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Prologue Ira Glass Back in 1994-- this is back in the days when people still delivered big news to each other by mail-- two women who barely knew each other, Martha Miller and Susan McDonald, got a letter from Martha's mom.
序言 Ira Glass 回到 1994 年——那时人们仍然通过邮件互相传递重大新闻——两个几乎不认识的女人，玛莎·米勒和苏珊·麦克唐纳，收到了玛莎妈妈的一封信。
Dear Martha and Sue, have you ever suspected or been told that we took home the baby that belonged to Kay and Bob McDonald and they later took home the baby that belonged to us?
亲爱的玛莎和苏，你们是否曾经怀疑或被告知我们把属于凯和鲍勃·麦克唐纳的婴儿带回家，而他们后来又把属于我们的婴儿带回家？
That's Martha reading.
那是玛莎在读书。
And the purpose of this letter is that Mrs. Miller is breaking the news-- 43 years after the fact-- to Martha and Sue that she took the wrong baby home from the hospital, that Martha and Sue were switched at birth, that she's not Martha's biological mom, she's Sue's.
这封信的目的是，米勒夫人在 43 年后向玛莎和苏宣布这个消息：她从医院带错了孩子回家，玛莎和苏在出生时互换了位置，她不是玛莎的亲生妈妈，她是苏的亲生妈妈。
And part of it what makes this so strange is that this wasn't the sort of thing where Mrs. Miller figured this to her surprise after decades of wondering and pondering and painstaking detective work.
造成这件事如此奇怪的部分原因在于，米勒夫人在经过数十年的思考、思考和艰苦的侦探工作后，并没有惊讶地发现了这种情况。
No, no, no. She knew it the day she got home from the hospital in 1951 that she had the wrong baby, a baby born to a woman named Kay McDonald.
不，不，不。 1951 年，当她从医院回家的那天，她就知道自己生下了一个错误的孩子，这个孩子是一个名叫凯·麦克唐纳 (Kay McDonald) 的女人所生的。
And she kept it quiet all those years.
而这些年来，她一直保持沉默。
Here is how Mrs. Miller explained that in the letter.
以下是米勒夫人在信中的解释。
The other daughter in this baby switch, Sue, who was born to Mrs. Miller, the one writing the letter, but raised by Kay McDonald, the other woman, reads.
这次婴儿交换中的另一个女儿苏，是写这封信的米勒夫人所生，但由另一位女士凯·麦克唐纳抚养长大。
I had complete anesthesia, so was asleep when our baby was born.
我已经完全麻醉了，所以我们的孩子出生时我已经睡着了。
The nurse weighed the baby and must have left her in the delivery room until after Kay's baby was born very soon after mine.
护士给婴儿称重，肯定把她留在产房里，直到凯的孩子在我的孩子出生后不久出生。
When we took our baby home, she sneezed five times in a row.
当我们带宝宝回家时，她连续打了五个喷嚏。
Again, Martha Miller, who now goes by Marti, who once was the baby who sneezed five times in a row.
又是玛莎·米勒（Martha Miller），现在叫玛蒂（Marti），她曾经是那个连续打五个喷嚏的婴儿。
I thought that was strange.
我觉得这很奇怪。
Never had that happened with any of our others.
我们其他人从未发生过这种情况。
We had a baby scale at home.
我们家里有一个婴儿秤。
When I weighed the baby, she weighed two and 1/2 pounds less than her birth weight.
当我给婴儿称重时，她的体重比出生时的体重轻了两又 1/2 磅。
I was sure then that there had been a mix-up.
我当时就确信其中出现了混淆。
I talked to Norbert about it, but he did not want to disgrace our good Dr. Deslack.
我和诺伯特谈过这件事，但他不想让我们善良的德斯莱克博士蒙羞。
A week or so after the baby's birth, I was reaching for something way back in the attic closet and started to hemorrhage, then went into convulsions.
孩子出生大约一周后，我伸手去拿阁楼壁橱里的某个东西，结果开始出血，然后开始抽搐。
Back to the hospital for several days and despair for my life.
回到医院几天，我对生活感到绝望。
So I dropped the mixed-up baby pursuit.
所以我放弃了对婴儿的混乱追求。
As Martha grew, she did not look nor act like any other children.
随着玛莎的成长，她的外表和行为都与其他孩子不同。
She was a delight to all of us, so pretty, so photogenic, so full of life.
她让我们所有人都很高兴，她如此美丽、如此上镜、如此充满活力。
Our other children were very serious.
我们其他的孩子都很认真。
Martha excelled in music, was a great cheerleader at school, very popular, and a blonde.
玛莎在音乐方面表现出色，是学校里一名出色的啦啦队长，很受欢迎，而且是一位金发女郎。
Our other children had dark hair and all needed glasses for nearsightedness.
我们的其他孩子都是黑头发，都需要戴眼镜来治疗近视。
Martha did not need glasses.
玛莎不需要眼镜。
Finally, on July 10, 1994, Norbert was willing to go to Kay and Bob McDonald's 50th wedding anniversary celebration at Prairie du Chien United Methodist Church.
最后，1994年7月10日，诺伯特愿意去参加凯·麦克唐纳和鲍勃·麦克唐纳在Prairie du Chien联合卫理公会教堂举行的结婚50周年庆典。
When he saw you, Sue, he said, I don't need a DNA test.
当他看到你时，苏，他说，我不需要 DNA 测试。
Sue is ours.
苏是我们的。
She looks just like Mary Lydia.
她看起来就像玛丽·莉迪亚。
Would make a good twin to her.
会成为她的好双胞胎。
That is why I wanted to write this letter.
这就是我想写这封信的原因。
So now we are both aware of what happened 43 years ago.
现在我们都知道 43 年前发生的事情了。
We love you, Martha Jane-- I'm sorry.
我们爱你，玛莎简——对不起。
We love you, Martha Jane, as dearly as our other six children.
玛莎·简，我们像爱我们其他六个孩子一样爱你。
I think you know that you will always be our daughter.
我想你知道你永远是我们的女儿。
But I thought each of you should know your biological and spiritual backgrounds.
但我认为你们每个人都应该了解自己的生物学和精神背景。
And know you have mixed feelings about this revelation.
并且知道你对这个启示有着复杂的感受。
I have much anguish and many tears.
我有很多痛苦，也有很多眼泪。
But I feel I must get this out in the open, so you two know how wonderful that you both are Christians and great workers in the church.
但我觉得我必须把这件事公开，这样你们两个就知道你们都是基督徒，都是教会里伟大的同工，这是多么美好。
Do let me hear from you.
请让我听听你的消息。
I love you both.
我爱你们俩。
Thanks, and Jesus lead you in this time.
谢谢，耶稣在这一次带领你。
Happy 43rd birthday to you, Sue.
苏，祝你 43 岁生日快乐。
And to you, Martha.
还有你，玛莎。
Martha Miller And Sue Mcdonald Lovingly, your mom, Mary Kay Miller.
玛莎·米勒和苏·麦克唐纳 亲爱的，你的妈妈，玛丽·凯·米勒。
Ira Glass So at this point, you're probably wondering, why in the world didn't Mrs. Miller straighten this out quicker?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：那么此时，您可能想知道，为什么米勒夫人没有更快地解决这个问题呢？
Why did she listen to her husband back in 1951?
1951年她为什么要听她丈夫的话？
Why the big concern about disgracing the doctor over, you know, having the wrong baby?
为什么要担心因为生错孩子而让医生蒙羞呢？
And as you heard in the letter, one thing that makes this whole thing even stranger is that the two couples knew each other.
正如你在信中听到的那样，让整件事变得更加奇怪的是这两对夫妇彼此认识。
The Millers were at the McDonalds' anniversary party.
米勒一家参加了麦当劳的周年纪念聚会。
They have mutual acquaintances.
他们有共同的熟人。
They lived a short drive from each other's houses in Wauzeka and Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin.
他们住在威斯康星州沃泽卡和普雷里杜奇恩，距离对方的房子只有很短的车程。
And when Mrs. Miller finally let everybody know the truth, long after both girls were grown up with children of their own, it was disruptive.
当米勒夫人终于让每个人都知道真相时，在两个女孩都已经有了自己的孩子长大后很久，这造成了破坏。
That is the kind of news nobody ever wants to hear.
这是没有人愿意听到的消息。
And when you get this kind of news as an adult, that your mom isn't really your mom or your daughter isn't really your daughter, and at the same time, you have a new mom or a new daughter, it is not so clear what you're supposed to do with this new parent or new child who's now in your life.
当你作为一个成年人得到这样的消息时，你的妈妈不是真正的妈妈，或者你的女儿不是真正的你的女儿，同时，你有了一个新妈妈或一个新女儿，你不太清楚你应该如何对待现在出现在你生活中的这个新父母或新孩子。
What are you supposed to be with each other?
你们应该怎样相处？
And both Marti and Sue worried that the families they'd always thought were theirs would still want to keep them.
马蒂和苏都担心他们一直认为属于自己的家庭仍然想保留他们。
And both mothers and daughters each had to figure it out on their own.
母亲和女儿都必须自己解决这个问题。
All four women said things got very lonely for them.
所有四位女性都表示，她们感到非常孤独。
Today on our show, we hear what happens when somebody takes your family and throws it up in the air like a deck of cards.
今天在我们的节目中，我们听到当有人把你的家人像一副扑克牌一样扔到空中时会发生什么。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's "This American Life." I'm Ira Glass.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的歌曲是“This American Life”。我是艾拉·格拉斯。
We're devoting the full hour today to what happened to these two families.
我们今天要用一小时的时间来讨论这两个家庭所发生的事情。
Jake Halpern is the reporter.
杰克·哈尔彭是记者。
And before we start, just to help you keep everybody straight in this story, a quick overview of the two families.
在我们开始之前，为了帮助大家了解这个故事，我们先快速概述一下这两个家庭。
The Millers are the bespectacled, dark-haired ones from the letter.
米勒一家就是信中提到的戴眼镜、黑头发的人。
Mrs. Miller's husband, the Reverend Norbert Miller, was an evangelical preacher, devoted to the church.
米勒夫人的丈夫诺伯特·米勒牧师是一位福音派传教士，热衷于教会。
And they were a bookish, serious bunch.
他们是一群书呆子、严肃的人。
This was a house with a lot of rules.
这是一座有很多规则的房子。
And there were a lot of kids too.
还有很多孩子。
Seven kids in all.
一共七个孩子。
The McDonalds are the light-haired ones from the letter.
