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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ in Chicago, it's This American Life distributed by Public Radio International.
序言 Ira Glass 来自芝加哥 WBEZ，由国际公共广播电台发行的《美国生活》。
I suppose it's not enough this time of year that we eat millions of turkeys.
我想每年这个时候我们吃数百万只火鸡是不够的。
Someone also went to the trouble to make up a song about turkeys getting the supernatural power to play baseball.
有人还煞费苦心地编了一首关于火鸡获得超自然力量打棒球的歌曲。
We know they love Thanksgiving.
我们知道他们喜欢感恩节。
Why wouldn't they enjoy our national pastime?
他们为什么不享受我们的民族消遣呢？
Of course, there is no gobbling in baseball.
当然，棒球运动中不存在狼吞虎咽的现象。
Well, during this time of year-- the beginning of the biggest poultry consumption months in these United States-- it is a tradition here on our radio show to bring you a program full of stories about turkeys, chickens, geese, ducks, fowl of all kinds.
那么，每年的这个时候——美国家禽消费量最大的月份的开始——我们的广播节目有一个传统，那就是为您带来充满火鸡、鸡、鹅、鸭和各种家禽故事的节目。
And for this year's program we have found stories about poultry and the supernatural, like turkeys playing baseball, except these stories will be true-- the ones you're about to hear.
在今年的节目中，我们发现了有关家禽和超自然现象的故事，例如火鸡打棒球，但这些故事将是真实的 - 您将要听到的故事。
We have people trying to invest chickens with magical powers.
我们有人试图给鸡赋予神奇的力量。
We have birds who may be emissaries from beyond the earth.
我们的鸟类可能是来自地球之外的使者。
We have priests using their priestly powers on the poultry industry.
我们有牧师将他们的牧师权力用于家禽业。
And we have chickens lifted heavenward and plucked of their feathers by mysterious forces no one can fathom.
我们还看到鸡被提升到天堂，并被无人能理解的神秘力量拔掉羽毛。
It is gods and chickens today on our show.
今天我们的节目是神和鸡。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
And we begin in a faraway place, an ancient place, the mountains of Pakistan near the border of Afghanistan.
我们从一个遥远的地方开始，一个古老的地方，靠近阿富汗边境的巴基斯坦山区。
Gregory Warner was living there.
格雷戈里·华纳就住在那里。
The story really begins with JD, an Afghan guy I met in Kabul.
故事真正从JD开始，他是我在喀布尔遇到的阿富汗人。
The first time I met him, he tried to pretend he was from the States.
我第一次见到他时，他试图假装自己来自美国。
He sounds really American.
他听起来真的很美国人。
Let me play you this voice mail message he left me.
让我给你播放他留给我的语音邮件。
Hey Greg.
嘿格雷格。
This is JD.
这是JD。
I'm calling from Afghanistan, man.
我是从阿富汗打来的，伙计。
Where are you?
你在哪里？
I sent you an email.
我给你发了一封电子邮件。
Hopefully you'll read it.
希望你能读到它。
Thing is, JD kind of learned his style from the US Marines.
事实是，JD 的风格是从美国海军陆战队那里学到的。
For five years, he was an interpreter for them.
五年来，他一直担任他们的翻译。
They also taught him how to shoot and how to dress.
他们还教他如何射击和如何穿着。
They even named him JD, short for Japanese Dude.
他们甚至给他起名叫 JD，是 Japanese Dude 的缩写。
Japanese, because they said he looked Asian, and dude because he's a dude.
日本人，因为他们说他看起来像亚洲人，而花花公子，因为他是花花公子。
Ciao, bitch.
再见，母狗。
Automated Voice End of message.
自动语音消息结束。
So when I was asked to go down to the Afghan border and do a story about smugglers, the first thing I did was call up JD and hire him as my translator.
因此，当我被要求前往阿富汗边境拍摄一个关于走私者的故事时，我做的第一件事就是打电话给 JD 并聘请他作为我的翻译。
He'd stopped working for the Marines by then because he'd gotten married, and his wife said it was too dangerous.
那时他已经不再为海军陆战队工作了，因为他已经结婚了，他的妻子说这太危险了。
He was restless and up for an adventure.
他焦躁不安，准备冒险。
A week later we were in Pakistan, driving a Toyota through the streets of his old hometown, Quetta.
一周后，我们到了巴基斯坦，开着一辆丰田车穿过他的故乡奎达的街道。
It's a town popular with smugglers, because it's right on the border of Afghanistan and not too far from Iran.
这是一个深受走私者欢迎的城镇，因为它位于阿富汗边境，距离伊朗不远。
And it's in the middle of the mountains, almost impossible to control.
而且它在半山之中，几乎无法控制。
JD wanted me to meet his uncle, an ex-smuggler named Ali.
JD 希望我见见他的叔叔，一位名叫阿里的前走私犯。
Actually, Ali wasn't really JD's uncle, more like a distant cousin, 20 years older.
其实，阿里并不是JD的叔叔，更像是一个远房表弟，比JD大20岁。
Back when JD was a little kid, Ali would run operations to Turkey or Malaysia, smuggling heroin, or guns, or illegal aliens.
当 JD 还是个小孩子的时候，阿里就曾到土耳其或马来西亚开展业务，走私海洛因、枪支或非法外国人。
And then a few years ago, Ali announced his retirement.
然后几年前，阿里宣布退役。
The Americans are here now, he said.
他说，美国人现在就在这里。
The game has changed.
游戏已经改变了。
When I meet Ali, he's grocery shopping in an outdoor market, but in this really commanding way.
当我见到阿里时，他正在露天市场买杂货，但方式确实很威严。
He stands some four or five feet from each stall, points a long arm at what he wants.
他站在距离每个摊位约四五英尺的地方，用长臂指着他想要的东西。
He says, "Five kilo rice.
他说：“五公斤大米。
Three Pepsi.
三个百事可乐。
Two kilo raisin.
两公斤葡萄干。
Send it home to my wife." And then he turns and strides to the next push cart, his loose clothes swishing around him like Laurence Fishburne in The Matrix.
寄回家给我妻子。”然后他转身大步走向下一辆手推车，宽松的衣服在他周围晃动，就像《黑客帝国》中的劳伦斯·菲什伯恩一样。
Ali wears dark glasses.
阿里戴着墨镜。
And he lost one eye in a gun battle, an injury that looks like it pretty much definitely should have been fatal.
他在一场枪战中失去了一只眼睛，这种伤害看起来几乎肯定是致命的。
I'm thinking that Ali's going to introduce me to some smugglers for my story.
我想阿里会为我的故事介绍一些走私者。
But Ali isn't so interested in that.
但阿里对此并不那么感兴趣。
Instead he says he's going to go shoot guns in the mountains with some friends.
相反，他说他要和一些朋友一起去山上打枪。
And we're welcome to tag along.
欢迎我们一起跟随。
Then Ali walks into a store.
然后阿里走进一家商店。
And he comes out with a cardboard box.
他拿出一个纸板箱。
On the outside of the box, it's stamped, Pampers.
盒子外面印着“Pampers”。
Inside the box is a live chicken.
盒子里是一只活鸡。
Then Ali closes the box, wraps it up in a scarf, and slings it over shoulder.
然后阿里合上盒子，用围巾包起来，然后把它挎在肩上。
We follow him and his three scruffy looking friends out of the market, past the last mud houses and into the mountains.
我们跟着他和他三个衣衫褴褛的朋友走出市场，经过最后的泥屋，走进山里。
That's how my day tracking human smugglers on the edge of a war-torn border turned into a day about a chicken.
就这样，我在饱受战争蹂躏的边境边缘追踪人口走私者的一天变成了与鸡有关的一天。
"What's with the chicken," I ask JD.
“鸡肉怎么了？”我问 JD。
And the answer is not what I expect.
而答案并不是我所期望的。
He tells me that Ali's old friend has been arrested and is in prison.
他告诉我阿里的老朋友被捕入狱了。
And Ali wants to spring him out.
阿里想把他赶出去。
But just in case things go wrong with the jail break, Ali has bought his friend a magic amulet called a taweez.
但为了防止越狱过程中出现问题，阿里给他的朋友买了一个叫做塔维兹的魔法护身符。
The taweez is supposed to protect whoever wears it from bullets.
塔威兹应该可以保护佩戴它的人免受子弹伤害。
Before he gives it to his friend, he wants to test the taweez to see if it works, test it on the chicken.
在他把它送给他的朋友之前，他想测试一下塔威兹，看看它是否有效，在鸡上测试一下。
"Wait," I say, "we're going to put the magic amulet on the chicken, and then shoot the chicken to see if it's invincible?" "Yeah," JD says, "these guys take religion really seriously."
“等等，”我说，“我们要把魔法护身符戴在鸡身上，然后射杀鸡，看看它是否无敌？” “是的，”JD 说，“这些人非常认真地对待宗教。”
We walk up into the mountains.
我们步行进山。
And it's a beautiful morning, sun drenched rocks, dark caves, dry spindly plants over everything.
这是一个美丽的早晨，阳光普照的岩石，黑暗的洞穴，一切都覆盖着干燥细长的植物。
The path is steep.
路很陡。
And Ali tells me that back when he was a smuggler, before he'd agree to bring someone through mountains like this, he wouldn't take just anybody.
阿里告诉我，当他还是一名走私犯时，在他同意带人穿越这样的山脉之前，他不会随便带任何人。
Actually, he'd screen them first for health problems.
事实上，他首先会对他们进行健康问题筛查。
Heart problem.
心脏问题。
Greg Warner If they had a heart problem, say.
格雷格·华纳（Greg Warner） 如果他们有心脏病，比如说。
Stomach problem.
胃有问题。
Greg Warner Stomach problem.
格雷格·华纳 胃有问题。
We have blood problem.
我们有血液问题。
Greg Warner Blood problem.
格雷格·华纳血液问题。
We know about all the dark things.
我们知道所有黑暗的事情。
We check the person at first.
我们首先检查这个人。
It seems oddly responsible behavior for a smuggler, though of course he didn't want to get stuck on the side of the mountain with a half-dead guy.
对于一个走私犯来说，这似乎是一种奇怪的负责任的行为，尽管他当然不想和一个半死不活的人一起被困在山边。
I ask Ali if he'd smuggle me.
我问阿里是否愿意偷偷带我去。
And he says, no. And then he starts to sing.
他说，不。然后他开始唱歌。
[ALI SINGING].
[阿里唱歌]。
Greg Warner And then he leaps on ahead over the rocks with his sack slung on his back like a one-eyed mountains sprite.
格雷格·华纳 然后他像一只独眼的山精灵一样，背着袋子，跳到前面的岩石上。
[ALI SINGING] Greg Warner After an hour or two, we stop in a little valley with a clump of bushes nearby.
[ALI SINGING] Greg Warner 一两个小时后，我们停在一个小山谷里，附近有一丛灌木。
Ali puts down the sack.
阿里放下麻袋。
And from his shirt pocket he pulls out the amulet, the taweez.
他从衬衫口袋里拿出护身符，塔维兹。
The belief in a taweez is older than Islam.
对塔威兹的信仰比伊斯兰教还要古老。
Only in remote, superstitious corners of the world like this do the mullahs deal in this kind of magic.
