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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
序言 Ira Glass 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这就是美国生活，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Hey, dad?
嘿，爸爸？
Dad Hi.
爸爸嗨。
Let me pick this up on another phone.
让我用另一部手机接听。
I can barely hear you.
我几乎听不到你说话。
About a year ago, this thing happened to me when I took the train down to visit my dad in Baltimore.
大约一年前，当我乘火车去巴尔的摩看望我的父亲时，这件事发生在我身上。
And when this thing happened, he said to me, you know, this could be a story on your show.
当这件事发生时，他对我说，你知道，这可能是你节目中的一个故事。
So this week, I called him up to have him and my stepmom tell the story.
所以这周，我打电话给他，让他和我的继母讲述这个故事。
You remember what happened with the business with the train and your suit?
你还记得火车和你的西装的事发生了什么吗？
You left it on the train.
你把它落在火车上了。
It was in a hanging bag, and you left it on the compartment over your seat by mistake.
它装在一个挂袋里，你不小心把它落在了座位上方的隔间上。
So I said, "Well, what are you going to do?" And you said, "Well--"
所以我说：“那么，你打算做什么？”你说：“嗯——”
I said, well, apparently you can go to Amtrak and they'll retrieve your luggage at the train's next stop and throw it onto the next Amtrak that's headed back to you.
我说，好吧，显然你可以去Amtrak，他们会在火车的下一站取回你的行李，然后把它扔到下一趟返回你的Amtrak上。
But the problem was my dad had tickets to the Baltimore Symphony that night, and train that was hopefully going to arrive with my suit, that is, if everything went perfectly, perfectly, perfectly, that train would arrive--
但问题是我爸爸那天晚上有巴尔的摩交响乐团的票，还有火车，希望能和我的西装一起到达，也就是说，如果一切顺利，完美，完美，那趟火车就会到达——
I think 6:30, as I remember, or quarter of 7, and the symphony was at 8 o'clock.
我记得是 6 点 30 分，也就是 7 点一刻，交响乐是在 8 点钟演奏的。
So of course, this was very, very worrisome.
当然，这非常非常令人担忧。
And before I go any further in this story, I should say, this is the 400th episode one of our radio show.
在我进一步讲述这个故事之前，我应该说，这是我们广播节目的第 400 集。
There are eight of us who make the show, working together really closely, finding stories and shaping them.
我们有八个人制作这部剧，我们紧密合作，寻找故事并塑造它们。
And for years, as we made those 399 other episodes, all those years, family members have approached us at weddings, holidays, with all kinds of ideas for the show.
多年来，当我们制作其他 399 集时，这些年来，家庭成员在婚礼、假期时向我们提出了关于这部剧的各种想法。
Most of them never made it onto the air, because-- i'll be frank-- they were not so great.
他们中的大多数从未出现在广播中，因为——坦率地说——他们并不是那么伟大。
And this week we thought, OK.
这周我们想，好吧。
It's our 400th show.
这是我们的第 400 场演出。
We should do something we've never done before.
我们应该做一些我们以前从未做过的事情。
Something so difficult we've never dared do it before.
如此困难的事情我们以前从来不敢做。
And we thought, you know, after tackling all the subjects we have over the years-- productions of Peter Pan gone awry, and investigations into Guantanamo, and trying to make the history of mortgage-backed securities into entertaining radio-- what would be the greatest challenge?
我们想，你知道，在解决了多年来我们遇到的所有主题之后——《彼得潘》的制作出了差错，对关塔那摩的调查，以及试图将抵押贷款支持证券的历史变成娱乐广播——最大的挑战是什么？
What would be the greatest challenge that we could possibly attempt for our 400th show?
对于第 400 场演出，我们可能尝试的最大挑战是什么？
And the answer?
答案是什么呢？
Obviously, let's do all of those stories pitched to us by our parents.
显然，让我们来完成父母向我们介绍的所有故事。
Stories where it's not even clear whether it's humanly possible to make them into listenable stories on the radio.
甚至不清楚人类是否有可能将它们制作成广播中可供收听的故事。
So hence this story with the suit.
所以这就是关于这套西装的故事。
OK, you remember where we are?
好吧，你还记得我们在哪里吗？
OK.
好的。
We're worried about the train and the suit.
我们担心火车和西装。
And we were mulling around about what to do about it, and meanwhile eating some late lunch.
我们一边思考该怎么办，一边吃午饭。
And it was at lunch that my stepmom, Sandy, got an idea.
午餐时，我的继母桑迪想到了一个主意。
Let's buy a cheap suit at Marshalls just in case the train doesn't come in.
我们去马歇尔买一套便宜的西装，以防万一火车不进站。
Marshalls is nearby.
马歇尔就在附近。
I've seen a lot of suits there that were a really good price.
我在那里看到了很多西装，价格非常优惠。
Sometimes a hundred dollars.
有时是一百美元。
And you know, it could work.
你知道，它可以发挥作用。
And your plan was, we're going to buy a suit.
你的计划是，我们要买一套西装。
Let's try to get a suit for like a hundred bucks with the thought that if I don't wear it, you'll just return it the next day.
我们试着花一百美元买一套西装，想着如果我不穿，你第二天就会把它退回来。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Ira Glass We didn't have much time, so we hustled over to Marshalls, where we learned that Marshalls actually doesn't sell many suits.
Ira Glass 我们没有太多时间，所以我们赶到了 Marshalls，在那里我们了解到 Marshalls 实际上卖的西装并不多。
They literally have two suits in the store.
他们店里实际上有两套西装。
Miraculously, one fits.
奇迹般地，一个适合。
But another obstacle.
但另一个障碍。
The pants.
裤子。
The pants need hemming.
裤子需要包边。
Though if we hem them, of course, we wouldn't be able to return to suit.
当然，如果我们给它们缝边，我们就无法恢复原状。
What to do?
该怎么办？
What do we do?
我们该怎么办？
And I said, uh, scotch tape.
我说，呃，透明胶带。
Scotch tape it.
用透明胶带粘起来。
So that was the plan.
这就是计划。
Ira Glass It went off like a great bank heist.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 这件事就像一场伟大的银行抢劫案一样。
Like The Sting.
就像《刺痛》一样。
Like Ocean's 11.
比如《海洋11》。
I got the suit at Marshalls.
我在马歇尔买了这套衣服。
The train came in.
火车进来了。
It had my real suit.
里面有我真正的套装。
I change into the real suit at the back of the train station.
我在火车站后面换上真正的衣服。
We go to the Baltimore Symphony, which was, by the way, fantastic.
我们去了巴尔的摩交响乐团，顺便说一下，那真是太棒了。
They got this new conductor.
他们得到了这位新指挥。
We went home, removed the scotch tape from the suit, and returned it on Monday.
我们回家，撕掉套装上的透明胶带，并于周一归还。
Everything came out great.
一切都很好。
And it was just like a normal visit from you, Ira.
这就像你的一次正常拜访一样，艾拉。
What do you mean by that?
你这是什么意思？
Dad Well, you know, sometimes things like this happen.
爸爸，你知道，有时会发生这样的事情。
Wait, what do you mean?
等等，你什么意思？
What kinds of things?
什么样的东西？
You know, it's always excitement when you come to Baltimore.
你知道，来到巴尔的摩总是令人兴奋。
Are you saying that this thing that happens every time I come is that there's some kind of unnecessary chaos?
你是说我每次来都会发生这种事，是不是有什么不必要的混乱？
I wouldn't say that.
我不会这么说。
I wouldn't say that.
我不会这么说。
Now, you know, usually, a story on the show, for it to work, it needs to kind of have some bigger idea, or some bigger universal thing that it drives towards.
现在，你知道，通常来说，节目中的一个故事要想发挥作用，它需要有一些更大的想法，或者它所追求的一些更大的普遍事物。
Do you think there is something like that with this story?
你觉得这个故事里有类似的东西吗？
No, not at all.
不，一点也不。
Ira Glass Well, at least he could tell.
艾拉·格拉斯 好吧，至少他能看出来。
Today, for our 400th show, each of us who work on the radio show went to our parents, got them to pitch the story-- or repitched one that they had pitched in the past-- and then the idea was, we each had to make the story they pitched.
今天，在我们的第 400 期节目中，我们每个在广播节目中工作的人都去找我们的父母，让他们推介这个故事，或者重新推介他们过去推介的故事，然后我们每个人都必须制作他们推介的故事。
But there is more.
但还有更多。
Musical transition, please?
请问音乐过渡吗？
So we're gathered here, not in our studio, which actually isn't big enough for all of us to fit, but in our office, in the room where we have our weekly story meetings.
所以我们聚集在这里，不是在我们的工作室，实际上它不够大，无法容纳我们所有人，而是在我们的办公室，在我们每周举行故事会议的房间里。
So it's nine of us sitting here with microphones and looking around the room.
我们九个人拿着麦克风坐在这里，环视房间。
It's Robyn Semien--
这是罗宾·塞米恩——
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass That's our production manager, Seth Lind.
Ira Glass 这是我们的生产经理 Seth Lind。
Sarah Koenig--
莎拉·科尼格——
That would be Lisa Pollak, jumping the gun.
那就是丽莎·波拉克（Lisa Pollak），他的行动太早了。
And finally, our senior producer, Julie Snyder.
最后是我们的高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德。
Hello.
你好。
Ira Glass Nervous.
艾拉·格拉斯紧张。
One of our producers, Nancy Updike, was called away and isn't here.
我们的一位制片人南希·厄普代克被叫走了，不在场。
But we're gathered here together today because not only are all of you attempting to execute some of the most difficult stories you ever have-- if that were not hard enough, we're going to make it a contest.
但我们今天聚集在这里，不仅是因为你们所有人都在尝试执行一些你们曾经经历过的最困难的故事——如果这还不够难，我们将把它变成一场竞赛。
The ground rules are these.
基本规则如下。
We're going to play each producer's story.
我们将播放每个制片人的故事。
We'll all listen together.
我们大家一起听。
And then at the end of the show, we're going to come back on the air together and decide which story was best.
然后在节目结束时，我们将一起回来并决定哪个故事最好。
Not only will this determined once and for all who is the greatest producer in radio, there's a prize that we all decided on together at our real story meaning.
这不仅将一劳永逸地决定谁是广播界最伟大的制作人，而且还有一个我们大家根据故事的真实意义共同决定的奖项。
I forgot what the prize is.
我忘了奖品是什么了
Sarah Koenig Is it that the winning parent gets a plane ticket to come visit their child producer?
Sarah Koenig 获胜的家长会得到一张机票来拜访他们的儿童制片人吗？
And that's how I refer to all of you, as child producers.
这就是我对你们所有人（儿童制作人）的称呼。
But we also acknowledge that maybe we have no perspective on these stories, because who has perspective on their own family and their ideas?
但我们也承认，也许我们对这些故事没有看法，因为谁对自己的家庭和想法有看法？
And so we also want to turn to you, everybody listening over the radio.
因此，我们也想向你们求助，每个通过广播收听的人。
You will all hear these stories.
你们都会听到这些故事。
At the end of the program, go to our website and vote for your favorite.
节目结束后，请访问我们的网站并为您最喜欢的节目投票。
And if you listeners vote for a different winter than we choose amongst ourselves, then a second parent will get a trip to see their kid.
如果你们听众投票支持与我们自己选择不同的冬天，那么第二位父母将有机会去看望他们的孩子。
All right.
好的。
And so let the games begin.
那么让游戏开始吧。
Our first story is from Lisa Pollak.
我们的第一个故事来自丽莎·波拉克。
It's funny what your parents forget to tell you until you're recording them for national broadcast.
有趣的是，你的父母忘记告诉你，直到你将他们录制下来供全国广播。
Here's what my mom said when I asked her for a story idea.
当我向妈妈询问故事创意时，她是这么说的。
What if you get the story on planning your funerals before you die?
如果您在死前得知有关计划葬礼的故事怎么办？
Because that's what we're doing now.
因为这就是我们现在正在做的事情。
She explained that she and my dad had recently bought their cemetery plots.
她解释说，她和我父亲最近买了他们的墓地。
Apparently all their friends were making plans for eternity, and they got they should jump on the bandwagon, too.
