394: Bait and Switch - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass Back when Cliff worked as a room service waiter at Holiday Inn, so many guests ordered in pizza delivery to avoid the lousy room service.
序言 Ira Glass 当年克里夫在假日酒店担任客房服务服务员时，很多客人都点了披萨外卖，以避免糟糕的客房服务。
But sometimes the food and beverage manager, who was this tightly-wound guy and immigrant from Algeria, would stake out the lobby and try to catch the pizza delivery guys and kick them out before they made it to the elevators.
但有时，来自阿尔及利亚的移民经理，这个伤势严重的人，有时会在大厅里监视，试图抓住披萨送货员，并在他们进入电梯之前将他们踢出去。
Then one day this food and beverage manager came up with a better plan-- to trick the guests.
然后有一天，这位餐饮经理想出了一个更好的计划——欺骗客人。
The hotel got some cardboard pizza boxes and takeout menus that looked like they could've come from any delivery places you've ever seen.
酒店有一些纸板披萨盒和外卖菜单，看起来像是来自你见过的任何送货地点。
Each of them had a cartoon of an Italian chef with a moustache and a big hat.
他们每个人都有一幅意大利厨师的漫画，留着小胡子，戴着大帽子。
He was holding his fingers to his lips in the classic kind of "Mama mia, that's delicious" sort of pose.
他把手指放在嘴唇上，摆出一种经典的“妈妈咪呀，真好吃”的姿势。
This pizza place had a name-- Giorgio's-- but the menus didn't list any address.
这家披萨店有一个名字——乔治店——但菜单上没有列出任何地址。
They did list a phone number.
他们确实列出了电话号码。
And the phone number was not an extension in the hotel phone system.
而且该电话号码并不是酒店电话系统的分机号。
It wasn't a room service number.
这不是客房服务号码。
It rang at this red telephone, an outside line that they installed on the basement wall right near the big institutional hotel switchboard that the room service operators normally use to take orders.
红色电话响了，这是他们安装在地下室墙上的一条外线，就在大型机构酒店总机附近，客房服务接线员通常用它来接受订单。
And to complete illusion, we were given stacks of-- you know those green checks that you get in diners, the waitress just fills it out by hand?
为了完成幻觉，我们得到了一堆——你知道你在食客那里得到的那些绿色支票，女服务员只是手工填写吗？
This is Cliff.
这是克里夫。
So we were supposed to fill one of those out and tape it onto the box for just that finishing touch of verisimilitude.
因此，我们应该填写其中一份并将其粘贴到盒子上，以达到逼真的效果。
And so how would it work?
那么它会如何运作呢？
Somebody would call the number, and then did you have to answer the phone and say "Giorgio's"?
有人会拨打这个号码，然后你必须接电话并说“乔治的”吗？
Yeah.
是的。
We soon realized that being an outside line, we were relieved from the standards of ordinary hotel courtesy.
我们很快意识到，作为外线人员，我们摆脱了普通酒店礼节的标准。
So it was all this, "Giorgio pizza!" It was like a platform for improv.
所以就是这一切，“乔治披萨！”它就像一个即兴表演的平台。
Use these ridiculous sort of Vaudeville Italian accents.
使用这些可笑的杂耍意大利口音。
"What's the matter for you?
“你有什么事吗？
Hey Louie, where's the driver?"
嘿，路易，司机在哪里？”
I want to apologize to any Italian-American listeners right now on behalf of Public Radio in general.
我现在想代表公共广播电台向所有意大利裔美国听众道歉。
A room service waiter named Kevin had a character named Luigi that he would play on the one.
一位名叫凯文（Kevin）的客房服务服务员有一个名叫路易吉（Luigi）的角色，他将在其中扮演。
The captain of the room service waiters, Brandon, been a loyal company man until all this absurdity began.
在这一切荒谬的事情发生之前，客房服务服务员的队长布兰登一直是一名忠诚的公司职员。
And he could do a really excellent sort of Sylvester Stallone croak, which I cannot.
他可以发出非常出色的西尔维斯特·史泰龙的呱呱声，而我却做不到。
And he could also do Brando doing The Godfather, which he loved to do.
他也可以让白兰度演《教父》，这是他喜欢演的。
And, you know, mumbling--
而且，你知道，咕哝着——
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Ira Glass And so, all right.
[插话] Ira Glass：所以，好吧。
So if I'm calling for a pizza and I say, like, hi, I want to get like a--
因此，如果我要一份披萨，我会说，比如，嗨，我想要像——
You're getting a serious runaround, is what you're getting.
你正在经历一场严重的逃避，这就是你所得到的。
There were two flaws in the deceit, and they were pretty big flaws, Cliff says.
克里夫说，这个欺骗有两个缺陷，而且是相当大的缺陷。
One was the pizzas themselves.
一是披萨本身。
They were frozen, and they were the size of room service pizzas, not real pizzas from a pizzeria.
它们是冷冻的，大小相当于客房服务披萨，而不是披萨店的真正披萨。
Smallest just nine inches.
最小的只有九英寸。
A large was the size of an old vinyl LP.
大的有一张旧黑胶唱片的大小。
The other flaw was the delivery outfit.
另一个缺陷是送货装备。
Conceivably, the room service waiters could have just changed out of their polyester tux jackets and bow ties back into street clothes and then pretended to be pizza delivery guys.
可以想象，客房服务服务员可能会脱下涤纶燕尾服和领结，换回便装，然后假装是披萨送货员。
Or they could have stayed in uniform and told the guests that they had intercepted the pizza on the way up.
或者他们也可以穿着制服告诉客人他们在上楼的路上截获了披萨。
Instead of either of those options, though, the food and beverage manager chose--
然而，食品和饮料经理没有选择任何一个，而是选择了——
A very strange garment, the like I've never seen before or since, which was sort of a kind of peppermint-striped apron.
一件非常奇怪的衣服，就像我以前或之后从未见过的那样，有点像薄荷条纹围裙。
White with vertical red stripes.
白色带有垂直的红色条纹。
And it was huge.
而且它很大。
It was enormous.
这是巨大的。
I was absolutely, you know, lost in this bizarre garment.
你知道，我完全迷失在这件奇怪的衣服里。
And it came with a floppy hat made of the same basic fabric.
它还配有一顶由相同基本面料制成的软帽。
None of it looked like anything any pizza delivery guy in this hemisphere had ever worn.
这些衣服看起来都不像这个半球的披萨送货员穿过的任何东西。
And all sort of protested that this is a terrible flaw in your illusion.
所有人都抗议说这是你的幻觉中的一个可怕的缺陷。
Because we had just been in the room.
因为我们刚刚在房间里。
The waiter, you'd go up and you'd deliver a six pack of beer.
服务员，你上去递上六瓶啤酒。
And then 20 minutes later, you'd be back with the same face--
然后二十分钟后，你又会带着同样的面孔回来——
To the same room?
去同一个房间？
Cliff Doerksen But dressed as this-- I always thought of it as a rodeo clown costume.
Cliff Doerksen 但是穿成这样——我一直认为它是牛仔竞技小丑服装。
If you'd send me in as a rodeo clown when I'd just been there as a room service waiter, it's going to stimulate suspicion.
如果你派我去当牛仔竞技小丑，而我刚刚在那里担任客房服务服务员，这会引起怀疑。
Plus, it was humiliating to wear this ridiculous getup.
另外，穿这种可笑的服装是一种耻辱。
And then it was so stupid.
然后就太傻了。
It was just done so badly.
只是做得太糟糕了。
No matter if it was done badly.
就算做得不好也无所谓。
It was done just well enough, with just enough of the details right, the menus, the outside phone line, that it made lots of money, right from the start.
它做得足够好，细节、菜单、外部电话线都做得足够好，从一开始就赚了很多钱。
Did guests ever say anything indicating that they were onto the scam?
客人是否说过任何表明他们陷入骗局的言论？
People gave you weird looks.
人们用奇怪的眼神看着你。
But only once did somebody completely tip their hand, and did somebody ask me.
但只有一次有人完全伸出了手，有人问我。
The guy, he's busy signing his name on the check.
那家伙正忙着在支票上签上自己的名字。
And he says, "So." And he sort of gives me a smile.
他说：“所以。”他给了我一个微笑。
He's not being confrontational.
他并不是在对抗。
He's being sort of sardonic.
他的语气有点讽刺。
And he says, "So just exactly where is Giorgio's Pizza, anyway?"
他说：“那么乔治披萨店究竟在哪里？”
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
这是来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our show, bait and switch.
今天在我们的节目中，诱饵和转换。
We have four stories.
我们有四个故事。
In some of these stories are people running the scam running the bait and switch, are unrepentant.
在其中一些故事中，人们运行骗局，运行诱饵和开关，毫不悔改。
In some they feel guilty, they feel contrite.
有些人感到内疚、悔恨。
But in all of theses scams, once you know it's a scam, you can't believe people try to pull it off with a straight face.
但在所有这些骗局中，一旦你知道这是一个骗局，你就无法相信人们会板着脸将其骗走。
Our four acts involve a car, a fake valentine, a fake girlfriend, and treating people for the Lord Almighty.
我们的四幕活动包括一辆汽车、一个假情人、一个假女朋友，以及为万能的主待人。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One Neighborhood Watch.
第一幕邻里守望。
We begin in Austin, Texas, with some people who want nothing more than the best for all concerned.
我们从德克萨斯州奥斯汀开始，一些人只想为所有相关人员提供最好的服务。
Michael May tells what happened.
迈克尔·梅讲述了发生的事情。
Mark Douglas Ledford is 39 years old and plays in several punk rock bands.
马克·道格拉斯·莱德福德 (Mark Douglas Ledford) 现年 39 岁，在多个朋克摇滚乐队中演奏。
But don't let that give you the wrong impression.
但不要让这给你留下错误的印象。
He's a Good Samaritan kind of guy.
他是一个好撒玛利亚人。
A tattoo across his chest reads, "To whom much is given, much is required." He owns his own home and has a day job.
他胸前的纹身写着：“给予者多，要求者也多。”他拥有自己的房子并有一份日常工作。
November 29, 2007 started off like any other work day.
2007 年 11 月 29 日就像任何其他工作日一样开始。
It was a Thursday morning.
那是一个星期四的早晨。
I went to work.
我去上班了。
I came home, I pulled into the driveway, and there was a car parked on the curb near my driveway.
我回到家，把车开进车道，有一辆车停在我车道附近的路边。
I noticed that the windows were down, and the doors were unlocked, and the keys were in the ignition, and it was kind of a big dangly keychain.
我注意到车窗已经放下，车门没有锁，钥匙插在点火开关上，就像一个摇摇欲坠的大钥匙链。
Like it looked like a girl's keychain.
就像它看起来像一个女孩的钥匙扣。
It had a bunch of stuff hanging off of it.
它上面挂着一堆东西。
Something was off.
出了什么问题。
Mark lives a few miles north of downtown in a ranch home that sits on a corner of a quiet street with only one house nearby.
马克住在市中心以北几英里处的一栋牧场住宅中，该住宅坐落在一条安静街道的拐角处，附近只有一所房子。
The only people who park on this stretch are Mark's bandmates when they come over to practice.
唯一把车停在这条路段上的是马克的乐队成员，他们过来练习时。
And so I immediately walked across the street to my neighbor Sarah's house.
于是我立即穿过街道来到邻居莎拉家。
And I knocked on the door, and I said, hey, do you have company over?
我敲了敲门，我说，嘿，有人来吗？
I think they left the keys in the ignition over there.
我想他们把钥匙留在了那边的点火开关里。
And she said, I don't know whose car that is.
