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Prologue Ira Glass Probably the strangest thing about the K&R business-- K&R, that's Kidnap and Ransom-- is that it's a business at all, that there are enough kidnappings in the world that a whole industry issues kidnap insurance and there's responders who will help your family through the kidnapping and ransom process.
序言 Ira Glass 也许 K&R 业务（K&R，即绑架和赎金）最奇怪的事情是，它根本就是一项业务，世界上有足够多的绑架事件，整个行业都会发行绑架保险，并且会有响应人员帮助您的家人完成绑架和赎金过程。
And it's also workaday, like any other business.
与任何其他业务一样，这也是日常工作。
My name is Daniel Johnson.
我的名字是丹尼尔·约翰逊。
I oversee Kidnap Response operations for a company called ASI Global.
我负责监督一家名为 ASI Global 的公司的绑架响应行动。
We do a lot of prevention work, which is training of Americans or executives.
我们做了很多预防工作，就是对美国人或者高管进行培训。
ASI Global is one of the big American companies in the K&R business.
ASI Global 是 K&R 业务领域的美国大公司之一。
And perhaps this just comes with the job, but Daniel Johnson is capable of a kind of understatement that's sort of breathtaking.
也许这只是工作带来的，但丹尼尔·约翰逊有能力轻描淡写，令人叹为观止。
For instance, he was telling me how K&R insurance works.
例如，他告诉我 K&R 保险是如何运作的。
So if you were to have a Kidnap Response policy with traveler's insurance and something goes bump in the night, it's our company that gets that call.
因此，如果您购买了带有旅行者保险的绑架应对政策，而夜间发生意外，我们公司就会接到电话。
By bump in the night, Dan means what you or I might call a violent, life-threatening, life-changing abduction.
丹所说的“夜间袭击”是指你或我所说的暴力、威胁生命、改变生活的绑架。
See?
看？
Understatement.
轻描淡写。
Another interesting fact about kidnapping insurance with this company-- one condition of having the policy is that you don't tell anybody you have the policy.
关于这家公司的绑架保险的另一个有趣的事实是，拥有该保单的一个条件是您不要告诉任何人您拥有该保单。
It's like the first rule of Fight Club.
这就像搏击俱乐部的第一条规则。
OK, so let's say that I'm thinking about moving my radio show to a country where there are lots of kidnappings.
好吧，假设我正在考虑将我的广播节目转移到一个经常发生绑架的国家。
You consult with people who are moving to those areas about what to do if you are kidnapped.
您向搬到这些地区的人咨询如果您被绑架该怎么办。
If I'm kidnapped, give me advice.
如果我被绑架了，请给我建议。
What should I do?
我应该怎么办？
Well, most of the advice is going to be somewhat region or geographic specific.
嗯，大多数建议都是针对特定地区或地理的。
Some of the steps that we'd recommend for Mexico are obviously not the same steps you'd recommend for the Middle East or even Nigeria.
我们为墨西哥建议的一些步骤显然与您为中东甚至尼日利亚建议的步骤不同。
Because of the Catholic culture in Mexico, we do recommend that the victims personalize themselves.
由于墨西哥的天主教文化，我们确实建议受害者个性化自己。
Ask for a Bible.
索要一本圣经。
In the Mideast, he says, don't do this or talk about religion.
他说，在中东，不要这样做或谈论宗教。
But in Mexico, where there are lots of kidnappings these days--
但在墨西哥，如今绑架事件频发——
It helps personalize you as some-- it's a basis of relation between you and the abductors.
它有助于将你个性化——这是你和绑架者之间关系的基础。
And it's to my advantage if they see me as a person, why?
如果他们将我视为一个人，这对我有利，为什么？
Contrary to popular belief and some of the myths, kidnappers, in most cases, don't wantonly, with no reason whatsoever, go in and abuse the victims.
与普遍看法和一些神话相反，在大多数情况下，绑匪不会毫无理由地肆意闯入并虐待受害者。
Unfortunately, it does happen in some instances.
不幸的是，在某些情况下确实会发生这种情况。
Well, the more personal you are to them, the more that they can relate to you, the less likely that's going to happen, the better care that they're going to give.
嗯，你对他们越个人化，他们与你的联系就越多，发生这种情况的可能性就越小，他们就会给予更好的照顾。
The other advantage of a Bible, Dan says, is that you might be captive for a long time.
丹说，圣经的另一个优点是你可能会被囚禁很长一段时间。
And one of the big problems in that situation is it's really, really boring.
在这种情况下，最大的问题之一就是它真的非常非常无聊。
People get depressed.
人们会变得沮丧。
They stop taking care of themselves.
他们不再照顾自己。
Some of them think about suicide.
他们中的一些人考虑自杀。
So it's important to keep your mind active, to create a routine of things that you do every day, not to sleep all day, which lots of people end up doing.
因此，重要的是要保持思维活跃，制定每天要做的事情，而不是整天睡觉，而很多人最终都会这样做。
And if you have a Bible, you can read, which is huge.
如果你有一本圣经，你就可以阅读，这是巨大的。
Other tips-- eat what they give you because it's probably the same food that they're eating.
其他建议——吃他们给你的东西，因为这可能和他们吃的食物是一样的。
Drink the water.
喝水。
Don't try to escape.
不要试图逃跑。
Don't look your captors in the eye.
不要直视绑架者的眼睛。
Sometimes it's viewed as being confrontational with the captors.
有时它被视为与绑架者对抗。
And you want to be somewhat non-confrontational.
而且你希望保持一定程度的非对抗性。
Are there counterintuitive things that you tell people to do?
您是否要求人们做违反直觉的事情？
Yes.
是的。
Some of the recommendations we give are counterintuitive.
我们给出的一些建议是违反直觉的。
For example, most kidnap victims-- or not most, but many kidnap victims, when they are first captured, feel that their life is in danger so they need to negotiate for themselves.
例如，大多数绑架受害者——或者不是大多数，但很多绑架受害者在第一次被抓获时，都感到自己的生命处于危险之中，因此需要为自己进行谈判。
So what they start to do is they start talking about my company made $10 million last year and I'm a senior manager with my company.
所以他们开始做的是他们开始谈论我的公司去年赚了 1000 万美元，而我是我公司的高级经理。
And my wife has a half million dollars in a 401K.
我的妻子在 401K 中拥有 50 万美元。
That doesn't help the negotiation process.
这对谈判进程没有帮助。
That raises the expectations of the kidnappers, so what we typically recommend is you don't have financial conversations at all with your captors.
这会提高绑匪的期望，因此我们通常建议您不要与绑匪进行任何财务对话。
But that's hard to do, he says.
但这很难做到，他说。
Your instinct is that you want to trade away everything just to get your life back.
你的本能是你想用一切换取生命。
You'll do anything.
你会做任何事。
But you have to understand, if it's a kidnapping for ransom-- and one sign of that is that you're still alive-- that's like a business deal, and they need you alive to make their money.
但你必须明白，如果这是一次绑架勒索——而其中一个迹象就是你还活着——那就像是一笔生意，他们需要你活着来赚钱。
And usually, Dan says, you're going to get out.
丹说，通常情况下，你都会出去。
It's just a matter of coming to a price.
这只是一个价格问题。
You have to remember that.
你必须记住这一点。
And you have to remember that your role in that business deal is to be the hostage, to do what you need to do to survive, to avoid panic.
你必须记住，你在这笔生意中的角色是成为人质，做你需要做的事情来生存，避免恐慌。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这是《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our radio show, Held Hostage.
今天我们的广播节目《劫持人质》。
We have three stories for you of people who are forced by circumstance to be the hostage and how they cope with what that means.
我们为您准备了三个故事，讲述那些被迫成为人质的人，以及他们如何应对这意味着什么。
We're going to begin with people held in the traditional way, nabbed and taken to the jungle.
我们将从以传统方式关押的人开始，将其抓获并带到丛林。
But we also have people in our show who are taken hostage in much less literal ways.
但我们的节目中也有人以不那么真实的方式被劫持为人质。
One man can't get out from under the thumb of one of his neighbors.
一个人无法摆脱一位邻居的控制。
And we have a man held hostage by love, and I know that sounds really corny, but believe me, it is not what you think.
我们有一个被爱情绑架的男人，我知道这听起来很老套，但相信我，这不是你想的那样。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One: Captive Audience Ira Glass Act One, Captive Audience.
第一幕：俘虏观众 艾拉·格拉斯 第一幕，俘虏观众。
So today's episode is a rerun from 2010.
所以今天的剧集是 2010 年的重播。
And at that time, nearly a decade ago, there was so much kidnapping going on in Colombia, that the country's biggest radio station had a program that was specifically for kidnapping victims.
当时，大约十年前，哥伦比亚发生了如此多的绑架事件，该国最大的广播电台有一个专门针对绑架受害者的节目。
Like, it was targeted to them as an audience.
就像，它是针对他们作为观众的。
And this was not the only show like this.
这并不是唯一的这样的节目。
There were several other shows like this on smaller stations, again, whose audience was kidnapping victims around the country.
在较小的电视台上还有其他几个类似的节目，这些节目的观众正在全国各地绑架受害者。
Annie Correal is originally from Bogota, Colombia.
安妮·科雷尔 (Annie Correal) 来自哥伦比亚波哥大。
And she went to the biggest radio station and visited the program.
她还去了最大的广播电台，参观了节目。
The show is called Voces del Secuestro-- Voices of Kidnapping-- and it's been on the big national station in Colombia, Caracol, since 1994.
该节目名为 Voces del Secuestro（绑架之声），自 1994 年以来一直在哥伦比亚卡拉科尔国家大型电视台播出。
Starting at midnight every Saturday and running until 6:00 AM, hundreds of people call in to send messages to their kidnapped relatives.
从每周六午夜开始，一直持续到凌晨 6:00，数百人打电话给被绑架的亲人发消息。
And in secret camps all through the jungle, prisoners, and sometimes even their guards, tune in to listen.
在丛林各处的秘密营地中，囚犯，有时甚至是他们的看守，都会收听。
The host kicks off the show welcoming all the hostages in the jungles of Colombia.
主持人在节目开始时欢迎哥伦比亚丛林中的所有人质。
Most families call in with their messages.
大多数家庭都会打电话来传达他们的信息。
But some people actually come into the station like Viviana.
但有些人确实像薇薇安娜一样来到了车站。
Her dad, Edgar Yasid Duarte, is a police commander who was kidnapped in 1998 and still hasn't come home.
她的父亲埃德加·亚西德·杜阿尔特 (Edgar Yasid Duarte) 是一名警察指挥官，于 1998 年被绑架，至今仍未回家。
Tomorrow is Viviana's 13th birthday, and rather than run the risk of not getting on the air, she and her mom are spending the night at the radio station.
