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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life-- I'm Ira Glass.
序言 Ira Glass 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这就是美国生活——我是 Ira Glass。
[MUSIC - "MYSTERY OF THE DUNBAR'S CHILD" BY RICHARD "RABBIT" BROWN]
[音乐 - 理查德“兔子”布朗的“邓巴之子之谜”]
It used to be if something was big news, it got turned into a song.
过去，如果某件事是大新闻，它就会变成一首歌。
This one's about a famous kidnapping that happened in 1912, the kidnapping of Bobby Dunbar, a four-year-old boy.
该剧讲述了 1912 年发生的一起著名绑架案，绑架了一名四岁男孩鲍比·邓巴 (Bobby Dunbar)。
For two years, the details of his disappearance, and the search for him, and how he was found, and the trial of his kidnapper was all front page news, reported breathlessly all across the country.
两年来，他失踪的细节、对他的搜寻、他是如何被发现的，以及对绑架者的审判都是头条新闻，全国各地都气喘吁吁地报道。
But some of the biggest mysteries of the case were never solved, until long after nearly everybody involved was dead, almost a century after it happened, the mysteries finally got solved when one of Bobby Dunbar's descendants started poking around the old stories, looking for answers she wasn't really expecting to find.
但该案的一些最大的谜团从未解开，直到几乎所有涉案人员都死了很久之后，也就是案件发生近一个世纪后，当鲍比·邓巴的一位后代开始翻阅这些古老的故事，寻找她并不真正期望找到的答案时，谜团终于得到了解决。
Today, we devote our entire show to the legend of Bobby Dunbar and to what his granddaughter discovered-- the messy, real story of what actually happened, which, as you'll hear, turns out to be a lot more interesting than the legend.
今天，我们的整个节目都致力于鲍比·邓巴的传奇和他的孙女的发现——实际发生的混乱而真实的故事，正如你所听到的，事实证明它比传说有趣得多。
Tal McThenia is our reporter.
塔尔·麦克塞尼亚是我们的记者。
Everybody in the family knew it-- the legend of Bobby Dunbar, the lost boy who was found.
家里的每个人都知道这件事——鲍比·邓巴（Bobby Dunbar）的传奇，那个失踪的男孩被找到了。
Well, the legend was that, back in the early 1900s, my grandfather became missing.
嗯，传说是在 1900 年代初，我的祖父失踪了。
My grandfather had gone on a camping trip with his parents.
我的祖父和他的父母一起去野营旅行。
It was on a lake.
那是在一个湖上。
Swayze Lake.
斯威兹湖。
It's actually a swamp in Louisiana.
它实际上是路易斯安那州的一片沼泽。
And he disappeared.
然后他就消失了。
Bobby was just four years old at the time, and Swayze Lake was teeming with alligators, surrounded by dark, thick woods.
鲍比当时只有四岁，斯威兹湖里到处都是鳄鱼，周围是黑暗茂密的树林。
There was a massive search that started in the swamp and spread across the country, but nothing for eight months, until--
一场大规模的搜索从沼泽地开始，扩展到全国各地，但八个月没有任何进展，直到——
They found him in Mississippi in the hands of a Mr. Walters.
他们在密西西比州发现他在沃尔特斯先生的手中。
They brought him home.
他们把他带回家。
Rode in on a fire truck.
乘坐消防车赶来。
There was a tremendous parade, with a fire truck.
举行了一场盛大的游行，还有一辆消防车。
And the whole town came out.
于是全镇的人都出来了。
And there was a band, and everybody celebrated.
还有一支乐队，每个人都在庆祝。
And he was found.
他被发现了。
But Bobby Dunbar wasn't out of danger yet.
但鲍比·邓巴还没有脱离危险。
Someone else tried to claim him, another mother.
有人试图认领他，另一个母亲。
She'd lost her child, too, and said that the boy they found in Mississippi was hers.
她也失去了孩子，并说他们在密西西比州找到的男孩是她的。
There was a big trial that proved her wrong, and Bobby stayed with his parents, Percy and Lessie Dunbar, in Opelousas, where he lived for the rest of his life.
一场大审判证明她错了，鲍比和他的父母珀西·邓巴和莱西·邓巴一起住在奥佩卢萨斯，他在那里度过了余生。
It was just a story, a tale you would tell your grandchildren.
这只是一个故事，一个你会告诉你的孙辈的故事。
Which she would know.
她会知道的。
She was one of them.
她就是其中之一。
Margaret Dunbar Cutright, out of everyone in the family, was the most captivated by the legend of her grandfather's kidnapping.
玛格丽特·邓巴·卡特赖特 (Margaret Dunbar Cutright) 是家里所有人中最被她祖父被绑架的传说所吸引的一个。
As a girl, she would beg her grandmother to tell the story over and over.
作为一个女孩，她会一遍又一遍地央求祖母讲这个故事。
When she had children of her own, Margaret told them the legend, too.
当玛格丽特有了自己的孩子后，她也给他们讲述了这个传说。
Then, in 1999, her younger brother, Robbie, died in a plane crash.
1999 年，她的弟弟罗比 (Robbie) 死于飞机失事。
A month later, she was sitting in the den with her father, and he gave her a scrapbook that had been her great grandmother's, overstuffed with photographs and letters and newspaper clippings from the early 1900s, all about her grandfather's kidnapping.
一个月后，她和父亲坐在书房里，父亲给了她一本曾祖母的剪贴簿，里面塞满了 1900 年代初期的照片、信件和剪报，全都是关于她祖父被绑架的事情。
It was about 400 articles, not in chronological order.
大约有400篇文章，不按时间顺序排列。
Dad said, this would be a great project for you, Margaret.
爸爸说，这对你来说是一个很棒的项目，玛格丽特。
He had no idea what would come of that.
他不知道会发生什么。
Without realizing it, Bob had set his daughter on a path that would nearly tear their family apart.
鲍勃在没有意识到的情况下让他的女儿走上了一条几乎导致家庭破裂的道路。
But in the beginning, all Margaret knew was that the scrapbook felt like the thing she'd been waiting for.
但一开始，玛格丽特只知道这本剪贴簿就是她一直在等待的东西。
In 1999, her kids were growing up and in the house less and less.
1999年，她的孩子们渐渐长大，呆在家里的时间越来越少。
Her husband, Wayne, was working in a different state and only home on weekends.
她的丈夫韦恩在另一个州工作，只有周末才回家。
And Margaret was in mourning for her brother.
玛格丽特正在为她的兄弟哀悼。
She had long, empty days, and the scrapbook could fill them.
她的日子漫长而空虚，剪贴簿可以填满它们。
But the more she dug in, the more she began to realize this was not the breezy adventure tale she'd grown up imagining.
但她越深入，就越开始意识到这并不是她从小到大想象的轻松的冒险故事。
Even the simplest moments in the story, like when her great grandparents are finally united with their son after an eight-month-long national search.
即使是故事中最简单的时刻，比如她的曾祖父母经过八个月的全国搜寻后终于与儿子团聚。
Reporters from several papers were following the couple, Lessie and Percy Dunbar, on the train to Mississippi.
几家报纸的记者在前往密西西比州的火车上跟踪莱西·邓巴和珀西·邓巴夫妇。
Throngs of people were surrounding the house where the boy was being kept.
成群结队的人包围了男孩被关押的房子。
Lessie and Percy went inside, but reports diverge on what happened next.
莱西和珀西进去了，但对接下来发生的事情的报道存在分歧。
This article says that the mother faints.
这篇文章说的是母亲晕倒了。
The headline reads, "Mother Faints, Sight of Kidnapped Child.
标题是：“母亲晕倒，看到被绑架的孩子。
When the mother reached the house where the boy was being kept, he was asleep.
当母亲到达男孩被关押的房子时，他已经睡着了。
Mrs. Dunbar made a careful examination of the lad without awakening him and was standing over the bed a few hours later, when the child opened his eyes.
邓巴夫人在没有吵醒他的情况下仔细检查了这个孩子，几个小时后，当孩子睁开眼睛时，她站在床边。
The boy recognized his mother instantly.
男孩立刻认出了他的母亲。
'Mother,' he cried as he reached up and stretched out his arms to her.
“妈妈，”他一边喊着，一边向她伸出双臂。
The mother convulsively embraced the boy and then fainted."
母亲痉挛地拥抱了男孩，然后就晕了过去。”
And the second article, the headline was, "Mrs. Dunbar Not Positive Lad is Her Missing Boy.
第二篇文章的标题是“邓巴夫人不积极的小伙子是她失踪的男孩。
When they reached the home, the child was asleep at the time.
当他们到达家时，孩子已经睡着了。
When awakened, it began to cry.
当它醒来时，它开始哭泣。
Mrs. Dunbar looked in the dim light of a smoky oil lamp and then fell back with a gasp.
邓巴太太在冒着烟的油灯的昏暗灯光下看了看，然后倒在了一边，倒吸了一口冷气。
'I do not know.
'我不知道。
I am not quite sure,' faltered Mrs. Dunbar."
“我不太确定，”邓巴夫人结结巴巴地说。
In fact, Percy and Lessie both told the papers that the boy didn't look like their son.
事实上，珀西和莱西都告诉报纸，这个男孩看起来不像他们的儿子。
His eyes were too small.
他的眼睛太小了。
But then the next day, they came back and Lessie gave the boy a bath and identified the moles and scars on his skin and declared he was hers.
但第二天，他们回来了，莱西给男孩洗澡，辨认出他皮肤上的痣和疤痕，并宣布他是她的。
And according to some newspapers, Bobby didn't recognize his father or mother, either, or his brother Alonzo.
据一些报纸报道，鲍比也不认识他的父亲或母亲，也不认识他的兄弟阿朗佐。
One paper said, quote, "Bobby, at first meeting, turns upon Alonzo with a scowl of anger.
一篇报纸援引这样的话说：“鲍比第一次见面时就怒气冲冲地转向阿朗佐。
There appeared no recognition of his little brother." And then another paper said, quote, "The instant they met, Robert said, 'there's my bubba, Alonzo,' and reached over and kissed him."
看起来没有认出他的弟弟。”然后另一篇报纸说，“他们一见面，罗伯特就说，‘这是我的布巴，阿朗佐’，然后伸手吻了他。”
It was a frequent occurrence in the newspapers to contradict one another.
报纸上经常出现互相矛盾的情况。
It's very difficult to know for certain what really happened.
