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Prologue Man 1 Thank you, Senator Arlen Specter.

Prologue Man 1 谢谢你，阿伦·斯佩克特参议员。

Just a great guy.

只是一个很棒的人。

Why are we all here?

为什么我们都在这里？

To support Senator John McCain and Governor Palin.

支持参议员约翰·麦凯恩和州长佩林。

Hello, Pennsylvania.

你好，宾夕法尼亚州。

John McCain spends a lot of time in Pennsylvania these days.

约翰·麦凯恩这些天在宾夕法尼亚州度过了很多时间。

Last week, he hit Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, Moon Township, and Bensalem.

上周，他访问了匹兹堡、哈里斯堡、月亮镇和本萨勒姆。

The week before, he was in Montgomery County, Downingtown and Chester, and Governor Palin was in Lancaster and Scranton.

一周前，他在蒙哥马利县、唐宁敦和切斯特，佩林州长在兰开斯特和斯克兰顿。

Not many states get this kind of attention.

得到这种关注的州并不多。

Pennsylvania is the one blue state, the one state that went for John Kerry in 2004, that John McCain is vigorously campaigning in.

宾夕法尼亚州是唯一一个蓝色州，也是 2004 年约翰·克里 (John Kerry) 当选的州，也是约翰·麦凯恩 (John McCain) 大力竞选的州。

In the last few weeks, a lot of people have been asking, why?

过去几周，很多人都在问，为什么？

Barack Obama has held double-digit leads over McCain in nearly every poll in the state.

在该州几乎所有民意调查中，巴拉克·奥巴马都以两位数的优势领先于麦凯恩。

He's heavily outspending McCain on TV ads here, as he is everywhere.

他在这里的电视广告上的花费远远超过了麦凯恩，因为他无处不在。

He has a bigger field operation in Pennsylvania than McCain's, more offices, more people, and they've been in place for months longer.

他在宾夕法尼亚州的实地行动比麦凯恩的行动更大，办公室更多，人员更多，而且他们的工作时间也更长了几个月。

And finally, thanks to voter registration drives, there are now 1.2 million more registered Democrats in the state than Republicans.

最后，由于选民登记活动的推动，该州目前登记的民主党人比共和党人多了 120 万。

That's twice as many as in 2004.

这是 2004 年的两倍。

And remember, the Democratic presidential ticket won the state in 2004, just as it won in 2000, and 1996, and 1992.

请记住，民主党总统候选人在 2004 年赢得了该州，就像它在 2000 年、1996 年和 1992 年赢得该州一样。

So why is John McCain fighting so hard for this state?

那么，为什么约翰·麦凯恩要为这个州如此努力地奋斗呢？

Well, part of it is pure electoral college math.

嗯，其中一部分是纯粹的选举团数学。

He needs Pennsylvania.

他需要宾夕法尼亚州。

He needs it badly, because winning Pennsylvania is the only way he'll be able to make up for red states that might go to Obama, states like Colorado or New Mexico.

他非常需要它，因为赢得宾夕法尼亚州是他能够弥补可能落入奥巴马手中的红色州（例如科罗拉多州或新墨西哥州）的唯一途径。

And apparently, McCain sees an opportunity in Pennsylvania.

显然，麦凯恩在宾夕法尼亚州看到了机会。

This is the state where Hillary Clinton trounced Barack Obama by nine points.

希拉里·克林顿(Hillary Clinton)在该州以九个百分点的优势击败巴拉克·奥巴马(Barack Obama)。

And so, there are tons of working class Democrats who McCain sees as persuadable.

因此，麦凯恩认为有大量的工人阶级民主党人是可以说服的。

McCain campaign officials have told The New York Times and others that their internal polls show that Obama is just seven or eight points ahead, which seems less daunting when you realize that five or six percent of the voters are still undecided and up for grabs.

麦凯恩竞选官员告诉《纽约时报》和其他人，他们的内部民意调查显示奥巴马仅领先七八个百分点，当你意识到百分之五到六的选民仍未做出决定并等待争夺时，这似乎就不那么令人畏惧了。

And in this last week, most of the polls, even the ones you read in the paper, show McCain gaining on Obama in Pennsylvania.

上周，大多数民意调查，甚至是你在报纸上读到的民意调查，都显示麦凯恩在宾夕法尼亚州领先奥巴马。

And closing that gap is what these rallies are all about.

缩小这一差距正是这些反弹的目的。

So at this time, it is my great pleasure and high honor to introduce to you the next president and vice president of the United States, John McCain and Sarah Palin.

所以此时此刻，我非常高兴和荣幸地向大家介绍美国下一任总统和副总统约翰·麦凯恩和莎拉·佩林。

[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] Ira Glass After this rousing introduction by Congressman Charlie Dent, everybody leaps to their feet, the houselights go black, spotlights swoop and circle, and then nothing, absolutely nothing, no McCain, no Palin.

[欢呼和掌声]艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 在国会议员查理·登特 (Charlie Dent) 的激动人心的介绍之后，每个人都站起来，屋内的灯光变暗，聚光灯俯冲并盘旋，然后什么都没有，绝对没有，没有麦凯恩，没有佩林。

After six minutes on our feet, some people start to sit down.

我们站起来六分钟后，一些人开始坐下。

A couple minutes later, "Eye of the Tiger" comes on the PA and everybody jumps to their feet again, but nope, false alarm, no candidates still.

几分钟后，公共广播中播放了“老虎之眼”，每个人都再次站起来，但不，虚惊一场，仍然没有候选人。

Finally, 43 minutes later, the Straight Talk Express bus pulls right on to the floor of the arena.

43 分钟后，Straight Talk Express 巴士终于停在了竞技场的地板上。

Governor Palin and Senator McCain take the stage.

佩林州长和麦凯恩参议员上台。

And it's got to happen right here in the state of Pennsylvania, my friends.

我的朋友们，这一定会发生在宾夕法尼亚州。

I'd like to give you a little straight talk.

我想跟你说一点直话。

Pennsylvania will have a great role in determining the next president of the United States and vice president of the United States.

宾夕法尼亚州将在确定下一任美国总统和美国副总统方面发挥重要作用。

I need your vote.

我需要你的投票。

We need to carry Pennsylvania.

我们需要携带宾夕法尼亚州。

We need you.

我们需要你。

[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] Ira Glass For the last month, our radio staff has been in Pennsylvania to try to understand what is happening on the ground in this election.

[欢呼和掌声] Ira Glass 上个月，我们的电台工作人员一直在宾夕法尼亚州，试图了解这次选举的实际情况。

We chose Pennsylvania because it's one of the true battlegrounds this year.

我们选择宾夕法尼亚州是因为它是今年真正的战场之一。

We chose Pennsylvania because it's a microcosm of the country, with a couple big cities and sprawling rural areas and small towns and suburbs.

我们选择宾夕法尼亚州是因为它是这个国家的缩影，有几个大城市和广阔的农村地区以及小镇和郊区。

We wanted to see firsthand what arguments were affecting undecided voters, and making decided voters change their minds.

我们想亲眼看看哪些论点正在影响尚未做出决定的选民，并使已做出决定的选民改变主意。

And all this hour we will be deep inside the field operations in both camps, McCain's and Obama's.

在这一个小时里，我们将深入麦凯恩和奥巴马两个阵营的现场行动。

And so, as we head into this last week before Election Day, we bring you the ground war in this crucial swing state.

因此，当我们进入选举日之前的最后一周时，我们将为您带来这个关键摇摆州的地面战争。

We're going to be hopping around the state throughout this hour.

这一小时我们将在全州各处跳来跳去。

And so, before we start, a quick Pennsylvania electoral primer.

因此，在我们开始之前，先快速了解一下宾夕法尼亚州选举的入门知识。

It's pretty simple really.

这真的很简单。

There are two big cities, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, one is on the right side of the map of Pennsylvania, the other's on the left side of the map.

有两个大城市，费城和匹兹堡，一个位于宾夕法尼亚州地图的右侧，另一个位于地图的左侧。

Those are the Democratic strongholds.

这些是民主党的据点。

The reliable Republican territory is the vast area between those cities, which is farmland and small towns.

可靠的共和国领土是这些城市之间的广大地区，这是农田和小镇。

James Carville once famously described the state as Philly and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between.

詹姆斯·卡维尔曾将这个州描述为费城和匹兹堡，以及介于两者之间的阿拉巴马州。

So, what's up for grabs?

那么，有什么值得抢的呢？

Well, a lot maybe.

嗯，也许很多。

Incoming call.

来电。

Incoming call.

来电。

Woman 1 Democrats for McCain, can I help you?

女性 1 民主党人支持麦凯恩，我能为您效劳吗？

Now, officially, this is a citizen's for McCain office, in Scranton, Pennsylvania, in the northeast part of the state.

现在，正式地，这是麦凯恩的公民办公室，位于宾夕法尼亚州东北部的斯克兰顿。

But the office is run by Democrats, and the name that they have given on the phone speaks for itself.

但该办公室由民主党人管理，他们在电话中给出的名字不言而喻。

Democrats are the key to McCain's strategy in Pennsylvania, his campaign told us.

麦凯恩的竞选团队告诉我们，民主党是麦凯恩在宾夕法尼亚州战略的关键。

This is the Hillary vote, which, as I said, was huge in this state.

这就是希拉里的选票，正如我所说，在这个州，选票是巨大的。

And McCain's campaign is unabashed about the pursuit of it, both in Pennsylvania and nationwide.

麦凯恩的竞选团队毫不掩饰对这一目标的追求，无论是在宾夕法尼亚州还是全国范围内。

Check out this ad.

看看这个广告。

I'm a proud Hillary Clinton Democrat.

我是一名自豪的希拉里·克林顿民主党人。

She had the experience and judgment to be president.

她拥有担任总统的经验和判断力。

Now, in a first for me, I'm supporting a Republican, John McCain.

现在，我第一次支持共和党人约翰·麦凯恩。

I respect his maverick and independent streak, and now he's the one with the experience and judgment.

我尊重他特立独行和独立的性格，现在他是一个拥有经验和判断力的人。

A lot of democrats will vote McCain.

很多民主党人会投票给麦凯恩。

It's OK, really.

真的没关系。

I'm John McCain and I approve this message.

我是约翰·麦凯恩，我批准此消息。

One of the producers of our show, Nancy Updike, spent some time in Scranton at the Democrats for McCain office.

我们节目的制作人之一南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike) 在斯克兰顿的民主党麦凯恩办公室待了一段时间。

When I told an Obama supporter that I was doing a story about Democrats for John McCain and that I was on my way to interview one of them, she said, oh, so you're going to interview an ass [BLEEP].

当我告诉一位奥巴马的支持者我正在为约翰·麦凯恩做一个关于民主党人的故事并且我正在去采访其中一个人的路上时，她说，哦，所以你要采访一个混蛋[BLEEP]。

Other names she could have used, according to the McCain Democrats I talked to, based on their previous experiences: whack job; dumb, racist KKK bitch; and a word I can't say on the radio that begins with the letter "C."

根据我采访过的麦凯恩民主党人的说法，根据他们以前的经历，她还可以使用其他名字：“糟糕的工作”；愚蠢的、种族主义的三K党婊子；还有一个我不能在收音机里说的以字母“C”开头的词。

Country first.

国家第一。

Country first.

国家第一。

Nancy Updike These are former Hillary Clinton supporters, about 40 of them, who've ridden two-plus hours in cars and a bus from New York on a Saturday to canvass in Scranton for John McCain.

南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike) 这些人是希拉里·克林顿 (Hillary Clinton) 的前支持者，大约有 40 人，周六，他们从纽约乘坐汽车和公共汽车两个多小时来到斯克兰顿为约翰·麦凯恩 (John McCain) 拉票。

They overwhelm the tiny Democrats for McCain office, and fill it up with the squeals of long-lost friends reunited, and the enthusiasm that comes from working very hard for something you believe in with all your heart, for no money.

他们压倒了麦凯恩的小民主党办公室，充满了久别重逢的朋友的尖叫声，以及为你全心相信的事情而努力工作而不花钱的热情。

This type of commitment is not to be trifled with.

这种类型的承诺不容忽视。

After a long, tough primary, the people in this room are tenacious, experienced, organized, and very, very mad.

经过漫长而艰难的初选后，这个房间里的人都很顽强、经验丰富、有组织性，而且非常非常疯狂。

They're also impossible to dismiss as racist KKK bitches.

他们也不可能被视为种族主义的三K党婊子。

A lot of them are not white, including the two I ended up following as they were canvassing.

他们中的很多人都不是白人，包括我在拉票时最终跟踪的两个人。

[KNOCKING ON DOOR] Chris It's so they can hear.

[敲门]克里斯：这样他们就能听到。

Hey, you know what, they will answer the door that way.

嘿，你知道吗，他们会那样开门的。

The one giving the good, long knock is Chris, a tall, courtly, 28-year-old African American policy analyst with a graduate degree in economics.

发出长长的敲门声的是克里斯，一位身材高大、彬彬有礼的 28 岁非裔美国政策分析师，拥有经济学研究生学位。

The shorter one next to him, giving Chris a look like, why are you knocking so much, is his friend Jessie, a 35-year-old African American software tester who's taking a week off from work to campaign for John McCain.

他旁边那个矮个子的人是他的朋友杰西 (Jessie)，他的表情像是在问克里斯，你为什么敲得这么厉害。杰西是一名 35 岁的非裔美国软件测试员，正在请一周假来为约翰·麦凯恩 (John McCain) 竞选。

They met on the Hillary campaign trail.

