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Prologue Ira Glass So in 1853, during the California Gold Rush, a leafleteer out west published the "Ten Commandments for Gold Miners" who'd come out to prospect.
序言 Ira Glass 1853 年，加州淘金热期间，一位西部传单者出版了“给前来探矿的金矿工人的十诫”。
Commandment number four-- commandment four in the traditional Ten Commandments tells you to observe the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
第四条诫命——传统十诫中的第四条诫命告诉你要遵守安息日以保持其神圣。
Commandment number four reads like this, "Thou shalt not remember what thy friends do at home on the Sabbath day, lest the remembrance may not compare favorably with what thou doest here."
第四条诫命是这样写的：“你不可记念你的朋友在安息日在家所做的事，免得记念的事与你在这里所做的事不相称。”
For commandment number eight-- the commandment about stealing in the traditional commandments.
对于第八条诫命——传统诫命中关于偷窃的诫命。
Commandment eight, "Thou shalt not steal a pick or a shovel or a pan from thy fellow miner or take away his tools without his leave, nor return them broken, nor remove his stake to enlarge thy claim, nor pan out gold from his riffle box."
第八条戒律：“你不得从你的矿工同伴那里偷走镐、铲子或平底锅，也不得未经他的允许而拿走他的工具，也不得将其损坏归还，也不得移走他的木桩以扩大你的权利，也不得从他的步枪箱中淘出黄金。”
There is the "Ten Commandments of Umpiring," written in 1949 by the commissioner of Major League Baseball.
美国职业棒球大联盟专员于 1949 年撰写了《裁判十诫》。
Commandment number one, "Keep your eye on the ball." Four different commandments on this list are, basically, about not getting mad at the players.
第一条戒律是：“密切关注球。”这个列表中的四个不同的戒律基本上都是关于不要对玩家生气。
There are the "Ten Commandments of Tractor Safety." Number one, "Know your tractor, its implements, and how they work." The "Ten Commandments of Paris Dining," assembled by Fodor's Travel Guides, which include number two, "Thou shalt not be too familiar with the waiter.
有“拖拉机安全十诫”。第一，“了解您的拖拉机、其机具以及它们的工作原理。”福多旅游指南整理的“巴黎餐饮十诫”，其中第二条是“你不能与服务员太熟悉。
Don't expect to hear, 'My name is Gaston, and I will be your server tonight." Also, number eight, "Thou shall not assume that the customer is always right." And number 10, "Thou shall never use the term 'doggy bag.'"
不要指望听到“我叫加斯顿，今晚我将成为你的服务员”。另外，第八点，“你不应该假设顾客总是对的。”第 10 点，“你永远不能使用‘打包’这个词。”
Let's see what else.
让我们看看还有什么。
The "Ten Commandments of Cell Phone Etiquette." Number four, "Thou shall not wear more than two wireless devices on thy belt." The Ten Commandments of Sports Betting, the "Ten Commandments of Protecting Your Million Dollar Idea," the "Ten Commandments of Good Historical Writing." My favorite-- number 10, "Thou shalt write consistently in the past tense." Interesting to think that you would need that.
“手机礼仪十诫”。第四，“你的腰带上不得佩戴超过两个无线设备。”体育博彩十诫、“保护百万美元创意的十诫”、“优秀历史写作的十诫”。我最喜欢的——第 10 条，“你必须始终如一地用过去时态写作。”有趣的是，你会需要它。
The "Ten Commandments of Bilingual Blogs," the "Ten Commandments of Pastors Leaving the Congregation," the "Ten Commandments of Working in a Hostile Environment," the "Ten Commandments for Communication with People with Disabilities"-- this includes a very helpful number six, "Don't lean on a person's wheelchair." Or number 10, "Don't be embarrassed or freak out if you accidentally use a common phrase like, 'See you later,' with somebody who can't see, or 'Did you hear about that?' with somebody who can't hear."
“双语博客的十诫”、“牧师离开会众的十诫”、“在敌对环境中工作的十诫”、“与残疾人沟通的十诫”——其中包括非常有用的第六条，“不要靠在轮椅上”。或者第十条，“如果您不小心对看不见的人使用了常用短语，例如“再见”或“您听说过吗？”，请不要感到尴尬或惊慌。和一个听不见声音的人。”
The "Ten Commandments of Being a Math Teacher"-- this will actually reveal a lot about the internal life of being a math teacher.
《数学老师十诫》——这实际上会揭示很多关于数学老师的内心生活。
Number one, "Thou shalt recognize that some students fear and dislike math and be compassionate." And then there's a long list that's basically different ways to encourage the math teacher to keep patiently explaining over and over in different ways things until your students understand them.
第一，“你应该认识到有些学生害怕和不喜欢数学，并且要有同情心。”然后有一长串基本上不同的方法来鼓励数学老师以不同的方式耐心地一遍又一遍地解释事物，直到你的学生理解它们。
And then, at the end of that list, there's the rather mournful number 10, "Though they may at times seem few, thou shall count thy blessings." Then, of course, as Peaches & Herb remind us, there are The Ten Commandments of Love.
然后，在这份清单的最后，有一个相当悲伤的数字10，“虽然它们有时看起来很少，但你应该数算你的祝福。”当然，正如桃子与香草提醒我们的那样，还有《爱的十诫》。
[MUSIC - "THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE" BY PEACHES & HERB]
[音乐 - PEACHES & HERB 的《爱的十诫》]
I think there's so many different versions of the Ten Commandments because 10 commandments are such a perfect way to get across an idea.
我认为十诫有很多不同的版本，因为十诫是传达一个想法的完美方式。
There's 10 of them, you know, so it's enough that you feel like you're getting a comprehensive view.
一共有 10 个，你知道，所以这足以让你感觉你得到了一个全面的视图。
And yet at the same time, it's just 10, right?
但与此同时，它只是 10，对吗？
10-- manageable.
10——可控。
Not too overwhelming.
不太压倒性的。
Sure, I could do 10.
当然，我可以做10个。
10?
10？
Sure.
当然。
And you know, the Biblical commandments have one important thing that all these imitator commandments don't.
你知道，圣经的诫命有一件重要的事情，而所有这些模仿者的诫命都没有。
And that is they're about much more basic stuff-- you know, primal stuff that's in our lives-- honoring parents, and murder, and lying, and wanting things we don't have.
那就是它们涉及更基本的东西——你知道，我们生活中最原始的东西——尊敬父母、谋杀、撒谎，以及想要我们没有的东西。
It doesn't get bigger than that.
没有比这更大的了。
And we thought, we just had Easter and Passover.
我们想，我们刚刚度过了复活节和逾越节。
Let's find stories where people are grappling with these old, primal rules for life.
让我们来看看人们与这些古老的、原始的生活规则作斗争的故事。
With that in mind, we're devoting today's program to the Ten Commandments, the real ones.
考虑到这一点，我们今天的节目主要讨论真正的十诫。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's "This American Life." I'm Ira Glass.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的歌曲是“This American Life”。我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's show-- The Ten Commandments.
今天的节目——十诫。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Now different denominations attach different numbering schemes to the commandments, to which commandment goes with which number, though the commandments are always the same.
现在，不同的教派对诫命附加了不同的编号方案，尽管诫命总是相同的，但哪条诫命对应哪个数字。
But however you count them, the first two or three commandments, they cover the same ground.
但无论你怎么计算，前两条或三条诫命都涵盖了相同的内容。
They're all about acknowledging God.
它们都是关于承认上帝。
"I'm the Lord your God.
“我是主你的神。
You shall have no other gods before me.
除了我之外，你不可有别的神。
You shall not carve idols and bow down to them and worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous god.
不可雕刻偶像，也不可跪拜敬拜它们，因为我耶和华你的神是忌邪的神。
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain."
不可妄称耶和华你神的名。”
These commandments in particular are ones that Shalom Auslander tried to understand and obey as a boy going to religious school, a yeshiva-- a school where they were drilled in all of the Bible's commandments by teachers who could be pretty intimidating.
这些诫命尤其是沙洛姆·奥斯兰德（Shalom Auslander）小时候在宗教学校（犹太学校）上学时试图理解和遵守的诫命——在这所学校里，他们的老师可能非常令人生畏，对他们进行圣经所有诫命的训练。
Some more than others.
有些比其他更多。
Here's Shalom.
这是沙洛姆。
Eli said that his big brother said that Rabbi Breyer once broke a student's nose by slapping the student's face.
伊莱说，他的哥哥说布雷耶拉比曾经打过一名学生的脸，打断了他的鼻子。
Dov said that his big brother said that Rabbi Breyer had once broken a student's arm when he was dragging a student from the room for talking during prayers.
多夫说，他的哥哥说布雷耶拉比有一次将一名在祈祷期间讲话的学生从房间里拖出来时，弄断了一名学生的手臂。
Rabbi Breyer was the scariest rabbi in the whole yeshiva.
布雷耶拉比是整个犹太学院中最可怕的拉比。
He was a stocky man, wide as the doorway, with a long rough beard and thick, angry.
他是个矮胖的男人，宽如门口，留着长而粗糙的胡须，浓密而愤怒。
Hands.
手。
And everyone trembled that first day of third grade when he stomped heavily into the classroom, wrote his name on the blackboard, and shouted at Akiva for slouching in his seat.
三年级的第一天，当他重重地走进教室，在黑板上写下自己的名字，并对阿基瓦无精打采地坐在座位上大喊大叫时，每个人都颤抖起来。
Nobody spoke during class.
上课时没有人说话。
Nobody doodled in the margins of their prayer books.
没有人在祈祷书的页边空白处乱涂乱画。
And when, at the end of the first test at the end of the first week Rabbi Breyer shouted, "Pencils down!" it was as if the commandment had come from God himself.
当第一周结束时的第一次测试结束时，布雷耶拉比喊道：“铅笔放下！”这条诫命就好像来自上帝本人一样。
At recess, we stood huddled together on the concrete slab beside the door, afraid to play, worried that Breyer was somewhere watching.
课间休息时，我们挤在一起站在门边的混凝土板上，不敢玩，担心布雷耶在什么地方看着。
Avi and Eli started flipping baseball cards.
阿维和伊莱开始翻转棒球卡。
Flipping cards is considered gambling, which is forbidden.
翻牌被视为赌博，是被禁止的。
So we were supposed to return the cards to each other at the end of recess.
所以我们应该在课间休息结束时将卡片归还给对方。
Nobody ever did.
从来没有人这样做过。
Eli won a large stack of cards from Avi, and I flipped Eli next.
伊莱（Eli）从阿维（Avi）手中赢得了一大堆牌，接下来我翻转了伊莱（Eli）。
I lost an old Willie Randolph and frayed Lou Piniella, but I won a mint Carl Yastrzemski, whom I was pretty sure was Jewish.
我失去了老威利·兰多夫和磨损的卢·皮涅拉，但我赢得了薄荷卡尔·亚斯特泽姆斯基，我很确定他是犹太人。
I'd been trying to win him for months.
几个月来我一直在努力赢得他。
The bell rang, and everyone headed glumly back to class where we sat quietly at our desks, waiting for Rabbi Breyer to return.