显然他们所有的朋友都在为永恒做计划，他们也知道自己也应该跟上潮流。
I wasn't really sure why she was laughing, but she seemed convinced there was a funny idea in here, somewhere.
我不太确定她为什么笑，但她似乎确信这里的某个地方有一个有趣的想法。
There's got to be funny stories about death, and they've never done that on your show.
一定有关于死亡的有趣故事，但他们在你的节目中从未这样做过。
Yeah, we have.
是的，我们有。
We have.
我们有。
What do you mean, a funny story about death?
一个关于死亡的有趣故事是什么意思？
Yeah.
是的。
Not death, but dying and, you know, the burial things.
不是死亡，而是垂死，还有，你知道的，埋葬的东西。
Well, have you been to any funny funerals?
那么，你参加过什么有趣的葬礼吗？
I went to one hysterical funeral.
我参加了一场歇斯底里的葬礼。
I started laughing.
我开始笑。
And dad was laughing.
爸爸在笑。
You know when you start to laugh and then you're trying to stifle it because you're at a funeral?
你知道什么时候你开始笑，然后因为参加葬礼而试图忍住吗？
I was busting a gut.
我真是气炸了。
I was laughing so hard.
我笑得很厉害。
And dad too.
还有爸爸。
What was so funny?
有什么好笑的？
What was so funny Mitch?
米奇有什么好笑的？
It with the whole-- I don't know what.
它与整个——我不知道是什么。
It was just fabulous!
太棒了！
It was the best funeral I've ever been to.
这是我参加过的最好的葬礼。
So this is the idea.
这就是我们的想法。
Find funny stories about funerals.
查找有关葬礼的有趣故事。
Stories kind of like my mom's, only actually explaining the funny parts.
故事有点像我妈妈的故事，只是实际上解释了有趣的部分。
I started looking, and the first thing I found was a New York Times story from January 1902.
我开始寻找，第一个发现的是《纽约时报》1902 年 1 月的一篇报道。
Clearly I wasn't the first reporter whose mother had this idea.
显然我不是第一个母亲有这个想法的记者。
The headline read, "Humors of Funerals: The Funny Side of a Gruesome Subject As Seen by Clergymen." Or, as I like to imagine a clergyman would say it in 1902--
标题是“葬礼的幽默：神职人员眼中的可怕主题的有趣的一面。”或者，正如我想象一位牧师在 1902 年会说的那样——
"The Funny Side of a Gruesome Subject, As Seen By Clergymen."
“牧师眼中的可怕主题有趣的一面。”
The story was a collection of anonymous anecdotes, gets like this one.
这个故事是匿名轶事的集合，就像这样。
The first Sunday after I had been installed in my first church, I discovered there was to be a funeral, and was asked to officiate.
在我进入第一座教堂后的第一个星期日，我发现要举行葬礼，并被要求主持。
On asking who was dead, I learned it was a child of seven days whose mother had died in the county poorhouse, and the accident of whose advent into the world was in defiance of at least one item of the decalogue.
在询问死者是谁时，我得知这是一个出生七天的孩子，他的母亲在县济贫院去世，而他降生的意外事件至少违背了十诫中的一项。
I thought, of course there would be no mourners.
我想，当然不会有哀悼者。
OK.
好的。
So the setup's a little dark.
所以设定有点暗。
But then, to the clergyman's surprise, a whole crowd of mourners show up.
但随后，令牧师惊讶的是，一大群哀悼者出现了。
They bring food--
他们带来食物——
And a real picnic scene outspread itself around the church.
真正的野餐场景在教堂周围展开。
It was the sexton who, on seeing my surprise, explained in all seriousness, "You see, parson, there has been neither a lynching nor a wedding in this section for so long, that the people have to make the most they can out of a funeral."
教堂教堂司事看到我的惊讶，严肃地解释道：“你看，牧师，这个地区已经很久没有私刑或婚礼了，所以人们必须充分利用葬礼。”
OK, that didn't work.
好吧，那没用。
So I turned to a more contemporary source, a book called The Funny Side of Death, published in 2008.
因此，我转向了更现代的资料来源，一本 2008 年出版的书，名为《死亡的有趣一面》。
The author is a retired funeral home owner who says his sense of humor helped him cope with the job.
作者是一位退休殡仪馆老板，他说他的幽默感帮助他应对了这份工作。
On page 97, for example, he explains how dead people's hip replacements, which are metal and stay intact after cremation, can be, quote, "shined up and presented to friends as letter openers."
例如，在第 97 页，他解释了死者的髋关节置换物（它们是金属的，火葬后保持完整）如何“闪闪发光并作为开信刀赠送给朋友”。
At this point, I started making phone calls, first to the National Funeral Director's Association.
这时，我开始打电话，首先是给全国殡葬师协会。
I told them what I was looking for, and they said they had the perfect person to help me.
我告诉他们我在寻找什么，他们说他们有一个完美的人来帮助我。
And next thing I knew, I was on hold, waiting to talk to a funeral director in Decatur, Illinois named Randy Earl.
接下来我就知道，我正在等待与伊利诺伊州迪凯特一位名叫兰迪·厄尔（Randy Earl）的葬礼承办人交谈。
You know, nothing puts me in the mood for a humorous anecdote like the stuff they play when on hold at the funeral home.
你知道，没有什么比他们在殡仪馆等待时播放的东西更能让我有心情听幽默轶事的了。
At Brintlinger and Earl Funeral Homes, we wanted to let you know about pre-arrangement planning.
在布林林格和伯爵殡仪馆，我们想让您了解有关预先安排计划的信息。
It's an easy way for you to take the worry of your burial or cremation needs away from your loved ones during the very difficult time--
这是一种简单的方法，可以让您在非常困难的时刻摆脱您所爱的人对埋葬或火葬需求的担忧——
Hello, this is Randy.
你好，我是兰迪。
Lisa Pollak Randy said he'd been expecting my call, and that he had a great story.
丽莎·波拉克·兰迪说他一直在等我的电话，而且他有一个很棒的故事。
It was about a man who came in one day to make prearrangements for his funeral.
这是关于一个男人有一天进来为他的葬礼做预先安排的故事。
The man had his kids with him, and one of the things they all talked about was what music to play at the man's service.
这个男人带着他的孩子们在一起，他们谈论的事情之一就是为这个男人播放什么音乐。
I said, what's your favorite song?
我说，你最喜欢哪首歌？
And he said, well, "Silent Night." And the kids laughed.
他说，嗯，“平安夜”。孩子们笑了。
They sort of laughed at him.
他们有点嘲笑他。
And even the daughter, she said, well, Dad, what is it with "Silent Night"?
就连女儿，她也说，爸爸，《平安夜》是怎么回事？
And he said, well, it was at the end of the war, and they had just declared the war over.
他说，嗯，那是在战争结束时，他们刚刚宣布战争结束。
And I was sitting in a foxhole.
我坐在一个散兵坑里。
The first song I heard was "Silent Night," and that's my favorite song.
我听到的第一首歌是《平安夜》，这是我最喜欢的歌曲。
And I said, well, Bob, we'll use that at your funeral service.
我说，好吧，鲍勃，我们会在你的葬礼上使用它。
As fate would have it, the man died in July.
命运如此安排，这个人于七月去世了。
And at the church where the service was supposed to be, the whole "Silent Night" idea wasn't going over so well.
在原本举行仪式的教堂里，整个“平安夜”的想法并没有得到很好的接受。
The church organist calls me.
教堂的管风琴师打电话给我。
And he said, that's not even in our liturgy.
他说，这甚至不在我们的礼拜仪式中。
And he said, I'm not playing "Silent Night" when you're exiting a church.
他说，当你离开教堂时，我不会播放《平安夜》。
So I sat there for a minute and I said, well, I might have to get another organist.
所以我坐在那里一分钟，我说，好吧，我可能需要再找一位风琴师。
But I promised him that we're going to do this, and somehow, I am going to do this.
但我向他保证我们会这么做，而且不知何故，我会这么做。
So we go to church.
所以我们去教堂。
We have the funeral mass.
我们举行葬礼弥撒。
And the priest told the story.
牧师讲述了这个故事。
Bob requested that this song be played, because it was his favorite song.
鲍勃请求播放这首歌，因为这是他最喜欢的歌曲。
And he was in a foxhole when he heard that the war was over, and this was the song he heard played right after that.
当他听说战争结束时，他正在一个散兵坑里，这就是他听到的那首歌。
And it's the middle of July.
现在是七月中旬。
He played that very softly as we exited the church, and they started singing very quietly.
当我们离开教堂时，他非常轻柔地演奏了这首歌，他们开始非常安静地唱歌。
And it was the most moving, powerful thing that I've experienced in a long, long time.
这是我很长一段时间以来经历过的最令人感动、最有力的事情。
[MUSIC - "SILENT NIGHT"] Lisa Pollak But not a funny story?
[音乐 - “平安夜”] Lisa Pollak 但这不是一个有趣的故事吗？
No, no!
不，不！
It's not a funny story.
这不是一个有趣的故事。
It's not a funny story.
这不是一个有趣的故事。
It's a real story.
这是一个真实的故事。
If you're looking for funny, I'm probably not your guy.
如果你正在寻找有趣的东西，我可能不是你的人。
Because I'm not a funny guy with my work.
因为我的工作并不是一个有趣的人。
Even if I did have something in my repertoire, I would not put it out on the radio.
即使我的曲目中确实有一些东西，我也不会把它放在广播中。
I just wouldn't do it.
我只是不会这么做。
It turns out that in the funeral business, humor can be a touchy subject.
事实证明，在殡葬行业，幽默是一个敏感的话题。
As Ron Hast, publisher of Mortuary Management Magazine, told me--
正如太平间管理杂志的出版商罗恩·哈斯特告诉我的那样——
There's always people who are trying to make fun.
总有人试图取笑。
Oh, I understood that everyone's dying to come to you.
哦，我知道每个人都渴望来找你。
Ha, ha, ha.
哈哈哈。
I've heard it 5,000 times, and they think it's so funny, and they laugh, and whatever.
我已经听了 5000 遍了，他们觉得这很有趣，他们笑了，等等。
Well, it's just stupid, is what it is.
好吧，这只是愚蠢的，就是这样。
It's not funny.
这不好笑。
Ron Hast It's not funny.
罗恩·哈斯特 这并不好笑。
Ron spent so much time warning me about the pitfalls of this story idea-- how funny things don't really happen that often in his business, how outsiders like me tend to exaggerate and embellish, that when he actually gave me exactly what I was looking for, I was afraid to react.
罗恩花了很多时间警告我这个故事想法的陷阱——在他的行业中，有趣的事情并不经常发生，像我这样的局外人如何倾向于夸大和修饰，以至于当他真正给了我我想要的东西时，我不敢做出反应。
Instead of laughing, I asked a dumb question that killed his whole punchline.
我没有笑，而是问了一个愚蠢的问题，毁掉了他的笑点。
There was a lady who was sitting at a funeral, and she had had her father's funeral in the same funeral home about a month before.
有一位女士正在参加葬礼，大约一个月前，她在同一家殡仪馆举行了她父亲的葬礼。
And she happened to notice that the funeral director there, doing this funeral, that was another person, that he was wearing her father's tie.
她碰巧注意到，主持这场葬礼的葬礼承办人是另一个人，他系着她父亲的领带。
And what had happened was, she realized that when he went and shut the casket down, out of the view of the family, he liked the tie too, and took it off, and closed the lid, and kept it for himself.
发生的事情是，她意识到，当他去关上棺材，在家人看不到的地方时，他也喜欢这条领带，然后把它脱下来，盖上盖子，留给自己。
They went so far as to have the grave open to prove that he had taken it, and sued him.
他们甚至打开坟墓来证明他占领了它，并起诉了他。
And he lost, I'm guessing?
我猜他输了？
Ron Hast I don't know what the outcome is.
罗恩·哈斯特 我不知道结果是什么。
But you know, you don't follow all that stuff through.
但你知道，你不会遵循所有这些事情。
At this point, I gave on funeral directors and called a Lutheran minister I know.
此时，我请了殡葬承办人，并打电话给我认识的一位路德教会牧师。
His name is Duke Fries.
