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Prologue Ira Glass Bob Harris has won two cars and a lot of money playing Jeopardy on television.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 鲍勃·哈里斯 (Bob Harris) 在电视上玩 Jeopardy 游戏时赢得了两辆车和很多钱。
But he insists he's not that smart.
但他坚称自己没那么聪明。
What he is, he says, is somebody who decided when he was going to be on Jeopardy to take measures.
他说，他是一个决定何时陷入危险并采取措施的人。
I told my girlfriend at the time, hi.
我当时就跟我女朋友说，嗨。
I'm rearranging the furniture now.
我现在正在重新布置家具。
And I need to make my house look like the Jeopardy studio.
我需要让我的房子看起来像 Jeopardy 工作室。
I set up low bookcases to be sort of like where the podiums were, about the same height.
我设置了一些低矮的书柜，就像讲台所在的地方一样，高度差不多。
And I would stand there.
我会站在那里。
I had a little homemade buzzer that I made out of a ballpoint pen and some masking tape.
我有一个自制的小蜂鸣器，是用圆珠笔和一些胶带制成的。
He got bright halogen lights.
他得到了明亮的卤素灯。
And he pumped up the air conditioning to make it feel like the inside of a TV studio.
他把空调开到最大，让房间感觉就像在电视演播室里一样。
He placed a big picture of Jeopardy's host, Alex Trebek, in about the spot where the real Alex Trebek stands.
他在真正的亚历克斯·特雷贝克站立的地方放置了一张《危险边缘》主持人亚历克斯·特雷贝克的大照片。
I even tried to time my meals to when I would be eating at Jeopardy, so that my whole body clock would be exactly in harmony.
我什至尝试将我的用餐时间安排在我在危险边缘吃饭的时间，这样我的整个生物钟就会完全协调。
So he played along with videotapes of the TV show.
于是他就跟着电视节目的录像带一起演奏。
And he studied for months, memorizing all kinds of stuff, the guys who ran the United Nations in order, the presidents in order, rivers, the elements, British kings, the novels of E.
他学习了几个月，记住了各种各样的东西，那些按顺序管理联合国的人、按顺序的总统、河流、自然元素、英国国王、E·肯尼迪的小说。
M.
M。
Forster-- which include, by the way, Room With a View, Where Angels Fear to Tread, Howards End.
福斯特——顺便说一下，其中包括《看得见风景的房间》、《天使不敢涉足的地方》、《霍华德庄园》。
The way to remember a lot of stuff is to build really big, goofy images.
记住很多东西的方法是构建非常大的、愚蠢的图像。
It takes an extra couple of seconds, maybe even a minute or two of thought, but then it stays better.
这需要额外几秒钟，甚至一两分钟的思考，但之后效果会更好。
So it's time well invested.
所以现在是充分投入时间的时候了。
I made this big picture in my head of a room with a view.
我在脑海中画了一张有风景的房间的大图。
OK, so you've got this nice, really big, like-- a friend of mine in Ohio grew up in this big mansion, so it's actually his living room in my head.
好吧，所以你有一个很好的，非常大的，就像 - 我在俄亥俄州的一个朋友在这座大宅邸长大，所以这实际上是我脑海中他的客厅。
So OK, it's a room with a beautiful view.
好吧，这是一个风景优美的房间。
And Howards End was the next one on the list that I just happened to have in front of me.
霍华德庄园是我面前的名单上的下一个。
And so Howards End , and you've got A Room With a View .
霍华德庄园，还有看得见风景的房间。
I mean, how can you not have, like, Howard-- I have a friend named Howard.
我的意思是，你怎么能没有霍华德——我有一个朋友叫霍华德。
And so I made a 30-foot buttocks and stuck it in the window.
所以我做了一个30英尺的臀部并将它贴在窗户上。
So you have a room with a view of Howard's end where angels fear to tread.
所以你有一个房间可以看到霍华德的结局，那里是天使不敢涉足的地方。
So the angels are in this room, and there's this giant 30-foot buttocks in the window.
所以天使就在这个房间里，窗户里有这个 30 英尺高的巨大臀部。
That's why the angels fear to tread there.
这就是天使不敢踏足那里的原因。
All I can say is, you do not want to know how he got Passage to India in there.
我只能说，你不会想知道他是如何在那里获得《印度之行》的。
Bob says that a third of the answers that he gave on television-- a third-- came from cramming information into his head with these weird pictures that he would create for himself.
鲍勃说，他在电视上给出的答案中有三分之一——三分之一——来自于用他为自己创作的这些奇怪的图片将信息塞进他的头脑。
And one of his biggest wins came when-- thanks to brute memorization-- he knew the name of an old book called The Compleat Angler, which to this day he has never read, has only the vaguest idea what it's about.
他最大的胜利之一是——多亏了死记硬背——他知道了一本叫做《完美钓鱼者》的老书的名字，但直到今天他还从未读过这本书，对它的内容也只有最模糊的概念。
And one of his biggest losses came when he could not remember the poem, "Jabberwocky."
当他不记得“Jabberwocky”这首诗时，他遭受了最大的损失。
And I was particularly frustrated because this was my father's favorite poem.
我特别沮丧，因为这是我父亲最喜欢的诗。
And he recited it to me pretty constantly.
他经常给我背诵这句话。
And yet, when they asked me about it under pressure, I just completely choked.
然而，当他们在压力下问我这件事时，我完全哽咽了。
And so Brillig became my nickname, for some people.
因此，对于某些人来说，布里利格成了我的昵称。
I wonder if the reason why you didn't remember it was because it wasn't part of your Jeopardy knowledge, but because it was part of your real knowledge.
我想知道你不记得的原因是否是因为它不是你的危险知识的一部分，而是因为它是你真正知识的一部分。
I think that's exactly right.
我认为这是完全正确的。
I think there are a lot of times in the game-- most of the big mistakes I ever made were like that, where it wasn't in my Jeopardy notebooks, my study materials, the almanacs.
我想在游戏中有很多时候——我所犯的大多数重大错误都是这样的，但它并没有出现在我的危险笔记本、我的学习材料和年鉴中。
It's funny.
很有趣。
It's sort of like it was in the wrong section of your brain.
有点像它位于你大脑的错误区域。
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
It was in my real brain, the one I walk around with that doesn't have much in it.
它存在于我真正的大脑中，我带着它走来走去的大脑里并没有太多东西。
Talking to Bob about all this, you realize that a show like Jeopardy, a quiz show, any quiz show on the surface seems like it's about facts, retrieving facts to win prizes.
和鲍勃谈论这一切，你意识到像《危险边缘》这样的节目，智力问答节目，任何智力问答节目表面上看起来都是关于事实的，检索事实来赢得奖品。
But what's really going on for the players is totally different than just retrieving facts.
但对于玩家来说，真正发生的事情与仅仅检索事实完全不同。
There's a whole inner world happening, an inner world that is not on TV at all, an inner world that actually may be a lot more interesting than what's in the program that's on TV.
有一个完整的内心世界正在发生，一个根本不在电视上的内心世界，一个实际上可能比电视节目中的内容有趣得多的内心世界。
Well today, we dive in to look at that inner world, at the secret life of quiz shows.
今天，我们就来深入了解一下他的内心世界，看看智力问答节目的秘密生活。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life , distributed by Public Radio International.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Our program today in three rounds.
我们今天的节目分三轮。
Round One, Gamester of Ireland is Fine.
第一轮，《爱尔兰游戏玩家》表现不错。
The round is about somebody who goes on to Who Wants to Be a Millionaire , and the most amazing thing he comes up with is not any fact, not any answer, it is the sheer courage to appear at all.
这一轮是关于一个人继续《谁想成为百万富翁》的故事，他想到的最令人惊奇的事情不是任何事实，也不是任何答案，而是出现的纯粹勇气。
Round Two, Dire Enigmas for Elite Fans, where we visit with some of the best quiz masters anywhere on an all-weekend, all-day, all-night quiz bender.
第二轮，为精英粉丝准备的可怕谜题，我们将在整个周末、全天、通宵的测验狂欢中拜访世界各地的一些最好的测验大师。
Round Three, Girls in Need of a Safer Time.
第三轮，需要更安全时间的女孩。
By the way, if you are noticing anything special about these round names, five points for you as you play along at home.
顺便说一句，如果您注意到这些回合名称有什么特别之处，当您在主场比赛时，您可以得到五分。
Anyway, round three is an attempt to use quiz shows-- yes, quiz shows-- to change teenage girls.
不管怎样，第三轮是尝试利用智力问答节目——是的，智力问答节目——来改变十几岁的女孩。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Gamester of Ireland is Fine.
第一幕《爱尔兰游戏玩家》很好。
When Ronan Kelly went to talk to the guy in this next story, all he knew about him was that he had won a lot of money on a quiz show on RTE, which is the main television station in Ireland.
当罗南·凯利去和下一个故事中的那个人交谈时，他只知道他在爱尔兰主要电视台 RTE 的智力问答节目中赢得了很多钱。
And Ronan just figured that anybody who had won that kind of money must have some kind of story to tell.
罗南认为，任何赢得这笔钱的人都必须有一些故事可讲。
And anyway, the guy lived nearby.
无论如何，那家伙住在附近。
So Ronan got onto his bike with his recording gear, and he bicycled over to the guy's house.
于是罗南带着录音设备骑上自行车，骑车去了那家伙的家。
When he got there, he figured that the first thing they would do is watch the video of the guy on the quiz show.
当他到达那里时，他认为他们要做的第一件事就是观看智力竞赛节目中那个人的视频。
But although this man had won hundreds of thousands of pounds, he actually did not have the technology to do that.
不过，这个人虽然赢得了数十万英镑，但实际上却没有技术做到这一点。
What you're about to hear is the story that Ronan put together for Irish radio about this guy.
您将要听到的是罗南为爱尔兰广播电台整理的关于这个人的故事。
The guy is named Roger Dowds.
这个人名叫罗杰·多兹。
When I got to Roger's house to watch the tape of his appearance, he didn't have a VCR.
当我到罗杰家看他出场的录像带时，他没有录像机。
We had to go back to the radio station to watch it.
我们不得不回到广播电台观看。
Roger Dowds from Dublin.
来自都柏林的罗杰·多兹。
Ronan Kelly January 2001.
罗南·凯利 2001 年 1 月。
Were you told to wave?
有人告诉你要挥手吗？
Roger Dowds Oh, yes.
罗杰·多兹 哦，是的。
They made a big issue about waving and smiling and looking as happy as possible.
他们对挥手、微笑以及尽可能看起来快乐提出了一个大问题。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] from Dublin.
[无法辨认]来自都柏林。
[GAME SHOW MUSIC]
[游戏节目音乐]
And it's Fastest Finger first.
首先是最快的手指。
Stand by your keypads, please.
请站在键盘旁边。
He was a contestant on the quiz show, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire .
他是智力问答节目“谁想成为百万富翁”的参赛者。
I should have put the word "unlikely" in there.
我应该在里面加上“不太可能”这个词。
Roger was an unlikely contestant, and you'll find out why as the program unfolds.
罗杰不太可能成为参赛者，随着节目的展开，您会发现原因。
Silence in the studio, please.
