35: Fall Clearance Sale - This American Life
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Transcripts are generated using a combination of speech recognition software and human transcribers, and may contain errors.
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Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print.
请在印刷版引用前检查相应的音频。
Prologue Ira Glass Okay, so I'm standing here on Navy Pier in Chicago.
序言 Ira Glass 好的，我现在站在芝加哥的海军码头。
And could I just ask you to describe the outfit you're wearing?
我可以请你描述一下你穿的衣服吗？
Just a pair of slacks, a knit top to go with it.
只需一条休闲裤，搭配一件针织上衣即可。
And the color of the slacks?
还有裤子的颜色？
Hazel The slacks are white.
淡褐色 休闲裤是白色的。
White after Labor Day.
劳动节后白色。
There was a time this woman, Hazel, would not have dared wear white after Labor Day, she says.
这位名叫黑泽尔的女士说，曾经有一段时间，她在劳动节之后不敢穿白色衣服。
But that tradition of autumn is long dead, so long dead it's barely even worth commenting on.
但秋天的传统早已消逝，消逝得如此之久，以至于几乎不值得评论。
That's right.
这是正确的。
There's only one tradition anybody like Hazel still follows come September.
到了九月，像黑兹尔这样的人仍然遵循的只有一项传统。
Oh, yeah, I go to clearance sales, especially at the end of the summer when they've got all the winter clothes out.
哦，是的，我去清仓甩卖，尤其是在夏末，他们把所有的冬衣都卖完了。
And you're looking for all the goodies that's left over.
你正在寻找剩下的所有好东西。
Oh, you can't miss that.
哦，你不能错过这个。
I got a beautiful pink sport jacket at Carson's.
我在卡森店买了一件漂亮的粉色运动夹克。
Oh, I got a nice bargain on it.
哦，我买了一个很便宜的东西。
Well, from WBEZ in Chicago, it's This American Life .
嗯，是来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And today on our program, we clear out the inventory for fall and pass those savings on to you.
今天，在我们的计划中，我们清理了秋季的库存，并将这些节省的费用转嫁给您。
Over the last six months, we have commissioned on our program a number of stories, and found a number of stories, that we on the little radio staff love, but have not been able to figure out a way to fit into any of the actual shows we've put on the air for you.
在过去的六个月里，我们在我们的节目中委托制作了许多故事，并发现了许多故事，我们这些小广播工作人员喜欢，但一直无法找到一种方法来适应我们为您播放的任何实际节目。
That's the problem of working with a theme every week.
这就是每周处理一个主题的问题。
And so we just thought, we love these stories.
所以我们只是想，我们喜欢这些故事。
You will love them.
你会喜欢他们的。
Let's just put them together and get them on the air.
让我们把它们放在一起并播出吧。
In this hour, Act One.
在这个时刻，第一幕。
David Sedaris, In the Nude.
大卫·塞达里斯，《裸体》。
Act Two, Haiku at the Scrimmage Line.
第二幕，混战线上的俳句。
Stories from Scott Carrier, one of our favorite contributors.
斯科特·卡里尔 (Scott Carrier) 的故事，他是我们最喜欢的贡献者之一。
Act Three, Animal Lover.
第三幕，动物爱好者。
That's a piece of found writing.
这是一篇找到的文章。
Act Four, Grandma and Easy.
第四幕，奶奶和Easy。
I know, by the way, that some of you may have heard promos saying that our show today was going to be about a hot dog stand.
顺便说一句，我知道你们中的一些人可能听过宣传片说我们今天的节目将是关于热狗摊的。
And our program about the hot dog stand was not ready for you.
我们关于热狗摊的节目还没有为您准备好。
It was not up to our standards.
这不符合我们的标准。
And so we are bringing you the program that we had planned for next week, which is in good shape.
因此，我们为您带来了我们计划于下周进行的计划，该计划进展顺利。
It's tomorrow's stories today.
今天的故事是明天的。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act one, In the Nude.
第一幕，《裸体》。
So we're going to kick things off with this story from David Sedaris.
我们将从 David Sedaris 的故事开始。
David is a sometimes commentator on NPR's Morning Edition, a frequent contributor to This American Life, author of the book Barrel Fever.
大卫有时是 NPR 早间版的评论员，也是《This American Life》的经常撰稿人，也是《桶热》一书的作者。
And he's working on a new book of stories called Naked.
他正在写一本名为《裸体》的新故事书。
And for the title story in that collection, he decided to spend a week at a nudist colony.
对于该系列中的同名故事，他决定在裸体主义者聚居地度过一周。
David is not somebody who likes being naked.
大卫不是一个喜欢裸体的人。
As he's written, he doesn't even like walking around the house barefoot, much less nude.
正如他所写，他甚至不喜欢赤脚在房子里走来走去，更不用说裸体了。
He doesn't sleep in the nude.
他不会裸睡。
And so this was his personal challenge to himself.
所以这是他对自己的个人挑战。
During the summer, he read a portion of this story with his sister Amy at a club called KGB in New York City.
夏天，他和妹妹艾米在纽约市的克格勃俱乐部读了这个故事的一部分。
And as you're going to hear, these are just anecdotes from a larger story.
正如您将听到的，这些只是更大故事中的轶事。
It's not a complete story.
这不是一个完整的故事。
But it's really funny and interesting and fun to listen to.
但听起来确实很有趣、很有趣、很有趣。
So before we start, a quick warning.
所以在我们开始之前，先快速警告一下。
There's no sex in this story.
这个故事里没有性别。
In fact, it's possibly the least sexy imaginable story.
事实上，这可能是最不性感的故事了。
But there are references to specific body parts that might not be judged suitable for some children.
但其中提到的特定身体部位可能不适合某些儿童。
So use your judgment.
所以请运用你的判断力。
It is disconcerting to talk to someone on the phone and know that they are naked.
在电话中与某人交谈并知道他们赤身裸体是令人不安的。
Every now and then, I might call a friend who says, "You caught me on the way to the shower," but that's different.
有时，我可能会给朋友打电话说：“你在我去洗澡的路上发现了我”，但那是不同的。
The man at the nudist colony sounded as though he had been naked for years.
裸体主义者聚居地的那个男人听起来好像他已经赤身裸体很多年了。
Even his voice was tanned.
连声音都晒黑了。
"All right then.
“那好吧。
Have you ever visited us before?
您以前来过我们吗？
No?
没有？
Well, you're in for a treat.
好吧，你可得好好享受一下了。
I'd be happy to send you a brochure.
我很乐意寄给您一本小册子。
Let me just get your information here."
让我在这里获取你的信息。”
In this afternoon's mail, I received my brochure, along with a pamphlet that reads "Body acceptance is the idea.
在今天下午的邮件中，我收到了我的小册子，以及一本小册子，上面写着“身体接受就是这个想法。
Nude recreation is the way.
裸体娱乐才是出路。
Bring your towels and suntan lotion and relax with us.
带上您的毛巾和防晒霜，和我们一起放松。
You will experience a freedom of movement that cannot be felt with clothes, the freedom to be yourself."
你将体验到一种衣服无法感受到的行动自由，以及做你自己的自由。”
The brochure pictures a swimming pool, playground, sun deck, and the inevitable volleyball court, which leads me to wonder, what is it with these people and volleyball?
宣传册上描绘了游泳池、游乐场、阳光甲板和不可避免的排球场，这让我想知道，这些人和排球到底是怎么回事？
The two go hand in hand.
两者齐头并进。
When I think nudist, I don't think penis.
当我想到裸体主义者时，我不会想到阴茎。
I think net.
我认为网。
Last night, I was in a foul mood and provoked Hugh into a fight, goading him until he fled the room, shouting, "You're a big, fat, hairy pig." Big is something I can live with.
昨晚，我心情不好，惹了休打架，一直怂恿他逃出房间，还大喊：“你是一头又大又肥、毛茸茸的猪。”大是我可以忍受的。
Fat is open to interpretation.
脂肪是可以解释的。
But when coupled with hairy, it begins to form a mental picture which is brought into sharp focus when joined by the word "pig." A big, fat, hairy, pig.
但当它与毛茸茸的东西结合在一起时，它就开始在脑海中形成一幅画面，当与“猪”这个词结合在一起时，它就会成为清晰的焦点。一头又大又肥、毛茸茸的猪。
If I were nudist, Hugh's words wouldn't have hurt me, as I would've accepted myself for who I am.
如果我是裸体主义者，休的话就不会伤害我，因为我会接受我自己。
I phoned the colony to make a reservation and spoke to the same fellow who had mailed me the brochure.
我打电话给殖民地进行预订，并与向我邮寄小册子的同一个人进行了交谈。
This time, I could hear people in the background, splashing and yelling in merriment.
这一次，我能听到背景中的人们在欢呼雀跃，水花四溅，大喊大叫。
The sound of them made me giddy, and I unbuttoned my slacks.
他们的声音让我头晕，我解开了裤子的扣子。
The brochure had mentioned rental cabins, and I was wondering what it might cost to stay for a week.
宣传册上提到了出租小屋，我想知道住一周可能要花多少钱。
"You want a trailer for how long?" he asked.
“你想要多长时间的预告片？”他问道。
I re-fastened my pants.
我重新系好裤子。
A trailer?
拖车？
I had pictured tree-shaded bungalows, paneled in knotty pine.
我想象过绿树成荫的平房，镶着多节松木。
That, to me, is the essence of the word "colony." This place, instead, was a nudist trailer park.
对我来说，这就是“殖民地”这个词的本质。相反，这个地方是一个裸体主义者拖车公园。
[LAUGHTER] "We don't use the word 'colony' anymore, because it's too spooky.
[笑声]“我们不再使用‘殖民地’这个词了，因为它太诡异了。
No, what we have are trailers.
不，我们有的是预告片。
The smaller units run $30 a night.
较小的单位每晚收费 30 美元。
But if you want your own kitchen and bathroom, your only option is a double-wide, which will run you $10 more." He'd lost me way back.
但如果你想要自己的厨房和浴室，你唯一的选择是双宽的，这将花费你 10 美元。”他很久以前就失去了我。
How was the word "colony" spooky, but not the word "trailer"?
“殖民地”这个词怎么会让人毛骨悚然，而“拖车”这个词却不是？
[LAUGHTER] Or even "nudist," for that matter.
[笑声] 甚至是“裸体主义者”，就此而言。
"I can let you have the front bedroom of the double-wide.
“我可以让你拥有双宽的前卧室。
That's not booked yet." Front bedroom suggested the evidence of a back bedroom, which I was told would be rented out separately.
那个还没预定呢。”前卧室暗示了后卧室的证据，我被告知后卧室将单独出租。
"You might have one roommate, or maybe it'll be a couple.
“你可能有一个室友，也可能是一对。
Don't worry.
别担心。
You won't get lonely."
你不会感到孤独。”
A roommate at a nudist trailer park.
裸体主义者拖车公园的室友。
The combination of these elements presented a staggering tableau, made all the more incomprehensible when I heard the man shoulder the phone and raise his voice to shout, "Mom!
这些元素组合在一起，呈现出令人震惊的画面，当我听到男人扛起电话，扬声喊道：“妈妈！
Hey, mom!
嘿，妈妈！
Where's the weekly price list for the two-bedroom rental trailer?" This person was not only standing naked in broad daylight.
两居室拖车租赁的每周价目表在哪里？”这个人不仅光天化日之下赤身裸体地站着。
He was doing it with his mother.
他正在和他的母亲一起做这件事。
I made my reservations and planned to arrive in one week.