他的名字叫杜克·弗里斯。
Pastor Fries told me a story about the time he finished doing a funeral service and made this dignified exit in front of a room full of people, only to realize--
弗里斯牧师给我讲了一个故事，有一次他完成葬礼，在满屋子的人面前庄重地退出，却发现——
That I had chosen the wrong door, that I was now in a closet.
我选错了门，我现在在壁橱里。
And I wasn't sure whether to step back out with all these people watching, or just stay in this closet until I heard them moving around, which is, in fact, what I did.
我不确定是否要在所有这些人的注视下退出，或者只是呆在这个壁橱里，直到我听到他们走来走去，事实上，这就是我所做的。
Finally, I was getting somewhere.
终于，我有所收获。
I kept at it, and before long, I had more stories than I knew what to do with.
我坚持下去，不久之后，我的故事就多得我不知道该怎么办。
There was the overzealous mourner who fell into the grave during the funeral, a woman who wanted to be buried topless to show off her breast job, and a funeral home worker who lifted a woman out of her bed only realize that her husband, in the next bed over, was the dead one.
有一位过分热心的哀悼者在葬礼期间掉进了坟墓，一位妇女想赤裸上身下葬以炫耀她的乳房工作，还有一位殡仪馆工作人员将一名妇女从床上抱起来，却发现她的丈夫就在隔壁床上，死者就是死者。
But I wasn't so sure any of these were what my mom was looking for.
但我不太确定这些是否是我妈妈正在寻找的东西。
None of them were like that funeral she went to, where--
没有一个像她参加的葬礼那样，那里——
I was busting a gut!
我当时真是气坏了！
I was laughing so hard.
我笑得很厉害。
I was just about to give up looking when our intern, Brian Reed, told me I had to call his friend Rob.
当我正要放弃寻找时，我们的实习生布莱恩·里德告诉我，我必须给他的朋友罗布打电话。
So I did.
所以我做到了。
And after that, I made one last call.
之后，我打了最后一个电话。
So you know how I've been looking for funny funeral stories?
所以你知道我是如何寻找有趣的葬礼故事的吗？
Uh huh.
嗯嗯。
Lisa Pollak I have one I want to play for you.
丽莎·波拉克（Lisa Pollak） 我想为你演奏一首。
OK.
好的。
Lisa Pollak Um, what's that in the background?
Lisa Pollak 嗯，背景是什么？
Oh.
哦。
So there's going to be two people telling the story.
所以会有两个人来讲述这个故事。
Their names are Rob and Andrea.
他们的名字是罗布和安德里亚。
They're married, the funeral is for Andrea's grandmother.
他们结婚了，葬礼是为安德里亚的祖母举行的。
It takes place in a Ukrainian church, and they don't totally know what's going on, because the priest is speaking Ukrainian.
事情发生在乌克兰的一座教堂里，他们完全不知道发生了什么，因为牧师说的是乌克兰语。
OK.
好的。
Andrea And the first thing that got us silly was that the priest looks exactly like Bill Murray.
安德里亚 首先让我们感到愚蠢的是，牧师看起来和比尔·默里一模一样。
Like, exactly.
就像，完全一样。
Like Bill Murray circa Meatballs , with the hair sticking up and the-- so they started the service, and it's all in Ukrainian.
就像 Bill Murray 的《肉丸》一样，头发竖起来，所以他们开始提供服务，而且都是乌克兰语。
I mean, they're not speaking any English whatsoever.
我的意思是，他们根本不会说英语。
So the priest decides he's going to start speaking in a little bit of English, and he's reading-- apparently it's custom in the Ukrainian church, if someone passes away, you give a donation to the church in that person's name.
所以神父决定开始说一点英语，然后他开始阅读——显然这是乌克兰教堂的习俗，如果有人去世，你就以那个人的名义向教堂捐款。
So he literally is listing off the people's names and how much they gave to the church.
所以他实际上是在列出人们的名字以及他们给教会捐了多少钱。
And it was a good amount, he kind of smiles, he's like, "Maister Zeslinsky, $50." He gives a little smile.
这是一个很大的数目，他微笑着说，“泽斯林斯基大师，50 美元。”他微微一笑。
And if it was like a low amount, he's like, you know, "The Zogrokskis, five dollar." And he gives like a disappointing look, like oh, not good, you know?
如果金额很小，他就会说，“Zogrokskis 一家，五美元。”他看起来很失望，就像哦，不好，你知道吗？
And he's doing this whole list, over and over, he goes through this whole list of money, and you know, people are adding up the money in their head.
他一遍又一遍地做这整个清单，他浏览了整个金钱清单，你知道，人们在头脑中把钱加起来。
So then he decides he's going to do a little bit of a eulogy.
然后他决定写一点悼词。
Yeah.
是的。
He does a eulogy in English, for us, because he knows that we really don't speak Ukrainian.
他用英语为我们致悼词，因为他知道我们真的不会说乌克兰语。
So he comes right in front of us, and he says--
所以他就来到我们面前，他说——
And Andrea's maiden name is Drobish, D R O B I S H.
安德里亚的娘家姓是 Drobish，D R O B I S H。
And that was my grandmother's name, was Barbara Drobish.
那是我祖母的名字，芭芭拉·德罗比什。
So he comes right in front of us, and he says--
所以他就来到我们面前，他说——
He says, "Barbara Drobish was a good lay!
他说：“芭芭拉·德罗比什打得很好！
Dee!"
迪！”
And that just killed us!
那简直要了我们的命！
Rob "She tried so hard to be a good lay-- dee!" So then Andrea's sister and her, they start to laugh, and they're shaking when they're laughing, and they're trembling.
罗布“她非常努力地想成为一个好人——天啊！”然后安德里亚的姐姐和她，他们开始笑，笑的时候他们在发抖，他们在颤抖。
And I think people, especially the people in the Ukrainian church, thought they were literally crying, like, weeping very hard.
我认为人们，尤其是乌克兰教会的人们，认为他们真的在哭泣，哭得很厉害。
So the people from the Ukrainian church are now coming and surrounding them, and hugging them.
所以乌克兰教会的人们现在过来包围他们，拥抱他们。
"Oh, the poor grandchildren!" And they're crying, which is making us laugh.
“哦，可怜的孙子们！”他们在哭，这让我们发笑。
Everyone is crying except us, who are laughing hysterically, and trying to hide the fact that we're laughing, and trying not to mock the Ukrainian church.
每个人都在哭，除了我们，我们歇斯底里地大笑，并试图掩盖我们在笑的事实，并试图不嘲笑乌克兰教会。
So that's our--
这就是我们的——
And that's the funny story.
这就是有趣的故事。
Lisa's Mom I like it!
丽莎的妈妈我喜欢！
You like it?
你喜欢吗？
Lisa's Mom I think it's funny.
丽莎的妈妈我觉得这很有趣。
It reminded me of a Seinfeld .
这让我想起了宋飞传。
So she didn't bust a gut.
所以她并没有伤透脑筋。
But maybe for my mom, that only happens at funerals.
但也许对我妈妈来说，这只发生在葬礼上。
Really funny!
真的很有趣！
Julie Snyder Wait, I don't get the final line.
朱莉·斯奈德 等等，我没听懂最后一句话。
The last line was, she didn't bust a gut, but she only does that at funerals.
最后一句是，她并没有崩溃，但她只在葬礼上这样做。
But she did bust a gut.
但她确实破了胆。
Lisa Pollak No, she didn't bust a gut.
丽莎·波拉克：不，她并没有崩溃。
That's the problem.
这就是问题所在。
She laughed!
她笑了！
Alex Blumberg I feel like you guys are dwelling on the last one.
Alex Blumberg 我觉得你们都在思考最后一个。
That was amazing.
太棒了。
That was great.
那很棒。
Julie Snyder I wasn't dwelling.
朱莉·斯奈德 我不在家。
I just, there was a moment I was confused.
我只是，有一瞬间我很困惑。
I'm nervous.
我很紧张。
Lisa Pollak Yeah, I know!
丽莎·波拉克 是的，我知道！
Beat that.
击败那个。
I know!
我知道！
You reported the crap out of it.
你报告了其中的废话。
That was what made it so amazing.
这就是它如此令人惊奇的原因。
No. I did some reporting, but I thought that was going to be my strong suit.
不。我做了一些报道，但我认为那将是我的强项。
I was like, well, my story sucks, but I did some reporting.
我当时想，好吧，我的故事很糟糕，但我还是做了一些报道。
But I didn't do as much reporting as you did.
但我没有像你做的那么多报道。
All right.
好的。
Well, our next story is from Nancy Updike, who recorded this story, but couldn't be here with us.
好吧，我们的下一个故事来自南希·厄普代克，她记录了这个故事，但无法和我们在一起。
I talked to my dad.
我和我爸爸谈过。
He pitched me this idea a year ago, actually.
事实上，他一年前就向我提出了这个想法。
Kind of caught me off-guard with this one.
这让我有点措手不及。
The Erie Canal.
伊利运河。
What about the Erie Canal?
伊利运河呢？
Nancy's Dad Well, you know, it's a famous old waterway, dug with a lot of brutal labor, manual labor, a lot of it, and it was a tremendous feat of engineering, and generated lots of songs, and there was traffic that went along it, and things like that.
南希的爸爸嗯，你知道，这是一条著名的古老水道，用大量残酷的劳动、体力劳动挖成，这是一项巨大的工程壮举，产生了很多歌曲，沿着它有交通，等等。
But it didn't last very long.
但这种情况并没有持续多久。
I mean, the railroads came, and then the trucks came, and water transport went out of fashion.
我的意思是，铁路出现了，然后卡车出现了，水运就不再流行了。
You know.
你知道。
And the question is kind of, what's become of it?
问题是，它变成了什么样子？
And before I answer that question, I just want to quickly remind our listeners of everything they, of course, already know about the Canal.
在回答这个问题之前，我只想快速提醒我们的听众，他们当然已经了解了有关运河的一切。
Longest canal in the U.S., when it was built.
美国最长的运河建成时。
363 miles.
363 英里。
Linking Lake Erie and the rest of the Great Lakes to the Atlantic via the Hudson River, dug by hand, with shovels and pre-industrial tools, before our country was even 50 years old.
在我们国家成立 50 年前，人们就用铲子和工业化前的工具，通过哈德逊河将伊利湖和五大湖的其他部分与大西洋连接起来。
And it was our first big success in physically uniting the United States by connecting the built-up east coast with the midwest.
这是我们通过连接东海岸和中西部在实体上统一美国方面取得的第一次巨大成功。
This is Craig Williams, curator at the New York State Museum.
我是克雷格·威廉姆斯，纽约州立博物馆馆长。
It must have been tremendously exciting.
这一定是非常令人兴奋的。
They were doing something unprecedented.
他们正在做一些前所未有的事情。
They were building a canal to the moon.
他们正在修建一条通往月球的运河。
And it must've been tremendously confidence-building for a society that was still an incredibly young republic that they could pull something like this off.
对于一个仍然是一个非常年轻的共和国的社会来说，他们能够完成这样的事情一定是极大地建立了信心。
So I did find out what became of the canal, and some things you just cannot express in words alone.
所以我确实了解了运河的情况，以及一些无法仅用语言表达的事情。
The canal is too big, so I wrote a song with my friend, Dave Hill.
运河太大了，所以我和我的朋友戴夫·希尔写了一首歌。
Easy, easy!
容易，容易！
Craig Williams They were building a canal to the moon.
克雷格·威廉姆斯 他们正在修建一条通往月球的运河。
A canal to the moon.
一条通往月球的运河。
[SINGING] What do you do with a canal to the moon, when the railroad gets to there a lot more soon?
[唱歌] 当铁路很快就能到达月球时，你会用一条通往月球的运河做什么？
You'd rather drive your car, anyway.
无论如何，你宁愿开你的车。
And you don't want to go from Buffalo to Albany.
而且您不想从布法罗去奥尔巴尼。
But let's say you're a nuclear power plant, and you need massive concrete containers for your spent fuel rods.
但是，假设您是一座核电站，并且需要大型混凝土容器来存放乏燃料棒。
You could do a lot worse than shipping via the Erie Canal.
你可以做得比通过伊利运河运输更糟糕。
It's still in use.
至今仍在使用。
Nancy Updike [SINGING] So you call up Rob Goldman at the New York Sate Marines Transportation Authority, because--
南希·厄普代克 [唱歌] 所以你给纽约州海军陆战队运输管理局的罗布·戈德曼打电话，因为——
If you want to go from New York to Montreal, it could save you a thousand miles.
