413: Georgia Rambler - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass Back in the 1970s, the Atlanta Journal Newspaper several times a week for years published this column called the Georgia Rambler.
序言 Ira Glass 早在 20 世纪 70 年代，《亚特兰大日报》多年来每周都会多次发表名为“Georgia Rambler”的专栏。
Charles Salter wrote the column.
查尔斯·索尔特撰写了该专栏。
Basically he would get up in the morning, say goodbye to his wife, Sally, get in his car, and head out on the road to some small town, sometimes without much of a plan at all, not even sure where he's going to end up.
基本上他会早上起床，告别妻子莎莉，上车，上路前往某个小镇，有时根本没有太多计划，甚至不确定自己要去哪里。
I would look at a Georgia highway map.
我会看佐治亚州高速公路地图。
And Sally would say, honey, where are you going this morning?
莎莉会说，亲爱的，你今天早上要去哪里？
And I said, I think I'll go east.
我说，我想我会去东方。
And I'd would go over to a town 50, 80, 100 miles from Atlanta, and I would see the county agent, or the cafe where the guys and gals would gather to drink coffee and talk.
我会去距离亚特兰大 50、80、100 英里的小镇，去见县代理，或者去咖啡馆，那里的男人和女人会聚集在一起喝咖啡聊天。
And I'd say you all have probably read Rita's Digest.
我想说你们可能都读过《丽塔文摘》。
For a long term they had an article called The Most Unforgettable Person I Ever Met.
长期以来，他们有一篇文章叫《我见过的最难忘的人》。
Well who in your town, who's the most unforgettable person you ever met?
那么，在你的家乡，谁是你见过的最难忘的人？
Who would you talk about if he were at a convention 1,000 miles away.
如果他在 1,000 英里外的会议上，您会谈论谁。
I wish you fellas could known so and so back home.
我希望你们回家后能知道某某事。
I was seeking good stories from ordinary folks.
我一直在寻找普通人的好故事。
There was the 55-year-old man who never wore shoes, and the pharmacist who discovered in an old ledger there seemed to be a recipe for Coca-Cola.
其中有一位 55 岁的男子从不穿鞋，还有一位药剂师在一本旧账簿中发现了似乎是可口可乐的配方。
And the country father of five who told the Georgia Rambler that when he goes to the sales barn to buy a small calf, "I call it buying me a lawn mower.
这位五个孩子的乡村父亲告诉佐治亚漫步者报，当他去销售谷仓买一头小牛时，“我称之为给我买一台割草机。
When the grass dies down thanks to the calf, I kill my lawnmower and eat it".
当小牛的草枯死后，我就杀死我的割草机并吃掉它。”
There's Pete Ware, Justice of the Peace in Troup County, who said that he did 40% of his weddings after midnight, including shotgun weddings.
特鲁普县治安法官皮特·威尔 (Pete Ware) 表示，他 40% 的婚礼都是在午夜之后举行的，其中包括猎枪式婚礼。
Though he complained to the Georgia Rambler that people these days are too lazy to bring shotguns to their shotgun weddings.
尽管他向佐治亚漫步者抱怨说，现在人们懒得带猎枪去参加他们的猎枪婚礼。
And also was lucky enough to hear about haunted houses.
而且还很幸运地听说了鬼屋。
Yeah, I've been reading your columns and it seems like a there's a lot of haunted houses in Georgia.
是的，我一直在读你的专栏，佐治亚州似乎有很多鬼屋。
Yes, and I had a lot a funny interviewing a woman who was in the Marine Corps with Lee Harvey Oswald.
是的，我在采访一位与李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德一起在海军陆战队服役的女性时，经历了很多有趣的事情。
And down in [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
并在[无法辨认]下面。
I sort of forgot he was trained as a Marine.
我有点忘记他受过海军陆战队训练。
Yes.
是的。
And his nickname was the creep.
他的绰号是“蠕变者”。
And they were on the rifle range one day, and the devil winds were blowing out of the desert.
有一天，他们在步枪射击场，沙漠中刮起了狂风。
I forget the word for it, the Spanish word, and he was still shooting while the others were smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee.
我忘记了这个词的西班牙语，他还在射击，而其他人则在抽烟、喝咖啡。
Because they couldn't shoot accurately with the wind blowing from the side.
因为侧风吹来，他们无法准确射击。
And he kept hitting the bull's eye.
他不断击中靶心。
OK, full disclosure, Charles' son Chuck is married one of the producers of our radio show, Lisa Pollak, which is how we heard about the Georgia Rambler.
好吧，全面披露，查尔斯的儿子查克嫁给了我们广播节目的制作人之一丽莎·波拉克，这就是我们听说佐治亚漫步者的方式。
And when all of us here at our radio show-- you're listening to This American Life by the way from WBEZ Chicago disturbed by Public Radio international-- when all of us heard about the Georgia Rambler, and this idea that you would get out of the city and just drive into some small town at random, walk around, and talk to people until you find a story, and get all these people from these towns with just a couple hundred a couple thousand people all over Georgia talking about life where they live, it just seemed like a really fun thing to try.
当我们所有人在我们的广播节目中——你正在听来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的《美国生活》，受到国际公共广播电台的干扰——当我们所有人都听说了佐治亚漫步者，以及这个想法，你可以离开城市，随意开车到某个小镇，四处走动，与人们交谈，直到你找到一个故事，让来自这些城镇的所有这些人与佐治亚州各地的几百、几千人谈论他们居住的生活，这看起来真的很有趣尝试的事情。
So these last few weeks, nine of us flew down in Georgia.
所以在过去的几周里，我们九个人飞到了佐治亚州。
It was producers of our radio show plus comedian and author Eugene Mirman, and we brought the son of the Georgia Rambler, Chuck.
这是我们广播节目的制作人，加上喜剧演员兼作家尤金·米尔曼，我们还带来了佐治亚漫步者的儿子查克。
There are a 159 counties in Georgia.
佐治亚州有 159 个县。
We picked nine counties from a hat.
我们从一顶帽子中选出了九个县。
We used an Atlanta Braves baseball cap for that.
我们为此使用了亚特兰大勇士队棒球帽。
Each of us went to a different county, spend just a day of two, and we ended up with so many stories that we can't come close to fitting them all into one show.
我们每个人都去了不同的县，只花了两天的时间，最终我们得到了太多的故事，以至于我们无法将它们全部融入到一场演出中。
Though we can fit seven, which we bring you today.
虽然我们可以容纳七个，但我们今天为您带来了。
And we'll just kick things off here.
我们就从这里开始吧。
We'll start things off with Dave Kestenbaum, who's usually a correspondent for NPR's Planet Money, who we took off the economics beat and sent to Georgia to look for some story or person that is unforgettable.
我们将从戴夫·凯斯滕鲍姆（Dave Kestenbaum）开始，他通常是 NPR 的《星球金钱》（Planet Money）的通讯员，我们脱离了经济话题，派他到佐治亚州寻找一些令人难忘的故事或人物。
And Dave, you went to Meriwether County, right near the western border of the state.
戴夫，你去了梅里韦瑟县，就在该州西部边境附近。
Yes, and the people of Meriwether County were extremely friendly.
是的，梅里韦瑟县的人民非常友好。
They were happy to give directions or recommend a place for lunch.
他们很乐意为您指路或推荐午餐地点。
But they were completely at a loss when I asked the one question that mattered.
但当我问出一个重要的问题时，他们完全不知所措。
Who is the most unforgettable person in town?
城里最难忘的人是谁？
"Unforgettable", people would say, "In this town"?
人们会说“难忘”，“在这个小镇”？
Someone showed me a phone book.
有人给我看了一本电话簿。
It was thinner than your finger.
它比你的手指还细。
The Rs, Ss, and Ts were all on the same page.
Rs、Ss 和 Ts 都在同一页上。
There was one person who came up over and over again, lots of people mentioned his name.
有一个人一遍又一遍地出现，很多人都提到了他的名字。
The gentleman in question is dead.
那位先生已经死了。
Though I suppose if people talk about you after you die, that's pretty much the definition of unforgettable.
不过我想如果人们在你死后谈论你，这几乎就是难忘的定义。
People said he helped the poor, he was a good, good man, and everyone knew him by his initials,
人们说他帮助穷人，他是一个好人，每个人都知道他名字的首字母，
My friends and neighbors-- Dave Kestenbaum FDR.
我的朋友和邻居——戴夫·凯斯滕鲍姆·罗斯福。
--11 years ago, I came to live at Warm Springs for the first time.
--11年前，我第一次来到Warm Springs居住。
Franklin Delano Roosevelt came to Warm Springs, Georgia 41 times.
富兰克林·德拉诺·罗斯福曾 41 次来到佐治亚州沃姆斯普林斯。
Yes, people count.
是的，人很重要。
He set up a polio treatment center here.
他在这里建立了一个小儿麻痹症治疗中心。
The locals say proudly, this was a place he could relax.
当地人自豪地说，这是他可以放松的地方。
He would get a fiddle player to come and play at night.
晚上他会找一个小提琴手来演奏。
But Sylvia Bishop Wright, she lives in an area called the Cove, she told me FDR liked to do something else, something you don't read in the history books.
但是西尔维娅·毕肖普·赖特（Sylvia Bishop Wright）住在一个叫“海湾”的地区，她告诉我罗斯福喜欢做其他事情，一些你在历史书上读不到的事情。
When Roosevelt was coming down here, he especially liked the moonshine in the Cove.
罗斯福来这里时，特别喜欢海湾里的月光。
Roosevelt liked Moonshine?
罗斯福喜欢月光吗？
Sylvia Bishop Wright They called it stump juice because they'd hide it in the old stumps.
西尔维娅·毕肖普·赖特 他们称其为树桩汁，因为他们将其隐藏在旧树桩中。
In a tree stump?
在树桩里？
Sylvia Bishop Wright In a tree stump.
西尔维娅·毕肖普·赖特 (Sylvia Bishop Wright) 在树桩上。
They'd just hide it down there.
他们只是把它藏在那里。
Am I telling things I shouldn't be telling?
我是否说了不该说的话？
I was pretty sure this didn't count.
我很确定这不算数。
You can't go to some small town in search of someone unforgettable and come back with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the former President of the United States, someone everyone already knows.
你不可能去某个小镇寻找一个难忘的人，然后带着美国前总统富兰克林·德拉诺·罗斯福回来，他是每个人都认识的人。
But then I thought wait, Roosevelt would have been drinking during prohibition when it was illegal to sell alcohol, illegal the manufacturer it, to transport it, we wrote it into our constitution which FDR swore in his oath of office to preserve, protect, and defend.
但后来我想，等等，罗斯福在禁酒令期间会喝酒，当时销售酒精、制造酒精、运输酒精都是非法的，我们把它写进了我们的宪法，罗斯福在就职誓言中宣誓要保存、保护和捍卫它。
I got more interested when Sylvia left me a voicemail later that day.
那天晚些时候，西尔维娅给我留下了语音邮件，我对此更加感兴趣。
They David, hey.
他们大卫，嘿。
This is Sylvia at the newspaper.
我是报社的西尔维娅。
And you know how you get to thinking about things.
而且你知道如何开始思考事情。
You know when we were talking about the booze, you know the stump juice and all, and about how Roosevelt liked it.
你知道，当我们谈论酒时，你知道树桩汁等等，以及罗斯福如何喜欢它。
But I'm telling you, I don't want anything said about Roosevelt that would be wrong.
但我告诉你，我不希望任何关于罗斯福的言论都是错误的。
These folks down here will fight you about Franklin D.
这里的这些人会因为富兰克林·D.
Roosevelt.
罗斯福。
Then silence like she'd covered up the mouth piece.
然后沉默了，就像她捂住了嘴一样。
There was a second voicemail from her.
她又收到了第二封语音邮件。
David, this is Sylvia again.
大卫，这又是西尔维娅。
I was interrupted right in the middle of my message.
我的信息刚讲到一半就被打断了。
But like I said, these people down here love Franklin D.
