard as you can.
我要你用尽全力打我。
And I was just watching Fight Club, chilling out, trying to calm myself down.
我只是在看《搏击俱乐部》，放松一下，试图让自己平静下来。
So Joe's on his couch-- a big puffy boat of a couch that presumably used to be white.
所以乔坐在他的沙发上——一张蓬松的大沙发，大概以前是白色的。
Joe has his laptop.
乔有他的笔记本电脑。
He's distracting himself by looking at Facebook, and like he said, he's watching Fight Club.
他通过查看 Facebook 来分散自己的注意力，就像他说的，他正在看《搏击俱乐部》。
And the scene from Fight Club comes on where Ed Norton's boss walks in with a piece of paper and he's like, I found this in a copy machine.
《搏击俱乐部》中的场景是埃德·诺顿的老板拿着一张纸走进来，他说，我在复印机里找到了这张纸。
First rule of Fight Club is-- Second rule of Fight-- like, do you know anything about this?
搏击俱乐部的第一条规则是——搏击的第二条规则——比如，你知道这件事吗？
Well, I gotta tell you, I'd be very, very careful who you talk to about that.
好吧，我得告诉你，我会非常非常小心你和谁谈论这件事。
Because the person who wrote that is dangerous.
因为写这句话的人很危险。
And this button-down Oxford cloth psycho might just snap and then stalk from office to office within an ArmaLite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semiautomatic weapon pumping round after round into colleagues and coworkers.
这位穿着纽扣的牛津布疯子可能会突然爆发，然后拿着 ArmaLite AR-10 卡宾气动半自动武器从一个办公室走到另一个办公室，一轮又一轮地射向同事和同事。
This might be someone you've known for years.
这可能是您认识多年的人。
Someone very, very close to you.
一个与你非常非常亲近的人。
I kind of took it and paraphrased it a little bit, and my status was--
我接受了它并稍微解释了一下，我的状态是——
Joe's status on Facebook.
乔在 Facebook 上的状态。
Joe Lipari --and I'm reading it here, Joe Lipari might walk into it Apple Store on Fifth Avenue with an ArmaLite AR-10 gas-powered semiautomatic weapon and pump round after round into one of those smug, fruity little concierges.
乔·利帕里（Joe Lipari）——我正在这里读到它，乔·利帕里（Joe Lipari）可能会带着 ArmaLite AR-10 气动半自动武器走进第五大道的苹果商店，然后一轮又一轮地冲向那些自鸣得意、水果味十足的小礼宾员。
This may be someone you've known for years, someone very, very close to you.
这可能是您认识多年的人，是您非常非常亲近的人。
Just so you know, I did ask Joe about his use of the word fruity here.
正如你所知，我确实问过乔在这里使用“果味”这个词的情况。
And he told me that no, it was not homophobic.
他告诉我不，这不是恐同。
He was just trying to describe the guy's demeanor.
他只是想描述一下这个人的举止。
No, I have a gay cousin.
不，我有一个同性恋表弟。
I am the least homophobic person in the world.
我是世界上最不恐同的人。
In any case, he types this thing into Facebook and he posts it.
不管怎样，他把这个东西输入 Facebook 并发布。
And that's that.
就是这样。
For like an hour, he just sits there, feet on the coffee table.
大约一个小时，他只是坐在那里，脚放在咖啡桌上。
And I get a [KNOCKS] 'shave and a haircut, two-bits' knock on the door.
我听到[敲门]“刮胡子、理发、两位”的敲门声。
And I just think, yay, one of my buddies got in, didn't have to buzz, great.
我只是想，是的，我的一个朋友进来了，不用嗡嗡声，太好了。
Yeah, without even looking through the peephole, I swing the door open, kind of go to lean on the door jamb, and that's when I see that there's an officer here, standing right in front of the door, two behind him, and one at the top of the stairs covering the high ground.
是的，我什至没有通过猫眼看，就把门打开，想靠在门框上，就在那时我看到有一名军官，站在门前，两个人在他身后，一个人站在覆盖高地的楼梯顶部。
These weren't regular, uniformed cops.
这些不是穿着制服的普通警察。
They were the guys in street clothes, the guys with black bulletproof vests.
他们是穿着便服、穿着黑色防弹背心的人。
One of them had a machine gun.
其中一人拿着机关枪。
All guns drawn, badges out, cliche policemen sunglasses, you know the whole nine yards.
所有的枪都拔出来了，徽章都拿出来了，还有陈词滥调的警察墨镜，你知道整个九码。
And the guy at the door's like, are you Joe Lipari?
门口的人问，你是乔·利帕里吗？
And I was like, uh, yeah.
我当时想，呃，是的。
Well you seem pretty nervous Joe.
好吧，乔，你看起来很紧张。
Well, not every day a guy with an MP5 is knocking on my door.
好吧，并不是每天都有拿着 MP5 的家伙来敲我的门。
What can I do for you?
我能为您做什么？
Is everything OK?
一切都好吗？
And he's like, well you seem to know a lot about guns.
他说，好吧，你似乎对枪支很了解。
It's worth stopping here.
值得在这里停下来。
There was a perfectly good explanation for why Joe could identify the officer's machine gun, something called an MP5.
对于为什么乔能认出军官的机关枪（一种叫做 MP5 的东西），有一个完美的解释。
Remember, Joe was in the military.
请记住，乔曾在军队服役。
He was a marksman in the army.
他是军队里的一名神枪手。
And he could've said that.
他本来可以这么说的。
He probably should have said it.
他或许应该这么说。
But of course, he didn't.
但当然，他没有。
Well, me being a sarcastic jerk, I go, well I watch a lot of Bond movies-- which I giggle, and they don't.
好吧，我是个爱讽刺的混蛋，我看，我看了很多邦德电影——我会咯咯地笑，但他们不会。
What the officers did do then was searched Joe's apartment.
警察随后所做的就是搜查乔的公寓。
And they were asking him all kinds of confusing questions, like about explosives.
他们问他各种令人困惑的问题，比如关于爆炸物的问题。
And Joe, he was trying to figure out why they were there in the first place.
乔，他首先想弄清楚他们为什么在那里。
During the week or two before, they had caught some terrorist, or a wannabe terrorist in Queens.
在此之前的一两周内，他们在皇后区抓获了一些恐怖分子，或者是一名想成为恐怖分子的人。
So maybe, something in my building, something in the neighborhood, I had no idea.
所以也许，我的大楼里的某些东西，附近的某些东西，我不知道。
I'm just trying to defuse the situation, make jokes, trying to show these guys-- I'm not trouble.
我只是想缓和局势，开个玩笑，试图向这些人表明——我不是麻烦。
I couldn't be any further from it.
我不能再离它更远了。
Also remember, while all this is going on, Joe is high.
还要记住，当这一切发生时，乔很兴奋。
Cops with machine guns are all over his apartment, pulling out drawers and tearing things apart.
他的公寓里到处都是拿着机枪的警察，拉开抽屉，把东西撕得粉碎。
He has no idea why, and he's totally stoned.
他不知道为什么，他完全愣住了。
The one cop point at the marijuana on the coffee table and kind of snickers.
一名警察指着咖啡桌上的大麻，窃笑起来。
And the other one is like, well, are you a big fan of the reefer?
另一个问题是，好吧，你是冷藏箱的忠实粉丝吗？
I said, I kind of go through phases if there's a stressful day.
我说，如果有一天压力很大，我会经历几个阶段。
And two of them go looking around, and the one stays back with me.
其中两个人四处张望，一个人留在后面陪着我。
And he tries to buddy-buddy with me.
他试图和我成为好朋友。
He's like, yeah, I understand.
他说，是的，我明白。
I used to be an alcoholic.
我曾经是个酒鬼。
And in my mind, I'm like, well it's not really the same thing, but all right.
在我看来，我想，这并不是同一件事，但没关系。
And the one cop comes back.
那个警察回来了。
And he's like, do you know what an AR-10 is?
他说，你知道 AR-10 是什么吗？
And I was like, is that why you're here?
我当时想，这就是你来这里的原因吗？
I was almost dumbfounded-- in my mind, I'm like how in the hell are the cops here because of Facebook?
我几乎惊呆了——在我心里，我想警察到底是怎么因为 Facebook 才来到这里的？
Of all the dumb things I've done in my life.
我一生中做过的所有愚蠢的事情。
It's a joke.
这是一个笑话。
It's a quote from a movie, guy.
这是电影里的台词，伙计。
The movie's on in the other room.
电影正在另一个房间里放映。
I can rewind it, if you like.
如果你愿意的话我可以倒带。
And then, the one cop was like, well we need to take you downtown for questioning.
然后，一名警察说，我们需要带你去市中心接受讯问。
Homeland security wants to talk to you.
国土安全部想和你谈谈。
I was like, really?
我当时想，真的吗？
The cops escorted Joe downstairs and he saw that they weren't alone.
警察护送乔下楼，他发现他们并不孤单。
They'd actually brought back up.
他们实际上带回来了。
There were two extra police cars with officers waiting, in case the guys with the bulletproof vests and the machine gun needed help.
还有两辆额外的警车和警察在等候，以防那些穿着防弹背心和机关枪的人需要帮助。
They took Joe to a station in Queens and threw him into an interrogation room.
他们将乔带到皇后区的一个警察局，并将他扔进审讯室。
Like in Batman , where they leave the Joker.
就像在《蝙蝠侠》中，他们留下了小丑。
It's the same thing.
这是同样的事情。
All blank walls, one mirror, which is probably a two-way, crappy table, crappy chairs, and one guy offers you coffee.
所有空白的墙壁，一面镜子，可能是一张双向的，破烂的桌子，破烂的椅子，还有一个人给你提供咖啡。
And I'm in the interrogating room for a good three, three and a half hours.
我在审讯室待了整整三个、三个半小时。
Just different people questioning me, taking turns with me-- good cop/bad cop, bad cop/bad cop, good cop/good cop.
只是不同的人轮流质疑我——好警察/坏警察，坏警察/坏警察，好警察/好警察。
Joe was sure once he explained the situation, they'd see it was a mistake and everything would shake out.
乔确信一旦他解释了情况，他们就会发现这是一个错误，一切都会发生变化。
It wasn't until four months later that Joe understood he was in serious trouble.
直到四个月后，乔才意识到自己遇到了严重的麻烦。
I brought a copy of the court records to our interview.
我在面谈时带来了法庭记录的副本。
Those are the actual charges against you.
这些是对你的实际指控。
A PL240-60 and a PL490-20.
PL240-60 和 PL490-20。
The one is make terroristic threats, and the second one is false report of a public building and place.
一是制造恐怖威胁，二是虚假报道公共建筑和场所。
When the DA gets up-- or the assistant DA, whatever you call them-- gets up and reads, in front of the judge, reads the charges and then reads the quote aloud in the court room-- and you could just feel everyone in the court room sink.