很难确定到底发生了什么。
So to sort out what happened, to try to get to the truth of the story, Margaret went on an obsessive quest to small-town libraries and archives and courthouses all over the South.
因此，为了弄清楚发生的事情，为了弄清故事的真相，玛格丽特对南方各地的小镇图书馆、档案馆和法院进行了痴迷的探索。
For her birthday, her husband gave her a card for the Library of Congress, and she spent weeks in the reading rooms there.
在她生日那天，她的丈夫送给她一张国会图书馆的卡片，她在那里的阅览室呆了几个星期。
And as she dug into the historical record, certain figures from the family legend started to seem like real people for the first time.
当她深入研究历史记录时，家族传说中的某些人物第一次开始看起来像真实的人。
Take the mother who came forward and claimed that Bobby Dunbar was actually her child.
以那位站出来声称鲍比·邓巴实际上是她的孩子的母亲为例。
Margaret had never given her much thought.
玛格丽特从来没有多想过她。
She'd just been the woman trying to steal her grandfather.
她就是那个想偷走她祖父的女人。
But in the newspapers, this woman has a name-- Julia Anderson.
但在报纸上，这个女人有一个名字——朱莉娅·安德森。
She's a single mom working in North Carolina as a field hand and a caretaker for the parents of William C.
她是一位单亲妈妈，在北卡罗来纳州工作，担任田间工作人员和威廉·C·肯尼迪父母的看护人。
Walters, the kidnapper.
沃尔特斯，绑架者。
Walters claimed that Julia gave him the boy willingly, that his name wasn't Bobby Dunbar, but Bruce Anderson, and that they'd been traveling together for over a year.
沃尔特斯声称朱莉娅自愿给了他这个男孩，他的名字不是鲍比·邓巴，而是布鲁斯·安德森，而且他们已经一起旅行了一年多。
When Julia first shows up in the papers, she confirms his story, although she contests some of his details.
当朱莉娅第一次出现在报纸上时，她证实了他的故事，尽管她对他的一些细节提出了质疑。
The first article that even brought her into light, in a way-- there was an affidavit printed.
在某种程度上，第一篇甚至让她曝光的文章是一份宣誓书。
"William C.
“威廉·C.
Walters left Barnesville, North Carolina, with my son, Charles Bruce, in February of 1912, saying that he only wanted to take the child with him for a few days on a visit to the home of his sister.
1912 年 2 月，沃尔特斯带着我的儿子查尔斯·布鲁斯 (Charles Bruce) 离开北卡罗来纳州巴恩斯维尔，他说他只想带孩子去他姐姐家玩几天。
I have not seen the child from that day to this.
从那天到现在我都没有见过那个孩子。
I did not give him the child, I merely consented for him to take my son for a few days.
我没有把孩子给他，只是同意他带着我儿子住几天。
Walters had been at the home of his father, Mr. JP Walters, near Barnesville since November of 1911.
自 1911 年 11 月以来，沃尔特斯一直住在他父亲 JP 沃尔特斯先生位于巴恩斯维尔附近的家中。
And while he was there, he and the child were together a great deal and seemed very fond of each other.
当他在那里的时候，他和孩子经常在一起，看起来非常喜欢彼此。
The boy would go anywhere with Walters.
这个男孩会和沃尔特斯一起去任何地方。
I would know my son if I were to see him, and I am sure he would know me.
如果我见到我的儿子，我就会认识他，我相信他也会认识我。
I have no picture of the child, but have a lock of his hair."
我没有孩子的照片，但有他的一绺头发。”
Her statement struck me as a very truthful statement.
她的陈述让我觉得非常真实。
This woman was telling truth.
这个女人说的是实话。
She did have a son.
她确实有一个儿子。
And my heart hurts for Julia at this point, believing that this boy is her son.
此时此刻，我为朱莉娅感到心痛，因为我相信这个男孩是她的儿子。
You know, it's really awkward because Lessie and Julia are in the same position.
你知道，这真的很尴尬，因为莱西和朱莉娅处于同样的位置。
They're both missing children.
他们俩都失踪了。
From May of 1913 on, Julia was all over the headlines.
从 1913 年 5 月起，朱莉娅就成了新闻头条。
A New Orleans paper paid for her trip to Opelousas to see if she really could identify the boy as hers.
新奥尔良的一家报纸支付了她前往奥佩卢萨斯的费用，看看她是否真的能认出这个男孩是她的。
The story, as it was played out in the front pages, was this.
正如头版所报道的那样，故事是这样的。
Julia arrived, weary from an overnight train ride, and was taken into an Opelousas home.
朱莉娅因乘了一夜的火车而疲惫不堪，她被带到了奥佩卢萨斯的家中。
Five boys around Bruce's age, including the child the Dunbars had claimed as Bobby, were brought in at different times, and Julia had to choose.
五个与布鲁斯年龄相仿的男孩，包括邓巴夫妇声称的鲍比的孩子，在不同的时间被带进来，朱莉娅必须做出选择。
When Bobby came in, he was in tears, and so was Julia.
当鲍比进来时，他泪流满面，朱莉娅也是。
He showed no signs of recognition, even when she offered him an orange.
即使她递给他一个橙子，他也没有表现出任何认可的迹象。
But Julia asked the lawyers in the room if this was the child who was recovered.
但朱莉娅询问房间里的律师，这是否就是被找回的孩子。
They refused to answer.
他们拒绝回答。
Finally, she said she just didn't know, and the test was declared a failure.
最后，她说她只是不知道，测试被宣告失败。
Julia begged for a second chance.
朱莉娅请求再给一次机会。
And the next day, she was allowed to see the boy again and undress him.
第二天，她被允许再次见到男孩并脱掉他的衣服。
This time, she felt more certain that it was her son.
这一次，她更加确定那是她的儿子了。
But her failure the night before was already national news.
但她前一天晚上的失败已经成为全国新闻。
Julia had no lawyer and no money and very few allies in Opelousas, so she left town and began the long trip back to North Carolina.
朱莉娅在奥佩卢萨斯没有律师，没有钱，盟友也很少，所以她离开了小镇，开始了返回北卡罗来纳州的长途旅行。
And from that point on, the boy was Bobby Dunbar.
从那时起，这个男孩就成了鲍比·邓巴。
The more Margaret learned about Julia Anderson's life, the more tragic the story seemed.
玛格丽特对朱莉娅·安德森的生活了解得越多，这个故事就显得越悲惨。
Julia had three children by two different men, neither her husband.
朱莉娅与两个不同的男人生了三个孩子，都不是她的丈夫。
And she'd lost all her children in just a single year-- a daughter she gave up for adoption, a baby whose sudden death she was wrongfully blamed for, and now Bruce.
仅仅一年之内，她就失去了所有的孩子——一个被她放弃收养的女儿，一个被错误归咎于她突然死亡的婴儿，现在还有布鲁斯。
But the newspapers weren't very sympathetic.
但报纸并不太同情。
They implied she was a prostitute, called her illiterate and naive.
他们暗示她是妓女，称她文盲、天真。
Take this article in the New Orleans Item titled, "Julia Has Forgotten."
以新奥尔良条目中标题为“朱莉娅已忘记”的这篇文章为例。
"Julia Has Forgotten," by Jerome G.
《朱莉娅已经忘记了》，杰罗姆·G.
Beatty.
比蒂。
"Her long journey had been in vain.
“她的长途旅行是徒劳的。
She had not seen her son since February of 1912, and she had forgotten him.
自从 1912 年 2 月以来，她就没有见过她的儿子，她已经忘记了他。
Animals don't forget, but this big, coarse countrywoman, several times a mother, she forgot.
动物不会忘记，但这个又大又粗的乡下女人，几度当过母亲，她却忘记了。
She cared little for her young.
她不太关心她的孩子。
Children were only regrettable incidents in her life."
孩子只是她一生中令人遗憾的事件。”
"She hopes her son isn't dead, just as she hopes that the cotton crop will be good this year.
“她希望她的儿子没有死，就像她希望今年棉花收成好一样。
Of true mother love, she has none."
她没有真正的母爱。”
See?
看？
How judgmental.
多么有判断力。
Tal Mcthenia Then one day, Margaret found a Julia Anderson listed on an online genealogy site with this biographical note.
然后有一天，玛格丽特发现在线家谱网站上列出了朱莉娅·安德森（Julia Anderson），并附有这份传记。
Quote, "Julia had a son from her first marriage, named Bruce, who was kidnapped from North Carolina when he was six years old and taken to Louisiana.
引用：“朱莉娅在第一次婚姻中生了一个儿子，名叫布鲁斯，他六岁时从北卡罗来纳州被绑架并被带到路易斯安那州。
She tried to get him back, but the people that kidnapped him won him in court and changed his name to Bobby Dunbar."
她试图把他救回来，但绑架他的人在法庭上赢得了他的胜利，并将他的名字改成了鲍比·邓巴。”
Well, that was not what my grandmother told me.
嗯，那不是我祖母告诉我的。
That was not right.
那是不对的。
It was like an upside down world opened up to Margaret, with a family who believed exactly the opposite of what her family believed.
这就像向玛格丽特打开了一个颠倒的世界，她的家人的信念与她家人的信念完全相反。
And in 2000, Margaret did what nobody else in her family, to her knowledge, had ever done before.
2000 年，据她所知，玛格丽特做了她家里其他人从未做过的事情。
She went to meet and visit with the descendants of Julia Anderson, her two living children, Hollis Rawls and Jewel Tarver, and Jewel's daughter, Linda.
她去拜访并拜访了朱莉娅·安德森的后裔、她在世的两个孩子霍利斯·罗尔斯和朱厄尔·塔弗，以及朱厄尔的女儿琳达。
My name is Linda Tarver, and I'm the daughter of Jewel Rawls Tarver, who is the daughter of Julia Anderson.
我叫琳达·塔弗，朱尔·罗尔斯·塔弗的女儿，朱莉娅·安德森的女儿。
And Julia Anderson would be my grandmother.
朱莉娅·安德森将是我的祖母。
All of us cousins grew up-- we knew that we had an uncle that had been taken by the Dunbar family in Opelousas, Louisiana.
我们所有的表兄弟都长大了——我们知道我们有一个叔叔被路易斯安那州奥珀卢萨斯的邓巴家族带走。
We always said "kidnapped." We said they kidnapped him.
我们总是说“被绑架”。我们说他们绑架了他。
From the Andersons, Margaret learned what happened to Julia after the controversy over Bobby Dunbar.