只有在世界上像这样偏远、迷信的角落，毛拉才会从事这种魔法。
Ali got this one from a mullah.
阿里从一位毛拉那里得到了这个。
It's nothing fancy, a white scroll the size of a piece of chalk.
这没什么奇特的，只是一块粉笔大小的白色卷轴。
Ali wraps it in blue plastic and ties it to the chicken's neck.
阿里用蓝色塑料包裹它，并将其绑在鸡的脖子上。
The effect does not seem particularly magical.
效果看起来并没有特别神奇。
Basically, it looks like a chicken with some garbage tied to its head.
基本上，它看起来就像一只头上绑着一些垃圾的鸡。
But for the experiment it'll do.
但对于实验来说它就可以了。
Ali picks up the bird with both hands, sets it down in some dirt in front of a bush, not too far away either.
阿里用双手抱起那只鸟，把它放在距离不远的灌木丛前的泥土里。
Imagine a tennis court.
想象一下一个网球场。
If you're standing at the baseline, the chicken is about where the net would be.
如果你站在底线，小鸡就在网的位置。
And then Ali pulls out a handgun from the waistband of his pants.
然后阿里从裤腰带里掏出一把手枪。
The gun is old looking and blackened with use.
这把枪看起来很旧，并且因使用而变黑。
And then his three friends pull out their guns.
然后他的三个朋友拔出了枪。
And there is a lot of loading, and cocking, and gun prep.
还有大量的装填、待击炮和火炮准备工作。
Ali stands up tall.
阿里站得很高。
And Ali is tall for an Afghan, about six feet.
对于阿富汗人来说，阿里的身高大约有六英尺。
He holds the gun out with both hands, aims with his one eye, [GUNSHOT] and nothing happens.
他双手举起枪，用一只眼睛瞄准，[枪声]但什么也没发生。
The next shot [GUNSHOT] hits the dirt right by the chicken's foot, pings up like in the movies.
下一个镜头[枪声]击中了鸡脚附近的泥土，像电影中一样发出叮当声。
It's really close.
真的很接近。
And then Ali lifts his gun a third time.
然后阿里第三次举起了枪。
And there's just a click.
只需点击一下即可。
And another click, click.
再一次点击，点击。
"It's jammed," Ali says.
“卡住了，”阿里说。
"This never happened before." For a moment, we all take this in.
“这以前从未发生过。”有一瞬间，我们都接受了这一点。
Then JD says, "Are you sure?" And he says, "Yeah, I use this gun to kill rabbits." And JD says, "Rabbits?" And Ali says, "Yeah, rabbits." And JD says, "You know the Marines shoot that gun with one hand." And Ali says, "Yeah no, this gun, you have to shoot with two hands." And JD says again, "Well the Marines told me--" And Ali cuts him off saying, "Hey, how much are the Americans spending on the Marines?" And JD takes the hint, and he drops the subject.
然后 JD 说：“你确定吗？”他说：“是的，我用这把枪来杀兔子。” JD 说：“兔子？”阿里说：“是的，兔子。” JD 说：“你知道海军陆战队用一只手射击那把枪。”阿里说：“是的，不，这把枪，你必须用两只手射击。” JD 又说，“嗯，海军陆战队告诉我——”阿里打断了他的话，“嘿，美国人在海军陆战队上花了多少钱？” JD 明白了暗示，就放弃了这个话题。
And then Ali takes his whole gun apart, laying out the pieces on a flat rock.
然后阿里把他的整把枪拆开，把碎片放在一块平坦的岩石上。
And all this takes a couple of minutes.
而这一切都需要几分钟的时间。
Meanwhile, the chicken just sits and waits.
与此同时，鸡只是坐着等待。
And I'm going to go out on a limb here on the radio and say that most of sentient creatures caught in gunfire would run.
我要在广播中大胆地说，大多数陷入枪林弹雨的有知觉的生物都会逃跑。
And I'm sending little thought waves to the chicken, like, run, run.
我向鸡发送一些思想波，比如，跑，跑。
And this chicken is so just completely overconfident in this taweez.
这只鸡对这个塔威兹完全过于自信了。
I say, maybe it's magic.
我说，也许这就是魔法。
And Ali just shakes his head like I'm crazy, like I'm the gullible one to believe too quickly in this taweez.
阿里只是摇摇头，好像我疯了一样，好像我是个容易上当受骗的人，过早地相信了这个塔维兹。
We haven't finished our test.
我们还没有完成测试。
Maybe it made the gun jam, but Ali's got to be sure.
也许这让枪卡住了，但阿里必须确定。
If he's going to give this to his best friend, he's got to know it works.
如果他要把这个送给他最好的朋友，他就必须知道它有效。
[INAUDIBLE] Greg Warner Finally, Ali fixes whatever was wrong with the gun.
[听不清]格雷格·华纳 最后，阿里修复了枪的所有问题。
The spring got caught on something.
春天被什么东西缠住了。
He doesn't know why.
他不知道为什么。
He reassembles the gun, and then he fires again.
他重新组装好枪，然后再次开火。
[GUNSHOT] And then he fires a fourth time.
[枪声] 然后他第四次开枪。
[GUNSHOT]
[枪声]
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Greg Warner And the chicken is still not dead.
[说外语] Greg Warner 鸡还没有死。
And Ali looks surprised.
阿里看起来很惊讶。
"How is this possible," he says.
“这怎么可能，”他说。
"I still haven't hit it.
“我还没打到呢。
Really, how is this possible?"
真是的，这怎么可能？”
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Greg Warner Next, Ali's friends each take their turn.
[说外语] Greg Warner 接下来，阿里的朋友们轮流发言。
[GUNSHOTS] That's three more misses.
[枪声] 还有 3 次未命中。
Ali shoots one last time, [GUNSHOT] and again it pings in the dirt.
阿里最后一枪，[枪声]，枪声再次落在泥土中。
Ali puts the gun down, and he asks how many bullets we've shot.
阿里放下枪，他问我们射了多少颗子弹。
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Greg Warner "OK," he tells everybody, "the thing works." He doesn't say it in a praise God in his infinite wisdom kind of way.
[说外语]格雷格·沃纳（Greg Warner）“好吧，”他告诉大家，“这东西有效。”他这么说并不是为了赞美上帝无限的智慧。
He says it like a mechanic closing the hood of a car.
他说得就像机械师关闭汽车引擎盖一样。
OK, it works.
好的，它有效。
And then JD says, "Can I shoot one?" And Ali shrugs, like, sure, let the kid have a go.
然后 JD 说：“我可以开枪吗？”阿里耸耸肩，说，当然，让这孩子试试吧。
And he hands him his gun.
然后他把枪递给了他。
And JD lifts the gun with one hand like the Marines taught him, straight out in front.
JD 就像海军陆战队教他的那样，用一只手举起枪，笔直地放在前面。
And he aims.
他的目标是。
And he squeezes off a shot.
他挤出一枪。
[GUNSHOT]
[枪声]
And all of a sudden, it looks like some invisible hand came and painted one of the chicken's feathers bright red.
突然，好像有一只无形的手来了，把鸡的一根羽毛涂成了鲜红色。
And then that red spot gets bigger.
然后那个红点就变大了。
We all look at Ali.
我们都看向阿里。
No one moves, not even the chicken, and it's bleeding.
没有人动，连鸡也没有动，而且还在流血。
We watch Ali pull out his pocket knife.
我们看着阿里掏出他的小刀。
He strides with long steps over to the chicken, not happy at all.
他大步走向鸡，一点也不高兴。
He grabs the chicken by the head and cuts through the blue plastic around its neck with one slice.
他抓住鸡头，用一片切开鸡脖子上的蓝色塑料。
Then he fishes out the taweez , and he chucks it into a bush.
然后他把塔威兹捞出来，扔进灌木丛里。
With the next stroke, he slices off the chicken's head.
下一击，他切下了鸡头。
Later, JD tells me that Ali spent $1,700 on that little scroll.
后来京东告诉我，阿里花了1700美元买了那个小卷轴。
But right now, JD is excited.
但现在，JD很兴奋。
He's saying, "Where did it hit?
他说：“它击中了哪里？
Where did I hit him?" And Ali says, "The chest.
我哪里打到他了？”阿里说：“胸部。
You hit it in the chest." He digs out the bullet with his knife.
你击中了胸部。”他用刀挖出了子弹。
And he says, "This bullet is come from the US government." And I'm not sure exactly what he meant by that.
他说：“这颗子弹来自美国政府。”我不确定他的意思到底是什么。
But it didn't sound good.
但听起来不太好。
JD, on the other hand, is doing a happy dance, still holding the gun.
而JD则拿着枪，正在跳着快乐的舞蹈。
And then JD starts laughing.
然后JD开始笑。
Then he says, "Look, he has eaten the heart."
然后他说：“看，他把心吃了。”
Anyway, after that, there isn't much to do but eat the chicken the regular way.
无论如何，在那之后，除了照常吃鸡肉之外，没有什么可做的。
We gather brush wood, make a fire in the mouth of the cave, stick the chicken on a stick, and roast it, extra crunchy.
我们收集灌木丛，在洞口生火，把鸡肉挂在棍子上，然后烤得特别脆。
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Greg Warner Then Ali chats with guys, like he's trying to forget the whole thing.
[说外语]格雷格·华纳 然后阿里和其他人聊天，就像他试图忘记整件事一样。
They don't talk about amulets, or guns, or Marines.
他们不谈论护身符、枪支或海军陆战队。
Most of the lunch he just makes fun of me.
午餐的大部分时间他只是取笑我。
"Look, he's skinnier than I am," he says.
“看，他比我瘦，”他说。
"He's so skinny, he'll be dead in 15 days." "Look at him," he says.
“他太瘦了，15天后就会死。” “看看他，”他说。
"He eats too fast."
“他吃得太快了。”
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Greg Warner Sitting here in this cave, we can see out for miles.
[说外语]格雷格·华纳 坐在这个山洞里，我们可以看到几英里之外。
And all up and down the hills there are other clumps of men in robes like us, also sitting around fires cooking lunch, like it has probably been for centuries.
山上山下还有其他一群群像我们一样穿着长袍的男人，也围坐在火边做饭，就像几个世纪以来的情况一样。
It's hard to explain, but out here it's easy to feel like this is all there is and all there ever will be.
这很难解释，但在这里，很容易感觉这就是一切，并且永远都会如此。
And Ali's risen up about as high as you can in this world.
阿里已经达到了这个世界上最高的高度。
He went from poor mountain boy, an orphan in a tiny village, to mafia don.
他从一个贫穷的山里男孩、一个小村庄的孤儿，变成了黑手党老大。
And then, all of a sudden someone like JD shows up.
然后，像JD这样的人突然出现了。
And that world doesn't seem like all there is anymore.
而那个世界似乎不再是全部了。
It's like you start your morning on a mystical pilgrimage with a magic amulet to rescue your best friend.
这就像您带着魔法护身符开始神秘的朝圣之旅，以营救您最好的朋友。
And then, by the end of the afternoon, you learn it wasn't about magic at all.
