345: Ties That Bind - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass There are so many ways for friendships to fall apart.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 友谊破裂的方式有很多种。
You move to different cities, you fall in love with somebody who your friend doesn't get, you have kids, you don't see each other as much.
你搬到了不同的城市，你爱上了一个你的朋友没有得到的人，你有了孩子，你们见面的次数减少了。
So that finally when you do see each other, it's not as comfortable.
所以当你们最终见面时，感觉就不那么舒服了。
And you both sit there trying to make conversation, and you both wonder in your heads quietly, are we really friends?
你们都坐在那里试图交谈，你们都在心里默默地想，我们真的是朋友吗？
What do we have in common again?
我们又有什么共同点了？
And then you try to talk about all the stuff that you used to talk about when you were closer.
然后你尝试谈论你们关系亲密时经常谈论的所有事情。
And you feel like, oh, this is just going through the motions.
你会觉得，哦，这只是走走过场。
And then, finally, it's time to go.
然后，最后，是时候离开了。
And you say to each other, oh, let's do this again soon.
你们互相说，哦，我们很快再做一次吧。
And you don't even know what to think when you get home.
当你回到家时，你甚至不知道该怎么想。
And usually it takes years to get to this point.
通常需要数年时间才能达到这一点。
You at least get in a few good years together.
你们至少可以一起度过几年美好时光。
It isn't that way from the start.
从一开始就不是这样的。
If you had met each other in Russia, what would have happened?
如果你们在俄罗斯相遇，会发生什么？
Maybe if we will meet in some party, we'll just say hi.
也许如果我们在某个聚会上见面，我们只会打个招呼。
That's it.
就是这样。
Yeah, that will be it.
是的，就是这样。
Ira Glass Katya and Alla moved to America from Russia within a few months of each other to small towns near Flint, Michigan.
艾拉·格拉斯·卡蒂亚 (Ira Glass Katya) 和阿拉 (Alla) 在几个月内相继从俄罗斯搬到美国密歇根州弗林特附近的小镇。
Katya's sister-in-law invited them both to a party, hoping they'd meet, figuring, hey, they're both from Russia.
卡蒂亚的嫂子邀请他们俩参加一个聚会，希望他们能见面，心想，嘿，他们都来自俄罗斯。
Maybe they'll hit it off.
也许他们会一拍即合。
But no. Here's Alla.
但没有。这是阿拉。
We tried to speak a little bit, but we did not have anything to say to each other.
我们试图说话，但彼此无话可说。
In the beginning, yeah.
一开始，是的。
Ira Glass So boring, so awkward, they didn't speak again for five months.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：太无聊了，太尴尬了，他们五个月没有再说话了。
But by then, both of them were so exhausted from trying to speak English all the time, they decided, hey, give it another shot.
但到那时，他们俩都因为一直试图说英语而精疲力竭，他们决定，嘿，再试一次。
So they got together every week or so, which unfolded like a very long series of bad blind dates between people with no natural chemistry in Russian.
所以他们大约每周都会聚在一起，这就像一系列俄语中没有天然化学反应的人之间的一系列糟糕的相亲一样。
Here's Katya.
这是卡蒂亚。
I just wanted to speak my language.
我只想说我的语言。
Just to relax my brain, sit comfortably, and talk in Russian.
只是为了放松我的大脑，舒服地坐着，用俄语交谈。
But the more I talked to her, I was like, oh, my God, am I going to be friends with this girl ever?
但我和她聊得越多，我就想，哦，天哪，我会和这个女孩成为朋友吗？
Is it possible?
是否可以？
Their opinions on so many things made no sense to each other.
他们对很多事情的看法彼此毫无意义。
Katya thinks of herself as a cynical person.
卡蒂亚认为自己是一个愤世嫉俗的人。
Her sense of humor can be a little mean.
她的幽默感可能有点刻薄。
Alla's not so judgmental.
阿拉并不那么挑剔。
She reads spiritual books, spends time with her kid.
她阅读精神书籍，花时间陪伴孩子。
As Katya says, they're very different.
正如卡蒂亚所说，它们非常不同。
Everything's different.
一切都不一样了。
Everything's different in our lives.
我们生活中的一切都不同了。
Like, I don't have children.
比如，我没有孩子。
She does.
她做到了。
And back in Russia, she was a teacher.
回到俄罗斯后，她是一名教师。
And I was a doctor.
我是一名医生。
Different age.
年龄不同。
Katya Difference in age.
卡蒂亚 年龄差异。
How much we got paid back in Russia.
我们在俄罗斯得到了多少钱。
My husband is not so rich.
我丈夫没那么富有。
And I did not work.
而我没有工作。
I did not have my own money.
我没有自己的钱。
And my husband could not allow me much money to spend with my friends, go to restaurants, go to fitness club.
我的丈夫不允许我花太多钱和朋友一起去餐馆、去健身俱乐部。
And I feel uncomfortable because Katya's husband gave her as much money as she needs.
我感到不舒服，因为卡佳的丈夫给了她需要的钱。
And so--
所以——
Not yet.
还没有。
Ira Glass Did you just say, "not yet?"
Ira Glass 你刚才是不是说“还没有？”
Not yet, yes.
还没有，是的。
Ira Glass Now, as you can probably hear, after hanging out regularly for two years, they've gotten used to each other.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：现在，正如你可能听到的那样，在定期出去玩了两年之后，他们已经习惯了彼此。
Now they know more people in common.
现在他们认识了更多的共同点。
And those people provide a steady topic of conversation.
这些人提供了稳定的话题。
And their feelings about each other have changed, some.
他们对彼此的感觉也发生了一些变化。
At the beginning, did you think of yourselves as real friends?
一开始，你们把自己当成真正的朋友吗？
Are you real friends now?
你们现在是真正的朋友了吗？
Katya Can you describe how do you understand, Ira?
Katya 你能描述一下你是如何理解的吗，Ira？
A real friend is somebody who you are comfortable with, who you would say real things to.
真正的朋友是一个让你感到舒服、愿意对他说实话的人。
I think Katya is a very good friend for me.
我认为卡蒂亚对我来说是一个很好的朋友。
And I am very comfortable with her right now.
我现在和她在一起很舒服。
I think that with Alla, I'm getting there, step by step.
我认为有了 Alla，我正在一步一步地实现这一目标。
It takes a longer time for me to get used to her.
我需要更长的时间才能适应她。
Yes, but sometimes if I do not call you one week, you will call back and ask, why do you not call me?
是的，但有时候，如果我一个星期没有给你打电话，你就会回电问，为什么不给我打电话？
I do not hear you one week already!
我已经有一个星期没有听到你的声音了！
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life , distributed by Public Radio International.
好吧，这是芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, The Ties That Bind, stories of friendships that somehow keep existing for reasons that are not always so clear to anybody.
今天的节目《束缚的纽带》讲述了友谊的故事，这些友谊以某种方式持续存在，其原因并不总是对任何人都那么清楚。
And, in fact, one or more people of the people in the friendship wonder if it's a real friendship.
事实上，友谊中的一个或多个人想知道这是否是真正的友谊。
I was just going to say, is there a name for this particular kind of friend?
我只是想说，这种朋友有名字吗？
Do we have a word for that kind of friend?
我们有一个词来形容这样的朋友吗？
And we do.
我们确实这么做了。
That word is friend.
这个词就是朋友。
Our show today in four acts.
我们今天的演出分四幕。
Act One, Fred and Barney.
第一幕，弗雷德和巴尼。
In that act, an inside look at a long, troubled relationship in the town of Bedrock.
在那一幕中，我们深入了解了贝德罗克镇一段长期、陷入困境的关系。
Act Two, Lucas and Sarah.
第二幕，卢卡斯和莎拉。
Two families get friendly because of their kids, though it's a friendship, I think, neither family would have wanted, actually.
两个家庭因为他们的孩子而变得友好，尽管我认为这是一种友谊，实际上两个家庭都不会想要。
Act Three, Lucy and the Bike Girl, two friends who are supposed to stay apart no matter what.
第三幕，露西和自行车女孩，这两个无论如何都应该分开的朋友。
Act Four, David and Andi.
第四幕，大卫和安迪。
A casual comment between strangers turns into something much, much bigger.
陌生人之间的随意评论会变成非常非常大的事情。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Fred and Barney.
第一幕，弗雷德和巴尼。
This first story comes from Jonathan Goldstein and David Rakoff.
第一个故事来自乔纳森·戈德斯坦和大卫·拉科夫。
As we all know, back before the Iron Age and the Bronze Age, back in the Stone Age, as primitive as the conditions were back then, cavemen did have answering machines.
众所周知，早在铁器时代、青铜器时代之前，早在石器时代，尽管当时的条件很原始，穴居人确实有答录机。
And friendships were just as complicated as they are today.
友谊和今天一样复杂。
You have reached the answering machine of Fred and Wilma Flintstone.
您已接通 Fred 和 Wilma Flintstone 的答录机。
Please leave us a message after the beep.
请在“嘟”声后给我们留言。
[BEEP] Jonathan Goldstein Hey Fred, it's Barney.
[BEEP] 乔纳森·戈德斯坦 嘿弗雷德，我是巴尼。
Fred, I, um-- listen, I don't know how to even tell you this, but I was pulling out of the driveway, and I accidentally ran over Dino.
弗雷德，我，呃——听着，我什至不知道如何告诉你这个，但我把车驶出车道时，不小心撞到了迪诺。
He's dead, Fred.
他死了，弗雷德。
I'm really, really, really sorry.
我真的非常非常非常抱歉。
I-- he was sleeping on our driveway behind the car.
我——他正在车后面我们的车道上睡觉。
I just backed up over him.
我只是支持他。
I didn't see him or anything.
我没有看到他或任何东西。
I hate to be leaving something like this on your answering machine.
我讨厌在你的答录机上留下这样的东西。
The thing is, Betty and I have to get to the airport because we're supposed to make our flight to Rock-apulco.
问题是，贝蒂和我必须去机场，因为我们要搭乘飞往罗克阿普尔科的航班。
I don't know what to do.
我不知道该怎么办。
I almost canceled the trip.
我差点就取消了这次旅行。
But everything's booked.
但一切都被预订了。
And Betty's been really, really looking forward to it for so long.
贝蒂真的真的期待了这么久。
Honestly, I don't know what to do.