她说，我不知道那是谁的车。
And when I went back by and looked at it again, it looked to me like something had happened.
当我回去再看一遍时，我觉得好像发生了什么事。
Like someone left their car abruptly.
就像有人突然离开了他们的车。
And I thought it was suspicious enough, I went in and I dialed 911.
我觉得这已经足够可疑了，我进去拨打了 911。
It was not even like 10 minutes, and there was a knock at the door, and it was a police officer.
还不到10分钟，就有人敲门，是一名警察。
They said, did you report this car?
他们说，你举报这辆车了吗？
And I said, yeah, isn't that crazy?
我说，是啊，这不是疯了吗？
And they said, well, what's the problem?
他们说，好吧，有什么问题吗？
It's legally parked.
是合法停车的。
And I said, well, the windows are down and the key's in ignition.
我说，好吧，车窗已经放下，钥匙已经点火了。
And they said, well, you know, you'd be surprised what we see out here.
他们说，好吧，你知道，你会对我们在这里看到的东西感到惊讶。
And I was just like, are you kidding me?
我当时就想，你在开玩笑吗？
And so my thought was, OK.
所以我的想法是，好吧。
Well, maybe it doesn't seem strange to you, but it seems strange to me.
好吧，也许这对你来说并不奇怪，但对我来说却很奇怪。
Can you contact the owner or can you do something?
您可以联系店主或者您可以做点什么吗？
Because they seemed just reluctant to do anything.
因为他们似乎不愿意做任何事情。
And the officers' response at that time was, well, you know.
官员们当时的反应是，嗯，你知道。
People, they buy these cars and they don't get them registered properly.
人们，他们买了这些汽车，却没有正确注册。
I guess I could do a cross check on it.
我想我可以对其进行交叉检查。
And at that point, I was frustrated.
那时，我很沮丧。
And I said, listen.
我说，听着。
I don't know what your procedure is.
我不知道你的程序是什么。
They say if you see suspicious things in your neighborhood, report them.
他们说，如果您在附近发现可疑的事情，请报告。
I'm reporting it.
我正在报告。
And there you go.
就这样吧。
And the officer went back to their car and drove off.
这名警官回到车上开走了。
There's women's clothing in the backseat.
后座有女装。
And not just like women's, but like, a women's, like-- they looked like stripper clothes, and then men's work boots and rope.
不仅像女装，而且像女装一样——它们看起来像脱衣舞服，然后是男式工作靴和绳子。
This is Mark's girlfriend at the time, Asia Ward.
这是马克当时的女朋友艾莎·沃德。
She's younger than Mark, 21.
她比马克年轻，21 岁。
A cute gothy girl with a thing for zombie movies.
一个可爱的哥特女孩，喜欢僵尸电影。
Likes to read books about serial killers.
喜欢阅读有关连环杀手的书籍。
They both started to imagine all sorts of sinister scenarios.
两人都开始想象各种险恶的场景。
Like some poor little stripper lady was taken from her work and like murdered, and this is her car.
就像某个可怜的脱衣舞娘被从工作中夺走并被谋杀一样，而这是她的车。
Because if that cop walked by, even if they weren't going to do anything about it, they could have at least been like, oh, yeah.
因为如果那个警察走过，即使他们不打算采取任何行动，他们至少也会说，哦，是的。
Get right on that.
就这样吧。
And like, made us feel better about it, you know?
就像，让我们感觉更好，你知道吗？
Or said that they were going to investigate it, or looked at it, been like, yeah, this does seem kind of weird.
或者说他们要调查它，或者看着它，就像，是的，这看起来确实有点奇怪。
Because it does!
因为确实如此！
Like, if you think that that doesn't seem weird then there's something wrong with you!
就像，如果你认为这看起来并不奇怪，那么你就有问题了！
You know?
你知道？
That's a fishy situation right there.
那里的情况很可疑。
By the next day, Friday, neighbors are trying to worry, too, about the car.
到了第二天，即星期五，邻居们也开始担心这辆车的情况。
Sarah, the woman who lives across the street, even calls the cops again and sends Mark a text to let him know she's on the case.
住在街对面的女人莎拉甚至再次打电话给警察，并向马克发送短信，让他知道她正在处理此案。
That night, Mark goes to play a gig in San Antonio.
那天晚上，马克去圣安东尼奥演出。
And when he and Asia roll back home around midnight, there's the car, still just sitting there with the keys dangling from the ignition.
当他和阿莎在午夜左右回到家时，汽车仍然停在那里，钥匙挂在点火开关上。
So when I came home Saturday night, I expected the car to be gone.
所以当我星期六晚上回家时，我预计汽车会消失。
I expected them to have towed it away.
我原以为他们会把它拖走的。
And at that point, I was just like-- I had it.
那时，我就像——我已经做到了。
I was like, OK.
我当时想，好吧。
We're going to figure out what's going on with this car.
我们要弄清楚这辆车出了什么问题。
That's it.
就是这样。
And I was like, well, there has to be insurance papers, business card, something in the car that'll let us know who the car belongs to, and maybe we can call them and tell them, your car's parked here.
我当时想，嗯，车里必须有保险文件、名片、能让我们知道这辆车属于谁的东西，也许我们可以打电话给他们，告诉他们，你的车停在这里。
And at this point we're thinking, there might be a dead body, someone bound and gagged, it's a crime scene.
此时我们在想，可能有一具尸体，有人被捆绑并堵住嘴，这是一个犯罪现场。
And I'm like, well, I don't want to put my fingerprints all over a situation like that.
我想，好吧，我不想在这样的情况下留下我的指纹。
So I put some gloves on.
所以我戴上了手套。
I consciously go, I'm going to put gloves on so I don't leave fingerprints.
我自觉地走过去，戴上手套，这样就不会留下指纹。
And they're black knit gloves, and they have like a little skeleton screenprint on them.
它们是黑色针织手套，上面有一个小骷髅丝网印刷。
So I get the gloves, and I open the door, and I start going through the glove box.
所以我拿起手套，打开门，开始检查手套箱。
And I didn't see anything.
而我什么也没看到。
And I was talking to Asia.
我正在和亚洲交谈。
She's standing on the sidewalk.
她站在人行道上。
And I'm saying, there's nothing in the glove box.
我是说，手套箱里什么也没有。
I go through the console.
我通过控制台。
And then I would get out of the car and close the door.
然后我会下车并关上门。
And then we were talking, well, should I go in the truck?
然后我们讨论，好吧，我应该坐卡车吗？
OK, go in the trunk.
好的，进后备箱。
And so I'd open the door again, and I'd go back in the car, and I got the keys out of the ignition.
所以我会再次打开车门，然后回到车里，然后从点火开关中取出钥匙。
And I tried to open the trunk, and it was like when I'd stick the key in, it was like there's something jammed in the lock.
我试图打开后备箱，当我把钥匙插进去时，就像有东西卡在锁里一样。
And I was like, listen.
我当时想，听着。
I'm going to get a screwdriver.
我去拿一把螺丝刀。
I'm going to open the trunk.
我要打开后备箱。
If I break somebody's lock, I'll pay them back.
如果我打破了别人的锁，我会还钱给他们。
You know, whatever.
你知道，无论如何。
We're just going to get to the bottom of what's going on here.
我们只是要弄清楚这里到底发生了什么。
And you know, I mean, I don't know what to do.
你知道，我的意思是，我不知道该怎么办。
I just stuck the flat blade screwdriver in the keyhole tried to turn it, and it wouldn't do anything.
我只是将一字螺丝刀插在钥匙孔中试图转动它，但没有任何作用。
So he puts the screwdriver down and gets back into the car, and is digging through the center console.
于是他放下螺丝刀，回到车里，开始挖掘中控台。
And he looks out the window, and he's just like, hey, Asia, is that a cop?
他看着窗外，他就像，嘿，亚洲，那是警察吗？
And Asia was like, no. And I go, that sure looks like a cop.
亚洲的反应是，不。我走了，那看起来确实像个警察。
And right about the time I say, I don't think so, out of nowhere--
就在我突然说，我不这么认为的时候——
Get on the ground!
趴在地上！
Mark Douglas Ledford OK, sure.
马克·道格拉斯·莱德福德 好的，当然。
Get on it!
开始吧！
Get on the ground!
趴在地上！
Asia Ward No.
亚洲区号
Suddenly they were surrounded by cop cars.
突然，他们被警车包围了。
Hey, we live right here.
嘿，我们就住在这里。
Policeman Get on the ground!
警察趴在地上！
And they tell me to get on the ground and I said no, and Mark is just like, get on the ground!
他们告诉我要趴在地上，我拒绝了，马克就说，趴在地上！
Like, Asia, you need to get on the ground.
就像亚洲一样，你需要脚踏实地。
Because I was so shocked!
因为我太震惊了！
Like, I wasn't doing anything wrong.
就像，我没有做错任何事。
I was trying to help them out because they didn't want to do their job, is the way I was thinking, right?
我试图帮助他们，因为他们不想做他们的工作，这就是我的想法，对吗？
And I was like, get on the ground!
我当时想，趴到地上吧！
They will shoot.
他们会开枪。
You know?
你知道？
Like, get on the ground.
比如，趴在地上。
And so she laid down on the ground.
于是她就躺倒在地上了。
And it wasn't long.
而且时间不长。
There were like six cops there, just like that.
那里大约有六名警察，就这样。
Don't move, don't talk!
别动，别说话！
Asia Ward And one of the police officers is like, you thought you'd go for a joyride!
Asia Ward 一位警察说，你以为你会去兜风！
And then throws me in the cop car.
然后把我扔进警车。
And I'm like, dude, they thought we took the car?
我想，伙计，他们以为我们开走了车？
Like, they thought we stole this car and drove it around?
就像，他们认为我们偷了这辆车并开着它到处跑？
And I'm freaking out.
我吓坏了。
Mark and Asia are handcuffed and put into separate cop cars, still with no idea what's going on, and told to wait for a detective to show up and interview them.
马克和亚洲被戴上手铐，放进不同的警车，仍然不知道发生了什么事，并被告知等待侦探出现并采访他们。
Finally, he arrives.
终于，他来了。
Detective John Spillers.
侦探约翰·斯皮勒斯。
And he starts asking questions.
他开始提问。
And he asks, he says, do you mind if I record this?
他问，他说，你介意我录下来吗？
And he's like, you have the right not to say anything.
他说，你有权不说什么。
And I was like, yeah, I don't care.
我当时想，是的，我不在乎。
I'll tell you whatever you want to know.
你想知道的我都会告诉你。
Like, I haven't done anything wrong.
比如说，我没有做错任何事。
I'm not hiding anything.
我没有隐瞒任何事情。
Like, I'll tell you whatever.
就像，我会告诉你任何事情。
So he's like OK.
所以他感觉还好。
And I was like, I don't need a lawyer or anything.
我当时想，我不需要律师或任何东西。
So he turns on his recorder, and I tell him exactly what happened.
于是他打开录音机，我告诉他到底发生了什么。
Thursday night I was coming to visit him, and I was walking from the bus stop to his house, and I saw the car outside, and I was like, hey, is somebody here?
星期四晚上我要去拜访他，我从公交车站步行到他家，我看到外面有车，我就想，嘿，有人在这里吗？
And he's like, oh, no, the car's been there since, I guess, that morning?
他说，哦，不，我想，从那天早上起，那辆车就一直在那儿了？
And he said that he had called the cops and a [UNINTELLIGIBLE] officers did come out, but say the car wasn't reported stolen or anything and there was nothing they could do about it.