然后，到下午结束时，你发现这根本与魔法无关。
It was just a game of shoot the chicken-- a really expensive game of shoot the chicken-- that you lost to a cocky 23 year old who works with the Americans.
这只是一场射鸡游戏——一场非常昂贵的射鸡游戏——你输给了一个为美国人工作的骄傲的 23 岁年轻人。
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Ira Glass Gregory Warner is a reporter based in Philadelphia.
[说外语] Ira Glass Gregory Warner 是费城的一名记者。
Act Two, Winged Migration.
第二幕，有翼迁徙。
Kathie Russo So it was Saturday, January 10, 2004.
凯西·罗素 那是 2004 年 1 月 10 日星期六。
And Spalding was in our apartment in New York with our daughter, Marissa, who was 16 at the time, and Theo, who was six.
斯伯丁和当时 16 岁的女儿玛丽莎以及六岁的西奥一起住在我们位于纽约的公寓里。
This is Kathie Russo.
这是凯西·罗素。
Her husband was Spalding Gray, who is best known for delivering monologues on stage like "Monster in a Box" and "Swimming to Cambodia." Both those monologues were also filmed as movies.
她的丈夫是斯伯丁·格雷（Spalding Gray），他以在舞台上发表独白而闻名，例如“盒子里的怪物”和“游到柬埔寨”。这两段独白也被拍成电影。
Spalding Gray went missing on January 10, 2004.
斯伯丁·格雷于 2004 年 1 月 10 日失踪。
Witnesses say they saw him on the Staten Island Ferry that night.
目击者称，那天晚上他们在史泰登岛渡轮上看到了他。
His body was finally found, pulled out of the East River two months later.
两个月后，他的尸体终于被发现，并被从东河中打捞出来。
Our show today is about birds and the supernatural.
我们今天的节目是关于鸟类和超自然现象的。
And Kathie Russo tells this story about that last night and the days immediately after it.
凯西·罗素 (Kathie Russo) 讲述了昨晚以及之后几天的故事。
As she said, her husband was with two of their kids that night.
正如她所说，那天晚上她的丈夫和他们的两个孩子在一起。
She was out that night.
那天晚上她出去了。
They have a third child, Forrest, who was 11 at the time.
他们有第三个孩子，福雷斯特，当时 11 岁。
He was in Sag Harbor, Long Island with friends and a babysitter.
他与朋友和保姆一起在长岛萨格港。
They had a house out there too.
他们在那里也有一所房子。
Spalding had dinner with the kids.
斯伯丁和孩子们共进晚餐。
And then it got to be about 7:00 PM.
然后时间就到了晚上 7:00 左右。
He said he was going to meet an old friend.
他说他要去见一位老朋友。
And Marissa goes, "Oh that's fine.
玛丽莎说：“哦，那好吧。
You know I'm here.
你知道我在这里。
I can watch Theo." And he went out.
我可以看西奥。”然后他就出去了。
And about an hour and a half after that, he called to check in on the kids.
大约一个半小时后，他打电话来查看孩子们的情况。
Theo answered.
西奥回答道。
And he said, how's everything going?
他说，一切都好吗？
He goes, good.
他走了，很好。
He goes, well, I love you very much.
他说，好吧，我非常爱你。
And I'll be home soon.
我很快就会回家。
And we never saw Spalding again.
我们再也没有见过斯伯丁。
The next series of events still seem like a blur to me, even five years later.
即使五年后，接下来发生的一系列事件对我来说仍然很模糊。
But the first thing I had to do was go report Spalding missing.
但我要做的第一件事就是去报告斯伯丁失踪。
I did that.
我就是这么做的。
And then I decided to send the kids home, back to Sag Harbor to join their brother.
然后我决定送孩子们回家，回到萨格港与他们的兄弟团聚。
So I stayed for two days, did whatever I could, which was pretty much nothing.
所以我呆了两天，尽我所能，但几乎什么也没做。
And after two days, I just decided I'm going back to Sag harbor to join all the kids.
两天后，我决定回到萨格港与所有孩子们一起。
So I'm driving on the Long Island Expressway back to Sag Harbor, and I get a phone call on my cell phone.
我正在沿着长岛高速公路返回萨格港时，我的手机接到了一个电话。
And it was Theo.
是西奥。
And he was all excited.
他很兴奋。
And he said, "Mom, Mom, we came home today from school.
他说：“妈妈，妈妈，我们今天放学回家了。
And there was a bird, a little bird flying around the island in the kitchen." I said, "And then what did you do next?" He said, "Well we followed the bird.
还有一只鸟，一只小鸟在厨房的岛上飞来飞去。”我说：“那你接下来做什么了？”他说：“好吧，我们跟着那只鸟。
And Marissa followed him into the bathroom.
玛丽莎跟着他走进了浴室。
And she tried to calm the bird.
她试图安抚这只鸟。
And she took a hat, and cupped it over the bird, and captured the bird, and went outside and let him out free."
她拿起一顶帽子，把它罩在鸟身上，抓住了鸟，然后走到外面，把他放了出来。”
And I was just so dumbfounded and awestruck.
我感到非常震惊和敬畏。
The first image that came to my head when he said that there was something-- a bird in particular-- circling over this island, was I thought of Spalding, and how for the last two years he had obsessively circled around that island talking to himself, just circling in total anguish.
当他说有东西——特别是一只鸟——在这个岛上空盘旋时，我脑海中浮现的第一个画面是我想到了斯伯丁，以及在过去的两年里他如何着迷地绕着那个岛盘旋，自言自语，完全痛苦地盘旋。
You see, two years before that, we had been in Ireland celebrating his 60th birthday.
你看，两年前，我们在爱尔兰庆祝他的 60 岁生日。
And the second day there, Spalding and I were in a horrible car accident.
在那里的第二天，斯伯丁和我遭遇了一场可怕的车祸。
Spalding suffered enormous head trauma.
斯伯丁头部遭受了巨大的创伤。
He was never the same.
他从来都不是一样的。
They actually had to put a titanium plate in his head.
他们实际上不得不在他的头上放一块钛板。
He was in and out of hospitals for two years after the accident.
事故发生后两年，他一直进出医院。
Doctors prescribed various cocktails of pills for him.
医生给他开了各种鸡尾酒药。
Nothing worked, not even the 20 electric shock treatments that he had.
没有任何效果，甚至他接受的 20 次电击治疗也没有效果。
And the second thought I had when I heard about the bird was, was this a message from Spalding?
当我听说这只鸟时，我的第二个想法是，这是来自斯伯丁的消息吗？
Was he trying to tell us something?
他是想告诉我们什么吗？
We've never had a bird in our house before.
我们家以前从来没有养过鸟。
And I remember the Irish have this saying that if you find a bird in your house after someone dies, and it's alive, the person's soul is free.
我记得爱尔兰人有这样一句话，如果有人死后你在家里发现一只鸟，而且它还活着，那么这个人的灵魂是自由的。
And if you find a dead bird, the person's soul is restless.
而如果发现一只死鸟，这个人的灵魂就会焦躁不安。
And I remember Spalding-- I'll never forget this story after his mother killed herself 35 years before.
我还记得斯伯丁——我永远不会忘记他母亲 35 年前自杀后的这个故事。
His father woke up the very next day.
第二天，他的父亲就醒了。
And next to his bed, where his slippers were on the floor, was a dead bird.
在他的床边，他的拖鞋放在地板上，有一只死鸟。
And that story just stayed with me.
这个故事一直萦绕在我心头。
So that night after the kids went to bed, I went around the house.
所以那天晚上，孩子们上床睡觉后，我在房子里转了一圈。
And I was making sure that another bird could not get into this house, because I wasn't going to take the chance of another bird coming into the house and dying.
我要确保另一只鸟不能进入这所房子，因为我不会冒另一只鸟进入房子并死去的机会。
So I checked all the windows, and I closed all the fireplaces to make sure, to guarantee that there was no way a bird could come into our house.
所以我检查了所有的窗户，关闭了所有的壁炉，以确保鸟儿无法进入我们的房子。
And the next day I was at the dining room table reading the paper.
第二天，我在餐桌上看报纸。
And I looked up, and there was a bird across the table peering at me.
我抬头一看，桌子对面有一只鸟在凝视着我。
And I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.
我简直不敢相信我所看到的。
So I yell out to the kids, who are in the other room.
所以我对另一个房间里的孩子们大喊。
And they run in.
他们跑了进来。
And the bird takes off, and flies up the stairs.
鸟儿起飞了，飞上了楼梯。
And we all follow it.
我们都遵循它。
And it goes into what's our office.
它进入了我们的办公室。
And it's perched on top of this window.
它位于该窗口的顶部。
And I shut the door behind me.
我关上了身后的门。
And for some reason, I held out my hands, thinking the bird might magically come to my hands.
出于某种原因，我伸出了双手，想着那只鸟可能会神奇地来到我的手中。
And I go, "Spalding, it's OK.
我说：“斯伯丁，没关系。
You're safe now.
你现在安全了。
It's OK.
没关系。
Come to me."
到我这里来吧。”
And Forrest and Theo are on the other side of the door going, Mom, why are you calling the bird after dad?
福雷斯特和西奥在门的另一边问，妈妈，你为什么用爸爸的名字来称呼那只鸟？
And the bird just sat there staring at me.
那只鸟只是坐在那里盯着我。
And then it took off.
然后它起飞了。
And it flew over my hands.
它从我的手上飞过。
And in between the space in between the door and the floor, it scooted out, went past the boys, flew down the stairs-- and we had already opened up the kitchen doors-- and it flew out the kitchen doors.
在门和地板之间的空间里，它溜了出去，经过男孩们，飞下楼梯——我们已经打开了厨房门——它从厨房门飞了出去。
And it was safe.
而且很安全。
And it was gone.
然后它就消失了。
The next day, I'm in the kitchen.
第二天，我在厨房。
And Forrest calls out from the TV room.
福雷斯特从电视室里喊道。
He was watching cartoons.
他正在看动画片。
He goes, "Mom, the bird's back.
他说：“妈妈，鸟回来了。
It's at the end of the couch." So before I even go into the room, I open up the kitchen doors, just to make sure we have an exit for the bird.
它在沙发的尽头。”因此，在我进入房间之前，我会打开厨房门，以确保我们有一个适合鸟儿的出口。
And I run into the family room.
我跑进了家庭活动室。
And sure enough, there is the bird.
果然，那只鸟就在那里。
And it has become a drill now.
现在已经变成了演习。
This is the third consecutive day with the bird in our house.
这已经是这只鸟连续第三天出现在我们家了。
And we follow the bird around.
我们跟着那只鸟到处走。
And this time it goes through the living room, then it comes back into the kitchen.
这次它穿过客厅，然后又回到厨房。
And I actually got the camera out.
我真的把相机拿出来了。
And I took a picture of it.
我拍了一张照片。
And the bird flew out, just like that.
小鸟就这样飞了出去。
It was gone.
它消失了。
And two months later, they found Spalding's body in the East River.
两个月后，他们在东河发现了斯伯丁的尸体。
I think with suicide, in particular, it's a really hard death to digest.
我认为，尤其是自杀，这是一种很难消化的死亡。
There's a lot of guilt.
有很多罪恶感。
You go back and back.