铃声响起，每个人都闷闷不乐地回到教室，我们安静地坐在课桌前，等待布雷耶拉比回来。
I took out my Carl Yastrzemski, turned it over, and carefully wrote my name across the back.
我拿出卡尔·雅斯特泽姆斯基 (Carl Yastrzemski)，将其翻过来，在背面小心翼翼地写下我的名字。
I didn't want to lose him and didn't plan on flipping him.
我不想失去他，也不打算抛弃他。
"Name of the Creator!" Rabbi Breyer shouted.
“造物主之名！”布雷耶拉比喊道。
I jumped and turned to find him standing beside me, his face red, his furious finger pointing at the baseball card on my desk.
我跳了起来，转身发现他站在我旁边，脸涨得通红，愤怒的手指着我桌上的棒球卡。
"Name of the Creator!" he shouted again.
“造物主之名！”他再次喊道。
He grabbed the card from my desk.
他从我桌上抓起那张卡。
Name of the Creator?
造物主的名字？
I was confused.
我很困惑。
Yaz?
亚兹？
Rabbi Breyer slapped my hand, grabbed me by the ear, and led me to the head of the classroom.
布雷耶拉比拍了我的手，抓住我的耳朵，把我带到教室的尽头。
He held Yastrzemski over his head and shook him.
他将亚斯特热姆斯基举过头顶并摇晃他。
"This," he declared loudly, "must never be thrown away.
“这个，”他大声宣布，“绝对不能扔掉。
It must never touch the ground.
它绝不能接触地面。
It must never be covered." Then Rabbi Breyer waved the card in my face and told me that my name was the same name as God's.
它绝对不能被覆盖。”然后布雷耶拉比在我面前挥舞着卡片并告诉我我的名字和上帝的名字一样。
And I must never write it again.
我绝对不能再写它了。
The Jewish God has 72 names.
犹太教的上帝有 72 个名字。
And even though I was only eight years old, I already knew a lot of them.
尽管我只有八岁，但我已经认识了很多。
There was Adonai.
有阿多奈。
There was Yahweh.
有耶和华。
There was Elohim.
那里有埃洛希姆。
There was He Who is Full of Mercy, He Who is Quick to Anger, the Holy Spirit, the Divine Presence, the Rock, the Savior.
那里有一位满有怜悯的主、一位容易发怒的主、圣灵、神圣临在、磐石、救主。
And now, somewhere near the bottom of the list, there was Shalom-- peace-- my name.
现在，在列表底部附近的某个地方，有 Shalom——和平——我的名字。
Rabbi Breyer handed me the baseball card, and told me to take it to the prayer hall upstairs and immediately put it in the Shaimos Box.
布雷耶拉比把棒球卡递给我，并让我把它带到楼上的祈祷厅，并立即将其放入 Shaimos Box 中。
Shaimos means "names," and it was the place where any old or unusable names of God are left to be discarded-- pages from prayer books, crumbling Talmuds, old Torah scrolls, and-- from now on-- anything I wrote my name on.
Shaimos 的意思是“名字”，这里是所有旧的或无法使用的上帝名字都被丢弃的地方——祈祷书上的书页、破碎的塔木德、古老的托拉卷轴，以及——从现在开始——任何我写下我名字的东西。
When the box was filled, the rabbis would take it outside, dig a hole, and bury the pages in the ground.
当盒子装满后，拉比们会把它拿到外面，挖一个洞，然后把书页埋在地里。
From now on, Rabbi Breyer said, when writing my name, I was to replace the last Hebrew letter, the M sound, with a simple apostrophe.
布雷耶拉比说，从现在开始，在写我的名字时，我要把最后一个希伯来字母，即M的发音，用一个简单的撇号代替。
I was no longer Shalom.
我不再是沙洛姆了。
I was Shalo'.
我是夏洛。
I headed upstairs with a sigh.
我叹了一口气，上楼了。
Life with God's name was more difficult than I imagined.
拥有上帝之名的生活比我想象的更困难。
I was annoyed with God for being so selfish with them all.
我对上帝如此自私而感到恼火。
He had 71 other names.
他还有 71 个其他名字。
I couldn't see why he'd mind so much if I used just one.
我不明白为什么如果我只使用一个他会那么介意。
I didn't want to tell God how to do his job, but I wondered if maybe there weren't bigger things for him to be worrying about than who was using one of his six dozen names without permission.
我不想告诉上帝如何做他的工作，但我想知道是否没有比谁未经许可使用他的六打名字之一更值得他担心的事情了。
Isn't this, I wondered, what led to holocausts?
我想知道，这难道不是导致大屠杀的原因吗？
The Shaimos Box in the prayer hall filled quickly-- my homework, my test papers, my "what I did this summer," even my Highlights for Children-- and buried at the bottom of the box, a pair of underpants my mother had written my name on with permanent marker.
祈祷厅里的沙莫斯盒子很快就装满了——我的作业、我的试卷、我的“今年夏天我做了什么”，甚至是我的儿童亮点——盒子的底部埋着一条内裤，我母亲用永久性记号笔在上面写下了我的名字。
It seemed I couldn't go an hour without making something holy.
看来我不能一个小时不做一些神圣的事情。
And I wasn't the only one.
而且我不是唯一一个。
Every morning, my mother wrote my name on my lunch bag-- the name of God in bright red magic marker, with a quickly drawn smiley face just below it.
每天早上，妈妈都会在我的午餐袋上写下我的名字——用鲜红色的魔法记号笔写下上帝的名字，下面还有一个快速画出的笑脸。
And every afternoon, Rabbi Breyer would grab my lunch bag, shout, "Name of the Creator!" dump the food out onto my desk, and send me upstairs to the Shaimos Box with my suddenly sacred lunch bag.
每天下午，布雷耶拉比都会抓起我的午餐袋，大喊：“造物主的名字！”把食物倒在我的桌子上，然后把我带着突然神圣的午餐袋送上楼去 Shaimos Box。
It didn't end with writing.
事情并没有随着写作而结束。
I was standing at the urinal one day when Avi came in.
有一天，阿维进来时，我正站在小便池前。
"Hey, Shalom," he said.
“嘿，沙洛姆，”他说。
"Name of the Creator!" Rabbi Breyer shouted from inside the nearby stall.
“造物主之名！”布雷耶拉比在附近的隔间里喊道。
"Name of the Creator!" We heard him fumbling with his pants and ran back to class.
“造物主之名！”我们听到他摸索裤子的声音，然后跑回教室。
Later, as we sat with our heads down as punishment, Rabbi Breyer explained that speaking God's name in the bathroom was also forbidden.
后来，当我们低下头坐下来作为惩罚时，布雷耶拉比解释说，在浴室里说出上帝的名字也是被禁止的。
And then, a few weeks later, it suddenly all clicked.
然后，几周后，一切突然灵光一闪。
I began spelling my name with an apostrophe without even thinking.
我想都没想就开始用撇号拼写我的名字。
My mother stopped writing my name on my lunch bag.
我妈妈不再在我的午餐袋上写我的名字了。
And my friends stopped saying hello to me in the bathroom.
我的朋友们不再在浴室里向我打招呼。
It had been a hassle at the beginning, but now the whole God thing was growing on me.
一开始这很麻烦，但现在整个上帝的事情在我身上越来越强烈。
My classmates were named after rabbis and forefathers.
我的同学是以拉比和祖先的名字命名的。
Abraham?
亚伯拉罕？
Isaac?
艾萨克？
Jacob?
雅各布？
Please.
请。
I was named after God.
我是以上帝的名字命名的。
So I was surprised a few days later when I heard Rabbi Breyer in the middle of an exam on the first chapter of Genesis shout, "Name of the Creator!" I turned around, expecting to see him standing beside me.
因此，几天后，当我听到布雷耶拉比在《创世记》第一章的考试中大喊“造物主的名字！”时，我感到很惊讶。我转过头，期待看到他站在我身边。
But he was on the far side of the classroom, standing behind Shlomo's desk, pointing a furious finger at Shlomo's test paper.
但他在教室的另一边，站在什洛莫的桌子后面，用手指愤怒地指着什洛莫的试卷。
"Name of the Creator!" he shouted again.
“造物主之名！”他再次喊道。
And he slapped Shlomo's hand, grabbed him by the ear, and dragged him to the front of the class.
他拍了什洛莫的手，抓住他的耳朵，把他拖到了班级前面。
Shlomo isn't technically a name of God, but it means His shalom, His peace.
从技术上讲，什洛莫并不是上帝的名字，但它的意思是他的平安，他的平安。
And for some reason, that day, Rabbi Breyer decided that was close enough.
出于某种原因，那天，拉比布雷耶认为这已经足够接近了。
But instead of feeling relieved that someone else in our classroom would share the burden of a holy name, I was disappointed.
但是，当我们教室里的其他人分担圣名的负担时，我并没有感到如释重负，反而感到失望。
It was a pain in the ass being named God.
被称为上帝真是一件痛苦的事。
But it was my pain.
但这是我的痛苦。
And it was my ass.
那是我的屁股。
Rabbi Breyer handed Shlomo his test paper and told me to take him upstairs to show him where the Shaimos Box was.
布雷耶拉比把他的试卷递给什洛莫，并让我带他上楼，告诉他沙莫斯盒子在哪里。
I still didn't quite understand God's reasoning behind the third commandment of, "Thou shall not use my name in vain," but I suddenly had a pretty good idea of the reason behind the first, "Thou shall have no other gods besides me." It's one thing to be the only God.
我仍然不太明白上帝第三条诫命“不可妄称我的名”背后的原因，但我突然很清楚第一条诫命“除我以外，不可有别的神”背后的原因。成为独一的神是一回事。
It's quite another, lesser thing to be one of two.
成为两者之一是另一回事，更次要的事情。
I headed upstairs with Shlomo two steps behind me.
我上楼，什洛莫在我身后两步。
I wanted to push him down the stairs.
我想把他推下楼梯。
I wanted to shove him out the window.
我真想把他推到窗外。
As we walked toward the prayer hall, I remembered that Rabbi Breyer told us that Moses had killed an Egyptian by uttering the name of God.
当我们走向祈祷厅时，我记得布雷耶拉比告诉我们，摩西通过说出上帝的名字杀死了一个埃及人。
Shlomo pushed his way in front of me and hurried to the Shaimos Box.
什洛莫在我面前挤了过去，匆匆走向沙莫斯包厢。
"Adonai," I whispered.
“阿多奈，”我低声说道。
Nothing.
没有什么。
"Yahweh," I said.
“耶和华，”我说。
Nothing.
没有什么。
I couldn't bear to watch him violating my Shaimos Box, so I turned and headed back to class, Shlomo running behind me, trying to keep up, using my name in vain, and calling, "Shalom, Shalom, wait up," as I squeezed my eyes shut and whispered, one last time, "Elohim." Nothing.
我无法忍受看着他侵犯我的 Shaimos Box，所以我转身回到教室，Shlomo 跑在我身后，试图跟上，徒劳地使用我的名字，喊道：“Shalom，Shalom，等等，”我闭上眼睛，最后一次低声说，“Elohim。”没有什么。
Shalom Auslander.
沙洛姆·奥斯兰德.
He has a book of short stories called Beware of God and the memoir, Foreskins Lament.
