39: Halloween - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass Every Monday, John, and Thax, and Ericka get together at John's apartment to watch Dark Shadows .
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 每个星期一，约翰、萨克斯和埃里卡都会聚集在约翰的公寓里观看《黑暗阴影》。
You know, Dark Shadows , surely you've heard of it.
你知道，《黑暗阴影》，你肯定听说过它。
It was the most popular thing in the whole world, at one point.
它一度是全世界最受欢迎的东西。
John used to watch four or five hours of Dark Shadows every day, back in January when he was unemployed.
一月份失业时，约翰每天都会看四五个小时的《黑暗阴影》。
Now he only watches four hours a week and only with his friends.
现在他每周只看四个小时，而且只和朋友们一起看。
And, in no way, is as hardcore about it as when he used to watch with his friend Catherine.
而且，绝不像他以前和朋友凯瑟琳一起观看时那样硬核。
Well, when Catherine was here she insisted that we watch it.
好吧，当凯瑟琳在这里时，她坚持让我们观看。
And it would be like hard to get her to stop, actually.
事实上，要让她停下来是很困难的。
I mean, honestly, it would.
我的意思是，老实说，会的。
It would be like 12:00 midnight.
大概是午夜 12:00。
And she'd go, please, one more, one more episode.
她还要再看一集、再看一集。
And I'm like, you know, I've got to get up for work tomorrow.
我想，你知道，我明天必须起床去上班。
She's like, please, just one more.
她就像，拜托，再多一个。
She'd be begging.
她会乞求的。
It got really sad.
真的很伤心。
Dark Shadows is slow.
黑暗阴影很慢。
The sets are cheap.
套装很便宜。
The writing is bad.
文笔很差。
The acting is stilted.
表演很生硬。
It's a Gothic horror soap opera, produced five days a week from 1966 to '71.
这是一部哥特式恐怖肥皂剧，从 1966 年到 71 年间每周制作五天。
And, of course, it is not scary.
当然，这并不可怕。
It is never scary.
它从来都不可怕。
Though when John was a kid, he was so scared of Dark Shadows , he'd get scared of the actresses lipstick, even the lipstick could do it.
虽然约翰小时候非常害怕黑暗阴影，他也会害怕女演员的口红，甚至口红也能做到这一点。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life , and it is the special Halloween edition of our program.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的节目《This American Life》是我们节目的万圣节特别版。
Today we bring you stories of things that are supposed to be scary but are not.
今天，我们为您带来一些本应可怕但其实并不可怕的故事。
Act one, Dark Shadows .
第一幕，黑暗阴影。
Act two, Scientist in a Haunted House.
第二幕，鬼屋里的科学家。
Act three, Vampire Girl.
第三幕，吸血鬼少女。
Act four, Discovering Evil.
第四幕，发现邪恶。
Act five, Gang Girl.
第五幕，帮派女孩。
And Act six, Screams.
第六幕，尖叫。
Those are your screams, your screams as left on our voicemail.
这些是你们的尖叫声，你们留在我们语音信箱中的尖叫声。
I'm your ghost, I mean host, Ira Glass.
我是你的幽灵，我的意思是主人，艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
What I learned at John's apartment about Dark Shadows is that the main point of it, the main pleasure of it, is watching things mess up.
我在约翰的公寓里了解到《黑暗阴影》的要点，它的主要乐趣，就是看着事情变得一团糟。
It's like watching car races for the car crashes.
这就像观看赛车比赛以观察车祸一样。
If the car crashes came every 10 minutes and nobody got hurt.
如果每 10 分钟就发生一次车祸并且没有人受伤。
This American Life producer Nancy Updike and I were in John's apartment for, I don't know, 10 minutes when a werewolf exited a scene, and through the open door, we could all witness this figure.
《美国生活》制片人南希·厄普代克和我在约翰的公寓里待了 10 分钟，我不知道，当时狼人离开了场景，透过敞开的门，我们都可以看到这个身影。
Not a shadowy, mysterious figure from the year 1896, but instead--
不是 1896 年的神秘人物，而是——
Oh, did you see the prop guy?
哦，你看到那个道具师了吗？
Did you see the prop guy?
你看到道具师了吗？
Wait.
等待。
Here look.
看这里。
Oh yeah.
哦，是的。
A prop guy.
一个道具人。
There's a lot of rewinding and replaying this video, which John taped off the Sci-Fi Channel.
这段视频有很多倒带和重播，是约翰在科幻频道上录制的。
John, and Thax, and Ericka have watched actors forget lines, they've seen scripts left on beds, they've seen props fall over and smash.
约翰、萨克斯和埃里卡见过演员忘记台词，他们见过剧本留在床上，他们见过道具倒下摔碎。
Periodically, there's an offstage cough.
台下不时传来咳嗽声。
And what Thax describes as the sound of a giant zipper, mysterious, inexplicable, and not part of any story.
塔克斯将其描述为巨大拉链的声音，神秘、莫名其妙，不属于任何故事的一部分。
When the vampire, Barnabas Collins, enters the foyer of Collinswood Manner, he closes the door behind him, and a moment later it swings open again.
当吸血鬼巴纳巴斯·柯林斯进入柯林斯伍德曼纳的门厅时，他关上了身后的门，片刻之后门又打开了。
Oh, there goes the door.
哦，门开了。
Thax Yeah, uh huh.
萨克斯 是的，嗯嗯。
There's something wrong with the lock on it.
上面的锁有问题。
And it's always swinging open after somebody closes it.
当有人关闭它后，它总是会打开。
This is the kind of moment they live for.
这就是他们所追求的时刻。
Giant tears in the fabric of the show's fantasy.
这部剧的奇幻结构中留下了巨大的泪水。
John says that modern TV shows and movies are way too slick.
约翰说现代电视节目和电影太华而不实了。
What he likes are things that are either old, or imperfect, or both.
他喜欢的东西要么是旧的，要么是不完美的，或者两者兼而有之。
His house is filled with huge sofa-like paintings that he's picked up at garage sales, and recordings where you can hear things fall over in the studio.
他的房子里堆满了他在旧货拍卖会上捡到的巨大的沙发般的画作，以及录音室里你可以听到东西倒下的录音。
A fast paced, modern film like Independence Day exhausts him with its relentlessly high production values.
像《独立日》这样快节奏的现代电影因其极高的制作价值而让他筋疲力尽。
Dark Shadows is more human scale.
《黑暗阴影》更加人性化。
Like you notice the littlest things you wouldn't notice in a regular show.
就像您注意到在常规节目中不会注意到的最微小的事情一样。
We noticed tonight that people have stopped knocking on the door three times.
我们注意到今晚人们已经不再敲门三次了。
They're now knocking on the door four times.
他们现在已经敲门四次了。
I'll go out the back way.
我会从后门出去。
Woman In Scene From Dark Shadows No, no you won't.
黑暗阴影场景中的女人 不，不，你不会。
You'll stay right here.
你会留在这里。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] they'll make me go back if they find-- [FOUR KNOCKS] [FOUR KNOCKS]
[无法理解]如果他们发现——[四声敲击][四声敲击]，他们会让我回去
So John thinks they had a lengthy meeting deciding that you have to have four knocks instead of three, to spice up the plot a little bit.
所以约翰认为他们开了一个很长时间的会议，决定必须敲四下而不是敲三下，才能让情节变得更有趣。
It's more exciting.
更令人兴奋了。
Like the new director said, we've got to get rid of the old ways.
正如新任导演所说，我们必须摆脱旧的方式。
Things are going to change around here.
这里的情况将会发生变化。
No more of this three knock stuff.
不再有这种三敲门的事情了。
John is also sort of obsessed with trying to figure out exactly when the episodes were filmed.
约翰也有点痴迷于试图弄清楚这些剧集的拍摄时间。
He claims that there is a point, in the 1969 episodes when, suddenly, all the characters started saying, groovy and freaky.
他声称，在 1969 年的剧集中，有一个时刻，突然间，所有角色都开始说“时髦又怪异”。
By his calculations, the episodes that we're watching this night, were probably filmed in February 1969.
根据他的计算，我们今晚观看的剧集可能是在 1969 年 2 月拍摄的。
One clue--
一条线索——
Because in the summer, when it's summer, you can hear the air conditioner running.
因为夏天的时候，一到夏天，就能听到空调运转的声音。
Yeah, and you see the flies.
是的，你看到苍蝇了。
John And you see the flies.
约翰 你看到苍蝇了。
And I've never--
而我从来没有——
There's a lot of flies.
有很多苍蝇。
John I mean, it's like the studio is next to an alley that had big garbage dumpsters, because there's always flies on the set.
约翰，我的意思是，就像工作室旁边有一条小巷，那里有很大的垃圾箱，因为片场总是有苍蝇。
It's like the thing that's so amazing.
就好像有这么神奇的事情一样。
There are scenes where flies are sitting all over people's faces, and they're pretending that they're not there.
有些场景中，苍蝇落在人们的脸上，而他们假装不在那里。
It's kind of a character study, which actors decide to shoo the flies away, and which ones ignore them and continue bravely through the scenes.
这是一种角色研究，哪些演员决定把苍蝇赶走，哪些演员无视它们并勇敢地继续场景。
But the classic fly scene is like, when somebody was doing an exorcism, and the fly just went right into his mouth.
但经典的苍蝇场景就像，当有人驱魔时，苍蝇正好进入他的嘴里。
So he just went [BLOWING SOUND] like that to get rid of it.
所以他就这样[吹响声音]来摆脱它。
What's interesting about all this is that not only does it defy the way you're supposed to watch horror films, it defies the way you're supposed to watch drama.
这一切的有趣之处在于，它不仅违背了你观看恐怖片的方式，也违背了你观看戏剧的方式。
They do not suspend disbelief for one second.
他们一刻也没有停止怀疑。
Instead, they construct elaborate fantasies, not about the characters, but about the actors who play the characters.
