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Prologue Ira Glass Sure, the Democrats are doing great in the polls this week, but to consider where they are as a party, consider please the case of Joe Cabazuela, a middle class guy, used to vote Democratic, lives in San Diego, in a state that the Democrats have to take if they're going to take the White House.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 当然，民主党在本周的民意调查中表现出色，但考虑到他们作为一个政党的地位，请考虑一下乔·卡巴苏埃拉（Joe Cabazuela）的例子，他是一位中产阶级，曾经投票给民主党，住在圣地亚哥，如果民主党要入主白宫，就必须进入这个州。
And let's begin with this fact about him.
让我们从关于他的事实开始。
Although his parents emigrated from Mexico and eventually became citizens, he says that his entire family is in favor of proposition 187, the law that would deny public services to illegal aliens, no public schooling, no social services.
尽管他的父母从墨西哥移民并最终成为公民，但他说他的整个家庭都支持187号提案，该法律将拒绝向非法外国人提供公共服务，禁止公立学校教育，禁止提供社会服务。
To me, I don't think they should get a free education.
对我来说，我认为他们不应该接受免费教育。
If they want an education, they want to come over here, let them pay for it.
如果他们想要接受教育，他们想来这里，让他们付费。
Me, as a Mexican-American, I cannot go over there and get it.
我，作为一个墨西哥裔美国人，我不能去那里得到它。
Their government is not supplying the needs of the people over there.
他们的政府没有满足那里人民的需求。
That's why they're coming over here, because this government's giving it away free.
这就是他们来这里的原因，因为这个政府免费赠送它。
Charge them for it.
向他们收取费用。
That's the way I see it.
我就是这么看的。
He says he voted Democratic most his life.
他说他一生中大部分时间都投票给民主党。
And then, when George Bush ran for president, he just started seeing things differently.
然后，当乔治·布什竞选总统时，他开始以不同的方式看待事物。
And although he, himself, had been on and off welfare a couple times, and although his daughter has been on welfare for five years herself, what the Republicans were saying, especially about welfare, made a lot of sense to him.
尽管他本人曾多次领取福利金，也曾多次领取福利金，而且他的女儿也已经领取福利金五年了，但共和党人的言论，尤其是有关福利的言论，对他来说很有意义。
Because I could be on disability if I wanted to.
因为如果我愿意的话，我可以成为残疾人。
Because of my legs I am disabled.
因为我的双腿，我是残疾的。
I've had three surgeries.
我已经做过三次手术了。
But I refuse to sit at home and watch TV and collect a monthly check.
但我拒绝坐在家里看电视并领取每月的支票。
That's not me.
那不是我。
I believe that that's what made this country great, is the fact that we can work.
我相信，这就是这个国家变得伟大的原因，因为我们可以工作。
The Republicans seem to share these middle class values.
共和党人似乎也认同这些中产阶级价值观。
When I asked him if he liked any of the things that Democrats stood for, he paused a long, long time.
当我问他是否喜欢民主党所代表的任何东西时，他停顿了很长一段时间。
And then finally he said--
最后他说——
Well, what do they stand for?
那么，它们代表什么？
Women in the military.
军队中的女性。
Gay rights.
同性恋权利。
It wasn't that he disagreed with them.
这并不是说他不同意他们的观点。
It's that they seem to stand for nothing, which brings us to the topic at hand-- this week's Democratic National Convention.
它们似乎毫无意义，这让我们想到了手头的话题——本周的民主党全国代表大会。
Delegates had been instructed that when they talked to the press, they were to talk about the three big themes-- three big themes, I should say, designed precisely to win over voters like Joe Cabazuela.
代表们被指示，当他们与媒体交谈时，他们要谈论三大主题——我应该说，这三大主题正是为了赢得像乔·卡巴苏埃拉这样的选民而设计的。
We have been told that we should be emphasizing the themes of opportunity, responsibility, and community.
我们被告知，我们应该强调机会、责任和社区的主题。
But these themes are so vague.
但这些主题是如此模糊。
It's so vague.
太模糊了。
Anything could be community, opportunity, and responsibility.
任何事物都可以是社区、机会和责任。
I mean, those could be the Republican themes.
我的意思是，这些可能是共和党的主题。
That's true.
这是真的。
That's true.
这是真的。
Ira Glass In fact, this woman, Ruth Horowitz, told me that her delegation, which was from Vermont, had been playing this little game with the theme.
艾拉·格拉斯 事实上，这位女士，露丝·霍洛维茨，告诉我，她来自佛蒙特州的代表团一直在玩这个主题的小游戏。
The way that it worked is that you'd try to make up a sentence using all the three words, and then you'd try to work that sentence into everyday conversation.
它的工作原理是，您尝试使用所有三个单词组成一个句子，然后尝试将该句子应用到日常对话中。
So for example, if you're getting into the cab, you say something like, I feel it's my responsibility as a member of this community to give you the opportunity to get in first.
例如，如果您要进入出租车，您可以这样说：我觉得作为这个社区的一员，我有责任为您提供先上车的机会。
In a certain way, this was not that different from what people were trying to do in seriousness.
从某种意义上来说，这与人们认真地尝试做的事情并没有什么不同。
Several people went through the motions for me of trying to express their beliefs in terms of the three big themes.
有几个人向我走过场，试图表达他们对三大主题的信念。
But it always had the air of somebody fulfilling a ninth-grade essay topic.
但它总是给人一种完成九年级论文题目的感觉。
It never had the directness and conviction that the Republican delegates in San Diego had when they talked to me about their very concrete goals-- 50% tax cut, banning abortion, getting school vouchers, stuff like that.
它从来没有圣地亚哥的共和党代表在向我谈论他们非常具体的目标时那样的直接和坚定——减税50%、禁止堕胎、获得学券，诸如此类。
And it's hard to imagine Joe Cabazuela would have been satisfied with what he heard among the Democrats.
很难想象乔·卡巴苏埃拉会对他在民主党中听到的内容感到满意。
Well, I don't know if I can find a fancy way to say this, but from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life .
好吧，我不知道我是否能找到一种奇特的方式来表达这一点，但来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，它是《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week, we bring you stories from a variety of writers and performers on some topic.
每周，我们都会为您带来各种作家和表演者关于某个主题的故事。
In this hour, today, stories from the Democratic Convention you probably have not heard elsewhere, and how did the Democrats communicate what they stand for?
在今天的这个时刻，您可能在其他地方没有听过民主党全国代表大会的故事，民主党是如何传达他们的立场的？
Act One, A Little Tour Inside the Message Machine.
第一幕，消息机器内部的小参观。
Act Two, the latest installment of Michael Lewis' Campaign Diaries.
第二幕，迈克尔·刘易斯竞选日记的最新一期。
This week-- Michael makes Al Gore nervous.
本周——迈克尔让阿尔·戈尔感到紧张。
Act Three, this act, you may remember a bestselling book from a few years ago called There Are No Children Here by a writer named Alex Kotlowitz.
第三幕，这一幕，你可能还记得几年前一位名叫亚历克斯·科特洛维茨（Alex Kotlowitz）的作家写的一本畅销书《这里没有孩子》。
There was a Oprah Winfrey movie of this.
奥普拉·温弗瑞 (Oprah Winfrey) 有一部关于此的电影。
It was about two boys growing up in Chicago's Henry Horner public housing projects.
这是关于两个男孩在芝加哥亨利·霍纳公共住房项目中长大的故事。
Well, those projects are the projects that are directly across the street from the Democratic Convention.
嗯，这些项目就是民主党代表大会街对面的项目。
And one of the kids from that book, who's now grown up, gives us a tour.
那本书中的一个孩子现在已经长大了，带我们参观了一下。
There's been some superficial cleaning up for the convention, you've probably heard, but there's a way more profound and interesting change going on in the neighborhood as well.
您可能听说过，大会进行了一些表面的清理工作，但附近地区也正在发生更深刻、更有趣的变化。
Act Four, webmaster and Beverly Hills, 90201 expert, Danny Drennan on the convention, and more.
第四幕，网站管理员和比佛利山庄、90201 专家、大会上的丹尼·德伦南 (Danny Drennan) 等等。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One.
第一幕。
Two days before the Republican Convention started, security was already very tight.
共和党大会开始前两天，安全措施已经非常严密。
Two days before the Democratic Convention, it was still possible just to breeze into the hall, walk into all the hidden corridors, go straight to the makeup room, to the speech writers' room, to the sign rooms, which are basically these big freezers filled with pre-printed signs for the pre-planned floor demonstrations.
在民主党大会召开的前两天，仍然可以轻而易举地走进大厅，走进所有隐藏的走廊，直接去化妆间、演讲稿撰写室、标牌室，这些基本上就是这些大冰柜，里面装满了预先印制的标牌，用于预先计划的楼层演示。
They said stuff like "The Brady Bill," "10 Million New Jobs," "Protecting Education."
他们说了诸如“布雷迪法案”、“一千万个新就业机会”、“保护教育”之类的话。
Late Saturday night, senator Barbara Boxer came into the mostly empty hall with a few aides, just to check it out.
周六深夜，参议员芭芭拉·博克瑟(Barbara Boxer)带着几名助手来到几乎空无一人的大厅，只是为了查看情况。
The wall of TV screens that's behind the podium had no images on them before she stepped on the dais.
在她走上讲台之前，讲台后面的电视屏幕墙上没有任何图像。
And then, as if activated by the mere presence of a United States senator, they filled with heartwarming black-and-white images of everyday Americans.
然后，就像是因为美国参议员的存在而被激活一样，它们充满了普通美国人的温馨黑白图像。
Most of the other people in the hall to witness this were balloon wranglers.
大厅里目睹这一切的其他大多数人都是气球牧人。
One of the problems of trying to report on these conventions over a television and radio is that it's hard to convey the sheer size of what they're about, the hundreds of lavish parties each day, the millions of dollars of TV studios and offices bought and brought in just for this occasion, an Olympic village of these in trailers outside the hall, which all get torn down after four days.
试图通过电视和广播报道这些大会的问题之一是，很难传达它们的规模，每天数百场奢华的派对，专为这次活动购买和引进的价值数百万美元的电视演播室和办公室，会场外的拖车里的奥运村，四天后全部被拆除。
So to get a sense of the scale of this, let's just take one small aspect of it, and let's take the balloon drop.
因此，为了了解其规模，我们只看其中的一个小方面，比如气球坠落。
150,000 balloons, in bags of 1,000 balloons each, they get hoisted slowly up to the ceiling of the United Center.
150,000 个气球，每袋 1,000 个气球，它们被缓慢地升到联合中心的天花板上。
This is the second biggest balloon drop ever, according to Tanzi Lewis, who's one of the minority contractors who got the contract to do the drop.
坦齐·刘易斯（Tanzi Lewis）是获得空投合同的少数承包商之一，他表示，这是有史以来第二大气球空投。
What's the next biggest job you've done to this job?
除了这份工作之外，你做过的下一个最重要的工作是什么？
To be honest, my largest odd-job was at the Taste of Chicago this summer.