你回去再回去。
And you get into that mode of, I should have done this.
当你进入那种模式时，我应该这样做。
I could have done that.
我本来可以这么做的。
It's a seesaw of guilt and forgiveness.
这是内疚和宽恕的跷跷板。
So last year was my 47th birthday.
去年是我 47 岁生日。
And I was feeling kind of blue.
我感觉有点忧郁。
And I was really missing Spalding.
我真的很想念斯伯丁。
And I went on this bike route that the two of us used to take together.
我沿着我们两个曾经一起走过的自行车路线骑行。
And it ends up by the water.
最后它就在水边。
And just before I got to the water, I saw this little, brownish gray bird sitting on the side of the road, just like the one that we had in our house.
就在我到达水边之前，我看到这只棕灰色的小鸟坐在路边，就像我们家里的鸟一样。
And I passed by it on my bike.
我骑着自行车经过它。
I ride pretty fast.
我骑得很快。
But something told me, go back.
但有件事告诉我，回去吧。
And I did.
我做到了。
And the bird was just sitting there.
那只鸟就坐在那里。
And I'd get up close to it, and it didn't fly away.
我靠近它，它并没有飞走。
So I figured the bird was hurt.
所以我认为这只鸟受伤了。
And I'm looking at the bird, crouching over it, and this jogger goes by me.
我蹲在鸟身上看着那只鸟，而这个慢跑者从我身边走过。
And he said, "Oh, that bird was there two hours ago when I started my run."
他说：“哦，两小时前我开始跑步时，那只鸟就在那儿了。”
So I raced back home on my bike.
于是我骑着自行车飞奔回家。
And I went into the house.
我走进屋子。
And I collected a shoe box.
我还收集了一个鞋盒。
And I filled it with grass and bird seed.
我在里面装满了草和鸟的种子。
I got some rubber gloves, and I drove back to where the bird was.
我戴了一些橡胶手套，然后开车回到那只鸟所在的地方。
And the bird was still there.
那只鸟还在那里。
It was about a mile from my house.
距离我家大约一英里。
And it's just looking up at me.
它只是抬头看着我。
So I thought it was really hurt.
所以我觉得真的很受伤。
And I tried to scoop it into the shoe box.
我试着把它舀进鞋盒里。
And it just gets up, looks at me, and flies away.
它就站起来，看着我，然后飞走了。
There's nothing wrong with it.
没有什么问题。
Wings were fine.
翅膀很好。
I saw it flying off into the distance.
我看见它飞向远方。
And I thought-- it just hit me like a ton of bricks right at that moment-- there was nothing I could do to save this innocent little bird, which, in the end, he was fine.
我想——那一刻我就像一吨重的砖头一样击中了我——我无能为力来拯救这只无辜的小鸟，但最终它没事。
He flew away.
他飞走了。
And there was nothing I could do to save Spalding.
我无能为力拯救斯伯丁。
Kathie Russo.
凯西·罗素.
Coming up, when men of God meet men of chickens.
即将到来，当神人遇见鸡人时。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week in our program, of course, we choose a theme, and bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，并为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today, as we enter the period between Thanksgiving and Christmas, the greatest poultry consumption time of the year in our country, we bring you our annual Poultry Slam.
今天，随着我们进入感恩节和圣诞节之间的时期，这是我国一年中家禽消费最多的时期，我们为您带来了一年一度的家禽大满贯。
Most years on our show that means stories about fowls of all kinds.
我们节目中的大多数年份都意味着有关各种鸟类的故事。
This year, we're devoting the hour to stories about birds and the supernatural.
今年，我们将花一小时来讲述有关鸟类和超自然现象的故事。
And specifically, most of these stories seem to be about chickens and God.
具体来说，这些故事大多数似乎都是关于鸡和上帝的。
We have arrived at act three of our program.
我们已经进入了计划的第三幕。
Act Three, A Pastor and his Flock.
第三幕，牧师和他的羊群。
Working in a poultry processing plant is probably one of the most unpleasant jobs you can have in this country.
在家禽加工厂工作可能是这个国家最不愉快的工作之一。
It's smelly, it's wet, it's dangerous.
它又臭又湿，很危险。
Workers get nicked and cut by small knives and scissors.
工人们被小刀和剪刀割伤。
They get carpal tunnel from making the same hand and arm motions over and over.
他们因一遍又一遍地做出相同的手和手臂动作而患上腕管症。
A recent Wake Forest University School of Medicine study of poultry workers found an astonishing 70% of the workers at one North Carolina plant said that they had gotten sick or injured in the previous year at their jobs.
维克森林大学医学院最近对家禽工人进行的一项研究发现，北卡罗来纳州一家工厂中有 70% 的工人表示他们在上一年的工作中生病或受伤，这一数字令人震惊。
The job pays badly too.
这份工作的报酬也很差。
And as a result, many of the people who do it are immigrants, Latinos mostly.
因此，许多这样做的人都是移民，其中大部分是拉丁裔。
It's also the biggest and fastest growing sector of the meat industry.
它也是肉类工业中规模最大、增长最快的部门。
Nearly a quarter million people work in poultry plants.
近 25 万人在家禽加工厂工作。
So you would think this would be a perfect industry for unionization.
所以你会认为这将是一个建立工会的完美行业。
But barely any poultry plants are represented by a union, especially in the South.
但几乎没有家禽加工厂有工会代表，特别是在南方。
And that's where the church comes in.
这就是教会发挥作用的地方。
The church, especially the Catholic Church, is one of the few institutions doing outreach to poultry workers, giving them space to meet, distributing information about workers' rights, speaking out about bad conditions.
教会，尤其是天主教会，是为数不多的向家禽工人进行外展活动的机构之一，为他们提供会面的空间，分发有关工人权利的信息，公开谈论恶劣的条件。
And sometimes organizers use the church to intervene with company management in a very, very personal way.
有时组织者利用教会以非常非常个人的方式干预公司管理层。
Sarah Koenig tells the story of one company called Case Farms and a plant they have in Morganton, North Carolina, in one of the least unionized states in the country.
萨拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 讲述了一家名为 Case Farms 的公司及其位于北卡罗来纳州摩根顿 (美国工会最少的州之一) 的工厂的故事。
Case Farms in Morganton has been something of a poster plant for labor problems.
摩根顿的凯斯农场一直是劳工问题的典型工厂。
Worker complaints there were so notorious, so widely publicized, they're partly what prompted the secretary of labor to announce in 1996 that he would investigate the poultry industry.
那里的工人投诉声名狼藉、广为人知，这在一定程度上促使劳工部长于 1996 年宣布将对家禽业进行调查。
"Sweatshop conditions," he said, "will not be tolerated."
他说：“血汗工厂的条件是不能容忍的。”
In 1995, three young workers got mad about conditions at Case Farms.
1995 年，三名年轻工人对凯斯农场的条件感到愤怒。
They were being denied bathroom breaks, they said.
他们说，他们被拒绝上厕所。
And the speed of the production line was dangerously fast.
而且生产线的速度快得危险。
They went to talk to a manager named Ken Wilson.
他们去和一位名叫肯·威尔逊的经理交谈。
He told them they either had to go back to work or leave the plant.
他告诉他们，要么必须回去工作，要么离开工厂。
When they didn't move, he had them arrested.
当他们一动不动时，他就把他们逮捕了。
"We had no choice but to do what we did," he told The Charlotte Observer .
“我们别无选择，只能做我们所做的事情，”他告诉《夏洛特观察家报》。
The workers responded by doing what poultry workers never do, voting in a union.
作为回应，工人们做了家禽工人从未做过的事情：在工会中投票。
The company fought that union for five years-- never giving it a contract-- until finally, in 2001, the union just pulled out.
该公司与该工会斗争了五年，从未给它一份合同，直到 2001 年，工会最终退出。
Four years later in 2005, the workers tried again.
四年后的 2005 年，工人们再次尝试。
And again, one of the central figures in the plant's anti-union campaign was Ken Wilson, the manager who called in the police in 1995.
工厂反工会运动的核心人物之一是经理肯·威尔逊 (Ken Wilson)，他于 1995 年报警。
He was director of human resources, but even more than that, he was the public face of the plant.
他是人力资源总监，但更重要的是，他是工厂的公众形象。
I've had an opportunity to meet with him at the plant itself when we were negotiating about the conditions.
当我们就条件进行谈判时，我有机会在工厂与他会面。
Francisco Risso is director of the Western North Carolina Workers' Center, which advocates for poultry workers.
弗朗西斯科·里索（Francisco Risso）是北卡罗来纳州西部工人中心的主任，该中心为家禽工人提供支持。
And I think the last meeting was talking about why they shouldn't wage this anti-union campaign if the workers wanted to have a union.
我认为上次会议讨论的是如果工人想要成立工会，为什么他们不应该发起反工会运动。
But his position was very clear that the company would be willing to spend any amount of money to keep the union out.
但他的立场非常明确，公司愿意花任何钱来阻止工会介入。
Was is it overt, like he literally would say, "We are willing to spend any amount of money to keep this union out?" Or was it more oblique than that?
这是否是公开的，就像他字面上所说的那样，“我们愿意花任何钱来阻止这个工会？”或者比这更倾斜？
It was pretty overt like that.
这是相当公开的。
I would characterize it like what you just said.
我会像你刚才所说的那样描述它。
Believe or it not.
信不信由你。
Wow, so there was no reading between the lines.
哇，所以字里行间没有任何解读。
It was just--
这只是——
No, that's pretty much what he said.
不，他差不多就是这么说的。
We're ready to fight this until the end.
我们已经准备好与这个斗争到底。
When I reach Ken Wilson on the phone, he's just as direct with me as he was with Francisco.
当我通过电话联系肯·威尔逊时，他对我的态度就像对弗朗西斯科一样直接。
Here's what he thinks of labor unions.
以下是他对工会的看法。
"They're just a competing business.
“他们只是一个竞争企业。
To make money, they need members.
为了赚钱，他们需要会员。
And the way they get members is by convincing workers that they're being mistreated."
他们吸引会员的方式是让工人相信他们受到了虐待。”
So their job is to convince the employees that the company is doing something wrong.
所以他们的工作就是让员工相信公司做错了。
I personally feel that the company was looking out for the best interest of the employees.
我个人认为，公司是为了员工的最大利益着想。
We run a safe plant.
我们经营一家安全的工厂。
So we run a business.
所以我们经营一家企业。
They run a business.
他们经营一家企业。
And at the end of the day, we're going to do what's best for our business.
最终，我们将做对我们的业务最有利的事情。
Knowing Ken Wilson's attitude, Francisco turned to God.
了解到肯·威尔逊的态度后，弗朗西斯科转向上帝。
He pulled out a tactic that's being used with more and more frequency at workers' centers all over the country.
他采取了一种策略，该策略在全国各地的工人中心越来越频繁地使用。
Instead of just using the church to help organize the workers, he would use the church to try to get to management, to get to Ken Wilson.
他不只是利用教会来帮助组织工人，而是利用教会来试图接触管理层，接触肯·威尔逊。
A coalition of tomato pickers did it in south Florida in their fight against Taco Bell.