如果您想从纽约飞往蒙特利尔，可以节省一千英里。
True.
真的。
Rob Goldman It could save you a thousand miles.
Rob Goldman 它可以为您节省一千英里。
He already said that.
他已经说过了。
Nancy Updike [SINGING] But what do you do with a canal to the moon when your town or your city has passed its industrial boom?
南希·厄普代克 [唱歌] 但是，当你所在的城镇或城市已经过了工业繁荣期时，你会如何处理通往月球的运河呢？
No more million of tons of cargo floating by.
不再有百万吨货物飘过。
[SPEAKING] More like thousands.
[谈话] 大约有数千人。
Better than nothing, but still.
但总比没有好。
How about this, though?
不过这个怎么样？
You could hike, you could bike.
你可以徒步旅行，你可以骑自行车。
The trail is now being completed across the state.
该步道目前正在全州完成。
[SINGING] He's talking about a 360 mile trail alongside the canal system that's two-thirds complete.
[唱歌] 他正在谈论沿着运河系统的一条 360 英里的小路，目前已完成三分之二。
Quite a feat!
真是一个壮举！
And don't forget--
并且不要忘记——
In many places, the locks are parks, so you could just go and have a cookout.
在很多地方，船闸都是公园，所以你可以去野餐。
There are tables there.
那里有桌子。
You could read a book, take a nap, go to a restaurant, bring your kids, feed the ducks.
你可以看书、小睡、去餐馆、带上你的孩子、喂鸭子。
Ducks?
鸭子？
Everyone likes ducks.
每个人都喜欢鸭子。
Dave Hill I like ducks.
戴夫·希尔 我喜欢鸭子。
It just goes on and on.
它就这样一直持续下去。
Nancy Updike [SINGING] And on and on and on and on and on and on and on.
南希·厄普代克 [唱歌] 等等，等等，等等，等等。
What do you do with a canal to the moon when some people, maybe you, complain three, four times a year, in op-ed, up in Rochester, saying--
当有些人，也许是你，每年在罗彻斯特的专栏中抱怨三四次时，你会怎么处理通往月球的运河，他们说——
Why are we spending all this money for rich people to take their yachts from Florida to Lake Erie?
为什么我们要花这么多钱让富人把他们的游艇从佛罗里达州开到伊利湖？
[SINGING] But here's what you do with a canal to the moon.
[唱歌]但这就是你对通往月球的运河所做的事情。
Put a canoe in it, or a tire, or a kayak--
把独木舟放进去，或者轮胎，或者皮划艇——
Or like a floaty lawn chair.
或者像一张漂浮的草坪椅。
Nancy Updike Go ice fishing.
南希·厄普代克 去冰钓。
Play hockey.
打曲棍球。
It's water.
这是水。
This one guy was telling me the canal was makeout city.
这个人告诉我运河是一个狂欢之城。
[SINGING] That's what you do with a canal to the moon.
[唱歌] 这就是你对通往月球的运河所做的事情。
[SPEAKING] It was the eighth wonder of the world when it was built.
[演讲]它建成时是世界第八大奇迹。
You're not just going to fill it with concrete.
你不只是要用混凝土填充它。
We nailed it.
我们成功了。
Ira Glass Well everybody, what do you think?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 那么大家觉得怎么样？
Nancy Updike, with Dave Hill, by the way.
顺便说一下，南希·厄普代克和戴夫·希尔。
I think it's great.
我认为这很棒。
Jane Feltes I don't know, I mean, I know kind of a little more about the Erie Canal, but I still can't picture the--
简·费尔特斯：我不知道，我的意思是，我对伊利运河了解更多一些，但我仍然无法想象——
Yeah, I agree.
是的，我同意。
I feel like I don't really know anything, actually, about the Erie Canal.
我觉得我对伊利运河实际上一无所知。
I think you guys are missing the point of this story.
我认为你们没有抓住这个故事的重点。
That was kickass!
太棒了！
She wrote a song!
她写了一首歌！
And performed it!
并且表演了！
All right.
好的。
Well, our next story is from Alex Blumberg.
好吧，我们的下一个故事来自亚历克斯·布隆伯格。
My dad doesn't watch much TV.
我爸爸不怎么看电视。
He hates sports.
他讨厌运动。
He's an atheist.
他是一个无神论者。
His main pastime is reading.
他的主要消遣是读书。
Books on Buddhism, philosophy.
佛教、哲学书籍。
He loves William Blake and science books and left-leaning blogs.
他喜欢威廉·布莱克、科学书籍和左倾博客。
And his story ideas, they're generally big and abstract.
他的故事创意一般都是宏大而抽象的。
For example, when I called them for this project the other night, one idea he thought I should do a story about is the idea of coming out of the closet.
例如，有一天晚上，当我为这个项目打电话给他们时，他认为我应该写一个故事来讲述出柜的想法。
This idea has been so key, he said, in advancing the cause of gay rights, and he wanted me to do a story about how other groups should adopt the tactics of coming out in order to seek mainstream acceptance.
他说，这个想法对于推进同性恋权利事业至关重要，他希望我写一个故事，讲述其他群体应该如何采取出柜策略来寻求主流接受。
What other groups?
还有哪些团体？
Atheists.
无神论者。
Also, people who don't like sports.
还有不喜欢运动的人。
His other idea, at least initially, seemed equally as unpromising.
他的另一个想法，至少一开始，似乎同样没有希望。
The fact that law treats corporations as if they were people.
事实上，法律将公司视为人。
He'd been thinking about the idea of corporate personhood for years, but it was especially on his mind during the conversation I had with him, which took place just a couple of days after that Supreme Court decision overturning large parts of campaign finance law.
多年来，他一直在思考企业人格的概念，但在我与他的谈话中，他尤其想到了这个问题，这次谈话发生在最高法院推翻大部分竞选财务法的裁决几天后。
That decision, the Citizens United case, basically said there is no distinction between a corporation spending a lot of money on a campaign and a regular person doing it.
公民联合案的这一判决基本上表明，在一项活动上花费大量资金的公司与普通人进行这项活动没有区别。
In the eyes of the law, the corporation can buy as many ads as it wants.
从法律的角度来看，公司可以购买任意数量的广告。
To my dad, that seems crazy and dangerous.
对我父亲来说，这似乎很疯狂而且危险。
We've kind of created these Goliaths, these Godzillas, parading around as if they were people.
我们创造了这些歌利亚、这些哥斯拉，像人一样四处游行。
But in fact, they have a kind of power that no individual person could ever begin to amass.
但事实上，他们拥有一种任何个人都无法积累的力量。
Right.
正确的。
Alex's Dad So there is this entity called Exxon Corporation, and you read newspaper stories about Exxon says, or Exxon was furious.
亚历克斯的爸爸 所以有一个叫做埃克森公司的实体，你读到关于埃克森公司的报纸故事说，或者埃克森公司很愤怒。
You've never read a sentence that said "Exxon was furious." Have you?
你从来没有读过一句话说“埃克森很愤怒”。你？
Well, Exxon was upset.
好吧，埃克森很沮丧。
Alex Blumberg So who should I talk to, though?
Alex Blumberg 那么我应该和谁谈谈呢？
Well, I think that's the story idea.
嗯，我想这就是故事的想法。
Is who do you talk to?
你在跟谁说话？
Who becomes the voice of Exxon?
谁成为埃克森美孚的代言人？
So the idea would be, I would call-- I would try-- it would be in search of Exxon.
所以我的想法是，我会打电话——我会尝试——寻找埃克森美孚。
In search of Exxon.
寻找埃克森。
Who is this?
这是谁？
We treat them as a person.
我们将他们视为一个人。
And who do they think they are?
他们认为自己是谁？
Who do you think you are!
你以为你是谁啊！
All right.
好的。
I will try to do that.
我会尝试这样做。
I'll try to find out who Exxon thinks they are.
我会试着找出埃克森认为他们是谁。
I'm not going to lie.
我不会撒谎。
This didn't go well.
这并不顺利。
I called Exxon, spoke to a media relations person there, told her about how my dad and I had this conversation, and I wanted to find out who Exxon thought it was.
我打电话给埃克森，与那里的一位媒体关系人员交谈，告诉她我和我父亲是如何进行这次谈话的，我想知道埃克森认为是谁。
The lady was very nice, but she said she didn't see any reason Exxon would ever want to talk to me about this.
这位女士非常友善，但她说她看不出埃克森有任何理由想和我谈论这件事。
In this way, Exxon is just like a lot of people.
从这一点来说，埃克森就和很多人一样。
If they don't want to talk to the media, you can't really make them.
如果他们不想接受媒体采访，你就无法真正做到这一点。
I called around to other multinational corporations.
我给其他跨国公司打了电话。
Same answer.
同样的答案。
Then I tried the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the trade group for most of American business.
然后我尝试了美国商会，这是大多数美国企业的贸易组织。
The guy there was a little bit more receptive, and he called me back with the name-- Eugene Volokh.
那里的那个人比较容易接受，他给我回了电话，名字是尤金·沃洛克。
He's the guy you should talk to.
他是你应该与之交谈的人。
Although when I reached Eugene Volokh, he couldn't explain why the Chamber of Commerce sent me to him.
尽管当我找到尤金·沃洛克时，他无法解释为什么商会派我去找他。
You know, I am not sure.
你知道，我不确定。
I think somebody at the Chamber of Commerce reads my blog.
我认为商会里有人读了我的博客。
So Eugene Volokh turns out not to be a spokesman for corporate America in any way.
因此，尤金·沃洛克无论如何都不是美国企业界的代言人。
He's a charming libertarian-leaning law professor at UCLA.
他是加州大学洛杉矶分校一位迷人的、倾向自由主义的法学教授。
He runs a popular blog called the Volokh Conspiracy, though he's written a lot about constitutional issues in the Citizens United case.
他经营着一个名为“沃洛克阴谋”的热门博客，尽管他写了很多有关公民联合案中宪法问题的文章。
And the more we talked, the more I had to let go of my Michael Moore dreams-- asking stunty questions designed to expose the fallacy of corporate personhood, such as, what's Exxon's favorite color?
我们聊得越多，我就越不得不放弃迈克尔·摩尔的梦想——提出一些旨在揭露企业人格谬误的低俗问题，比如，埃克森美孚最喜欢的颜色是什么？
Or what does Exxon want for Christmas?
或者埃克森想要什么圣诞节礼物？
Or who's Exxon's favorite Beatle?
或者埃克森最喜欢的披头士乐队成员是谁？
That line of questioning, Eugene Volokh told me in so many words, is stupid.
尤金·沃洛克多次告诉我，这种提问是愚蠢的。
Corporations are generally seen as having many constitutional rights, but it's not because somehow they're metaphysically persons.
公司通常被视为拥有许多宪法权利，但这并不是因为它们在某种程度上是形而上学的人。
It's because restricting corporations in various ways restricts the rights of persons.
这是因为以各种方式限制公司也就限制了个人的权利。
It restricts the rights of their owners, and it restricts, perhaps, the rights of others.
它限制了其所有者的权利，也许还限制了其他人的权利。
Others being, for example, people who want to hear what the corporation has to say.
例如，其他人想听听公司的意见。
All right.
好的。
I'm just going to stop here and say, by the time I got to this point in my conversation with Eugene Volokh, I already knew that the story my dad wanted me to do was in trouble.
我只想在这里停下来说，当我与尤金·沃洛克谈话时，我已经知道我父亲想让我做的故事遇到了麻烦。
So Dad, if you don't mind, I took up a different question.
爸爸，如果您不介意的话，我提出了另一个问题。
The question I took up is this.
我提出的问题是这样的。
How worried should he be about the Citizens United case?
他应该对公民联合案有多担心？
OK.
好的。
A little background on the idea of corporations as people.
关于公司作为人这一理念的一些背景知识。
When it comes to property rights, corporations are basically the same as you and I.
在产权方面，企业基本上和你我一样。
The government can't take away their property without due process.
未经正当程序，政府不能拿走他们的财产。
That's protected under the fourteenth amendment.
这受到第十四修正案的保护。
But when it comes to something the fifth amendment, which says, you can't be forced to incriminate yourself in a court of law, corporations are not covered.