他说他已经报了警，确实有一名[无法辨认]的警察出来了，但他说汽车没有被报告被盗或发生任何事情，他们对此无能为力。
They said that they were going to have to talk with some witnesses about me going in the car.
他们说他们将不得不与一些目击者谈论我上车的情况。
And I said, you don't need to talk to any witnesses.
我说，你不需要与任何证人交谈。
I'm telling you, I went in the car.
我告诉你，我坐车去了。
I mean, if you find out who owns it, you know, I would gladly pay for the repair of the lock.
我的意思是，如果你知道谁拥有它，你知道，我很乐意支付修锁费用。
What I think we're going to do tonight is, I'm going to verify some things from the office.
我想我们今晚要做的是，我要从办公室核实一些事情。
What I will probably end up doing is examine the photos suspects for you and her.
我最终可能会做的是检查你和她的可疑照片。
That way--
这样——
In case you didn't catch that, Detective Spillers is calling them suspects and talking about interviewing witnesses.
如果你没听清楚，斯皮勒斯警探称他们为嫌疑人，并正在谈论采访证人。
He says a neighbor reported them breaking into the car.
他说，一位邻居报告说他们闯入了汽车。
Well, the person who calls in saying there's people out here.
嗯，打电话来的人说有人在这里。
I mean, as investigator, I have to do my job.
我的意思是，作为调查员，我必须做好我的工作。
Oh, OK.
哦，好吧。
Well, I mean, you don't even have to have a lineup.
嗯，我的意思是，你甚至不需要排队。
I'll tell you [UNINTELLIGIBLE] out here.
我会在这里告诉你[无法理解]。
Finally, after a few hours of talking with Mark and Asia, who explain everything, including the calls to 911, and after talking with Sarah across the street, the cops leave without arresting anyone.
最后，在与马克和亚洲交谈了几个小时后，他们解释了一切，包括拨打 911 的电话，并与街对面的莎拉交谈后，警察离开了，没有逮捕任何人。
Asia said they even shook hands.
阿莎说他们甚至握手了。
Yeah.
是的。
All right, great.
好吧，太好了。
Well, thank you.
嗯，谢谢。
Thank you, ma'am.
谢谢你，女士。
Michael May But there's one thing the cops didn't tell them-- a crucial detail that made the whole thing make sense.
迈克尔·梅：但是警察没有告诉他们一件事——一个让整件事变得有意义的关键细节。
The police had put the car there themselves.
警察自己把车停在那里。
There were no witnesses, no neighbors who saw them break into the car, and for that matter, no victims.
没有目击者，没有邻居看到他们闯入汽车，就此而言，也没有受害者。
The car is what's known as the bait vehicle, and it was out with surveillance cameras and microphones assigned to lure and catch car thieves.
这辆车就是所谓的诱饵车，上面装有监控摄像头和麦克风，用于引诱和抓捕偷车贼。
The gear was in the truck, which is why Mark couldn't get in it with the key.
装备在卡车里，这就是为什么马克无法用钥匙进入卡车的原因。
Police departments across the country use bait cars.
全国各地的警察部门都使用诱饵车。
It's even funded by major insurance companies.
它甚至由主要保险公司提供资金。
And that's because it's effective.
那是因为它很有效。
The police can sit back and wait for someone to take the car.
警察可以坐下来等待有人来拿车。
Then the suspect comes in for booking, complete with their crime preserved on videotape.
然后犯罪嫌疑人前来预约，并将他们的犯罪行为完整地保存在录像带上。
If this sounds like a setup, legally, bait cars are not considered entrapment.
如果这听起来像是一个设置，从法律上讲，诱饵车不被视为诱捕。
Just like it's not entrapment for an undercover cop to stand on a street corner dressed as a hooker.
就像卧底警察打扮成妓女站在街角并不构成陷阱一样。
For it to be entrapment, the cop would have to egg you on, would have to suggest that you pay for sex or steal the car, and that's not what they're doing here.
为了让它陷入陷阱，警察必须怂恿你，必须建议你付钱买性或偷车，而这不是他们在这里做的。
The Austin Police made 70 arrests last year using bait cars, and Mark and Asia were about to become another statistic.
奥斯汀警方去年使用诱饵车逮捕了 70 人，马克和亚洲即将成为另一个统计数字。
Around two weeks later, on December 17, Asia's birthday, the couple is woken up at 6 AM.
大约两周后，也就是 12 月 17 日，亚洲的生日，这对夫妇早上 6 点就被叫醒。
There are flashlights being beamed into Mark's bedroom window.
手电筒照射到马克卧室的窗户上。
I had stayed the night at Mark's house and then we hear banging on his door in the morning.
我在马克家住了一晚，然后早上我们听到有人敲他的门。
And we wake up, and he goes and he answers the door, and it's two police officers.
我们醒了，他走过去开门，是两名警察。
And he is just assuming that they're going to ask him more questions about the car, but they actually say, we have warrant for your arrest and we're going to take you to jail.
他只是假设他们会问他更多有关汽车的问题，但他们实际上说，我们有逮捕令，我们将把你送进监狱。
And he's like, are you kidding me?
他就像，你在开玩笑吗？
I felt really upset, you know?
我感到非常难过，你知道吗？
Like you're going in jail for what?
就好像你因为什么而进监狱？
And plus, it's early in the morning, so I'm just like, you're going to jail, like, what?
而且，现在是凌晨，所以我就想，你要进监狱了，比如，什么？
They asked me if anybody else was in the house and I said, well, yeah, my girlfriend Asia.
他们问我房子里是否还有其他人，我说，嗯，是的，我的女朋友阿莎。
And they go, well, we have a warrant for her arrest, too.
他们说，好吧，我们也有逮捕她的逮捕令。
We were about to go get her, too.
我们也正准备去接她。
And I was like, what?
我当时想，什么？
The officers show them arrest warrants for burglary of a vehicle, a charge that could land them in jail for up to a year.
警察向他们出示了盗窃车辆的逮捕令，这项指控可能会让他们入狱长达一年。
They're confused, arrested for something they didn't do, and they still don't know it's a bait car.
他们很困惑，因为自己没有做过的事情而被捕，而且他们仍然不知道这是一辆诱饵车。
In the waiting room at the jail, Mark whispers "happy birthday" across the room to Asia.
在监狱的候诊室里，马克在房间的另一边向亚洲低声说“生日快乐”。
It's against the rules, and he gets thrown in solitary confinement.
这是违反规定的，他被单独监禁。
He's in there half the day, and he doesn't exactly handle it like a hardened criminal.
他在那里呆了半天，而且他并没有像一个顽固的罪犯那样处理这件事。
I mean, they put me in some little isolation room for a while.
我的意思是，他们把我放在一个小隔离室里一段时间。
And I was like, are you kidding me?
我当时想，你在开玩笑吗？
But yeah.
但是是的。
And I kind of lost my mind in the cell.
我在牢房里有点失去了理智。
They took all my clothes, and they gave me this jumpsuit, and they stuck me in a cell.
他们拿走了我所有的衣服，给了我这套连衣裤，然后把我关进了牢房。
And they had these slippers, and when I would walk, they would go, [SQUEAKING].
他们有这些拖鞋，当我走路时，他们会走，[吱吱作响]。
And I thought that there was a cat somewhere in maybe the violation duct, and I was like, how did you get in there, little guy?
我觉得违规管道里可能有一只猫，我就想，小家伙，你是怎么进去的？
Are you OK?
你还好吗？
I was, like, [BLEEP] losing it.
我就像，[BLEEP]失去了它。
And it was weird, because he would only meow whatever I walked around in the cell.
这很奇怪，因为无论我在牢房里走动什么，他都会喵喵叫。
Then I'd sit down, he'd get real quiet, and I'd be like, are you OK, little guy?
然后我坐下来，他会变得非常安静，我会说，你还好吗，小家伙？
I didn't realize until they like, they go, you're going to be released, and I was walking down the hallway, and I could hear the little [SQUEAKING] of the slippers.
我没有意识到，直到他们愿意，他们走了，你就要被释放了，我沿着走廊走，我能听到拖鞋的轻微[吱吱]声。
Yeah.
是的。
I was tripping.
我绊倒了。
To be fair, Mark and Asia's case is very unusual.
公平地说，马克和亚洲的案例很不寻常。
Bait cars are usually played in high crime areas to trap people who already have criminal records.
诱饵车通常在犯罪率高的地区进行，以诱捕已经有犯罪记录的人。
In this case, it was part on a quiet street in a nice neighborhood, just blocks from a high school, right where dozens of kids walk by each day.
在这个例子中，它位于一个漂亮社区的一条安静街道上，距离一所高中仅几个街区，每天都有数十个孩子从那里经过。
The police were less likely to catch a hardened car thief and more likely to snare someone drunk or high or broke or bored who'd walk by and see the car just sitting there with the keys in it.
警察不太可能抓到顽固的偷车贼，而更有可能抓到那些喝醉了、喝醉了、破产了或无聊的人，他们路过时看到汽车就停在那里，钥匙就在里面。
Case in point.
举个例子。
Turns out Mark and Asia weren't the only ones on their block snared by the bait car.
事实证明，马克和亚洲并不是他们所在街区唯一被诱饵车困住的人。
The boyfriend of their neighbor Sarah, who had no criminal record, drove the car on Friday night around one in the morning.
他们的邻居莎拉的男朋友没有犯罪记录，他于周五晚上凌晨一点左右开车。
He drove down the block, turned it around, and parked it in the exact same spot.
他把车开到街区，掉头，把车停在同一个地方。
He was caught on video, laughing hysterically as he rolls down the block, with Willie Nelson's "On the Road Again" cranked up on the stereo.
视频拍到他在街上滚下时歇斯底里地大笑，音响里播放着威利·尼尔森的《再次上路》。
He was charged with a felony.
他被指控犯有重罪。
After spending the day in jail, Mark and Asia are released, and right away they get a lawyer and start trying to get to the bottom of this whole mess.
在监狱里待了一天后，马克和阿莎被释放，他们立即聘请了律师，并开始试图查明整个混乱的真相。
That's when they finally learn it's a bait car.
就在那时，他们终于知道这是一辆诱饵车。
That meant that when Mark called 911, the officer who answered the call went so far as to deceive him at his own home.
这意味着，当马克拨打 911 时，接听电话的警官竟然在他自己家里欺骗了他。
He was furious.
他很愤怒。
And a lot of things ran through my head at that point.
那时我脑子里闪过了很多事情。
I was like, you know, even at best, they've just planted something to lure a criminal element 15 feet away from my bedroom window.
我当时想，你知道，即使是最好的情况，他们也只是在离我卧室窗户 15 英尺远的地方种植了一些东西来引诱犯罪分子。
You know?
你知道？
And then secondly, the conversation with the officer jumped to mind.
其次，我脑海中浮现出与警官的谈话。
I'm like, that cop knew exactly that that was a bait car, and sat there and lied to me that, oh, what's the problem, oh, you'd be surprised what we see around here, oh, these people don't register these cars, right?
我想，那个警察确切地知道那是一辆诱饵车，然后坐在那里对我撒谎，哦，有什么问题，哦，你会对我们在这里看到的东西感到惊讶，哦，这些人没有注册这些汽车，对吧？
All of that was a lie, and they knew.
所有这些都是谎言，他们知道。
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, how about the night you were detained?
我是说，你被拘留的那天晚上怎么样？
They didn't-- did that change the way you were thinking about their conversation when they said they had a tip, and someone had reported you at the car?
他们没有——当他们说他们有小费并且有人在车里举报你时，这是否改变了你对他们谈话的看法？
Yeah.