麦当劳一家就是信中提到的浅色头发的人。
And it is a much smaller family, just two kids.
这是一个小得多的家庭，只有两个孩子。
And the feeling in their house was very different from the feeling in the Miller's house.
而且他们家里的感觉和磨坊主家里的感觉很不一样。
They were easygoing quick to laugh and joke around.
他们很随和，经常开怀大笑。
Mr. McDonald ran the TV repair shop in town.
麦克唐纳先生在镇上经营一家电视机维修店。
Here's Jake Halpern.
请听杰克·哈尔彭的报道。
It was the four women at the center of all this, the two moms and the two daughters, who were affected more than anyone.
这一切的核心是四位女性，即两位母亲和两个女儿，她们受到的影响比任何人都大。
So let's take them one by one, starting with Sue, Mrs. Miller's baby, who was raised by the McDonalds.
让我们一一来看看他们，从米勒夫人的孩子苏开始，她是由麦当劳抚养长大的。
Before the letter arrived, the facts of Sue's life had seemed pretty orderly.
在这封信到达之前，苏的生活看上去相当有秩序。
She was a married mother of three living in Michigan, where her husband worked as a chemist.
她是一位居住在密歇根州的已婚三个孩子的母亲，她的丈夫在那里担任化学家。
She was close to her mother.
她和她母亲很亲近。
She called and visited her parents regularly.
她定期打电话拜访她的父母。
She also had an older brother, Bob, named after their dad.
她还有一个哥哥鲍勃，以他们父亲的名字命名。
It was all pretty straightforward.
一切都很简单。
And yes, Sue was different from the rest of the family in certain ways, dark and tall and skinny in a family that was none of those.
是的，苏在某些方面与家里的其他成员不同，她皮肤黝黑，身材高大，骨瘦如柴，但她的家庭却与这些都不同。
In a pretty lighthearted household, she was nervous, studious, serious.
在一个轻松愉快的家庭里，她却紧张、好学、严肃。
But that didn't seem so strange.
但这似乎并不那么奇怪。
In junior high, I remember my friend said to me, you must be adopted, because you do not look at all like your parents.
初中时，我记得我的朋友对我说，你必须被领养，因为你长得一点也不像你的父母。
And I said, I don't know.
我说，我不知道。
I asked my mother.
我问妈妈。
I said, am I adopted?
我说我是被领养的吗？
And she said, oh, no, no. She says, I was pregnant and you are my child.
她说，哦，不，不。她说，我怀孕了，你是我的孩子。
I wanted a baby, you know, and you're my baby.
我想要一个孩子，你知道，而你就是我的孩子。
You were not adopted.
你不是被领养的。
So that convinced you.
这样你就信服了。
Sue Mcdonald Oh, yeah.
苏·麦克唐纳 哦，是的。
That was enough.
这就足够了。
I mean, that was right.
我的意思是，那是对的。
My mom said, oh, well, you just take after great-grandpa this or aunt so-and-so.
我妈妈说，哦，好吧，你就效仿曾祖父或某某阿姨吧。
So then I just forgot about the whole thing.
然后我就忘记了整件事。
Jake Halpern Years later when she got the letter that told her the truth, she was stunned.
杰克·哈尔彭（Jake Halpern）多年后，当她收到这封告诉她真相的信时，她惊呆了。
And she knew she had to break the news to the McDonalds, who'd raised her.
她知道她必须把这个消息告诉抚养她长大的麦当劳夫妇。
But she didn't call them right away.
但她没有立即给他们打电话。
Mr. McDonald had a bad heart and she didn't know what the stress would do to him.
麦克唐纳先生心脏不好，她不知道压力会对他造成什么影响。
First, she wanted to be absolutely sure it was true.
首先，她想绝对确定这是真的。
Blood tests were done with the Millers and they proved Mrs. Miller was right about the switch.
米勒夫妇进行了血液测试，结果证明米勒夫人的转变是正确的。
Weeks went by and Sue began to fret.
几个星期过去了，苏开始烦恼。
She wrote letters to her parents, but didn't send them.
她给父母写了信，但没有寄出。
She worried her mother might reject her.
她担心母亲会拒绝她。
Sue knew her mother had never been a big fan of the Millers ever since they met.
苏知道，自从米勒一家认识以来，她的母亲就一直不是他们的忠实粉丝。
And now, suddenly, it turned out Sue was one of them.
现在，突然发现苏就是其中之一。
It was confusing.
这很令人困惑。
And then after I knew that I had been switched and that I had different genes, and my parents kept talking about these people that were so odd, the Millers, because Reverend Miller, he is an evangelical preacher.
然后当我知道我已经被改变并且我有不同的基因之后，我的父母一直在谈论这些非常奇怪的人，米勒一家，因为米勒牧师，他是一位福音派传教士。
He wants people to know Jesus Christ and that they would be saved.
他希望人们认识耶稣基督并且他们会得救。
And I'm really like that too.
我也确实是这样的。
Sometimes my mom thinks I'm a little fanatical.
有时我妈妈认为我有点狂热。
I'm really a Miller.
我真的是米勒。
What does she think of me?
她觉得我怎么样？
I mean, that's my biological family.
我的意思是，那是我的亲生家庭。
So I did think, yeah, she's going to know that's not my daughter.
所以我确实想，是的，她会知道那不是我的女儿。
And she's going to get this popular Marti, who's so fun-loving and looks like her.
她将会得到这个受欢迎的马蒂，他非常有趣而且看起来很像她。
And then she's going to say, well, I don't need that daughter anymore.
然后她会说，好吧，我不再需要那个女儿了。
She's part of that odd family.
她是那个奇怪家庭的一员。
Jake Halpern A month after she got the letter, Sue went to see her biological mother and father.
杰克·哈尔彭（Jake Halpern）收到这封信一个月后，苏去看望了她的亲生父母。
This is a videotape of that first meeting.
这是第一次会议的录像带。
And who are these people?
这些人是谁？
Woman 1 Now, this-- you tell them who that is.
女人 1 现在，这个——你告诉他们那是谁。
These are my-- Sue Mcdonald Is this your dad?
这是我的——苏·麦克唐纳 这是你爸爸吗？
Sue looks happy.
苏看起来很高兴。
Reverend Miller is affectionate with her, putting his arm around her waist.
米勒牧师对她充满感情，用手臂搂着她的腰。
Everybody's smiling.
每个人都在微笑。
Sue now had four new sisters and two new brothers.
苏现在有了四个新姐妹和两个新兄弟。
And the Millers show her pictures of her other relatives.
米勒一家给她看了其他亲戚的照片。
He's a roustabout.
他是个土拨鼠。
He went to Oregon to get away from a-- he got a girl in trouble, see?
他去俄勒冈州是为了摆脱一个——他让一个女孩陷入麻烦，明白吗？
Oh.
哦。
Jake Halpern There's a lot of nervous laughter and there are some awkward moments, like when Sue talks to Mrs. Miller about the fact that she never got enough breast milk as a baby.
杰克·哈尔彭 (Jake Halpern) 有很多紧张的笑声，也有一些尴尬的时刻，比如当苏与米勒夫人谈论她婴儿时期从未获得足够母乳的事实时。
My mother didn't have enough milk for me.
我妈妈没有足够的牛奶给我。
It's all your fault.
都是你的错。
Did you have enough?
你吃够了吗？
But overall, the Millers seem giddy that their daughter has finally come home.
但总的来说，米勒一家似乎对他们的女儿终于回家感到头晕目眩。
And Sue seems eager to know them.
苏似乎很想认识他们。
Later that same day, Sue drove to the McDonalds', to the parents she'd grown up with.
当天晚些时候，苏开车去了麦当劳，去了和她一起长大的父母那里。
After dinner, she sat down and told them about Mrs. Miller's letter, told them point-blank she wasn't their child.
晚饭后，她坐下来告诉他们米勒夫人的信，直截了当地告诉他们她不是他们的孩子。
At first, they refused to believe her, but then she told them about the blood tests.
起初，他们拒绝相信她，但后来她告诉了他们验血的事情。
Finally, Sue handed over all the letters that she hadn't sent them in the past month, letters telling them how much she loved them and how much she wanted to stay their daughter.
最后，苏把一个月来没有寄给他们的信全部交了出来，信里告诉他们她有多么爱他们，有多么想留下他们的女儿。
And like my dad said, you are my child.
就像我爸爸说的，你是我的孩子。
I changed your diaper.
我给你换了尿布。
And my mother, nothing was going to be different between us.
而我的母亲，我们之间不会有什么不同。
But it took a while for us to-- how are you going to think?
但我们花了一段时间才——你会怎么想？
Mrs. Miller has, for 43 years, been longing to see the child she'd given birth to.
43 年来，米勒夫人一直渴望见到她生下的孩子。
So she's excited about it.
所以她对此很兴奋。
And my mother's like, what happened to my life?
我妈妈说，我的生活怎么了？
It exploded.
它爆炸了。
Once things calmed down, Sue came to two conclusions.
事情平静下来后，苏得出了两个结论。
One, she wasn't going to become estranged from her mother.
第一，她不会与母亲疏远。
And two, it was her brother she might lose.
第二，她可能会失去她的兄弟。
My name is Bob McDonald.
我的名字是鲍勃·麦克唐纳。
And I am 61 years old.
我今年61岁了。
I would say that Sue and I were probably not that close for whatever reason.
我想说，无论出于什么原因，苏和我可能并不那么亲密。
The reason was pretty simple, actually.
其实原因很简单。
They have almost nothing in common.
他们几乎没有任何共同点。
Bob is four and 1/2 years older than Sue, a sweet, jovial guy, who never got along with his broody little sister.
鲍勃比苏大四又 1/2 岁，苏是一个可爱、快乐的小伙子，但他和他忧郁的小妹妹从来没有相处过。
And when Bob found out about Marti, found out that she was his biological sister, he called her right away in California.
当鲍勃发现马蒂，发现她是他的亲生妹妹时，他立即给在加利福尼亚的她打电话。
When she got on the phone, I was just totally blown away.
当她接到电话时，我完全惊呆了。
The way she pronounced her words were identical with the way my mother talked.
她说话的方式和我母亲说话的方式一模一样。
She could have been my aunt or my mother talking on the phone.
她可能是我的阿姨或我的母亲正在打电话。
And I knew that she had to be my sister.
我知道她一定是我的妹妹。
And I was super anxious to meet her in person.
我非常渴望亲自见到她。
And until that time, we just talked all the time.
在那之前，我们一直只是聊天。
With every phone call that we made, we opened up more to each other.