老实说，我不知道该怎么办。
I'll try calling you as soon as the plane lands, OK?
飞机一落地我就试着给你打电话，好吗？
I'm sorry, Fred.
对不起，弗雷德。
I thought you had it.
我以为你有它。
Jonathan Goldstein I thought you had it.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 我以为你已经做到了。
Oh no. Both Better just leave us a message.
哦不。最好给我们留言。
Uh, hi Barney.
呃，嗨巴尼。
It's Fred.
是弗雷德。
I'm just-- I don't know.
我只是——我不知道。
I'm sad and stunned and-- I don't know.
我感到悲伤和震惊——我不知道。
I guess you're still on the flight to Rock-apulco.
我猜你还在飞往罗克阿普尔科的航班上。
Call me when you land.
落地后给我打电话。
[PHONE RINGING] Jonathan Goldstein This is Barney.
[电话铃声] 乔纳森·戈德斯坦 这是巴尼。
I thought you had it.
我以为你有它。
Jonathan Goldstein I thought you had it.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 我以为你已经做到了。
Oh no. Both Better just leave us a message.
哦不。最好给我们留言。
Hi, it's Fred again.
嗨，又是弗雷德。
Still no word from you.
仍然没有你的消息。
And by my calculations, you should have landed by now.
根据我的计算，你现在应该已经着陆了。
Just try to give a call, OK?
试着打个电话，好吗？
[PHONE RINGING] Jonathan Goldstein This is Barney.
[电话铃声] 乔纳森·戈德斯坦 这是巴尼。
Hi Barney.
嗨巴尼。
I don't know if you remember me.
我不知道你是否还记得我。
We were best friends, and then you killed my dinosaur.
我们是最好的朋友，然后你杀了我的恐龙。
Let's see, when was that?
让我们看看，那是什么时候？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
This morning.
今晨。
I can tell you're broken up about it because you've tried to call me zero times.
我可以看出你已经分手了，因为你尝试给我打电话的次数为零。
[BEEP] Jonathan Goldstein Fred, I just got off the plane this second, and I just got all your messages.
[BEEP] 乔纳森·戈德斯坦·弗雷德，我刚刚下飞机，我刚刚收到了你所有的消息。
Don't ask what we just went through.
别问我们刚刚经历了什么
Anyway, the pterodactyl that flew us here broke a wing, and I pretty much thought that was it.
不管怎样，带我们飞到这里的翼龙折断了一只翅膀，我几乎以为就是这样了。
Fred, I saw my whole life pass before my eyes.
弗雷德，我看到我的一生在我眼前流逝。
And there was plenty of me and you in there.
那里有很多我和你。
Do you remember the time you hypnotized me into thinking I was a puppy?
你还记得你催眠我让我以为我是一只小狗的那次吗？
I could just go on and on.
我可以继续说下去。
I feel just awful, but what the hell can I do?
我感觉很糟糕，但我到底能做什么呢？
I mean, do you want me to slit Hop-a-Roo's throat?
我是说，你想让我割断跳袋鼠的喉咙吗？
Would that make you feel better?
这会让你感觉好一点吗？
If I murdered my kid's kangaroo?
如果我谋杀了我孩子的袋鼠呢？
I mean, not to minimize your pain or anything, but it is only a dinosaur.
我的意思是，并不是为了减轻你的痛苦或其他什么，但它只是一只恐龙。
You realize that, right?
你意识到了，对吧？
I'm sorry.
对不起。
That was stupid.
那太愚蠢了。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
Look, I'm just freaked out.
瞧，我只是吓坏了。
Listen, when you get a chance, just try me back on my cell.
听着，当你有机会时，请用我的手机试试。
It seems to be working here.
它似乎在这里工作。
OK, bye pal.
好的，再见，朋友。
[BEEP] David Rakoff God, Barney, I am so, so sorry.
[BEEP] David Rakoff 天哪，巴尼，我非常非常抱歉。
I had no idea you had plane trouble.
我不知道你的飞机出问题了
Wow.
哇。
Funny, while you were leaving me that message, I was actually on the other line with Raptor Air, and they had no record of wing problems on the Bedrock/Rock-apulco flight.
有趣的是，当你给我留言时，我实际上正在与猛禽航空通话，他们在基岩/岩石-阿普尔科航班上没有机翼问题的记录。
But I mean, what do they know?
但我的意思是，他们知道什么？
They're just the airline, right?
他们只是航空公司，对吧？
It's probably just a cover up so there are no lawsuits.
这可能只是一种掩盖，所以没有诉讼。
Man, you must have been so shaken up.
伙计，你一定很震惊。
And still, you managed to call me the minute you got off the plane.
尽管如此，你一下飞机就给我打电话了。
And got through customs.
并且顺利通过海关。
And rented a car.
并租了一辆车。
And drove to the resort.
并驱车前往度假村。
And checked in.
并登记入住。
There are no accidents.
没有发生任何事故。
Think about that when you're trying to explain how a pipsqueak could even get his foreign compact car to run all the way over a nearly full-grown dinosaur, let alone kill it.
想一想，当你试图解释一个小家伙如何让他的外国紧凑型汽车一路碾过一只几乎成年的恐龙时，更不用说杀死它了。
I mean, how many times did you have to back up over Dino?
我的意思是，你需要支持迪诺多少次？
And no, I don't want you to murder your kid's kangaroo.
不，我不想让你谋杀你孩子的袋鼠。
If anything, that privilege should fall to me.
如果有的话，这个特权应该属于我。
So I will just leave you with this one thought.
所以我只想留给你们一个想法。
Why don't you ask Betty why it took her so long for her and me to get those bronco burger buns at the grocery store two Sundays ago?
你为什么不问问贝蒂，为什么她和我两个星期天前才在杂货店买了那些野马汉堡面包呢？
Go on, just ask her.
去吧，问问她就行了。
Have fun.
玩得开心。
[BEEP] Jonathan Goldstein Stony Curtis made out with Wilma.
[BEEP] 乔纳森·戈德斯坦·斯托尼·柯蒂斯与威尔玛亲热。
You think I'm lying?
你认为我在撒谎吗？
Remember when we were visiting the set of Slave Boy and we heard her screaming in ecstasy from inside the trailer?
还记得当我们参观《奴隶男孩》的片场时，我们听到她在预告片里狂喜地尖叫吗？
And how after you asked her what was going on in there, and she said she had accidentally sat on a porcupine quill?
当你问她那里发生了什么事，她说她不小心坐在豪猪羽毛上之后，情况又如何呢？
And she and Stony started laughing?
她和斯托尼开始大笑？
What the hell do you think they were laughing about, you poor, ignorant, fat boob?
你以为他们到底在笑什么，你这个可怜的、无知的、胖乎乎的家伙？
And as far as your disgusting, disgusting insinuation about my wife, let me tell you something, Fred.
至于你对我妻子的令人厌恶的、令人厌恶的暗示，让我告诉你一件事，弗雷德。
Betty has never liked you.
贝蒂从来没有喜欢过你。
She's only ever tolerated you out of respect to me, and out of love for Wilma.
她只是出于对我的尊重和对威尔玛的爱而容忍你。
I'm the only friend you have, Fred.
我是你唯一的朋友，弗雷德。
And I'd always tell people, "aw, Fred, he's all right.
我总是告诉人们，“哦，弗雷德，他没事。
He doesn't mean all the mean things he says.
他所说的那些刻薄话并不是真心的。
That's his bluster.
这就是他的咆哮。
Underneath it all, he's got a really good heart." Bull crap.
在这一切的背后，他有一颗非常善良的心。”牛屎。
I was a sucker, Fred.
我是个傻瓜，弗雷德。
[BEEP] David Rakoff Oh, boy, are you deluded.
[BEEP] David Rakoff 哦，孩子，你被迷惑了吗？
Wilma doesn't need Stony Curtis.
威尔玛不需要斯托尼·柯蒂斯。
Some wives are actually happy with their husbands.
有些妻子实际上对她们的丈夫很满意。
"Screams of ecstasy." You need to have your ears checked, buddy.
“狂喜的尖叫声。”你需要检查一下你的耳朵，伙计。
Because they must have been playing tricks on you.
因为他们一定是在捉弄你。
So as a favor to you, for future reference, I'm going to give you an abject lesson in what screaming in ecstasy sounds like, OK?
因此，作为对您的帮助，为了将来的参考，我将给您一个卑鄙的教训，让您了解狂喜中的尖叫听起来是什么样子，好吗？
OK, I'm out my door.
好的，我出门了。
I'm walking to your house.
我正步行去你家。
It's chilly out tonight.
今晚外面很冷。
I'm getting the key from under the tortoise out front.
我正在从前面的乌龟下面拿到钥匙。
I'm walking inside your house.
我正走进你的房子。
Opening the closet to get out your driving iron from your golf bag.
打开壁橱，从高尔夫球包中取出击球铁杆。
Where should I go?
我应该去哪里？
Let's see.
让我们来看看。
How about that case of bowling trophies?
那保龄球奖杯的情况怎么样？
[SOUNDS OF DESTRUCTION] Oh, yeah.
[破坏的声音]哦，是的。
That feels good.
感觉很好。
Oh, yeah!
哦，是啊！
Bam!
嘭！
Woo!
哇！
Yeah!
是的！
Do you hear me, Barn?
你听到我说话了吗，巴恩？
This is what ecstasy sounds like.
这就是狂喜听起来的样子。
Do you like it?
你喜欢它？
[PHONE RINGING] Jonathan Goldstein You have reached the home of the Rubbles.
[电话铃声] 乔纳森·戈尔茨坦 您已到达瓦砾之家。
Come here, Bamm-Bamm.
到这里来，嘭嘭。
Say hi to the nice people.
向好人打个招呼。
[BAMM-BAMM SPEAKING NONSENSE] Both Please leave a message.
[咩咩胡说八道] 两位请留言。
Fred, get the hell out of my house.
弗雷德，滚出我的房子。
Do you hear me, Fred?
你听到我说话了吗，弗雷德？
Pick it up, you sick SOB.
拿起它，你这个恶心的混蛋。
Pick it up, you sick son of a-- [MICROPHONE FEEDBACK] Hey, Fred?
接起来，你这个病态的儿子——[麦克风反馈]嘿，弗雷德？
Well, sit down.