是的。
Which once again was a lie.
这又是一个谎言。
I was pissed, yeah.
我很生气，是的。
I was pissed.
我很生气。
I repeatedly asked the police and prosecutors to explain their actions, but they refused to go on record.
我多次要求警方和检察官解释他们的行为，但他们拒绝记录。
But Travis County attorney David Escamilla told a newspaper that nobody thinks Mark wanted to steal the car, but quote, "It's not appropriate to go out and jimmy the lock on the trunk of a car that doesn't belong to you."
但特拉维斯县检察官大卫·埃斯卡米拉告诉一家报纸，没有人认为马克想偷这辆车，但他引用道：“出去撬开不属于你的汽车后备箱的锁是不合适的。”
Detective Spiller's affidavit also focuses on the fact that Mark tried to break into the trunk with a screwdriver, and even wore gloves like a real criminal.
斯皮勒侦探的证词还重点提到马克试图用螺丝刀闯入后备箱，甚至像真正的罪犯一样戴着手套。
And there are couple important details Detective Spillers has left out of the affidavit.
斯皮勒斯警探在宣誓书中遗漏了一些重要细节。
He doesn't mention that the car was parked in front of Mark's home, nor that Mark had called 911 as soon as he saw the car, or that Sarah had also called, or that there is surveillance video of Mark milling around, looking through papers in the glove compartment for 20 minutes.
他没有提到那辆车停在马克家门前，也没有提到马克一看到车就拨打了911，也没有提到莎拉也打过电话，也没有提到监控录像显示马克在杂物箱里转来转去，翻看杂物箱里的文件长达20分钟。
No. Instead, Detective Spillers concludes that he, quote, "believes this section constitutes more than mere curiosity or trying to locate the owner's information."
不。 相反，斯皮勒斯警探得出的结论是，他“相信这一部分不仅仅是出于好奇或试图找到所有者的信息。”
The prosecutors were put in a tough spot with this one, given all the evidence of the couple's innocence.
鉴于这对夫妇无罪的所有证据，检察官在这件事上陷入了困境。
They almost immediately offered a deal.
他们几乎立即提出了一笔交易。
If Mark and Asia stayed out of trouble for a year, the prosecutors would completely drop the charges.
如果马克和亚洲一年内不陷入困境，检察官将完全撤销指控。
So we were going to take that offer, but then the other little small print of the offer was that you signed a guilty confession.
所以我们打算接受这个提议，但这个提议的另一个小字是你签署了一份有罪供述。
And I refused to do that.
我拒绝这样做。
I said no, and Mark did too.
我说不，马克也这么做了。
Both of us were like, we are not signing guilty confessions, because we didn't do this.
我们俩都说，我们不会签署认罪书，因为我们没有这样做。
And what we did do, we believe we were in the right for doing.
我们相信我们所做的都是正确的。
So I mean, we're not signing a guilty confession.
所以我的意思是，我们不会签署有罪供述。
And I said no, you know?
我说不，你知道吗？
We'll just go ahead and go to trial.
我们将继续进行审判。
And I think if six of my peers here this story and apply any sort of level of common sense, no one's going to find me guilty of burglarizing a vehicle.
我认为，如果我的六位同行在这里讲述这个故事并应用任何程度的常识，那么没有人会发现我犯有盗窃车辆的罪行。
So instead, Mark and Asia demand a jury trial.
因此，马克和亚洲要求陪审团审判。
But like everything leading up to this point, it's not so simple.
但就像到目前为止的所有事情一样，事情并不那么简单。
For more than a year and a half, they regularly show up for court ready for the trial, and for one reason or another, are repeatedly told it's being postponed.
在一年半多的时间里，他们定期出庭，为审判做好准备，但由于这样或那样的原因，他们一再被告知审判将被推迟。
Finally, out of desperation, they decide to talk to the media-- me.
最后，出于绝望，他们决定向媒体——我——倾诉。
I wrote a story for the daily paper, the Austin American-Statesman, and the next week, prosecutors call with a much better offer.
我为日报《奥斯汀美国政治家》写了一篇报道，下周，检察官打电话提出了更好的报价。
Asia's case would be dismissed outright, since she never technically entered the vehicle.
阿莎的案件将被彻底驳回，因为从技术上讲，她从未进入过车内。
Mark could plead no contest to criminal mischief, a class C misdemeanor, same as a traffic ticket.
马克无法对刑事恶作剧提出任何抗辩，这是 C 级轻罪，与交通罚单相同。
And if he stayed out of trouble for a month, the charge would be dismissed.
如果他一个月内不惹麻烦，指控就会被撤销。
He takes the deal.
他接受了这笔交易。
I don't know.
我不知道。
There's a lot of things about the whole situation that just really piss me off, you know?
整个情况中有很多事情真的让我很生气，你知道吗？
And I try not to-- I try to keep it funny, because at times, I can get really angry about the situation.
我尽量不这样做——我尽量让它变得有趣，因为有时，我会对这种情况感到非常生气。
Mark and Asia paid a pretty high price.
马克和亚洲付出了相当高的代价。
Asia wants to work with kids, and for the past two years, she couldn't even get a volunteer position because of the burglary charge on her record.
阿莎想要与孩子们一起工作，在过去的两年里，由于她的入室盗窃指控，她甚至无法获得志愿者职位。
It's cost them $3,000 for lawyers and to get their records expunged.
他们花费了 3,000 美元聘请律师并删除他们的记录。
But there are less tangible effects, as well.
但也有一些不太明显的影响。
Asia works at a toy store, and a few months ago, someone left a cell phone on the floor.
阿莎在一家玩具店工作，几个月前，有人把一部手机落在地板上。
At first, Asia didn't touch it, just let it sit there, ringing and ringing and ringing.
起初，爱莎并没有碰它，只是让它坐在那里，响啊响啊响。
She was thinking, it's not mine.
她心里想，这不是我的。
Could be a trap.
可能是一个陷阱。
Is it worth the risk?
值得冒这个风险吗？
Eventually, she picked up the phone.
最终，她还是拿起了电话。
Michael May.
迈克尔·梅.
When he's not chasing parked cars, he is books and culture editor at the Texas Observer.
当他不追逐停放的汽车时，他是《德克萨斯观察家报》的图书和文化编辑。
Coming up-- a message from Madonna on your home answering machine, and other really scary bait and switch techniques from people who feel they have no choice in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
即将推出——当我们的节目继续时，麦当娜在你的家庭答录机上发来一条消息，以及其他真正可怕的诱饵和转换技术，这些人觉得自己别无选择，一分钟内就会从芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台发出。
This American Life.
这美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our show we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show-- Bait and Switch.
今天的节目——诱饵和开关。
There was a flyer taped to the wall by the water fountain in the English department at Penn State this week.
本周，宾夕法尼亚州立大学英语系喷泉旁的墙上贴着一张传单。
It says, "Raw," and then underneath it in bigger letters it says, "Sex," then underneath that, "Everything you need to know." And then under that, a website, rawsex.psu.org, and then under that, an address and time for a meeting of some sort.
上面写着“原始”，然后在下面用更大的字母写着“性”，然后在下面写着“你需要知道的一切”。然后在其下是一个网站，rawsex.psu.org，在其下是某种会议的地址和时间。
And then under that, at the very bottom, in teenie-weenie little type, you have to look very closely, it says, "Hosted by Orthodox Christian Fellowship, a ministry of Holy Trinity Orthodox Church."
然后在下面，在最底部，用很小的字体，你必须仔细看，它说，“由东正教基督教团契主办，圣三一东正教的一个事工。”
This flyer, yes, is a not-very-disguised bait and switch for Jesus.
是的，这张传单是耶稣的一个不加掩饰的诱饵和开关。
Which means us to the next act of our show, Act Two, Raw Sex, in which there will be no sex, but there will be a bunch of Jesus.
这意味着我们要进入演出的下一幕，第二幕，原始性爱，其中不会有性，但会有一群耶稣。
One of our contributors, Dave Dickerson, was raised as an evangelical, and he says baiting and switching was just taken as a given.
我们的贡献者之一戴夫·迪克森 (Dave Dickerson) 从小就是一名福音派人士，他说诱饵和转换被视为理所当然。
After all, being an evangelical comes with a huge responsibility to bring nonbelievers to God.
毕竟，作为一名福音派信徒，肩负着将非信徒带到上帝面前的巨大责任。
You have to.
你必须这样做。
You know, Jesus actually said, go out into all the world and preach the gospel.
你知道，耶稣实际上说过，要到全世界去传福音。
And at the same time, we're also told, and they're going to hate you, just like they hated me.
与此同时，我们还被告知，他们会恨你，就像他们恨我一样。
And so you have this kind of Biblical imperative to spread the word to people who don't want to hear it.
因此，你有这种圣经的命令，必须向那些不想听的人传播这个信息。
And Paul at one point says, "Be as innocent as doves and as wise as serpents." And so, you know, a little bit of trickery to sort of like help the medicine go down seems like a reasonable thing to do.
保罗曾说过：“你们要像鸽子一样纯真，像蛇一样聪明。”所以，你知道，采取一些技巧来帮助药物下降似乎是一件合理的事情。
So what would you do?
那么你会怎么做？
Dave Dickerson Well, when I was with Campus Crusade for Christ, who was famous for doing a lot of these things, one time we went out to California-- I was, you know, originally in Tucson.
戴夫·迪克森（Dave Dickerson）：嗯，当我在基督校园传道会（Campus Crusade for Christ）的时候，他因做了很多这样的事情而闻名，有一次我们去了加利福尼亚——你知道，我最初是在图森。
And we went up two people on the beach and said, hey, we're going to have like this luau party tonight!
我们在海滩上找了两个人说，嘿，今晚我们要举办这样的烤猪宴派对！
You know, come!
你知道，来吧！
We had flyers to hand out.
我们有传单要分发。
And then it said, there's going to be music and food and drinks!
然后它说，会有音乐、食物和饮料！
It said "drinks." It didn't say "non-alcoholic" drinks.
上面写着“饮料”。它没有说“非酒精”饮料。
It just said "drinks."
上面只写了“饮料”。
And it was almost shameless.
而且几乎是无耻的。
Because, of course, the women who would go out-- this was spring break-- they were in bikinis, and they were very attractive.
当然，因为出去的女人——现在是春假——她们穿着比基尼，而且非常有吸引力。
And so we could see, they would go up to guys, and of course the guys would take the flyer.
所以我们可以看到，他们会走向男人，当然男人会拿走传单。
And they were going to go to this luau.
他们要去参加这个宴会。
And there was no real tip-off.
而且并没有真正的消息。
It didn't say "Campus Crusade for Christ" at the bottom or anything like that.
它并没有在底部写着“基督校园十字军”或类似的内容。
And when we actually had the actual presentation--
当我们真正进行实际演示时——
Wait, the presentation, you mean the luau?
等等，演示文稿，你是说夏威夷宴会吗？
Yes.
是的。
The "luau," in quotes, was kind of a skit show.
引号中的“luau”是一种短剧表演。
You had the Diet Coke and whatever, and the pretzels.
你喝了健怡可乐之类的东西，还有椒盐卷饼。
But the entertainment was, oh, you know, they would lip sync to Journey.
但娱乐是，哦，你知道，他们会对《旅程》进行口型同步。
There was an air guitar contrast.
有空气吉他的对比。
It was silly stuff that was wholesome and not at all like the wet T-shirt contest stuff they were maybe expecting.
这是一些愚蠢但有益健康的东西，完全不像他们所期待的湿T恤比赛的东西。
And then every two or three episodes, someone would come out and say, you know, I just want to point out that Jesus Christ has made a huge difference in my life.