明天是 Viviana 的 13 岁生日，为了避免冒着无法上台的风险，她和妈妈决定在广播电台过夜。
A dozen interns man flashing phone banks, lining up the callers from around the country who will send out their messages tonight.
十几名实习生正在闪烁电话银行，为来自全国各地的来电者排队，他们将在今晚发送信息。
170 will make it on the air.
170 将会播出。
Woman 4 [SPEAKING SPANISH]
女人 4 [说西班牙语]
Annie Correal Viviana is in a pink hoodie, drinking little cups of coffee from the vending machine to stay awake.
安妮·科雷尔·维维安娜 (Annie Correal Viviana) 身穿粉色连帽衫，喝着自动售货机里的小杯咖啡以保持清醒。
She always sends a message to mark her birthday.
她总是发一条信息来纪念她的生日。
It's 5:00 in the morning when she finally gets on the air.
当她终于开始广播时，已经是凌晨 5:00 了。
She says her birthday's an important day in their lives, and she just knows he's going to be there, that they're going to free him this year so he won't miss any more special dates.
她说她的生日是他们生命中重要的一天，她只知道他会在那里，他们今年会释放他，这样他就不会错过任何特别的日子。
She says she celebrated with her friends by going to a shopping mall and to the movies and to get ice cream.
她说她和朋友们一起去购物中心、看电影和买冰淇淋来庆祝。
She tells him she loves him, and she sends him a blessing.
她告诉他她爱他，并送上祝福。
I know how she feels.
我知道她的感受。
When I was 19, my dad was kidnapped by the FARC, the same rebel group that kidnapped Viviana's dad.
当我 19 岁的时候，我的父亲被哥伦比亚革命武装力量绑架，这个反叛组织也绑架了维维安娜的父亲。
The FARC is an army of leftist guerrillas that kidnaps people for political reasons, but also civilians like my dad, for money.
哥伦比亚革命武装力量是一支由左翼游击队组成的军队，他们出于政治原因绑架人民，但也为了金钱而绑架像我父亲这样的平民。
My dad, Jaime Correal, was kidnapped on his way home from work in 1999.
1999 年，我的父亲 Jaime Correal 在下班回家的路上被绑架。
There was a guy on a motorcycle back there.
后面有一个人骑着摩托车。
But I didn't think anything of it.
但我并没有多想什么。
I didn't notice I was being followed.
我没有注意到我被跟踪了。
This year when I went back to Colombia, my dad and I drove through a park, up a winding, isolated road to the spot on the highway where it happened.
今年，当我回到哥伦比亚时，我和爸爸开车穿过一个公园，沿着一条蜿蜒、偏僻的道路到达高速公路上的事发地点。
And right where I'm standing, the guy came from behind that pole, and he came with a gun up, was screaming, "Police, police." I tried to get into the traffic, and I couldn't get in because it was bumper to bumper.
就在我站的地方，那个人从杆子后面走了出来，他举着枪，尖叫着，“警察，警察。”我试图进入车流，但我无法进入，因为车流拥挤不堪。
And that's when they hit the window, and they pulled me out, and they threw me in the backseat with two guys with a weapon.
就在那时，他们撞到了窗户，把我拉了出来，然后把我和两个拿着武器的人扔到后座上。
Back then, Colombia was the kidnapping capital of the world.
当时，哥伦比亚是世界绑架之都。
At the peak of the kidnapping craze, there were around 3,000 people kidnapped a year.
在绑架热潮最高峰时，每年约有3000人被绑架。
That's like eight people a day.
相当于一天八个人。
Carjackings happen in Bogota all the time and in plain view, like my dad's.
波哥大的劫车事件时常发生，而且很明显，就像我父亲的劫车事件一样。
You know, I had in my mind that it was not so close to the road, but it's right there.
你知道，我心里认为它离路不是那么近，但它就在那里。
Is that the first time you've been back to that spot?
这是你第一次回到那个地方吗？
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Yep.
是的。
Annie Correal As we sat in the spot where it happened, he said if he had taken a left, it would have taken him 20 minutes to get home.
当我们坐在事发地点时，安妮·科雷尔 (Annie Correal) 说，如果他左转，他需要 20 分钟才能到家。
Instead it took me eight and a half months, 265 days.
相反，我花了八个半月，265 天。
While my dad was kidnapped, I was in college in the States.
当我父亲被绑架时，我正在美国上大学。
But my stepmom Sammy used to call into the radio show, Voices of Kidnapping, to try to reach him.
但我的继母萨米常常打电话到广播节目“绑架之声”来试图联系他。
Six months in, when the guerrillas arranged a phone call with my dad, she learned to her amazement that some of our messages actually got through.
六个月后，当游击队安排与我父亲通电话时，她惊讶地发现我们的一些信息实际上已经通过了。
My dad had had a radio and had listened for us obsessively.
我父亲有一台收音机，他痴迷地听我们说话。
It was a black machine.
那是一台黑色机器。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It wasn't a brand name that everybody knows.
这不是每个人都知道的品牌名称。
It was something like cauliflower, OK?
就像花椰菜一样，好吗？
I mean, it was as valuable as my cigarettes, OK?
我的意思是，它和我的香烟一样有价值，好吗？
And something I would wrap really well with my clothes in a plastic bag so they wouldn't get wet.
我会把一些东西和我的衣服一起装在塑料袋里，这样它们就不会被弄湿。
And reception was very bad.
接待情况很差。
We were in the deep jungle, so we learned from the guerrillas how to make antennas.
我们在丛林深处，所以我们向游击队学习如何制作天线。
We would steal the Brillo pad, the used ones, when we went by the kitchen.
当我们经过厨房时，我们会偷走布里洛垫，用过的垫。
The Brillo pad, you untangle it, and you make a big line of wire.
Brillo 垫，你把它解开，就可以做成一条大线。
You get a stone, wrap it up in one of the ends, and you throw it up into the trees.
你拿一块石头，把它包在一端，然后把它扔到树上。
That helped tremendously.
这很有帮助。
A guard snuck the radio to my dad.
一名警卫把收音机偷偷交给了我爸爸。
They're not officially allowed, but the FARC lets prisoners listen because it keeps up morale.
他们没有得到官方允许，但哥伦比亚革命武装力量允许囚犯倾听，因为这样可以保持士气。
It keeps them from killing themselves, and it keeps them marching.
它可以防止他们自杀，也可以让他们继续前进。
My dad was moved 37 times during his captivity.
我父亲在被囚禁期间被感动了 37 次。
The radio meant everything to him because for the first six months that he was held captive by the FARC, my dad was held alone, completely alone.
收音机对他来说意味着一切，因为在他被哥伦比亚革命武装力量俘虏的头六个月里，我父亲独自一人被关押，完全孤独。
The radio was his only companion.
收音机是他唯一的伴侣。
It's really an exercise of patience to be awake for 12 hours, 13 hours, and not being able to do anything.
连续12个小时、13个小时都醒着，却什么也做不了，这真是对耐心的锻炼。
You can do anything.
你可以做任何事。
Sometimes you see all those movies.
有时你会看到所有这些电影。
Like, Rambo just exercises when he's in jail.
就像兰博在监狱里的时候就只是锻炼身体。
And you say, well, I'm going to start exercising, and you exercise, but you get bored.
你说，好吧，我要开始锻炼，你锻炼了，但你感到无聊。
You start getting in shape, let me tell you.
让我告诉你，你开始变得健康了。
But mentally, you feel you're wasting your time.
但从心理上来说，你觉得自己在浪费时间。
I was by myself between November that I was kidnapped until May 26.
从 11 月被绑架到 5 月 26 日，我一直独自一人。
I could talk to the guards very little.
我很少能和警卫说话。
They're not supposed to talk to you.
他们不应该和你说话。
But then at night, then you rewind your whole life.
但到了晚上，你的整个生活就会倒转。
How was that?
怎么样？
Jaime Correal That was scary.
海梅·科雷尔 这太可怕了。
Because you start judging yourself.
因为你开始评判自己。
Mostly what comes to mind is what you think you did wrong-- wrong decisions that could have made a difference in your life.
大多数时候，你想到的是你认为自己做错了什么——错误的决定可能会改变你的生活。
But it's being alone with all those ghosts.
但它是与所有这些鬼魂单独相处。
So when he first heard my stepmom, Sammy, talking to him over the radio, it was like a miracle.
因此，当他第一次听到我的继母萨米通过无线电与他交谈时，这就像一个奇迹。
You know, it was like 6:20 in the morning.
你知道，那是早上 6 点 20 分左右。
I was laying in bed with my radio.
我躺在床上，手里拿着收音机。
It said, "This is a message for Jaime Correal." I mean, my heart stopped.
上面写着：“这是给杰米·科雷亚尔的信息。”我的意思是，我的心脏停止了跳动。
I said, "Wow." She said, "Your kids are fine.
我说：“哇。”她说：“你的孩子们都很好。
Hold up.
坚持住。
Pray." You know, all the encouraging words they can give you.
祈祷吧。”你知道，他们可以给你所有鼓励的话。
So from now on, that was my lifeline.
所以从现在开始，这就是我的生命线。
My dad would stay up all night listening to the show every week.
我爸爸每周都会熬夜听这个节目。
A lot of times, you lose to the station because actually, you're always deep in the jungle, and there's a lot of clouds.
很多时候，你输给车站是因为实际上，你总是在丛林深处，而且有很多云。
And then you just go very softly trying to locate it again.
然后你就轻轻地尝试再次找到它。
And then you don't want to move the radio, so you end up in these awkward positions and just listening.
然后你不想移动收音机，所以你最终会处于这些尴尬的位置，只是在听。
When they call your name, when they mention your name, your heart always pounds.
当他们叫你的名字时，当他们提到你的名字时，你的心总是会剧烈跳动。
This is a radio message from my family recorded 10 years ago when my dad was held captive.
这是 10 年前我父亲被囚禁时录制的来自我家人的广播信息。
My stepmom made this tape to send to the radio station, hoping he would hear it, wherever he was.
我的继母制作了这盘磁带并发送给广播电台，希望他无论身在何处都能听到。
In real life, she was struggling to hold it together, losing weight, dark circles under her eyes.
在现实生活中，她正在努力维持下去，体重减轻，黑眼圈也出现了。
But on the tape, she makes a point to be cheerful.
但在录音中，她强调要保持乐观。
She calls him by his nickname, Lumpy.
她用他的昵称“Lumpy”称呼他。
My Lumpy, [SPEAKING SPANISH] [MUSIC - SHANIA TWAIN, "FROM THIS MOMENT ON"]
我的 Lumpy，[西班牙语] [音乐 - 仙妮亚·吐温，“从这一刻起”]
Annie Correal She chose one of her favorite love songs to mix with the radio message.