他们是在希拉里竞选活动中相识的。

It's always this kind of a sense of like, oh, I'm the black man lurking and knocking on people's doors, will they call the police?

总是有这样一种感觉，哦，我是那个潜伏在敲别人家门的黑人，他们会报警吗？

And there always this kind of thing, like on somebody's face that's kind of like--

总是有这样的事情，比如在某人的脸上，有点像——

--and smaller Chris --this person at our door, especially once it starts getting dark in the winter when we're doing the primaries.

——还有较小的克里斯——我们家门口的这个人，尤其是当我们进行初选时冬天天开始变黑的时候。

Hi, how are you?

你好你好吗？

Jessie We are volunteers for Democrats for John McCain.

杰西 我们是约翰·麦凯恩的民主党志愿者。

I'm here wondering if John McCain can count on your support this November.

我想知道约翰·麦凯恩今年 11 月是否能得到你们的支持。

OK, no. I'm having a difficult time trying to vote for anybody, but it won't be him.

好吧，不。我很难投票给任何人，但不会是他。

Why not, if I may ask?

如果我可以问的话，为什么不呢？

Paul He just reminds too much of Bush.

保罗 他太让人想起布什了。

Really?

真的吗？

Paul Yeah, he even sounds like him.

保罗 是的，他甚至听起来都像他。

You know, I'll tell you-- Paul I'm trying to be real with you.

你知道，我会告诉你——保罗，我正努力对你说实话。

Scranton is overwhelmingly Democratic, and Chris and Jessie have been given a list of registered Democrats and Independents, so it wasn't surprising that they were encountering some McCain resistance.

斯克兰顿绝大多数是民主党人，克里斯和杰西已经获得了一份登记的民主党人和独立人士名单，因此他们遇到麦凯恩的一些阻力也就不足为奇了。

What was surprising was how ripe for conversion most of the supposed Obama supporters were.

令人惊讶的是，大多数所谓的奥巴马支持者的皈依时机是多么成熟。

Take this guy, Paul [?

就拿这个人来说吧，保罗[?

Volpe ?].

沃尔佩？]。

It took Chris and Jessie about one minute to start wearing him down, and the more they talked about McCain, the more skeptical of Obama he seemed.

克里斯和杰西花了大约一分钟的时间才让他疲惫不堪，他们越谈论麦凯恩，他似乎就越怀疑奥巴马。

I tell you that his record of bipartisanship is that he is more likely to vote with Democrats than he is to vote with Republicans.

我告诉你，他的两党合作记录是，他更有可能投票支持民主党，而不是投票支持共和党。

55% of his legislation was passed with Democrats.

他的立法中有 55% 获得了民主党的通过。

Really?

真的吗？

Jessie Yeah.

杰西 是的。

He opposed Bush on how he managed the war.

他反对布什的战争管理方式。

He opposed him on his tax cuts.

他反对他的减税政策。

Our thing is we're Democrats, and, you know--

我们的事情是我们是民主党人，而且，你知道——

From New York.

来自纽约。

Chris Yeah, from New York, and we have a lot of kind of Democratic core beliefs.

克里斯 是的，来自纽约，我们有很多民主党的核心信念。

But I feel more comfortable knowing that John McCain, who's had years of service to this country, will be the commander in chief.

但我更放心的是，知道为这个国家服务多年的约翰·麦凯恩将担任总司令。

And if you look back over John McCain's career, I mean, he's not afraid to get in there and be the bad guy if it means getting problems solved for people.

如果你回顾约翰·麦凯恩的职业生涯，我的意思是，如果这意味着为人们解决问题，他并不害怕成为坏人。

I just wanted something different.

我只是想要一些不同的东西。

That's why I was going for the other guy.

这就是为什么我去找另一个人。

You know what I mean?

你知道我的意思？

I just want something--

我只是想要一些东西——

From I just wanted something different, [?

从我只是想要一些不同的东西，[？

Volpe ?] went on to say about Obama:

沃尔普？]接着谈到奥巴马：

Yeah, I mean, he's a real good talker, but--

是的，我是说，他确实很健谈，但是——

And I really don't know where Obama even came from either.

我真的不知道奥巴马是从哪里来的。

You know, he popped out of-- I've never heard of him before this.

你知道，他突然出现——在此之前我从未听说过他。

Who is this guy?

这家伙是谁？

That's what I'm always saying.

这就是我一直在说的。

I'll stop.

我会停下来。

He's just the only one that's impressing me on TV.

他是电视上唯一给我留下深刻印象的人。

And you know what, you're right.

你知道吗，你是对的。

It's not really a reason to vote for him.

这并不是投票给他的真正理由。

Can't give the guy the keys to your country because he looks great on TV, you know?

不能因为他在电视上看起来很棒而把你国家的钥匙交给他，你知道吗？

Because then you give, you know--

因为那时你给予，你知道——

When we left, [?

当我们离开时，[?

Volpe ?] was still uncommitted and leaning toward Obama.

沃尔普？]仍然不表态并倾向于奥巴马。

But if I was a pollster, I wouldn't put him in the Obama column.

但如果我是一名民意调查专家，我不会把他列入奥巴马专栏。

He'd been a Hillary supporter just like Chris and Jessie, and for him, Obama seemed like an uncomfortable bench he'd only sat down on out of exhaustion.

他和克里斯和杰西一样都是希拉里的支持者，对他来说，奥巴马就像一张不舒服的长凳，他只是因为疲惫才坐下来。

That's what made Chris and Jessie so persuasive.

这就是克里斯和杰西如此有说服力的原因。

They'd left the bench, and they seemed to be thriving.

他们离开了替补席，而且看起来正在蓬勃发展。

Canvassing is usually a big time investment for a small return.

拉票通常是投入大量时间却获得少量回报的行为。

In studies, canvassers had to talk to an average of 14 people to get one extra vote.

在研究中，拉票者必须与平均 14 个人交谈才能获得额外一张选票。

But Chris and Jessie seemed to be doing a lot better than that.

但克里斯和杰西似乎做得比这好得多。

I watched them make inroads with one wavering Democrat after another.

我看着他们向一个又一个摇摆不定的民主党人发起进攻。

A whole family sitting on their porch:

全家人坐在门廊上：

Can we ask if you're supporting John McCain for president this year?

我们能问一下您是否支持约翰·麦凯恩今年竞选总统？

Actually, still undecided.

其实还没有决定。

Jessie Oh, really?

杰西哦，真的吗？

[LAUGHTER] Nancy Updike A young woman voting in her first presidential election, a woman with three sons who's worried about the economy and the Iraq War and Sarah Palin.

[笑声] 南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）是一位年轻女性，她在第一次总统选举中投票，她有三个儿子，担心经济和伊拉克战争，还有莎拉·佩林（Sarah Palin）。

Everyone was charmed and, frankly, mesmerized by Chris and Jessie.

每个人都被克里斯和杰西迷住了，坦白说，他们被迷住了。

And finally, the woman with three sons said to Chris straight out:

最后，带着三个儿子的女人直截了当地对克里斯说：

I'm a little surprised.

我有点惊讶。

I'm surprised that you're backing McCain and Palin.

我很惊讶你支持麦凯恩和佩林。

You wouldn't want to see Barack Obama be the first--

你不会想看到巴拉克·奥巴马成为第一个——

African American-- Woman 4 --African American president.

非裔美国人——女人4——非裔美国总统。

Well, I would love to see an African American president in the White House in my lifetime.

嗯，我很想在有生之年看到一位非裔美国总统入主白宫。

I really do.

我真的这么做。

But more important than my personal desire to see an African American president is my love for this country.

但比我个人渴望见到一位非裔美国总统更重要的是我对这个国家的热爱。

So I think, what does this country need most, for me to get to see an African American president in my lifetime or for somebody who has experience?

所以我想，这个国家最需要什么，是我有生之年能见到一位非裔美国总统，还是有经验的人？

Barack Obama says a lot, but what has he done?

奥巴马说了很多，但他做了什么？

If you look at his record, you can't really--

如果你看看他的记录，你真的不能——

Chris and Jessie went to 16 houses in this neighborhood in Democratic Scranton, PA, and only one was a definite Obama vote.

克里斯和杰西走访了宾夕法尼亚州民主党斯克兰顿这个街区的 16 栋房子，只有一栋明确投给了奥巴马。

Four were firm McCain supporters, and this was without hearing Chris and Jessie's spiel.

其中四人是麦凯恩的坚定支持者，而且这是在没有听到克里斯和杰西滔滔不绝的情况下进行的。

And of the four undecided houses, Chris and Jessie flipped one to McCain and made serious headway with the other three.

在四个尚未决定的房子中，克里斯和杰西将其中一个转给了麦凯恩，并在其他三个房子上取得了重大进展。

For these undecided Democrats, it was like they were wearing handcuffs, and Chris and Jessie were walking around with the keys, unlocking them.

对于这些犹豫不决的民主党人来说，就像他们戴着手铐，克里斯和杰西拿着钥匙走来走去，打开它们。

Suddenly, former Hillary Clinton supporters could consider voting for a Republican and against a black man and not feel racist, or dumb, or crazy.

突然之间，希拉里·克林顿的前支持者可以考虑投票支持共和党，反对黑人，而不会感到种族主义、愚蠢或疯狂。

At the end of that day, I thought, John McCain really could win Pennsylvania.

那天结束时，我想约翰·麦凯恩真的可以赢得宾夕法尼亚州。

For anyone wondering why he's still pouring money into the state, this is it.

对于任何想知道他为什么仍在向国家投入资金的人来说，就是这样。

Ambivalent Democrats live all over Pennsylvania, and with their votes, he could do it.

矛盾的民主党人遍布宾夕法尼亚州各地，有了他们的选票，他就能做到这一点。

Were you surprised at how open people who said, yeah, I'm a lifelong Democrat, how open they were to the idea of voting for John McCain, and even getting very interested in the idea of voting for John McCain, from what I saw?

您是否对人们如此开放地表示“是的，我是一名终生的民主党人”感到惊讶，他们对投票给约翰·麦凯恩的想法有多开放，甚至从我所看到的来看，他们对投票给约翰·麦凯恩的想法非常感兴趣？

I'm not surprised.

我并不感到惊讶。

I mean, I think that what you were seeing are a lot of people who didn't feel a strong connection to believing that Barack Obama saw them, not just looked at them, but got it, saw them.

我的意思是，我认为你所看到的是很多人，他们并没有强烈地相信巴拉克·奥巴马看到了他们，不仅仅是看着他们，而是明白了，看到了他们。

The bottom line for Chris is this, he thinks Obama is little more than a marketing campaign, not a man of demonstrated principal or grit.

克里斯的底线是，他认为奥巴马只不过是一场营销活动，而不是一个有原则或勇气的人。

And compared to all that, so what that he's a Democrat?

与这一切相比，他是民主党人又怎样呢？

Nancy Updike.

南希·厄普代克。

We'll return to her in Scranton later in the program.

我们稍后会在节目中回到斯克兰顿去找她。

Now, while the McCain campaign is hoping to pick up votes in territory that is normally strongly Democratic, the Obama campaign is fighting to pick up extra votes in that vast territory in the center of Pennsylvania that has always been strongly Republican.

现在，虽然麦凯恩竞选团队希望在通常是民主党强烈支持的地区赢得选票，但奥巴马竞选团队正在努力在宾夕法尼亚州中部那片一直是共和党强烈支持的广阔地区赢得更多选票。

You've probably heard about the massive voter registration drives that Obama has run around the country.

您可能听说过奥巴马在全国范围内开展的大规模选民登记活动。

In Pennsylvania, a big part of that push was for young voters on college campuses, especially right in the heart of red Pennsylvania, a town called State College, smack dab in the middle of the state, where one of the biggest schools in the country is, Penn State, with 44,000 students.

在宾夕法尼亚州，这一推动力的很大一部分是针对大学校园里的年轻选民，特别是在红色宾夕法尼亚州的中心，一个名为州立学院的小镇，正好位于该州中部，全国最大的学校之一是宾夕法尼亚州立大学，有 44,000 名学生。

The John Kerry campaign had only one paid staffer in State College back in 2004, and they lost this county.

2004 年，约翰·克里 (John Kerry) 竞选团队在州立学院只有一名带薪工作人员，结果他们失去了这个县。

Obama has seven paid staff and tons of volunteers trying to register and get out the student vote.

奥巴马有七名带薪工作人员和大量志愿者试图登记并获得学生选票。

One of our producers, Sarah Koenig, went to see how they were doing.

我们的一位制片人莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 前去看看他们的表现如何。

It's September 24, 13 more days until the October 6 deadline to register voters in Pennsylvania.

现在是 9 月 24 日，距离 10 月 6 日宾夕法尼亚州选民登记截止日期还有 13 天。

The registration goal for campus is to sign up roughly half the student body, 21,000 students.

校园的注册目标是注册大约一半的学生，即 21,000 名学生。

It's a number the campaign wouldn't allow anyone to discuss with me on the record, but it's also a number that every single person involved with voter registration on campus was talking about.

竞选活动不允许任何人与我公开讨论这个数字，但这也是每个参与校园选民登记的人都在谈论的数字。

On the wall of the Obama office in downtown State College, there's a drawing of a giant thermometer climbing to the ceiling, with the number 21,000 at the very top.

在州立大学市中心的奥巴马办公室的墙上，画着一个巨大的温度计爬到天花板上，最上面写着数字“21,000”。

Every day, they fill in their new registrations in red marker.