我已预订并计划一星期内抵达。
I called the park again today, and a woman answered.
今天我又给公园打电话，接听的是一位女士。
When asked if they provide sheets and pillows, she said--
当被问及是否提供床单和枕头时，她说——
"Yes, but no towels.
“是的，但是没有毛巾。
You'll have to bring your own towels, because we can't be doing that.
您必须自带毛巾，因为我们不能这样做。
Bedding yes, towels no."
床上用品有，毛巾没有。”
I asked if the trailer's kitchen was equipped.
我问拖车的厨房是否配备。
And she replied--
她回答说——
"Eh, kind of." David Sedaris Seeing as I would be there for a week, I was hoping she might elaborate.
“呃，有点像。”大卫·塞达里斯 (David Sedaris) 考虑到我要在那里待一周，我希望她能详细说明一下。
"Well, it kind of has some things and not some others."
“嗯，它有一些东西，但没有其他一些东西。”
"Does it kind of have a stove and refrigerator?"
“有炉子和冰箱吗？”
"Oh, sure.
“哦，当然。
There's a sink up there and probably some pans and so forth, but definitely no towels.
那里有一个水槽，可能还有一些平底锅之类的东西，但绝对没有毛巾。
You'll have to pack your own, because we can't be running back and forth like that.
你必须自己收拾行李，因为我们不能像那样来回跑。
We haven't got the time for that kind of thing."
我们没有时间做那种事。”
I told her I understood-- Amy Sedaris "A lot of folks think we keep a nice, fluffy stack of towels up by the pool for their own private use, but we don't do that.
我告诉她我理解——艾米·塞达里斯（Amy Sedaris）“很多人认为我们在泳池边放了一堆漂亮、蓬松的毛巾供他们自己私人使用，但我们并没有这样做。
Not here, we don't.
不在这里，我们不。
Not anymore."
不再是了。”
[LAUGHTER] "Towels are personal things, and you'll have to bring your own."
[笑声]“毛巾是个人物品，你必须自带。”
I truly had-- Amy Sedaris "So sometimes, a person might come in for a day and leave their towel behind by accident.
我真的——艾米·塞达里斯（Amy Sedaris）“所以有时，一个人可能会进来一天，不小心留下毛巾。
But we put that towel in the lost and found box, in case they come back looking for it.
但我们把那条毛巾放在失物招领箱里，以防他们回来寻找。
You can't use those towels, because they're not clean, and they don't belong to you.
你不能使用那些毛巾，因为它们不干净，而且不属于你。
That somebody might come back one day to claim that towel.
有一天可能会有人回来领取那条毛巾。
And it wouldn't do for them to walk in and find you using it without their permission.
如果他们走进去发现你在未经他们许可的情况下使用它，那是不行的。
It wouldn't be right.
这是不对的。
Now if it was lotion, I might say, 'Oh go ahead.
现在，如果是乳液，我可能会说，‘哦，继续吧。
I'll do your back.' But it's not lotion.
我会帮你的。但它不是乳液。
No, you'll have to bring your own."
不行，你得自己带。”
I underlined the word towels on my list of things to pack and placed question marks beside everything else.
我在要打包的物品清单上强调了“毛巾”一词，并在其他所有物品旁边画了问号。
I arrived early on this cold and wet afternoon, the cab driver dumping me off in front of the clubhouse before squealing away.
在这个又冷又湿的下午，我很早就到了，出租车司机把我扔在俱乐部会所前，然后尖叫着走开。
Something about the place seemed to make him nervous, and he couldn't wait to get back into town.
这个地方似乎有什么让他紧张，他迫不及待地想回到城里。
I collected my bag and entered a low, clapboard building where five fully dressed senior citizens sat hugging themselves against the cold and watching the local news on a color television bolted to a high shelf.
我拿起包，走进一栋低矮的隔板建筑，里面坐着五位穿着全套衣服的老人，他们拥抱着自己以抵御寒冷，并通过固定在高架子上的彩色电视观看当地新闻。
On the screen, a weatherman was pointing to a map studded with frowning clowns-- clouds.
屏幕上，一位天气预报员指着一张地图，上面布满了皱着眉头的小丑——云彩。
[LAUGHTER] On the screen, a weatherman was pointing to a map studded with frowning suns, his arms positioned as if he were drawing a heavy curtain.
[笑声] 屏幕上，一位天气预报员指着一张地图，地图上布满了皱着眉头的太阳，他的手臂就像在拉上厚重的窗帘。
The inhabitants of the room leaned forward in their chairs, biting the ridges of their clenched fists and groaning when confronted with the words "cold front." They booed the weatherman.
当听到“冷锋”这个词时，房间里的人在椅子上身体前倾，咬着紧握的拳头，发出呻吟声。他们向天气预报员发出嘘声。
They cursed him, and then they pounded upon the table tops, much like prisoners unhappy with their food.
他们咒骂他，然后敲打桌面，就像对食物不满意的囚犯一样。
The room was filled with the rhythmic thuds of protest as I sat down my suitcase and approached the front desk.
当我放下行李箱走向前台时，房间里充满了有节奏的抗议声。
"He did this," a man said, pointing his crooked finger in my direction.
“他做到了，”一个男人用弯曲的手指指着我的方向说道。
"Brought this nastiness with him down from the lakes."
“把他从湖里带来了这种肮脏的东西。”
--the woman behind the counter asked.
——柜台后面的女士问道。
The corners of her mouth hung so low, they grazed the line of her jaw.
她的嘴角低垂着，几乎擦到了下巴的线条。
She narrowed her eyes upon my suitcase, almost suspecting to find it blustering across the floor, packed as it was with storm clouds and unseasonable winds.
她眯起眼睛看着我的手提箱，几乎怀疑它在地板上咆哮，里面挤满了暴风云和不合时宜的风。
"I don't know anything about any lakes." There was a rising panic in my voice.
“我对任何湖泊一无所知。”我的声音里越来越惊慌。
"It was hot and sunny when I left this morning.
“今天早上我离开时天气炎热，阳光明媚。
Really, it was.
真的，确实如此。
It turned cold around Scranton, but I didn't even get off the bus.
斯克兰顿周围天气变冷，但我什至没有下车。
It's the truth.
这是事实。
You can ask the driver." It was ridiculous to stand before a group of strangers, denying my responsibility for the weather.
你可以问问司机。”站在一群陌生人面前否认我对天气的责任是荒谬的。
But at the moment, the charges seemed entirely plausible.
但目前，这些指控似乎完全合理。
"Well, it's supposed to clear up by tomorrow afternoon.
“嗯，预计明天下午就会放晴。
But if it doesn't, I'll know where to find you.
但如果没有，我会知道在哪里可以找到你。
Right there, that's your trailer there, with the orange trim."
就在那里，那是你的拖车，有橙色的装饰。”
"You mean, the one with the rust-colored band?"
“你是说，那个带有铁锈色带子的？”
"You call it rust.
“你称之为铁锈。
I say it's orange.
我说它是橙色的。
But you get the idea.
但你明白了。
It's the one with the picnic table in the front yard.
这是前院有野餐桌的那间。
Front bedroom, that's you.
前卧室，就是你。
I painted it myself, and the can said burnt orange.
我自己画的，罐子上写着焦橙色。
If it had said rust, I never would have bought it.
如果上面写着生锈，我绝对不会买它。
It only looks rusty under those clouds you brought.
它只是在你带来的那些云层下看起来生锈了。
Sunny day comes, and you'll see it's orange.
阳光明媚的日子到来，你会看到它是橙色的。
I'm sorry I can't just rush out there and repaint it to meet your needs, your standards.
很抱歉，我不能冲过去重新粉刷它以满足您的需求和标准。
But I've got other things to do."
但我还有其他事情要做。”
I asked where I might find a key to my trailer and heard a round of muffled laughter coming from the far corners of the room.
我问在哪里可以找到拖车的钥匙，听到房间的远处角落里传来一阵低沉的笑声。
"Shhhh.
“嘘。
We don't believe in locked doors.
我们不相信锁着的门。
Not here we don't, not anymore.
在这里我们不这样做，不再这样了。
Maybe where you come from, people barricade themselves behind closed doors.
也许在你来自的地方，人们把自己关在门后。
But here, we have no reason.
但在这里，我们没有理由。
We don't lock our doors, because we have nothing to hide."
我们不会锁门，因为我们没有什么可隐瞒的。”
I walked up the gravel lane to my trailer, which had been sprayed with so much insecticide it curled the hairs in my nose.
我沿着碎石路走向我的拖车，拖车上喷了太多的杀虫剂，让我的鼻子里的汗毛都卷起来了。
Raisin-sized flies lay gasping on the countertops, their upturned legs signing the words--
葡萄干大小的苍蝇趴在台面上喘着粗气，它们翘起的腿写着这样的话——
"Get out of here fast while you still have a chance.
“趁还有机会，赶紧离开这里。
Ugh."
呃。”
I set down my suitcase and fled, trotting past the clubhouse to the soggy volleyball court.
我放下行李箱逃跑了，小跑着经过俱乐部会所，来到了湿漉漉的排球场。
The same pool I had seen in the brochure was now covered by a tarp, as was the hot tub.
我在手册中看到的同一个游泳池现在被防水布覆盖了，热水浴缸也是如此。
Even the flag was at half mast.
就连国旗也降了半旗。
I woke this morning to a fog so thick I couldn't see the picnic table in my front yard.
今天早上我醒来时，雾太浓了，我看不到前院的野餐桌。
From the sky to the ground, everything was the exact same shade of gray.
从天空到地面，一切都是一模一样的灰色。
It was cold, too, maybe in the low 50s.
天气也很冷，大概只有华氏 50 度左右。
Late last night, my water shut off.
昨晚深夜，我的水停了。
And it didn't kick in again until 8 o'clock this morning.
直到今天早上八点才再次出现。
I got dressed and went to the clubhouse, where I spoke to the woman at the front desk, who wore a turtleneck sweatshirt and drank cocoa from a mug she held with both hands.
我穿好衣服，去了会所，在那里我与前台的女士交谈，她穿着一件高领运动衫，用双手拿着的杯子喝着可可。
"If you're here about the water, there's nothing I can do.
“如果你来这里是为了水，我无能为力。
We operate on wells, and sometimes they leak.
我们在井上作业，有时会发生泄漏。
It's a troublesome thing, a leaky well.
井漏水，真是麻烦事。
So what we do, we shut down the pump around bedtime and turn it back on first thing in the morning.
所以我们所做的就是在睡前关闭泵，并在早上第一件事将其重新打开。
Today, we got a late start.
今天，我们起步晚了。
Most times, it's back on by 7:00, but Russell, handyman, didn't get back from his yoga class until close to 8 o'clock, on account of he threw out his shoulder doing some damn thing, whatever those people do tying themselves in knots in the presence of some yogi wearing a turban or god knows what, a loincloth-- I don't like to think about it while I'm drinking my cocoa."
大多数时候，它会在 7:00 之前恢复，但勤杂工拉塞尔直到接近 8 点才从瑜伽课回来，因为他做了一些该死的事情，他的肩膀被甩了，无论那些人在某个戴着头巾或天知道什么的瑜伽修行者面前把自己绑成一个结，我不喜欢在喝可可的时候考虑这些。”
She reached beneath the counter and pulled out two marshmallows, which she stuffed into her mug.
她把手伸到柜台下面，拿出两块棉花糖，塞进杯子里。
"If the water's out in your orange trailer, you can always use the bathroom in the clubhouse.