相反，他们构建了复杂的幻想，不是关于角色，而是关于扮演角色的演员。
There's like a real vulnerability to all the characters.
所有角色都有一个真正的弱点。
And even people that you don't like on the show, like the Chris Jennings character, he's this horrible actor, and that Beth character, she's like a horrible actress, but after a while you get really attached to them.
即使是你在剧中不喜欢的人，比如克里斯·詹宁斯（Chris Jennings）的角色，他是一个可怕的演员，而贝丝（Beth）的角色，她就像一个可怕的女演员，但过了一段时间你就会真正依恋他们。
Because you feel like you could just see her going off stage and going, oh my god.
因为你觉得你可以看到她走下舞台然后走，天哪。
And people going, oh, you did really well today.
人们会说，哦，你今天表现得真好。
There's a life behind it.
它的背后有一个生命。
What's the matter?
怎么了？
Women In Scene From Dark Shadows Jewell was murdered at school last night.
《黑暗阴影》场景中的女性朱厄尔昨晚在学校被谋杀。
What?
什么？
Women In Scene From Dark Shadows --from her teacher.
《黑暗阴影场景中的女人》——来自她的老师。
Torn apart by a wild beast.
被野兽撕碎。
Yes, it does seem a rather hideous way to die.
是的，这确实看起来是一种相当可怕的死亡方式。
I mean, I think Dark Shadows has a lot of Ed Wood to it.
我的意思是，我认为《黑暗阴影》中有很多埃德·伍德的影子。
There's a lot of that sort of putting things together at the last minute.
有很多这样的事情是在最后一刻才把事情放在一起的。
And putting your heart into something even though it's not very good, because I mean, it really does-- I've worked on really bad projects.
把你的心投入到某件事上，即使它不是很好，因为我的意思是，它确实如此——我曾经从事过非常糟糕的项目。
You work just as hard on a bad project as you do on a good project.
你在一个糟糕的项目上和在一个好的项目上一样努力。
[SOUNDS OF TERROR] It's so pointless.
[恐怖之声] 这太毫无意义了。
It's happening again.
它又发生了。
[SMALL MOTOR REVVING IN IMITATION OF WOLF GROWL] No. No. No. Don't come near me.
[小电机模仿狼嚎而旋转] 不，不，不，别靠近我。
[SCREAMS AND MOTOR SOUNDS/GROWLING]
[尖叫声和马达声/咆哮声]
John's favorite actress is Grayson Hall, who plays Magda and Julia, and who, inexplicably, enters a lot of scenes sniffing the air, as if there is some bad odor that's never discussed or explained.
约翰最喜欢的女演员是扮演玛格达和朱莉娅的格雷森·霍尔，她在很多场景中莫名其妙地嗅着空气，仿佛有某种从未讨论或解释过的难闻气味。
I know nothing about her.
我对她一无所知。
I know absolutely nothing about this woman as an actress except for what she does.
除了她所做的事情之外，我对这位女演员一无所知。
But I have this whole sense of what she does after the show.
但我对她在演出结束后所做的事情有完整的了解。
I have this whole world that I've built up around her.
我拥有围绕她建立的整个世界。
Yeah, me too.
是的，我也是。
Ira Glass What does she do after the show?
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 演出结束后她会做什么？
Well, I just think she sits in a bar and drinks and smokes cigarettes.
嗯，我只是觉得她坐在酒吧里喝酒抽烟。
She's just like one of these people--
她就像这些人中的一员——
All right.
好吧。
I was angry.
我很生气。
I put the curse on you.
我对你下了诅咒。
I said it would be a terrible curse.
我说过这将是一个可怕的诅咒。
Yeah, she's got the most incredible facial expressions of any actress I've ever seen.
是的，她的面部表情是我见过的所有女演员中最令人难以置信的。
I don't think I've ever seen anybody who's face fascinates me more than Grayson Hall.
我认为我从未见过任何人的面孔比格雷森·霍尔更让我着迷。
I don't know.
我不知道。
She should have been a huge star.
她本来应该是一个大明星。
You mean, she's good?
你的意思是，她很好？
John Well, no that's just it.
约翰：好吧，不，仅此而已。
See--
看——
Somewhere during the second episode of the night, I realized that, not only are these stories convoluted and hard to follow, they're incredibly boring, boring in a way that invites speculation and embroidery by the audience.
在当晚的第二集中，我意识到，这些故事不仅错综复杂、难以理解，而且非常无聊，无聊到会引发观众的猜测和刺绣。
For instance, the reliable father figure in this program is Barnabas Collins.
例如，这个节目中可靠的父亲形象是巴纳巴斯·柯林斯。
And he's supposed to be this really great guy, and everybody loves him, and he's always jumping in and saving people.
他应该是一个非常伟大的人，每个人都爱他，他总是跳出来拯救人们。
So why is he a vampire?
那么他为什么是吸血鬼呢？
Thax says it can be sort of disconcerting at times.
萨克斯说，这有时会让人感到不安。
Like you love Barnabas, and they just casually mention how he kills village girls to get his blood.
就像你爱巴拿巴一样，他们只是漫不经心地提到他如何杀死村里的女孩来获取他的血。
Oh, that Barnabas, right.
哦，那个巴拿巴，对吧。
John I mean, every so often he goes into the village.
约翰，我的意思是，他经常进村子。
Doesn't everybody go in the village once in a while, and--
每个人不是都会偶尔去村子里走一趟吗，而且——
It takes a village.
这需要一个村庄。
Ira Glass Pretty soon after this, John declares that he has a Dark Shadows bloopers reel, full of funny accidents from the show.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 不久之后，约翰宣布他有一个《黑暗阴影》的花絮卷轴，里面充满了剧中的有趣事故。
He spends the next hour searching among maybe 50 badly labeled tapes for it, popping in one obscure video after another.
接下来的一个小时里，他在大约 50 盘标签错误的磁带中寻找它，并在其中出现了一个又一个晦涩的视频。
At one point he shows us a video that he made of a macrame clown sort of dancing in a darkened room to a mysterious song.
有一次，他向我们展示了一段他制作的视频，视频中一个花边小丑在黑暗的房间里随着一首神秘的歌曲跳舞。
He never finds the bloopers reel.
他从来没有找到花哨的卷轴。
And, at a certain point, I realize the entire evening has come to resemble a Dark Shadows episode itself, slow moving, full of accidents, convoluted, but really kind of fun.
而且，在某个时刻，我意识到整个晚上就像《黑暗阴影》的一集一样，进展缓慢，充满意外，令人费解，但确实很有趣。
Thax flips to the Polish videos channel and talks about the Polish Beatles movie he once saw.
萨克斯翻到波兰视频频道，谈论他曾经看过的波兰披头士乐队电影。
And John explains his plan to attend his first Dark Shadows convention in a month or two.
约翰解释了他计划在一两个月内参加他的第一次黑暗阴影大会。
It's strange, John says, how a TV show that once seemed like the biggest thing in the world could be so obscure now.
约翰说，很奇怪，一个曾经看似世界上最伟大的电视节目现在怎么会如此默默无闻。
It makes you think about Madonna, and ER, and The X Files , and what anyone's going to remember 30 years from now.
它让你想起麦当娜、《急诊室的故事》、《X 档案》，以及 30 年后任何人都会记住的东西。
I know what the last line of Dark Shadows is.
我知道《暗影》的最后一句是什么。
And I think they were going to go back and do another werewolf plot line or something like that, and then they got canceled.
我认为他们会回去制作另一个狼人情节线或类似的东西，然后他们被取消了。
And the last line is, the marks on such and so's neck were discovered to be just an animal, and not anything having to do with the supernatural.
最后一句是，某某脖子上的痕迹被发现只是一种动物，与超自然现象无关。
And I was talking to this guy, and he was like completely into Dark Shadows when he was young.
我正在和这个人交谈，他年轻时就完全沉迷于《黑暗阴影》。
And he told me this story about when him and his brother used to just watch Dark Shadows religiously.
他告诉我这个故事，是关于他和他的兄弟过去虔诚地观看《黑暗阴影》的故事。
And it was the last show, and they say the line about, everyone lives happily ever after, and then they're showing the credits.
这是最后一场演出，他们说，从此以后，每个人都幸福地生活着，然后他们就播放了片尾字幕。
And then the announcer comes on and says, next Monday at this time, stay tuned for Password with Allen Ludden.
然后播音员上台说，下周一这个时候，请继续关注艾伦·卢登的《密码》节目。
And he said, his brother screamed at the screen.
他说，他的兄弟对着屏幕尖叫起来。
You bastard!
你这个混蛋！
You bastard!
你这个混蛋！
In a certain sense, things that are scary have a lot in common really with things that are funny.
从某种意义上说，可怕的事情与有趣的事情确实有很多共同点。
A, they both produce a physical reaction.
A、它们都会产生物理反应。
And B, if something that is supposed to be scary fails to be scary, it's way more funny than something that's trying to be funny, if that makes sense.
B，如果某件事本该可怕，但没有变得可怕，那么它比试图搞笑的事情更有趣，如果这是有道理的话。
It sort of goes without saying, but this is our Halloween show, so I'm going to say this anyway, that for John, and for Thax, and for Ericka, nothing about Dark Shadows has anything to do with things that are scary, with ghouls or spooks or Halloween.
这是不言而喻的，但这是我们的万圣节节目，所以无论如何我要说的是，对于约翰、萨克斯和埃里卡来说，《黑暗阴影》与可怕的事物没有任何关系，与食尸鬼、幽灵或万圣节有关。
They could care less about Halloween.
他们不太关心万圣节。
So what are you guys doing for Halloween?
那么万圣节你们准备做什么呢？
Well, Halloween's my birthday, so I don't like to dress up.
嗯，万圣节是我的生日，所以我不喜欢打扮。
That's Thax.
那是萨克斯。
Here's Ericka.
这是埃里卡。
Ericka What am I going to do on Halloween?
