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Prologue Ira Glass I was talking to some homicide detectives in Chicago.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 我正在和芝加哥的一些凶杀案侦探交谈。
And they told me that, contrary to what you might have heard, most criminals do not actually return to the scene of the crime.
他们告诉我，与你可能听到的相反，大多数罪犯实际上并没有返回犯罪现场。
Arsonists do.
纵火犯确实如此。
They like to watch the flames.
他们喜欢观看火焰。
Serial killers sometimes do, but they're crazy.
连环杀手有时会这么做，但他们很疯狂。
Other kinds of criminals aren't really known for going back to the place where the crimes happened.
其他类型的犯罪分子并不因返回犯罪发生地而闻名。
Like thieves, for example.
例如，像小偷一样。
If you want to see thieves returning to the scene of the crime, you pretty much have to go to Florida.
如果你想看到小偷回到犯罪现场，你几乎必须去佛罗里达。
Beautiful, sunny, Florida.
美丽、阳光明媚的佛罗里达州。
For instance, to a Kangaroo Express convenience store in Pomona Park.
例如，前往波莫纳公园的袋鼠快递便利店。
I'm literally walking back and forth in front of the store, holding a sign.
我确实举着一个牌子在商店前面来回走动。
A big heavy sign, at that.
一个又大又重的标志。
And what does this sign say?
这个标志说了什么？
Female Teen "I stole from this store."
女青少年“我从这家商店偷了东西。”
This 18-year-old spoke with one of our show's producers, Lisa Pollak, who went with a tape recorder to watch her serve the sentence that she was given for theft.
这位 18 岁的女孩与我们节目的制作人之一丽莎·波拉克 (Lisa Pollak) 进行了交谈，后者带着录音机观看她因盗窃罪而服刑。
In Putnam County, Florida, if you're convicted of misdemeanor theft, which means shoplifting anything less than $300, Judge Peter Miller will send you back to the scene of the crime, to carry this sign.
在佛罗里达州帕特南县，如果您被判犯有轻罪盗窃罪，即入店行窃任何低于 300 美元的物品，法官彼得·米勒 (Peter Miller) 会将您送回犯罪现场，并携带此标志。
Isn't that quite embarrassing?
这不是很尴尬吗？
It is embarrassing.
这很尴尬。
For 12 years since Judge Miller first started ordering these people to carry signs, the person goes with the perps is site supervisor Kathy Pekrul.
自从米勒法官第一次命令这些人携带标语以来，12 年来，与犯罪分子并肩作战的人就是现场主管凯西·佩克鲁尔 (Kathy Pekrul)。
I would say most of them are embarrassed.
我想说，他们中的大多数人都感到尴尬。
Really embarrassed.
真的很尴尬。
I've have had two or three girls that just cried their way all the way through it.
我有过两三个女孩，她们一路哭着度过了整个过程。
OK, now you're blocking your face with the sign, so you can't do that, OK?
好吧，现在你用标牌挡住了你的脸，所以你不能这样做，好吗？
You ready?
你准备好了吗？
All right, go that way first.
好吧，先往那边走吧。
Do not say anything rude to anybody.
不要对任何人说任何粗鲁的话。
No matter what they say to you, don't answer back if it's rude.
无论他们对你说什么，如果不礼貌，就不要回应。
For two hours the guilty march back and forth with the sign.
有罪的人拿着这个标语来回游行了两个小时。
Kathy brings a lawn chair for herself and a book.
凯西给自己带来了一把草坪椅和一本书。
Enough people get this sentence that Kathy says she is the best-read person in Putnam County.
足够多的人都明白这句话，凯西说她是普特南县最有阅读能力的人。
It was 120 people last year.
去年是120人。
Occasionally, Kathy says that some passers-by see what's going on and approach her to complain that this punishment seems too humiliating.
有时候，凯西说，一些路人看到发生的事情，就会走近她，抱怨这种惩罚似乎太侮辱人了。
And when that happens, she tells them politely that she will let the judge now know they feel, though, honestly, I'm not really sure she needs to go to the trouble.
当这种情况发生时，她礼貌地告诉他们，她现在会让法官知道他们的感受，不过，老实说，我不太确定她需要麻烦。
Too humiliating?
太丢人了？
Hey, they want to think that, that's fine.
嘿，他们想这样想，那很好。
That doesn't bother me.
这并不困扰我。
I'm going to humiliate the one that's carrying that sign.
我要羞辱那个带有这个标志的人。
This is Judge Peter Miller.
我是彼得·米勒法官。
A man who has sentenced hundreds of people to carry the sign over the past 12 years.
在过去 12 年里，一名男子判处数百人携带该标语。
I liked talking to Judge Miller.
我喜欢和米勒法官交谈。
I like any public official who gets an idea for how to serve the public from the newspaper.
我喜欢任何从报纸中了解如何为公众服务的公职人员。
Which is where he got the idea for the sign.
这就是他想到这个标志的想法。
Some judge up north did it.
北方的一些法官做到了。
I liked it, so I did it.
我喜欢它，所以我就这么做了。
What'd you like about it?
你喜欢它什么？
Judge Peter Miller Well, I like the fact that you're getting-- somebody's out there and the public's actually looking at a thief.
彼得·米勒法官：嗯，我喜欢这样的事实——有人在那里，而公众实际上正在关注一个小偷。
They've got caught, and somebody's trying to do something about it.
他们被抓住了，有人正试图采取行动。
Wait, why is that the important part, that the public sees it?
等等，为什么这是公众看到的重要部分？
Like I would think it would be more important to get through to the criminal, you know what I mean?
就像我认为联系罪犯更重要一样，你知道我的意思吗？
Well, you want to get through to the criminal, and at the same time the public, too, who are out there looking saying, I don't want to be doing that.
好吧，你想要联系罪犯，同时也想联系公众，他们在外面看着说，我不想这样做。
Not in front of all these people.
不是当着这么多人的面。
Yes sir.
是的，先生。
Ira Glass For the judge, this is the heart of the whole deal.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 对于法官来说，这是整个交易的核心。
He remembers back when he was young, when somebody got caught stealing it was shameful.
他记得小时候，如果有人偷东西被抓，那是一件可耻的事。
People looked down on it.
人们瞧不起它。
That sense of shame just seems to be gone among so many people who he sees from the bench these days.
这些天他在板凳上看到的很多人身上，这种羞耻感似乎已经消失了。
When I suggest to him that the punishment he's come up with seems kind of biblical, he's got no problem with that.
当我向他建议他所提出的惩罚似乎有点符合圣经时，他对此没有任何意见。
Well maybe that's what we need a little bit more.
好吧，也许这就是我们需要的更多。
There's nothing wrong with a little bit of religion.
有一点宗教信仰并没有什么错。
Nothing's wrong with that.
这没什么问题。
Could there be more of that?
还能有更多这样的事吗？
What do you hope is going through their heads when they're walking with that sign?
当他们举着这个标志行走时，你希望他们脑子里会想到什么？
I hope that what's going through their heads is, Lord have mercy.
我希望他们脑子里想的是，主怜悯。
I'm being shamed.
我正在被羞辱。
I don't like this.
我不喜欢这个。
And I'm not doing it anymore.
我不再这样做了。
Because the public can see those people out there walking, and it really tickles them.
因为公众可以看到那些人在那里行走，这真的让他们很痒。
She's sitting in the car laughing at me.
她坐在车里对我笑。
She lucky I'm under supervision because if I wasn't, I'd slap that [?
她很幸运我受到监督，因为如果我没有受到监督，我就会打那个[？
head.
头。
?]
？]
In fact, the people that Lisa talked to in Florida who walked by this 18-year-old, they definitely did seem to be tickled.
事实上，丽莎在佛罗里达州与那些走过这个 18 岁女孩的人交谈时，他们确实看起来很痒。
I mean I think it's marvelous punishment.
我的意思是我认为这是奇妙的惩罚。
Yes.
是的。
I think it's great.
我认为这很棒。
Paying a fine's too easy.
交罚款太容易了
Female I wish we could do that up our way in Delaware.
女性 我希望我们能在特拉华州做到这一点。
I think the civil liberties union would be all over them-- "You don't have a right."
我认为公民自由联盟会关注他们——“你没有权利。”
I wish they would do it with people on the highway.
我希望他们能对高速公路上的人这样做。
Especially speeders.
尤其是超速者。
Wait, how would that work on the highway?
等等，这在高速公路上怎么样？
Well, instead of letting them pay a fine, let them walk out there and say, "I endangered your life."
好吧，与其让他们支付罚款，不如让他们走出去说：“我危及了你的生命。”
You mean have them stand on the shoulder of the road?
你的意思是让他们站在路肩上？
Well, yeah.
嗯，是的。
Lisa Pollak Maybe they could have a sign on the car for the driver.
丽莎·波拉克 也许他们可以在车上为司机贴一个标志。
Yes, yes!
是的，是的！
Excellent.
出色的。
Ira Glass During the two hours as the 18-year-old marches back and forth, she actually doesn't get that much abuse from people.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 在这位 18 岁的女孩来回游行的两个小时里，她实际上并没有受到太多人的辱骂。
It's nowhere as bad as she thought.
事情并没有她想象的那么糟糕。
Some cars honk at her.
有些汽车向她鸣喇叭。
People point.
人指指点。
A woman shoots her a disgusted look.
一个女人厌恶地看了她一眼。
Two old men stand in the store, arms folded, and watch her, amused.
店里站着两个老人，抱着双臂，饶有兴趣地看着她。
But most people don't say anything at all.
但大多数人根本什么也不说。
In Putnam County, after all, this is not an unusual sight.
毕竟，在普特南县，这种景象并不罕见。
They look at her sign.