好吧，坐下吧。
Where are you?
你在哪里？
The living room?
客厅？
Yeah.
是的。
Jonathan Goldstein Lean forward and keep your head down.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 (Jonathan Goldstein) 身体前倾，低着头。
OK.
好的。
Jonathan Goldstein Did you eat today?
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 今天你吃饭了吗？
I can't remember.
我不记得了。
Maybe.
或许。
Jonathan Goldstein Well, that's probably why you're dizzy.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦：嗯，这可能就是你头晕的原因。
I think Betty left some food in the fridge.
我想贝蒂在冰箱里留了一些食物。
OK.
好的。
One sec.
一秒钟。
I don't know what it was, this-- is this lasagna?
我不知道那是什么，这是——这是烤宽面条吗？
It looks like lasagna.
它看起来像烤宽面条。
What was this?
这是什么？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
That was good.
那很好。
Have some of that.
喝一些吧。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
They've got a really nice buffet here.
他们这里有非常美味的自助餐。
Very nice fruit.
非常好的水果。
Oh, it's right off the tree.
哦，它就在树上。
David Rakoff Nice.
大卫·拉考夫 尼斯。
Yeah.
是的。
Fred, I'm really sorry about Dino.
弗雷德，我对迪诺的事感到非常抱歉。
I know you are.
我知道你是。
I'm sorry about-- with Betty.
我对贝蒂感到抱歉。
Yeah, I have some stuff I need to deal with.
是的，我有一些事情需要处理。
That's kind of why we were taking this trip.
这就是我们这次旅行的原因。
You wake up one day.
有一天你醒来。
And you're like a stranger to yourself, you know?
而你对自己来说就像一个陌生人，你知道吗？
I don't know who I am anymore.
我不知道我是谁了。
I can't be a husband to my wife.
我不能成为我妻子的丈夫。
And I have a son who's disturbingly aggressive.
我有一个儿子，他的攻击性令人不安。
Oh, no, no, Barn, I mean, Bamm-Bamm's OK.
哦，不，不，巴恩，我是说，Bamm-Bamm 没问题。
No, he's not, Fred.
不，他不是，弗雷德。
He's awful.
他太糟糕了。
He's just so violent.
他就是这么暴力。
He breaks everything.
他打破了一切。
And I can't make Betty happy.
我也不能让贝蒂开心。
This morning, I was standing in the ocean.
今天早上，我站在大海里。
And it was just a really, really beautiful day.
这真是非常非常美好的一天。
But all I could think, as I was standing there in the ocean, was just, keep walking, Barney.
但当我站在大海中时，我所能想到的就是，继续走，巴尼。
Walk out to sea and never come back.
出海就再也回不来了。
No one will miss you.
没有人会想念你。
Hey!
嘿！
Hey, don't talk about my little buddy that way.
嘿，别这样谈论我的小伙伴。
It would destroy Betty.
它会毁了贝蒂。
I mean, it would destroy her.
我的意思是，这会毁了她。
I would miss you.
我会想念你的。
You would?
你会吗？
David Rakoff Of course I would.
大卫·拉考夫 我当然愿意。
I wouldn't know what to do with myself.
我不知道自己该怎么办。
You think I'm a rage-aholic now.
你认为我现在是个愤怒狂。
Hey, while you're in the house, can you make sure I put out a dish of water for the pelican trash can?
嘿，你在家里的时候，能帮我给鹈鹕垃圾桶放一盘水吗？
I hate when you get home and you find them sucking at the pipes under the sink.
我讨厌当你回到家时发现它们在吮吸水槽下的管道。
It makes coming home so sad.
这让回家变得如此悲伤。
You ever get that thing where you come home after being away for a while, and your own house smells all weird?
你是否有过这样的经历：离开一段时间回到家，你自己的房子闻起来很奇怪？
Like, you can actually smell what it really smells like because you're not used to it anymore?
就像，你实际上可以闻到它真正的味道，因为你不再习惯了？
Yeah, I know what you mean.
是的，我知道你的意思。
David Rakoff Listen, have a good time.
大卫·拉考夫 听着，祝你玩得开心。
Don't get all depressed.
别让一切都变得沮丧。
Listen, you don't get all depressed, too, with all this blowhard stuff.
听着，你也不会因为这些吹牛的东西而感到沮丧。
My best buddy isn't any blowhard, OK?
我最好的朋友不是个吹牛的人，好吗？
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
Jonathan Goldstein Listen, when I get home, things will get back to normal.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 听着，当我回到家时，一切都会恢复正常。
We'll sit down and we'll play a hand of bridge with the girls.
我们坐下来和女孩们打一手桥牌。
And it'll be like it always is.
一切都会像往常一样。
Yeah, sure, Barn.
是的，当然，巴恩。
Jonathan Goldstein And I'll bring back some of that famous Rock-apulco honeydew.
乔纳森·戈尔茨坦：我会带回一些著名的洛克阿普尔科蜜露。
And it'll be great.
这会很棒。
David Rock-off as Fred, and before him, Jonathan Gold-stone as Barney.
大卫·罗克奥夫饰演弗雷德，在他之前，乔纳森·戈德斯通饰演巴尼。
And as Betty, Wendy Dorr, whose name is weirdly impervious to stone and rock punnage.
饰演贝蒂的是温迪·多尔，她的名字奇怪地不受石头和岩石双关语的影响。
She also produced this story, a version of which is also run on Jonathan's radio show WireTap, which is heard on the CBC and on some public radio stations here in our country as well.
她还制作了这个故事，该故事的一个版本也在乔纳森的广播节目 WireTap 上播出，加拿大广播公司 (CBC) 和我国的一些公共广播电台也可以收听该节目。
Act Two, Lucas and Sarah.
第二幕，卢卡斯和莎拉。
Sometimes you have just one thing in common with somebody else, and then you have to figure out if that connection means anything more, if you're supposed to be friends or something.
有时你和别人只有一件事共同点，然后你必须弄清楚这种联系是否还有更多意义，是否应该成为朋友或其他什么。
And it's especially hard to figure out if you feel obligated to the other person in some way.
尤其很难弄清楚你是否在某种程度上对对方有义务。
Jill Wolfson has this story.
吉尔·沃尔夫森有这样一个故事。
For a lot of her childhood, Sarah knew there was something wrong with her.
在莎拉童年的大部分时间里，她都知道自己出了问题。
Ordinary kid games would leave her exhausted and panting for breath.
普通的儿童游戏会让她精疲力尽、气喘吁吁。
In one year, when she was eight, she went to the doctor 14 times.
在她八岁的一年里，她去看了14次医生。
Then, when Sarah finished fifth grade, her heart failed.
然后，当莎拉读完五年级时，她的心脏衰竭了。
She needed a transplant.
她需要移植。
She was 11.
她11岁。
In the hospital, she had to stay flat on her back to prevent a stroke.
在医院里，她必须平躺以防止中风。
To keep her weight as low as possible, she was fed intravenously.
为了尽可能降低体重，她接受静脉注射。
She had to pass up two hearts that became available because both times she was fighting off infection.
她不得不放弃两颗可用的心脏，因为这两次她都在对抗感染。
Hundreds of people die waiting for a heart each year, and someone Sarah's age typically waits months and months, if they're lucky enough to even get one.
每年都有数百人在等待一颗心脏的过程中死去，像莎拉这样年纪的人通常要等待数月，如果他们足够幸运的话甚至可以得到一颗心脏。
But Sarah didn't have that kind of time.
但莎拉没有那样的时间。
Her kidneys were also shutting down.
她的肾脏也开始衰竭。
And then, some news.
然后，一些消息。
It was a Friday night.
那是一个星期五的晚上。
And I was really hungry.
我真的很饿。
And they had just started letting me eat again, because I was being fed intravenously.
他们刚刚开始让我再次进食，因为我正在接受静脉注射。
And then my tray was in the room.
然后我的托盘就在房间里了。
And my dad was sitting with me.
我爸爸和我坐在一起。
And all of a sudden, I was really excited I was going to eat.
突然间，我真的很兴奋，我要吃饭了。
And then, they came in and took the tray out.
然后，他们进来并把托盘拿出来。
And I was really upset.
我真的很沮丧。
I was like, Dad go find out why they took the tray out.
我当时想，爸爸去看看他们为什么把托盘拿出来。
I don't understand.
我不明白。
I'm really hungry.
我真的很饿。
And so he goes [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
于是他就走了[无法理解]。
And they tell him that there's a heart.
他们告诉他有一颗心。
Sarah's mom, Laura.
莎拉的妈妈劳拉。
Laura David, her dad, called, and goes, Well, it's a heart.
她的父亲劳拉·大卫打来电话说，嗯，这是一颗心。
We've got one.
我们有一个。
Well, we just started screaming and jumping up and down and dancing.
好吧，我们就开始尖叫、跳上跳下、跳舞。
My heart, since it was three times the size that it should have been, the heart cavity was really large.
我的心，原来的大小是原来的三倍，所以心腔真的很大。
And the donor that I got it from, even though the person was my age, the heart fit well because it was a little bit bigger but still healthy.
我从捐赠者那里得到的心脏，尽管这个人与我同龄，但心脏很合适，因为它有点大，但仍然健康。
And so, it fit well.
所以，它很合适。
And even though the cavity's larger, it works.
尽管空腔更大，但它仍然有效。
It fits.
很合适。
I remember the surgeon telling us that it was a perfect heart.
我记得外科医生告诉我们这是一颗完美的心脏。
What do you remember about post-surgery?
关于手术后你还记得什么？
Oh, my gosh.
哦，天哪。
The first moment I came out of the medicine that they put me on, I remember feeling like I was drowning-- I'm going to cry thinking about it-- because I hadn't breathed so good for so long.
当我从他们给我吃的药中出来的那一刻，我记得感觉自己快要被淹死了——一想到这我就想哭——因为我已经很久没有呼吸得这么顺畅了。
And all of a sudden I just felt like I was drowning in air.
突然之间，我感觉自己淹没在空气中。
And it was just-- It was really cool.
这真的很酷。
And the first time I got to come in and see her afterwards, I touched her feet.
之后我第一次进去见她时，我碰了碰她的脚。
And you have to understand that her feet had been so cold for so long.
而且你要明白，她的脚已经这么冷了这么久了。
And I had been warned that her feet were going to be warm.