但当谈到第五修正案时，即你不能被迫在法庭上自证其罪，公司就不受保护。
All those TV dramas and congressional hearings where people plead the fifth?
所有那些人们为第五次辩护的电视剧和国会听证会？
Exxon can't do that.
埃克森不能这么做。
So corporations are legally like people in some respects, and unlike them in others.
因此，在法律上，公司在某些方面与人相似，但在其他方面又与人不同。
And it's in this context that the issue of corporate spending on campaigns comes up.
正是在这种背景下，企业的竞选支出问题出现了。
The Supreme Court has dealt with this issue a handful of times over the last century--
最高法院在上个世纪已经多次处理过这个问题——
OK.
好的。
Stop the tape.
停止播放磁带。
Stop the tape.
停止播放磁带。
OK.
好的。
I'm just going to point out what's going on here.
我只是想指出这里发生了什么。
Paul, our engineer, with all due respect, briefly fell asleep.
恕我直言，我们的工程师保罗短暂地睡着了。
Alex, meanwhile, had to leave to go to a meeting for his other-- he works on Planet Money , and they had a big meeting, so he's not even here to defend himself.
与此同时，亚历克斯不得不离开去参加他的另一个人的会议——他在 Planet Money 工作，他们开了一个大型会议，所以他甚至没有在这里为自己辩护。
I just, I stopped-- yeah.
我只是，我停了下来——是的。
I went somewhere else.
我去了别的地方。
Well, I know, no. And we did an edit on it the other day and I said, in this section, like, I didn't follow it at all.
嗯，我知道，不。前几天我们对其进行了编辑，我说，在这一部分中，我根本没有遵循它。
And then Ira said that that was because--
然后艾拉说那是因为——
That was a joke!
那是个笑话！
Lisa Pollak I just want to say that I really did like that he took his dad's idea and said it didn't work, I'm going to redirect, do my own idea.
丽莎·波拉克（Lisa Pollak）我只想说，我真的很喜欢他接受了他父亲的想法，并说这不起作用，我要重新调整方向，做我自己的想法。
I thought that was a very clever-- I did think he's a good son to take it on.
我认为这是一个非常聪明的人——我确实认为他是一个接受这个挑战的好儿子。
So.
所以。
They should be proud that he just did such a boring--
他们应该为他做了这么无聊的事而感到自豪——
All right.
好吧。
So it's looking very, very bad for Alex in our competition.
因此，亚历克斯在我们的比赛中看起来非常非常糟糕。
Coming up-- more stories pitched by our parents, who by the way, we all love very, very, very much.
即将推出——更多由我们的父母讲述的故事，顺便说一句，我们都非常非常非常喜欢他们。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life from Ira Glass.
这就是艾拉·格拉斯的《美国生活》。
It is our 400th episode, and if you're just tuning in, we're doing something very different.
这是我们的第 400 集，如果您刚刚收听，我们正在做一些非常不同的事情。
After all these years of family members pitching us stories for the show, this week we actually go out and make the stories that our family members pitched.
经过这么多年的家庭成员为我们的节目推销故事之后，本周我们实际上出去制作了我们的家庭成员推销的故事。
The staff of the radio show and I are sitting here in our office meeting room-- hi everybody, again.
我和广播节目的工作人员坐在我们的办公室会议室里——大家好，再次。
We're listening to each of the stories, and at the end of the hour, we're going to decide which story was best, which parent pitched the best story.
我们正在聆听每个故事，在一小时结束时，我们将决定哪个故事最好，哪位家长提出了最好的故事。
Whoever it is will get a prize.
无论是谁都会获得奖品。
We're also asking you to vote online at thisamericanlife.org.
我们还要求您在 thisamericanlife.org 上进行在线投票。
Our next story up is from producer Robyn Semien.
我们的下一个故事来自制片人罗宾·塞米恩 (Robyn Semien)。
When I asked my dad to think of an idea he'd like to pitch, he took it to mean one thing.
当我让父亲想出一个他想要推销的想法时，他认为这意味着一件事。
A clear opportunity to tell his favorite story.
这是一个讲述他最喜欢的故事的明显机会。
Believe it or not, this is all the way back in 1950.
不管你信不信，这已经是 1950 年的事了。
That's right.
没错。
1950.
1950年。
So this is before--
所以这是之前——
It's like before the invention of fire, Dad.
就像火发明之前一样，爸爸。
You're making this sound like--
你让这听起来像——
This story usually takes him a little over an hour to tell.
这个故事通常需要他一个多小时才能讲完。
it's about how he souped up a car when he was 20.
这是关于他 20 岁时如何改装汽车的故事。
But before he tells you about that car, he always tells you about another car, his starter car, a 1953 Oldsmobile.
但在告诉你那辆车之前，他总是会告诉你另一辆车，他的入门车，一辆 1953 年的奥兹莫比尔。
When he was growing up in Richmond, California, which is near Oakland, there was a fad among teens to take some chrome off a car and paint primer where the chrome used to be.
当他在奥克兰附近的加利福尼亚州里士满长大时，青少年中流行一种从汽车上取下一些镀铬物并在原来镀铬物的地方涂上底漆的时尚。
My dad took the trend a step further.
我父亲将这一趋势更进一步。
He took the door handles off his car-- that's right, the door handles-- and painted circles of gray primer where the handles used to be.
他把车门把手从车上拆下来——没错，就是门把手——并在原来把手所在的地方涂上了灰色底漆。
That would have been cool.
那会很酷。
There wasn't a whole lot of people running around that had cars that didn't have door handles on them, and naturally, they'd want to know, how do you open the door?
没有很多人开着没有门把手的汽车，自然地，他们想知道，你如何打开门？
You'd open the door, or my dad would open the door, by pressing the button he'd hidden in the chrome trim of the car.
你可以打开车门，或者我爸爸也可以通过按下他隐藏在汽车镀铬装饰中的按钮来打开车门。
It was an electric button that triggered a solenoid which released the door latch.
这是一个电动按钮，可触发螺线管，从而释放门锁。
My dad was obsessed with electronics, and wondered what else in the car he could trick out.
我父亲对电子产品很着迷，他想知道他还能在车里装点什么。
The radio, the lights.
收音机，灯光。
One day, I don't know why.
有一天，我不知道为什么。
It just came to me-- well, sure would be nice if there was only one switch.
我突然想到——好吧，如果只有一个开关那就太好了。
If I had one switch to control all of this.
如果我有一个开关来控制这一切就好了。
And just as fast, it came to me, now, how could you possibly have one switch to do everything?
我很快就想到，你怎么可能用一个开关来完成所有的事情呢？
That's impossible.
那是不可能的。
And so just as fast as the idea came up, the idea went way.
因此，这个想法一出现，就很快就被实施了。
Because I said, that's impossible.
因为我说过，那是不可能的。
Don't make any sense.
没有任何意义。
After a while, my dad bought about another car-- a used '56 Lincoln Premiere convertible.
过了一段时间，我爸爸又买了另一辆车——一辆二手的 56 年林肯 Premiere 敞篷车。
And the attraction was that everything in the car was electric.
吸引人之处在于车内的所有东西都是电动的。
Power seats, power windows, the convertible top.
电动座椅、电动车窗、敞篷车顶。
It was a perfect laboratory for my dad.
对于我父亲来说，这是一个完美的实验室。
His job at the time was at a place where they were manufacturing parts for CB radios, and these particular CB radios had rotary dials on them, like on a telephone, connected to a switch inside.
他当时的工作是在制造 CB 收音机零件的地方，这些特殊的 CB 收音机上有旋转拨号盘，就像电话一样，连接到内部的开关。
And it was at work one day, inspecting those rotary dials, when it hit him.
有一天，他正在工作，检查那些旋转刻度盘，这时他突然想到了这一点。
He had his Thomas Edison moment.
他经历了托马斯·爱迪生的时刻。
If you dial three to switch it, it moves three times.
如果拨三键切换，则移动三次。
If you dial six [?
如果你拨打 6 [?
digits, ?] it moves six times.
数字，？] 它移动了六次。
And I looked at that, and it just came back to me.
我看着那个，然后我就想起了它。
I said, there's my switch.
我说，那是我的开关。
There is my switch.
我的开关在那里。
For the next eight months, my dad locked himself in his room.
在接下来的八个月里，我父亲把自己锁在房间里。
His plan was this.
他的计划是这样的。
He'd attach all of the car's power circuits to a metal box using hundreds of relays, all controlled by a rotary dial from an old Princess phone, the kind which had a little light behind it.
他使用数百个继电器将汽车的所有电源电路连接到一个金属盒上，所有这些继电器都由旧的 Princess 手机的旋转拨号盘控制，这种手机后面有一个小灯。
This was the star of the show, and needed a prime location-- the center of the steering wheel.
这是这场秀的明星，需要一个黄金位置——方向盘的中心。
So I guess the reward for doing all of that was the day when it was finally finished, and I put it in the car.
所以我想，做这一切的奖励就是最终完成的那一天，我把它放进了车里。
And I call your grandfather out, and he came out and sat in the car.
我叫你爷爷出去，他就出来坐在车里。
And so he was sitting over on the passenger side, and he was leaning up, had his arm on the window.
于是他坐在副驾驶一侧，身体倾身，手臂搭在车窗上。
And I said, well, this is what I was doing.
我说，好吧，这就是我正在做的事情。
An he kind of looked at it like, what were you doing?
他看着它，就像在问你在做什么？
And my hand reached for the steering wheel, towards the princess dial, and he saw the light turn on as my hand reach for it.
我的手伸向方向盘，朝着公主表盘，当我的手伸向它时，他看到灯亮了。
It was a cute little trick.
这是一个可爱的小把戏。
I had a switch underneath my brake pedal, on the floor, that put power to the dial.
我的制动踏板下方、地板上有一个开关，可以为表盘供电。
I could not have power to the dial at all times.
我无法始终为拨号盘供电。
Anybody could play around with that switch and make all that stuff happen.
任何人都可以尝试这个开关并让所有这些事情发生。
They may not know what's going on.
他们可能不知道发生了什么事。
So when I reached for it, the light turned on, which powered it.
所以当我伸手去拿它时，灯就亮了，这给它供电了。
And I dial one, I dial twice, I dial three times.
我拨一次，拨两次，拨三次。
And when I dial the fourth time and the engine started-- and then I saw his eyes kind of-- no, that didn't just happen.
当我第四次拨通时，引擎启动了——然后我看到了他的眼睛——不，那不是刚刚发生的。
But before he had a chance to really recover from that, I dialed three more numbers real quick, and all of a sudden, the windows started coming up, moving his arm off the side of the door.
但在他有机会真正从中恢复过来之前，我很快又拨了三个号码，突然间，窗户开始升起，把他的手臂从门边移开。
And I dialed three more numbers, and the other window came up, and I dialed three more numbers, and the top started coming up.
我又拨了三个号码，另一个窗口出现了，我又拨了三个号码，顶部开始出现。
And so I just kind of flooded.
所以我有点被淹没了。
I kept dialing, dial after dial after dial, real fast, to make all these things operate, before he ever had a chance to think about it at all.
在他有机会思考之前，我不断地拨号，拨号又拨号，速度非常快，让所有这些事情都运转起来。
So you did it.
所以你做到了。
Robyn's Dad I did it.
罗宾的爸爸是我做的。
One switch.
一个开关。
And my daughters, they never knew about it.
而我的女儿们，她们从来不知道这件事。
I didn't talk too much about it.
我没有过多谈论它。
They were around it all of their life, growing up.
他们一生都围绕着它长大。
That's my sister Shaun and me laughing in the background.
后面是我姐姐肖恩和我在笑。
My dad really thinks we don't know that story.
我爸爸真的认为我们不知道那个故事。
Shaun, how many times do you think you've heard the car story?
肖恩，你认为你听过多少次汽车故事？
Probably a couple of times a year for like, as long as I can remember.
从我记事起，大概每年都会有几次。
So I don't know.
所以我不知道。
30, 50, something like that.
30、50，类似的。
I've heard the story at least as many times as my sister.
这个故事我听过的次数至少和我姐姐一样多。
My uncle Rocky, who was 16 when my dad built the Lincoln, probably heard it the most.