说实话，我最大的零工是今年夏天的芝加哥美食节。
How many balloons was that?
那是多少个气球？
Tanzi Lewis That consisted of only 1,000 balloons.
Tanzi Lewis 那只由 1,000 个气球组成。
So that's just the number of balloons in one of these bags.
这就是其中一个袋子里气球的数量。
That's correct.
这是正确的。
Ira Glass It took 150 people four days and nights to fill the balloons.
Ira Glass 150 人花了四天四夜才将气球充满。
They did it at Malcolm X College, which is just two blocks from the convention site.
他们在距离会议场地仅两个街区的马尔科姆 X 学院进行了这项活动。
One can only imagine what Malcolm X would have said about all this.
人们只能想象马尔科姆·X 对这一切会说些什么。
Upstairs in the school, "By Any Means Necessary" is painted on the wall.
学校楼上的墙上写着“不惜一切代价”。
Downstairs, 150 people were filling balloons to celebrate Bill Clinton, loading those into huge nets, each 40 feet long.
楼下，150 人正在给气球充气以庆祝比尔·克林顿 (Bill Clinton)，并将气球装入每个 40 英尺长的巨大网中。
If you picture a bag that you could drive three pickup trucks into, you've pretty much got the idea of what one of these things look like.
如果您想象一个可以容纳三辆皮卡的包，那么您就差不多知道其中一个东西是什么样子了。
And 11 of them, filled with red, white, and blue balloons, lay on the floor of the gymnasium.
其中11个气球，装满了红、白、蓝气球，躺在体育馆的地板上。
The air was thick with the plastic, powdery smell of balloons.
空气中弥漫着气球的塑料粉末味。
There's a sentence you don't get to say very often.
有一句话你不常说。
Take, twist, turn, in the net.
取、扭、转、入网。
Take, twist, not in the net.
取、捻、不中网。
What is that, athletic tape around your fingers?
手指上缠着的运动胶带是什么？
Right, to keep it from burning, because after a while your fingers start to burn.
是的，为了防止它被烧伤，因为过了一会儿你的手指就开始烧伤。
You get, like, a blister.
你会得到一个水泡。
Surprisingly, even here, in Democratic Chicago, in a roomful of people preparing a big party for Bill Clinton, people who don't even know if they're going to get paid for their work, feelings about the president were tepid.
令人惊讶的是，即使在这里，在民主党的芝加哥，一屋子的人正在为比尔·克林顿准备一场盛大的聚会，人们甚至不知道自己的工作是否会得到报酬，对总统的感情却并不冷淡。
Now, are you a big President Clinton supporter?
现在，您是克林顿总统的忠实支持者吗？
No. I mean, I support him because he's the president, but I'm voting for Dole.
不，我的意思是，我支持他，因为他是总统，但我投票给多尔。
How come?
怎么会？
Woman Because I am a born-again Christian, and I don't believe in abortion, and I don't believe in certain things that President Clinton is for.
女人因为我是一名重生的基督徒，我不相信堕胎，我也不相信克林顿总统所主张的某些事情。
America is turning away from God.
美国正在远离上帝。
And so, therefore, the God is turning from America.
因此，上帝正在远离美国。
And I really do.
我确实这么做了。
And that's why you're having high crime rates.
这就是犯罪率高的原因。
Across the room, 11-year-old Jaris King and two other people hoist a 40-foot-long bag of balloons over their heads and carry it out into the hallway.
房间另一边，11 岁的贾里斯·金 (Jaris King) 和另外两个人将一袋 40 英尺长的气球举过头顶，然后带到走廊上。
And Jaris declares, to no one in particular--
贾里斯宣称，没有特别向任何人——
It does kind of look like a job for the smurfs.
这看起来确实有点像蓝精灵的工作。
The balloons are carried down the hall, up a stairway, around a series of tight turns and doorways, out onto a loading dock, and over two blocks on Damen to the convention building, where they're checked by the Secret Service, and then lifted up to the ceiling.
气球沿着大厅，爬上楼梯，绕过一系列急转弯和门口，到达装卸码头，穿过达门的两个街区到达会议大楼，在那里由特勤局检查，然后升到天花板。
There's three days of work for a few seconds of special effects.
为了几秒钟的特效，花了三天的时间。
And it doesn't really make sense, but we gotta do it anyway.
这确实没有意义，但无论如何我们都必须这样做。
Of course, there has to be a balloon drop.
当然，还得有气球掉落。
It's the kiss at the end of the wedding.
这是婚礼结束时的吻。
It's the money shot.
就是花钱打的
Democrats all, delegates, alternates, friends, families, on to victory in '96, welcome to this issues forum, this overview.
全体民主党人、代表、候补议员、朋友、家人，为了 96 年的胜利，欢迎来到这个问题论坛，这篇概述。
We've got several speakers today describing what the winning strategy is for the Democrats, and to arm us so we go out for doing battle.
今天有几位发言者描述了民主党的制胜策略，并武装我们，以便我们出去战斗。
I'm Heather Booth, the training director of the Democratic National Committee.
我是希瑟·布斯，民主党全国委员会的培训主任。
[APPLAUSE] Ira Glass Every day, the DNC held these morning seminars.
[掌声] Ira Glass 民主党全国委员会每天都会举行这些早间研讨会。
They combine practical information about campaign law, the latest talking points on issues, speakers, like campaign strategist James Carville, who used a mix of truths, half-truths, and, I have to say, real whoppers to inspire the party faithful.
它们结合了有关竞选法的实用信息、有关问题的最新谈话要点、演讲者，例如竞选策略师詹姆斯·卡维尔，他使用了真理、半真半假的混合体，以及我不得不说的真正的弥天大谎来激励党内的忠实信徒。
And I love when the Republicans and Bob Dole say, "Well, the teachers are all for the Democrats." OK, yeah, the teachers are for the Democrats.
我喜欢共和党人和鲍勃·多尔说：“嗯，老师们都支持民主党。”好吧，是的，老师们都是民主党的。
The tobacco companies are for the Republicans.
烟草公司是为共和党服务的。
Now, I got a question for ya.
现在，我有一个问题要问你。
When your kids grows up, what would you rather do, be a teacher or smoke cigarettes?
当你的孩子长大后，你更愿意做什么，当老师还是抽烟？
[LAUGHTER] Ira Glass In fact, the tobacco companies sponsor both political parties, and that support included sponsorship of a number of events at this very convention.
[笑声] Ira Glass 事实上，烟草公司赞助了两个政党，这种支持包括赞助这次大会上的许多活动。
After Carville, Congressman Steny Hoyer presented a series of charts and graphs on overhead slides to make the case for how the Democrats could take 20 new seats in the House of Representatives, which would give them the House majority, and knock Newt Gingrich out of the speaker's chair.
卡维尔之后，国会议员斯坦尼·霍耶在幻灯片上展示了一系列图表和图表，以说明民主党如何在众议院获得 20 个新席位，从而获得众议院多数席位，并将纽特·金里奇从议长席位上赶下来。
Now, this is the important point, because I want all of you to believe, deeply ingrained, intellectually and emotionally, when you go back to your states, Hoyer was right, we can win back the House of Representatives.
现在，这是重要的一点，因为我希望你们所有人在智力和情感上都根深蒂固地相信，当你们回到自己的州时，霍耶是对的，我们可以赢回众议院。
Republicans currently hold 28 seats that traditionally perform Democratically.
共和党目前拥有 28 个传统上民主党的席位。
These are Democratic seats.
这些是民主党席位。
We oughta have 'em.
我们应该拥有它们。
Republicans hold 77 seats that Clinton won.
共和党拥有 77 个席位，克林顿赢得了这一席位。
33 of these Republican seats belong to freshmen who came in with less than 55% of the vote.
其中 33 个共和党席位属于得票率低于 55% 的新生。
It was one chart after another, each with a climbing upward yellow arrow.
这是一张又一张的图表，每张图表都有一个向上攀爬的黄色箭头。
When it came to the part of the presentation where Congressman Hoyer had to name actual races that were in the bag, he could only name five or six.
当霍耶议员在演讲中必须说出囊中的实际比赛名称时，他只能说出五到六场比赛。
If you ask nonpartisan experts who follow this kind of thing, like Charles Cook, who publishes a well-known Washington newsletter called Cook's Political Report , they put the Democrats' chances of taking back the House this way.
如果你问关注此类事情的无党派专家，比如查尔斯·库克（Charles Cook），他出版了一份著名的华盛顿时事通讯，名为《库克的政治报告》，他们会这样认为民主党夺回众议院的机会。
I think Democrats have about a 30% or 40% chance of getting the House back, but that's down from about 50%, 40% or 50% maybe a month or so ago.
我认为民主党有大约 30% 或 40% 的机会夺回众议院席位，但这比大约一个月前的 50%、40% 或 50% 有所下降。
One of the questions we're watching very carefully is something called the Generic Congressional Ballot test.
我们正在非常仔细地关注的问题之一是所谓的通用国会选票测试。
It's when you ask, if the election were held today, would you vote for the Democratic candidate for Congress or Republican candidate?
当你问，如果今天举行选举，你会投票给民主党国会候选人还是共和党候选人？
And we were seeing Democrats with a six-, seven-, even eight-point lead on a lot of polls late June, early July.
我们看到民主党在 6 月底、7 月初的许多民意调查中领先 6 个、7 个甚至 8 个百分点。
And at that level, it was roughly a tidal wave of the magnitude that you saw Republicans win in 1994.
在那个水平上，这大致相当于共和党在 1994 年获胜的规模。
Today, it's down at the two- or three-point range, which is right about at the edge of what they need to to get that House back.
今天，它已经下降到两分或三分的范围内，这正好处于他们夺回众议院所需的边缘。
Interestingly, Mr. Cook was one of the experts Congressman Hoyer cited, but when Congressman Hoyer quoted him, it was to support the case that a Democratic sweep was imminent.
有趣的是，库克先生是霍耶议员引用的专家之一，但当霍耶议员引用他的话时，是为了支持民主党即将大获全胜的论点。
In the convention hall, the rule of thumb is that the fewer colorful buttons someone wears, the more important they are.
在会议厅里，经验法则是，佩戴的彩色纽扣越少，它们就越重要。
You probably also didn't see this at home-- but does everybody know this-- periodically throughout the convention, everyone on the floor would stop the business of politics and just do the Macarena.
你可能在家里也没有看到这一点——但每个人都知道这一点——在整个大会期间，会场上的每个人都会定期停止政治事务，只做马卡雷纳舞。
It happened over and over.
这种事一再发生。
The Macarena is the official song of the Democratic National Convention.
《Macarena》是民主党全国代表大会的官方歌曲。
A political convention like this essentially has to solve a theatrical problem, how to take an ordinary person and make him seem larger than life.
像这样的政治大会本质上必须解决一个戏剧问题，如何让一个普通人看起来比生活更伟大。
And that problem is compounded in the age of television, because who could we possibly know more intimately then we know Bill Clinton.