但就像我说的，这里的这些人喜欢富兰克林·D.
Roosevelt.
罗斯福。
You know his little white house is about three miles down the road.
你知道他的小白宫就在路边大约三英里处。
And I guess that's why people knew him on such a personal basis because he was such a good man and so friendly.
我想这就是为什么人们如此了解他，因为他是一个非常好的人，非常友好。
And they loved him as president, absolutely.
他们绝对喜欢他作为总统。
He came down here before he was president also and made friends with everybody.
他在担任总统之前就来到这里并与每个人都成为了朋友。
But I just wanted to make sure nothing bad was said about FDR.
但我只是想确保没有人说罗斯福的坏话。
I went to that place that Sylvia mentioned, the little white house where FDR used to stay.
我去了西尔维娅提到的那个地方，罗斯福曾经住过的白宫小房子。
He actually died here.
他确实死在这里了。
The place is a museum now.
这个地方现在是一个博物馆。
And I asked about FDR and moonshine.
我问了罗斯福和私酒的事。
Two guys told me, "Yeah, that's the local legend".
两个人告诉我，“是的，那是当地的传说”。
But they didn't know if it was true.
但他们不知道这是否属实。
Clearly this is not a question historians have devoted much effort to answering.
显然，历史学家并没有花太多精力来回答这个问题。
It's the 1930s version of did you inhale.
这是 1930 年代版本的《你吸入了吗》。
Did you, sir, drink moonshine.
先生，您喝过月光吗？
Well, did you?
嗯，是吗？
So now I found myself driving on the back roads into the Georgia woods to see if some president drank moonshine.
所以现在我发现自己开车在小路上进入佐治亚州的树林，看看是否有某个总统喝了私酒。
I stopped at a small house this looked like it had definitely been there since FDR died.
我在一座小房子前停了下来，看起来自从罗斯福去世后它就一直在那里。
A tiny Porsche with three people just sitting on it.
一辆小型保时捷，上面坐着三个人。
I waved as I walked up.
我一边走一边挥手。
They waved back.
他们也挥手回应。
There was an old man, an older woman, and a younger guy, Roland Brown
有一个老人，一个年长的女人，还有一个年轻的小伙子，罗兰·布朗
This is the cove.
这就是海湾。
This area is where they call the cove.
这个地区就是他们所说的海湾。
I took a breath and asked did FDR come here to get moonshine?
我吸了一口气，问罗斯福来这里是为了喝私酒吗？
Well I wasn't here.
还好我不在这里。
I couldn't tell you about that.
我无法告诉你这件事。
Well, I ain't going to tell you that.
好吧，我不会告诉你这个。
I don't know.
我不知道。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE].
[难以理解的短语]。
You could go over the mountain and talked to Mr. Bunn-Wright's daughter and she might tell you.
你可以翻过山去和邦恩赖特先生的女儿谈谈，她可能会告诉你。
Mr. Bunn-Wright played the fiddle for him.
邦恩-赖特先生为他演奏小提琴。
He lived out here.
他住在这儿。
One of Mr. Bunn-Wright's daughters is the only one left living I think.
我认为邦恩赖特先生的女儿之一是唯一还活着的人。
Aunt Nee is what we call her, Aunt Nee Newman.
妮阿姨就是我们所说的妮阿姨纽曼。
I don't even really know what her first name is.
我什至都不知道她的名字是什么。
I drove over the mountains and found Aunt Nee's house.
我开车翻过山，找到了倪阿姨家。
The doors were locked, no cars.
门都锁着，没有车。
I stood there for a minute knocking, trying all of the doors, but the house with silent.
我在那里站了一会儿，敲了敲门，尝试了所有的门，但房子里一片寂静。
I gave up and drove away.
我放弃了，开车走了。
On the right side of the road, I saw a woman working in a field.
在路的右边，我看到一个女人在田里干活。
What the hell, I thought, I rolled down the window.
见鬼，我想，我摇下了车窗。
"Do know someone named Aunt Nee"?
“你认识一个叫倪阿姨的人吗”？
"Aunt Nee?
“妮姨？
Yes", she said.
是的”，她说。
She's my Aunt Nee".
她是我的倪阿姨”。
The woman pointed back to the house on the hill where I just knocked on the door.
那女人指着我刚刚敲门的那座山上的房子。
"Aunt Nee", she explained "is hard of hearing".
“妮阿姨”，她解释说“她听力不好”。
I might not get her to the door.
我可能无法送她到门口。
That white house right up on top of the hill.
那个白色的房子就在山顶上。
And she's 90 going on 91.
她已经90岁了，即将91岁了。
I might have to go up and get her to the door.
我可能得上去送她到门口。
Do you think you could come with me?
你觉得你可以跟我一起去吗？
That would be wonderful.
那太好了。
I'll walk you there.
我会带你去那里。
Dave Kestenbaum Thank you.
戴夫·凯斯滕鲍姆 谢谢。
The woman whose name is Linda Carpenter, took me back to the house that seemed empty.
那个名叫琳达·卡彭特的女士带我回到了那间看似空荡荡的房子。
Inside in near darkness in an armchair was Aunt Nee doing some sort of puzzle from a magazine.
里面近乎黑暗的地方，妮阿姨坐在扶手椅上，正在做杂志上的某种拼图。
Aunt Nee's full name is Cornelia Wright Newman.
妮阿姨的全名是科妮莉亚·赖特·纽曼。
Aunt Nee told me yes, she met President Roosevelt when she was a girl.
妮阿姨告诉我是的，她小时候就认识了罗斯福总统。
FDR loved her father's fiddle player.
罗斯福很喜欢她父亲的小提琴手。
Because her hearing isn't so good, the way the interview would work is I would ask a question in what I thought was a loud voice, and Linda would shout it out even louder.
因为她的听力不太好，采访的方式是我用我认为很大的声音问一个问题，琳达会喊得更大声。
So Sylvia told me that FDR used to come here to the Cove to buy moonshine.
西尔维娅告诉我，罗斯福经常来海湾购买私酒。
Did FDR come to the Cove to buy moonshine?
罗斯福来海湾是为了买私酒吗？
To buy moonshine?
买月光？
Yeah he'd come down to Uncle Charlie's old store, Gilbert's store down there.
是的，他会去查理叔叔的老店，吉尔伯特的店就在那里。
And that's where he met Daddy.
在那里他遇见了爸爸。
Did he buy moonshine?
他买了月光吗？
Did FDR buy moonshine there?
罗斯福在那里买了私酒吗？
Did he buy moonshine in Uncle Charlie's old store?
他在查理叔叔的老店里买过私酒吗？
FDR?
罗斯福？
Yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊。
He was over there one time when he'd come by, he was over there to get his groceries from Uncle Charlie's.
有一次他过来的时候，他就在那儿，去查理叔叔店买杂货。
And he stopped and he found out where Daddy lived and he'd only played the fiddle.
他停下来，发现爸爸住在哪里，而他只是拉小提琴。
And he'd come on over there.
他会到那边去。
But he bought moonshine also, moonshine?
但他也买了月光，月光？
FDR bought moonshine there?
罗斯福在那里买了私酒？
I don't know if he did or not.
我不知道他有没有。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I don't know either.
我也不知道。
Because I was a little, bitty girl.
因为我是一个小女孩。
I don't know if FDR bought moonshine or not.
我不知道罗斯福是否买了私酒。
I don't know either.
我也不知道。
Dave Kestenbaum By this point I gave up on the idea of getting an answer.
戴夫·凯斯滕鲍姆（Dave Kestenbaum）至此我放弃了寻求答案的想法。
It was only listening back to the recording later that I realized Aunt Nee was only saying she never saw him buy moonshine at that particular store.
后来听录音才知道，倪阿姨只是说她没见过他在那家店买过私酒。
And later she said this.
后来她也说了这句话。
Now he'd come down and got moonshine, I know.
现在他会下来喝私酒，我知道。
Franklin Roosevelt?
富兰克林·罗斯福？
Cornelia Wright Newman Roosevelt did.
科妮莉亚·赖特·纽曼·罗斯福做到了。
But where he got it, I don't know.
但他从哪里得到的，我不知道。
But he didn't get it at [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
但他在[无法理解]处没有得到它。
Daddy didn't fool with it.
爸爸没有开玩笑。
Mama wouldn't allow that.
妈妈不允许这样。
I don't know what Aunt Nee saw or heard that makes her believe FDR drank moonshine.
我不知道妮阿姨看到或听到了什么，让她相信罗斯福喝了私酒。
As proof, it's not so satisfying.
作为证据，它并不那么令人满意。
I did talk with one other person, a local actor who has played the role of FDR and is a bit of an FDR buff.
我确实和另外一个人谈过，他是一位扮演过罗斯福角色的当地演员，而且有点罗斯福迷。
He told me he had heard from people who knew firsthand that yes, FDR drank moonshine.
他告诉我，他从有第一手资料的人那里听说，罗斯福确实喝过私酒。
He said a man named Bum Phillips had told him a story about bringing FDR quarts of moonshine then having to hide them when the Baptist preacher stopped by unannounced.
他说，一个名叫布姆·菲利普斯 (Bum Phillips) 的人给他讲了一个故事，讲的是罗斯福带来了几夸脱的私酒，然后当浸信会传教士未经事先通知的情况下过来时，他不得不把它们藏起来。
But if you're looking for proof, well there don't seem to be any photographs.
但如果你要寻找证据，那么似乎没有任何照片。
If you want to firsthand account, Aunt Nee is one of the last people living who might have seen Roosevelt take a swing.
如果你想了解第一手资料，妮阿姨可能是最后亲眼目睹罗斯福挥拳的人之一。
The truth is that FDR had a complicated life.
事实上，罗斯福的生活很复杂。
Warm Springs was one of the few places where everyone knew he had polio.
沃姆斯普林斯是少数几个人人都知道他患有小儿麻痹症的地方之一。
When he died here, it was not with his wife, but with another woman, Lucy Mercer Rutherford.
当他在这里去世时，不是和他的妻子一起去世的，而是和另一个女人一起去世的，露西·默瑟·卢瑟福。
When we say someone is unforgettable, it doesn't mean we remember everything.
当我们说某人令人难忘时，并不意味着我们记得一切。
It can be nice to forget.
忘记可能会很好。
If you like the picture FDR drinking moonshine with the locals, go ahead.
如果您喜欢罗斯福与当地人一起喝私酒的照片，那就继续吧。
If you don't, it never happened.
如果你不这样做，那么它就从未发生过。
nah
不
This is Eugene Mirman.
这是尤金·米尔曼。
I was sent to Hall County.
我被送到霍尔县。
It's a Sunday night in Gainesville, Georgia.
这是佐治亚州盖恩斯维尔的一个周日晚上。
On the advise of the woman at the front desk of the Holiday Inn, we head to Wild Wings to find people to tell us about interesting people to find.
根据假日酒店前台女士的建议，我们前往Wild Wings寻找人们告诉我们可以找到的有趣的人。
We're told it's one of the most fun places in town.
我们听说这是镇上最有趣的地方之一。
Also it's the only place open.
这也是唯一开放的地方。
We are the most interesting people in Gainesville.
我们是盖恩斯维尔最有趣的人。
Have you ever seen the show friends?
朋友们有看过这部剧吗？
No, you know that show Friends and you know Phoebe off Friends?
不，你知道《老友记》里的节目，而且你也认识《老友记》中的菲比吗？
And she just like world peace, love everybody.
而她就是喜欢世界和平，爱大家。
That's the way I am.
我就是这样。
This is Matt Norris.
这是马特·诺里斯。
He's 27, but doesn't look a day over 23.
他已经27岁了，但看起来还不到23岁。
He's there with two friends.
他和两个朋友在那里。
All three work at Wild Wings.
三人都在 Wild Wings 工作。
They're hanging out drinking as it's closing up for the night.
他们在夜里打烊时出去喝酒。
Matt's just discovered Friends on DVD with the kind of enthusiasm potential rock stars discover The Velvet Underground.