Annie Correal 她选择了一首她最喜欢的情歌与广播信息混合在一起。
She says every time she hears it, she thinks of him intensely.
她说，每次听到这个消息，她都会强烈地想起他。
She asks if he can imagine how much they're going to enjoy making up for lost time.
她问他是否能想象他们会多么享受弥补失去的时间。
Then she introduces my little sister.
然后她介绍了我的妹妹。
My little sister says she hopes he comes back soon safe and sound and that he'll be very, very, very hungry because they'll have his favorite-- eggs and sausage-- waiting for him.
我的小妹妹说她希望他能尽快平安归来，而且他会非常非常饿，因为他们会有他最喜欢的鸡蛋和香肠等着他。
Then my brother comes on.
然后我弟弟就上场了。
He says he's the goalie on the school soccer team and he's blocked a lot of shots.
他说他是学校足球队的守门员，他封盖了很多射门。
Then he says he loves him and misses him.
然后他说他爱他并想念他。
My stepmom says that she's waiting for him, that she'll always wait for him and he's the love of her life.
我的继母说她在等他，她会永远等他，他是她一生的挚爱。
And she can't wait to pick up where they left off in November.
她迫不及待地想继续他们十一月份停下来的地方。
I love you.
我爱你。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] [KISS] Ciao, ciao!
[说西班牙语] [亲吻] 再见，再见！
[SPEAKING SPANISH]
[说西班牙语]
Annie Correal The families on Voices of Kidnapping are coached not to say anything negative or cry, so there tends to be a lot of talk of holiday parties and kids' grades at school, weddings, new babies in the family.
安妮·科瑞尔 《绑架之声》中的家庭被教导不要说任何消极的话或哭泣，所以往往会谈论很多节日聚会、孩子在学校的成绩、婚礼、家里的新生儿。
These days, the number of new kidnappings in Colombia is way down.
如今，哥伦比亚新发生的绑架案数量大幅下降。
There are just a few hundred a year.
一年只有几百个。
And that's a good thing.
这是一件好事。
But it conceals something basic.
但它掩盖了一些基本的东西。
The fact is that thousands of people who are kidnapped never came back.
事实是，数千名被绑架的人再也没有回来。
There are thousands of families who are still waiting for their relatives to be released, like Viviana, the girl who was celebrating her 13th birthday at the radio station.
成千上万的家庭仍在等待亲人被释放，比如在广播电台庆祝 13 岁生日的女孩维维安娜 (Viviana)。
Viviana's dad has been gone for 11 years, almost her entire life.
Viviana 的父亲已经去世 11 年了，几乎是她的一生。
He's part of a small group of political prisoners that the FARC won't free unless the government agrees to a prisoner exchange.
他是一小群政治犯中的一员，除非政府同意交换囚犯，否则哥伦比亚革命武装力量不会释放这些政治犯。
So there's nothing the family can do but wait.
所以一家人除了等待也没有什么办法。
Everything Viviana knows about her dad fits easily on top of a coffee table.
薇薇安娜所知道的关于她父亲的一切都可以轻松地放在咖啡桌上。
There's a pile of notebooks filled with his colored pencil drawings, the rusted aviator glasses he was wearing when he was kidnapped, and a few photographs and videos the FARC has sent as proof he is alive.
一堆笔记本上写满了他的彩色铅笔画、他被绑架时戴着的生锈的飞行员眼镜，以及哥伦比亚革命武装力量寄来的一些照片和视频，作为他还活着的证据。
Vienna was so young when her dad was kidnapped, that her only images of him come from these photos and videos.
当她的父亲被绑架时，维也纳还很小，她对父亲的唯一印象来自于这些照片和视频。
She says that he's in the jungle, but it's impossible to know where because he's posed against a sheet.
她说他在丛林里，但不可能知道在哪里，因为他靠着一张床单摆姿势。
I remember getting one of those pictures.
我记得我得到了其中一张照片。
They call it a [SPEAKING SPANISH] a proof of life.
他们称其为[说西班牙语]生命的证明。
It's like seeing something from another world-- my dad next to a tree in sweatpants and a peasant sweater.
这就像看到了来自另一个世界的东西——我的父亲穿着运动裤和农民毛衣站在一棵树旁边。
My dad is a prisoner.
我的父亲是一名囚犯。
I asked Viviana what her dad looked like in those proofs of life.
我问维维安娜，她的父亲在那些生命证明中是什么样子的。
She says in the older photos, he used to look normal, chubby.
她说，在旧照片中，他以前看起来很正常，胖乎乎的。
But in the recent videos, he's looking thin and he's going bald.
但在最近的视频中，他看起来很瘦，而且已经秃顶了。
She says that's hard because he used to look stronger.
她说这很难，因为他过去看起来更坚强。
She says she thinks to herself, no, why is he like that?
她说她心里想，不对，他为什么会这样？
Life is hard, she says.
生活很艰难，她说。
To cope, Viviana still talks to her dad, and not just over the radio.
为了应对这种情况，薇薇安娜仍然与她的父亲交谈，而不仅仅是通过收音机。
She says it's not that she feels he's here.
她说她并不是觉得他在这里。
She says she talks to him in her head.
她说她在心里和他说话。
I talked to my dad in my head, too.
我也在心里和爸爸说话。
I consulted him about what to major in, and I asked for his help at exam time.
我向他咨询了要学什么专业，并在考试时寻求他的帮助。
When my mood would plummet, I would think it was somehow connected to what he was going through.
当我的情绪急剧下降时，我会认为这与他正在经历的事情有某种联系。
And in the worst moments, when I wouldn't feel his presence, I'd look outside and say, if he's alive, let there be a sign in the next 60 seconds.
在最糟糕的时刻，当我感觉不到他的存在时，我会看着外面说，如果他还活着，让在接下来的 60 秒内出现一个迹象。
And I'd count down.
我会倒数。
And inevitably, a dog would bark, or a street light would turn on.
不可避免地，狗会吠叫，或者路灯会亮起。
It's like sending the radio messages.
这就像发送无线电消息一样。
You send these little telepathic messages, you concentrate, and you start to believe someone is out there, listening.
你发送这些小小的心灵感应信息，你集中注意力，你开始相信有人在那里，在倾听。
I've met families who haven't had a proof of life for five years or a decade.
我遇到过五年或十年都没有生命证明的家庭。
Their loved ones are probably dead, but they act like they're not.
他们所爱的人可能已经死了，但他们表现得好像没有死一样。
They send out messages to them week after week, hoping that they're out there in the dark, holding a radio.
他们一周又一周地向他们发送信息，希望他们在黑暗中拿着收音机。
Annie Correal, she's a staff reporter for The New York Times.
安妮·科瑞尔 (Annie Correal)，她是《纽约时报》的特约记者。
You sometimes hear her on the podcast, The Daily.
有时你会在播客《每日报》上听到她的声音。
She originally produced a version of this show with Jay Allison for transom.org.
她最初与 Jay Allison 为 transom.org 制作了该节目的一个版本。
I have to say, a lot has changed since we first aired this story in 2010.
我不得不说，自从我们 2010 年首次播出这个故事以来，发生了很多变化。
Annie's dad was rescued by the Colombian military, along with five other hostages, in August 2000.
2000 年 8 月，安妮的父亲和其他五名人质被哥伦比亚军方救出。
The family moved to Panama, which is where her dad, Jaime Correal, died in 2016 after a short illness.
全家搬到了巴拿马，她的父亲 Jaime Correal 于 2016 年在短暂患病后去世。
He was 63.
他 63 岁了。
That girl who Annie interviewed, Viviana-- her dad, Edgar Yasid Duarte, was killed by the FARC during a failed rescue attempt in 2011.
安妮采访的那个女孩维维安娜（Viviana）——她的父亲埃德加·亚西德·杜阿尔特（Edgar Yasid Duarte）在 2011 年一次失败的营救行动中被哥伦比亚革命武装力量杀害。
He'd been held captive for 13 years.
他已经被囚禁了13年。
Viviana is in college now studying international relations.
薇薇安娜正在大学学习国际关系。
The FARC disbanded in 2016 as part of a peace deal with the Colombian government.
作为与哥伦比亚政府和平协议的一部分，哥伦比亚革命武装力量于 2016 年解散。
After that, the radio show Voces del Secuestro came to an end.
此后，广播节目“Voces del Secuestro”结束。
Its final episode was in 2018.
它的最后一集是在 2018 年。
Similar programs with messages for hostages also ended.
向人质传达信息的类似节目也结束了。
Coming up, taken hostage by somebody whose only weapon is paperwork.
即将到来，被一个唯一武器就是文书的人扣为人质。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
Act Two: Misdeeds Ira Glass It's This American Life.
第二幕：恶行 艾拉·格拉斯 这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our show, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show, Held Hostage.
今天的节目，扣押人质。
In this second half of our program, we move to people who get held hostage without a gun, or a knife, or any kind of traditional captor, and then they have to figure out what to do.
在我们节目的后半部分，我们转向那些在没有枪、刀或任何传统绑架者的情况下被扣为人质的人，然后他们必须弄清楚该怎么做。
We have arrived at Act Two of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, Misdeeds.
第二幕，恶行。
This is a kind of classic story of people who are not looking for trouble, and then the trouble came looking for them.
这是一个经典的故事，人们不找麻烦，然后麻烦就来找他们了。
Wayne Curtis tells the story.
韦恩·柯蒂斯讲述了这个故事。
11 years ago, Tracy Poydras and her husband, Oscar, were living in New Orleans.
11 年前，特蕾西·波德拉斯 (Tracy Poydras) 和她的丈夫奥斯卡 (Oscar) 住在新奥尔良。
Tracy was a nurse in her late 20s.
特雷西是一名二十多岁的护士。
Her husband ran a nightclub in the city.
她的丈夫在城里经营一家夜总会。
They were planning for their future, and they decided to invest in a house.
他们正在规划自己的未来，决定投资一套房子。
They checked out a city program that seizes blighted properties and sells them cheap, and they found a rundown duplex in a decent neighborhood.
他们检查了一个城市计划，该计划没收了破烂的房产并低价出售，他们在一个体面的社区找到了一套破旧的复式公寓。
It was basically just a shell with four walls and a roof and not much of a floor, and they spent something like $50,000 or $60,000 fixing it up.
它基本上只是一个有四壁和一个屋顶的外壳，没有太多地板，他们花了大约 50,000 或 60,000 美元来修复它。
For a while, they lived in one unit and rented out the other.
有一段时间，他们住在一个单位，而出租另一个单位。
Then they moved out and rented both.
然后他们搬出去并租了两间。
The whole process went just as they'd hoped, until 2003, when, pretty much out of the blue, Tracy Poydras got a call from her tenants.