“如果你的橙色拖车里没水了，你可以随时使用俱乐部会所的浴室。
Door's always open."
门永远开着。”
The fog burned off slowly.
雾慢慢地消散了。
By 6 o'clock, it was clear and sunny.
6点多钟，天气晴朗，阳光明媚。
And I looked out my window to see a naked couple strutting across the grounds with a pair of tennis racquets.
我向窗外望去，看到一对赤身裸体的夫妇拿着一双网球拍大摇大摆地穿过场地。
The man wore his hair long in the back and carried himself as if he were dressed in a fine suit, his stride confident and purposeful, while the woman trotted behind him wearing a sun visor, knee socks, and sneakers.
男人把长发梳在脑后，举止就像穿着一套精美的西装，步伐自信而坚定，而女人则戴着遮阳帽、穿着及膝袜和运动鞋小跑在他身后。
These were the first active nudists I had seen.
这是我见过的第一批活跃的裸体主义者。
And I put on my pants and followed them, taking a seat beside the pavilion and pretending to read a book.
我也穿上裤子，跟着他们，在亭子旁边坐下，假装看书。
The man had an ample stomach and a broad, dimpled ass which jiggled and swayed as he leapt about the court, attempting to return his partner's serves.
这个男人有一个宽大的肚子和一个宽阔的、有酒窝的屁股，当他在球场上跳跃、试图接回搭档的发球时，屁股会轻轻摇晃。
They played for maybe five minutes before the man placed his hands on his knees, released a mouthful of bile onto the grass, and called it quits.
他们玩了大约五分钟，然后那个男人把手放在膝盖上，在草地上吐了一口胆汁，然后结束了。
They left the court, and I followed them into the clubhouse, where the man stepped into the bathroom, and the woman spoke to our hostess, who stood behind the counter, sorting change.
他们离开球场，我跟着他们进入俱乐部会所，男人走进浴室，女人对站在柜台后面整理零钱的女主人说话。
"Oh, looks like you brought some nice weather with you.
“哦，看来你带来了好天气。
Tennis player, are you?
网球运动员，你是吗？
Oh, that court doesn't get much use during the week.
哦，那个法庭在一周内没有太多用处。
But come Saturday, you'll have lots of folks to play with, though none of them are as good as you.
但是到了周六，你将会有很多人可以和你一起玩，尽管他们都没有你那么好。
I saw you through the window there.
我透过那里的窗户看到了你。
Haven't had a player like you in a long while.
好久没有遇到你这样的球员了。
Why, you're a regular what's-her-name, the girl who got stabbed back a few years ago.
哎呀，你是个常客，几年前被刺伤的那个女孩。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊。
You're good.
你很好。
I hope you and your husband will be staying for a while, maybe come up to my place for supper and a game of cards."
我希望你和你丈夫能留下来一段时间，也许来我家吃晚饭，打牌。”
The women had always been so cold to me but fell over herself making sure the married couple found everything to their liking.
女人们对我总是那么冷淡，但为了确保这对已婚夫妇找到了她们喜欢的一切，她们竭尽全力。
I heard the toilet flush, and the man re-entered the room with a bright red ring around his ass.
我听到马桶冲水的声音，那个男人重新走进房间，屁股上有一圈鲜红的环。
Here, I thought, was a real nudist.
我想，这里是一个真正的裸体主义者。
And I stared at him as though he had just stepped down from a flying saucer.
我盯着他，就好像他刚刚从飞碟上走下来一样。
There was a tuft of toilet paper, just slight, clinging to his bottom.
他的屁股上粘着一簇卫生纸，很轻微。
And when his wife pointed it out, he ran his hand along his crack and casually shrugged, as though it were nothing more significant than a dab of mayonnaise on his lips.
当他的妻子指出这一点时，他把手放在裂缝上，漫不经心地耸耸肩，仿佛这只不过是嘴唇上的一点蛋黄酱。
"Oh, yeah.
“哦，是的。
The two of you should join us some night for nude bowling.
你们两个应该找个晚上和我们一起打裸体保龄球。
Yeah, we rent out whole place and have ourself a tournament.
是的，我们出租整个场地并为自己举办一场锦标赛。
Oh, I can't race around a tennis court the way you can, but hand me a bowling ball, and I'll mop the floor with you.
哦，我不能像你那样在网球场上比赛，但是递给我一个保龄球，我会和你一起拖地。
Hold on just a moment, will you?
请稍等一下，好吗？
We've got ourselves a complainer standing in the back of the room.
我们有一个站在房间后面的抱怨者。
Well, what do you want?"
嗯，你想要什么？”
Looking out my bedroom window, I could see the clubhouse and its parking area.
从卧室的窗户往外看，我可以看到俱乐部会所和停车场。
Earlier today, I watched as a large trailer pulled up, marked with Maryland plates and led by a four-door late-model car.
今天早些时候，我看到一辆挂着马里兰州牌照的大型拖车停了下来，前面是一辆四门新型汽车。
This was someone arriving to park their trailer and stay for the summer.
这是有人来停放拖车并在这里度过夏天。
The car door opened, and a man stepped out, completely naked.
车门打开，一个赤身裸体的男人走了出来。
He'd been driving like that on the highway.
他在高速公路上就这样开车。
I guess he just couldn't wait.
我猜他只是等不及了。
I spoke to a woman in the sauna who said--
我在桑拿房里和一位女士交谈过，她说——
"Oh, you should've been here for last year's pudding toss."
“哦，去年你应该来这里吃布丁。”
"I beg your pardon?" Pudding toss, I thought it must be some expression like "sock hop." "Pudding isn't conducive to being tossed, is it?"
“请再说一遍？”抛布丁，我想这一定是“sock hop”之类的表达方式。 “布丁不利于被扔，是吗？”
"Oh, no, you can toss it.
“哦，不，你可以扔掉它。
You just can't catch it."
你就是抓不到它。”
[LAUGHTER] "Yeah, what we do is we make it up in five-gallon tubs and carry it out in the field, where we have a chocolate team against the vanillas.
[笑声]“是的，我们所做的就是在五加仑的桶中制作并在现场进行，在那里我们有一支巧克力团队对抗香草。
Then we just start pitching it at one another.
然后我们就开始互相推销。
And oh, it's a good time.
哦，这是一个美好的时光。
Some good times, yeah.
一些美好的时光，是的。
We can't do it this year.
今年我们做不到。
It attracted too many bees and files, which pretty much occupied the field for the next few months.
它吸引了太多的蜜蜂和文件，在接下来的几个月里几乎占据了这个领域。
But it was fun.
但这很有趣。
I should let it go.
我应该放手。
[LAUGHTER] David Sedaris This is Sunday, and looking out my window, I've noticed a lot of people come to the nudist park right after church.
[笑声] David Sedaris 今天是周日，从窗外望去，我注意到很多人在教堂结束后就来到了裸体公园。
I watch as they stand beside their cars, removing their sober suits and stripping off their dresses.
我看着他们站在车旁，脱掉朴素的西装，脱掉裙子。
One of today's guests was a Presbyterian minister, a plump, freckle-faced man with Daffy Duck tattooed on his ass.
今天的一位客人是一位长老会牧师，他是一位肥胖、满脸雀斑的男人，屁股上纹着达菲鸭。
I've seen plenty of tattoos, but none I've wanted to kick quite like that duck.
我见过很多纹身，但没有一个像那只鸭子一样让我想踢。
He wore it with a swagger, calling attention to a body part the Lord had clearly not blessed with muscle tone or unblemished skin.
他大摇大摆地戴着它，引起人们对上帝显然没有赐予肌肉张力或无瑕疵皮肤的身体部位的注意。
The duck's beak was distended, and he appeared to be picking at a rash of strawberries.
鸭子的嘴张得很大，看起来像是在摘草莓。
There are quite a few new faces today.
今天有不少新面孔。
A black man arrived in the company of two enormous white women, whose bodies were dual masses of rolling, dimpled flesh.
一名黑人男子在两名身材魁梧的白人妇女的陪伴下抵达，她们的身体是两团滚动的、布满酒窝的肉。
Fat spilled over their knees, and their stomachs fell like heavy sacks of bird feed.
脂肪溢出了他们的膝盖，他们的胃像一袋沉重的鸟饲料一样下垂。
Legs like tree trunks led straight into sandals, with no mention of ankle or discernible calf.
像树干一样的腿直接伸进凉鞋，没有提到脚踝或可辨别的小腿。
"Jesus, who's that colored guy, and how come he's got two women?
“天哪，那个黑人是谁，他怎么有两个女人？
Jesus, you reckon he's one of those pimps that come down here from Syracuse?"
天哪，你认为他是从锡拉丘兹来这里的皮条客之一吗？”
This was the only black person I'd seen all week.
这是我整个星期见过的唯一的黑人。
And by the time he left, it had been decided that--
当他离开时，大家已经决定——
"What he did was kidnap those girls.
“他所做的就是绑架那些女孩。
He's going to try to sell them as white slaves once he crosses the border into Canada, where the men will do anything to get their hands on a white woman."
一旦他越过边境进入加拿大，他就会试图将他们作为白人奴隶出售，那里的男人会不择手段地得到白人妇女。”
[LAUGHTER] David Sedaris I've taken to joining the group of seniors who gather naked each evening to watch Wheel of Fortune on the clubhouse TV.
[笑声] David Sedaris 我已经加入了每天晚上裸体聚集在俱乐部电视上观看《命运之轮》的老年人群体。
"Ask for an E.
“求一个E。
Oh, I meant a C.
哦，我的意思是C。
Oh, she's smart, that one."
哦，她很聪明，那个。”
It's an odd sensation, watching television this way.
以这种方式看电视有一种奇怪的感觉。
Because they are dressed, the people on TV seem even more remote than usual.
因为穿着打扮，电视里的人显得比平时更加疏远。
"Oh, I wish this show was naked.
“哦，我希望这个节目是裸体的。
It would be so much better that way, don't you think?
那样的话会好很多，你不觉得吗？
They could take the money they spent on wardrobe and make the prizes bigger.
他们可以把花在服装上的钱拿去让奖品变得更大。
I'd play the nude version and make enough money to build a big lake with lots of boats and tuna towers."
我会玩裸体版本，赚到足够的钱建造一个大湖，里面有很多船和金枪鱼塔。”
I liked the idea of that, filming two separate versions of any given program, one clothed and one naked.
我喜欢这个想法，拍摄任何给定节目的两个不同版本，一个穿着衣服，一个裸体。
"Do I have to?" Peter Jennings would ask.
“我必须这么做吗？”彼得·詹宁斯会问。
Due to the pleasant weather, the tarp has been taken off the swimming pool, which is surround it by comfortable reclining chairs, several of them positioned beneath a sign reading Handicapped Parking.
由于天气宜人，游泳池的防水布已被拆除，游泳池周围设有舒适的躺椅，其中几张位于“残疾人停车位”标志下方。
It is a posted rule that you have to be naked inside the pool area.
有一条明文规定，在泳池区域内必须裸体。
And I was just getting used to the idea when I was approached by a man named Dusty, who had clothes-pinned a piece of shirt cardboard to the brim of his sun visor in order to extend its shading capacities.
当我刚刚习惯这个想法时，一个名叫达斯蒂的男人走近我，他用衣服别针将一块衬衫纸板固定在遮阳板的边缘，以扩大其遮阳能力。
The man was doubled over, stopped with osteoporosis, his back and shoulders burnished like fine Italian leather, and his belly white from lack of sun.