请在演播室保持安静。
This is your question.
这是你的问题。
Starting with the largest, arrange these Mediterranean islands in order of size, starting with the largest.
从最大的岛屿开始，按大小顺序排列这些地中海岛屿，从最大的岛屿开始。
[GAME SHOW MUSIC] Crete, Cyprus, Sicily, Malta.
[游戏秀音乐] 克里特岛、塞浦路斯、西西里岛、马耳他。
Well, there was a phone number you could ring on RTE, obviously.
嗯，显然有一个可以在 RTE 上拨打的电话号码。
And I rang many times, anyway, with no luck.
不管怎样，我打了很多次电话，但都没有成功。
And eventually, I got a call from someone to say I'd been short-listed.
最终，我接到某人的电话，说我已入围。
It was a couple of days before the show.
那是演出前几天。
You know, they said, oh, you're allowed to have five Phone-a-Friends.
你知道，他们说，哦，你可以有五个“给朋友打电话”。
I don't have many close friends, so I got two of my brothers.
我没有很多亲密的朋友，所以我有两个兄弟。
I got someone I play table tennis with.
我有人和我一起打乒乓球。
I got the husband of someone I play badminton with, a friend of my brother's, I think.
我有一个和我一起打羽毛球的人的丈夫，我想是我哥哥的一个朋友。
They were the five.
他们就是那五个人。
And who got there quickest?
谁最快到达那里？
Two right answers.
两个正确答案。
But Roger Dowds beat it at 4.9 seconds.
但罗杰·多兹以 4.9 秒的成绩击败了它。
4.9 seconds.
4.9秒。
Well done, Roger.
干得好，罗杰。
There you go.
就这样吧。
You know, I wasn't one of these so-called professional quiz people.
你知道，我不是那些所谓的专业测验者之一。
I'm not an outgoing enough person to be like that, really.
我不是一个足够外向的人，真的不会这样。
People were astounded that I would think of going on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire .
人们很惊讶我会想到继续出演《谁想成为百万富翁》。
Now ladies and gentlemen, our next contestant is Roger Dowds.
女士们先生们，我们的下一位参赛者是罗杰·多兹 (Roger Dowds)。
He works as a maintenance assistant in a nursing home.
他在一家疗养院担任维护助理。
And he lives in Glasnevin in Dublin.
他住在都柏林的格拉斯内文。
And he specifically wants me to mention that his mother, Nora, is deceased, but would be very proud, indeed, to see him on this show.
他特别想让我提一下，他的母亲诺拉（Nora）已经去世，但确实会非常自豪地在这个节目中看到他。
Why did you say that?
你为什么这么说？
Roger Dowds Well, I still was getting over my mother's death somewhat at the time.
罗杰·多兹（Roger Dowds）：嗯，当时我还没有从母亲去世的阴影中走出来。
She was about three years' dead at the time.
当时她已经去世大约三年了。
And she had been such a part of my life.
她已经成为我生活的一部分。
She probably was quite concerned about my future when she died.
她死后可能非常担心我的未来。
And if he won GBP 1 million, he says, he'd help the residents of the nursing home where he works to buy a place and run it however they please.
他说，如果他赢得 100 万英镑，他会帮助他工作的疗养院的居民购买一个地方并按照他们的意愿经营它。
And then he would love to have enough money--
然后他很想有足够的钱——
You know, because you don't really believe you're going to be on, and you go through a lot of questions, what you might say in a circumstance, and I kind of said something very frivolous, expecting not to ever be saying anything.
你知道，因为你并不真的相信你会参加，你会经历很多问题，在某种情况下你可能会说什么，而我说了一些非常无聊的话，希望永远不会说什么。
All right, good luck to you.
好吧，祝你好运。
Let's play Who Wants to Be a Millionaire .
让我们玩谁想成为百万富翁。
And for GBP 100, answer this one, Roger.
对于 100 英镑，请回答这个问题，罗杰。
In the 1968 cartoon, what was the color of the Beatles' submarine?
在 1968 年的动画片中，披头士乐队的潜艇是什么颜色的？
Was it blue, yellow, green, or red?
它是蓝色、黄色、绿色还是红色？
Yellow.
黄色的。
OK.
好的。
Gay Byrne For GBP 100, yellow is right.
Gay Byrne 对于 100 英镑，黄色是正确的。
You've got GBP 100, Roger.
你有 100 英镑，罗杰。
Financially, how were things at the time?
当时的经济状况如何？
Was that an interest for you?
你对此感兴趣吗？
Yes, it was a factor.
是的，这是一个因素。
I never had full-time employment ever in my life.
我一生中从未有过全职工作。
I was at the time working in this home.
当时我正在这个家里工作。
But I was only working part-time.
但我只是兼职。
And I might have done the odd little odd job, but I was on an extremely low income.
我可能做了一些奇怪的小工作，但我的收入极低。
So I suppose the money aspect could be significant to me and my position.
所以我认为金钱方面对我和我的职位可能很重要。
Did you practice first?
你先练习了吗？
Roger Dowds No, there wasn't time to practice.
Roger Dowds 不，没有时间练习。
I didn't practice at all.
我根本就没有练习过。
I remember going in the day, and there were all the other contestants.
我记得那天去的时候，还有所有其他参赛者。
And some of them were poring over quiz books.
他们中的一些人正在仔细研究测验书籍。
I just was trying to cope with being there.
我只是想应付在那里的情况。
They made a tremendous day out of it.
他们度过了美好的一天。
You were kind of treated like royalty.
你受到了皇室般的待遇。
We were chauffeur-driven in.
我们是由司机开车进去的。
I think we got a very special lunch that no one else in RTE was getting.
我想我们吃了一顿非常特别的午餐，RTE 里的其他人都没有吃过。
And I remember thinking, oh, something different is happening today, because I saw some of the people that I recognize who were actors in Fair City.
我记得我当时想，哦，今天发生了一些不同的事情，因为我看到了一些我认识的人，他们是《公平城》的演员。
And, I don't know, one or two-- someone who's in Sport in RTE, in addition to all these people.
而且，我不知道，除了所有这些人之外，还有一两个在 RTE 从事体育工作的人。
And I don't know whether I'm starstruck or not.
我也不知道我是否追星。
No doubt about that one.
对此毫无疑问。
You have GBP 1,000.
您有 1,000 英镑。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] is the right answer.
[无法理解] 是正确答案。
Now, you can never sit in the chair where Roger is sitting if you don't take those telephone numbers.
现在，如果你不记下这些电话号码，你就永远不能坐在罗杰坐的椅子上。
They're 1550-717171 [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
他们是 1550-717171 [无法理解]。
I'll remember that phone number for the rest of my life.
我会终生记住这个电话号码。
Do you want to tell the audience what happened to you in Morocco, Roger?
罗杰，你想告诉观众你在摩洛哥发生了什么吗？
Well, I-- Roger Dowds Well, no I don't.
好吧，我——罗杰·多兹（Roger Dowds） 好吧，不，我不知道。
You're going to make me, anyway.
无论如何，你都会逼迫我。
I was there last month, in fact, in December--
我上个月去过那里，事实上是十二月——
I didn't really want to be distracted by anecdotes.
我真的不想被轶事分散注意力。
Moroccan dirham, as they call the currency there.
摩洛哥迪拉姆，他们对那里的货币的称呼。
So being a bit shy and retiring, I wanted to get rid of them.
因此，由于有点害羞和退休，我想摆脱他们。
And all I could find was an Irish--
我能找到的只是一个爱尔兰人——
Where does this sensitivity come from, this lack of confidence come from?
这种敏感、这种缺乏自信从何而来？
I'm still trying to work that one out.
我仍在努力解决这个问题。
Well, I was uncommonly close my mother.
嗯，我和妈妈的关系异常亲密。
And I was reluctant to go out into the world and do things as a result.
结果我不愿意到外面的世界去做事。
I was almost reclusive in kind of a way, because I didn't go out.
我在某种程度上几乎是隐居的，因为我不出门。
I did go to college for a while, and it didn't work out.
我也曾读过一段时间的大学，但并没有取得什么成绩。
This is in your early 20s?
这是你20岁出头吧？
Roger Dowds Yeah, I was about 21 at the time.
Roger Dowds 是的，当时我大约 21 岁。
GAA fan, are you?
GAA粉丝，你是吗？
Roger Dowds Actually not particularly, but I had that answer before the counties came up.
罗杰·多兹（Roger Dowds）实际上并不是特别，但在县出现之前我就得到了这个答案。
So I think I--
所以我想我——
You're going with that?
你同意吗？
Roger Dowds --have to go with that.
罗杰·多兹——必须接受这一点。
Final answer, Kildare?
最终答案，基尔代尔？
Roger Dowds Final answer.
罗杰·多兹最终回答。
And it makes you worth GBP 8,000, Roger.
这让你值 8,000 英镑，罗杰。
My father, I suppose, was a little distant from us.
我想，我的父亲离我们有点远。
It was hard to get any sense of what he expected from us.
很难理解他对我们的期望。
I sort of feel, in some ways, he was a bit childlike, so sometimes I felt I was fighting for my mother's affection with him.
我觉得，在某些方面，他有点孩子气，所以有时我觉得我在争取母亲对他的感情。
And we had this kind of slightly niggly, sort of relationship as a result.
结果我们就建立了这种有点麻烦的关系。
I suppose we were all a bit on our own little wavelength.
我想我们都有点各自为政。
I was so much younger than the rest, so I think that separated me a bit.
我比其他人年轻得多，所以我认为这让我有点与众不同。
I feel as it's a historical question, now I have a brother who's-- he is a bit of a historian.
我觉得这是一个历史问题，现在我有一个兄弟，他是一位历史学家。
He studied history.
他研究历史。
So I think maybe I should phone him.
所以我想也许我应该给他打电话。
It's my brother, Robert.
这是我的兄弟，罗伯特。
Good evening to you.
晚上好。
This is Gay Byrne on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.
我是《谁想成为百万富翁》中的盖伊·伯恩。
Hello.
你好。
Gay Byrne And your brother Roger has made it to the hot seat.
盖伊·伯恩（Gay Byrne）和你的兄弟罗杰（Roger）已经陷入困境。
And he needs your help in answering a question, all right?
他需要你帮助回答一个问题，好吗？
Thanks very much.
非常感谢。
Gay Byrne There are four possible answers to this question.
盖伊·伯恩 这个问题有四种可能的答案。
The next voice you hear will be his.
你听到的下一个声音将是他的。
And Roger, you have 30 seconds, starting now.
罗杰，你有 30 秒的时间，从现在开始。
Robert, where did the Asgard land guns for the Irish Volunteers in July 1914?
罗伯特，1914 年 7 月，阿斯加德号在哪里为爱尔兰志愿军运送了枪支？
Was it Banna Strand, Scarriff, Howth, or Arklow?
是班纳斯特兰德、斯卡里夫、霍斯还是阿克洛？
Howth.
霍斯。
Roger Dowds Thank you very much.
罗杰·多兹非常感谢你。
You're sure about that?
你确定吗？
About 95%.
大约95%。
Roger Dowds I thought it might be that myself.