整个过程正如他们所希望的那样进行，直到 2003 年，特雷西·波德拉斯 (Tracy Poydras) 几乎出乎意料地接到了她的房客打来的电话。
They get eviction notices on the upstairs portion and the down.
他们在楼上和楼下收到驱逐通知。
And they're calling us, hysterical.
他们在呼唤我们，歇斯底里。
And they're like, what is going on?
他们会想，发生了什么事？
We've paid our rent.
我们已经付房租了。
I mean, do we have some kind of problem?
我的意思是，我们有什么问题吗？
I mean, I didn't think we had a problem.
我的意思是，我不认为我们有问题。
The eviction papers have been filed by a person who used to own the building, a guy named Nathaniel Dowl.
驱逐文件是由曾经拥有这栋大楼的人提交的，他名叫纳撒尼尔·道尔(Nathaniel Dowl)。
Tracy figured it was a misunderstanding of some sort, that Dowl was probably just confused and didn't understand that the city had seized his property and sold it to somebody new.
特雷西认为这是某种误解，道尔可能只是感到困惑，不明白市政府没收了他的财产并将其卖给了新人。
Whatever it was, she was sure a simple explanation would clear things up with Mr. Dowl.
不管是什么，她确信一个简单的解释就能和道尔先生澄清问题。
She was wrong.
她错了。
And pretty soon, Tracy and her husband found themselves in court and, for the first time, came face-to-face with Dowl and his wife, Barbara.
很快，特雷西和她的丈夫就出庭了，第一次与道尔和他的妻子芭芭拉面对面。
I don't know if they had just flown in from a Jamaican retreat or what, but Ms. Dowl had on a tie-dye shirt and jeans, just clearly not dressed for business, not dressed for court.
我不知道他们是刚从牙买加的度假胜地飞来还是什么，但道尔女士穿着扎染衬衫和牛仔裤，显然不是商务着装，也不是法庭着装。
And Mr. Dowl was reeking of marijuana.
道尔先生浑身散发着大麻的臭味。
Reeking.
恶臭。
Just to have the nerve to come in there like that, I just knew that something wasn't right, you know?
只是有勇气像这样进来，我就知道有些事情不对劲，你知道吗？
Something was definitely not right.
肯定有什么地方不对劲。
After a long day in court, the judge asked the Dowls for proof that they owned the building.
在法庭上度过漫长的一天后，法官要求道尔斯夫妇提供他们拥有该建筑的证据。
The Dowls couldn't come up with any.
道尔夫妇想不出任何办法。
The judge stopped the eviction.
法官停止了驱逐。
And for a while at least, everything was OK.
至少有一段时间，一切都还好。
A year went by.
一年过去了。
Life returned to normal.
生活恢复正常。
Then Hurricane Katrina hit, and the levees failed.
然后卡特里娜飓风袭来，堤坝溃堤。
The house the Poydras's had fixed up was now in shambles.
波伊德拉斯夫妇修好的房子现在已是一片废墟。
Flooding destroyed the first floor, and the wind ripped off the roof.
洪水摧毁了一楼，风刮掉了屋顶。
Tracy and her husband hired contractors to start fixing up the place all over again.
特雷西和她的丈夫聘请了承包商重新开始修缮这个地方。
But then, not long after, the contractor said weird things started happening around the site.
但不久之后，承包商表示工地周围开始发生奇怪的事情。
Well, and they would notice that a hammer would be missing.
好吧，他们会注意到缺少一把锤子。
And then maybe the next day, the hammer would come back.
然后也许第二天，锤子就会回来。
I mean, just like anything like a crazy Lifetime Movie, just all kind of stuff.
我的意思是，就像一部疯狂的终生电影一样，各种各样的东西。
And then one day, someone with no rhyme or reason, just someone with, like, schizophrenia kind of had tape just all over the place, just, like, yellow caution tape.
然后有一天，一个没有韵律或理由的人，只是一个患有精神分裂症的人，到处都贴着胶带，就像黄色警示胶带一样。
It was just everywhere.
它无处不在。
And they were like, you got to find out what's really going on here.
他们说，你必须弄清楚这里到底发生了什么。
So the next couple of days, I went into New Orleans to try to see if maybe the code enforcement or somebody like that had something to do with it.
所以接下来的几天，我去了新奥尔良，试图看看是否是法规执行或类似的人与此有关。
So then when I went in to the real estate-- I forget which office it's called, but they're the ones that handle the evictions.
所以当我走进房地产时——我忘记了它叫哪个办公室，但他们是负责处理驱逐的人。
And I told them my name and my property address, and they were, like, sighing.
我告诉他们我的名字和我的房产地址，他们就像叹了口气。
They were like, oh goodness.
他们就像，哦天哪。
Go cross-reference your name.
去交叉引用你的名字。
Tracy didn't know it just then, but she had company and plenty of it.
特蕾西当时并不知道，但她有同伴，而且有很多。
Other people across the city were finding that weird things were happening, both with their properties and with the paperwork behind their properties.
城里的其他人发现奇怪的事情正在发生，无论是他们的房产还是房产背后的文书工作。
One of those people was a tall, fairly reserved ex-army officer named Brad Robinson.
其中一个人是一位身材高大、相当内向的前陆军军官，名叫布拉德·罗宾逊。
At the time all this started, he and Tracy Poydras had never met and they traveled in different worlds.
当这一切开始时，他和特蕾西·波德拉斯从未见过面，他们旅行在不同的世界。
But they both had decided that buying up cheap New Orleans property made good sense.
但他们都认为购买新奥尔良的廉价房产是明智之举。
Shortly after Brad got out of the army, he and his wife, Michelle, started a business rehabbing blighted old houses and building new ones.
布拉德退伍后不久，他和妻子米歇尔开始了一项生意，修复破旧的老房子并建造新房子。
In 2004, they'd spotted a house in the city's list of seized buildings, so Brad wrote down the address, 8633 Zimple Street, and drove over to check it out.
2004 年，他们在该市的查封建筑物清单中发现了一栋房子，于是布拉德记下了地址：津普尔街 8633 号，然后开车过去查看。
And that's where I recently met up with Brad.
这就是我最近见到布拉德的地方。
He was waiting there with a stack of photos to show me what the house looked like when he bought it.
他拿着一叠照片在那里等着，给我看他买下房子时的样子。
It was a mess.
真是一团糟。
The grass was several feet high, and vines covered it like an ill-fitting toupee.
草有数尺高，藤蔓覆盖在草上，就像一顶不合身的假发。
The back part of the house was collapsing, and from what I could tell from the pictures, the only thing holding up part of it was an old refrigerator.
房子的后部正在倒塌，从照片上看，唯一支撑住它的就是一台旧冰箱。
It was so bad that Robinson couldn't imagine anyone would possibly be living in it, much less that the owner would drive up as he stood there, slam his car door, and storm over to him.
情况太糟糕了，罗宾逊无法想象有人会住在里面，更不用说当他站在那里时，车主会开车过来，关上车门，冲向他。
It was Nathaniel Dowl, the guy who had shown up in court reeking of marijuana.
那个人就是纳撒尼尔·道尔（Nathaniel Dowl），他出现在法庭上时浑身散发着大麻的气味。
And he said, who are you?
他说，你是谁？
And I identified myself.
我也表明了自己的身份。
And I said, I found this house on the city's website, and I was looking at purchasing it.
我说，我在市政府的网站上找到了这所房子，我正在考虑购买它。
And I told him.
我告诉他。
I said, if you want to keep it, you've got to do two things.
我说，如果你想保留它，你必须做两件事。
Number one, you've got to clean it up.
第一，你必须把它清理干净。
And two, I said, you've got to go down and pay your taxes because you've got maybe seven years, or whatever it was, in taxes that were delinquent.
第二，我说，你必须去缴纳税款，因为你可能有七年，或者不管是什么，拖欠税款。
And at first, he was kind of belligerent the first time I met him.
起初，我第一次见到他时，他有点好斗。
And then once I tried to help him and I told what he needed to do to fix the problem, he was talking to me like a friend.
当我试图帮助他并告诉他需要做什么来解决问题时，他就像朋友一样与我交谈。
Brad actually had a few things in common with Nathaniel Dowl.
布拉德实际上与纳撒尼尔·道尔有一些共同点。
Both were born and raised in New Orleans.
两人都在新奥尔良出生和长大。
Both were in their 40s.
两人都是 40 多岁。
Both were from families that had once bought investment properties here, only to lose some of them to the city for neglect or unpaid taxes.
两人都来自曾经在这里购买投资房产的家庭，但由于疏忽或未缴税款而将其中一些房产卖给了这座城市。
So Brad thought it was only fair to give Dowl a shot at keeping his house.
因此布拉德认为让道尔有机会保住他的房子是公平的。
But Dowl failed to act.
但道尔没有采取行动。
He didn't pay his back taxes, and the city went ahead and put his house up for auction.
他没有缴纳欠税，市政府将他的房子拍卖。
Brad picked it up for $10,000.
布拉德以 10,000 美元的价格买下了它。
A couple days after buying the house, Brad and two friends stopped by to check it out.
买下房子几天后，布拉德和两个朋友过来看看。
He also wanted to disconnect the electric meter, which he worried could be a fire hazard.
他还想断开电表的连接，他担心这可能会引发火灾。
So we went to pull the meter, and the second I pulled the meter back out, he came running out the door.
于是我们去拉计价器，当我把计价器拉出来的时候，他就跑出了门。
And what did he say?
他说了什么？
Brad Robinson Basically, he took a baseball bat, and threatened me, and threatened the other two people with me, and said he was sick and tired of the city taking his f-ing properties.
布拉德·罗宾逊（Brad Robinson）基本上，他拿了一根棒球棒，威胁我，并威胁我和其他两个人，并说他厌倦了这座城市夺走他的财产。
Yeah, he chased us out in the street.
是的，他在街上追我们。
He was like a mad man.
他就像一个疯子。
Brad called the cops who cited both men for disturbing the peace.
布拉德报了警，警察指控两人扰乱治安。
Brad showed the police some papers proving that he had just bought the house, so the police told Dowl he had to leave.
布拉德向警方出示了一些证明他刚刚买下房子的文件，因此警方告诉道尔他必须离开。
But Brad had a feeling it wasn't over.
但布拉德有一种感觉，事情还没有结束。
So I drove back, I think it was like 11 or 12 o'clock at night.
于是我就开车回去了，我想当时大概是晚上11点或12点吧。
And I saw his car parked there, and there was a light on inside the premises.
我看到他的车停在那里，屋内亮着灯。
Brad called the cops again.
布拉德再次报了警。
Brad Robinson And they came out.
布拉德·罗宾逊 他们出来了。
And they knocked on the door, and they instructed Mr. Dowl that they had previously ordered him not to return to the property unless he was accompanied and yada, yada.