佛罗里达州南部的一个番茄采摘者联盟在与塔可钟的斗争中做到了这一点。
They enlisted the United Methodist Church.
他们加入了联合卫理公会。
The head of Taco Bell's parent company was a member.
塔可钟母公司的负责人是成员之一。
Cintas commercial laundry workers have done it.
Cintas 商业洗衣工已经做到了。
It was used at a candle making company in Arkansas.
它被用于阿肯色州的一家蜡烛制造公司。
In Texas, the Workers Defense Project has held prayer vigils outside employers' houses in their suburban neighborhoods.
在德克萨斯州，工人保护项目在郊区雇主的房屋外举行了守夜祈祷活动。
They even distributed flyers at an employer's church, telling his fellow congregants he was withholding pay from construction day laborers.
他们甚至在雇主的教堂分发传单，告诉他的教友，他扣留了建筑临时工的工资。
They got a restaurant owner's rabbi to intervene on behalf of workers who were being paid below minimum wage.
他们让一家餐馆老板的拉比代表工资低于最低工资的工人进行干预。
It might not sound like the toughest angle to take.
这听起来可能不是最难采取的角度。
But it's one of the last, best tools worker rights advocates have at this point, especially in states down south, where unions have so little influence.
但这是工人权利倡导者目前拥有的最后、最好的工具之一，特别是在工会影响力微乎其微的南部各州。
Instead of the usual demonstrations and legal challenges, they're playing the faith card, reminding bosses of their moral obligations to their employees.
他们没有进行通常的示威和法律挑战，而是打出信仰牌，提醒老板们对员工的道德义务。
One organizer told me it's more effective than calling in the lawyers.
一位组织者告诉我，这比请律师更有效。
But it doesn't always work, as Francisco discovered at Case Farms when he tried it himself just as the union vote was approaching.
但它并不总是有效，正如弗朗西斯科在凯斯农场亲自尝试时发现的那样，当时工会投票即将临近。
Somewhere around that time, I guess, we found out that he was a member of the local Episcopal church.
我想大约在那个时候，我们发现他是当地圣公会的成员。
My wife attended church there.
我的妻子去那里的教堂。
And so through her I knew the pastor there, the priest, Revered Walker.
因此，通过她，我认识了那里的牧师，牧师，受人尊敬的沃克。
And so I found out if he knew Ken, what the relationship was like.
所以我了解他是否认识肯，以及他们的关系如何。
And then I asked him if he would be willing to speak with Ken and talk about what the church says about workers and about how we're supposed to treat the poor.
然后我问他是否愿意与肯谈谈教会对工人的看法以及我们应该如何对待穷人。
Why did you think an appeal to his faith, or his belief in the Bible, or something would be more effective than a pocketbook argument?
为什么你认为诉诸他的信仰，或者他对圣经的信仰，或者其他什么比钱包争论更有效？
I think what I was hoping for was that he would be open to having a good discussion with the priest, and maybe to really faithfully reflect on what the situation was, and reflect on what the faith had to say about it.
我想我所希望的是他愿意与牧师进行良好的讨论，也许能够真正忠实地反思情况，并反思信仰对此的看法。
Not so much that he would be shamed into doing something, but that his heart would really be touched.
与其说他会羞于做某事，不如说他的心真的会被触动。
And he would see how he's supposed to act.
他会看看他应该如何行动。
Was it also partly that just, frankly, the pocketbook argument wasn't working?
坦率地说，是否也有部分原因是因为钱包的争论不起作用？
Yeah.
是的。
Sarah Koenig So from your point of view, it's like, well what else can you appeal to, really?
Sarah Koenig：所以从你的角度来看，你还能诉诸什么，真的吗？
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
I think that that's the basic-- that's the kind of thing that if we had anything in common with our enemy, with our adversary in this, that it was that, that you have a shared, proclaimed faith.
我认为这是基本的——如果我们与我们的敌人、我们的对手在这方面有什么共同点的话，那就是你们有一个共同的、公开的信仰。
My name is Bruce Walker, and I am rector of Grace Episcopal Church in Morganton, North Carolina.
我叫布鲁斯·沃克，是北卡罗来纳州摩根顿恩典圣公会教堂的牧师。
Bruce Walker had come to town three years earlier knowing nothing of Case Farms or the problems there.
布鲁斯·沃克三年前来到镇上，对凯斯农场或那里的问题一无所知。
No more than one or two Case Farms workers attended his church, which was mostly white and middle class.
参加他教堂的凯斯农场工人不超过一两名，教堂里大部分是白人和中产阶级。
But Father Walker did know Ken Wilson.
但沃克神父确实认识肯·威尔逊。
And he thought he was a nice man.
他认为他是一个好人。
When one of Ken's co-workers was killed in a car accident, Ken had asked Father Walker to come to the plant and do some grief counseling.
当肯的一位同事在车祸中丧生时，肯请沃克神父来工厂做一些悲伤咨询。
And it had gone well.
一切进展顺利。
Through Francisco though, Father Walker was learning about the safety complaints at Case Farms.
不过，沃克神父通过弗朗西斯科了解了凯斯农场的安全投诉。
And he was sympathetic.
他很有同情心。
Then Francisco asked him to come to the plant on the day of the union vote to talk to Ken.
然后弗朗西斯科要求他在工会投票当天到工厂与肯交谈。
Father Walker was a little hesitant at first.
沃克神父一开始有点犹豫。
I wasn't naive.
我并不天真。
I knew that doing that, the possibility of it not going well, turning out well, was there.
我知道这样做，有可能进展不顺利，结果也可能会很好。
And there would be the possibility of alienation down the road.
未来还有疏远的可能性。
And I didn't want that.
我不想那样。
And when I went that morning, it was pretty early.
那天早上我去的时候，时间还很早。
I saw Francisco.
我看到弗朗西斯科.
He introduced me to some of his co-workers and friends.
他向我介绍了他的一些同事和朋友。
And I did see Ken there.
我确实在那里看到了肯。
And I went over and spoke to Ken, and told him I was there to be supportive of this process.
我走过去和肯交谈，告诉他我会支持这个过程。
And I did suggest to him that if I could be helpful in mediation, I would be glad to do that.
我确实向他建议，如果我能在调解方面提供帮助，我会很乐意这样做。
And he had told me before that he was interested too in the rights of the workers and their safety.
他之前告诉我，他也对工人的权利及其安全感兴趣。
And I told Ken, I said, I don't see there's any difference in that idea.
我告诉肯，我说，我不认为这个想法有什么不同。
I think everybody here wants the workers to have a safe place.
我想这里的每个人都希望工人有一个安全的地方。
I don't know that we have the same road or the same method of doing that.
我不知道我们是否有相同的道路或相同的方法。
But he listened.
但他听了。
And he was nice enough with me.
他对我很好。
But I could tell he was flush.
但我看得出来他脸红了。
All the signs were there that I 'd stepped into it big time.
所有的迹象都表明我已经踏入了这一步。
I got the distinct feeling that he wished I had not been there that day.
我明显感觉到他希望我那天不在场。
I was walking out the front door of our plant, going across the street.
我走出我们工厂的前门，穿过马路。
We have another small office across the street.
我们在街对面还有另一个小办公室。
Ken Wilson remembers the whole thing a little differently.
肯·威尔逊对整件事的记忆有些不同。
It was a more casual meeting.
这是一次比较随意的会议。
And he was walking down the street.
他正走在街上。
And we just happened to run into one another.
而我们只是碰巧遇到了彼此。
Oh yeah.
哦，是的。
Sarah Koenig Ken also remembers their conversation a little differently.
莎拉·科尼格·肯 (Sarah Koenig Ken) 对他们的谈话的记忆也略有不同。
He says Father Walker told him he had mixed feelings about being there that day, since he had parishioners on both sides of the union issue, Ken and another guy.
他说沃克神父告诉他，那天他的心情很复杂，因为他的教区居民支持工会问题，肯和另一个人。
And that he was there to support both of them.
他在那里支持他们俩。
He said that he would be willing to mediate or to do what he could to bring the groups together.
他表示，他愿意进行调解或尽其所能使这些团体团结起来。
And of course I explained to him that it was an election.
当然，我向他解释说这是一次选举。
And in an election, you would have a winner and a loser.
在选举中，会有赢家和输家。
And at the end of the day, it would be left up to our employees to make that decision.
最终，将由我们的员工做出决定。
It's not so much what Father Walker said that day that bothered Ken.
沃克神父那天所说的话并没有让肯感到困扰。
It's how the whole thing looked.
整个事情看起来就是这样。
Under the circumstances, I would rather that he not had been there.
在这种情况下，我宁愿他不在场。
But I guess the only word that would describe it would be disappointed.
但我想唯一能形容它的词就是失望。
His presence.
他的存在。
Sarah Koenig Did you read it as in support of the of the union?
莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig） 您是否将其视为对工会的支持？
I would think from anyone else's perspective, they probably would have felt so, yes.
我想从其他人的角度来看，他们可能会有这样的感觉，是的。
Oh, you're saying that the way it looked was as if your priest had come in favor of the union.
哦，你是说，看起来好像你的牧师支持工会。
Exactly.
确切地。
Sarah Koenig I see.
莎拉·柯尼格 我明白了。
It doesn't look great for for a manager's priest to be showing up.
经理的牧师出现似乎不太好。
[LAUGHING] Kind of a poor reflection on the manager, isn't it?
[笑] 这对经理来说是一种糟糕的反映，不是吗？
Maybe I should up my tithe, don't you think?
也许我应该增加我的什一税，你不觉得吗？
Did you say up your tithe?
你说你的什一税了吗？
Ken Wilson Yeah.
肯·威尔逊 是的。
Yeah, right.
是的，对。
Well precisely, precisely.
嗯，准确地说，准确地说。
Do you think the church-- is there a Christian argument to be made that, look we need to fight for the poor and for human rights.
你认为教会——是否有基督教的论点可以提出，我们需要为穷人和人权而战。
And we need to be involved with this stuff.
我们需要参与这些事情。
And it is our place to show up and do this work?
这是我们出现并完成这项工作的地方吗？
The church has a right to do as it sees fit.
教会有权做它认为合适的事情。
My only request from any church group is to make sure they get all their facts before they take a position.
我对任何教会团体的唯一要求是确保他们在采取立场之前了解所有事实。
From Ken's perspective, the facts were these.
从肯的角度来看，事实就是这样。
The workers voted to keep the union out that day, 296 to 225.
当天，工人们以 296 比 225 投票决定将工会排除在外。
From the perspective of those who wanted the union though, the no vote was the result of a long and intimidating anti-union campaign.
然而，从那些希望成立工会的人的角度来看，反对票是长期且令人生畏的反工会运动的结果。
Father Walker says his relationship with Ken Wilson pretty much ended that same day.
沃克神父说，他与肯·威尔逊的关系几乎在同一天就结束了。
He got the feeling that Ken just didn't think it was any of his business.
他有一种感觉，肯认为这不关他的事。
Here's Father Walker.
这是沃克神父。
Perhaps he felt that my role was about more traditional things, like conducting worship on Sunday morning and visiting the sick.
也许他觉得我的角色是关于更传统的事情，比如周日早上进行礼拜和探望病人。
And as far as engaging in anything that was involved in injustice, that I was out of my realm.