他们看着她的标志。
They walk by.
他们走过。
And she chats, cheerfully, with lots of people.
她和很多人愉快地聊天。
She waves to a guy passing by.
她向一个路过的男人挥手致意。
Another guy flirts with her.
另一个男人正在和她调情。
Tells her, "Keep your chin up." Somebody yells from his car, "You should hold a sign that says, I was the only one who got caught." And anytime that strangers do stop and read the sign, or try to talk to her, this is what she says--
告诉她：“抬起头来。”有人在车里喊道：“你应该举着一块牌子，上面写着：我是唯一一个被抓的人。”每当陌生人停下来阅读标语，或试图与她交谈时，她都会这样说——
It's OK.
没关系。
I was stealing milk for my little girl.
我正在为我的小女儿偷牛奶。
This is why this happened.
这就是发生这种情况的原因。
I was stealing milk for my little girl.
我正在为我的小女儿偷牛奶。
That's why I'm holding this sign here.
这就是为什么我在这里举着这个牌子。
Her little girl is one.
她的小女儿就是其中之一。
In fact, according to the police report, she and a friend were arrested for taking the following-- one package of Oreo Cakesters, one Twix bar, one Milky Way, one package of M&M's, one can of Dr. Pepper, and, yes, one pint of milk.
事实上，根据警方的报告，她和一名朋友因携带以下物品而被捕：一包奥利奥蛋糕、一根 Twix 巧克力棒、一根 Milky Way、一包 M&M's、一罐 Dr. Pepper，当然还有一品脱牛奶。
But keep in mind, she is just a kid.
但请记住，她还只是个孩子。
She's a teenager.
她是一个青少年。
She's just a kid, right?
她只是个孩子，对吧？
So, yes, she's not only unrepentant, just like the judge says he sees from the bench, she's also kind of indignant.
所以，是的，她不仅不悔改，就像法官说他从法官席上看到的那样，她还有些愤慨。
See I was the only one that got caught.
瞧，我是唯一一个被抓的人。
I was the only one that was stupid enough to let the camera see me.
我是唯一一个愚蠢到让摄像机看到我的人。
And then them two little boys in there, they're the ones that made me go to jail.
还有那两个小男孩，是他们让我进了监狱。
Excuse me but--
对不起，但是——
You mean the store managers?
你说的是店长吗？
Female Teen Yes, that would be them, but I don't like them.
女青少年 是的，那就是她们，但我不喜欢她们。
Them bitches in there, they didn't have to take me to jail.
那里的那些贱人，他们没必要把我送进监狱。
See they chose to take me to jail.
看到他们选择把我送进监狱。
Which all they had to do was give us a trespassing warning.
他们所要做的就是向我们发出非法侵入警告。
That's all they had to do.
这就是他们所要做的。
If this is meant to be a learning experience, tell me what you think you learned?
如果这意味着一次学习经历，请告诉我你认为你学到了什么？
Honestly?
诚实地？
I didn't learn anything.
我什么也没学到。
I might sound stupid or dumb, but honestly I didn't learn anything.
我可能听起来很愚蠢或愚蠢，但老实说我什么也没学到。
I'll steal again.
我又来偷了
This doesn't solve anything.
这并不能解决任何问题。
No, I'm not worried about a thing.
不，我什么都不担心。
Because no one knows nothing about it.
因为没有人对此一无所知。
The county doesn't keep statistics on how many people who carry the sign get caught again for stealing.
该县没有统计有多少携带该标志的人因偷窃而再次被捕。
But probation officer Kathy Pekrul says that maybe only 20% of the people who she sees carrying the sign seemed totally unrepentant.
但缓刑监督官凯西·佩克鲁尔 (Kathy Pekrul) 表示，在她看到的举着这个牌子的人中，可能只有 20% 似乎完全不悔改。
Of course, what the judge wants is such a delicate thing to try to force on to somebody.
当然，法官想要的就是试图将一件微妙的事情强加给某人。
He wants them to return to the scene of the crime, and have this poetic moment of realization.
他希望他们回到犯罪现场，享受这个诗意的顿悟时刻。
He wants them to take stock of their lives.
他希望他们评估自己的生活。
He wants them to change.
他希望他们改变。
And you just can't predict when that's going to happen.
你只是无法预测这种情况何时会发生。
Kathy Pekrul remembers this one young man who she took to carry the sign in front of a liquor store that he'd robbed in Crescent City.
凯西·佩克鲁尔记得这个年轻人，她带着他在新月城抢劫的一家酒品店前举着牌子。
He spent the whole time joking with people and carrying on.
他整个时间都在和人们开玩笑并继续前进。
His whole family came out and they kept riding around the block and laughing at him, and stopping and taking pictures of him, and he was posing with sign.
他的全家人都出来了，他们一直在街区周围骑行，嘲笑他，停下来给他拍照，他还举着牌子摆姿势。
Yes he did.
是的，他做到了。
And I would have told you, if you had asked me, that he was one of the ones that would repeat.
如果你问我，我会告诉你，他是那些会重复的人之一。
I would have been sure of it.
我对此深信不疑。
Three or four years later, she was back at the same liquor store with another perp, and that guy walked up to her and she didn't remember his name.
三四年后，她和另一名罪犯一起回到同一家酒品店，那个人走到她面前，但她不记得他的名字了。
But she definitely remembered how much fun he had had when he had carried the sign.
但她绝对记得他举着牌子时有多么开心。
So we were talking.
我们就这样聊了起来。
And he was just-- we were just talking-- and then he said to me he wanted me to know that he was on the straight and narrow, I think he said, or something to that effect.
他只是——我们只是在说话——然后他对我说他想让我知道他是在正直和狭窄的地方，我想他是这么说的，或者类似的话。
And that he had finished a criminal justice degree and he was a policeman for someone.
他已经完成了刑事司法学位，并且是某人的一名警察。
And this was a surprise.
这是一个惊喜。
Very surprised.
非常惊讶。
So you know, you never know.
所以你知道，你永远不知道。
Because I would have told you for sure he was going to repeat.
因为我肯定会告诉你他会重复。
Basically, it's very much like this girl today.
基本上，很像今天这个女孩。
Well, today on our program, we joined several different people in this very fraught situation.
好吧，今天在我们的节目中，我们和几个不同的人一起面对了这个非常令人担忧的情况。
Where they returned to the scenes of various crimes of various sorts.
他们回到了各种犯罪现场。
From WBEZ Chicago, It's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《这就是美国生活》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Our program today is recorded at the Chicago Theater in downtown Chicago and at the Skirball Center for the Performing Arts in New York University, where it is being beamed to 430 movie theaters around the country right now.
我们今天的节目在芝加哥市中心的芝加哥剧院和纽约大学斯基博尔表演艺术中心录制，目前正在向全国 430 家电影院传送。
From the Brunswick 10 theater in Maine, to the AMC Mission Valley Theater in San Diego, to the Capitol 14 Theater in Olympia, Washington, to the City North and River East and Webster Place theaters in our beloved Chicago.
从缅因州的 Brunswick 10 剧院，到圣地亚哥的 AMC Mission Valley 剧院，到华盛顿州奥林匹亚的 Capitol 14 剧院，再到我们心爱的芝加哥的 City North、River East 和 Webster Place 剧院。
We have stories today of crimes in traffic, in a family, in a marriage, crimes with God, Mike Birbiglia, Dan Savage, musical guest Joss Whedon, and much, much more.
今天我们有关于交通犯罪、家庭犯罪、婚姻犯罪、对上帝的犯罪、迈克·比尔比利亚、丹·萨维奇、音乐嘉宾乔斯·韦登等等的故事。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One: D-u-why?!
第一幕：为什么？！
Ira Glass Act One.
艾拉·格拉斯第一幕。
D-U-WHY?
D-U-为什么？
So this guy committed a crime and it had huge consequences for this first person we're bringing out, Mike Birbiglia, and then the best way to describe what happened is Mike found he could not leave the scene of the crime.
所以这个人犯了罪，这对我们带出来的第一个人迈克·比尔比利亚产生了巨大的后果，然后描述所发生事件的最好方式是迈克发现他无法离开犯罪现场。
[APPLAUSE] Mike Birbiglia Two years ago I'm in Los Angeles, and I'm at my friend Andy's house and we're watching TV.
[掌声] Mike Birbiglia 两年前，我在洛杉矶，在我朋友安迪家里，我们正在看电视。
And earlier in the night I'd gotten in a fight with my girlfriend, Jenny.
那天晚上早些时候，我和女朋友珍妮打了一架。
You ever get in a fight with your girlfriend that's so bad that afterwards you don't know where you are or what year it is?
你是否曾经和你的女朋友吵过架，吵得很厉害，吵完之后你都不知道自己在哪里，也不知道现在是哪一年？
I was just like, well, let's just watch Bagger Vance.
我当时想，好吧，我们就看巴格·万斯吧。
She had been at the wedding of one of her friends.
她参加了一位朋友的婚礼。
And she was annoyed because people she hardly knew kept asking about our status as a couple.
她很生气，因为她几乎不认识的人不断询问我们的情侣身份。
So annoyed, that she called me to ask about our status as a couple.
很生气，她打电话给我询问我们的情侣身份。
And this is problematic because I'd always been against the idea of marriage.
这是有问题的，因为我一直反对婚姻的想法。
I'd decided I wasn't going to get married until I was sure that nothing else good could happen in my life.
我决定在我确信我的生活中不会发生任何其他好事之前我不会结婚。
Basically, I didn't see the upside of there being one person you're assigned to and who's assigned to you.
基本上，我没有看到将你分配给一个人和谁分配给你有什么好处。
Because I never looked at my parents' marriage, or really anyone who had been married 30 years and thought, "I gotta get me some of that."