他们敲了门，告诉道尔先生，他们之前曾命令他不要返回住所，除非他有人陪同，yada，yada。
And they placed him in handcuffs for criminal trespass.
他们以非法侵入罪给他戴上手铐。
At that time, Mr. Dowl presented a document.
这时，道尔先生提交了一份文件。
It was a restraining order signed by Judge Paul Brown in Division M, so the police took the handcuffs off and allowed him to stay in the premises that night.
这是M分局法官保罗·布朗签署的限制令，因此警察取下了手铐，并允许他当晚留在该处所。
None of this made any sense to Brad.
这些对布拉德来说毫无意义。
Why would a judge sign a restraining order against him?
为什么法官要签署针对他的限制令？
After all, he hadn't done anything.
毕竟他什么也没做。
Besides he owned the house.
况且房子也是他的。
The next morning, I went to see Judge Brown to see why she signed this restraining order, TRO.
第二天早上，我去见布朗法官，想了解她为什么签署这份限制令（TRO）。
And she had no recollection of signing it.
而且她不记得自己在上面签字了。
She emphatically denied it.
她断然否认。
She had her clerk check her book.
她让她的职员检查她的书。
There was nothing in there.
里面什么也没有。
And then she actually walked me to each judge and asked them and their clerks if any other judge had signed her name to a TRO.
然后她带我去找每位法官，询问他们和他们的职员是否有其他法官在 TRO 上签下了她的名字。
And they all said no.
他们都说不。
The TRO was a fake, and this is where Nathaniel Dowl's background comes in.
TRO 是假的，这就是 Nathaniel Dowl 的背景。
Under the advice of his attorney, Dowl refused to talk to me.
在他的律师的建议下，道尔拒绝与我交谈。
But here's what we know mostly through public records and court documents.
但这是我们主要通过公共记录和法庭文件了解到的情况。
Throughout much of his life, Dowl ended up in court for stumbling onto the wrong side of the law for car theft, for pot, for unpaid debts.
在他一生的大部分时间里，道尔最终因汽车盗窃、大麻、未偿债务等违法行为而上了法庭。
In 1988, he was sentenced to three years in prison for using bogus money orders.
1988年，他因使用伪造汇票被判处三年监禁。
We also know Dowl used to own several houses, places he apparently inherited from his father, who invested his longshoreman salary in properties.
我们还知道，道尔曾经拥有几栋房子，这些房子显然是他从他父亲那里继承的，他的父亲将他的码头工人的工资投资到了房产上。
Somewhere along the line, Dowl started teaching himself law.
在这个过程中，道尔开始自学法律。
He enrolled in a correspondence program and got his paralegal certificate.
他参加了函授课程并获得了律师助理证书。
He learned the basics, what legal documents do, how to file them, what size the paper should be, how to make them look official.
他学习了基础知识，包括法律文件的作用、如何归档、文件应该多大、如何使它们看起来正式。
In fact, he learned enough that he could produce fake documents pretty easily.
事实上，他已经学到了足够多的知识，他可以很容易地制作假文件。
Dowl had a couple of favorite scams.
道尔有几个最喜欢的骗局。
One was to take a bogus document to a notary and would stamp it with a seal.
一种是将伪造的文件交给公证人并盖上印章。
That only meant Dowl signed the document in person in front of the notary.
这仅意味着道尔在公证人面前亲自签署了该文件。
But the seal made things look all the more official and gave the appearance that claims in the document had been verified.
但这个印章让事情看起来更加正式，并且看起来文件中的说法已经得到证实。
Dowl also figured out how to make good use of a run-of-the-mill kind of legal document, which, and unless you're a lawyer, you've probably never heard of.
道尔还弄清楚了如何充分利用普通的法律文件，除非您是律师，否则您可能从未听说过。
It was something called a quitclaim.
这就是所谓的退出声明。
While it might sound obscure, the idea behind a quitclaim is pretty simple.
虽然听起来可能很晦涩，但退出声明背后的想法非常简单。
Let's say you have the rights to a piece of property.
假设您拥有一块财产的权利。
You go to the courthouse and file a quitclaim giving those rights to, say, your cousin.
你去法院提出放弃索赔，将这些权利赋予你的堂兄等人。
So your cousin now has legal rights to that property.
所以你的表弟现在拥有该财产的合法权利。
The trick that Dowl figured out was that he could file a quitclaim on any piece of property, whether he owned it or not.
道尔想出的窍门是，他可以对任何财产提出无偿索赔，无论他是否拥有该财产。
City officials would look at that document and figure he must have had some rights to begin with, because why else would he file it?
市政府官员会查看该文件，并认为他一开始就拥有一些权利，否则他为什么要提交该文件呢？
And so essentially, Dowl found that armed with just a small bit of legal knowledge, he could trap pretty much anyone he wanted in an upside down topsy-turvy world where all sorts of basic things normally taken for granted just crumble out from beneath you.
因此，从本质上讲，道尔发现，只要具备一点法律知识，他就可以将几乎任何他想要的人困在一个颠倒的、颠倒的世界中，在这个世界中，各种通常被视为理所当然的基本事物都会从你的脚下崩溃。
Brad Robinson's war with Dowl started out small and kind of mundane.
布拉德·罗宾逊与道尔的战争一开始规模很小，而且有点平凡。
Brad sued to get Daniel evicted.
布拉德提起诉讼，要求驱逐丹尼尔。
Dowl challenged the city's right to take his property.
道尔质疑市政府没收他财产的权利。
The fight went to the state Supreme Court where Dowl lost.
这场官司打到了州最高法院，但道尔败诉了。
And for a while, Robinson's life went back to normal.
有一段时间，罗宾逊的生活恢复了正常。
But then Dowl started showing up in strange places, like the houses the Robinsons were working on, properties Dowl had never had anything to do with.
但后来道尔开始出现在奇怪的地方，比如罗宾逊一家正在建造的房子，道尔从未与这些房产有任何关系。
He would show up at the job sites and pretend to be a buyer of one of the properties and request whoever was there to walk through the property.
他会出现在工作地点，假装是其中一处房产的买家，并要求在场的任何人参观该房产。
And later on, if he would go down and create these false documents on every one of them.
稍后，如果他愿意下去并在每个人身上创建这些虚假文件。
Dowl would file these bogus documents.
道尔将归档这些伪造文件。
Robinson would have to track them down and get them thrown out.
罗宾逊必须找到他们并把他们赶出去。
And here's the thing.
事情是这样的。
It wasn't like the city or the courts would call Robinson up and say, hey, Dowl came in again.
市政府或法院不会打电话给罗宾逊说，嘿，道尔又进来了。
Instead, Robinson had to be constantly watching.
相反，罗宾逊必须不断地观察。
I lived down in the inventory archives going through records, because he'd file a document, and I'd go pay an attorney to do a mandamus to pull a document out, and then he'd go back and file another document.
我住在库存档案馆里翻阅记录，因为他会归档一份文件，我会付钱给律师，让他履行职责以取出一份文件，然后他会回去归档另一份文件。
So I call him my paper stalker because he'd go down, it would cost me, say, $1,500 to hire a real attorney to do a mandamus, go in front of a judge, and the judge would make a ruling and know this was BS.
所以我称他为我的纸上跟踪者，因为他会倒下，这将花费我 1,500 美元聘请一位真正的律师来履行职责，在法官面前，法官会做出裁决，并知道这是胡说八道。
And she would order the document pulled from the public record.
她将下令从公共记录中删除该文件。
And we did this for god knows how many years.
天知道我们这样做了多少年。
And it was over, and over, and over.
一切都结束了，结束了，结束了。
How many documents-- do you have any idea-- that you contested with him?
您与他争论了多少份文件——您知道吗？
I'll be honest with you, it was on, like, every piece of property he could find.
老实说，它存在于他能找到的每一块财产上。
Dowl went after his old house, houses that Robinson was renovating, even after Robinson's family home.
道尔追查了他的老房子，罗宾逊正在装修的房子，甚至是罗宾逊的家。
I was somewhere.
我在某个地方。
I was at a meeting or doing something, and my wife called me up in hysterics.
我正在开会或做某事，我的妻子歇斯底里地打电话给我。
I mean, absolute hysterics.
我的意思是，绝对的歇斯底里。
She had come home from work with the children, and there was a notice to vacate posted on the door by a Sheriff's deputy.
她带着孩子们下班回家，门上贴着副警长张贴的撤离通知。
And she didn't know what it was about or what was going on.
她不知道这是关于什么的，也不知道发生了什么。
And she just went into total hysterics.
她简直陷入了彻底的歇斯底里。
So I went home, I got it, I went down there, and then I did a little research, and I found out it was my paper stalker again.
所以我回家了，我得到了它，我去了那里，然后我做了一些研究，我发现它又是我的纸跟踪器。
What does it take to clear something like that up?
需要什么才能清除这样的事情？
We had to go to court.
我们不得不上法庭。
We had to hire another attorney.
我们不得不聘请另一位律师。
Over time, Dowl grew more brazen.
随着时间的推移，道尔变得更加厚颜无耻。
At this point, he was just going after Brad with reams of paperwork.
此时，他正拿着大量的文书工作去追捕布拉德。
But he stepped things up with Tracy Poydras.
但他与特雷西·波德拉斯（Tracy Poydras）加强了合作。
She's the woman we talked to earlier, the woman who found her house covered with caution tape.
她就是我们之前采访过的那个女人，那个发现她的房子被警戒胶带覆盖的女人。
Not only did Dowl file papers claiming he owned her house, he moved in.
道尔不仅提交了文件声称他拥有她的房子，而且还搬了进去。
My mother-in-law went over to the house.
我婆婆就往屋里走去。
And he told her that she couldn't come in.
他告诉她她不能进来。
He told her that she couldn't come in.
他告诉她她不能进来。
And so she thought, OK, I'm going to call the police.
所以她想，好吧，我要报警。
So she calls the police.
于是她报了警。
And they tell her, he has some kind of document with, like, a seal on it.
他们告诉她，他有某种文件，上面有印章。
And she had some documents, and she's like, this man does not live here.
她有一些文件，她说，这个男人不住在这里。
This is my son's house.
这是我儿子的房子。
And the police were, like, OK, he showed us something saying that he should be in the house, so this is a civil matter.
警察说，好吧，他给我们看了一些东西，说他应该在房子里，所以这是一个民事问题。
And you all have to go to court.
你们都必须上法庭。
We can't just remove him from the house.
我们不能就这样把他从房子里带走。
And he's in the background, like, making muscles and doing all kind of little stupid victory dances.
他在后台，比如锻炼肌肉，跳各种愚蠢的胜利舞蹈。
And we were like, this is just not happening.
我们当时想，这根本就没有发生。
This house has multiple defense perimeters.
这所房子有多个防御周界。
It's obvious that you see the shutter and the door, but you don't see all the other things.