至于参与任何涉及不公正的事情，我超出了我的范围。
That's the feeling I got.
这就是我的感觉。
And that's more of a feeling.
这更多的是一种感觉。
And I think he alluded to kind of, what are you doing here?
我想他是在暗示，你在这里做什么？
This isn't where you should be.
这不是你应该在的地方。
But I see just the opposite.
但我的看法恰恰相反。
I think that's the way a lot of people feel these days about clergy.
我想这就是现在很多人对神职人员的看法。
But at the same time, as a Christian I look at Jesus as an example of what we're to be about.
但与此同时，作为一名基督徒，我将耶稣视为我们应该做的事情的榜样。
If you note through scripture, most of the time, Jesus is out on the road, so to speak, preaching from a mountaintop or by the seashore, out in the community going from one place to the next.
如果你通过圣经注意到，大多数时候，耶稣都在路上，可以这么说，从山顶或海边传道，在社区中从一个地方到另一个地方。
Rarely is he contained within a building.
他很少被关在建筑物内。
And maybe that's-- as people's guide, we need to be outside our confines, more out into the world.
也许这就是——作为人们的向导，我们需要走出自己的界限，更多地接触世界。
Ken Wilson says he doesn't remember quitting Grace Church exactly, at least not consciously.
肯·威尔逊说，他不记得自己到底退出了格雷斯教堂，至少不是有意识地退出。
But that's how it seemed to Father Walker.
但在沃克神父看来，情况就是如此。
He called Ken a couple of times after that, wrote him a reconciling note.
此后他给肯打了几次电话，给他写了一张和解信。
But he says he never really saw him back in church.
但他说他从未真正在教堂见过他。
In any case, about a year after the union vote, the Wilsons moved to the other side of the state, near Raleigh.
无论如何，在工会投票大约一年后，威尔逊一家搬到了该州的另一边，靠近罗利。
Did you-- afterwards, considering it didn't seem to actually go so well-- did you regret talking to him?
后来，考虑到事情实际上进展得不太顺利，你有没有后悔和他说话？
Did you regret taking that step?
你后悔迈出了这一步吗？
Maybe a little at first, but not now.
一开始可能有一点，但现在不行了。
And if I have a regret, probably it's that I didn't do more to be helpful in that situation.
如果我有遗憾的话，可能是我没有在那种情况下做更多的事情来提供帮助。
I didn't go back to him the next day or the following day, and say, we really need to talk.
第二天或后天我没有回去找他说，我们真的需要谈谈。
Or maybe get with Francisco again, and say, how are you feeling, and how can I help you more?
或者也许再次与弗朗西斯科联系，并说，你感觉怎么样，我可以为你提供更多帮助吗？
If I have any regrets, it's probably that I didn't do enough.
如果说我有什么遗憾的话，大概就是我做得还不够。
Francisco doesn't think Father Walker failed.
弗朗西斯科并不认为沃克神父失败了。
Maybe he didn't change Ken's mind that day.
也许那天他并没有改变肯的主意。
But who knows?
但谁知道呢？
In a year or two it could sink in.
一两年后，它可能会陷入困境。
The Case Farms fight is still going on.
凯斯农场之战仍在继续。
The workers haven't given up.
工人们还没有放弃。
They're still talking about unionizing.
他们还在谈论成立工会的事情。
Right now they say the company is trying to fire about 100 employees unfairly, including many experienced workers, in order to deny them benefits, or just get rid of people who tend to complain and organize.
目前他们表示，该公司正试图不公平地解雇大约 100 名员工，其中包括许多经验丰富的员工，目的是剥夺他们的福利，或者只是解雇那些喜欢抱怨和组织的人。
Francisco and a church deacon met with two newer managers at the plant recently to talk about the firings, but they didn't get anywhere.
弗朗西斯科和一名教堂执事最近会见了工厂的两名新经理，讨论了解雇问题，但没有取得任何进展。
So now Francisco is trying to find out where these managers go to church to see if their priests will talk to them.
因此，弗朗西斯科现在正试图找出这些经理去教堂的地方，看看他们的牧师是否会与他们交谈。
Workers at Case Farms are pretty pessimistic at the moment, Francisco says.
弗朗西斯科说，凯斯农场的工人们目前相当悲观。
And it's easy to see why.
原因很容易理解。
But he himself isn't.
但他本人却不是。
He believes people are basically good, which means the union-busting manager is always just a conversation away from conversion.
他相信人们本质上都是善良的，这意味着破坏工会的经理永远只是一次谈话就能改变信仰。
Christianity is full of examples like that, he says.
他说，基督教充满了这样的例子。
Think of Saul, who persecuted Christians until a vision of Jesus blinded him on the road to Damascus.
想想扫罗，他迫害基督徒，直到在前往大马士革的路上看到耶稣的异象使他失明。
After that, he was Paul the Apostle.
此后，他就是使徒保罗。
Sarah Koenig.
莎拉·科尼格.
She's one of the producers of our program.
她是我们节目的制作人之一。
Act Four, Twistery Mystery.
第四幕，扭曲之谜。
We now turn to Wayne Curtis, who has been puzzling over an unexplained phenomenon involving chickens, a riddle that is nearly two centuries old.
现在我们来谈谈韦恩·柯蒂斯，他一直对一种涉及鸡的无法解释的现象感到困惑，这个谜语已有近两个世纪的历史了。
I was researching tornadoes, leafing through 19th century newspaper accounts of the havoc they caused.
我正在研究龙卷风，翻阅 19 世纪报纸上关于龙卷风造成的破坏的报道。
And I found it was hard not to notice the sheer amount of poultry involved.
我发现很难不注意到所涉及的家禽数量之多。
It's mostly chickens, sometimes turkeys, rarely geese.
主要是鸡，有时是火鸡，很少有鹅。
The birds typically show up about 2/3 of the way into an article, after the description of entire barns being hoovered up into the sky, or bits of straw piercing a fence post.
在描述整个谷仓被吸到天空中或一些稻草刺穿栅栏柱之后，这些鸟通常会出现在文章中大约 2/3 的地方。
Sometimes whole flocks are ingested by the twister, and scattered lifelessly across the landscape like large snowflakes.
有时，整个羊群都会被龙卷风吞噬，像大雪花一样毫无生气地散落在大地上。
But more often it's just a few birds.
但更常见的是只有几只鸟。
And these often attract the attention of newspapers for one reason.
这些往往会引起报纸的关注，原因之一。
They're alive and clucking, but plucked cleaned as Butterballs.
它们还活着，咯咯地叫着，但被拔干净了，就像黄油球一样。
When I came upon the first reference to a tornado-plucked chicken, I jotted it down as a freak occurrence.
当我第一次看到一只被龙卷风拔毛的鸡时，我把它记下来，认为这是一件怪事。
But then I came across another, and another.
但后来我遇到了另一个，又一个。
It turns out newspapers are filled with dozens-- if not hundreds-- of similar reports of naked poultry.
事实证明，报纸上充斥着数十篇——如果不是数百篇——类似的关于裸禽的报道。
A few examples.
举几个例子。
Rhode Island 1838, chickens, quote, "were seen walking about in all their naked simplicity after the spout had passed on." Missouri 1877, quote, "feathers were blown from chickens." Iowa 1893, quote "chickens were found alive and completely stripped of their feathers." And the year 1878 was a notably harsh one for poultry.
1838年的罗德岛，引述说，“在水流过去后，人们看到鸡赤裸裸地走来走去。”引用 1877 年密苏里州的一句话：“鸡的羽毛被吹走了。”爱荷华州，1893 年，引用“发现鸡还活着，而且羽毛完全被剥光”。 1878 年对于家禽来说是极其艰难的一年。
In North Carolina, nearly 1,200 chickens were sucked into the sky and quote, "left free of feathers and ready for the stew pot."
在北卡罗来纳州，近 1,200 只鸡被吸上天空，并引述说：“没有羽毛，准备好炖锅了。”
If you were living in the 19th century and you wondered what a vengeful God looked like, a tornado would have been a pretty good representation.
如果你生活在 19 世纪，并且想知道复仇的上帝是什么样子，那么龙卷风就是一个很好的代表。
It had that whole finger of death thing going on, descending from the sky and randomly smiting and destroying.
它有一种死亡之指的感觉，从天而降，随机地攻击和破坏。
But this was a God given to occasional whimsy.
但这是一位偶尔会突发奇想的上帝。
The tornado would take a house and reduce it to splinters, but deposit a woman, still in a bathtub, atop a tree.
龙卷风会把一栋房子吹成碎片，但把一个仍在浴缸里的女人放在树顶上。
Or it would take a chicken, strip it of its feathers, and set it free.
或者它会抓住一只鸡，剥掉它的羽毛，然后将它释放。
In 1842, a pioneering meteorologist in Ohio named Elias Loomis decided that naked chickens were not just a curiosity but a key that would unlock the secrets of tornadoes.
1842 年，俄亥俄州一位名叫埃利亚斯·卢米斯 (Elias Loomis) 的先驱气象学家认为，裸鸡不仅是一种好奇心，而且是解开龙卷风秘密的钥匙。
At the time, virtually nothing was known about tornadoes, what caused them, how fast their winds could go, what was going on inside of them.
当时，人们对龙卷风几乎一无所知，也不知道龙卷风的成因、风速有多快、龙卷风内部发生了什么。
Loomis figured that if he could calculate the speed at which wind blew off a chicken's feathers, he would have the first scientific estimate of the wind speed inside a tornado.
卢米斯认为，如果他能计算出风吹走鸡羽毛的速度，他就能对龙卷风内的风速进行第一个科学估计。
So he loaded a freshly killed chicken into a six pound cannon, pointed the gun skyward, lit the fuse and stood back.
于是，他把一只刚宰杀的鸡装进一门六磅重的大炮，把枪指向天空，点燃导火线，然后退到一边。
The cannon roared.
大炮轰鸣。
The feathers soared to a height of 20 or 30 feet at a velocity Loomis estimated to be 341 miles per hour.
这些羽毛以卢米斯估计的每小时 341 英里的速度飙升到 20 或 30 英尺的高度。
He carefully examined the evidence and found the feathers had indeed been plucked clean.
他仔细检查了证据，发现羽毛确实被拔干净了。
The only problem was with the chicken.
唯一的问题是鸡肉。
It had been blown into small fragments quote, "only a part of which could be found," Loomis wrote.
卢米斯写道，它已被炸成小碎片，“只能找到其中的一部分”。
And so, no scientific conclusions could be drawn.
因此，无法得出任何科学结论。
Loomis didn't give up on chickens.
卢米斯并没有放弃养鸡。
He still believed they held some of the secrets to tornadoes.
他仍然相信他们掌握着龙卷风的一些秘密。
Another theory floating around was that the funnel of a tornado contained a pocket of astonishingly low barometric pressure.
另一种流行的理论是，龙卷风的漏斗中含有一个气压低得惊人的区域。
Maybe, Loomis thought, when a chicken was sucked into a tornado, the air in its hollow quills expanded so rapidly that the feathers basically exploded out of the chicken's skin.