因为我从来没有看过我父母的婚姻，或者任何结婚 30 年的人，然后想：“我必须得到一些。”
Well, this is something that Andy and I had rallied behind together.
嗯，这是我和安迪共同支持的事情。
And we knew we were right.
我们知道我们是对的。
This is important for me to point out-- that sometimes when I think that I'm right, it can be a real source of contention between me and people who I'm close to.
对我来说，指出这一点很重要——有时，当我认为自己是对的时，这可能成为我和我亲近的人之间争论的真正根源。
And the reason it's a source of contention, is that I'm right.
之所以引起争论，是因为我是对的。
So not only did Andy and I not believe in marriage for ourselves, but we made it our mission to discourage other people from getting married, and people we cared about most.
因此，安迪和我不仅自己不相信婚姻，而且我们还以阻止其他人和我们最关心的人结婚为己任。
Andy and I stopped or put on hold four to seven marriages.
安迪和我终止或搁置了四到七段婚姻。
We were pretty good.
我们都很好。
We weren't amazing, but we were solid.
我们并不令人惊奇，但我们很坚强。
I'm at Andy's house and it's 1:00 AM, and I get into my rental car and I head back to my hotel.
现在是凌晨 1:00，我在安迪家，我坐上租来的车返回酒店。
And I make a right turn out of Andy's street and I am T-boned.
我从安迪街右转，我变成了丁字形。
That's the culinary way of describing it.
这就是描述它的烹饪方式。
It means that I am hit, driver's side, at a 90-degree angle, like a T-bone steak.
这意味着我被击中，驾驶员一侧，呈 90 度角，就像丁骨牛排一样。
And it was by a drunk driver, who probably would have enjoyed that.
而且是一个醉酒司机开的，他可能会喜欢这样。
And being hit by a car is hard to describe.
被车撞是很难描述的。
I'm sure some of you have experienced this, but you know those water slides where you lie on your back and then you fall at a vertical angle at like 1,000 miles an hour?
我相信你们中的一些人经历过这种情况，但是您知道那些水滑梯吗？您仰面躺着，然后以大约每小时 1,000 英里的速度以垂直角度坠落？
It's like if you went on one of those, but no one told you you were going on the slide.
就好像你去了其中之一，但没有人告诉你你要去滑梯。
It's like if you were taking a shower, and then you're on that slide.
就像你正在洗澡，然后你就在滑梯上一样。
So in one and a half seconds, my car spins around 180 degrees and I hear nothing.
所以在一秒半的时间里，我的车旋转了 180 度，但我什么也没听到。
And I think I'm dead, there's no weight.
我想我已经死了，没有重量了。
I'm paralyzed.
我瘫痪了。
And then I hear nothing.
然后我什么也没听到。
And then I hear the other car skid out and drive away.
然后我听到另一辆车滑出并开走。
And I have that Elie Wiesel moment where I think, "Human beings are animals." I think that's how he said it.
我有一个埃利·威塞尔的时刻，我想：“人类是动物。”我想他就是这么说的。
And 20 minutes later, I'm sitting on the curb.
20 分钟后，我坐在路边。
Andy had shown up, as well the police and the paramedics, and that's when I start crying.
安迪、警察和护理人员都出现了，就在那时我开始哭泣。
You know how when you drop a baby on the ground?
你知道当你把婴儿扔在地上时怎么办吗？
It doesn't start crying right away because it doesn't understand the concept of dropping a baby on the ground.
它不会立即开始哭泣，因为它不理解将婴儿扔在地上的概念。
Until it sees your face and then it's like, oh I guess I should be crying or something.
直到它看到你的脸，然后它就像，哦，我想我应该哭什么的。
And I am crying because I'm looking at my totaled car, and it hits me that in that moment I might have ceased to exist.
我哭了，因为我看着我那辆报废的车，我突然意识到，在那一刻我可能已经不复存在了。
A police officer walks over to me and he says, "What happened?"
一名警察走到我身边，问道：“发生了什么事？”
And I say, "I was hit by this car and then I heard nothing and then I heard it skid out and drive away."
我说：“我被这辆车撞了，然后我什么也没听到，然后我听到它滑出并开走了。”
And he says, "Well, he didn't get too far." He points to the intersection 100 yards away and the other car has made a right turn and driven into a small tree.
他说：“好吧，他并没有走得太远。”他指着100码外的十字路口，另一辆车右转撞上了一棵小树。
And I can't help but think, "That is karma, bitch." That is a hit and run, and hit.
我忍不住想，“这就是业力，婊子。”这就是肇事逃逸、肇事逃逸。
I'm on the curb, and the cop asked me to sign a piece of paper and I say, "What's it for?"
我在路边，警察让我在一张纸上签名，我说：“这是做什么的？”
And he says, "It's a statement saying you're OK and that we can leave."
他说：“这是一份声明，表明你没事，我们可以离开。”
And he says, "Just sign it." And I said, "No, I actually-- I'm a little shaken up."
他说：“签个字就可以了。”我说：“不，实际上我——我有点震惊。”
And he says, "Just sign it." And he holds it in my face, and it occurs to me that he's not going to move.
他说：“签个字就可以了。”他把它举到我面前，我突然意识到他不会动。
And so I sign it.
所以我就签了字。
And Andy drives me to the hospital just as a precaution.
安迪开车送我去医院，以防万一。
And we had to wait an hour because the doctor is treating the drunk guy.
我们不得不等一个小时，因为医生正在治疗那个醉汉。
He beat us there.
他在那里打败了我们。
Eventually we're with the doctor and he apologizes for the wait.
最终我们见到了医生，他对我们的等待表示歉意。
And Andy says, "Was the other guy drunk?"
安迪说：“另一个人喝醉了吗？”
And the doctor says, "I can't answer that."
医生说：“我无法回答这个问题。”
And Andy says, "Was he?" He uses the tactic we had learned earlier from the cop.
安迪说：“是吗？”他使用了我们之前从警察那里学到的策略。
And it works!
它有效！
The doctor says, "Well, he's heading to jail now." And Andy and I flash each other a look like the Hardy Boys.
医生说：“好吧，他现在要去监狱了。”安迪和我互相展示了哈迪男孩的样子。
Case closed.
案件结案。
Andy and I get back to the house at 4 or 5 o'clock, and I have one of those cliche revelations a lot of people have when they have near death experiences.
安迪和我在四点或五点钟回到家，我得到了许多人在经历濒死体验时都会有的陈词滥调之一。
And I'm like, I think I have to call Jenny and tell her that we need to get married.
我想，我想我必须打电话给珍妮，告诉她我们需要结婚。
And Andy says, "Sleep on it."
安迪说：“睡吧。”
And I say, "No, no. I figured it out.
我说：“不，不。我明白了。
I mean this all makes sense.
我的意思是这一切都有道理。
I need to call her right now."
我现在需要给她打电话。”
And he says, "Mike, sleep on it." He saves me.
他说：“迈克，睡吧。”他救了我。
And the next morning, I fly back to New York and I get a call on my voice mail from the rental car agency telling me that the accident report found me at fault.
第二天早上，我飞回纽约，我的语音信箱接到租车公司打来的电话，告诉我事故报告发现我有过错。
And I owed $12,000 for the repairs on the other guy's Mercedes SUV.
我还欠别人 12,000 美元的修理费。
And I called back right away, and I explained that this is a mistake and the woman says, "Unless they change the accident report, you owe $12,000."
我立即回电话，解释说这是一个错误，那位女士说：“除非他们更改事故报告，否则你欠 12,000 美元。”
And so I just start freaking out.
所以我开始抓狂了。
And I'm like, I need to fix this.
我想，我需要解决这个问题。
I get the accident report and it's a mess.
我收到了事故报告，结果一团糟。
I can see why there's a misunderstanding.
我明白为什么会有误会了。
An accident report is kind of like homework for cops.
事故报告有点像警察的家庭作业。
And Officer Timson, not so good with the homework.
蒂姆森警官的作业做得不太好。
The report mixes up vehicle one and vehicle two, driver one and driver two.
该报告混淆了一号车和二号车、一号司机和二号司机。
I actually want to show you this.
我其实想给你看这个。
This is the actual report, and it mixes it up so badly that it says P-1, that's me, started to go, but all of a sudden V-1, that's also me, came at a high rate of speed, crashing into him.
这是真实的报告，它混淆得非常严重，以至于它说 P-1，也就是我，开始离开，但突然 V-1，也就是我，以很高的速度冲过来，撞到了他身上。
They're saying I crashed into my own car.
他们说我撞上了自己的车。
I mean I'm pretty self-destructive, but I would never crash into my own car, with my own car.
我的意思是，我很有自我毁灭性，但我永远不会用我自己的车撞上我自己的车。
Nor would I understand how to do that.
我也不明白该怎么做。
I also love this.
我也喜欢这个。
The statement of the other driver at the scene of the crime.
案发现场另一名司机的陈述。
I was going on Venice.
我本来要去威尼斯。
I'm not too sure.
我不太确定。
I was going away from the beach.
我正要离开海滩。
I was driving.
我当时正在开车。
I don't know what happened.
我不知道发生了什么事。
Did I hurt anyone?
我伤害了任何人吗？
I don't know where I was going, but I came from home.
我不知道我要去哪里，但我从家里回来了。
I had a sip of beer.
我喝了一口啤酒。
Which is really everyone's favorite quantity of beer-- is the sip.
事实上，每个人最喜欢的啤酒量是小口。
That's what they serve at the pubs these days-- a pint, a pitcher, a sip, a tablespoon.
这就是现在酒吧里提供的服务——一品脱、一罐、一小口、一汤匙。
People are like, aw man, I had a sip of beer.