每天，他们都会用红色记号笔填写新的登记信息。

As of this day, they're at about 12,000, a little more than halfway there with less than two weeks to go.

截至今天，人数约为 12,000 人，仅剩不到两周的时间。

Besides the Obama campaign, there are a bunch of other groups trying to register voters, all with their own goals.

除了奥巴马竞选团队之外，还有许多其他团体也在尝试登记选民，他们都有自己的目标。

Hey, you guys want to hear a really cool rhyme?

嘿，你们想听一首很酷的押韵吗？

All you have to do is register to vote.

您所要做的就是登记投票。

Uh-huh.

嗯嗯。

Woman 5 Have a good day.

女人 5 祝你有美好的一天。

Don't forget to vote.

别忘了投票。

It's less than three weeks, the deadline, and then we won't be fine.

距离最后期限还不到三周，到那时我们就不会好起来了。

We're running out of time.

我们的时间不多了。

Everybody registered to vote?

大家都登记投票了吗？

You registered to vote?

您登记投票了吗？

Every single one of you are registered to vote at your current Penn State address?

你们每个人都在您当前的宾夕法尼亚州立大学地址登记投票吗？

I don't believe you.

我不相信你。

They began in the summer.

他们从夏天开始。

And when classes first started in late August, there was a rash of registrations, but it's slowed since then.

当八月下旬首次开课时，注册人数激增，但此后注册速度有所放缓。

And now, people are starting to get a little antsy and sick.

现在，人们开始变得有点烦躁和恶心。

[GIRL COUGHING] A girl collecting registrations for MoveOn is looking miserable with a cold.

[女孩咳嗽] 一名为 MoveOn 收集报名的女孩因感冒而看起来很痛苦。

The guy running a student group called PSUvote is cranky from a stomach bug.

负责管理一个名为 PSUvote 的学生团体的人因胃病而脾气暴躁。

I meet Jonathan [?

我遇见乔纳森[?

Burkhart ?] at a diner, a place he goes about once a week for breakfast.

伯克哈特？]在一家小餐馆，他每周都会去一次那里吃早餐。

This is one luxury during campaigns.

这是竞选期间的一种奢侈。

Jonathan was sent here by the Service Employees International Union, SEIU, with the singular task of registering 2,500 people by himself.

乔纳森 (Jonathan) 是由服务业雇员国际工会 (SEIU) 派到这里的，他的唯一任务是亲自为 2,500 人进行登记。

He's getting sick, too.

他也病了。

When I get really tired my eyes start to puff up, and I have like a tear duct, a minor tear duct infection.

当我真的很累的时候，我的眼睛开始浮肿，就像泪管一样，轻微的泪管感染。

By the time the registration deadline came, that minor infection turned into a major infection, the worst eye infection, in fact, that I or Jonathan's doctor had ever seen.

当登记截止日期到来时，轻微感染变成了严重感染，事实上，这是我或乔纳森的医生见过的最严重的眼部感染。

He ended up needing surgery.

他最终需要接受手术。

But right now, taking a break is out of the question.

但现在，休息是不可能的。

He's still less than halfway to his goal.

他距离目标还不到一半。

He's got what you might call the Schindler's List syndrome.

他患有所谓的“辛德勒名单综合症”。

I mean there's an infinite amount of work that I can be doing all the time.

我的意思是，我一直可以做无数的工作。

You can never overdo it.

你永远不能做得太过分。

Right, you could look around at all of these people and just start asking them, are you registered, are you registered, are you registered?

是的，你可以看看周围所有这些人，然后开始问他们，你注册了吗？你注册了吗？你注册了吗？

Exactly.

确切地。

I mean, it's sort of-- OK, so you registered half the student body, why didn't you register all the student body?

我的意思是，有点——好吧，所以你注册了一半的学生，为什么不注册所有的学生呢？

You registered all the student body, why didn't you convince every single one of them to vote for your candidate?

你登记了所有学生团体，为什么不说服他们每个人都投票给你的候选人？

You convince every single one of them to vote for your candidate, why weren't you in other areas where you could have been convincing other people?

你说服了他们每一个人投票给你的候选人，为什么你不在其他可以说服其他人的领域呢？

Like, it just keeps on going.

就像，它就这样继续下去。

Jonathan's worked in field politics for five years.

乔纳森从事实地政治工作五年了。

He's 30, which gives him near-geezer status in the registration crowd.

他已经 30 岁了，这让他在登记人群中的地位近乎怪人。

The guy in the Obama office who's running the 10-county region for the campaign is just 23.

奥巴马办公室负责竞选活动的 10 个县地区的负责人只有 23 岁。

And mostly, other people doing registrations are in their teens or 20s.

大多数进行注册的人都是十几岁或二十多岁。

You have to be young to do this job.

你必须很年轻才能从事这项工作。

Jonathan's the guy people come to for advice.

人们向乔纳森寻求建议。

He knows all about data analysis and attacks his goal of 2,500 as scientifically as possible.

他了解所有数据分析知识，并尽可能科学地实现 2,500 人的目标。

He keeps a tally of every registration he gets, sorted by day, time, sex of registrant.

他对收到的每项注册进行记录，并按日期、时间、注册者性别排序。

He notes the weather, the football games.

他记录天气和足球比赛。

This way, he knows, or thinks he knows, the preeminent registration times, which, so far, are 1:00 to 3:00 on Tuesdays.

通过这种方式，他知道，或者认为他知道最重要的登记时间，到目前为止，是每周二的 1:00 到 3:00。

He's figured out that a beat-up sign gets better results than a fancy one.

他发现，破旧的标牌比花哨的标牌效果更好。

And he's done experiments with his pitch.

他对自己的推销方式进行了实验。

The thing is, is I was doing the pitch for a few weeks, and I was switching off days that I did the pitch and then days that I didn't do the pitch.

问题是，我做了几周的推介，然后我就关闭了做推介的日子和不做推介的日子。

And it was unfortunate from my sort of organizer's instincts that I was getting fewer registrations on the days that I did the pitch.

不幸的是，从我这种组织者的直觉来看，在我进行比稿的那几天，我收到的注册人数越来越少。

This is all I do.

这就是我所做的一切。

Sarah Koenig The built-in pisser of this whole endeavor is that, as each group tries frantically to reach its goal number, the pool of non-registered students is always shrinking.

莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）整个努力的内在问题是，当每个小组疯狂地试图达到其目标人数时，未注册的学生人数总是在减少。

It's harder and harder to find someone who isn't already registered.

找到尚未注册的人越来越难。

Hey guys, how's it going?

嘿伙计们，怎么样？

Are you all registered to vote at your current Penn State addresses?

你们都在当前的宾夕法尼亚州立大学地址登记投票吗？

OK, let's register you here.

好的，我们在这里为您注册。

Sarah Koenig Enter the master, Casey Miller.

莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 大师凯西·米勒 (Casey Miller) 登场。

She's 22, a fifth-year, cigarette-smoking, hard-drinking senior, originally from Pittsburgh.

她今年 22 岁，是一名五年级学生，来自匹兹堡，抽烟、酗酒。

She's in A Xi D, a sorority, and has a tattoo of a blue lion's paw on her left foot, the logo of the university's football team.

她是 A Xi D 联谊会成员，左脚上有蓝色狮子爪的纹身，这是该大学橄榄球队的标志。

On her MySpace page she lists the following interest: cars, Steelers-- the football team-- parties, late-night Cinemax, bottles of mousse, very large beer bongs.

在她的 MySpace 页面上，她列出了以下兴趣：汽车、钢人队（橄榄球队）、派对、深夜 Cinemax、瓶装慕斯、很大的啤酒枪。

What's your last name?

你姓什么？

Keith Well, I was planning on sending in my--

基思 嗯，我本来打算送我的——

Why not?

为什么不呢？

Casey Miller Well, I'll just get right to the bottom line.

凯西·米勒（Casey Miller）：好吧，我直接说到底。

Improper completion of the absentee ballot or related material, improper delivery of the absentee ballot to the county board of elections, can result in your absentee ballot being challenged and set aside by a county board of elections or a court of law.

缺席选票或相关材料填写不当、缺席选票不正确地交付给县选举委员会，都可能导致您的缺席选票受到县选举委员会或法院的质疑和撤销。

Basically, that means it's going to get thrown out if you leave like one box unchecked or anything slightly wrong--

基本上，这意味着如果你留下一个盒子未选中或有任何轻微错误，它就会被扔掉--

A situation like this, where someone says he's going to vote absentee, this is where many volunteers fail to persuade or just give up.

像这样的情况，有人说他要缺席投票，很多志愿者都无法说服或放弃。

But Casey goes on for a full 40 seconds.

但凯西继续说了整整 40 秒。

He's still not convinced.

他还是不相信。

What if the issues at home matter more to me than the issues here?

如果家里的问题对我来说比这里的问题更重要怎么办？

Well, are you going to move back home after you graduate?

那么，毕业后你会搬回老家吗？

You're very forceful when it comes to registering people to vote.

在登记选民投票方面，你们非常有力度。

Yes, I am.

我是。

Keith Has anybody just straight-up turned you down?

基思 有人直接拒绝了你吗？

At this point, the full-on flirting kicks in.

此时，全面的调情开始了。

Casey presses Obama stickers onto the boys' chests, uses their full names with ironic formality.

凯西将奥巴马贴纸贴在男孩们的胸前，以讽刺的形式使用他们的全名。

Steven, what's your political party?

史蒂文，你的政党是什么？

Gregory, is that a 16803 zip code?

Gregory，那是 16803 邮政编码吗？

See, I'm going to ask you for you phone number, Keith.

瞧，我要向你要电话号码，基思。

And I'm going to print that very clearly.

我将把它打印得非常清楚。

So if there's anything wrong with your form, we will call you and make sure that your registration goes through and that you can vote in this election.

因此，如果您的表格有任何问题，我们会打电话给您，确保您的注册成功并可以在这次选举中投票。

What is you phone number, Keith?

基思，你的电话号码是多少？

Here's what you can't appreciate about Casey on the radio.

以下是你在广播中无法欣赏凯西的地方。

She looks like a small, brunette Brigitte Bardot.

她看起来像个小个子、黑发的碧姬·芭杜 (Brigitte Bardot)。

Long, wavy hair swept up with a clip, thick black eyeliner painted on '60s style, huge perfect smile, knockout figure.

长长的大卷发用夹子盘起，黑色的粗眼线画着60年代风格，完美的笑容，迷人的身材。

This, in no small part, is why her registration numbers are consistently higher than anyone else's.

这在很大程度上就是为什么她的注册人数始终高于其他任何人的原因。

Boys will listen to anything she has to say for however long she chooses to say it.

无论她选择说多久，男孩都会听她说的任何话。

Girls too, actually.

其实女孩子也一样。

But I'm just concerned that, like, I might be tempted to vote twice.

但我只是担心，比如，我可能会忍不住投票两次。

Keith, you're just going to have to avoid temptation.

基思，你必须避免诱惑。

There's a good chance, statistically speaking, that Keith won't vote at all.

从统计数据来看，基思很有可能根本不会投票。

Students have a terrible track record of actually making it to the polls once they've signed up.

学生们一旦报名参加投票，他们的记录就很糟糕。

That's just one reason this whole registration drive is something of a gamble for the Obama campaign.

这只是整个登记活动对奥巴马竞选来说是一场赌博的原因之一。

Even the gurus of get out the vote campaigning, two Yale political scientists named Alan Gerber and Donald Green, can't say for sure how effective registration drives are at increasing voter turnout.

即使是投票活动的大师，耶鲁大学的两位政治学家艾伦·格伯和唐纳德·格林，也无法确定登记活动对于提高选民投票率有多有效。

With a new voter, first you have to sign them up to vote, then you have to convince them to vote for your candidate, and then you have to make sure they get to the polls.

对于新选民，首先你必须让他们报名投票，然后你必须说服他们投票给你的候选人，然后你必须确保他们参加投票。

The experts simply don't know if, dollar for dollar, it's worth all the time and money.

专家们根本不知道，一美元换一美元，它是否值得所有的时间和金钱。

Limited resources in any campaign.

任何活动中的资源都是有限的。

You're welcome!

不客气！

Sarah Koenig Nine days before the deadline, there's still about 8,000 registrations to go.

Sarah Koenig 距截止日期还有 9 天，仍有约 8,000 份报名尚未完成。

We're at a vast tailgate party outside Beaver Stadium before a football game.

在一场足球比赛之前，我们正在海狸体育场外参加一场盛大的尾门派对。

It's the largest stadium in North America.

这是北美最大的体育场。

There are easily 100,000 people here, a crowd I'd characterize, overall, as drunk.

这里有 100,000 人，总的来说，我将这群人描述为喝醉了。

Penn State is playing Illinois.

宾夕法尼亚州立大学对阵伊利诺伊大学。

Barack Obama's from Illinois, and we're going to kill Illinois!

巴拉克·奥巴马来自伊利诺伊州，我们要杀死伊利诺伊州！

Fuck Illinois.

去他妈的伊利诺伊州。

Sarah Koenig We're going to kill Illinois.

莎拉·科尼格：我们要杀死伊利诺伊州。

That's what they're screaming.

这就是他们尖叫的原因。

Casey, though, is unphased, fearless in fact.

然而，凯西却很冷静，事实上无所畏惧。

And this is what makes Casey so valuable to the campaign.

这就是凯西对竞选活动如此重要的原因。

She fits in where other volunteers don't.