然后每隔两三集，就会有人出来说，你知道，我只是想指出耶稣基督给我的生活带来了巨大的改变。
And if you have any questions about that, you can talk to some people over here, and we've got literature, blah, blah, blah.
如果你对此有任何疑问，你可以和这里的一些人交谈，我们有文学，等等。
And now back to your program.
现在回到你的程序。
And as this happened, after about the second or third of these sort of commercial interruptions, I could see-- I mean, I was cringing anyway.
当这种情况发生时，在大约第二次或第三次此类商业中断之后，我可以看到——我的意思是，无论如何我都感到畏缩。
I knew this was wrong way to go.
我知道这是错误的做法。
But you could see people looking at each other.
但你可以看到人们互相看着对方。
Like, guys would go, oh.
就像，伙计们会去，哦。
They would look around, and you could see them sort of thinking, these women are not on the market.
他们环顾四周，你可以看到他们在想，这些女性不在市场上。
You know, this is like the almost exact opposite of what we were promised!
你知道，这与我们的承诺几乎完全相反！
And so you would see this a lot.
所以你会经常看到这种情况。
And you would always feel kind of strange about it.
而且你总是会觉得有点奇怪。
Right.
正确的。
I felt like there must be something kind of inherently flawed with the system.
我觉得这个系统一定存在某种固有的缺陷。
I got trained once in doing something-- and this is another classic-- to do a survey, a spiritual survey of people, to walk up and say, hey, we're doing a survey of religious attitudes.
我曾经接受过做某事的训练——这是另一个经典——做一项调查，对人们进行精神调查，然后走上前说，嘿，我们正在做一项宗教态度调查。
So do you believe in God?
那么你相信上帝吗？
What sort of God do you believe in?
你相信什么样的神？
And that kind of thing.
还有那种事。
And it would just ask a series of questions that would eventually lead them to, by the way, do you belong to a church?
它只会问一系列问题，最终引导他们问，顺便问一下，你属于教会吗？
Hey, would you like to join ours?
嘿，你想加入我们吗？
That kind of thing.
那种事。
And we got put into pairs.
我们被分成两两一组。
And this friend of mine and I started at one end of the campus.
我和我的这位朋友从校园的一端开始。
And while we were walking down this thing, I had all these ideas in my head, thinking, OK.
当我们沿着这个东西走的时候，我脑子里有所有这些想法，心想，好吧。
What if they ask, like, who's sponsoring the survey?
如果他们问谁赞助了这项调查怎么办？
Or what statistical model are you using?
或者你使用什么统计模型？
You know, we were in college enough to know that there's a survey, and then there's a survey.
你知道，我们在大学就知道有一项调查，然后还有一项调查。
And we hit a statistics major, we're in trouble.
我们选了统计学专业，我们就有麻烦了。
And one woman came by, and my friend said, I don't know.
一位女士走过来，我的朋友说，我不知道。
She looks kind of busy or angry, so let's avoid that.
她看起来有点忙碌或生气，所以我们要避免这种情况。
And this other guy came by, and he said, this doesn't seem right.
另一个人走过来，他说，这似乎不对。
And we kept talking each other out of confronting people.
我们一直劝说对方不要与人对抗。
We're like halfway down the campus, and finally we just looked at each other and said, we just can't do this, can we?
我们就像在校园的半路上，最后我们只是看着对方说，我们就是不能这样做，不是吗？
But is the thing that bothered you the fact that you're going to have to walk up to strangers, or is the thing that bothered you that you were walking up to strangers under a false pretense?
但是，让你烦恼的是你必须走向陌生人，还是你以虚假的借口走向陌生人？
Oh.
哦。
Well, it was both.
嗯，两者都是。
But clearly the false pretense was supposed to make it easier, was supposed to give us cover so that we didn't seem religious.
但显然，这种虚假的伪装是为了让事情变得更容易，为了给我们提供掩护，这样我们就不会显得虔诚。
And it wasn't fooling us.
这并没有欺骗我们。
So it seemed both false and didn't really help.
所以这看起来既错误又没有真正的帮助。
There's a big debate among evangelicals about how to better reach out to non-believers.
关于如何更好地接触非信徒，福音派之间存在着一场大辩论。
You'll find shelves of books on this at Christian bookstores.
在基督教书店里你会发现书架上摆满了这方面的书籍。
One of the evangelicals who's trying to change some of the old tactics is a guy named Jim Henderson.
吉姆·亨德森（Jim Henderson）是一位试图改变一些旧策略的福音派人士。
And he's tried all kinds of things to reach non-believers.
他尝试了各种方法来接触非信徒。
When a guy named Hement Mehta offered his own soul for sale on eBay to the highest bidder, it was Jim Henderson who won the auction with a $504 bid, which is, you know, cheap for a soul.
当一个名叫赫门特·梅塔 (Hement Mehta) 的人在 eBay 上将自己的灵魂出售给最高出价者时，吉姆·亨德森 (Jim Henderson) 以 504 美元的出价赢得了拍卖，你知道，这对于灵魂来说是便宜的。
And what he we did with that money was he simply asked Mehta to attend a few churches with him and tell them what was persuasive and what put him off.
他用这笔钱所做的就是让梅塔和他一起去几个教堂，告诉他们什么是有说服力的，什么是让他望而却步的。
This project led to a book.
这个项目导致了一本书。
Henderson has another book called Evangelism Without Additives.
亨德森还有另一本书，名为《没有添加剂的传福音》。
He says in his decades as a pastor trying to convert people, he noticed that sinners like Jesus, but they don't like Jesus's people.
他说，在几十年的牧师生涯中，他试图改变人们的信仰，他注意到罪人喜欢耶稣，但他们不喜欢耶稣的子民。
Which led Henderson to completely rethink how he was approaching non-believers.
这导致亨德森彻底重新思考他如何接近非信徒。
It was not an epiphany.
这不是顿悟。
It dawned on me slowly that I was tired of feeling bad.
我慢慢意识到我已经厌倦了糟糕的感觉。
I was tired of thinking about you as a project instead of you as a person.
我厌倦了将你视为一个项目而不是一个人。
And so I didn't like that.
所以我不喜欢那样。
And then I also noticed that in spite of all the preaching I did about this to get other people to do it, they just wouldn't do it.
然后我还注意到，尽管我做了很多宣讲，让其他人这样做，但他们就是不这样做。
I mean, they're just Christians, ordinary Christians, vote with their [UNINTELLIGIBLE], and they just do not participate in these programs.
我的意思是，他们只是基督徒，普通的基督徒，用他们的[无法理解]投票，但他们只是不参与这些计划。
In the programs to evangelize, you mean?
你是说在传福音的节目中？
They wouldn't evangelize?
他们不传福音吗？
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, you can push them for a few days like a diet or something like that, and then it's like, are we done with this now?
我的意思是，你可以让他们坚持几天，比如节食或类似的事情，然后我们就会想，我们现在完成了吗？
Can we go back to our normal life of thinking about ourselves?
我们能回到正常的思考自己的生活吗？
So--
所以——
Usually it doesn't work.
通常它不起作用。
Jim Henderson No, it doesn't work.
吉姆·亨德森 不，这不起作用。
It doesn't work for the same reasons it doesn't work for normal humans.
它不起作用的原因与对正常人不起作用的原因相同。
We don't like being pitched.
我们不喜欢被推销。
We don't like being treated that way.
我们不喜欢被这样对待。
I don't like being invited to a party to kibbitz and chat, and then find out you have a pitch you want to give me.
我不喜欢被邀请参加聚会闲聊，然后发现你有一个要向我推销的东西。
You know, we can smell a sell coming.
你知道，我们可以闻到抛售即将到来。
And by the way, most of the ways you have observed evangelism being done as it's being marketed are ineffective.
顺便说一句，你所观察到的大多数传福音的营销方式都是无效的。
The large rallies-- all that stuff.
大型集会——诸如此类的事情。
The statistics are just abysmal about the number of converts that actually stick.
关于真正坚持下去的皈依者的统计数字实在是太糟糕了。
It does not result in what the church wants.
这并没有达到教会想要的结果。
The church wants disciples.
教会需要门徒。
Jesus actually didn't say, go out and make converts.
耶稣实际上并没有说，出去使人归信。
He said, go make disciples.
他说，去使人作门徒吧。
Which is a completely different project.
这是一个完全不同的项目。
So the founder of our movement, Jesus, did not model this behavior.
因此，我们运动的创始人耶稣并没有树立这种行为的榜样。
You never had to lower himself to a bait and switch.
你永远不必降格为诱饵并改变立场。
So this has been an adoption of sort of American consumerism that we've adopted as a church.
因此，这是我们教会所采用的某种美国消费主义的体现。
And it's really largely based on sales.
这实际上很大程度上取决于销量。
The way of getting people to join.
让人们加入的方式。
I mean, quite frankly, I want people to follow Jesus.
坦白地说，我的意思是，我希望人们跟随耶稣。
I believe Jesus is God and all that stuff.
我相信耶稣是神等等。
But I am completely done with the whole evangelism as a sales model deal.
但我完全不再把整个传福音作为一种销售模式。
I'm done with it.
我已经完成了。
So walk me through what is that you're advocating.
那么请告诉我您所提倡的是什么。
You have this thing called doable evangelism.
你有一种叫做可行的传福音的东西。
Evangelism that actually normal people can do without feeling weird about it.
实际上普通人可以做的传福音，而不会感到奇怪。
So give me the steps of it.
所以给我它的步骤。
Like what do I do if I want to do it?
比如如果我想做的话我该怎么做？
Doable evangelism does not concern itself with converting people.
可行的传福音并不关心人们的皈依。
It's not about sales.
这与销售无关。
It's about connecting.
这是关于连接的。
So the paradigm is about connecting with people.
所以范式是关于与人联系。
The way we connect, there's three what we call spiritual practices for connecting with people.
我们的联系方式有三种我们所说的与人联系的精神实践。
Number one, notice people.
第一，注意人们。
Practice the art of noticing.
练习注意的艺术。
Sit and watch.
坐下来观看。
Sit in the mall and watch people go by and ask yourself, I wonder what's going on with that person.
坐在商场里，看着人们走过，问问自己，我想知道那个人发生了什么事。
Just reflect.
只是反映一下。
The second one is, pray for people behind their backs.
第二个是，在背后为人祷告。
You know, Christians like to pray for people.
你知道，基督徒喜欢为人祈祷。
And we believe prayer matters.
我们相信祈祷很重要。
So pray for them behind their backs.
所以在背后为他们祈祷。
Unauthorized prayers.
未经授权的祈祷。
You don't need their permission.
你不需要他们的许可。
You can pray.
你可以祈祷。
But pray for these people.
但请为这些人祈祷。
It's fine.
没关系。
It's not going to hurt them.
这不会伤害他们。
It's not going to hurt you.
它不会伤害你。
Maybe something good will happen.
也许会有好事发生。
Who knows.
谁知道呢。
The third thing is to go to someone and actually listen.
第三件事是去找某人并实际倾听。
And the way you listen, usually you say something like, how are you?
你倾听的方式通常是这样说：你好吗？
And then you listen.
然后你听。
And the person will be amazed when you don't interrupt them with your own story of how you are not doing yourself.
当你没有用自己的不作为来打断他们时，对方会感到惊讶。
So you would send people out.
所以你才会派人出去。
You say, I want you to listen to people, I want you to notice people.
你说，我希望你倾听别人的意见，我希望你注意到别人。
And then does this work in bringing people to Jesus?