人们就像，天哪，我喝了一口啤酒。
I don't know where I'm driving from, or where I'm driving to.
我不知道我要从哪里开车，也不知道要开往哪里。
Well, the problem is that even with all that, Officer Timson made one key mistake.
好吧，问题是尽管如此，蒂姆森警官还是犯了一个关键错误。
He checked the box that said that I was at fault.
他勾选了表示我有过错的方框。
So I called the police station to get the captain on the phone, and he ducks my calls for days.
于是我打电话给警察局，让队长接电话，但他好几天都回避我的电话。
And I can't get in touch with him, and then finally I get him on the phone.
我联系不上他，最后我给他打了电话。
And I'm so relieved.
我很放心。
I'm like, I explained that I was wronged, I was nearly killed, and I tell him the whole story.
我就像，我解释说我受了委屈，我差点被杀，我告诉他整个故事。
And he says, "You made a bad turn, now do the right thing, and pay for the guy's car.
他说：“你犯了一个错误的错误，现在做正确的事，并支付那家伙的车费。
I know."
我知道。”
And I explained like this is just an easy thing to fix.
我解释说这很容易解决。
Its just a mix up.
这只是一个混合。
And he's not hearing any of it.
但他什么也没听到。
And finally I'm like, please I mean can we just discuss this for a second like just as people, just as like one human being to another?
最后我想，拜托，我的意思是我们可以像人一样讨论一下这个问题吗？就像一个人对另一个人一样？
At this point I'd become Adam Sandler in one of his more sentimental films.
此时我已经成为亚当·桑德勒（Adam Sandler）在他一部更加感伤的电影中的角色。
I was like can you see how crazy this is?
我想你能看到这有多疯狂吗？
This guy who is drunk crashed into my car, he nearly killed me.
这个醉酒的家伙撞上了我的车，他差点杀了我。
I mean inches from where he hit I'd be dead, and you're saying that my parents would have had to pay for his car.
我的意思是，距离他撞到的地方只有几英寸，我就会死掉，而你是说我的父母将不得不支付他的汽车费用。
And he says, "Do the right thing, and pay for the guy's car."
他说：“做正确的事，并支付那家伙的车费。”
And I hang up the phone, and this is when it becomes about principle.
我挂了电话，这就是原则问题了。
This isn't about money.
这不是钱的问题。
This is about stopping a man who has no regard for people or the law.
这是为了阻止一个不尊重人民或法律的人。
This is China Town.
这是中国城。
I start printing out Google maps of the scene of the accident and California state driving laws.
我开始打印事故现场的谷歌地图和加利福尼亚州驾驶法规。
I pore over the police report, circling inconsistencies, and scrolling notes in the margins.
我仔细阅读了警方的报告，圈出了不一致的地方，并在页边空白处滚动了注释。
Like, are you kidding me?
就像，你在开玩笑吗？
And this makes no sense and what is this blacked-out part?
这毫无意义，这个被涂黑的部分是什么？
There was a blacked-out part next to his blood alcohol level.
他的血液酒精浓度旁边有一个黑色的部分。
I'm calling lawyers and private investigators.
我正在打电话给律师和私家侦探。
There's only one lawyer who will even consider my case.
只有一位律师会考虑我的案子。
He's an accident lawyer, and he says, "Did you have any loss of income from the accident?"
他是一名事故律师，他说：“事故导致你有任何收入损失吗？”
I said, "No." And he says, "Did you have any loss of income-- from the accident?" And I say, "No, this isn't about money." And it gets very quiet.
我说：“不。”他说：“这次事故导致你有任何收入损失吗？”我说：“不，这不是钱的问题。”它变得非常安静。
I said, "I shouldn't have to lie.
我说：“我不应该撒谎。
I'm right."
我是对的。”
And he doesn't take the case.
而且他不接这个案子。
And this is when I start going crazy.
这就是我开始发疯的时候。
I start obsessing over the actual driver.
我开始着迷于真正的司机。
I'm like, who is this man who nearly killed me and wants my $12,000?
我想，这个差点杀了我并想要我 12,000 美元的人是谁？
I know his name, it's Jim Bosworth.
我知道他的名字，叫吉姆·博斯沃斯。
That's not his name, but I do know his name.
那不是他的名字，但我知道他的名字。
And I register for an online account at netdetective.com, which is a great site for vigilantes who have $29.95.
我在 netDetective.com 上注册了一个在线帐户，对于拥有 29.95 美元的义务警员来说，这是一个很棒的网站。
And so I know where he lives, what he does.
所以我知道他住在哪里，做什么。
My inner monologue becomes like a movie trailer for a revenge thriller like, "Jim Bosworth thought he was going to get away with this, but he didn't count on one thing-- Mike Birbiglia."
我的内心独白变得像复仇惊悚片的电影预告片一样，“吉姆·博斯沃思以为他会逃脱惩罚，但他没有指望一件事——迈克·比尔比利亚。”
So I'm up until 3:00 in the morning every night.
所以我每天晚上都要熬夜到凌晨3:00。
It's hard when you know that you're right.
当你知道自己是对的时，这很难。
And I start coming up with these illogical plans like, I'm going to quit my job and work on this full-time.
我开始想出这些不合逻辑的计划，比如，我要辞掉工作，全职从事这项工作。
I'm going to sue the LAPD.
我要起诉洛杉矶警察局。
And I will track down Jim Bosworth.
我会找到吉姆·博斯沃斯。
At this point people stop talking to me.
这时人们不再跟我说话了。
I mean my friends would call me and they'd be like, "Hey, what's going on?" I'd be like, "I'll tell you what's going on."
我的意思是，我的朋友会给我打电话，他们会说：“嘿，发生了什么事？”我会说，“我会告诉你发生了什么事。”
They'd be like, "You should get a lawyer." And I snap.
他们会说，“你应该找个律师。”我突然崩溃了。
I'm like, "This is way past lawyers!"
我想，“这已经超越律师了！”
One night Jenny and I are out to dinner and she's talking, but I'm not listening because I'm writing down ideas I have about the case on my napkin.
一天晚上，珍妮和我出去吃饭，她在说话，但我没有听，因为我正在餐巾纸上写下我对这个案子的想法。
This is the actual napkin.
这才是真正的餐巾纸。
I don't know if you can see this, but it's a very carefully laid-out argument about my situation.
我不知道你是否能看到这一点，但这是一个关于我的处境的非常仔细的论证。
And she says, "Why don't you do that in the morning?"
她说：“你为什么不在早上做呢？”
And I say, "This is serious.
我说：“这很严重。
Which part of this napkin don't you understand?"
这餐巾纸的哪一部分你不明白？”
She says, "I don't know what to tell you Mike because you're right, but it's only hurting you.
她说：“迈克，我不知道该告诉你什么，因为你是对的，但这只会伤害你。
And I'm just so glad that you're alive, and I think that we should focus on that."
我很高兴你还活着，我认为我们应该关注这一点。”
She only has to say it once, and I dropped the case and I pay for the guy's car.
她只需要说一次，我就放弃了这个案子，并支付了那家伙的车费。
And a few months later Jenny and I go to City Hall and get married.
几个月后，珍妮和我去市政厅结婚了。
I still didn't believe in the idea of marriage, and I still don't.
我仍然不相信婚姻的想法，现在仍然不相信。
But I believe in her, and I've given up on the idea of being right.
但我相信她，并且我已经放弃了正确的想法。
Mike Birbiglia.
迈克·比尔比利亚。
Mike Birbiglia's one man show, Sleepwalk With Me, is playing off Broadway.
迈克·比尔比利亚 (Mike Birbiglia) 的独角戏《与我一起梦游》正在百老汇上演。
This fall, Mike Birbiglia is coming to your town on a 30-city tour.
今年秋天，Mike Birbiglia 将来到您所在的城镇，进行 30 个城市的巡演。
Coming up.
即将到来。
The secret place that Dan Savage sneaks off to at 2 o'clock on Tuesday afternoon.
周二下午 2 点，丹·萨维奇 (Dan Savage) 偷偷溜达的秘密地点。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
Each week on our show we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's show recorded at the Chicago Theater and at NYU's Skirball Center and broadcast to 430 movie theaters across the country, Return to the Scene of the Crime.
今天的节目《重返犯罪现场》在芝加哥剧院和纽约大学斯基博尔中心录制，并向全国 430 家电影院播出。
We have various people returning to the scenes of various crimes, looking for clues and answers.
我们有各种各样的人回到各种犯罪现场，寻找线索和答案。
It's very nice to see you all here in person versus the way that I usually encounter you, which is during the pledge drive, calling you each one by one to administer pledge drive justice.
很高兴能亲自在这里见到你们，而不是我通常遇到你们的方式，即在宣誓活动期间，一一打电话给你们，以执行宣誓活动正义。
That was kind of an uneasy laugh, if you ask me.
如果你问我的话，那是一种不安的笑声。
We've arrived at Act Two of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Return to the Scene of the Scene.
返回到场景的场景。
Joss Whedon is one of those people who either you have never heard of him at all, have no idea who he is, or you love him.
乔斯·韦登是这样的人之一，要么你根本没有听说过他，要么不知道他是谁，要么你爱他。
The creator of the funny, iconic Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but also Angel, Firefly, Serenity, Doll House.
他是有趣、标志性的吸血鬼猎人巴菲的创造者，也是天使、萤火虫、宁静、娃娃屋的创造者。
He makes movies.
他拍电影。
This year, with some collaborators, he decided he was going to make a musical, not for television, not for the movies, but for the internet.
今年，他与一些合作者决定制作一部音乐剧，不是为了电视，不是为了电影，而是为了互联网。
And the result was this online musical called Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog.