罗杰·多兹（Roger Dowds） 我想我自己也可能是这样的。
So thank you.
所以谢谢你。
OK.
好的。
Bye.
再见。
Roger Dowds Thank you very much.
罗杰·多兹非常感谢你。
Bye.
再见。
I'll go with that.
我会同意的。
Howth.
霍斯。
Howth, final answer?
霍斯，最终答案？
Roger Dowds Final answer.
罗杰·多兹最终回答。
Could Roger be right in saying Howth for the answer?
罗杰用霍斯来回答问题是否正确？
We'll take a break here.
我们就在这里休息一下。
Come back to us after this.
在此之后回到我们身边。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Can you remember the day you decided that college wasn't for you or that college wasn't working out?
你还记得你决定大学不适合你或者大学不适合你的那一天吗？
Oh, I didn't feel part of anything there.
哦，我感觉不到那里有什么。
And I had all sorts of essays and assignments that I was supposed to have done.
我有各种各样我应该完成的论文和作业。
And I hadn't started on anything.
而我还没有开始做任何事情。
And just one day, I didn't go in.
只是有一天，我没有进去。
I was so lacking in resources to deal with things then that I couldn't tell anyone.
那时我非常缺乏资源来处理事情，所以我无法告诉任何人。
I actually pretended for a whole term to go to college.
事实上，我整个学期都假装去上大学。
I spent most of the days like a homeless person, walking around town.
大部分时间我都像无家可归的人一样在城里闲逛。
Whatever I did.
无论我做了什么。
I brought in my sandwiches just as I normally had done.
我像往常一样把三明治带了进来。
And my brother, in particular, was trying to get me to go back.
尤其是我的兄弟，试图让我回去。
But it just didn't seem possible.
但这似乎不可能。
It was simple as that.
就这么简单。
The question was, where did the Asgard land guns for the Irish Volunteers in July 1914?
问题是，1914 年 7 月，阿斯加德号在哪里为爱尔兰志愿军运送了枪支？
He had to check with his brother, Robert.
他必须向他的兄弟罗伯特核实。
Robert said Howth.
罗伯特说，霍斯。
He went with Howth.
他和霍斯一起去了。
That was his final answer.
这就是他最后的答案。
And it means he's worth GBP 16,000.
这意味着他的身价为 16,000 英镑。
The next question is worth GBP 32,000, Roger.
下一个问题价值 32,000 英镑，罗杰。
OK.
好的。
Have a look at it.
看看吧。
Who was the first person to run a mile in under four minutes?
谁是第一个在四分钟内跑完一英里的人？
I couldn't believe my luck with this question.
我简直不敢相信我的运气能回答这个问题。
You're shaking your head.
你在摇头。
Roger Dowds Yeah, because I'm going to know it before I see any answers.
罗杰·多兹：是的，因为在看到任何答案之前我就会知道这一点。
Well, I think you arranged this question for me, because it just happens it's my namesake, Roger Bannister.
嗯，我想你为我安排了这个问题，因为它恰好是我的同名者，罗杰·班尼斯特。
I've always had an interest in athletics.
我一直对田径运动很感兴趣。
And I'm quite sure about this one.
我对此非常确定。
Roger Bannister.
罗杰·班尼斯特.
1954, I believe it was.
1954年，我相信是的。
[LAUGHTER] Gay Byrne Roger, don't confuse me with dates.
[笑声] 盖伊·伯恩·罗杰，别把我和约会搞混了。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
Roger Dowds I felt I should be offering more information.
罗杰·多兹（Roger Dowds） 我觉得我应该提供更多信息。
Whatever about the angels, Roger.
不管天使如何，罗杰。
I think mama's looking after you as well, is she?
我想妈妈也在照顾你，是吗？
Because you've just won GBP 32,000.
因为您刚刚赢得了 32,000 英镑。
The crowd seemed to get particularly enthusiastic at that point.
人群在这一点上似乎变得特别热情。
They must have all those checks written out, do they?
他们一定已经写好了所有这些支票，是吗？
Oh, yes.
哦是的。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
There's no writing involved.
没有涉及写作。
GBP 32,000.
32,000 英镑。
And you get to keep that.
你必须保留它。
Nobody can take that from you.
没有人能从你手中夺走它。
No matter what.
无论。
Gay Byrne No matter what, that's yours, OK?
盖伊·伯恩 不管怎样，那都是你的，好吗？
And you're right.
你是对的。
Bannister did run the mile in 1954, not that we asked you.
班尼斯特确实在 1954 年跑了一英里，不是我们问你的。
Did your mother encourage you to go out into the world?
你妈妈有没有鼓励你走向外面的世界？
She did try to encourage me when I left college.
当我离开大学时，她确实试图鼓励我。
She was always looking at courses that I might do.
她总是在寻找我可能会做的课程。
Because I used to do the garden at home or I did a bit of cooking at home, oh, will you do a cookery course?
因为我以前在家里做花园或者我在家做了一些烹饪，哦，你会参加烹饪课程吗？
Will you do a gardening course?
你会参加园艺课程吗？
You know, just to see me doing something.
你知道，只是为了看我做某事。
But then I gradually-- as my parents got older, they started becoming infirm.
但后来我逐渐——随着我的父母变老，他们开始变得虚弱。
And I did become more of a benefit, because I just became their chauffeur and stuff like that.
我确实成为了更多的好处，因为我只是成为了他们的司机之类的。
Was it a time you felt good about yourself?
那段时间你自我感觉良好吗？
I think I felt better that I had some little sense of duty in doing something.
我想我感觉好多了，因为我在做某事时有一点责任感。
Because when I was first at home and my parents were still a bit active, I remember, literally, sometimes that people came in during the day and maybe they thought I should be out.
因为当我第一次在家时，我的父母仍然有点活跃，我记得，确实，有时人们白天进来，也许他们认为我应该出去。
And I'd actually literally hide under the bed-- a grown man in his 20s-- just to avoid having to explain myself.
事实上，我会躲在床底下——一个 20 多岁的成年男子——只是为了避免解释自己。
I couldn't express anger.
我无法表达愤怒。
I was such a-- I don't know-- such a-- well, withdrawn from anger.
我是这样——我不知道——是这样——呃，从愤怒中退缩了。
I was angry in some way.
我在某种程度上很生气。
But I didn't recognize it as anger.
但我并不认为这是愤怒。
Well, I was so full of self-hatred.
嗯，我真是充满了自我憎恨。
I didn't have any sense of self-esteem.
我没有任何自尊感。
So I think because of that I couldn't do things at all.
所以我认为正因为如此我根本无法做事。
[GAME SHOW MUSIC] Roger Dowds I think I have nothing to lose.
[游戏节目音乐] Roger Dowds 我想我没有什么可失去的。
I shall go for Venus as my final answer.
我将选择金星作为我的最终答案。
That's your final answer?
这就是你最终的答案吗？
Roger Dowds Final answer.
罗杰·多兹最终回答。
Venus, final answer.
金星，最终答案。
You had GBP 32,000, Roger.
你有 32,000 英镑，罗杰。
You now have GBP 64,000.
您现在有 64,000 英镑。
The biscuits are from the [UNINTELLIGIBLE] cookery book.
这些饼干来自[无法理解]烹饪书。
Tea and biscuits in Roger's house.
罗杰家里有茶和饼干。
The biscuits are on a plate bought by his family to support the Protestant side in the 1957 boycott, where Catholics boycotted Protestant businesses, and Protestants, like Rogers' family, bought things to keep those businesses alive.
这些饼干装在一个盘子里，是他的家人在 1957 年抵制运动中支持新教一方购买的，当时天主教徒抵制新教企业，而新教徒和罗杰斯的家人一样，购买东西来维持这些企业的生存。
She compiled a cookery book, which seemed to go all around Protestant communities around Ireland.
她编写了一本烹饪书，这本书似乎传遍了爱尔兰各地的新教社区。
Roger felt isolated as a child.
罗杰小时候感到孤立无援。
And the fact that he was part of a minority community only made that feeling of isolation more intense.
事实上，他是少数族裔社区的一员，这一事实只会让这种孤立感更加强烈。
But being a Protestant also got him out of the house.
但身为新教徒也让他走出了家门。
He travels miles to play racket sports in clubs that used to be exclusive to his church, something that's no longer the case, and he's glad of that.
他不远万里去俱乐部参加球拍运动，这些俱乐部以前是他教堂独有的，但现在不再是这样了，他对此感到很高兴。
He goes out to play the organ at church services.
他出去在教堂礼拜时演奏风琴。
And through the church community, he found work in a retirement home set up originally for Protestant residents.
通过教会社区，他在一家最初为新教徒居民设立的养老院找到了工作。
I mean, it has been a tremendous experience over the years.
我的意思是，多年来这是一次巨大的经历。
I met some very special people who have passed away because they were old.
我遇到了一些非常特别的人，他们因为年老而去世了。
Well, my mother died at the end of 1997.
嗯，我的母亲于 1997 年底去世了。
And shortly after that a woman called Joyce [?
不久之后，一位名叫乔伊斯的女士[？
Schultheis ?] came into the home.
舒尔泰斯？]走进家中。
And she just was a tremendous-- excuse me crying-- but gift to me at the time.
她当时对我来说是一个巨大的礼物——请原谅我哭了。
From the generation she came from, she was a person of rare understanding.
在她这一代人看来，她是一个难得有悟性的人。
You could tell her anything, and she was unshockable.
你可以告诉她任何事情，而她却泰然自若。
And because of the slightly narrow environment I'd been living in, I felt things had to be kept secret and kind of hidden.
由于我所居住的环境稍微狭窄，我觉得事情必须保密并隐藏起来。
Suddenly, I got this different perspective.
突然，我有了不同的看法。
[GAME SHOW MUSIC] Roger Dowds I feel very strongly that it's Patrick Kavanagh.
[游戏节目音乐] Roger Dowds 我强烈地感觉到那是帕特里克·卡瓦纳。
I think Louis MacNeice died earlier than 1967.
我认为路易斯·麦克尼斯 (Louis MacNeice) 去世时间早于 1967 年。
So I'll go for Patrick Kavanagh as my final answer.
所以我会选择帕特里克·卡瓦纳（Patrick Kavanagh）作为我的最终答案。
Final answer?
最终答案？
Roger Dowds Final answer, Gay.
罗杰·多兹最终回答，盖伊。
No turning back.
没有回头路。
Roger Dowds No turning back.
罗杰·多兹 没有回头路。
We've gone to [?
我们去了[?
orange.
橙子。
?] That was one of the most surprising pieces of thinking I've seen on this show so far.
？]这是迄今为止我在这个节目中看到的最令人惊讶的想法之一。
And it's won you GBP 100,000.
它为您赢得了 100,000 英镑。
[APPLAUSE] Roger Dowds Around the time I was on Who Wants to Be a Millionare, I started going to a counselor, who I'm still going to.
[掌声]罗杰·多兹（Roger Dowds） 在我参加《谁想成为百万富翁》的时候，我开始去找辅导员，现在我仍然会去找他。
I think she's helped with sort of relieving me after the awful self-hatred.