他有一本短篇小说集《当心上帝》和回忆录《包皮哀歌》。
This brings us to the fourth commandment, "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
这就引出了第四条诫命：“当记念安息日，守为圣日。
Six days will you labor, but the seventh is a day of rest dedicated to the Lord your God."
你们要劳动六天，但第七天是安息日，献给耶和华你们的上帝。”
Good morning, everyone.
大家早上好。
Congregation Good morning.
会众早上好。
It is awesome to see you tonight.
今晚见到你真是太棒了。
Thank you for coming to worship with us.
感谢您来和我们一起敬拜。
The ushers are going to come forward now.
引座员现在要上前来。
I'm going to be reading from the 48th division of Psalms.
我要读诗篇第 48 部分。
"Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised.
“耶和华本为大，当受极大的赞美。
In the city of our God--"
在我们上帝的城里——”
We also begin with words of blessing at the bottom of page 104.
我们也在第 104 页的底部以祝福的话开始。
[SPEAKING HEBREW] Man 3 [SPEAKING LATIN]
[说希伯来语] 男人 3 [说拉丁语]
Here are six congregations in six different cities, remembering the Sabbath and trying to keep it holy.
这里有来自六个不同城市的六个会众，他们牢记安息日并努力保持其神圣。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Woman 1 Lord, we pray for our sick and shut in everywhere, Lord.
[阿拉伯语] 女人 1 主啊，我们为各地的病人和被困的人祈祷，主啊。
There are sick among us, Lord Jesus, that need you.
主耶稣，我们中间有病人需要你。
Lord, we pray for the homeless on today.
主啊，我们今天为无家可归者祈祷。
The men, the women--
男人们、女人们——
United now in faith, we pray.
我们祈祷，现在凭着信仰团结起来。
May the Lord look with kindness upon all efforts to uphold the dignity of marriage and of family life, we pray to the Lord.
我们向主祈祷，愿主仁慈地看待所有维护婚姻和家庭生活尊严的努力。
Lord, hear our prayer.
主啊，求你垂听我们的祷告。
We pray, especially, for the Neely family.
我们特别为尼利一家祈祷。
We pray for the loss in the Golumbiski family on the loss of a cousin.
我们为失去表弟的哥伦比斯基家族祈祷。
And here, all of us, can learn something from an ancient text which seems so irrelevant.
在这里，我们所有人都可以从一段看似无关紧要的古老文本中学到一些东西。
When someone has, for whatever reason, had to separate themselves from society, the priest has to get involved, and help this person get back into the community.
当某人出于某种原因不得不脱离社会时，牧师必须介入并帮助这个人重返社区。
People claim nowadays that they are the first one who are asking for the womens' right.
现在人们声称他们是第一个要求妇女权利的人。
Islam, about 15 centuries ago, said, all people, you must consider the rights of your wives.
大约15世纪前的伊斯兰教说，所有人，你必须考虑你妻子的权利。
Be kind and nice to them.
对他们友善和友善。
Feel Allah in your wives, and be good to them.
在你的妻子身上感受阿拉，善待她们。
Oh, Allah, be my witness.
哦，阿拉，请为我作证。
Do I have a witness?
我有证人吗？
We are the bride of Christ!
我们是基督的新娘！
Why?
为什么？
Because Christ died for us.
因为基督为我们而死。
He is married to us.
他和我们结婚了。
And we need to understand what marriage means.
我们需要了解婚姻意味着什么。
You can't be married and cheating.
你不能一边结婚一边出轨。
And there are far to many of us cheating on Jesus.
我们当中有很多人欺骗了耶稣。
Nobody comes before Jesus.
没有人来到耶稣面前。
Turn to our hymnals on page 154, All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name.
翻到我们的赞美诗第 154 页，所有人都欢呼耶稣之名的力量。
We'll all stand.
我们都会站起来。
Amen.
阿门。
Amen.
阿门。
Thank you all for coming.
谢谢大家的到来。
And you're all welcome to stay.
欢迎大家留下来。
(SINGING) Speak, oh Lord, as we come to you to receive the fruit of your holy word.
（歌唱）主啊，当我们来到你面前接受你圣言的果实时，请说话。
This is the Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas.
这是位于德克萨斯州卡罗尔顿的弯树圣经团契。
And before that, the Northwest Venice United Methodist Church in Corunna, Michigan, Faith Tabernacle Baptist Church in Chicago, the Muslim Community Association mosque in Ann Arbor, Michigan, Temple Rodef Shalom in Falls Church, Virginia, and Our Lady of Angels Monastery in Hanceville, Alabama.
在此之前，还有密歇根州科伦纳的西北威尼斯联合卫理公会教堂、芝加哥的信仰帐幕浸信会教堂、密歇根州安娜堡的穆斯林社区协会清真寺、弗吉尼亚州福尔斯彻奇的罗德夫沙洛姆神庙以及阿拉巴马州汉斯维尔的圣母天使修道院。
We recorded them in 2007, when we first broadcast today's show.
我们在 2007 年录制了它们，当时我们第一次播出今天的节目。
If you're just tuning in, we are devoting our show today to the Ten Commandments, and we are at commandment number five right now, "Honor your father and your mother." When he was 11, in Charleston, South Carolina, Jack Hitt and his friends back then formed a little club where they would hang out at this one backyard that was all overgrown and which they thought of at the time as a jungle.
如果你刚刚收看，我们今天的节目主要讨论十诫，我们现在正在遵守第五诫，“尊敬你的父亲和你的母亲。” 11 岁时，杰克·希特 (Jack Hitt) 在南卡罗来纳州查尔斯顿 (Charleston) 和他的朋友们成立了一个小俱乐部，他们会在这个杂草丛生、当时被他们视为丛林的后院闲逛。
It had a big brick wall along one side.
它的一侧有一堵大砖墙。
And they started doing things that did not honor their fathers and their mothers.
他们开始做一些不尊重父母的事情。
Anyway, we had declared it to be our land.
无论如何，我们已经宣布它是我们的土地。
We were squatters.
我们是擅自占地者。
And so we started painting things on the wall.
所以我们开始在墙上画东西。
And one of us painted a naked woman.
我们中的一个人画了一个裸体女人。
And one of us wrote his name and then "loves" and then, you know, the girl he had a thing for at that time.
我们中的一个写下了他的名字，然后“爱”了，然后，你知道，他当时喜欢的那个女孩。
And that's how he got caught because he wrote his name on the wall.
这就是他被抓的原因，因为他把自己的名字写在墙上。
And then I wrote all these bad words.
然后我写下了所有这些脏话。
I just wrote every bad word I could think of.
我只是写下了我能想到的所有不好的词。
And so I came home one day, and the police came to my house and told my parents-- or called my father at work or something.
有一天我回到家，警察来到我家告诉我的父母——或者打电话给我正在上班的父亲什么的。
And anyway, he came home early from work.
不管怎样，他下班很早就回家了。
And he sat me down in his big study and said, you know, I understand you painted some words on a wall?
他让我在他的大书房里坐下来，说，你知道吗，我知道你在墙上画了一些字？
And I was like, oh, my god.
我当时想，哦，天啊。
I just burst into tears.
我简直泪流满面。
You know?
你知道？
I was just beyond control.
我简直无法控制。
My father never cursed, at least not in front of us.
我父亲从来不骂人，至少在我们面前不骂人。
And he was very strict about language.
而且他对语言的要求非常严格。
And so he asked me what words I painted on the wall.
于是他问我在墙上画了什么字。
And I think I choked out, "H-E-double hockey sticks," or something.
我想我哽咽了，“H-E-双曲棍球棒”之类的。
And you know, he kind of looked down, hmm.
你知道，他有点低下头，嗯。
"Very grave, indeed.
“确实非常严重。
Anything else?"
还有什么事吗？”
I was like, yeah.
我当时想，是的。
That was just the warm up.
那只是热身。
And so then I said, you know, I painted the other words.
然后我说，你知道，我画了其他的词。
I can't say them.
我不能说他们。
I can't say them.
我不能说他们。
And then he said, oh.
然后他说，哦。
Well, tell me what it started with.
好吧，告诉我它是从什么开始的。
You know, he was going to get it out of me.
你知道，他想从我这里得到它。
So I coughed up the letter S.
所以我吐出了字母S。
And he was just-- his eyes blazed.
他只是——他的眼睛闪闪发光。
And he bowed his head.
他低下了头。
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
"Anything else?" And I could not be contained.
“还要别的吗？”我无法控制。
I was wailing around on the sofa.
我在沙发上嚎啕大哭。
I said, there's only one word left, and yeah, I painted it.
我说，只剩下一个字了，是的，我画了。
And he was just-- I think he was actually thunderstruck.
他只是——我认为他实际上是受到了惊吓。
And then he sat there in silence for a few minutes.
然后他静静地坐了几分钟。
And then he looked up at me, and he said-- now, you have to understand, my father comes from the rural area, marries the southern belle in Charleston, South Carolina.
然后他抬头看着我，他说——现在，你必须明白，我的父亲来自农村地区，娶了南卡罗来纳州查尔斯顿的南方美女。
So marriage of two kinds of families, you know, in the south.
所以，在南方，有两种家庭的婚姻。
And he said, son, I've worked all my life to make sure that when you or your sisters or your brother walk down the street, people say, there goes a Hitt.
他说，儿子，我一生都在努力确保当你或你的姐妹或你的兄弟走在街上时，人们会说，有一个希特。
They're good people.
他们是好人。
I don't think anything that anybody in this family has done has damaged that reputation as much as you have today.
我不认为这个家族中任何人所做的任何事情都像你今天一样损害了这个声誉。
And he said, that is your punishment.
他说，这就是对你的惩罚。
You may go now.
你现在可以走了。
You know, I was 11.
你知道，我当时11岁。
Wow.
哇。
Jack Hitt I was just-- I was floored, you know?
杰克·希特 我当时——我很震惊，你知道吗？
I asked him, I think, to spank me.
我想，我要求他打我屁股。
Because, of course, part of me wanted an explosion that would end it.
当然，因为我内心的一部分想要一场爆炸来结束这一切。
But he said, when he dismissed me from the room-- he said, you know, this has been your punishment.
但他说，当他把我逐出房间时，他说，你知道，这是对你的惩罚。
And then, of course, you know, a couple of months later, he dies.
然后，当然，你知道，几个月后，他去世了。
And that's one of my last memories-- is him telling me that.
这是我最后的记忆之一——是他告诉我的。
Well, I'll tell you-- years later, we had a little family reunion.
好吧，我告诉你——几年后，我们举行了一次小小的家庭聚会。
I might have been 20.
我可能已经20岁了。
I mean, I was in college.
我是说，我当时在上大学。
And all my siblings got together.
我所有的兄弟姐妹都聚在一起。
And they were all married at this point.
此时他们都已经结婚了。
And we dismissed all the in-laws to go see the movies.
然后我们就打发走了所有的公婆去看电影。
And the five of us stayed out really late talking.
我们五个人在外面聊天到很晚。
And I don't think we'd ever really talked about our father in any deep way since he had died.
我认为自从父亲去世后我们就没有真正深入地谈论过他。
And I started telling that story, and I had never told that story, because I was ashamed of it.