玛格丽特从安德森一家得知了鲍比·邓巴争议后朱莉娅的遭遇。
Julia moved to Poplarville, Mississippi, 200 miles east of Opelousas, got married, and had seven children.
朱莉娅搬到了密西西比州波普拉维尔（Opelousas 以东 200 英里），结婚并育有 7 个孩子。
Jewel and Hollis are the youngest, now in their 80s.
朱厄尔和霍利斯是最年轻的，现在已经 80 多岁了。
Talking to Jewel and Hollis and Linda, a very different picture of Julia emerges than the one in the newspapers of a barely literate woman of loose morals.
在与朱厄尔、霍利斯和琳达交谈时，朱莉娅的形象与报纸上的一个几乎不识字、道德败坏的女人的形象截然不同。
Here's Linda.
这是琳达。
Grandmother loved to read, and she used to read Zane Grey books.
祖母喜欢读书，她经常读赞恩·格雷的书。
And then she would sit them around at night and she would tell them the stories that she had read that day.
然后她会在晚上让他们坐在一起，给他们讲她那天读过的故事。
But then, when she became a Christian, she decided reading Zane Grey was the wrong thing to, so they never got anymore Zane Grey stories, but they had to listen to the Bible then.
但后来，当她成为一名基督徒时，她认为阅读赞恩·格雷是错误的事情，所以他们再也没有听过赞恩·格雷的故事，但那时他们必须听圣经。
This is Jewel and Hollis, Julia's children.
这是朱莉娅和霍利斯，朱莉娅的孩子。
And we'd walk through these woods, across an old hickory log, across a creek, and go to church.
我们会穿过这些树林，穿过一根古老的山核桃木原木，穿过一条小溪，然后去教堂。
And it'd be dinnertime before we'd leave, and we'd starve to death before we got home.
我们出发前已经是晚饭时间了，而我们在回家之前就已经饿死了。
Hollis and Jewel revere their mother.
霍利斯和朱厄尔尊敬他们的母亲。
Julia didn't just go to church, they say, she founded the church.
他们说，朱莉娅不仅去教堂，她还创立了教堂。
She was a nurse and a midwife for the entire community.
她是整个社区的护士和助产士。
During the Depression, she sewed all her children's clothes out of fertilizer bags.
大萧条期间，她用化肥袋缝制了所有孩子们的衣服。
And they were always well fed.
而且他们总是吃得饱饱的。
There was only one thing missing.
只缺少一件事。
She always talked about Bruce, but she called him Bobby.
她总是谈论布鲁斯，但她称他为鲍比。
She was always looking for him.
她一直在寻找他。
She never forgot it-- never, ever forgot the boy.
她永远不会忘记——永远、永远不会忘记那个男孩。
And she'd always, once in a while, bring it up, and what the boy looked like.
她总是时不时地提起这件事，以及那个男孩的长相。
And she'd take a while to tell it, you know, about he did so and so and this, that, and the other, you know?
她会花一些时间来讲述，你知道，关于他做了某事，这个，那个，还有其他，你知道吗？
And if it'd been possible for her to have got the child legally back or anything, she would have done it, if possible.
如果她有可能合法地找回孩子或者其他什么的话，如果可能的话，她会这么做的。
She would have.
她会的。
She loved the child.
她爱这个孩子。
She loved Bruce.
她爱布鲁斯。
She sure did.
她确实做到了。
So growing up, you knew that Bruce was out there.
所以在成长过程中，你知道布鲁斯就在那里。
We knew.
我们知道。
Jewel Tarver We knew we had a brother.
朱厄尔·塔弗 我们知道我们有一个兄弟。
We knew we had a brother.
我们知道我们有一个兄弟。
Jewel Tarver We knew it.
朱厄尔·塔弗 我们知道这一点。
We knew that.
我们知道这一点。
Jewel Tarver We kept thinking, well, one day, we'll get to go to this town, and we'll find him.
朱厄尔·塔弗 我们一直在想，好吧，有一天，我们会去这个小镇，然后找到他。
But we never did go.
但我们从来没有去过。
Even though Opelousas is just 200 miles from Poplarville, they didn't have a lot of money back then, and that kind of travel was expensive.
尽管Opelousas距离Poplarville只有200英里，但当时他们并没有很多钱，而且那种旅行很昂贵。
They told me that when Julia went back up to North Carolina for her mother's funeral, they had to sell the family mule to pay for the trip.
他们告诉我，当朱莉娅回到北卡罗来纳州参加她母亲的葬礼时，他们不得不卖掉家里的骡子来支付旅费。
But it wasn't just the cost, Hollis says.
霍利斯说，但这不仅仅是成本。
I reckon you'd be afraid, if you want to know the real word.
如果你想知道真正的词，我想你会害怕。
I knew, according to the signs and things that they had in Opelousas, that the Dunbars were well-off people.
根据奥珀卢萨斯的迹象和事物，我知道邓巴一家是富裕的人。
Dunbars everywhere.
邓巴无处不在。
Hollis Rawls Everywhere you look, there's a Dunbar sign on a building.
霍利斯·罗尔斯 (Hollis Rawls) 随处可见，建筑物上都有邓巴标志。
They're something of the-- and people that has those signs up, I was always told that you didn't mess with them.
他们是那些有这些标志的人，我总是被告知你不能惹他们。
And we figured if they took Mama's son, well, what kind of people were they to begin with?
我们想，如果他们带走了妈妈的儿子，那么他们一开始会是什么样的人？
And if people can do that through the laws and get away with it, who are we to try to do or interfere with something like that?
如果人们可以通过法律做到这一点并且侥幸逃脱惩罚，那么我们有什么资格试图做或干涉类似的事情呢？
For all the new things Margaret learned about Julia Anderson's family, one of the most surprising revelations Jewel and Hollis offered was about Margaret's grandfather.
尽管玛格丽特了解到了有关朱莉娅·安德森家族的所有新事物，但朱厄尔和霍利斯提供的最令人惊讶的启示之一是关于玛格丽特的祖父。
As much as the Andersons wondered about Bobby, it seemed he'd been wondering about them, as well.
正如安德森一家对鲍比感到好奇一样，他似乎也对他们感到好奇。
Hollis remembers a day in 1944, maybe, when he was in his late 20s.
霍利斯记得大概是 1944 年的一天，当时他才 20 多岁。
He was working at an ice plant in Poplarville, and a man he'd never seen before came in and started making small talk.
他正在波普拉维尔的一家制冰厂工作，一个他以前从未见过的男人走进来并开始闲聊。
Finally, he introduced himself.
最后，他做了自我介绍。
He was Bobby Dunbar from Opelousas, Louisiana.
他是来自路易斯安那州奥佩卢萨斯的鲍比·邓巴。
Hollis was startled.
霍利斯吃了一惊。
But before he could process it, a customer came in and Hollis had to rush off to work.
但还没等他处理完，一位顾客就进来了，霍利斯不得不赶去上班。
When he came back, Bobby was still there.
当他回来时，鲍比还在那里。
More small talk, and now a lot of looking each other over.
更多闲聊，现在更多地互相审视。
But Hollis' work got in the way again, and eventually Bobby left.
但霍利斯的工作再次妨碍了他，最终鲍比离开了。
But 30 minutes after he left, it dawned on me what I had done.
但在他离开 30 分钟后，我才意识到自己做了什么。
Here was a man that I'd been looking for for 20, almost 30-- 20-something years, anyhow, and Mother had been telling me about.
我一直在寻找这个男人 20 年，差不多 30 年——20 多年了，无论如何，母亲也一直告诉过我。
Here he is, looking me straight in the eye, and I didn't do nothing about trying to find out more about the situation.
他就在这里，直视着我的眼睛，而我并没有采取任何行动来了解更多有关情况的信息。
But I didn't.
但我没有。
I just didn't, and I regret that.
我只是没有这么做，我对此感到遗憾。
Hollis' sister, Jewel, had a similar story.
霍利斯的妹妹朱厄尔也有类似的故事。
She was working at a service station that she and her husband ran at a crossroads outside Poplarville.
她当时在她和丈夫在波普拉维尔郊外的十字路口经营的一家加油站工作。
A man came in and talked to her for maybe an hour, she says, just sat and drank coffee, looking only at her and asking all kinds of questions.
她说，一个男人进来和她聊了大约一个小时，只是坐下来喝咖啡，只看着她，问各种各样的问题。
But he didn't identify himself.
但他没有表明自己的身份。
After he left then and I got to thinking about it, I said, that is who I believe he was-- Bobby.
他离开后，我开始思考这件事，我说，我相信他就是——鲍比。
When Margaret heard this story during her first visit with Hollis and Jewel back in 2000, she had her doubts.
2000 年，当玛格丽特第一次拜访霍利斯和朱厄尔时听到这个故事时，她产生了怀疑。
But later, Margaret was visiting with her uncle and aunt, her father's siblings.
但后来，玛格丽特去看望她的叔叔和婶婶，也就是她父亲的兄弟姐妹。
And while they were in the car, Margaret was telling them about her research and the mysterious encounters that Hollis and Jewel remembered.
当他们在车里时，玛格丽特向他们讲述了她的研究以及霍利斯和朱厄尔记得的神秘遭遇。
In the rear view mirror, she saw her uncle and aunt exchange a charged look.
从后视镜里，她看到叔叔和婶婶交换着紧张的眼神。
Then they told her this story.
然后他们给她讲了这个故事。
Here's Margaret's uncle, Gerald, Bobby Dunbar's youngest son.
这是玛格丽特的叔叔杰拉尔德，鲍比·邓巴最小的儿子。
It would have been 1963, so I would have been 13 years old, right?
那是 1963 年，那么我当时就 13 岁了，对吗？
We were coming back from a trip, my brother's wedding in Ohio, in Cincinnati.
我们刚从俄亥俄州辛辛那提参加我哥哥的婚礼回来。
And on the way back, we went through Mississippi.
在回来的路上，我们经过密西西比州。
And I remember my dad pointing.
我记得我爸爸指着我。
He says, those were the people that they came to pick me up from.
他说，他们就是来接我的。
And he asked, he said, should I stop?
他问，他说，我应该停下来吗？
And my mother sort of responded, if you think you should.
我母亲也做出了回应，如果你认为你应该这样做的话。
And so they did.
他们也确实这么做了。
We stopped.
我们停了下来。
Then he went into the store.
然后他走进了商店。
And so we stayed there for maybe 30 minutes or so.
所以我们在那里呆了大约 30 分钟左右。
And he came back, and we left.