我认为她在某种程度上帮助我缓解了可怕的自我憎恨之后的情绪。
I got very friendly with quite an elderly man.
我和一位老人非常友好。
And as I said, it was the summer just before I went to school.
正如我所说，那是我上学前的那个夏天。
Oh, sorry, college.
哦，对不起，大学。
And I used to go and visit him.
我过去常常去看望他。
And unfortunately, he started abusing me.
不幸的是，他开始虐待我。
And although I was 18, I suppose I was 12.
虽然我当时 18 岁，但我想我应该是 12 岁。
I hadn't had sex education of any kind.
我没有接受过任何形式的性教育。
I didn't really consent to anything, but I allowed this to happen for about a year, I don't know, because I suppose in some way I valued his attention.
我并没有真正同意任何事情，但我允许这种情况发生大约一年，我不知道，因为我想在某种程度上我很重视他的注意力。
And finally-- because I'd never not confided in my mother-- so I did eventually confide in her about this.
最后——因为我从来没有向我母亲吐露过——所以我最终向她吐露了这件事。
And it was a very difficult thing for her.
而这对她来说是一件非常困难的事情。
She was used to kind of sweeping things aside, putting them under the carpet.
她习惯于把东西扫到一边，把它们放在地毯下面。
I lost a little bit of something with my mother that day.
那天我和妈妈一起失去了一些东西。
I kind of lost a little bit of something with my mother.
我和妈妈一起失去了一些东西。
I idealized her so much.
我太理想化她了。
And she was so wonderful.
她是如此美妙。
I went once.
我去过一次。
But I didn't-- I remember going once to the door and talking to him.
但我没有——我记得有一次走到门口和他说话。
And I made up some outlandish story and, well, lies.
我编造了一些稀奇古怪的故事和谎言。
So as a result of that, he kind of didn't want to have anything more to do with me anyway.
因此，无论如何，他都不想再和我有任何关系了。
I suppose I pretended I'd gone off with someone else.
我想我假装我和别人走了。
Did he think there was something else in what you were doing?
他是否认为你所做的事情还有其他意义？
How do you mean?
你是什么意思？
Sorry.
对不起。
Ronan Kelly Well, did he see it in the same way as you did?
罗南·凯利 嗯，他的看法和你一样吗？
Or did he see it as something else?
或者他认为这是别的什么？
Did he see it as abuse?
他认为这是虐待吗？
Or did he see it as a relationship?
或者他认为这是一种关系？
No, he probably saw it as a relationship or something.
不，他可能将其视为一种关系或其他什么。
I don't think he would have had any sense of the abuse I was feeling.
我认为他不会意识到我所感受到的虐待。
At that point, I think I could have let anyone do anything to me.
那时，我想我可以让任何人对我做任何事。
I had so little self-esteem, I suppose I couldn't-- It's like as if I became mute, and I couldn't shout stop.
我的自尊心太少了，我想我不能——就好像我变成了哑巴，我无法喊停。
[GAME SHOW MUSIC] Roger Dowds I'm very sure I know this one, Gay.
[游戏节目音乐] Roger Dowds 我非常确定我认识这个，盖伊。
[APPLAUSE] Roger Dowds I couldn't believe the audience's response.
[掌声] Roger Dowds 我简直不敢相信观众的反应。
I thought they were going to collapse.
我以为他们要崩溃了。
They're really behind you.
他们真的在你身后。
Roger Dowds Yeah, yeah, extraordinarily so.
罗杰·多兹 是的，是的，非常如此。
I explained the situation earlier, Roger.
我之前解释过情况，罗杰。
[LAUGHTER] You have GBP 125,000.
[笑声] 你有 125,000 英镑。
You walk now, there's the check.
你现在走吧，支票就在这儿。
I have it.
我有。
You could walk now with that.
你现在可以带着它走路了。
If you go for this and get it wrong, you lose GBP 93,000.
如果您这样做并出错，您将损失 93,000 英镑。
But I do know a bit about birds.
但我确实对鸟类有所了解。
And that is my final answer, Gay.
这就是我的最终答案，盖伊。
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] Gay Byrne Final answer.
[欢呼和掌声] 盖伊·伯恩最终的答案。
Final answer.
最终答案。
Gay Byrne You had GBP 125,000, Roger.
盖伊·伯恩 你有 125,000 英镑，罗杰。
You now have GBP 250,000.
您现在有 250,000 英镑。
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] Roger Dowds The whole audience had won it, themselves.
[欢呼和掌声]罗杰·多兹 (Roger Dowds) 全体观众自己赢得了胜利。
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] Roger Dowds Imagine having to take home a cartload of money.
[欢呼和掌声]罗杰·多兹（Roger Dowds）想象一下必须带回家一车钱。
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] Roger Dowds I want to shed a few tears now.
[欢呼和掌声] Roger Dowds 我现在想流几滴眼泪。
[LAUGHTER] Roger Dowds All that was going through my head was that Gay Byrne, himself, had lost a lot of money.
[笑声] 罗杰·多兹 (Roger Dowds) 我脑子里一直在想的是盖伊·伯恩 (Gay Byrne) 本人损失了很多钱。
[LAUGHTER] The next question is worth half a million pounds.
[笑声] 下一个问题价值五十万英镑。
I don't feel I want to look at it, actually.
其实我觉得我不想看它。
I didn't think much.
我没想太多。
Gay Byrne A vexillologist study?
盖伊·伯恩 一项徽章学家研究？
Is it--
难道是——
I think my brain had seized up.
我想我的大脑已经失灵了。
I couldn't come up with anything.
我想不出任何办法。
--flags, or skin diseases?
——旗帜，还是皮肤病？
Vexillologist.
徽章学家。
And if you look at me and say, funnily enough, Gay, I know the answer--
如果你看着我说，有趣的是，盖伊，我知道答案——
You were fairly entertaining, weren't you?
你相当有趣，不是吗？
Yeah, I was surprised how many people thought I was entertaining.
是的，我很惊讶有这么多人认为我很有趣。
No, I'll have to be quite honest to you.
不，我必须对你说实话。
Were you disappointed you hadn't got an easy one?
您是否因没有找到一份简单的工作而感到失望？
Well, I couldn't believe my luck up to that.
好吧，我简直不敢相信自己的运气这么好。
I was carried on in the tide of wanting to keep going, just not even to do with the money, just I was enjoying being up there in some way.
我在想要继续前进的浪潮中前进，甚至与金钱无关，只是我在某种程度上享受在那里。
So I didn't want to stop.
所以我不想停下来。
GBP 18,000.
18,000 英镑。
?] Roger Dowds What's the word?
？] 罗杰·多兹 这个词是什么？
I shall retire now, or whatever I should say.
我现在就要退休了，或者无论我该说什么。
[APPLAUSE] Roger Dowds To get all this positive feedback from other people was extraordinary, to feel I was worth something and people could admire me.
[掌声]罗杰·多兹（Roger Dowds）从其他人那里得到所有这些积极的反馈是非同寻常的，感觉我有价值并且人们可以钦佩我。
It says, pay Roger Dowds GBP 250,000.
上面写着，向 Roger Dowds 支付 250,000 英镑。
Take it with our blessing and our thanks.
带着我们的祝福和感谢接受它。
You've been a lovely, lovely competitor and played extremely well.
你是一个非常非常可爱的竞争者并且打得非常好。
You deserve it.
你值得拥有。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Gay Byrne Enjoy your [INAUDIBLE].
盖伊·伯恩 享受你的[听不清]。
And did friends and family deal differently with you afterwards?
之后朋友和家人对你的态度是否有所不同？
Not enormously.
不是很大。
Well, I think they admired me for having done it.
嗯，我认为他们很钦佩我所做的事情。
I'm the youngest of my family, and I think maybe I was always seen as very vulnerable or sensitive.
我是家里最小的一个，我想也许我总是被视为非常脆弱或敏感。
And maybe they felt the less reason to be worried about my future.
也许他们觉得没有理由担心我的未来。
So what has that future been for Roger?
那么罗杰的未来会怎样呢？
What did he do with the hundreds of thousands?
他对这几十万做什么了？
Well, he uses it as an income to supplement part-time work gardening and house minding.
嗯，他用它作为收入来补充兼职园艺和看家的工作。
It also allows him time to visit elderly people and do messages for them.
这也让他有时间去看望老人并为他们传达信息。
I was persuaded that I absolutely had to get an alarm for the house.
我确信我绝对必须为房子设置警报。
I went on a nice, organized cycling holiday in France, I remember.
我记得我在法国度过了一个愉快的、有组织的自行车假期。
And I went skiing.
我去滑雪了。
I'd never been skiing.
我从来没有滑雪过。
The main thing Roger got from Who Wants to Be a Millionaire wasn't the money.
罗杰从《谁想成为百万富翁》中得到的主要东西不是钱。
It was self-confidence.
这是自信。
Well, I think I'm a lot less shy than I was, perhaps.
嗯，我想我也许比以前没那么害羞了。
I have more sense of well being within myself.
我内心有更多的幸福感。
I don't have the awful self-hatred.
我没有可怕的自我憎恨。
[ORGAN PLAYING] Ronan Kelly In his modest house with his very modest car outside, Roger has one luxury to show for his night on the tele with Gay, a piano organ.
[管风琴演奏] 罗南·凯利 (Ronan Kelly) 在他简陋的房子里，外面有一辆非常简陋的汽车，罗杰 (Roger) 在与盖伊 (Gay) 的电视之夜展示了一件奢侈的东西，一架钢琴风琴。
Ronan Kelly's story about Roger Dowds, from the Irish radio program, Flux on RTE Radio 1.
罗南·凯利 (Ronan Kelly) 关于罗杰·多兹 (Roger Dowds) 的故事，来自 RTE 广播 1 的爱尔兰广播节目 Flux。
It was a winner of the Third Coast International Audio Competition, which is where we heard of it.
它是第三届海岸国际音频比赛的获胜者，我们也是在那里听说的。
Since this show aired, Roger Dowds has picked up another award.
自该节目播出以来，罗杰·多兹又获得了另一个奖项。
He won a gold medal for Ireland in tennis at the Outgames, a competition of gay and lesbian athletes in Montreal.
他在蒙特利尔举行的男女同性恋运动员比赛 Outgames 上为爱尔兰赢得了一枚网球金牌。
Coming up, can quiz shows save the world?
即将到来，智力问答节目可以拯救世界吗？
One woman believed yes.
一位女士相信是的。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
[MUSIC - "REFLEXOS" BY LUIZ ECA]
[音乐 - LUIZ ECA 的“REFLEXOS”]
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week in our program we choose a theme, and bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
在我们的节目中，我们每周都会选择一个主题，并为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's show, The Secret Life of Quiz Shows.
今天的节目是智力问答节目的秘密生活。
We've arrived at act two of our show.
我们已经到了演出的第二幕了。
Act Two, Dire Enigmas For Elite Fans.
第二幕，精英粉丝的可怕谜团。
Every winter, there is this event at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where some of the country's very best puzzle solvers go up against the very best puzzle writers.
每年冬天，麻省理工学院都会举办这样的活动，全国最优秀的谜题解决者将与最优秀的谜题作家展开对决。
It's called the MIT Mystery Hunt.