我开始讲那个故事，但我从未讲过那个故事，因为我为此感到羞耻。
It was the black mark on the family, that I had done this, right?
我做的这件事给家里留下了污点，对吗？
And I couldn't bring to-- I'd never told anybody that story.
我无法告诉任何人这个故事。
And I started telling that story.
我开始讲述这个故事。
And all my sisters start wailing with laughter.
我所有的姐妹都开始大笑起来。
And then they all start telling the story that-- what they had done that had prompted, essentially, the exact same speech.
然后他们都开始讲述这个故事——他们所做的事情基本上引发了完全相同的演讲。
Like, one of them had been caught shoplifting in Atlanta, and he had to fly there and get her.
比如，其中一人在亚特兰大入店行窃被抓，他必须飞到那里去接她。
You know?
你知道？
And that was just, you know, a terrible story.
你知道，那只是一个可怕的故事。
I'd never heard that one before you.
在你之前我从没听过这个。
And I thought, hoo-wee, well, you know, painting a few bad words on a wall, that's nothing compared to shoplifting in Atlanta.
我想，哎哟，好吧，你知道，在墙上画一些脏话，这与亚特兰大的入店行窃相比算不了什么。
And was this the first time that everybody else was realizing that he had said the speech to them too?
这是其他人第一次意识到他也对他们发表了演讲吗？
Or were you the only one who didn't know?
或者你是唯一一个不知道的人？
I think I was the only one who didn't know.
我想我是唯一一个不知道的人。
I mean, they're much older than I am.
我的意思是，他们比我大很多。
I'm a mistake, right?
我是一个错误，对吗？
So my oldest sister is 16 years older than I am.
所以我的大姐姐比我大16岁。
So I think what was kind of moving about that whole encounter is that all of them had long ago forgotten their particular crime that had prompted Daddy to give them the big reputation speech.
所以我认为，整个遭遇中令人感动的是，他们所有人都早已忘记了促使爸爸对他们进行盛誉演讲的特殊罪行。
But you know, when I brought it up, it suddenly-- for all of them, that all flooded back.
但你知道，当我提起这件事时，对他们所有人来说，这一切突然涌了回来。
I mean, it just created this great little moment where we all suddenly realized we were, you know-- the whole family was just so defined by my father's rather Baptist sense of morality.
我的意思是，它创造了这个伟大的小时刻，我们突然意识到，你知道，整个家庭都被我父亲相当浸信会的道德感所定义。
Jack Hitt is the co-host of the podcast "Uncivil."
杰克·希特是播客“Uncivil”的联合主持人。
Well, the sixth commandment seems like it could not be more straightforward.
嗯，第六条诫命似乎再简单不过了。
"Thou shalt not kill." But of course, even this is one that is not always so simple to know how to obey.
“你不许杀人。”但当然，即使是这样，也并不总是那么容易知道如何服从。
Army Reserve Chaplain Lieutenant Colonel Lyn Brown is back in this country from Iraq, where he has served two tours.
陆军预备役牧师林恩·布朗中校从伊拉克返回美国，他曾在伊拉克服役过两次。
When he was in Iraq, he would run services for his unit once a week.
当他在伊拉克时，他每周都会为他的部队提供一次服务。
But most of his ministry was just talking to guys one on one.
但他的大部分事工只是与人一对一交谈。
The main issue they have, he says, is about missing their families.
他说，他们面临的主要问题是想念家人。
But often they talk to him about killing.
但他们经常和他谈论杀戮。
He spoke with Alex Blumberg.
他与亚历克斯·布隆伯格进行了交谈。
I did meet with one soldier on several occasions to just work through the commandment.
我确实曾多次与一名士兵会面，只是为了执行这条诫命。
This young man had actually, along with another soldier, gone forward when the vehicle in front of them had been blown up to hold the hand of a soldier who was not going to survive.
当前面的车辆被炸毁时，这个年轻人居然和另一名士兵一起向前走去，握住了一个已经死了的士兵的手。
Somebody had told me that he was having a tough time.
有人告诉我他过得很艰难。
And so I went over to him, and I just said, you know, what are you thinking?
所以我走向他，我只是说，你知道，你在想什么？
And he said, I never thought about the killing that would be going on.
他说，我从来没有想过会发生这样的杀戮。
You know, when you're firing at a target to practice, you think of those things as targets, not as people.
你知道，当你练习射击目标时，你会把那些东西当作目标，而不是人。
And for him to be there and to see that he had some buddies that were on the receiving end-- and he was just saying, the Ten Commandments in the Bible says, "Thou shalt not kill." And he says, I'm not certain I can go out and kill.
对于他来说，看到他有一些朋友在接收端——他只是说，《圣经》中的十诫说：“不可杀人。”他说，我不确定我是否可以出去杀人。
Was his concern with it, like, God wouldn't forgive him, or that it was wrong?
他是否担心上帝不会原谅他，或者这是错误的？
Well, it was that God wouldn't approve of him doing that.
好吧，那是上帝不会批准他这样做。
Right.
正确的。
Lyn Brown And he also brought up just, if you were to do it, who could he tell?
Lyn Brown 他还提出，如果你要这样做，他能告诉谁？
Because, he said, I wouldn't want to tell my girlfriend about this.
因为，他说，我不想告诉我女朋友这件事。
I wouldn't want to tell my children.
我不想告诉我的孩子们。
And that's why I went ahead and had a little Bible study with him.
这就是为什么我继续和他一起学习一些圣经。
It was the kind of thing that I did meet with him on several occasions to find out what God had to say about war, and where did the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill,"-- where did that come in?
我确实曾多次与他会面，以了解上帝对战争的看法，以及“不可杀人”的诫命从何而来？
But also to work through other instances where-- for example, in the New Testament, where Jesus meets an army officer who has a child who's dying, and he asks Jesus if he would heal his daughter.
但也要处理其他实例，例如，在新约中，耶稣遇到一位军官，他的孩子快要死了，他问耶稣是否会医治他的女儿。
But the interesting thing I would point out is that Jesus never condemned the soldier for his job.
但我要指出的有趣的是，耶稣从未谴责士兵的工作。
Now, I also know that when King David wanted to build a temple that God said, no. He said, your son's going to do it because you're a man of blood.
现在，我还知道，当大卫王想要建造一座圣殿时，上帝说不。他说，你儿子会这么做，因为你是一个有血性的人。
And so there's a lot of controversy, as you can imagine, as to trying to interpret what God was talking about there.
因此，正如你可以想象的那样，对于试图解释上帝在那里所说的内容存在很多争议。
And of course, that seems to reflect on, you know, even my role as a chaplain.
当然，这似乎也反映了我作为牧师的角色。
You know, why am I wearing an Army uniform and trying to deal with people who are out to kill people?
你知道吗，为什么我要穿着军装去对付那些想要杀人的人？
Are there times that you feel that faith and the US military are sort of at odds?
您是否有时会觉得信仰和美国军方有些矛盾？
Yes.
是的。
You know, we preach the love of God and the fact that we ought to be at peace with each other.
你知道，我们宣扬神的爱以及我们应该彼此和睦相处的事实。
And the same time I'm wearing a uniform that says US Army on it.
与此同时，我穿着一件上面写着“美国陆军”的制服。
And I'm there to support them in their mission of winning a war.
我在那里支持他们赢得战争的使命。
And that means taking lives.
这意味着夺走生命。
So I do wrestle with that.
所以我确实在努力解决这个问题。
I mean, there's times that you just kind of go, you know, God, can I resign here?
我的意思是，有时候你会想，上帝啊，我可以在这里辞职吗？
Right?
正确的？
Can I get away from this?
我能摆脱这个吗？
Rather than having to deal with the questioning that people have and often not having answers.
而不是必须处理人们提出的问题却常常得不到答案。
I mean, I think that probably the biggest challenge that I ever had was I couldn't just say, just think this way, and you'll be fine.
我的意思是，我认为我遇到的最大挑战可能是我不能只是说，只要这样想，你就会没事的。
There were times that they were asking the same questions that I would be asking.
有时他们会问我同样的问题。
Such as?
例如？
Lyn Brown Well, should we be here?
林恩·布朗 好吧，我们应该在这里吗？
Should we be killing people?
我们应该杀人吗？
Do you think that you have a different understanding of this particular commandment, about the fifth commandment, "Thou shalt not kill?" Do you feel like you have a different understanding of it after serving in Iraq than, perhaps, somebody who didn't serve?
你认为你对这条特定的诫命，即第五条诫命“不可杀人”有不同的理解吗？您是否觉得在伊拉克服役后您对伊拉克问题的理解与未服役的人有所不同？
I think I'm much more hesitant about having a definite opinion about who should die.
我想我对谁应该死有一个明确的看法更加犹豫。
Just seeing the brutality and the people who've got body parts missing or there's big holes.
只是看到残暴和那些身体部位缺失或有大洞的人。
They died a violent death.
他们死于非命。
And it's not pretty.
而且它并不漂亮。
And it just doesn't seem normal, which it isn't.
这看起来不正常，但事实并非如此。
But also, even with the Iraqi culture, there were times that people just said-- well, whatever group it was they didn't agree with, they just said, kill them all.
而且，即使在伊拉克文化中，有时人们也会说——好吧，无论他们不同意哪个群体，他们只是说，把他们都杀掉。
And I was going, uh, you know, these are people.
我当时想，呃，你知道，这些都是人。
And I didn't like that attitude.
我不喜欢这种态度。
And then I was seeing it, even among the armed forces, that there was people that would just kind of say, well, we just need to kill them all, and then that'll take care of it.
然后我看到，即使在武装部队中，也有人会说，好吧，我们只需要把他们全部杀掉，然后就可以解决问题了。
And I was going, whoa!
我当时就想，哇！
Who nominated you to be God?
谁提名你为神？
You know, we all have a tendency to interpret the Ten Commandments in a way that's convenient for us.
你知道，我们都倾向于以一种对我们来说方便的方式来解释十诫。
There's the interpretation of, "Thou shalt not murder," it shouldn't be a premeditated killing.
有解释说，“不可杀人”，这不应该是有预谋的杀人。
It has nothing do with war.
这与战争无关。
Those kinds of things.
诸如此类的事情。
But it just makes me-- I'm looking at it as a principle that God says, you need to value life, and don't take it lightly.
但这只是让我——我把它视为上帝所说的一条原则，你需要珍惜生命，不要掉以轻心。
Just don't condemn people to death just because that's easy to do.
只是不要仅仅因为这很容易就判处人们死刑。
You got to stop and think about it seriously.
你必须停下来认真思考一下。
This is something that God, Himself, doesn't take lightly.
这是神自己不会掉以轻心的事情。
Army Reserve Chaplain Lieutenant Colonel Lyn Brown talking with Alex Blumberg.
陆军预备役牧师林恩·布朗中校与亚历克斯·布隆伯格交谈。
Coming up-- adultery, thievery, lying, envy.
接下来——通奸、偷窃、说谎、嫉妒。
No, it is not an afternoon of daytime TV.
不，这不是白天电视的下午。
It is the last four commandments.
这是最后四诫。
We have one story for each of them.
我们为他们每个人准备了一个故事。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's "This American Life".