当地方检察官（或助理地方检察官，无论你怎么称呼他们）站起来，在法官面前宣读指控，然后在法庭上大声朗读引文时，你会感觉到法庭上的每个人都沉了下去。
Like you could hear a pin drop.
就像你能听到一根针掉落的声音。
In retrospect, it sounds bad.
回想起来，这听起来很糟糕。
And the judge even looked at me with a weird look.
法官甚至用一种奇怪的眼神看着我。
And I start giggling.
我开始咯咯地笑。
When it gets to the AR-10, I giggle.
当谈到 AR-10 时，我咯咯地笑了。
The ADA was like, the people understand that Mr. Lipari is a comedian and what he said is for the benefit of his friend.
ADA 的反应是，人们都知道利帕里先生是一位喜剧演员，他所说的都是为了他朋友的利益。
And so, right there, I'm like, so why are we even here if you understand it?
所以，就在那里，我想，如果你明白的话，我们为什么还要在这里呢？
If you understand I'm just a schmuck that doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, why are we here?
如果你明白我只是一个不知道什么时候该闭嘴的笨蛋，那我们为什么会在这里？
Since then, Joe's been to court more than half a dozen times over this.
从那时起，乔就此事上法庭六次以上。
And from the sound of it, he hasn't been making things any easier for himself.
从声音来看，他并没有让自己的事情变得更容易。
By his own account, he's given one or two speeches about the Constitution and about how the terrorists have won.
根据他自己的说法，他发表过一两次有关宪法和恐怖分子如何获胜的演讲。
Not exactly one to dress for court, Joe recently got scolded for wearing Hawaiian shorts in the courtroom.
乔并不是一个适合出庭着装的人，最近因为在法庭上穿着夏威夷短裤而受到批评。
Joe pointed to the guy next to him and said, that guy's wearing sweatpants.
乔指着他旁边的那个人说，那个人穿着运动裤。
This brings us to what might actually be the most remarkable thing about Joe's whole story, which is this.
这给我们带来了乔整个故事中最引人注目的事情，那就是这个。
Most of us learn at some point in our lives that we shouldn't always say whatever impulsive thing we feel like saying.
我们大多数人在一生中的某个时刻都知道，我们不应该总是说出我们想说的冲动的话。
And if we didn't learn that lesson, by getting in trouble in school or making someone cry, the day the cops showed up at our door with machine guns, or the day we had to stand up in court and face felony terrorism charges over a broken cell phone-- those things would be a red light, where we would stop and reevaluate.
如果我们没有吸取这个教训，在学校遇到麻烦或让别人哭泣，警察拿着机关枪出现在我们家门口的那一天，或者我们不得不站在法庭上并因手机损坏而面临重罪恐怖主义指控的那一天，这些事情将成为红灯，我们将停下来重新评估。
But has Joe reevaluated, considered whether his life would be easier if he changed?
但乔有没有重新评估，考虑过如果他改变了，他的生活是否会更轻松？
No. I don't think so.
不，我不这么认为。
I haven't yet.
我还没有。
No. Yeah, I don't think I've ever gotten to a point where I'm like, oh man, I'm going to change who I am.
不，是的，我认为我还没有达到这样的地步，天哪，我要改变自己。
No, absolutely not.
不，绝对不是。
I can't.
我不能。
I don't know how.
我不知道怎么办。
Even if I wanted to shut my mouth more often, I don't think I have the facilities to do so.
即使我想更频繁地闭嘴，我也不认为我有能力这样做。
Why not?
为什么不呢？
Joe Lipari I don't know.
乔·利帕里 我不知道。
I can't.
我不能。
I don't want to.
我不想。
I don't want to-- because some of the people who love me, love me for that.
我不想——因为有些爱我的人因此而爱我。
The people who hate me, hate me for that.
那些讨厌我的人，因此而讨厌我。
So why am I going to worry about the people who hate me and not the people who love me?
那么为什么我要担心那些恨我的人而不是那些爱我的人呢？
In the last few months, the District Attorney's office offered Joe a number of plea deals.
在过去的几个月里，地方检察官办公室向乔提出了多项认罪协议。
Some of them were pretty good.
其中一些非常好。
Most recently, a misdemeanor with some community service.
最近，涉及一些社区服务的轻罪。
Joe rejected all of them.
乔拒绝了所有人。
He wanted a jury trial.
他想要陪审团审判。
He was sure no jury would convict him.
他确信陪审团不会判他有罪。
Finally, Joe went back to court again.
最后，乔再次回到法庭。
And it seems he kind of won.
看来他赢了。
He's got what's called an adjournment and contemplation of dismissal, which essentially means his case is on ice for the next six months.
他面临着所谓的休庭和考虑解雇，这实质上意味着他的案件在接下来的六个月内处于冻结状态。
And then, the prosecutors will drop the charges against him.
然后，检察官将撤销对他的指控。
There is, of course, one hitch to all that, one thing that could ruin this and put Joe right back on the hook.
当然，这一切都有一个障碍，一件事可能会毁了这一切，让乔重新陷入困境。
During the next six months, Joe's got to stay out of trouble.
在接下来的六个月里，乔必须远离麻烦。
[MUSIC - "RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT" BY THE SILVER JEWS]
[音乐 - 白银犹太人的“保持沉默的权利”]
Ben Calhoun is one of the producers of our show.
本·卡尔霍恩是我们节目的制片人之一。
Coming up, another guy who's got no problem standing up to the police though in his case it's because he is the police.
接下来是另一个敢于反抗警察的人，尽管在他的案件中这是因为他是警察。
That's in a minute.
就在一分钟之内。
From Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，来自芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Our show today-- Right to Remain Silent.
我们今天的节目——保持沉默的权利。
We have two stories of people who very much do not choose to remain silent.
我们有两个故事，讲述的是人们非常不选择保持沉默。
We've arrived at act two of our show.
我们已经到了演出的第二幕了。
Act Two.
第二幕。
Is That a Tape Recorder in Your Pocket, or Are You Just Unhappy to See Me?
那是你口袋里的录音机，还是你只是不高兴见到我？
Adrian Schoolcraft is a New York City policeman who decided to secretly record himself and his fellow officers on the job-- all day, every workday, he says for 17 months.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特 (Adrian Schoolcraft) 是纽约市的一名警察，他决定秘密记录自己和同事的工作情况——他说，这一记录持续了 17 个月，每天、每个工作日。
Including lots of days when he was ordered to do all kinds of things cops are not supposed to do.
包括很多天他被命令做各种警察不应该做的事情。
It's led to a small scandal, Several people removed from their jobs, and four investigations of the New York Police Department.
这导致了一场小丑闻，几人被解雇，纽约警察局进行了四项调查。
Though Adrian insists he didn't get into this looking for trouble.
尽管阿德里安坚称他并不是来找麻烦的。
His father is a police officer, and, I would say, he went along with the program for a few years.
他的父亲是一名警察，我想说，他参与了这个项目几年。
This is the reporter who broke the story in The Village Voice about Adrian and what he recorded those 17 months, a reporter named Graham Rayman.
这位在《乡村之声》中爆料了阿德里安及其这 17 个月的记录的记者，名叫格雷厄姆·雷曼 (Graham Rayman)。
When I asked Graham what Adrian, the person at the center of this scandal, is like, the first thing out of his mouth is--
当我问格雷厄姆，处于丑闻中心的阿德里安是什么样的人时，他嘴里说的第一句话是——
I would describe him as an extremely earnest person, almost-- in this cynical age-- almost to the point of almost too earnest.
我会把他形容为一个极其认真的人，在这个愤世嫉俗的时代，几乎到了几乎太认真的地步。
He actually believed that he could get the police commissioner to change certain things about how the police department was being run.
他实际上相信他可以让警察局长改变警察局运作方式的某些事情。
Adrian Schoolcraft was working in Brooklyn-- precinct 81, in Bedford-Stuyvesant, a rough neighborhood, mostly black, that was slowly gentrifying.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特 (Adrian Schoolcraft) 在布鲁克林贝德福德-斯图文森 (Bedford-Stuyvesant) 81 区工作，这是一个简陋的社区，大部分是黑人，正在慢慢中产阶级化。
The precinct is just seven blocks wide and 20 blocks long, roughly, and had 13 murders last year, which is a third of what it used to be.
该辖区大约只有 7 个街区宽、20 个街区长，去年发生了 13 起谋杀案，是以前的三分之一。
Adrian's kind of an electronics buff, and he bought himself one of those tiny digital recorders, tucked it in his breast pocket, and started recording-- as he walked his beat, when he talked to other cops--
阿德里安是个电子爱好者，他给自己买了一台微型数字录音机，把它塞进胸前的口袋里，然后开始录音——当他行走时，当他与其他警察交谈时——
--morning roll calls.
——晨间点名。
Police Sergeant Enison.
艾尼森警长。
The only reason the thought entered my head was because-- to protect myself.
这个想法进入我脑海的唯一原因是——保护我自己。
This is Adrian.
这是阿德里安。
Adrian Schoolcraft Like any other officer would carry a recorder-- was to protect themselves from any false accusations.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特像其他警官一样携带录音机——是为了保护自己免受任何虚假指控。
Usually from civilians who are upset.
通常来自心烦意乱的平民。
How big was the recorder?
录音机有多大？
Adrian Schoolcraft Oh, about the size of a pack of gum.
Adrian Schoolcraft 哦，大约是一包口香糖大小。
The atmosphere at the 81st precinct was set by its commander, Stephen Mauriello.
第 81 分局的气氛是由其指挥官史蒂芬·莫里埃洛 (Stephen Mauriello) 主导的。
When Mauriello showed up, Adrian Schoolcraft says, things changed.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特说，当莫里耶洛出现时，事情发生了变化。
Offices were told to write more tickets, do more stop-and-frisks, arrest more people for low level offenses that they might otherwise let go-- get their numbers up.
各办公室被告知要开出更多罚单，进行更多拦截搜查，逮捕更多因低级犯罪而可能会被放走的人——增加逮捕人数。
The pressure definitely increased when he arrived and took over as the commanding officer.
当他来到并接任指挥官后，压力无疑增加了。
The analogy I would uses is like having a boot to the back of your heel.
我会使用的类比就像是在你的脚后跟后面穿一双靴子。
It is do this or else.
要么做这个，要么做别的。
The rent's due.
房租该交了
The rent's due?
房租到期了？
Adrian Schoolcraft The rent is due.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特 租金到期了。
Pay the rent.
付房租。
Did you pay the rent last month?
你上个月的房租付了吗？
Pay the rent means did you get your numbers?
付了房租就意味着你拿到电话号码了吗？
Correct.
正确。
Ira Glass Now, it's perfectly legal for police to be told-- like anybody in any job-- here's the amount of work that we expect you to do, number of tickets and arrests that are normal for somebody in your job in this neighborhood.
Ira Glass 现在，警察被告知是完全合法的——就像从事任何工作的任何人一样——我们希望你做的工作量、罚单数量和逮捕次数对于你在这个社区的工作中的人来说是正常的。
But what's not allowed is to penalize police officers who do not make those targets.