在电视时代，这个问题变得更加复杂，因为我们对谁的了解可能比我们对比尔·克林顿的了解更深入。
He's in our homes every day on television.
他每天都出现在我们家的电视节目中。
We've heard about his sex life.
我们听说过他的性生活。
We've heard about his finances.
我们听说过他的财务状况。
We've heard about his bad investments.
我们听说过他的糟糕投资。
We know his ideas.
我们知道他的想法。
We know what he eats.
我们知道他吃什么。
We know what the man wears jogging.
我们知道男人慢跑时穿什么。
I mean, do you know what your friends wear jogging?
我的意思是，你知道你的朋友慢跑时穿什么吗？
Justin Hayford attended the Convention for American Theater.
贾斯汀·海福德出席了美国戏剧大会。
And he said to make him seem larger than life in this setting, they used one of the oldest tricks in the book, and that is the long, slow arrival.
他说，为了让他在这个场景中显得比现实更伟大，他们使用了书中最古老的技巧之一，那就是漫长而缓慢的到达。
You know, where the person's constantly being announced.
你知道，这个人不断被宣布。
We're constantly hearing word of the great man's imminent arrival.
我们不断听到这位伟人即将到来的消息。
And of course, there was the train trip, the 1,800-mile mile train trip.
当然，还有火车旅行，1,800 英里的火车旅行。
That's gorgeous, because the most postmodern element about this convention is the performance of absence, that they are working extremely hard to make his absence a sort of ache, a longing for this man.
这太棒了，因为这次大会最后现代的元素是缺席的表现，他们正在极其努力地让他的缺席成为一种痛苦，一种对这个人的渴望。
And so, from the very first day, there are train updates.
因此，从第一天起，就有列车更新。
I don't know if these ended up on television or not, but there are train updates where they cut away on the large video screen to a little schematic map of his 1,800-mile train route, going through the Heartland, of course.
我不知道这些是否最终出现在电视上，但是有火车更新，他们在大视频屏幕上切出了他 1,800 英里火车路线的小示意图，当然，穿过中心地带。
And they would say, and here's a live shot of his train pulling into Lindley, Ohio or somewhere.
他们会说，这是他的火车驶入俄亥俄州林德利或其他地方的实时镜头。
And you see a train going by.
你看到一列火车经过。
And people cheer as though they haven't seen a train before.
人们欢呼雀跃，就好像他们以前从未见过火车一样。
And so he's getting closer and closer, and the gospel choir comes out and they sing, "If you want him, if you need him, if you adore him, shout yes." And they never mention who him is, so one must assume it's the president.
于是他越来越近了，福音唱诗班出来了，他们唱道：“如果你想要他，如果你需要他，如果你崇拜他，就喊‘是’。”他们从来没有提到他是谁，所以人们必须假设他是总统。
So we're following his progress.
所以我们正在关注他的进展。
I thought he was going to sail across the lake, is what I had heard, which I thought was a sort of beautiful, Cleopatraesque move, like coming in on a great golden barge, but he didn't.
我以为他要航行过湖，这是我所听到的，我认为这是一种美丽的、克利奥帕特拉式的举动，就像乘坐一艘巨大的金色驳船进来一样，但他没有。
He came in by helicopter, which is quite an entrance.
他是乘坐直升机进来的，入口相当不错。
And then Daley said, "Mr. President, we've waited four days to see you." Which I thought was the ultimate capper to that entrance, which is, we're dying for your presence, we are dying to eat you with our eyes, as though we haven't for the last four years.
然后戴利说：“总统先生，我们等了四天才见到您。”我认为这就是那个入口的终极限制，那就是，我们渴望你的存在，我们渴望用我们的眼睛吃掉你，就好像我们在过去的四年里没有这样做过一样。
Every intimate detail of his life, we've seen.
我们已经看到了他生活中的每一个亲密细节。
So in the hall, did this create an aching desire to see the president?
那么，在大厅里，这是否引起了想要见到总统的强烈渴望？
Well, Justin Hayford says that on the first day, with the first train update--
好吧，贾斯汀·海福德说，在第一天，随着第一次列车更新——
People screamed like it was David Bowie or something.
人们尖叫起来，就像是大卫·鲍伊之类的。
And yesterday, I was there in the afternoon, and they did the same thing.
昨天下午我在那里，他们也做了同样的事情。
It was the newest train update, and nobody paid any attention to it.
这是最新的火车更新，没有人关注它。
Of course, he says, when Bill Clinton finally did appear in person, by that point, he had appeared so many times in the hall on video, that there was something kind of thrilling to see him in person.
当然，他说，当比尔·克林顿最终亲自露面时，他已经在视频中多次出现在大厅里，见到他本人真是令人兴奋。
You know, you're so used to him on television,.
你知道，你已经习惯了他出现在电视上。
And in the age of television, that is the rarest thing of all, to see the man live.
在电视时代，看到这个人的直播是最稀有的事情。
And the theater of it is really hard to beat.
它的戏剧性真的很难被击败。
[SINGING] You are so nice to me.
[唱歌]你对我真好。
You are on my side.
你是我这边的。
You are the man with the Midas touch.
你是具有点石成金之道的人。
You are on my side with the Midas touch.
你以点石成金的方式站在我这一边。
Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton.
比尔·克林顿，比尔·克林顿，比尔·克林顿，比尔·克林顿。
You are the man who has the plans.
你是一个有计划的人。
You have the ability to put people to work.
你有能力让人们工作。
You are the President of the United States.
你是美国总统。
I'm just going to stop the song right there.
我要就此停止这首歌。
That is my favorite line in this song, and maybe in almost any song.
这是这首歌中我最喜欢的台词，也许是几乎所有歌曲中的台词。
OK, here's your writing assignment.
好的，这是你的写作作业。
You want to write a song about the president.
你想写一首关于总统的歌。
This, by the way, is Wesley Willis, a local Chicago artist.
顺便说一句，这是韦斯利·威利斯，一位芝加哥当地艺术家。
So what are you go to say?
那么你要说什么？
Well, you know, you can kind of run out of things of inspiration, so then you can just going into just straight factual mode.
嗯，你知道，你可能会耗尽灵感，所以你就可以直接进入事实模式。
You are the President of the United States.
你是美国总统。
[SINGING] You are the man who has the plans.
[唱歌]你是一个有计划的人。
You have the ability to put people to work.
你有能力让人们工作。
You are the President of the United States.
你是美国总统。
I like you a lot and I will award you.
我非常喜欢你，我会奖赏你。
Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton.
比尔·克林顿，比尔·克林顿，比尔·克林顿，比尔·克林顿。
Act Two, No Show.
第二幕，没有出现。
15,000 members of the press were here in Chicago for the convention.
15,000 名新闻界人士来到芝加哥参加这次大会。
And, well, you probably have guessed that political conventions are a big reunion for party regulars of the two major political parties.
而且，你可能已经猜到，政治大会是两大政党常客的一次盛大聚会。
And unless you think about it, you might not realize that, for many reporters, it's also a big reunion.
除非你认真思考，否则你可能不会意识到，对于许多记者来说，这也是一次大聚会。
I saw people at the convention who I have not seen in years.
我在大会上见到了多年未见的人们。
And that was true in San Diego as well.
在圣地亚哥也是如此。
So what do people talk about at these very high-powered media events?
那么人们在这些影响力很大的媒体活动中谈论什么呢？
Well, as far as I can tell, it's a little politics, a lot of gossip.
嗯，据我所知，这有点政治，有很多八卦。
And then, the other night, I was with some friends visiting from New York City to cover the convention, and my friends from New York got into this conversation that was so strange to me that, at some point, I pulled out my tape recorder and just started taping them.
然后，有一天晚上，我和一些从纽约来的朋友一起报道大会，我来自纽约的朋友们开始了这场对我来说很奇怪的谈话，以至于在某个时刻，我拿出录音机开始录音。
The conversation was about The New York Times .
谈话内容是关于《纽约时报》的。
And it began when one of the New Yorkers said, with pleasure, with a kind of intense pleasure, actually, that the Times arrives at 7:00 in the morning at the hotel.
事情开始于一名纽约人愉快地、实际上是一种强烈的愉快地说，《纽约时报》早上 7:00 到达酒店。
She sort of announced this.
她好像宣布了这一点。
At home, she gets the Times at 5:30, which is better, of course, but 7:00 was still just very, very good, above the sort of standard that they were all used to when they travel around in hotels.
在家里，她在 5:30 收到《泰晤士报》，这当然更好，但 7:00 仍然非常非常好，高于他们在酒店旅行时所习惯的标准。
Then all the New York media people started quizzing each other about The New York Times at length, in minute detail.
然后所有纽约媒体人开始互相详细地询问《纽约时报》的情况。
Chess columnists who'd gone on to other beats, and people who had moved to Atlanta and from Atlanta, people who I have never even heard of.
转向其他节拍的国际象棋专栏作家，以及搬到亚特兰大和从亚特兰大搬来的人，我什至从未听说过的人。
Who does his main beat is basically, like, feelings and psychology.
他的主要节奏基本上是感情和心理。
Oh, Gorman.
哦，戈尔曼。
Man 1 Yeah.
男人 1 是啊。
Wow, I thought--
哇，我想——
Do you know Gorman?
你认识戈尔曼吗？
Man 1 --that it'd be harder.
男人1——这会更难。
Who's the doctor columnist?
医生专栏作家是谁？
Medical?
医疗的？
Ah, what's his name?
啊，他叫什么名字？
Altman.
奥特曼。
Man 1 Who sometimes uses MD and then sometimes doesn't.
男人 1 有时使用 MD，有时不使用。
My more or less atheist friends from the liberal, elite media have the same relationship to The New York Times that certain Catholics have with the Vatican.
我来自自由派精英媒体的或多或少无神论者朋友与《纽约时报》的关系就像某些天主教徒与梵蒂冈的关系一样。
The Times speaks definitively.
《泰晤士报》的发言很明确。
They kneel before it.
他们跪在它面前。
They quibble with it.
他们对此争论不休。
They sneer.
他们冷笑。
I have to say, this was the most animated conversation they had all night, and it lasted, like half an hour.
不得不说，这是他们整个晚上最热闹的一次谈话，足足持续了半个小时。
I mean, at some point, I just had to say good night.
我的意思是，在某些时候，我不得不说晚安。
They could've kept going.
他们本来可以继续走下去。
OK, now, Steven I know knows this, so I'll just post it to the rest of you.
好的，现在，史蒂文我知道这一点，所以我将其发布给你们其他人。
Who is most likely, if it's discovered that there is or is not a god, who is most likely to have the story?
如果发现神存在或不存在，谁最有可能拥有这个故事？
Rosenthal.
罗森塔尔。
Man 2 No, there is one reporter who is the existential reporter for the Times.
男人 2 不，有一位记者是《泰晤士报》的存在主义记者。
There you have it, life in the fast lane.
就这样，生活在快车道上。
Overpriced drinks came from the hotel bar, went quickly onto some TV network's charge card.