每通一次电话，我们彼此的心就变得更加开放。
And we had the same personality.
而且我们有相同的性格。
And we think so much alike.
我们的想法非常相似。
My brother and Marti are just thick as thieves, you know, it seems like.
我的兄弟和马蒂就像小偷一样，你知道，看起来就像。
And whenever Marti comes to my hometown, she stays with my brother.
每当马蒂来到我的家乡时，她都会和我哥哥呆在一起。
And they stay up till all hours of the night talking.
他们彻夜不眠地聊天。
For Sue, her brother's enthusiasm for Marti brought out every insecurity she suffered as a schoolgirl.
对于苏来说，她哥哥对马蒂的热情引发了她作为一名女学生所遭受的所有不安全感。
She didn't fit in.
她不适合。
She didn't have the social ease that came so naturally to Bob and Marti.
她没有鲍勃和马蒂那么自然的社交自如。
He was popular and I wasn't.
他很受欢迎，而我则不然。
I was a serious person.
我是一个严肃的人。
Nobody would dance with me at the dances.
没有人会在舞会上和我跳舞。
He had a band.
他有一支乐队。
I was shy or I was whatever.
我很害羞或者我是什么。
And I wanted to be a cheerleader.
我想成为一名啦啦队长。
I tried out for cheerleading.
我尝试参加啦啦队。
I just couldn't do it.
我就是做不到。
I didn't get picked.
我没有被选中。
As years went by, when there were family events with everyone, Sue would get anxious if Marti was there too.
随着时间的推移，当大家一起参加家庭活动时，如果马蒂也在场，苏就会感到焦虑。
Occasionally, she'd break down and cry.
有时候，她会崩溃并哭泣。
I remember at the wedding when my nephew got married, my brother danced with everybody.
我记得在我侄子结婚的婚礼上，我哥哥和大家一起跳舞。
He danced with Marti.
他和马蒂一起跳舞。
And you can see, they're just having so much fun and laughing together and just dancing away.
你可以看到，他们在一起玩得很开心，一起欢笑，一起跳舞。
And then he danced with my cousin.
然后他和我表弟跳舞。
He danced with my mother.
他和我妈妈一起跳舞。
He danced with everyone.
他和大家一起跳舞。
He didn't dance with me.
他没有和我跳舞。
And here I am, you know, it's like I'm a teenager again and nobody dances with me.
而我在这里，你知道，就像我又回到了少年，没有人和我跳舞。
It was bad.
很糟糕。
But the good part about that was when I got home from the wedding, and my brother called me, and he said, you know what?
但最好的部分是当我从婚礼回到家时，我哥哥打电话给我，他说，你知道吗？
I didn't even dance with you.
我什至没有和你跳舞。
And I said, who told you to say that?
我说，谁让你这么说的？
So he did know it too.
所以他也确实知道了。
But it just brought up feelings that you feel crummy again.
但这只会让你再次感到自己很糟糕。
And, you know, because I wonder what's going to happen when my parents are gone.
而且，你知道，因为我想知道当我的父母去世后会发生什么。
Is my brother going to care to even see me anymore?
我哥哥还会愿意见我吗？
Jake Halpern This brings us to Marti, the other baby in this baby switch.
杰克·哈尔彭 (Jake Halpern) 这让我们想到了马蒂 (Marti)，他是婴儿交换中的另一个婴儿。
Before she found out the truth about who her mother really was, Marti's life wasn't all that different from Sue's.
在发现母亲的真实身份之前，马蒂的生活与苏的生活并没有太大不同。
Marti was also married, also had three kids.
马蒂也已婚，也有三个孩子。
She'd also moved out of Wisconsin-- in her case, to Southern California.
她还从威斯康星州搬到了南加州。
She's also religious like Sue.
她也像苏一样有宗教信仰。
But that's pretty much where it ends.
但这差不多就结束了。
Marti worked all of her adult life, and still does, as a nurse.
马蒂成年后一直从事护士工作，现在仍然如此。
She grew up as the sixth child in a family of seven kids.
她是一个有七个孩子的家庭中的第六个孩子。
Besides her, there was Mary Lydia, Faith, Ruth, Sonny, Luke, and Esther.
除了她之外，还有玛丽·莉迪亚、费丝、露丝、桑尼、卢克和埃丝特。
Her mother ran a disciplined household.
她的母亲经营着一个纪律严明的家庭。
Everyone had to work.
每个人都必须工作。
She remembers washing and drying all the dishes by the time she was five or six.
她记得在她五六岁的时候，就把所有的盘子都洗干净并烘干了。
There wasn't much money around.
周围没有多少钱。
The five girls shared one bedroom.
五个女孩共用一间卧室。
The church was the center of their lives.
教堂是他们生活的中心。
And the family never went on vacation or even to the movies.
他们一家人从来没有去度假，甚至没有去看电影。
Instead, they were all taught to paint and encouraged to play music.
相反，他们都被教导绘画并被鼓励演奏音乐。
Like Sue, though, Marti stuck out in her family.
不过，和苏一样，马蒂在家里也很突出。
For one thing, she was the only one who joked around.
一方面，她是唯一一个开玩笑的人。
She says, even now, the Millers can't tell when she's being ironic.
她说，即使是现在，米勒一家也看不出她什么时候在讽刺。
And then there was the blondeness and the perkiness and the socializing.
然后是金发、活泼和社交。
Marti says she felt like everything she was interested in was lost on her parents.
马蒂说，她觉得她的父母失去了她感兴趣的一切。
I don't think that they ever came to watch me cheer in a game.
我不认为他们会来看我在比赛中加油。
That wasn't something that they would have done, because athletics was really not of value to them at all.
那不是他们会做的事情，因为体育运动对他们来说根本没有价值。
I was just not ever meeting their expectation of intellectualism.
我只是没有达到他们对理智主义的期望。
And my mother has told me since then, you know, I really didn't expect that much from you, because I knew that you weren't our child.
而我妈妈从那时起就告诉我，你知道，我真的对你没有那么大的期望，因为我知道你不是我们的孩子。
That was a hard thing to hear.
这是一件很难听的事。
Jake Halpern Incredibly, when Marti was 21 years old, someone actually told her that she might not be a Miller.
杰克·哈尔彭 (Jake Halpern) 令人难以置信的是，当马蒂 21 岁时，居然有人告诉她，她可能不是米勒家族的人。
One of her older sisters, Ruth, came to visit with her husband Rudy.
她的姐姐露丝（Ruth）和她的丈夫鲁迪（Rudy）一起来看望她。
Rudy had a couple of beers.
鲁迪喝了几杯啤酒。
And after dinner, he got to talking.
吃过晚饭后，他开始说话。
Then he started asking me what I knew about the McDonalds.
然后他开始问我对麦当劳了解多少。
And I really didn't know anything about the McDonalds.
我真的对麦当劳一无所知。
And then he told me that I looked like them.
然后他告诉我我看起来像他们。
And he said, what would you do if I told you that they were your parents?
他说，如果我告诉你他们是你的父母，你会怎么做？
And I was kind of stunned.
我有点震惊。
It was the first I had ever heard anything about it.
这是我第一次听说这件事。
And he did, in fact, say some hurtful things.
事实上，他确实说了一些伤人的话。
Because he told me, well, I don't care what anybody says.
因为他告诉我，好吧，我不在乎别人说什么。
As far as I'm concerned, you're not really Ruth's sister.
就我而言，你并不是真正的露丝的妹妹。
I thought it was just Rudy being Rudy.
我以为鲁迪就是鲁迪。
He just has crazy ideas and he dreams these things up.
他只是有疯狂的想法，他梦想着这些事情。
And I was just horrified.
我只是被吓坏了。
And he didn't tell me ahead of time.
而且他也没有提前告诉我。
He just came out with it.
他刚刚出来。
That's Ruth.
那是露丝。
She and Faith and Mary Lydia, the older girls, had sort of always known about the possibility that Marti wasn't their biological sister.
她和费思和玛丽·莉迪亚，年纪较大的女孩，一直都知道马蒂可能不是她们的亲生妹妹。
A couple of them, including Ruth, had vague memories of their parents talking about it after they brought Marti home from the hospital, about how this baby looked different from Mrs. Miller's other babies, and that maybe this baby had been switched.
他们中的一些人，包括露丝，都模糊地记得他们的父母在把马蒂从医院带回家后谈论过这件事，谈论这个婴儿看起来与米勒夫人的其他婴儿有何不同，并且可能这个婴儿已经被调换了。
Then when Ruth was about 16, her older sister Faith came home from a trip on a Mississippi River boat and told Ruth she'd seen Sue McDonald on the boat, and that she looked an awful lot like them.
然后，当露丝 16 岁左右时，她的姐姐费思从密西西比河船上旅行回来，告诉露丝她在船上看到了苏·麦克唐纳，而且她看起来非常像他们。
They decided that Ruth ought to have a look too.
他们决定露丝也应该看看。
So the two girls cooked up a reconnaissance mission.
于是，两个女孩策划了一次侦察任务。
On one Sunday, they got their boyfriends to drive them 17 miles away to the McDonald's church in Prairie du Chien.
一个周日，他们让男朋友开车送他们去 17 英里外的 Prairie du Chien 的麦当劳教堂。
Ruth sat down in a Pew near the front next to Faith.
露丝在靠近前排的长凳上坐下，挨着费思。
Right before the service began, she says, there's Sue walking down the center aisle.
她说，就在仪式开始前，苏正走在中间的过道上。
And I thought, she even walks like Mary.
我想，她甚至走路都像玛丽。
I was just like, wow.
我当时就想，哇。
Wow, that could be her.
哇，那可能是她。
That could be my sister.
那可能是我姐姐。
And yeah, I think it might be.
是的，我想可能是这样。
And at any point during this time, does it cross your mind, well, why don't we just ask Mom and Dad about this?
在这段时间的任何时候，您是否都会想到，好吧，我们为什么不问问爸爸妈妈这个问题呢？
No. Jake Halpern That's not how their family worked.
不，杰克·哈尔彭（Jake Halpern） 他们的家庭不是这样工作的。
They just didn't talk about these kinds of things.
他们只是不谈论这些事情。
And as Ruth and Faith saw it, it wasn't their place to mess in their parents' affairs, which is why, when her husband Rudy blurted it out a few years later, Ruth was so shocked.
在露丝和费丝看来，父母的事情不是他们该插手的，这就是为什么几年后当她的丈夫鲁迪脱口而出时，露丝感到非常震惊。
And Marti refused to believe it at that point.