结果就是这部名为《恐怖博士的唱歌博客》的在线音乐剧。
For those of you in the seats looking at the people around you wondering, what are we talking about?
对于那些坐在座位上看着周围人的人来说，想知道我们在谈论什么？
Why are people so excited?
人们为何如此兴奋？
The story of Doctor Horrible is-- he's played by Neil Patrick Harris-- and he's a wannabe, not terribly successful super villain.
恐怖博士的故事是——他由尼尔·帕特里克·哈里斯扮演——他是一个想要成为超级反派的人，但并不是非常成功。
And this is from his video blog.
这是来自他的视频博客。
The show is his video blog.
该节目是他的视频博客。
-TooSlyForYou writes, "Hey, genius.
-TooSlyForYou 写道：“嘿，天才。
" Wow, sarcasm.
“哇，讽刺。
That's original.
那是原创的。
-"Where are the gold bars you were supposed to pull out of that bank vault with your trans-matter ray?
-“你应该用你的跨物质射线从银行金库中取出的金条在哪里？
Obviously it failed, or it would be in the papers."
显然它失败了，否则就会登上报纸。”
-Well, no they're not going to say anything in the press, but behold.
-好吧，不，他们不会在媒体上发表任何言论，但是看吧。
Transported from there to here.
从那里运送到这里。
Everybody listening on the radio, he's holding up a baggie full of brown liquid.
每个人都在听广播，他举着一个装满棕色液体的袋子。
-Molecules tend to shift during the trans-matter events.
-分子在跨物质事件中往往会发生变化。
Dr. Horrible, in the first episode, he goes on from that point to explain this new invention that he's invented to rule the world that he's almost perfected called the Freeze Ray.
恐怖博士，在第一集中，他从那时起继续解释他发明的这项新发明，他发明这个发明是为了统治他几乎完美的世界，称为冷冻射线。
He then goes through some other emails, another email or two, including one from a guy claiming to be his nemesis, to which Dr. Horrible replies, "Dude, you are not my nemesis."
然后他又浏览了一些其他电子邮件，又一两封电子邮件，其中一封来自一个自称是他的宿敌的人，恐怖博士回复说：“伙计，你不是我的宿敌。”
And then, Dr. Horrible comes to this email.
然后，恐怖博士看到了这封电子邮件。
-Here's one from Dead Not Sleeping.
-这是《死不瞌睡》中的一张。
"Longtime watcher, first time writing." Blah blah blah blah.
“关注已久，第一次写。”巴拉巴拉巴拉巴拉。
"You always say in your blog that you will show her the way.
“你总是在博客中说你会为她指明道路。
Show her you are a true villain.
让她知道你是一个真正的恶棍。
Who is her, and does she even know that your--
她是谁，她是否知道你——
[END AUDIO PLAYBACK] Dr. Horrible.
[音频播放结束] 恐怖博士。
So anyway they did this on the internet and it's a crazy, huge sensation.
不管怎样，他们在互联网上做到了这一点，这引起了疯狂、巨大的轰动。
200,000 people an hour tried to download it on the first day.
第一天每小时就有 20 万人尝试下载。
It won a People's Choice Award for Favorite Online Sensation, which I think is a really funny category.
它赢得了“最受网络轰动效应”人民选择奖，我认为这是一个非常有趣的类别。
This year it's been one of the top 25 best-selling movies and TV shows at Amazon.com and so like, big sensation right?
今年，它成为亚马逊网站上最畅销的 25 部电影和电视节目之一，所以，轰动一时吧？
So they decided let's put out a DVD.
所以他们决定推出一张 DVD。
Of course, that would mean that they would have to return to the scene of their own work and do a DVD commentary.
当然，那就意味着他们必须回到自己的工作现场，做DVD解说。
And so in an incredibly macho move, they decided OK, well we have this musical we made.
因此，他们做出了令人难以置信的男子气概决定，好吧，我们制作了这部音乐剧。
They would also do the DVD commentary-- as a musical.
他们还会制作 DVD 解说——作为一部音乐剧。
So the commentary itself also rhymes, it's set to music.
所以评论本身也押韵，它是配乐的。
It both comments on, and critiques, the conventions of a DVD commentary, while synchronously existing with the movie.
它对DVD解说的惯例进行了评论和批评，同时与电影同步存在。
So it included this song where Joss Whedon got to express, as a filmmaker, what it feels like, what it means to do a DVD commentary, and have to return to his own work and talk about that work as part of his job.
因此，其中包括乔斯·韦登（Joss Whedon）在这首歌中表达的感受，作为一名电影制作人，做 DVD 解说意味着什么，并且必须回到自己的工作中，并作为他工作的一部分谈论这项工作。
And he's agreed to play that song for us here today.
他同意今天在这里为我们演奏这首歌。
Before we booked him for this show, he actually never had played in front of an audience larger than nine people.
在我们为他预订这场演出之前，他实际上从未在超过九人的观众面前表演过。
He actually taught himself piano to write musicals like this a couple years ago.
几年前，他实际上自学了钢琴来写这样的音乐剧。
He never had performed on a stage.
他从未在舞台上表演过。
He'll be accompanied-- he wanted an actual professional musician with him just for backup-- so he'll be accompanied on guitar by Matt Clark who is a longtime Chicago musician to a lot of bands, most recently White Light.
他将由马特·克拉克（Matt Clark）为他伴奏——他想要一位真正的专业音乐家与他一起作为后备——所以他将由马特·克拉克（Matt Clark）担任吉他伴奏，马特·克拉克是芝加哥许多乐队的长期音乐家，最近是白光乐队（White Light）。
Please welcome in his very brave musical, theatrical debut, film-making legend, Mr. Joss Whedon.
请欢迎他勇敢的音乐剧、戏剧处女作、电影制作传奇人物乔斯·韦登先生。
[APPLAUSE] [MUSIC - "HEART (BROKEN)" BY JOSS WHEDON]
[掌声] [音乐 - JOSS WHEDON 的《心（破碎）》]
A caveman painted on a cave.
穴居人在洞穴上作画。
It was a bison, was a fave
这是一头野牛，是我的最爱
They didn't ask why?
他们没有问为什么？
Why paint a bison if it's dead?
如果野牛已经死了，为什么还要画它呢？
He told their story.
他讲述了他们的故事。
What came before he didn't show.
之前发生的事情他没有表现出来。
We're not supposed to.
我们不应该这样做。
In Homer's Odyssey was swell,
荷马的《奥德赛》很精彩，
He told the tale, but didn't tell the audience why.
他讲述了这个故事，但没有告诉观众原因。
He's not the story.
他不是故事里的人。
He's just a door we open if our lives need lifting.
当我们的生活需要提升时，他只是我们打开的一扇门。
But now we pick, pick, pick, pick, pick it apart.
但现在我们把它挑、挑、挑、挑、挑。
Open it up to find the tick, tick, tick of a heart.
打开它，发现一颗心的滴答声。
A heart broken.
一颗心破碎了。
It's broken by the endless loads
它被无尽的负载所打破
Of making ofs and mobisodes, The tie-ins, prequels, games, and codes the audience buys.
制作和移动剧集、观众购买的搭售、前传、游戏和代码。
Hey spoiler warnin'.
嘿剧透警告。
We're gonna pick, pick, pick, pick, pick it apart.
我们要挑选，挑选，挑选，挑选，挑选它。
Open it up to find the tick, tick tick of a heart.
打开它，发现一颗心的滴答滴答。
A heart broken down.
一颗心都碎了。
Do you really need to know?
你真的需要知道吗？
Let it go, oh no. No the crowd won't rest 'til he explains,
放手吧，哦不。不，人群不会休息，直到他解释，
Or anything that infotains And that maintains my fame,
或者任何包含信息并保持我的名声的东西，
What am I doing?
我在做什么？
There's people watching.
还有人在看呢
So let's return now to the scene.
现在让我们回到现场。
I'll tell the story.
我会讲这个故事。
It's kind of slow and doesn't quite advance the story.
节奏有点慢，并不能很好地推动故事的发展。
Get on the fun train.
登上有趣的火车。
We're gonna pick, pick, pick, pick, pick it apart.
我们要挑选，挑选，挑选，挑选，挑选它。
Open it up to find the tick, tick, tick of a heart.
打开它，发现一颗心的滴答声。
We're gonna pick, we're gonna pick, pick, pick it apart,
我们要挑选，我们要挑选，挑选，把它分开，
Pick up a stick and find the tick, tick, tick of a heart.
拿起一根棍子，找到一颗心的滴答声。
A heart on sale now.
现在正在出售一颗心。
Mr. Joss Whedon.
乔斯·韦登先生。
On vocals and piano.
论声乐和钢琴。
Matt Clark on guitar.
马特·克拉克弹吉他。
Matt, by the way, is now a law student at Washington University in Saint Louis and is skipping out of finals to be here.
顺便说一句，马特现在是圣路易斯华盛顿大学的法学院学生，他正在跳过期末考试来到这里。
Good luck to him.
祝他好运。
One of the things that's the strangest thing about returns to the scene of the crime are that so many of them involve somebody returning to someplace where he really doesn't want to go.
返回犯罪现场最奇怪的事情之一是，其中很多都涉及到某人返回他真正不想去的地方。
Someplace that he dislikes, or disagrees with, or wished he'd never been at in the first place.
某个他不喜欢、不同意、或者希望自己从一开始就没有去过的地方。
But then the person finds they can't help themselves, he goes back.
但后来这个人发现自己无法控制自己，他就回去了。
Well, Dan Savage has written books about he and his boyfriend deciding to get married and then adopting a little boy, actually not in that order.