价格过高的饮料来自酒店酒吧，很快就进入了一些电视网络的签帐卡。
Well, one reporter who was here with the 15,000 was Michael Lewis, who has been publishing his Campaign Diaries in The New Republic .
与 15,000 人一起到场的一位记者是迈克尔·刘易斯 (Michael Lewis)，他一直在《新共和国》上发表他的竞选日记。
I'm reading them from time to time on our very program.
我时常在我们的节目中阅读它们。
He's new to this whole pack journalism thing, and to political conventions.
他对整个新闻业和政治大会都是新手。
And here's the latest installment from his Campaign Diaries.
这是他的竞选日记的最新一期。
August the 19th, one moment I'm sleeping soundly in my hotel room in San Diego, the next the phone is ringing and a voice on the other end of the line is asking, "This is the Vice President's office, can you take the call?" Al Gore himself is on the line.
8月19日，我正在圣地亚哥的酒店房间里熟睡，紧接着电话铃声响起，电话那头的声音问道：“这里是副总统办公室，你能接听电话吗？”阿尔·戈尔本人也在电话中。
In a moment of weakness, thinking that maybe I should interview someone important, I had sent a message to Gore's office saying that I wanted to speak with him.
在一时的软弱中，我想也许我应该采访一个重要的人，于是我给戈尔的办公室发了一条消息，说我想和他谈谈。
I hardly expected him to take it seriously.
我几乎没想到他会认真对待这件事。
"It's nerve-racking getting a call from the Vice President," I say, pretending to be wide awake.
“接到副总统的电话真是让人伤脑筋，”我假装很清醒地说。
Gore chuckles unhappily.
戈尔不高兴地笑了笑。
I've made him uncomfortable.
我让他不舒服了。
"No, seriously," I say.
“不，说真的，”我说。
"This is the highest I've climbed in the world." This merely makes things worse.
“这是我爬过的世界最高高度。”这只会让事情变得更糟。
"I don't believe that at all," he says nervously, attempting to maneuver me back into some acceptable mode of political discourse.
“我根本不相信这一点，”他紧张地说，试图让我回到某种可以接受的政治话语模式。
"I have only five minutes to interview.
“我只有五分钟的采访时间。
Two of them are now gone."
其中两个现在已经消失了。”
Well, I'm sort of curious to know if Gore's environmentalism, as it appears, has vanished down the sinkhole of practical politics.
好吧，我有点好奇戈尔的环保主义是否已经消失在现实政治的深渊中。
But the Vice President's conversation is littered with "franklies," and "to be honest with you's," and "it is my understanding's," all of which translates into civilian English as, I'm never going to tell you the truth about anything, so why on earth are you asking?
但副总统的谈话充满了“坦白说”、“老实说”和“这是我的理解”，所有这些翻译成民用英语就是，我永远不会告诉你任何事情的真相，那么你到底为什么要问呢？
Before he hangs up, Gore tells me that, A, Americans truly are committed to nature, B, that he's not more intimidated having to debate Jack Kemp than having to debate, say, Connie Mack, and C, that the collection of speeches written by White House speech writers and now published as a book by Bill Clinton was penned entirely by Clinton himself.
挂断电话之前，戈尔告诉我，A，美国人真正致力于自然；B，他并不比与康妮·麦克辩论更害怕与杰克·坎普辩论；C，由白宫演讲撰稿人撰写、现在由比尔·克林顿出版的演讲集完全由克林顿本人撰写。
It is his understanding, Gore says.
戈尔说，这是他的理解。
August the 26th and 27th.
8月26日和27日。
Your first day at a convention is like your first day at school.
您参加大会的第一天就像您上学的第一天一样。
Upon seeing the hordes, your first instinct is that something important is happening, that everyone must know something you don't.
看到成群结队的人时，您的第一直觉是正在发生一些重要的事情，每个人都必须知道一些您不知道的事情。
For a few hours, I'm engaged in a wild, undignified scramble to find out what that something is.
在接下来的几个小时里，我疯狂地、毫无尊严地试图找出那是什么东西。
During this uncomfortable period, all sorts of information lands on my lap-- a stack of old articles from Chicago Magazine, drafts of speeches by retired congressmen, lists of delegates, stuff no one in his right mind would read.
在这段令人不安的时期，各种各样的信息落在我的腿上——一堆《芝加哥杂志》的旧文章、退休国会议员的演讲草稿、代表名单，这些东西是任何一个头脑清醒的人都不会读的。
But nothing can be ignored.
但没有什么是不能忽视的。
I even interview a delegate.
我什至采访了一位代表。
But then there is this tremendous noise on one side of the convention hall, a spontaneous outbreak of whistles and cheers that draws all the attention to the entrance beneath the Nevada delegation.
但随后会议厅的一侧传来了巨大的噪音，自发爆发的口哨声和欢呼声将所有的注意力都吸引到了内华达代表团下面的入口处。
The sound is exactly what you would expect if a billionaire was handing out sacks of cash, of if a woman were performing a striptease.
如果亿万富翁正在分发一袋袋现金，或者如果一个女人正在表演脱衣舞，那么这种声音正是您所期望的。
Here, I think, is clearly where the action is.
我认为，这显然就是行动所在。
I plow through the crowd to find out what it is.
我穿过人群想找出那是什么。
It is Al Gore.
他是阿尔·戈尔。
A normal person might well wonder what 15,000 journalists are doing covering an event of dubious importance.
一个普通人很可能想知道 15,000 名记者在报道一个重要性可疑的事件时在做什么。
It's not an easy question to answer.
这不是一个容易回答的问题。
The journalists who write about other journalists, like Howie Kurtz of the Washington Post , write about the futility of being a journalist at the Democratic Convention.
那些写其他记者的记者，比如《华盛顿邮报》的豪伊·库尔茨，写的是在民主党全国代表大会上作为记者的徒劳。
The Post , I'm told, has sent the same number of people here as they have in all their foreign bureaus combined.
据我所知，《华盛顿邮报》派往这里的人员数量与所有驻外分社派出的人员数量总和相同。
The famous journalists invert their occupation and give interviews to other journalists.
著名记者颠倒自己的职业，采访其他记者。
The rest of us are resigned to finding some nugget slightly different from the nuggets of others.
我们其他人只能找到一些与其他人的金块略有不同的金块。
It turns out few of the journalists actually attend the convention, except during prime time.
事实证明，除了黄金时段外，很少有记者真正参加大会。
The journalists remain in their tents outside the United Center.
记者们留在联合中心外的帐篷里。
In the first two days, between 3:30 in the afternoon and 7:00 at night, maybe a few dozen people pass through the section of the hall reserved for the periodical press.
头两天，下午3:30到晚上7:00之间，大厅里为期刊出版社预留的区域可能有几十人经过。
This is a shame, because the best time to be in the hall is when no one is paying much attention.
这是一种耻辱，因为在大厅里的最佳时间是没有人注意的时候。
For example, Hillary Clinton pops in mid-afternoon to check the mic levels and the height of her podium.
例如，希拉里·克林顿 (Hillary Clinton) 会在下午三点左右检查麦克风音量和讲台的高度。
She steps up in her pink suit, and when she sees that the podium is too high, kicks off her pink heels.
她穿着粉红色的西装走上讲台，当她看到讲台太高时，就踢掉了粉红色的高跟鞋。
She stands there girlishly in her stockinged feet, asking too many questions of the men around here.
她穿着袜子，像个少女一样站在那里，向周围的男人问了太多问题。
And you can see that, like everyone else who plays her adamantine role, she is far more vulnerable than she lets on.
你可以看到，就像其他扮演她坚定角色的人一样，她比她表现出来的要脆弱得多。
Later I hear from one of her speech writers that she's as nervous as she looks.
后来我从她的一位演讲撰稿人那里听说，她就像她看起来一样紧张。
It's her first speech in prime time.
这是她第一次在黄金时段发表演讲。
Even after the convention begins, no one pays it much heed.
即使在大会开始后，也没有人过多关注。
And so, when Dick Gephardt speaks, I'm able to crawl right up behind him on the platform and see what life looks like from the speaker's point of view.
因此，当迪克·格普哈特（Dick Gephardt）讲话时，我能够在讲台上爬到他身后，从讲话者的角度看看生活是什么样子。
Essentially, life looks predetermined.
从本质上讲，生活看起来是预定的。
The speaker stares into four teleprompters, one at his left shoulder, another at his right shoulder, a third mounted straight ahead of him across the hall just beneath the cameras, so that he can appear to be looking at you when you're watching him on TV.
演讲者凝视着四个提词器，一个在他的左肩，另一个在他的右肩，第三个则安装在他正前方，穿过大厅，就在摄像机下方，这样当你在电视上观看他时，他就可以看起来正在看着你。
The fourth is embedded into the podium, just above his navel.
第四个嵌入讲台上，就在他的肚脐上方。
Gephardt's speech, in letters four inches high, like the text of a book for the elderly, scrolls gently across.
格普哈特的演讲用四英寸高的字母书写，就像一本写给老人的书一样，轻轻地滚动着。
Gephardt has only to swivel back and forth between the teleprompters and pretend not to be reading word for word, which he is.
格普哈特只需在提词器之间来回旋转，假装没有逐字逐句地朗读，而他确实是这样。
"We meet here to offer a vision, not just a show for television," he is saying.
“我们在这里聚会是为了提供一个愿景，而不仅仅是电视节目，”他说。
No wonder no one listens.
难怪没人听。
Part of the thrill of watching a public speaker lies in the risk the speaker takes in putting himself before you.
观看公开演讲的乐趣部分在于演讲者冒着把自己摆在你面前的风险。
Jesse Jackson, for one, understands this.
杰西·杰克逊（Jesse Jackson）就明白这一点。
In the first two days, he alone shuts down the teleprompters and speaks from loose notes.
头两天，他独自关掉提词器，用松散的笔记说话。
And he alone fully engages the crowd.
他一个人就完全吸引了人群。
Interestingly, the moment he first brings the crowd to its feet is just the moment that he leaves his notes.
有趣的是，他第一次让人群站起来的那一刻正是他留下笔记的那一刻。
But Jackson is the exception.
但杰克逊是个例外。
The average convention speech arises not out of the need of the speaker to say something important, but out of the speaker's desire to have delivered a speech at the convention.
一般的大会演讲并不是出于演讲者需要说一些重要的事情，而是出于演讲者希望在大会上发表演讲的愿望。
Its purpose, from the speaker's point of view, is to establish his position in the official structure of the Democratic Party.
从议长的角度来看，其目的是确立他在民主党官方结构中的地位。
The big exception are the speeches designed to make people cry-- Ron Brown's widow, Jim Brady's wife, and Christopher Reeve are, of course, well-known victims.
最大的例外是那些旨在让人哭泣的演讲——罗恩·布朗的遗孀、吉姆·布雷迪的妻子和克里斯托弗·里夫当然都是众所周知的受害者。
The speeches delivered by relative unknowns in the wee hours of the afternoon contain wagon-loads more of the same bathos.