这就是所谓的麻省理工学院神秘狩猎。
And what it is is a series of puzzles-- word puzzles, number puzzles, scavenger hunts, picture puzzles, puzzles which don't even have a name.
它是一系列谜题——文字谜题、数字谜题、寻宝游戏、图片谜题、甚至没有名字的谜题。
And eventually what all this leads to-- this takes all weekend or longer-- what it leads to, the final answer, it leads you to a coin hidden somewhere on the MIT campus.
最终这一切会导致什么——这需要整个周末或更长时间——它会导致什么，最终的答案，它会引导你找到一枚隐藏在麻省理工学院校园某处的硬币。
This is a team competition.
这是一场团体赛。
The teams are made up of MIT students, and also elite puzzle solvers who fly in from around the country for the event.
这些团队由麻省理工学院的学生以及从全国各地飞来参加活动的精英解谜者组成。
One of our producers, Lisa Pollak, joined them for last year's contest.
我们的制作人之一丽莎·波拉克 (Lisa Pollak) 与他们一起参加了去年的比赛。
She was following a team called Dr. Awkward.
她正在跟随一个名为“尴尬博士”的团队。
And for those of you who are playing along at home, Dr. Awkward is spelled, D-R period Awkward, A-W-K-W-A-R-D.
对于那些在家玩的人来说，Awkward 博士的拼写是 D-R 时期 Awkward、A-W-K-W-A-R-D。
Give yourself two points if you noticed that that is a palindrome, spelled the same forwards and backwards.
如果您发现这是一个回文，并且向前和向后拼写相同，请给自己两分。
Here's Lisa.
这是丽莎。
When you hang out with a puzzle team, you hear a lot of stories like Dave Dickerson's.
当你和解谜团队一起出去玩时，你会听到很多像戴夫·迪克森这样的故事。
When Dave was just a kid, he got this book.
当戴夫还是个孩子的时候，他得到了这本书。
He'll never forget the title.
他永远不会忘记这个头衔。
Puzzles , Puzzles , Puzzles, Puzzles, Puzzles.
谜题，谜题，谜题，谜题，谜题。
Actually, the title might have just been Puzzles, but that's what the cover said.
事实上，标题可能只是《谜题》，但封面就是这么说的。
Dave was obsessed with this book.
戴夫对这本书很着迷。
The puzzles were harder than any he'd ever seen, but he couldn't put them down.
这些谜题比他见过的任何谜题都难，但他无法放下它们。
And I even remember when I saw one of the clues-- not an elegant clue by modern standards-- but it said, damn, I'm trying to fix these socks.
我什至记得当我看到其中一条线索时——按照现代标准来看，这不是一个优雅的线索——但它说，该死的，我正在努力修复这些袜子。
And the answer was darn.
答案是该死的。
The darn socks.
该死的袜子。
You know, needle and thread.
你知道，针和线。
And I thought, I get that.
我想，我明白了。
And I solved it.
我解决了它。
It was the first clue I had actually solved.
这是我真正解决的第一条线索。
And I thought, I can do this.
我想，我能做到。
I had never been challenged this much in my life.
我一生中从未受到过如此大的挑战。
And I didn't realize I could do it.
我没有意识到我能做到。
Not only could Dave do it, he found it impossible to stop doing it, which is how, almost 30 years later, he ended up here, standing in an MIT classroom with the rest of the Dr. Awkward team, warming up for the mystery hunt.
戴夫不仅能做到，而且发现无法停止这样做，这就是为什么，大约 30 年后，他最终来到了这里，与尴尬博士团队的其他成员一起站在麻省理工学院的教室里，为神秘搜寻做准备。
And by warming up, I mean they were plugging in their laptops and setting up a snack table.
我所说的热身，是指他们正在插上笔记本电脑并摆好小吃桌。
This was an experienced team with about 45 people on the roster.
这是一支经验丰富的团队，名单上约有 45 人。
And as far as brainpower goes, they were an intimidating crew-- crossword champs, PhDs, a guy handing out DVDs of his recent appearance on Jeopardy, two guys whose T-shirts I needed help deciphering, and this man, whose nickname I'm still trying to figure out.
就智力而言，他们是一群令人生畏的团队——填字游戏冠军、博士、一个分发他最近在《危险边缘》节目中亮相的 DVD 的人、两个我需要帮助破译他们 T 恤的人，还有这个人，我仍在试图弄清楚他的昵称。
Ucaoimhu, spelled U-C-A-O-I-M-H-U.
Ucaoimhu，拼写为 U-C-A-O-I-M-H-U。
And it's from my real name, Kevin Wald.
这是我的真名凯文·沃尔德。
You split it up as KEV-IN W-ALD.
您将其拆分为 KEV-IN W-ALD。
Ald is an archaic form of the word "old," so you take an old-style "W", which is two "U's." You take "Kev" the way it's in the original Irish spelling, which is C-A-O-I-M-H.
Ald 是“old”一词的古老形式，因此您采用旧式“W”，它是两个“U”。您可以按照原始爱尔兰语拼写方式来理解“Kev”，即 C-A-O-I-M-H。
And you put it in the two "U's," so you get Ucaoimhu.
你把它放在两个“U”中，这样你就得到了 Ucaoimhu。
We're definitely a dangerous team.
我们绝对是一支危险的队伍。
There's no question about it.
毫无疑问。
That's Dave again.
又是戴夫。
He's the person who invited me to hang out here.
他是邀请我来这里玩的人。
And he warned me that the puzzles I'd see his team solve that weekend wouldn't be what most of us imagine when we think of puzzles.
他警告我，那个周末我看到他的团队解决的谜题不会是我们大多数人在想到谜题时所想象的那样。
Mystery hunt puzzles are so elaborate, so complex, that lots of times they don't even have instructions, just a page of words or pictures or numbers arranged in some cryptic way, which means you've often got to solve a puzzle just to know what puzzle you're trying to solve.
神秘狩猎谜题是如此复杂、如此复杂，以至于很多时候它们甚至没有说明，只有一页文字、图片或以某种神秘方式排列的数字，这意味着你经常需要解决一个谜题才能知道你想要解决什么谜题。
So for example, the first puzzle hunt-- or maybe one of the first-- the guy who did it did a puzzle in Linear A, which is an old language.
举个例子，第一个谜题狩猎——或者可能是第一个——做这件事的人用线性 A 做了一个谜题，这是一种古老的语言。
I think it's older than Greek, a very, very primitive, ancient language.
我认为它比希腊语还要古老，希腊语是一种非常非常原始、古老的语言。
And he didn't tell anyone it was Linear A.
他没有告诉任何人这是线性A。
And he took the only two books on Linear A out of the MIT library.
他从麻省理工学院图书馆拿出了仅有的两本关于线性A的书。
People solved it anyway.
无论如何，人们解决了它。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Lisa Pollak The mystery hunt started with an opening ceremony put on by last year's winning team.
丽莎·波拉克 (Lisa Pollak) 神秘探索活动以去年获胜团队举办的开幕式开始。
They're called The Evil Midnight Bombers What Bomb At Midnight.
他们被称为“邪恶的午夜轰炸机”，“午夜炸弹”。
That's the way the hunt works.
这就是狩猎的方式。
The group that won last year's hunt designs and runs this year's contest.
赢得去年狩猎比赛的小组设计并举办了今年的比赛。
Dozens of teams pack the lobby of an MIT building.
数十个团队挤满了麻省理工学院大楼的大厅。
And though they were competing, from what I could tell the mood seemed pretty friendly.
虽然他们是在竞争，但据我所知，气氛似乎相当友好。
The Evil Midnight Bombers kicked things off with a skit.
邪恶的午夜轰炸机以一个小品拉开了序幕。
Then all the teams headed off to various locations around campus, and the solving began.
然后所有团队前往校园周围的不同地点，解决问题就开始了。
[CHALK ON A CHALKBOARD] Jeremy So what do you do with FNTLLLLLLSNN?
[黑板上的粉笔] Jeremy 那么你用 FNTLLLLLLSNN 做什么？
Those ?] just might be an index to something else.
那些？]可能只是其他东西的索引。
It might not even be an index to something in this round.
它甚至可能不是本轮中某些内容的索引。
That's Jeremy and [?
那是杰里米和[?
Tripp, ?] two Dr. Awkward teammates, standing at a blackboard a few hours into the hunt.
特里普，？] 两名尴尬博士的队友，在狩猎开始几个小时后，站在黑板前。
Now I'll be honest, as a spectator sport, competitive puzzle solving has some problems.
现在我说实话，作为一项观赏性运动，竞技解谜存在一些问题。
Most of the time there wasn't much to see, just people huddled in small groups around laptops and conferring over printouts, batting around one idea after another until they hit on an answer.
大多数时候，没什么可看的，只是人们三五成群地挤在笔记本电脑周围，讨论打印出来的内容，讨论一个又一个的想法，直到找到答案。
The third one is Gilligan's Island.
第三个是吉利根岛。
Who's writing this down?
谁在写下这个？
Things seemed to be going pretty well.
事情似乎进展得很顺利。
The blackboard was filling up with answers and new puzzles kept coming.
黑板上写满了答案，新的谜题不断出现。
But there were some stumpers, too.
但也有一些问题。
And that doesn't look promising.
这看起来前景并不乐观。
So look at last letters.
所以看看最后的字母。
SAX?
萨克斯？
Lisa Pollak The name of this puzzle was Continental Divide.
丽莎·波拉克 这个谜题的名称是大陆分水岭。
It was one of those no-instruction puzzles.
这是无指导谜题之一。
There was a sheet of paper with a bunch of pictures of DVD movie covers on it.
有一张纸，上面有一堆DVD电影封面的图片。
And the covers were arranged in a grid, six boxes across and five down.
盖子排列成网格，六个盒子横向，五个盒子向下。
The bottom right-hand box was empty.
右下角的盒子是空的。
All the titles on the covers were blacked out.
封面上的所有标题都被涂黑了。
Finding those was the easy part.
找到这些是很容易的部分。
It turns out all the films had a city, state, or country in the name.
事实证明，所有电影的名字中都有一个城市、州或国家。
Raising Arizona , Road to Singapore , The Tailor of Panama .
抚养亚利桑那州、新加坡之路、巴拿马裁缝。
And so on.
等等。
The answer, everyone agreed, had something to do with those place names, but what?
每个人都同意，答案与这些地名有关，但是什么呢？
Were they trying to put a title in the missing box?
他们是想在缺失的盒子里加上标题吗？
Spell a sentence from a combination of letters?
用字母组合拼出一个句子？
I watched for more than an hour as at least a dozen different people tried together to figure it out.
我看了一个多小时，至少有十几个不同的人一起试图弄清楚。
Annapolis, Dallas, Essex, Cancun.
安纳波利斯、达拉斯、埃塞克斯、坎昆。
All of these in this column do not end in vowels.
本专栏中的所有内容都不以元音结尾。
They plotted the names on a map.
他们将这些名字标在地图上。
They typed them into a spreadsheet.
他们将它们输入到电子表格中。
They put them in a grid and they color coded them by continent.