然后他回来了，我们就离开了。
Margaret, the granddaughter of Bobby Dunbar, and Linda, the granddaughter of Julia Anderson, interpreted this eerie coincidence differently.
鲍比·邓巴的孙女玛格丽特和朱莉娅·安德森的孙女琳达对这一怪异的巧合有着不同的解释。
They'd been discussing Margaret's research on the phone and online since they first met.
自从第一次见面以来，他们就一直在电话和网上讨论玛格丽特的研究。
On the one hand, they were ideal research partners since they both were singularly fascinated with the story.
一方面，他们是理想的研究伙伴，因为他们都对这个故事非常着迷。
But on the other hand, it was an uneasy alliance.
但另一方面，这是一个不稳定的联盟。
Here's Linda.
这是琳达。
Margaret was totally convinced that it was Bobby Dunbar all along.
玛格丽特一直坚信那人就是鲍比·邓巴。
I was totally convinced that it was Bruce Anderson all along.
我一直坚信那人就是布鲁斯·安德森。
We understood that we were both coming from different angles.
我们知道我们都是从不同的角度出发的。
Again, Margaret.
再说一遍，玛格丽特。
Margaret Dunbar Cutright But what was there to do but butt heads, you know?
玛格丽特·邓巴·卡特莱特 但是除了撞头还能做什么，你知道吗？
And yet, we tried to do it very subtly for months.
然而，我们几个月来一直试图非常巧妙地做到这一点。
Good morning to everyone.
大家早上好。
And we are certainly glad to have all of you with us.
我们当然很高兴你们所有人与我们在一起。
Agreeing to disagree gets old fast.
同意不同意见很快就会过时。
The differences between Margaret and Linda came to a head in Columbia, Mississippi, when Margaret was invited to share her research at the Historical Society in town.
当玛格丽特受邀在镇上的历史学会分享她的研究成果时，玛格丽特和琳达之间的分歧在密西西比州哥伦比亚达到了顶峰。
The sound you're hearing is from a video of the event.
您听到的声音来自该事件的视频。
In the front of the room were Julia Anderson's children, Hollis and Jewel.
房间前面坐着朱莉娅·安德森的孩子霍利斯和朱厄尔。
Several times during her presentation, Margaret used phrases like this.
玛格丽特在演讲中多次使用了这样的短语。
The illegitimate child of a domestic, Julia Anderson.
家庭主妇朱莉娅·安德森的私生子。
The illegitimate child of a domestic, Julia Anderson.
家庭主妇朱莉娅·安德森的私生子。
Jewel and Hollis bristled.
朱厄尔和霍利斯勃然大怒。
That was their mom she was talking about.
她说的就是他们的妈妈。
Margaret went on to describe Julia like a character in a story-- working in the fields with coarse hands and bare, dirty feet.
玛格丽特接着把朱莉娅描述为故事中的一个人物——双手粗糙，赤脚肮脏，在田里干活。
And she made it clear that she didn't really believe the Anderson family's version of what happened, that Bobby was Bruce, but her own family's, that Bobby was Bobby, son of her great grandparents, Percy and Lessie Dunbar.
她明确表示，她并不真正相信安德森家族对所发生事件的说法，即鲍比是布鲁斯，而是她自己家人的说法，即鲍比是鲍比，她的曾祖父母珀西和莱西·邓巴的儿子。
When Jewel and Hollis got home and told Linda what happened, she got mad.
当朱厄尔和霍利斯回到家并告诉琳达发生了什么事时，她很生气。
I truly don't believe that, when she spoke and the way she spoke, I don't believe that she meant to say it to be as derogatory as we took it either, if you want to know the truth.
我真的不相信，当她说话时和她说话的方式，我不相信她的意思是像我们认为的那样带有贬义，如果你想知道真相的话。
She had spoken the truth of Julia Anderson had children out of wedlock.
她说出了朱莉娅·安德森未婚生子的真相。
So she was a loose woman, which, if you have to accept that, you have to accept it.
所以她是一个放荡的女人，如果你必须接受这一点，你就必须接受它。
But I wanted her to see it from my point of view, you know?
但我想让她从我的角度来看这件事，你知道吗？
I felt like she had looked at it from her point of view long enough, that it was my turn.
我觉得她已经从自己的角度看待这件事足够长的时间了，现在轮到我了。
And I don't remember if it was a written letter or email, but I told her, the very woman that you maligned at that meeting today could very well turn out to be your great grandmother.
我不记得这是一封书面信还是电子邮件，但我告诉她，你今天在会议上诽谤的那个女人很可能就是你的曾祖母。
She said to me-- Tal Mcthenia Again, Margaret.
她对我说——玛格丽特，又是塔尔·麦克西尼亚。
--you need to look a lot more closely.
——你需要看得更仔细。
You keep wanting to know all about Julia.
你一直想了解有关朱莉娅的一切。
You need to look more into Lessie and Percy and judge their characters.
你需要更多地了解莱西和珀西并判断他们的性格。
And that did not make me happy.
但这并没有让我高兴。
It sort of angered me to have her say that.
她这么说让我有点生气。
But in retrospect, she was absolutely right.
但现在回想起来，她是完全正确的。
I did need to put down what I believed and be able to look at it with fresh eyes.
我确实需要放下我所相信的东西，并能够用新的眼光来看待它。
Coming up, what Margaret discovers.
接下来，玛格丽特发现了什么。
Plus, the kidnapper speaks.
另外，绑匪会说话。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Our story unraveling the century-old mystery of what happened to Bobby Dunbar continues.
我们的故事将继续揭开鲍比·邓巴身上发生的百年之谜。
Again, here's Tal McThenia.
塔尔·麦克塞尼亚再次报道。
By 2003, Margaret had been researching for four years.
到 2003 年，玛格丽特已经研究了四年。
She'd taken all the articles from the scrapbook and all the articles from all the libraries and typed them, over 1,200 total.
她把剪贴簿里的所有文章和所有图书馆里的所有文章都拿出来打印出来，总共有一千二百多篇。
Margaret had maps, and photo albums, and tape recordings, and books on her shelf like, Social History of the American Alligator.
玛格丽特的书架上有地图、相册、录音带和书籍，比如《美洲短吻鳄的社会史》。
That year, she started looking for descendants of William Walters, the wandering handyman, the man who'd kidnapped her grandfather.
那一年，她开始寻找威廉·沃尔特斯的后裔，威廉·沃尔特斯是一个流浪的勤杂工，也是绑架她祖父的人。
In 1914, Walters was convicted of kidnapping Bobby Dunbar.
1914 年，沃尔特斯因绑架鲍比·邓巴而被定罪。
His lawyers appealed, and the state supreme court ordered a retrial.
他的律师提出上诉，州最高法院下令重审。
But incredibly, because the first trial cost the town so much money, prosecutors decided to drop the case instead.
但令人难以置信的是，由于第一次审判花费了该镇太多的钱，检察官决定放弃此案。
Walters was released.
沃尔特斯被释放。
In 2003, Margaret opened up something called the Walters Family Genealogy Book.
2003年，玛格丽特打开了一本名为《沃尔特斯家族谱系书》的书。
She pored over the names in the book and started making phone calls.
她仔细研究了书上的名字，然后开始打电话。
I'm Jean Cooper, and I'm the great niece of William Cantwell Walters.
我是让·库珀，威廉·坎特韦尔·沃尔特斯的曾侄女。
We always called him Uncle Cant.
我们总是叫他坎特叔叔。
I never knew he had a William Cantwell until all this came up.
直到这一切发生之前，我从来不知道他有一个威廉·坎特威尔。
He was always Uncle Cant.
他永远是坎特叔叔。
We met with Jean and her sister Barbara in Savannah, Georgia.
我们在佐治亚州萨凡纳会见了吉恩和她的妹妹芭芭拉。
Just like Hollis and Jewel and Margaret, they'd grown up hearing the Bobby Dunbar story, too, only their version was a little racier.
就像霍利斯、朱厄尔和玛格丽特一样，他们也是听着鲍比·邓巴的故事长大的，只是他们的版本更生动一些。
Well, the story we heard was that this Miss Julia Anderson was a fine young lady.
嗯，我们听到的故事是，这位朱莉娅·安德森小姐是一位优秀的年轻女士。
But you know, mostly, fine young ladies get entrapped.
但你知道，大多数情况下，优秀的年轻女士都会陷入困境。
And I'll tell you what, there's many a handsome, young, sweet-talking man come around and entrapped them.
我告诉你吧，有很多英俊、年轻、甜言蜜语的男人围攻他们。
So that's what happened to Miss Julia, as the story went.
故事的发展就是这样发生在朱莉娅小姐身上的。
Now, I know it was rumored that Uncle Cant was the father and that one of his brothers was the father.
现在，我知道有传言说坎特叔叔是孩子的父亲，而他的一个兄弟就是孩子的父亲。
It could have been Uncle Bunt.
可能是邦特叔叔。
He was a rounder.
他是一个圆手。
He was a real rounder.
他是一个真正的圆手。
But they all denied it.
但他们都否认了。
They said it was another feller.
他们说这是另一个家伙。
Jean and Barbara grew up on a farm in Georgia with their ailing grandfather, Rad, William Walter's brother.
吉恩和芭芭拉与生病的祖父威廉·沃尔特的兄弟拉德一起在佐治亚州的一个农场长大。
After getting released from jail, William Walters had gone back to his life as a tinker, a traveling handyman, tuning pianos in people's parlors and fixing organs in country churches.
出狱后，威廉·沃尔特斯又回到了修补匠、旅行杂工的生活，在人们的客厅里调钢琴，在乡村教堂修理管风琴。
And at least once or twice a year, his travels would bring him around to his brother's house for a visit.
每年至少有一两次，他会去他哥哥家拜访。
Seeing Uncle Cant come with his wagon a-trinkling and a-bouncing, the pots and pans a-bouncing against each other, you couldn't help but know it was Uncle Cant.
看到坎特叔叔推着马车来了，叮当响，蹦蹦跳跳，锅碗瓢盆相互碰撞，你不禁知道那是坎特叔叔。
But Grandpa would lighten up.
但爷爷会轻松起来。
Oh, he would just brighten up.
哦，他只会变得明亮。
There's Cant.
有坎特。
There's Cant.
有坎特。
Young'uns, put some more wood on the fire.
小伙子们，再往火上添点木头吧。
Go see what's in the kitchen.
去看看厨房里有什么。
Fix him some supper.
给他准备点晚饭。
He'd always come about dark.