下午凌晨，相对不知名的人发表的演讲包含了更多相同的内容。
Here is a representative sample of opening lines, snatched in a single pass at the press table.
这是开场白的代表性样本，是在新闻台上一次性抓取的。
"As the father of a child brutally murdered by a habitual violent criminal--" "As many of you know, my husband was a former tobacco lobbyist who died this past March." "December 7, 1993, that was the day a man with a semiautomatic weapon boarded the train.
“作为一个被惯犯暴力谋杀的孩子的父亲——”“正如你们很多人所知，我的丈夫是一名前烟草游说者，于今年三月去世。” “1993年12月7日，这一天，一名携带半自动武器的男子登上了火车。
My husband was one of those killed."
我的丈夫是遇难者之一。”
By early in the second day, you can see that people's capacity to absorb bad news has dwindled to nothing.
到了第二天早些时候，你就可以看到人们吸收坏消息的能力已经下降到了零。
A pleasant middle-aged woman describes the recent death of her husband from lung cancer, for instance, and no one in the hall pays her any mind.
例如，一位和蔼可亲的中年妇女描述了她丈夫最近死于肺癌的情况，但大厅里没有人理会她。
It is an incongruous sight, a woman in bright yellow, on the verge of tears as she relates her tragic loss, over a loud hum from the audience below, most of which is engrossed in small talk and hot dogs.
这是一个不协调的景象，一个穿着亮黄色衣服的女人在讲述自己的悲惨损失时几乎要哭了，下面的观众大声喧哗，大多数人都全神贯注于闲聊和热狗。
Raising my binoculars-- necessary equipment here-- from the floor to the ceiling, I can't help but notice something.
当我把双筒望远镜——这里的必备装备——从地板举到天花板时，我不禁注意到了一些东西。
The higher you get, the whiter the people get.
越高，人就越白。
Almost all of the black people are on the floor.
几乎所有的黑人都倒在地上。
The faces in the sky boxes are lily white.
天空盒子里的脸都是百合花般的白色。
A nugget!
一块金块！
At the end of the first evening, I make my way up to the sky boxes.
第一个晚上结束时，我登上了天空包厢。
The sky boxes at the convention, it turns out, are much like the sky boxes at the Bulls games.
事实证明，大会上的天空包厢与公牛队比赛中的天空包厢非常相似。
They've been reserved for the rich people and their companies who can afford to pay for them.
它们是为有能力支付费用的富人和他们的公司保留的。
These include some of the 72 corporate CEOs, many of them Republicans, who coughed up $100,000 each to be honorary vice chairmen of the Democratic Convention.
其中包括 72 名企业首席执行官中的一些人，其中许多是共和党人，他们每人掏出 10 万美元担任民主党全国代表大会的名誉副主席。
Here is where you see curtained-off rooms decorated with signs that say "The Democratic Party would like to thank especially the Chicago Board Options Exchange and Patton Boggs LLB." Here is where you can find the people on whom the politicians focus their private attention.
在这里，你可以看到用窗帘隔开的房间，上面装饰着标语，上面写着“民主党要特别感谢芝加哥期权交易所和巴顿·博格斯法学士”。在这里你可以找到政治家私下关注的人。
These people sit sipping red wine and nibbling on goodies, looking down upon the politicians, who tomorrow will have no choice but to take their phone calls.
这些人坐着喝着红酒，吃着好吃的东西，瞧不起政客们，而政客们明天将别无选择，只能接听电话。
It's the end of the first night and pretty much everyone has left.
第一晚就这样结束了，几乎所有人都离开了。
But inside one of the many suites toils a middle-aged woman in a black-and-white penguin suit.
但在众多套房中的一间里，一位穿着黑白企鹅套装的中年妇女正在忙碌。
For maybe half an hour, the woman works alone, tossing out open but untouched bottles of wine, and dumping large silver trays of food into giant green trash bags.
在大约半个小时的时间里，这名妇女独自工作，扔掉打开但未动过的酒瓶，并将装满食物的大银托盘倒入巨大的绿色垃圾袋中。
The food tumbles into the bag in mouth-watering heaps.
食物成堆地倒进袋子里，令人垂涎欲滴。
Chicken and beef satay, fried potato puffballs, shrimp remoulade, thinly sliced meats rolled up like oriental carpets.
鸡肉和牛肉沙爹、炸土豆马勃、虾蛋黄酱、像东方地毯一样卷起来的薄片肉。
I'm curious what the woman is being paid to chuck out thousands of dollars of untouched food, but ask instead more generally about salaries at the United Center.
我很好奇这位女士扔掉数千美元未动过的食物的报酬是多少，但我更广泛地询问了联合中心球馆的工资。
"You mean what do I make?" she asks cheerfully as she empties a cow's worth of beef satay into the garbage.
“你的意思是我要做什么？”她一边把相当于一头牛的牛肉沙爹倒进垃圾桶，一边高兴地问道。
"$4 an hour." "This was one of the rooms reserved for the White House staff," the woman says idly.
“每小时 4 美元。” “这是为白宫工作人员保留的房间之一，”女人漫不经心地说。
"They never came.
“他们从来没有来过。
They never called to cancel."
他们从来没有打电话取消。”
That's when you know you've arrive in the Democratic Party, I think, when you don't even care to use your reserved suite.
我想，那时你就知道你已经加入了民主党，而你甚至不想使用你的预订套房。
When I watched George Stephanopoulos in the Chicago Health Club earlier today, reading the newspaper as the convention unfolded on the TV above his head, I didn't appreciate what I was seeing.
今天早些时候，当我在芝加哥健康俱乐部看到乔治·斯蒂芬诺普洛斯（George Stephanopoulos）在他头顶的电视上读着报纸时，我并没有欣赏到我所看到的一切。
The coolest thing to be at the Democratic Convention is a no-show.
民主党全国代表大会上最酷的事情就是缺席。
Michael Lewis' Campaign Diaries appear in The New Republic .
迈克尔·刘易斯的竞选日记出现在《新共和国》中。
Coming up, Michael Lewis lets us listen in on a private conversation he has with President Clinton, and read some advanced copies of Hillary Clinton's speeches.
接下来，迈克尔·刘易斯让我们聆听他与克林顿总统的私人谈话，并阅读希拉里·克林顿演讲的一些高级副本。
Actually, he just talks to us about Dick Martin.
事实上，他只是和我们谈论迪克·马丁。
Dick Morris.
迪克·莫里斯.
Dick Martin!
迪克·马丁！
He talks to us about Dick Martin.
他和我们谈论迪克·马丁。
He talks to us about Dick Morris.
他和我们谈论迪克·莫里斯。
Anyway, that's coming up in a minute, when our program continues.
不管怎样，当我们的节目继续进行时，这就会出现。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week, on our program, of course, we choose a topic and bring you documentary stories, radio monologues, reportage, found tapes, anything we can think of.
当然，在我们的节目中，我们每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来纪录片故事、广播独白、报告文学、发现的磁带以及我们能想到的任何内容。
Our subject today is the Democratic Convention that has been happening right here in our own backyard in Chicago, which is where we broadcast from.
我们今天的主题是在我们芝加哥后院举行的民主党全国代表大会，这也是我们进行广播的地方。
So Michael Lewis wrote those diary entries that you just heard.
所以迈克尔·刘易斯写下了你刚刚听到的那些日记。
And then, on the last day of the convention, when he came into our studio to record them, the news had broken that campaign strategist Dick Morris, the strategist who pushed the president to embrace family values, had let a prostitute listen in on phone conversations he had with the president and looked at the first lady's convention speech.
然后，在大会的最后一天，当他来到我们的录音室录制这些视频时，消息传出，竞选策略师迪克·莫里斯（Dick Morris），这位推动总统接受家庭价值观的策略师，让一名妓女偷听他与总统的电话交谈，并观看了第一夫人的大会演讲。
Michael had not written about this yet, but he had thoughts about it.
迈克尔还没有写过这件事，但他对此有想法。
Your first emotional reaction to the news about Dick Morris was--
你对迪克·莫里斯的消息的第一情感反应是——
Glee.
欢乐合唱团。
I was very happy.
我很高兴。
And I guess I shouldn't have been, right?
我想我不应该这样，对吧？
Because it's a very sad thing that happens to someone, a family man caught with a prostitute.
因为发生在某人身上是一件非常悲伤的事情，一个有家室的男人与妓女被抓。
And I'm not quite sure why I felt such glee.
我不太清楚为什么我感到如此高兴。
But I'm still very happy, as you can see.
但我仍然很高兴，正如你所看到的。
I think what it is is that I've been covering this process for now six months, and the serious political people-- Dole and Clinton, anyway-- present this sort of slick facade that's entirely phony, so that whenever anything like this that's seemingly authentic happens, it comes as an enormous relief, some little glimpse of reality.
我认为我已经报道这个过程六个月了，而严肃的政治人物——无论如何，多尔和克林顿——呈现出这种完全虚假的华而不实的外表，所以每当类似这样看似真实的事情发生时，它都会带来巨大的解脱，对现实的一些小小的了解。
And you feel like their best-laid plans have been completely shattered by their advisor's desire to get laid.
你会觉得他们最好的计划已经被他们顾问的上床愿望彻底打碎了。
You can't help but dwell on it.
你情不自禁地想念它。
I mean, compare that one incident to the entire Democratic Convention, and which is more interesting?
我的意思是，将这一事件与整个民主党代表大会进行比较，哪个更有趣？
Which will people talk about?
人们会谈论哪些？
It's no question, people are going to talk about Dick Morris and the prostitute.
毫无疑问，人们会谈论迪克·莫里斯和妓女。
And what could they have been talking about at the convention or in their campaigns that would have provided a counter?
他们在大会或竞选活动中可能谈论什么可以提供反击？
Well, I just imagine if it had been a different time, or a time when the major parties were seriously grappling with major social problems, if someone was talking about, I don't know, things like the maldistribution of wealth, or the need for universal health care, or big social problems and addressing them in an interesting way, there'd be at least some counterweight to this.
好吧，我只是想，如果这是一个不同的时代，或者一个主要政党正在认真应对重大社会问题的时代，如果有人谈论，我不知道，诸如财富分配不均，或全民医疗保健的需要，或重大社会问题并以有趣的方式解决这些问题，至少会有一些平衡。
There'd be something else you want to talk about.
你还有其他事情想谈。
There's nothing that's been said at the Democratic Convention that you care to dwell on.
民主党全国代表大会上没有任何内容是你愿意细想的。
Right.
正确的。
Instead, in the Democratic Convention, it's all just, let's not get kids to smoke.
相反，在民主党全国代表大会上，一切都是公正的，我们不要让孩子们吸烟。
Right.
正确的。
It's a parade of unobjectionable sentiment.
这是一种无可非议的情绪游行。
Right.
正确的。
Let's not frighten people, let's just-- it's just kind of, I don't know, low-level niceness, which I find really unpleasant.