他们将它们放在一个网格中，并按大陆对它们进行颜色编码。
No pattern was too absurd to consider.
没有什么模式是荒谬到值得考虑的。
Arizona Iced Tea, Singapore sling, Panama hat.
亚利桑那冰茶、新加坡司令、巴拿马帽。
I still think we might be able to get drinks out of them.
我仍然认为我们也许可以从他们那里得到饮料。
India pale ale.
印度淡色艾尔啤酒。
Eric India pale ale and-- OK, yeah.
埃里克·印度淡色啤酒和——好吧，是的。
These are drinks across.
这些都是饮料。
Oh, my God.
我的天啊。
Lisa Pollak They could not have been more wrong.
丽莎·波拉克 他们大错特错了。
I like the idea from half an hour ago where we were mapping these things to letters.
我喜欢半小时前的想法，我们将这些东西映射到字母上。
The answer ended up having something to do with DVD country codes.
答案最终与 DVD 国家/地区代码有关。
But they didn't know that yet.
但他们还不知道这一点。
For now, despite all the work, they weren't getting anywhere.
目前，尽管做了很多工作，但他们一无所获。
At times I couldn't believe they were actually doing this for fun.
有时我不敢相信他们这样做实际上是为了好玩。
But for puzzle people, the struggle is part of the fun.
但对于拼图爱好者来说，挣扎也是乐趣的一部分。
It's not in vain, because they know that somewhere out there there's an answer.
这不是徒劳的，因为他们知道在某个地方有一个答案。
I mean, somebody can say something in the next 15 seconds that will just break this whole thing wide open.
我的意思是，有人可以在接下来的 15 秒内说出一些话，让整个事情彻底破裂。
That's Eric, a veteran of the team.
那是埃里克，球队的老将。
And what he's talking about there, that flash of insight, that aha moment when something suddenly becomes clear, that's the payoff.
他在那里谈论的，是顿悟的灵光乍现，当事情突然变得清晰时的顿悟时刻，这就是回报。
An observation that nobody else saw, seeing through the problem.
没有人看到的观察，看透了问题。
And that's difficult to do.
而这很难做到。
And I'm not going to do it on every puzzle.
我不会对每个谜题都这样做。
I'm not one of the geniuses around here.
我不是这里的天才之一。
But I am able to contribute something, and I'm just waiting for that to happen.
但我能够做出一些贡献，我只是在等待它发生。
You don't have to solve a puzzle to have an aha moment.
您不必解决谜题才能获得顿悟时刻。
The puzzles, if you're a puzzle person, are a pretty reliable way to get them, as opposed to real life, where, as a team member named John pointed out to me, most problems don't come with their own answers.
如果你是一个谜题爱好者，那么谜题是一种非常可靠的获取谜题的方法，这与现实生活相反，正如一位名叫约翰的团队成员向我指出的那样，在现实生活中，大多数问题都没有自己的答案。
You know, it's very different trying to figure out, why does my daughter hate me?
你知道，试图弄清楚为什么我的女儿讨厌我是非常不同的？
And how can I help her?
我该如何帮助她？
Because there's no solution to that.
因为没有解决办法。
Versus, OK, what are those numbers in the background of the evil video?
好吧，邪恶视频背景中的数字是什么？
Are they trying to say some message there?
他们是想在那里传达一些信息吗？
This you get the joy of, OK.
这你会感到高兴，好吧。
At least you got the answer, and you know that you got the answer.
至少你得到了答案，并且你知道你得到了答案。
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Kevin Wald It is right now 1:23 in the morning.
[插话] Kevin Wald 现在是凌晨 1:23。
And we're in the sixth round.
我们已经进入第六轮了。
We've got tons and tons of puzzles in these rounds.
在这些回合中我们遇到了无数的谜题。
When I caught up with Ucaoimhu, the Dr. Awkward team had been solving puzzles for 13 and 1/2 straight hours.
当我采访 Ucaoimhu 时，Awkward 博士团队已经连续 13 又 1/2 个小时解决谜题了。
The desks were covered with empty food containers.
桌子上摆满了空食品容器。
And the classroom was starting to smell like a dorm room whose residents hadn't showered in a while.
教室里开始散发出宿舍的味道，宿舍里的学生已经有一段时间没有洗澡了。
Some team members had gone home to sleep.
一些团队成员已经回家睡觉了。
And a night crew with fresher brains had shown up to relieve them.
一群头脑清醒的夜间工作人员出现了，以缓解他们的压力。
But Ucaoimhu, like a lot of the 20 or so people here, had been there since the start.
但 Ucaoimhu 和这里 20 人左右的许多人一样，从一开始就一直在那里。
Right now, I'm feeling tired.
现在，我感觉很累。
And I'll probably leave within the next hour or so.
我可能会在接下来的一个小时左右离开。
Fortunately, what I'm working on now is a nice, gentle kind of puzzle.
幸运的是，我现在正在做的是一个很好的、温和的谜题。
And by a nice, gentle kind of puzzle, what Ucaoimhu meant was a grid that looked kind of like a crossword puzzle, only with no blacked-in squares, no numbers, and no clues.
Ucaoimhu 所说的“漂亮、温和的谜题”指的是一个看起来有点像填字游戏的网格，只是没有黑色的方块，没有数字，也没有线索。
I repeat, no clues at all, just empty boxes.
我再说一遍，没有任何线索，只有空盒子。
Oh, and in the background, a red cross, like on an English flag.
哦，在背景中，有一个红十字，就像英国国旗上的一样。
And yes, they solved it.
是的，他们解决了这个问题。
I stuck around that night watching until 6:00 in the morning.
那天晚上我一直守到凌晨 6:00。
And what struck me about the whole scene was how matter of fact everyone was, like there was nothing out of the ordinary here, as if this was the most normal thing in the world, men and women, some college students, but plenty with spouses and kids at home, staying up all night in a college classroom solving puzzles.
整个场景让我印象深刻的是，事实上每个人都是如此，就像这里没有什么不寻常的，好像这是世界上最正常的事情，男人和女人，一些大学生，但很多是在家里的配偶和孩子，在大学教室里熬夜解谜。
But the next day, as the hunt stretched into its 30th hour, I caught up with Dave, the guy who invited me here.
但第二天，当狩猎进行到第 30 个小时时，我找到了邀请我来这里的戴夫。
And he told me that, as a puzzle person, he was constantly being reminded that the rest of the world doesn't work this way.
他告诉我，作为一个迷惑的人，他不断地被提醒，世界上的其他地方并不是这样运作的。
Just the other day, he'd gone into a bar.
就在前几天，他走进了一家酒吧。
And when the female bartender came over, he told her about this cool new anagram he'd heard, how if you take the phrase, a dream within a dream, and rearrange the letters, you get, what am I?
当女酒保走过来时，他告诉她他听到了这个很酷的新字谜，如果你把“梦中之梦”这句话重新排列一下字母，你就会明白，我是什么？
A mind reader.
读心术。
This didn't go over so well.
这件事进展得不太顺利。
The bartender-- apparently finding this fact neither interesting nor charming-- just looked at Dave like he was weird.
酒保显然觉得这个事实既不有趣也不迷人，只是看着戴夫，好像他很奇怪。
Dave told me that years ago, while he was working as a greeting card writer for Hallmark in Kansas City, he actually got in trouble for doing this kind of thing.
戴夫告诉我，几年前，当他在堪萨斯城的霍尔马克公司担任贺卡作家时，他实际上因为做这种事情而遇到了麻烦。
My mentor came to me and said, Dave, we have to talk.
我的导师走过来对我说，戴夫，我们必须谈谈。
And he said, Dave, you're using too many literary allusions in your casual speech and people are complaining.
他说，戴夫，你在随意的演讲中使用了太多文学典故，人们在抱怨。
Wait, wait.
等等，等等。
In your speech, not in your greeting cards?
在你的演讲中，而不是在你的贺卡中？
Right, right, just in my everyday speech.
对对对，就我日常讲话而言。
I knew better than to use obscure allusions in greeting cards, goodness gracious.
我知道最好不要在贺卡中使用晦涩的暗示，天哪。
I asked my supervisor, what the hell does that even mean?
我问我的主管，这到底是什么意思？
And he said, I was just told to tell it to you.
他说，我只是被告知要告诉你。
Dave started obsessing about this.
戴夫开始对此着迷。
He wasn't even sure what the problem was, so he began keeping track.
他甚至不确定问题出在哪里，所以他开始跟踪。
One week, every time he had the urge to say something at work, he wrote it in a notebook instead.
有一个星期，每当他在工作中想说什么时，他就会写在笔记本上。
By the end of that week, my notebook was full of the most random crap.
到了那周末，我的笔记本上写满了最随意的废话。
None of it was a literary allusion.
这些都不是文学典故。
Maybe, Dave thought, the problem wasn't him.
戴夫想，也许问题不在于他。
He'd recently been transferred from the humor department to the serious writing staff.
他最近从幽默部门调到严肃写作部门。
And he was surrounded by all these new people who probably just didn't understand him.
他周围都是这些新人，他们可能只是不理解他。
I was still doing lunch with the guys from humor.
我还在和那些幽默的人一起吃午饭。
That was what I felt was my real home, and I could be myself there.
我觉得那才是我真正的家，在那里我可以做我自己。
And so I was at lunch with them maybe two or three weeks later, and one of the guys, as we were going to lunch, said, you know-- and it was a cluster of us, five or six of us, all heading toward the lunch room.
大约两三周后，我和他们一起吃午饭，当我们要去吃午饭时，其中一个人说，你知道——我们一群人，五六个人，都朝午餐室走去。
And one of the guys said, you know, we do a lot of monkey cards.
其中一个人说，你知道，我们做了很多猴子卡片。
And yet--
然而——
You mean cards with pictures of monkeys?
您是指带有猴子图片的卡片吗？
Yes, yes, more or less, because what he actually said was, and yet, they're all illustrated with chimpanzees.
是的，是的，或多或少，因为他实际上说的是，然而，他们都用黑猩猩来说明。
And chimpanzees aren't monkeys, are they?
黑猩猩不是猴子，不是吗？
And I said-- because I had done a report on this in fourth grade, and because it was something of an obsession of mine, monkeys, apes, and so on-- was I said, actually, chimpanzees are apes, along with orangutans, gorillas, and gibbons.
我说——因为我在四年级时曾就此做过一份报告，而且因为这是我对猴子、猿类等的痴迷——我说，实际上，黑猩猩是猿类，还有猩猩、大猩猩和长臂猿。
And in fact, one of the weird things about Planet of the Apes is they don't have any gibbons in them.
事实上，《猩球崛起》的奇怪之处之一就是里面没有长臂猿。
The orangutans that they claim are orangutans look like gibbons.
他们声称的猩猩看起来像长臂猿。
And the way you distinguish apes from monkeys is apes have no tails and they're not exclusively arboreal.
区分猿类和猴子的方法是猿类没有尾巴，而且它们并不完全是树栖动物。
And there was this pause.
然后停顿了一下。
And I said, actually, there's a whole subset of other animals that are like monkeys called prosimians.