马特刚刚发现了 DVD 版《老友记》，就像摇滚明星发现地下丝绒乐队一样热情。
My producer thinks he might be gay.
我的制片人认为他可能是同性恋。
But I think he just likes R.E.M.
但我认为他只是喜欢 R.E.M.
and wants to be an artist.
并想成为一名艺术家。
I'm going to refer to him as Artist Matt, because--
我将称他为艺术家马特，因为——
Wait a second, are all three of you named Matt?
等一下，你们三个都叫马特吗？
We're three Matts.
我们是三个马特。
Big Matt If y'all followed us around at work for like a day, I swear to god you'd laugh your ass off for like three days.
大马特 如果你们在工作中跟随我们一天，我向上帝发誓，你们会笑得三天。
Like you have abs.
就像你有腹肌一样。
The other two Matts are Big Matt and Quiet Matt.
另外两个马特是大马特和安静马特。
Big Matt is fun and gregarious.
大马特很有趣，也很合群。
Quiet Matt doesn't say much.
马特沉默寡言，没有多说什么。
Quiet Matt and Big Matt say we just missed the perfect day to hang out with them.
安静的马特和大马特说我们刚刚错过了和他们一起出去玩的完美日子。
It was the 4th of July.
那是 7 月 4 日。
I was the 4th of frickin' July.
我是他妈的7月4号。
We were trashed.
我们被毁了。
We closed the restaurant down.
我们关闭了餐厅。
closed Wild Wings down and we rented a house boat out on Lake Lanier.
关闭了 Wild Wings，我们在拉尼尔湖租了一艘船屋。
When you go to the lake, you go to Cocktail Cove.
当你去湖边时，你就去了鸡尾酒湾。
Cocktail Cove is where all the boats like daisy chain each other together and just have a massive party.
鸡尾酒湾 (Cocktail Cove) 是所有船只像菊花一样相互连接在一起的地方，举办一场盛大的派对。
And you just walk across with your coolers of beer, and your food and [BLEEP].
然后你就拿着冷藏箱里的啤酒和食物走过来，然后[哔]。
And everybody just drinks, and flashes, and has fun.
每个人都只是喝酒、炫耀、玩得很开心。
I swam to the boat full of hot chicks like 20 yard, maybe 30 yards away.
我游到了大约 20 码，也许 30 码外的那艘满是辣妹的船上。
And everybody was hollering at him and saying this, that, and the other.
每个人都对他大喊大叫，说这说那。
But they wouldn't acknowledge anything.
但他们什么也不承认。
So what did I do?
那么我做了什么？
What did Matt Fry do?
马特·弗莱做了什么？
Matt Fry jumped off the top of the house and swam over there and got him, and brought them all back.
马特·弗莱从房顶跳下来，游过去接住了他，并将他们全部带了回来。
Big Matt Fry is all about solutions, taking action.
大马特·弗莱注重解决方案和采取行动。
Quiet Matt was more like a smoking crocodile, floating from place to place to observing.
安静的马特更像是一条冒烟的鳄鱼，从一个地方漂浮到另一个地方观察。
Be honest, I'm in the water.
老实说，我在水里。
And I'm just treading and I'm swimming away smoking a cigarette in the water, trying to keep it from getting wet.
我只是一边走，一边游走，在水里抽着烟，试图防止它被弄湿。
And I turn around.
我转身。
And there's this chick on a floaty.
还有这只小妞在漂浮物上。
And I look, and like right in my face she's got them jokers just strung out there.
我一看，就在我面前，她把那些小丑串起来了。
So I'm just sitting there and I'm puffing my cigarette, and I wasn't moving.
所以我就坐在那里，抽着烟，一动不动。
I was like, I'm going to stay right here.
我当时想，我要留在这里。
The Matt I keep thinking about the most is Artist Matt, because Artist Matt, partially inspired by Friends, wants to move to New York City and follow his dream of becoming a video editor, a totally attainable dream.
我最常想到的马特是艺术家马特，因为艺术家马特部分受到《老友记》的启发，想要搬到纽约并追随他成为视频编辑的梦想，这是一个完全可以实现的梦想。
But he can't for two reasons.
但他不能这样做，原因有两个。
One he's afraid he'll become homeless, and doesn't know he could just move back the day he becomes homeless.
他担心自己会无家可归，并且不知道自己可以在无家可归的那天搬回去。
And two, he's on probation.
第二，他正处于缓刑期。
Actually they all are.
事实上他们都是。
Big Matt for several DUIs, Quiet Matt for something to do with weed, and Artist Matt for speeding.
大马特（Big Matt）代表多次酒驾，安静马特（Quiet Matt）代表与大麻有关的事情，而艺术家马特（Artist Matt）则代表超速行驶。
I'm on probation because I got a freaking speeding ticket.
我正在缓刑，因为我收到了一张超速罚单。
It's just a speeding ticket, who gives a crap?
只是一张超速罚单，谁在乎呢？
Wait, why would you be on probation for a speeding ticket?
等等，为什么你会因为超速罚单而被缓刑？
Is it you're ninth one?
你是第九个吗？
No. It was my first one.
不，这是我的第一个。
But I was kind of going 40 over.
但我已经快40岁了。
Oh, was it a school zone?
哦，那是学区吗？
Artist Matt No, but it was a deaf child area.
艺术家马特 不，但那是一个聋哑儿童区。
But the kid was at school.
但孩子当时正在上学。
What the hell did it matter?
这到底有什么关系？
It was like 2 o'clock.
那时大约是2点钟。
He should have been at school anyway.
无论如何，他应该在学校。
Assuming that the speed limit was somewhere around 25 miles an hour, it means he was doing 65 or 70 in a residential neighborhood.
假设限速约为每小时 25 英里，这意味着他在住宅区的行驶速度为 65 或 70 英里。
Tell me the funny thing.
告诉我有趣的事情。
Artist Matt I had just bought a brand new car.
艺术家马特 我刚刚买了一辆全新的汽车。
And I had seriously just left the dealership.
我真的刚刚离开经销店。
And I lived in Commerce, and I know you don't know where that's at, but it's like 45 minutes away from here.
我住在科默斯，我知道你不知道那在哪里，但距这里大约 45 分钟路程。
And I was going down back roads.
我正沿着小路走。
And I had just pulled out of the dealership in this new car.
我刚刚把这辆新车从经销店开出来。
And it was awesome.
太棒了。
I'm looking good.
我看起来不错。
I'm jammin'.
我正在即兴演奏。
I got a new car.
我有一辆新车。
I'm going to get some chicks tonight.
今晚我要去找一些小鸡。
So when the cop pulls me over, I'm not scared or anything.
所以当警察把我叫到路边时，我一点也不害怕。
He pulls me over.
他把我拉过来。
He gets my license, and registration, and insurance stuff, and I'm still jammin'.
他帮我拿到了执照、登记和保险，而我仍然在即兴表演。
I got a new car.
我有一辆新车。
Who gives a crap I'm getting pulled over right now.
谁在乎我现在就被拦下来了。
I get out of my car and I'm like looking in the trunk just to see what's going on back there, because I've never looked back there.
我下了车，就像在后备箱里看，只是为了看看后面发生了什么，因为我从来没有回头看过那里。
I just bought this car.
我刚买了这辆车。
This is the first car I had ever bought by myself.
这是我自己买的第一辆车。
I'm checking out the bass sounds.
我正在检查低音。
And the officer puts me in handcuffs because he thinks I'm about to like shoot him, or run, or something.
警察给我戴上手铐，因为他认为我会想开枪射杀他，或者逃跑，或者其他什么。
.
。
I'm like, what are you talking about?
我说，你在说什么？
I just bought a car.
我刚买了一辆车。
I'm just freaking excited.
我简直兴奋极了。
When you explain that to the policeman, was he like, oh yeah, you're just the classic guy who bought a car and is checking it out?
当你向警察解释这一点时，他是否会说，哦，是的，你就是那个买了一辆车并正在检查的典型人？
Hell no, hell no, not at all.
不，不，一点也不。
Good lord, no. He was pissed.
天哪，不。他很生气。
It was bad.
很糟糕。
What kind of a person, in the middle of being pulled over by a cop, decides to just check out the trunk of their new car?
是什么样的人，在被警察拦下时，决定只是检查一下他们新车的后备箱？
That's a terrible idea.
这是一个糟糕的主意。
But Artist Matt is an artist.
但艺术家马特是一位艺术家。
He's Phoebe from Friends.
他是《老友记》中的菲比。
He doesn't realize that success is right at hand.
他没有意识到成功就在眼前。
He could move an hour and a half south to Atlanta where there are TV stations, and CNN, and TBS, and video editing classes, and accomplish his dream.
他可以向南移动一个半小时到达亚特兰大，那里有电视台、CNN、TBS，还有视频编辑课程，并实现他的梦想。
As long as he first discovers the show cops, he should be fine.
只要他先发现表演警察，他就应该没问题。
Eugene Mirman.
尤金·米尔曼.
[MUSIC - "CRUISIN' IN THE ATL" BY OUTKAST]
[音乐 - Outkast 的《CRUISIN' IN THE ATL》]
Not far from Hall County is Pickens County.
距离霍尔县不远的是皮肯斯县。
On April 9, 2006, a soldier from Pickens County serving in Iraq was killed by an IED.
2006年4月9日，一名在伊拉克服役的皮肯斯县士兵被简易爆炸装置炸死。
Specialist David Collins was 24.
专家大卫·柯林斯 (David Collins) 24 岁。
His body was flown to Atlanta in a convoy of patrol cars drove from Pickens County down to the Atlanta Airport about an hour and half way to meet the body and escort it back home to be buried.
他的尸体由巡逻车车队空运到亚特兰大，从皮肯斯县驱车约一个半小时到达亚特兰大机场，与尸体会合并护送回家埋葬。
At the time, Allen Wiggington was the Chief Deputy at the Pickens County Sheriff's Department.
当时，艾伦·威金顿是皮肯斯县治安部门的首席副手。
He was one of the escorts that day.
他是当天的护送人员之一。
And he was surprised when they got to the airport and they were told not to drive to some cargo area to retrieve the coffin, but to a commercial jet.
当他们到达机场时，他感到很惊讶，他们被告知不要开车到某个货运区取回棺材，而是开车到一架商用飞机上。
It was parked right at the passenger gate.
它停在乘客门口。
When we pulled up to the plane, obviously I look up and there's people at the window in all the gates because they're five patrol cars with their blue lights on and a hearse.
当我们停在飞机前时，显然我抬头一看，所有登机口的窗口都有人，因为他们是五辆亮着蓝灯的巡逻车和一辆灵车。
And the plane is sitting there The baggage compartment hasn't opened yet.
而飞机就坐在那里，行李舱还没有打开。
All of use are just kind of standing there.
所有的使用都只是站在那里。
And the cargo door to the plane opens.
飞机的货舱门打开了。
It literally was chilling.
确实令人不寒而栗。
Because the casket starts down the roller coming out of the airplane and coming down the conveyor belt, not lonely is everything on the ground around us stopped, literally the buses carrying the staff, everything has stopped.
因为棺材从飞机上滚下来并沿着传送带下降，所以我们周围地面上的所有东西都停止了，实际上是载着工作人员的公共汽车，一切都停止了。
You look up in the windows and everybody has stopped.
你抬头看向窗户，每个人都停下来了。
And there's kids watching.
还有孩子们在看。
And the military escorts came over to where the casket was.
军队护送人员来到了棺材所在的地方。
And I'm still standing there watching.
而我还站在那里看着。
And it wasn't until they closed the door on the hearse that people start resuming kind of.
直到他们关上灵车门，人们才开始恢复。
You hear some activity.
您听到一些活动。
You hear some things.
你听到一些事情。
You look around and you realize that literally for just a minute, the world stood still at that airport while they took that boy's body off that airplane.