那人弯着腰，因骨质疏松而停止了活动，他的背部和肩膀像意大利优质皮革一样光滑，腹部因缺乏阳光而泛白。
He wore his thick, gray hair cut close to his head and favored mirrored sunglasses, which reflected the sight of my pale, fidgety nakedness.
他留着浓密的灰色头发，剪得贴近头部，喜欢戴镜面太阳镜，它反射出我苍白、焦躁的裸体。
I asked him a question about the hot tub.
我问了他一个关于热水浴缸的问题。
And two hours later, he'd worked the subject around to the zoning ordinances of his hometown.
两个小时后，他根据家乡的分区条例解决了这个问题。
"I don't think that legally, you're allowed to build a grocery store in my neighborhood, because it's not zoned for that.
“我认为从法律上来说，你不被允许在我的社区建造一家杂货店，因为它没有被划为这个用途。
Oh, there used to be a little mom and pop operation where you could buy bread and soda and so forth, but that's been closed down and turned into a little church for the snake handlers.
哦，以前有一家小型夫妻店，你可以在那里买面包和苏打水等等，但那已经被关闭了，变成了蛇处理者的小教堂。
You might could put up an apartment building in my area, but first you'd have to check with the city council, because I'm not sure it's zoned for that.
你可以在我所在的地区建造一栋公寓楼，但首先你必须与市议会核实，因为我不确定它是否为此划定了区域。
How big of a place did you want to put up?"
你想建多大的地方？”
Had I mistakenly introduced myself as a real estate speculator?
我是否错误地将自己介绍为房地产投机者？
What was all this talk about building permits and zoning ordinances?
关于建筑许可和分区条例的讨论到底是什么？
"Course, down in the city, I guess you could build yourself an eight-story concrete beehive, just so long as you had the moolah to pay everybody off.
“当然，在城里，我想你可以为自己建造一个八层的混凝土蜂箱，只要你有钱付清每个人的钱。
That's the way it goes down where you come from, anything for a dollar.
这就是你从哪里来的情况，一美元就可以买到任何东西。
Then you come up here with your blueprints and steam shovels, thinking we're all a bunch of stupid hicks."
然后你带着你的蓝图和蒸汽铲来到这里，认为我们都是一群愚蠢的乡巴佬。”
He mugged, widening his face into a loopy, exaggerated grin, and running the tip of his tongue around the track of his lips.
他扮了个鬼脸，张大了脸，露出夸张的笑容，舌尖在嘴唇上划过。
"We just a group of bumpkins, are we?" His attitude was both playful and hostile, and was shared by many of the people I met during my stay.
“我们只是一群乡巴佬，不是吗？”他的态度既有趣又充满敌意，我在逗留期间遇到的许多人也有同样的态度。
Something about New York seemed to rub people the wrong way.
纽约的某些事情似乎让人们感到不舒服。
This was a family campground.
这是一个家庭露营地。
And New York was, to many of them, the place where wholesome families are shot down for sport.
对他们中的许多人来说，纽约是一个健康的家庭因运动而被击落的地方。
Tonight was a scheduled hobo slumgullion, and we were instructed to bring our canned vegetables to the pavilion by noon.
今晚是预定的流浪汉贫民窟，我们被指示在中午之前将罐装蔬菜带到凉亭。
I took the only canned good in my pantry and carried it down the hill, where I found two naked women wearing chef's hats and stirring a cauldron of ground beef and water.
我拿起储藏室里唯一的罐头食品，把它带下山，在那里我发现两个戴着厨师帽的裸体女人正在搅拌一锅碎牛肉和水。
"Just pray nobody brings any more corn.
“祈祷没人再带来更多玉米吧。
We got it coming out of our goddamned [BLEEP] holes."
我们从我们该死的[BLEEP]洞里得到了它。”
I set down my can of corn and asked what they meant by hobo slumgullion.
我放下玉米罐头，问他们“流浪汉”是什么意思。
"Jesus, it's a stew.
“天哪，这是炖菜。
This here is the base.
这里是基础。
And we add whatever people bring, which in your case, Jesus, I don't even have to look, corn.
我们添加人们带来的任何东西，就你而言，天哪，我什至不必看，玉米。
Come 5 o'clock, we'll all gather together and dress like hobos and eat out of tin cans.
到了五点钟，我们就会聚集在一起，穿得像流浪汉，用锡罐吃东西。
It's fun.
很有趣。
You'll see."
你会看到的。”
It struck me as an odd choice for a theme party.
我觉得这对于主题派对来说是一个奇怪的选择。
You hardly ever hear the word "hobo" anymore.
你几乎再也听不到“流浪汉”这个词了。
To me, it always carried a romantic connotation.
对我来说，它总是带有浪漫的含义。
But now, it's been replaced by the word "homeless."
但现在，它已经被“无家可归”这个词取代了。
"Fine, then.
“那么好吧。
Dress like a homeless person.
穿得像个无家可归的人。
But be here by 5 o'clock, because this [BLEEP]'s going to go fast."
但请在 5 点之前到达，因为这个 [BLEEP] 会走得很快。”
I returned to the pavilion at the scheduled time, where 50 people sat eating out of cans.
我按照预定的时间回到了展馆，那里有 50 个人坐在罐头里吃东西。
One man had smeared some charcoal on his cheeks.
一名男子在脸颊上抹了一些木炭。
He wore a tie against this bare chest and carried a stick, onto which he had fastened a plastic grocery bag.
他裸露的胸前系着一条领带，手里拿着一根棍子，棍子上系着一个塑料杂货袋。
Everyone else was naked, so he won the prize.
其他人都赤身裸体，所以他获奖了。
David Sedaris is the author of the book Barrel Fever .
大卫·塞达里斯 (David Sedaris) 是《桶热》一书的作者。
This was an excerpt from a story in his upcoming book, Naked.
这是他即将出版的新书《裸体》中故事的摘录。
Amy Sedaris appears on stage and television.
艾米·塞达里斯出现在舞台和电视上。
Act Two.
第二幕。
Well, this is our fall clearance program.
嗯，这是我们的秋季清仓计划。
And the next item that we are pulling off the shelves for you is this set of stories by Scott Carrier.
我们为您下架的下一个项目是斯科特·卡里尔的这套故事。
He's a writer and radio producer living in Salt Lake City.
他是一位住在盐湖城的作家和广播制作人。
And he sent us these little stories that are really hard to classify.
他给我们发来了这些很难分类的小故事。
They're vignettes with this-- they have this very special and particular attitude to them.
他们对此有小插曲——他们对他们有一种非常特殊和特殊的态度。
He records them sitting in his backyard in Salt Lake City.
他坐在盐湖城的后院记录他们。
Because they're so anecdotal, it's actually been hard to figure out how to program them into one of our regular shows.
因为它们是如此轶事，所以实际上很难弄清楚如何将它们编入我们的常规节目之一。
But the radio staff and I, we love these very much and thought you would find them interesting.
但是电台工作人员和我，我们非常喜欢这些，并认为你会发现它们很有趣。
And it's the perfect time to play them.
现在是玩它们的最佳时机。
It was between plays.
那是在戏剧之间。
The coach was talking to the offense in the huddle, drawing on his sketch board, reprimanding somebody for screwing up the last play.
教练在人群中与进攻组交谈，在素描板上画画，斥责某人搞砸了最后一场比赛。
We were standing around, waiting.
我们站在一旁，等待着。
We were the defense, and we had no coach.
我们是防守方，而且我们没有教练。
We had three or four formations we'd run, but we'd never made a call until the last minute.
我们有三四个阵型，但直到最后一刻我们才做出决定。
I remember, because I made the calls.
我记得，因为我打过电话。
I was the monster man, the free safety, the captain of the defense.
我是怪物人，自由安全，防守队长。
And I'd often call one formation as the offense broke huddle, and then stand back and wait until everyone was set, the quarterback going through his count, and then call another formation, just so everything would change shape right before the ball was snapped.
当进攻打破拥挤时，我经常会调用一种阵型，然后退后等待，直到每个人都准备好，四分卫进行计数，然后调用另一种阵型，这样一切都会在球被折断之前改变形状。
This added the elements of surprise and chaos to our attack.
这给我们的攻击增添了惊喜和混乱的元素。
It made the offense respect and fear us.
这让进攻方尊重并害怕我们。
And often, their plays crumbled under the disorder we caused.
通常，他们的表演会因为我们造成的混乱而崩溃。
I realize now I must have learned this strategy from my mother, who was at that time going crazy from a painful divorce.
我现在意识到我一定是从我母亲那里学到了这个策略，她当时正因痛苦的离婚而发疯。
But there was this day, this practice I was talking about before, when the coach was in the offensive huddle.
但有一天，我之前谈到的这种练习，当时教练正在进攻中。
The sun was going down, and the practice was coasting to an end.
太阳快落山了，练习也接近尾声了。
We, the Highland Mighty Mite defense, were standing around quietly, minds empty, like 12-year-old desperadoes, waiting for a train.
我们，高地威螨防御队，静静地站在周围，头脑空虚，就像12岁的亡命徒一样，等待火车。
I was standing there, spacing out with everyone else.
我站在那里，和其他人保持距离。
And then, I had this new feeling.
然后，我有了这种新的感觉。
I was conscious of being inside a shell, my by helmet and shoulder pads, looking out at the world, like my uniform and even my body were just protective packaging.
我意识到自己在一个外壳里，戴着头盔和垫肩，看着外面的世界，就像我的制服甚至我的身体都只是保护性包装。
I felt weightless.
我感到失重。
I was in love with the air, the smell of the grass, the warm light and the cottonwood trees at the edge of the field.
我爱上了空气、青草的气味、温暖的光线和田野边缘的白杨树。
I remember looking out at Bruce Seymour, our big defensive end who had already reached puberty.
我记得我看着布鲁斯·西摩（Bruce Seymour），他是我们已经进入青春期的防守端锋。
He had his helmet tipped up, and his hair was all sweaty.
他的头盔高高翘起，头发全是汗。
And he was gnawing on his mouthpiece.
他正在咬着他的喉舌。
He turned and looked at me.
他转过身来看着我。
And I wanted to say to him, "Do you feel it?" But I didn't know what "it" was.
我想对他说：“你感觉到了吗？”但我不知道“它”是什么。
I didn't know how to explain what I was feeling.
我不知道如何解释我的感受。
I called a huddle and said, "We're going to do something different this time.
我召集了一个小组并说：“这次我们要做一些不同的事情。
We'll line up in a regular 6-3 formation.
我们将排成常规的 6-3 阵型。
But as they get set, I'm going to say a haiku.
但当他们准备好后，我要说一首俳句。
And I want you guys to start moving around.
我希望你们开始四处走动。
Dance around.
跳舞。
Stand on your head.
站在你的头上。
Do whatever you want.
做任何你想做的事。
We'll kill them."
我们会杀了他们。”
The offense came out of their huddle, and we went into a 6-3.
他们的进攻从他们的拥挤中爆发出来，我们打成6-3。
And just as the quarterback started his count, I yelled, "The wind brings dry leaves, enough to build a fire." And my defense stood up and looked at each other, and then looked at me, and didn't do anything.
正当四分卫开始数数时，我喊道：“风带来了干树叶，足以生火。”而我的防守站了起来，看了对方一眼，又看了看我，并没有做任何事情。
It was so weird that the offense stood up, too.
奇怪的是，进攻也站起来了。
And then the coach blew his whistle and yelled, "What's going on?
然后教练吹响了哨子并喊道：“发生了什么事？
What's the problem?" Nobody spoke.
有什么问题吗？”没有人说话。
He looked at me and said, "Carrier, what are you doing?"