很明显，您看到了百叶窗和门，但看不到其他所有东西。
Meet the third person to get into this war with Nathaniel Dowl.
与纳撒尼尔·道尔 (Nathaniel Dowl) 一起卷入这场战争的第三个人。
Richard Arias is an attorney in his early 60s.
理查德·阿里亚斯 (Richard Arias) 是一名 60 岁出头的律师。
He lives in a house that's dark inside because all the solid wood shutters are sealed tight.
他住在一所房子里，里面很黑，因为所有的实木百叶窗都密封得很严。
He explained to me that stems from a paranoia that dates back to his days as an infantryman in Vietnam.
他向我解释说，这源于他在越南当步兵时的一种偏执。
He knew both Nathaniel Dowl and Brad Robinson because he owned a house on Zimple Street next door to the one the two first fought over.
他认识纳撒尼尔·道尔（Nathaniel Dowl）和布拉德·罗宾逊（Brad Robinson），因为他在津普尔街（Zimple Street）拥有一栋房子，紧挨着两人第一次争夺的那栋房子。
Dowl was fighting Robinson, so Dowl came to me for help.
道尔正在和罗宾逊打架，所以道尔来找我寻求帮助。
Dowl knew that I was a lawyer, so he asked me for help.
道尔知道我是一名律师，所以他向我寻求帮助。
But that was pretty short-lived because it didn't take long for Dowl to turn on Arias, to decide Arias wasn't his ally, and to start serving him with fake paperwork and eviction notice, all of it.
但这是相当短暂的，因为没过多久，道尔就开始攻击阿里亚斯，认定阿里亚斯不是他的盟友，并开始向他提供虚假文件和驱逐通知，所有这一切。
And the thing with Arias, he'd never bought any properties that Dowl once owned.
至于阿里亚斯，他从未购买过道尔曾经拥有的任何房产。
With Arias, it was about vengeance, plain and simple.
对于阿里亚斯来说，这是关于复仇，简单明了。
But regardless, he found himself in this paper war with Nathaniel Dowl.
但无论如何，他发现自己陷入了与纳撒尼尔·道尔的这场纸面战争中。
He learned enough to make it look good.
他学到了足够多的知识，足以让它看起来不错。
He would go to the courthouse and copy other people's work, change it enough, but not enough to correct typographical errors, not enough to remove references to standard forms, not enough to pass the scrutiny of a professional, like a judge.
他会去法院抄袭其他人的作品，进行足够的修改，但不足以纠正印刷错误，不足以删除对标准表格的引用，不足以通过专业人士（例如法官）的审查。
Well, just enough to get in the door.
嗯，刚进门就够了。
This went on for more than four years, and Arias, the Poydrases, and the Robinsons all felt trapped.
这种情况持续了四年多，阿里亚斯、波伊德拉塞斯和罗宾逊一家都感到被困住了。
They went to the police, who told them it was a matter for the courts.
他们去找了警察，警察告诉他们这是法庭的事。
They went to the courts, and the judges said they really couldn't do much, except reverse each fraudulent filing as it was presented to them.
他们去了法院，法官们说他们真的无能为力，除了撤销提交给他们的每一份欺诈性申请。
They went to the district attorney, who was struggling with the chaos left in the wake of Katrina and had didn't seem too interested in white collar crime.
他们去找了地方检察官，后者正在努力应对卡特里娜飓风造成的混乱，而且似乎对白领犯罪不太感兴趣。
They even went to the court workers, the people who accepted Dowl's bogus documents when he filed them.
他们甚至去找了法庭工作人员，这些人在道尔提交伪造文件时接受了他。
The workers sort of shrugged and told them that even if they knew the documents were fake, they were bound by state law to accept them.
工人们耸了耸肩，告诉他们，即使他们知道这些文件是假的，他们也有义务接受州法律。
At one point, Tracy's husband Oscar told her if the courts wouldn't help and the police wouldn't help, then they were on their own.
有一次，特雷西的丈夫奥斯卡告诉她，如果法院不提供帮助，警察也不提供帮助，那么他们就只能靠自己了。
You're talking about a 6 foot 3, 300 pound man.
你说的是一个身高 6 英尺 3 英寸、体重 300 磅的男人。
He's like, OK, this is what I'm going to do.
他说，好吧，这就是我要做的。
I'm going to go in the house with a bat, and I'm not going to hurt him.
我要带着球棒进屋，我不会伤害他。
We're just going to run him out of there, you know?
我们要把他赶出那里，你知道吗？
But I'm not going to hurt him.
但我不会伤害他。
And I told him, you know what?
我告诉他，你知道吗？
It sounds good.
听起来不错。
So you do start to lose your mind because you're thinking, OK.
所以你确实开始失去理智，因为你在想，好吧。
Your sane mind is saying, I'm just going to go in there with this bat, and scare him off, and say, get out!
你理智会说，我要带着这只蝙蝠进去，把他吓跑，然后说，滚出去！
Get out of my house.
滚出我的房子。
Well, what are you going to do if that doesn't work?
好吧，如果这不起作用，你会怎么做？
What if he has a gun?
如果他有枪怎么办？
You can't go in and do that.
你不能进去做那样的事。
Then came the mounting costs of all this-- court fees, filing fees, not to mention that after Dowl moved in, the Poydrases had to pay two mortgages, but couldn't rent out their rental property because Dowl was living in it.
接下来，这一切的费用不断增加——法庭费、申请费，更不用说道尔搬进来后，波伊德拉斯夫妇必须支付两笔抵押贷款，但又不能出租他们的出租房产，因为道尔住在里面。
But the people who felt the strain the worst were Brad and Michelle Robinson, who guessed that when you include court fees and lawyer fees, they ultimately spent about $90,000 on what was originally a $10,000 house.
但压力最大的是布拉德·罗宾逊和米歇尔·罗宾逊，他们猜测，如果算上法庭费用和律师费，他们最终花了大约 9 万美元买下了原本价值 1 万美元的房子。
The genius of Dowl's scheme was that he exploited the inertia of the legal system.
道尔计划的巧妙之处在于他利用了法律体系的惯性。
Every time he filed a quitclaim, he was forcing the system to agree, just by taking the paperwork, that he had some rights to the property.
每次他提出放弃索赔时，他只是通过获取文件，就迫使系统同意他对财产拥有一些权利。
And once the system accepts something as true, even for a moment, it's hard to make it go away.
一旦系统接受某件事为真实，即使是片刻，也很难让它消失。
Do that over and over, and you're always a step ahead of your adversaries.
一遍又一遍地这样做，你总是比对手领先一步。
And if Nathaniel Dowl hadn't slipped up, it's hard to say how long this all would have gone on.
如果纳撒尼尔·道尔没有犯错，很难说这一切会持续多久。
But Dowl finally tried his property trick on the wrong people-- the Feds.
但道尔最终在错误的人——联邦政府——身上尝试了他的财产伎俩。
Brad Robinson discovered this after Katrina when he applied for federal money to do work on the house on Zimple Street.
卡特里娜飓风过后，布拉德·罗宾逊（Brad Robinson）在申请联邦资金对津普尔街（Zimple Street）的房屋进行维修时发现了这一点。
I called Road Home Program, and they said, Mr. Dowl, you've already got money from this property.
我打电话给“回家之路计划”，他们说，道尔先生，你已经从这处房产中得到了钱。
And I said, I'm not Mr. Dowl.
我说，我不是道尔先生。
And he said, oh, uh, well, Barbara Dowl got $137,000.
他说，哦，呃，好吧，芭芭拉·道尔得到了 137,000 美元。
Using bogus property claims, Dowl's wife Barbara had applied for federal Road Home assistance.
道尔的妻子芭芭拉利用虚假的财产索赔申请了联邦“道路之家”援助。
They got $132,000 on a property the Robinsons owned.
他们从罗宾逊家族拥有的一处房产中获得了 132,000 美元。
That got the attention of the US Attorney's office.
这引起了美国检察官办公室的注意。
And soon Barbara Dowl was indicted by federal grand jury, and Nathaniel Dowl was charged with filing false public records.
很快，芭芭拉·道尔 (Barbara Dowl) 被联邦大陪审团起诉，纳撒尼尔·道尔 (Nathaniel Dowl) 被指控提交虚假公共记录。
For a moment, the Robinsons, the Poydrases, and Arias thought they might get their lives back.
有那么一刻，罗宾逊一家、波伊德拉斯一家和阿里亚斯以为他们可能会重获新生。
And then something really dark and crazy happened.
然后发生了一些非常黑暗和疯狂的事情。
Brad had a habit of going out late at night after his kids were asleep-- he liked to play poker-- and then coming home after midnight.
布拉德有一个习惯，就是在孩子们睡着后深夜出去——他喜欢玩扑克——然后在午夜后回家。
But one night-- it was a couple days after Dowl found out he was being charged-- he happened to be in bed early.
但有一天晚上——道尔发现自己被指控几天后——他碰巧很早就上床睡觉了。
I was at home sleeping.
我当时正在家里睡觉。
I was in bed with my wife.
我和妻子躺在床上。
About 10:30 that night, I'd gotten up and got a drink of water at my kitchen.
那天晚上10点30分左右，我起床到厨房喝了点水。
You know, you get up and you get a drink without turning on the lights.
你知道，你起床喝了一杯酒，却没有开灯。
Standing in my kitchen drinking a glass of water, and I heard somebody say, his name's Brad.
站在厨房里喝一杯水，我听到有人说，他的名字叫布拉德。
I heard two people having a conversation in my driveway adjacent to my house.
我听到两个人在我家附近的车道上谈话。
During this time, the Robinsons had someone staying with them, a friend of a friend named Tony White, who was an engineer from out of town working on some reconstruction projects.
在此期间，罗宾逊一家有人和他们住在一起，他是朋友托尼·怀特的朋友，托尼·怀特是一名来自外地的工程师，从事一些重建项目。
He didn't know a lot of people in this city, and most nights he worked late.
他在这个城市认识的人不多，而且大多数晚上都工作到很晚。
This was one of those nights.
这是那些夜晚之一。
2:00 in the morning, 2:30 in the morning, my wife was awakened by a phone call.
凌晨2：00，凌晨2：30，老婆被电话吵醒了。
And then she rolled over, and woke me up, and said that an elderly neighbor next door who was up late usually at night had heard something, and there was somebody laying in the street.
然后她翻了个身，把我叫醒，说隔壁一位经常晚上起床的老邻居听到了一些动静，街上有人躺着。
Brad went outside.
布拉德走到外面。
Brad Robinson And right when I walked out the door, a police unit was pulling up.
布拉德·罗宾逊（Brad Robinson） 当我走出门时，一支警察部队已经停了下来。
And I looked at the person, and he was laying face down, so I still didn't know who it was.