卢米斯想，也许当一只鸡被卷入龙卷风时，其空心羽毛管中的空气膨胀得如此之快，以至于羽毛基本上从鸡的皮肤上炸了出来。
To test this, Loomis put dead chickens in vacuum jars, then sucked out the air.
为了测试这一点，卢米斯将死鸡放入真空罐中，然后吸出空气。
The experiment was no more conclusive than the cannon.
这个实验并不比大炮更有结论性。
The feathers remained unmoved, still attached to limp chickens.
羽毛一动不动，仍然附着在软弱的鸡身上。
What Loomis did next was excellent news for the chickens of Ohio.
卢米斯接下来所做的对于俄亥俄州的鸡来说是个好消息。
He abandoned the study of tornadoes, and went on to explore theories of the aurora borealis.
他放弃了龙卷风的研究，继续探索北极光的理论。
After that, weather researchers pretty much ignored poultry for more than a century.
此后的一个多世纪里，气象研究人员几乎忽视了家禽。
Then, in the 1970s, there was a minor eruption of renewed interest in tornado-plucked chickens.
然后，在 20 世纪 70 年代，人们对龙卷风拔毛鸡的兴趣再次小幅爆发。
In part, we can thank the Atomic Energy Commission for this.
在某种程度上，我们可以为此感谢原子能委员会。
They wanted to make sure that nuclear reactors were being designed to withstand the worst possible tornado.
他们希望确保核反应堆的设计能够承受最严重的龙卷风。
To do this, they assembled a team of civil engineers and meteorologists from Texas Tech to figure out what exactly that maximum possible tornado might be.
为此，他们组建了一支由德克萨斯理工大学的土木工程师和气象学家组成的团队，以弄清楚最大可能的龙卷风到底有多大。
The team decided that it would be prudent to chase down stray tornado myths-- no matter how bizarre-- to ensure that nothing inexplicable would slip by.
该团队认为，谨慎的做法是追查迷失的龙卷风神话——无论多么离奇——以确保不会有任何无法解释的事情溜走。
Where did the chickens fit in?
鸡在哪里适合？
One of the myths they set out to disprove was that tornadoes could produce bizarrely high wind speeds-- as much as 800 miles per hour-- and that it was these high wind speeds that removed feathers from chickens.
他们要反驳的一个神话是，龙卷风可以产生异常高的风速——高达每小时 800 英里——而正是这些高风速使鸡身上的羽毛脱落。
But the team quickly discarded this idea when they learned that chickens could start to lose their feathers in winds as little as 30 miles per hour.
但当研究小组得知鸡在时速只有 30 英里的风中就会开始失去羽毛时，他们很快就放弃了这个想法。
Then in 1975, an atmospheric scientist named Bernard Vonnegut-- the brother of writer Kurt Vonnegut-- introduced a new theory about why chickens lose their feathers during tornadoes, fear.
1975 年，一位名叫伯纳德·冯内古特（Bernard Vonnegut）的大气科学家（作家库尔特·冯内古特的弟弟）提出了一种新理论，解释为什么鸡会在龙卷风中失去羽毛，即恐惧。
In other words, when chickens got scared, their feathers loosened.
换句话说，当鸡受到惊吓时，它们的羽毛就会松动。
In a paper he published entitled "Chicken Plucking as Measure of Tornado Wind Speed," he said quote, "possibly this may be a mechanism for survival, leaving a predator with only a mouthful of feathers and permitting the bird to escape."
在他发表的一篇题为《用鸡拔毛来衡量龙卷风风速》的论文中，他引用道，“这可能是一种生存机制，让捕食者只剩下一口羽毛，让鸟儿逃脱。”
It was an elegant theory.
这是一个优雅的理论。
And it became a widely accepted answer to the historic question about de-feathered chickens.
这成为了对鸡脱毛这一历史性问题的广泛接受的答案。
As a theory, it has just one downside.
作为一种理论，它只有一个缺点。
There doesn't seem to be a single person in the business of studying poultry who finds it even vaguely plausible.
从事家禽研究的人似乎没有一个人认为这个说法有一点点道理。
Or I couldn't find them anyway.
或者我无论如何也找不到他们。
Wayne Kuenzel is with the Center of Excellence for Poultry Science at the University of Arkansas.
韦恩·库恩泽尔 (Wayne Kuenzel) 就职于阿肯色大学家禽科学卓越中心。
And he told me that the chicken industry has spent huge sums trying to figure out how to pluck chickens quickly and efficiently.
他告诉我，养鸡业花费了大量资金试图找出如何快速有效地拔毛的方法。
If all it took was a good fright, poultry processing plants would be filled with animatronic coyotes.
如果只是一次惊吓的话，家禽加工厂就会充满电子动画土狼。
Plus, he pointed out, from the perspective of evolution, it doesn't make much sense for a chicken to lose its flight feathers when trying to escape predators.
另外，他指出，从进化的角度来看，鸡在试图逃避捕食者时失去飞羽并没有多大意义。
So basically, we're back to where we were about 1840.
基本上，我们回到了 1840 年左右的状态。
We still don't know why some chickens ended up running around without their feathers after tornadoes.
我们仍然不知道为什么有些鸡在龙卷风过后会没有羽毛到处乱跑。
The naked chickens have had their encounter with science.
裸鸡与科学相遇了。
And the naked chickens have pretty much won.
裸鸡几乎赢了。
Wayne Curtis is a writer in New Orleans.
韦恩·柯蒂斯是新奥尔良的一位作家。
He is the author most recently of And a Bottle of Rum: A History of the New World in Ten Cocktails."
他最近是《一瓶朗姆酒：十种鸡尾酒的新世界历史》一书的作者。”
Act Five, Chicken Coop for the Soul.
第五幕，灵魂的鸡舍。
Shalom Auslander grew up as an Orthodox Jew, attending religious school in a community of Orthodox Jews.
沙洛姆·奥斯兰德 (Shalom Auslander) 作为一名正统犹太人长大，在正统犹太人社区的宗教学校上学。
And he has this story to end this show about supernatural forces and chickens.
他用这个故事来结束这部关于超自然力量和鸡的节目。
When Yankel Morgenstern died and went to heaven, he was surprised to find that God was a large chicken.
当扬克尔·摩根斯坦死后去了天堂，他惊讶地发现上帝是一只大鸡。
The chicken was about 30 feet tall and spoke perfect English.
这只鸡大约有 30 英尺高，能说一口流利的英语。
He stood before a glimmering, eternal coop made of chicken wire of shimmering gold.
他站在一座由闪闪发光的金色铁丝网制成的闪闪发光的永恒鸡笼前。
And behold, inside, a nest of diamonds.
看哪，里面有一窝钻石。
"No freaking way," said Morgenstern.
“没有什么奇怪的，”摩根斯特恩说。
"You know," said Chicken, "that's the first thing everyone says when they meet me.
“你知道，”鸡说，“这是每个人见到我时说的第一句话。
'No freaking way.' How does that make me feel?"
“没办法。”这让我感觉如何？”
Morgenstern threw himself at Chicken's feet, kissing his enormous, holy claws.
摩根斯坦扑倒在奇克的脚边，亲吻他巨大而神圣的爪子。
"Hear O Israel, the Lord is your God, the Lord is one," Morgenstern cried out.
“以色列啊，听着，主是你的神，主是独一的，”摩根斯坦喊道。
Chicken stepped back and shrugged.
鸡退后一步，耸耸肩。
"Eh," he said, bobbing his enormous head.
“呃，”他摇着巨大的头说道。
"What?" Asked Morgenstern.
“什么？”摩根斯坦问道。
"I don't know.
“我不知道。
What's that supposed to do for me?
那应该对我做什么？
Hear O Israel?" he asked.
以色列啊，你听到了吗？”他问道。
"How's it go again?" "It's Shema," Morgenstern said with hesitation, "The prayer.
“又怎么样了？” “是谢玛，”摩根斯坦犹豫地说，“祈祷。
We say it twice a day."
我们每天说两次。”
Chicken stomped around in a circle before settling down in his holy nest of nests.
鸡跺脚绕了一圈，然后在它神圣的巢穴里安顿下来。
"Yeah," he said, "I know.
“是的，”他说，“我知道。
I've been hearing it for years.
我已经听了很多年了。
Still not sure what it means though.
但仍然不确定这意味着什么。
Hero Israel.
英雄以色列。
Hero, like the sandwich?" "Not hero like the sandwich," snapped Morgenstern.
英雄，就像三明治一样？” “英雄不像三明治，”摩根斯特恩厉声说道。
He stood up, clutching his black felt hat in his hand.
他站了起来，手里抓着黑色毡帽。
"Hear O Israel.
“以色列啊，听吧。
It means that you are one, that you are the only, you know, God."
这意味着你是一体的，你是唯一的，你知道的，上帝。”
That last word didn't come easily.
最后一句话来之不易。
"Of course I am," said Chicken.
“我当然是，”小鸡说。
"Do you see any other chickens around here?
“你在这附近看到其他的鸡了吗？
Hey Gabe.
嘿加布。
Gabe," called Chicken.
加布，”小鸡喊道。
"Is it Hero Israel, like the sandwich, or Hear O Israel?"
“是像三明治一样的《英雄以色列》，还是《倾听以色列》？”
A stocky old man appeared from the clouds.
一名身材魁梧的老者从云端出现。
He wore a pair of dirty Carhartt overalls and smoked a cigarette.
他穿着一条脏兮兮的卡哈特工装裤，抽烟。
"It's hero like the sandwich sir.
“这是像三明治一样的英雄，先生。
You are quite correct." He turned his head sharply to Morgenstern.
你说得很对。”他猛地把头转向摩根斯特恩。
"Morgenstern?" he asked.
“摩根斯坦？”他问道。
"Yes." "Follow me." "Gabe," he said extending his hand to Morgenstern as they walked through the nothingness to the nowhere.
“是的。” “跟我来。” “加布，”当他们穿过虚无，走向茫茫荒野时，他向摩根斯特恩伸出了手。
"As in Gabriel, right?" asked Morgenstern.
“就像加百列一样，对吧？”摩根斯坦问道。
"Right," said Gabe.
“好吧，”加布说。
"I'm sort of the head ranch hand around here.
“我是这里的牧场主。
I make sure Chicken has enough feed and water.
我确保鸡有足够的饲料和水。
I clean his coop.
我打扫他的鸡舍。
You know, general maintenance." "Couldn't the Chicken just create his own food?" asked Morgenstern.
你知道，一般维护。” “鸡就不能自己创造食物吗？”摩根斯坦问。
"Not the Chicken," said Gabe, "just Chicken.
“不是鸡，”加布说，“只是鸡。
And no he can't create his own food.
不，他不能自己创造食物。
He's a chicken."
他是一只鸡。”
Morgenstern asked Gabe where he was taking him.
摩根斯坦问加布要带他去哪里。
"Nowhere," he said, "this is what we do here.
“没有任何地方，”他说，“这就是我们在这里所做的。
Wherever you go, there you are." "Christ," cried Morgenstern, "you're Buddhist.
无论你走到哪里，你都在那里。” “天哪，”摩根斯特恩喊道，“你是佛教徒。
Damn, I knew the Buddhists were right.