他看着我说：“Carrier，你在做什么？”
I said, "We're running a haiku." He said, "A what?" "A haiku," I said.
我说：“我们正在唱俳句。”他说：“什么？” “一首俳句，”我说。
"We learned it today in school.
“我们今天在学校学到了这一点。
'The wind brings dry leaves, enough to build a fire.'"
“风带来干树叶，足以生火。””
He said, "Oh, right.
他说：“哦，对了。
Uh, a haiku.
呃，一首俳句。
Just run a 6-3, OK?" So we ran a 6-3.
打个6-3，好吗？”所以我们打出了6-3的比分。
And I don't remember what happened after that.
我不记得之后发生了什么。
They've come down from the mountain, and they're not talking to each other.
他们从山上下来了，彼此没有说话。
In the pole tent in base camp, below Alpamayo, the water is boiling for dinner.
阿尔帕马约下方大本营的帐篷里，水正在沸腾，准备吃晚饭了。
I'm making noodle soup and coca tea, as this is all the food we have left.
我正在做面条汤和古柯茶，因为这是我们剩下的所有食物。
Jenkins, Wyatt, and Mitsunaga are reading.
詹金斯、怀亚特和光永正在读书。
My brother wants me to teach him some Spanish.
我哥哥要我教他一些西班牙语。
"Huesos del condor, los quiero huesos del condor." I'm telling him "bones of the condor," trying to make it simple.
“秃鹰的颜色，秃鹰的颜色。”我告诉他“秃鹰的骨头”，试图让事情变得简单。
"Donde esta?" Over there is "A ya," usually with a hand signal.
“东德？”那边是“啊呀”，通常是用手势表示的。
"En las montanas," up in the mountains, "a selva," the jungle, "oriental." He's paying attention, repeating, trying to memorize.
“En las montanas”，在山上，“丛林”，丛林，“东方”。他正在集中注意力，重复，努力记住。
The've come down from the mountain, and they didn't get to the top.
他们已经从山上下来了，但还没有到达山顶。
For two days, they tried the northwest ridge, and then spent the third day out on the north face, where Mitsunaga fell 50 feet, cartwheeling down a [UNINTELLIGIBLE], and Jenkins held him without a [?
他们花了两天的时间尝试了西北山脊，然后在北壁度过了第三天，在那里，Mitsunaga 从 50 英尺处坠落，从[无法理解]中翻滚而下，詹金斯没有用[？
belay.
保护。
?] It was very steep on snow, rock, and ice.
？] 雪、岩石和冰上非常陡峭。
They were all scared and decided to bivouac in a snow cave.
他们都很害怕，决定在雪洞里露营。
That evening, my brother watched a condor ride a thermal up the face of the mountain.
那天晚上，我哥哥看到一只秃鹰乘着热气流爬上了山的表面。
He was looking down on it for 5,000 vertical feet.
他俯视着 5,000 英尺的垂直高度。
And when it was at the same level, they looked each other in the eye.
当处于同一高度时，他们互相看着对方的眼睛。
Then we watched it from below as it went up another 1,000 feet and flew off over the top of the mountain.
然后我们从下面观看它又上升了 1,000 英尺并飞过山顶。
The next morning, they decided to come back to base camp to get some more food.
第二天早上，他们决定返回大本营去获取更多食物。
But there is no more food in base camp.
但大本营已经没有食物了。
And they're so hungry and mean-spirited, they think I ate everything.
他们又饿又卑鄙，以为我把所有东西都吃了。
But really, they took the good stuff, the sardines, the sugar, and the butter, and ate it while they were climbing.
但实际上，他们把好东西，沙丁鱼，糖和黄油，在攀登时吃掉了。
To get even, I tell them the story of the best meal I've ever had.
为了报复，我告诉他们我吃过的最好的一餐的故事。
I was hitchhiking through Montreal, coming from Alaska, going to Miami.
我从阿拉斯加搭便车穿过蒙特利尔，前往迈阿密。
And this woman driving a Mercedes picked me up and asked me if she could cook dinner for me.
这个开奔驰的女人来接我，问我是否可以为我做晚饭。
She said her husband was on call at the hospital, and she didn't like to eat alone.
她说她丈夫在医院待命，她不喜欢一个人吃饭。
She was in her late 40s or early 50s, with the face of a falcon, quick, delicate eyes.
她四十多岁、五十出头，长着一张鹰隼般的脸，目光敏锐而精致。
She had a hypnotic voice, a Scandinavian accent, and her left hand had a knife scar running sideways across all her fingers.
她有一种催眠般的声音，带有斯堪的纳维亚口音，她的左手所有手指上都有一道刀疤。
We went to her house, and she asked me to cut up the vegetables.
我们去了她家，她让我切蔬菜。
She got out some pans, and lit a cigarette, and made some coffee.
她拿出一些平底锅，点燃了一根香烟，煮了一些咖啡。
She stood really close to me and asked me where I was from and where I was going.
她站得离我很近，问我从哪里来，要去哪里。
She wanted to know everything.
她想知道一切。
And then I was peeling potatoes.
然后我正在削土豆皮。
She put her arms around my waist, put her head on my shoulder, and smelled my hair and my sweater.
她用双臂搂住我的腰，把头靠在我的肩膀上，闻着我的头发和毛衣的味道。
The first course was potato salad with parsley and vinegar, then sliced tomatoes with grated Parmesan, white wine, then shrimp and salmon with lemon and red wine, and then prime rib with a sweet barbecue sauce, followed by a beaker of cognac.
第一道菜是土豆沙拉配欧芹和醋，然后是切片西红柿配磨碎的帕尔马干酪、白葡萄酒，然后是虾和三文鱼配柠檬和红酒，然后是肋骨配甜烧烤酱，最后是一杯干邑白兰地。
After dinner, she showed me where I could sleep in a bedroom in the attic and said goodnight.
晚饭后，她带我去阁楼的一间卧室睡觉，并向我道了晚安。
But sometime in the middle of the night, she came into my room, naked.
但在半夜的某个时候，她赤身裸体走进了我的房间。
I opened my eyes and saw her standing there in the dark.
我睁开眼睛，看到她站在黑暗中。
She got into bed and whispered in German while we made love.
我们做爱时，她上床用德语低声说话。
Jenkins says, "You made that up." I say, "Maybe some of it."
詹金斯说：“这是你编的。”我说：“也许有一些。”
The next day, we leave base camp and walk down to a village at 12,000 feet.
第二天，我们离开大本营，步行前往海拔 12,000 英尺的村庄。
We buy canned sardines at the little store and spend the evening drinking its beer, lying on the grass outside, watching the old matron as she bakes bread of us in an adobe oven shaped like a beehive.
我们在小商店买了沙丁鱼罐头，晚上喝着啤酒，躺在外面的草地上，看着老妇人在蜂窝状的土坯烤箱里为我们烤面包。
As it gets dark, the light from the fire coming out the door of the oven is the only light in the village.
天黑了，从烤箱门里发出的火光是村里唯一的光亮。
We lie back, looking at the stars, which in the Andes, are all as bright as planets.
我们躺下来，看着安第斯山脉的星星，它们都像行星一样明亮。
The old woman is standing in front of the oven, staying warm, watching the bread.
老妇人站在烤箱前取暖，看着面包。
And my brother walks over and stands next to her.
我哥哥走过来站在她旁边。
He stands there for a minute and then turns and says,
他在那里站了一分钟，然后转身说：
[SPEAKING SPANISH] "Como?" she says.
[说西班牙语]“科莫？”她说。
My brother says it again, and again she says, "Como?" "Huesos del condor," he says.
我哥哥又说了一遍，她又说：“科莫？” “Huesos del Condor，”他说。
"I want to find some condor bones." "No," she shakes her head.
“我想找到一些秃鹰的骨头。” “不，”她摇摇头。
"No."
“不。”
The hunt begins at dawn, my brother pulling me out of bed onto the floor.
狩猎从黎明开始，我哥哥把我从床上拉到地板上。
"Come on, come on." I'm tying my shoes, and he's out the door.
“来吧，来吧。”我正在系鞋带，他就出了门。
Outside, the fog is lifting off the grass.
外面，雾气正从草地上消散。
I'm looking for my brother, but I can't even see the car in the driveway.
我正在寻找我的兄弟，但我什至看不到车道上的汽车。
Then he comes running from the backyard.
然后他从后院跑过来。
I run and catch up with him across the street in the Manders' backyard.
我跑过去，在曼德斯家后院的街对面追上了他。
And he says, "Some animals sleep in the daytime and go out at night to eat.
他说：“有些动物白天睡觉，晚上出去吃东西。
If we hurry, we can catch them before they go back in the ground." I believe him.
如果我们抓紧时间，我们就能在他们回到地下之前抓住他们。”我相信他。
I have no idea how he knows these things, but he does.
我不知道他是怎么知道这些事情的，但他确实知道。
He goes out and runs through our neighbor's yards and catches wild animals with his bare hands, mainly lizards, turtles, and snakes.
他出去跑过邻居的院子，徒手捕捉野生动物，主要是蜥蜴、乌龟和蛇。
Then he wraps them in his shirt and brings them back to the cages in our room so he can study them.
然后他把它们包裹在衬衫里，带回我们房间的笼子里，这样他就可以研究它们。
I'm running along behind him.
我跟在他后面跑。
And when I lose him in the fog, I follow the tracks he leaves in the dew on the grass.
当我在雾中迷失他时，我会追踪他在草地上的露珠中留下的痕迹。
I catch up to him, and he's down on his hands and knees, crawling through the juniper bushes in front of the Gooch's house.
我追上了他，他手脚并用，在古奇家门前的杜松丛中爬行。
He says, "There's a garter snake in here.
他说：“这里有一条袜带蛇。
I saw it.
我看到了。
It went right in front of me."
它就在我面前。”
He's crawling around, breaking branches.
他到处爬行，折断树枝。
And I hear the front door open.
我听到前门打开的声音。
And there's our neighbor, Daisy Gooch, in her bathrobe.
我们的邻居黛西·古奇 (Daisy Gooch) 穿着浴袍。
She looks 10 feet tall and 900 years old, and says, "What's going on out here?" I say, "There's a snake in there." She says, "There's no snake in there.
她看起来有 10 英尺高，有 900 岁，问道：“这里发生了什么事？”我说：“里面有一条蛇。”她说：“里面没有蛇。
You boys get out of here, now." And she starts for us with her broom.
你们这些孩子现在就离开这里。”她拿着扫帚为我们出发。
We take off running.
我们出发奔跑。
We don't need to run that far.
我们不需要跑那么远。
It's not like she's going to come after us.
她不会来追我们的。
But we keep running anyway.
但我们还是继续奔跑。
We jump the fence at Gerholt's house, and we're on the golf course, heading towards the gully.
我们跳过格霍特家的栅栏，来到高尔夫球场，朝沟壑前进。
My brother says, "I think I figured out a way to run and not get tired.
我哥哥说：“我想我找到了一种跑步而不累的方法。
It's all in how you breathe.
这一切都取决于你如何呼吸。
Yesterday, I ran over to the gully and down to the river and back, and I didn't get out of breath.
昨天，我跑到沟壑，跑到河边，又跑回来，没有气喘吁吁。
I can run as far as I want." "Like the Indians," I say.
我想跑多远就跑多远。” “就像印第安人一样，”我说。
"Yeah, like the Indians."
“是的，就像印第安人一样。”
My brother and I are of a savage mind, running down the fourth fairway.