艾丽卡 万圣节我要做什么？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Probably nothing.
可能什么也没有。
I painted a pumpkin so far, but that's probably about it.
到目前为止我画了一个南瓜，但大概就是这样了。
And finally, John, who hates Halloween, because it's a day when you're expected to be creative.
最后，约翰讨厌万圣节，因为这一天你需要发挥创造力。
I have my monkey hair cape.
我有我的猴毛斗篷。
I wore that last year.
我去年就这么穿过的
Do you know what monkey hair-- it's made out of monkeys.
你知道什么是猴毛吗？它是用猴子做的。
And I guess like in the '40s, they outlawed it, because they were killing monkeys to make these coats.
我想就像在 40 年代一样，他们将其定为非法，因为他们杀死猴子来制作这些外套。
And they're beautiful coats.
它们是漂亮的外套。
I mean, they're insane.
我的意思是，他们疯了。
And they were real popular in the '20s, and if you--
它们在 20 年代非常流行，如果你——
Act Two, Haunted House.
第二幕，鬼屋。
You know can't do a Halloween show without at least one truly spooky story.
你知道，如果没有至少一个真正的恐怖故事，就不可能举办万圣节表演。
And this one we have fits the bill pretty well.
我们的这个非常符合要求。
But, of course, in keeping with our pledge that everything that is supposed to be scary about Halloween will be rendered harmless during our program today, what we are bringing you is a spooky story that happens to somebody who is completely unafraid, totally unafraid, could care less.
但是，当然，为了兑现我们的承诺，即在我们今天的节目中，所有应该对万圣节感到恐惧的事情都将变得无害，我们为您带来的是一个发生在完全不害怕、完全不害怕、不在乎的人身上的怪异故事。
A woman named Carol Estler moved into an old house in Massachusetts in the 1970s.
20 世纪 70 年代，一位名叫卡罗尔·埃斯特勒 (Carol Estler) 的女士搬进了马萨诸塞州的一所老房子。
And in this story you're going to hear her and her daughter describe what happened.
在这个故事中，您将听到她和她的女儿描述所发生的事情。
At first they noticed these patches of wavy air, like when you see heat rise off a barbecue grill.
起初，他们注意到这些波浪状的空气，就像你看到烧烤架上升起的热量一样。
And they heard sounds, people walking, stuff clattering around, when there was nobody around.
当周围没有人的时候，他们听到了声音、人们走路的声音、东西四处碰撞的声音。
Once Carol was walking to the barn, and suddenly she says, there was a just a wall in front of her, just this force, this force blocking her way.
有一次卡罗尔正走向谷仓，突然她说，她面前只有一堵墙，就是这个力量，这个力量挡住了她的去路。
And she said she waited, and eventually it went away.
她说她等待着，最终它消失了。
And she didn't tell anybody about it.
而且她没有告诉任何人这件事。
And a few days later, her daughter ran into the kitchen and said she was walking to the barn, and an invisible wall blocked her way.
几天后，她的女儿跑进厨房，说她正走向谷仓，一堵看不见的墙挡住了她的去路。
Carol Estler was a professional scientist, and she tried to find other explanations for what was happening other than ghosts.
卡罗尔·埃斯特勒是一位专业科学家，她试图寻找除了鬼魂之外的其他解释来解释所发生的事情。
But the data all started to point in one direction.
但所有数据都开始指向一个方向。
One night, I was lying in my bed, and I was just about ready to fall asleep.
一天晚上，我躺在床上，正准备入睡。
And the strangest thing was that I suddenly felt my body start to move.
最奇怪的是，我突然感觉自己的身体开始动了。
It was like, if you could imagine your body was magnetic, and someone was taking a magnet and sort of moving it slowly around your body, and was pulling in kind of a broad gentle way, one way and then the other.
就好像，如果你能想象你的身体是有磁性的，有人拿着一块磁铁，慢慢地在你的身体周围移动，并以一种广泛而温和的方式拉动，一种方式，然后另一种方式。
It really felt like my body was being pulled from the outside.
真的感觉我的身体被从外面拉扯着。
And I'm a scientist, so I watched.
我是一名科学家，所以我看了。
And I watched, and I got wide awake.
我看着，然后我就完全清醒了。
And I watched that for almost two hours as my body was sort of pulled one way, then pulled the other way, really a very strange feeling.
我看了近两个小时，我的身体被拉向一侧，然后又拉向另一侧，真的是一种非常奇怪的感觉。
And I was getting really, really tired.
我真的非常非常累。
Somehow that pulling was just making me so tired.
不知何故，这种拉扯让我很累。
So I thought I'd try an experiment.
所以我想尝试一下实验。
And I said, out loud, look I'm really, really tired.
我大声说，看我真的真的很累。
Will you please stop?
请你停下来好吗？
And it stopped.
然后它就停了。
Now I don't know that I ever really talked to anything.
现在我不知道我是否真正与任何人交谈过。
I don't really know what was there.
我真的不知道那里有什么。
It was just a very strange experience.
这只是一次非常奇怪的经历。
But still, we kept trying to find other explanations.
但我们仍然继续尝试寻找其他解释。
And for me, I stopped trying to find other explanations when, one night, I woke up, I don't know why, and I just looked across the room, and there was a woman standing there.
对我来说，当有一天晚上，我醒来时，我不再试图寻找其他解释，我不知道为什么，我只是看着房间另一边，有一个女人站在那里。
And she was just standing.
而她只是站着。
She was looking around at things.
她正在环顾四周。
She wasn't looking at me.
她没有看着我。
She wasn't looking at anything that seemed to be in the room.
她没有看房间里的任何东西。
She seemed to be looking far off.
她似乎在看着很远的地方。
And then she turned, and she walked out of the room, right through the closed door.
然后她转身，径直穿过紧闭的门，走出了房间。
I thought about that for a while, quite a while.
我想了一会儿，相当长一段时间。
And I think I've pretty much accepted now that I live in a house where there are ghosts, leftover pieces of other people who don't really see me, because the woman didn't seem to see me or anything in the room.
我想我现在已经基本接受了我住在一个房子里，那里有鬼魂，还有其他人的残骸，他们看不到我，因为那个女人似乎没有看到我或房间里的任何东西。
Sometimes, I can see them.
有时，我能看到他们。
Sometimes they can move things and move me in ways that I can feel or see.
有时他们可以以我能感觉到或看到的方式移动事物并移动我。
Sometimes they can make noises.
有时他们会发出声音。
They certainly don't seem to be trying to bother us.
他们显然并不想打扰我们。
I suppose, maybe, even they experience us as ghosts, because we probably look invisible to them, the way she couldn't see me.
我想，也许，即使他们也把我们当作幽灵，因为我们对他们来说可能是隐形的，就像她看不到我一样。
It's a very interesting house to live in.
这是一座非常有趣的房子。
The important one I haven't mentioned yet is the crying baby.
我还没有提到的重要一点是哭泣的婴儿。
I have not experienced the crying baby, although she is said to spend a lot of time in my room.
我没有经历过婴儿的哭闹，尽管据说她在我的房间里呆了很多时间。
The first time someone experienced it, they were sleeping in the small room off of mine.
第一次有人经历这种情况时，他们正在我旁边的小房间里睡觉。
It was a guest.
这是一位客人。
And there were no children in the house that night.
那天晚上家里没有孩子。
And the next morning he said, where was the child crying all night long?
第二天早上，他说，孩子在哪里哭了一夜？
I heard a child crying all night long.
我整晚都听到一个孩子的哭声。
There's an old foundation on the back part of the property, which is supposed to have dated back from a house in Revolutionary times or earlier, which had burnt here and, supposedly, burnt in it was a woman and a child.
该房产的后部有一个古老的地基，据说可以追溯到革命时期或更早的一座房子，该房子在这里被烧毁，据说烧毁的是一个女人和一个孩子。
Certainly, I had no training in anything like that.
当然，我没有接受过类似的培训。
I come from three generations of scientists, and ghosts just don't fit.
我来自三代科学家，鬼魂就是不适合。
But if you're a real scientist, into research, then one of the most basic parts of you is the principle that everything you know is wrong.
但如果你是一名真正的科学家，从事研究，那么你最基本的部分之一就是你所知道的一切都是错误的原则。
Every theory, every model, somehow breaks down.
每个理论、每个模型都会以某种方式崩溃。
And it doesn't matter whether it's quantum mechanics, or nuclear physics, or super conductivity, in some way or other, the model is incomplete.
无论是量子力学、核物理还是超导性，在某种程度上，模型都是不完整的。
In some way or the other, the model is wrong.
从某种意义上说，这个模型是错误的。
And the way you learn, in science, is to keep pushing your models until you find out where they're wrong.
在科学领域，你的学习方式就是不断推动你的模型，直到你发现它们错在哪里。
And I think, living here in this house, I've got some new models in my science.
我想，住在这所房子里，我的科学有了一些新模型。
[MUSIC - DARK SHADOWS ALBUM] Ira Glass Well, this song is Barnabas Collins himself, the friendly, fatherly vampire, as played by Jonathan Frid, from the Dark Shadows album.
[音乐 - DARK SHADOWS 专辑] Ira Glass 嗯，这首歌是 Barnabas Collins 本人，一个友好的、慈父般的吸血鬼，由 Jonathan Frid 扮演，来自 Dark Shadows 专辑。
[MUSIC - DARK SHADOWS ALBUM] Act Three: Vampire Girl Ira Glass Act Three, Vampire Girl.
[音乐 - 黑暗阴影专辑] 第三幕：吸血鬼女孩艾拉·格拉斯 第三幕，吸血鬼女孩。
My character is Lady Cassandra, and Lady Cassandra is a vampire.
我的角色是卡桑德拉女士，卡桑德拉女士是吸血鬼。
The Lady Cassandra is basically walking, talking sex.