他总是在黑暗中出现。
Every time I remember him coming, it was about dark, wasn't it, Barbie?
每次我记得他来的时候，都是天黑了，不是吗，芭比？
Yeah, night.
是的，晚上。
Jean Cooper And it didn't matter if we'd already had supper and the fire had gone out in the stove.
吉恩·库珀：即使我们已经吃过晚饭，炉子里的火也已经灭了，那也没关系。
We had to light up the fire and fix Uncle Cant some supper so he could sit with Grandpa till midnight.
我们得生火，给坎特叔叔准备一些晚饭，这样他就可以和爷爷坐在一起直到午夜。
But each and every time he'd come-- and he would come several times a year and stay a month at the time, or three, two to four weeks-- they sat and talked over the case of the kidnapping and how innocent he was.
但每次他来——他一年会来几次，每次待一个月，或者三、两到四个星期——他们都会坐下来谈论绑架案以及他是多么无辜。
It was like it had just happened.
就好像这件事刚刚发生一样。
During one visit, Jean and Barbara's grandfather asked William Walters what he was doing traveling around the country with somebody else's boy in the first place.
在一次拜访中，吉恩和芭芭拉的祖父问威廉·沃尔特斯，他一开始和别人的儿子一起环游全国是做什么的。
Walters explained that Julia was in dire straits, and she couldn't take care of Bruce.
沃尔特斯解释说朱莉娅陷入了困境，她无法照顾布鲁斯。
And he was planning on bringing the boy back once she got on her feet.
他计划等她站起来后就把男孩带回来。
And also, there was the business element.
此外，还有商业元素。
Uncle Cant told Grandpa that, with that little boy with him, people were a lot nicer when he stopped to spend the night.
坎特叔叔告诉爷爷，有那个小男孩和他在一起，当他停下来过夜时，人们变得友善多了。
Because he would stop along the road at farm houses and around in his travels and ask for a night's lodging and hay for the horses.
因为他在旅途中会在路边的农舍和周围停下来，要求过夜并为马匹提供干草。
And then he would do things for them-- tune their pianos, organs, or whatever.
然后他会为他们做事——给他们的钢琴、风琴调音，或者其他什么。
And he said, with that little boy, the mothers just couldn't wait to get their hands on the little boy and feed him, and cuddle him, and bathe him.
他说，有了那个小男孩，母亲们就迫不及待地想要把手放在小男孩身上，喂他，拥抱他，给他洗澡。
In fact, a woman told me one time she had a neighbor-- if I'm getting off the beaten path, but it'll kind of explain it-- that was ugly as homemade sin.
事实上，有一次，一位女士告诉我，她有一个邻居——如果我不走寻常路，但它会解释这一点——那是丑陋的自制罪恶。
And she was all the time wanting to take her little grandchild with her everywhere, shopping, and to the grocery store, and walking.
她一直想带着她的小孙子去任何地方，购物，去杂货店，散步。
And I said, well, why does she want to carry him along with her all the time?
我说，好吧，为什么她要一直带着他？
She says, well, she is so ugly it makes her look better to have a little child along with her.
她说，好吧，她太丑了，带个小孩子让她看起来更好。
[LAUGHTER] So that could have been Uncle Cant having that little child, especially the ladies in the house were a lot nicer.
[笑声]所以那可能是坎特叔叔有那个小孩，尤其是家里的女士们都好得多。
This is the defense file.
这是辩护文件。
These are photocopies.
这些是复印件。
Margaret had also tracked down the granddaughter of William Walters' lawyer, who had saved in a closet the complete defense file from the kidnapping case.
玛格丽特还找到了威廉·沃尔特斯律师的孙女，她在壁橱里保存了绑架案的完整辩护档案。
When Margaret heard that, she dropped everything, bought a portable scanner, and showed up at the woman's doorstep.
玛格丽特一听，放下一切，买了一台便携式扫描仪，出现在了那位女士的家门口。
She spent a week scanning the entire thing and then four months back at home typing and deciphering it.
她花了一周的时间扫描整个内容，然后四个月回到家打字和破译它。
The defense file was a gold mine.
辩护档案是一座金矿。
It had correspondence from the governors of Mississippi and Louisiana, handwritten letters from Julia Anderson, and dozens of sworn affidavits from Mississippi residents saying that the child was Bruce Anderson and that they'd seen him in the area with Walters months before Bobby Dunbar went missing.
其中有密西西比州和路易斯安那州州长的信件、朱莉娅·安德森的手写信件，以及密西西比州居民的数十份宣誓证词，这些证词称这个孩子是布鲁斯·安德森，并且在鲍比·邓巴失踪前几个月，他们在该地区看到了他和沃尔特斯。
And then there was this letter, written by William Walters himself just days after he was arrested and thrown in jail, addressed directly to Percy Dunbar, who had just taken the boy home with him.
然后是这封信，是威廉·沃尔特斯本人在被捕并入狱几天后写的，直接写给珀西·邓巴，他刚刚把男孩带回家。
"I see that you got Bruce, but you have heaped up trouble for yourselves.
“我看到你抓住了布鲁斯，但你却给自己惹了麻烦。
I had no chance to prove up, but I know by now you have decided you are wrong.
我没有机会证明自己，但我知道现在你已经认定你错了。
It is very likely I will lose my life on account of that.
我很可能会因此丧命。
And if I do, the great God will hold you accountable.
如果我这样做了，伟大的上帝会追究你的责任。
That boy's mother is Julia Anderson.
那个男孩的母亲是朱莉娅·安德森。
You ask him, and he will tell you.
你问他，他会告诉你。
I did not teach him to beg or bum.
我没有教他乞讨或流浪。
But in as much as you have him, take good care of him.
但只要你拥有他，就好好照顾他。
So you have a lost Robert and me a lost Bruce.
所以你有一个迷失的罗伯特，而我有一个迷失的布鲁斯。
May God bless my darling boy.
愿上帝保佑我亲爱的孩子。
Write me, if I don't get lynched.
如果我没有被处以私刑，请给我写信。
I think you will be sad a long time, but hope not too bad."
我想你会难过很长一段时间，但希望不会太糟糕。”
The defense file was 400 pages of evidence that directly challenged Margaret's family legend.
辩护文件有 400 页的证据，直接挑战了玛格丽特的家族传奇。
And pretty soon, Margaret reached a breaking point.
很快，玛格丽特就达到了崩溃的边缘。
Toward the very end of me typing the defense file, which was not in chronological order, I came across a letter that totally-- it was my epiphany.
在我输入不按时间顺序排列的辩护文件的最后，我看到了一封信，这完全是我的顿悟。
It was a letter written by a Christian woman.
这是一封由一位基督徒妇女写的信。
I don't even know her name.
我什至不知道她的名字。
She just signed it "A Christian Woman." And it was written to the attorneys of William Walters.
她刚刚在上面署名“一位基督徒妇女”。它是写给威廉·沃尔特斯的律师的。
And it says, "Kindly pardon me.
上面写着：“请原谅我。
I am ill in bed.
我病在床上。
But this matter has just worried me.
但这件事却让我很担心。
Dear sir, in view of human justice to Julia Anderson and mothers, I am prompted to write to you.
亲爱的先生，鉴于对朱莉娅·安德森和母亲们的人类正义，我被迫写信给您。
I sincerely believe the Dunbars have Bruce Anderson and not their boy.
我真诚地相信邓巴一家拥有布鲁斯·安德森，而不是他们的孩子。
If this is their child, why are they afraid for anyone to see or interview him privately?
如果这是他们的孩子，为什么他们害怕任何人私下见到或采访他？
I would see nothing to fear, and this seems strange.
我觉得没什么好害怕的，这看起来很奇怪。
The Dunbars claim that--"
邓巴夫妇声称——”
The letter goes on for six pages, laying out a point-by-point, common sense argument that the Dunbars have the wrong child.
这封信长达六页，逐点阐述了常识性的论点，即邓巴夫妇生错了孩子。
Why haven't pictures of Bobby and Bruce been printed side by side so the world could see whether they look alike or not?
为什么没有并排印出鲍比和布鲁斯的照片，以便全世界都能看到他们是否相似？
Why is Julia judged more harshly for wavering than Lessie, when neither of them recognized the child at first?
为什么朱莉娅因为犹豫不决而受到比莱西更严厉的评价，因为他们一开始都没有认出这个孩子？
Which gets A Christian Woman to her biggest point-- a look back at that fateful night in Mississippi when the Dunbars first saw the boy and didn't recognize him, until Lessie gave him a bath and saw his moles and scars.
这让《一个基督教女人》达到了她最重要的观点——回顾了密西西比州那个致命的夜晚，当时邓巴一家第一次看到这个男孩，但没有认出他，直到莱西给他洗澡，看到了他的痣和伤疤。
"If this had been their own child and he had been gone eight months, do you think his features would be so changed that they would not know him only by moles and scars?
“如果这是他们自己的孩子，而且他已经去世八个月了，你认为他的容貌会发生如此大的变化，以至于他们不会仅仅通过痣和伤疤来认识他吗？
This is a farce.
这是一场闹剧。
If the Dunbars do not know their child who has only been gone eight months by his features, why, they don't know him at all."
如果邓巴一家不认识他们的孩子，因为他们的孩子才出生八个月，那么他们根本不认识他。”
Reason, by reason, by reason, this woman is giving me every-- she apparently followed this very closely in the newspapers.
理由，理由，理由，这个女人给了我一切——她显然在报纸上密切关注着这一点。
And it just simply dawned on me, oh, my god, she's right.
我突然意识到，哦，天哪，她是对的。
What a farce.
真是一场闹剧。
What a farce this is.
这是一场怎样的闹剧啊。
The idea for a DNA test had been floating around for years, but Margaret hadn't wanted to do it unless all her uncles and aunts, Bobby Dunbar's children, agreed to it.
DNA测试的想法已经流传多年，但玛格丽特不想这样做，除非她所有的叔叔阿姨，鲍比·邓巴的孩子们都同意。
And then, four years into her research, a reporter from the Associated Press, Allen Breed, got wind of the story.
然后，在她进行研究四年后，美联社记者艾伦·布里德（Allen Breed）听说了这个故事。
Margaret remembers being in the room when Allen asked her father if he would consent to a DNA test.
玛格丽特记得艾伦在房间里问她父亲是否同意进行 DNA 测试。
She was startled at his answer.
她对他的回答感到惊讶。
Yes, he said.
是的，他说。
He wanted to do it now.