马蒂当时拒绝相信这一点。
She denied it.
她否认了。
And she says, oh, no, no, that's not true.
她说，哦，不，不，那不是真的。
So then I thought, well, OK, then it's not so bad.
然后我想，好吧，那就没那么糟糕了。
If she still believes she's my sister, that's good.
如果她仍然相信她是我的妹妹，那很好。
The next week, though, when Marti was visiting their mom, Mrs. Miller, she asked her about what Rudy had said.
然而，下周，当马蒂拜访他们的妈妈米勒夫人时，她问她鲁迪说了什么。
Mrs. Miller gave her a noncommittal answer, saying that once upon a time, they thought that maybe, perhaps, it might have.
米勒夫人给了她一个不置可否的答案，说从前，他们认为也许，也许，可能有。
But even if it did happen, there was no way to prove it.
但即使真的发生了，也没有办法证明。
So that was that.
就是这样。
Over the years, the thought that she might be someone else's child festered in the back of Marti's mind.
多年来，她可能是别人的孩子的想法一直在马蒂的脑海中蔓延。
And much later, when she was in her mid-30s, she decided to get to the bottom of it.
很久以后，当她三十多岁的时候，她决定弄清楚这件事的真相。
She was working for a group of pediatricians, which included a genetic counselor.
她为一群儿科医生工作，其中包括一名遗传咨询师。
She told the counselor her story and said she wanted to get blood tests done.
她向辅导员讲述了自己的故事，并说她想进行血液检查。
The counselor asked her what the McDonalds knew about all this.
辅导员问她麦当劳对这一切了解多少。
And I said, I don't think they know anything about it.
我说，我认为他们对此一无所知。
So she said, well, if you were to find out that these parents that you have are not your parents and the other family doesn't want to have anything to do with you, how are you going to feel?
所以她说，好吧，如果你发现你的父母不是你的父母，而另一个家庭也不想和你有任何关系，你会有什么感觉？
And I said, well, I don't know.
我说，好吧，我不知道。
I don't have any idea.
我不知道。
And she said, you really need to consider how that's going to change your family for you and how it's going to change relationships for you.
她说，你真的需要考虑这将如何改变你的家庭以及你的人际关系。
So she said, unless there's a real reason that you need to know, she said, I don't recommend that you dig into it.
所以她说，除非有真正的理由你需要知道，否则我不建议你深究。
Jake Halpern That sort of spooked Marti, so she left it alone.
杰克·哈尔彭（Jake Halpern） 这让马蒂感到害怕，所以她没有管它。
And that's where it might have ended if it hadn't been for Mrs. Miller's letter a decade later.
如果不是十年后米勒夫人的来信，事情可能就到此为止了。
It's hard enough to learn that your mother isn't your mother, but it's even harder when that news is delivered by someone like Mrs. Miller.
得知你的母亲不是你的母亲已经够难的了，但当这个消息是由米勒夫人这样的人传达的时候就更难了。
Tact isn't her strong suit.
机智并不是她的强项。
In fact, she seemed to have a tin ear for the whole thing.
事实上，她似乎对整件事很敏感。
For starters, Mrs. Miller didn't contact Marti and Sue at the same time.
首先，米勒夫人没有同时联系马蒂和苏。
She first sent the letter to Sue McDonald, the daughter she barely knew, and then waited almost two weeks before mailing the letter to Marti, the daughter she'd raised.
她首先将信寄给了她几乎不认识的女儿苏·麦克唐纳，然后等了近两周才将信寄给了她抚养长大的女儿马蒂。
She said she wanted to call Marti first, but never managed to reach her.
她说她想先给马蒂打电话，但一直没能联系到她。
As a result, Marti got worried about one of the most basic facts of her life secondhand, all the while waiting to hear directly from her mother.
结果，马蒂开始担心她生活中最基本的事实之一，同时一直在等待母亲的直接消息。
And in the meantime, I had gotten phone calls from people I didn't even know that we're telling me, hey, I'm your brother.
与此同时，我接到了一些我什至不认识的人打来的电话，我们告诉我，嘿，我是你的兄弟。
Hey, I was switched at birth with you.
嘿，我一出生就和你交换了。
When she finally heard from Mrs. Miller, the mother she'd grown up with, not only did she get the letter, but Mrs. Miller had just been to the 50th anniversary party of the McDonalds, Marti's biological parents.
当她终于收到与她一起长大的母亲米勒夫人的消息时，她不仅收到了这封信，而且米勒夫人刚刚参加了马蒂亲生父母麦当劳的 50 周年纪念聚会。
And so she took one of the programs from it and she mailed it to me.
所以她从中取出了一个程序并将其邮寄给我。
And basically-- and this is going to sound like kind of a small thing, but it was a big thing to me-- she circled the names of people that were participating in the program.
基本上——这听起来像是一件小事，但对我来说却是一件大事——她圈出了参与该计划的人的名字。
Like one of my uncles on the birth side, Earl Gonzalez, she circled his name, and she wrote, this is your uncle.
就像我的一位叔叔冈萨雷斯伯爵一样，她圈出了他的名字，然后写道，这是你的叔叔。
And she circled my brother's name and said, this is your brother.
她圈出了我弟弟的名字，说，这是你弟弟。
Like Bob and Kay, she would circle their names and say, these are your parents.
像鲍勃和凯一样，她会圈出他们的名字并说，这是你的父母。
And I'm reading this thing going, what do you mean this is my uncle, this is my brother, this is my mom and dad?
我正在读这篇文章，你说这是我叔叔，这是我兄弟，这是我爸爸妈妈是什么意思？
This is not my family.
这不是我的家人。
I don't even know who they are.
我什至不知道他们是谁。
And I took that as, OK, I'm saying as of right now, you're not our kid.
我认为，好吧，我现在说的是，你不是我们的孩子。
You're their kid.
你是他们的孩子。
You're in their family.
你是他们家庭的一员。
Jake Halpern Marti says her mom, Mrs. Miller, sees the world in black and white.
杰克·哈尔彭·马蒂 (Jake Halpern Marti) 说，她的妈妈米勒夫人以黑白分明的方式看待世界。
She focused on the facts of the situation, maybe hoping she could fix things by simply setting the record straight.
她专注于事实情况，也许希望通过简单地澄清事实来解决问题。
She wasn't malicious.
她并没有恶意。
She wasn't trying to be hurtful.
她并不是想伤害别人。
After all those years, she was just tired of secrets.
这么多年过去了，她只是厌倦了秘密。
And now she wanted everyone's role to be clear.
现在她希望每个人的角色都清楚。
But it was hard, Marti says, to be on the receiving end of this sudden adamant truth-telling.
但马蒂说，接受这种突然而坚定的实话实说是很困难的。
There were a few years there, where every chance my mother got, she made it perfectly clear that I was a McDonald.
在那里的几年里，每次我母亲一有机会，她都会清楚地表明我是一名麦当劳员工。
For the longest time, whenever she would write to me, she would include McDonald in my name.
在很长一段时间里，每当她给我写信时，她都会在我的名字里加上麦当劳。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
Are you serious?
你是认真的？
Martha Miller Just absolutely bizarre things like that.
玛莎·米勒（Martha Miller）就是这样绝对奇怪的事情。
That's just how she is.
她就是这样。
There is no gray area.
没有灰色地带。
Actually, my mother wanted to go to court and have my name legally changed back to Sue McDonald and have Sue's name changed.
事实上，我母亲想上法庭，让我的名字合法地改回苏·麦克唐纳，并让苏的名字改变。
That was her idea.
这是她的主意。
She tells me that you're my daughter.
她告诉我你是我的女儿。
But at the same time, when she refers to Kay, she says, well, your mother is doing such and such or your mother said this.
但同时，当她提到凯时，她说，好吧，你妈妈正在做这样那样的事情，或者你妈妈说过这样的话。
And when I think of my mother, I think of her.
当我想到我的母亲时，我就会想到她。
Jake Halpern During this time, it was Marti's dad, Reverend Miller, who reassured her.
杰克·哈尔彭（Jake Halpern） 在此期间，是马蒂的父亲米勒牧师让她放心。
They started talking on the phone a lot.
他们开始经常通电话。
He explained things like why all those years ago, he refused to return to the hospital and switch back the babies.
他解释了一些事情，比如为什么多年前他拒绝返回医院并换回婴儿。
And he let Marti know that he still loved her.
他让马蒂知道他仍然爱她。
He did not want her to push me out of the family.
他不想让她把我赶出家庭。
He, in fact would call me and tell me, I don't care what she says, you're still our kid and I'm glad we had you.
事实上，他会打电话给我并告诉我，我不在乎她说什么，你仍然是我们的孩子，我很高兴我们有你。
Did you feel that then after this happened a little bit closer to your dad than your mom?
发生这件事之后你有没有觉得你和你爸爸比你妈妈更亲近一些？
Yes.
是的。
Yes, definitely, at that point.
是的，当然，在这一点上。
My dad had this horrendous guilt, because he felt like it was all his fault that he should have believed my mother for all those years.
我父亲有一种可怕的负罪感，因为他觉得这都是他的错，他应该相信我母亲这么多年。
And I think he honestly never thought it was a possibility.
老实说，我认为他从来没有想过这是一种可能性。
He thought she really dreamed this up in her head and just got obsessed with it.
他以为她真的在脑子里梦想了这个，而且只是沉迷其中。
And the other thing was that he really thought, what difference does it make?
另一件事是他真的想，这有什么区别？
A child is a child.
孩子就是孩子。
She's with us.
她和我们在一起。
She's ours now.
她现在是我们的了。
Jake Halpern The other problem for Marti was how to approach the McDonalds, her biological parents.
杰克·哈尔彭（Jake Halpern） 马蒂面临的另一个问题是如何接近她的亲生父母——麦当劳一家。
They were nice enough when she spoke to them on the phone, but they weren't exactly welcoming her into the family.
当她在电话中与他们交谈时，他们很友善，但他们并不完全欢迎她加入这个家庭。
I remember talking to Mother about, you know, this is your blood daughter.
我记得和母亲说过，你知道，这是你的亲生女儿。
Here's Bob McDonald, who, remember, was having these great phone calls with his newfound sister?
这是鲍勃·麦克唐纳（Bob McDonald），还记得他和他新认识的妹妹打过这些精彩的电话吗？
This is the daughter that actually was in you.
这就是你内心真正的女儿。
And I mean, I understand you didn't raise her, but she is your blood, biological daughter.
我的意思是，我知道你没有抚养她，但她是你的亲生女儿。
And I don't know that she was as excited about it as I was.