但不允许的是惩罚没有达到这些目标的警察。
We don't want police officers under such pressure to deliver numbers that they make stops and arrests and write summons with no valid reason, just to get their goals.
我们不希望警察承受如此大的压力，为了达到他们的目标而无缘无故地拦截、逮捕和写传票。
Again, reporter Graham Rayman.
又是记者格雷厄姆·雷曼。
In other words, as a police supervisor I can't tell you, you better give me 20 tickets a month or else I'm going to transfer you to the graveyard shift.
换句话说，作为警察主管我不能告诉你，你最好每个月给我20张罚单，否则我就把你调到墓地值班。
There can't be a direct relationship between the two.
两者之间不可能有直接关系。
It's against the law.
这是违法的。
Ira Glass Oh, it's against the law?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）哦，这是违法的吗？
Yeah, there's a state law against that kind of thing.
是的，州法律禁止此类事情。
But what was happening in the precinct, and what the tapes show repeatedly, is that they were tying it to disciplinary action.
但该辖区发生的事情以及录像带反复显示的情况是，他们将其与纪律处分联系在一起。
They were threatening the cops.
他们威胁警察。
If you don't hit your numbers, you'll get transferred, you'll lose your assignment, we'll change your partner, you'll go on a foot post, you can be given a worse assignment.
如果你没有达到目标，你就会被调动，你会失去你的任务，我们会更换你的搭档，你会被调走，你可能会被分配到更糟糕的任务。
On November 1, 2008, one sergeant declares at a roll call, quote "they are looking at these numbers and people are going to be moved.
2008 年 11 月 1 日，一名中士在点名时宣称，“他们正在查看这些数字，人们将会被感动。
They can make your job real uncomfortable, and we all know what that means." On December 8, 2008, the sergeant tells the officers that if they don't get their activity up, quote, "there's some people here that may not be here come next month."
他们会让你的工作变得非常不舒服，我们都知道这意味着什么。”2008 年 12 月 8 日，中士告诉警官们，如果他们不采取行动，引用的话，“这里有些人可能下个月就不会来了。”
There's some people here that may not be here come next month.
这里有些人下个月可能不会来。
Because officially the NYPD doesn't allow numeric quotas to be tied to job performance, you hear the supervisors in the recording sometimes get into real verbal contortions to get the point across.
因为纽约警察局官方不允许将数字配额与工作绩效挂钩，所以你会听到录音中的主管有时会用真正的言语扭曲来表达观点。
Like in this excerpt from a roll call the first month that Schoolcraft was recording, June 2008.
就像 Schoolcraft 录制第一个月（2008 年 6 月）的点名节选一样。
The XO was in the other day.
XO 是在前几天。
I don't know who was here.
我不知道谁在这里。
He actually laid down a number.
他实际上定下了一个数字。
I'm just going to repeat this because it's hard to hear.
我只是要重复一遍，因为这很难听。
"The XO was in the other day," that's a commanding officer, right?
“前几天是 XO，”那是一名指挥官，对吗？
The Execuitve Officer.
执行官。
Ira Glass Or, the Executive Officer.
Ira Glass Or，执行官。
--"was in the other day.
——”是在前几天。
He laid down a number."
他留下了一个数字。”
All right.
好的。
So, I'm not going to quote him on that, because I don't want to be quoted stating numbers.
所以，我不会引用他的话，因为我不想被引用来说明数字。
I'm not going to quote him on that, because I don't want to be quoted stating members.
我不会引用他的话，因为我不想被引用来声明成员。
All right.
好的。
He wants at least three seat belts, one cell phone, and 11 others.
他想要至少 3 条安全带、一部手机和其他 11 条。
"He wants three seat belts, one cell phone, and 11 others." What does that mean?
“他想要三条安全带、一部手机和其他十一个。”这意味着什么？
He wants three seat-belt summonses, tickets for people not wearing their seat-belt, one cell phone, someone driving in their car talking on the cell phone, and eleven others, there are dozens of other categories of summonses that you can give people.
他想要三张安全带传票、未系安全带者的罚单、一部手机、开车时打电话的人以及其他十一张传票，您可以向人们发出数十种其他类别的传票。
I don't know what the number is, but that's what he wants.
我不知道这个数字是多少，但这就是他想要的。
I don't know what the number is, but that's what he wants.
我不知道这个数字是多少，但这就是他想要的。
That's a really-- what does that mean?
这真的是什么意思？
He's playing the same game.
他正在玩同一个游戏。
He knows he's not supposed to state a number, but he wants to get his point across.
他知道他不应该说出一个数字，但他想表达自己的观点。
So it's kind of like, if you remember All the President's Men , it's a non-denial denial.
所以这有点像，如果你还记得《总统班底》，那就是一种非否认的否认。
Adrian Schoolcraft says he isn't exactly sure when, but at some point he had decided that it was important to document the orders that he was given that he thought were out of line.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特说，他不太确定具体是什么时候，但在某个时候，他决定记录下他认为不合规矩的命令很重要。
He recorded roll calls where officers were constantly being told to do more stop-and-frisks, even though it's illegal to stop a random person on the street and frisk them without reasonable suspicion.
他记录了点名，警察不断被告知要进行更多的拦截搜查，尽管在没有合理怀疑的情况下在街上随机拦截一个人并搜查他们是违法的。
In December 2008, a sergeant tells officers to stop-and-frisk quote, "anybody walking around, no matter what the explanation is." He recorded Stephen Mauriello, the commander the 81st precinct-- and the person Adrian Schoolcraft says really brought the hammer down for higher numbers-- ordering the officers to arrest everyone they see.
2008 年 12 月，一名警官要求警察拦截并搜身，“任何在附近走动的人，无论解释是什么。”他记录了第 81 分局指挥官斯蒂芬·莫里埃洛（阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特所说的那个人）真正下令逮捕他们看到的所有人。
This happens in a couple of recordings, like this one from Halloween 2008.
这种情况发生在几张录音中，比如 2008 年万圣节的这张录音。
Any roving bands-- you hear me-- roving bands more than two or three people--
任何流动乐队——你听到我说的——超过两三个人的流动乐队——
He's saying "any roving bands of more than two or three people"-- he's talking about just people going around on Halloween night--
他说的是“任何超过两三个人的流动乐队”——他指的是在万圣节之夜四处走动的人——
I want them stopped-- Ira Glass I want them stopped--
我希望他们停止——艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我希望他们停止——
--throw them in here, run some warrants.
——把它们扔在这里，执行一些搜查令。
--throw them in here, run some warrants.
——把它们扔在这里，执行一些搜查令。
You're on a foot post?
你在脚柱上吗？
[BLEEP] it.
[哔]它。
Take the first guy you've got and lock them all up.
带上你的第一个人，把他们全都锁起来。
Boom.
繁荣。
You're on a foot post?
你在脚柱上吗？
F it.
合身。
Take the first guy you've got, lock them all up.
带上你的第一个人，把他们都锁起来。
Boom.
繁荣。
We're going to go back out and process them later on, I've got no problems--
我们稍后会回去处理它们，我没有任何问题--
--go back out and then we'll come back in and process them later on."
——先出去，然后我们稍后再回来处理它们。”
Yes.
是的。
Yeah, what he's saying is, arrest people simply for the purpose of clearing the streets.
是的，他的意思是，为了清理街道而逮捕人。
Again, Graham Rayman.
又是格雷厄姆·雷曼。
He says the problem with that is--
他说问题在于——
There has to be a violation of the law to make an arrest.
必须有违法行为才能逮捕。
He's essentially making the arrest before the crime takes place.
他基本上是在犯罪发生之前逮捕的。
This is an example of something that I would say-- they're going out in the street and just grabbing people-- that's unlawful imprisonment.
这是我想说的一个例子——他们走到街上抓人——这是非法监禁。
It's an illegal arrest.
这是非法逮捕。
That's John Eterno, a former New York City cop, who went up the ranks from officer to sergeant, to lieutenant, to captain.
这就是约翰·埃特诺（John Eterno），前纽约市警察，他从军官晋升为中士、中尉、上尉。
He now chairs the Department of Criminal Justice at Molloy College and researches and writes about police practices with Professor Eli Silverman.
他现在担任莫洛伊学院刑事司法系主任，与伊莱·西尔弗曼教授一起研究和撰写有关警察实践的文章。
And he says that some of the things that Adrian Schoolcraft documented on his recordings were no surprise to anybody-- like sergeants hounding officers to get their numbers up.
他说，阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特在他的录音中记录的一些事情对任何人来说都不奇怪——比如中士追捕军官以增加人数。
That's been happening in every precinct for a long time, he says.
他说，这种情况在每个辖区已经发生很长时间了。
But for commanders to tell cops, just lock people up and figure it out later-- Eterno says the word for that is kidnapping.
但如果指挥官告诉警察，先把人关起来，然后再弄清楚——埃特诺说，这就是绑架。
That's exactly what it is.
正是如此。
They're just pulling people off the street.
他们只是把人们从街上拉走。
It's an unlawful imprisonment and they're being kidnapped.
这是非法监禁，他们正在被绑架。
If they don't have probable cause, you cannot grab people off the street.
如果他们没有合理的理由，你就无法从街上抓人。
It is kidnapping.
这是绑架。
At this point, from what I'm hearing on this tape, it seems to me that this is probably illegal behavior that's taking place on the part of the police department.
此时，从我在录音带中听到的内容来看，在我看来，这可能是警察部门正在发生的非法行为。
We were arrested, they take us to the 81st precinct, put us in lock up for maybe an hour or two.
我们被捕了，他们把我们带到第 81 分局，关了我们大概一两个小时。
And they processed us and checked for warrants.
他们对我们进行了处理并检查了搜查令。
And once they see no warrants, they let us go, but we were still issued a citation.
一旦他们发现没有搜查令，他们就放了我们，但我们仍然收到了传票。
Andre Wade has lived in the neighborhood for over twenty years.
安德烈·韦德 (Andre Wade) 在附近居住了二十多年。
He's a commercial driver.
他是一名商业司机。
One day, he and two friends were picking up his brother to go to work together.
有一天，他和两个朋友一起接弟弟去上班。
They were standing on the sidewalk, and a police officer came over, and said they were trespassing.
他们站在人行道上，一名警察走过来，说他们非法侵入。
When his brother came down and confirmed, no, no they were there to pick them up, Andre says the officer wouldn't listen.
当他的兄弟下来并确认，不，不，他们是来接他们的时候，安德烈说警官不听。
He was just saying stuff like, you know you're not supposed to be standing here.
他只是说，你知道你不应该站在这里。
He started getting upset when we were trying to talk him out of giving us the citations.
当我们试图说服他不要给我们传票时，他开始感到不安。
And it's like he just got out of control.
就好像他刚刚失控一样。
He got real erratic and got on the radio.
他变得非常不稳定并打开了收音机。
And the next thing you know, we turn around and there's eight, nine police cars.