你环顾四周，你意识到，当他们把那个男孩的尸体从飞机上运走时，整个世界都在机场静止了短短一分钟。
I was on a plane about six months after that.
大约六个月后我就上了飞机。
And I was flying in from Washington.
我是从华盛顿飞来的。
I had been to Washington, D.C. for some event.
我去过华盛顿特区参加一些活动。
And on the plane there was a soldier sitting there.
飞机上坐着一名士兵。
And he sat there, red-headed pale kid, probably 18, 19 years old.
他坐在那里，红发苍白的孩子，大概18、19岁。
He was coming home.
他要回家了。
And the flight attendant came in on their airline and said, ladies and gentlemen, I just wanted to offer you, we're fixing to pull up the gate.
他们航空公司的空乘人员进来说，女士们先生们，我只是想向你们提供，我们正准备拉上登机口。
I know we're running a little bit late.
我知道我们有点晚了。
We're trying to get you out of here.
我们正在努力让你离开这里。
Some of you have connecting flights.
你们中的一些人有转机航班。
But in the back of the plane there's a young man, Specialist so and so.
但飞机后座有一个年轻人，是某某专家。
And he is coming home for the first time.
这是他第一次回家。
He's been in Iraq for eight and a half months.
他已经在伊拉克呆了八个半月了。
And he has a new baby daughter that'll be meeting him at the gate that he has never seen before.
他还有一个刚出生的女儿，她将在他以前从未见过的门口迎接他。
And I think I would probably beat somebody to death if they had got out of their seat and didn't let him get off that plane first.
我想如果某人离开座位并且不让他先下飞机，我可能会把他打死。
Allen Wiggington, he's now a Magistrate Judge in Pickens County.
艾伦·威金顿，现在是皮肯斯县的地方法官。
According to the Department of Defense, as of this week, 140 Georgians have died in Iraq, 38 in Afghanistan.
据国防部称，截至本周，已有140名格鲁吉亚人在伊拉克死亡，38人在阿富汗死亡。
Coming up, there's old timers taking up space at the Hardy's in Whitfield County, lingering over their coffee.
接下来，老人们会在惠特菲尔德县的 Hardy's 餐厅里占据一席之地，悠闲地喝着咖啡。
What do they have to say for themselves?
他们有什么话要为自己说的？
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our show, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show, the Georgia Rambler in which we imitate an old newspaper column from the Atlanta Journal in the 1970s.
今天的节目是《Georgia Rambler》，我们模仿 20 世纪 70 年代《亚特兰大日报》的旧报纸专栏。
Nine of us went to Georgia, each to a different county.
我们九个人去了佐治亚州，每个人都去了不同的县。
We drove into small towns that we'd never been to before, walked up to people like the Georgia Rambler reporter used to do, and asked who was the most interesting, unforgettable, person in town, which led us to more stories than we could possibly fit into one hour.
我们开车进入以前从未去过的小镇，像佐治亚漫步者记者过去那样走到人们面前，询问谁是镇上最有趣、最难忘的人，这让我们了解到的故事比一小时所能容纳的还要多。
We head now into Chattooga County.
我们现在前往查图加县。
Lisa Pollak went there.
丽莎·波拉克去了那里。
Though her story begins in town called Dalton over in Whitfield County.
她的故事始于惠特菲尔德县的道尔顿镇。
For years, the newspaper in Dalton, Georgia ran a question on its front page every day, something like do you agree with the governor's budget cuts?
多年来，佐治亚州道尔顿的报纸每天都会在头版刊登一个问题，比如你是否同意州长的预算削减？
Or what's your favorite Christmas meal?
或者你最喜欢的圣诞大餐是什么？
Readers called in and the paper printed their answers.
读者打电话来，报纸刊登了他们的答案。
The editor back then was a guy named Jimmy Espy.
当时的编辑是一个名叫吉米·埃斯皮（Jimmy Espy）的人。
And one night Jimmy was so busy on deadline that he didn't have time to think of a new question.
一天晚上，吉米在截止日期前太忙了，以至于没有时间思考新问题。
So instead, he just asked readers something like tell us what you think.
因此，他只是问读者一些问题，比如告诉我们你的想法。
That's right, tell the paper what you think anonymously about anything.
没错，匿名告诉报纸你对任何事情的看法。
The next day the paper got so many more calls than usual that Jimmy never went back to the old question format again.
第二天，报纸接到的电话比平时多了很多，以至于吉米再也没有回到旧的问题格式。
People had a lot to say, and they weren't shy about saying it.
人们有很多话要说，而且他们并不羞于说出来。
Within weeks, Jimmy told me, half the town was in a frenzy after one man called to complain that the old timers drinking coffee were taking up too much space at the [?
吉米告诉我，几周之内，半个城镇都陷入了疯狂，因为一名男子打电话抱怨老人们喝咖啡占据了[？
Hardees on Saturday mornings.
星期六早上哈迪斯。
The next thing you know the old timers are fired up, the wives and kids of the old timers are fired up.
接下来你知道老人们被激怒了，老人们的妻子和孩子们也被激怒了。
More people started calling in saying yeah, I'm tired of sitting in line all day waiting on my sausage biscuit.
越来越多的人开始打电话说是的，我厌倦了整天排队等待我的香肠饼干。
And it went on.
事情还在继续。
It went on for a while.
这样的情况持续了一段时间。
The old people called in too?
老人们也叫来了？
And what did they say?
他们说什么？
A lot of them kept bringing up World War II.
他们中的很多人不断提起第二次世界大战。
Wait, how so?
等等，怎么会这样？
Jimmy Dalton You know, the kind of mentality of we beat Hitler.
吉米·道尔顿（Jimmy Dalton）你知道，我们打败希特勒的心态。
So you just sit down and wait on your sausage biscuit, kid.
所以你就坐下来等你的香肠饼干吧，孩子。
That really was the talk of town.
这确实是城里的话题。
And it seemed like about every two to three weeks something else would hit that would really fire up the imagination and you would get a lot of calls.
似乎每隔两到三周就会有一些真正激发想象力的事情发生，你会接到很多电话。
About a year and a half later, Jimmy left the Dalton Paper and went to the Summerville News in Chattooga County.
大约一年半后，吉米离开了《道尔顿报》，去了查图加县的《萨默维尔新闻报》。
That's where I met him.
那是我遇见他的地方。
Jimmy's family runs the Summerville News.
吉米的家人经营《萨默维尔新闻》。
His brother is one of the owners.
他的兄弟是业主之一。
His uncle is the editor and publisher.
他的叔叔是编辑和出版商。
And even before Jimmy was hired, his relatives decided to borrow his idea from Dalton, and invited their readers to speak their minds in a column called Sound Off.
甚至在吉米被聘用之前，他的亲戚就决定向道尔顿借用他的想法，并邀请他们的读者在名为“Sound Off”的专栏中说出他们的想法。
Now I think it's fair to say that in a lot of small, Southern towns, telling people what you really think out in public, in front of strangers, is not usually recommended.
现在我认为可以公平地说，在许多南方小镇，通常不建议在公共场合、在陌生人面前告诉人们你的真实想法。
During my visit to Summerville, the people I interviewed were polite, they were gracious, full of pleasant observations.
在我访问萨默维尔期间，我采访的人们都很有礼貌、和蔼可亲，充满了令人愉快的观察。
And then I open the Summerville News.
然后我打开《萨默维尔新闻》。
The music at the fireworks was pathetic.
烟花表演时的音乐很悲惨。
That's Jimmy reading a recent Sound Off.
那是吉米在读最近的《Sound Off》。
Only one song had something to do with patriotism.
只有一首歌与爱国主义有关。
No wonder there so many drunks around the county.
难怪全县有这么多醉汉。
They should have played them Lee Greenwood, Independence, or the National Anthem.
他们应该演奏《李·格林伍德》、《独立》或《国歌》。
I just read where if we get caught on our cell phone while driving, we get a ticket.
我刚刚读到如果我们开车时玩手机被抓到，我们会收到罚单。
Well what about our precious cops who are seen driving around town talking on cell phones and texting?
那么，那些被看到开车在城里打电话和发短信的珍贵警察呢？
Fair is fair.
公平就是公平。
And one more.
还有一个。
Jimmy Dalton I think those students voicing their opinions about the school board's cuts need to shut up.
吉米·道尔顿（Jimmy Dalton） 我认为那些对学校董事会削减开支发表意见的学生需要闭嘴。
Let the adults handle the grownup decisions.
让成年人来处理成年人的决定。
And you teenagers stick with your computer games.
你们这些青少年还沉迷于电脑游戏。
That's a good one.
这是一件好事。
The fast typist there in Jason Espy, Jimmy's cousin.
杰森·埃斯皮（Jason Espy）是吉米的表弟，打字速度很快。
He's wearing headphones and transcribing the latest batch of Sound Off calls.
他戴着耳机，正在转录最新一批“声音关闭”通话。
That was a long one there.
那是一个很长的地方。
That lady was talking really fast.
这位女士说话速度真快。
If Sound Off were a bar, Jason would be a bouncer.
如果 Sound Off 是一家酒吧，Jason 将是一名保镖。
Every call, e-mail, and hand-written note, up to 100 submissions a week goes to him first.
每个电话、电子邮件和手写便条，每周最多 100 份提交都会首先发送给他。
If a comment is libelous, unfair, or too racy, it's cut.
如果评论是诽谤性的、不公平的或过于激烈的，它就会被删除。
I don't think I've announced it or anything.
我不认为我已经宣布了这一点或任何事情。
But these people out in the community know that it's me.
但社区里的这些人都知道是我。
And they'll say, "Hey Jason, you better print this one.
他们会说：“嘿，杰森，你最好打印这个。
Or I'm going to raise some sand if you don't print this one now".
或者，如果你现在不打印这篇文章，我就会举起一些沙子”。
He get's Sound Offs scribbled on napkins or slipped under the door.
他把声音断言写在餐巾纸上或从门缝里塞进去。
A few times people have even stopped him in public to dictate a Sound Off on the spot.
有几次，人们甚至在公共场合拦住他，当场口述“声音关闭”。
Well, it's weird.
嗯，这很奇怪。
I hate the Sound Off.
我讨厌声音关闭。
But then again, I enjoy the Sound Off.
但话又说回来，我很喜欢“声音关闭”。
Wait, you hate the Sound Off?
等等，你讨厌声音关闭吗？
Jason Espy I really do.
杰森·埃斯皮 我真的这么做。
I hate the Sound Off.
我讨厌声音关闭。
On one hand--
一方面——
Jason told me the first problem he has with Sound Off is the anonymity.
Jason 告诉我，他对 Sound Off 的第一个问题是匿名性。
It bothers him that people can name names and throw stones, but never own up to it.
让他烦恼的是，人们可以指名道姓、扔石头，但却从不承认这一点。
And there's a second problem.
还有第二个问题。
Here is this a great opportunity for people to address social issues and correct all these injustices, yet most of the time we use it to talk about Krystal hamburgers.
这是人们解决社会问题并纠正所有这些不公正现象的绝佳机会，但大多数时候我们用它来谈论水晶汉堡。
Yes, Krystal hamburgers.
是的，水晶汉堡。
That's Krystal with a K, the Southern fast food chain known for those square little burgers sold by the sack full.
这就是 Krystal with a K，一家南方快餐连锁店，以整袋出售的方形小汉堡而闻名。
Think White Castle if you're a Yankee.
如果您是洋基队，请考虑白色城堡。
There are 77 Krystal's in Georgia.
乔治亚州有 77 家 Krystal's。
And the fact that not one of them is located in Chattooga County has inspired many a Sound Off, counter Sound Off, and counter counter Sound Off, such as to Steve the owner of the local Mcdonald's franchise, have you considered starting at Krystal franchise?
事实上，没有一家位于查图加县，这一事实激发了许多 Sound Off、柜台 Sound Off 和柜台 Sound Off 的灵感，例如当地麦当劳特许经营店的老板 Steve，您是否考虑过从 Krystal 特许经营开始？
Why must I drive 20 minutes to get a Krystal with cheese?