我叔叔洛基（Rocky）在我父亲建造林肯时才 16 岁，他可能听得最多。
My friends Ellen and Anya have both heard it, separately.
我的朋友艾伦和安雅都分别听过。
My boyfriend Damien.
我的男朋友达米安。
Yeah, I've heard it.
是的，我听说过。
In detail, probably twice.
详细来说，大概是两次。
But loosely six or seven times.
但大概有六七次。
In fact, the night my dad pitched me the car story, my niece Alexis, who is 15, was listening.
事实上，当我父亲向我推销汽车故事的那天晚上，我 15 岁的侄女亚历克西斯就在听。
Alexis also had a story idea, but we never got to it, because when my dad started on the car story, she couldn't outlast him.
亚历克西斯也有一个故事的想法，但我们从未实现过，因为当我父亲开始讲汽车故事时，她无法比他活得更久。
And I got like really tired, and I just knew that it probably was just going to keep going like that.
我真的很累，我只知道事情可能会继续这样下去。
So I decided that I should probably get some sleep.
所以我决定我应该睡一会儿。
The whole thing that got me was the-- and just as quickly as the idea came, it went away!
整个事情让我着迷的是——这个想法一出现，它就消失了！
Because I knew that can't be the end of the story.
因为我知道这不可能是故事的结局。
Obviously there's a whole other section.
显然还有另外一个部分。
Right.
正确的。
You know he's just, like, ramping up.
你知道他只是在加速。
Exactly.
确切地。
Robyn Semien My nephew Jamison, who's 11, also heard that story that same night.
罗宾·塞米恩 (Robyn Semien) 当晚，我 11 岁的侄子贾米森 (Jamison) 也听到了这个故事。
My dad says Jamison's the lucky grandchild who will inherit the box and dial.
我爸爸说贾米森是幸运的孙子，他将继承盒子和表盘。
Jamison's take on the story?
贾米森对这个故事有何看法？
Um-- if I were, like, more patient, then it would have sounded like a good story.
嗯——如果我更有耐心，那么这听起来会是一个好故事。
When we were young, there was a lesson attached to this story-- that when you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything.
当我们年轻的时候，这个故事给我们一个教训——只要你用心去做，你就能完成任何事情。
But when I asked my dad today why this is the story he tells over and over, what's the point of the story, he says he's just proud that he had an idea that nobody else did.
但今天当我问我父亲为什么他一遍又一遍地讲这个故事，这个故事的意义是什么时，他说他很自豪他有一个别人没有做过的想法。
I point out to my dad that his invention was completely impractical.
我向父亲指出他的发明完全不切实际。
It's way harder to dial a secret code than to just push the button that opens the window.
拨打密码比按下打开窗口的按钮要困难得多。
He says that's not the point.
他说这不是重点。
It was cool.
很酷。
It made him stand out.
这让他脱颖而出。
And if anyone wanted the window down, or the radio on, they had to go through him.
如果有人想把车窗摇下来，或者打开收音机，就必须经过他。
That was amazing.
太棒了。
Jane Feltes I love your dad.
简·费尔特斯 我爱你爸爸。
Well, that worked so well, because it was about him.
嗯，这很有效，因为这是关于他的。
Like, it wasn't outside of him.
就像，它不在他之外。
But not just that, but you made it not the story, but about the fact of it-- yeah, that was cool.
但不仅如此，你不是把它当作故事，而是讲述它的事实——是的，那很酷。
OK.
好的。
So this is a good place to say that two of our producers put together stories that didn't work out so well.
因此，这是一个很好的地方，可以说我们的两位制片人将故事放在一起，但效果并不理想。
Alissa Shipp, one of our producers, called her mom, and got into this pretty heavy conversation.
我们的制片人之一艾丽莎·希普（Alissa Shipp）打电话给她妈妈，并进行了一场相当激烈的谈话。
And the most air-able part of it was this one moment that they got talking about this moment with her grandmother in the hospital.
其中最引人注目的部分是他们在医院与她的祖母谈论这一刻。
And it's 16 seconds long.
它有16秒长。
Bubbe on her deathbed, actually, last time I visited her, and she was kind of whispering something.
事实上，上次我去看望布布时，她正在临终前，她正在低声嘀咕着什么。
And we bent down to listen to her, and she said, I'm bored.
我们弯下腰听她说话，她说，我很无聊。
I think that's funny.
我觉得这很有趣。
I feel like it's like my nightmare.
我觉得这就像我的噩梦。
That's exactly how I imagine it being, too.
我也正是这么想的。
And then our next story is from Sarah Koenig.
我们的下一个故事来自莎拉·柯尼格。
Also a shortie.
也是个矮子。
So my mom's story idea wasn't, strictly speaking, a story, or, strictly speaking, an idea.
所以严格来说，我妈妈的故事创意并不是一个故事，或者严格来说，一个想法。
It was about a conversation she's had dozens of times with my daughter Ava, who's six.
这是关于她与我六岁的女儿艾娃进行了数十次对话的内容。
My granddaughter always me why I celebrate Christmas.
我的孙女总是问我为什么庆祝圣诞节。
Well, why do you do Christmas?
那么，你为什么要过圣诞节呢？
You're Jewish.
你是犹太人。
Well, I said, my parents did it, and it's a big tradition in our family, and we liked it, and I wanted to carry on the tradition.
嗯，我说，我父母做到了，这是我们家的一个大传统，我们喜欢它，我想继承这个传统。
And she said, but you're Jewish!
她说，但你是犹太人！
Why do you do it?
你为什么这么做？
She's never content with my answer.
她对我的回答永远不满意。
I figured maybe there was some cognitive reason for Ava's confusion, like that at her age, she simply could not compute the contradiction that somebody Jewish would do something not Jewish.
我想也许艾娃的困惑有一些认知原因，就像在她这个年纪，她根本无法计算出犹太人会做非犹太人的事情的矛盾。
So I talked to a couple of child psychologists, and they told me I was right.
所以我和几位儿童心理学家交谈过，他们告诉我我是对的。
That this question is taxing Ava's prefrontal cortex.
这个问题对艾娃的前额皮质造成了负担。
That's the part of the brain where we store information about rule-governed behavior, like how we're supposed to act.
这是大脑中我们存储有关受规则控制的行为的信息的部分，例如我们应该如何行动。
And they said it might take a couple of years for Ava's prefrontal cortex to get it.
他们说艾娃的前额皮质可能需要几年的时间才能得到它。
This is Karen Bierman.
这是凯伦·比尔曼。
She's written books about child development.
她写过有关儿童发展的书籍。
Your daughter's right at that cusp.
你的女儿正处于那个风口浪尖。
She's got a category, she's got a clear category of what it means to be Jewish, and her grandmother doesn't fit that category in any way that she can see.
她有一个类别，她有一个明确的类别，知道作为犹太人意味着什么，而她的祖母以她所看到的任何方式都不适合这个类别。
So that's a more challenging cognition.
所以这是一个更具挑战性的认知。
Anyhow, none of this felt very, um, gripping.
无论如何，这一切都没有让人感到非常，嗯，扣人心弦。
So to sum up, I wrote a little ditty about Ava's situation with her grandmother, who she calls Yaya.
总而言之，我写了一首关于艾娃和她祖母（她称她为亚亚）的情况的小诗。
The tune is borrowed, by the way.
顺便说一句，曲子是借来的。
[SINGING] When your Yaya gets a tree, and you know that it shouldn't be, look her straight in the eye, ask why.
[唱歌] 当你的亚亚得到一棵树，而你知道它不应该是时，直视她的眼睛，问为什么。
Don't you eat that Christmas stew.
你不吃圣诞炖菜吗？
You're a Jew.
你是犹太人。
You're a Jew--
你是犹太人——
You're a Jew-- Sarah Koenig You're a Jew--
你是一个犹太人--莎拉·柯尼格你是一个犹太人--
Me too-- [GIGGLES] Sarah Koenig That's it.
我也是——[咯咯笑]莎拉·柯尼格就是这样。
More songs!
更多歌曲！
I like it.
我喜欢它。
Ira Glass I would have ended the song a little earlier.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）我本来会早点结束这首歌。
I had enough of the cuteness.
我受够了可爱。
I was ready for it to end, like, 20 seconds earlier.
我已经准备好让它提前 20 秒结束了。
The giggle's pretty good.
笑起来还是蛮不错的
You just hate children and Jews.
你只是讨厌孩子和犹太人。
It's true.
这是真的。
We never have any kids.
我们从来没有孩子。
We never have any Jews.
我们从来没有犹太人。
All right.
好的。
Well, our last story today comes from Jane Feltes.
好吧，我们今天的最后一个故事来自简·费尔特斯。
I called my dad, and obviously he was super stoked to help me with this project.
我打电话给我爸爸，显然他非常乐意帮助我完成这个项目。
Here's the thing.
事情是这样的。
It's pretty boring these days, and especially here in sunny Michigan.
这些天很无聊，尤其是在阳光明媚的密歇根州。
But if you want ideas, here's some stuff.
但如果你想要想法，这里有一些东西。
That was my dad's attempt at modesty.
这是我父亲试图表现的谦虚。
Turns out he's kind of a pitching machine.
事实证明他是一台投球机器。
The stuff I could do stories about range from, Can you believe GM is bringing 800 jobs to Michigan, rather than moving them out?
我可以做的故事包括：你能相信通用汽车正在为密歇根州带来 800 个工作岗位，而不是将其迁出吗？
Or, why you guys follow up on that story you did a few years ago about some vigilante border patrol guys down on the Mexican border?
或者，为什么你们要跟进几年前关于墨西哥边境一些治安边境巡逻人员的故事？
I want to know if they're still there, and if they finally got guns.
我想知道他们是否还在那里，以及他们是否最终拿到了枪。
Then somehow we got on the topic of how to make solar energy efficient, which led to the wave particle duality of photons, and not led to--
然后不知怎的，我们谈到了如何提高太阳能效率的话题，这导致了光子的波粒二象性，而不是导致——
So does the particle aspect come in regular intervals, brrrr, like a machine gun?
那么粒子方面是否有规律的间隔出现，brrrrr，就像机关枪一样？
Or if they go pop, like popcorn?
或者如果它们像爆米花一样流行？
Right.
正确的。
And then naturally-- Jane's Dad You know, like how big does a planet have to be to have a molten core?
然后很自然地——简的爸爸你知道，就像一颗行星必须有多大才能有一个熔化的核心？
And then finally-- Jane's Dad I think Harry Brakeman is fascinating.
最后——简的爸爸，我认为哈利·布雷克曼很迷人。
What?
什么？
Jane's Dad You know Harry Brakeman?
简的爸爸 你认识哈利·布雷克曼吗？
At first I was like, who?
一开始我就想，谁？
But then I remembered that Harry Brakeman was the pastor at my Grandma Ruth's Methodist church a while back.
但后来我想起哈里·布雷克曼不久前是我祖母露丝卫理公会教堂的牧师。
Now he's retired, and he and his wife live in eastern Michigan, out in the country.
现在他已经退休了，他和他的妻子住在密歇根州东部的乡下。
They live in this little tiny house over in Port Huron, like Ruth and Bill's house, like, you know, 1,200 square feet.
他们住在休伦港的这座小房子里，就像露丝和比尔的房子一样，面积大约 1,200 平方英尺。
They started this school down in Haiti, which is an American thing to do.
他们在海地创办了这所学校，这是美国人的事情。
We like to do that.
我们喜欢这样做。
Go out in the world and start schools to make people like us.
走出去，到世界各地开办学校，让人们喜欢我们。
And it turned into a university.
它变成了一所大学。
What?
什么？
Jane's Dad Yeah.
简的爸爸 是的。
Brakeman University.
布雷克曼大学。
Medical school, I think they're trying to put together.
医学院，我认为他们正在努力整合。
They've got a four year college with, I think they have some grad programs.
他们有一所四年制大学，我认为他们有一些研究生课程。
Brakeman University, is what it's called.
布雷克曼大学，就是它的名字。
Methodist church--
卫理公会教堂——
I kind of doubted this story from the jump.
我从一开始就对这个故事产生了怀疑。
Like, maybe he had a church there, and it's possible that they taught a Sunday School, but then someone was talking to somebody, and it turned into a game of telephone, and in the end, everyone in Michigan thinks Harry Brakeman's like running the Harvard of the Caribbean.