接下来你知道的，我们转身看到八、九辆警车。
It was to the point to where you would think that somebody was getting arrested for murder, or something like that.
到了你会认为有人因谋杀或类似的事情而被捕的地步。
And they were just jumping out of their vehicles, and me and my buddies already knew that we were in for a ride.
他们刚从车上跳下来，我和我的伙伴们就知道我们要搭便车了。
The citation that the police gave Wade lists his name, the day that he's supposed to appear in court, but in the spot where it's supposed to specify his crime--
警方给韦德的传票列出了他的名字、他应该出庭的日期，但在应该具体说明他的罪行的地方——
Yes, in that field of the ticket there was nothing-- no violation.
是的，罚单的那个字段没有任何内容——没有违规。
The violation was blank.
违规行为是空白的。
One of the producers of our radio show lives in the 81st precinct.
我们广播节目的一位制作人住在第 81 分局。
And she says that it's one of those neighborhoods where everybody has stories of ridiculous tickets.
她说，这是一个每个人都有荒唐罚单故事的社区之一。
One of her neighbors was bringing his aunt home from the hospital, and he double parked.
她的一位邻居正把他的姨妈从医院接回家，他把车停在了旁边。
Two officers told him to move his car, and when he didn't, he was handcuffed, forced to lie down in the street, and tasered twice-- all in front of a crowd of people, including her, who live on the block and heard him calling for help.
两名警察让他移开汽车，当他没有这样做时，他被戴上手铐，被迫躺在街上，并被电击两次——所有这些都是当着一群人的面，包括她，她住在街区，听到他呼救。
One common citation is for having an open container of alcohol.
一个常见的引用是持有一个开着的酒精容器。
One neighbor says he was walking home from church with his six year old daughter, drinking a small carton of Tropicana orange juice, and he got a ticket for that.
一位邻居说，他和六岁的女儿从教堂步行回家，喝了一小盒纯果乐橙汁，结果他收到了一张罚单。
Others got tickets for water and Gatorade that was being given away at the park.
其他人则获得了公园赠送的水和佳得乐的门票。
George Walker has lived on the same block for over 40 years and says older guys like him get a lot of tickets.
乔治·沃克 (George Walker) 在同一个街区住了 40 多年，他说像他这样的老人会得到很多门票。
He thinks maybe they're targeted because they don't give the cops any fuss.
他认为他们之所以成为目标，可能是因为他们不向警察大惊小怪。
He says he's gotten a dozen tickets this past year, nearly all for open container, even though he says he wasn't drinking alcohol.
他说，去年他收到了十几张罚单，几乎都是开着容器的罚单，尽管他说自己没有喝酒。
Every last ticket was dismissed.
最后一张票都被驳回了。
Every one was not a valid ticket.
每一张都不是有效的门票。
Because if you see someone drinking alcohol, and you give them a ticket for open container, you have to name what they were drinking.
因为如果你看到有人喝酒，你给他们一张开瓶酒的票，你就必须说出他们喝的是什么。
But if they can't name it, they just say cup with alcohol in it.
但如果他们不能说出具体名称，他们只会说杯子里有酒精。
But that's not the name of the alcohol, so it gets dismissed-- because it wasn't alcohol in the first place.
但这不是酒精的名称，所以它被忽略了——因为它本来就不是酒精。
But they feel like they can do anything the want to us.
但他们觉得他们可以对我们做任何想做的事。
So in this police station, where everybody's obsessed with how many tickets they're writing-- where cops are told to pull people off corners and throw them in jail and figure out later what to charge them with-- comes Adrian Schoolcraft, who had no interest in making his numbers.
因此，在这个警察局里，每个人都痴迷于自己开了多少罚单——警察被告知要把人从角落里拉出来，把他们扔进监狱，然后再想办法对他们提出什么指控——阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特来了，他对开罚单没有兴趣。
No, I never tried to make anything happen.
不，我从来没有试图让任何事情发生。
I went out there, and you walk you beat.
我出去了，你走着走着就打败了。
And whatever happened, happened.
无论发生什么，都发生了。
When you would talk to other officers in the precinct, did you have friends who felt the same way?
当您与辖区内的其他警官交谈时，您是否有朋友有同样的感觉？
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass And would they not get the numbers, or would they get the numbers?
Ira Glass 他们会得不到这些数字，还是会得到这些数字？
They would get the numbers.
他们会得到数字。
It's easier.
更容易了。
Especially if you have a wife, kids.
尤其是如果你有妻子、孩子。
Then they're devoted to their pension and retiring.
然后他们就致力于养老金和退休。
No. Ira Glass And so you wouldn't go up to people just to give them a ticket?
不。 Ira Glass：所以你不会走到人们面前只是为了给他们一张票？
It just wasn't right.
这是不对的。
I found I was getting along with a lot of the local business owners, and I started interacting with the residents, and they would tell me who the problems were.
我发现我和很多当地的企业主相处得很好，我开始和居民互动，他们会告诉我问题出在哪里。
Now, if you start messing with the residents, and you start going into the barber shops and writing summonses that I don't feel police officers have any business writing-- they didn't sweep the floor of hair-- these are the same people that could help you perform your job as a patrolman or a police officer.
现在，如果你开始惹恼居民，你开始走进理发店并写传票，我不认为警察有任何业务写作——他们没有扫地板上的头发——这些人可以帮助你履行巡警或警察的工作。
That was my philosophy, and it did work.
这就是我的哲学，而且确实有效。
And so did you get a lot of heat for doing this?
那么你这样做是否受到了很大的压力？
He [UNINTELLIGIBLE] pressure from supervisors.
他[无法理解]来自主管的压力。
What would they do?
他们会做什么？
Adrian Schoolcraft Well I think they considered the foot post punishment, but I always enjoyed the foot post.
Adrian Schoolcraft 嗯，我认为他们考虑了脚柱惩罚，但我一直很喜欢脚柱。
But there's also hospitalized prisoners, prisoner transports.
但也有住院的囚犯和囚犯的运输。
So they would assign you to these lousy posts?
所以他们会把你分配到这些糟糕的职位上？
Yeah.
是的。
To get my mind right, they would try those, but I accepted those as normal duties as a police officer.
为了让我的想法正确，他们会尝试这些，但我接受这些作为一名警察的正常职责。
But we still haven't gotten to the most disturbing thing documented by Adrian Schoolcraft and his recordings.
但我们仍然没有了解阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特和他的录音所记录的最令人不安的事情。
Schoolcraft shows, over and over, that sometimes when real crimes would happen, serious crimes, the 81st precinct would reclassify them as lesser crimes-- or simply not put them in the system at all-- to make it look like the precinct was doing a better job driving down crime rates than it really was.
Schoolcraft 一遍又一遍地表明，有时当真正的犯罪、严重的犯罪发生时，第 81 分局会将其重新分类为较轻的犯罪，或者干脆根本不将其纳入系统中，以使分局看起来在降低犯罪率方面比实际情况做得更好。
Again reporter Graham Rayman.
又是记者格雷厄姆·雷曼。
There's a remarkable conversation that Schoolcraft has with another officer.
斯库克拉夫特与另一位警官进行了一次精彩的对话。
And the other officer is just telling him three anecdotes of how the precinct commanding supervisor basically dumped three criminal complaints that should've been recorded.
另一名警官只是告诉他三个轶事，说明分局指挥主管如何基本上放弃了三项本应记录的刑事投诉。
Yeah, what are the stories that he tells?
是啊，他讲的故事是什么？
One is-- a young woman reports her cell phone was robbed, and the precinct commander basically says--
其中之一是——一名年轻女子报告她的手机被抢了，辖区指挥官基本上说——
--what do you want me to do?
——你想让我做什么？
What do you want to do with this?
你想用这个做什么？
What do you want us to do with this?
你想让我们用这个做什么？
How are we going to solve this?
我们要如何解决这个问题？
Are you going to get your phone back?
你要拿回你的手机吗？
You're not going to get your phone back.
你不会拿回你的手机。
I mean, he's like, "well, what if we can't get it back?" He's like, "are you going to press charges?"
我的意思是，他说，“好吧，如果我们拿不回来怎么办？”他说：“你要提出指控吗？”
He basically talks her out of filing a complaint, and that should be a robbery that should go in their numbers.
他基本上劝她不要提出投诉，这应该是一起抢劫，应该列入他们的数字中。
And one of the other ones is-- the precinct commander responds to a report of a stolen vehicle.
另外一个是——辖区指挥官对车辆被盗的报告做出回应。
And his first question is, he asks the victim have you done jail time?
他的第一个问题是，他问受害者你入狱了吗？
He's like, "you ever been arrested before?" He's like, "yeah." And he's like, "what for?"
他说：“你以前被捕过吗？”他说：“是的。”他说：“为什么？”
--which is not really a proper question to ask of a crime victim.
——这对于犯罪受害者来说并不是一个真正合适的问题。
But he asks it, and the guy says yes.
但他问了，那家伙说是的。
Yeah, I did eight years in prison when I was younger.
是的，我年轻时在监狱里待了八年。
And the precinct commander says maybe karma stole your car.
辖区指挥官说也许业力偷了你的车。
"So you think maybe Karma woke up this morning and took your car?"
“所以你认为也许卡尔玛今天早上醒来并开走了你的车？”
Karma as in the spiritual-- Police Officer He was like, "no, I don't think Karma takes cars." He's like, "I think somebody took my car."
灵性中的业力——警官他说，“不，我不认为业力会开车。”他说：“我想有人拿走了我的车。”
So he didn't take his report because he's a felon?
所以他没有接受报告是因为他是重罪犯？
Yeah.
是的。
Basically.
基本上。
Ira Glass In the end, this cop tells Adrian, their supervisor, Stephen Mauriello, told him to file the case as an unauthorized driver.
最后，这名警察告诉阿德里安，他们的主管斯蒂芬·毛里埃洛 (Stephen Mauriello) 让他以未经授权的司机身份立案。
--meaning that the guy loaned his car to somebody else who now has it.
——意思是这家伙把他的车借给了现在拥有它的其他人。
Then when the officer tried to file it that way, because he didn't have a name for the unauthorized driver, he couldn't file it at all.
然后，当警官试图以这种方式归档时，因为他不知道未经授权的司机的姓名，所以他根本无法归档。
So the robbery went unreported.
所以这起抢劫案没有被举报。
Rules go into effect in the 81st precinct that make it harder to report serious crimes.
第 81 分局生效的规定加大了举报严重犯罪的难度。
Officers are told that if there's a robbery, one of their supervisors has to come out to the scene themselves.
警察被告知，如果发生抢劫，他们的一名主管必须亲自赶到现场。
And robbery victims are told that if they don't come into the police station, no crime report will be filed at all.
抢劫受害者被告知，如果他们不去警察局，就根本不会提交犯罪报告。
After Graham Rayman started publishing these stories about Adrian Schoolcraft, retired cops and some on-duty cops started contacting him with their own anecdotes about crimes being downgraded from serious to much less serious-- the most shocking of these from a high ranking detective name Harold Hernandez.