我不知道她和我一样对此感到兴奋。
And I couldn't figure that out at the time.
当时我无法弄清楚这一点。
She was guarded.
她被人看守着。
They were nice enough when she spoke to them on the phone, but they weren't exactly welcoming her into the family.
当她在电话中与他们交谈时，他们很友善，但他们并不完全欢迎她加入这个家庭。
From Marti's perspective, the genetic counselor's prediction from years before seemed to be coming true, and it felt like she was losing both her mothers.
从马蒂的角度来看，遗传咨询师多年前的预测似乎正在成为现实，她感觉自己正在失去两位母亲。
Marti wrote a letter to Kay and Bob McDonald, her biological parents.
马蒂给她的亲生父母凯·麦克唐纳和鲍勃·麦克唐纳写了一封信。
"I want you to know that I will accept whatever contact you choose to have with me, even if it's none at all.
“我想让你知道，我会接受你选择与我进行的任何联系，即使根本没有。
I promise you, I'll never try to make you think of me as your daughter.
我向你保证，我永远不会试图让你把我当作你的女儿。
I know that Sue's your daughter and no one could ever expect you to feel otherwise."
我知道苏是你的女儿，没有人会指望你会有不同的感觉。”
Marti eventually decided that the only way she was going to resolve this was by getting on a plane and flying out to Wisconsin to meet the McDonalds face to face and give them a real chance to get to know her.
马蒂最终决定，解决这个问题的唯一方法就是登上飞机飞往威斯康星州，与麦当劳面对面，给他们一个真正了解她的机会。
The get-together at Bob and Kay McDonald's house didn't go exactly as she wanted.
鲍勃和凯·麦克唐纳家的聚会并没有完全按照她的意愿进行。
From the McDonalds' perspective, Marti looked and acted remarkably like a McDonald.
从麦当劳的角度来看，马蒂的外表和行为都非常像麦当劳。
She got along famously with their son Bob.
她和他们的儿子鲍勃相处得很好。
She even had the exact same oil painting hanging on her wall in California as they had in their living room, a landscape with trees and water.
她甚至在加利福尼亚州的墙上挂了和他们客厅里一模一样的油画，一幅有树木和水的风景。
But Sue was the girl they'd brought up and they felt loyal to her, protective.
但苏是他们养大的女孩，他们对她感到忠诚和保护。
I kind of felt like Bob and Kay were kind of keeping me at an arm's distance, because they weren't really sure how they felt or wanted to feel.
我感觉鲍勃和凯有点与我保持着一定的距离，因为他们不太确定自己的感受或想要的感受。
And I don't think sue had that sense.
我认为苏没有那种感觉。
In fact, that's true.
事实上，确实如此。
Maybe because some of the Miller girls had suspected that she was their sister for decades and because Mrs. Miller always knew the truth, Sue was being embraced completely by the Miller clan.
也许是因为米勒家族的一些女孩几十年来一直怀疑她是她们的妹妹，也因为米勒夫人总是知道真相，所以苏彻底被米勒家族所拥抱。
And so while Sue had feared everyone would choose Marti, the outgoing cheerleader, over her, it didn't work out that way.
因此，虽然苏担心每个人都会选择即将离任的啦啦队长马蒂而不是她，但事实并非如此。
Here's Marti.
这是马蒂。
In fact, it was the exact opposite.
事实上，事实恰恰相反。
She had both families wanting to make sure that she was included in their family.
她的两个家庭都希望确保她能成为他们的家庭成员。
The Millers wanted to incorporate her family into our family as quickly as they could.
米勒一家希望尽快将她的家人纳入我们的家庭。
I did feel in the beginning like she was taking my place in my family.
一开始我确实觉得她正在取代我在家里的位置。
And that was odd, very odd.
这很奇怪，非常奇怪。
And sometimes I don't know exactly what her relationship is with my sisters.
有时我也不知道她和我的姐妹们到底是什么关系。
I honestly don't know how much they communicate, how much they're in touch.
老实说，我不知道他们有多少沟通，有多少联系。
Part of me really doesn't want to know, because I think I would feel left out of something.
我内心的一部分真的不想知道，因为我觉得我会觉得自己被排除在外。
Ira Glass Coming up, what it's like to be a mom and to learn at the age of 69 that your only daughter isn't actually your daughter at all, and, if that weren't bad enough, that lots of people in your town, people around you, knew years before you did.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）接下来，作为一名母亲，在 69 岁时得知你唯一的女儿实际上根本不是你的女儿，这是什么感觉，而且，如果这还不够糟糕的话，你镇上的很多人，你周围的人，比你早几年就知道了。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
Act Two: Act Two Ira Glass "This American Life." I'm Ira Glass.
第二幕：第二幕艾拉·格拉斯“美国生活”。我是艾拉·格拉斯。
If you're just tuning in, Jake Halpern is telling the story this hour of two girls switched at birth.
如果您刚刚收听，杰克·哈尔彭 (Jake Halpern) 正在讲述两个女孩在出生时互换的故事。
One mother, Mary Miller, knew and kept it a secret, did nothing about it, for 43 years.
一位名叫玛丽·米勒 (Mary Miller) 的母亲知道这件事，并保守秘密，43 年来一直没有采取任何行动。
The other mother, Kay McDonald, had no idea.
另一位母亲凯·麦克唐纳（Kay McDonald）对此一无所知。
The two fathers in this story were not interviewed.
这个故事中的两位父亲没有接受采访。
Mr. McDonald's health didn't allow it.
麦克唐纳先生的健康状况不允许。
Mr. Miller died in 2000.
米勒先生于 2000 年去世。
And so in this half of the story, we hear from the mothers.
在故事的这半部分，我们听到了母亲们的声音。
Again, here's Jake Halpern.
杰克·哈尔彭再次报道。
At the hospital in 1951, Kay McDonald was told that she'd given birth to a nine-pound, four-ounce baby.
1951 年，凯·麦克唐纳 (Kay McDonald) 在医院被告知她生下了一个 9 磅 4 盎司的婴儿。
She didn't question that.
她没有质疑这一点。
Every day she was at the hospital, the nurses brought her the same baby girl.
每天她在医院时，护士都会给她带来同一个女婴。
Nothing seemed amiss to her.
她似乎没有什么不对劲的地方。
And as that baby, Sue, grew up, the one thing that puzzled Kay was that Mrs. Miller, whom she knew only vaguely from church, seemed so interested in Sue.
随着那个婴儿苏长大，让凯感到困惑的一件事是，她在教堂里只模糊认识的米勒夫人似乎对苏很感兴趣。
She always referred to the girls as sisters.
她总是称这些女孩为姐妹。
After they were born, she had written us a Christmas letter and said she'd always liked to keep in touch with Susan, because the girls were so much like sisters.
她们出生后，她给我们写了一封圣诞信，说她一直喜欢与苏珊保持联系，因为这两个女孩非常像姐妹。
And of course, I thought that was foolish.
当然，我认为这是愚蠢的。
But I went along with it, because I don't like to make waves, I guess, you might say.
但你可能会说，我同意了，因为我不喜欢掀起波澜。
And so that's why I started sending them a copy of our Christmas letter.
这就是为什么我开始给他们寄一封圣诞信。
That's how Mrs. Miller kept track of Sue.
米勒夫人就是这样跟踪苏的。
Over the years, Mrs. Miller would do or say things concerning the girls, things that just seemed strange to Kay.
多年来，米勒夫人会做或说一些与女孩有关的事情，这些事情在凯看来很奇怪。
When Kay's church was celebrating its 150th anniversary, for instance, Kay was chairperson for the event.
例如，当凯的教堂庆祝成立 150 周年时，凯担任该活动的主席。
Reverend Miller had once been pastor there, so he and Mrs. Miller were invited.
米勒牧师曾在那里担任牧师，因此他和米勒夫人受到了邀请。
And the Millers came.
米勒一家来了。
And I was in the hallway.
我在走廊里。
And Mrs. Miller said to me, did you ever think that our girls were switched at birth?
米勒太太对我说，你有没有想过我们的女儿一出生就被调换了？
And I said, heavens, no. I thought that was such a ridiculous thing to say.
我说，天哪，不。我觉得这样的话真是太可笑了。
And of course, I was very busy, because I was chairperson and I had so many other things to do.
当然，我很忙，因为我是主席，还有很多其他事情要做。
So I passed it off.
所以我就放弃了。
But that's all she said.
但她只说了这么多。
There was nothing any further.
再没有什么了。
It didn't bother me, because I couldn't see any merit to it.
这并没有困扰我，因为我看不出它有任何优点。
I didn't have a doubt in my mind.
我心里没有任何疑问。
And I'm not one to borrow trouble.
而且我不是一个会借麻烦的人。
Jake Halpern What Kay McDonald didn't know was that there was a whole slew of people in her church community who had heard about the rumored baby switch from the beginning.
杰克·哈尔彭 (Jake Halpern) 凯·麦克唐纳 (Kay McDonald) 不知道的是，她的教会社区中有很多人从一开始就听说过婴儿转换的传闻。
Mrs. Miller and Kay McDonald were actually in different churches.
米勒夫人和凯·麦克唐纳实际上在不同的教堂。
Kay was a Methodist and the Millers were Evangelicals.
凯是卫理公会教徒，米勒一家是福音派教徒。
Mrs. Miller told people in the Evangelical Church that her suspicions, friends of hers and people she hoped would keep an eye out on Sue.
米勒夫人告诉福音派教会的人们，她的怀疑、她的朋友以及她希望的人会密切关注苏。
But later, the two churches merged.
但后来，两个教堂合并了。
So a bunch of people from the Evangelical Church now knew who Kay McDonald was and who Sue was, and realized that this was the girl Mrs. Miller believed to be her own.
因此，来自福音派教会的一群人现在知道谁是凯·麦克唐纳，谁是苏，并意识到这是米勒夫人认为是自己的女孩。
And this whole crop of people knew, but never said anything to Kay McDonald.
这群人都知道，但从未对凯·麦克唐纳说过任何话。
One of them was Darlene Wolfgram.
达琳·沃尔夫格拉姆就是其中之一。
She heard it first from her own mom, who heard it at church.
她首先从自己的妈妈那里听到了这件事，而妈妈是在教堂听到的。
She said everybody at church, after having seen Marti beside the rest of the family, just couldn't believe that that was their child.
她说，教堂里的每个人在看到马蒂和其他家庭成员在一起后，都不敢相信那是他们的孩子。
It was pretty concealed right within our own church.