卡桑德拉女士基本上是在行走、谈论性。
It's not just that fear is close to laughter, it's also close to sex.
恐惧不仅与笑很接近，而且与性也很接近。
Shawna Kennedy plays Lady Cassandra at Haunted Verdun Manor, this huge, annual haunted house and more in Terrell, Texas, about 30 miles outside Dallas.
肖娜·肯尼迪 (Shawna Kennedy) 在凡尔登鬼屋庄园 (Haunted Verdun Manor) 中扮演卡桑德拉夫人，这是一座每年一度的鬼屋，位于得克萨斯州特雷尔 (Terrell)，距离达拉斯约 30 英里。
Like Carol Estler, that woman who lives in a haunted house, Shawna is also a scientist, who found a new model for looking at the world.
和住在鬼屋里的女人卡罗尔·埃斯特勒一样，肖娜也是一位科学家，她找到了看待世界的新模式。
And Shawna Kennedy was always sort of shy.
肖娜·肯尼迪总是有点害羞。
She didn't like scary movies.
她不喜欢恐怖电影。
She didn't like horror novels.
她不喜欢恐怖小说。
She'd never been to a haunted house until last year.
直到去年她才去过鬼屋。
And last year, she made a big, big turnaround.
去年，她实现了巨大的转变。
Now, every night, she goes out to Haunted Verdun Manor to--
现在，每天晚上，她都会去闹鬼的凡尔登庄园——
Roam the grounds, looking for victims.
在场地中漫步，寻找受害者。
And we basically try to physically and psychologically torment the people waiting in line to get into the house.
我们基本上试图从身体上和心理上折磨那些排队等候进屋的人。
Like how?
怎么样？
Shawna Kennedy Oh, we stalk them.
肖娜·肯尼迪 哦，我们跟踪他们。
We will look at the crowd and try to pick the one most likely to give a good fear reaction.
我们会观察人群并尝试挑选最有可能产生良好恐惧反应的人。
And we try to get that person's attention, from a good distance.
我们试图从远处引起那个人的注意。
And then, very, very slowly creep up on them, maintaining eye contact, never breaking the stare.
然后，非常非常缓慢地爬到他们身上，保持目光接触，一刻不停地凝视着他们。
And this is usually enough to give us a good scream, or squeal, or at least a break and run out of the line.
这通常足以让我们发出一声尖叫，或尖叫，或至少突破并跑出队伍。
And are you shooting for a break and run?
你打算休息一下然后跑步吗？
That's always good.
这总是好的。
It's very entertaining for everyone else in the line.
这对于排队的其他人来说非常有趣。
A scream is also good.
一声尖叫也是好的。
We like a good scream.
我们喜欢美妙的尖叫声。
What do you wear?
你穿什么？
Shawna Kennedy [LAUGHS] I wear a skintight, black velvet dress, with a slit almost all the way up one leg.
肖娜·肯尼迪（笑）我穿一件紧身黑色天鹅绒连衣裙，一条缝几乎一直延伸到一条腿。
What do you say to men and women when you walk up to them.
当你走向男人和女人时，你会对他们说什么？
I don't say anything.
我什么也没说。
Ira Glass You don't talk at all.
艾拉·格拉斯：你根本不说话。
How come?
怎么会？
Shawna Kennedy Because people in power don't need to say a lot.
肖娜·肯尼迪 因为当权者不需要说太多。
So if you say as little as possible, it gives people the impression that you are more powerful than they might necessarily feel.
因此，如果你说得尽可能少，会给人们留下这样的印象：你比他们想象的更强大。
And how does this compare to who you are when you're not playing Cassandra?
当你不玩 Cassandra 时，这与你的身份相比如何？
Oh, I'm a science geek.
哦，我是一个科学极客。
I work in a laboratory.
我在实验室工作。
I play with DNA.
我玩DNA。
I'm just as happy being in the back corner of the lab, by myself, doing whatever.
我很高兴独自一人在实验室的后角做任何事情。
Wardrobe of your daily life?
你日常生活的衣橱？
What do you wear in the daytime?
白天穿什么？
Jeans and a sweatshirt.
牛仔裤和运动衫。
At night, my clothing will get more flamboyant.
到了晚上，我的衣服会变得更加华丽。
Also I'm a belly dancer, so my costuming for that is pretty flamboyant.
而且我还是一名肚皮舞演员，所以我的服装非常华丽。
It's an amazing feeling of power to know that, here you are, somebody that generally, in my geek girl uniform, and my glasses, and my hair pulled back in a little top knot, I wouldn't make anybody look twice at me.
这是一种令人惊奇的力量感，知道你在这里，一般来说，穿着我的极客女孩制服，戴着眼镜，头发向后梳成一个小髻，我不会让任何人多看我一眼。
But as Cassandra, not only are they looking twice at me, but some of them are actually running from me.
但作为卡桑德拉，他们不仅多看了我一眼，而且其中一些人实际上正在逃离我。
And I like that.
我喜欢这样。
That's fun.
这很有趣。
This is a question I'm not sure how exactly to ask.
这是一个我不知道该如何问的问题。
But I want to ask it, and I'm sure it's something that you might have thought about, given the way that you're costumed when you do this.
但我想问这个问题，而且考虑到你这样做时的服装，我相信你可能已经想到了这一点。
What is a connection between sex and Halloween, between sex and scaring people?
性和万圣节、性和吓人之间有什么联系？
The sexual response and the fear response in human beings is similar-- increased heart rate and respiratory rate.
人类的性反应和恐惧反应是相似的——心率和呼吸频率增加。
See, now you're sounding like the science geek.
看，现在你听起来像个科学极客。
Similarities in the way your body responds to both fear and sex.
您的身体对恐惧和性的反应方式有相似之处。
Also, some of the images that we have in Western culture of things that are horrific are also basically sexual.
此外，我们在西方文化中所看到的一些可怕事物的图像基本上也与性有关。
Like what?
比如什么？
Shawna Kennedy The werewolf is the beast within.
肖娜·肯尼迪 狼人是内心的野兽。
And, basically, vampirism is just sex from the neck up.
基本上，吸血鬼就是颈部以上的性行为。
You're penetrating a passive person.
你正在渗透一个被动的人。
It really is a very sexual sort of monster.
它确实是一种非常性感的怪物。
So when you're wandering the grounds, do you feel like it's one intense little seduction after another?
那么，当您漫步在庭院中时，您是否感觉这是一个又一个强烈的小诱惑？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Ira Glass Compare the sexuality of doing Cassandra to the sexuality of doing belly dancing.
Ira Glass 将卡桑德拉的性感与肚皮舞的性感进行比较。
The sexuality of Cassandra is dark.
卡桑德拉的性取向是黑暗的。
She always will have that underlying element of, I could have sex with you or I could kill you.
她总是会有这样的潜在因素：我可以和你发生性关系，或者我可以杀了你。
With belly dancing, it is a joyful thing.
跳肚皮舞，是一件快乐的事情。
It is, this is my body, and this is how moves, and isn't it great that it moves this way?
是的，这就是我的身体，这就是这样移动的，这样移动不是很好吗？
Aren't you enjoying this?
你不享受这个吗？
Are they equally sexual experiences to perform?
他们的性体验是否相同？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Ira Glass That's incredible.
艾拉·格拉斯 这太不可思议了。
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Ira Glass Shawna says that she hated scary stuff until a few years ago, when she read this Stephen King book, Dance Macabre .
艾拉·格拉斯·肖娜 (Ira Glass Shawna) 说，她讨厌恐怖的东西，直到几年前，她读了斯蒂芬·金 (Stephen King) 的书《死亡之舞》(Dance Macabre)。
Which makes the case that everybody needs a good scare now and then, and that all cultures have some version of ghost stories to do this.
这说明每个人时不时都需要好好吓一吓，而且所有文化都有某种版本的鬼故事来做到这一点。
And reading that set her on this path that eventually led to her playing Lady Cassandra.
阅读这本书让她走上了这条道路，最终导致她扮演卡桑德拉女士。
And she says that playing Lady Cassandra sped up this process that she thinks would have happened anyway in her adult life, of learning to be more assertive.
她说，扮演卡桑德拉夫人加速了她认为在她成年生活中无论如何都会发生的这个过程，即学习变得更加自信。
She says it's also given her a more complicated picture of herself than she had when she was a kid.
她说，这也让她对自己有了比小时候更复杂的认识。
I saw myself before as being a good Baptist girl, a complete creature of goodness, who was going to be tormented by the powers of darkness.
我以前认为自己是一个善良的浸信会女孩，一个完全善良的生物，但她将受到黑暗力量的折磨。
Afterwards, I see myself as a creature of both light and dark.
后来，我将自己视为光明与黑暗的生物。
I have both elements in me.
我身上有这两种元素。
And I sort of got the idea that I really wasn't going to go to Hell for it, for having a dark side.
我有点意识到我真的不会因为有黑暗面而下地狱。
It was no longer threatening to me.
它不再对我构成威胁。
And this brings us to our next story.
这引出了我们的下一个故事。
This is a story about another Texas girl discovering her dark side.
这是一个关于另一个德克萨斯女孩发现自己阴暗面的故事。
We have arrived at Act [?
我们已经到达法案[?
Three ?] of our program, The Evil Within.
我们的节目《恶灵附身》的三个？]。
And we are pleased to welcome back to This American Life , writer Julie Showalter.
我们很高兴欢迎作家朱莉·肖沃尔特回到《美国生活》。
I was raised a Baptist, a Southern Baptist in west Texas.
我是一名浸信会教徒，德克萨斯州西部的美南浸信会教徒。
So I always knew that I was a sinner.
所以我一直都知道我是一个罪人。
But it wasn't until Halloween day in the fourth grade that I thought of myself as a sinful being.
但直到四年级的万圣节那天，我才认为自己是一个有罪的人。
Before that, sin was something that could be overcome through hard work, prayer, reading the Bible, and thinking of a way out of coveting Tommy Sue Bailey's new Madame Alexander doll.