在格雷厄姆·雷曼开始发表这些关于阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特的故事后，退休警察和一些在职警察开始与他联系，讲述他们自己的犯罪从严重降级到不太严重的轶事——其中最令人震惊的是一位名叫哈罗德·埃尔南德斯的高级侦探。
He's a very distinguished detective.
他是一位非常杰出的侦探。
He was working in the 33rd precinct in Washington Heights.
他当时在华盛顿高地第 33 分局工作。
And one morning he comes into work and there's a guy who's accused of first degree rape sitting in his interview room.
一天早上，他上班时，面试室里坐着一个被指控犯有一级强奸罪的人。
So he sits down and he looks at the guy.
于是他坐下来，看着那家伙。
And he has a little twinge, and he says, have you ever done this before?
他有点刺痛，他说，你以前这样做过吗？
And the guy said, yeah.
那家伙说，是的。
And Hernandez says, how many times?
埃尔南德斯说，多少次？
And he says, oh, I don't know, seven or eight.
他说，哦，我不知道，七个还是八个。
And Hernandez says, where?
埃尔南德斯说，哪里？
And he goes, in this neighborhood.
他就去了这个街区。
And Hernandez is now dumbstruck because there's been no report of a serial rapist-- sexual predator-- working the neighborhood.
埃尔南德斯现在目瞪口呆，因为没有关于连环强奸犯——性掠夺者——在附近工作的报道。
Like, no crimes have shown up.
就像，没有出现任何犯罪行为。
People haven't shown up saying they've been raped or assaulted.
人们还没有出现说他们被强奸或袭击了。
He hasn't been notified.
他还没有收到通知。
And he would be notified as a senior detective in the unit.
并且他会被通知为该单位的高级侦探。
It would be a very big deal.
这将是一件大事。
And so he says, can you give me the dates and locations?
他说，你能给我日期和地点吗？
And the guy says, well, I can try, but you're going to have to take me around and I'll show.
那个人说，好吧，我可以尝试，但你必须带我到处走走，我会展示。
I'll show you.
我会告诉你。
So he and a fellow detective get in the car and they drive around.
于是他和一位侦探同事上了车，开始四处兜风。
And they look, and the suspect-- whose name is Darryl Thomas-- points out the locations.
他们看了看，嫌疑人——他的名字是达里尔·托马斯——指出了地点。
And then Hernandez takes his notebook and he writes down the locations.
然后埃尔南德斯拿出笔记本记下地点。
And then he goes back and he looks through stacks of crime complaints.
然后他回去查看成堆的犯罪投诉。
And he finds them.
他找到了他们。
And he realizes that they've been classified-- they've been downgraded.
他意识到它们已经被列为机密——它们已经被降级。
They've been classified either as criminal trespassing or criminal possession of a weapon-- both relatively minor crimes, given that the actual conduct in the narrative that the victims are describing is either first degree burglary, robbery, or sexual abuse, sexual assault.
它们被归类为非法侵入或非法持有武器——这两种犯罪都相对较轻，因为受害者描述的实际行为要么是一级入室盗窃、抢劫，要么是性虐待、性侵犯。
And he confronts his bosses about it.
他还就此与老板对质。
He confronts the precinct commander.
他与辖区指挥官对峙。
And he confronts his detective squad commander.
他与他的侦探小队指挥官对峙。
And everyone just shrugs.
每个人都只是耸耸肩。
Meanwhile everyone's terrified that it's going to come out-- that these women are going to go to the press, and it's going to be a huge embarrassment, a huge scandal for the department.
与此同时，每个人都害怕这件事会被曝光——这些女性会被媒体曝光，这将是一个巨大的尴尬，对部门来说是一个巨大的丑闻。
And if it had come out, it would have been a huge scandal for the department.
如果此事泄露出去，对于该部门来说将是一个巨大的丑闻。
But the department was able to keep it quiet.
但该部门能够保持沉默。
The District Attorney's office prosecuted Thomas and he went away for 50 years.
地方检察官办公室起诉了托马斯，他失踪了 50 年。
But here's the interesting part-- they never publicized the case.
但有趣的是——他们从未公开过这个案子。
There was never a press release issued about it.
从未发布过有关此事的新闻稿。
There was never a news article written about the case.
从来没有一篇关于此案的新闻报道。
Normally, Graham says, that a case like this-- serial rapist-- they'd try to get some press.
格雷厄姆说，通常情况下，像这样的案件——连环强奸犯——他们会尝试获得一些媒体报道。
But the misclassifications of the crimes would have made the NYPD look bad.
但对罪行的错误分类会让纽约警察局看起来很糟糕。
No one was ever disciplined for what happened, for downgrading.
没有人因为发生的事情、降级而受到纪律处分。
The precinct commander was promoted twice by Commissioner Kelly.
警长凯利两次晋升该警区指挥官。
The guy who was in charge of that precinct where all this stuff happened?
那个负责发生所有这些事情的辖区的人？
Where this stuff happened.
这件事发生在哪里。
He's been promoted twice.
他已经升职两次了。
It just went on, business as usual.
一切照常进行。
Hernandez-- here's a guy who probably would've stayed in the department for 35 years, 30, 35-- as long as he could.
埃尔南德斯——这个人可能会在这个部门呆上 35 年、30 年、35 年——只要他能干多久。
But he was so upset about this incident and about other instances of downgrading and of manipulation of the crime stats that he retired.
但他对这一事件以及其他降级和操纵犯罪统计数据的事件感到非常不安，因此退休了。
And so the NYPD has denied that crimes were downgraded like this.
因此，纽约警察局否认犯罪级别如此降低。
Yeah.
是的。
Well, they said that it only happens in a very tiny percentage of cases.
嗯，他们说这种情况只发生在极少数的情况下。
And they say that the crimes stats are audited very carefully, And if it was a wider problem it would be spotted.
他们说，犯罪统计数据经过非常仔细的审核，如果这是一个更广泛的问题，就会被发现。
The New York Police Department declined our request to come onto the radio or to have the officers who supervised Adrian Schoolcraft, and who are heard on his recordings, to be interviewed about their side of all this.
纽约警察局拒绝了我们的请求，即接受电台采访，或让监督阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特（Adrian Schoolcraft）的警官（在他的录音中听到）接受采访，了解他们对这一切的看法。
But the pressure on police commanders to get better numbers really goes back to 1994, when New York started tracking crimes with a system called CompStat.
但警察指挥官面临的要求获得更好数据的压力实际上可以追溯到 1994 年，当时纽约开始使用名为 CompStat 的系统来追踪犯罪。
CompStat, for the first time, gave commanders timely, accurate data once a week on what crimes are happening, so they could send more cops to deal with it.
CompStat 首次每周向指挥官提供一次关于正在发生的犯罪行为的及时、准确的数据，以便他们可以派遣更多的警察来处理案件。
Chances are you've heard of all this.
您很可能已经听说过这一切。
It became one of the best known successes in modern policing.
它成为现代警务领域最著名的成功之一。
Serious crime has dropped an astonishing 77% in New York City since CompStat began in 1994.
自 1994 年 CompStat 启动以来，纽约市的严重犯罪率下降了 77%，令人震惊。
Other cities very quickly started imitating it-- DC, Philly, LA.
其他城市很快开始效仿——华盛顿特区、费城、洛杉矶。
Baltimore's version of CompStat ended up in a recurring plot line on the TV show The Wire , where street cops are told by the bosses to do anything to pump up their numbers.
巴尔的摩版本的 CompStat 最终出现在电视节目《火线》中反复出现的情节中，街头警察被老板告知要采取一切措施来增加他们的人数。
And the problem with CompStat, says Professor Eli Silverman, who studies the way police forces use numbers, is that the early success of CompStat created the expectation that numbers must get better every single year, no matter what.
研究警察部队使用数据方式的伊莱·西尔弗曼教授表示，CompStat 的问题在于，CompStat 的早期成功让人产生了这样的期望：无论如何，数字必须每年都变得更好。
In the beginning it was like an orange.
一开始它就像一个橙子。
You could squeeze juice from an orange in the beginning much more readily than you can as you extract juice from that orange.
一开始从橙子中榨汁比从橙子中榨汁要容易得多。
And now, it gets harder and harder to drive crime down, because you're compared to not how you were in '94, but how you were last year the same week.
而现在，降低犯罪率变得越来越难，因为你所比较的不是 94 年的情况，而是去年同一周的情况。
And when something's pushed to the excess that it is now, and numbers dominate the system, that's when you have negative consequences.
当某些事情被推到现在的程度，并且数字在系统中占主导地位时，就会产生负面后果。
As apparently the one person in the 81st precinct who was not obsessed by the numbers, Adrian Schoolcraft, by January 2009, had so displeased his bosses that they gave him a failing job evaluation that covered the entire year of 2008-- which meant one thing, Schoolcraft says.
显然，阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特是第 81 分局中唯一一个不为数字所困扰的人，到 2009 年 1 月，阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特已经让他的老板非常不高兴，以至于他们给了他一份涵盖 2008 年全年的工作评估，结果不及格——斯库克拉夫特说，这意味着一件事。
They're starting a paper trail, and they'll just keep documenting.
他们正在开始记录，并且会继续记录。
They're starting to move you out.
他们开始把你搬出去。
He hired a lawyer and appealed the evaluation, but started feeling more pressure than ever to go out and do what his bosses wanted.
他聘请了一名律师并对评估提出上诉，但开始感到比以往任何时候都更大的压力，要求他出去做老板想要的事情。
He began to get stomach pains and tightness in his chest.
他开始感到胃痛和胸闷。
He had trouble sleeping.
他睡眠困难。
Again, reporter Graham Rayman.
又是记者格雷厄姆·雷曼。
I think within the precinct, he was probably seen as a little bit eccentric.
我认为在辖区内，他可能被视为有点古怪。
And also, he wasn't going with the program.
而且，他也没有参加这个计划。
And anyone who doesn't go with the program is automatically marked.
任何不参加该计划的人都会被自动标记。
Schoolcraft began to feel that he was being retaliated against.
斯库克拉夫特开始觉得自己遭到了报复。
He got written up for taking a bathroom break without putting it in his log.
他因上厕所却没有将其记入日志而受到记录。
Another officer was written up for talking to him.
另一名警官因与他谈话而被立案。
When he went to the duty captain, he was told yes, he was being monitored.
当他去找值班队长时，他被告知是的，他正在受到监视。
Because of your past activity.
因为您过去的活动。
When people at the same level as you and the same post as you, are doing a lot more than what you do when you're out there, we don't know if you're even out there.
当与你处于同一级别、同一职位的人所做的事情比你在外面做的多得多时，我们不知道你是否还在外面。
That's the problem.
这就是问题所在。
If there's a bunch of kids on a stoop and you're walking past, the duty captain asks him, and then named some addresses where that might happen, you just go on your merry way, because you don't see anything going on?