我被警告说她的脚会变热。
And I touched them, and they were warm.
我摸了摸它们，它们很温暖。
And then that's when I knew that things were working good.
然后我就知道事情进展顺利。
For most families, this is where it would end.
对于大多数家庭来说，一切到此为止。
Maybe a thank you note passed through a social worker to the donor family.
也许一封感谢信会通过社会工作者转交给捐赠者家庭。
But Sarah's mom, Laura, wanted more.
但莎拉的妈妈劳拉想要更多。
Whoever gave her daughter this heart had done something so important to their family, it felt strange not to know them better.
无论谁给了她女儿这颗心，都为他们的家庭做了如此重要的事情，不更好地了解他们感觉很奇怪。
But hospitals don't just casually release personal information.
但医院不会随便公布个人信息。
Donor families might get upset hearing directly from someone who's walking around with their loved one's heart.
捐赠者家庭可能会因为直接听到那些带着亲人的心走来走去的人的消息而感到不安。
And a lot of recipients don't want to be reminded where their organs came from, either.
许多接受者也不想被提醒他们的器官来自哪里。
Sarah felt that way.
莎拉有这样的感觉。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I didn't really want to know.
我其实并不想知道。
Because it's really personal but also it's insane.
因为这确实是个人的，但也很疯狂。
You don't know how to have a relationship with the people who saved your life.
你不知道如何与拯救你生命的人建立关系。
It's just really strange.
这真的很奇怪。
I felt bad.
我感觉很糟糕。
I felt really guilty.
我真的感到很内疚。
And I know it's not my fault that the person died, but you can't really help but feel bad to benefit from someone that's lost someone, you know?
我知道这个人的死不是我的错，但是当你从失去某人的人那里受益时，你真的会情不自禁地感到难过，你知道吗？
And that was the hardest thing.
这是最难的事情。
I didn't want to meet them and feel guilty about their child passing away.
我不想见到他们并为他们孩子的去世感到内疚。
Sarah's mom, Laura, though, didn't give up.
然而，莎拉的妈妈劳拉并没有放弃。
And the hospital did give Laura a few basic details.
医院确实向劳拉提供了一些基本细节。
The heart had come from a boy about Sarah's age who lived in the Fresno area, about two and a half hours from where Laura and Sarah lived.
这颗心脏来自一个与莎拉年龄相仿的男孩，他住在弗雷斯诺地区，距离劳拉和莎拉住的地方大约两个半小时车程。
Laura's relatives went online and started doing some sleuthing.
劳拉的亲戚上网并开始进行一些调查。
They discovered a boy named Lucas who lived in the Fresno area.
他们发现了一个住在弗雷斯诺地区的名叫卢卡斯的男孩。
He died just before Sarah's transplant.
他就在莎拉接受移植手术前去世。
His cause of death, murder.
他的死因是谋杀。
The investigation stalled there.
调查就此陷入停滞。
Until one day, a couple of months after the transplant, Laura did something hospitals discourage transplant families from trying.
直到移植手术几个月后的某一天，劳拉做了一件医院不鼓励移植家庭尝试的事情。
She happened to be near Fresno on business.
她碰巧在弗雷斯诺附近出差。
She stopped by the local newspaper to go through the archives.
她顺便去当地报纸查阅档案。
Lucas, the article said, was killed in an especially senseless crime.
文章称，卢卡斯是在一次特别无意义的犯罪中被杀的。
Members of one street gang taunted another.
一个街头帮派的成员嘲笑另一个帮派。
Bottles broke.
瓶子碎了。
A car window was smashed.
一辆汽车的车窗被打破。
Two men seeking revenge entered the home of a rival gang member, a 16-year-old named Arcadio, who just happened to be Lucas' brother.
两名寻求复仇的男子进入了敌对帮派成员的家中，该成员是一名 16 岁的阿卡迪奥，他恰好是卢卡斯的兄弟。
When the intruder saw a sleeping figure, his face covered by a blanket, one of them fired three shots into his skull.
当入侵者看到一个睡着的人，脸上盖着毯子时，其中一人向他的头骨开了三枪。
But instead of their target, Arcadio, they executed Lucas, his innocent, 11-year-old, big-for-his-age brother.
但他们并没有处决目标阿卡迪奥，而是处决了他无辜的 11 岁弟弟卢卡斯。
Reading all this just made Laura want more information.
读到这一切让劳拉想要更多信息。
In the articles in the paper, they gave his street name.
在报纸的文章中，他们给出了他的街道名称。
I drove down his street, just really feeling the necessity to see where this boy was from.
我沿着他的街道开车，真的觉得有必要看看这个男孩来自哪里。
Not knowing what the actual address was of the house, I did stop some kids that were playing in the street and asked them if down the street is where the boy was shot.
由于不知道房子的实际地址，我确实拦住了一些在街上玩耍的孩子，问他们街上是否就是男孩被枪杀的地方。
And they pointed out that, yes, it was the sunshine house, they called it.
他们指出，是的，这就是他们所说的阳光房。
It was this yellow house.
就是这座黄色的房子。
A very small house, very rough part of Fresno.
一栋很小的房子，是弗雷斯诺非常简陋的地方。
And I drove by, and I could see people inside.
我开车经过，我可以看到里面有人。
And then I actually went to the elementary school that was referenced in the newspaper, again, just really feeling the need to walk through, because he was Sarah's age.
然后我真的去了报纸上提到的那所小学，再次，只是真的觉得有必要走一走，因为他和莎拉同龄。
Anyway, I went into the school.
不管怎样，我还是进了学校。
The school was already closed, because it was in the late afternoon.
因为是下午晚些时候，学校已经放假了。
I ran across a teacher who asked me what I was doing.
我遇到一位老师，他问我在做什么。
And he said Lucas was his student.
他说卢卡斯是他的学生。
So he brought in the classroom, showed me Lucas' desk.
所以他带进了教室，给我看了卢卡斯的桌子。
They had kept it the same.
他们保持原样。
He told me all about Lucas.
他告诉了我关于卢卡斯的一切。
It was very emotional.
这是非常感人的。
In fact, just thinking now, my feelings are coming back.
其实现在想想，我的感觉又回来了。
Just thinking that these were the items of the child that has saved my daughter's life, given her a second chance.
只是想到这些是孩子的物品救了我女儿的命，给了她第二次机会。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Jill Wolfson I met with Lucas' family in rural Washington state, where they now live.
[西班牙语]吉尔·沃尔夫森（Jill Wolfson） 我在华盛顿州乡村会见了卢卡斯的家人，他们现在居住在那里。
They moved from California several years ago for work and to get away from gangs and bad memories.
几年前，他们为了工作、远离帮派和不好的回忆而从加利福尼亚州搬来。
The parents, Maria and Miguel, share a home with Arcadio, his wife Karatina, and their four young children.
父母玛丽亚和米格尔与阿卡迪奥、他的妻子卡拉蒂娜以及他们的四个年幼的孩子同住一个家。
We sat in their small living room, talking about their decision to donate their son's organs.
我们坐在他们的小客厅里，谈论他们捐献儿子器官的决定。
The thing in our tradition is that we do not donate organs.
我们的传统是不捐献器官。
This is Basilica, Lucas' older sister, who talked them through the decision.
这是卢卡斯的姐姐巴斯利卡，她与他们讨论了这个决定。
We had nobody ever in the family had ever donated organs to anybody.
我们家里从来没有人向任何人捐赠过器官。
So my parents were thinking if it's all right to do that, because they didn't know if my brother was going to rest in peace knowing that part of him is living.
所以我的父母在想这样做是否可以，因为他们不知道我的兄弟是否会在知道他的那一部分还活着的情况下安息。
And how does she know if he's really resting?
她怎么知道他是否真的在休息？
Or she doesn't know if he was going to be mad.
或者她不知道他是否会生气。
And I told my parents that it's all right, because after you die, you don't feel nothing.
我告诉我的父母，没关系，因为你死后，你不会有任何感觉。
It's like if you were asleep.
就像你睡着了一样。
When you're sleeping, you're not just walking around, or your spirit's going everywhere.
当你睡觉的时候，你不只是四处走动，或者你的精神到处走动。
And that it was all right.
一切都好。
We talked about Lucas.
我们谈论了卢卡斯。
And the family brought out photos and told the kinds of stories you'd expect.
这家人拿出了照片并讲述了你所期望的各种故事。
He was well-liked in school.
他在学校很受欢迎。
He did nice things for his newborn niece.
他为刚出生的侄女做了很多好事。
The only one who told darker stories about Lucas was his mom, Maria.
唯一讲述卢卡斯黑暗故事的人是他的妈妈玛丽亚。
In her stories, he was cranky with her.
在她的故事中，他对她脾气暴躁。
He'd sulk in his room a lot, or complain that she hadn't given him the food he wanted.
他经常在自己的房间里生闷气，或者抱怨她没有给他他想要的食物。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Karatina She said that he would get mad sometimes.
[说西班牙语] Karatina 她说他有时会生气。
And he would tell her, I want to die.
他会告诉她，我想死。
I wish I would die.
我希望我死掉。
This is Karatina, Arcadio's wife, translating.
我是阿卡迪奥的妻子卡拉蒂娜，正在翻译。
And he would tell her, what would she feel if he was to die, if she would cry?
他会告诉她，如果他死了，如果她哭泣，她会有什么感觉？
And she said that she would tell him, you're not going to die.
她说她会告诉他，你不会死。
You're going to be OK.
你会没事的。
And don't say those things.
并且不要说那些话。
And she would get mad at him, and upset.
她会对他生气，心烦意乱。
And she would say that she would cry.
她会说她会哭。
She's going to cry if something happens to him.
如果他出了什么事，她会哭的。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Jill Wolfson Maria still feels a lot of guilt that she didn't do enough, wasn't there enough for her son.
[说西班牙语]吉尔·沃尔夫森·玛丽亚仍然感到非常内疚，因为她做得不够，没有为她的儿子提供足够的帮助。
She wasn't at home the night Lucas was killed.
卢卡斯被杀的那天晚上她不在家。
She and her husband were many hours away, working in the fields as migrant laborers.
她和丈夫在外地工作了好几个小时，在田里打工。
Her daughter Basilica says she's never really forgiven herself.
她的女儿巴西利卡说她从未真正原谅自己。
Yeah, the guilt of that she would leave us with other people.