在此之前，罪是可以通过努力工作、祈祷、阅读圣经以及想办法摆脱对汤米·苏·贝利的新亚历山大夫人娃娃的贪图来克服的。
Afterwards, I knew sin was part of me, in every molecule of my body, and I could never get rid of it.
后来我知道罪是我的一部分，在我身体的每一个分子里，我永远无法摆脱它。
I was very excited about going to school on Halloween day.
万圣节那天我很高兴能去学校。
Mother had decided I could look like Daisy Mae Yokum, Lil' Abner's wife in the funny papers.
母亲决定我可以看起来像滑稽报纸上小阿布纳的妻子黛西·梅·约库姆。
She cut off and fringed a pair of old jeans.
她剪下一条旧牛仔裤并镶上流苏。
She found a peasant blouse, which we ripped, then pinned together with a diaper pin.
她找到了一件农家衬衫，我们把它撕下来，然后用尿布别针别在一起。
She put my hair in pigtails and painted freckles on my nose.
她把我的头发扎成辫子，在我的鼻子上画上雀斑。
When she finished, she said, you look so cute.
说完后，她说，你看起来真可爱。
Let's take a picture to send your daddy.
我们拍张照片发给你爸爸吧。
Daddy lived 80 miles away in Amarillo.
爸爸住在 80 英里外的阿马里洛。
He visited pretty often now, and he and mother wrote letters.
他现在经常去看望他，他和母亲也写信。
I smiled my best smile for the picture, a smile that would show daddy what a good, pretty girl I was and, make him want to come home to stay.
我在照片中露出了最美的微笑，这样的微笑可以让爸爸知道我是一个多么优秀、漂亮的女孩，并且让他想回家留下来。
The next day, I went to school bare-legged, bare-footed, bare-shouldered, knowing that about half my friends would have ripped up one of their father's old dress shirts and come as bums, and the other half would have dug out old cowboy guns and cowboy hats and called that a costume.
第二天，我光着腿、光着脚、光着肩膀去上学，我知道大约一半的朋友会撕破父亲的一件旧礼服衬衫，变成流浪汉，而另一半会翻出旧牛仔枪和牛仔帽，并称其为服装。
I thought I had a chance at the prize.
我以为我有机会获奖。
I imagined my teacher's reaction.
我想象着老师的反应。
Janice, you're just the cutest thing, she'd say, and so clever.
珍妮丝，她会说，你是最可爱的人，而且很聪明。
Maybe she'd hug me, like she did sometimes.
也许她会拥抱我，就像她有时那样。
Mrs. Wells was the first teacher I idolized.
威尔斯夫人是我崇拜的第一位老师。
She was young and pretty, sweet and vivacious.
她年轻漂亮，甜美活泼。
She dressed in pastels and smelled like cotton candy.
她穿着粉彩衣服，闻起来像棉花糖。
She had just married, and her husband was a part-time football coach and a part-time Baptist minister.
她刚刚结婚，她的丈夫是一名兼职足球教练和兼职浸信会牧师。
For a while, I wished my mother would die and she'd adopt me, but I realized that was a sinful thought.
有一段时间，我希望我的母亲死掉，让她收养我，但我意识到这是一个罪恶的想法。
So I wished there was some kind of big sister organization, and she'd be my big sister, and maybe my mother would decide I should live with her, because she lived closer to church or something.
所以我希望有某种大姐姐组织，她就是我的大姐姐，也许我母亲会决定我应该和她住在一起，因为她住得离教堂或其他地方更近。
On Halloween, I stopped just inside the classroom door, waiting for her to see me, posing a little, excited for her reaction.
万圣节那天，我在教室门口停下来，等她看到我，摆了个姿势，对她的反应感到兴奋。
When she turned, her mouth dropped open.
当她转身时，她的嘴张开了。
Janice Ray Hopewell, what are you thinking of?
珍妮丝·雷·霍普威尔，你在想什么？
That outfit is indecent, it's obscene.
这衣服很不雅，很猥琐。
You look like a little temptress.
你看起来像个小妖精。
Why, you're practically naked.
为什么，你几乎赤身裸体。
A temptress?
一个妖妇？
Naked?
裸？
I didn't know I was naked.
我不知道我是裸体的。
Then I thought of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, and how they didn't know they were naked.
然后我想到了伊甸园里的亚当和夏娃，以及他们如何不知道自己是赤身裸体的。
I looked down at my feet and legs and saw them as the feet and legs of a naked temptress.
我低头看着自己的脚和腿，发现它们是一个裸体妖妇的脚和腿。
While Mrs. Wells talked to me, she pulled Ernesto Rodriguez's chair to the back.
威尔斯夫人一边跟我说话，一边把埃内斯托·罗德里格斯的椅子拉到了后面。
Janice, sit down in the corner.
珍妮丝，坐在角落里。
No, not at your desk.
不，不在你的办公桌前。
It's right in front where anyone walking by can see you.
它就在前面，任何路过的人都可以看到你。
Sit in the back here.
坐到这里的后面。
Patsy, get the blanket out of the closet.
帕西，把毯子从衣柜里拿出来。
She can cover herself with that.
她可以用它来掩盖自己。
Leon, go get the principal, tell him it's an emergency.
莱昂，去找校长，告诉他有紧急情况。
Cover up Janice, you'll cause sinful thoughts.
掩盖珍妮丝，你会引起罪恶的想法。
I wrapped the blanket around myself.
我把毯子裹在身上。
I remembered asking my Sunday school teacher, how could it've been all bad for Adam and Eve to eat the apple, since they got knowledge of good and evil, not just evil?
我记得我问主日学老师，亚当和夏娃吃了苹果怎么可能全是坏事，因为他们不仅了解邪恶，还了解善恶？
And she said, they really just got knowledge of evil, everything had been good up to then.
她说，他们真的只是了解了邪恶，到那时一切都很好。
I pulled my feet up under the blanket.
我把脚拉到毯子下面。
The principal came in with Leon Anderson right behind him.
校长进来了，莱昂·安德森就在他身后。
What is it, Mrs. Wells?
威尔斯太太，什么事？
Is one of the children hurt?
其中一名孩子受伤了吗？
Mrs. Wells blushed.
威尔斯夫人脸红了。
I guess it's not really an urgent emergency.
我想这并不是真正的紧急情况。
I just felt we had to do something right away.
我只是觉得我们必须立即做点什么。
Janice show him your costume.
珍妮丝给他看了你的服装。
I couldn't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
She'd said I was naked, and now she wanted me to show the principal and the whole class.
她说我赤身裸体，现在她想让我给校长和全班同学看。
Janice Ray, take that blanket off.
珍妮丝·雷，把毯子拿掉。
I stood up and put the blanket on the chair behind me.
我站起来，把毯子放在身后的椅子上。
I looked at the floor.
我看着地板。
After a minute, the principal said, well, there is a requirement that children wear shoes to school for health reasons, but if she stays off the playground, I don't think anything will happen in just one day.
过了一会儿，校长说，好吧，出于健康原因，要求孩子们穿鞋上学，但如果她不去操场，我认为一天之内不会发生任何事情。
Janice, you tell your mother that your costume next year has to include shoes.
珍妮丝，你告诉你妈妈明年的服装必须包括鞋子。
Mrs. Wells grabbed his arm.
威尔斯夫人抓住了他的手臂。
Can I talk to you in the hall.
我可以在大厅里和你谈谈吗？
I could see them talking outside the door as I put the blanket back around me.
当我把毯子重新盖在身上时，我可以看到他们在门外说话。
At first the principal looked like something was funny.
起初，校长看起来好像有什么事情很有趣。
But Mrs. Wells didn't calm down.
但威尔斯夫人并没有平静下来。
Then he looked mad and did the rest of the talking.
然后他看起来很生气，并完成了剩下的谈话。
When Mrs. Wells came back in, she walked over to me and jerked the blanket away.
当韦尔斯太太回来时，她走到我身边，猛地把毯子拉开。
Janice, give me the blanket.
珍妮丝，把毯子给我。
It seems I have overreacted.
看来我反应过度了。
Her face was red, and she sounded like she was reciting a lesson.
她的脸涨得通红，听上去像是在背课。
She didn't look at me.
她没有看我。
There's nothing inappropriate about your costume, although bare feet are extremely unhygienic.
虽然赤脚非常不卫生，但你的服装并没有什么不妥之处。
Go to your regular seat.
走到你常坐的座位上。
Can I keep the blanket?
我可以保留毯子吗？
No, you may not keep the blanket.
不，你不能保留毯子。
There's absolutely nothing wrong with your costume.
你的服装绝对没有问题。
In fact, I think you should stand up in front of the class, so we'll all have a chance to look at it.
事实上，我认为你应该站在全班同学面前，这样我们都有机会看它。
It will be good for all of us to see what's acceptable, so we don't overreact again.
看看什么是可以接受的，这对我们所有人都有好处，这样我们就不会再反应过度了。
For 15 minutes, she made me stand there, while the other kids looked at me and giggled behind their hands.
她让我站在那里长达 15 分钟，而其他孩子则看着我，背后咯咯地笑。
I thought about all the temptresses I knew, about Bathsheba, and Delilah, and about Salome who danced nearly naked so they'd cut off John the Baptist's head.
我想起了我所认识的所有诱惑者，关于芭丝谢芭和黛利拉，还有莎乐美，她几乎赤身裸体跳舞，以便他们砍下施洗者约翰的头。
I thought of the movie ads with Carol Baker in baby-doll pajamas sucking her thumb, that all the preachers were mad about.
我想起电影广告中卡罗尔·贝克穿着娃娃睡衣吮吸拇指，所有的传教士都对此感到愤怒。
And I thought about Marilyn Monroe with her skirt blowing up, looking happy.
我想到了玛丽莲·梦露，她的裙子被吹起来，看起来很高兴。
And how everyone said, Joe DiMaggio had divorced her because her skirt blew up.