如果门廊上有一群孩子，而你正走过，值班队长会问他，然后列出一些可能发生这种情况的地址，你就继续快乐地走，因为你没有看到任何事情发生？
Schoolcraft tells him he wouldn't just create fake charges.
斯库克拉夫特告诉他，他不会制造虚假指控。
That's a common practice here, he says.
他说，这是这里的常见做法。
Captain asks him what he means, and says in 19 years, he's never seen anybody create charges.
队长问他什么意思，并说 19 年来，他从未见过有人发起指控。
Then he asks Schoolcraft the question again.
然后他又问了 Schoolcraft 这个问题。
Those kids on the step.
那些孩子们在台阶上。
Are you going to keep walking?
你还要继续走下去吗？
No. Duty Captain Are you going to ask them if they live there?
不，值班队长你要问他们是否住在那里吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Are you going to create something there?
你打算在那里创造一些东西吗？
Because I could tell you that if that [BLEEP] told me to [BLEEP] myself.
因为我可以告诉你，如果那个[BLEEP]告诉我自己[BLEEP]。
Yeah, so you go in the handcuffs for telling me that?
是的，所以你因为告诉我这些而被戴上手铐？
Yeah.
是的。
That's it.
就是这样。
If you let that go because there's no violation, because he didn't break the law, then I feel bad for you.
如果你因为没有违规而放手，因为他没有违法，那么我为你感到难过。
Because then you have a tough job.
因为那样你的工作就会很艰难。
And then maybe you should find something else to do, you know?
然后也许你应该找点别的事做，你知道吗？
So if you call that creating something?
那么如果你称之为创造什么东西呢？
You call that creating something?
你管这叫创造什么？
Or do you call that a matter of keeping the respect, because they'll step all over you when they see you out there.
或者你认为这是保持尊重的问题，因为当他们看到你在那里时，他们会踩在你身上。
They'll do whatever they want in front of you when you're out there.
当你在外面时，他们会在你面前为所欲为。
Schoolcraft says that around this time, the recordings became about trying to keep his job.
斯库克拉夫特说，大约在这个时候，这些录音的目的是为了保住他的工作。
Somebody tells him that one of his bosses wants to force him out on psychiatric grounds.
有人告诉他，他的一位老板想以精神病为由驱逐他。
During this whole time that you were recording, who did you tell?
在你录音的整个过程中，你告诉了谁？
No. Ira Glass Were you tempted to tell anybody ever?
没有。 Ira Glass 您有想过告诉任何人吗？
He would ask me if I heard anything that day.
他会问我那天是否听到了什么。
And when you were getting these orders to get your numbers up and you wouldn't do it, what did your dad say about that?
当你收到这些命令来提高你的数字但你不这样做时，你爸爸对此怎么说？
He would just reiterate to me how the quota system-- wherever you are, whatever city you're in-- it's unethical and it's illegal.
他只是向我重申配额制度——无论你在哪里，无论你在哪个城市——都是不道德且非法的。
So he was on your side.
所以他是站在你这边的。
Adrian Schoolcraft Yes.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特 是的。
Finally in April, Schoolcraft takes off a week for stomach and chest pains and is sent to a police department doctor.
最后在四月，斯库克拉夫特因胃部和胸痛请假一周，并被送往警察局医生处。
The doctor finds nothing wrong with him physically.
医生没有发现他的身体有什么问题。
And he asked me if I was experiencing stress or anything.
他问我是否感到压力或其他什么。
I said, well, yes.
我说，嗯，是的。
Matter of fact, this is what's going on.
事实上，这就是正在发生的事情。
And he said, are you sure you want to tell me this?
他说，你确定要告诉我这个吗？
Schoolcraft says he laid it all out for the doctor-- his bad performance evaluation, the numbers he was asked to hit, and also more personal disputes with his bosses about whether his evaluation was falsified, was the precinct doing training it claimed it was doing.
斯库克拉夫特说，他为医生列出了一切——他糟糕的绩效评估，他被要求达到的数字，以及与他的老板关于他的评估是否伪造的更多个人争议，以及它声称正在做的训练的辖区。
And the police department doctor referred Schoolcraft to see a police department psychologist for an evaluation.
警察局医生转介Schoolcraft去看警察局心理学家进行评估。
And when Schoolcraft tells the psychologist the same things that he told the doctor, she asked him to turn in his gun and shield.
当斯库克拉夫特告诉心理学家他告诉医生的同样的事情时，她要求他交出枪和盾牌。
Well, she made it sound like it was normal.
嗯，她说得好像这很正常一样。
She said, it's not unusual for us to take an officer's gun and shield if he or she is having chest pains.
她说，如果警察胸痛，我们会拿走他或她的枪和盾牌，这对我们来说并不罕见。
Schoolcraft moves to a job answering phones at the precinct, where he continues to gather evidence.
斯库克拉夫特调到分局接听电话，继续收集证据。
And in October, he finally talks to the people in the police department who investigate unethical practices-- the Internal Affairs Bureau, IAB-- and it doesn't go well.
十月份，他终于与负责调查不道德行为的警察局人员——内务局、IAB——进行了交谈，但进展并不顺利。
Schoolcraft says that not only did they seem very skeptical, he claims that Internal Affairs left phone messages for him at the precinct.
斯库克拉夫特说，他们不仅看起来非常怀疑，他还声称内务部在辖区给他留下了电话留言。
He says this alerted his bosses to the fact that he was talking to Internal Affairs.
他说，这提醒了他的老板他正在与内政部交谈这一事实。
Internal Affairs does start an investigation, though.
不过，内政部确实开始了调查。
And soon, Schoolcraft gets a phone call from the division of the police department whose main purpose is to make sure that crime reporting and statistics using CompStat are accurate.
很快，Schoolcraft 接到了警察局部门打来的电话，其主要目的是确保使用 CompStat 进行的犯罪报告和统计数据准确无误。
It's called the Quality Assurance Division.
它被称为质量保证部门。
And at last, Schoolcraft says, somebody seems to take his accusations seriously.
斯库克拉夫特说，最后，似乎有人认真对待他的指控。
Investigators hear him out, ask lots of questions, and promise to look into it.
调查人员听取了他的陈述，提出了很多问题，并承诺调查此事。
I appreciate you coming in, and bringing [INAUDIBLE] to our attention.
感谢您的到来，并让我们注意到[听不清]。
He doesn't tell them that he has recordings.
他没有告诉他们他有录音。
In fact, as you can hear, he secretly records this three hour meeting with them.
事实上，正如你所听到的，他秘密地记录了与他们的这三个小时的会面。
But he does give them documentation-- real evidence to back up his charges.
但他确实向他们提供了文件——支持他指控的真实证据。
And what happens next to Adrian Schoolcraft is very, very strange.
接下来阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特发生的事情非常非常奇怪。
Just a few weeks after his meetings with Internal Affairs and QAD, he shows up to work.
与内务部和 QAD 会面后几周，他就开始上班了。
It's the end of October.
现在是十月底。
As soon as I sit down, a lieutenant approaches me and asks for my activity log.
我一坐下，一名中尉就走近我，询问我的活动日志。
Well, this activity log is where I keep a lot of my notes regarding what people are saying and the times they're saying it.
嗯，这个活动日志是我记录很多关于人们所说的内容以及他们所说的时间的笔记的地方。
And all the things, basically, you're trying to report that you think are going wrong in the precinct.
基本上，所有的事情，你都在试图报告你认为该辖区出现问题的情况。
Correct.
正确的。
And it wasn't until I got it back that I realized the cat was out of the bag.
直到我把它拿回来，我才意识到秘密已经泄露了。
He had bent the corners on some of the pages, and I saw what piqued his interest.
他把一些书页的角弄弯了，我看到了什么激起了他的兴趣。
And I became very worried, how he was looming around me-- I felt threatened by it.
我变得非常担心，他如何在我周围若隐若现——我感到受到威胁。
And again, all these officers are armed.
再说一次，所有这些军官都携带武器。
But I left with permission.
但我得到了允许才离开。
Because you though, what was going to happen?
因为你想，会发生什么？
Well, I wasn't sure.
嗯，我不确定。
I just felt his behavior worried me.
我只是觉得他的行为让我担心。
And--
还有——
But you thought he might provoke you into something, and then he would shoot you, or something?
但你认为他可能会激怒你，然后他会开枪打死你，或者什么？
That was one of the fears.
这是恐惧之一。
I'm not just an officer inside.
我不只是里面的一名军官。
Now I'm an officer that has this psych issue.
现在我是一名有这种心理问题的军官。
No one's supposed to know, but everyone knows that when you have your gun and shield taken, you've been psyched.
没有人应该知道，但每个人都知道，当你的枪和盾牌被拿走时，你会很兴奋。
And you have that brand on you.
你身上就有这个品牌。
So what's going to happen?
那么会发生什么呢？
Are they going to say I lunged at him?
他们会说我冲向他吗？
Or are they-- any kind of scenario could play out.
或者是——任何一种情况都可能发生。
And I just didn't feel comfortable, so I left.
我就是觉得不舒服，所以我就离开了。
How he left is in dispute.
他如何离开尚存争议。
Schoolcraft says that he told a sergeant that he was feeling sick and went home an hour early.
斯库克拉夫特说，他告诉一名警官他感觉不舒服，并提前一小时回家。
The police say the sergeant never said yes to this request.
警方表示，警官从未答应过这一请求。
In any case, Schoolcraft went home and went to bed.
无论如何，斯库克拉夫特回家睡觉了。
A few hours later, I received a phone call from my father, and he told me he received a phone call from my XO.
几个小时后，我接到父亲的电话，他告诉我他接到了我的 XO 的电话。
He says, look outside your window.
他说，看看窗外。
And I looked out my window and there were multiple police vehicles, and there seemed to be quite a crowd.
我向窗外望去，看到了多辆警车，而且似乎还有不少人。
[KNOCKING] [INAUDIBLE] Ira Glass Adrian has no idea what they want, but he knows the situation is bad, so he starts recording.
[敲门声] [听不清] Ira Glass Adrian 不知道他们想要什么，但他知道情况很糟糕，所以他开始录音。
31 October, 2009.
2009 年 10 月 31 日。
[KNOCKING] Ira Glass The officers open Adrian's door with a key they get from his landlord.
[敲门声] Ira Glass 警察用房东给的钥匙打开了阿德里安的门。
Adrian!
阿德里安！
Police department, buddy.
警察局，伙计。
Let me see your hands.
让我看看你的手。
They've just entered my home.
他们刚进我家。
And they were in their helmets, and gear, and tasers.
他们戴着头盔，穿戴装备，手持泰瑟枪。
They had the special weapon-- basically SWAT.
他们拥有特殊武器——基本上是特警。
You all right?
你还好吗？
Adrian Schoolcraft Yeah, I think so.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特 是的，我想是的。
Everybody's worried about you.
大家都很担心你。
They haven't heard from you.
他们没有收到你的消息。
Who's worried about me?