这就是《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our show, of course, we choose a theme, bringing you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's show-- the Ten Commandments.
今天的节目——十诫。
We're doing one story for each of the commandments.
我们正在为每条诫命制作一个故事。
The first few commandments, of course, about how to relate to God.
当然，前几条诫命是关于如何与上帝建立关系的。
Then there's one on relating to your parents.
然后还有一个关于与你父母的关系。
And the rest are all direct injunctions about how to act-- basically, a list of things that you are not supposed to do.
其余的都是关于如何行动的直接禁令——基本上是一系列你不应该做的事情。
We are at commandment number seven, "You shall not commit adultery."
我们遵守第七条诫命：“不可奸淫”。
And yes, we are at the commandment that is about sex.
是的，我们遵守关于性的诫命。
And while there is going to be nothing explicit in this next story, it does acknowledge the existence of sex.
虽然下一个故事不会有任何明确的内容，但它确实承认性的存在。
A little warning there.
有一点警告。
In 1976, in an interview with Playboy magazine, then presidential candidate Jimmy Carter admitted, kind of famously, that he had committed adultery in his heart many times, meaning, of course, that he had had lustful thoughts.
1976年，当时的总统候选人吉米·卡特在接受《花花公子》杂志采访时承认，他曾多次在心里犯下通奸罪，当然，这意味着他曾有过淫荡的想法。
There's this thing that Jesus says in the book of Matthew-- "Whoever looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery in his heart." Dave Dickerson grew up going to an evangelical church in Tucson, Arizona.
耶稣在马太福音中有这样一句话：“凡看见妇女就动淫念的，这人心里犯奸淫了。”戴夫·迪克森 (Dave Dickerson) 从小就在亚利桑那州图森市的一座福音派教堂长大。
And he remembers hearing about what Carter said about committing adultery in his heart.
而且他还记得听过卡特说过他心里犯奸淫的话。
I was eight years old, and I knew just what he was talking about.
我当时八岁，我知道他在说什么。
He was just saying the same thing I had read in my Bible dozens of times.
他只是说了我在圣经里读过几十遍的同样的话。
As an evangelical Christian, I wanted desperately to please God.
作为一名福音派基督徒，我非常想取悦上帝。
So for my entire adolescence and up into my 20s, I literally tried to avoid having lustful thoughts.
因此，从我整个青春期到二十几岁，我确实尽力避免产生淫荡的想法。
I was taught this was possible.
有人告诉我这是可能的。
Paul says in Second Corinthians that we take every thought captive in the name of Jesus, which means that any spiritually healthy person ought to be able to control every thought in his head.
保罗在《哥林多后书》中说，我们奉耶稣的名俘虏每一个思想，这意味着任何灵性健康的人都应该能够控制自己头脑中的每一个思想。
Of course, in practice this is even harder than it sounds.
当然，实际上这比听起来更难。
So for young evangelicals like me there's a whole sub-industry of sex advice columns and books with titles like, Every Man's Struggle or Taking Thoughts Captive.
因此，对于像我这样的年轻福音派人士来说，有一个完整的性建议专栏和书籍子行业，其标题为“每个男人的挣扎”或“俘获思想”。
You find them in the "for men" section of any Christian bookstore.
您可以在任何基督教书店的“男性”部分找到它们。
The first thing they always tell you is that sex is a beautiful gift from God, even though it's a gift they don't want you to touch or even think about because you're just going to ruin it with your filthy paws.
他们总是告诉你的第一件事是，性是上帝赐予的美丽礼物，尽管这是一份他们不希望你触摸甚至思考的礼物，因为你只会用肮脏的爪子毁掉它。
Any physical pleasure, even pleasure you'd give yourself while alone, is completely forbidden.
任何身体上的快乐，甚至是你独处时给自己的快乐，都是完全禁止的。
Then they tell you how to survive until marriage.
然后他们告诉你如何生存到结婚。
They all run some variation on, you can't help the first glance, but you can prevent the second.
它们都有一些变化，第一眼你无法抗拒，但第二眼你可以避免。
You can obey God with your eyes.
你可以用你的眼睛服从上帝。
They don't have to see everything around them.
他们不必看到周围的一切。
If an attractive girl walks by, they don't have to survey her body, but they must obey Jesus Christ.
如果一个漂亮的女孩走过，他们不必审视她的身体，但他们必须服从耶稣基督。
This is Josh Harris in the audio version of his book, Not Even a Hint, Guarding Your Heart Against Lust.
这是乔什·哈里斯 (Josh Harris) 在他的书《连一丝暗示都没有，保护你的心免受欲望侵害》的音频版本中。
It's full of practical tips.
它充满了实用的技巧。
I don't know about your house, but at our home, all kinds of sensuous and provocative clothing catalogs arrive in the mail uninvited.
我不知道你家怎么样，但在我们家，各种性感和挑衅的服装目录都会不请自来地邮寄过来。
I've come to realize that I have to view even getting my mail as a battleground.
我开始意识到，即使是收到邮件，我也必须将其视为战场。
Will I throw them away immediately or steal glances and flip through them for a quick thrill?
我会立即扔掉它们，还是偷看并翻阅它们以获得快速刺激？
If you're a guy with a similar struggle, ask your wife or mother to help you in this area by ridding your home of these unnecessary temptations.
如果你也有类似的困扰，请让你的妻子或母亲在这方面帮助你，让你的家摆脱这些不必要的诱惑。
Other tips-- these books tell you to watch TV with the remote in your hand so if a sexy beer commercial comes on or when the sports camera cuts to the cheerleaders, you can immediately jump to another channel.
其他提示——这些书告诉你用手中的遥控器看电视，这样如果出现性感的啤酒广告或当体育镜头切换到拉拉队时，你可以立即跳到另一个频道。
And be honest with yourself, when you watch ESPN2, aren't you hoping to see gymnastics?
老实说，当你看 ESPN2 时，你不希望看到体操吗？
And guys need daily quiet time to read the Bible and pray for strength in the fight against temptation.
男人们需要每天安静的时间来阅读圣经并祈祷获得对抗诱惑的力量。
I don't know why, but in my case, none of this ever worked.
我不知道为什么，但就我而言，这一切都不起作用。
I wanted it to work, longed for it desperately.
我想让它发挥作用，极度渴望它。
But every week or so, late at night, I'd give in.
但大约每周，深夜，我都会屈服。
"M happened again," I would write in my journal, as if it weren't an action but an event, something that could just engulf you, like a flash flood or a car accident, something so terrible it could only be referred to in code.
“M 又发生了，”我会在日记中写道，就好像这不是一个动作，而是一个事件，某种可能会吞没你的东西，就像一场山洪或一场车祸，这种可怕的东西只能用代码来提及。
I was an adulterer.
我是一个通奸者。
That's what the Bible told me.
这就是圣经告诉我的。
And I struggled with the guilt of that every day.
我每天都在愧疚中挣扎。
After high school, I went to a huge state college in Tucson.
高中毕业后，我去了图森的一所大型州立大学。
And on warm days, I would walk across campus feeling like a monster because I believed that noticing a girl's body was the spiritual equivalent of something like sexual assault.
在温暖的日子里，我会感觉自己像个怪物穿过校园，因为我相信注意到女孩的身体在精神上相当于性侵犯。
I assumed all this was the same for all of us fundamentalist kids.
我以为这一切对我们所有原教旨主义孩子来说都是一样的。
At every all-guys prayer meeting I ever went to, someone was always asking for help with their thought life.
在我参加的每一次全民祈祷会上，总是有人在思想生活上寻求帮助。
But I'd never actually asked if anyone had quite the same problems I did.
但我从来没有真正问过是否有人遇到和我一样的问题。
So I called my friend, Derek, a missionaries' kid who was my best friend from church back then.
于是我给我的朋友德里克打了电话，他是一位传教士的孩子，也是我当时在教堂里最好的朋友。
You're right.
你说得对。
It wasn't your own obsession at all.
这根本不是你自己的痴迷。
I developed a technique of seeing girls as just floating heads.
我开发了一种将女孩视为漂浮的头的技术。
It was like, just learn you're just not going to look below the neck.
就像，只要知道你不会看脖子以下的地方。
Because it's like--
因为它就像——
It did have this funny effect on-- I mean, I was a cartoonist for my college newspaper.
它确实对——我的意思是，我是大学报纸的漫画家产生了这种有趣的影响。
And I didn't actually know how to draw girls really.
我其实并不知道如何画女孩。
I mean, you can see--
我的意思是，你可以看到——
That's right.
没错。
Derek You can see when I would draw a female figure, top to bottom, in a cartoon, there's an awkwardness to it because I didn't actually know what they looked like.
德里克：你可以看到，当我在漫画中从上到下画一个女性人物时，会有一种尴尬，因为我实际上不知道她们长什么样。
And it's those kind of things that were kind of-- it's funny to look back and talk about them now, but it was all very dead serious back then.
现在回想起来，谈论这些事情很有趣，但当时一切都非常严肃。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
That's the other thing.
那是另一回事。
I mean, it seems so trivial and silly, and yet it caused actual agony.
我的意思是，这看起来是如此琐碎和愚蠢，但它却引起了真正的痛苦。
You know, we felt depraved.
你知道，我们感到堕落。
Yeah, and there's this terrible-- a real anger, a sense of unfairness at the media.
是的，这很可怕——真正的愤怒，对媒体的不公平感。
Like, Coors Lite put up these billboards with women in swimsuits on them, and they were very well-designed swimsuits.
比如，Coors Lite 就贴了这些广告牌，上面都是穿着泳衣的女性，而且都是设计得非常好的泳衣。
And then there they would be, right?
然后他们就会在那里，对吗？
Like, right up in the sky.
就像，就在天空中。
You know?
你知道？
And so you just felt like the devil was just absolutely this very wily opponent.
所以你会觉得魔鬼绝对是一个非常狡猾的对手。
And it's just in your face all the time.
而且它一直就在你的脸上。
And it's so frustrating if you're trying not to go out of your way to look for it, but then it seems like everybody's pushing it in your face.
如果你试图不去寻找它，但似乎每个人都把它推到你面前，那真是令人沮丧。
Do you ever, you know, wish you could go back?
你知道吗，你曾经希望能够回去吗？
Yeah.
是的。
You know, it's funny you should ask that because I have actually had that imaginary conversation before.
你知道，你问这个问题很有趣，因为我以前确实有过这样的想象对话。
You see some time travel movie and fantasize like, wow, if I had a chance to go back, what would I tell that kid?
你看了一些时间旅行电影并幻想，哇，如果我有机会回去，我会告诉那个孩子什么？
And I think I would tell myself, you know what?
我想我会告诉自己，你知道吗？
You spend so much time straining over this one issue that you are avoiding, or overlooking, the whole rest of your spiritual journey.
你花了太多的时间在这个问题上，以至于你回避或忽视了你的精神旅程的整个其余部分。
I wasted a lot of time.
我浪费了很多时间。
That was a lot of time wasted obsessing.
那是浪费了很多时间。
And I think that's kind of what you found out yourself, too, right?
我想这也是你自己发现的，对吧？
Like, it just gets to a point where things crack instead of bending.
就像，事情已经到了破裂而不是弯曲的地步。
He's right.