她适合其他志愿者不适合的地方。

Two nights running, she surreptitiously registered people in the women's bathroom of a nightclub.

连续两个晚上，她偷偷地在一家夜总会的女厕所里对人们进行了登记。

She registers people at frat houses, wanders uninvited into apartment parties.

她在兄弟会会所登记人员，不请自来地闯入公寓聚会。

Just like the football games overall have been very unsuccessful for registering students.

就像整个足球比赛对于学生注册来说非常不成功一样。

And I think it's because they stand on the corners and try to stop people, instead of approaching them at tailgates like I was just doing.

我认为这是因为他们站在角落里试图阻止人们，而不是像我刚才那样在后挡板接近他们。

And I think that that's a lot more efficient.

我认为这样效率更高。

Especially, I registered like 19 people in the line for the porta-potties at the last game.

特别是，在上一场比赛中，我登记了大约 19 个人在排队购买移动便盆。

Like, do you see this line?

比如，你看到这条线了吗？

The Obama campaign has set up a tailgate here and invited former NFL players to come sign autographs and register people.

奥巴马竞选团队在这里设立了尾门，邀请前NFL球员前来签名、登记。

Casey's job today, besides registering people herself, is to send fans to the tailgate.

凯西今天的工作，除了亲自登记人员之外，就是把粉丝送到后挡板。

She goes up to a group of friends having a party under a tent and does her pitch.

她走到一群在帐篷下开派对的朋友那里，进行推销。

We have Franco Harris, Kenny Jackson, Matt Rice, and Blair Thomas.

我们有弗兰科·哈里斯、肯尼·杰克逊、马特·赖斯和布莱尔·托马斯。

Are those, like-- Casey Miller They're former Penn State players who have played for the NFL.

是这样的吗——凯西·米勒（Casey Miller） 他们是曾为 NFL 效力的前宾夕法尼亚州立大学球员。

One of the girls gestures at a cooler, offers an alternative.

其中一个女孩指着一个冷却器，提出了另一种选择。

I have Captain Morgan.

我有摩根船长。

I have Carlo Rossi.

我有卡罗·罗西。

No one she tells is nearly as excited about these players as Casey is.

她告诉我，没有人像凯西那样对这些球员感到兴奋。

Franco Harris is her hero.

弗兰科·哈里斯是她的英雄。

She knows all about his 1972 Hall of Fame play for the Steelers, called The Immaculate Reception.

她了解他 1972 年代表钢人队的名人堂比赛《完美接待》的全部情况。

She can't wait to meet him.

她迫不及待地想见到他。

It's tough going here.

来这里很难。

It's really loud and a lot of people, when they're not hitting on Casey, are just obnoxious.

这真的很吵，很多人，当他们不搭讪凯西的时候，就很讨厌。

Still, she gets some registrations.

尽管如此，她还是获得了一些注册。

I stopped to talk to a voter for a few minutes, and when I find Casey again, she's somehow rounded up eight more.

我停下来与一位选民交谈了几分钟，当我再次找到凯西时，她不知何故又聚集了八个人。

Then we hit the porta-potty line, which is good for another half dozen.

然后我们去了移动便盆线，这对另外六人来说很有用。

After that, Casey ventured into the middle of a huge crowd of mostly men, who were circled around two shirtless guys covered in white body paint and wrestling.

之后，凯西冒险走进一大群男人中间，他们围着两个赤裸上身、浑身涂着白色颜料、正在摔跤的男人。

Hug it out.

抱抱它出来。

Hug it out.

抱抱它出来。

Hug it out.

抱抱它出来。

Hug it out.

抱抱它出来。

Hug it out.

抱抱它出来。

[CHEERING] Casey Miller Listen.

[欢呼]凯西·米勒听着。

Guys, stop.

伙计们，停下来。

Everyone, listen.

大家听着。

We have--

我们有——

Boo!

嘘！

Casey Miller --NFL-- We have NFL players--

凯西·米勒——NFL——我们有 NFL 球员——

Boo!

嘘！

Casey Miller [UNINTELLIGIBLE] over at our tailgate.

凯西·米勒（Casey Miller）[无法辨认]在我们的后挡板处。

Hey, what's it for?

嘿，这是做什么用的？

Casey Miller It's the Students for Barack Obama tailgate.

凯西·米勒 (Casey Miller) 这是巴拉克·奥巴马 (Barack Obama) 车尾的学生。

We have Franco Harris, Immaculate Reception, a lot of other NFL players.

我们有佛朗哥·哈里斯 (Franco Harris)、完美接待员 (Immaculate Reception)，以及许多其他 NFL 球员。

What the fuck is this?

这他妈是什么？

Man 10 It's hilarious.

10号男的，太搞笑了

A guy shows Casey the screen of his cellphone, which plays a little video of Barack Obama's face, which then turns into a monkey's face.

一个人向凯西展示了他的手机屏幕，屏幕上播放了巴拉克·奥巴马脸部的小视频，然后视频变成了猴子的脸。

We need to get out of here.

我们需要离开这里。

Man 12 That's what we think of him here.

Man 12 这就是我们对他的看法。

That's what we think of Obama around here, they tell her.

他们告诉她，这就是我们对奥巴马的看法。

Get the [BLEEP] out of here.

让[BLEEP]离开这里。

We hurry away, but Casey doesn't miss a beat, on to the next group.

我们匆匆离开，但凯西没有错过任何一个节拍，继续前往下一组。

Hey, guys, are you all registered to vote at your current addresses?

嘿，伙计们，你们都在当前地址登记投票了吗？

Awesome.

惊人的。

You guys should swing by our tailgate.

你们应该绕过我们的后挡板。

We're Students for Barack Obama.

我们是巴拉克·奥巴马的学生。

Can I just talk to you for a second about what just happened back there, that incredibly racist thing he had on his phone.

我能和你谈谈刚刚发生的事情吗？他手机上有一个令人难以置信的种族主义内容。

Yes.

是的。

Sarah Koenig Does that happen to you?

莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）你也会遇到这种情况吗？

Do you come across that?

你遇到过吗？

I haven't seen anything of that magnitude before.

我以前从未见过如此规模的东西。

That is very upsetting.

这是非常令人不安的。

I immediately-- I have to, for me to stay as active and positive and with the same kind of attitude that I've been having, I need to block that out for now, or else it'll just be too discouraging.

我立即——我必须这样做，为了让我保持积极和积极的态度，并保持我一直以来的态度，我需要暂时阻止它，否则就会太令人沮丧。

We rush back to the Obama tailgate so Casey can meet the NFL stars, but we're too late.

我们赶回奥巴马的车尾门，以便凯西能够见到 NFL 明星，但我们已经太晚了。

They've all left.

他们都走了。

Franco Harris, yeah.

弗兰科·哈里斯，是的。

Immaculate Reception, 1972, against the Raiders.

完美接待，1972 年，对阵突袭者队。

But it's all right.

但没关系。

Casey turns away.

凯西转身走开。

She's sad about Franco Harris, but my guess is that's not why she's crying.

她为弗兰科·哈里斯感到难过，但我猜这不是她哭泣的原因。

She's kind of jangled right now.

她现在有点慌乱。

Registration is all she thinks about or cares about.

注册是她所考虑或关心的一切。

She's devoting most of her time to more or less begging other people to care about it too.

她把大部分时间都花在或多或少地恳求其他人也关心这件事上。

And mostly, they don't.

大多数情况下，他们不这样做。

Sarah Koenig.

莎拉·科尼格.

We will hop back over to her, and to the students, as they try to make their goal in State College, in a little bit.

稍后我们将回到她和学生们身上，因为他们正在努力实现他们在州立大学的目标。

There's this speech that's been making the rounds for the last month on YouTube and the political blogs and the news.

上个月，这篇演讲在 YouTube、政治博客和新闻上广为流传。

It's by the secretary treasurer of the AFL-CIO, Richard Trumka.

这是美国劳工联合会-产业工会联合会 (AFL-CIO) 的财务主管理查德·特鲁姆卡 (Richard Trumka) 写的。

He's been traveling the country making this speech to unions.

他正在全国各地向工会发表演讲。

In it, he recounts a conversation that he had with a woman right here in Pennsylvania, in his hometown, a Democrat who said she couldn't bring herself to vote for Barack Obama.

在其中，他讲述了他在家乡宾夕法尼亚州与一位女士的谈话，这位女士是一位民主党人，她说她无法让自己投票给巴拉克·奥巴马(Barack Obama)。

The woman tells Trumka that the reason that she can't is that he's a Muslim.

这位女士告诉特鲁姆卡，她不能这样做的原因是他是穆斯林。

Trumka tells her that's not true.

特鲁姆卡告诉她这不是真的。

She then says that it's because he won't wear a flag pin.

然后她说这是因为他不戴国旗别针。

Trumka points out that he isn't wearing a flag pin, neither is she.

特鲁姆卡指出，他没有佩戴旗帜别针，她也没有。

Finally, the woman says she feels like she just can't trust Barack Obama.

最后，这位女士说她觉得自己无法信任巴拉克·奥巴马。

And I said, why is that?

我说，这是为什么？

And she drops her voice a bit, and she says, because he's black.

她压低了声音说道，因为他是黑人。

And I said, look around this town.

我说，看看这个城镇。

There's no jobs here.

这里没有工作机会。

Our kids are moving away because there's no future here.

我们的孩子要搬走，因为这里没有未来。

And here's a man, Barack Obama, who's going to fight for people like us, and you want to tell me that you won't vote for him because of the color of his skin?

这是一个人，巴拉克·奥巴马，他将为像我们这样的人而战，而你想告诉我，你不会因为他的肤色而投票给他？

Are you out of your ever-lovin' mind, lady?

女士，你疯了吗？

--we can't tap dance around the fact that there's a lot of folks out there just like that woman.

——我们不能回避这样一个事实：有很多人都像那个女人一样。

And a lot of them are good union people.

他们中的很多人都是优秀的工会成员。

They just can't get past the idea that there's something wrong with voting for a black man.

他们就是无法摆脱投票给黑人是有问题的想法。

Well those of us who know better can't afford to sit silently, or look the other way while it's happening.

那么，我们这些了解得更清楚的人不能在事情发生时袖手旁观或视而不见。

[APPLAUSE] Ira Glass As he travels around the country making this speech to union members, Richard Trumka tells the audience, you have a responsibility to stand up about race.

[掌声] 艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 在全国各地向工会成员发表演讲时，理查德·特鲁姆卡 (Richard Trumka) 告诉观众，你有责任在种族问题上挺身而出。

You have to deal with it directly.

你必须直接处理它。

Other union leaders are saying the same thing, which is an incredible assignment to give to people.

其他工会领导人也说了同样的话，这是给人们的一项令人难以置信的任务。

This is a subject that most people have trouble confronting and talking about honestly.

这是大多数人难以诚实面对和谈论的话题。

There are a lot of union members in Pennsylvania.

宾夕法尼亚州有很多工会成员。

A third of all voters in 2004 came from union households, according to CNN exit polls.

根据 CNN 的出口民意调查，2004 年三分之一的选民来自工会家庭。

And we wondered if these union members were taking up the charge, talking about race.

我们想知道这些工会成员是否正在承担起责任，谈论种族问题。

And we wondered how they did it.

我们想知道他们是如何做到的。

One of our producers, Lisa Pollak, spent the last month traveling around the state to find out.

我们的制作人之一丽莎·波拉克（Lisa Pollak）上个月在全州各地旅行以找出答案。

In early September, I went to a phone bank in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.

九月初，我去了宾夕法尼亚州约翰斯敦的一家电话银行。

And I wasn't there long, maybe 15 minutes, before I saw someone right in front of me confront the same sort of racism that Richard Trumka talked about in his speech.

我在那里呆了没多久，大概 15 分钟，就看到我面前的一个人面临着理查德·特鲁姆卡在演讲中谈到的同样的种族主义。

Hi, is this Ronnie?

嗨，这是罗尼吗？

Hi, I'm Helen.

嗨，我是海伦。

I'm calling from the union.

我是从工会打来的。

We were in a conference room at a local union headquarters.

我们在当地工会总部的一间会议室里。

There was a big whiteboard on the wall where someone had written, smile while you're on the phone, and, be polite, even when they're not polite to you.

墙上有一块大白板，有人写着：打电话时要微笑，要有礼貌，即使他们对你不礼貌。

Helen, smiling, asked the man if he'd chosen a candidate.

海伦微笑着问那个人是否选择了候选人。

John McCain, he said.

约翰·麦凯恩，他说。

And can I ask why?

我可以问为什么吗？

You think he's a Muslim.

你认为他是穆斯林。

You're not ready for a black man.

你还没有准备好迎接黑人。

Well, he's half white.

嗯，他有一半白人血统。

This was not the conversation I'd imagined when I first heard Richard Trumka give that stirring address on the need to stand up to prejudice.

当我第一次听到理查德·特鲁姆卡就必须勇敢地面对偏见发表激动人心的演讲时，我想象中的对话并不是这样的。

And I don't mean Helen backed down, because she didn't.

我并不是说海伦退缩了，因为她没有退缩。

In fact, what she did next is exactly what union organizers have told me a person in her situation should do.

事实上，她接下来所做的正是工会组织者告诉我像她这样的人应该做的。

She didn't call the man a racist.

她没有称该男子为种族主义者。

She changed the subject from race to the issues, and started trying to persuade the man that voting for Barack Obama was simply in his best interest.