他现在就想这么做。
He'd waited long enough.
他已经等得够久了。
Margaret's father, Bob Dunbar, Jr., was Bobby Dunbar's oldest son.
玛格丽特的父亲小鲍勃·邓巴是鲍比·邓巴的长子。
He'd heard the legend, of course, but he'd never heard it from his father.
他当然听过这个传说，但他从未从他父亲那里听说过。
It was not something that we discussed at home.
这不是我们在家里讨论的事情。
It was just the stuff was in the attic-- newspaper articles, some pictures.
这只是阁楼里的东西——报纸文章，一些图片。
It was stuff that my mother gathered.
这是我妈妈收集的东西。
At home, we never discussed it.
在家里，我们从来没有讨论过这个问题。
But Bob had been watching Margaret's research with interest.
但鲍勃一直饶有兴趣地关注着玛格丽特的研究。
Remember, he'd given her the scrapbook that got this whole thing started.
请记住，他给了她一本剪贴簿，这就是整个事情的开始。
Bob had just spent weeks in the hospital with congestive heart failure and explained his decision this way, in a letter to his family.
鲍勃刚刚因充血性心力衰竭在医院住了几周，他在给家人的一封信中这样解释了他的决定。
"Daddy did not have the science of DNA to confirm the decision of the court in his youth.
“爸爸年轻时没有DNA科学来证实法庭的判决。
I feel it is my responsibility to achieve that before I go."
我觉得我有责任在离开之前实现这一目标。”
The easiest way to do the test would be to compare the DNA of two different lines of Dunbars, someone from Bobby's line, since his identity was in doubt, and someone from his brother Alonzo's line, since there was no question he was a Dunbar.
进行测试的最简单方法是比较两个不同血统的邓巴人的 DNA，一个来自鲍比血统，因为他的身份存疑，另一个人来自他的兄弟阿朗佐血统，因为毫无疑问他是一个邓巴人。
Bob and Margaret spoke with Alonzo's son, David, and he agreed to do the test.
鲍勃和玛格丽特与阿朗佐的儿子大卫进行了交谈，他同意进行测试。
The plan was to keep the results sealed until all Bob's siblings agreed to open them.
计划是密封结果，直到鲍勃的所有兄弟姐妹都同意打开它们。
A month passed.
一个月过去了。
I called to check with the laboratory, and the laboratory assistant ended up blurting to me the results over the phone.
我打电话向实验室核实，实验室助理最终在电话里向我讲述了结果。
The DNA did not match.
DNA 不匹配。
You know, as far as she was concerned, it was a paternity test.
要知道，对她来说，这是一次亲子鉴定。
She had no idea the impact of what she was saying to me.
她不知道她对我说的话有什么影响。
It was a shock to me, not really the conclusion, but to hear it.
这让我震惊，不是真正的结论，而是听到它。
Margaret got off the phone and drove 10 hours that day to tell her father in person.
那天，玛格丽特挂断电话，开了10个小时的车，亲自告诉了她的父亲。
He was still in the hospital.
他还在医院里。
It took my breath away.
这让我屏住了呼吸。
You know, I hadn't considered that.
你知道，我没有考虑过这一点。
My thought was to prove that Daddy was Bobby Dunbar.
我的想法是证明爸爸就是鲍比·邓巴。
So it took me-- well, I had a lot of time.
所以我花了很多时间。
I was in the hospital a while.
我在医院住了一段时间。
And I just pondered, you know?
我只是想了一下，你知道吗？
All right, if my past is wrong-- Bobby Dunbar, all the legends, all the stories-- and then all of the sudden you find out, well, that's not who your blood says you are.
好吧，如果我的过去是错误的——鲍比·邓巴，所有的传奇，所有的故事——然后你突然发现，好吧，那不是你的血液所说的你。
Where does that leave me?
那我该怎么办？
If my grandpa isn't my grandpa, who am I?
如果我的爷爷不是我的爷爷，那我是谁？
Bob's siblings had no idea he'd taken the test.
鲍勃的兄弟姐妹不知道他参加了考试。
And that an AP reporter was preparing to write an article for the National Wire.
美联社记者正准备为国家通讯社写一篇文章。
Bob had to tell them.
鲍勃必须告诉他们。
And when he did, they were all stunned and really mad-- mad at Bob, but especially mad at Margaret, who they blamed for orchestrating the whole thing and making it national news.
当他这样做时，他们都惊呆了，真的很生气——生鲍勃的气，但尤其生玛格丽特的气，他们指责玛格丽特精心策划了整个事件并使其成为全国新闻。
Margaret's younger brother, Swin, explained what it was like.
玛格丽特的弟弟斯温（Swin）解释了当时的情况。
You know, she was really going up against the entire family, including myself.
你知道，她真的是在与整个家庭作对，包括我自己。
In fact, I'm not sure of any family member that was for it, except for her and possibly my dad.
事实上，除了她，可能还有我的父亲，我不确定是否有任何家庭成员支持这一点。
And in retrospect, you know, she was doing what she felt was right.
回想起来，你知道，她正在做她认为正确的事情。
But I felt like she was alienating everybody else in doing so.
但我觉得她这样做疏远了其他人。
The other thing about all that is some of us in the family, and probably even me at one time, probably felt like she was being a little bit selfish, you know?
另一件事是我们家里的一些人，可能甚至我一度，可能觉得她有点自私，你知道吗？
Why do this?
为什么要这样做？
Why do you need to do this?
为什么需要这样做？
Nobody in the family wants to know.
家里没人想知道。
After the story ran in 2004, a thick silence descended between Margaret and her relatives.
2004年这个故事发表后，玛格丽特和她的亲戚之间陷入了深深的沉默。
And that schism has persisted to this day.
这种分裂一直持续到今天。
When she told them I'd called her about doing this radio story, the relatives were furious.
当她告诉他们我打电话给她做这个广播故事时，亲戚们非常愤怒。
They told Margaret that, yet again, she'd proven that she couldn't be trusted.
他们告诉玛格丽特，她再次证明自己不值得信任。
They said she was disrespecting their heritage and destroying family relationships.
他们说她不尊重他们的传统并破坏家庭关系。
They told her that they were Dunbars, and that's all they wanted to be.
他们告诉她，他们是邓巴一家，这就是他们想要的。
But the other two families involved took it a little better.
但另外两个涉案家庭的态度稍好一些。
For Jean and Barbara Cooper, the great-nieces of William Walters, it meant their ancestor wasn't a kidnapper, which was nice to hear.
对于威廉·沃尔特斯的侄孙女让·库珀和芭芭拉·库珀来说，这意味着他们的祖先不是绑匪，这令人高兴。
You don't like to think of your people being guilty of something like that.
你不喜欢认为你的人民犯下这样的事情。
And I don't think we had many people, did we, that was falsely accused.
我不认为我们有很多人被错误地指控，是吗？
The ones that were accused were usually guilty.
被指控的人通常是有罪的。
And for the Andersons, it was literally the answer to a lifetime of prayers.
对于安德森一家来说，这确实是他们一生祈祷的答案。
Margaret's father, Bob, and his wife, Imelda, went down to Mississippi to deliver the news in person to Linda, Jewel, and Hollis.
玛格丽特的父亲鲍勃和他的妻子伊梅尔达前往密西西比州，亲自向琳达、朱厄尔和霍利斯传达了这个消息。
We didn't know what was up.
我们不知道发生了什么事。
They said, be there.
他们说，在那儿。
We have some--
我们有一些——
No, they didn't tell us.
不，他们没有告诉我们。
Hollis Rawls They wouldn't tell us what, till got to the meeting.
霍利斯·罗尔斯：他们不会告诉我们什么，直到到达会议现场。
And he told us that the DNA had been run, and that he was not a Dunbar, you know?
他告诉我们 DNA 已经过检测，而且他不是邓巴人，你知道吗？
And that's where the eyes-- you know, we all just-- I got up from where we were sitting on the couch, and I went around, and I think I hugged his neck, just knowing that, man, we were family.
那就是眼睛的地方——你知道，我们都只是——我从我们坐在沙发上的地方站起来，我绕了一圈，我想我抱住了他的脖子，只知道，伙计，我们是一家人。
We were just family.
我们只是一家人。
When Bobby Jr. and Miss Imelda came and they told us about the DNA testing, that's the day Bobby came home.
当小鲍比和伊梅尔达小姐来告诉我们 DNA 检测的事情时，鲍比就在那天回家了。
And he came in the form of his son.
他以儿子的形式出现。
And we were proud for Julia.
我们为朱莉娅感到骄傲。
The one thing she wanted most in her life was her child back, and she got him.
她这辈子最想要的一件事就是把孩子找回来，而她得到了他。
I told him that day.
那天我告诉了他。
I said, now, we're not expecting nothing from them, but friendship.
我说，现在我们对他们的期望不是别的，而是友谊。
That's all that we ever wanted.
这就是我们想要的一切。
We have no hard feelings against nobody of what has happened.
我们对所发生的事情没有任何怨恨。
Because back in those days, I am sure they thought they were doing the right thing.
因为在那些日子里，我确信他们认为自己做了正确的事情。
And if I'd have been back in those days, I might have felt the same way in a way about some things like that.
如果我回到那些日子，我可能会对类似的事情有同样的感觉。
I don't know.
我不知道。
But now, we're just happy about the situation, but not happy they're unhappy, if you know what I'm talking about.
但现在，我们只是对这种情况感到高兴，但不高兴他们不高兴，如果你知道我在说什么的话。
We're just happy because we know the truth now.
我们很高兴，因为我们现在知道了真相。
Let's see.
让我们来看看。
We're coming up-- we're getting closer to where my grandmother lived and my grandfather.
我们快到了——我们离我祖母和祖父住的地方越来越近了。
Oh my gosh, it was this house right here.
天哪，就是这所房子。
Margaret's taking me on a driving tour of Opelousas.
玛格丽特要带我驾车游览奥佩卢萨斯。
She grew up spending summer vacations here at her grandmother's with her whole family.
她从小就和全家人一起在祖母家度过暑假。
It's a mix of personal history and history she's read about in her research.
这是个人历史和她在研究中读到的历史的混合体。
We go by the public pool where she used to spend afternoons swimming and hanging out and also the old jail site where William Walters played a homemade harp to the crowds outside his cell window.
我们经过公共游泳池，她常常在那里游泳和闲逛，还经过旧监狱，威廉·沃尔特斯曾在那里向牢房窗外的人群演奏自制的竖琴。
We want to turn left.