我和我的兄弟头脑野蛮，沿着第四球道奔跑。
Never has the golf course been hunted by two so brave.
高尔夫球场从来没有被两个如此勇敢的人猎杀过。
We have everything we need.
我们拥有我们需要的一切。
The wilderness is unfolding in front of us.
荒野正在我们面前展开。
Scott Carrier lives in Salt Lake City.
斯科特·卡里尔住在盐湖城。
Musical interludes during that story by Jenny Magnus here in Chicago.
在芝加哥，珍妮·马格纳斯的故事中插有音乐插曲。
Coming up, loving animals, really loving them.
来吧，热爱动物，真正热爱它们。
And loving somebody who your family hates.
并爱一个你的家人讨厌的人。
That's in a minute when our program continues.
一会儿我们的节目就继续了。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, we choose a theme, invite a variety of writers and performers, reporters, and documentary producers to do a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
在我们的节目中，我们每周都会选择一个主题，邀请各种作家和表演者、记者和纪录片制片人围绕该主题制作各种不同类型的故事。
But this week, for a change, we're playing some of the stories that we have found or commissioned and have not been able to figure out a way to work into some theme.
但本周，我们做了一些改变，播放了一些我们发现或委托制作的故事，但无法找到一种方法来融入某些主题。
Or sometimes shows got so crowded, because we got so much material we liked, we squeezed it out and said, "Well, we'll run this sometime."
或者有时演出变得如此拥挤，因为我们有太多我们喜欢的材料，我们把它挤出来并说，“好吧，我们有时会运行这个。”
The future has arrived.
未来已经到来。
It is sometime.
是有的时候。
In short, it is our fall clearance sale, where we are clearing the inventory off the shelves and passing the big radio values on to you.
简而言之，这是我们的秋季清仓促销，我们正在清理货架上的库存，并将重要的无线电价值传递给您。
That's right, you.
没错，你。
Before we go any further, some of you may recall a few weeks ago, we played you some of the work of Greg Whitehead, of the Institute for Scream Studies.
在我们继续深入之前，你们中的一些人可能还记得几周前，我们向你们播放了尖叫研究所格雷格·怀特海德的一些作品。
Whitehead is gathering the sound of people screaming, stories about people screaming, thoughts about the meaning of various screams.
怀特海德正在收集人们尖叫的声音，关于人们尖叫的故事，以及对各种尖叫含义的思考。
It is his belief that screams, that we take them as a unit, that we take all screams as being the same, that screams have more meaning than we generally understand.
他相信尖叫，我们将它们视为一个整体，我们将所有尖叫视为相同，尖叫比我们通常理解的更有意义。
And he's gathering these from around the world.
他正在从世界各地收集这些。
And we invited you to contribute to his research by calling a special phone number and leaving your thoughts and screams.
我们邀请您拨打一个特殊的电话号码并留下您的想法和尖叫声，为他的研究做出贡献。
And so far, many of you have responded.
到目前为止，你们中的许多人已经做出了回应。
Hi, my name is Oliver, and I'm going to leave my scream.
嗨，我叫奥利弗，我要留下我的尖叫声。
[SCREAM] Man Hi.
[尖叫]伙计，嗨。
I'm the lead singer in a band called Hate Wave and the lyrics are all screaming.
我是一个叫 Hate Wave 的乐队的主唱，歌词都在尖叫。
So I'll give you the first verse from a song called [UNINTELLIGIBLE] Ghosts.
所以我会给你一首名为[难以理解]鬼魂的歌曲的第一节歌词。
[SCREAMING] Woman For eight-plus years, I have been unable to express an emotion so devastating.
[尖叫] 女人 八年多来，我一直无法表达如此毁灭性的情感。
When I learned about this scream line, I felt it may be an opportunity to free my spirit from the bondage of the trauma that catapulted me into the void of insanity.
当我了解到这句尖叫声时，我觉得这可能是一个机会，可以将我的精神从创伤的束缚中解放出来，创伤使我陷入疯狂的空虚。
Someone said, "I think you hit something.
有人说：“我想你撞到了什么东西。
I think you hit a kid." This is impossible, because I saw no one.
我认为你打了一个孩子。”这是不可能的，因为我没有看到任何人。
I stopped the bus, all the while knowing that in order to hit anything, something had to be there."
我停下了公共汽车，同时知道为了撞到任何东西，必须有东西在那里。”
If you have not called our line yet, we urge you to call the line.
如果您还没有拨打我们的热线，我们强烈建议您拨打该热线。
The number is 312-832-3326.
电话号码是 312-832-3326。
And we want screams, thoughts about screams, stories about screams.
我们想要尖叫，关于尖叫的想法，关于尖叫的故事。
Don't put this off.
别把这事搁置了。
Do it today or tomorrow.
今天或明天做。
If Greg Whitehead gets enough of these, he'll put together another full story in a future edition of our program.
如果格雷格·怀特海德（Greg Whitehead）听够了这些，他将在我们节目的未来版本中整理另一个完整的故事。
Again, the number, 312-832-3326, a little radio experiment.
再说一遍，312-832-3326，一个小小的无线电实验。
And while we have the lab coats on, we might as well move on to act three, Everyday Anthropology.
当我们穿上实验室外套时，我们不妨继续第三幕，日常人类学。
This is a posting from a Usenet group on the internet.
这是来自互联网上 Usenet 小组的帖子。
It's one of these places where people post messages to each other.
这是人们互相发布消息的地方之一。
And this is from, I believe, the zoophilia group.
我相信这是来自兽恋组。
And one of the things I should make a distinction about right up front is-- well, even before we make that distinction, let me just say right up front, some of this material might not be suitable for some of our younger listeners.
我应该首先区分的一件事是——好吧，甚至在我们做出区分之前，让我先说一下，其中一些材料可能不适合我们的一些年轻听众。
Again, use your discretion.
再次强调，请谨慎行事。
All right, now on to the subject at hand.
好吧，现在进入当前的主题。
Apparently, there's a difference between zoophilia and bestiality.
显然，兽恋和兽交是有区别的。
If that doesn't make scared parents turn off their radios, I don't know what will.
如果这还不能让害怕的父母关掉收音机，我不知道还有什么可以。
There's a difference.
有区别。
Apparently, people who are into bestiality want to-- how to say this-- want to physically love an animal.
显然，热衷于兽交的人想要——怎么说——想要在身体上爱动物。
And people who are into zoophilia actually fall in love.
迷恋兽恋的人实际上会坠入爱河。
They actually fall in love with the animal.
他们实际上爱上了这种动物。
Anyway, somebody posted this to one of these groups.
无论如何，有人将其发布到其中一个组中。
"The first time I ever heard of bestiality was in 12th grade.
“我第一次听说兽交是在12年级的时候。
My future husband told me that he had sexual fantasies involving animals.
我未来的丈夫告诉我，他对动物有性幻想。
At the time, I was intrigued.
当时我很感兴趣。
My curiosity was piqued.
我的好奇心被勾起来了。
I wrote in my journal, 'I want to know what he wants to do, and with what species.' That was all the thought I ever gave it.
我在日记中写道：“我想知道他想做什么，以及与什么物种一起做。”这就是我的全部想法。
I knew that fantasies were just that, fantasies, in which anything could happen.
我知道幻想就是幻想，任何事都有可能发生。
Over the next several years, as we attended university, moved in together, eventually got married, he spoke frequently about animals, particularly horses, which he had always loved.
在接下来的几年里，当我们上大学、同居、最终结婚时，他经常谈论动物，尤其是他一直喜欢的马。
I did not find this strange, his love, as I love cats.
我并不觉得这有什么奇怪，他的爱就像我爱猫一样。
I know people who are dog-crazy or whatever.
我认识一些喜欢狗或其他什么的人。
The sexual aspect never once occurred to me, despite what he had told me in high school.
尽管他在高中时告诉过我，但我从来没有想到过性方面的事情。
He loved to look at pictures of them, would practically run us off the road to stare at a 'horsey,' in quotes, loved watching nature shows, particularly the ones that showed real matings between almost any sort of animal.
他喜欢看它们的照片，几乎会把我们赶出马路，盯着一匹带引号的“马”，喜欢看自然表演，尤其是那些展示几乎所有动物之间真实交配的表演。
I didn't find this odd, as I am a bit prurient myself, sometimes."
我并不觉得这很奇怪，因为我自己有时也有点好色。”
This thing goes on.
这件事还在继续。
It's really this very odd human document, both of her denial and of what happens.
这确实是一份非常奇怪的人类文件，包括她的否认和所发生的事情。
"As we grew closer, he revealed other dreams and fantasies he had.
“随着我们的关系越来越亲密，他透露了他的其他梦想和幻想。
Some, like the dream of us being lions and mating together, were wonderful turn-ons for me.
有些梦想，比如我们成为狮子并在一起交配的梦想，对我来说是美妙的刺激。
I don't judge people's dreams.
我不评判人们的梦想。
They can't control what their mind does when they're asleep.
当他们睡着时，他们无法控制自己的大脑在做什么。
Others, like a fantasy of us being horses, struck me as odd, but not totally insane.
其他的，比如我们是马的幻想，让我觉得很奇怪，但并不完全疯狂。
Even the fact that he wanted to have sex with me on horseback didn't seem too strange to me.
甚至他想在马背上和我做爱这一事实对我来说也并不奇怪。
Impractical, uncomfortable, yes.
不切实际，不舒服，是的。
Strange, no.
奇怪，没有。
He asked me if I thought having sex with an animal would constitute adultery.
他问我是否认为与动物发生性关系构成通奸。
This should've clued me in, but perhaps I was blind to something that was so out of the question.
这本应该让我明白的，但也许我对一些根本不可能的事情视而不见。
I thought what most people think, that only desperate people would ever have to resort to an animal.
我和大多数人的想法一样，只有绝望的人才会求助于动物。
I figured horny teenagers with no other outlet, or really gruesome-looking adults.
我想象的是没有其他出路的好色的青少年，或者看起来非常可怕的成年人。
I could not figure out why he was asking.
我不明白他为什么问。
He just said he was curious.
他只是说他很好奇。
We have hypothetical conversations like that from time to time, so I did not think this was anything special.
我们时不时会有这样的假设性对话，所以我不认为这有什么特别的。
I never thought it was odd that he would spend hours just visiting friends who own horses, or going to the race track just to look at them, or going to the races but never betting, or biking for miles just to go to a farm on the far side of the bay.
我从来没有觉得奇怪的是，他会花几个小时去看望拥有马匹的朋友，或者去赛马场只是为了看看它们，或者去看比赛但从不投注，或者骑自行车几英里只是为了去海湾另一边的农场。
When he said he couldn't sleep at night--" Hold on.
当他说他晚上睡不着时——“等等。
I'm going to queue up some more music here.
我要在这里排队更多的音乐。
Let's see about this music right here.
让我们在这里看看这个音乐。
You guys hear that?
你们听到了吗？
We're having a technical problem here with our music.
我们的音乐遇到了技术问题。
All right, go to this music again.
好吧，再听一遍这个音乐。
"When he said he couldn't sleep at night and would go for walks until 2:00 in the morning, I worried about him, but never once thought he was going to fence-hop at the track and make a stallion his new boyfriend.
“当他说他晚上睡不着，要出去散步直到凌晨 2:00 时，我很担心他，但从来没想过他会在赛马场上跳栅栏，让一匹种马成为他的新男朋友。
I just though he was worried about school or work or us."
我只是觉得他担心学校、工作或我们。”
Anyway, then she talks about how they got an internet connection.