她将话题从种族转向了问题，并开始试图说服那个人，投票给巴拉克·奥巴马只是符合他的最大利益。

McCain is not union-friendly.

麦凯恩对工会并不友好。

He voted for NAFTA and CAFTA.

他投票支持北美自由贸易协定和中美洲自由贸易协定。

He sides with big oil over working families, wants to privatize social security.

他站在工薪家庭的一边，希望将社会保障私有化。

Well, you know what, she is-- she was.

嗯，你知道吗，她是——她是。

She was great on our issues, and I have to tell you that, if you check out, Barack Obama's very similar, and now that she's supporting him.

她在我们的问题上表现得很好，我必须告诉你，如果你检查一下，巴拉克·奥巴马非常相似，而且现在她支持他。

And especially if you're a union worker-- and Barack Obama is not a Muslim.

尤其是如果你是一名工会工人——而巴拉克·奥巴马不是穆斯林。

He's a Christian.

他是基督徒。

When you actually hear one of these conversations, you realize they're not always particularly eloquent or uplifting.

当你真正听到这些对话时，你会意识到它们并不总是特别雄辩或令人振奋。

They can be awkward and frustrating, and even a little wonky.

他们可能会感到尴尬和沮丧，甚至有点不稳定。

In the end, after seven minutes on the phone with Helen, the guy who wasn't, quote, "ready to vote for a black man," had moved from John McCain to undecided.

最终，在与海伦通了七分钟电话后，那个没有准备好投票给黑人的人从约翰·麦凯恩变成了犹豫不决。

I'll put you down for undecided, sir.

我会因为你犹豫不决而对你失望，先生。

Nice talking with you.

很高兴与你交谈。

And even that much progress took a lot of effort, not to mention patience and confidence, and a degree of nerve not everyone has.

即使取得如此大的进步，也需要付出很大的努力，更不用说耐心和信心，以及不是每个人都有的勇气。

I can't do it, one woman, a shop steward, told me, right after she heard Trumka's speech at a training.

“我做不到，”一位女士，一位商店服务员，在一次培训中听到特鲁姆卡的演讲后告诉我。

I'd be intimidated if they said they couldn't vote for someone who's black.

如果他们说不能投票给黑人，我会感到害怕。

And I've seen even the most fearless talkers hit a wall when race comes up.

我见过即使是最无所畏惧的谈话者在种族问题上也会碰壁。

At the same union hall in Johnstown where I met Helen, I listened to a group of guys from the Laborers Union Local 910 work a phone bank for Obama.

在我遇见海伦的约翰斯敦工会大厅里，我听到一群来自劳工联盟当地 910 的人为奥巴马做电话银行工作。

Incidentally, if you're one of those people who still thinks the phrase, white male union member from Pennsylvania, is a euphemism for, won't vote for the black guy, you clearly haven't been to a union phone bank lately.

顺便说一句，如果您仍然认为“来自宾夕法尼亚州的白人男性工会成员”这句话是“不会投票给黑人”的委婉说法，那么您最近显然没有去过工会电话银行。

I listened to one of them, Barry, single-handedly convert one undecided union voter after another to his side.

我听到他们中的一位，巴里，单枪匹马地将一个又一个犹豫不决的工会选民转变为他的一边。

Well, what's the problem with Obama?

那么，奥巴马有什么问题呢？

Uh-huh.

嗯嗯。

That tough times are scary.

那个艰难的时刻是可怕的。

So why would you want to put the same thing back in there?

那么你为什么要把同样的东西放回去呢？

I would think-- My bottom line is, you know, do you want four more years of Bush in there?

我会想——我的底线是，你知道，你希望布什再在位四年吗？

And that's more or less what you're going to get with McCain in there, I think.

我想，这或多或少就是麦凯恩加入后你会得到的结果。

Yeah.

是的。

Put me down for Obama, the guy said.

那家伙说，让我支持奥巴马。

But a little later, Barry had a conversation that didn't end so well.

但过了一会儿，巴里的谈话却没有那么顺利地结束。

I called a member, and I asked him who he was going to vote for.

我打电话给一名成员，问他要投票给谁。

And he said, not Obama.

他说，不是奥巴马。

And I said, why is that?

我说，这是为什么？

And he said, I'm prejudiced.

他说，我有偏见。

And how do I argue with that?

我该如何反驳这一点呢？

You know?

你知道？

What'd you say?

你说什么？

Barry I didn't say anything.

巴里，我什么也没说。

I said, OK, thank you.

我说，好的，谢谢。

I don't think you're going to talk him out of it.

我不认为你会说服他放弃这件事。

I don't think I would.

我想我不会。

If I don't know them, I don't think they're going to listen to me.

如果我不认识他们，我想他们不会听我的。

Ray, another guy working the phones, chimes in.

雷，另一个负责电话的人插话道。

They're not afraid to tell you that, so they're not going to change.

他们不怕告诉你这一点，所以他们不会改变。

Just like an old woman with abortion issues, she's not going to change.

就像一个有堕胎问题的老妇人一样，她不会改变。

A gun nut's the same way.

枪狂也是同样的道理。

He ain't going to change.

他不会改变。

Those are three issues right now you aren't going to change people.

现在这三个问题是你无法改变的。

So, this idea that, OK, members have to be taking on the race issue with members, unrealistic?

那么，成员必须与成员一起解决种族问题的想法不现实吗？

I mean, you could try, but you're not going to get them.

我的意思是，你可以尝试，但你不会得到它们。

They're not going to turn over because you say, hey, this is the way to vote.

他们不会因为你说，嘿，这就是投票的方式而改变立场。

They're going to say, hey, this is what I feel in my heart and this is what I'm sticking with.

他们会说，嘿，这就是我内心的感受，这就是我所坚持的。

I have no idea how many people have been in Ray or Barry or Helen's shoes, confronted by somebody bold enough to admit, with little or no coaxing, that the problem with Obama is his race.

我不知道有多少人曾经历过雷、巴里或海伦的处境，面对那些勇敢地承认奥巴马的问题在于他的种族的人，几乎没有或根本没有哄骗。

I've talked to people who say they've never had this happen, and people who say they've heard it a lot.

我和一些人交谈过，他们说他们从未经历过这种情况，也有人说他们听过很多次。

A union organizer who's traveled the state told me that one in 10 voters he talked to said something to his face about Obama's skin color, only they don't always put it in such civilized terms.

一位走遍该州的工会组织者告诉我，与他交谈过的选民中有十分之一当面谈论过奥巴马的肤色，只是他们并不总是用如此文明的措辞来表达。

Mike Harms, a bus operator with the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 85 in Pittsburgh, saw this firsthand while canvassing recently.

匹兹堡 Amalgamated Transit Union Local 85 的巴士运营商 Mike Harms 最近在游说时亲眼目睹了这一情况。

I had a guy, he actually came right out and told me, I ain't voting for no effin' N-word.

我有一个人，他真的直接出来告诉我，我不会投票给任何恶毒的词。

To tell you the truth, the way he said it, I mean, my jaw actually dropped a little bit.

说实话，听他这么说，我的下巴都掉下来了。

So yeah, the first thing I countered with was, well, you see what's going on with the economy, if George Bush and/or John McCain had their way, they'd privatize social security, and where would you be now?

所以，是的，我反驳的第一件事是，好吧，你看经济正在发生什么，如果乔治·布什和/或约翰·麦凯恩如愿，他们会将社会保障私有化，那么你现在会在哪里？

And then we hit on a couple pension issues and some health care stuff.

然后我们谈到了一些养老金问题和一些医疗保健问题。

And he listened?

他听了吗？

Mike Harms Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

迈克·哈姆斯 噢，是的，绝对，绝对。

He actually invited me into his home.

他实际上邀请我去他家。

Really?

真的吗？

Mike Harms Yeah, yeah.

迈克·哈姆斯 是的，是的。

So, after about 15 or 20 minutes of talking issues with him, he sort of came around.

因此，在与他讨论了大约 15 或 20 分钟后，他就改变了态度。

Now, he told me that he was going to think about it.

现在，他告诉我他会考虑一下。

I don't think that it actually it 100% changed his mind, but when I first approached the door, he was absolutely 100% he wasn't voting for a black person.

我不认为这实际上 100% 改变了他的想法，但当我第一次走近门口时，他绝对 100% 他不会投票给黑人。

We in this room are not going to solve the race issue in America.

我们在这个房间里不会解决美国的种族问题。

This is a 200-year-old wound with a 60-year scab on it, right?

这是200年的伤口，上面还结了60年的痂吧？

That's Michael Fedor, a union organizer in central Pennsylvania, teaching a training session I attended in Johnstown last month.

那是迈克尔·费多尔，宾夕法尼亚州中部的工会组织者，正在教授我上个月在约翰斯敦参加的培训课程。

Michael's message to union members was utterly practical: some people's minds can't be changed no matter what you tell them, and the best way to sway the others is with the facts.

迈克尔向工会成员传达的信息非常实际：有些人的想法无论你告诉他们什么都无法改变，而影响其他人的最好方法就是用事实。

He cited research showing that the more union members know about Obama's record and positions, the more they like him.

他引用的研究表明，工会成员越了解奥巴马的记录和职位，他们就越喜欢他。

Unions have gone to a lot of effort and expense this year to get that message out, with all sorts of mailings and voter guides and videos that emphasize Obama's support for labor and the working class.

今年，工会花费了大量的精力和费用来传达这一信息，通过各种邮件、选民指南和视频来强调奥巴马对劳工和工人阶级的支持。

Like this one from the building and construction trades.

就像建筑行业的这一件一样。

It's time we had a president who didn't choke saying the word "union." It's not that hard.

是时候我们有一位在说出“联盟”这个词时不会哽咽的总统了。这并不难。

Union.

联盟。

See?

看？

Nothing happens.

什么也没发生。

Union.

联盟。

It's all right.

没关系。

You see, brothers and sisters, there's not a single good reason for any worker, especially any union member, to vote against Barack Obama.

你们看，兄弟姐妹们，任何工人，尤其是工会成员，都没有充分的理由投票反对巴拉克·奥巴马。

There's only one really bad reason to vote against him, because he's not white.

只有一个非常糟糕的理由投票反对他，因为他不是白人。

This is a nonpartisan commercial from the American Federation of Government Employees.

这是美国政府雇员联合会的无党派广告。

There are 100 good reasons for how you vote this year, and only one bad reason: prejudice.

今年你如何投票有 100 个好的理由，只有一个不好的理由：偏见。

Let's talk about the real issues.

我们来谈谈真正的问题。

This is a training tape from the United Steelworkers.

这是美国钢铁工人联合会的培训磁带。

If you closed your eyes and listen to Barack Obama, you walk away and you say, that's my guy.

如果你闭上眼睛听巴拉克·奥巴马(Barack Obama)讲话，你会走开并说，那是我的人。

98% voting record for labor on labor's issues.

在劳工问题上，工党的投票记录为 98%。

That's why we back him.

这就是我们支持他的原因。

John McCain, 15%.

约翰·麦凯恩，15%。

But for all the statistics and talking points, what I realized, listening to union members in Pennsylvania, is that when you're actually face to face with people who say they won't vote for your candidate because he's black, you're on your own.

但对于所有的统计数据和谈话要点，我在听取宾夕法尼亚州工会成员的意见后意识到，当你真正面对面地面对那些说他们不会投票给你的候选人，因为他是黑人时，你就只能靠自己了。

You have to muddle through and figure out your own way to do it, to navigate this touchy emotional subject, with people whose beliefs may never have been challenged before.

你必须应付过去，找出自己的方法来做到这一点，与那些信仰可能从未受到挑战的人一起处理这个敏感的情感话题。

And union members are doing this.

工会成员正在这样做。

Some have had so much practice that now they've got their response lines down cold, their own favorite combinations of issues and zingers.

有些人已经进行了如此多的练习，现在他们已经掌握了自己的反应路线，他们自己最喜欢的问题和搞笑的组合。

They try everything from, if you were drowning, wouldn't you let a black guy save you?

他们想尽一切办法，如果你溺水了，你不会让黑人来救你吗？

To, white guys have messed this country up plenty, so why not give a black man a chance?

白人已经把这个国家搞得一团糟，为什么不给黑人一个机会呢？

I heard one union official quote a Chris Rock line, "was America ready for a black baseball player in the '40s?

我听到一位工会官员引用了克里斯·洛克的一句话：“美国准备好迎接 40 年代的黑人棒球运动员了吗？

No, but Jackie Robinson was better than everyone."

不，但杰基·罗宾逊比所有人都好。”

And then there was the union local president, who said he actually got out a globe to prove to an elderly relative that no less a revered figure than Jesus must have been black.

然后是当地工会主席，他说他实际上拿出了一个地球仪，向一位年长的亲戚证明，像耶稣一样受人尊敬的人物一定是黑人。

Here he is, Wendell Young IV, explaining to members of the United Food and Commercial Workers Local 1776, how he made that argument.

温德尔·杨四世 (Wendell Young IV) 正在向当地 1776 食品和商业工人联合会的成员解释他是如何提出这一论点的。

It's OK for God to send a black Jesus to save your ass, but it's not OK to vote for a guy for president who's going to make sure you have health care, protect your pension, do those other things.

上帝派一个黑人耶稣来拯救你是可以的，但投票给一个要确保你有医疗保健、保护你的养老金、做其他事情的人当总统就不行了。

And by the way, if I'm wrong, who's going to be able to prove it?

顺便说一句，如果我错了，谁能证明这一点？

But here's one thing, if you're a Christian and you believe in the teachings of Christ, Christ wouldn't have cared whether he was black.