为什么我必须开车 20 分钟才能买到加奶酪的 Krystal？
It's economic insanity to use $5 in gas for a $1 burger.
花费 5 美元的汽油来购买 1 美元的汉堡，这在经济上是疯狂的。
In response to the person driving 20 minutes to get Krystal hamburger, why drive it if you're going to complain?
回应有人开车 20 分钟去买 Krystal 汉堡，如果你要抱怨为什么还要开车呢？
I didn't know that Krystal hamburgers were so important.
我不知道水晶汉堡如此重要。
In psychology it was that the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, Krystal hamburgers in the South is at the top of Maslow's hierarchy.
在心理学上，马斯洛需求层次理论中，南方的水晶汉堡处于马斯洛需求层次理论的顶层。
And all else is below Krystal hamburgers.
其他一切都低于水晶汉堡。
Well, I'll tell you what's below Krystal hamburgers, is fried catfish and potholes.
好吧，我来告诉你水晶汉堡下面是什么，是炸鲶鱼和坑洼。
And what happens when people are driving over these potholes.
当人们开车驶过这些坑洼时会发生什么。
I stuck around the office a bit while Jason transcribed calls.
当杰森记录电话时，我在办公室里待了一会儿。
Here's one.
这是一个。
Lisa Pollak This is today, right?
丽莎·波拉克 这是今天，对吧？
There's no telling here.
这里没什么可说的。
Sound Off Caller Yes, I believe that Chattooga County should be behind our local [UNINTELLIGIBLE] that is on an environmental mission--
关闭呼叫者是的，我相信查图加县应该支持我们当地的[无法理解]，该县正在执行环境使命--
The gist of this woman's message was that county residents should fight pollution.
这位女士传达的信息的主旨是，县里的居民应该与污染作斗争。
They should protect local waterways.
他们应该保护当地的水道。
What do you think of that?
你对此有何看法？
Jason Espy I think I put her up to that?
Jason Espy 我想是我让她这么做的？
I put her up to that because I knew you were coming today.
我让她这么做是因为我知道你今天会来。
I said please call at 1:00 and talk about maybe some kind of environmental issue.
我说请在 1:00 打电话讨论也许是某种环境问题。
And we won't seem so crazy.
我们不会显得那么疯狂。
Are you serious?
你是认真的？
Jason Espy Yeah, I'm serious.
杰森·埃斯皮 是的，我是认真的。
Well, I admire that you're admitting that.
嗯，我很钦佩你承认这一点。
Jason worries that outsiders were get a bad impression of where he lives reading Sound Off.
杰森担心外人会对他所住的地方留下不好的印象。
But the impression I got, and I read quite a few of them, is simply that there's a lot of people who just really needed to say something, who got to say it, no interruption, no argument.
但我读到的很多文章给我的印象就是，有很多人确实需要说些什么，必须说出来，没有打扰，没有争论。
What I liked about Sound Off, is that it feels like real life.
我喜欢《Sound Off》的原因是它感觉就像现实生活一样。
Most days there's plenty to complain about.
大多数时候，有很多值得抱怨的事情。
And every once in a while, people surprise you.
每隔一段时间，人们就会给你带来惊喜。
This Sound Off ran July 8.
此 Sound Off 于 7 月 8 日播出。
I asked Jimmy to read it.
我请吉米读一下。
"A local company closed its doors this past week.
“一家当地公司上周关门了。
Unfortunately I was an employee that lost my job.
不幸的是，我是一名失业的员工。
I just want to thank Mike, Cathy, and Charlie for the chance to work for you since the year 2000.
我只想感谢 Mike、Cathy 和 Charlie 自 2000 年以来给了我为你们工作的机会。
Thank you Jarrett family for not treating me only as an employee, but treating me as part of the family.
感谢贾勒特一家人不只把我当作员工，而是把我当作家庭的一员。
I wish you all the luck in the future and wish all their former employees well." And that's somebody who just lost their jobs saying thanks to the people who had to let them go.
我祝你们未来一切顺利，并祝他们所有前员工一切顺利。”这是一个刚刚失业的人向那些不得不让他们离开的人表示感谢。
I came to Summerville to find someone unforgettable.
我来到萨默维尔是为了寻找一个难忘的人。
I don't know this man's name.
我不知道这个人的名字。
But I won't forgot him.
但我不会忘记他。
The next up is Jane Feltes.
下一个是简·费尔特斯。
Jane is also the producer of today's show.
简也是今天节目的制片人。
And Jane, you went to two different counties, counties that sit right next to each other.
简，你去了两个不同的县，两个县相邻。
Yeah, Coffee and Bacon.
是的，咖啡和培根。
Ira Glass And they're named after the foods?
Ira Glass：它们是以食物命名的吗？
No, actually they're named after people, John E.
不，实际上它们是以约翰·E·约翰 (John E.
Coffee and Augustus Octavius Bacon.
咖啡和奥古斯都·奥克塔维乌斯·培根。
Augustus Octavius Bacon is quite a name.
奥古斯都·奥克塔维乌斯·培根是一个相当响亮的名字。
And they're both in the military.
而且他们都在军队。
And they were both senators.
他们都是参议员。
OK, well I'm learning a lot.
好吧，我学到了很多东西。
Jane Feltes And they were both delicious.
简·费尔特斯 它们都很美味。
Obviously so.
显然是这样。
So where do we start?
那么我们从哪里开始呢？
What town?
什么城镇？
I'm in Douglas, which is in Coffee County, at the busiest place I can find in town.
我在咖啡县的道格拉斯，这里是我能找到的镇上最繁忙的地方。
And there's roughly around 11,000 people in Douglas.
道格拉斯大约有 11,000 人。
So I go to this place Flash Foods, which is a gas station slash convenience store.
于是我就去了Flash Foods这个地方，这是一家加油站斜线便利店。
It's pretty busy on a Wednesday morning.
周三早上非常忙碌。
And the clerk there, I noticed she's like talking to everybody.
那里的店员，我注意到她喜欢和每个人说话。
Her name is Tamika.
她的名字叫塔米卡。
So I ask her who the most interesting person in town is.
所以我问她城里最有趣的人是谁。
She says her friend Karen Darby who works down at the other Flash Foods at the south side of town.
她说她的朋友凯伦·达比（Karen Darby）在镇南边的另一家快餐店工作。
She always keeps me laughing.
她总是让我笑。
She just left [UNINTELLIGIBLE] as a matter of fact.
事实上，她刚刚离开[无法理解]。
All right, I'll go look for her.
好吧，我这就去找她。
Thanks Tamika.
谢谢塔米卡。
I drive south, I'd say about a mile or two to the other Flash Foods and I find Karen.
我向南行驶，大约一两英里到其他快餐店，我找到了凯伦。
She tells me no, she's not the one.
她告诉我不，她不是那个人。
Who I need to talk to is Adam.
我需要和亚当谈谈。
Right over here is Adam.
亚当就在这儿。
Let me show you.
让我告诉你。
She directs me across the street to this white building that has a red sign and some guitars hanging in the window.
她带我穿过马路来到这座白色的建筑，那里有一个红色的标志，窗户上挂着一些吉他。
Vickers Music.
维克斯音乐。
I ask for Adam.
我请求亚当。
Adam-- we got some animals in here-- who is the most interesting person in this store?
亚当——我们这里有一些动物——谁是这家店里最有趣的人？
Adam, she wants to interview you.
亚当，她想采访你。
Adam comes out of a room at the back of the store and makes his way through the stacks of amplifiers, keyboards, guitars hanging overhead.
亚当从商店后面的一个房间里出来，穿过头顶上成堆的扩音器、键盘和吉他。
He's tall, bald, kind of looks like a softer Stone Cold Steve Austin.
他很高，秃头，看起来有点像冷石史蒂夫·奥斯汀。
He quickly explains to me that this is his family's business.
他很快向我解释说这是他家族的生意。
His folks and little brother can take over helping customers while we talk.
当我们谈话时，他的家人和弟弟可以接管帮助顾客。
We've been here 31 years.
我们在这里已经 31 年了。
Jane Feltes Is is going well?
Jane Feltes 进展顺利吗？
Oh yeah, always, always.
哦，是的，永远，永远。
The music business is different from other businesses.
音乐行业与其他行业不同。
When you have a down economy, we thrive.
当经济不景气时，我们就会蓬勃发展。
Really Adam Sure.
真的是亚当当然。
People stay home.
人们呆在家里。
You sit on the front porch and you remember that you had a guitar.
你坐在前廊上，你记得你有一把吉他。
When you sit down and you strum a guitar, you forget I just got laid off from the job.
当你坐下来弹吉他时，你会忘记我刚刚被解雇。
I just had this happen or had that happen.
我刚刚发生过这种情况或发生过那种情况。
My guitar sales pick up.
我的吉他销量有所上升。
My overall instrument sales pick up.
我的整体乐器销量有所回升。
How did you learn to play?
你是怎么学会玩的？
Adam I learned to play with a Willie Nelson song book and a guitar.
亚当 我学会了用威利·尼尔森的歌集和吉他来演奏。
And I would site in my room at night and learn chords and strum right on my own.
晚上我会在我的房间里自己学习和弦和弹奏。
Did your dad teach you how to read sheet music?
你爸爸教你读乐谱吗？
No, he gave me a book.
不，他给了我一本书。
I told you it was hard.
我告诉过你这很难。
He gave you a book and said you want to play?
他给了你一本书，说你想玩吗？
There is is.
有就是.
Go learn.
去学习吧。
Strange seeing as how his dad owns a music store and used to tour the country in a band Adam says his dad just wasn't around that much.
奇怪的是，他的父亲拥有一家音乐商店，并曾随乐队在全国巡回演出。亚当说，他的父亲并不经常出现在他身边。
We were getting off the ground when I was young.
当我年轻的时候，我们已经起步了。
We were just getting the business off the ground.
我们的业务刚刚起步。
So he was very, very consumed with the business.
所以他非常非常专注于这项业务。
He was gone.
他走了。
He was working all the time from daylight to late at night.
他从白天一直工作到深夜。
So I didn't see him a lot.
所以我没经常见到他。
But I mean, he made it work.
但我的意思是，他成功了。
I can come in now and have a business.
我现在可以进来做生意了。
And do you have any kids?
你有孩子吗？
Adam I have one child.
亚当 我有一个孩子。
He is two.
他两岁了。
Are you going to try to push him into the family business?
你会试图把他推入家族企业吗？
No I'm not going to push him into nothing.
不，我不会把他逼到无事可做的地步。
I want him to do what he wants to do.
我想让他做他想做的事。
You want to be a different kind of dad then your dad?
你想成为一个与你父亲不同的父亲吗？
I enjoy spending time with him.
我很享受和他在一起的时光。
And not to say-- you understand that-- not to say that he didn't.
并不是说——你明白这一点——也不是说他没有。
But I am really hands on.
但我真的很亲力亲为。
We go fishing every evening.
我们每天晚上都去钓鱼。
Every evening?
每天晚上？
Adam Almost every evening if I can get home before dark.
亚当 几乎每天晚上，如果我能在天黑前回家的话。
If I have a lot of work going on we go fishing.
如果我有很多工作要做，我们就去钓鱼。
and then I have to put him to bed and get up and come back, that's what we do.
然后我必须把他放到床上，然后起床再回来，这就是我们所做的。
Mind you, he's saying all of this within ear shot of his entire family, dad included.
请注意，他说的这一切都是在他全家人的耳边说的，包括父亲。
Will you play a song for me?
你会为我演奏一首歌吗？
Adam picks up his guitar and gives it a quick tuning.
亚当拿起吉他并快速调音。
Adam Remember John Denver?
亚当 还记得约翰·丹佛吗？
This is a take off of his Country Roads.
这是他的乡村道路的起飞。
[GUITAR MUSIC AND SINGING] Jane Feltes He's sitting a foot in front of me and staring directly in my eyes.