谁在担心我？
Michael Marino Adrian, didn't you hear us knocking on this door for a couple of hours?
迈克尔·马里诺·阿德里安，你没听到我们敲这门几个小时吗？
No. Why would I expect anyone to knock on my door?
不。为什么我会期望有人来敲我的门？
I don't know, Adrian.
我不知道，阿德里安。
But if you hear somebody knocking, normally you get up and answer it.
但如果你听到有人敲门，通常你会起身去应门。
They were kicking on that door loud and yelling.
他们大声踢那扇门并大喊大叫。
I wasn't feeling well.
我感觉不舒服。
Michael Marino All right.
迈克尔·马里诺 好吧。
Sit down.
坐下。
Sit down.
坐下。
That voice you just heard in Adrian's bedroom is a man of much higher rank than anybody in any of the recordings to this point.
你刚才在阿德里安卧室里听到的那个声音的级别比迄今为止任何录音中的任何人都要高得多。
He's the number two commander for the NYPD for all of Brooklyn North, Michael Marino.
他是纽约市警察局、整个布鲁克林北区的二号指挥官迈克尔·马里诺。
Stephen Mauriello, the head of the 81st precinct, the commander that Adrian contends had been putting pressure on all the officers to deliver better numbers, is also there in the bedroom.
第 81 分局局长斯蒂芬·莫里埃洛 (Stephen Mauriello) 也在卧室里，阿德里安称这位指挥官一直在向所有警官施加压力，要求他们提供更好的数据。
He talks next.
他接下来讲话。
You've got everybody worried.
你让大家都担心了。
They're worried about your safety.
他们担心你的安全。
All right?
好的？
Worried about what?
担心什么？
Stephen Mauriello What do you mean, worried about what?
Stephen Mauriello 你是什么意思，担心什么？
They tried calling you.
他们尝试给你打电话。
You got-- everybody's been calling you.
你——每个人都在给你打电话。
You just walked out of the precinct, you know?
你刚刚走出警局，知道吗？
That's what we're worried about.
这就是我们担心的。
Your safety, your well-being.
您的安全，您的福祉。
All right.
好的。
I'm fine.
我很好。
Ira Glass Why does he keep saying that he's worried about your safety?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：他为什么一直说他担心你的安全？
Get your stuff on.
穿上你的东西。
We're going back to the precinct.
我们要回辖区了。
Adrian, we're going to go back to the precinct.
阿德里安，我们要回警局了。
For?
为了？
Stephen Mauriello Because we're going to do it the right way.
Stephen Mauriello 因为我们将以正确的方式去做。
You can't just walk out of command--
你不能不听命令就走--
What's going to be done if I go to the 8-1?
如果我去8-1该怎么办？
What's going to be done.
将要做什么。
We're going to investigate why you left.
我们将调查你离开的原因。
I'm telling you why I left.
我告诉你我为什么离开。
I was feeling sick.
我感觉不舒服。
Adrian, that's not the reason why you leave.
阿德里安，这不是你离开的原因。
All right, you know that.
好吧，你知道的。
Adrian knows the rules and he asks if he's under arrest.
阿德里安知道规则，他询问他是否被捕。
He's not under arrest.
他没有被捕。
But the number two commander for Brooklyn North, Michael Marino, tells him he's giving him an order.
但布鲁克林北区的二号指挥官迈克尔·马里诺告诉他，他正在向他下达命令。
Listen to me.
听我说。
I'm a chief in the New York City Police Department, and you're a police officer.
我是纽约市警察局局长，你是一名警察。
So this is what's going to happen, my friend.
所以这就是将会发生的事情，我的朋友。
You've disobeyed an order, and the way you're acting is not right, at the very least.
你违抗了命令，至少你的做法是不对的。
Chief, if you-- Michael Marino Stop right there.
酋长，如果你—— 迈克尔·马里诺 就站住。
--open up your house-- Michael Marino Stop.
--打开你的房子--迈克尔·马里诺 站住。
Stop right there, son.
就停在那里，儿子。
--how would you behave?
——你会怎样表现？
Michael Marino Son, I'm doing the talking right now, not you.
迈克尔·马里诺儿子，现在是我说话，不是你。
In my apartment.
在我的公寓里。
Michael Marino In your apartment.
迈克尔·马里诺 在你的公寓里。
You are going--
你要去——
Is this Russia?
这是俄罗斯吗？
Michael Marino You are going to be suspended.
迈克尔·马里诺 你将被停职。
All right?
好的？
That's what's going to happen.
这就是将会发生的事情。
You're suspended son.
儿子，你被停职了。
That's when I found out what they-- that's what they were so desperate to accomplish.
就在那时我发现了他们——这就是他们如此渴望完成的事情。
How many people are in your bedroom at this point?
此时您的卧室里有多少人？
In the bedroom, at all times, there's at least four.
卧室里任何时候都至少有四个人。
And then there's a living room-- at least a dozen.
然后还有一间起居室——至少有十几个。
If this seems like an extreme response to you, reporter Graham Rayman confirms, it is.
记者格雷厄姆·雷曼证实，如果这对你来说似乎是一种极端的反应，那就是。
Yeah, it's very extreme for going home from work early-- an hour early.
是的，提前一个小时下班回家是非常极端的。
An officer asks Adrian if he wants medical aid-- an EMT to come check him out.
一名警官询问阿德里安是否需要医疗救助——一名急救人员会来给他检查。
Adrian's blood pressure turns out to be sky high.
阿德里安的血压原来很高。
They offer to take him to a hospital, but not his local hospital-- to one that he's never heard of.
他们提出带他去医院，但不是他当地的医院——去一家他从未听说过的医院。
And he doesn't get what they're up to, and he refuses medical attention.
他不明白他们在做什么，并且拒绝就医。
Under the law, they should leave him alone.
根据法律，他们应该放过他。
But for some reason, they will not take no for an answer.
但出于某种原因，他们不会接受“不”的答案。
Adrian, lie down in the bus and we'll go.
阿德里安，在车上躺下，我们就走。
I can lie down in my own bed.
我可以躺在自己的床上。
I haven't done anything wrong.
我没有做错任何事。
Yeah, you have.
是的，你有。
Adrian Schoolcraft OK, file it.
Adrian Schoolcraft 好的，归档。
Write it up.
把它写下来。
Again, this is Deputy Chief Marino, from Brooklyn North.
这是来自布鲁克林北区的副局长马里诺。
Right now, EMS is saying that you're acting irrational-- this is them, not us-- and that if you go to the hospital, listen to me--
现在，EMS说你的行为不理性——这是他们，不是我们——如果你去医院，听我说——
Yeah, and you're whispering in their ear--
是的，你在他们耳边低语——
Adrian, they are not-- Adrian Schoolcraft Chief, do what you've got to do.
阿德里安，他们不是——阿德里安·学校工艺主管，做你必须做的事。
--listen to me.
——听我说。
Now you have a choice.
现在你有一个选择。
You get up like a man and put your shoes on and walk into that bus--
你像个男人一样站起来，穿上鞋子，走进那辆公共汽车——
Like a man.
像个男人一样。
Michael Marino --like a man.
迈克尔·马里诺——像个男人。
Or son, they're going to treat you as an EDP and that means handcuffs.
或者孩子，他们会把你当作 EDP，这意味着给你戴上手铐。
And I do not want to see that happen to a cop.
我不想看到这种事发生在警察身上。
EDP is?
EDP 是？
Adrian Schoolcraft Emotionally Disturbed Person.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特（Adrian Schoolcraft）情绪困扰者。
Son, you've caused this.
儿子，这一切都是你造成的。
Adrian Schoolcraft I didn't cause anything.
Adrian Schoolcraft 我什么也没造成。
You have caused this.
这是你造成的。
Now you have a choice.
现在你有一个选择。
They're saying you have to go to the hospital.
他们说你必须去医院。
That's EMS.
那就是EMS。
These are trained medical professionals.
这些是训练有素的医疗专业人员。
And if you don't go, then you're not acting rationally.
如果你不去，那么你的行为就不理性。
And they say now they're afraid you're emotionally disturbed.
他们说现在他们担心你情绪失常。
It was all very surreal.
这一切都非常超现实。
At that point right there, he's very agitated.
那一刻，他非常激动。
His face is red, and I knew then that anything could happen.
他的脸涨红了，我当时就知道什么事情都有可能发生。
I had no witnesses.
我没有目击证人。
No one was living with me.
没有人和我住在一起。
So you have a choice.
所以你有一个选择。
What is it going to be?
会是什么？
I'm laying right here until I feel better.
我就躺在这里直到我感觉好一些。
OK, son.
好的，儿子。
He's EDP.
他是EDP。
He's EDP.
他是EDP。
Police Officer Put your hands behind your back.
警察将双手放在背后。
Why am I putting my hands behind my back?
为什么我要把双手放在背后？
Because you have to go to the hosptial.
因为你必须去医院。
All right, just take him.
好吧，就带他去吧。
I can't [BLEEP] understand him anymore.
我再也无法[BLEEP]理解他。
Adrian, come here.
阿德里安，过来。
Put your hands behind your back.
将双手放在背后。
[GRUNTS] Police Officer Get your hands behind your back.
[咕噜声]警察把手放在背后。
[GRUNTS] Police Officer Get one hand.
[咕噜声] 警官 伸出一只手。
Go ahead.
前进。
Get one hand.
伸出一只手。
They pulled me off the bed.
他们把我从床上拉下来。
They slammed me to the floor.
他们把我按在地板上。
The way they were stomping on my back, they were pressing on my chest in a way that it was affecting my circulation.
他们踩我的背，压我的胸部，影响了我的血液循环。
Adrian stop it.
阿德里安别这样。
Adrian Schoolcraft My chest.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特 我的胸部。
Oh, my chest.
哦，我的胸部。
During the struggle, as they cuff Adrian, the little recorder falls out of his pocket.
在打斗过程中，当他们给阿德里安戴上手铐时，小录音机从他的口袋里掉了出来。
Deputy Chief Marino spots it.
马里诺副局长发现了它。
Absolutely amazing, Adrian.
绝对令人惊奇，阿德里安。
You put your fellow police officers through this.
你让你的警察同事经历了这一切。
Absolutely amazing.
绝对惊人。
Yeah, it's a recorder.
是的，它是一个录音机。
Recording devices, and everything else-- so he's playing a game here.
录音设备，还有其他一切——所以他在这里玩游戏。
Cute.
可爱的。
So if he found that recorder, how are we hearing this tape?
那么，如果他找到了录音机，我们怎么听这盘磁带呢？
No, he found the recorder that was in my pocket.
不，他找到了我口袋里的录音机。
There was another recorder.
还有一个录音机。
The one that was running was just a recorder on the shelf.
正在运行的只是架子上的一台录音机。
In plain sight?
众目睽睽之下？
Adrian Schoolcraft I had some books around it.
Adrian Schoolcraft 我有一些关于它的书。
Now that Deputy Chief Marino has labeled Schoolcraft EDP, the police take Schoolcraft and commit him to a psychiatric ward, saying he was a danger to himself.