大家都说，乔·迪马吉奥因为她的裙子炸了而和她离婚了。
And if part of me was excited that I could be a temptress like Eve, and Bathsheba, and Delilah, and Salome, and Carol Baker, and Marilyn Monroe, and maybe even like Elizabeth Taylor, most of me was horrified that I was sinful, and causing sin in others without even knowing how or why.
如果我的一部分因为自己能成为夏娃、芭丝谢芭、黛利拉、莎乐美、卡罗尔·贝克、玛丽莲·梦露，甚至可能像伊丽莎白·泰勒那样的诱惑者而感到兴奋，那么我的大部分人都会因为自己有罪而感到震惊，并且在不知道如何或为什么的情况下给别人带来罪孽。
It was just something I was, not something I did or even thought.
这只是我的本质，而不是我所做的，甚至不是我所想的。
I thought of Daddy seeing the picture of me, nearly naked, and I knew I had ruined everything.
我想到爸爸看到我几乎赤身裸体的照片，我知道我毁了一切。
He wouldn't think I was a good sweet girl anymore.
他不会再认为我是一个善良可爱的女孩了。
No one who knew about the costume would ever think I was a good girl again.
任何了解这套服装的人都不会再认为我是一个好女孩了。
I got to spend the whole day at school bare-legged, bare-footed, bare-shouldered, feeling totally naked.
我在学校一整天都光着腿、光着脚、光着肩膀，感觉完全赤身裸体。
At recess and lunch, I rushed to the bathroom, locked myself in a stall, and pulled my feet up so their nakedness wouldn't show.
课间休息和午餐时，我冲进卫生间，把自己锁在隔间里，把脚拉起来，这样就不会露出来了。
The next time Daddy came to see us, I was embarrassed and stayed in my room.
下次爸爸来看我们时，我很尴尬，呆在自己的房间里。
And six months later, when Jimmy [?
六个月后，当吉米 [？
Rigga ?] pulled me into an alley and kissed me, I let him, even though I liked Leon Anderson.
里加？]把我拉进一条小巷并吻了我，我让他吻了，尽管我喜欢莱昂·安德森。
And the next day, I saw Jimmy whispering to Leon and knew they were talking about me.
第二天，我看到吉米对莱昂耳语，知道他们在谈论我。
And two years later, when the principal at my new school got the sixth grade girls alone in the closet and rubbed all up and down our fronts, I was the only one who didn't tell her mother.
两年后，当我的新学校的校长把六年级的女孩们单独关在衣柜里，并在我们的前额上蹭来蹭去时，我是唯一一个没有告诉她妈妈的人。
Because he was a deacon at the First Baptist Church, and I was a temptress.
因为他是第一浸信会教堂的执事，而我是一个诱惑者。
Julie Showalter's short story first appeared in Other Voices , a literary journal published by the University of Illinois in Chicago.
朱莉·肖沃尔特的短篇小说首次发表在芝加哥伊利诺伊大学出版的文学期刊《其他声音》上。
She's the author of the forthcoming novel, Needle Work .
她是即将出版的小说《针线活》的作者。
Coming up, what really scares people today, really, and your screams.
接下来，今天真正让人们害怕的是什么，真的，还有你的尖叫声。
It's in a minute, when our program continues.
一分钟后，我们的节目继续进行。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, we choose a theme, and invite a variety of writers and performers to take a whack at that theme with short stories, monologues, mini documentaries, whatever they can think of.
在我们的节目中，我们每周都会选择一个主题，并邀请各种作家和表演者用短篇小说、独白、迷你纪录片以及他们能想到的任何方式来探讨这个主题。
And it is the Halloween edition of our program.
这是我们节目的万圣节版本。
And our theme is, things that are supposedly scary, but are not really scary.
我们的主题是，那些被认为可怕但实际上并不可怕的事情。
We are at Act [?
我们正在行动[?
Four.
四。
?] And I actually got the idea to play you this next interview, the interview that will make up most of Act Four, when Shawna Kennedy, that Texas woman who dresses up as vampire, said the following thing to me, about her and her colleagues at Haunted Verdun Manor.
？] 我实际上有了在下一次采访中扮演你的想法，这次采访将构成第四幕的大部分内容，当时打扮成吸血鬼的德克萨斯州女人肖娜·肯尼迪对我说了以下关于她和她在闹鬼的凡尔登庄园的同事的事情。
They all take a real joy in doing mean things to perfectly nice people.
他们都以对完美的好人做卑鄙的事情为乐。
What's the pleasure in doing mean things to perfectly nice people?
对完美的好人做卑鄙的事有什么乐趣？
This picture of power reminded me of interviews I've done with Chicago gang members.
这张权力的图片让我想起了我对芝加哥黑帮成员的采访。
And, in a certain way, gang members are perfect for a Halloween program.
而且，在某种程度上，帮派成员非常适合万圣节节目。
After all, what are most people really afraid of?
毕竟，大多数人真正害怕的是什么？
Not goblins, not ghosts, most people are scared of armed urban teenagers who just don't care.
不是妖精，不是鬼魂，大多数人都害怕那些漠不关心的武装城市青少年。
They just don't care.
他们只是不在乎。
And I would make the case, I believe that this fear, like the other fears in our program, is not totally justified.
我想说的是，我相信这种恐惧，就像我们计划中的其他恐惧一样，并不完全合理。
But you can judge for yourself.
但你可以自己判断。
This is an interview with a young woman who was a gang member for years, who now counsels girls in Chicago gangs.
这是对一位年轻女子的采访，她曾是帮派成员多年，现在为芝加哥帮派的女孩提供咨询。
I was 12.
我当时12岁。
I was 74 pounds, maybe four foot in all.
我当时重 74 磅，大概有四英尺重。
My mother thought I was her little angel.
我妈妈认为我是她的小天使。
My grades were decent, my teachers liked me.
我的成绩还不错，老师们都很喜欢我。
I didn't get in very many fights at school.
我在学校没有打过很多架仗。
It was when I was out in my other neighborhood, this is where I became this big, bad, super person.
当我在另一个社区的时候，我就变成了一个大、坏、超级的人。
And this is where I did all my damage.
这就是我造成所有伤害的地方。
And why?
为什么？
Because I could.
因为我可以。
Me and a girlfriend went into a school, broke into a school, kind of destroyed some stuff.
我和一个女朋友走进一所学校，闯入学校，毁掉了一些东西。
And we got recognized for it.
我们因此得到了认可。
Did they tell you, here's what you're going to do?
他们有没有告诉过你，这就是你要做什么？
Here's your mission?
这就是你的使命？
No, there's kind of-- see, what happened was this.
不，有一种——看，发生的事情是这样的。
There was a teacher who was bothering somebody else.
有一位老师打扰了别人。
And what we were to do was go and scare this teacher.
我们要做的就是去吓唬这位老师。
So what we did was we waited till everybody was gone and everything.
所以我们所做的就是等到所有人都消失了。
And we broke inside the school.
我们闯进了学校。
Then we went to her room and tore it up.
然后我们去了她的房间，把它撕了。
And that was enough.
这就足够了。
Did you put gang signs on the wall so everyone would know who did it?
你是否在墙上贴了帮派标志，以便每个人都知道是谁干的？
On the chalkboard in-- Ira Glass In chalk?
黑板上——艾拉·格拉斯 用粉笔？
In chalk, because the pen wouldn't write on it.
用粉笔写，因为钢笔不能在上面写字。
And we didn't have no spray paint.
而且我们没有喷漆。
In chalk, and we did do a couple markers on the walls and stuff.
我们确实用粉笔在墙上和其他东西上做了一些标记。
And on her desk, we did a nice big one, to let her know like where it came from.
在她的桌子上，我们做了一个漂亮的大的，让她知道它来自哪里。
Because he threatened her, and we were his threat backup.
因为他威胁了她，而我们是他的威胁后援。
So she left him alone after that.
所以在那之后她就离开了他。
So I guess it got our point across.
所以我想这已经表达了我们的观点。
This poor old lady, she didn't know anything.
这个可怜的老太太，她什么都不知道。
And she wasn't hassling him because she just wanted to hassle him.
她没有骚扰他，因为她只是想骚扰他。
She was hassling him because he deserved it.
她之所以骚扰他，是因为他活该。
Especially now that I work with children, I see that she was hassling him because he deserved to be hassled, because he wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing.
尤其是现在我和孩子们一起工作，我看到她在骚扰他，因为他活该被骚扰，因为他没有做他应该做的事情。
And yet, we just rocked her world.
然而，我们刚刚震撼了她的世界。
I mean, she was afraid for-- lord knows-- maybe years after that.
我的意思是，她害怕——天知道——也许在那之后的几年里。
She was?
她？
Gang Girl She was.
她是帮派女孩。
She was very scared.
她非常害怕。
Because I went to that same school.
因为我去了同一所学校。
And she was very afraid.
她非常害怕。
When we went in that Monday, she was very afraid.
当我们星期一进去时，她非常害怕。
I mean, we had tore everything up that was hers, everything.
我的意思是，我们撕毁了属于她的一切，一切。
And it was cruel, real cruel.
这很残酷，真的很残酷。
I think a lot of things we did were real cruel.
我觉得我们做的很多事情都很残忍。
When we were there, it wasn't like, shh, be quiet.
当我们在那里时，情况并不像，嘘，安静。
No, it was like, throw everything, scream, laugh about it.
不，就像是，扔掉所有东西，尖叫，大笑。
See, this is the thing.
看吧，就是这个事情。
I don't know how to even capture it or explain it on the radio.
我什至不知道如何捕捉它或在广播中解释它。
And that is the difference in reality, if you're in the gang, versus the way you see it if you're not in.
这就是现实中的差异，如果你在这个帮派中，与你不在这个帮派中你所看到的方式不同。
I mean the way that you all saw what you were doing was, it's kind of fun.