是的，她让我们和其他人在一起而感到内疚。
And that she would go a week or two, or a couple of months, because they would have to travel.
她会去一两周，或者几个月，因为他们必须旅行。
And the guilt won't leave her.
而且愧疚感不会离开她。
No, and it won't.
不，也不会。
I think to this day, it's always anger.
我想直到今天，它总是愤怒。
Because when we go to one of the school's functions for the kids, and she gets mad at herself.
因为当我们去学校为孩子们举办的一场活动时，她对自己很生气。
We're walking to the car or home or something.
我们正在步行去汽车或家或其他地方。
Ay, how come I never did this with my son?
哎呀，我怎么从来没有对我儿子这样做过呢？
she always says.
她总是说。
He would tell me and I would never do it.
他会告诉我，但我永远不会这样做。
I was dumb, she always says.
我很蠢，她总是说。
And she gets mad at herself because she wasn't more involved in their life.
她对自己很生气，因为她没有更多地参与他们的生活。
She was just always working and working and working.
她只是一直在工作、工作、工作。
There was a lot of guilt to go around.
周围有很多罪恶感。
Arcadio, now in his mid-20s, is soft spoken and kind of shy, not one to show his feelings easily.
阿卡迪奥现在二十多岁，说话轻声细语，有点害羞，不轻易表露自己的感情。
But after the shooting, Karatina would come home to find him sobbing, a picture of Lucas clenched to his chest.
但枪击事件发生后，卡蒂娜回到家，发现他在抽泣，胸前贴着一张卢卡斯的照片。
Like Sarah, Arcadio understood that he was alive only because Lucas was dead.
和莎拉一样，阿卡迪奥明白他之所以活着只是因为卢卡斯死了。
I had the guilt that it was my fault.
我感到内疚，这是我的错。
And that had me for a long time like that.
这让我很长一段时间都是这样。
Some of my family blamed me.
我的一些家人责怪我。
And they said in front of me at the hospital that because of me, and that's why.
他们在医院当着我的面说那是因为我，这就是原因。
Because I was--
因为我当时——
He would just feel guilty all the time.
他只会一直感到愧疚。
He was kind of not there.
他有点不在那儿。
He was out of it.
他已经摆脱了困境。
And I would always--
我会永远——
[INAUDIBLE] drugs, actually.
[听不清] 实际上是毒品。
Karatina And I would always find him-- he was living a bad life.
卡拉蒂娜 我总能找到他——他过着糟糕的生活。
He was going down a bad road because of it.
他因此走上了一条糟糕的道路。
Yeah, since that happened, some people would blame it on me.
是的，自从那件事发生后，有些人就会把责任归咎于我。
And I went with that guilt for a long time.
我很长一段时间都带着这种愧疚。
For, like, eight years, I was addicted to drugs.
大概有八年的时间，我对毒品上瘾了。
It was hard to make him realize that God didn't choose him to leave.
很难让他意识到上帝没有选择他离开。
He chose Lucas.
他选择了卢卡斯。
And he was alive and he needed to act like it.
他还活着，他需要表现得像他一样。
By the time Sarah was 14, three years after her transplant, she had gradually learned more details about her donor and his family.
莎拉 14 岁时，即移植手术三年后，她逐渐了解了有关捐赠者及其家人的更多细节。
Letters had been exchanged.
已经交换了信件。
Her parents had gone down to meet Lucas' family.
她的父母已经去见卢卡斯的家人了。
Sarah's parents had divorced by then.
那时莎拉的父母已经离婚。
Her dad and step-mom hung a picture of Lucas on the mantle above their fireplace with other family photos.
她的父亲和继母在壁炉上方的壁炉架上挂了一张卢卡斯的照片和其他家庭照片。
It was their way of honoring him, but it really upset Sarah.
这是他们向他致敬的方式，但这确实让莎拉感到不安。
I couldn't believe they did that.
我简直不敢相信他们这么做了。
And even to this day, I can't believe they did that.
直到今天，我仍然不敢相信他们这么做了。
That was, I thought, really insensitive.
我想，这实在是太麻木不仁了。
But that was their belief.
但这就是他们的信念。
They wanted to have it up.
他们想把它搞起来。
So I didn't go over to their house for a while.
所以有一段时间我没有去他们家。
But that was how we solved that problem.
但这就是我们解决这个问题的方法。
What was the part that was hard for you?
对你来说困难的部分是什么？
I don't know.
我不知道。
It just made it real.
它只是让它成为现实。
I mean, it was already very real to me that I had my transplant.
我的意思是，我接受移植手术对我来说已经非常真实了。
I have my scar and my stretch marks and I have to go to the doctors all the time.
我有疤痕和妊娠纹，我必须一直去看医生。
But it made it like it was a real person who died instead of me living.
但这让我感觉好像是一个真实的人死了，而不是我活着。
It was both.
两者都是。
But Sarah's parents continued ever so gently to encourage her to learn more about Lucas and maybe even visit his family.
但莎拉的父母继续温和地鼓励她更多地了解卢卡斯，甚至可能拜访他的家人。
Sarah kept saying she wasn't ready.
莎拉一直说她还没准备好。
But then an event came that changed her mind.
但后来发生的一件事改变了她的想法。
The trial date was set for Lucas' killers.
杀害卢卡斯的凶手的审判日期已经确定。
Sarah insisted on attending.
莎拉坚持要参加。
She wanted to give Lucas' mom moral support, she said, even though the thought scared to death.
她说，她想给卢卡斯妈妈道义上的支持，尽管这个想法吓得要死。
She kept worrying, what if they don't like me?
她一直担心，如果他们不喜欢我怎么办？
Before I met them, I didn't want to disappoint them.
在见到他们之前，我不想让他们失望。
And it might sound silly, but I kind of feel like, because of my transplant, and Lucas didn't get a chance to finish his life, I feel like I need to be good enough for two lives.
这可能听起来很愚蠢，但我觉得，由于我的移植，卢卡斯没有机会结束他的生命，我觉得我需要足够好才能过上两种生活。
Kind of, yeah.
有点，是的。
But it felt weird because I didn't know if she was going to like our side of the family.
但感觉很奇怪，因为我不知道她是否会喜欢我们这边的家庭。
We were different.
我们是不同的。
She lives different, and we're different.
她的生活不同，我们也不同。
Culture?
文化？
Arcadio Yeah.
阿卡迪奥 是的。
Because we're totally different.
因为我们完全不同。
We're Mexicans.
我们是墨西哥人。
That's why.
这就是原因。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] Arcadio Yeah.
[无法辨认]阿卡迪奥 是的。
Because we're Mexicans, that's why.
因为我们是墨西哥人，这就是原因。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Because he wasn't going to say it, I guess.
因为我猜他不会说出来。
Well, I was trying to figure it out.
嗯，我正试图弄清楚。
Because we were Mexican, that's why.
因为我们是墨西哥人，这就是原因。
And they were white.
他们是白人。
Their first meeting took place at the home of Lucas' uncle the night before the trial began.
他们的第一次会面是在审判开始前一天晚上在卢卡斯叔叔的家里举行的。
The extended family was there, all the aunts and uncles.
大家庭都在那里，所有的阿姨和叔叔。
When Sarah walked in, Maria and Miguel rushed to her side.
当莎拉走进来时，玛丽亚和米格尔冲到她身边。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Karatina She saw Sarah, and she couldn't believe that her son's heart was inside of Sarah.
[说西班牙语] 卡蒂娜 她看到了莎拉，她不敢相信她儿子的心在莎拉心里。
And she said that Sarah's mom told her that when she talked to Sarah to try not to cry in front of Sarah so that she wouldn't feel really bad.
她说莎拉的妈妈告诉她，当她和莎拉说话时，尽量不要在莎拉面前哭泣，这样她就不会感到难过。
So what did Maria do?
那么玛丽亚做了什么？
Karatina [SPEAKING SPANISH]
卡蒂娜 [西班牙语]
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Karatina She started to cry, she said.
[说西班牙语] 卡蒂娜 她说，她开始哭了。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Karatina And hug her.
[说西班牙语]卡拉蒂娜并拥抱她。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Karatina She wanted to hold her and not let go of her, she said, the whole day.
[说西班牙语] 卡蒂娜 她说，她一整天都想抱着她，不放开她。
I had been told by their social worker that Maria, the mother, really wanted to feel Lucas' heart.
他们的社会工作者告诉我，母亲玛丽亚真的很想感受到卢卡斯的心。
And I had warned Sarah about that.
我已经警告过莎拉这一点。
I felt she needed to be prepared, so when she did meet the family, that this possibility would happen.
我觉得她需要做好准备，所以当她真正见到家人的时候，这种可能就会发生。
Well, when she met them, and Sarah gave Maria a hug, Maria's head was right against Sarah's heart.
好吧，当她见到他们时，莎拉给了玛丽亚一个拥抱，玛丽亚的头正好抵着莎拉的心。
And so Maria could actually feel her heartbeat.
所以玛丽亚确实能感觉到她的心跳。
The next day was the trial.
第二天就是庭审。
Sarah sat next to Lucas' parents, holding Maria's hand.
莎拉坐在卢卡斯父母旁边，握着玛丽亚的手。
I'm used to watching Law & Order: SVU and the courtrooms are really big.
我已经习惯看《法律与秩序：SVU》了，法庭真的很大。
And it wasn't like that at all.
但事实根本不是那样的。
It was pretty small.
它很小。
And they went into very graphic terms about what happened and how he was murdered.
他们用非常生动的语言讲述了发生的事情以及他是如何被谋杀的。
Was that the first time you had heard in such graphic terms how he died?
这是您第一次以如此生动的方式听到他的死因吗？
Yes it was.
是的，确实如此。
And then they showed pictures.
然后他们展示了照片。
And my mom, she tried to pull me away.
我妈妈，她试图把我拉走。
But I wanted to see it.
但我想看看。
I guess part of me that wanted to see it felt like Lucas had been through so much and that he was murdered so horribly that I shouldn't be a baby about what happened.
我想我内心的一部分想要看到它，感觉卢卡斯经历了这么多，他被谋杀得如此可怕，所以我不应该对所发生的事情抱有小孩子的态度。
Because if he had to die like that, why should I turn away from what happened?