他是对的。
They do crack.
它们确实会破裂。
And for me, they cracked worse than for Derek.
对我来说，它们的破裂程度比对德里克来说更严重。
I couldn't buy porn.
我买不到色情片。
That was obviously forbidden.
这显然是被禁止的。
I didn't have a girlfriend.
我没有女朋友。
I couldn't even watch MTV.
我什至无法观看 MTV。
So the only sexual experiences I'd had were the ones that happened by accident-- a woman bending over in a low-cut shirt, for instance.
所以我唯一的性经历都是偶然发生的——例如，一个穿着低胸衬衫弯腰的女人。
And then at 22, I started finding myself walking slowly along campus, or in supermarkets, or the library, hoping to see another accidental glimpse of something.
然后在 22 岁的时候，我开始慢慢地沿着校园、超市或图书馆行走，希望能再次偶然瞥见一些东西。
It took more and more of my time.
这花费了我越来越多的时间。
My grades started to suffer.
我的成绩开始下降。
I was like a stalker, but a shy one, with incredibly low standards.
我就像一个跟踪者，但很害羞，标准低得令人难以置信。
Then after a couple unbearable months of this, I begged my pastor for help.
经过几个月的难以忍受之后，我向我的牧师寻求帮助。
He suggested Sex Addicts Anonymous.
他建议匿名性成瘾者协会。
At my first meeting, we all told our stories.
在我的第一次会议上，我们都讲述了我们的故事。
There was a guy who'd spent thousands of dollars on prostitutes in a single long weekend.
有一个人在一个长周末就花了数千美元去嫖妓。
There was a woman who'd slept with a different guy almost every night for years.
有一个女人多年来几乎每晚都和不同的男人上床。
There was a huge tattooed biker who was so ashamed to be there that a friend led him in blindfolded.
有一个巨大的纹身骑自行车的人，他非常羞于在那里，以至于一个朋友把他蒙住了眼睛。
And then there was me, a 22-year-old virgin.
然后是我，一个22岁的处女。
When I told my story, there was an awkward silence.
当我讲述我的故事时，大家陷入了尴尬的沉默。
Even here, nobody understood my problem.
即使在这里，也没有人理解我的问题。
A few days later, I went to a Christian counselor, expecting he'd just tell me to pray harder, look for answers in the scripture.
几天后，我去找一位基督教辅导员，希望他会告诉我更加努力地祈祷，在圣经中寻找答案。
I explained my problem, and he looked at me and frowned.
我解释了我的问题，他看着我，皱起了眉头。
And then he asked if I ever did the act, the one that I found so horrible I only referred to it in code.
然后他问我是否做过这种行为，我觉得这种行为太可怕了，我只在代码中提到过它。
Trust me, he said.
相信我，他说。
Let yourself do it.
让你自己去做吧。
Give yourself permission, and see what happens.
给自己许可，看看会发生什么。
This was shocking, that a Christian would give me this kind of advice.
一个基督徒会给我这样的建议，这真是令人震惊。
That it's possible to obey too much, that you could lead yourself astray by following the Bible's rules.
服从太多是有可能的，遵循圣经的规则可能会让自己误入歧途。
That very day I took home my first Playboy magazine.
就在那天，我带回家了我的第一本《花花公子》杂志。
And that was that.
就是这样。
After five minutes, I was no longer desperate to glimpse random women bending over the freezer cases at the grocery store.
五分钟后，我不再急于看到杂货店里随意弯腰在冰柜上的女人。
It felt like a miracle.
这感觉就像一个奇迹。
It was so fast, so life changing, that it was like converting all over again.
它是如此之快，如此之快地改变了生活，就像再次转变一样。
Dave Dickerson.
戴夫·迪克森.
Commandment Eight: You Shall Not Steal Ira Glass Commandment number eight--
第八条戒律：不可偷窃艾拉·格拉斯戒律第八条——
This is your Sprite.
这是你的精灵。
Here's a Coke for you.
这是给你的可乐。
"You shall not steal." Hassan Are you ready to order or you need more time?
“你不许偷窃。”哈桑 您准备好订购了吗？还是需要更多时间？
What can I get for you?
我能为你得到什么？
I work as a waiter.
我是一名服务员。
I've been here since 1994.
我从 1994 年就一直在这里。
That's almost 13 years working in this place.
在这里工作已经快13年了。
Hassan works the afternoon shift at a neighborhood restaurant.
哈桑在附近的一家餐馆上下午班。
Well, people usually steal a lot of things.
嗯，人们通常会偷很多东西。
They steal different stuff.
他们偷不同的东西。
For example, they steal umbrellas from other customers.
例如，他们从其他顾客那里偷雨伞。
Really?
真的吗？
Hassan Oh, yeah.
哈桑哦，是的。
I saw him with my eyes.
我亲眼看见了他。
And the guy was a lawyer.
那个人是一名律师。
He stole-- he had a broken umbrella.
他偷了——他有一把坏掉的雨伞。
And in the umbrella box there was a good umbrella.
雨伞盒里还有一把好伞。
He took it away with him.
他把它带走了。
Do you think it might have been a mistake?
你认为这可能是一个错误吗？
I don't think so.
我不这么认为。
Lawyers, they don't make mistake.
律师，他们不会犯错。
There was two couples.
有两对夫妇。
One of the couples, the wife, she used to sit on the right side of the corner.
其中一对夫妇，她的妻子，她常常坐在角落的右侧。
She'd sit in this booth.
她会坐在这个摊位上。
Hassan Yeah, this one.
哈桑 是的，就是这个。
She used to take salt and pepper from the tables.
她常常从桌子上拿盐和胡椒。
No matter what we did, no matter what we said, no matter what we act, she never changed.
无论我们做什么，无论我们说什么，无论我们做什么，她都没有改变。
She always took it.
她总是拿着它。
I believe that she took at least two dozens during the two-years period.
我相信她这两年至少拿了两打。
They stole two dozen salt and pepper shakers.
他们偷了两打盐瓶和胡椒瓶。
Yeah, total during the two-years period.
是的，两年期间的总计。
Like, if one second I missed-- gone.
就像，如果我错过了一秒钟——就消失了。
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Regular customer.
常客。
And I believe she was doing it everywhere, wherever she goes.
我相信无论她走到哪里，她都在这样做。
Well, what I don't understand is what would she do with two dozen salt and pepper shakers?
好吧，我不明白的是她会用两打盐罐和胡椒罐做什么？
I don't know.
我不知道。
I don't know.
我不知道。
That I want to know, too.
我也想知道。
Do you think-- Hassan Maybe she has a store?
你认为——哈桑也许她有一家商店？
He says it doesn't happen often, the stealing.
他说偷窃这种事并不经常发生。
But there is a pattern he's noticed.
但他注意到了一个模式。
When a woman walked over to a display and took some food and then sat down and ate the food, and he tried to charge her, she argued with him.
当一名女子走到展示台前拿了一些食物，然后坐下来吃食物时，他试图向她收费，她与他发生了争执。
When a man tried to take a huge stack of napkins, like this huge stack, and Hassan caught him, he didn't even seem embarrassed.
当一个人试图拿走一大堆餐巾纸时，就像这一大堆，哈桑抓住了他，他甚至没有显得尴尬。
He got mad.
他生气了。
He got mad at me because I said, you're not allowed to take it.
他生我的气，因为我说，你不可以接受它。
Now, the people who steal, are they good tippers or bad?
现在，偷窃的人是好人还是坏人？
Like, the woman with the salt and pepper shaker, would they tip?
就像那个拿着盐罐和胡椒罐的女人，他们会给小费吗？
Ah, they were good tippers.
啊，他们很乐意给小费。
Ira Glass And the lawyer with the umbrella-- good tipper or bad?
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 还有打雨伞的律师——小费是好是坏？
Which brings us to the ninth commandment.
这就引出了第九条诫命。
This hour is going so fast.
这一个小时过得真快。
Ninth commandment, "Do not bear false witness." Don't lie.
第九条诫命：“不可作假见证”。不要说谎。
To understand this next story, you have to understand this idea of a mitzvah.
要理解下一个故事，您必须理解成人礼的概念。
For religious Jews, a mitzvah is a good deed.
对于虔诚的犹太人来说，成人礼是一件好事。
They're supposed to fill their days doing these good deeds.
他们应该通过做这些善事来打发时间。
But mitzvah is also the Hebrew word for commandment.
但“mitzvah”在希伯来语中也是“诫命”的意思。
And remember, religious Jews count the commandments in the Bible-- they don't just have the big 10.
请记住，虔诚的犹太人会计算《圣经》中的诫命——他们不仅仅只有十大诫命。
They count, specifically, 613 commandments they're supposed to follow.
他们具体统计了 613 条他们应该遵守的诫命。
Well, the woman in this next story wanted to do one of the biggest mitzvot ever.
好吧，下一个故事中的女人想做有史以来最大的戒律之一。
She was going to save somebody's life-- a stranger's life.
她要拯救一个人的生命——一个陌生人的生命。
But to do this, she was going to have to break another one of the commandments, the one about lying.
但要做到这一点，她就必须打破另一条戒律，即关于撒谎的戒律。
In this case, she was going to be lying to her own mother.
在这种情况下，她就是在欺骗自己的母亲。
Sarah Koenig tells more.
莎拉·柯尼格讲述了更多。
Chaya Lipschutz does all her mother's shopping.
查娅·利普舒茨 (Chaya Lipschutz) 负责她母亲的所有购物工作。
She prepares all her meals for her, does all her cooking, and they're extremely close.
她为她准备所有的饭菜，为她做饭，他们的关系非常亲密。
Best friends, Chaya says.
最好的朋友，查亚说。
And she means it.
她是认真的。
And they also live in this tiny space together, a two-room basement apartment in Borough Park in Brooklyn, where they share a tiny bedroom and sleep in two tiny beds-- really cots-- that are about a foot apart from each other.
他们还一起住在布鲁克林区公园的一个两居室地下室公寓里，他们共用一间小卧室，睡在两张小床上——实际上是小床——彼此相距一英尺左右。
In this kind of setup, it's unimaginable that you could keep anything from your mother.
在这种情况下，你很难想象你能对你母亲隐瞒任何事情。
But Chaya had this whopper of a secret.
但查亚有一个天大的秘密。
She wanted to donate a kidney to someone, to a stranger, after seeing an ad in a Jewish newspaper taken out by somebody who needed one.
在看到一份犹太报纸上有一个需要肾脏的人刊登的广告后，她想将肾脏捐献给某人，一个陌生人。
The ad was, like, screaming out to me.
这则广告就像是在向我尖叫。
It said, save a life, be m'chaim, which means to fulfill a once-in-a-lifetime mitzvah.
它说，save a life, be m'chaim，意思是完成一生一次的成人礼。
It would be an uber-mitzvah.
这将是一个超级成人礼。
And she was going to do it, unless her mother found out first.
她打算这样做，除非她母亲先发现。
Her mother has a kind of phobia about surgery.
她的母亲对手术有一种恐惧症。
And also, like any parent, she would worry about all the things that could go wrong.
而且，像任何父母一样，她会担心所有可能出错的事情。
So Chaya didn't tell her mother about her plan, which took many, many months to put together.