那么这能起到带人归向耶稣的作用吗？
Or is that just like the first step?
或者这就像第一步一样？
So that's a question, of course, Christians ask us.
当然，这是基督徒问我们的一个问题。
They want to know about numbers and results.
他们想了解数字和结果。
But I feel like that's a fair question.
但我觉得这是一个公平的问题。
Because you're saying, like, well, this is a kind of doable evangelism.
因为你说，嗯，这是一种可行的传福音。
So all right.
那么好吧。
I can go out and listen to people.
我可以出去听别人说话。
That part I can do.
那部分我可以做。
So where's the part where they come to Jesus?
那么他们来到耶稣面前的部分在哪里呢？
You have to keep in mind, our mission, our goal is to not to get converts.
你必须记住，我们的使命、我们的目标是不让人们皈依。
Our goal is to get Christians out connecting with non-Christians.
我们的目标是让基督徒与非基督徒建立联系。
Our goal is to get Christians learning how not to be jerks.
我们的目标是让基督徒学习如何不成为混蛋。
Our goal is to help Christians learn to be normal.
我们的目标是帮助基督徒学会变得正常。
And what happens, over a period of time, is they start befriending people, and they get in people's social circles, and yes.
经过一段时间后，他们开始与人交朋友，进入人们的社交圈，是的。
Naturally, just like if you were interested in something and I knew you from some length of time, the likelihood of me going to the school you're recommending, buying the car you recommended increases, because we're in proximity to each other.
当然，就像如果你对某件事感兴趣，而我认识你有一段时间了，我去你推荐的学校、购买你推荐的汽车的可能性就会增加，因为我们彼此距离很近。
The way it happens is just through relationships.
它发生的方式只是通过关系。
That's how human beings actually change, when you and I like each other.
当你和我彼此喜欢时，这就是人类真正的改变。
My saying is, when people like each other, the rules change.
我的说法是，当人们彼此喜欢时，规则就会改变。
Is it possible that your tactic just leads to nothing?
你的策略有可能毫无结果吗？
Like I think about my own circle of friends.
就像我想到我自己的朋友圈一样。
And for whatever reasons now, I have a bunch of friends, my wife and I have a bunch of friends, who are very devout religious people.
不管出于什么原因，我现在有一群朋友，我和我的妻子有一群朋友，他们都是非常虔诚的宗教人士。
And we hang out with them, and we share our lives with them, but they are no influence at all in pulling us towards Christianity away from our staunch atheism, and vice versa.
我们和他们一起出去玩，我们和他们分享我们的生活，但他们根本没有影响我们走向基督教，远离我们坚定的无神论，反之亦然。
That would be what my ideological enemies within evangelicalism would accuse me of.
这就是我福音派内部的意识形态敌人会指责我的。
That this will lead to nothing.
这不会导致任何结果。
And so the alternative is for me, then, to imagine your social circle.
因此，我的另一种选择是想象你的社交圈。
What are your alternatives, then?
那么你有什么选择呢？
To begin to intentionally try and persuade each other.
开始有意识地尝试说服对方。
You know, I have this one chance to try and get Ira Glass saved, so here I go.
你知道，我有一次机会尝试拯救艾拉·格拉斯，所以我开始了。
And then what happens as a result of that, typically, is that's the end of our relationship, and we go our separate ways.
然后，通常情况下，我们的关系就结束了，我们分道扬镳。
And so now I have zero influence in your life, and I'm not going to be able to be influenced by you, as well.
所以现在我对你生活的影响力为零，我也不会受到你的影响。
When you describe it-- and I'm not saying this to be critical, I'm just observing-- what you're replacing bait and switch with is-- it's all bait.
当你描述它时——我并不是说这是批评性的，我只是在观察——你用什么来取代诱饵和开关——这都是诱饵。
And then there's no switch at all!
然后就根本没有开关了！
Honestly, you're just assuming that at some point, like, something will happen, and maybe it'll be good.
老实说，你只是假设在某个时候会发生一些事情，也许会很好。
And hopefully it'll be good.
希望一切都会好起来。
Right?
正确的？
Because the bait was pretty good.
因为鱼饵非常好。
And so let's just go with that.
那么我们就这样吧。
Now, that doesn't offend me in the least.
现在，这一点也不冒犯我。
I kind of like that.
我有点喜欢这样。
All bait, no switch.
都是诱饵，没有开关。
I might use that.
我可能会用那个。
I admit, I could be wrong, maybe I'm living a delusion, whatever, but this is one that I prefer over the alternatives.
我承认，我可能是错的，也许我生活在一种幻觉中，无论如何，但这是我比其他选择更喜欢的一种。
And I'm happy with that.
我对此很满意。
Again, our goal is to get Christians engaged in the process.
同样，我们的目标是让基督徒参与到这个过程中。
We're not concerned about results.
我们不关心结果。
The average amount of time it takes to be a Christian, before you actually make a decision, is about four years.
在你真正做出决定之前，成为一名基督徒平均需要大约四年的时间。
So I'm much more concerned about the starting like of faith.
所以我更关心信仰的开始。
Why don't we try and get them across the starting line instead of the finish line?
我们为什么不尝试让他们越过起跑线而不是终点线呢？
Jim Henderson.
吉姆·亨德森。
He records his thoughts in books and at two websites, offthemap.com and doableevangelism.com.
他在书籍和两个网站（offthemap.com 和 doableevangelism.com）上记录了自己的想法。
Dave Dickerson, who we heard before him, has a book of his own called House of Cards : Love, Faith, and Other Social Expressions.
我们在他之前听说过戴夫·迪克森（Dave Dickerson），他有一本自己的书，名为《纸牌屋：爱、信仰和其他社会表达》。
Act Three.
第三幕。
Friends With Economic Benefits.
有经济效益的朋友。
People enter friendships with all kinds of agendas because, as Jim Henderson puts it, when people like each other, the rules change.
人们会出于各种目的建立友谊，因为正如吉姆·亨德森所说，当人们彼此喜欢时，规则就会改变。
Anna Boiko-Weyrauch has this story from the city of Accra in Ghana.
安娜·博伊科·韦劳赫 (Anna Boiko-Weyrauch) 讲述了一个来自加纳阿克拉市的故事。
She's changed the name of the woman that she interviews in this story.
她改变了她在这个故事中采访的女人的名字。
It was Saturday night, and I was walking around alone in the city, and I stopped at the shop to get some water.
那是星期六的晚上，我独自在城里闲逛，我在商店停下来买水。
People were hanging out on benches in front, eating dinner, playing with a little girl.
人们在前面的长凳上闲逛，吃晚饭，和一个小女孩玩耍。
A woman in a yellow dress called out to me, "Hey Obruni," white lady, "what do you want?"
一位身穿黄色连衣裙的女士对我喊道：“嘿，奥布鲁尼，”白人女士，“你想要什么？”
That's how I met Marion.
就这样我认识了玛丽昂。
I liked her right away.
我立刻就喜欢上了她。
She seemed genuine, direct.
她看起来很真诚、直接。
We ended up spending the rest of the evening sitting on the wooden bench together, eating beans and rice and talking.
晚上剩下的时间我们都坐在木凳上，一边吃豆子和米饭一边聊天。
Her husband was in Italy, and my boyfriend was in the U.S., so we bonded over that.
她的丈夫在意大利，我的男朋友在美国，所以我们因此结下了不解之缘。
She said she would be my friend, and I really needed one.
她说她会成为我的朋友，我真的需要一个。
And she warned me.
她警告我。
She told me I should be more careful around Ghanaians, that they would try to cheat me.
她告诉我在加纳人面前应该更加小心，他们会试图欺骗我。
Now, this isn't the first time I'd heard about Ghanaians scamming foreigners.
现在，这不是我第一次听说加纳人欺骗外国人。
Who doesn't get those fake e-mails from West Africa?
谁没有收到来自西非的假电子邮件？
But here in Ghana, they call it "sakawa," which some say comes from a word in the Hausa language that means to put something into something else.
但在加纳，他们称之为“sakawa”，有人说这个词来自豪萨语中的一个词，意思是把某物放入另一物中。
Like, I put the stolen credit card number into the order form.
比如，我将被盗的信用卡号码放入订单中。
Or more metaphorically, I scammed those people so well, I've got them in my pocket.
或者更形象地说，我把那些人骗得很好，我已经把他们装进了我的口袋里。
A lot of sakawa scams start on internet dating sites.
许多佐川诈骗都是从互联网约会网站开始的。
The scammers are usually young men.
诈骗者通常是年轻人。
They're known as sakawa boys.
他们被称为佐川男孩。
They pretend to be women online, and start chatting with guys overseas, hoping to hook one of them in a relationship.
她们在网上假装成女性，开始与海外男性聊天，希望能与其中一个建立恋爱关系。
Marion told me her friends and cousins do this all the time.
玛丽昂告诉我，她的朋友和表兄弟姐妹经常这样做。
When we were talking on the bench, she leaned in closer, and she told me in a low voice that she was right in the middle of a sakawa scam.
当我们在长凳上交谈时，她靠得更近了，她低声告诉我，她正处于佐川骗局之中。
She was the bait.
她就是诱饵。
Her friends and cousins, sakawa boys, had asked her to talk to a foreigner they were scamming.
她的朋友和表兄弟，坂川男孩，让她与一个他们正在诈骗的外国人交谈。
They wanted her to talk to him on the phone and pretend to be the girl he'd been chatting with online.
他们希望她通过电话与他交谈，并假装是他在网上聊天的那个女孩。
I asked if I could interview her about it, so later we sat down and talked.
我问我是否可以就此采访她，所以后来我们坐下来聊了聊。
So the first time they asked you, your cousins, what did they ask you?
那么，他们第一次问你，你的表兄弟，他们问了你什么？
OK.
好的。
They told me to tell the man, my parents are dead.
他们让我告诉那个人，我的父母已经去世了。
That no one looks after me.
就是没有人照顾我。
So I spoke to the man.
于是我就跟那个男人说话了。
I told him, yeah, it's true.
我告诉他，是的，这是真的。
My parents are dead.
我的父母都死了。
No one looks after me.
没有人照顾我。
So I needed money to start something.
所以我需要钱来开始做某事。
He said, oh, no problem.
他说，哦，没问题。
The white man said, no problem.
白衣男子说，没问题。
Marion played an important role in the scam, but according to her, she wasn't on the inside.
玛丽昂在这场骗局中扮演了重要角色，但据她说，她并不参与其中。
She was the bait, not an official partner.
她是诱饵，而不是正式合作伙伴。
So not entitled to a cut of the money.
所以无权获得这笔钱的分成。
Instead, it was more like she was helping her cousin out so he would be more inclined to return the favor later, and give her money when she asked him for it.
相反，这更像是她在帮助她的表弟，这样他以后就更愿意回报她，当她向他要钱时，就给她钱。
But only however much he chose to give her.
但无论他选择给她多少。
So how much money did your cousin receive from this man?
那么你表弟从这个人那里得到了多少钱？
Thousands of dollars.
几千美元。
He gets money.
他得到钱。
So much.
就这么多。
My cousin, he's not the only person.
我的表弟，他不是唯一一个这样的人。
There are many who collect money from the whites, who spend the whites' money.
有很多人从白人那里收钱，花白人的钱。
Marion's cousins recruited her to talk to a man she called Mr. Johnson from New York.
马里昂的表兄弟招募她与一位来自纽约、她称之为约翰逊先生的男子交谈。
We chat, OK.
我们聊天，好吧。
Sometimes we talk about love.
有时我们会谈论爱情。
Because he is in love.
因为他恋爱了。
So we talk about love, sex.