丹·萨维奇（Dan Savage）写过一些书，讲述他和男友决定结婚，然后收养一个小男孩，但实际上并不是按这个顺序。
He made a name for himself writing a funny and deeply informed sex advice column called Savage Love.
他因撰写有趣且内容丰富的性建议专栏《野蛮之爱》而出名。
Please welcome Dan Savage.
欢迎丹·萨维奇。
Hello.
你好。
This is intimidating with that kind of welcome.
这种欢迎令人生畏。
The crime scene in this story is a Catholic church.
这个故事中的犯罪现场是一座天主教堂。
In particular, Saint Ignatius on Glenwood Avenue on the North Side of Chicago.
特别是芝加哥北区格伦伍德大道上的圣伊格内修斯。
And yes, I went to Catholic grade schools.
是的，我去了天主教小学。
And yes, I was an altar boy.
是的，我是一名祭坛侍童。
But no, the crime is not what you've already assumed.
但不，犯罪并不是你已经假设的那样。
No Catholic school children were harmed during the production of this story.
在这个故事的制作过程中，没有天主教学校的孩子受到伤害。
So you can relax.
这样你就可以放松了。
I'm not a practicing Catholic.
我不是虔诚的天主教徒。
I am a lapsed Catholic.
我是一名失信的天主教徒。
An agnostatheist.
一个不可知论者。
A sort of agnostic-atheist hybrid.
一种不可知论者与无神论者的混合体。
Which means I cross myself on airplanes.
这意味着我在飞机上画十字。
I once blew up at a friend who thought it was hilarious to invert one of the crucifixes in my ironic collection of Catholic kitsch.
我曾经对一位朋友大发雷霆，因为他认为把我的天主教媚俗讽刺收藏中的一个十字架倒过来很搞笑。
And half the time when I take the Lord's name in vain, like when I mutter Jesus Christ through clenched teeth as my boyfriend passes someone going 90 miles an hour, I am in all honesty seeking the protection of a higher power.
当我徒劳地称呼主的名字时，就像当我的男朋友经过一个时速90英里的人时，我咬紧牙关嘀咕耶稣基督时，我诚实地寻求更高权力的保护。
I go right back to not believing in God once he's safely delivered us back to the right hand lane.
一旦他把我们安全地送回右边车道，我就不再相信上帝了。
Which makes me a hypocrite.
这让我成为一个伪君子。
And an ingrate.
还有一个忘恩负义的人。
I was raised in a Catholic home.
我在一个天主教家庭长大。
I went to the same Catholic grade school my mother and grandmother did, and I had some of the same nuns they both did as teachers.
我在母亲和祖母就读的同一所天主教小学上学，我有一些和她们一样当老师的修女。
But by age seven, I was already having trouble reconciling loving father with eternal damnation.
但到了七岁时，我已经很难调和慈爱的父亲与永恒的诅咒了。
But the fatal blow came at age 14, with the realization that I was gay.
但致命的打击发生在我 14 岁时，我意识到自己是同性恋。
Something I figured out at roughly the same time I entered an all-male high school for Catholic boys thinking about becoming priests.
大约在我进入一所天主教男孩高中的同时，我想到了一些事情，考虑成为牧师。
Which is a bit like realizing you're an alcoholic on your first day working at the Budweiser bottling plant.
这有点像在百威啤酒装瓶厂工作的第一天就意识到自己是个酒鬼。
Luckily for my sanity, I didn't think, "Oh my God, I'm going to hell." I thought, that can't be right.
幸运的是，我的理智还算清醒，我没有想到，“天啊，我要下地狱了。”我想，这不对。
What the church-- my church-- says about me.
教会——我的教会——对我的评价。
They have to be wrong.
他们一定是错的。
Soon I was contemplating the possibility that the church was wrong about other stuff.
很快我就开始思考教会在其他事情上是否有错误的可能性。
Maybe lots of other stuff.
也许还有很多其他的东西。
The odds of virgin births.
处女生育的几率。
The virtues of celibacy.
独身的美德。
The evils of masturbation.
手淫的祸害。
And it didn't take long to arrive at the biggest doubt of all-- the existence of God.
没过多久，我们就得出了最大的疑问——上帝的存在。
And that was that.
就是这样。
By senior year I'd started going to a public school and stopped going to church, except for the odd family wedding, baptism, or funeral.
到了高年级，我开始去公立学校，不再去教堂，除了奇怪的家庭婚礼、洗礼或葬礼。
And they are all odd, aren't they?
他们都很奇怪，不是吗？
I go to church about as often as I go to Planned Parenthood for a Pap smear.
我去教堂的次数和去计划生育协会做子宫颈抹片检查的次数一样多。
Then, 12 months ago, my mother died.
然后，12 个月前，我母亲去世了。
A virus can lay dormant in your body for so long that it's possible to forget you were ever infected.
病毒可以在您的体内潜伏很长时间，以至于您可能会忘记自己曾经被感染过。
Then something happens that weakens your immune system and the virus seizes its opportunity.
然后发生一些事情削弱你的免疫系统，病毒就会抓住机会。
For more than two decades the Catholicism I'd contracted at Saint Ignatius had lain dormant, manifesting itself only on airplanes and in passing lanes.
二十多年来，我在圣伊格内修斯感染的天主教信仰一直处于休眠状态，只在飞机上和超车道上表现出来。
But the immunity I'd long enjoyed was weakened by my mother's death.
但我长期以来享有的免疫力因母亲的去世而被削弱。
Because since that sunny, awful day in Tucson last spring, I found myself slipping into Catholic churches.
因为自从去年春天图森那个阳光明媚、可怕的一天以来，我发现自己溜进了天主教堂。
Not for odd weddings or funerals, but on totally random days of non-holy, non-obligation.
不是为了奇怪的婚礼或葬礼，而是在完全随机的非神圣、非义务的日子。
Tuesday afternoons, Friday mornings.
周二下午、周五上午。
And not just going to church, but going out of my way to go to church.
不仅仅是去教堂，而是不遗余力地去教堂。
There's a Modernist Catholic chapel close to my office.
我的办公室附近有一座现代主义天主教堂。
It won a big design award, but to me it looks like all modern churches do.
它赢得了一项大奖，但对我来说，它看起来就像所有现代教堂一样。
Like someone stuck a crucifix up on the wall in the rec room at the Brady house.
就像有人在布雷迪家娱乐室的墙上贴了一个十字架。
Saint James Cathedral in downtown Seattle, a longer walk, looks like a Catholic church should.
圣詹姆斯大教堂位于西雅图市中心，步行较长一段，看起来像天主教堂应有的样子。
A lot like Saint Ignatius, actually.
事实上，很像圣依纳爵。
Stained glass, marble, crowds of plaster saints.
彩色玻璃、大理石、成群的石膏圣人。
Saint James is open for contemplation all day during the week.
圣詹姆斯每周全天开放供沉思。
There are usually one or two volunteers straightening up the hymnals and the offering envelopes in the backs of the pews, and keeping an eye on the homeless people, and me, that have come in to get out of the rain.
通常会有一两个志愿者整理长椅后面的赞美诗集和奉献信封，并留意那些无家可归的人和我进来避雨的人。
There's no music, only a few lights are on, and when a priest strolls through he doesn't make eye contact with anyone.
没有音乐，只有几盏灯亮着，当牧师漫步穿过时，他不会与任何人进行目光接触。
When my mother would call me with bad news-- a relative I hadn't seen in years diagnosed with cancer, a friend of hers with a desperately ill grandchild-- she would always say, "I know you don't pray, Daniel.
当我母亲打电话告诉我坏消息时——一位我多年未见的亲戚被诊断出患有癌症，她的一位朋友带着病重的孙子——她总是会说：“我知道你不祈祷，丹尼尔。
Keep them in your thoughts." My mom knew that thoughts were the best I could do.
把它们记在心里。”我妈妈知道，思考是我能做的最好的事情。
And now, at Saint James, I sit in a bank of pews opposite a white marble statue of the Virgin Mother, stare into her face, and keep my mother in my thoughts.
现在，在圣詹姆斯，我坐在圣母玛利亚白色大理石雕像对面的一排长椅上，凝视着她的脸，脑海里浮现出我的母亲。
Sorry.
抱歉。
By her own estimation my mother was a good Catholic.
据她自己的评价，我母亲是一位优秀的天主教徒。
She believed in Jesus, the Resurrection, the virgin births, both of them.
她相信耶稣、复活、童贞女生育，两者都相信。
There are two, did you know that?
有两个，你知道吗？
What are the odds?
几率有多大？
The Trinity, the Sacraments.
三位一体，圣礼。
She believed that sex was sacred, and that people, particularly people with children, should be married to each other.
她相信性是神圣的，人们，特别是有孩子的人，应该结婚。
But she didn't believe that being a good Catholic meant blind obedience.
但她不认为成为一名优秀的天主教徒就意味着盲目服从。
So I guess you could say she was a good American Catholic.
所以我想你可以说她是一位优秀的美国天主教徒。
She believed women should be priests.
她认为女性应该成为牧师。
That priests should be able to marry.
牧师应该能够结婚。
And after four pregnancies in four years, she concluded that birth control was not a sin.
四年内怀孕四次后，她得出结论，节育并不是一种罪过。
She prayed that the leaders of her church would come around during her lifetime.
她祈祷教会的领袖在她有生之年能够回心转意。
Unfortunately, the church, under the last two popes, went in the opposite direction.
不幸的是，教会在最后两位教皇的领导下，走向了相反的方向。
And whenever the present pope, Benny, she called him, or the previous pope, JP2, condemned birth control, or insisted that women could not and would not ever be ordained as priests, my mother would sometimes call me and sigh and say, it's like they're trying to make Lutherans of us all.