但有一件事，如果你是基督徒并且相信基督的教义，基督就不会关心他是否是黑人。

Wouldn't have cared.

本来不会在意​​的。

[APPLAUSE] Lisa Pollak A couple people even told me that, as a last ditch effort, when they can't change the subject to the issues because race is the voter's only issue, they'll ask the person to please consider not voting for a president at all.

[掌声]丽莎·波拉克（Lisa Pollak） 有几个人甚至告诉我，作为最后的努力，当他们因为种族是选民唯一的问题而无法改变话题时，他们会要求这个人考虑根本不投票给总统。

The most intense conversations I heard about weren't between strangers on a phone line or a front porch, but face to face between coworkers and friends.

我听到的最激烈的对话不是电话线上或前廊上的陌生人之间的，而是同事和朋友之间面对面的。

In my search for people willing to share their stories from the field, I was introduced to a man named Dan, who's not from Pennsylvania but from Maryland, where he's in the Steamfitters Union.

在我寻找愿意分享现场故事的人时，我认识了一个名叫丹的人，他不是来自宾夕法尼亚州，而是来自马里兰州，他是马里兰州的 Steamfitters Union 成员。

He told me about a conversation he had with a friend about the election.

他向我讲述了他与一位朋友关于选举的一次谈话。

You know, I asked him, I say, dude, what about Barack Obama?

你知道，我问他，我说，伙计，巴拉克·奥巴马呢？

You know what I mean?

你知道我的意思？

He's a union guy.

他是工会成员。

You're a union guy.

你是工会的人。

You've kind of got to help us out here.

你必须在这里帮助我们。

And Mike's going, well I'm not voting for this black guy.

迈克走了，我不会投票给这个黑人。

And the specifics were that he'd had problems.

具体来说，他遇到了问题。

He's got young daughters, and they go to school, and he picks them up at the bus stop and he sees them playing with a lot of blacks.

他有年幼的女儿，她们去上学，他在公共汽车站接她们，他看到她们和很多黑人一起玩耍。

And that bothers him.

这让他很烦恼。

And I said, Mike, dude, it's-- you know, he's just a racist.

我说，迈克，伙计，你知道，他只是一个种族主义者。

I mean, it's terrible.

我的意思是，这太可怕了。

Well, yeah.

嗯，是的。

Well, Mike, I said, you've got to get past this.

好吧，迈克，我说，你必须克服这个困难。

I said, this is crazy.

我说，这太疯狂了。

If you let race get in the way of what's going to happen with your future, I said, you're just, you're being an idiot about it.

如果你让种族妨碍你的未来，我说，你就是个白痴。

And I was starting to get a little bit angry, because I've known this guy for several years, and I never knew the way that he felt.

我开始有点生气，因为我认识这个人好几年了，但我从来不知道他的感受。

And it was offensive to me, the way that he talked about it.

他谈论这件事的方式让我感到冒犯。

And you told him so.

你也这么告诉了他。

Dan Absolutely, absolutely.

丹 绝对，绝对。

And he goes, well, dude, that's the way it is.

他说，好吧，伙计，事情就是这样。

You live your life, you see things the way you do and I see things the way I do.

你过你的生活，你以你的方式看待事物，我也以我的方式看待事物。

I said, yeah, but Mike, you've got to get past this not only for this election but with your life.

我说，是的，但是迈克，你必须克服这个问题，不仅是为了这次选举，而且是为了你的生活。

I mean, you know, you work with black guys, with several people that we know, and you never have a problem with them.

我的意思是，你知道，你和黑人一起工作，和几个我们认识的人一起工作，你和他们从来没有问题。

And he goes, well, on the job I've got to work with them.

然后他就开始了我必须和他们一起工作的工作。

I said, well, I see you, you sit there and eat lunch with them, you joke around, and play around.

我说，好吧，我看到你了，你坐在那里和他们一起吃午饭，你开玩笑，玩耍。

That's not work.

那不是工作。

You do that, you don't dislike those guys.

你这样做，你就不会讨厌那些家伙。

He goes, well, he goes, I'll look at the information and everything, and we can talk about this later.

他走了，好吧，他走了，我会看看信息和一切，我们稍后再讨论这个。

But he goes, I just don't think I'm going to do it.

但他走了，我只是觉得我不会这么做。

I'm just not going to do it.

我只是不会这么做。

I'm not going to have a black man in there.

我不会让黑人在那里。

He said, the next thing you know, you'll have Jesse Jackson as secretary of state and Al Sharpton in the Department of the Treasury.

他说，接下来你就会知道，杰西·杰克逊将担任国务卿，阿尔·夏普顿将担任财政部长。

He thinks that Barack Obama's going to flood all his cabinets with all these black radicals.

他认为巴拉克·奥巴马将让所有这些黑人激进分子涌入他的所有内阁。

He told you that?

他告诉你的？

Dan Oh, absolutely, yes.

丹哦，绝对是的。

I said, come on, Mike.

我说，来吧，迈克。

You can't be serious.

你不可能是认真的。

This is the president of the United-- This is going to be the president of the United States.

这是美国总统——这将是美国总统。

It's not a game.

这不是游戏。

And he goes, well, that's the way I feel about it.

他说，嗯，这就是我的感受。

And I said, well, I'm sorry to hear you say that, Mike.

我说，好吧，我很遗憾听到你这么说，迈克。

No, absolutely no. No, not at all.

不，绝对不。不，一点也不。

I kind of wish I hadn't of gotten into this the way that I have, because it's shown me sides of people that I've worked with and known for many years that I had no idea were like this.

我有点希望我没有像现在这样陷入困境，因为它向我展示了与我共事多年的人的侧面，而我多年来并不知道他们是这样的。

And it hurts me, because these people were my-- are my friends.

这让我很伤心，因为这些人是我的朋友。

And to finally-- I feel betrayed, honestly.

最后——老实说，我感到被背叛了。

I would end the story there, were it not for all the people who've insisted to me, that as disappointing as it can be, speaking up is always worth it.

如果不是所有坚持让我相信的人，我的故事就到此为止了，尽管这可能令人失望，但发声总是值得的。

One of those people is John Cunnard, a machine operator and president of United Steelworkers Local 1211, in Beaver County, Pennsylvania.

其中之一是约翰·坎纳德 (John Cunard)，他是宾夕法尼亚州比弗县的机器操作员和 United Steelworkers Local 1211 的总裁。

He says he's had a lot of these conversations with his members the past few months.

他说，过去几个月他与会员进行了很多这样的对话。

He's got his own favorite tactics and comebacks.

他有自己最喜欢的战术和反击。

And he's seen them work.

他亲眼目睹了它们的运作。

I've got a few people down there that I thought would never go for Obama, but they're on my side.

我认为那里有一些人永远不会支持奥巴马，但他们站在我这边。

They're pushing Obama.

他们正在推动奥巴马。

John, of all people, should know voters can change.

在所有人中，约翰应该知道选民是可以改变的。

During the Pennsylvania primary, he was a fierce supporter of Hillary Clinton.

在宾夕法尼亚州初选期间，他是希拉里·克林顿的坚定支持者。

But when Obama got the nomination, John joined the ranks of the undecided, worried about Obama's lack of experience, even though he knew that Hillary and Obama had much more in common than Hillary and McCain.

但当奥巴马获得提名后，约翰也加入了犹豫不决的行列，担心奥巴马缺乏经验，尽管他知道希拉里和奥巴马比希拉里和麦凯恩有更多的共同点。

To my surprise, John said he still might be undecided if he hadn't gone to a union meeting and heard none other than Richard Trumka bring up the subject of race.

令我惊讶的是，约翰说，如果他没有参加工会会议并听到理查德·特鲁姆卡（Richard Trumka）提出种族问题，他可能仍然犹豫不决。

When he got up there and started talking, there was no doubt in your mind that he was talking black and white, and he wanted you to think about whether you're going to vote for this guy or not vote for him because he's black.

当他站起来开始讲话时，你心里毫无疑问他说的是非黑即白，他希望你考虑是否要投票给这个人，还是因为他是黑人而不投票给他。

And I started thinking about it.

我开始思考这个问题。

I'm sitting there thinking, well, damn, I really don't discriminate against anybody, but who knows.

我坐在那里想，好吧，该死，我真的不歧视任何人，但谁知道呢。

But it made me look at the whole situation.

但这让我看清了整个情况。

And eliminating color out of it, which one of these two would I rather have as president?

并消除其中的色彩，我更愿意让这两者中的哪一位担任总统？

So once I eliminated color, then it was Obama.

所以一旦我消除了颜色，那就是奥巴马了。

Well, I just sat there and said, well, yeah, you're right.

嗯，我只是坐在那里说，嗯，是的，你是对的。

See, so a lot of people don't think about it, because everybody sits there and says, not me.

你看，很多人都没有考虑这个问题，因为每个人都坐在那里说，而不是我。

John told me he's never put as much effort into pushing a candidate as he has this year.

约翰告诉我，他从来没有像今年那样付出如此多的努力来推动候选人。

And I get the feeling that goes for a lot of union members in Pennsylvania.

我感受到宾夕法尼亚州许多工会成员的感受。

According to polling numbers from the AFL-CIO, Obama's lead over McCain among union households in Pennsylvania rose 11 points between mid-August and early October.

根据 AFL-CIO 的民意调查数据，从 8 月中旬到 10 月初，奥巴马在宾夕法尼亚州工会家庭中的支持率领先于麦凯恩 11 个百分点。

That poll gave McCain 27% of those voters, and Obama, 63%.

在那次民意调查中，麦凯恩获得了 27% 的选民支持，奥巴马获得了 63% 的支持率。

Lisa Pollak.

丽莎·波拉克。

Coming up, we take another turn around the state, and along the way we checked back in with the college students and the Democrats for McCain that we heard from earlier.

接下来，我们又在该州周围转了一圈，一路上我们与早些时候听到的麦凯恩的大学生和民主党人进行了交流。

That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.

稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。

It's This American Life .

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Today, with a week to go before election day, we are spending the hour in one of the hottest battleground states this year, Pennsylvania, to see how the ground war is playing out there.

今天，距离选举日还有一周时间，我们将在今年最热门的战场州之一宾夕法尼亚州度过一小时，看看那里的地面战争是如何进行的。

Earlier in this hour, we heard college students who were struggling to make their voter registration goal for Barack Obama.

早些时候，我们听到大学生们正在努力实现巴拉克·奥巴马的选民登记目标。

That goal was 21,000 new student voters, and it was not going well.

该目标是吸引 21,000 名新学生选民，但进展并不顺利。

Sarah Koenig picks up the action where we left off, with one of the volunteers she's following, one who is incredibly skilled at getting registrations, Casey Miller.

莎拉·科尼格 (Sarah Koenig) 和她跟随的一位志愿者凯西·米勒 (Casey Miller) 一起继续我们上次停下的行动，凯西·米勒 (Casey Miller) 是一位非常擅长注册的志愿者。

Casey basically lives in the Obama office.

凯西基本上住在奥巴马办公室。

She's earned her own corner there.

她在那里赢得了自己的一席之地。

She's got a little desk with a vase of dying flowers on it, sent by her mother for her birthday.

她有一张小桌子，上面有一瓶即将凋谢的鲜花，是她母亲送给她的生日礼物。

And there's her computer.

还有她的电脑。

Four backpacks are lying around, cigarettes, nail polish.

周围散落着四个背包、香烟、指甲油。

She keeps a curling iron in the bathroom.

她在浴室里放了一个卷发棒。

She dropped three of her six mechanical engineering classes to do this, and she's way behind on the ones she didn't drop.

为此，她放弃了六门机械工程课程中的三门，而对于那些她没有放弃的课程来说，她已经远远落后了。

She didn't plan on any of this.

这些她都没有打算。

She's not someone who ever worked on campaigns before, but she took it pretty hard when John Kerry lost.

她以前没有参与过竞选活动，但当约翰·克里失败后，她感到非常难过。

I cried when Bush won in '04.

04年布什获胜时我哭了。

Sarah Koenig Oh, you did?

莎拉·柯尼格 哦，你做到了？

Oh yeah, yeah, all night.

哦，是啊，是啊，整个晚上。

I just balled my eyes out.

我简直瞪大了眼睛。

It was just awful.

太糟糕了。

I called my mom crying.

我哭着给妈妈打电话。

I couldn't believe it.

我简直不敢相信。

And I lost a lot of faith in this country when we reelected him.

当我们再次选举他时，我对这个国家失去了很多信心。

I don't understand how.

我不明白怎么办。

The fact that we made the same mistake twice, just, that's what basically turned me off from the whole politics thing.

事实上，我们犯了两次同样的错误，这基本上就是让我对整个政治事物失去兴趣的原因。

I kind of threw myself into engineering, lived in the bubble of Penn State, and really didn't worry about anything outside of school and my social life and whatever.

我有点投身于工程学，生活在宾夕法尼亚州立大学的泡沫中，真的不担心学校之外的任何事情和我的社交生活等等。

And then, as things got progressively worse, that's when I decided, yeah, I want to start volunteering with the Obama campaign.

然后，随着事情变得越来越糟，我决定，是的，我想开始为奥巴马竞选做志愿者。

It was probably June when I decided that I wanted to do that.

大概是在六月的时候我决定要这样做。

I came in, in July, and haven't left.

我七月份进来的，还没离开。

Six days before the registration deadline, the campaign throws a party for all the volunteers.