我们不要吓唬别人，我们只是——我不知道，这只是一种低级的友善，我觉得这真的很不愉快。
It's interesting comparing it to '92, because remember in '92 when the Gennifer Flowers story came out, one of the spins that was put on it, I remember, was precisely James Carville saying, look, you can talk about the sex stuff all you want, but what we're talking about is national health care.
将其与 92 年进行比较很有趣，因为记得在 92 年，当詹妮弗·弗劳尔斯的故事问世时，我记得，其中的一个旋转正是詹姆斯·卡维尔说，听着，你可以随心所欲地谈论性的事情，但我们谈论的是国家医疗保健。
That's what we're talking about.
这就是我们正在谈论的。
And it worked.
它奏效了。
I mean, people are interested in big issues.
我的意思是，人们对大问题感兴趣。
And if you confront the society head on and talk to it directly about things that concern it deeply, people won't be that distracted by the other things.
如果你正面面对社会并直接与它谈论与其密切相关的事情，人们就不会因为其他事情而分心。
I mean, you can see kind of a maturation in the electorate with regard to peccadilloes that-- I think there are all sorts of reasons for this.
我的意思是，你可以看到选民在过失方面有所成熟——我认为这有各种各样的原因。
But Bill Clinton has been a great educator-- that we don't need our politicians to be saints.
但比尔·克林顿是一位伟大的教育家——我们不需要我们的政客成为圣人。
Are you sort of surprised what you found once you went out and followed the campaigns around as much as you have?
当你出去尽可能多地关注竞选活动后，你是否对所发现的结果感到惊讶？
Well, you know, I've always thought of myself as a good Democrat.
嗯，你知道，我一直认为自己是一名优秀的民主党人。
It's probably more true to say that it was a good liberal.
说它是一个优秀的自由主义者可能更正确。
But I'm having this very weird experience in covering the campaign, actually getting close to politics, which I've never really done until six months ago.
但我在报道竞选活动时有一种非常奇怪的经历，实际上是在接近政治，而直到六个月前我才真正这样做过。
I think I know now what it feels like to be an adolescent boy who discovers that he's more sexually attracted to boys than to girls.
我想我现在知道作为一个青春期男孩发现他对男孩比女孩更具性吸引力是什么感觉。
That I'm discovering, here I've gotten into this process thinking I'm a Democrat, and I'm discovering that I'm more attracted to Republicans than to Democrats, thinking maybe I'm a Republican.
我发现，在这里，我进入了这个过程，认为自己是民主党人，而且我发现我对共和党人比民主党人更感兴趣，认为也许我是共和党人。
So I'm just sorting this out, why I have these feelings.
所以我只是想弄清楚为什么我会有这些感觉。
And maybe a few months of therapy and some discussion with friendly Democrats, maybe I'll come around.
也许经过几个月的治疗和与友好的民主党人的一些讨论，也许我会改变主意。
So why do you think you're having these feelings?
那么你认为你为什么会有这些感觉？
Is it because of their ideas?
是因为他们的想法吗？
Are you agreeing with them on the school voucher and on the 15% tax cut?
您同意他们关于学券和 15% 减税的意见吗？
No. You see, this is what's so strange about it, is that I still disagree with them as much as ever.
不，你看，这就是奇怪的地方，我仍然像以前一样不同意他们的观点。
I just like them more.
我只是更喜欢他们。
I found that they're generally more truthful, easier to-- I've learned more from them.
我发现他们通常更诚实，更容易——我从他们身上学到了更多。
And I also feel like, it's easier to have an open discussion and disagree.
我还觉得，进行公开讨论和提出不同意见会更容易。
With Democrats-- and maybe because they're in power in the White House, I'm covering a presidential campaign, it just always feels like this-- their careers are at stake whenever I'm talking to them.
对于民主党人来说——也许是因为他们在白宫掌权，我正在报道总统竞选，总有这样的感觉——每当我与他们交谈时，他们的职业生涯都受到威胁。
Whereas with a number of Republicans who I've been writing about, I feel like they're just talking to me, and making sense to me.
而我一直在写的一些共和党人，我觉得他们只是在跟我说话，对我来说很有意义。
And where we disagree, we can disagree.
如果我们不同意，我们可以不同意。
So do you feel like that's also a function of the fact that the Republicans are themselves more the party of ideas and more trying to work out their ideas of what it means to be a conservative?
那么你是否觉得这也是因为共和党本身更多的是一个思想政党，并且更多地试图弄清楚他们对于保守派意味着什么的想法？
Does it mean you're more libertarian?
这是否意味着你更加自由主义？
Does it mean that you're more a fiscal conservative?
这是否意味着您在财政上更加保守？
Does it mean you're more Christian right kind of--
这是否意味着你更信奉基督教——
Oh, I think that's very true.
哦，我认为这是非常正确的。
I think it's completely true, that most of the interesting debate is taking place in the Republican Party.
我认为这是完全正确的，大多数有趣的辩论都发生在共和党内。
Where is the interesting debate about welfare reform?
关于福利改革的有趣争论在哪里？
It should be in the Democratic Party, and it's not happening.
这应该是在民主党内，但它没有发生。
There's a war in the Republican Party about abortion still, and about all sorts of related social issues.
共和党内仍然存在一场关于堕胎以及各种相关社会问题的战争。
There are Republicans who will fight it out with Jack Kemp about supply-side economics.
有些共和党人将与杰克·坎普就供给侧经济学展开斗争。
And on the Democratic side?
那么民主党方面呢？
Michael Lewis Well, my feeling on the Democrat's side is just, right now it's all about winning, that no debate will happen until after November.
Michael Lewis：嗯，我对民主党这边的感觉是，现在一切都是为了获胜，直到 11 月之后才会发生辩论。
It's very fallow on the Democratic side, not very interesting.
民主党这边非常闲散，不是很有趣。
You don't sit down with Democrats and have interesting discussions about policy.
你不会与民主党人坐下来就政策进行有趣的讨论。
Michael Lewis.
迈克尔·刘易斯.
If you want a good time, pick up his book, Liar's Poker.
如果你想玩得开心，可以读读他的书《说谎者的扑克》。
He's assembling his Campaign Diaries in a new book.
他正在将他的竞选日记整理成一本新书。
That'll be out some time.
过段时间就会出来的
Act Three, Neighbors.
第三幕，邻居。
You've probably heard at this point about the multimillion dollar cleanup Chicago has done for the convention, along the route between the downtown hotels, especially, and the United Center where the convention is held.
此时您可能已经听说过芝加哥为大会花费数百万美元进行的清理工作，尤其是市中心酒店和举办大会的联合中心之间的路线。
Well, one night after the convention, I jumped into a cab with some other people, some strangers.
好吧，大会结束后的一个晚上，我和其他一些人，一些陌生人跳进了一辆出租车。
We sped up Monroe Street, them to the hotels, me back to the radio studio.
我们加快了门罗街的速度，他们到了酒店，我回到了广播室。
The moon was out, the air was perfect, the street was freshly paved.
月亮出来了，空气清新，街道刚刚铺好。
And a woman from Washington, DC, a lobbyist, who had attended the convention in a sky box, remarked, "Chicago is so wonderful.
一位来自华盛顿特区的女性说客，在空中包厢里参加了大会，她说：“芝加哥真是太棒了。
There are no potholes, no homeless people, and the weather's so beautiful." I don't even know where to begin with that.
没有坑洼，没有无家可归的人，而且天气非常好。”我什至不知道从哪里开始。
I mean, I did not know that money could buy that amount of misinformation and misperception.
我的意思是，我不知道金钱可以买到这么多的错误信息和误解。
I did not know that it was possible to create that.
我不知道可以创建它。
I'm sure you know about the weather, right?
我相信你知道天气，对吧？
She's just as wrong about the potholes and the homeless people.
她对坑洼和无家可归者的看法同样错误。
Well, our next story is about our multimillion dollar civic cleanup.
好吧，我们的下一个故事是关于我们耗资数百万美元的市政清理工作。
You may remember the bestselling book There Are No Children Here from a few years back.
您可能还记得几年前的畅销书《这里没有孩子》。
In There Are No Children Here , writer Alex Kotlowitz described the lives of two brothers at the Henry Horner homes.
作家亚历克斯·科特洛维茨在《这里没有孩子》中描述了亨利·霍纳家中两兄弟的生活。
And the book was made into a TV film by Oprah Winfrey.
奥普拉·温弗瑞将这本书拍成了电视电影。
It's been mentioned many times in speeches by Jack Kemp and others.
杰克·坎普（Jack Kemp）等人的演讲中多次提到这一点。
Well, Henry Horner is the public housing project that sits directly across the street from the United Center.
亨利·霍纳 (Henry Horner) 是位于联合中心中心街对面的公共住房项目。
And when Chicago did its multimillion dollar cleanup for the Democratic Convention, it cleaned up some of Horner as part of it.
当芝加哥为民主党大会进行耗资数百万美元的清理工作时，它也清理了一些霍纳作为其中的一部分。
Well, the boys from Alex Kotlowitz's book are now young men and they don't actually live at Horner anymore, though they go back every now and then.
好吧，亚历克斯·科特洛维茨书中的男孩现在都是年轻人，他们实际上不再住在霍纳了，尽管他们时不时会回去。
And one of them, Pharoah Walton, who's now 18, put together this story.
其中一位现年 18 岁的法老·沃尔顿 (Pharoah Walton) 整理了这个故事。
He gives us a little tour of what has changed at Horner because of the convention, and what hasn't changed.
他向我们简要介绍了霍纳因大会而发生的变化以及未发生的变化。
When I left Henry Horner five years ago, it looked like a ghost town, no green grass, broken windows, graffiti everywhere.
五年前我离开亨利·霍纳时，这里看起来就像一座鬼城，没有绿草，窗户破损，到处都是涂鸦。
Now Henry Horner is a different place.
现在亨利·霍纳已经是一个不同的地方了。
There are rows of flowers outside the maintenance building, and new windows in the office where my mother used to pay rent.
维修大楼外面有一排鲜花，我母亲以前付房租的办公室也换了新窗户。
There are trees, new elevators.
有树，有新电梯。
Most of the changes are on the side of the buildings that face the United Center.
大部分变化都发生在面向联合中心的建筑物一侧。
And on Washington Street, where the old [?
在华盛顿街，老[？
Bernie ?] School used to be, there's a new playground, with a big lot and a huge, new blue and green jungle gym, nicer than any playground I've ever seen in the city, even on the north side, and everyone knows why.
伯尼？]学校曾经是，有一个新的操场，有很大的场地和一个巨大的、新的蓝色和绿色的丛林健身房，比我在城市见过的任何操场都好，即使是在北侧，每个人都知道为什么。
I like it.
我喜欢它。
It's fun.
很有趣。
I know why they did it, because the president's coming.
我知道他们为什么这么做，因为总统要来了。
And then they'll all be taking kids and they gonna be killing people.
然后他们就会带走孩子，然后杀人。
The president [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
总统[无法辨认]。
People say a lot of other things, too, and not all of them make sense, like what Canoe Howe told me about the playground.