每当现任教皇本尼（她这样称呼他）或前任教皇 JP2 谴责节育，或坚持认为妇女不能也永远不会被任命为牧师时，我母亲有时会打电话给我，叹息着说，就像他们试图让我们所有人成为路德教徒一样。
But she refused to leave the church because she believed it was her church, too, just as much as it was Benny's, or JP2's.
但她拒绝离开教堂，因为她相信这也是她的教堂，就像是本尼或 JP2 的教堂一样。
A little voice inside her head said, that can't be right, they must be wrong.
她脑子里有个小声音说，那不可能是对的，他们一定是错的。
That voice, the same one I heard, somehow left her faith stronger.
那声音，和我听到的一样，不知何故让她的信念更加坚定。
She took it hard when I came out.
当我出来的时候，她很为难。
Her first impulse was to call a priest.
她的第一反应就是打电话给牧师。
God bless Father Tom, who, when my mother, distraught, told him I'd just come out to her, placed a hand on my mother's knee and came out to her himself.
上帝保佑汤姆神父，当我母亲心烦意乱时，他告诉他我刚刚向她出柜，并将一只手放在我母亲的膝盖上，亲自向她出柜。
[APPLAUSE] My mother came around fast.
[鼓掌]我妈妈很快就醒过来了。
And came out swinging.
然后摇摇晃晃地出来了。
Rainbow stickers on her car, a PFLAG membership, and an ultimatum delivered to the entire extended family.
她的车上贴有彩虹贴纸，成为 PFLAG 会员，并向整个大家庭发出最后通牒。
Anyone who had a problem with me, had a much bigger problem with her.
任何对我有问题的人，对她都有更大的问题。
My mother was diagnosed with a degenerative lung condition six years ago.
六年前，我的母亲被诊断出患有退行性肺部疾病。
She had some bad years, but she was stable enough last spring to drive down to the Southwest with her husband, my step dad, to visit her sisters.
她经历了一些糟糕的岁月，但去年春天她已经足够稳定，可以和她的丈夫（我的继父）开车去西南地区看望她的姐妹们。
She took a turn in Tucson, where she was hospitalized for a week.
她在图森转了一圈，在那里住院了一个星期。
But we thought she was going to pull through, as she had on several other occasions.
但我们认为她会渡过难关，就像她在其他几次情况下所做的那样。
Her doctors in Chicago had just given her two more years.
她在芝加哥的医生刚刚又给了她两年的治疗时间。
But the morning of her seventh day in the ICU, the morning we'd begun to make arrangements to get her back home to her own bed and her own doctors, a moment after my stepfather left her bedside for the first time in a week, a doctor appeared at the door of her room and waved me into the hallway.
但她在重症监护室的第七天早上，我们开始安排她回家，回到自己的床上，接受自己的医生，就在我继父一周以来第一次离开她的床边后不久，一位医生出现在她的房间门口，挥手让我进入走廊。
There'd been developments.
事情已经有了进展。
Her lungs have been slowly disintegrating for five years, and now they were coming apart.
五年来，她的肺部一直在慢慢分解，现在已经快要裂开了。
One had a hole in it that was getting bigger, and there was no going home.
其中一个洞越来越大，无法回家。
This was it.
就是这样。
The doctor told me he needed a medical directive from my mother, and he needed it now.
医生告诉我他需要我母亲的医疗指示，他现在就需要。
Can I go get my stepfather?
我可以去找我的继父吗？
No. Now.
不，现在。
So it fell to me to tell my mother that she was going to die, and lay out her limited options.
因此，我有责任告诉母亲她即将死去，并列出她有限的选择。
She could have a tube put down her throat and be hooked up to a machine that would breathe for her for a day or two.
她可以将一根管子插入她的喉咙，然后连接到一台可以为她呼吸一两天的机器上。
But she would be in a drug-induced coma, although she would live long enough for her other two sons to come to Tucson, but she wouldn't know that they were there.
但她会陷入药物引起的昏迷，尽管她会活得足够长，让她的另外两个儿子来到图森，但她不会知道他们在那里。
She could wear an oxygen mask that violently forced air into her lungs and live for six more hours.
她可以戴上氧气面罩，猛烈地迫使空气进入她的肺部，然后再活六个小时。
Or she could take the mask off and go now.
或者她现在可以摘下面具走人。
No mask, she said.
没有口罩，她说。
No tube.
没有管子。
Now.
现在。
I told the doctor.
我告诉医生。
And then I ran to the ICU's waiting room to get my step dad and my sister and my aunt.
然后我跑到重症监护室的候诊室去接我的继父、我的妹妹和我的阿姨。
She didn't go into the hospital expecting to die, and she was not ready to go.
她进医院并没有等死，她也没有准备好去。
When we were all at her bedside, she arched one eyebrow, shook her head and said, "Shit!"
当我们都在她床边时，她挑起一根眉毛，摇摇头说：“妈的！”
My mother used profanity sparingly, and only in quotation marks.
我母亲很少使用脏话，而且只用引号。
When she said "shit," what she meant was the kind of person who casually uses profanity might be inclined to say "shit" at a moment like this, but I am not the kind of person who uses profanity.
她说“狗屎”的意思是，那种随便说脏话的人可能会在这种时候说“狗屎”，但我不是那种说脏话的人。
I am a Catholic grandmother.
我是一位天主教祖母。
And I certainly wouldn't use it at a moment like this, but if I were the kind of person who used profanity, "shit" might be the word I would use right now.
我当然不会在这种时候使用它，但如果我是那种使用脏话的人，“狗屎”可能就是我现在会使用的词。
But I'm not that kind of person.
但我不是那样的人。
She swore on her death bed as a joke, because she wanted to make us feel better.
她临终前在床上发誓是开玩笑，因为她想让我们感觉好一点。
A priest arrived to perform last rites.
一名牧师前来执行最后的仪式。
And it helped her brace for what she knew was coming for an extremely painful final few moments.
这帮助她做好准备，迎接即将到来的极其痛苦的最后时刻。
I could see it help.
我可以看到它有帮助。
I could see the comfort the sacrament gave her.
我可以看到圣餐给她带来的安慰。
It gave me comfort.
它给了我安慰。
The priest led us in prayer.
神父带领我们祈祷。
Prayers my mother and I both learned at Saint Ignatius.
我和母亲都在圣伊格纳修斯学会了祈祷。
Prayers that filled a terrible silence, and solemnized an awful moment.
祈祷充满了可怕的寂静，庄严了一个可怕的时刻。
And then my mother told us she would be with us always, looking down on us, and that we would see her again.
然后我母亲告诉我们，她会永远和我们在一起，看不起我们，我们会再次见到她。
She didn't say in heaven, but that is what she meant.
她没有说在天堂，但她就是这个意思。
Then she made her last request.
然后她提出了最后的请求。
"Remember me.
“记住我。
Keep me in your thoughts, Daniel."
让我一直在你的脑海里，丹尼尔。”
One of the cards in the back of the pews at Saint James is addressed to non-practicing Catholics.
圣詹姆斯教堂长椅后面的一张卡片是写给非天主教徒的。
"WELCOME BACK" is printed in large letters across the top.
顶部印有大字“WELCOME BACK”。
Are you a Catholic who's been away from the church?
您是远离教堂的天主教徒吗？
Welcome back classes are designed to help you return to the sacraments and regular church attendance.
欢迎回来课程旨在帮助您恢复圣礼和定期参加教堂活动。
A return to the sacraments.
回到圣礼。
I fantasized about returning to the sacrament of confession.
我幻想着回到忏悔圣事。
Forgive me father, for I have sinned.
父亲，请原谅我，因为我犯了罪。
It's been 29 years since my last confession.
距离我上次告白已经过去了 29 年。
Hope you packed a lunch.
希望你带了午餐。
I want for there to be heaven.
我希望那里有天堂。
And I want her to be looking down on me.
我希望她看不起我。
Though, and I say this is a professional sex advice columnist, not all the time.
不过，我说这是一位专业的性建议专栏作家，但并非一直如此。
There are things a mother has a right not to know, she used to say.
她常说，有些事情母亲有权不知道。
But Catholicism now tempts me.
但天主教现在诱惑着我。
I wouldn't be wasting so much time in Saint James if it didn't.
如果不是的话，我就不会在圣詹姆斯浪费这么多时间。
My boyfriend would not have found a "WELCOME BACK" card in the back pocket of my jeans if it didn't.
如果不是的话，我男朋友就不会在我牛仔裤的后口袋里找到一张“欢迎回来”的卡片。
But when I am tempted, when I feel like, maybe, I could go through the motions, Return to the sacraments, take what comfort I can, the Pope goes to Africa and says that condoms spread AIDS, or an archbishop in Brazil excommunicates a Catholic woman for getting her nine year old daughter an abortion, but not the Catholic man that raped the nine year old girl.
但当我受到诱惑时，当我觉得，也许，我可以走过场，回到圣礼，尽我所能地得到安慰，教皇去非洲说避孕套传播艾滋病，或者巴西的一位大主教因一名天主教妇女让她九岁的女儿堕胎而将其逐出教会，但不是强奸九岁女孩的天主教男子。
Or I contemplate how the church views me and the two people I love most in the world, my boyfriend of 14 years and our 11-year-old son, and I think, I can't even fake this.
或者我思考教会如何看待我和我在世界上最爱的两个人，我 14 年的男友和我们 11 岁的儿子，我想，我什至无法假装这一点。
But there I sit at Saint James two or three times a week.
但我每周都会去圣詹姆斯坐两到三次。
Being brought up in a faith built around a guy jumping out of his tomb?