我们想左转。
Tal Mcthenia We drive into a subdivision that her great uncle Alonzo developed-- sprawling ranches, big lawns, strange street names.
塔尔·麦克塞尼娅 我们开车进入她的叔祖父阿朗佐开发的一个小区——广阔的牧场、大草坪、奇怪的街道名称。
Yeah.
是的。
And he named some of these streets, like this one was named after himself.
他给其中一些街道命名，就像这条街道以他自己的名字命名一样。
And he named one called Anna Lee, after his wife.
他以妻子的名字命名了一位名叫安娜·李（Anna Lee）的人。
And there's one called Dunbar Street, which here we are at Dunbar Street.
还有一条叫做邓巴街，我们现在就在邓巴街。
There are still Dunbars in Opelousas, relatives that Margaret knows and loves, but she doesn't feel comfortable bringing me in for a visit.
奥佩卢萨斯还有邓巴一家，玛格丽特认识并喜爱这些亲戚，但带我去看她却觉得不舒服。
We're tiptoeing around.
我们踮着脚尖四处走动。
Margaret's cigarette breaks are happening more and more frequently.
玛格丽特吸烟的次数越来越频繁。
The contrast between the tension in Opelousas and the welcome she'd received two days ago from the Andersons in Poplarville is hard to miss.
奥佩卢萨斯的紧张气氛和两天前波普拉维尔安德森一家对她的欢迎形成了鲜明的对比。
Julia Anderson's children have done nothing but welcome and embrace me into their lives.
朱莉娅·安德森的孩子们除了欢迎和拥抱我进入他们的生活之外什么也没做。
And they think that I'm brave and smart.
他们认为我勇敢又聪明。
And William Walters' family thinks that I'm a whiz.
威廉·沃尔特斯的家人认为我是个奇才。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
I think, for my family, when I started this project, I thought that this would sort of keep us bonded, and it didn't.
我想，对于我的家人来说，当我开始这个项目时，我认为这会让我们保持联系，但事实并非如此。
It divided.
它分裂了。
So in a way, I feel like a failure.
所以在某种程度上，我感觉自己是一个失败者。
There are people upset by it.
有人对此感到不安。
And there are some people who still don't accept the truth.
还有一些人仍然不接受事实。
It's like they don't believe me.
就好像他们不相信我一样。
They don't believe me.
他们不相信我。
The disappearance of Bobby Dunbar blew apart the lives of three different families.
鲍比·邓巴的失踪打破了三个不同家庭的生活。
But the people you'd think would be hurt the worst by it actually come out the best, like Julia Anderson.
但那些你认为会受到最严重伤害的人实际上却是最好的，比如朱莉娅·安德森。
Before Bobby's disappearance, she was a field hand in North Carolina, on her own, not making enough money to feed her own child.
鲍比失踪之前，她是北卡罗来纳州的一名田野工作人员，独自一人赚不到足够的钱养活自己的孩子。
The people she worked for mistreated her.
她为之工作的人虐待她。
The man she married shot her in the foot the night after her wedding.
她结婚的那个男人在她结婚后的第二天晚上就开枪射中了她的脚。
But William Walters' kidnapping trial got her out of there to a better place-- Poplarville, Mississippi.
但威廉·沃尔特斯的绑架审判让她离开了那里，去了一个更好的地方——密西西比州的波普拉维尔。
Back in 1912 and 1913, William Walters and Julia's son, Bruce, had been well-known fixtures in the Poplarville area.
早在 1912 年和 1913 年，威廉·沃尔特斯 (William Walters) 和朱莉娅 (Julia) 的儿子布鲁斯 (Bruce) 就已经是 Poplarville 地区的知名人物。
He and Bruce stayed in people's homes for weeks at a time while he tuned pianos and repaired the church organ.
他和布鲁斯有时会在人们家中待上几个星期，期间他为钢琴调音并修理教堂管风琴。
And when William Walters went to trial, these very people-- at least 20 of them-- came forward to testify to his innocence.
当威廉·沃尔特斯接受审判时，正是这些人——至少有 20 人——站出来证明他的清白。
And that's where they met Julia, the mother of the child they'd known and cared for, who was also there to testify for Walters.
在那里，他们遇到了朱莉娅，她是他们认识并照顾的孩子的母亲，她也在那里为沃尔特斯作证。
After the trial, Julia had no money and no place to go.
审判结束后，朱莉娅身无分文，也无处可去。
The people from Mississippi took her in.
来自密西西比州的人们收留了她。
It was almost like she was adopted just like Bruce was taken in to be Bobby.
这几乎就像她被收养一样，就像布鲁斯被收养为鲍比一样。
And both of them were given a new life.
两人也都获得了新的生命。
I mean, everything bad could be said about somebody was said about Julia.
我的意思是，所有关于某人的坏话都是关于朱莉娅的。
At this trial, you know, everything that could be said was said.
在这次审判中，你知道，所有能说的都说了。
But these people saw something in her, or they wouldn't have taken her in their home.
但这些人却是在她身上看到了一些东西，不然也不会把她带进自己的家。
Yeah, the people here in Poplarville out at Ford's Creek.
是的，波普拉维尔福特溪的人们。
They could have left her in Opelousas.
他们本可以把她留在奥佩卢萨斯。
They could've left her in New Orleans, but they brought her home with them.
他们本可以把她留在新奥尔良，但他们把她带回家了。
She lost everything.
她失去了一切。
She had a baby that died just before she came down here, you know?
她有一个孩子，在她来到这里之前就死了，你知道吗？
And now she's lost Bruce.
现在她失去了布鲁斯。
What did she have to live for?
她活着到底是为了什么？
Suicide was not unheard of, you know?
自杀并非闻所未闻，你知道吗？
I'm sure they didn't promise her-- they just said, come home with us.
我确信他们没有答应她——他们只是说，和我们一起回家。
Come home with us till you get on your feet.
和我们一起回家吧，直到你能站起来。
Come home with us till you can get up and do for yourself.
和我们一起回家吧，直到你能站起来自己做事为止。
So I can't regret it.
所以我不能后悔。
I cannot regret for one minute that she came down here.
我一分钟都不后悔她来这里。
I'm sad that she did not have that child.
我很遗憾她没有那个孩子。
And I don't believe that she would ever made-- given the opportunity of saying, OK, we'll give you a new life if you'll give us this child, she would have never given that child up.
我不相信她会——如果有机会说，好吧，如果你给我们这个孩子，我们会给你新的生活，她永远不会放弃那个孩子。
I don't believe that.
我不相信。
But if you hate that it happened, then you hate that you are, if that makes any sense.
但如果你讨厌它的发生，那么你也讨厌你现在的样子，如果这有道理的话。
And I don't hate that I am.
我并不讨厌自己就是这样。
I rejoice in that I am.
我很高兴我是这样的。
I rejoice in the family that we've got.
我为我们拥有的家庭感到高兴。
And I feel like Grandmother felt the same way.
我觉得祖母也有同样的感觉。
As for the consequences for Bobby, even Julia Anderson's children, Hollis and Jewel, figure he was probably better off with the Dunbars.
至于鲍比的后果，甚至朱莉娅·安德森的孩子霍利斯和朱厄尔也认为他和邓巴一家在一起可能会过得更好。
I don't want to put him down or my mother down, either, you know what I mean?
我也不想贬低他或我的母亲，你明白我的意思吗？
She did the best she could with what probably she had to do with.
对于可能与她有关的事情，她已经尽力了。
But here's some people that-- he got off the wagon to get in a car.
但有些人——他下车准备上车。
"Enclosed are the divorce papers I promised you.
“随函附上我答应给你的离婚文件。
I know that these are official copies because the notary seals are raised."
我知道这些是正式副本，因为公证印章是加盖的。”
The divorce papers of Percy and Lessie Dunbar are brief, but even the bare facts are enough to imagine what life in the Dunbar family was like for Bobby after the trial.
珀西和莱西·邓巴的离婚文件很简短，但即使是赤裸裸的事实也足以想象审判后鲍比在邓巴一家的生活是什么样的。
Lessie and Percy separated in 1920, meaning five years after the court affirmed that Bobby was hers, Lessie left him, her husband, and her other son, Alonzo, behind and moved to New Orleans.
莱西和珀西于 1920 年分居，这意味着在法庭确认鲍比属于她的五年后，莱西离开了他、她的丈夫和她的另一个儿子阿朗佐，搬到了新奥尔良。
Bobby was 12, and Alonzo was 10.
鲍比 12 岁，阿朗佐 10 岁。
Also in 1920, Percy beat and stabbed a man while on a trip to Florida on the eighth anniversary of the day of Bobby's disappearance.
同样是在 1920 年，珀西在鲍比失踪八周年纪念日前往佛罗里达州时殴打并刺伤了一名男子。
His court record for this assault is included in the divorce papers.
他这次袭击的法庭记录包含在离婚文件中。
Lessie makes accusations of repeated and ongoing infidelity, but Percy denies the charges.
莱西多次指控其不忠，但珀西否认了这些指控。
Elsewhere, there is another court record that corroborates Lessie's claim.
在其他地方，还有另一份法庭记录证实了莱西的说法。
It's an arrest record for Percy on charges of adultery and cohabitation.
这是珀西因通奸和同居罪而被捕的记录。
But perhaps the most compelling detail is a handwritten note that accompanies the packet.
但也许最引人注目的细节是包裹上附有的一张手写便条。
It's from Lessie herself to Elizabeth, her granddaughter who took care of her in her old age.
这是莱西本人对她晚年照顾她的孙女伊丽莎白说的。
This says, "For Elizabeth Dunbar to read after my death so she may know why I stayed in my shell of grief."
上面写着：“让伊丽莎白·邓巴在我死后阅读，这样她就可以知道为什么我一直待在悲伤的壳里。”
I think she had to have, on some level, known.
我认为她在某种程度上必须是已知的。
And maybe she didn't.
也许她没有。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I think maybe she was in a denial her entire life.
我想也许她一生都在否认。
From everything I've heard, she truly believed that this was her son, Bobby.
从我听到的一切来看，她确实相信这是她的儿子鲍比。
But I can't help but wonder that maybe, underneath, where you go and can't talk about, she must have known that this was not her son that she birthed.
但我不禁想知道，也许在内心深处，无论你走到哪里，都无法谈论，她一定知道这不是她生下的儿子。
And this is probably at the heart of the Dunbar family's unhappiness with this story, what it suggests about their ancestors and their ancestors' motives and characters.