人们还说了很多其他的话，但并不是所有的都有意义，就像卡诺·豪告诉我的关于游乐场的事情一样。
The Democratic new convention coming.
民主党新大会即将召开。
And now I can't be outside.
现在我不能出去了。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE] There going to be a lot of police in our building, and the president supposed to be in our building.
[难以理解的短语] 我们大楼里会有很多警察，总统应该也在我们大楼里。
People at Horner are glad about the physical changes, but most of them say that they're mad that it took a president before the city would clean up a parking lot, or plant a tree.
霍纳的人们对这些物理变化感到高兴，但他们中的大多数人表示，他们很生气，因为只有一位总统才让这座城市清理停车场或种植一棵树。
Some things at Henry Horner have changed, and some things are still the same, like shooters and hot days.
亨利·霍纳的有些事情已经发生了变化，有些事情仍然是一样的，比如射手和炎热的日子。
When I was a kid, I would run in the house when the shooting started, same with my nephew, Snuggles, and his friend, Jeremy, today.
当我还是个孩子的时候，当枪击事件发生时，我会在房子里跑步，今天我的侄子斯纳格斯和他的朋友杰里米也是如此。
They always trying to shoot on a hot day.
他们总是试图在炎热的天气里拍摄。
They start gang-banging whenever a hot day.
每当大热天，他们就开始群殴。
And then all the kids gotta go in the house.
然后所有的孩子都得进屋去。
Like two weeks ago, some girl got shot.
就像两周前，一些女孩被枪杀了。
She got shot in the eye.
她的眼睛中弹了。
Over there.
在那边。
Pharoah Walton Usually, when you hear about the projects, you hear that things are bad and they're getting worse, but when I went to Horner, I heard a different story.
法老·沃尔顿 通常，当你听说这些项目时，你会听到事情很糟糕，而且情况正在变得更糟，但当我去霍纳时，我听到了不同的故事。
There are still shootings, still drugs, still gangs, but mostly people told me that things have slowed down.
枪击事件仍然存在，毒品仍然存在，帮派仍然存在，但大多数人告诉我，事情已经放缓了。
In 1991, the residence of Henry Horner filed a lawsuit against the city and won.
1991年，亨利·霍纳的住所向市政府提起诉讼并获胜。
Because of that, the Chicago Housing Authority is cleaning it up, renovating old apartments, putting in a new elevators, tearing down the worst buildings.
因此，芝加哥住房管理局正在清理它，翻新旧公寓，安装新电梯，拆除最糟糕的建筑物。
They've moved 233 families out of Horner since 1995, and installed 24-hour security guards.
自 1995 年以来，他们已将 233 个家庭搬离霍纳，并安装了 24 小时保安。
My friend Sylvia told me she feels safer.
我的朋友西尔维娅告诉我她感觉更安全。
It's doing a lot better since 20 years it was looking around here, so crime gonna stop a lot better, too.
20年来，这里的情况已经好多了，所以犯罪也会更好地停止。
They ain't doing too much shootin' or nothing, so it's good.
他们没有进行太多的射击或什么都不做，所以这很好。
Police are around a little more, so that's better, too, since they put that United Center out there, because they watch that a lot.
警察在附近的时间多了一点，所以这也更好，因为他们把联合中心放在那儿，因为他们经常观看。
Sylvia says police are always driving around the neighborhood since the United Center was built.
西尔维娅说，自从联合中心建成以来，警察一直在附近开车。
Now, I visited my grandmother, and she said the same things, that things are getting better.
现在，我拜访了我的祖母，她也说了同样的话，事情正在好转。
We sat in her apartment, with gospel music on the radio and a preacher on the television, and she told me about life at Horner now.
我们坐在她的公寓里，收音机里播放着福音音乐，电视上播放着传教士的声音，她向我讲述了霍纳现在的生活。
But it's not too bad around here.
但这里的情况还不错。
I never read about nothing happening around here, like somebody getting killed in a drive-by shooting.
我从来没有读到过这里发生过什么事情，比如有人在驾车枪击事件中被杀。
It's not too bad.
还不错。
I walk out this house every day and those lights be out.
我每天走出这所房子，那些灯就熄灭了。
I have to take a flashlight, but I'm not afraid.
我必须带手电筒，但我不怕。
I'm not afraid.
我不害怕。
Of course, I got God, first of all.
当然，首先我得到了上帝。
One of the things that the president and the delegates at the convention won't see when they look at Horner from across the United Center parking lot is the Boys & Girls Club.
当总统和大会代表从联合中心停车场对面看霍纳时，他们不会看到的一件事是男孩女孩俱乐部。
Physically, the Boys & Girls Club hasn't changed since I was little-- old pool tables, a basketball court, cinderblock walls.
从物理上来说，男孩女孩俱乐部从我小时候起就没有改变过——旧台球桌、篮球场、煤渣砖墙。
It's not in great shape.
它的状况不太好。
I talked to the grandfather of the community, Major Adams.
我和社区的祖父亚当斯少校交谈过。
He's worked at the Boys & Girls Club for 40 years.
他在男孩女孩俱乐部工作了 40 年。
Everybody knows him and everybody respects him.
每个人都认识他，每个人都尊重他。
Kids will listen to Major before they listen to teachers or parents or even the police.
孩子们会先听梅杰的话，然后再听老师、家长甚至警察的话。
He's the only person at Horner who can walk into the middle of a gang fight and make it stop.
他是霍纳唯一一个能够介入帮派斗殴并制止冲突的人。
In fact, he's famous for jumping into the middle of fights.
事实上，他因跳入打斗而闻名。
And Major would be the first person to tell you about all the fights he's stopped.
梅杰将是第一个告诉你他制止的所有斗殴事件的人。
He was going to jump on eight guys with these three knives.
他要用这三把刀向八个人扑去。
I didn't know he had three knives.
我不知道他有三把刀。
But he had one in his hand.
但他手里却拿着一张。
He was going to get these guys.
他要抓住这些人。
So I had to grab this guy and take this knife away from him, while the guy-- I came out there, 12 of them was jumping on one guy.
所以我必须抓住这个人，把这把刀从他身上拿走，而那个人——我出来了，12个人正在向一个人扑去。
And it made me so mad.
这让我很生气。
I said, "Well, look, I'm going to take all 12 of you guys one at a time." And I take them one at a time, and I whooped all 12 of them.
我说：“好吧，听着，我要一次带你们 12 个人一个。”我一次拿一个，然后我把 12 个都欢呼了。
I'm going to do it by myself.
我要自己做。
I picked him up and throwed him over the fence.
我把他抱起来，把他扔过栅栏。
I'm telling you, you've got to--
我告诉你，你必须——
Some people say the neighborhood is safer because over 200 families moved out.
有人说这个社区更安全，因为有 200 多个家庭搬走了。
There are fewer people to get in trouble or shoot each other.
遇到麻烦或互相开枪的人越来越少。
My friend Sylvia says people have less time to fool around because the housing authority is hiring residents to do construction and clean the place up.
我的朋友西尔维娅说，人们闲逛的时间减少了，因为住房管理局正在雇用居民进行建筑和清理工作。
Another friend of mine says people are getting their act together because now the city is kicking people out and tearing buildings down.
我的另一位朋友说，人们正在齐心协力，因为现在这座城市正在驱逐人们并拆除建筑物。
And they don't want to lose their homes.
他们不想失去家园。
But the way Major sees it, the neighborhood is better because there are people in Horner who are trying to make a difference.
但在梅杰看来，这个社区更好是因为霍纳有人试图做出改变。
I'll tell you, crime has went down in our neighborhood, this neighborhood, because you have a guy like me working in the neighborhood.
我告诉你，我们这个社区的犯罪率已经下降，因为有像我这样的人在这个社区工作。
When you walk in here, a lot of them gang-bangers just came, I fed them.
当你走进这里时，很多黑帮刚来，我喂他们。
So there's a lot of things I do for them.
所以我为他们做了很多事情。
I let them play basketball.
我让他们打篮球。
When they want to go back to school, I see that they go back to school.
当他们想回学校时，我看到他们回学校。
They go to jail, I send them money and stuff like that.
他们进监狱，我给他们寄钱之类的。
Like my Aunt Milly says, you can't beautify the outside when the inside ain't right.
就像我米莉姨妈说的，如果内在不正确，你就无法美化外表。
Major is working hard to beautify the inside.
Major正在努力美化内部。
In the main room at the Boys & Girls Club, there's a trophy case.
在男孩女孩俱乐部的主房间里，有一个奖杯柜。
Inside, there are all the trophies won by Horner baseball teams, basketball teams, and football teams.
里面有霍纳棒球队、篮球队、橄榄球队赢得的所有奖杯。
And pinned to the back of the trophy case, there are pictures of Horner residents who've made something of their lives, who've gotten out of the projects, went on to do great things.
奖杯柜的背面钉着霍纳居民的照片，他们在生活中做出了一些贡献，他们从项目中摆脱出来，继续做出了伟大的事情。
All three of those young men up there are teachers.
上面的三个年轻人都是老师。
They grew up in the area.
他们在该地区长大。
Those three up there?
上面那三个人？
Major Adams Yeah, those three there.
亚当斯少校 是的，那三个人在那里。
And this is Dr. Steven Parker at Chicago State.
这是芝加哥州立大学的史蒂文·帕克博士。
That's Verdine from Earth, Wind, & Fire.
这是《地、风与火》中的维尔丁。
Then he pointed out a blank spot and asked me for a picture, his way of saying he knew I was going to make it.
然后他指着一个空白处并向我要一张照片，他的方式是说他知道我会成功。
Pharoah Walton.
法老沃尔顿。
He's a senior at Culver Academy in Indiana.
他是印第安纳州卡尔弗学院的一名大四学生。
He asked us to play some of this song after his story.
他要求我们在他的故事结束后播放这首歌的一些内容。
[MUSIC - "THE GHETTO" BY TOO SHORT]
[音乐 - “贫民窟”太短了]
Act Four, TV Show.
第四幕，电视节目。
Danny Drennan is, as far as we can tell, an expert on two things in this world-- the worldwide web and the TV show Beverly Hills, 90210.
据我们所知，丹尼·德伦南 (Danny Drennan) 是这个世界上两件事的专家：万维网和电视节目《比佛利山庄 90210》。
I feel like we're going from the sublime to the ridiculous here.
我觉得我们正在从崇高走向荒谬。
He created one of the more interesting and eccentric pages on the worldwide web, a weekly wrap-up of 90210 in a very unusual style.
他在万维网上创建了一个更有趣、更古怪的页面，以一种非常不寻常的风格对 90210 进行每周总结。
He writes about television in a way that no one else does, and a couple weeks ago we asked him to review a Bob Dole appearance when Bob Dole appeared on Larry King Live .
他以一种其他人都没有的方式撰写电视文章，几周前，当鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole) 出现在拉里·金现场 (Larry King Live) 节目中时，我们请他回顾一下鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole) 的表演。
For this week, we asked him to review the Democratic National Convention.