所以我们谈论爱、性。
Having sex on the phone.
在电话里发生性关系。
I make him feel good about me so that when I need anything, he can send me.
我让他对我感觉很好，这样当我需要什么东西时，他可以送我。
More than four hours.
四个多小时了。
We talk, we talk.
我们说话，我们说话。
We talk, sometimes midnight he calls me.
我们聊天，有时半夜他打电话给我。
We chat, we chat.
我们聊天，我们聊天。
He makes me laugh.
他让我发笑。
Sometimes he entertains me.
有时他会逗我开心。
We're jovial.
我们很开朗。
We joke, and [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
我们开玩笑，然后[无法理解]。
But Mr. Jones could be my grandfather.
但琼斯先生可能是我的祖父。
He's very old.
他已经很老了。
Marion Yes.
马里昂 是的。
About 72 years.
约72岁。
He's old.
他老了。
But when he talks, he's bold.
但他说话的时候却很大胆。
He talks to me.
他跟我说话。
We talk about love.
我们谈论爱情。
But I pity him.
但我可怜他。
Because he sends my cousin money so much.
因为他给我表弟寄了很多钱。
Marion says that after two conversations with Mr. Johnson, she couldn't stand the deception anymore, and she told him the truth-- that he was being conned.
马里昂说，在与约翰逊先生进行了两次交谈后，她再也无法忍受这种欺骗了，她告诉了他真相——他被骗了。
She said she told him not to send any more money.
她说她告诉他不要再寄钱了。
She says that he thanked her, and that her cousins don't know she's the one who busted up their scam.
她说他感谢她，而她的堂兄弟们不知道她就是破获他们骗局的人。
But I couldn't verify anything she was telling me.
但我无法证实她告诉我的任何事情。
I asked her for Mr. Johnson's phone number, but she didn't get it from her cousin's phone for me, even though she swore she would.
我向她要了约翰逊先生的电话号码，但她没有从她表弟的手机上帮我得到，尽管她发誓会的。
And I couldn't talk to her cousins without getting her in trouble.
我不能和她的堂兄弟姐妹说话而不给她带来麻烦。
And somehow, during the interview, the more we talked about the scam, the more confused I got.
不知何故，在采访过程中，我们越谈论这个骗局，我就越困惑。
The details kept getting murkier.
细节变得越来越模糊。
First she said she only helped scam Mr. Johnson, then she mentioned others.
首先她说她只是帮助诈骗约翰逊先生，然后她提到了其他人。
And the timeline of what happened with Mr. Johnson became less and less clear.
约翰逊先生发生的事情的时间线也变得越来越不清楚。
At one point, she said she hadn't talked to Mr. Johnson or seen any of her sakawa friends since she got married.
她曾一度表示，自从结婚以来，她没有和约翰逊先生说过话，也没有见过她的任何佐川朋友。
So this was all before you became married?
所以这都是你们结婚之前的事了？
Yes.
是的。
Since I got married.
自从我结婚了。
Anna Boiko-weyrauch And so you've been married since--
Anna Boiko-weyrauch 所以你们结婚了——
2007.
2007年。
Anna Boiko-weyrauch But you were speaking to Mr. Johnson even this year.
Anna Boiko-weyrauch 但即使今年你也在与约翰逊先生交谈。
I said that because when we first met, she said she was talking to Mr. Johnson then.
我这么说是因为我们第一次见面时，她说她当时正在和约翰逊先生说话。
That was only a few months ago.
那只是几个月前的事。
When I reminded her, Marion said--
当我提醒她时，玛丽恩说——
No. This year, let me see.
不，今年，让我看看。
No, I don't actually remember.
不，我其实不记得了。
I don't remember.
我不记得了。
And then the interview took a different turn.
然后采访发生了不同的转变。
She hinted I should give her money.
她暗示我应该给她钱。
She needed a job, she said, and she had a lot of stories to tell.
她说，她需要一份工作，而且她有很多故事要讲。
She told me she was broke, which I wasn't sure I believed.
她告诉我她破产了，我不确定自己是否相信。
There are a lot of poor people in Ghana, but Marion doesn't seem to be one of them.
加纳有很多穷人，但马里昂似乎不是其中之一。
Her mom owns a hair salon and a grocery store.
她妈妈拥有一家美发沙龙和一家杂货店。
Her husband has a new TV and kitchen appliances.
她的丈夫有一台新电视和厨房用具。
But she said her mom is sick of giving her money on the time, and her husband ran into immigration problems in Italy.
但她说，她妈妈已经厌倦了及时给她钱，而她的丈夫在意大利遇到了移民问题。
We went back and forth a while, and it kept coming down to the same thing.
我们来来回回了一段时间，结果总是归结为同一件事。
She said she wants foreigners to give her money like they give the sakawa boys, but she doesn't want to defraud anyone.
她说她希望外国人给她钱，就像他们给坂川男孩一样，但她不想欺骗任何人。
Yeah, I want the same thing, but I don't want it in a fraud way.
是的，我想要同样的东西，但我不想以欺诈的方式得到它。
I wouldn't lie to them, men, stealing from them.
我不会对他们撒谎，从他们那里偷东西。
Because what they are doing is stealing.
因为他们所做的就是偷窃。
I can't do that.
我不能那样做。
One thing is, I don't lie.
一件事是，我不说谎。
Even if I would lie, not because the way you approach to me, you are like a sister, you see?
即使我会撒谎，也不是因为你对待我的方式，你就像一个姐妹，明白吗？
That's why I don't want to lie to you.
这就是为什么我不想对你撒谎。
That's why I told you everything.
这就是为什么我告诉你一切。
I don't want to lie to you.
我不想对你撒谎。
I'm telling the true facts.
我说的是真实的事实。
Sakawa is about setting up a basic transaction.
Sakawa 正在建立一个基本的交易。
You find what the other person wants, like a girlfriend, a radio story, and you use it as bait.
你找到对方想要的东西，比如女朋友、广播故事，然后用它作为诱饵。
I believe Marion did see me as a friend, but also as an opportunity.
我相信玛丽昂确实把我视为朋友，同时也将我视为一个机会。
Frankly, that's how I saw her too.
说实话，我也是这么看她的。
We hung out a couple of times as friends beside the interview.
除了采访之外，我们还以朋友的身份出去玩过几次。
We ate lunch-- some spicy Ghanaian food-- and played with her cute little baby.
我们吃了午餐——一些辛辣的加纳食物——并和她可爱的小宝宝一起玩耍。
A few days later, I called her to press for Mr. Johnson's phone number, but as soon as we decided talking, she yelled that I was only interested in her as a story.
几天后，我打电话给她，询问约翰逊先生的电话号码，但当我们决定谈话时，她大喊说我只对她的故事感兴趣。
I wasn't interested in being a real friend.
我对成为真正的朋友不感兴趣。
Then she hung up on me.
然后她就挂断了我的电话。
In her version of the story, I'm the opportunist.
在她的故事版本中，我是机会主义者。
Anna Boiko-Weyrauch reports for Voice of America and other radio programs from Ghana.
安娜·博伊科-韦劳奇为美国之音和加纳其他广播节目做报道。
Act Four.
第四幕。
Cherry and Me.
樱桃和我。
Before we get to the bait and switches that have entered the life of Bill Cotter, some background.
在我们了解比尔·科特生活中的诱饵和开关之前，先介绍一些背景。
He used to do a nice businesses restoring very old books-- usually over 300 years old-- and decided a few years back to start dealing rare books as well.
他曾经从事过修复非常古老的书籍（通常已有 300 多年历史）的不错生意，并在几年前决定开始经营珍本书籍。
To finance this business, as he's written, he accepted a few of the roughly 500,000 low-interest credit card offers that come in the mail every day.
正如他所写，为了资助这项业务，他接受了每天邮寄过来的约 500,000 张低息信用卡优惠中的一些。
Which worked, for a while.
这在一段时间内有效。
His business grew until a book deal that he had went very, very bad.
他的生意一直在增长，直到他的一笔图书交易变得非常非常糟糕。
Cost him $15,000.
他花了 15,000 美元。
And all his credit cards, one by one, slipped into delinquency.
他所有的信用卡都一张一张地陷入了拖欠状态。
He felt terrible, naturally.
他自然感觉很糟糕。
Guilty, ashamed.
愧疚，羞愧。
And this is where we'll pick up our story.
这就是我们将继续我们的故事的地方。
February 14, 2008.
2008 年 2 月 14 日。
Annie, my girlfriend of ten years, comes in the house and says in a tone not entirely free of suspicion, "Look who got a valentine." She holds a pink, squarish envelope hand-addressed to me just out of my reach.
我交往十年的女朋友安妮走进屋子，语气中充满了怀疑，“看看谁收到了情人节礼物。”她拿着一个粉红色的方形信封，上面写着我的亲笔地址，就在我够不到的地方。
"I see your secret admirer was too modest include a return address," Annie says.
“我发现你的秘密崇拜者太谦虚了，还附上了回信地址，”安妮说。
My secret admirer was also too modest to use a stamp.
我的秘密崇拜者也太谦虚了，不会使用邮票。
The envelope had been posted by bulk rate meter.
信封已通过批量费率计寄出。
"So what's her name?" Annie says.
“那她叫什么名字？”安妮说。
I open it.
我打开它。
"Friendly Card Services," I say.
“友好的卡服务，”我说。
"Dear Mr. Cotter, Your account is currently four months past due.
“亲爱的科特先生，您的账户目前已逾期四个月。
Please pay $19,243.53 immediately, or we will be forced to deliver your account to a third party for more aggressive collection efforts.
请立即支付 19,243.53 美元，否则我们将被迫将您的帐户转交给第三方以进行更积极的收款工作。
Sincerely, Friendly Customer Appreciation Department."
此致，友好的客户感谢部门。”
I have long since stopped entering calls from the many, many collectors coming after my many, many wholly unmeetable obligations.
我早已不再接到许许多多收藏家的电话，这些收藏家追随我许许多多完全无法履行的义务。
These calls, which routinely number 200 every day, start exactly at eight in the morning, and they end exactly at nine o'clock at night.
这些电话通常每天都会接到 200 个电话，从早上 8 点准时开始，到晚上 9 点准时结束。
In the beginning, identifying a collector was easy.
一开始，识别收藏家很容易。
The area codes were almost always something numerologically unclean combination of sixes and eights.
区号几乎总是数字上不干净的六和八的组合。
Then one day I get a call from my own area code.
然后有一天，我接到来自我自己的区号的电话。
I listen to the message.
我听消息。
"Yo, hey, Bill.
“哟，嘿，比尔。
This is Cherry.
这是樱桃。
What's up?
怎么了？
I haven't heard from you for ages."
我已经好久没有收到你的消息了。”
Whoa.
哇哦。
Do I know a Cherry?
我认识樱桃吗？
I Google the number.
我谷歌了这个号码。
My old friend Cherry apparently lives at the I Love America Financial Recovery Resolution and Outstanding Account Consolidation and Settlementations Response Center, LLC, with offices in Los Angeles and Guckeen, Minnesota.
我的老朋友 Cherry 显然住在“我爱美国财务恢复解决方案和未偿账户合并与结算响应中心”有限责任公司，该中心在洛杉矶和明尼苏达州古肯设有办事处。
Variants on this gambit abound.
这种策略的变体比比皆是。
Citibank sometimes sends their threats express mail.
花旗银行有时会通过特快专递发出威胁。
Such letters usually start, "Dear debtor, you're probably wondering why we just paid to overnight you just one sheet of paper." I always do wonder, but they never explain.