我说，实际上，有一个像猴子一样的其他动物的整个子集，称为原猴。
And they include the lemur, and the tarsier, and the kinkajou, and the galago-- also called the bush baby-- and they're really goofy looking.
它们包括狐猴、眼镜猴、金卡朱猴和加拉戈猴——也称为丛林宝宝——它们看起来真的很傻。
And boy, if they had a Planet of the Prosimians, I would totally watch that movie.
天哪，如果他们有一部 Prosimians 星球，我绝对会看那部电影。
And there was a further pause.
然后又停顿了一下。
And one of my friends said, oh, Dave, hey, speaking of animals, would you like to see the rat's ass that I give?
我的一个朋友说，哦，戴夫，嘿，说到动物，你想看看我给的老鼠屁股吗？
And I thought, oh, that's my problem.
我想，哦，这是我的问题。
I inform people against their will.
我违背人们的意愿通知他们。
So what you're saying is that the thing that can be very annoying in the real world is the same thing that makes you really good at solving puzzles?
那么你的意思是说，现实世界中非常烦人的事情和让你真正擅长解决谜题的事情是一样的吗？
Yes, yes.
是的，是的。
Although I also feel obliged to point out that perhaps the more important point-- as far as I'm concerned-- is the thing that makes me annoying in the regular world is not annoying here.
尽管我也觉得有必要指出，也许更重要的一点——就我而言——是让我在常规世界中感到烦人的事情在这里并不令人讨厌。
This environment is one of the only places where I can say something like that and not worry that I might be irritating someone by saying it, that even if it's not relevant, people at least understand the impulse.
这个环境是我可以说这样的话的唯一地方之一，而不用担心我说出来可能会激怒别人，即使它不相关，人们至少可以理解这种冲动。
On a puzzle team, Dave can be himself only better.
在解谜团队中，戴夫只能更好地做自己。
And I think this is true for a lot of people whose talents require the right context in which to shine.
我认为对于很多人来说都是如此，他们的才能需要合适的环境来发挥。
Think about it.
想一想。
A boxer without a boxing ring is just a guy punching people.
没有拳击台的拳击手只是一个打人的人。
In a puzzle competition, a guy with a mind for obscure facts can be a star.
在智力竞赛中，一个善于发现晦涩事实的人可能会成为明星。
Lisa Pollak.
丽莎·波拉克。
The 2007 MIT Mystery Hunt was won in 38 hours and 14 minutes by none other than the Dr. Awkward team, whose members immediately began planning for this year's hunt, which was won two weeks ago by the team, Evil Midnight Bombers What Bomb at Midnight.
2007 年麻省理工学院的神秘狩猎活动，由 Dr. Awkward 团队在 38 小时 14 分钟内获胜，该团队的成员立即开始计划今年的狩猎活动，两周前由 Evil Midnight Bombers What Bomb at Midnight 团队获胜。
If you'd like to try some of these mystery hunt puzzles yourself, you can find them all by Googling MIT Mystery Hunt.
如果您想亲自尝试一些神秘狩猎谜题，您可以通过谷歌搜索麻省理工学院神秘狩猎找到所有这些谜题。
And God have mercy on your soul.
愿上帝怜悯你的灵魂。
[MUSIC - "SMARTER THAN YOU" BY THE UNDERTONES]
[音乐-“比你聪明”的底色]
Act Three, Girls in Need of a Safer Time.
第三幕，需要更安全时光的女孩。
Robin Epstein remembers the ad.
罗宾·爱泼斯坦还记得这则广告。
There was a hospital nursery full of babies.
医院的婴儿室里挤满了婴儿。
And one baby girl tosses off her pink knit cap.
一名女婴扔掉了她的粉色针织帽。
It lands on the floor.
它落在地板上。
This inspires other little baby girls to do the same.
这激励其他小女婴也这样做。
Pink hats come flying off of heads.
粉红色的帽子从头上飞落。
Finally, the first little baby girl raises her little baby fist into the air, as Helen Reddy sings, "I Am Woman."
最后，第一个小女婴将她的小拳头举向空中，海伦·雷迪唱着“我是女人”。
[MUSIC - "I AM WOMAN" BY HELEN REDDY]
[音乐 - 海伦·雷迪的《我是女人》]
Please, don't stand up in your cars.
请不要在车内站立。
This was an ad for the Oxygen Network, all-women's network, just about to go on the air, February 2, 2000, which Robin found completely thrilling.
这是 Oxygen Network（全女性网络）的广告，即将于 2000 年 2 月 2 日播出，罗宾觉得这完全令人兴奋。
It was this really wonderful moment of, here we go.
这真是美妙的时刻，我们开始吧。
It sort of heralded our arrival, and the birth of the network, and the excitement behind it.
它在某种程度上预示着我们的到来、网络的诞生以及其背后的兴奋。
And it felt like it was something really to cheer for.
感觉这确实是值得欢呼的事情。
Robin had just gotten a job on a brand-new show on this brand-new network.
罗宾刚刚在这个全新网络的一个全新节目中找到了一份工作。
It was a quiz show for teenage girls called Clued In.
这是一个针对十几岁女孩的智力问答节目，名为《线索》(Clued In)。
Robin was going to write all the questions in the quiz.
罗宾打算写下测验中的所有问题。
And she did this with a real sense of mission.
她带着真正的使命感做到了这一点。
It just seemed like a fantastic idea for a show to me, which was to get teenage girls on a quiz show and to show the world, really, how smart they were.
对我来说，举办一个节目似乎是一个很棒的主意，让十几岁的女孩参加智力问答节目，并向世界展示她们真的有多聪明。
Show the world and show other teenage girls?
向世界展示并向其他十几岁的女孩展示？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
And I wanted to show that these were the girls that you should be looking up to, that there were, in fact, role models that you weren't seeing.
我想表明，这些是你应该尊敬的女孩，事实上，有一些你没有看到的榜样。
Right, and they walk among us.
是的，他们走在我们中间。
They're everyday girls.
她们都是平凡的女孩。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Ira Glass Yeah.
艾拉·格拉斯 是的。
Did you know about these studies at the time that-- I think the researcher was named Gilligan.
你当时知道这些研究吗——我认为研究人员名叫吉利根。
Yeah, Carol Gilligan.
是的，卡罗尔·吉利根。
Absolutely.
绝对地。
Yes.
是的。
I think it was basically until the age of 11 or so, girls in class, they are constantly raising their hands.
我想基本上是到11岁左右，班里的女生，都是不断举手的。
It's important that they look smart.
他们看起来很聪明很重要。
They want to impress their teachers.
他们想给老师留下深刻的印象。
And so they're constantly all about giving the right answer, and reading, and researching, and whatnot.
因此，他们不断地致力于给出正确的答案、阅读、研究等等。
And then there's something that happens to these girls at age 12 or 13 where it inverts.
然后这些女孩在 12 岁或 13 岁时会发生一些事情，情况发生了逆转。
And suddenly, appearing smart is not important at all for the majority of them.
突然之间，对于他们中的大多数人来说，显得聪明一点也不重要了。
And when you began this show, did you know about that research?
当你开始这个节目时，你知道这项研究吗？
And did you believe it?
你相信吗？
I absolutely knew about the research.
我完全了解这项研究。
I didn't buy it.
我没买。
I thought, no way.
我想，没办法。
I mean, sort of based on my own experiences in school, I was in a public school, but a lot of my friends were really smart girls.
我的意思是，根据我自己在学校的经历，我在一所公立学校，但我的很多朋友都是非常聪明的女孩。
And we were all sort of very pleased with being high achievers and doing all this stuff.
我们都对成为高成就者并做所有这些事情感到非常高兴。
And I just thought, that research is a crock.
我只是想，这项研究是个废物。
You know, where is this woman going?
你知道，这个女人要去哪里？
What schools?
什么学校？
How many girls did she actually interview?
她实际上采访了多少女孩？
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] Ian Kesler Welcome back.
[欢呼和掌声]伊恩·凯斯勒欢迎回来。
Welcome back.
欢迎回来。
I'm Ian Kesler, and it's time to get Clued In.
我是伊恩·凯斯勒，是时候了解线索了。
And just describe what the early shows were like, what kinds of questions there were, how people would respond.
只需描述一下早期的节目是什么样的，有什么样的问题，人们会如何回应。
Right.
正确的。
So in the early shows, we would ask a range of questions.
所以在早期的节目中，我们会提出一系列问题。
And I thought that there was a baseline of things that clued-in people should be aware of and should know.
我认为人们应该意识到并且应该知道一些事情的基线。
All right, here's the question.
好吧，问题来了。
When stocks rise, it's a bull market.
当股票上涨时，就是牛市。
What animal symbolizes a market decline?
什么动物象征市场衰退？
Chicken?
鸡？
Ian Kesler No. Good guess, but that wasn't it.
伊恩·凯斯勒 (Ian Kesler) 不。猜得不错，但事实并非如此。
Janine.
珍妮.
A bird?
一只鸟？
Ian Kesler No, that's incorrect.
伊恩·凯斯勒 不，那是不正确的。
Do you want to give it a shot, Jacqueline?
杰奎琳，你想尝试一下吗？
No. Ian Kesler No, you don't?
不，伊恩·凯斯勒（Ian Kesler）不，你不这么认为吗？
You don't want to embarrass yourself?
你不想让自己难堪吗？
All right, so actually it's a bear.
好吧，实际上它是一只熊。
It's a bear market.
这是一个熊市。
OK, don't worry about it.
好吧，不用担心。
So is that pretty typical?
那么这是很典型的吗？
Robin Epstein Yes.
罗宾·爱泼斯坦 是的。
There started to be a creeping sensation that the questions were way, way too hard when she came out with chicken.
当她带着鸡肉出来时，人们开始有一种毛骨悚然的感觉，觉得这些问题太难了。
That's where I thought, oh, OK, we have a problem.
这就是我想的，哦，好吧，我们有问题了。
Here we go.
开始了。
500-point follow-up, same category.
500分跟进，同类别。
What losing presidential candidate lost the use of his hand in World War II?
哪位失败的总统候选人在二战中失去了双手？
Three seconds.
三秒钟。
Emily.
艾米丽。
Teddy Roosevelt?
泰迪·罗斯福？
Ian Kesler No. Anybody else want to give it a shot?
Ian Kesler 不。还有其他人想尝试一下吗？
Come on.
快点。
Bob Dole.
鲍勃·多尔.
Bob Dole.
鲍勃·多尔.
Yeah, World War II.
是的，第二次世界大战。
With the girls out there not able to get answers, not able to get these answers, did you ever feel a little guilty?
当女孩们无法得到答案，无法得到这些答案时，你是否感到有点内疚？
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Like you're doing them a disservice, you're making them look bad.
就像你在伤害他们一样，你让他们看起来很糟糕。
Oh, absolutely, every day.
哦，当然，每天。
It was one of these things where, when they had the blank stares and they were not ringing in on their buzzers, I would sort of sit there and I just had my hand on my forehead, sort of looking down, and just feeling like, what have I done?
这是其中一件事，当他们茫然地凝视并且他们没有按响蜂鸣器时，我会坐在那里，我只是把手放在额头上，有点低头，只是感觉，我做了什么？
Like I have put them in this position.