本周，我们请他回顾民主党全国代表大会。
So I'm watching the Democratic National Convention the other night on C-SPAN, and let me just say how thankful I am that C-SPAN exists.
前几天晚上我正在 C-SPAN 上观看民主党全国代表大会，我只想说我是多么感激 C-SPAN 的存在。
The best part of the convention is when everyone is going home and all the other networks have moved on to other things, but there's good old gavel-to-gavel C-SPAN still filming every last bit, including interviews with teenage convention volunteers who refused entrance to one of the Gore daughters because she didn't have her ID with her.
大会最精彩的部分是当每个人都回家时，所有其他网络都在忙其他事情，但老旧的 C-SPAN 仍然在拍摄最后一点，包括对青少年大会志愿者的采访，他们拒绝戈尔的女儿之一入场，因为她没有携带身份证。
And C-SPAN also does this great phone interview thing where people from Canada can call up and tell America how much they hate our political conventions.
C-SPAN 还做了一项很棒的电话采访，来自加拿大的人们可以打电话告诉美国他们有多么讨厌我们的政治大会。
How about you mind your own business up there in Canada?
你在加拿大管好自己的事怎么样？
And stop reminding us that liberal is not an epithet in Canada, and about gun control in Canada, and about health care in Canada, and about all the other things the Democrats should be doing here that already exist in Canada.
不要再提醒我们，自由主义在加拿大不是一个绰号，关于加拿大的枪支管制，关于加拿大的医疗保健，以及关于加拿大已经存在的所有其他民主党应该在这里做的事情。
I'm totally convinced that people from the Canadian tourist board or whatever are constantly calling up C-SPAN pretending to be interested in American politics to try and convince Americans to move up north.
我完全相信加拿大旅游局或其他机构的人不断地打电话给 C-SPAN，假装对美国政治感兴趣，试图说服美国人向北迁移。
And the other thing I like about C-SPAN is that it gets all the unscripted bits, like Hillary Clinton waiting for her cue to start talking, but then jumping the gun and then stopping, and then going "great" under her breath, totally angry, and then starting again and delivering her lines all deadpan, like so ticked off that she just made a fool of herself on live television.
我喜欢《C-SPAN》的另一件事是，它得到了所有即兴的片段，比如希拉里·克林顿(Hillary Clinton)等待她开始讲话的提示，然后突然停止，然后低声说“伟大”，完全生气，然后重新开始，面无表情地说出她的台词，就像她在电视直播中出丑一样。
So later on, we get a big, old tribute to former Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, with a video of people saying nice things about Ron Brown, and then his widow, Alma Brown, talking about her husband.
后来，我们通过一段视频向前商务部长罗恩·布朗致敬，视频中人们对罗恩·布朗说好话，然后他的遗孀阿尔玛·布朗谈论了她的丈夫。
But then, all of a sudden, we switch to the Alma Brown variety hour, because in the middle of talking about her deceased husband, Alma Brown up and introduces Kenny G.
但突然，我们切换到阿尔玛·布朗综艺节目，因为在谈论她已故的丈夫时，阿尔玛·布朗站起来介绍了肯尼·G。
How scary is that, to be talking about your dead husband one minute, and then to have to introduce some god-awful white jazz musician the next?
前一分钟还在谈论你死去的丈夫，下一分钟就不得不介绍一些可怕的白人爵士音乐家，这有多可怕？
If you combined the Lawrence Welk Show with Rod Serling's Night Gallery , you would get Alma Brown introducing Kenny G at the Democratic National Convention.
如果你把劳伦斯·韦尔克秀和罗德·塞林的夜间画廊结合起来，你就会看到阿尔玛·布朗在民主党全国代表大会上介绍肯尼·G。
And if I were Kenny G, I would seriously fire my agent.
如果我是肯尼·G，我会认真解雇我的经纪人。
The only gigs that Kenny G gets are the Democratic National Convention and Kelly Taylor's birthday party on Beverly Hills, 90210.
肯尼·G 获得的唯一演出机会是民主党全国代表大会和凯莉·泰勒在比佛利山庄 (90210) 举办的生日派对。
And even more upsetting, perhaps, is the whole Hollywoodization of the political process.
也许更令人不安的是政治进程的整个好莱坞化。
I mean, can I just ask how much plastic surgery did that house minority leader guy, Richard Gephardt, have done?
我的意思是，我能问一下众议院少数党领袖理查德·格普哈特做了多少整容手术吗？
And how many so-called Hollywood stars could they bring in to speak during the convention?
他们能请多少所谓的好莱坞明星在大会上发言？
Like Edward James Olmos, who came up with the most brilliantly obtuse quote of the evening when he said, and I quote, "the complexity of this question is so intense that I could never try to attempt to answer it." That is a direct quote.
就像爱德华·詹姆斯·奥尔莫斯（Edward James Olmos）一样，他想出了当晚最精彩的一句迟钝的话，他说（我引用一下）：“这个问题是如此复杂，以至于我永远无法尝试回答它。”这是直接引用。
What does that mean?
这意味着什么？
And do I really need Edward James Olmos passionately giving me a definition of what dissing means?
我真的需要爱德华·詹姆斯·奥尔莫斯热情地给我定义 diss 的含义吗？
And someone should also probably talk to Christopher Reeve's manager.
也许还应该有人与克里斯托弗·里夫的经理谈谈。
I mean, I hate to say it, but how much in common with the so-called people does a rich, overpaid, covered-by-health-insurance actor who broke his neck while enjoying some totally elitist equestrian sport have?
我的意思是，我不想这么说，但是一个富有、收入过高、有医疗保险的演员在享受某种完全精英化的马术运动时摔断了脖子，他和那些所谓的人有多少共同点呢？
And maybe the producers of this convention, who also produce the Oscars, where Reeve also appeared, gave Christopher Reeve, a three-engagement deal or something.
也许这次大会的制片人（里夫也出席了奥斯卡颁奖典礼）的制片人给了克里斯托弗·里夫一份三订婚协议之类的。
Or maybe Christopher Reeve just sells his Nielsen share to the highest bidder.
或者，克里斯托弗·里夫（Christopher Reeve）可能只是将他的尼尔森股票卖给了最高出价者。
And let me just say, if I had to labor with every single solitary breath just to speak three words at a time, and then wait because everyone in the audience takes that as a cue to clap even though I haven't finish my point yet, I sure as hell wouldn't waste that breath on Bill Clinton.
我只想说，如果我不得不费尽气力一次说出三个字，然后等待，因为观众中的每个人都将其视为鼓掌的暗示，即使我还没有完成我的观点，我绝对不会在比尔·克林顿身上浪费这一口气。
So then we get about five million people plugging Hillary Clinton's book.
因此，大约有五百万人在宣传希拉里·克林顿的书。
And then later, the convention moves on to the politically expedient death and personal medical catastrophe part of the show, exemplified by Al Gore's kid and sister and every other speaker this evening.
随后，大会转向政治上的权宜之计的死亡和个人医疗灾难部分，阿尔·戈尔的孩子和妹妹以及今晚所有其他发言者就是例证。
Like there's nothing about Clinton that tugs our heart strings, so they have to bring in all these death and tragedy stories that have absolutely nothing to do with him.
就像克林顿没有什么可以牵动我们的心弦一样，所以他们必须引入所有这些与他完全无关的死亡和悲剧故事。
And so then we see Sarah Brady and her husband, Jim, and I'm sure that Sarah Brady meant well, moving her husband, Jim, around the convention stage like a living political prop, and talking about the Brady Bill and gun control.
然后我们看到莎拉·布雷迪和她的丈夫吉姆，我确信莎拉·布雷迪的本意是好的，让她的丈夫吉姆像一个活生生的政治支柱一样在大会舞台上走来走去，并谈论布雷迪法案和枪支管制。
But if you look at Bill Clinton's track record so far, you might worry that gun control is just another step in Bill Clinton's goal to declare a national state of emergency and establish martial law in this country.
但如果你看看比尔·克林顿迄今为止的记录，你可能会担心枪支管制只是比尔·克林顿宣布全国紧急状态并在这个国家建立戒严令的目标的又一步。
He already wants to set up curfews, and he's already responsible for the biggest increase in FBI wiretapping in American history, and he wants to take away guns, and he wants to put more cops on the street, and the political protesters at the convention were supposed to be content with receiving a lottery-derived slot of time for them to protest.
他已经想实行宵禁，他已经对美国历史上最大的联邦调查局窃听增加负责，他想拿走枪支，他想在街上派更多警察，而大会上的政治抗议者应该满足于获得通过彩票获得的抗议时间。
Could someone please clue me in to the moment in time when the Constitution of the United States started parceling out the First Amendment on a time-sharing basis?
有人可以告诉我美国宪法开始分时分配第一修正案的那一刻吗？
Are we going to have alternate side of the street freedom of speech at some point soon?
我们是否会在不久的将来拥有另一边的言论自由？
And this is from the Democrats.
这是来自民主党的。
And if you think I'm crazy, just count the number of times that Bill Clinton mentions the 21st century and new technology.
如果你认为我疯了，就数一下比尔·克林顿提到 21 世纪和新技术的次数吧。
How annoying is it when Bill Clinton goes on and on about wanting to hook up every school to the so-called information superhighway, when in reality the internet is a huge dumping ground of useless information?
当比尔克林顿不断地想要将每所学校连接到所谓的信息高速公路时，而实际上互联网是无用信息的巨大垃圾场，这有多烦人？
I mean, kids can't even read or write, but let's hook them up to the biggest waste of technology going.
我的意思是，孩子们甚至不会读或写，但让我们让他们接触到最大的技术浪费。
Of course, only after we sensor it.
当然，只有在我们感应到它之后。
And if I were paranoid, I would say that Bill Clinton is, in fact, Big Brother, who wants to preside over a hugely illiterate population, tied into the government via government-censored internet links, gunless and with cops at every street corner, entertained and sedated by Hollywood has-beens, in order to pave the way for his beast of the apocalypse, one-world government takeover.
如果我是偏执狂的话，我会说比尔·克林顿实际上是老大哥，他想统治一大群文盲，通过政府审查的互联网连接与政府联系在一起，手无寸铁，每个街角都有警察，受到好莱坞过时者的娱乐和镇静，以便为他的世界末日野兽、单一世界政府接管铺平道路。
And maybe moving to Canada isn't such a bad idea after all.
也许搬到加拿大毕竟不是一个坏主意。
Danny Drennan's website, www.inquisitor.com.
丹尼·德伦南 (Danny Drennan) 的网站，www.inquisitor.com。
Proceed at your own risk.
请自行承担风险。
Our program was produced today by Peter Clowney and myself, with Alix Spiegel and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由彼得·克劳尼和我、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔和南希·厄普代克共同制作。
Contributing editors, Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, and Margy Rochlin.
特约编辑 Paul Tough、Jack Hitt 和 Margy Rochlin。
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WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 监督。
I am Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周带着更多《美国生活》的故事回来。
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《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。