我的意思是，你们看到自己所做的事情的方式是，这很有趣。
You guys laugh about it.
你们对此一笑置之。
It was a power trip.
这是一次权力之旅。
It's power.
这是力量。
When you're 13, and you can walk down the street, and everybody looks at you like, there goes the Pope, that's a power trip.
当你13岁的时候，你可以走在街上，每个人都看着你，就像教皇走了一样，这是一次权力之旅。
When you're on the street, some people can just walk up to somebody and just smack them, just smack the hell out of them.
当你在街上时，有些人可以走到某人面前，打他们一巴掌，把他们打得稀巴烂。
That would be it.
就这样了。
But I was more like, what, you said something about me?
但我更像是，什么，你说了一些关于我的事情吗？
You got something to do about that?
你有什么事要做吗？
I would lead it on.
我会引导它。
I could get my anger up, before I could muster up my courage, talk to them, argue with them, get your momentum up, get your anger.
在我鼓起勇气与他们交谈、与他们争论、增强你的动力、发泄你的愤怒之前，我可能会愤怒起来。
Get that nice wild flush in your face or something, and then like the nice crowd that's behind you saying, kick her ass, hit her, all this.
让你的脸泛起红晕之类的，然后就像你身后的好人一样说，踢她的屁股，打她，所有这些。
And then you get this bold stance on you, and then you can hit someone.
然后你就采取了大胆的立场，然后你就可以打别人了。
And you get all your nice anger out.
然后你就把所有的愤怒都发泄出来了。
But I couldn't just walk up and smack somebody.
但我不能就这么走过去打别人一巴掌。
The girls who I see now are lost.
我现在看到的女孩们都迷失了。
They're so lost, they're like that all the time.
他们是如此迷失，他们一直都是这样。
They think they know everything.
他们认为他们知道一切。
And they don't need know reason because they know everything.
他们不需要知道原因，因为他们知道一切。
So all they need to do is go up there and do it.
所以他们需要做的就是去那里做。
And one time my cousin said, well I just went up there and I clocked her.
有一次我表弟说，好吧，我就去了那里，给她打了钟。
I said, you clocked her?
我说，你给她打卡了？
You just clocked her?
你刚刚给她打卡了？
You didn't even say anything to her?
你连话都没跟她说吗？
She said, no, I didn't need to say anything to her.
她说，不，我不需要对她说什么。
All I had to do was walk up and clock her.
我所要做的就是走过去给她计时。
I said, so you walked up to her, you clocked her in the face, and that was it?
我说，所以你走到她面前，对着她的脸，就这样了？
She says yeah.
她说是的。
And I'm like, what were you thinking, when you walked-- She goes, I wasn't.
我想，当你走路时，你在想什么——她走了，我没有。
I don't like some of what I did because when I try to reach out, and I try to tell the kids, you shouldn't do this because it's bad, and you'll hurt people.
我不喜欢我所做的一些事情，因为当我试图伸出援手，我试图告诉孩子们，你不应该这样做，因为这很糟糕，而且你会伤害别人。
And they'll say, you did it.
他们会说，你做到了。
Yeah, but I would think actually that could work to your advantage.
是的，但我认为这实际上对你有利。
You'd say, yeah I did it.
你会说，是的，我做到了。
And I'm sorry.
我很抱歉。
For some of them it does.
对于其中一些人来说确实如此。
For some of them it doesn't, because they can't get past-- because I can say to some of them, yes, I did.
对于他们中的一些人来说，情况并非如此，因为他们无法过去——因为我可以对他们中的一些人说，是的，我做到了。
And this is how I feel about it now, and I regret it.
这就是我现在的感受，我很后悔。
But some of them, they can't get past the fact that I did do it, so that makes it correct.
但他们中的一些人无法否认我确实做到了这一事实，所以这就是正确的。
And every time you turn around they say, but you did it, but you did it.
每次你转身的时候，他们都会说，但是你做到了，但是你做到了。
And it's not the fact that I did it, it's the fact that I did it, I regret it, and I got out.
并不是我做了这件事，而是我做了这件事，我后悔了，然后我就退出了。
That's what I want to pass, that I got out, and I regret it.
这就是我想通过的，我退出的，我很后悔。
See, but what they're saying to you, in a way, is even more interesting.
看吧，但从某种程度上来说，他们对你说的话更有趣。
What they're saying to you is, I'm not so bad.
他们对你说的是，我没那么坏。
I'm not so bad.
我没那么坏。
Look, what I'm doing isn't so bad, because, look, you did it, everybody does it.
看，我正在做的事情并没有那么糟糕，因为，看，你做到了，每个人都做到了。
You're telling me that I'm bad.
你说我不好。
You're telling me the way I am is wrong.
你告诉我我的做法是错误的。
But I know in my heart that I'm not that wrong.
但我心里知道我并没有错。
See, that's like, when I was doing all this.
看，就像我做这一切的时候一样。
There was nothing wrong.
没有什么问题。
There was nothing wrong.
没有什么问题。
I mean, so what?
我的意思是，那又怎么样？
So I went in there and I wrecked a classroom.
所以我进去了，毁坏了一间教室。
So what?
所以呢？
So I hit somebody in the head or the ear, they shouldn't have been messing with me.
所以我打了某人的头或耳朵，他们不应该来惹我。
So what?
所以呢？
Even as you say it, your whole face turns into like a 14-year-old.
说着说着，你的整张脸就变成了14岁的孩子。
I mean, you like shake your head, and like you kind of swagger.
我的意思是，你喜欢摇头，喜欢大摇大摆。
It's just like your whole personality just transforms.
就像你的整个性格都发生了转变。
That's why, in a way, it's hard for me to talk about this, because I do, I change.
这就是为什么，在某种程度上，我很难谈论这个，因为我这样做，我改变了。
And I start the, so what, and I don't care.
我开始了，那又怎样，我不在乎。
We lived on the corner of Beech and Spalding, right there, where they would kill people and hang them from the light post.
我们住在比奇街和斯伯丁街的拐角处，就在那里，他们会在那里杀人并把他们吊在灯柱上。
They hung one person.
他们吊死了一个人。
And what it was, it was around Halloween.
那是什么，那是在万圣节前后。
And what they did is they put jogging pants and filled it with newspaper, and they put a hood, and they put a banana hanging out of his [?
他们所做的就是穿上慢跑裤并在里面装满报纸，然后戴上兜帽，然后在他的[？
virtuous ?] place.
有德？]地方。
And they hung him from the lightpole.
他们把他吊在灯杆上。
And nobody knew, because it looked like a dummy hanging there.
没有人知道，因为它看起来就像挂在那里的一个假人。
But it was a human being?
但那是一个人类？
Gang Girl It was a human being.
帮派女孩 这是一个人类。
Dead?
死的？
Gang Girl Dead.
帮派女孩死了。
Not alive anymore.
不再活着了。
See that was from a whole big war.
看那是一场大战。
And that was our victory or whatever with this person.
这就是我们对这个人的胜利或者其他什么。
And he had certain colors on, certain color jogging pants, certain color jogging shirt that he had on, certain color gloves, fingers bent down on the glove and all that stuff to represent.
他穿着特定的颜色，特定颜色的慢跑裤，特定颜色的慢跑衬衫，特定颜色的手套，手指弯曲在手套上以及所有这些代表的东西。
In death, they pushed his fingers into his gang sign?
死后，他们把他的手指按进了他的帮派标志？
No, no, I didn't say his gang sign.
不不，我没有说他的帮派标志。
They just had the gloves on it, and they had the glove taped down, holding upward our gang sign, not his.
他们只是戴上手套，然后用胶带粘住手套，向上举起我们的帮派标志，而不是他的。
Not his-- ours up.
不是他的——是我们的。
No. I was too young.
不，我太年轻了。
Ira Glass But you saw them do it?
艾拉·格拉斯 但你看到他们这么做了吗？
I didn't see them do it.
我没看到他们这么做。
I just knew about it.
我刚刚知道这件事。
It was hilarious.
太搞笑了。
I mean, to them.
我的意思是，对他们来说。
I was too young.
我太年轻了。
I was maybe eight.
我当时大概八岁。
I remember seeing it.
我记得见过它。
I remember it there.
我记得那里有。
I remember asking my mother why he's there.
我记得我问妈妈他为什么在那儿。
What did she say?
她说什么？
Gang Girl She said that she don't know, and she don't want to know.
帮派女孩她说她不知道，她也不想知道。
At age eight, I just kind of wondered why it was there, and how they got it up there.
八岁时，我只是想知道它为什么在那里，以及他们是如何把它弄到那里的。
That was my whole big thing.
这就是我的全部大事。
I think that, as a child, you wonder those things.
我认为，作为一个孩子，你会想知道这些事情。
And I just kept wondering, how did they get it up there?
我一直想知道，他们是怎么把它弄到那里的？
And I just thought it was newspaper.
我只是以为那是报纸。
And it was a person.
那是一个人。
It was up there a couple days.
它在那里呆了几天。
It was up there a couple days.
它在那里呆了几天。
Because it was like stenching, it smelled, and they cut it down.
因为它就像恶臭一样，闻起来很臭，所以他们把它砍掉了。
The police came, and they cut it down.
警察来了，把它砍倒了。
And the banana had already fell off.
而且香蕉已经掉下来了。
And that was it.
就是这样。
And nobody said anything.
没有人说什么。
Nothing went out.
什么也没出去。
There was no screams.
没有尖叫声。
There was no nothing.
什么也没有。
There was just somebody come, cut it down, picked it up, put it in a truck.
只是有人来了，把它砍下来，捡起来，放进卡车里。
Police came, scanned the area, came back once.
警察来了，扫描了该地区，然后回来了一次。
That's it.
就是这样。
Nothing was ever mentioned, nothing.
没有任何提及，什么也没有。
Now we move to Act Six, Screams.