现在，副局长马里诺已经给 Schoolcraft EDP 贴上了“EDP”的标签，警方将他带走并送进了精神病房，称他对自己构成了危险。
Schoolcraft, who had spent months documenting his bosses telling cops to lock people up on contrived pretenses, now found himself locked up on contrived pretenses.
斯库克拉夫特花了几个月的时间记录他的老板告诉警察以人为的借口将人关起来，现在他发现自己被人为的借口所关押。
They told the hospital staff that I left work early, I yelled at my supervisor-- and I swore at my supervisors, cursed at them-- that I ran from them, and I barricaded myself in my home.
他们告诉医院工作人员，我提前下班了，我对我的主管大喊大叫——我咒骂我的主管，咒骂他们——我逃离了他们，我把自己关在家里。
Schoolcraft's father, the last person Schoolcraft talked to, is unable to find him for days.
斯库克拉夫特的父亲是斯库克拉夫特最后一个与之交谈的人，他已经好几天找不到他了。
The last he heard, his son was in an apartment surrounded by police, the next, he just vanished.
他最后一次听到时，他的儿子正在一间被警察包围的公寓里，接下来，他就消失了。
His father says he called Internal Affairs, the FBI, the press.
他的父亲说，他给内政部、联邦调查局和媒体打电话。
Finally he located him by calling around the hospitals all over Queens.
最后，他通过拨打皇后区各地的医院找到了他。
That's the only way I got out, because he confronted the hospital administration and said, here's my son's health care proxy, I'm his father.
这是我离开的唯一方法，因为他面对医院管理部门并说，这是我儿子的医疗保健代理人，我是他的父亲。
Why have you imprisoned my son here?
你为什么把我儿子囚禁在这里？
And they had no answer, and they had to release me.
他们没有任何答复，只好释放了我。
Why do you think they went so far with you?
你认为他们为什么陪你走这么远？
It seemed like an act of desperation.
这似乎是一种绝望的举动。
Panic.
恐慌。
You can look at it in a couple of different ways.
您可以用几种不同的方式来看待它。
One is that they put him in the psych ward because he tried to report corruption and misconduct.
一是他们把他送进精神病房，因为他试图举报腐败和不当行为。
They literally tried to destroy his reputation.
他们确实试图破坏他的声誉。
Like, he's literally crazy.
就像，他真的疯了。
That's the message.
这就是信息。
Yeah, right.
是的，对。
That they were trying to portray him as crazy.
他们试图把他描绘成一个疯子。
You could also look at it-- that the chief lost his temper that night.
你也可以看看，那天晚上，首领发脾气了。
Just got angry and gave an order that turns out to be a totally inappropriate order.
只是生气并发出了一个命令，结果证明这是一个完全不合适的命令。
I could see that being the case also.
我也可以看到情况也是如此。
At the time that he led the raid on Schoolcraft's apartment, Deputy Chief Michael Marino was already under a microscope.
当副局长迈克尔·马里诺带头突袭斯库克拉夫特的公寓时，他已经被置于显微镜下。
It was just a month after he had been put on trial inside the department after a sting named him as one of 27 cops who illegally bought human growth hormone, or steroids.
就在一个月前，他因一次诱捕而在警察局内接受审判，他被列为非法购买人类生长激素或类固醇的 27 名警察之一。
Marino claimed that he used the human growth hormone for a medical condition.
马里诺声称他使用人类生长激素是为了治疗疾病。
And back in 2006, an arbitrator found that Marino was in violation of New York labor laws for a very similar situation to the one that Schoolcraft was documenting.
早在 2006 年，一名仲裁员就认定 Marino 违反了纽约劳动法，其情况与 Schoolcraft 记录的情况非常相似。
The arbitrator ruled that Marino had set up an illegal quota for police officers of four parking tickets, three moving violations, three quality of life summons, and two stop-and-frisk per month and then penalized the officers when they didn't make the quota.
仲裁员裁定，马里诺为警察设定了每月四张停车罚单、三起移动违规、三起生活质量传票和两次拦截搜查的非法配额，然后对未达到配额的警察进行处罚。
Adrian Schoolcraft says that in the end, none of this worked out the way he thought it would during all those months of recording.
阿德里安·斯库克拉夫特 (Adrian Schoolcraft) 表示，最终，在这几个月的录音过程中，一切都没有像他想象的那样顺利。
I figured someone would approach the supervisor and say, listen you got caught.
我想有人会找到主管并说，听着，你被抓住了。
Knock it off.
把它关掉。
And everything's in house, still.
一切都还在家里。
Just knock it off.
把它关掉吧。
This is getting out of control.
这已经失控了。
I never saw myself as an adversary.
我从未将自己视为对手。
Because you assumed that the police commissioner-- the people at the very top of the police force-- that they would be on your side.
因为你认为警察局长——警察部队的最高层人员——他们会站在你一边。
Correct.
正确的。
Ira Glass But now do you believe that, in fact, they would be on your side?
Ira Glass 但现在你相信他们实际上会站在你这边吗？
I don't believe they were, or ever intended to be.
我不相信他们是，或者曾经打算是。
That's the question, of course.
当然，这就是问题。
And there's really no way to know how typical the 81st precinct is.
确实没有办法知道第 81 分局有多典型。
Reporter Graham Rayman has heard from retired cops who say the same things happened where they worked.
记者格雷厄姆·雷曼从退休警察那里听说，他们工作的地方也发生过同样的事情。
And he's found a policeman who was secretly recording in the Bronx at the same time as Schoolcraft finding the same things.
他还发现了一名正在布朗克斯区秘密录音的警察，而 Schoolcraft 也发现了同样的事情。
The guys who study the way CompStat is used by the police, John Eterno and Eli Silverman, say manipulating stats to get better numbers seems to happen in a lot of places where CompStat is used.
研究警察使用 CompStat 方式的约翰·埃特诺 (John Eterno) 和伊莱·西尔弗曼 (Eli Silverman) 表示，在许多使用 CompStat 的地方似乎都发生了操纵统计数据以获得更好数据的情况。
There's evidence of the same kind of distortion-- we've done research, where people have written in our blog-- from other countries, UK, Australia, as well.
有证据表明，来自其他国家（英国、澳大利亚）也存在同样的歪曲事实——我们进行了研究，人们在我们的博客中写道。
Commanders attesting to the same phenomenon.
指挥官证实了同样的现象。
This is not unique to New York.
这并非纽约独有。
Having failed to reach any results working inside the department, Schoolcraft finally went to the press.
由于在部门内部工作未能取得任何成果，斯库克拉夫特最终向媒体求助。
And Graham's five-part series in The Village Voice has been, Adrian says, like a meteor hitting the 81st precinct.
阿德里安说，格雷厄姆在《乡村之声》中的五集系列就像一颗流星击中了第 81 分局。
The police commissioner transferred Commander Stephen Mauriello, and some of the other senior-level supervisors, out of the precinct.
警察局长将指挥官斯蒂芬·毛里埃洛和其他一些高级主管调离该辖区。
Though he only did that after several weeks of pressure from politicians and clergy.
尽管他是在政客和神职人员几周的压力下才这样做的。
There's now one police investigation into Schoolcraft's allegations, there's another investigation of Deputy Chief Marino's order to put Schoolcraft into a psych ward, another into the charge that serious crimes were downgraded to lesser ones, and a fourth that is just about the misclassification of crimes in Detective Hernandez's sexual assault case.
现在警方正在对斯库克拉夫特的指控进行一项调查，另一项调查是针对马里诺副局长下令将斯库克拉夫特送入精神病房的调查，另一项调查是针对将严重犯罪降级为较轻犯罪的指控，第四项调查是关于埃尔南德斯侦探性侵犯案中的犯罪分类错误。
Schoolcraft's recordings will be used in two class action lawsuits, one about stop-and-frisks, one about quotas.
Schoolcraft 的录音将用于两起集体诉讼，一起关于拦截搜身的诉讼，另一起关于配额的诉讼。
Schoolcraft himself is suing the department for $50 million.
Schoolcraft 本人正在起诉该部门，索赔 5000 万美元。
Two officers have come forward to back up his charges.
两名警官站出来支持他的指控。
A website, schoolcraftjustice.com has been set up looking for more.
已经建立了一个网站 schoolcraftjustice.com 来寻找更多信息。
Schoolcraft himself is suspended without pay, living with his dad, 350 miles away, in upstate New York-- where, he says, a dozen times city police have shown up and pounded on his door, yelling, "NYPD, we know you're in there.
斯库克拉夫特本人也被无薪停职，与他的父亲住在一起，住在 350 英里外的纽约州北部。他说，那里有十几次城市警察出现并敲打他的门，大喊：“纽约警察局，我们知道你在那里。
Open up." [KNOCKING] Of course, he recorded it.
打开。” [敲门声]当然，他录了下来。
Adrian, we know you're in there.
阿德里安，我们知道你在那里。
Just open the door please, so we can get back to New York.
请开门，这样我们就可以回纽约了。
Schoolcraft assumes that he'll never again work as a police officer anywhere.
斯库克拉夫特认为他永远不会再在任何地方担任警察。
Is it weird not to be a policeman anymore?
不再当警察是不是很奇怪？
It feels odd.
感觉很奇怪。
But I still feel like I am a policeman.
但我仍然觉得自己是一名警察。
I'm going forward with this investigation.
我将继续进行这项调查。
I just feel like this is my case.
我只是觉得这就是我的情况。
This is the one.
就是这个。
And I'll go all the way with it.
我会一直坚持下去。
And finally, with the 81st precinct under new supervision, the numbers on serious crime have risen by 10-15%.
最后，随着第 81 分局接受新的监管，严重犯罪数量上升了 10-15%。
Are the crimes going up, or that's closer to the true amount of crime that was already there, only now being recorded?
犯罪数量是否在增加，或者是否更接近已经存在但现在才被记录的真实犯罪数量？
[MUSIC - "OFFICER" BY THE PHARCYDE] Well, our program today was produced by me and Sarah Koenig, with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Jane Feeltes, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Robin Semien, and Alissa Shipp and Nancy Updike.
[音乐 - PHARCYDE 的“OFFICER”] 嗯，我们今天的节目是由我和 Sarah Koenig 制作的，还有 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Jane Feeltes、Jonathan Menjivar、Lisa Pollak、Robin Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Seth Lind is our production manager.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的生产经理。
Emily Condon's our office manager.
艾米丽·康登是我们的办公室经理。
Music help from Jessica Hopper.
杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
Production help from Shawn Wen.
Shawn Wen 提供制作帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight of our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia, who's got no problem with the end of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
我们的老板托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia) 先生对 WBEZ 项目进行了管理监督，他对《不问不说》的结尾没有异议。
Seriously.
严重地。
No, I have a gay cousin.
不，我有一个同性恋表弟。
I am the least homophobic person in the world.
我是世界上最不恐同的人。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。