就像我把他们放在这个位置上一样。
It is my fault that they can not answer, that in fact, not only am I not showing that girls are smart, I have put on the air that girls are stupid.
他们无法回答是我的错，事实上，我不仅没有表现出女孩们聪明，我还表现出女孩们很愚蠢。
That's really good.
那真是太好了。
And actually, Lauren, that's wrong, too.
事实上，劳伦，这也是错误的。
So you don't get any points.
所以你得不到任何积分。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
All right.
好的。
Jasmine, are you ready?
茉莉花，你准备好了吗？
Here's your first question.
这是你的第一个问题。
Now, this is a show on a network for women--
现在，这是一个针对女性的网络节目——
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass --and it's aimed at girls.
Ira Glass——它是针对女孩的。
Yeah, that is a great question.
是的，这是一个很好的问题。
We actually auditioned scores of women to be hosts of the show.
我们实际上试镜了数十名女性担任该节目的主持人。
There was one girl who was possibly a good fit for the show.
有一个女孩可能很适合这个节目。
And?
和？
Robin Epstein And she was not really pretty enough to be on TV.
罗宾·爱泼斯坦（Robin Epstein） 而且她还不够漂亮，不适合上电视。
She was good, but she wasn't just pretty enough?
她很好，但还不够漂亮？
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass Even on this sort of pro-woman network?
Ira Glass 即使在这种支持女性的网络上？
Even on the we-love-you-for-what's-on-the-inside network.
即使在“我们爱你”的内部网络上也是如此。
Yes.
是的。
And what did you think when you saw that go down?
当你看到它下降时你有什么想法？
Did you just feel like, OK, well, whatever, it's television?
你是否只是觉得，好吧，好吧，无论如何，这是电视？
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, we were TV people, and so there-- and the assumption also was that if we wanted teen girls to be interested, maybe we give them a little eye candy.
我的意思是，我们是电视人，所以我们的假设是，如果我们想让十几岁的女孩感兴趣，也许我们会给她们一点养眼的东西。
And the host that we chose sort of had a passing resemblance to Matt Damon.
我们选择的主持人与马特·达蒙有几分相似。
He was like a Matt Damon type.
他就像马特达蒙类型。
And here's the question.
这就是问题所在。
What amendment gave women the right to vote?
哪项修正案赋予妇女投票权？
There you go, [?
就这样，[?
Kocey.
科西。
?] It's all you.
？] 都是你。
Three seconds.
三秒钟。
Woman 3 Ninth?
女3第九？
Eighth?
第八？
Ninth?
第九？
Say Ninth.
说九号。
The Ninth.
第九个。
No, wait.
不，等等。
Woman 3 No, no, she didn't say it.
女人3 不不，她没说。
I'm going to guess 14th.
我猜是14号。
Ian Kesler That's incorrect.
伊恩·凯斯勒 这是不正确的。
Actually, it's the 19th Amendment.
实际上，这是第十九修正案。
19th Amendment.
第十九修正案。
None of us deserve the right to vote, because we don't know that.
我们谁都不配拥有投票权，因为我们不知道这一点。
That's true, exactly.
确实如此。
So nobody gets the final question.
所以没有人能回答最后的问题。
None of us deserves the right to vote.
我们谁都不配拥有投票权。
Yes, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
[LAUGHTER] So the girls can't answer most of the questions that you designed for the show.
[笑声] 所以女孩们无法回答你为节目设计的大部分问题。
What do you do?
你做什么工作？
You dumb down questions.
你把问题问得哑巴了。
You give them things that anyone of any age, of any mental capacity could possibly answer.
你给他们的东西是任何年龄、任何智力水平的人都可能回答的。
God.
上帝。
Ian Kesler God, that's right.
伊恩·凯斯勒 天啊，没错。
So you're up to 4,000 points.
所以你的积分高达 4,000 分。
Abby, you've got 3,250.
艾比，你有 3,250 个。
Which one do you want to go with?
你想和哪一个一起去？
All right, I'll take This Spells Disaster.
好吧，我接受这咒语灾难。
This Spells Disaster.
这意味着灾难。
Here's the question.
这是问题所在。
Without fumbling, who can spell her first name backwards?
谁能不费力地把自己的名字倒过来拼写呢？
E-I-T-A-K.
E-I-T-A-K。
Ian Kesler There you go.
伊恩·凯斯勒 就这样吧。
She's on the board.
她是董事会成员。
Yeah, that wasn't one of my prouder moments as a question writer.
是的，那不是我作为问题撰写者最自豪的时刻之一。
I'll take Sign Me Up, please.
请让我注册。
Ian Kesler Sign Me Up, all right.
伊恩·凯斯勒（Ian Kesler）给我注册，好吧。
This is actually a physical challenge.
这实际上是对体力的挑战。
We want to see who can get an autograph on their arm from the cutest boy in the audience.
我们想看看谁能从观众中最可爱的男孩那里得到签名。
[BUZZER] All right, Rachel, here you go.
[蜂鸣器] 好吧，雷切尔，给你。
Here's a pen.
这是一支笔。
You've got 15 seconds.
你有 15 秒的时间。
Go right now.
现在就去吧。
15 seconds.
15秒。
Come on, cheer for her.
来吧，为她加油。
15 seconds.
15秒。
[CHEERING] Ira Glass So in this one, they're running through the audience with pens.
[欢呼] Ira Glass 所以在这一集中，他们拿着笔在观众席中奔跑。
And isn't this pretty much exactly the kind of boy crazy culture that you were trying to not encourage?
这不正是你试图不鼓励的那种男孩疯狂文化吗？
Yes.
是的。
This was pretty much exactly the opposite of what we were trying to show with the show.
这与我们试图通过节目展示的内容几乎完全相反。
And that did kind of made me sad that here are these-- they're the ones who are on air and who should be the role models.
这确实让我感到难过，因为这些人是在广播中的人，他们应该成为榜样。
And it was pretty disappointing to realize that, even though we were trying to find them and to show this, we were failing at it.
令人非常失望的是，尽管我们试图找到它们并展示这一点，但我们却失败了。
What would be your dream car?
您梦想的汽车是什么？
Woman 8 Um, I guess my dream car would be a Mustang.
女人 8 嗯，我想我的梦想汽车是野马。
A Mustang.
野马。
Like a new one or an old one?
喜欢新的还是旧的？
Whatever.
任何。
Like, I probably-- Ira Glass And so, when you got into this, your whole idea was, like, OK, let's show how smart girls are.
就像，我可能——艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）所以，当你进入这个领域时，你的整个想法就是，好吧，让我们展示女孩有多么聪明。
And at the end of this experience, how did you feel?
这次经历结束后，您感觉如何？
I felt girls are dumb.
我感觉女孩子都傻了。
Ira Glass Girls are dumb.
艾拉·格拉斯 女孩们都很蠢。
Girls are dumb.
女孩子都是傻子。
Ira Glass Just listen to yourself.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 听听你自己的声音吧。
I know.
我知道。
This experience remains one of these things that I'm not entirely sure how to explain.
这次经历仍然是我不完全确定如何解释的事情之一。
I do think women are smart.
我确实认为女人很聪明。
But the lesson of what I saw versus what I want to believe is very different.
但我所看到的教训与我想要相信的教训是非常不同的。
But is it possible the girls were smart but just not smart in a way that could be made apparent in a trivia quiz?
但有没有可能这些女孩很聪明，但只是不聪明，可以在小测验中表现出来？
Yes.
是的。
I just think that, for a lot of it, the girls seemed much more interested in just sort of showing this really superficial side to themselves, that it was all about sort of what they looked like, and it was all about how they were presenting themselves, as opposed to what was more on the inside, or what seemed like good things to achieve.
我只是认为，在很多情况下，女孩们似乎更感兴趣的是向自己展示这种非常肤浅的一面，这一切都与她们的外表有关，并且与她们如何展示自己有关，而不是更多的内在，或者看起来像是要实现的美好事物。
I wonder if just in the end your mistake was you just thought more people were like you than really are.
我想知道你的错误是否归根结底是你认为像你一样的人比实际情况要多。
And that's the mistake that runs the world, basically.
基本上，这就是主导世界的错误。
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, I think that's probably the case.
我的意思是，我认为情况可能就是这样。
Probably not many other girls were spending their weekends playing Trivial Pursuit with their friends.
可能没有多少女孩会在周末和朋友一起玩《琐碎的追求》。
But I no longer feel like it is mine to try and improve the quality of girls.
但我不再觉得尝试提高女孩的素质是我的责任。
That was maybe an idealistic something that I had in my 20s.
这也许是我20多岁的时候就有的一种理想主义的东西。
Because you don't think they need it or because you think it's hopeless?
因为你认为他们不需要它，还是因为你认为它没有希望？
Because I don't-- I'm not sure it's possible.
因为我不——我不确定这是否可能。
Yeah?
是的？
Robin Epstein Yeah.
罗宾·爱泼斯坦 是的。
I'd like not use the word, "hopeless," but hard, certainly.
我不想使用“绝望”这个词，但确实很难。
And I don't know what can.
而且我不知道能做什么。
I think there's just-- I mean, I think that there can be a role model, per se, that maybe could have this influence.
我认为，我的意思是，我认为可能存在一个榜样，它本身可能会产生这种影响。
But it's not a game show.
但这不是一个游戏节目。
Certainly coming up with a quick fix, or a quick answer, or ringing in for something at the buzzer doesn't seem like the long-term solution.
当然，想出一个快速解决办法，或者一个快速答案，或者按门铃响铃似乎不是长期的解决方案。
Robin Epstein in New York.
罗宾·爱泼斯坦在纽约。
Credits Ira Glass Our program was produced today by Alex Blumberg and myself.
图片来源 Ira Glass 今天我们的节目是由 Alex Blumberg 和我自己制作的。
Bob Harris, the Jeopardy champ that we heard from at the beginning of our program, has written a memoir about how he won and then lost on Jeopardy called Prisoner of Trebekistan.
我们在节目开始时就听说过《危险边缘》冠军鲍勃·哈里斯 (Bob Harris)，他写了一本回忆录，讲述了他如何在《危险边缘》中获胜和失败，书名为《特雷贝克斯坦的囚徒》(Prisoner of Trebekistan)。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website, where you can find our free weekly podcast, absolutely free, www.thisamericanlife.org.
[致谢] 我们的网站，您可以在其中找到我们的免费每周播客，完全免费，www.thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] And the show that we originally had been planning for this week, with the theme, Tough Room, which includes a visit to the very tough room that is the editorial offices of The Onion , will be here next week.
[资金来源]我们原本计划在本周举办的节目，主题为“艰难的房间”，其中包括参观“洋葱”编辑部这个非常艰难的房间，将于下周在这里播出。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by Mr. Torey Malatia, who has this announcement, that I believe will come as a great relief to mothers everywhere.
Torey Malatia 先生对我们的计划进行了 WBEZ 管理监督，他宣布了这一消息，我相信这会让世界各地的母亲们松一口气。
I no longer feel like it is mine to try and improve the quality of girls.
我不再觉得尝试提高女孩的素质是我的责任。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。