现在我们进入第六幕，尖叫。
Well, a few months ago we introduced you to Dr. Greg Whitehead, of the Institute for Scream Studies, who has been collecting screams from around the world.
几个月前，我们向您介绍了尖叫研究所的格雷格·怀特海德博士，他一直在收集来自世界各地的尖叫声。
And his thesis is this.
他的论文是这样的。
He says that we tend to think of the scream as a kind of monochromatic, sort of binary unit of information.
他说，我们倾向于将尖叫视为一种单色的、二进制信息单位。
Someone either screams or they don't.
有人要么尖叫，要么不尖叫。
They express a kind of scream-ness, or they do not.
他们表达一种尖叫，或者不表达。
Whitehead says that is very simplistic.
怀特海说这非常简单。
That there are hundreds of different kinds of screams, and there's meaning to divine from screams.
尖叫声有数百种，从尖叫声中占卜是有意义的。
And we have to divine that meaning.
我们必须了解这个含义。
And he invited your screams, yours, for his collection, for his analysis.
他邀请你的尖叫，你的尖叫，为他的收藏，为他的分析。
And dozens of you called and left your screams on voicemail.
你们中有几十人打来电话，并在语音信箱中留下了尖叫声。
And I felt, what would a Halloween program be without screams?
我想，如果没有尖叫声，万圣节节目会是什么样子呢？
[BEEP] Please enter your mailbox-- [BEEPS] Your mailbox is almost full.
[嘟嘟] 请输入您的邮箱-- [嘟嘟] 您的邮箱即将满。
Hi, my name is Oliver, and I'm going to leave my scream.
嗨，我叫奥利弗，我要留下我的尖叫声。
[SCREAM]
[尖叫]
[SCREAM] I never really thought much about screams, but it is rather purging.
[尖叫]我从来没有真正考虑过尖叫，但它确实具有净化作用。
I just got off, and I am completely frustrated with a fellow employee.
我刚下车，我对一位同事感到非常沮丧。
[SCREAM]
[尖叫]
The message will be saved.
该消息将被保存。
Male Caller I live in Scottsdale, Arizona.
男性来电者 我住在亚利桑那州斯科茨代尔。
And I work at a company that works six days a week, 12 hours a day.
我在一家每周工作六天、每天工作 12 小时的公司工作。
I'm so sick of it, that I want to scream.
我实在受够了，想尖叫。
[SCREAM]
[尖叫]
[SCREAM] Male Caller Hi, I'm the lead singer in a band called Hatewave in Chicago.
[尖叫] 男来电者嗨，我是芝加哥一支名为 Hatewave 的乐队的主唱。
And I heard a little bit about your studies, and it reminded me of the music I play in this band.
我听说了一些关于你的学习的事情，这让我想起了我在这个乐队中演奏的音乐。
The lyrics are all screaming, and screaming is a really great thing.
歌词都是尖叫，尖叫真的是一件很棒的事情。
And it's a lot of fun to listen to.
听起来很有趣。
So I'll give you the first verse from a song called "Vodun Goat".
所以我会给你一首名为“Vodun Goat”的歌曲的第一节经文。
[SCREAM]
[尖叫]
Sometimes when I'm depressed, I go by myself into a closet and I scream like crazy.
有时候，当我感到沮丧时，我会独自走进衣柜，疯狂地尖叫。
[SCREAM]
[尖叫]
I think screaming is a release, but I don't have that much to release, because I think it's kind of funny, after listening to your message.
我觉得尖叫是一种释放，但我没有那么多可以释放，因为听完你的留言后我觉得这有点好笑。
So I'm just going to scream a little, OK?
所以我要尖叫一下，好吗？
Here I go.
我来了。
[SCREAM]
[尖叫]
Yes, hi.
是的，嗨。
I think this a very interesting proposition, because I think screams reveal a lot of subtleties of character.
我认为这是一个非常有趣的命题，因为我认为尖叫揭示了性格的许多微妙之处。
And I've always liked sounds, sound for its own sake.
我一直喜欢声音，喜欢声音本身。
So I think this is really interesting.
所以我认为这真的很有趣。
And when I was growing up, I was not allowed to scream.
当我长大的时候，我不被允许尖叫。
I was a very, very quiet, good child, so for me to scream, at all, in public is really unusual.
我是一个非常非常安静的好孩子，所以对我来说，在公共场合尖叫真的很不寻常。
So here I go.
那么我就开始吧。
[SCREAM]
[尖叫]
Hi, I'm eight.
嗨，我八岁了。
One thing that makes me scream is-- when I go on a roller coaster, I scream because I'm having fun.
让我尖叫的一件事是——当我坐过山车时，我尖叫是因为我玩得很开心。
[SCREAM]
[尖叫]
I think I'd feel dumb if I screamed, so I'll just hang up.
我想如果我尖叫的话我会觉得很愚蠢，所以我会挂断电话。
OK, [SCREAM] Male Caller Hello, I was listening to the radio the other night, and I heard abou the scream line.
好的，[尖叫] 男来电者您好，前几天晚上我在听广播，我听到了尖叫声。
And I just thought I'd kind of leave a little story on how I scream, and where I do my screaming.
我只是想留下一个关于我如何尖叫以及在哪里尖叫的小故事。
Right now, I'm calling you from a car phone.
现在，我正在用车载电话给你打电话。
I work in Sacramento, California, and I live in the San Francisco Bay area.
我在加利福尼亚州萨克拉门托工作，住在旧金山湾区。
And I make a drive of 109 miles, not every day, but at least three times a week, back and forth.
我开车 109 英里，不是每天，而是每周至少来回 3 次。
And so I'm dealing with customers at my job, and I also have to deal with the other participants in this commute.
因此，我在工作中要与客户打交道，而且我还必须与通勤中的其他参与者打交道。
So what I do is, when I'm in the car, and I reach about, well, it's about this point in the drive-- I guess, I'm about 75 miles into the drive-- I always, get all my anger, and stress, anxieties, and everything else with a good old scream.
所以我所做的是，当我在车里时，我到达大约，嗯，大约在车道上的这个点上 - 我猜，我已经行驶了大约 75 英里 - 我总是用一声古老的尖叫来表达我所有的愤怒，压力，焦虑和其他一切。
I really didn't know anybody else did anything like this until I heard your radio show.
在我听到你的广播节目之前，我真的不知道还有其他人做过这样的事。
So here's my scream, and this is what I do.
这就是我的尖叫声，这就是我所做的。
[SCREAM] And I really do feel much better after I do that.
[尖叫] 这样做之后我确实感觉好多了。
It clears my lungs.
它可以净化我的肺部。
I actually can see better.
我实际上可以看得更清楚。
Even though I wear glasses, I actually can see better.
虽然我戴着眼镜，但实际上我看得更清楚。
[SCREAM] Thank you.
[尖叫]谢谢。
Male Caller [SCREAM]
男来电者[尖叫]
Hello, I was just feeling like screaming, so I figured this was the place to call.
你好，我只是想尖叫，所以我想这就是打电话的地方。
And it's hard to think of actually doing it.
而且很难想象真正做到这一点。
It would be nice to-- I thought when I was going to call this number that maybe it would be requested to scream or encouraged to scream.
我想，当我拨打这个号码时，也许会被要求尖叫或鼓励尖叫。
But it's so hard to do here in the city.
但在城市里要做到这一点实在是太难了。
And I'm out in a bungalow on the northwest side of Chicago.
我现在住在芝加哥西北侧的一间平房里。
And the neighbors are probably about four to, I don't know, six feet away, or maybe 12 feet away with some walls in between.
邻居们大概相距四到六英尺，我不知道，或者也许是十二英尺远，中间有一些墙。
And I just feel like it wouldn't be appropriate to scream.
我只是觉得尖叫不合适。
So I wish I could be someone who could scream.
所以我希望我能成为一个会尖叫的人。
When I was living in the mountains in California, I could sing my screams, and just do it.
当我住在加利福尼亚州的山区时，我可以唱出我的尖叫声，然后就这么做。
It was great.
太棒了。
It was a wonderful way to express myself and to release a lot of things that I was holding in.
这是表达自己并释放我所压抑的许多事情的绝佳方式。
But I can't do it in the city.
但在城里我做不到。
So that's what I wanted to say.
这就是我想说的。
Maybe I'll call back another time and say stuff too.
也许我下次再打过来，也说点什么。
OK, thank you, bye bye.
好的，谢谢，再见。
[SCREAM] Multiple Callers On the count of three.
[尖叫]多个呼叫者数到三。
One, two, three.
一二三。
[SCREAM] There's our power yell from the Los Angeles Commission on Assaults Against Women.
[尖叫] 洛杉矶妇女受攻击委员会发出了我们的强力呐喊。
[APPLAUSE]
[掌声]
The message will be-- Male Caller [WHISPERING] I'm in the library right now, so I can't scream very loud.
消息将是—— 男性来电者[耳语]我现在在图书馆，所以我不能大声尖叫。
[SCREAM] Thank you, I feel better.
[尖叫]谢谢你，我感觉好多了。
That radio experiment from Dr. Greg Whitehead in Massachusetts.
马萨诸塞州格雷格·怀特海德博士进行的无线电实验。
Well, our program was produced today by Nancy Updike and myself, with Peter Clowney, Alix Spiegel.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由南希·厄普代克和我本人以及彼得·克劳尼、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔制作的。
Contributing editors Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, and Margy Rochlin.
特约编辑 Paul Tough、Jack Hitt 和 Margy Rochlin。
WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, and, and, and, what, what's coming up next?
由 Torey Malatia 负责 WBEZ 管理监督，以及，以及，以及，接下来会发生什么？
Stay tuned for Password with Allen Ludden.
请继续关注艾伦·路登的《密码》。
And he said, his brother screamed at the screen.
他说，他的兄弟对着屏幕尖叫起来。
You bastard!
你这个混蛋！
You bastard!
你这个混蛋！
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。