报名截止日期前六天，活动为所有志愿者举办了一场聚会。

Outside the room, the registration thermometer is at about 14,000, 2/3 of the way toward their goal.

室外登记温度计约为 14,000，距离目标已完成 2/3。

There's a DJ, but people are so tired and rundown, no one dances, except, briefly, Casey.

有一位 DJ，但人们都那么疲惫、憔悴，没有人跳舞，除了凯西（Casey）短暂地跳舞。

Then, as some sort of scared straight motivation tool, they play them what passes for a campaign horror movie.

然后，作为某种害怕的直接激励工具，他们播放了一部竞选恐怖电影。

It's a fake video of NBC news anchor Tom Brokaw announcing a McCain victory.

这是 NBC 新闻主播汤姆·布罗考宣布麦凯恩获胜的虚假视频。

Afterwards, stunned silence.

随后，便是一片震惊的沉默。

It seems like the next logical thing is for everyone to burst into tears, but they quickly move on.

似乎下一个合乎逻辑的事情是让每个人都泪流满面，但他们很快就继续前进。

Next up is Jay Paterno, son of Penn State football coach slash legend, Joe Paterno.

接下来是杰伊·帕特诺，宾夕法尼亚州立大学橄榄球教练传奇人物乔·帕特诺的儿子。

Paterno the son is the team's quarterback coach, and he brings three football players along, two of them had to be registered on the spot.

儿子帕特诺是球队的四分卫教练，他带了三名足球运动员，其中两人必须现场注册。

Meanwhile, he delivers a halftime locker room pep talk to roughly 50 kids listening.

与此同时，他在中场休息时在更衣室里向大约 50 名聆听的孩子发表了鼓舞士气的讲话。

You've got six days left.

你还有六天时间。

And this is the toughest part of the election, guys.

伙计们，这是选举中最艰难的部分。

And where you guys are right now is you're in the middle of preseason practice, and preseason practice, quite frankly, sucks.

你们现在正处于季前训练中，坦率地说，季前训练很糟糕。

Am I lying?

我在撒谎吗？

No. It sucks.

不，这很糟糕。

OK?

好的？

Because it's all you do.

因为这就是你所做的一切。

And how good a football team we are in the fall depends on what we do in preseason practice.

我们秋季球队的表现有多好取决于我们在季前训练中的表现。

And how much Obama wins this thing by is going to be determined by what you guys do the next couple of weeks.

奥巴马在这件事上能赢得多少胜利将取决于你们接下来几周的行动。

His message is, don't stop, don't relax.

他的信息是，不要停止，不要放松。

And for the next six days, no one does.

在接下来的六天里，没有人这样做。

The workers are put in competition with each other.

工人们相互竞争。

Prizes are announced.

奖项公布。

And everyone starts fighting everyone else to boost their own numbers.

每个人都开始与其他人战斗以增加自己的数量。

People are encroaching on other people's turf.

人们正在侵占别人的地盘。

Some registrations are getting double counted.

一些注册被重复计算。

Someone is spotted swiping completed forms from another organization's drop box.

有人发现有人从另一个组织的投递箱中刷了填好的表格。

But, of course, this 11th-hour frenzy is choreographed by the campaign, because the last thing anyone wants at the end of all this is to have to admit that they didn't meet their goal.

但是，当然，这第 11 个小时的疯狂是竞选活动精心设计的，因为在这一切结束时，任何人最不想看到的就是不得不承认他们没有实现目标。

Though, in reality, the 21,000 goal has a cushion built in.

不过，事实上，21,000 人的目标有一个内置的缓冲。

It's more than Obama needs, but only people at the very top of the campaign know how much more.

这超出了奥巴马的需要，但只有竞选最高层的人知道还有多少。

It's Sunday night, October 5, the night before the deadline.

这是 10 月 5 日星期日晚上，截止日期的前一天晚上。

There's a party atmosphere in the campaign office, except everyone at the party is seriously sleep deprived, and also, working.

竞选办公室里充满了派对气氛，只不过派对上的每个人都严重睡眠不足，而且还在工作。

Zack Zabel, the head of Students for Barack Obama, comes in with some forms.

巴拉克·奥巴马 (Barack Obama) 学生会的负责人扎克·扎贝尔 (Zack Zabel) 带来了一些表格。

How many did you get?

你得到了多少？

Zack Zabel Seven, but that's like the fourth time I've done it today.

扎克·扎贝尔七号，但这已经是我今天第四次这样做了。

I'm all right.

我没事。

We should actually go out and do it on the streets right now, register voters.

我们实际上应该现在就出去走上街头，登记选民。

Keep going?

继续前进？

Zack Zabel Yeah.

扎克·扎贝尔 是的。

We only have like 15 hours.

我们只有大概15个小时。

If you listen closely, you can hear Ben Flatgard, the regional director, singing from his office.

如果你仔细听，你可以听到区域总监本·弗拉特加德（Ben Flatgard）在他的办公室里唱歌。

He's doing who knows what on his computer, coughing.

谁知道他正在电脑上做什么，咳嗽。

Then Casey comes in a few minutes before midnight.

然后凯西在午夜前几分钟到来。

She's been at some student apartment buildings, and now she's delivering her forms for the daily count.

她去过一些学生公寓，现在正在递交每日清点表格。

How many did you get?

你得到了多少？

Casey Miller I just brought back 32.

凯西·米勒 我刚带回来 32。

Tom and I, yeah, Tom's in.

汤姆和我，是的，汤姆在。

He--

他——

It's their best Sunday yet, but Casey's not comforted by this milestone.

这是他们迄今为止最好的周日，但凯西并没有因为这一里程碑而感到安慰。

It's exciting.

这很令人兴奋。

I mean, I'm really-- it's a little concerning because we registered 562 people today.

我的意思是，我真的有点担心，因为我们今天登记了 562 人。

Why weren't they registered before?

为什么他们之前没有注册？

Are there still people that are going to be not registered?

还有不予登记的人吗？

So, I'm just going to be the last person on the streets.

所以，我将成为街上最后一个人。

Casey goes back out to keep registering.

凯西回去继续登记。

It's past midnight now.

现在已经过了午夜了。

She heads to a crowded below-ground bar where there's a live band playing.

她前往一家拥挤的地下酒吧，那里有现场乐队演奏。

It's so loud I can barely record.

声音太大了我几乎无法录音。

Are are you all registered to vote at your current address?

你们都在当前地址登记投票了吗？

I assume she's going to want to leave, since no one can hear a word she's saying, but she stays and she gets 12 registrations.

我猜想她会想离开，因为没人能听到她说的一个字，但她留下来了，并获得了 12 个注册。

Are you registered to vote at your current State College address?

您是否在当前的州立大学地址登记投票？

Are you registered to vote at your current State College address?

您是否在当前的州立大学地址登记投票？

In the end, they didn't make their 21,000 goal, but they were close.

最终，他们没有实现 21,000 的目标，但已经很接近了。

They registered 16,904 students.

他们注册了 16,904 名学生。

And if you add in all the other groups, MoveOn, SEIU, Sierra Club, over 23,600 people were registered in the county.

如果算上所有其他团体（MoveOn、SEIU、Sierra Club），该县注册人数超过 23,600 人。

Casey, of course, registered more voters than anybody else, and won a prize: football tickets.

当然，凯西登记的选民比其他任何人都多，并赢得了奖品：足球门票。

As a result of all this work, Centre County now has over 100,000 voters for the first time ever.

由于所有这些工作，中心县现在首次拥有超过 100,000 名选民。

And also for the first time, Democrats outnumber Republicans in the county by 5,000 registrations.

该县的民主党登记人数也首次多出共和党 5,000 人。

Dianne Gregg, chairwoman of the County Democrats, is pretty happy.

县民主党主席黛安·格雷格 (Dianne Gregg) 非常高兴。

Her county, she says, is now in a position to have an enormous impact on the outcome of this election.

她说，她的县现在能够对这次选举的结果产生巨大影响。

Dianne keeps a poster of James Carville in her office to reminder of his infamous comment, that Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and Alabama in between.

黛安在她的办公室里保留了一张詹姆斯·卡维尔的海报，以提醒他臭名昭著的言论，即宾夕法尼亚州是费城，匹兹堡和阿拉巴马州之间。

Her goal, she said, is to make Carville regret that quote.

她说，她的目标是让卡维尔后悔这句话。

Sarah Koenig.

莎拉·科尼格.

And, before we go, let's take one last trip around the state, and turn from Obama volunteers to McCain volunteers.

在我们离开之前，让我们最后一次环游该州，从奥巴马志愿者转向麦凯恩志愿者。

Back at the beginning of this hour, we were in Scranton with our producer Nancy Updike, and the group, Democrats for McCain.

早些时候，我们和制片人南希·厄普代克以及民主党麦凯恩乐队在斯克兰顿。

If you remember, that group was going door to door, having remarkable success in nudging Democrats into the Republican column.

如果你还记得的话，这个团体挨家挨户地推销，在将民主党推入共和党阵营方面取得了巨大成功。

Now we return to Scranton.

现在我们返回斯克兰顿。

[INTERPOSING VOICES] Nancy Updike The Democrats for McCain office in Scranton is run by people who give serious chunks of their lives in service to others.

[插话] 南希·厄普代克 麦凯恩的民主党斯克兰顿办公室由那些将一生的大部分时间奉献给他人的人管理。

One woman who's been a foster parent for 22 years, another, covered in paint, who came to the McCain office straight from her stint at Habitat for Humanity, and Judy O'Connor, a 59-year-old single mother of three on a fixed income, who pared her life down to a financial minimum to help her son, a fireman and military veteran, achieve his dream of becoming a policeman.

一位女士已经当了 22 年的养父母，另一位浑身涂满油漆，从仁人家园工作后直接来到麦凯恩办公室，朱迪·奥康纳 (Judy O'Connor) 是一位 5​​9 岁的单身母亲，有三个孩子，靠固定收入，她把自己的生活压缩到最低限度，以帮助她的儿子实现成为一名警察的梦想。儿子是一名消防员和退伍军人。

All of them lifelong Democrats, never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in their lives.

他们都是终生的民主党人，一生中从未投票给共和党总统候选人。

We were staunch Hillary Clinton supporters.

我们是希拉里·克林顿的坚定支持者。

We worked Hillary's campaign.

我们为希拉里的竞选活动工作。

We traveled to other states with Hillary.

我们和希拉里一起去了其他州。

This is Judy O'Connor.

这是朱迪·奥康纳。

Judy O'Connor Matter of fact, we went to the DNC meeting in Washington, DC, and that's when our party, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, and the DNC, what we say, threw Hillary under the bus.

朱迪·奥康纳 事实上，我们参加了在华盛顿特区举行的民主党全国委员会会议，就在那时，我们的政党、南希·佩洛西、霍华德·迪恩和民主党全国委员会，我们所说的，把希拉里扔到了公共汽车下。

For Judy and everyone else here, the primary battle was not a tough fight with equally questionable maneuvers on both sides.

对于朱迪和这里的其他人来说，主要的战斗并不是一场艰苦的战斗，双方的策略同样值得怀疑。

Chris and others at the office talked about personally seeing Obama supporters at caucuses, especially Texas, keeping Hillary supporters out of caucus rooms, shouting at them, preventing them from bringing in Hillary signs, all of which, not surprisingly, they say is more egregious than any tactics used by the Clinton campaign.

克里斯和办公室的其他人谈到，亲自在党团会议上见到奥巴马的支持者，尤其是德克萨斯州的支持者，他们不让希拉里支持者进入党团会议房间，对他们大喊大叫，阻止他们带上希拉里的标语，毫不奇怪，他们说，所有这些比克林顿竞选团队使用的任何策略都更加令人震惊。

Challenges were filed at the Texas State Convention, but the relative unethicalness and, more important, the legality of what Chris and others saw, is hard to evaluate in the absence of a lawsuit, and no lawsuit charging caucus fraud by the Obama campaign has been filed nationally or in Texas.

在德克萨斯州代表大会上提出了质疑，但在没有提起诉讼的情况下，很难评估克里斯和其他人所看到的相对不道德行为，更重要的是，其合法性，而且全国或德克萨斯州还没有提起指控奥巴马竞选团队欺诈的诉讼。

The question I kept asking Judy and the others was, how does a person go from supporting a pro-choice candidate who gets a grade of 100 from unions and wants to raise the capital gains tax, to a pro-life candidate who gets a zero from unions and wants to cut the capital gains tax?

我一直问朱迪和其他人的问题是，一个人如何从支持一个在工会中得到 100 分并希望提高资本利得税的支持堕胎的候选人，变成一个在工会中得到零分并希望削减资本利得税的反堕胎候选人？

Everyone had his or her own answer, but no answer went without an enraged retelling of the primary fight, especially the day the Democratic National Committee divided up the delegates from Michigan and Florida, a compromise using debatable math and logic that seemed to a lot of people not just unfair but undemocratic.

每个人都有自己的答案，但没有一个答案不被激怒地重述初选，尤其是民主党全国委员会划分密歇根州和佛罗里达州代表的那天，这是一种使用有争议的数学和逻辑的妥协方案，对很多人来说，这不仅不公平，而且不民主。

And we found ourselves having to decide between the two candidates left.

我们发现自己必须在剩下的两名候选人之间做出决定。

And Hillary Clinton said, let's compare resumes, and that's exactly what we did.

希拉里·克林顿说，让我们比较一下简历，我们也正是这么做的。

We compared Hillary's with John McCain.

我们将希拉里与约翰·麦凯恩进行了比较。

It was very impressive.