这可能是邓巴家族对这个故事不满意的核心，因为这个故事暗示了他们的祖先以及他们祖先的动机和性格。
It's likely to me that Percy must have known somewhere inside of him that this little boy he took from Mississippi was not his son.
在我看来，珀西内心深处一定知道这个他从密西西比州带走的小男孩不是他的儿子。
And I don't say that lightly.
我不会轻易这么说。
It took me a long time to come to that conclusion.
我花了很长时间才得出这个结论。
After reading all of the articles and the court records, these divorce papers, I realized that if he was capable of doing these things, if Percy was capable-- if he could stab a man, if he could be with another woman while he was married-- you know, he lies in these papers.
在读完所有的文章和法庭记录，这些离婚文件后，我意识到，如果他有能力做这些事情，如果珀西有能力——如果他可以刺伤一个男人，如果他可以在结婚时与另一个女人在一起——你知道，他在这些文件中撒谎。
Could he lie about this child?
他能对这个孩子撒谎吗？
Did he lie about this child?
他对这个孩子撒谎了吗？
He had a motive to save his wife's sanity.
他有一个动机要挽救妻子的理智。
Could he do that?
他能做到吗？
I think he could.
我认为他可以。
I think he did.
我想他做到了。
It's hard to look square in the face of this.
面对这种情况，很难保持正视。
And doing so has put Margaret and her father, Bob, at odds with the rest of their family.
这样做让玛格丽特和她的父亲鲍勃与家人产生了分歧。
But Bob says, only by looking at it squarely can you see the redemption in their family story.
但鲍勃说，只有正视这一点，你才能在他们的家庭故事中看到救赎。
When Bobby Dunbar was 18, he fell in love with a girl from a nearby town.
鲍比·邓巴 18 岁时，爱上了附近城镇的一个女孩。
It took him nine years to get her to marry him, but once she did, they raised four children, who all remember a very happy upbringing, full of love.
他花了九年时间才让她嫁给他，但一旦她嫁给了他，他们就养育了四个孩子，他们都记得一个非常幸福的成长过程，充满了爱。
And Bobby Dunbar gave rise to this family despite all that he'd been through-- whisked away from his mother at three, living in a wagon with an old man, huddling by fires in the woods at night, a two-year-long gauntlet of undressing, and parading, and sobbing, and staring.
尽管鲍比·邓巴经历了这一切，但他还是组建了这个家庭——三岁时就离开了母亲，和一个老人住在一辆马车里，晚上在树林里的篝火旁挤作一团，经历了长达两年的脱衣、游行、抽泣和凝视的考验。
And when that was all over, his new family fractured and fell apart.
当这一切结束后，他的新家庭破裂了。
And once again, he was abandoned.
而他再一次被抛弃了。
To come out of that, to create a family after that, to Bob, is a story of triumph.
对于鲍勃来说，走出困境并组建家庭是一个胜利的故事。
I feel like my daddy could have had all the excuses in the world to be a drunk and a child abuser or anything, a rascal.
我觉得我的爸爸可以有世界上所有的借口成为一个酒鬼、虐待儿童者或任何流氓。
He had a terrible, traumatic young life, but he chose my mother, and he chose to be a family man.
他年轻时的生活很糟糕，饱受创伤，但他选择了我的母亲，他选择成为一个有家室的男人。
And that was his world.
那就是他的世界。
That was his life.
这就是他的生活。
And I truly believe that those experiences, for him and for a mother who lost her father before she even knew him, were forces that gravitated them towards one another and towards a common feeling that they would be family.
我坚信，对于他和一位在认识他之前就失去父亲的母亲来说，这些经历是使他们彼此靠近并产生一种共同感觉的力量，即他们将成为一家人。
I realize that I grew up in a charmed environment.
我意识到我是在一个充满魅力的环境中长大的。
Everybody can't say that.
大家都不能这么说。
And Daddy couldn't say that, But he made that environment for us.
爸爸不能这么说，但他为我们创造了这样的环境。
At Swayze Lake, there are now houses where fishing shacks used to be.
在斯威兹湖 (Swayze Lake)，曾经是钓鱼棚的地方如今已建起了房屋。
Margaret's standing on the concrete bridge that replaced the railroad trestle, looking out on the embankment where they found a four-year-old's footprints in 1912.
1912 年，玛格丽特站在取代铁路栈桥的混凝土桥上，眺望路堤，他们在那里发现了一个四岁孩子的脚印。
After considering what Bobby Dunbar's disappearance did to everyone in three families for 100 years, there's only one person who's not accounted for.
考虑到鲍比·邓巴的失踪一百年来对三个家庭的每个人造成的影响，只有一个人下落不明。
If Bobby was really Bruce, what happened to Bobby?
如果鲍比真的是布鲁斯，那么鲍比怎么了？
I think he fell off this bridge and was eaten by an alligator and died.
我认为他从这座桥上掉了下来，被鳄鱼吃掉了。
That's the most likely scenario.
这是最有可能的情况。
When you think about the boy that died here, does that feel like your grandfather?
当你想到死在这里的男孩时，你会觉得他像你的祖父吗？
It's like my grandfather became two people.
就好像我的祖父变成了两个人。
He was really Bruce Anderson.
他真的是布鲁斯·安德森。
That's who he was born.
他就是这样出生的。
That's where his blood came from, but he lived Bobby Dunbar's life.
那是他的血液的来源，但他过着鲍比·邓巴的生活。
In 1932, when Bobby Dunbar was 24, he was asked to look back on his kidnapping.
1932 年，24 岁的鲍比·邓巴 (Bobby Dunbar) 被要求回顾自己被绑架的经历。
The Lindbergh baby had been stolen, and some reporters came around for a word with the famous kidnapped child of yesteryear.
林德伯格的婴儿被偷了，一些记者过来采访这位去年著名的被绑架的孩子。
"A lot of people still believe I was eaten by an alligator," Bobby said in the interview.
“很多人仍然相信我被鳄鱼吃掉了，”鲍比在采访中说。
"I can assure you I was not." He went on to recount a memory of being with William Walters on the wagon on the road before the arrest, before he was recovered by the Dunbars.
“我可以向你保证我不是。”他接着讲述了被捕前和邓巴一家找到他之前，和威廉·沃尔特斯一起在路上的马车上的记忆。
In the memory, there was another boy with him who fell off the wagon and died and was buried.
记忆中，还有一个和他一起的男孩从马车上摔下来死了，被埋葬了。
There was a theory put forth by the prosecution at the trial that William Walters might have been traveling with two boys, Bobby Dunbar and Bruce Anderson.
检方在审判中提出了一种理论，即威廉·沃尔特斯可能与两个男孩鲍比·邓巴和布鲁斯·安德森一起旅行。
This would explain why two boys had been lost, but only one was found.
这可以解释为什么两个男孩失踪了，但只找到了一个。
It would answer the question, what happened to Bruce?
它会回答这个问题：布鲁斯出了什么事？
19 years later, in 1932, Bobby had taken that theory and made it into a memory, a memory which might have served another purpose altogether.
19 年后，也就是 1932 年，鲍比接受了这个理论，并将其变成了一段记忆，一段可能完全有其他用途的记忆。
If Bobby Dunbar is to fully become Bobby Dunbar, then Bruce Anderson needs to be dead.
如果鲍比·邓巴要完全成为鲍比·邓巴，那么布鲁斯·安德森就必须死。
Maybe it was by settling on this memory-- the other boy on the wagon-- that he created the legend he needed to begin his new life, his own legend of Bobby Dunbar.
也许正是通过这段记忆——马车上的另一个男孩——他创造了开始新生活所需的传奇，他自己的鲍比·邓巴传奇。
Tal McThenia.
塔尔·麦克塞尼娅.
In the years since we first broadcast this story back in 2008, Jewel Tarver and Hollis Rawls have both died.
自 2008 年我们首次播出这个故事以来，朱厄尔·塔弗 (Jewel Tarver) 和霍利斯·罗尔斯 (Hollis Rawls) 都已去世。
Our program was produced today by Alex Blumberg.
我们今天的节目由亚历克斯·布隆伯格制作。
Our senior producer for this episode was Julie Snyder.
我们本集的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Our technical director was Matt Tierney.
我们的技术总监是马特·蒂尔尼。
Production help from Alvin Melathe.
Alvin Melathe 提供制作帮助。
Thanks today to Allen G.
今天感谢艾伦 G.
Breed, Francis and Earl Briggs, Wayne Cutright, Anna Lee Dunbar, David Dunbar, Imelda Dunbar, Chef Joe Durio, Ellen Luciano, Estelle Perrault, Martha Quillen, Ronnie Rawls and the Poplarville Public Library, Betty Redden, Margie Standard, Michael Walters, Tammy Westmoreland, Gerald Westmoreland, Frankie Bertrand, and Maureen Little of the Opelousas-St. Landry Chamber of Commerce.
布里德、弗朗西斯和厄尔·布里格斯、韦恩·卡特莱特、安娜·李·邓巴、大卫·邓巴、伊梅尔达·邓巴、厨师乔·杜里奥、埃伦·卢西安诺、埃斯特尔·佩罗、玛莎·奎伦、罗尼·罗尔斯和波普拉维尔公共图书馆、贝蒂·雷登、玛吉·标准、迈克尔·沃尔特斯、塔米·威斯特摩兰、杰拉尔德·威斯特摩兰、弗兰基·伯特兰和奥佩卢萨斯-圣路易斯的莫琳·利特尔兰德里商会。
Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org, where you can stream our archive of over 750 episodes for absolutely free.
我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org，您可以在其中完全免费地观看我们的 750 多集档案。
Also, there's videos.
另外，还有视频。
We have lists of favorite shows.
我们有最喜欢的节目列表。
We have tons of other stuff there, too.
我们那里还有很多其他东西。
Again, ThisAmericanLife.org.
再次，ThisAmericanLife.org。
This American Life is distributed by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 发行。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia, who says we young people have it so easy.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生，他说我们年轻人过得很轻松。
He remembers what it was like back in the day to come the radio station every morning when he was a little boy.
他还记得小时候每天早上去广播电台的感觉。
Through these woods, across an old hickory log, across a creek.
穿过这些树林，穿过一根古老的山核桃木原木，穿过一条小溪。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
[MUSIC - "MYSTERY OF THE DUNBAR'S CHILD" BY RICHARD "RABBIT" BROWN]
[音乐 - 理查德“兔子”布朗的“邓巴之子之谜”]
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。