因为如果他必须就这样死去，我为什么要对所发生的事情视而不见呢？
The two men that were on trial were really close to us.
受审的两个人与我们关系非常密切。
I think there was only three rows of seating for people that are watching the trial.
我认为只有三排座位供观看审判的人使用。
So that was really strange, being that close.
所以，距离这么近，真的很奇怪。
Even though they didn't know who I was, the people that were on trial, they looked at me a few times in the eyes.
尽管那些受审的人不知道我是谁，但他们还是用眼睛看了我好几眼。
And it really scared me.
这真的让我害怕。
I mean, I know they didn't know who I was or why I was there, but I felt like the person that they had murdered, part of him was in me.
我的意思是，我知道他们不知道我是谁，也不知道我为什么在那里，但我感觉就像他们谋杀的那个人，他的一部分就在我身上。
When the jury convicted the two men of murder, something lifted for Sarah.
当陪审团判定这两人犯有谋杀罪时，莎拉的心情有所好转。
That verdict of blame was placed clearly where it belonged.
责备的判决明确地放在了它所属的地方。
It was then that she says she stopped referring so much to Lucas' heart.
就在那时，她说她不再过多提及卢卡斯的内心。
She calls it her own heart now.
她现在称它为自己的心。
Still, in talking to Sarah, who's 19 now, it's clear she feels an enormous amount of pressure.
尽管如此，在与现年 19 岁的莎拉交谈时，很明显她感受到了巨大的压力。
She can't just take the second chance Lucas' family gave her.
她不能轻易抓住卢卡斯家人给她的第二次机会。
She has to constantly justify it, prove she's worthy of it.
她必须不断地证明自己的行为是合理的，证明她是值得的。
But it's unclear even to her what that means exactly, except that being an ordinary person isn't enough.
但连她自己也不清楚这到底意味着什么，只知道作为一个普通人还不够。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It's just a constant fear in the back of my mind that when they see me grow up that they'll be like, wow, she really hasn't done anything great.
我内心深处一直担心，当他们看到我长大后，他们会说，哇，她真的没有做过任何伟大的事情。
This was-- you know, I don't know why they would think that.
这是——你知道，我不知道他们为什么会这么想。
I don't know why I think that.
我不知道为什么我会这么想。
But it would be like, wow, that was a bad choice.
但它会像，哇，这是一个糟糕的选择。
Lucas' family couldn't see things more differently.
卢卡斯的家人对事情的看法完全不同。
Just being alive.
只是活着。
Arcadio Oh, yeah.
阿卡迪奥哦，是的。
Just being alive and that's it.
只要活着就够了。
She is what she is.
她就是她。
And that's the way--
就是这样——
I think we'll always see her as perfect in our eyes, whatever she does.
我想无论她做什么，我们都会认为她在我们眼中是完美的。
Whatever she wants to be, that's who she is.
不管她想成为什么，她就是这样的人。
And that's good.
这很好。
A few weeks ago, Sarah celebrated the eighth anniversary of her transplant.
几周前，莎拉庆祝了移植手术八周年。
For Lucas' family, that's eight years of life that he's been able to give someone, eight years of proof that his death wasn't all in vain.
对于卢卡斯的家人来说，这是他能够给予某人的八年生命，八年的时间证明了他的死并没有白费。
For Sarah, it's eight years that she might not be alive if Lucas hadn't died.
对于莎拉来说，如果卢卡斯没有死，她可能已经活了八年了。
The heart has been in her almost as long as it was in Lucas.
这颗心在她身上的时间几乎和在卢卡斯身上的时间一样长。
It is her heart.
这是她的心。
And yet, every time she feels it slowing down as she drifts off to sleep, every time she's nervous and it speeds up, there's that reminder.
然而，每次当她入睡时感觉速度减慢，每次她紧张而速度加快时，都会有这样的提醒。
Jill Wolfson lives in Santa Cruz, California.
吉尔·沃尔夫森住在加利福尼亚州圣克鲁斯。
She's currently finishing her newest novel for young adults, Cold Hands, Warm Heart , which comes out next year.
她目前正在完成她最新的青少年小说《手冷，心暖》，该小说将于明年出版。
Every 12 minutes, another name is added to the national registry of people who need organ donations.
每 12 分钟就有一个名字被添加到需要器官捐赠的国家登记册中。
And each day in our country, 18 people die for a lack of donors.
在我们国家，每天有 18 人因缺乏捐赠者而死亡。
Coming up, a casual offer in a restaurant takes on a life of its own.
接下来，餐厅里的休闲服务将有自己的生命力。
Actually, three lives of its own.
事实上，它有自己的三个生命。
These words I'm saying are going to make a lot more sense when we get to that act in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，当我们立即看到芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台的表演时，我所说的这些话将变得更有意义。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's show, Ties That Bind.
今天的节目《束缚的纽带》。
We have stories of friendships, but these are friendships where even the friends themselves are not so sure about the friendships, which really is so many, many friendships.
我们有友谊的故事，但这些友谊连朋友自己都不太确定，这确实是很多很多的友谊。
We've arrived at Act Three of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three, Lucy and the Bike Girl.
第三幕，露西和自行车女孩。
In this next story, we're going to try something we have never tried before on our radio show.
在下一个故事中，我们将尝试一些我们以前从未在广播节目中尝试过的事情。
Reporter Hillary Frank interviewed this woman about an unusual online friendship.
记者希拉里·弗兰克就一段不寻常的网上友谊采访了这位女士。
And everything you're going to hear from that interview is 100% true.
你从这次采访中听到的一切都是 100% 真实的。
But Hillary is also a fiction writer, and so she has taken this true story and she has expanded it into a piece of fiction.
但希拉里也是一位小说作家，所以她把这个真实的故事扩展成了一部小说。
So, OK, just to be clear, when you hear the taped interview, all true.
所以，好吧，澄清一下，当你听到采访录音时，一切都是真的。
Everything else Hillary says, up for grabs.
希拉里所说的其他一切都可以争夺。
OK, here we go.
好的，我们开始吧。
This is the very first speed I do.
这是我做的第一个速度。
Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh--
呃呃呃呃呃——
Lucy didn't have many friends growing up.
露西从小到大没有很多朋友。
This is the final speed I do.
这是我最终的速度。
Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah--
啊啊啊啊啊啊——
While other kids were running around playing on their lawns, she was inside, getting her chest pounded on to clear mucus out of her lungs.
当其他孩子在草坪上跑来跑去玩耍时，她却在里面，敲打着她的胸部，以清除肺部的粘液。
[COUGHING] Hillary Frank She has cystic fibrosis.
[咳嗽]希拉里弗兰克她患有囊性纤维化。
Now Lucy is 28.
现在露西28岁了。
She lives in a tiny box of a house on the corner of two alleys in Philadelphia.
她住在费城两条小巷拐角处的一栋小房子里。
Every day, while she's going through her morning routine, she hears this at the intersection outside her window.
每天，当她在做早晨的例行公事时，她都会在窗外的十字路口听到这种声音。
[BICYCLE BELL] The girl who rides the powder blue bike looks like Pippi Longstocking.
【自行车铃】骑粉蓝色自行车的女孩像长袜子皮皮。
She's got red braids, freckles, sometimes even striped socks.
她有红色的辫子、雀斑，有时甚至还有条纹袜子。
It's a strange look for a grown woman, but somehow she pulls it off.
对于一个成年女性来说，这看起来很奇怪，但不知何故，她成功了。
Each time she passes, Lucy runs to the window.
每次她经过时，露西都会跑到窗前。
She wants to call out to the girl.
她想叫住那个女孩。
She wants to grab her by the wrist and bring her inside for a hot cup of tea.
她想抓住她的手腕，带她进去喝杯热茶。
This girl doesn't know it, but Lucy is the person she chats with online every night.
这个女孩不知道，露西就是她每天晚上在网上聊天的人。
That's more than I do with my closest friends.
这比我对我最亲密的朋友所做的还要多。
Lucy and the Pippi Longstocking girl met a few weeks ago on a message board for people with CF.
几周前，露西和长袜子皮皮女孩在 CF 患者留言板上相识。
We basically found each other through these posts that were about pregnancy.
我们基本上是通过这些有关怀孕的帖子认识的。
The girl had posted her picture, and Lucy recognized her braids right away.
女孩贴出了她的照片，露西立刻就认出了她的辫子。
--and picked up on the fact that we were both trying to conceive at the same time.
——并意识到我们都在同时尝试怀孕。
Lucy and the bike girl quickly realized they'd need to chat privately.
露西和骑自行车的女孩很快意识到他们需要私下聊天。
Other people on the message board got judgmental of them, told them they should get their tubes tied.
留言板上的其他人对他们进行了评判，告诉他们应该把管子绑起来。
Women with CF, they said, should not have babies.
他们说，患有囊性纤维化的女性不应该生育。
A baby is basically a big ball of germs.
婴儿基本上是一个大细菌球。
And what CF patient in their right mind would invite a big ball of germs into their house?
哪个心智正常的 CF 患者会邀请一大群细菌进入他们的家呢？
Actually, this is pretty close to what Lucy's doctor said, too.
事实上，这也与露西的医生所说的非常接近。
He was like, well, if you're really going to do this-- which I wish I could convince you not to-- I guess now is better than later.
他说，好吧，如果你真的要这样做——我希望我能说服你不要这样做——我想现在比以后更好。
And I'd remember coming home and crying and going for a run, just to prove him wrong, or whatever, that I was healthy and that I would be able to do this.
我记得回家后哭着去跑步，只是为了证明他错了，或者无论如何，我很健康，我能够做到这一点。
[BICYCLE BELL] Hillary Frank That night, about an hour after Lucy heard the bell pass by her house, she went online and complained to the bike girl about her doctor.
[自行车铃声] 希拉里·弗兰克 那天晚上，露西听到铃声经过她家大约一个小时后，她上网向骑自行车的女孩抱怨她的医生。
The bike girl couldn't believe it.
骑自行车的女孩简直不敢相信。
This was almost word for word what her doctor had told her just a couple days ago.
这几乎是她的医生几天前告诉她的话。
"Nobody gets it," Lucy typed.
“没有人明白，”露西打字道。
"Even my best friend said I was making the biggest mistake of my life."
“就连我最好的朋友也说我犯了一生中最大的错误。”
"I hate your best friend," the bike girl typed back.