是在一个围绕着一个从坟墓里跳出来的人的信仰中长大的吗？
That makes it difficult to reconcile oneself to the permanence of death.
这使得自己很难接受死亡的永久性。
Who knew?
谁知道？
The afterlife.
来世。
It's cruel really, when you think about it.
仔细想想，这确实很残酷。
Criminal.
犯罪。
Telling children that the people they love don't die.
告诉孩子们，他们所爱的人不会死。
That there's some other life, some better place, a place without pulmonary fibrosis, or Tucson, Arizona.
还有另一种生活，一些更好的地方，一个没有肺纤维化的地方，或者亚利桑那州的图森。
And maybe that lie is a comfort for some, but it's made death more painful for me, not less.
也许这个谎言对某些人来说是一种安慰，但它让死亡对我来说更加痛苦，而不是更少。
Which is the opposite of religion's intended effect, is it not?
这与宗教的预期效果相反，不是吗？
The voice of unreason in my head, the voice of nuns back at Saint Ignatius says, "She lives.
我脑海中不合理的声音，圣依纳爵修女们的声音说：“她还活着。
She is in heaven." And the voice of reason, which sounds a lot like Christopher Hitchens, barks back, "No, she doesn't.
她在天堂。”理性的声音听起来很像克里斯托弗·希钦斯，他咆哮道：“不，她不在。
She's dead.
她死了。
Get over it already."
已经克服它了。”
This inability to reconcile myself to death has not been good for me.
这种无法接受死亡的状态对我来说并不是好事。
I visit Saint James like an addict drops by a crack house.
我访问圣詹姆斯就像一个瘾君子来到了一个破房子。
For a fix.
为了修复。
To deaden the pain, by losing myself momentarily in the fantasy that she lives, and that we will be together again.
为了减轻痛苦，暂时迷失在她活着的幻想中，以及我们将再次在一起的幻想中。
There's an inscription on the ceiling of Saint James, "I am in your midst."
圣詹姆斯教堂的天花板上刻着这样的铭文：“我在你们中间”。
If I were the kind of person who could believe, I would believe.
如果我是那种能够相信的人，我就会相信。
But I'm not that kind of person.
但我不是那样的人。
Shit.
妈的。
Thank you.
谢谢你。
[APPLAUSE] Ira Glass Dan Savage.
[掌声]艾拉·格拉斯·丹·萨维奇。
Sex advice columnist.
性建议专栏作家。
Editor of The Stranger.
《陌生人》的编辑。
And the host of one of the most entertaining podcasts in the country, The Savage Love podcast.
也是该国最有趣的播客之一《野蛮之爱》播客的主持人。
A couple weeks ago as we were preparing for today's broadcast, I was in Baltimore visiting my dad, and I'd been going over drafts of the stories for today's show including Dan's, and I was visiting my dad in Baltimore.
几周前，当我们准备今天的广播时，我在巴尔的摩拜访了我的父亲，我一直在审阅今天节目的故事草稿，包括丹的故事，我当时正在巴尔的摩拜访我的父亲。
And my dad showed me how he had digitized all of our old family videos, which apparently is a really good project if you're retired.
我父亲向我展示了他如何将我们所有的旧家庭视频数字化，如果你退休了，这显然是一个非常好的项目。
And among the videos was footage from one of our very first live shows.
这些视频中有我们最早的一场现场表演的片段。
We'd just barely been on the air at all, and it was Valentine's Day in 1998.
我们刚刚播出，那是 1998 年的情人节。
It was a slightly smaller audience than we have today.
当时的观众比我们今天的观众要少一些。
It was at a bar.
那是在一家酒吧。
The Empty Bottle on Western in Chicago.
芝加哥西部片的空瓶子。
The Empty Bottle's reach is that big?
空瓶的影响力有那么大吗？
Anyway so he had footage.
无论如何，他有镜头。
He had filmed the thing, and there was this footage that I didn't even know existed, and had never seen.
他拍摄了这件事，而我什至不知道这段视频的存在，也从未见过。
And onstage was me and my mom.
台上是我和我妈妈。
My mom died five years ago.
我妈妈五年前去世了。
She was a marriage therapist and she was giving Valentine's Day relationship advice.
她是一名婚姻治疗师，在情人节那天提供人际关系建议。
And on stage with her was Dan Savage who was giving relationship and sex advice.
与她一起上台的是丹·萨维奇（Dan Savage），他正在提供人际关系和性方面的建议。
And then at some point, Dan introduces a guest of his own.
然后在某个时候，丹介绍了他自己的一位客人。
Let's roll that.
让我们滚动一下。
[VIDEO PLAYBACK] -Judy Savage Sobiesk everybody.
[视频回放] -Judy Savage Sobiesk 大家。
-Mrs. Savage I want you to just help out by reading some questions with me, so why don't you start with that one, because--
-太太。 Savage 我希望你能帮我读一些问题，所以你为什么不从那个开始呢，因为——
-Thank God for trifocals.
-感谢上帝赐予三焦点眼镜。
Why are men typically aroused more by seeing naked bodies and women are typically more aroused by reading about them?
为什么男性通常会因为看到裸体而更加兴奋，而女性通常会因为阅读有关裸体的内容而更加兴奋？
[END VIDEO PLAYBACK] Right, Yeah, this is the main thing I learned watching this, is that Dan and I made our moms take part in a show that was really, really dirty.
[视频回放结束] 是的，这是我在看这个节目时学到的主要事情，就是丹和我让我们的妈妈参加了一场非常非常肮脏的节目。
Well, our program is produced today by our Senior Producer, Julie Snyder, our Production Manager, Seth Lind, and me.
嗯，我们的节目今天由我们的高级制片人 Julie Snyder、我们的制作经理 Seth Lind 和我制作。
With Alex Blumberg, Jane Feltes, Sarah Keonig, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
亚历克斯·布隆伯格、简·菲尔特斯、莎拉·科尼格、丽莎·波拉克、罗宾·塞米恩、艾丽莎·希普和南希·厄普代克。
Production help from Andy Dixon.
安迪·迪克森 (Andy Dixon) 提供制作帮助。
Music help from Jessica Hopper.
杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
Adrianne Mathiowetz runs our website.
阿德琳娜·马修韦茨 (Adrianne Mathiowetz) 负责运营我们的网站。
Recording by Sarah Toulouse and Mary Gaffney.
莎拉·图卢兹和玛丽·加夫尼录制。
Station outreach by Melissa Barkley at Public Radio International.
国际公共广播电台梅丽莎·巴克利 (Melissa Barkley) 的电台外展工作。
Executive Producers for our cinema event Julie and Robert Borchard-Young.
我们的电影活动的执行制片人 Julie 和 Robert Borchard-Young。
Directed by David Stern.
由大卫·斯特恩执导。
[ACKNOWLEDGMENTS] If you're listening to the radio and you want to see the full 90-minute show that we did in movie theaters, we're going to rebroadcast today's cinema event in movie theaters May 7.
[致谢] 如果您正在听广播并且想观看我们在电影院制作的完整 90 分钟的节目，我们将于 5 月 7 日在电影院重播今天的电影活动。
Thanks to Vicki Weaver, the head of probation for Putnam County Court.
感谢普特南县法院缓刑部负责人维姬·韦弗 (Vicki Weaver)。
Seth Barrish [UNINTELLIGIBLE], Josh Noel, my dad Barry Glass for video dubs, Brent [?
塞思·巴里什（Seth Barrish）[无法辨认]、乔什·诺埃尔（Josh Noel）、我父亲巴里·格拉斯（Barry Glass）负责视频配音，布伦特（Brent）[？
Candley ?] and Nicom Communications and Paula [?
坎德利？] 和 Nicom Communications 和保拉 [？
Pevzner.
佩夫兹纳。
?] Thanks to Chicago homicide detectives Luis Munoz and Mark Czworniak.
？] 感谢芝加哥凶杀案侦探路易斯·穆尼奥斯和马克·茨沃尼亚克。
Music for our live show provided by the band Chin Chin, [?
我们的现场表演音乐由 Chin Chin 乐队提供，[?
Von ?] [?
冯？] [？
Pitino, ?] Cliff Goldmacher, Kevin Hayes, Darren Wayne, K-Crews, and Fun Factor
Pitino，？] Cliff Goldmacher、Kevin Hayes、Darren Wayne、K-Crews 和 Fun Factor
For everybody listening on the radio, our live cinema event included an incredibly sad and beautiful animated cartoon by Chris Ware.
对于每个收听广播的人来说，我们的现场电影活动包括克里斯·韦尔制作的令人难以置信的悲伤而美丽的动画。
You can watch that online.
你可以在线观看。
You can also see an extra video that we made.
您还可以观看我们制作的额外视频。
David Rakoff, Dave Hill, Miles Kahn.
大卫·拉考夫、戴夫·希尔、迈尔斯·卡恩。
This American Life is distributed by the fine folks at Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台的优秀人士传播。
Support for This American Life is provided by Kashi.
对《This American Life》的支持由喀什提供。
Tips on healthy snacking, creating a green kitchen, natural recipes and more at Kashi.com.
有关健康零食、创建绿色厨房、天然食谱等的建议，请访问 Kashi.com。
Kashi.
喀什。
Seven whole grains on a mission.
七种全谷物的使命。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss Mr. Torey Malatia, who is so easy to beat at Grand Theft Auto.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的项目进行 WBEZ 管理监督，他在侠盗猎车手中很容易被打败。
Aw man, I had a sip of beer.
哦，伙计，我喝了一口啤酒。
I don't know where I'm driving from or where I'm driving to.
我不知道我要从哪里开车，也不知道要开车去哪里。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
[APPLAUSE] PRI, Public Radio International
[掌声] PRI、国际公共广播电台
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。