我看了看那个人，他脸朝下躺着，所以我还是不知道那人是谁。
I did not know who it was.
我不知道那是谁。
And I walked down.
我走了下来。
I was in my pajamas, and I walked down.
我穿着睡衣，走了下来。
And I was about halfway down.
我大约已经跌到一半了。
I told my wife, I think it's Tony.
我告诉我的妻子，我认为是托尼。
But I wasn't sure, and I didn't know if he'd fallen, if he'd had a seizure, and I didn't know if he had a history of seizures or what.
但我不确定，我不知道他是否摔倒过，是否癫痫发作，也不知道他是否有癫痫病史或者什么。
All these scenarios were running through my head.
所有这些场景都在我的脑海中闪过。
And I told my wife to bring the kids inside, so she brought the kids inside.
我告诉我的妻子把孩子们带进去，所以她就把孩子们带进去了。
And I knelt down over the body, and I felt his carotid artery.
我跪在尸体上，摸到了他的颈动脉。
And when I reached down, he was-- there was no pulse whatsoever, so I knew he was dead.
当我伸手下去时，他——没有任何脉搏，所以我知道他死了。
Tony White had been shot through his left eye at point blank range.
托尼·怀特的左眼被近距离射穿。
Let's be clear here.
让我们在这里说清楚。
The crime is still unsolved, and the investigation never connected the shooting in any way to Dowl, or his wife, or anybody for that matter.
该犯罪仍未侦破，调查从未以任何方式将枪击事件与道尔、他的妻子或任何相关人员联系起来。
And Dowl had an alibi.
道尔有不在场证据。
But there are things that still haunt the Robinsons about the shooting.
但枪击事件仍然困扰着罗宾逊一家。
Brad and Tony were about the same age, height, and build.
布拉德和托尼的年龄、身高和身材都差不多。
The killers didn't bother with any of Tony's stuff.
凶手们并没有理会托尼的任何东西。
They took his car and burned it, but left behind his money and a bunch of expensive camera equipment.
他们拿走了他的车并烧毁了它，但留下了他的钱和一堆昂贵的摄像设备。
Brad's convinced that what happened at his house late that night wasn't just another random crime.
布拉德确信那天深夜在他家里发生的事情不仅仅是另一起随机犯罪。
Nathaniel Dowl was eventually found guilty for filing fake public records.
纳撒尼尔·道尔最终因提交虚假公共记录而被判有罪。
He's now serving a 10 year sentence, and his appeal was rejected late last month.
他目前正在服刑 10 年，上个月底他的上诉被驳回。
Brad Robinson says he feels safer with Dowl in jail-- that's no surprise.
布拉德·罗宾逊说，道尔在监狱里让他感觉更安全——这并不奇怪。
But he also knows that in six years or so, Dowl will likely be getting out.
但他也知道，大约六年后，道尔可能会出局。
He worries what will happen then.
他担心接下来会发生什么。
I think it's just a lull.
我认为这只是一个平静。
He's only in jail for maybe, what, six years, 10 years.
他只被关了大概六年、十年。
He might do six.
他可能会做六个。
And then he's going to get out, and he's going to come back and probably start up right where he left off, I would imagine.
然后他会出去，然后他会回来，并且可能会从他离开的地方开始，我想。
I think we've got a six-year reprieve.
我认为我们有六年的缓刑。
And I think when he comes out, he's going to come out with even a bigger vengeance.
我认为当他出柜时，他会进行更大的报复。
Because of that fear, Robinson is planning to move his family out of New Orleans before Dowl gets released.
由于这种恐惧，罗宾逊计划在道尔获释之前将家人搬出新奥尔良。
Whatever does happen, then, even if it's over for the Robinsons, even if it's over for the Poydrases and Arias, it might not be totally over.
那么，无论发生什么，即使罗宾逊一家已经结束，即使波伊德拉塞斯和阿里亚斯已经结束，也可能还没有完全结束。
Recently, Brad Robinson told me he happened to be looking at the city of New Orleans website, and he saw another one of Nathaniel Dowl's old properties up for sale by the city.
最近，布拉德·罗宾逊告诉我，他碰巧在浏览新奥尔良市的网站，他看到纳撒尼尔·道尔的另一处旧房产正在该市出售。
Robinson says he feels sorry for whoever buys that place.
罗宾逊说，他为买下这个地方的人感到遗憾。
Wayne Curtis, he's a contributor to The Daily Beast and Garden & Gun.
韦恩·柯蒂斯 (Wayne Curtis)，他是《每日野兽报》和《花园与枪》的撰稿人。
Today's show is a rerun.
今天的节目是重播。
Nathaniel Dowl died in 2013 shortly before he was due to be released from prison.
2013 年，纳撒尼尔·道尔 (Nathaniel Dowl) 在即将出狱前不久去世。
The murder of Tony White remains unsolved.
托尼·怀特的谋杀案仍然悬而未决。
[MUSIC - TEENAGE FRAMES, "SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE"]
[音乐 - 青少年框架，“在虚线上签名”]
Act Three, I've Fallen in Love and I Can't Get Up.
第三幕，我坠入爱河，无法起身。
Sometimes you're a hostage inside your own body.
有时你是自己身体里的人质。
Chris Higgins has this example, and we decided to rerun today's program this week because a movie is opening up this weekend based on this radio story.
克里斯·希金斯有一个例子，我们决定本周重新播放今天的节目，因为根据这个广播故事改编的电影将于本周末上映。
Anyway, here's Chris.
无论如何，这是克里斯。
You know it's going to be a pretty weird interview when the first question is this.
当第一个问题是这个时，你知道这将是一次相当奇怪的采访。
If you have an attack during this interview, what would you like me to do?
如果您在这次采访中受到攻击，您希望我做什么？
I'm talking to Matt Frerking.
我正在和马特·弗雷金谈话。
He's 39.
他39岁了。
Well, if I fall over, then making sure that I can continue to breathe would be nice or that I haven't come to rest on something sharp or anything like that.
好吧，如果我摔倒了，那么确保我可以继续呼吸就好了，或者我没有在尖锐的东西或类似的东西上休息。
About four years ago, Matt started having these strange attacks.
大约四年前，马特开始出现这些奇怪的攻击。
The first attack happened when he was taking a shower.
第一次袭击发生在他洗澡时。
His muscles began to feel heavy.
他的肌肉开始感觉沉重。
His head began to droop.
他的头开始低垂。
He slumped into a sitting position.
他颓然坐起。
He ordered his body to stand, but nothing happened.
他命令自己的身体站起来，但什么也没发生。
And so I was sitting there thinking, this is ridiculous.
所以我坐在那里想，这太荒谬了。
You can lift your head, move your arms, so just do it.
你可以抬起头，移动你的手臂，所以就去做吧。
And then just as quickly as it happened, a few minutes later, it went away.
然后就像它发生的那样快，几分钟后，它就消失了。
And I was back to normal and thought, wow, that was strange.
我恢复正常并想，哇，这很奇怪。
And I went down and told my wife about it.
我下去告诉了我的妻子这件事。
He just said I couldn't move.
他只是说我不能动。
And I was thinking, well, he must be overstating it.
我在想，好吧，他肯定夸大了。
You can't just not be able to move.
你不能只是无法移动。
That's just not something that really happens to people.
这并不是真正发生在人们身上的事情。
That's Trish, Matt's wife.
那是特丽西，马特的妻子。
They have four kids from her previous marriage, and some of those kids have kids of their own.
他们在她之前的婚姻中育有四个孩子，其中一些孩子也有了自己的孩子。
It kept happening.
它一直在发生。
Matt kept collapsing out of the blue every day, sometimes three and four times a day.
马特每天都会突然崩溃，有时一天三四次。
He went to a string of doctors, including a psychiatrist, and a sleep doctor, and a neurologist.
他去看了一系列医生，包括一位精神科医生、一位睡眠医生和一位神经科医生。
But none of them were able to fix the problem.
但他们都无法解决这个问题。
Matt happens to be a neuroscientist.
马特恰好是一位神经科学家。
He's a professor at a university, but he was as baffled as everyone else.
他是一名大学教授，但他和其他人一样感到困惑。
When each attack hit him, Matt was still totally conscious.
当每次攻击袭击他时，马特仍然完全清醒。
He just couldn't move.
他就是动不了。
Once on campus, he ended up flat on his back in a flower planter for over half an hour with his legs sticking out over the edge.
一到校园，他就仰面躺在花盆里半个多小时，双腿伸出花盆边缘。
He's fallen down stairs.
他从楼梯上摔下来了。
He's had police and paramedics show up.
他已经派了警察和护理人员来。
It took Matt three years to finally get a diagnosis.
马特花了三年时间才最终得到诊断。
It turns out he has this disease called narcolepsy with cataplexy.
原来他患有一种叫做发作性睡病并猝倒的疾病。
That first part you've probably heard of.
您可能听说过第一部分。
Narcolepsy is excessive sleepiness.
发作性睡病是过度嗜睡。
You can treat that with stimulants.
你可以用兴奋剂来治疗。
The real problem is the cataplexy, which is making him collapse.
真正的问题是猝倒，这让他崩溃了。
Worldwide, researchers estimate that more than a million people have this disease.
研究人员估计全世界有超过一百万人患有这种疾病。
Although they're not sure why it's happening, they think it's related to REM sleep, the part of sleep when you dream.
尽管他们不确定为什么会发生这种情况，但他们认为这与快速眼动睡眠（REM 睡眠）有关，即做梦时的睡眠部分。
When you start dreaming, your brain tells you your muscles to go limp, so you don't act out the dream.
当你开始做梦时，你的大脑会告诉你肌肉变得无力，这样你就不会把梦变成现实。
That same signal was getting sent from Matt's brain, but it's happening while he's awake.
马特的大脑也发出了同样的信号，但这是在他醒着的时候发生的。
So while the cause is hazy-- and by the way, there's no cure-- scientists have managed to figure out what triggers the attacks in most patients.
因此，虽然病因尚不清楚——而且还没有治愈方法——但科学家们已经设法找出了大多数患者发作的诱因。
The triggers vary, but the things that most reliably do it are strong emotions, and in particular, strong positive emotions.
触发因素各不相同，但最可靠的触发因素是强烈的情绪，尤其是强烈的积极情绪。
By and large, those are things that I either have to avoid or recognize that if I do them enough, they're going to trigger an attack.
总的来说，这些都是我必须避免的事情，或者要认识到，如果我做得足够多，它们就会引发攻击。
Let me make sure you got that.
让我确定你明白了。
When Matt gets really happy, when he feels the warm fuzzy stuff, he becomes paralyzed by his emotions-- literally paralyzed.
当马特变得真正快乐时，当他感受到温暖的毛茸茸的东西时，他就会被自己的情绪麻痹——真正的麻痹。
This has been going on for four years, and there's no end in sight.