[吉他音乐和歌唱] Jane Feltes 他坐在我面前一英尺处，直视着我的眼睛。
I wasn't sure should I look away or is this what happens when you ask someone to sing you a song.
我不确定我是否应该把目光移开，或者当你要求某人给你唱歌时会发生这种情况。
[GUITAR MUSIC AND SINGING] Adam We have a good time with that one.
[吉他音乐和歌唱] Adam 我们和那个人一起度过了一段愉快的时光。
Well next up, a county right in the middle of the state.
接下来是该州中部的一个县。
And Sarah Koenig, you are the one who went there.
莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig），你就是去过那里的人。
Right.
正确的。
I was assigned Twiggs County.
我被分配到特威格斯县。
The county city is Jeffersonville, a city of about 1,500 people, majority African American, majority poor.
县城是杰斐逊维尔，这座城市约有 1,500 人，其中大多数是非洲裔美国人，大多数是穷人。
There used to be a lot of mining jobs here.
这里曾经有很多采矿工作。
But now they're all gone.
但现在他们都走了。
At just before 5 PM, I wandered into city hall.
下午五点左右，我漫步走进市政厅。
There's this very nice guy sitting behind the desk who said the most interesting person in town was his boss.
办公桌后面坐着一个非常好的人，他说镇上最有趣的人是他的老板。
She's just full of life.
她只是充满了生机。
She's been a lot of places.
她去过很多地方。
Why, what is the story of her life, I mean broadly?
为什么，我的意思是，她的人生故事是什么？
I'll let her tell it.
我会让她说出来。
I'm not going to spoil it for the people I'm serious.
我不会破坏那些我认真的人的。
And you're not just telling me this because she's your boss and you have to suggest you boss.
你告诉我这些不仅仅是因为她是你的老板，你必须推荐你的老板。
(SUBJECT) CITY HALL EMPLOYEE: Well yeah, she is my boss, but that's not the reason I'm telling you this.
（主题） 市政厅员工：是的，她是我的老板，但这不是我告诉你这些的原因。
I can tell you other things about her being my boss, but you wouldn't want to hear those.
我可以告诉你关于她是我老板的其他事情，但你不会想听的。
I tracked her down.
我追踪到了她。
Her name is Sonya Mallory in a different county, actually, where she was working her other job at a cosmetology school, a pretty sad looking cosmetology school in a corner of a strip mall.
实际上，她的名字叫索尼娅·马洛里 (Sonya Mallory)，在另一个县，她正在一家美容学校做另一份工作，那是一所位于露天购物中心角落的看起来相当悲伤的美容学校。
And I'm actually the director of the school.
我实际上是学校的校长。
Well, I've been doing it for about six years.
嗯，我已经这样做了大约六年。
Actually and I applied for this job because I had a leak in my ceiling, and I was going to like do some extra work.
事实上，我申请这份工作是因为我的天花板漏水，我想做一些额外的工作。
But once I got here, I haven't fixed my roof yet.
但我到了这里后，屋顶还没有修好。
The reason she hasn't fixed her roof, is because once she realized what was going on with her students, a lot of single mothers, no money, she started pitching in.
她之所以没有修好屋顶，是因为一旦她意识到她的学生的情况，很多单身母亲，没有钱，她就开始投入。
She and a couple of other teachers pulled their money to buy a year's worth of bus fares for a few students, plus gas money, lunch money.
她和其他几位老师掏钱给几个学生买了一年的公交车费，还有汽油费、午餐费。
They even swapped clothes.
他们甚至交换了衣服。
Because you can't afford it at the Salvation Army if you're really poor.
因为如果你真的很穷，你就买不起救世军的费用。
It's not so much that Sonya Mallory is a bleeding Heart It's that stuff like this drives her crazy, seeing black people struggling, no one helping her out.
索尼娅·马洛里并不是一颗流血的心，而是这样的事情让她发疯，看到黑人在挣扎，却没有人帮助她。
Plus she's been there, which leads us to her other job, the one back in Jeffersonville.
而且她也去过那里，这让我们找到了她的另一份工作，即回到杰斐逊维尔的那份工作。
But before I get to that, some background.
但在我开始之前，先介绍一些背景知识。
Sonya Mallory is 56.
索尼娅·马洛里 56 岁。
She was born in Jeffersonville, grew up in a tiny rented house, three rooms, seven kids in bunk beds.
她出生在杰斐逊维尔，在一间租来的小房子里长大，只有三个房间，七个孩子睡在双层床上。
Her dad worked on the railroad, which was a good job, but he was a terrible alcoholic.
她的父亲在铁路工作，这是一份不错的工作，但他是个严重的酒鬼。
And when he'd come home at the end of the week he terrorized the house beating up their mom, chasing the kids with a shotgun.
当他周末回家时，他恐吓全家人，殴打他们的妈妈，用猎枪追赶孩子们。
The cops never did anything about it.
警察对此从未采取任何行动。
Sonya hated him.
索尼娅恨他。
Her mother worked for a white family, taking care of their kids and cooking.
她的母亲在一个白人家庭工作，负责照顾孩子和做饭。
One day when Sonya and her little brother were walking home from school, a car came along, swerved, and hit her brother, broke his arm and his leg.
有一天，当索尼娅和她的弟弟放学回家时，一辆汽车驶来，突然转向，撞到了她的弟弟，摔断了他的胳膊和腿。
And it turned out the driver was one of the white kids her mother took care of.
事实证明，司机是她母亲照顾的白人孩子之一。
And the white family, they never even came to check in on her brother to see how he was doing.
而白人一家，他们甚至从来没有来看看她哥哥过得怎么样。
And I thought that was the most terrible thing.
我认为这是最可怕的事情。
Here it is my momma seeing about their kids.
这是我妈妈在看他们的孩子。
And one of their kids run over my brother and you don't see them anywhere.
他们的一个孩子碾压了我的兄弟，但你在任何地方都看不到他们。
So I mean, that was a bunch of hokey.
所以我的意思是，那是一堆做作的事情。
Was everybody noticing these things?
大家都注意到这些事情了吗？
Or would you sort of madder about these things than people around you?
或者你会比你周围的人对这些事情更生气吗？
Do you what I mean?
你明白我的意思吗？
Somehow you just feel like wait, why is nobody else mad about this?
不知怎的，你只是想等等，为什么没有人对此生气呢？
Or was everybody mad about it?
还是大家都为此生气了？
No, everybody wasn't.
不，每个人都不是。
That's why I found it totally amazing.
这就是为什么我觉得它非常神奇。
Like nobody else was.
就像其他人一样。
Because my mama still went to work for them.
因为我妈妈仍然去为他们工作。
As a matter of fact, I think I was mad at her for a while.
事实上，我想我有一段时间对她很生气。
After Sonya graduated high school, her first order of business was to get away from Jeffersonville.
索尼娅高中毕业后，她的第一件事就是离开杰斐逊维尔。
She moved to Macon, joined the military, worked as an army nurse, then at a VA hospital, and finally moved back to Jeffersonville in the late 1980s and looked around.
她搬到梅肯，参军，担任陆军护士，然后在退伍军人管理局的一家医院工作，最后在 20 世纪 80 年代末搬回杰斐逊维尔并四处寻找。
When I came home I realized Jesus Christ, Jeffersonville is the same as it was when I left.
当我回到家时，我意识到耶稣基督，杰斐逊维尔和我离开时一样。
There was nothing there.
那里什么也没有。
There was no job for the ones that were staying.
留下来的人没有工作。
And there was nothing for the kids.
孩子们什么也没有。
They would just sit around on the streets.
他们只是坐在街上。
There was nothing.
什么也没有。
It made her mad.
这让她很生气。
It made her think about all the unfairness she'd seen growing up.
这让她想起了她成长过程中所看到的所有不公平。
And one day she got an idea.
有一天，她有了一个主意。
I had gone to the post office, and the guy there was on counsel, he was saying something about a lot of people having their water cut off.
我去了邮局，那里的那个人正在提供咨询，他说很多人的水都被切断了。
And of course he didn't know I was in there.
当然他不知道我在里面。
And he said they cut a lot of black folks water off.
他说他们切断了很多黑人的用水。
Sonya said she knew some white folks who hadn't pay their bills either.
索尼娅说她认识一些白人也没有支付账单。
Their water wasn't getting cut off.
他们的水没有被切断。
And I said to myself, the post office is still in the same place.
我对自己说，邮局还在同一个地方。
Everything's doing the same.
一切都在做同样的事情。
Roads are bad.
路况不好。
I mean you know, people aren't getting any help.
我的意思是你知道，人们没有得到任何帮助。
So I said, you know what, I'm going to find out when the next election.
所以我说，你知道吗，我要找出下次选举的时间。
And I found out when it was and I just ran for mayor.
我知道是什么时候了，然后我就竞选市长了。
So Sonya Mallory decides to run for mayor in town that's never had a black mayor, never mind a black woman mayor.
因此，索尼娅·马洛里决定在从未有过黑人市长的小镇竞选市长，更不用说黑人女市长了。
Everyone she talked to about it, her friends, her family, they'd all say the same thing.
与她谈论这件事的每个人，她的朋友，她的家人，他们都会说同样的话。
It's not going to happen.
这不会发生。
They'd say, girl you know the people ain't going to let you do that.
他们会说，女孩，你知道人们不会让你这么做的。
Because they've been in Georgia all these years.
因为这些年来他们一直在佐治亚州。
They ain't going to let you do that.
他们不会让你这么做的。
In that first election in 1991, they didn't let her do it.
在 1991 年的第一次选举中，他们没有让她这么做。
She lost by 13 votes to a white guy.
她以 13 票之差输给了一位白人。
Sonya told me black people on the voter rolls were turned away from the polls when white people who didn't even reside in the city were given ballots.
索尼娅告诉我，当甚至不住在该市的白人获得选票时，选民名册上的黑人就被拒绝参加投票。
And before you think yeah, but the loser always claims voter fraud, in the end a Georgia Superior Court Judge agreed with her and threw out the election results.
在你想到是的之前，失败者总是声称选民欺诈，最终佐治亚州高等法院法官同意了她的观点，并驳回了选举结果。
And the Department of Justice sent four federal observers to monitor the do-over election eight months later.
司法部派出了四名联邦观察员来监督八个月后的重来选举。
But by that time, one of Sonya's sisters was dying of cancer.
但那时，索尼娅的一位姐妹死于癌症。
She was distracted and out of steam.
她心烦意乱，心力交瘁。
She lost.
她输了。
Then tried again.
然后又尝试了一次。
And finally in 1999 she won.
最终她在 1999 年获胜。
She was Mayor Sonya Mallory.
她是市长索尼娅·马洛里。
Now she just had to figure out what that actually meant.
现在她只需要弄清楚这到底意味着什么。
I had no clue, no clue to what the whole big picture entailed.
我不知道，不知道整个大局意味着什么。
And I had never been there.
而我从来没有去过那里。
There was nobody there to pass anything on to let me know what was actually going on.
那里没有人传递任何信息让我知道到底发生了什么。
There's no process where the previous mayor says here's where we are.
前任市长没有说过我们现在的处境。
With essentially no information about how to be mayor, she turned to the only available source, the record.
由于基本上没有关于如何成为市长的信息，她求助于唯一可用的来源，即记录。
So I had to read the minutes from 1801 up until the time.
所以我必须读从 1801 一直到时间的会议记录。
So my brain is kind of--
所以我的大脑有点——
Wait, you had to read 200 years of minutes.
等等，你必须读 200 年的分钟。
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Sarah Koenig It took her most of a year to get through the minutes.
莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）花了一年多的时间才完成这些会议记录。
Meanwhile she got threatening letters, her gossip about how people were saying she wouldn't last.
与此同时，她收到了恐吓信，以及人们说她活不下去的流言蜚语。
To top it off, her husband got arrested for DUI and some other stuff, spent a year in jail.
最糟糕的是，她的丈夫因酒后驾车和其他一些事情被捕，在监狱里呆了一年。
So her only source of income was her mayor's salary, $250 a month.