就像，也许他在那里有一座教堂，他们也可能教一所主日学校，但后来有人与某人交谈，这就变成了一场电话游戏，最后，密歇根州的每个人都认为哈里·布雷克曼就像在经营加勒比海的哈佛。
Their story fascinates me.
他们的故事让我着迷。
And it was Harry's deal from the beginning to the end.
从头到尾这都是哈利的交易。
OK.
好的。
So that phone call, that was a week before the earthquake in Haiti.
那通电话是在海地地震前一周打的。
So when the earthquake happened, then I found myself worried about this school that I didn't even know if it existed.
所以当地震发生时，我发现自己很担心这所学校，我什至不知道它是否存在。
I was born right here, almost where I'm sitting right now.
我出生在这里，几乎就在我现在坐的地方。
Ladies and gentlemen, Harry Brakeman, 87 years old, in his home in Clyde, Michigan.
女士们先生们，哈里·布雷克曼 (Harry Brakeman)，87 岁，在密歇根州克莱德的家中。
And Harry says it's true.
哈利说这是真的。
There is a school.
有一个学校。
Back in the '70s, a missionary visits Harry's church, and he's talking about some work he's doing in Haiti, and would Harry want to join and help.
回到 70 年代，一位传教士参观了哈利的教堂，他正在谈论他在海地所做的一些工作，以及哈利是否愿意加入并提供帮助。
So in 1976, the Brakemans fly into Port-au-Prince for the first time.
1976 年，布雷克曼夫妇首次飞往太子港。
We got a truck to pick us up and took us to a church.
我们有一辆卡车来接我们并带我们去了一座教堂。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] says you're preaching here today.
[无法辨认]说你今天在这里讲道。
I was like, I'm what?
我当时想，我是什么？
He said, you're preaching!
他说，你在传教啊！
So [?
所以 [？
Bells Head Farm ?] was the largest Protestant church in Port-au-Prince, and I never had such a experience in my life.
Bells Head Farm？]是太子港最大的新教教堂，我一生中从未有过这样的经历。
But I was scared.
但我很害怕。
My knees were almost shaking, knocking.
我的膝盖几乎在颤抖、碰撞。
And I said, Lord, you've got me in a mess, and you've got to get me out of here.
我说，主啊，你把我弄得一团糟，你必须带我离开这里。
But he didn't.
但他没有。
And I'm not an evangelist.
我不是传道者。
I've never done that kind of work.
我从来没有做过这样的工作。
I was just always a pastor.
我一直只是一名牧师。
But when I got done with preaching, the people just flooded to the altar.
但当我讲完道后，人们就涌向祭坛。
In fact, the team called me another Billy Graham.
事实上，团队称我为另一个比利·格雷厄姆。
Now, I've heard Harry's sermons, and to tell you the truth, they sound pretty much like this conversation.
现在，我听过哈利的布道，说实话，它们听起来很像这次谈话。
He's not all filled with the spirit or anything.
他并不完全充满精神或任何东西。
So you can see how special this was.
所以你可以看到这有多么特别。
He toured around the island and saw how people live.
他环游岛上，观察人们的生活方式。
And that opened my eyes up a lot.
这让我大开眼界。
I've never seen people so poor in my life.
我一生中从未见过如此贫穷的人。
My heart was broken.
我的心都碎了。
My pocketbook was broken, too.
我的钱包也坏了。
His missionary work took him to a small town called Petit Goave, or Ti Goave, about 40 miles west of Port-au-Prince on a two lane highway.
他的传教工作将他带到了一个名叫小戈阿夫 (Petit Goave) 或蒂戈阿夫 (Ti Goave) 的小镇，位于太子港以西约 40 英里的两车道高速公路上。
It's a fishing town on the coast.
这是一个沿海的渔镇。
Kind of a commercial center for all the tiny villages in the mountains that surround it.
有点像周围山区所有小村庄的商业中心。
They were building churches, and Harry had the idea to build a school.
他们正在建造教堂，哈利萌生了建造一所学校的想法。
The work was hard, hauling construction supplies from Port-au-Prince and working crazy hours to avoid the midday sun.
这项工作很辛苦，要从太子港运送建筑材料，还要加班加点地躲避正午的阳光。
What wasn't as difficult was finding volunteers.
寻找志愿者并不那么困难。
When Michigan construction jobs dried up every winter, Harry said they found plenty of people happy to spend a few months warming up in Haiti.
每年冬天，当密歇根州的建筑工作枯竭时，哈利说，他们发现很多人很乐意在海地度过几个月的时间取暖。
We'd gone back, and then we started back in those villages.
我们回去了，然后又开始回到那些村庄。
They'd have rice mats in their houses, and they'd let us sleep [?
他们的房子里有米垫，他们会让我们睡觉[？
on those.
关于那些。
?] And we would sleep and work, work and sleep.
？]我们会一边睡觉一边工作，一边工作一边睡觉。
I remember, I started singing a song-- Learn to lean, learn to lean, learn to lean on Jesus, finding more strength than I've ever dreamed, I've learned to lean on him.
我记得，我开始唱一首歌——学会依靠，学会依靠，学会依靠耶稣，找到比我梦想的更多的力量，我学会了依靠他。
We would often start singing that when things got kind of rough, at first.
当事情一开始变得有点困难时，我们经常会开始唱这首歌。
As the students grew, the classes grew, and so on and so forth, until they had 650 students and 42 teachers, all of them Haitian.
随着学生的成长，班级的规模不断扩大，直至拥有 650 名学生和 42 名教师，全部都是海地人。
They taught preschool through junior college, and then two years ago added university level courses.
他们从学前班一直教授到大专，两年前又增加了大学水平的课程。
They were affiliated with a medical campus in Port-au-Prince.
他们隶属于太子港的一个医学院。
At least, that was the case up until a month ago.
至少，直到一个月前都是这样。
So tell me about what's going on in Petit Goave now.
告诉我现在小戈阿夫发生了什么。
As far as we know, the only damage to our school-- last year, they put a room on top of the auditorium to house computers in.
据我们所知，我们学校唯一受到的损害是——去年，他们在礼堂顶上建了一个房间来存放电脑。
We understand that's fallen down.
我们知道那已经倒塌了。
But the rest of the school is still usable.
但学校的其余部分仍然可以使用。
Three weeks after the earthquake, I asked a newspaper reporter from New Jersey, Meredith Mandell, who was traveling to Haiti to do her own story, if she would go, or at least try to go, to Petit Goave, and find the school, and if she found it, was it standing?
地震发生三周后，我问一位来自新泽西州的报纸记者梅雷迪思·曼德尔(Meredith Mandell)，她正在前往海地报道自己的故事，她是否会去，或者至少尝试去，小戈阿夫，找到那所学校，如果她找到了，它是否还矗立着？
Meredith said that these helicopters were flying really low overhead the whole time she was there.
梅雷迪思说，她在那里的整个过程中，这些直升机都在头顶低空飞行。
Eventually, she found the school.
最终，她找到了学校。
Wow.
哇。
Luc Lespinas Now you see this room fell down here, where we had, I thought, this is the college area Brakeman.
吕克·莱斯皮纳斯 现在你看这个房间倒塌了，我想，这是布雷克曼大学区。
The best school in Petit Goave.
Petit Goave 最好的学校。
And everybody knows about that.
每个人都知道这一点。
But as you see, for example, on the left side of the school, that all the walls fell down.
但正如你所看到的，例如在学校的左侧，所有的墙都倒塌了。
That one you see here, we had the computers room that fell down here.
你在这里看到的，我们这里的计算机房倒塌了。
The guy she's talking to is Luc Lespenasse whom Harry put me in touch with.
正在和她说话的那个人是哈利让我联系上的卢克·莱斯彭纳斯（Luc Lespenasse）。
Luc's known the Brakemans for years.
卢克认识布雷克曼夫妇很多年了。
He met them when he was a teen, back when they first visited Petit Goave.
他十几岁时就认识了他们，当时他们第一次访问小戈阿夫。
In the '80s, he came to live with them in Michigan for a few years, and they put him through college.
八十年代，他来到密歇根州和他们一起生活了几年，他们供他完成了大学学业。
They call them their Haitian son.
他们称他们为海地儿子。
The original classrooms were solidly constructed with rebar support, and all finished nicely.
原来的教室用钢筋支撑建造得很坚固，而且装修得很好。
Kind of looks like it could be a high school in southern California And those buildings, they're still standing, though they do have that empty, frozen in time feeling.
看起来有点像南加州的一所高中，那些建筑物仍然矗立着，尽管它们确实有一种空荡荡的、时间冻结的感觉。
Like the date of the quake, January 12, is still written on one of the chalkboards in teacher's handwriting.
比如地震的日期，1月12日，其中一块黑板上仍然用老师的笔迹写着。
But a few recent additions to the school were thrown up with cinderblocks, and they've come down.
但学校最近扩建的一些建筑被煤渣砖扔掉了，现在它们已经倒塌了。
The new computer lab is just piles of rubble.
新的计算机实验室只是一堆瓦砾。
But overall, the school fared pretty well compared to the rest of Petit Goave, which was essentially leveled.
但总体而言，与小戈阿夫其他地区相比，这所学校的表现相当不错，基本上是持平的。
Not only was it hit in the first quake, but that 5.9 magnitude aftershock that happened a week later?
不仅是第一次地震，一周后发生的5.9级余震？
The epicenter was right beneath Petit Goave.
震中位于小戈阿夫正下方。
So the school is kind of the last thing on anyone's mind.
所以学校是任何人最不关心的事情。
I had a long talk with Luc on the phone, but without thinking, I made the mistake of starting with the standard non-emergency disasters on small talk.
我在电话中与吕克进行了一次长谈，但我不假思索地犯了一个错误，即从标准的非紧急灾难闲聊开始。
Hi!
你好！
This is Jane.
这是简。
Luc Lespinas Oh, yes.
吕克·莱斯皮纳斯 噢，是的。
How have you been?
你最近怎么样？
I've been OK.
我已经没事了。
How about you?
你呢？
Luc Lespinas Oh, just so-so.
Luc Lespinas 哦，马马虎虎。
In a few words, I would say things are really bad.
简而言之，我想说事情真的很糟糕。
But where I am at in Petit Goave, there are so many houses that have been destroyed, also with a lot of people inside.
但我在小戈阿夫的地方，有很多房子被毁坏了，里面也有很多人。
With people inside?
里面还有人吗？
Luc Lespinas Yes, yes.
吕克·莱斯皮纳斯 是的，是的。
For years, Luc's run an ad hoc orphanage out of his house, which is now uninhabitable.
多年来，卢克在他的房子里经营着一家临时孤儿院，但现在已经无法居住。
Altogether, since he started, he's taken in 172 kids.
自从他开始工作以来，他总共收养了 172 个孩子。
Right now he has 15 boys, seven of them he's legally adopted.
现在他有 15 个男孩，其中 7 个是他合法收养的。
So what are you doing during the day, you know, most days?
那么大多数时候你白天都在做什么？
Right now, like this week.
现在，就像这周一样。
How are you spending your days?
你的日子过得怎么样？
Oh, dear.
哦亲爱的。
Right now, I can say, if I ask you if it is right now or in the past, that's because right now, we have a new Haiti.
现在，我可以说，如果我问你是现在还是过去，那是因为现在，我们有了一个新的海地。
This is-- I can say we are in another world.
这是——我可以说我们处在另一个世界。
I'ts not the same in the past.
我和过去不一样了。
He said his boys were keeping themselves busy, playing dominoes, basketball.
他说他的孩子们让自己忙碌起来，玩多米诺骨牌、打篮球。
Help has been slow to arrive to Petit Goave.
救援人员抵达小戈阿夫的速度很慢。
Medical teams didn't get here until a week after the quake.
医疗队直到地震一周后才到达这里。
Stores are down, and even if they weren't, Luc can't access his money because the banks were destroyed.
商店倒闭了，即使没有倒闭，卢克也无法取出他的钱，因为银行被毁了。
More kids show up every day asking for help.
每天都有更多的孩子出现寻求帮助。
He says everyone is just waiting, but they're not even sure what they're waiting for.