这种情况已经持续四年了，而且还没有结束的迹象。
I mean, he told me once, yeah, this is such a sick disease because when I feel love for my wife, excitement at the grandkids, love for the kids, that sort of thing, it makes him have an attack.
我的意思是，他曾经告诉我，是的，这是一种病态的疾病，因为当我感受到对妻子的爱，对孙子的兴奋，对孩子们的爱，诸如此类的事情时，就会让他发作。
So for example, when his littlest granddaughter had her second birthday party, Matt showed up.
例如，当他的小孙女举办两岁生日聚会时，马特出现了。
Kids were running around the living room.
孩子们在客厅里跑来跑去。
He was filled with the sentimental happy feelings anyone feels.
他充满了任何人都会感受到的感伤的幸福感。
And then he collapsed on the couch in the middle of a swarm of toddlers who weren't bothered by it.
然后他倒在沙发上，周围是一群幼儿，他们对此并不在意。
Matt can't even pet a puppy without collapsing.
马特甚至不能抚摸一只小狗而不崩溃。
Weddings are just as bad.
婚礼也同样糟糕。
Matt's brother got married a few weeks ago, and Matt was there, happy for him, and therefore having an attack the whole time.
马特的哥哥几周前结婚了，马特也在场，为他感到高兴，因此一直在发作。
He was propped against a wall, hoping people would ignore him and just go on with the wedding.
他靠在墙上，希望人们不要理睬他，继续婚礼。
Poor Matt.
可怜的马特。
This was one of those things that it was just not OK for him to miss, even though we knew it would be difficult.
这是他不能错过的事情之一，尽管我们知道这会很困难。
His wedding ceremony was a very small one.
他的婚礼规模很小。
They wanted to take pictures of the whole group.
他们想给整个团体拍照。
Immediately after, my attack hadn't cleared up, so they all basically clustered around where I was propped up against the wall and included me.
紧接着，我的攻击还没有散去，他们基本上都聚集到了我靠墙的地方，也包括了我。
And so that was very sweet of them.
所以他们非常甜蜜。
When you look at those pictures, what do you think?
当你看到这些照片时，你有什么感想？
Oh, this was only a couple of weeks ago.
哦，这只是几周前的事。
I haven't actually seen them yet.
我还没有真正见过他们。
Are you concerned about it?
你担心吗？
It seems like it might be-- I don't know-- sort of strange, but also absolutely sweet.
我不知道，这似乎有点奇怪，但也绝对甜蜜。
Yeah, and in honesty, I probably won't spend much time dwelling on those pictures because it makes it more difficult to not have an attack.
是的，老实说，我可能不会花太多时间思考这些照片，因为这使得不受到攻击变得更加困难。
It can be a triggering condition just to discuss it even.
即使只是讨论它也可能成为一个触发条件。
So at this moment, Matt is starting to have an attack.
所以此时此刻，马特开始发起攻击了。
You can hear him slowing down and hesitating more.
你可以听到他放慢了脚步，更加犹豫了。
It's a bit harder to initiate movements, and I don't know if you've noticed or not.
发起动作有点困难，不知道大家注意到没有。
But I feel like my eyes are sort of drooping a bit, and so.
但我感觉我的眼睛有点下垂，等等。
We talked for a little while more, and then Matt has to go lie down.
我们又聊了一会儿，然后马特不得不去躺下。
It's half an hour before he's able to talk again.
半个小时之后，他才能够再次说话。
Matt's on medication now, and that medication helps him postpone the attacks.
马特现在正在接受药物治疗，这种药物可以帮助他推迟发作。
He has some warning before he loses control.
在他失去控制之前，他已经收到了一些警告。
And think about this.
想想这个。
Matt had this attack while he was talking about a photograph he's never seen.
马特在谈论一张他从未见过的照片时遭受了这次袭击。
If just talking about a picture can cause this, imagine all the other things Matt has to avoid.
如果仅仅谈论一张照片就会导致这种情况，想象一下马特必须避免的所有其他事情。
Well, profoundly, I guess, is really the way to put it.
嗯，我想，确实是这样说的。
It's very difficult to allow myself to enjoy being with my wife.
让自己享受和妻子在一起的时光是非常困难的。
It's hard for me to have to either give up those things or not share them with Matt.
对我来说，要么放弃这些东西，要么不与马特分享它们，这对我来说很难。
It sucks, you know?
这很糟糕，你知道吗？
How articulate of me.
我多么善于表达啊。
It's not a cool thing to happen to you.
发生在你身上并不是一件很酷的事情。
Trish is pretty open about how she's come to deal with Matt's cataplexy and how it's changed their relationship.
翠西对她如何应对马特的猝倒以及这如何改变了他们的关系非常坦率。
It messes up their social life and their sex life, too.
它也扰乱了他们的社交生活和性生活。
It's hard to hear that my love-- and when you had those wonderful close moments, when you sit with your arms around one another and you just want to reflect on this is a pretty cool person I'm spending my life with, those make him sick.
很难听到我的爱人——当你们度过了那些美妙的亲密时刻，当你们坐在一起，彼此拥抱，你只想反思这是一个与我共度一生的非常酷的人，这些让他感到恶心。
And sometimes what goes through my mind is a little guilt because is that fair to put him through that?
有时我的脑海里浮现出一点内疚，因为让他经历这些公平吗？
And am I just doing it for myself?
我只是为了自己而做吗？
Trish is the only person who's really close to Matt these days.
崔西是这些天唯一与马特关系密切的人。
She told me that she reminds everyone that if Matt didn't care about them, this wouldn't be happening, that when he collapses, it's proof of his love.
她告诉我，她提醒大家，如果马特不关心他们，这一切就不会发生，当他崩溃时，那就是他爱的证明。
Their kids even have a kind of contest going to see who causes him to have more attacks to find out who his favorite is.
他们的孩子甚至举办了一场比赛，看谁让他遭受更多攻击，从而找出他最喜欢的人。
They'll tease each other, like, did he pass out when you talked to him on the phone?
他们会互相取笑，比如，当你和他打电话时，他晕倒了吗？
'Cause he passed out when I talked to him.
因为当我和他说话时他昏倒了
And after living with this for four years, with being punished every time he experiences happiness, Matt's adapted, though the way he's adapted is sad.
在忍受了四年的生活之后，每次经历幸福都会受到惩罚，马特已经适应了，尽管他适应的方式是悲伤的。
He tries to enjoy things less.
他试着少享受一些事情。
He told me he tries to think of himself as a robot and not engage too emotionally.
他告诉我，他试着把自己想象成一个机器人，不要太情绪化。
He's told me he even has to be careful with how he speaks, not to get too enthusiastic or worked up.
他告诉我，他甚至必须小心说话的方式，不要过于热情或激动。
When enjoyment and positive emotions cause you to basically be stuck in a state where you can't move, it doesn't take very long for you to find them quite a bit less enjoyable than they were before.
当享受和积极的情绪让你基本上陷入一种无法动弹的状态时，你很快就会发现它们比以前没有那么愉快了。
So there's sort of a natural retraining that you do of how much to derive joy from things.
因此，你会进行一种自然的再训练，决定从事物中获得多少快乐。
But it's important to point out even though Matt is being trained by his brain every day not to feel these emotions, he still has them.
但重要的是要指出，尽管马特每天都在接受大脑训练，不要感受到这些情绪，但他仍然有这些情绪。
He's still with Trish, and they make it work.
他仍然和崔西在一起，他们让事情顺利进行。
Although Matt tries to avoid happiness, it's still a part of his life.
尽管马特试图避免幸福，但这仍然是他生活的一部分。
He's proof that you can't avoid happiness.
他证明了你无法避免幸福。
It'll find you no matter what.
无论如何它都会找到你。
And Matt's lucky he has a wife who's standing by him.
马特很幸运，他有一个支持他的妻子。
But for now, they're not holding hands.
但目前，他们还没有牵手。
Chris Higgins, he's the host of the Election Ride Home podcast.
克里斯·希金斯 (Chris Higgins)，他是“Election Ride Home”播客的主持人。
As I said earlier, a film is coming out this weekend that is a fictionalized story of somebody like Matt Frerking.
正如我之前所说，本周末将上映一部电影，讲述马特·弗雷金（Matt Frerking）等人的虚构故事。
The screenwriters basically heard this story on the radio and wrote a whole script that tries to imagine what it might be like to try to date and find love with this disease.
编剧们基本上是在广播中听到这个故事，并写了一个完整的剧本，试图想象尝试与这种疾病约会并找到爱情会是什么样子。
Like, what happens when you meet somebody who really makes you so joyful, and ecstatic, and therefore triggers these attacks?
例如，当你遇到一个真正让你如此快乐和欣喜若狂并因此引发这些攻击的人时，会发生什么？
The film is called Ode to Joy.
这部电影叫《欢乐颂》。
It stars Martin Freeman.
该片由马丁·弗瑞曼主演。
It's in theaters right now in New York, and Los Angeles, and then lots more cities next weekend.
该片现已在纽约和洛杉矶上映，下周末还将在更多城市上映。
And you can watch right now online on Amazon and iTunes.
您现在就可以在 Amazon 和 iTunes 上在线观看。
Our program was produced today by Lisa Pollak and Ben Calhoun, with Alex Blumberg, Jane Marie, Sarah Koenig, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Lisa Pollak 和 Ben Calhoun 以及 Alex Blumberg、Jane Marie、Sarah Koenig、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 制作。
Our senior producer for today show is Julie Snyder, the music up from Jessica Hopper.
我们今天节目的高级制作人是朱莉·斯奈德（Julie Snyder），她的音乐来自杰西卡·霍珀（Jessica Hopper）。
Additional production on today's rerun from Jessica Lussenhop, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, and Matt Tierney.
今天重播的附加制作由杰西卡·卢森霍普、凯瑟琳·雷·蒙多、斯托·尼尔森和马特·蒂尔尼担任。
Special thanks today to Josh Bearman, Scott Carrier, Annie Baxter, Matt Malloy, Etgar Keret, and Douglas Robinson.
今天特别感谢 Josh Bearman、Scott Carrier、Annie Baxter、Matt Malloy、Etgar Keret 和 Douglas Robinson。
Annie Correal's story in Act One was originally produced with funding from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
第一幕中安妮·科雷尔的故事最初是在公共广播公司的资助下制作的。
Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org.
我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org。
This American Life is delivered to Public Radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
It is so distracting when he comes into the studio while I'm here reading the credits.
当我在这里读片尾字幕时，他走进工作室，真是让人分心。
And he's in the background, like, making muscles and doing all kind of little stupid victory dances.
他在后台，比如锻炼肌肉，跳各种愚蠢的胜利舞蹈。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。