所以她唯一的收入来源就是市长的工资，每月 250 美元。
So there she was, the mayor, sitting at home at night, no water, no lights.
所以她，市长，晚上坐在家里，没有水，没有灯。
And the actual mayor job was turning out to be harder than she anticipated, especially the city council meetings.
事实证明，市长的实际工作比她预想的要困难，尤其是市议会会议。
That part of the job, even ten years later, hasn't been highly productive.
即使十年后，这部分工作的生产力仍然不高。
There's constant drama.
剧情不断。
Naturally, their thing was to fight against anything I say.
当然，他们的职责就是反对我所说的一切。
Right now it's totally amazing.
现在这真是太棒了。
Because I can tell you when I first got in was all of my council people were Caucasians.
因为我可以告诉你，当我第一次进来时，我所有的议员都是白人。
No they're all black.
不，他们都是黑人。
But I can tell you this, there's no difference.
但我可以告诉你，没有什么区别。
Be careful what you ask for.
小心你的要求。
What?
什么？
Like what's an example?
比如有什么例子吗？
What do they do?
他们做什么？
They think their general job is to make sure employees ain't trying to cheat for five minutes and the police department, they're locking up their cousins.
他们认为他们的一般工作是确保员工五分钟内不会试图作弊，而警察局则将他们的表兄弟关起来。
And they worry more about employees taking five minutes more of break than they do sitting there trying to get grant money to get something for the kids.
他们更担心员工多休息五分钟，而不是坐在那里试图获得补助金来为孩子们买点东西。
I told them that one tie.
我告诉他们打领带。
Quit fighting against what we need to be doing that's important for the community.
不要再反对我们需要做的对社区很重要的事情。
If you didn't have enough balls to run for mayor, I've got a couple left and I'll let you have them.
如果你没有足够的胆子去竞选市长，我还剩下几个胆子，我会让你拥有它们。
Council members I spoke to admitted the meetings can get kind of twisted up.
我采访过的理事会成员承认，会议可能会变得有点混乱。
But they say Mayor Mallory isn't exactly perfect either.
但他们说马洛里市长也并不完美。
They said she doesn't keep them informed, takes things into her own hands when she should be consulting them, doesn't follow protocol, or unfairly blames them for things.
他们说，她没有及时通知他们，在应该咨询他们的时候却把事情掌握在自己手中，不遵守协议，或者不公平地将事情归咎于他们。
The dysfunction is well known in town and beyond.
这种功能障碍在城里和其他地方是众所周知的。
It was especially bad in the beginning.
刚开始的时候尤其糟糕。
Here's the lead of a 2001 Macon Telegraph story, "The Tuesday night meeting of the Jeffersonville City Council lasted either 15 minutes or one and a half hours depending on whom you ask.
这是 2001 年《梅肯电讯报》的一篇报道的主要内容：“杰斐逊维尔市议会周二晚上的会议持续了 15 分钟或一个半小时，具体取决于你问的对象。
The U.S. Department of Agriculture suspended the city's grant application for a $7 million water and sewer expansions-- the city has had terrible sewage problems-- citing articles in the local paper that described malfeasance, sexism, and racism within the government.
美国农业部暂停了该市700万美元供水和下水道扩建项目的拨款申请——该市的污水问题非常严重——援引当地报纸上描述政府内部渎职、性别歧视和种族主义的文章。
The report for the local paper and Twiggs told me the city council meetings were so ridiculous, she stopped covering them.
当地报纸和特威格斯的报道告诉我，市议会会议是如此荒谬，她不再报道它们。
In her ten years as mayor, Sonya hasn't brought an airport, or a convention center, or a mall to the county, all early ambitions.
在担任市长的十年里，索尼娅没有为该县带来机场、会议中心或购物中心，而这些都是她早期的雄心壮志。
But she's at least put computers in city , gotten grants to beautify the streets, dealt with recurring sewage problems.
但她至少在城市里安装了电脑，获得了美化街道的拨款，解决了反复出现的污水问题。
And then there are successes that are harder to quantify.
还有一些更难以量化的成功。
Just little bitty minor things like black people would come to city hall and they were scared to come any further than the window.
只有像黑人这样的小事才会来到市政厅，他们不敢靠近窗户。
Which window?
哪个窗口？
Sonya Mallory The window where you pay the bill.
Sonya Mallory 您支付账单的窗口。
Trust me.
相信我。
And I would say come on back.
我想说回来吧。
They'd be like, "nuh uh." You understand what I'm saying?
他们会说，“不，呃。”你明白我在说什么吗？
Sonya says as the country has changed, things have gotten better in Jeffersonville.
索尼娅说，随着国家的变化，杰斐逊维尔的情况也变得更好。
You can overhear blacks and whites chatting about the weather in the post office where there used to be silence between them.
你可以无意中听到黑人和白人在邮局里谈论天气，那里曾经是一片沉默。
And you can see blacks working in the courthouse and the supermarket.
你可以看到黑人在法院和超市工作。
Sonya says these steps might be small, but they add up.
索尼娅说，这些步骤可能很小，但积少成多。
Well we started our program today with Charles Salter, the newspaper reporter who was the original Georgia Rambler back in the 1970s.
好吧，我们今天的节目是由报纸记者 Charles Salter 开始的，他是 20 世纪 70 年代最初的 Georgia Rambler。
And we end our show with Charles Salter, his son, who everybody calls Chuck.
我们以他的儿子查尔斯·索尔特（Charles Salter）结束我们的节目，大家都称他为查克（Chuck）。
For today's show, he went to Elbert County on the coast.
为了今天的演出，他去了沿海的埃尔伯特县。
But he also looked back at a huge stack of his dad's old stories.
但他也回顾了他父亲的一大堆旧故事。
I was 11 years old when my dad became the Georgia Rambler.
当我父亲成为佐治亚漫步者时，我才 11 岁。
I don't remember him telling us about his new job.
我不记得他告诉我们他的新工作。
What I remember is that he now had a company car, not an anonymous sedan, but a big white whale of a station wagon with his name plastered on both sides, Charles Salter, the Georgia Rambler.
我记得的是，他现在有一辆公司用车，不是一辆匿名轿车，而是一辆大白鲸旅行车，两侧都贴着他的名字，查尔斯·索尔特，佐治亚漫步者。
The paper's name appears on the station wagon too, along with its motto, "Covers Dixie Like the Dew".
该报纸的名称也出现在旅行车上，并附有其座右铭“像露水一样覆盖迪克西”。
That's dew as in morning dew.
那是露水，就像早晨的露水一样。
My dad was fond of reciting this line out loud like a favorite verse of poetry.
我父亲喜欢大声背诵这句话，就像朗诵最喜欢的诗句一样。
Because my name is also Charles Salter, the genius of this whole marketing ploy, a four-wheeled billboard crisscrossing the state was completely lost on me.
因为我的名字也叫查尔斯·索尔特（Charles Salter），他是整个营销策略的天才，所以我完全迷失了横跨该州的四轮广告牌。
Instead, the car was a kick me sign.
相反，这辆车是一个踢我的标志。
I was in junior high school.
我当时正在上初中。
On the days my dad picked me up from school or baseball practice, I begged him to take my mom's car, or at least park around the corner.
当我爸爸接我放学或棒球训练时，我求他开我妈妈的车，或者至少把车停在街角。
I rarely read my dad's column.
我很少读我爸爸的专栏。
At dinner he'd say, "I met a real character today".
晚餐时他会说：“我今天遇到了一个真正的人物”。
And mention some town I'd never heard of.
并提到一些我从未听说过的城镇。
I was indifferent.
我无动于衷。
Everyone's father had a job, big deal.
每个人的父亲都有工作，这很重要。
Somewhere around 1976 or '77 during summer vacation, my dad got the idea that I should ramble along with him.
大约在 1976 年或 77 年的暑假期间，我爸爸想到我应该和他一起去散步。
So I climbed in that station wagon and we headed to some dot of a town on the map.
于是我爬上那辆旅行车，前往地图上某个城镇的某个点。
To me, the countryside looked like one never-any crop.
对我来说，乡村看起来就像是一种从未有过任何庄稼的地方。
I couldn't tell where one farm ended and the next again.
我分不清一个农场的尽头在哪里，另一个农场的尽头在哪里。
One day, we met a farmer name J.
有一天，我们遇到了一位名叫J的农民。
B.
B.
Lloyd.
劳埃德。
We sat on the back porch and my dad asked J.
我们坐在后门廊上，我爸爸问 J.
B.
B.
about farming without a tractor, just a horse and plow.
关于没有拖拉机，只有马和犁的农业。
I didn't ask any questions.
我没有问任何问题。
I was shy.
我很害羞。
And about the only thing I wanted to know is do you have a TV out here?
我唯一想知道的是你们这里有电视吗？
How do you watch Braves games or Charlie's Angels?
你如何观看勇敢者队或查理天使队的比赛？
Reporting in small towns brought out another side of my dad.
在小镇做报道展现了我父亲的另一面。
His southern accent got noticeably stronger.
他的南方口音明显变得更重了。
And he sounded like he'd flea Atlanta any minute.
听起来他随时都会逃离亚特兰大。
"Now I live in the city, but I'm not from there", he'd say to people.
“现在我住在城里，但我不是那里的人”，他对人们说。
"I was born in Ocilla and grew up in Waycroft".
“我出生在奥西拉，在韦克罗夫特长大”。
He'd go on and on about his love of fishing on small ponds, and red eyed gravy and fried okra.
他会不停地谈论他对小池塘钓鱼、红眼肉汁和炸秋葵的热爱。
He was shameless about this country cred.
他对这个国家信誉感到无耻。
I, on the other hand, was a suburban kid.
另一方面，我是一个郊区的孩子。
I thought fishing was boring.
我觉得钓鱼很无聊。
I preferred hanging out at the mall.
我更喜欢在商场闲逛。
In a way, going with my father on all those Georgia Rambler trips, it made me realize how different he and I were.
在某种程度上，和我父亲一起参加所有乔治亚漫步者之旅，这让我意识到他和我有多么不同。
For the show, I had my dad send me a box of old columns.
为了这个节目，我让爸爸寄给我一盒旧专栏。
As I read them after all these years, I found myself wondering what happened to the people who he wrote about.
这么多年后，当我读到这些文章时，我发现自己想知道他所写的那些人发生了什么事。
So I called a few.
于是我就叫了几个。
The college senior who moved into the woods to live without electricity and plumbing now lives in Alaska.
这位大学高年级学生搬到树林里过着没有电和管道的生活，现在住在阿拉斯加。
The small town narcotics officer who worried she wouldn't find a husband who would put up with her job stayed on the force for 31 years and is happily married.
这位小镇缉毒警官担心自己找不到能忍受自己工作的丈夫，但她在警队工作了 31 年，婚姻幸福。
And the two farmers who tried to stop the government from putting their farm underwater when it dammed to Savannah River, I found them too.
当萨凡纳河筑坝时，两名试图阻止政府将他们的农场淹没的农民，我也找到了他们。
All right, so I wanted to show you.
好吧，所以我想给你看一下。
Do you recognize this?
你认识这个吗？
Fight [UNINTELLIGIBLE], This is the story that my dad did?
战斗[无法理解]，这是我爸爸写的故事？
Do you remember my dad?
你还记得我爸爸吗？
want to place him.
想安置他。
I'm sorry I don't remember him.
抱歉我不记得他了。
But it's been 33 years ago, you know.
但你知道，那已经是 33 年前的事了。
But we had you had so many people locked him channel four channels dirt train oh and turn over dogs
但我们有这么多人锁住了他通道四通道泥土火车哦，把狗翻过来
Windell Cleveland with 36 when my dad interviewed him.
当我爸爸采访温德尔·克利夫兰时，他的成绩是 36 岁。
He's 69 now.
他现在69岁了。
The story was about him and his father [?
这个故事是关于他和他的父亲[？
Cade ?] Cleveland.