它就隐藏在我们自己的教堂里。
Probably the Ladies Aid, maybe, you know, the little group that got together.
可能是“女士援助组织”，也许是聚集在一起的小团体。
In fact, my mother said, well, just don't tell anybody.
事实上，我妈妈说，好吧，别告诉任何人。
So we never said anything about it.
所以我们从未对此说过任何话。
Darlene Wolfgram did tell her daughter, though.
不过，达琳·沃尔夫格拉姆确实告诉了她的女儿。
And the daughter, bear with me, ended up marrying Sue's brother Bob.
女儿，请耐心听我说，最终嫁给了苏的兄弟鲍勃。
But even she never divulged the secret to Bob or any of the McDonalds.
但即使是她也从未向鲍勃或任何麦当劳透露这个秘密。
Here she is.
她在这里。
Her name's also Sue.
她的名字也叫苏。
No, I didn't.
不，我没有。
Because it was always just a rumor.
因为这始终只是一个谣言。
And I thought, well, he'll think I'm nuts.
我想，好吧，他会认为我疯了。
And he was very angry at first with me.
一开始他对我很生气。
And he said, why wouldn't you have told me that?
他说，你为什么不告诉我呢？
And I said, would you have believed me?
我说，你会相信我吗？
I mean, I'd say, gee, guess what, Bob?
我的意思是，我会说，天哪，你猜怎么着，鲍勃？
I don't think your sister's yours.
我不认为你妹妹是你的。
Well, there was no DNA testing back then or anything else.
嗯，当时没有 DNA 测试或其他任何东西。
So there would have been no proof.
所以就没有证据。
That's what most people in town seemed to feel.
镇上大多数人似乎都有这种感觉。
It wasn't their place to bring up such a thing, especially with no way to know if it was true for sure, What that meant was that after Kay McDonald finally found out the truth in 1994, people started coming up to her, in church mostly, casually mentioning that they'd known about it all along.
他们不应该提出这样的事情，尤其是在无法确定这件事是否属实的情况下，这意味着，在凯·麦克唐纳 (Kay McDonald) 于 1994 年最终发现真相后，人们开始走向她，主要是在教堂里，漫不经心地提到他们一直都知道这件事。
I was surprised that nobody really ever told us, the Booms, the Tinors, the Langs, the Haisens.
令我惊讶的是，没有人真正告诉过我们，布姆家族、蒂诺家族、朗家族、海森家族。
I just couldn't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
I just thought it was odd that so many people would know in a town of our size, which is like 5,500 people, when that many people were aware of it, that the news didn't get to us.
我只是觉得很奇怪，在我们这样规模的城镇里，大约有 5,500 人，而当这么多人都知道这一消息时，我们却没有收到这个消息。
Jake Halpern Slowly, anger began to set in.
杰克·哈尔彭 慢慢地，愤怒开始出现。
Kay was angry that Mrs. Miller hadn't corrected things back in 1951, that Mrs. Miller had hijacked her life in this way.
凯很生气，因为米勒夫人没有纠正 1951 年的事情，因为米勒夫人以这种方式劫持了她的生活。
And she was angry that Mrs. Miller put Sue in the difficult position of having to break news like this to her parents.
她很生气米勒夫人让苏陷入困境，不得不向她的父母透露这样的消息。
And angry that now the Millers were asking so much of Sue's time and attention.
很生气的是，现在米勒一家占用了苏这么多的时间和精力。
It got so bad, Kay had to go on medication for high blood pressure.
情况变得如此糟糕，凯不得不继续服用高血压药物。
Well, of course, they were really clamoring to get to know her.
嗯，当然，他们真的很想认识她。
And I felt excluded.
我感到被排除在外。
I felt they were trying to take her away from us.
我觉得他们想把她从我们身边夺走。
And Susan always had said to me, Mom, why didn't you have any more children after I was born?
苏珊总是对我说，妈妈，为什么我出生后你不再要孩子了？
She wanted to be a part of a big family.
她想成为一个大家庭的一员。
So then she found out she has all of these brothers and sisters.
然后她发现她有所有这些兄弟姐妹。
And the phone calls were fewer.
而且电话也少了。
And of course, Marti didn't really call a whole lot.
当然，马蒂并没有打很多电话。
She's a very busy gal and I was not having that much communication with her.
她是一个非常忙碌的女孩，我和她没有太多交流。
And I thought I was losing both of them.
我以为我正在失去他们两个。
Kay McDonald began getting notes and phone calls from Reverend Miller.
凯·麦克唐纳开始收到米勒牧师的笔记和电话。
He told her that he thought it was God's will that this had happened.
他告诉她，他认为发生这件事是上帝的旨意。
Even so, he asked her for forgiveness again and again.
即便如此，他还是一次又一次请求她的原谅。
He's just outright-- he's just saying, can you forgive me, just like that on the telephone?
他只是直截了当——他只是说，你能原谅我吗，就像在电话里那样？
Yes, and quoting scriptures all the time for me to read to console me.
是的，并且一直引用经文让我读来安慰我。
Because I had said that I had shed a lot of tears.
因为我说过，我流了很多眼泪。
And I had probably all of the emotions that you have with a death in a family.
我可能也有过家庭成员去世时的所有情绪。
I think I went into a kind of a depression about similar to what I did when my mother died.
我想我陷入了一种抑郁症，就像我母亲去世时的情况一样。
And so, of course, he was trying to get me to say that I had forgiven them.
所以，当然，他试图让我说我已经原谅了他们。
How did you feel when he said this was God's will?
当他说这是上帝的旨意时，你有何感受？
What was your reaction?
你的反应是什么？
I couldn't believe that Because I don't have that feeling about-- I don't think God punishes us in any way.
我简直不敢相信，因为我没有那种感觉——我不认为上帝会以任何方式惩罚我们。
I think what we do is pretty much our own doing.
我认为我们所做的大部分都是我们自己做的。
But he had everybody convinced, I think, that it was God's will.
但我认为，他让每个人都相信这是上帝的旨意。
But I had talked to several of our former pastors who knew about the situation and they assured me that this was not God's will.
但我曾与几位了解情况的前牧师交谈过，他们向我保证这不是神的旨意。
They said that was a cop-out.
他们说这是一种逃避。
And so I don't think that was too well received when I mentioned that.
因此，当我提到这一点时，我认为并没有受到太多欢迎。
I told Mrs. Miller I felt that it was God's will, when she realized that she might not have the right child, I think it was His will that she do something about it.
我告诉米勒夫人，我觉得这是上帝的旨意，当她意识到她可能没有合适的孩子时，我认为这是上帝的旨意，让她为此做点什么。
Jake Halpern She wrote that in a letter to Mrs. Miller eight years after she learned the truth.
杰克·哈尔彭 (Jake Halpern) 在得知真相八年后，她在给米勒夫人的信中写道。
That's how long it took her to sort out her feelings.
她花了很长时间才理清自己的情绪。
Kay McDonald and the Millers eventually reached a kind of detente.
凯·麦克唐纳和米勒一家最终达成了某种缓和。
Kay is no longer angry the way she was, but she says she'll never understand why Mrs. Miller stayed silent for all those years.
凯不再像以前那样生气，但她说她永远不会明白为什么米勒夫人这么多年保持沉默。
If I had as strong a feeling as she did that I had the wrong baby, I would have pursued it.
如果我像她一样强烈地感觉到我生了一个错误的孩子，我就会追求它。
I don't care whether my husband objected or not.
我不在乎我丈夫是否反对。
I feel like I should have made a wrong into a right.
我觉得我应该把错误变成正确。
I only had one daughter and she had five daughters.
我只有一个女儿，而她有五个女儿。
In fact, we weren't even sure we'd have another child.
事实上，我们甚至不确定我们是否还会再生一个孩子。
So of course, we were elated when I did get pregnant.
所以，当我怀孕时，我们当然很高兴。
And then to think that I didn't get to raise the one that I had wanted so much.
然后想到我没能养育出我非常想要的那个。
So I never will probably understand why.
所以我可能永远不会明白为什么。
I've forgiven them, but that doesn't mean that I've forgotten.
我原谅了他们，但这并不意味着我已经忘记了。
I can still wonder why and probably never will know why it didn't come up any sooner.
我仍然想知道为什么，而且可能永远不会知道为什么它没有早点出现。
Jake Halpern Mary Miller is 96 now.
杰克·哈尔彭·玛丽·米勒现年 96 岁。
She lives by herself in the country.
她一个人住在乡下。
Her house is filled with the remnants of her and Norbert's life together in the church.
她的房子里充满了她和诺伯特在教堂里共同生活的遗迹。
They were married for 60 years.
他们结婚60年了。
There's a large statue of an angel in her sitting room, which she's planning to put on her own grave.
她的客厅里有一尊巨大的天使雕像，她打算把它放在自己的坟墓上。
When I first talked to Mrs. Miller about what had happened when Mary was born, she told me pretty much the same story she told in her letter, how she knew as soon as she got home and weighed the baby that the nurses had made a mistake.
当我第一次和米勒太太谈论玛丽出生时发生的事情时，她告诉我的故事与她在信中讲述的故事几乎相同，她一回到家称量婴儿，就知道护士犯了一个错误。
Yes, I told Norbert, I think we have the wrong baby.
是的，我告诉诺伯特，我认为我们生错了孩子。
And he said, well, I wouldn't disgrace the doctor by telling him he gave us the wrong baby.
他说，好吧，我不会告诉医生他给我们生了错误的孩子，这让医生蒙羞。
And he says, this is a nice little baby.
他说，这是一个很好的小宝宝。
We'll keep her.
我们会留下她。
When your husband said to you, this baby's cute, let's keep it, did you agree with him immediately or was there a little bit of arguing back and forth over what to do?
当你的丈夫对你说，这个孩子很可爱，我们留下吧，你是立即同意他的看法还是有一些争论该怎么办？
No, we didn't argue about that.
不，我们没有为此争论。
But I kept looking for her.
但我一直在寻找她。
And I was always asking anyone who might have seen her.
我总是询问任何可能见过她的人。
In fact, when I would go down and have any touch with the McDonalds-- we got introduced to them-- I tried to talk to her about it.
事实上，当我下去和麦当劳有任何接触时——我们被介绍给他们——我试图和她谈谈这件事。
And she told somebody that I was crazy.
她告诉别人我疯了。
I was a crazy woman who thought I had her girl.
我是一个疯狂的女人，以为我得到了她的女孩。
It was a little surreal to hear her talk about it in this way, laughing like that, especially after hearing Kay McDonald's side of things.