“我讨厌你最好的朋友，”骑自行车的女孩回道。
Lucy didn't know how to respond to that.
露西不知道该如何回应。
Her first instinct was to tell the bike girl not to judge Miranda.
她的第一反应是告诉骑自行车的女孩不要评判米兰达。
She didn't even know her.
她根本不认识她。
But she found herself typing the words, "I do, too." And then she just spilled her guts.
但她发现自己正在打字：“我也是。”然后她就吐露了自己的胆量。
She told the bike girl how her dad and Miranda's dad had been in the army together.
她告诉骑自行车的女孩她的父亲和米兰达的父亲是如何一起参军的。
How their mothers had seen the Beatles together.
他们的母亲是如何看到披头士乐队在一起的。
How when she and Miranda were girls, they'd concoct special shampoos from all the bottles in their bathroom cabinets.
当她和米兰达还是女孩的时候，她们会用浴室柜子里的所有瓶子配制特殊的洗发水。
And how they'd once lost little chunks of hair because they didn't know what Nair was.
他们曾经因为不知道奈尔是什么而失去了一小撮头发。
But by high school, things had changed.
但到了高中，情况发生了变化。
Miranda made Lucy feel bad for being in honors classes, for having a boyfriend, and now, for being married.
米兰达让露西为参加荣誉课程、有男朋友以及现在结婚而感到难过。
Miranda was always planning girls' nights out for just the two of them.
米兰达总是为她们两个策划女孩之夜。
She'd get drunk and call Lucy her best friend.
她会喝醉并称露西为她最好的朋友。
But it was clear to Lucy that Miranda didn't get her at all.
但露西很清楚米兰达根本不明白她的意思。
Going to a smoky bar, that kind of thing isn't worth it.
去一个烟雾缭绕的酒吧，这种事情不值得。
Staying out late, how much fun is it really going to be?
熬夜到很晚，到底能有多少乐趣呢？
It might take off four years of my life.
它可能会缩短我四年的生命。
"I wish I could hug you," the bike girl typed.
“我希望能拥抱你，”骑自行车的女孩打字道。
"I wish we could just hang out," Lucy typed back, "like real friends."
“我希望我们能一起出去玩，”露西回复道，“就像真正的朋友一样。”
"I wish we could play Connect Four," the bike girl wrote.
“我希望我们能玩四子棋，”骑自行车的女孩写道。
"Yeah," Lucy answered, "and give each other pedicures." Lucy had an urge to run down the street with nail polish, knock on the girl's door, and tell her they were neighbors.
“是啊，”露西回答道，“互相给对方修脚。”露西很想涂着指甲油跑到街上去敲女孩的门，告诉她他们是邻居。
But she couldn't.
但她不能。
Because that type of proximity would be too dangerous.
因为这种接近太危险了。
Online, we have signatures, and hers says that she has B.
在网上，我们有签名，她的签名说她有B。
cepacia.
塞帕西亚。
B.
B.
cepacia is a type of bacteria that lives in soil and water and rotting onions.
cepacia 是一种生活在土壤、水和腐烂洋葱中的细菌。
It's not harmful to most of us.
它对我们大多数人没有害处。
But for people with CF, B.
但对于患有 CF 的人来说，B.
cepacia germs act as a superbug, colonizing in their lungs.
洋葱细菌就像超级细菌一样，在肺部定殖。
Colonizing means that you have it in your lungs forever.
定植意味着它永远留在你的肺里。
Like, it has set up shop big time.
就像，它已经开了一家大店。
And if one person with CF is colonizing B.
如果一个患有 CF 的人正在殖民 B.
cepacia, it's a bad idea for them to be around another person with CF.
cepacia，对他们来说，和另一个患有 CF 的人在一起是个坏主意。
In fact, people with CF are never supposed to come within three feet of each other, even at the doctor's office.
事实上，患有囊性纤维化的人之间的距离绝对不应该在三英尺以内，即使是在医生办公室也是如此。
The fear is that I would inhale some of these germs, or they would get on my hands.
担心的是我会吸入其中一些细菌，或者它们会沾到我的手上。
And suddenly, then you get sick.
突然间，你就生病了。
And it's especially virile because there are few antibiotics that work against it.
它特别具有男子气概，因为几乎没有抗生素可以对抗它。
When you are diagnosed with having B.
当您被诊断患有 B.
cepacia in your lungs, your life expectancy is cut in half.
如果肺部有洋葱，你的预期寿命就会减半。
When we both got pregnant within weeks of each other, it was like, oh my gosh, I'm never going to get to be able to see your kid.
当我们在几周内怀孕时，感觉就像是，天哪，我再也见不到你的孩子了。
That tore me up a bit.
这让我有点心碎。
And I was thinking about Fairmount Park.
我正在考虑费尔蒙特公园。
And I was like, "oh, we could stand three feet apart.
我当时想，“哦，我们可以相距三英尺。
And I could make sure I'm upwind of her." I think that might have even been in a dream.
而且我可以确保我处于她的上风处。”我想这甚至可能是在梦中。
And I'm like, oh, I could hold her kid.
我想，哦，我可以抱她的孩子。
And then she can touch my kid.
然后她就可以碰我的孩子了。
But then I realized, I'm like, yeah, this is not going to happen.
但后来我意识到，我想，是的，这不会发生。
Unless we both showed up in HazMat suits or something.
除非我们都穿着危险品套装什么的出现。
As Lucy's belly grew, she heard the bike bell less and less.
随着露西的肚子越来越大，她听到的自行车铃声也越来越少。
Until finally, it stopped entirely.
直到最后，彻底停止了。
She was still chatting with the bike girl most nights.
大多数晚上她仍然在和骑自行车的女孩聊天。
But she felt desperate for more contact.
但她迫切希望有更多的接触。
She bought a onesie with a drawing of a peanut and wrapped it up to send to the bike girl, with no return address, of course.
她买了一件画有花生的连体衣，然后把它包裹起来寄给骑自行车的女孩，当然，没有回信地址。
But she never sent the package.
但她从未寄出包裹。
Because it's almost like anthrax.
因为它几乎像炭疽病。
Does she really want to receive something from me?
她真的想从我这里得到什么吗？
It's weird.
很奇怪。
I mean, I could have something that they haven't found yet.
我的意思是，我可以拥有一些他们还没有找到的东西。
And I could have it and she couldn't.
我可以拥有它，而她不能。
And it's just not a good idea.
这不是一个好主意。
Halloween rolled around.
万圣节来临了。
Lately, Lucy had been avoiding her kinda-sorta best friend Miranda's phone calls, and the guilt was weighing on her.
最近，露西一直回避她最好的朋友米兰达的电话，这种愧疚感压在她的心头。
So when Miranda invited her to a costume party, she agreed to go.
因此，当米兰达邀请她参加化装舞会时，她同意去。
Miranda had picked the costumes.
米兰达挑选了服装。
Lucy would be a pregnant lady in labor, and Miranda would be her midwife, her sexy midwife.
露西将是一位临产的孕妇，而米兰达将是她的助产士，她性感的助产士。
Miranda was late, as usual.
米兰达像往常一样迟到了。
Lucy waited on her couch in a hospital gown made from an old sheet, watching her husband greet trick-or-treaters in his scuba diver costume.
露西穿着用旧床单制成的病号服在沙发上等待，看着她的丈夫穿着潜水员服装迎接“不给糖就捣蛋”的人。
She started to worry about getting home in time for her evening lung treatment.
她开始担心能否及时回家接受晚上的肺部治疗。
She wished that she was going to this party with the bike girl.
她希望自己能和骑自行车的女孩一起去参加这个聚会。
Wouldn't it be nice if they could come home and do their treatments together?
如果他们能回家一起接受治疗不是很好吗？
And then, Lucy had an idea.
然后，露西有了一个主意。
Well, screw it.
好吧，搞砸了。
Life is too short.
生命太短暂了。
If I want to meet her, I'll meet her.
如果我想见她，我就会见她。
Lucy walked over to her husband and took off his scuba mask, then put it over her own head.
露西走到她丈夫身边，摘下他的潜水面罩，然后戴在自己的头上。
"Be right back," she told him and walked out the door.
“马上回来。”她告诉他，然后走出了门。
As she hurried up the dark alley, she wondered if the bike girl would be dressed as Pippi Longstocking.
当她快步走进黑暗的小巷时，她在想，这个骑自行车的女孩会不会打扮成长袜子皮皮呢？
Was she Pippi every year?
每年她都是皮皮吗？
When she got to the bike girl's house, she stared at the buzzer.
当她到达自行车女孩家时，她盯着蜂鸣器。
Her breaths were loud inside her mask.
面罩内她的呼吸声很大。
Her heart was beating in her brain.
她的心在她的大脑中跳动。
She felt something tugging at her sheet.
她感觉到有什么东西在拉扯她的床单。
She looked down and saw a little pack of superheroes crowded around her waist.
她低头一看，发现腰间围着一小群超级英雄。
"You gonna ring it, lady?" the Incredible Hulk asked her.
“你要按响吗，女士？”无敌浩克问她。
Lucy jumped back and shook her head.
露西向后跳了一步，摇摇头。
She didn't even wait for the door to open before heading home.
她甚至没有等门打开就回家了。
She squinted down the street and saw a scuba diver without his mask, shrugging at a sexy midwife.
她眯着眼睛朝街上望去，看到一名没有戴面罩的潜水员，对着性感的助产士耸耸肩。
The sexy midwife stomped her high-heeled boots and pointed at her watch, then got in her car and drove off.
性感的助产士跺着高跟靴，指了指手表，然后上车开走了。
Lucy smiled.
露西笑了。
In a way, she was glad she had chickened out with the bike girl.
在某种程度上，她很高兴自己对那个骑自行车的女孩退缩了。
Things with her were so easy.
和她在一起的事情就是这么简单。
Maybe meeting in person would just make them more complicated.
也许亲自见面只会让事情变得更加复杂。
I know we won't always be in touch like we are right now, every day.
我知道我们不会像现在这样每天都保持联系。
If we can just keep in touch, though, I think it's going to be great.
不过，如果我们能保持联系，我想那就太好了。
Because I think we have something unusual.
因为我认为我们有一些不寻常的东西。
That night, when the bike girl got online, Lucy was waiting by her computer with nail polish.