该死，我知道佛教徒是对的。
Always so happy and peaceful." "He's not a Buddhist," interrupted Gabe.
总是那么快乐和平静。” “他不是佛教徒，”加布打断道。
He paused to light a cigarette, Marlboro Reds.
他停下来点了一根香烟，红万宝路香烟。
"He's a chicken."
“他是一只鸡。”
"I need to go back to Earth," Morgenstern blurted out.
“我需要返回地球，”摩根斯特恩脱口而出。
"Earth, why?" Morgenstern turned to face Gabe.
“地球，为什么？”摩根斯坦转身面对加布。
"Let me tell them, Gabe.
“让我告诉他们，加布。
Please, let me tell my family, just my family, Gabe.
请让我告诉我的家人，只是我的家人，加布。
He's a chicken, not Hashem, the one true judge, not Adonai, the Lord Almighty.
他是一只鸡，而不是哈希姆，一位真正的法官，而不是阿多奈，全能之主。
Oh, the years I wasted.
哦，我浪费的岁月。
Let me tell them so they don't have to jump through the hoops I did, trying to please some maniacal father who art in heaven.
让我告诉他们，这样他们就不必像我一样，试图取悦某个在天堂艺术的疯狂父亲。
Nine children, Gabe.
九个孩子，加布。
Nine full, happy, worry-free lives they should have.
他们应该有九个充实、幸福、无忧的生活。
Let them drive on Saturday.
让他们周六开车。
Let them eat bacon.
让他们吃培根。
Let them get the lunch special at Red Lobster.
让他们在红龙虾餐厅享用特价午餐。
McDonald's, Gabe.
麦当劳，加布。
Do you have any of those fries up here?
你这里有薯条吗？
Do you?
你？
What does a hamburger with cheese taste like?
加了奶酪的汉堡是什么味道？
Please, let me tell them Gabe."
请让我告诉他们加布。”
Gabe took a long drag from his cigarette and shook his head.
加布深深地吸了一口烟，摇了摇头。
"They won't listen," he said.
“他们不会听，”他说。
"I've tried telling a few myself.
“我自己也尝试过告诉一些人。
But you want to go back to Earth?
但你想回到地球吗？
Go.
去。
Go back to Earth." Morgenstern hugged Gabe tightly.
滚回地球吧。”摩根斯坦紧紧地拥抱着加布。
"Don't you have to clear it with the Chicken?" "Not the Chicken," said Gabe.
“你不用和鸡一起解决这个问题吗？” “不是鸡，”加布说。
"Just Chicken.
“只是鸡。
And no, I don't.
不，我不。
Chicken doesn't care either way." He flicked his cigarette butt off to the side.
小鸡才不管呢。”他把烟头弹到一边。
He gets his feed in the morning, and his droppings cleaned in the afternoon, and that's all he really wants to know.
他早上得到饲料，下午清理粪便，这就是他真正想知道的。
I'll see you in a couple of years."
几年后我会见到你。”
Morgenstern awoke.
摩根斯坦醒了。
He rolled his head slowly to the side and saw his wife and daughter Hannah sitting at the table in the hospital room eating their dinner, chicken.
他慢慢地把头扭到一边，看到他的妻子和女儿汉娜坐在病房的桌子旁吃着晚餐，鸡肉。
"Don't eat," was all he could manage.
“别吃。”他只能这么说。
His wife jumped, startled at his sudden awakening.
他的妻子被他突然醒来吓了一跳。
"Bar Hashem," she clapped.
“巴尔·哈希姆，”她鼓掌道。
"Blessed is the Lord who makes miracles happen every day.
“主是值得称颂的，他每天都创造奇迹。
Don't shake your head, Yankel.
别摇头，扬克尔。
You have tubes in your nose.
你的鼻子里插着管子。
Hannah come quick.
汉娜快点来。
Your father is alive."
你父亲还活着。”
His daughter approached cautiously, holding a barbecued chicken drumstick in her hand.
女儿小心翼翼地靠近，手里拿着一只烤鸡腿。
"May Hashem grant you a full and speedy recovery," she mumbled in Yiddish while staring at her shoes.
“愿哈希姆保佑你早日康复。”她盯着自己的鞋子，用意第绪语咕哝道。
She spotted a piece of barbecued God on her blouse, picked it off with her fingers, and popped into her mouth.
她发现自己的衬衫上有一块烤上帝，用手指把它摘下来，塞进嘴里。
Morgenstern groaned and passed out.
摩根斯坦呻吟了一声，昏了过去。
Friday afternoon, he was back home in his very own bed.
星期五下午，他回到家，躺在自己的床上。
He had decided to put off telling his family about Chicken until he was out of the hospital.
他决定等到出院后再告诉家人有关“鸡”的事情。
He would tell him tonight as they gathered around the Sabbath table.
今晚当他们围坐在安息日餐桌旁时，他会告诉他。
He would speak to them the word of Chicken, and they would be freed, maybe jump in the car afterwards, catch a movie.
他会对他们说“鸡”的话，然后他们就会被释放，也许之后会跳进车里，看一场电影。
When the sun had finally set, and the Sabbath had finally arrived, Morgenstern pulled himself into his wheelchair, took a deep breath, and rolled himself into the dining room.
当太阳终于落山，安息日终于到来时，摩根斯特恩坐进轮椅，深吸了一口气，滚进了餐厅。
His wife had set the table with the good tablecloth, the good silverware, and the good glasses.
他的妻子为桌子摆好了桌布、银器和玻璃杯。
He watched her light the good Sabbath candles, covering her face with her hands and silently praying to a god who wasn't there.
他看着她点燃安息日的蜡烛，用手捂住脸，默默地向不存在的神祈祷。
"Please hear my blessings," she prayed to nobody.
“请听听我的祝福，”她向任何人祈祷。
She'd have had better luck with a handful of scratch, thought Morgenstern.
摩根斯特恩想，如果她有一点擦伤的话，她的运气会更好。
Maybe some cut up apple.
也许是一些切碎的苹果。
She turned to him with love in her eyes.
她转向他，眼里充满爱意。
"Got tsu danken," she said in Yiddish.
“Got tsu danken，”她用意第绪语说道。
"Thank God." She came to him, knelt beside his wheelchair, and hugged him.
“感谢上帝。”她走到他身边，跪在他的轮椅旁边，拥抱了他。
"I have to tell you something," he said.
“我必须告诉你一件事，”他说。
"I know," she sobbed into the good napkin.
“我知道，”她埋在好餐巾里抽泣着。
"I know." "I don't think you do."
“我知道。” “我认为你不会。”
He rolled away from her.
他从她身边滚开。
"When I was dead," said Morgenstern, "I met God." "We all meet God every day," said his wife, "if only we know where to look." "No, exclaimed Morgenstern, "you're not listening.
“当我死后，”摩根斯坦说，“我遇见了上帝。” “我们每天都会见到上帝，”他的妻子说，“只要我们知道去哪里寻找就好了。” “不，”摩根斯特恩喊道，“你没有在听。
How do you think I got back here?" he asked her.
你觉得我是怎么回到这里的？”他问她。
"Who else but the All-Merciful would send you back to me?" She replied.
“除了仁慈的上帝，还有谁会把你送回我身边呢？”她回答道。
He could take no more.
他再也受不了了。
"Who?" shouted Morgenstern as he wheeled himself around to the head of the table.
“谁？”摩根斯坦一边转到桌首，一边喊道。
"I'll tell you who."
“我来告诉你是谁。”
The loud voices attracted the children.
大声的声音吸引了孩子们。
And they gathered slowly around the Sabbath table.
他们慢慢地聚集在安息日的桌子周围。
"Let me tell you a little something about your All Knowing.
“让我告诉你一些关于你的全知的事情。
Let me tell you a little something about your All Merciful." Morgenstern looked from Shmuel to Yonah to Meyer to Rivka to Dovid to Hannah to Deena to Leah to little Yichezkel.
让我告诉你一些关于你的仁慈者的事。”摩根斯特恩的目光从什穆尔到约纳，到迈耶，到里夫卡，到多维德，到汉娜，到迪娜，到利亚，再到小伊切兹克尔。
The children were all showered, their hair neatly combed, and dressed in their finest Sabbath clothes.
孩子们都洗了澡，头发梳得整整齐齐，穿着最好的安息日服装。
She looked at his wife.
她看着他的妻子。
She was wearing his favorite wig.
她戴着他最喜欢的假发。
"Children," he began.
“孩子们，”他开始说道。
"God," he said, "is," he continued, "a," he added.
“上帝，”他说，“是，”他继续说，“是，”他补充道。
The light from the Sabbath candles flickered in the eyes of his children.
安息日蜡烛的光芒在孩子们的眼中闪烁。
Little Meyer was wearing a brand new yarmulke and couldn't stop fidgeting with it.
小迈耶戴着一顶全新的圆顶小帽，不停地摆弄它。
Shmuel held a handful of Torah notes from his rabbi he would read after the meal.
什穆尔手里拿着一把拉比写的托拉笔记，他会在饭后阅读。
And the girls would be looking forward to singing their favorite Sabbath songs.
女孩们会期待着唱她们最喜欢的安息日歌曲。
"God is a what?" Asked little Hannah.
“神是什么？”小汉娜问道。
He couldn't do it.
他做不到。
"God," Morgenstern said to his children, "is a merciful God." His wife came to his side.
“上帝，”摩根斯坦对他的孩子们说，“是一位仁慈的上帝。”他的妻子来到了他的身边。
"He is the God of our forefathers," he continued.
“他是我们祖先的上帝，”他继续说道。
"Blessed is God, who in his mercy restores life to the dead." The children cheered.
“上帝是有福的，他凭着他的仁慈使死者复活。”孩子们欢呼起来。
Morgenstern closed his eyes and hugged his children tightly.
摩根斯坦闭上眼睛，紧紧地拥抱着他的孩子们。
His wife bent over and kissed him gently on his forehead.
他的妻子弯下腰，轻轻地在他的额头上吻了一下。
"May his kindness shine down on us forever," she whispered.
“愿他的仁慈永远照耀我们。”她低声说道。
She smiled then, went into the kitchen, and brought out the soup.
她笑了笑，走进厨房，把汤端了出来。
Chicken.
鸡。
Shalom Auslander.
沙洛姆·奥斯兰德.
This story first appeared in his book, "Beware of God."
这个故事首次出现在他的书《当心上帝》中。
Well our program was produced today by Sarah Koenig and myself with Alex Blumberg, Jane Feltes, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Sarah Koenig 和我本人以及 Alex Blumberg、Jane Feltes、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help from [?
来自 [?的生产帮助
PJ Vote ?] and Aaron Scott.
PJ 投票？] 和亚伦·斯科特。
Seth Lind is our production manager.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的生产经理。
Music help from Jessica Hopper.
杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia.
我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对我们的项目进行 WBEZ 管理监督。
And call him sentimental, call him crazy, every Thanksgiving he does the same thing.
说他多愁善感，说他疯了，每个感恩节他都会做同样的事情。
Take a chicken, strip it of its feathers, and set it free.
拿一只鸡，剥掉它的羽毛，然后把它放生。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American life.
下周我们将带来更多有关“美国生活”的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。