听到她以这种方式谈论这件事，那样大笑，感觉有点超现实，尤其是在听到凯·麦克唐纳的一面之后。
But then Mrs. Miller told me more her side of this story.
但随后米勒夫人向我讲述了她对这个故事的更多看法。
For one thing, she explained just how sick she was after they'd gone home with Marti in 1951.
一方面，她解释了 1951 年他们和马蒂回家后她病得有多严重。
She was losing blood and having spasms.
她正在失血并出现痉挛。
She thought she was going to die.
她以为她快要死了。
She told me that she even started calling around trying to find someone who'd be a mother to her six children.
她告诉我，她甚至开始四处打电话，试图找到一个能成为她六个孩子的母亲的人。
The sickness, she said, lasted for six or seven months.
她说，这种病持续了六七个月。
By the time she was well, fixing the baby switch problem was that much harder.
当她康复时，解决婴儿开关问题就困难多了。
Even if she could somehow convince everyone it was true, what would happen if you suddenly took a six-month-old away from the only mother she knew?
即使她能以某种方式让所有人相信这是真的，如果你突然把一个六个月大的孩子从她认识的唯一母亲身边带走，会发生什么？
And the family's relationship with Dr. Deslack was no small thing either.
这个家族与德斯莱克博士的关系也非同小可。
Reverend Miller had made many visits to Dr. Deslack's wife when she was sick and now Dr. Deslack refused to charge the Millers for anything.
当德斯莱克医生的妻子生病时，米勒牧师曾多次探访她，而现在德斯莱克医生拒绝向米勒夫妇收取任何费用。
The Millers didn't have much money and they might not have been able to afford the health care otherwise.
米勒一家没有多少钱，否则他们可能无法负担医疗费用。
Well, of course, we felt indebted to him for doing that.
嗯，当然，我们对他这样做感到感激。
This doctor had been so kind to us and good to us.
这位医生对我们很好，对我们很好。
And why ruin all that?
为什么要毁掉这一切呢？
That's a big consideration.
这是一个很大的考虑。
Because Mrs. Miller didn't want cross her husband, all she could do was hope that maybe if she dropped enough hints, calling the girls sisters and such, Kay would eventually realize on her own what had happened.
因为米勒太太不想得罪她的丈夫，她所能做的就是希望，如果她给予足够多的暗示，称这两个女孩为姐妹之类的，凯最终会自己意识到发生了什么。
It was an odd strategy, if you can even call it that.
这是一个奇怪的策略，如果你可以这么说的话。
When Sue got married, for instance, the Millers gave her a trivet Norbert had made.
例如，当苏结婚时，米勒一家送给她一个诺伯特制作的三脚架。
The card was signed, from your other possible parents.
该卡是由您的其他可能父母签署的。
Sue dismissed it as part of the whole sister thing, which she also thought was kind of weird.
苏认为这是整个姐妹事件的一部分，她也认为这有点奇怪。
Mrs. Miller's most ambitious scheme happened after the girls graduated from high school, when they were about to be 18.
米勒夫人最雄心勃勃的计划发生在女孩们高中毕业后，当时她们即将年满 18 岁。
Mrs. Miller arranged for the McDonalds to come to dinner.
米勒夫人安排麦当劳一家来吃晚饭。
She figured if she could simply get Kay to look at Marti, Kay would figure things out.
她想如果她能让凯看看马蒂，凯就会解决问题。
The evening just ended up being kind of baffling for everyone involved, since only Mrs. Miller knew what was going on.
整个晚上对所有参与者来说都有点莫名其妙，因为只有米勒夫人知道发生了什么事。
But they didn't notice any-- I don't know why they didn't notice it that Martha looked like them and was like them.
但他们没有注意到任何——我不知道为什么他们没有注意到玛莎看起来像他们，也像他们。
I don't know why they didn't notice that.
我不知道为什么他们没有注意到这一点。
The fact is, Mrs. Miller longed for Sue, for her biological daughter, ever since she realized the mistake back in 1951.
事实上，自从 1951 年米勒夫人意识到这个错误以来，她就一直渴望苏，渴望她的亲生女儿。
But it seemed futile trying to convince her husband Norbert.
但试图说服她的丈夫诺伯特似乎是徒劳的。
I said, I think we-- it's not right to do that, to keep somebody else's baby.
我说，我认为我们这样做是不对的，保留别人的孩子。
I didn't think it was right to do that.
我认为这样做是不对的。
And every time I'd talk to him, he'd say, oh, it's all right.
每次我和他说话，他都会说，哦，没关系。
It'll be all right.
会没事的。
And I can't tell you how hard it was, but it was hard on me all along.
我无法告诉你这有多难，但这对我来说一直都很困难。
Well, no, I wasn't afraid of him.
嗯，不，我并不害怕他。
I knew there were things that I couldn't do and keep his friendship, you know, if I turned against him, like on that.
我知道有些事情我无法做并保持他的友谊，你知道，如果我反对他，就像那样。
I guess you can't understand.
我猜你无法理解。
I didn't want to have a disagreement like that with him, because that would have ruined our marriage.
我不想和他发生这样的分歧，因为那会毁掉我们的婚姻。
That would have ruined it.
那会毁掉它的。
And I didn't want it ruined.
我不想让它被毁掉。
I had six little children to take care of.
我有六个小孩需要照顾。
Was there ever a time when you thought back and thought, I should have stood my ground more with him on that?
是否曾经有一段时间你回想起来并想，我应该在这件事上更加坚定地支持他？
No, I guess I haven't, because I knew it wouldn't have worked.
不，我想我没有，因为我知道这是行不通的。
I couldn't do anything about it.
我对此无能为力。
Norbert and I had a good time while we were together.
诺伯特和我在一起度过了一段愉快的时光。
But Norbert should have gone back and said, this isn't our baby.
但诺伯特应该回去说，这不是我们的孩子。
And this was a bad decision.
这是一个错误的决定。
But he didn't realize what affect that would have on everybody to make a decision like that.
但他没有意识到这会对每个人做出这样的决定产生什么影响。
Jake Halpern Neither Sue nor Marti blames Mrs. Miller for going along with her husband.
杰克·哈尔彭 苏和马蒂都没有责怪米勒夫人与她丈夫的合作。
They say they're not angry with her.
他们说他们并不生她的气。
They knew Reverend Miller.
他们认识米勒牧师。
They understand what their relationship was like.
他们了解他们的关系是什么样的。
They understand why she didn't speak out sooner.
他们明白她为什么不早点说出来。
42 years after the switch, Reverend Miller finally laid eyes on Sue at the McDonalds' wedding anniversary party.
42年后，米勒牧师终于在麦当劳的结婚纪念日聚会上见到了苏。
And the moment he saw her, he knew that she was his biological daughter.
而当他看到她的那一刻，他就知道她是他的亲生女儿。
She looked exactly like him.
她看起来和他一模一样。
At last, Mrs. Miller felt free to act.
最后，米勒夫人终于可以采取行动了。
A month and a half later, she wrote the letter.
半个月后，她写下了这封信。
Yeah, I wanted him to agree with me.
是的，我想让他同意我的观点。
And he did.
他做到了。
He finally did.
他终于做到了。
But boy, it was a relief for me.
但是天哪，这对我来说是一种解脱。
Because that was terrible to have that hanging over you all of the time.
因为一直困扰着你真是太糟糕了。
It's sad that it happened.
发生这样的事情真是令人难过。
It took Kay an awful long time.
凯花了很长时间。
And I'm sorry for her.
我为她感到难过。
One thing Mrs. Miller doesn't regret is raising Marti.
米勒夫人不后悔的一件事是抚养马蒂。
She remembers Marti always lightening the mood in their house.
她记得马蒂总是能让家里的气氛变得轻松起来。
As a kid, she was really a live wire.
小时候，她真是一根火线。
She always had jokes.
她总是讲笑话。
She had jokes every day.
她每天都有笑话。
And she'd keep us laughing.
她会让我们开怀大笑。
It was good for us to laugh.
我们笑起来有好处。
It was really good for us to have her around.
有她在身边对我们来说真的很好。
I mean, that my kids are all so serious about their life.
我的意思是，我的孩子们对自己的生活都很认真。
They are more like I am.
他们更像我。
Before when I'd asked you if you thought it was God's will, you said yes.
之前当我问你是否认为这是上帝的旨意时，你说是的。
And is the reason because Marti brought something important to your family?
是因为 Marti 给你的家人带来了一些重要的东西吗？
"Dear Sue, I'm writing you this short note to officially give you my welcome to this Miller family and relationship."
“亲爱的苏，我写这篇简短的便条给你，是为了正式欢迎你加入米勒家族和关系。”
This is Sue reading a letter she got some time ago from her newfound Miller sister, Faith.
这是苏正在读她不久前收到的一封信，信是她新认识的米勒妹妹费思寄来的。
"Though there are many, many good things about our family and parents and being raised by that family, there were also some definite deficits.
“虽然我们的家庭和父母以及由这个家庭抚养长大的人有很多很多优点，但也存在一些明显的缺陷。
If you're ever curious as to what they were, I would be very willing to fill you in, so you fully appreciate the parents who raised you.
如果你对它们是什么感到好奇，我很愿意告诉你，这样你就会充分感激养育你的父母。
Between ourselves, Ruth and me, we, or at least I, always figured you lucked out.
在我和露丝之间，我们，或者至少是我，总是认为你很幸运。
Probably Martha with her happy-go-lucky nature could take the climate of the Miller home better.
也许玛莎天性无忧无虑，可以更好地改善米勒家的气氛。
And we hope you flourished in the McDonald household."
我们希望你在麦当劳家族里蒸蒸日上。”
So she's basically saying to you, you may have actually gotten a break here being in the family that--
所以她基本上是在对你说，你可能实际上在家庭中得到了休息——
Yeah, I lucked out.
是的，我很幸运。
Jake Halpern Are there times when you feel a little bit guilty about kind of having lucked out with the home that was maybe a little bit easier to grow up in?
杰克·哈尔彭 (Jake Halpern) 是否有时会因为自己幸运地拥有了一个更容易成长的家而感到有点内疚？
Well, sure, I guess, a little built of guilt, but it's not my fault.
嗯，当然，我想，有点内疚，但这不是我的错。
I didn't have anything to do with it.
我与这件事没有任何关系。
My sister Faith called.
我姐姐菲丝打来电话。
And she was talking about the way her mother would talk to her.
她正在谈论她母亲对她说话的方式。
And I'm thinking, how would I have survived with that kind of upbringing?