此类信件通常以这样的开头：“亲爱的债务人，您可能想知道为什么我们只隔夜付给您一张纸。”我总是想知道，但他们从不解释。
They simply go on to itemize the ways in which you've disappointed them, and conclude with a demand for payment in full, just like their not overnighted letters.
他们只是继续列举你让他们失望的方式，最后要求全额付款，就像他们的非隔夜信件一样。
Other lenders disguise their collection notices inside and out as surprisingly convincing U.S. treasury checks.
其他贷方将其收款通知从里到外都伪装成令人惊讶的令人信服的美国国库支票。
Discover's method is to simply send one letter a day.
Discover 的方法是每天简单地发送一封信。
April 25, 2008.
2008 年 4 月 25 日。
My bankruptcy attorney, Mr. H., during our first meeting, charges me with many tasks, the most demanding and subjective of which is evaluating my assets.
我的破产律师 H. 先生在我们第一次会面时，要求我完成许多任务，其中最艰巨和最主观的是评估我的资产。
For most objects, there are guidelines.
对于大多数对象，都有指导方针。
Clothes-- 10% of retail.
服装——零售额的 10%。
Cars-- Blue Book value.
汽车——蓝皮书价值。
Buffalo nickel collection-- whatever you can get on eBay.
水牛镍币系列——您在 eBay 上能买到的任何东西。
But occasionally an object occurs whose worth is subjective.
但偶尔也会出现一个其价值是主观的物体。
We acquired our housecat in the fall of '04.
我们在 04 年秋天买了我们的家猫。
In all respects, he underperforms as a pet.
从各方面来说，他作为宠物都表现不佳。
He won't pounce or chase a laser dot.
他不会猛扑或追逐激光点。
On every page of his vet file are big fluorescent stickers that say, "Will Bite." He's taught himself to frown.
他的兽医档案的每一页上都贴着大大的荧光贴纸，上面写着“会咬人”。他学会了皱眉。
So under "Animals" on page 14 of the Bankruptcy Questionnaire, I generously evaluate him at $0.50.
因此，在破产问卷第 14 页的“动物”部分，我慷慨地评价他为 0.50 美元。
"What's a Vinnie?" asks Mr. H.
“维尼是什么？” H 先生问道。
"A cat," I say.
“一只猫，”我说。
"That cat?" "Yes, sir," I say.
“那只猫？” “是的，先生，”我说。
"$10," he says, and then wipes out my figure and enters his own.
“10 美元，”他说，然后擦掉我的数字，输入他自己的数字。
This is frustrating, because the job of a bankruptcy attorney is to assign as small a value as possible to each of my objects.
这很令人沮丧，因为破产律师的工作是为我的每个对象分配尽可能小的价值。
"How about $3?" I suggest.
“3块钱怎么样？”我建议。
"Why don't you just give the beast away, then?" he asks.
“那你为什么不把这只野兽送走呢？”他问道。
"Just drop it off behind a chicken restaurant." I look at him, trying to decide what to say.
“把它放在一家鸡肉餐厅后面就可以了。”我看着他，试图决定该说什么。
If you can't bare a shameful truth to your attorney, then to whom?
如果你不能向你的律师吐露可耻的真相，那么向谁吐露呢？
"$10, then.
“那么，10 美元。
Next item." September 28, 2008.
下一项。” 2008 年 9 月 28 日。
Bait and switching now starts in earnest.
诱饵和转换现在正式开始。
A neighbor leaves a Post-it note on my door saying she's just gotten a call from someone trying to find me, that the caller said it was an emergency, and to have me call this 866 number immediately.
一位邻居在我的门上贴了一张便利贴，说她刚刚接到有人试图找到我的电话，来电者说这是紧急情况，并让我立即拨打这个 866 号码。
My parents, sisters, and former employees call me.
我的父母、姐妹和前雇员都给我打电话。
"Billy, some angry dude who will not identify himself or his business is looking for you."
“比利，一个不愿透露自己身份或他的生意的愤怒的家伙正在找你。”
The subterfuge isn't just from collectors.
这种诡计不仅仅来自收藏家。
Envelopes arrive with absolutely no markings at all, demanding to be opened.
信封到达时完全没有任何标记，需要打开。
These contain letters from law firms offering to defend me.
其中包含律师事务所提出为我辩护的信件。
Similar envelopes arrive from debt consolidation companies posing as law firms offering to defend me.
类似的信封来自冒充律师事务所的债务合并公司，愿意为我辩护。
Somehow mailed threats aren't that worrisome.
不知怎的，邮寄的威胁并不那么令人担忧。
Not like calls.
不像打电话。
Like a voicemail I received dialed from a spooky telephone number made of nothing but zeros, and consisting only of the Madonna song "Open Your Heart" played in its entirety.
就像我收到的语音邮件一样，它是从一个由零组成的幽灵电话号码拨打的，并且只包含完整播放的麦当娜歌曲“打开你的心”。
Among the lyrics is this provocative passage.
歌词中有这段充满挑衅性的段落。
I follow you around but you can't see/ You're too wrapped up in yourself to notice/ So you choose to look the other way/ Well, I've got something to say/ Don't try to run, I can keep up with you...
我跟着你，但你看不见/你太专注于自己而没有注意到/所以你选择看向别处/好吧，我有话要说/别试图跑，我可以跟上你......
[MUSIC FADES] October 10, 2008.
[音乐淡出] 2008 年 10 月 10 日。
By now, I've learned not only to never answer the telephone, but also to ignore knocks at the door.
到现在为止，我不仅学会了永远不接电话，而且也学会了忽略敲门声。
But one afternoon, I'm expecting an interesting rare book restoration job to be delivered by UPS.
但有一天下午，我期待着 UPS 送来一份有趣的善本修复工作。
I checked the tracking number, which indicated that my package was On Vehicle For Delivery.
我检查了追踪号码，这表明我的包裹已在车辆上交付。
Hark!
听着！
The downshift of a grumpy diesel engine.
脾气暴躁的柴油发动机降档。
I peek out the blinds.
我从百叶窗往外看。
There, parked under a beautiful, spreading pecan tree, my beautiful, brown delivery truck.
在那里，我那辆漂亮的棕色送货卡车停在一棵美丽的、蔓延的山核桃树下。
Hark again!
再听一遍！
A firm, authority-backed rap.
坚定的、有权威支持的说唱。
I answer.
我回答。
Standing before me is a diminutive woman wearing not a penny-brown UPS uniform, but a tan polo shirt and khakis.
站在我面前的是一位身材娇小的女士，她穿的不是浅棕色的 UPS 制服，而是棕褐色 Polo 衫和卡其裤。
Just as I was about say, "Hey, what's with the merry new uniform?" and "Where's my parcel?" I see the UPS truck driving away.
正当我正要说“嘿，这件漂亮的新制服怎么样？”和“我的包裹在哪里？”我看到 UPS 卡车开走了。
I notice a pistol at her waste.
我注意到一把手枪正对着她的腰部。
She announces that she's from the Travis County Constable's Office, precinct five, and that she's here to deliver a citation initiated by Citibank South Dakota N.A.
她宣布自己来自特拉维斯县第五分局警察办公室，她来这里是为了送达由南达科他州花旗银行发起的传票。
She hands me a sheaf of papers.
她递给我一叠文件。
I have been officially sued.
我已被正式起诉。
Annie, my girlfriend, in her customarily disarming fashion, invites the deputy inside for a cup of coffee.
我的女朋友安妮以她一贯的令人放松的方式邀请副警员进去喝杯咖啡。
Annie asks the deputy if she would like cream and sugar.
安妮问警察要不要奶油和糖。
The deputy begins to cry.
副官开始哭泣。
Annie sits her down on the couch.
安妮让她坐在沙发上。
We listen as Dana Perry, the deputy, confesses how much she hates her hypocritical job.
我们听到副手达纳·佩里承认她多么讨厌自己虚伪的工作。
She's in some pretty bad debt herself.
她自己也负债累累。
And how all she really wants to do is go back to school and play with her baby and start an organic lavender farm.
她真正想做的就是回到学校和她的孩子一起玩，并开办一个有机薰衣草农场。
Annie gives her to-go coffee and some rubber tawdries left over from a cashed pinata to give to the baby.
安妮给她外带咖啡和一些从兑现的皮纳塔中剩下的橡胶花哨的东西给婴儿。
And, just in case, Mr. H.'s business card.
为了以防万一，还有 H 先生的名片。
October 22, 2009.
2009 年 10 月 22 日。
Finally, case number 091263-CAG, my bankruptcy, is officially filed.
最后，案件编号091263-CAG，我的破产案，正式立案。
My creditors will get $4,911 worth of rare book inventory, $750 worth of archival letter and paper, and $40.45 in cash.
我的债权人将获得价值 4,911 美元的善本库存、价值 750 美元的档案信件和纸张以及 40.45 美元的现金。
I don't have enough rare book inventory left to start fresh as a bookseller, but luckily, I do still have restoration tools and materials, so bookbinding is the direction I'll go.
我没有足够的善本库存来重新开始做书商，但幸运的是，我还有修复工具和材料，所以装订是我的方向。
I hope I'll never have to go through other bankruptcy, though that's about as meaningless as someone recovering from a car wreck saying they don't plan to ever crash again.
我希望我永远不必经历其他破产，尽管这就像从车祸中恢复的人说他们不打算再次发生车祸一样毫无意义。
Still, it's unlikely, as one must be in debt to go bankrupt.
不过，这不太可能，因为一个人必须负债累累才能破产。
As it stands now, I will not qualify for any kind of meaningful credit for seven years.
按照目前的情况，我在七年内没有资格获得任何有意义的信用。
I won't qualify for almost any home, school, or car loans, nor for many jobs.
我没有资格获得几乎任何家庭、学校或汽车贷款，也没有资格获得许多工作。
And I won't be able to rent anywhere that has an application process, which leaves those cash-only motel-like tenements out by the airport.
而且我将无法在任何有申请程序的地方租房，这使得机场附近那些只收现金的汽车旅馆式公寓被排除在外。
With such options, I'm hardly in danger of crashing.
有了这样的选择，我几乎不会面临崩溃的危险。
I'd never be able to build up enough speed.
我永远无法达到足够的速度。
And that, I suppose, is the point.
我想，这就是重点。
Bill Cotter.
比尔·科特.
He's the author of the novel Fever Chart.
他是小说《发烧图表》的作者。
His story about bankruptcy first appeared on the McSweeney's site at mcsweeneys.net.
他关于破产的故事首次出现在 McSweeney 的网站 mcsweeneys.net 上。
Our program is produced today by Lisa Pollak and our senior producer, Julie Snyder, with Alex Blumberg, Jane Feltes, Sarah Koenig, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Lisa Pollak 和我们的高级制片人 Julie Snyder 以及 Alex Blumberg、Jane Feltes、Sarah Koenig、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 共同制作。
Production help from Aaron Scott.
亚伦·斯科特提供制作帮助。
Seth Lind is our production manager, Emily Condon our office manager.
Seth Lind 是我们的生产经理，Emily Condon 我们的办公室经理。
Our music consultant is Jessica Hopper.
我们的音乐顾问是杰西卡·霍珀。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ manager and oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia.
WBEZ 经理，并由我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生监督我们的项目。
You know, people always ask me, what did he sound like before he got on the radio?
你知道，人们总是问我，他在上广播电台之前听起来是什么样的？
I have a recording.
我有录音。
"What's the matter for you?
“你有什么事吗？
Hey, Louie, where's the driver?"
嘿，路易，司机在哪里？”
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week for more stories of This American Life.
下周回来观看更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。