所以查亚没有告诉她妈妈她的计划，这个计划花了很多很多个月才完成。
And she got away with it until her mother found some ads about kidney donation that Chaya accidentally left on the kitchen table.
她侥幸逃脱了惩罚，直到她的母亲发现查亚不小心留在厨房桌子上的一些有关肾脏捐赠的广告。
She lectured Chaya about it.
她向查亚讲授了这件事。
It's not for you.
这不适合你。
I think she said to me, like, you can do any other mitzvah except this one.
我想她对我说，除了这个，你可以做任何其他的成人礼。
She just, like, did-- I didn't answer her.
她只是，就像——我没有回答她。
Well, but-- I mean, how old were you at this point?
好吧，但是——我的意思是，此时你多大了？
No, I mean, this was only-- yeah, I mean, right.
不，我的意思是，这只是——是的，我的意思是，对。
I'm an adult.
我是成年人了。
You know, I'm a grown up.
你知道，我已经长大了。
She can't forbid you to do anything, really.
她真的不能禁止你做任何事。
You know what?
你知道吗？
But you know what?
但你知道吗？
I didn't want to cause her any pain or any suffering.
我不想给她带来任何痛苦或痛苦。
Don't forget, she's an older lady.
别忘了，她已经是个上了年纪的女人了。
And you know, people sometimes are frightened, and have heart attacks, and die.
你知道，人们有时会受到惊吓，心脏病发作，然后死亡。
And I wanted to give a life.
我想给予生命。
I didn't want to take away a life at the same time.
我不想同时夺走一条生命。
But even if she didn't have a heart attack, it would give her so much suffering.
但就算她没有心脏病发作，也会给她带来如此多的痛苦。
And I didn't want to-- I never, ever liked to upset her.
我不想——我从来不喜欢让她心烦意乱。
Chaya tried to follow the commandment about not lying.
查亚试图遵守不说谎的诫命。
For her, lying is a sin, never mind lying to your own mother.
对她来说，说谎是一种罪过，更不用说对自己的母亲说谎了。
She could argue that not saying anything about the kidney transplant wasn't strictly lying, but as the surgery date got closer, Chaya couldn't cling to that technicality.
她可能会争辩说，不说任何关于肾移植的事情并不是严格意义上的撒谎，但随着手术日期的临近，查亚无法坚持这个技术细节。
She was getting a lot of phone calls.
她接到很多电话。
She had to go for medical tests all the time.
她必须一直去接受医疗检查。
When you would go out and get tests and do these things, where would you tell her you were going?
当你出去接受测试并做这些事情时，你会告诉她你要去哪里？
Well, I did-- I had to say other things.
嗯，我说了——我必须说点别的。
You're dragging it out of me.
你正在把它从我身上拖走。
OK.
好的。
OK.
好的。
You know what?
你知道吗？
I did have to give little white lies.
我确实不得不撒些善意的谎言。
And what were the white lies?
善意的谎言是什么？
Like, what kinds of things would you say?
比如，你会说什么？
I don't even want to go into details.
我什至不想谈细节。
I'm embarrassed.
我很尴尬。
It wasn't bad.
这还不错。
I mean, I don't tell her anything bad, you know, like-- you know.
我的意思是，我不会告诉她任何不好的事情，你知道，比如——你知道。
Chaya feels so guilty that she lied to her mother she can barely talk about it.
Chaya 感到非常内疚，因为她对母亲撒了谎，她几乎无法谈论这件事。
And the lies just became more overt as the day of the surgery arrived.
随着手术当天的到来，谎言变得更加公开。
I had to spend the night before near the hospital.
前一天晚上我不得不在医院附近过夜。
What did you tell her?
你告诉她什么了？
Chaya Lipschutz Oh, gosh.
查亚·利普舒茨 哦，天哪。
I told her I was going to go to a friend's house.
我告诉她我要去朋友家。
It was a house.
那是一栋房子。
And my friend was there-- the person I was donating a kidney to, she was like a friend already.
我的朋友在那里——我要捐献肾脏的那个人，她已经像我的朋友了。
So-- oh, gosh.
所以——哦，天哪。
I had this huge bag, you know, to bring with me to the hospital.
你知道，我带着这个大包去医院。
Because I didn't want her to see how much I was taking, when my mother went to the bathroom that night before I left the house, I took my stuff, I think, out to the side of the house.
因为我不想让她看到我拿了多少钱，所以那天晚上我离开家之前，当我母亲去洗手间时，我想，我把我的东西带到了房子的一侧。
And left it there?
然后把它留在那里？
Chaya Lipschutz And left it there.
Chaya Lipschutz 把它留在那里。
And then I went back in the house.
然后我就回到了屋子里。
So this way, you know, I just-- I didn't leave with that much, maybe a shopping bag, to go-- oh, gosh.
所以这样，你知道，我只是——我没有带那么多东西，也许是一个购物袋，去——哦，天哪。
But you know what?
但你知道吗？
So that was hard for me, because I don't like to lie.
所以这对我来说很难，因为我不喜欢撒谎。
But that-- it was all to do a good thing.
但这——这一切都是为了做好事。
It wasn't anything selfish.
这不是什么自私的事情。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
It was all-- you know, sometimes you're-- listen, I don't want people to think you're allowed to do white lies, but sometimes you have to.
这就是——你知道，有时你——听着，我不想让人们认为你可以说善意的谎言，但有时你必须这样做。
Sometimes you have to.
有时你必须这样做。
You have no choice.
你别无选择。
I'm doing this to save another person's life, so I'm sure, as a result of what I did, God's going to forgive me for all those white lies.
我这样做是为了拯救另一个人的生命，所以我确信，由于我所做的事情，上帝会原谅我所有这些善意的谎言。
It's one thing to plan to donate your kidney and not tell your mother.
计划捐献肾脏而不告诉你的母亲是一回事。
It's another thing to actually have your organ removed and not tell your mother.
实际上切除你的器官而不告诉你的母亲是另一回事。
So Chaya had to figure out some way to break it to her once it was a done deal.
所以查亚必须想办法在事情敲定后向她打破这个局面。
And her scheme for doing this is so complicated, it makes all the earlier lies look really junior varsity.
她的计划非常复杂，这使得之前所有的谎言看起来都像是初中大学的谎言。
What happened is that, by chance, the same week of her surgery, somebody told Chaya about this 23-year-old Hasidic woman who had also donated a kidney to a stranger.
偶然发生的事情是，就在她接受手术的同一周，有人告诉 Chaya，这位 23 岁的哈西德派妇女还向一位陌生人捐献了一个肾脏。
And I met this very lovely young woman, Feigi.
我遇到了一位非常可爱的年轻女子，菲吉。
I said to her, would you be willing to tell my mother-- to come over to my mother's house after the surgery and tell her that she donated a kidney and then tell her, by the way, I donated a kidney, and I'm in the hospital right now?
我对她说，你愿意告诉我妈妈吗？手术后到我妈妈家去告诉她，她捐了一个肾，然后告诉她，对了，我捐了一个肾，我现在在医院？
Like, let her be the one to tell her because my mother will see that she's healthy, she looks healthy, and she's young, and she doesn't look like she had major surgery a few months earlier.
就像，让她自己告诉她，因为我妈妈会看到她很健康，她看起来很健康，而且她很年轻，而且她看起来不像几个月前做过大手术。
And so I told her, call my mother and tell her this way that you have tzedakah-- charity-- to give to one of my mother's charities.
所以我告诉她，给我母亲打电话，告诉她你有 tzedakah（慈善机构）可以捐给我母亲的一个慈善机构。
And that was a good way to get into the house.
这是进入房子的好方法。
And I arranged it that my kidney recipient's family is going to call her after the surgery.
我安排我的肾脏接受者的家人在手术后给她打电话。
So she called my mother.
于是她给我妈妈打了电话。
And my mother was almost out the door.
我妈妈几乎就出了门。
And she says, no, please.
她说，不，拜托。
Please wait.
请稍等。
I have tzedakah to give-- the charity to give to one of your charities.
我要捐献 tzedakah——向你们的慈善机构之一捐献的善款。
And of course, my mother waited.
当然，我妈妈也在等待。
And so she sat down with her, and she said she donated a kidney.
于是她和她坐下来，她说她捐出了一个肾脏。
And my mother looked at her up and down and says, she's normal and healthy and she just did something like that three months earlier.
我妈妈上下打量了她一眼，说，她很正常，很健康，三个月前她就做了那样的事。
And she came with a cute little baby.
她还带着一个可爱的小宝宝来了。
And then she said to her, by the way, your daughter's right now in the hospital, and she did the same thing.
然后她对她说，顺便说一句，你女儿现在在医院，她也做了同样的事情。
To everyone's relief, Chaya's mother did not have a heart attack.
让大家松了口气的是，Chaya 的母亲没有心脏病发作。
My mother smiled, and she said, it's mena shamayim.
我妈妈笑了，她说，这是 mena shamayim。
It's from heaven.
这是从天上来的。
It's heaven.
这是天堂。
You know, it's a heavenly thing that was meant to be.
你知道，这是命中注定的天堂之事。
And she took it very, very well, just like I thought.
她接受得非常非常好，就像我想的那样。
It was like it was just exactly according to my script, the way everything worked out.
就好像这完全按照我的剧本进行，一切都按部就班地进行。
And she was happy.
她很高兴。
She was happy.
她很高兴。
And you know I was so happy it was all over, and that she took it well.
你知道我很高兴一切都结束了，而且她接受得很好。
And she was proud of me.
她为我感到骄傲。
And it was such a relief.
这真是一种解脱。
It sounds like dealing with your mother was so much harder than actually donating a kidney.
听起来和你母亲打交道比捐肾要困难得多。
Exactly!
确切地！
Donating a kidney was easy for me.
捐献肾脏对我来说很容易。
The hardest part was not telling my mother.
最困难的部分是不告诉我妈妈。
Chaya's mother never said anything to her about the white lies.
查亚的母亲从未对她说过任何关于善意谎言的事情。
And Chaya's still not sure she even knows about them.
查亚仍然不确定她是否了解它们。
And she never chastised Chaya for keeping the surgery from her.
她也从未因查亚不让她接受手术而责备她。
She's just proud of Chaya, which is what Chaya wanted all along.
她只是为 Chaya 感到骄傲，这也是 Chaya 一直想要的。
Last month, Chaya's brother, inspired by her, donated his kidney to a stranger.
上个月，Chaya 的哥哥在她的启发下，将自己的肾脏捐献给了一位陌生人。
He said his mother had no problem with it at all.
他说他的母亲对此没有任何问题。
Sarah Koenig.
莎拉·科尼格.
She's the host of "Serial." In the year since we first broadcast this story, Chaya's mom has died.
她是《连续剧》的主持人。自从我们第一次播出这个故事的那一年，Chaya 的妈妈就去世了。
She continued to be proud of Chaya's decision and said she'd have probably donated a kidney herself if she were younger.
她仍然为 Chaya 的决定感到自豪，并表示如果她年轻的话，她可能会自己捐献肾脏。
And so we arrive at the end of our list, the end of God's to-do list for humanity, commandment number 10.