这是非常令人印象深刻的。

We looked at Obama's and there was nothing there.

我们看了奥巴马的，那里什么也没有。

I mean, he was in, what, in the Senate 143 days, and the rest of the time he spent on his campaign, working his campaign.

我的意思是，他在参议院待了 143 天，剩下的时间他都花在了竞选活动上。

So, I mean, there isn't experience there.

所以，我的意思是，那里没有经验。

I mean, even when I watch John McCain on TV, whenever he's speaking, I honestly, honestly can say I trust him and I feel the man is genuine.

我的意思是，即使当我在电视上观看约翰·麦凯恩时，每当他讲话时，我都可以诚实地、诚实地说我信任他，我觉得这个人是真诚的。

I truly feel he's genuine.

我真的感觉他很真诚。

I have tried.

我已经尝试过了。

I'm not going to say, as a Democrat, I'm not going to say that I haven't tried to listen to Obama and be open-minded.

我不会说，作为一名民主党人，我不会说我没有尝试倾听奥巴马的意见并持开放态度。

I've tried.

我试过了。

I do not, I do not, less and less do I trust him.

我不，我不，我越来越不信任他了。

And I'm worried.

我很担心。

I'm very worried for our country if he gets elected.

如果他当选，我为我们的国家感到非常担心。

This was a theme with everyone I talked to.

这是我交谈过的每个人的主题。

I like John McCain, but more than that, I'm worried about Obama, worse than worried, scared.

我喜欢约翰·麦凯恩，但更重要的是，我担心奥巴马，比担心、害怕更糟糕。

In four days, I heard a lot of fear and some outlandish theories, that George Soros orchestrated the global financial crisis to give Obama a boost in the election, that Palestinian professor Rashid Khalidi secretly paid for Obama's Harvard education, possibly related to a terror financing scheme, that Obama is a crypto-Marxist, a socialist who will somehow take over the world economy, and most spectacularly, Judy met someone on the campaign trail named Larry Sinclair, a man with a 27-year criminal record, a 16-year prison stint for forgery, and 13 aliases, who's been going around saying Obama is a homosexual, a crack cocaine user, and possibly, a murderer.

在四天的时间里，我听到了很多恐惧和一些稀奇古怪的理论，比如乔治·索罗斯精心策划了全球金融危机，以帮助奥巴马在选举中获胜；巴勒斯坦教授拉希德·哈利迪秘密支付了奥巴马的哈佛学费，可能与恐怖分子融资计划有关；奥巴马是一个隐秘的马克思主义者，一个将以某种方式接管世界经济的社会主义者；最引人注目的是，朱迪在竞选过程中遇到了一个名叫拉里·辛克莱的人，他与一名有27年犯罪记录的人在一起。记录，因伪造文件被判入狱 16 年，还有 13 个化名，他一直在到处说奥巴马是同性恋、强效可卡因吸食者，甚至可能是杀人犯。

Do you believe it?

你相信吗？

Judy O'Connor I don't know what to-- you know, I want to believe in my country.

朱迪·奥康纳 我不知道该怎么办——你知道，我想相信我的国家。

I want to believe in the people who want to be in our government.

我想相信那些想加入我们政府的人。

But did I question in my mind?

但我心里有疑问吗？

Yes, I did.

是的，我做到了。

And when I went home, I got back on the internet and researched a little bit more, and everything that Larry Sinclair said to us was true.

当我回家后，我又上网并做了更多研究，拉里·辛克莱对我们说的一切都是真的。

Is there anything you've heard about Obama, any sort of rumor that you don't believe, you feel like, ah, that's not true?

你是否听说过任何关于奥巴马的事情，任何你不相信的谣言，你觉得，啊，那不是真的？

I didn't want to believe that.

我不想相信这一点。

I really didn't.

我真的没有。

I didn't want to believe that.

我不想相信这一点。

And, like I said, to this day, I still don't know if I do or I don't, but it makes you stop and wonder.

而且，就像我说的，直到今天，我仍然不知道我是否这样做，但这让你停下来思考。

The thing all these Obama stories made me stop and think was, this reminds me of how people used to talk about the Clintons.

所有这些奥巴马的故事让我停下来思考的是，这让我想起人们过去如何谈论克林顿夫妇。

Thieves, murderers.

小偷、杀人犯。

Hillary Clinton a lesbian, a radical, her college thesis on Saul Alinsky, her health care plan a socialist takeover.

希拉里·克林顿是一个女同性恋，一个激进分子，她的大学论文是关于索尔·阿林斯基的，她的医疗保健计划是社会主义的接管。

It was as though disagreeing on policy was simply not enough for some people to express just how alien the Clintons seemed.

就好像政策上的分歧不足以让一些人表达克林顿夫妇看起来有多么陌生。

So if winning over Democrats is key to McCain winning Pennsylvania, how can we estimate the number of Democrats who are in fact turning to McCain?

因此，如果赢得民主党的支持是麦凯恩赢得宾夕法尼亚州的关键，那么我们如何估计实际上转向麦凯恩的民主党人数呢？

Until the election, all we've got to go on is, insert gagging sound here, polls.

在选举之前，我们要做的就是在这里插入堵嘴的声音，民意调查。

A Pew Research poll last month said only 12% of Hillary Clinton supporters nationwide said they'd vote for McCain.

皮尤研究中心上个月的一项民意调查显示，全国只有 12% 的希拉里·克林顿支持者表示他们会投票给麦凯恩。

And a more recent Pew survey said only 4% of Democrats support McCain.

皮尤研究中心最近的一项调查显示，只有 4% 的民主党人支持麦凯恩。

Polls, of course, are frequently, and sometimes wildly wrong.

当然，民意调查经常出错，有时甚至是大错特错。

Nancy Updike.

南希·厄普代克。

Act 6 Steve Corbett Some people didn't see the sunshine the day after the Weather Underground attacked America.

第六幕 史蒂夫·科贝特 地下气象组织袭击美国后的第二天，有些人没有看到阳光。

I'm Corbett.

我是科贝特。

I had a caller yesterday who--

昨天我接到一个电话，他——

While spending weeks in Pennsylvania, we listened to talk radio around the state, and we close our program today with this air check from WILK-FM, 1300 AM, in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre/Hazleton.

在宾夕法尼亚州呆了几周的时间里，我们收听了全州各地的谈话广播，今天我们以上午 1300 点在斯克兰顿/威尔克斯-巴里/黑泽尔顿的 WILK-FM 进行的空中检查结束了我们的节目。

On October 8, their local drive time host Steve Corbett spent his whole air shift talking about Bill Ayers and Bill Ayers' association with Barack Obama.

10 月 8 日，他们当地的驾车时间主持人史蒂夫·科贝特 (Steve Corbett) 整个空中轮班时间都在谈论比尔·艾尔斯 (Bill Ayers) 以及比尔·艾尔斯 (Bill Ayers) 与巴拉克·奥巴马 (Barack Obama) 的关系。

My dad was a cop.

我的父亲是一名警察。

I said it before and I'll say it again.

我以前说过，我还会再说一遍。

And there are other cops, who, because of the Weather Underground, founded by Bill Ayers, Barack Obama's buddy, did not see the sunshine.

还有其他警察，由于巴拉克·奥巴马的好友比尔·艾尔斯创立的“地下气象组织”，他们没有看到阳光。

It's relevant.

这是相关的。

And I welcome Barack Obama supporters to call us today and defend Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

我欢迎巴拉克·奥巴马的支持者今天打电话给我们，为比尔·艾尔斯和伯纳丁·多恩辩护。

I beg them.

我求他们。

Call me and defend, on behalf of your candidate--

打电话给我并代表你的候选人辩护——

Then, for the next four hours, from 3:00 in the afternoon to 7:00, he got this huge range of callers taking every position on this.

然后，在接下来的四个小时内，从下午 3:00 到 7:00，他接到了大量的来电者对此采取的各种立场。

One woman worried that Obama would make Bill Ayers secretary of education.

一位女士担心奥巴马会让比尔·艾尔斯担任教育部长。

A man accused Corbett of finding fault with Obama only because he, Corbett, had wanted a woman president, that is, Hillary.

一名男子指责科贝特对奥巴马挑刺，只是因为他科贝特想要一位女总统，即希拉里。

There was a long conversation with a guy who once lived in a house that the Weather Underground bombed.

与一个曾经住在被地下天气轰炸的房子里的人进行了长时间的交谈。

And then, towards the end of all this, there was this call.

然后，就在这一切即将结束时，接到了这个电话。

The free for all continues.

所有人的免费仍在继续。

Dave, caller from Wilkes-Barre, you're in the free for all.

戴夫（Dave），来自威尔克斯巴里（Wilkes-Barre）的来电者，您免费。

Welcome, you're on the air.

欢迎您，您正在直播。

How are you doing, Steve?

你好吗，史蒂夫？

Steve Corbett Good.

史蒂夫·科贝特 好。

I heard earlier we are talking about Bill Ayers and Barack Obama.

我早些时候听说我们正在谈论比尔·艾尔斯和巴拉克·奥巴马。

I mean, they talk about Bill Ayers being connected to Obama, and you would assume that it would gain a lot of traction in the media and with voters, but it just doesn't seem to be having the kind of impact that you would assume it would have.

我的意思是，他们谈论比尔·艾尔斯与奥巴马有联系，你可能会认为这会在媒体和选民中获得很大的关注，但它似乎并没有产生你想象的那种影响。

And I think it's because people look at Barack Obama, and I'm one of those people, and we say, the Barack Obama that I see isn't the Barack Obama that would be associated with these people.

我认为这是因为人们看着巴拉克·奥巴马，而我就是其中之一，我们说，我看到的巴拉克·奥巴马并不是与这些人联系在一起的巴拉克·奥巴马。

And I think to myself, what's the implication?

我心里想，这意味着什么？

Like, all along he thinks that it's OK that Bill Ayers was a bomber, and that somehow in the back of his mind he thinks that this is acceptable behavior.

就像，他一直认为比尔·艾尔斯是一名炸弹袭击者没关系，而且在他的内心深处，他认为这是可以接受的行为。

Because I just don't see that.

因为我就是不明白这一点。

I see him as an American story that is just amazing.

我认为他是一个令人惊叹的美国故事。

Like, I think that he's lived a middle-class life and he's worked hard and he's raising his family.

就像，我认为他过着中产阶级的生活，他努力工作，养家糊口。

And he is a man, I think, of extraordinary moral character.

我认为他是一个道德品质非凡的人。

And people say, well, the facts say otherwise.

人们说，好吧，事实却不然。

But a lot of times, for example, Sarah Palin, she said she's a maverick, where, in some cases, the facts are otherwise.

但很多时候，比如莎拉·佩林，她说自己是一个特立独行的人，但在某些情况下，事实却并非如此。

But people, in their heart of hearts, believe that she's really a maverick.

但人们在内心深处却相信她确实是一个特立独行的人。

So I think so much of this stuff comes down to the impression that these guys make, because we don't really know what's in their hearts and their minds.

所以我认为这很大程度上取决于这些人给人的印象，因为我们并不真正知道他们的内心和想法。

You're absolutely right.

你是绝对正确的。

You're doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing, Dave.

你正在做你应该做的事情，戴夫。

You're doing a lot of thinking.

你正在思考很多事情。

People will see what they want to see.

人们会看到他们想看到的。

And very often, we see the very same set of circumstances in very different ways.

很多时候，我们以截然不同的方式看待同样的情况。

But you're doing exactly what you should do.

但你正在做你应该做的事情。

I just wish more people would follow your example.

我只是希望更多的人能够效仿你的榜样。

Thanks.

谢谢。

Steve Corbett Thank you.

史蒂夫·科贝特 谢谢你。

And that's exactly right.

这是完全正确的。

He's trying to figure it out.

他正在想办法。

And he knows, as we all know, if we think it through, it's risky.

他知道，正如我们都知道的那样，如果我们仔细考虑的话，这是有风险的。

It's risky to go into that voting booth and believe in somebody.

进入投票站并相信某人是有风险的。

I got Ray.

我得到了雷。

No, I got Les in Scranton.

不，我在斯克兰顿找到了莱斯。

How are you doing, Les?

你好吗，莱斯？

(HOST) IRA GLASS: Thanks to Steve Corbett and the folks at WILK.

（主持人）IRA GLASS：感谢 Steve Corbett 和 WILK 的工作人员。

Well, our program was produced today by our senior producer Julie Snyder, with Alex Blumberg, Jane Feltes, Sarah Koenig, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.

今天我们的节目由我们的高级制片人 Julie Snyder 与 Alex Blumberg、Jane Feltes、Sarah Koenig、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 共同制作。

Adrianne Mathiowetz runs our website.

阿德琳娜·马修韦茨 (Adrianne Mathiowetz) 负责运营我们的网站。

Production help from Seth Lind and P.J.

Seth Lind 和 P.J. 的制作帮助

Vogt.

沃格特。

Music help from Jessica Hopper.

杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。

[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website, www.thisamericanlife.org.

[致谢] 我们的网站 www.thisamericanlife.org。

This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.

《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。

[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia.

[资金来源] 我们的老板 Torey Malatia 先生对 WBEZ 项目进行了管理监督。

During this pledge drive that's going on right now, a woman actually tried to get him to pledge.

在目前正在进行的宣誓活动中，一位女士实际上试图让他做出宣誓。

And he said:

他说：

Are you out of your ever-lovin' mind, lady?

女士，你疯了吗？

I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.

我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。