我在想，如果我受到这样的教育，我该如何生存？
And I didn't grow up like that at all.
而我根本不是这样长大的。
I don't know how I would have survived.
我不知道我该如何生存。
But Sue says there are a lot of things she missed out on, too, by not growing up with the Millers.
但苏说，由于没有和米勒一家一起长大，她也错过了很多事情。
The family did all kinds of hobbies, painting and rock polishing and 3D photography.
一家人有各种各样的爱好，绘画、岩石抛光和 3D 摄影。
They had dogs and raised angora rabbits.
他们养狗并养安哥拉兔。
All sorts of interesting people came to the house, guests from out of town and missionaries.
各种各样有趣的人来到了这所房子，有来自外地的客人和传教士。
It was a different way of living, one that she admires.
这是一种不同的生活方式，也是她所欣赏的。
As for Marti, she doesn't like to dwell on the notion that Sue might have been the one who lucked out.
至于马蒂，她不喜欢老想着苏可能是幸运的人。
Does the thought ever cross your mind, what if the switch hadn't been made?
您是否曾经想过，如果没有进行转换怎么办？
What if the McDonalds had just taken me home and I'd grown up in the house with my biological parents and my biological brother, who would I be?
如果麦当劳把我带回家，我和我的亲生父母和亲生兄弟一起在房子里长大，我会是谁？
Oh, that's a funny question.
哦，这是一个有趣的问题。
I really only thought about that one time.
我真的只考虑过一次。
I only let myself think about it one time.
我只让自己思考一次。
It was actually right after I met them.
实际上是在我遇见他们之后。
And I was going back to my mother's house.
我正要回我母亲家。
So I left Prairie du Chien and I was driving.
于是我就开车离开了Prairie du Chien。
And it was then that I started thinking, oh, my gosh, my life would have been so different.
就在那时我开始想，哦，天哪，我的生活将会如此不同。
And the more I thought about it, the more I realized, you know, I can't think about this, because it'll drive me crazy if I do.
我想得越多，我就越意识到，你知道，我不能想这个，因为如果我这样做的话，我会发疯的。
And so I kind of made a promise to myself that I would just never go down that road again, that I was just not going to go there.
所以我向自己保证，我永远不会再走那条路，我不会去那里。
And I really haven't, because there's no point.
我真的没有，因为没有意义。
Jake Halpern It's pretty rare that Marti and Sue actually meet face to face.
杰克·哈尔彭 马蒂和苏真正面对面见面是非常罕见的。
Once every few years, they get together for a large family gathering, a wedding, a graduation, a funeral.
每隔几年，他们就会聚在一起参加大型家庭聚会、婚礼、毕业典礼、葬礼。
This summer, Bob McDonald's younger son got married in Prairie du Chien.
今年夏天，鲍勃·麦克唐纳的小儿子在 Prairie du Chien 结婚了。
When Marti showed up at the house for brunch the day after the wedding, she couldn't have seemed more at home with the family that she didn't meet until her 40s.
婚礼第二天，当 Marti 出现在家里吃早午餐时，她和这家人直到 40 多岁才见面，显得非常自在。
She teased the groom and handed Bob's older son a present for his baby.
她取笑新郎，并递给鲍勃的大儿子一份礼物给他的孩子。
It's a little late.
有点晚了。
It's for your child.
这是给你的孩子的。
It's before kindergarten, so it's OK.
现在是上幼儿园之前，所以还好。
He's 10 months old.
他已经 10 个月大了。
Martha Miller Shut up.
玛莎·米勒 闭嘴。
Yeah, so it's a birthday present.
是的，所以这是一份生日礼物。
When Sue arrived, she slipped in quietly.
当苏到达时，她悄悄地溜了进去。
This was the side of the family she was raised with, but she seemed tense, watching as Marti made the rounds, everybody laughing.
这是她长大的家庭的一面，但她看起来很紧张，看着马蒂四处走动，每个人都在笑。
Having the two of them so near each other was a little awkward.
两个人靠得这么近，有点尴尬。
People were definitely aware whenever both women were in the same room.
每当两个女人在同一个房间时，人们肯定会意识到。
At one point toward the end of the party, as Sue stood nearby, Marti started talking about the room that she had grown up in in the Miller household.
聚会快结束时，苏站在附近，马蒂开始谈论她在米勒家长大的房间。
All the girls were in the same room.
所有的女孩都在同一个房间里。
Marti shared a bed with her sister, Faith, and had to crawl through this vent to get to the bathroom at night, because Faith would block the doorway to the hall.
马蒂和她的妹妹费思共用一张床，晚上必须爬过这个通风口才能去浴室，因为费思会挡住大厅的门口。
So instead of going in the hall and going out, we would crawl through the register.
因此，我们不会进大厅再出去，而是爬过收银台。
Going the normal way, like most [INAUDIBLE]?
像大多数[听不清]一样走正常的路吗？
Well, my sisters had this crazy thing going on when Faith was a teenager.
好吧，当费丝十几岁的时候，我的姐妹们就发生过这种疯狂的事情。
She would push the dresser and the cedar chest against the door.
她会把梳妆台和雪松柜推到门上。
That's Sue.
那是苏。
It was the first time I'd seen them talk to each other.
这是我第一次看到他们互相交谈。
So then you had to go through the register to get to the bathroom.
所以你必须通过收银机才能去洗手间。
To get to the bathroom, you had to go under the bed and crawl.
为了去卫生间，你必须钻到床底下爬行。
That's like a dog door.
这就像狗门一样。
Martha Miller Exactly.
玛莎·米勒 没错。
Yeah, it was like a dog door.
是的，就像一扇狗门。
Just out of curiosity, what was your room like?
只是出于好奇，你的房间是什么样的？
Yeah, what was your room like?
是啊，你的房间是什么样的？
You had your own room, didn't you, all to yourself?
你有自己的房间，不是吗？
I had my own room.
我有自己的房间。
Yes, I did.
是的，我做到了。
And my own bed, too, everything.
还有我自己的床，一切。
That's what I'm talking about.
这就是我要说的。
Yeah, whatever.
是的，无论如何。
It was a different life.
那是一种不同的生活。
Mrs. Miller says she worries for Marti and Sue, about whether they'll ever truly get along.
米勒夫人说她为马蒂和苏担心，担心他们是否能真正和睦相处。
But there's no question, things have gotten better between the two girls and their moms.
但毫无疑问，两个女孩和她们的妈妈之间的关系已经变得更好了。
Kay McDonald is still tight with Sue, the daughter she raised, but she's also much closer with Marti.
凯·麦克唐纳 (Kay McDonald) 仍然与她抚养长大的女儿苏 (Sue) 关系密切，但她与马蒂 (Marti) 的关系也更加亲密。
Kay and Marti both cried when Marti left the wedding for California.
当马蒂离开婚礼前往加利福尼亚时，凯和马蒂都哭了。
And things are good with Mrs. Miller too.
米勒夫人的处境也很好。
Marti's accepted that despite some of the clumsy things that her mother said and did when she broke the news to her, she meant well.
马蒂承认，尽管她母亲在向她透露这个消息时说了一些笨拙的话，做了一些笨拙的事情，但她的本意是好的。
Marti calls Mrs. Miller once a week to check up on her, just like Sue does.
马蒂每周给米勒夫人打电话一次，了解她的情况，就像苏一样。
Now that the big family questions are mostly worked out, one of the toughest things both Marti and Sue have to deal with is logistical.
现在，大家庭问题已基本解决，马蒂和苏必须处理的最棘手的事情之一就是后勤工作。
Having two sets of parents and two full sets of siblings and cousins is kind of a practical headache.
有两对父母和两对兄弟姐妹和表兄弟姐妹是一件令人头痛的事情。
There are birthdays and graduations and figuring out where to spend holidays.
还有生日和毕业典礼，还要考虑去哪里度假。
Earlier this month, Sue's daughter got married in Michigan.
本月早些时候，苏的女儿在密歇根州结婚。
All the Millers were invited and all the McDonalds were too.
所有的米勒店和所有的麦当劳店都被邀请了。
Marti considered whether she should go.
马蒂考虑是否应该去。
She didn't grow up with Sue, after all, and she's not actually related to her or to her kids.
毕竟，她不是和苏一起长大的，而且她与苏或她的孩子实际上没有血缘关系。
But in the end, she made the trip, because she's a Miller and so is Sue, and she's a McDonald and so is Sue.
但最终她还是成功了，因为她是米勒人，苏也是，她是麦当劳，苏也是。
Ira Glass Jake Halpern.
艾拉·格拉斯·杰克·哈尔彭。
He's the creator of the new comic "Welcome to the New World-- The True Story of a Refugee Family from Syria," which runs weekly in the "New York Times."
他是新漫画《欢迎来到新世界——叙利亚难民家庭的真实故事》的创作者，该漫画每周在《纽约时报》上播出。
Since we first broadcast this story in 2008, the mom who knew about the baby switch at the time, Mary Kay Miller, has died.
自从我们在 2008 年首次播出这个故事以来，当时知道婴儿转换的妈妈玛丽·凯·米勒 (Mary Kay Miller) 已经去世了。
She was 98 years old.
她已经98岁了。
Well, our program was produced today by Jane Marie and myself.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由简·玛丽和我自己制作的。
Our staff for today's show includes Alex Blumberg, Sarah Koenig, Seth Lind, Lisa Pollak, Robin Semien, Alissa Shipp, Matt Tierney, Nancy Updike, and Diane Wu.
今天节目的工作人员包括 Alex Blumberg、Sarah Koenig、Seth Lind、Lisa Pollak、Robin Semien、Alissa Shipp、Matt Tierney、Nancy Updike 和 Diane Wu。
Our senior producer for this episode is Julie Snyder.
我们本集的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Music help from Jessica Hopper.
杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Thanks, especially, to the McDonald and Miller families for letting us into their homes and telling their stories.
[致谢] 特别感谢麦克唐纳和米勒家族让我们进入他们的家并讲述他们的故事。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
"This American Life" is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, to run a big radio station was not always the dream job that he wanted.
要知道，经营一家大型广播电台并不总是他想要的梦想工作。
No, no, no. His heart was elsewhere.
不，不，不。他的心在别处。
I tried out for cheerleading.
我尝试参加啦啦队。
I just couldn't do it.
我就是做不到。
And I wanted to be a cheerleader.
我想成为一名啦啦队长。
I didn't get picked.
我没有被选中。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of "This American Life."
下周将带来更多“美国生活”的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。