凯德？]克利夫兰。
The Army Corps of Engineers came into Elbert County wanting to dam the Savannah River and create a 26,000-acre lake by flooding all the land in a river valley.
陆军工程兵团进入埃尔伯特县，想要在萨凡纳河上筑坝，并通过淹没河谷中的所有土地来形成一个 26,000 英亩的湖泊。
The Cleveland's farm was right on the river, right in the path of the lake.
克利夫兰的农场就在河边，就在湖边的小道上。
They watched their neighbors sell one by one, and told they were the only ones left.
他们看着邻居一件一件地卖掉，并告诉他们只剩下他们了。
They held out so long that Windell took to wearing a gun afraid federal marshals would show up and drag them off their property.
他们坚持了很长时间，以至于温德尔开始戴枪，担心联邦法警会出现并将他们从他们的财产中拖走。
They held out so long that finally the Army Corps did something kind of remarkable.
他们坚持了很长时间，最终陆军军团做出了一些了不起的事情。
After years of insisting they needed all of the Cleveland's land, the Corps buckled and offered Windell a deal to keep 36 acres.
经过多年坚持他们需要克利夫兰的所有土地后，军团屈服了，向温德尔提出了保留 36 英亩土地的协议。
I think I went down there and signed them, and then they moved in there that afternoon about 1 o'clock.
我想我去那里签了名，然后他们在那天下午 1 点左右搬到了那里。
We went down there and watched them cross.
我们走到那里看着他们穿过。
They come from [?
他们来自[?
Van's Creek ?] through yonder through the park.
Van's Creek？]穿过那边穿过公园。
And they had 35 bulldozers
他们有35台推土机
Windell's father [?
温德尔的父亲[?
Cade ?] died two years before this.
凯德？]在此之前两年去世。
So from the front of his house, Windell stood alone watching the bulldozers come over the horizon knocking down forests, leveling a the field of wheat, and toppling the old chimney.
因此，温德尔独自站在屋前，看着推土机从地平线上开过来，推倒森林，夷平麦田，推倒旧烟囱。
It was all that was left of the farmhouse built in 1741, the one his father was born in.
这是他父亲出生于 1741 年的农舍仅存的部分。
They come in just like a gang of ants.
他们就像一群蚂蚁一样涌进来。
Now it wasn't easy to watch none of it.
现在想看这些都不容易了。
You were like more or less giving your whole life away.
你或多或少地放弃了你的一生。
It was just destroyed.
它刚刚被摧毁了。
When you build a dam that makes a lake, the water doesn't rush in all at once.
当你建造一座水坝来形成湖泊时，水不会一下子涌进来。
Windell watched for a year as the water came closer drowning the farm acre by acre.
温德尔观察了一年，水越来越近，淹没了农场的一英亩土地。
When the lake was full, the water was almost all the way to windows house.
当湖水满了的时候，水几乎一直漫到了窗边的房子。
On a map, his land looks like a leaf in a big puddle.
在地图上，他的土地看起来就像大水坑里的一片叶子。
He and his wife Charlene are surrounded by water on three sides.
他和他的妻子夏琳三面被水包围。
When I went to see him, Windell took me down to the lake.
当我去看他时，温德尔带我去了湖边。
You can see it from his front porch.
你可以从他的前廊看到它。
We walked through a field down a little wooden hill.
我们穿过田野，走下一座小木山。
It took two minutes tops.
最多花了两分钟。
How deep is this water that we're looking out?
我们所看到的水有多深？
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
[插话]
This is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 75, 80 feet.
这可能在 75、80 英尺附近的某个地方。
You get on down and it's 85 somewhere.
你下去一看，某处已经是85了。
And you get on down 100 feet in a different location.
然后您向下 100 英尺到达另一个位置。
The strange thing about the lake is that the government put a 300 foot buffer between any developments in the water.
这个湖的奇怪之处在于，政府在水中的任何开发项目之间设置了 300 英尺的缓冲区。
So the shoreline looks pristine.
所以海岸线看起来很原始。
There are no gaudy mansions, no big docks.
没有华丽的豪宅，没有大码头。
It looks completely untouched like this is the way it always was.
它看起来完全没有受到任何影响，就像以前一样。
I feel guilty saying this, but it's a beautiful lake.
这么说我感到内疚，但这是一个美丽的湖。
Oh yes.
哦，是的。
It's pretty.
很漂亮。
Chuck Salter The biggest irony in all of this is Windell fought this.
查克·索尔特（Chuck Salter） 这一切中最大的讽刺是温德尔与之抗争。
He'll tell you it destroyed his way of life.
他会告诉你这毁了他的生活方式。
But it's also made him a wealthy man.
但这也让他成为了一名富有的人。
As the land became less valuable to Windell, it's become incredibly valuable to everybody else.
当这片土地对温德尔来说变得不那么有价值时，它对其他人来说却变得异常有价值。
His little patch of property is now prime lakefront real estate.
他的一小块地产现在是湖滨的黄金地段。
Windell's land is worth more than $600,000 according to the county taxes assessor.
据县税务评估员称，温德尔的土地价值超过 60 万美元。
All around Windell, developers are putting in big, expensive homes and planning gated communities.
在温德尔周围，开发商正在建造大型、昂贵的住宅并规划封闭式社区。
Recently a guy in California called Windell and said I want your land.
最近，加利福尼亚州的一个人打电话给温德尔，说我想要你的土地。
Just name your price.
只需说出您的价格即可。
But the Windell, it doesn't make any sense that anyone thinks this land is worth so much.
但是温德尔，有人认为这块土地值这么多钱，这是没有任何意义的。
All he knows is that he's on land he can't farm.
他只知道自己身处无法耕种的土地上。
There's no room for crops.
没有地方种植庄稼。
At best, he says, he can keeps four cows.
他说，他最多只能养四头牛。
This land has got no value.
这块土地没有任何价值。
I have nothing but red river, hills left.
我什么都没有了，只剩下红河、山丘。
There's really no value.
确实没有任何价值。
It used to wouldn't been worth nothing.
以前它不值钱。
The bottom land and the fields all down below where the covered is what was worth to me.
下面的洼地和田野对我来说是有价值的。
I ask him why he doesn't just sell this land and buy a real farm somewhere else for him and his son.
我问他为什么不直接卖掉这块土地并在其他地方为他和他的儿子购买一个真正的农场。
$600,000, he could have his pick.
60万美元，他可以选择。
Nobody understands, he says.
没有人理解，他说。
Leaving this place would be like deserting his past, his parents and grandparents, the farm he took over when he was just 14 because his father was sick with cancer.
离开这个地方就等于抛弃了他的过去、他的父母和祖父母，以及他在 14 岁时因为父亲患癌症而接管的农场。
Windell still has all the old farm equipment, even though we has no use for most of it.
温德尔仍然拥有所有旧的农场设备，尽管我们大部分都没有用处。
Everything is in its place as if the fields might come back tomorrow and Windell would be ready.
一切都就位了，就好像明天田野就会回来，温德尔也会准备好一样。
About 100 yards from the house that Windell lived in is his parents old house.
距离温德尔居住的房子大约100米处是他父母的老房子。
Walking through it, you'd have no idea that they'd both been dead for more than 30 years.
走过这里，你根本不知道他们已经去世三十多年了。
There's his dad's cigarettes tin, a drawer full of knives that his grandfather used to slaughter hogs, furniture dating back to the 1800s, two antique organs, his parents bed.
这里有他父亲的烟罐、一个装满祖父用来屠宰生猪的刀具的抽屉、可追溯至 1800 年代的家具、两个古董风琴、他父母的床。
This is my mom's favorite chair.
这是我妈妈最喜欢的椅子。
And that's her clothes she had in there.
那是她放在那里的衣服。
It's been in there ever since we lost her.
自从我们失去她以来它就一直在那里。
December 18, 1968, that's when we lost her.
1968 年 12 月 18 日，我们失去了她。
They've been hanging there ever since.
从那时起它们就一直挂在那里。
And they're still in good shape.
而且他们的状态仍然很好。
And why do you hang onto it?
你为什么坚持下去？
Windell Cleveland I just love it.
温德尔克利夫兰我就是喜欢它。
I just love knowing her clothes are in it, her dresses and everything.
我只是喜欢知道她的衣服在里面，她的裙子和所有东西。
These days even though the farm is gone, Windell can still stand on the hill in front of his house with me, and he can point to everything that used to be, where his grandparents lived, where his father was born, and where his father used to take his Model A car across the Savannah River on this ferry to court his mother.
如今，尽管农场已经不复存在，温德尔仍然可以和我一起站在他家门前的山上，他可以指着曾经的一切，他的祖父母居住的地方，他父亲出生的地方，以及他父亲曾经开着他的 A 型汽车乘渡轮穿越萨凡纳河去追求他母亲的地方。
Every time he points though, he's pointing at the lake.
但每次他指的都是湖。
You see where I tell you my uncle lived, that ridge run way on down there probably--
你看我告诉你我叔叔住的地方，那条山脊可能一直延伸到那里——
So today, Windell's living on his daddy's farm, and in the way, I'm doing the same.
所以今天，温德尔住在他爸爸的农场里，我也在做同样的事情。
All those times my dad took me out on his Georgia Rambler trips, I remember being 13 or 14 and meeting some stranger with my dad, being invited into the living room and listening as they opened up and told him some story.
我记得每次我爸爸带我出去参加他的 Georgia Rambler 旅行时，我都记得 13 岁或 14 岁的时候，我和爸爸一起遇见了一些陌生人，被邀请到客厅，听他们敞开心扉，给他讲一些故事。
I remember how amazing it was that one minute we didn't know this person, and then the next we were hearing all these things about their life that they probably didn't tell many people at all.
我记得前一分钟我们还不认识这个人，下一分钟我们就听到了他们生活中的所有这些事情，而他们可能根本没有告诉很多人，这是多么令人惊奇。
I know my dad took me on those trips to show me small town life, where he grew up, where my family was from.
我知道我父亲带我去这些旅行是为了向我展示小镇生活，他长大的地方，我的家人来自哪里。
But what I took from them was a lesson he never intended, I decided to become a reporter.
但我从他们身上得到的却是他无意的教训，我决定成为一名记者。
I write for magazines.
我为杂志撰稿。
I've written for newspapers, just like my dad.
我和我父亲一样为报纸撰稿。
That's where I live now.
那就是我现在住的地方。
Our program was produce today by Jane Feltes and me with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Sarah Koenig, Johnathon Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, Nancy Updike, senior producer Julie Snyder, Seth Lind is our production manager Emily Condon is our office manager, production help from Sean Wenn.
今天我们的节目由 Jane Feltes 和我与 Alex Blumberg、Ben Calhoun、Sarah Koenig、Johnathon Menjivar、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp、Nancy Updike、高级制作人 Julie Snyder 一起制作，Seth Lind 是我们的制作经理 Emily Condon 是我们的办公室经理，Sean Wenn 提供制作帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Dave Kestenbaum, who you heard tracking down FDR's Georgia history can be heard with his Planet Money colleagues on their twice-weekly podcast in co-production with our show, www.npr.org/money.
[致谢]戴夫·凯斯滕鲍姆 (Dave Kestenbaum)，您可以在与我们的节目共同制作的每周两次的播客中与他的《金钱星球》同事一起聆听他追踪罗斯福乔治亚州的历史，www.npr.org/money。
Our website is thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站是 thisamericanlife.org。
You can sign up for our free weekly podcast.
您可以注册我们的免费每周播客。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for a program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia who remembers the time, it was a while back, when his wife took him to this private swimming pool with Frank Gorshen and Jack Nicholson.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对 WBEZ 的一个项目进行了管理监督，他记得不久前，他的妻子带他与 Frank Gorshen 和 Jack Nicholson 一起去了这个私人游泳池。
And I look, and like right in my face she's got them jokers just strung out there.
我一看，就在我面前，她把那些小丑串起来了。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories on This American Life .
我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），下周回来，带来更多关于《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。