这样，我们就到了我们的清单的末尾，也就是上帝为人类制定的任务清单的末尾，即第十条诫命。
Like iPods, everybody wants iPods.
就像 iPod 一样，每个人都想要 iPod。
IPods, iPods-- it's really important.
iPod、iPod——这真的很重要。
"That shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.
“那不会觊觎你邻居的房子。
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass.
不可贪恋邻舍的妻子、仆婢、牛驴。
You want phones.
你想要电话。
You want iPods.
你想要 iPod。
You want shoes.
你想要鞋子。
You want clothes.
你想要衣服。
And it's a lot of things that's really important.
很多事情都非常重要。
You shouldn't covet anything that is thy neighbor's.
你不应该贪图你邻居的任何东西。
So it's kind of hard for a lot of people to fit in because they want that same stuff.
所以对于很多人来说很难融入，因为他们想要同样的东西。
Amy and her friends, Selena and Kayla, are in seventh grade.
艾米和她的朋友赛琳娜和凯拉正在上七年级。
During their lunch break, they explained that the latest thing that they all covet is a Sidekick 3.
午休期间，他们解释说，他们最近最想要的东西是 Sidekick 3。
Which, if you haven't seen it is a kind of souped-up cell phone.
如果您还没有见过的话，它是一种增强型手机。
They want Sidekick 3s so bad that they cannot help but notice every single person who has one.
他们非常想要 Sidekick 3，以至于情不自禁地注意到每一个拥有 Sidekick 3 的人。
Well, she's not in my class, but her name is Arlene.
嗯，她不在我班，但她的名字叫阿琳。
My friend, Amanda, has a Sidekick.
我的朋友阿曼达有一个助手。
My cousin has a Sidekick.
我的表弟有一个助手。
Arlene has a Sidekick.
阿琳有一个助手。
Christine has a Sidekick.
克里斯汀有一个助手。
Girl 2 Yeah, Christine has a Sidekick.
女孩 2 是的，克里斯汀有一个伙伴。
Who else got a Sidekick?
还有谁有Sidekick？
This girl on the train got a Sidekick.
火车上的这个女孩有一个伙伴。
I saw her Sidekick.
我看到了她的助手。
Yeah.
是的。
Like, almost all my family got a Sidekick.
就像，几乎我所有的家人都有一个伙伴。
I want a Sidekick.
我想要一个助手。
I don't have a Sidekick.
我没有助手。
I lost my phone, actually.
事实上，我丢了手机。
But I want a Sidekick.
但我想要一个助手。
But I don't got it yet.
但我还没明白。
See-- yeah, she has one.
看——是的，她有一个。
Yeah, she has one.
是的，她有一个。
This girl, Christine, pulls out her Sidekick and shows it around.
这个叫克里斯汀的女孩拿出她的伙伴并四处展示。
The photo on the Sidekick's little display is herself, which definitely is one of those things that is normal when a kid does it but would be so weird if an adult tried it.
Sidekick 的小显示屏上的照片是她自己，这绝对是孩子这样做时很正常的事情之一，但如果成年人尝试的话就会很奇怪。
She hasn't had the Sidekick for very long.
她已经很久没有和Sidekick在一起了。
I don't really remember.
我不太记得了。
I think it was in the beginning of April.
我想那是在四月初。
Yeah.
是的。
It's cool, actually, because I get to go on the internet, and I get to go on AOL.
事实上，这很酷，因为我可以上网，也可以使用 AOL。
Text message.
短信。
Christine Text message.
克里斯汀短信。
All that.
所有这些。
It's really good.
真的很好。
It's like an extra computer, a little computer, for myself to carry around.
它就像一台额外的电脑，一台小电脑，供我自己随身携带。
A portable everything.
随身携带的一切。
A portable everything, basically.
基本上，一切都可以随身携带。
Yeah, actually I did.
是的，实际上我做到了。
Ira Glass Now, were there people who didn't talk to you before the Sidekick, who when you got the Sidekick--
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：现在，有没有人在你有了伙伴之前没有和你说话，当你有了伙伴之后——
Yeah.
是的。
There was a lot of people that didn't talk to me.
有很多人不跟我说话。
And now that I have my Sidekick, they, like, every day want to use
现在我有了我的 Sidekick，他们每天都想使用
So they just want to use the Sidekick?
所以他们只是想使用 Sidekick？
They don't want to actually--
他们实际上并不想——
Yeah, they just want the Sidekick.
是的，他们只是想要助手。
They don't want me.
他们不想要我。
It's the Sidekick.
这是副官。
These girls actually had a very grown-up attitude about all this stuff they covet.
这些女孩实际上对她们所渴望的所有这些东西都抱有非常成熟的态度。
This stuff matters to them, but it doesn't totally matter.
这些东西对他们来说很重要，但并不完全重要。
Kayla was wearing Nikes or Cons, and nobody cared.
凯拉穿着耐克或康斯鞋，但没人在意。
Selena and Amy recently got iPods, and they're the first to admit it didn't change how anybody saw them.
Selena 和 Amy 最近购买了 iPod，他们是第一个承认这并没有改变人们对它们的看法的人。
I remind them that it's in the Bible that we're not supposed to want stuff or be jealous of people who have stuff we don't have.
我提醒他们，圣经里说我们不应该想要东西，也不应该嫉妒那些拥有我们没有的东西的人。
Do you think it's realistic that people aren't going to want stuff?
你认为人们不再想要东西是现实的吗？
No, because everybody want stuff at some point.
不，因为每个人在某个时候都想要东西。
I think it's just natural.
我认为这很自然。
Like, everybody is going to want something in life.
就像，每个人都会在生活中想要一些东西。
You know, you're not going to go through life not wanting anything.
你知道，你不会一无所有地度过一生。
You're not going to just go through life, OK, I have this, and I have that.
你不会只是度过一生，好吧，我有这个，我有那个。
I don't need anything else.
我不需要任何其他东西。
Or I don't want this.
或者我不想要这个。
I think it's just natural for people to want things.
我认为人们想要东西是很自然的。
But then you're saying, in a way, it's natural that we're always going to be breaking one of the Ten Commandments.
但你是说，在某种程度上，我们总是会违反十诫之一，这是很自然的。
Basically, yeah.
基本上，是的。
Ira Glass If we needed any proof of this, that we're always going to want stuff and sometimes we're going to want stuff that we probably shouldn't, it was just a few feet away.
Ira Glass 如果我们需要任何证据证明我们总是想要一些东西，有时我们想要一些我们可能不想要的东西，那么它就在几英尺之外。
A girl named Nadie had written on her arm, down the length of arm, "Nadie N David." That's N-- the letter N-- with a heart underneath it.
一个名叫纳迪的女孩在她的手臂上写下了“纳迪·N·大卫”。那是 N——字母 N——下面有一颗心。
That's my boyfriend.
那是我男朋友。
Ira Glass And is he in your grade?
Ira Glass 他是你的年级吗？
Nah, he's older than me.
不，他比我大。
He's two years older than me.
他比我大两岁。
Talk about him.
谈论他。
Ira Glass That's her girlfriend, egging her on.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：那是她的女朋友，正在怂恿她。
He's nice.
他很好。
You know, I broke up with him once.
你知道吗，我和他分手过一次。
Well, we're going back out.
嗯，我们要出去了。
And he broke her heart.
他伤了她的心。
But I don't think she should be going out with him, because she's messed up.
但我认为她不应该和他出去，因为她一团糟。
I'm mad at her.
我对她很生气。
Because people were saying that he talked [BLEEP] about me.
因为人们说他[BLEEP]谈论了我。
Yeah, it's true.
是的，这是真的。
It's true.
这是真的。
Nadie But I love him, so--
纳迪但我爱他，所以——
You don't know what love is, Nadie.
你不知道什么是爱，纳迪。
That's not till you get to 16.
直到你到了16岁。
Look, that's David over there.
看，那是大卫。
That's David over there.
那是大卫。
Look.
瞧。
He's with another girl.
他和另一个女孩在一起了
Oh!
哦！
With the one in black.
与黑色的那一件。
He's walking arm in arm with another girl.
他正和另一个女孩挽着手散步。
Right there.
就在那里。
That's it, right there.
就是这样，就在那里。
See, that's what make us be mad.
瞧，这就是让我们生气的原因。
Oh, my god, Nadie.
哦，天哪，纳迪。
You see him right there, you don't say nothing.
你看到他就在那里，你什么也没说。
That's messed up right there.
那里一团糟。
Yo, that's messed up.
哟，真是一团糟。
Catechism of the Catholic church says, the Tenth Commandment concerns the intentions of the heart.
天主教教义问答说，第十诫涉及内心的意图。
The catechism talks about desires that are often good, wholesome desires but go on to exceed the limits of reason and make us want things too much, especially things that really belong to somebody else.
教义问答中谈到的欲望通常是美好的、健康的欲望，但它们会超出理性的限度，使我们想要太多的东西，尤其是真正属于别人的东西。
Wanting things too much, it says, is a form of sadness.
它说，想要太多东西是悲伤的一种形式。
And the Tenth Commandment, that's what it's trying to eradicate.
第十诫，这就是它想要根除的。
Our program was produced today by Jane Marie and myself with Alex Blumberg, Sarah Koenig, Lisa Pollak, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由 Jane Marie 和我本人以及 Alex Blumberg、Sarah Koenig、Lisa Pollak、Alissa Shipp 和 Nancy Updike 制作。
Senior producer for today's show, Julie Snyder.
今天节目的高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help from Seth Lind, Tommy Andres, and Emily Youssef.
Seth Lind、Tommy Andres 和 Emily Youssef 为制作提供帮助。
Additional production by Aviva DeKornfeld, Ray Mondo, Stone Nelson, and Matt Tierney.
由 Aviva DeKornfeld、Ray Mondo、Stone Nelson 和 Matt Tierney 担任额外制作。
Music help today from Jessica Hopper.
今天杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
Mary Robertson produced our story about the Ninth Commandment.
玛丽·罗伯逊制作了我们关于第九条诫命的故事。
Thanks today to Liebman's Deli in the Bronx, where we taped the story for the Eighth Commandment about stealing.
今天感谢布朗克斯区的利伯曼熟食店，我们在那里录制了第八诫有关偷窃的故事。
Thanks to Middle School 51 in Brooklyn, where we taped our Tenth Commandment story, especially to one of the seventh grade teachers who worked there back when we did this show, Andrew Raven.
感谢布鲁克林 51 中学，我们在那里录制了第十诫的故事，特别感谢我们制作这部剧时在那里工作的一位七年级老师，安德鲁·雷文 (Andrew Raven)。
"This American Life" is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生。
You know, he says that when he goes home, he sees the mailings from our own public radio station that arrive at his house pile up in his front hallway, asking for money, and he cannot help himself.
你知道，他说当他回家时，他看到我们自己的公共广播电台到达他家的邮件堆积在他的前走廊上，要求钱，他无法控制自己。
He just has to pledge.
他只需要发誓。
If you're a guy with a similar struggle, ask your wife or mother to help you in this area by ridding your home of these unnecessary temptations.
如果你也有类似的困扰，请让你的妻子或母亲在这方面帮助你，让你的家摆脱这些不必要的诱惑。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of "This American Life."
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多“美国生活”的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。