那天晚上，当自行车女孩上线时，露西正涂着指甲油在电脑旁等着。
She told the bike girl to go get some, too.
她让骑自行车的女孩也去买一些。
And they sat beside their chat screens, painting their toenails, one after the other.
他们坐在聊天屏幕旁边，一个接一个地涂脚趾甲。
Hillary Frank is the author of the young adult novel, Better than Running at Night .
希拉里·弗兰克是青年小说《比夜跑更好》的作者。
She lives in Philadelphia.
她住在费城。
[SONG - "ME AND MY FRIEND" BY JULIE DOIRON]
[歌曲 - 朱莉·多伊龙的《我和我的朋友》]
Act Four, David and Andi.
第四幕，大卫和安迪。
This last story we have today about are-we-real-friends kinds of friendships begins in a restaurant with a fertility doctor and a waitress.
我们今天要讲的最后一个关于“我们是真正的朋友”的友谊的故事始于一家餐馆，有一位生育医生和一位女服务员。
I'm David Kallenberger.
我是大卫·卡伦伯格。
I'm Program Director of the Bennett Fertility Institute.
我是贝内特生育研究所的项目主任。
My name is Andi Knox, born and raised in New Orleans.
我叫安迪·诺克斯，在新奥尔良出生和长大。
I worked at Galatoire's, which is a very famous restaurant in New Orleans.
我在 Galatoire's 工作过，这是新奥尔良一家非常有名的餐厅。
And my husband and I were trying to get pregnant for about three years.
我和我丈夫尝试怀孕大约三年了。
I was seeing a fertility specialist.
我正在看一位生育专家。
He came in one night and brought in a drug rep.
一天晚上他进来并带来了一名药物代表。
Her name is Myra Crawford.
她的名字叫迈拉·克劳福德。
And we just hit it off.
我们一拍即合。
She's like, your next go around, I'll give you your drugs.
她就像，你下次去，我会给你毒品。
I'll take care of that for you.
我会为你处理好这件事。
And I was like, oh, well, that's great.
我当时想，哦，那太好了。
We were in New Orleans meeting a friend of ours.
我们在新奥尔良会见我们的一位朋友。
She happens to be a drug rep that sells fertility drugs.
她恰好是一名销售生育药物的药物代表。
And we were having breakfast at Galatoire's.
我们正在加拉图瓦餐厅吃早餐。
And she had asked for Andi Knox to wait on us, who we assumed was a friend of hers.
她要求安迪·诺克斯来伺候我们，我们以为他是她的朋友。
She knew she was having some fertility issues and was under treatment at a fertility institute in New Orleans that got wiped away in Katrina.
她知道自己有一些生育问题，正在新奥尔良的一家生育机构接受治疗，该机构在卡特里娜飓风中被摧毁。
She brought the Kallenbergers in, Jenny and David Kallenberger.
她引进了卡伦伯格夫妇，珍妮·卡伦伯格和大卫·卡伦伯格。
I never met these people, only had met Myra just a few times, and waited on them.
我从未见过这些人，只见过迈拉几次，并伺候过他们。
And we were talking about doing the in vitro fertilization.
我们正在谈论进行体外受精。
They started talking a little bit.
他们开始聊了一会儿。
And she said, well, you've got to go to Dr. Kallenberger's program in Oklahoma City, because they have some of the best results in the country.
她说，好吧，你必须去俄克拉荷马城的卡伦伯格博士的项目，因为他们有一些全国最好的结果。
And my wife then popped up and said, yeah, you can just stay with us if you come.
然后我的妻子突然出现并说，是的，如果你来的话，你可以和我们一起住。
And I looked at her kind of funny.
我看着她，感觉有点好笑。
Jenny, out of the blue, just met her, was like, well, yeah, you can come up to Oklahoma and stay at our house.
珍妮，出乎意料地，刚刚见到她，她就说，好吧，是的，你可以来俄克拉荷马州住在我们家。
And David will do everything.
大卫会做一切。
He'll do the whole thing for you.
他会为你做所有的事情。
And I was just like, oh, OK.
我当时就想，哦，好吧。
And he kind of chimed in, and said, well, yeah--
他插话道，好吧，是的——
--if you'd like to send me your records, I'll be glad to go over them and give you my opinion of what you need to have done.
--如果您想将您的记录发送给我，我将很乐意查看它们并就您需要做的事情向您提供我的意见。
So she left, and I looked at my wife and said, do you realize what you just did?
于是她就离开了，我看着我的妻子说，你知道你刚刚做了什么吗？
And she goes, well, she'd never take us up on that.
她说，好吧，她永远不会接受我们的意见。
Well, I actually sent my records to him.
嗯，我实际上把我的记录发给了他。
A week later, I got a nice letter from Andi with her record.
一周后，我收到安迪寄来的一封热情洋溢的信，里面附有她的唱片。
And it said, you're so kind to do this for me.
它说，你真好心为我做这件事。
And I've been looking you up on the internet.
我一直在网上寻找你。
And Myra's right.
迈拉是对的。
You have really great results.
你取得了非常好的成果。
And if your offer's sincere, I'd love to take you up on it.
如果你的提议是真诚的，我很乐意接受你。
So I call Jenny and I say, well, guess what?
所以我打电话给珍妮，我说，好吧，你猜怎么着？
That little offer you made as a quip, she's going to take us up on it.
你开玩笑地提出的那个小提议，她会接受我们的。
And so we said, well, she's a friend of Myra's.
所以我们说，好吧，她是迈拉的朋友。
And so we called Myra and told her and said, so you know her pretty well?
所以我们打电话给迈拉并告诉她并说，所以你很了解她？
She goes, no, I really don't know her.
她说，不，我真的不认识她。
She waits on me at Galatoire's and does a good job.
她在加拉托瓦尔家伺候我，干得很好。
It took me about two months to make the decision to actually go to a strange place-- I had never been to Oklahoma, didn't know anyone there-- to stay with some stranger and do this in vitro fertilization.
我花了大约两个月的时间才决定去一个陌生的地方——我从未去过俄克拉荷马州，也不认识那里的任何人——和一些陌生人呆在一起并进行体外受精。
And this isn't a short visit.
这不是一次短暂的访问。
This is a three-and-a-half-week visit, by the time you start, she gets there, and she has to stay after embryos are transferred and all.
这是一次为期三周半的访问，当您开始时，她已经到达那里，并且在胚胎移植等之后她必须留下来。
And so I go, OK, this is going to be real interesting.
所以我说，好吧，这真的很有趣。
And everybody was like, this is kind of weird.
每个人都觉得，这有点奇怪。
You're staying at his house.
你住在他家。
And I've never had a patient stay with us before, unless it was a relative or something.
我以前从来没有让病人住过我们这里，除非是亲戚什么的。
Everybody's like, why is this doctor doing this?
大家都在想，这位医生为什么要这样做呢？
I'm like, I don't know.
我想，我不知道。
Long story short, over time, she and Jenny, my wife, got to be really close and good friends and spent time in the kitchen cooking together and sharing recipes.
长话短说，随着时间的推移，她和我的妻子珍妮成为了非常亲密的好朋友，花时间在厨房里一起做饭和分享食谱。
And she underwent IVF.
她接受了试管受精。
Came home about seven days later, took the pregnancy test and found out that both eggs took.
大约7天后回到家，进行妊娠测试，发现两个卵子都取出来了。
Five and a half weeks, we did an ultrasound, found out that it was twins, but we saw something else.
五周半后，我们做了超声波检查，发现是双胞胎，但我们看到了其他东西。
And then nine and a half weeks, it was triplets.
然后九周半，就生下了三胞胎。
Well, it started off as a very weird situation that ended up being a very positive event.
嗯，一开始是一个非常奇怪的情况，但最终却变成了一个非常积极的事件。
I think about these people every day.
我每天都在想这些人。
They are such a big part of my life.
他们是我生活的重要组成部分。
I mean, I have three babies because of them.
我的意思是，因为他们我才生了三个孩子。
Jenny-- at the initial part when I said, well, we're going to have these guests-- she goes, well, that can be our payback for Katrina.
珍妮——一开始我说，好吧，我们将会有这些客人——她说，好吧，这可以是我们对卡特里娜飓风的回报。
My son's name is Kallen, after Dr. Kallenberger.
我儿子的名字是卡伦，以卡伦伯格博士的名字命名。
And my middle daughter's name is Emma, which is a family name.
我二女儿的名字叫艾玛，这是一个姓氏。
And Ava is actually Dr. Kallenberger's niece.
艾娃实际上是卡伦伯格博士的侄女。
Jenny just sent her a shower gift.
珍妮刚刚给她送了一份送礼礼物。
And it has these little baby things kids wear that has their name on the front, and over the butt it has "Made in Oklahoma."
它有一些孩子们穿的小婴儿用品，前面有他们的名字，屁股上有“俄克拉荷马制造”。
Dr. David Kallenberger and Andi Knox.
大卫·卡伦伯格博士和安迪·诺克斯。
Their story was put together by Scott Gurian at KGOU in Norman, Oklahoma.
他们的故事由俄克拉荷马州诺曼市 KGOU 的 Scott Gurian 整理而成。
Well, our program was produced today by our senior producer, Julie Snyder, with Alex Blumberg, Jane Feltes, John Jeter, Sarah Koenig, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由我们的高级制片人 Julie Snyder 与 Alex Blumberg、Jane Feltes、John Jeter、Sarah Koenig、Lisa Pollak、Robyn Semien、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 共同制作。
Adrianne Mathiowetz runs our website.
阿德琳娜·马修韦茨 (Adrianne Mathiowetz) 负责运营我们的网站。
Production help from Seth Lind and Bruce Wallace.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 和布鲁斯·华莱士 (Bruce Wallace) 为制作提供帮助。
Music help from Jessica Hopper.
杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website, where you can get our free weekly podcast, or listen to any of our old programs for absolutely free, www.thisamericanlife.org.
[鸣谢] 我们的网站 www.thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中获取我们的免费每周播客，或完全免费收听我们的任何旧节目。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Torey Malatia.
[资金来源] 我们的老板 Torey Malatia 对我们的项目进行 WBEZ 管理监督。
Every time he hands me my paycheck, he has very helpful advice about how I should spend that money.
每次他递给我薪水时，他都会对我应该如何花这笔钱提出非常有用的建议。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。