不管怎样，然后她谈到了他们如何获得互联网连接。
And he starts signing onto these groups where they discuss this stuff on the net.
他开始加入这些小组，他们在网上讨论这些事情。
And she says, "I didn't care in the least what he read, but he started getting very paranoid every time I walked by the computer.
她说：“我一点也不关心他读了什么，但每次我经过电脑时，他就开始变得非常偏执。
He'd stay up late at night, downloading pictures I never got to see, reading stories I never got to read.
他会熬夜，下载我从未见过的图片，阅读我从未读过的故事。
We began snapping at each other.
我们开始互相争吵。
I was angry that he was always on the net, ignoring me.
我很生气他总是上网，不理我。
He was angry because I wouldn't give him any, quote, 'privacy.'"
他很生气，因为我不给他任何‘隐私’。”
Anyway, it goes on and on.
无论如何，它会一直持续下去。
And finally he tells her.
最后他告诉了她。
She confronts him.
她面对他。
She says, "Don't hide this from me." "And then he said the sentence that changed our lives," she wrote.
她说：“别向我隐瞒这件事。” “然后他说了这句话，改变了我们的生活，”她写道。
"'I mean, I haven't done half of what some of those people have done.' 'Done?' I asked.
“‘我的意思是，我所做的事情还不到其中一些人所做的一半。’ '完毕？'我问。
'Oh my god.
'哦天啊。
Open mouth, insert foot.' He laughed at himself, then hung his head, looking totally lost and defeated.
张开嘴，插入脚。他自嘲地笑了笑，然后低下了头，看上去完全失落和失败。
'I didn't mean to tell you that yet.' He started to cry.
“我本来不想告诉你这个的。”他开始哭泣。
My thoughts came flooding, all mostly gibberish.
我的思绪如潮水般涌来，大部分都是胡言乱语。
No wonder I have to convince him to make love.
难怪我必须说服他做爱。
Doesn't he love me?
他不爱我吗？
Why?
为什么？
Why?
为什么？
Why?"
为什么？”
Then she goes on explaining about zoophilia and all she's learned, and how she tried to comfort him.
然后她继续解释有关兽恋症和她所学到的一切，以及她如何试图安慰他。
And then she says, in a way, people who go through other experiences have these kinds of things.
然后她说，在某种程度上，经历过其他经历的人也会有这些事情。
She said, "I wanted to cry.
她说：“我想哭。
I felt so close to him because of what he told me.
因为他告诉我的事情，我感觉和他很亲近。
I felt I finally knew him."
我觉得我终于认识他了。”
She says that she wrote him a letter.
她说她给他写了一封信。
Anyway, she goes on to say how she's come to peace with it by talking about other people, by talking to other people who have these desires.
不管怎样，她接着说她是如何通过谈论其他人、通过与其他有这些愿望的人交谈来平静下来的。
She says, "It took me a while to realize there was so much diversity in the world.
她说：“我花了一段时间才意识到世界上有如此多的多样性。
I am very glad I had the opportunity to find out.
我很高兴有机会了解这一点。
I've also abandoned the idea that he breaks his wedding vows every time he's with an animal.
我也放弃了他每次和动物在一起都会违背结婚誓言的想法。
It's not as if he would ever leave me for a horse.
他不会为了一匹马而抛弃我。
He's told me that what he feels for the horse is totally different from what he feels for me.
他告诉我，他对马的感觉和对我的感觉完全不同。
The horse fills a kind of spiritual void that I cannot.
马填补了我无法填补的精神空虚。
While I am saddened by the fact that I cannot fulfill all of his needs, in fact, I don't fulfill all his needs, I've come to realize with the help of our zoophile friends that there is no way for anyone to be all things to him, or to anyone.
虽然我对自己无法满足他的所有需求感到难过，事实上，我并没有满足他的所有需求，但在我们的动物爱好者朋友的帮助下，我逐渐意识到，任何人都不可能对他或任何人来说都是一切。
I obviously don't have the right equipment to be a stallion for him.
我显然没有合适的装备来为他当种马。
Grin," it says.
咧嘴笑，”它说。
"His coming out actually made our marriage better, since all the pain we've struggled through brought us closer.
“他的出柜实际上让我们的婚姻变得更好，因为我们所经历的所有痛苦让我们更加亲近。
Even hearing what he had done with the animals made me feel closer to him, since it revealed a part of him I didn't know existed.
甚至听到他对动物所做的事情也让我感觉离他更近了，因为这揭示了他的一部分我不知道的存在。
He has told me that if I forced him to choose, he would pick me in an instant.
他告诉我，如果我强迫他选择，他会立刻选择我。
I hope I never get that petty, petty enough to force him into a choice like that."
我希望我永远不会变得如此小气，小气到迫使他做出这样的选择。”
Act Four.
第四幕。
Carmen Delzell When I was a little girl, I thought my grandmother, [?
卡门·德尔泽尔 当我还是个小女孩的时候，我以为我的祖母，[？
Tuesie, ?] was an angel.
Tuesie，？] 是一个天使。
I really did.
我真的做到了。
My mother, Bonnie, was what she called a career girl.
我的母亲邦妮是她所说的职业女性。
And after she and my father separated, I was left with my grandparents for the first five years of my childhood.
她和我父亲分居后，我在童年的头五年里被留给了祖父母。
Carmen Delzell stumbled into this next story after a funeral.
卡门·德尔泽尔在葬礼后偶然发现了下一个故事。
And to get the story, I think you really have to understand the funeral.
为了理解这个故事，我认为你必须真正了解葬礼。
Carmen is from Texas.
卡门来自德克萨斯州。
And the person who she was closest with as a child was her grandmother, who she adored, and who adored her.
而她小时候最亲近的人就是她的祖母，她崇拜她，祖母也崇拜她。
And the grandma's house was always orderly and clean, versus the chaos of Carmen's parents' houses.
与卡门父母家里的混乱相比，奶奶的房子总是井然有序、干净整洁。
A few years ago, Carmen put together a little documentary about her grandma, [?
几年前，卡门制作了一部关于她祖母的小纪录片，[？
Tuesie ?], who was then in a nursing home and not too happy about it.
Tuesie？]，当时她在疗养院，对此不太高兴。
And in that documentary, she talked with her grandmother about heaven, about the past.
在那部纪录片中，她和祖母谈论了天堂，谈论了过去。
And she remembered what it was like growing up with a Bible Belt, Christian grandma.
她还记得带着圣经带长大的感觉，基督徒奶奶。
Sundays were always a problem for me.
周日对我来说总是一个问题。
When I was little and living with her, I grew to dread the long, boring services, and the way all the ladies greeted me and asked me if I'd been baptized and washed in the blood of the Lamb.
当我还小的时候，和她住在一起时，我开始害怕那些漫长而无聊的仪式，以及所有女士们迎接我并问我是否接受过洗礼并用羔羊的血洗净的方式。
As I grew older, I pretended to be sick, so I could stay home and read the funny papers, even though the grandmother said the devil was laughing at me when I ignored the church bells that rang from six blocks away.
随着年龄的增长，我假装生病，这样我就可以呆在家里阅读有趣的报纸，尽管祖母说当我忽视六个街区外教堂的钟声时，魔鬼在嘲笑我。
And of course, the civil rights issues of the '60s suddenly made me aware that there were no black people in our church, even though we had to drive through a poor, black neighborhood to get there.
当然，六十年代的民权问题突然让我意识到我们的教堂里没有黑人，尽管我们必须开车穿过一个贫穷的黑人社区才能到达那里。
[?
[？
Tuesie ?] brushed away my questions by telling me colored folks had their own way of worship, and that they wouldn't enjoy the quiet Park Place Baptist services.
Tuesie？] 告诉我有色人种有自己的崇拜方式，并且他们不会喜欢安静的公园广场浸信会服务，从而驳回了我的问题。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "SWING LOW, SWEET CHARIOT]
[音乐播放 - “低摆，甜蜜的战车]
Oh, yes.
哦，是的。
Carmen Delzell What are they singing?
卡门·德尔泽尔 他们在唱什么？
Swing low, sweet chariot, coming to carry me home.
低低摇摆，甜蜜的战车，来载我回家。
Do you like it, or do you not like it that much?
你喜欢它，还是不太喜欢它？
Why?
为什么？
Tuesie Well, I always thought it was just a bunch of black people having a picnic or something.
Tuesie 好吧，我一直以为这只是一群黑人去野餐什么的。
Damn, hell, and god, were words that could never be used in my grandparents' house, never.
该死的、地狱和上帝，这些词在我祖父母的家里永远不能使用，永远不能。
"Nigger," though, that was a word nobody seemed to mind.
不过，“黑鬼”似乎没人介意这个词。
The damn niggers were getting too big for their britches.
这些该死的黑鬼已经变得太大了。
They were getting sassy.
他们变得很时髦。
And worst of all, they wanted to sit next to you on the bus and at the Woolworth's lunch counter.
最糟糕的是，他们想在公交车上和伍尔沃斯的午餐柜台上坐在你旁边。
I heard this kind of talk my whole life from my grandmother, but it didn't begin to sink in until we couldn't go to Ocean View Amusement Park any more, because they said niggers went there.
我一生都从祖母那里听到这样的谈话，但直到我们不能再去海景游乐园了，我才开始理解它，因为他们说黑鬼去那里。
Meanwhile, my father, who thought [?
与此同时，我的父亲认为[？
Tuesie ?] was crazy as a bedbug and I was just like her, was running for school board on a platform of integration of the Beaumont, Texas, school system.
Tuesie？] 像臭虫一样疯狂，我和她一样，在德克萨斯州博蒙特学校系统整合的平台上竞选学校董事会成员。
He and my mother joined the Unitarian church, which, according to my grandmother, were a bunch of heathens.
他和我母亲加入了一神论教会，据我祖母说，该教会是一群异教徒。
And the tension between my two families became more apparent and terribly confusing for me.
我的两个家庭之间的紧张关系变得更加明显，让我感到非常困惑。
OK, well that is the story that you need to know before we could bring you this latest installment from Carmen's life.
好吧，在我们为您带来卡门生活的最新一期之前，这就是您需要了解的故事。
Carmen's now back in Texas.
卡门现在回到德克萨斯州了。
And she put this story together with radio producer Jay Allison.
她与电台制作人杰伊·艾利森一起讲述了这个故事。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "PINK PANTHER THEME" BY EZ MALONE]
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE 的“粉红豹主题”]
I play anything.
我什么都玩。
If I wanted to sit here and play "Batman."
如果我想坐在这里玩“蝙蝠侠”。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "BATMAN THEME" BY EZ MALONE]
[音乐播放 - EZ Malone 的“蝙蝠侠主题”]
If I wanted to sit here and play "Green Acres."
如果我想坐在这里玩“Green Acres”。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "GREEN ACRES THEME" BY EZ MALONE]
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE 的“GREEN ACRES 主题”]
You name it.
你说出它的名字。
If I wanted to sit here and play "The Beverly Hillbillies."
如果我想坐在这里演奏“贝弗利山人”。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES THEME" BY EZ MALONE]
[音乐播放 - EZ Malone 的“贝弗利山主题曲”]
Anything.
任何东西。
If I wanted to play "Gilligan's Island."
如果我想玩“吉利根岛”。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "GILLIGAN'S ISLAND THEME" BY EZ MALONE]
[音乐播放 - EZ Malone 的“吉利根岛主题曲”]
You just name it.
你只要说出它的名字就可以了。
I just play a variety of music.
我只是播放各种音乐。
That's EZ Malone from Currituck, North Carolina.