他说每个人都在等待，但他们甚至不确定自己在等待什么。
Right.
正确的。
I feel embarrassed doing a story about trying to figure out what's happened to Harry's school when there are obviously so many other questions that are more important, you know?
当我写一个试图弄清楚哈利学校发生了什么的故事时，我感到很尴尬，因为显然还有很多其他更重要的问题，你知道吗？
Yeah.
是的。
I know what you mean.
我知道你的意思。
But anyway, you know that Harry-- many Haitian people consider Harry Brakeman as a Haitian or so.
但无论如何，你知道哈利——许多海地人认为哈利·布雷克曼是海地人。
Many people there count Harry as a Haitian, Luc says.
卢克说，那里的许多人都认为哈利是海地人。
A lot of things he's been doing for us.
他为我们做了很多事情。
A lot of schools and a lot of church.
很多学校和很多教堂。
His heart is really with us.
他的心真的与我们同在。
So one of the reasons that we are glad to name the school after him, College Harry Brakeman.
因此，我们很高兴将学校以他的名字命名为“哈利·布雷克曼学院”，这也是我们很高兴的原因之一。
I spoke to him the other day, and he seemed to think that school could continue, you know, somehow.
前几天我和他谈过，他似乎认为学校可以继续，你知道，不知何故。
But I don't think he understands how bad it is.
但我认为他不明白这有多糟糕。
No, I don't think so, I don't think so.
不，我不这么认为，我不这么认为。
Me, I talked to his wife on the phone.
我，我和他的妻子通了电话。
You know, for some reason, I did not tell them all I've been telling you.
你知道，出于某种原因，我没有告诉他们我告诉你的一切。
Because they so care for the people here.
因为他们非常关心这里的人民。
I felt it will embarrass just to tell them exactly what happened.
我觉得直接告诉他们到底发生了什么会很尴尬。
For example, I can say in Petit Goave only, we have more than 1,000 people die.
例如，我可以说仅在 Petit Goave，就有 1,000 多人死亡。
Luc said it's a thousand.
卢克说是一千。
The official count, according to the mayor, is more like 1,100 so far.
据市长称，到目前为止，官方统计人数约为 1,100 人。
And that's in a town of roughly 12,000 people.
这是一个大约有 12,000 人的小镇。
And by the way, I would like to ask you also to help us in your prayers.
顺便说一句，我也想请你们帮助我们祈祷。
In our prayers?
在我们的祈祷中？
Luc Lespinas Yes, yes.
吕克·莱斯皮纳斯 是的，是的。
So we hope that you won't forget us in your prayers.
所以我们希望你们在祈祷时不要忘记我们。
I like a lot about this story.
我非常喜欢这个故事。
I mean, I think you were so hampered by crummy-- two sets of crummy tape-- like most of your subjects are really hard to understand.
我的意思是，我认为你被蹩脚的东西——两套蹩脚的磁带——所阻碍，就像你的大多数主题都很难理解一样。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Like you really had a lot of work to do in this story as a narrator.
作为一个叙述者，你在这个故事中确实有很多工作要做。
And I think you did it.
我认为你做到了。
I mean, I think you take us through.
我的意思是，我想你会带领我们度过难关。
I liked the moment of where you said that your dad had pitched this to you before the earthquake, and then the earthquake hit, and all of a sudden you found yourself wondering about this university that you weren't even sure actually really existed.
我喜欢你说你爸爸在地震前向你推销这所大学的那一刻，然后地震来了，突然你发现自己对这所大学感到好奇，你甚至不确定它是否真的存在。
And I thought that was my favorite part, was to come at the end, and like, now we care about a university in a town I've never heard of.
我认为这是我最喜欢的部分，是在最后，就像，现在我们关心一个我从未听说过的小镇上的一所大学。
I really liked that.
我真的很喜欢那个。
OK.
好的。
So it's time to vote.
所以是时候投票了。
We've heard all the stories.
我们听过所有的故事。
Just to review on what those stories were one more time.
只是为了再次回顾一下这些故事。
It was my dad's story the suit on the train, Lisa's story about the funny funeral, Nancy's story about the Erie Canal, Alex's story about corporations as people, Robyn's story about her dad's rotary phone-controlled car, Alissa's story about her bubbe's deathbed boredom, Sarah's story about Christmas and her daughter and her mom, and Jane's story about the college in Haiti.
这是我爸爸关于火车上西装的故事，丽莎关于有趣葬礼的故事，南希关于伊利运河的故事，亚历克斯关于公司作为人的故事，罗宾关于她父亲的旋转电话控制汽车的故事，艾丽莎关于她宝贝临终无聊的故事，莎拉关于圣诞节和她女儿和她妈妈的故事，以及简关于海地大学的故事。
Yeah, there's indefinitely criteria.
是的，有无限期的标准。
And I think you should consider all of the criteria when, I think, thinking about-- well, there's just the, expertise, there's entertainment, level of difficulty--
我认为你应该考虑所有的标准，我认为，思考——嗯，只有专业知识，有娱乐性，难度水平——
Yeah.
是的。
How hard was the pitch from the parent?
家长的推销有多难？
Yeah.
是的。
If you had to listen to one again, what would you listen to?
如果你必须再听一次，你会听什么？
Yeah, I know.
是的，我知道。
And for me, that would narrow it down for me to Lisa and Robyn.
对我来说，这会将范围缩小到丽莎和罗宾。
That would narrow it down, to me, to Lisa and Nancy.
这会缩小范围，对我来说，对丽莎和南希来说。
Yeah.
是的。
Lisa's story about the funny funeral, Nancy's story about the Erie Canal, for me it would be Lisa's story about the funny funerals and Robyn's story about the car.
丽莎关于有趣葬礼的故事，南希关于伊利运河的故事，对我来说，这将是丽莎关于有趣葬礼的故事和罗宾关于汽车的故事。
Yeah.
是的。
I'm going with Lisa.
我要和丽莎一起去。
Jane Feltes I'm going with Lisa, too.
简·费尔特斯 我也要和丽莎一起去。
I was going to say Robyn.
我本来想说罗宾。
Alex Blumberg I'm torn between Robyn and Jane.
亚历克斯·布隆伯格 我在罗宾和简之间左右为难。
Robyn's story about the dad's car and Jane's story about Haiti, why?
罗宾关于父亲汽车的故事和简关于海地的故事，为什么？
Why those two?
为什么是那两个？
Well, going into it, I was like, oh, it's Robyn.
好吧，一开始我就想，哦，是罗宾。
Because it just felt like such a solid story.
因为这感觉像是一个坚实的故事。
It just, well--
只是，嗯——
Not like that usual crap we put out here.
不像我们通常在这里发布的垃圾。
Yeah.
是的。
It was like, I mean, I'm not a fan of This American Life, so I don't, like, seek it out, but if I have to listen, like, that would have been pretty good, you know?
就像，我的意思是，我不是《美国生活》的粉丝，所以我不喜欢寻找它，但如果我必须听，那会很好，你知道吗？
But then with Jane's, it's like, that is such a-- it goes in such an unexpected place, and it was hard.
但对于简来说，就像是这样——它出现在一个意想不到的地方，这很难。
I'm going to make a little push for Nancy here as well.
我也会在这里为南希做一点推动。
Just because Erie Canal.
只是因为伊利运河。
That is hard.
那很难。
That is really hard.
那真的很难。
And I feel like, contrary to some here, I feel like I did learn quite a lot about the Erie Canal.
我觉得，与这里的一些人相反，我觉得我确实学到了很多关于伊利运河的知识。
I did too.
我也这么做了。
Sarah Koenig And totally entertaining.
Sarah Koenig 非常有趣。
So I feel like she really hit the three criteria.
所以我觉得她真的符合这三个标准。
Yeah, but you remember the first like minute and a half of Nancy's piece, which is just like these incredibly boring pieces of factual information?
是的，但你还记得南希文章的前半分钟，它就像这些令人难以置信的无聊的事实信息一样？
I think it's all a red herring so the song hits you-- it's still in the service of the song.
我认为这都是转移注意力的事情，所以这首歌打动了你——它仍然是为这首歌服务的。
I appreciated the stagecraft of that.
我很欣赏它的舞台艺术。
OK.
好的。
So I'm just going to take a little score here.
所以我只想在这里打个小分。
So I'm voting Lisa.
所以我投票给丽莎。
Julie?
朱莉？
In an all-around, package, kind of best-in-show kind of way, I enjoyed Lisa's the most.
从全方位、整体、最佳展示的方式来看，我最喜欢丽莎的。
OK.
好的。
Lisa?
丽莎？
Lisa Pollak I'm going to go for Robyn.
丽莎·波拉克 我会选择罗宾。
Sarah?
莎拉？
Sarah Koenig After pushing Nancy, really-- I'm really torn between Lisa and Nancy.
莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）在推了南希之后，真的——我真的在丽莎和南希之间左右为难。
Nancy.
南希。
OK.
好的。
The final tally.
最后的统计。
Lisa, you have four votes.
丽莎，你有四票。
Nancy has one, Robin has two, and Jane, you have one.
南希有一个，罗宾有两个，简，你有一个。
Congratulations, Lisa.
恭喜，丽莎。
Julie Snyder Congratulations, Lisa!
朱莉·斯奈德 恭喜丽莎！
Thank you.
谢谢。
Thanks.
谢谢。
Julie Snyder Have fun with your parents.
朱莉·斯奈德 和你的父母一起玩得开心。
Yeah!
是的！
Julie Snyder By the way, they have to say with you.
朱莉·斯奈德 顺便说一句，他们必须和你说。
Our program was produced today by Sarah Koenig and myself with the greatest documentary production staff in radio-- Alex Blumberg, Jane Feltes, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semian, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Sarah Koenig 和我本人以及广播界最优秀的纪录片制作人员共同制作：Alex Blumberg、Jane Feltes、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semian、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder Our intern, who is already making our stories better, is Brian Reed.
我们的高级制片人是 Julie Snyder 我们的实习生是 Brian Reed，他已经让我们的故事变得更好了。
Seth Lind is our production manager.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的生产经理。
Emily Condon is our office manager.
艾米丽·康登 (Emily Condon) 是我们的办公室经理。
Music consultant, Jessica Hopper.
音乐顾问杰西卡·霍珀。
Audio engineering for today's shows by Paul Ruest.
今天节目的音频工程由 Paul Ruest 负责。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Special thanks today to our parents, especially the ones who we interviewed who didn't make it into the show.
[致谢] 今天特别感谢我们的父母，特别是那些我们采访过但没有进入节目的父母。
Don't forget to go to our website and vote.
不要忘记访问我们的网站并投票。
We really are curious what the audience favorite is for today's show.
我们真的很好奇今天的节目观众最喜欢什么。
We went your vote.
我们投票了。
The web address is www.thisamericanlife.org.
网址是 www.thisamericanlife.org。
At our website, you can also listen to Alex Blumberg's complete story, the one that we cut off in the middle.
在我们的网站上，您还可以聆听亚历克斯·布隆伯格 (Alex Blumberg) 的完整故事，即我们在中间截断的故事。
If you happen to be an iPhone user, there's also a link at that site to a new iPhone app that gives you all 400 of our episodes at your fingertips which is three bucks.
如果您碰巧是 iPhone 用户，该网站上还有一个指向新 iPhone 应用程序的链接，只需 3 美元即可轻松获得我们的全部 400 集剧集。
The app also has amazing extras, like David Sedaris's first few radio stories, or I also interview Terry Gross and she interviews me, and there's a free behind-the-scenes video of our show, there's an amazing cartoon slide story done by Chris Ware.
该应用程序还有令人惊叹的附加功能，例如 David Sedaris 的前几个广播故事，或者我还采访了 Terry Gross，她采访了我，还有我们节目的免费幕后视频，还有 Chris Ware 制作的令人惊叹的卡通幻灯片故事。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our 400 episodes by our partner in all this, Mr. Torey Malatia, who does not understand why Lisa Pollak's funny funeral stories should win number one.
我们的合作伙伴 Torey Malatia 先生对 WBEZ 的 400 集进行了管理监督，他不明白为什么 Lisa Pollak 的有趣葬礼故事应该赢得第一。
What was so funny?
有什么好笑的？
What was so funny, Mitch?
米奇，有什么好笑的？
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。