这是来自北卡罗来纳州柯里塔克的 EZ Malone。
My daughter and I were lucky enough to meet him in a junk store on our way home from my grandmother's funeral.
我和我的女儿很幸运，在祖母葬礼回家的路上在一家旧货店遇见了他。
EZ was looking for an electric frying pan.
EZ 正在寻找一款电煎锅。
We weren't looking for anything in particular, until he looked at us and said "Hah." And that's when I realized we'd been looking for him.
我们并没有寻找任何特别的东西，直到他看着我们说“哈”。就在那时我意识到我们一直在找他。
He said he'd been homeless a few years ago in New York City, until he met his girlfriend, Phyllis.
他说几年前他在纽约市无家可归，直到他遇到了他的女朋友菲利斯。
She got him to move back to North Carolina, and they brought along her brain-damaged sister, who laughs all the time.
她让他搬回北卡罗来纳州，他们还带来了她脑部受损的妹妹，她一直在笑。
And they all live together in a rented trailer.
他们都住在租来的拖车里。
It's not so clear how they make a living.
目前尚不清楚他们如何谋生。
Sometimes, EZ gets a gig at a place called Fishbone's, down the road in a town called Duck.
有时，EZ 会在一个叫 Fishbone's 的地方演出，就在路边一个叫 Duck 的小镇上。
He told us he could play the guitar his teeth and his feet.
他告诉我们他可以用牙齿和脚弹吉他。
But it was the way he talked that convinced us to invite him to my son's place for supper.
但正是他说话的方式说服了我们邀请他到我儿子家吃晚饭。
We never could have done if my grandmother was in the car.
如果我的祖母在车里，我们永远无法做到这一点。
She was afraid of black men.
她害怕黑人。
But since she was dead, I figured it was OK.
但既然她已经死了，我想这也没什么问题。
Now I'll tell you, it all started in church, when I used to go to church with my father years ago.
现在我告诉你，这一切都始于教堂，几年前我经常和父亲一起去教堂。
He was a minister, by the way.
顺便说一句，他是一名部长。
So when I was just a lad, my father told me, he said, "I'm going to buy you a guitar." And being so young, I took it for a joke.
所以当我还是个小伙子的时候，我父亲告诉我，他说：“我要给你买一把吉他。”当时我还太小，就把这当作一个玩笑。
Time passed, and he actually bought me a guitar.
时间流逝，他竟然给我买了一把吉他。
So there I was, late at night, all times of night, just bamming on the guitar.
所以我就在那里，深夜，整夜，只是敲着吉他。
I wasn't making no sense with the thing, just--
我并不是对这件事毫无意义，只是——
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone --beating and bamming on it.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone ——敲打它。
Wasn't getting nothing out of it.
并没有从中得到什么。
And I said to him, I said, I wants to get so I can help you out.
我对他说，我说，我想要得到这样我可以帮助你。
And I'm going to learn this thing through the help of the Lord.
我将通过主的帮助来学习这件事。
So there I was, upstairs in the room, just bamming on the guitar, trying to learn, day and night.
于是我就在楼上的房间里，日日夜夜地敲着吉他，努力学习。
And he encouraged me when he told me.
当他告诉我时，他鼓励了我。
He said, "When you learn how to play just three chords," sort of thing, "I'm going to take you to church and let you play," because I love going to church even now.
他说，“当你学会如何弹奏三个和弦时，”之类的话，“我会带你去教堂，让你弹奏，”因为即使现在我也喜欢去教堂。
So there I was in my bedroom, alone, sitting on my bed.
于是我就在卧室里，独自坐在床上。
And I was just a child.
而我还只是个孩子。
And I told Jesus.
我告诉耶稣。
I said, "Lord," I said, "I want to play this thing to help my daddy out, because he's preaching your word.
我说：“主啊，”我说，“我想玩这个东西来帮助我的爸爸，因为他正在宣扬你的话语。
And he needs somebody to go with him." And all of a sudden out of nowhere, the Lord spoke to me in a solid voice from the inside.
他需要有人和他一起去。”突然之间，主从内心用坚定的声音对我说话。
And he showed me this chord here, the E chord.
他给我看了这个和弦，E 和弦。
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone The Lord showed me.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 主向我展示了。
Never been to school for it.
从来没有为此上过学。
And I went downstairs, and I ran down there and showed it to my daddy.
我下了楼，跑到那里把它拿给我爸爸看。
I said, "Dad, I believe I'm ready to play in church." And he'd say, "Well, let me hear what you sound like." And I didn't have but that one chord.
我说：“爸爸，我相信我已经准备好去教堂演奏了。”他会说：“好吧，让我听听你的声音。”而我除了那一个和弦之外什么也没有。
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone And he said, "Well, get two more chords, and I will take you to church.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 他说：“好吧，再找两个和弦，我会带你去教堂。
Learn two more notes, And I will take you to church." Oh, that excited me.
再学两个音符，我就带你去教堂。”哦，这让我很兴奋。
So I ran back upstairs in my bedroom.
于是我跑回楼上的卧室。
And I told God, I said, "Lord, I need two more chords, just two more chords." And the Lord showed me the A.
我告诉上帝，我说：“主啊，我还需要两个和弦，只是再两个和弦。”主向我展示了 A。
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone Then he showed me the B.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 然后他给我看了 B。
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone Then I had three chords.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 然后我有三个和弦。
And I rushed downstairs.
然后我就冲下楼了。
I could not get down there fast enough and show him the three chords I'd learned.
我无法足够快地到达那里并向他展示我学到的三个和弦。
I ran up to him.
我跑向他。
I said, "Dad, listen to his."
我说：“爸爸，听他的。”
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone He said, "That's good.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 他说：“那很好。
Show me another one." I said--
再给我看一张。”我说——
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone He said, "That's good." He said, "Do you got one more?" I said--
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 他说：“那很好。”他说：“你还有一张吗？”我说——
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone So I went on like that there.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 所以我就这样继续下去。
And he took me to church and got me in front of a crowd of people.
他带我去教堂，让我站在一群人面前。
And it was so crowded in there, and I was so nervous, I couldn't hardly hold my legs still from shaking.
那里太拥挤了，我太紧张了，我的腿几乎无法保持不动，以免颤抖。
And he said to the church, he said, "My son is going to make the guitar say 'Jesus.'"
他对教堂说，“我的儿子会让吉他唱出‘耶稣’。”
Now I looked at my mother.
现在我看着我的母亲。
And I said, "Excuse me, mama.
我说：“对不起，妈妈。
I need to talk to you." And she said, "What is it?" I said, "Well, now, which son is he talking about?" She said, "Son, you know he's talking about you."
我需要和你谈谈。”她说，“什么事？”我说，“那么，现在，他在说哪个儿子？”她说，“儿子，你知道他在说你。”
I said, "Well, I can't make no guitar call 'Jesus,' you know?" She said, "Well, you know your dad don't play.
我说：“好吧，我不能用吉他呼唤‘耶稣’，你知道吗？”她说：“好吧，你知道你爸爸不打球。
So when you actually do it, you better learn something."
所以当你真正去做的时候，你最好学到一些东西。”
Get out there and hit the guitar, he hollared off.
出去弹吉他，他大声喊道。
And like I said, being a minister, he would sing a song before he'd preach.
就像我说的，作为一名牧师，他在讲道之前会唱一首歌。
And he said, "My son is going to make the guitar say Jesus." He said, "When I say 'Jesus," my son is going to make the guitar say 'Jesus.'" So he hauled off and looked at me.
他说：“我儿子会让吉他唱出耶稣的声音。”他说，“当我说‘耶稣’时，我儿子会让吉他说‘耶稣’。”于是他离开并看着我。
And he said, "Jesus." And I said--
他说：“耶稣。”我说——
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone And he stooped down before me and said, "Excuse me.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 他在我面前弯下腰说：“对不起。
You want me to take that guitar from you?" I said, "No, sir." He said, "I'm going to say it again.
你想让我把你的吉他拿走吗？”我说：“不，先生。”他说：“我再说一遍。
If you don't make it say Jesus, I'm going to take it from you." So he hollered off, man.
如果你不让它说耶稣，我就把它从你手中夺走。”所以他大喊一声，伙计。
He's scary, I'm telling you.
他很可怕，我告诉你。
And he said, "Jesus." And I said--
他说：“耶稣。”我说——
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone He said, "Excuse me, church," and leaned down to me like this.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 他说：“对不起，教堂，”然后像这样向我倾身。
"You want me to whip your tail?" I said, "No, sir.
“你想让我抽你的尾巴吗？”我说：“不，先生。
I don't want you to whip me tail.
我不想让你鞭打我的尾巴。
Please don't whip me.
请不要鞭打我。
Please." Because when my father says he will whip you, he will whip you.
请。”因为当我父亲说他要鞭打你时，他就会鞭打你。
So I said, "Say it one more time.
于是我说：“再说一遍。
And I'm going to try to get it out this time." And he said it the third time.
这次我会尽力把它弄出来。”他已经说了第三次了。
And when he said "Jesus," it came out of nowhere.
当他说“耶稣”时，它不知从何而来。
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone Like that there.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 就像那样。
And then he said, "I believe he can do a little bit better than that." I said, "No, I can't.
然后他说：“我相信他可以做得更好一点。”我说：“不，我不能。
I don't even know how I've done that," right?
我什至不知道我是怎么做到的，”对吧？
So he hollered off again.
于是他又大喊一声。
He said, "Jesus." And the next thing I remember,
他说：“耶稣。”接下来我记得的是
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone And that's how I learned to play.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ez Malone 这就是我学习演奏的方式。
I learned through the miracle of Jesus Christ, and I learned through the fear for my father.
我通过耶稣基督的奇迹学到了教训，我通过对父亲的恐惧学到了教训。
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Carmen Delzell EZ played the guitar with my son for the rest of the night while the women talked and laughed in the kitchen.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] 整个晚上，Carmen Delzell EZ 和我儿子一起弹吉他，而女人们则在厨房里有说有笑。
I couldn't help wondering if my grandmother had heard EZ's story.
我不禁想知道我的祖母是否听说过EZ的故事。
It's funny how Jesus was so important to both of them.
有趣的是，耶稣对他们俩如此重要。
But she always told me when I was little that there were two heavens, one for black people and one for white.
但小时候她总是告诉我，世界上有两个天堂，一个是黑人的天堂，一个是白人的天堂。
I don't think so.
我不这么认为。
[MUSIC PLAYING - EZ MALONE] Ira Glass Carmen Delzell's story was produced by Jay Allison.
[音乐播放 - EZ MALONE] Ira Glass Carmen Delzell 的故事由 Jay Allison 制作。
It comes from Jay's ongoing series, Life Stories, which is produced with consulting producer Christina Egloff with funds from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the National Endowment for the Arts.
它来自杰伊正在制作的系列节目《生活故事》，该系列节目由咨询制片人克里斯蒂娜·埃格洛夫制作，资金来自公共广播公司和国家艺术基金会。
Our program was produced today by Alix Speigel and myself with Peter Clowney and Nancy Updike, contributing editors Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, and Margy Rochlin.
今天我们的节目由我和阿利克斯·斯皮格尔、彼得·克劳尼和南希·厄普代克、特约编辑保罗·托夫、杰克·希特和玛吉·罗克林共同制作。
[ACKNOWLEDGMENTS] If you want a copy of this program, it costs $10.
[致谢] 如果您想要一份该程序的副本，价格为 10 美元。
Call us at WBEZ in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
请致电芝加哥 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 监督。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。