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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass Back when the movie Schindler's List came out, I was friends with these two missionaries.
序言： 序言 Ira Glass 早在电影《辛德勒的名单》上映时，我就是这两位传教士的朋友。
They worked with Chicago gang kids who they would meet in prison and try to bring to God.
他们与芝加哥黑帮的孩子们一起工作，他们会在监狱里遇见这些孩子，并试图将他们带到上帝面前。
Anyway-- one day I got a call from them.
不管怎样——有一天我接到了他们的电话。
They just had seen Schindler's List, and they wanted to talk about it because, you know, call your Jewish friend.
他们刚刚看过《辛德勒的名单》，他们想谈论它，因为，你知道，打电话给你的犹太朋友。
They'd seen Schindler's List, and I was their Jewish friend.
他们看过《辛德勒的名单》，而我是他们的犹太朋友。
Anyway, so we got together.
无论如何，我们就这样在一起了。
And what they said was, first of all, "We think we understand you better now thanks to Schindler's List.." And I think what that was about was they knew about the Holocaust, of course, before this.
他们首先说的是，“多亏了《辛德勒的名单》，我们认为我们现在更好地了解了你们……”我认为这意味着他们当然在此之前就了解了大屠杀。
But it was more of a kind of a historical fact like you read about in a book.
但这更像是一种历史事实，就像你在书中读到的那样。
The reality of what happened in the Holocaust I don't think ever had really hit them.
我认为大屠杀中发生的现实并没有真正影响到他们。
The emotional reality of it just hadn't hit them in the gut-- all those people dying.
情感上的现实并没有击中他们的内心——所有的人都在死去。
So we got together, and we talked about it.
于是我们聚在一起，讨论了这件事。
And they said the scene that touched them most was at the end of the film.
他们表示，最让他们感动的一幕是影片的结尾。
And if you've seen Schindler's List, it's the scene after the war.
如果你看过《辛德勒的名单》，那是战后的场景。
And it's this rich guy, Schindler, who had been using his money during the war to save Jews from dying in concentration camps.
正是这个有钱人，辛德勒，在战争期间一直用他的钱来拯救死于集中营的犹太人。
And he realizes that now that the war is over, he could have saved so many more people.
他意识到，既然战争已经结束，他本可以拯救更多的人。
He still had money he hadn't used.
他还有钱没有用完。
He could have saved more people.
他本可以拯救更多的人。
And there's a scene where he goes from person to person saying stuff like, "I could have sold this pin and saved two more Jews.
有一个场景，他挨着一个人说这样的话，“我本可以卖掉这枚别针，然后再拯救两个犹太人。
It's gold.
这是金子。
Or this car."
或者这辆车。”
This car.
这辆车。
What good would have bought this car?
买这车有什么好处？
Why did I keep the car?
我为什么要留车？
10 people right there.
那里有10个人。
So we're talking about this scene, and my friends, Jane and Glen, the missionaries, say this thing that totally surprised me.
所以我们正在谈论这个场景，我的朋友简和格伦，传教士，说了这件事让我完全惊讶。
They said, "That's us.
他们说：“那就是我们。
That's our daily life, that scene.
那就是我们的日常生活，那个场景。
That's our life." This Saturday, for example, Glen says, he wanted to stay home and watch the ballgame on TV.
这就是我们的生活。”例如，格伦说，这个星期六他想呆在家里看电视上的球赛。
But he thought to himself, "No, no. I've got to go out there, and I've got to save another kid.
但他心里想：“不，不。我必须出去，我必须救另一个孩子。
I've got to try to save another kid.
我必须尽力拯救另一个孩子。
I gotta go to the jail.
我得去监狱。
I gotta go to juvie."
我得去少年队。”
And they both said that at the end of their lives, it's going to be just like that scene in Schindler's List.
他们都说，在他们生命的尽头，一切都会像《辛德勒的名单》中的场景一样。
They're going to go to heaven, and they're going to be called into account.
他们会去天堂，他们会受到重视。
And it's going to be, "You took this day off, and you pretended to be doing paperwork.
它会是，“你今天休息了，你假装在做文书工作。
And you could have been out there saving another kid.
你本来可以去拯救另一个孩子。
Or you watched the doubleheader with Cincinnati, and there was a teenager who was ready to hear your message and come to God." And they were going to be held to account.
或者你看了与辛辛那提队的双打比赛，有一个青少年已经准备好听到你的信息并来到上帝面前。”他们将被追究责任。
I think before this conversation, my understanding of Jane and Glen's life was pretty much exactly like their understanding of the Holocaust.
我想在这次谈话之前，我对简和格伦生活的理解几乎就像他们对大屠杀的理解一样。
I understood in my head.
我心里明白了。
I understood intellectually that they had given their lives over to serving God.
我从理智上理解他们已经把自己的生命奉献给了侍奉上帝。
I understood that as a fact.
我明白这是事实。
But what it actually meant had not totally penetrated me.
但我并没有完全理解它的真正含义。
Jane and Glen, my friends, they were like superheroes.
简和格伦，我的朋友，他们就像超级英雄。
They had this incredible power, the power to save somebody, to bring them to God, to turn somebody's life around.
他们拥有令人难以置信的力量，有能力拯救某人，将他们带到上帝面前，改变某人的生活。
And I've got to say, I met kids whose lives were completely straightened out because of them.
我不得不说，我遇到过一些孩子，他们的生活因为他们而完全井然有序。
They did a really nice job.
他们做得非常好。
They did save kids.
他们确实拯救了孩子。
And with their great power came great responsibility, a responsibility they tried really, really hard to live up to.
他们的强大力量带来了巨大的责任，他们非常非常努力地努力履行这一责任。
Well, today on our radio show, we have other people who feel that same sense of power and responsibility in their daily lives.
好吧，今天在我们的广播节目中，我们有其他人在日常生活中感受到同样的权力和责任感。
And I'm not just talking here about judges and doctors and four-star generals and people you would expect and hope would feel the burden that comes with that amount of power.
我在这里谈论的不仅仅是法官、医生、四星将军以及那些你期望并希望感受到如此大的权力所带来的负担的人。
I'm talking about normal people, people you might not suspect.
我说的是普通人，你可能不会怀疑的人。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life.
嗯，来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台，这就是《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Our program today, "With Great Power," are shown in three acts.
我们今天的节目《威力无穷》分三幕。
Act One, Objects in Side View Mirror Are Truer Than They Appear.
第一幕，侧视镜中的物体比看起来更真实。
Act Two, Unwelcome Wagon.
第二幕，不受欢迎的马车。
Act Three, Waiting for Joe.
第三幕，等待乔。
In that act, Shalom Auslander has a tale of the being with more power than any other and more responsibility.
在那一幕中，沙洛姆·奥斯兰德讲述了一个比任何人都拥有更多权力和更多责任的人的故事。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Objects in Side View Mirror Are Truer Than They Appear.
第一幕，侧视镜中的物体比看起来更真实。
Well, the woman in the heart of this next story has the power to change two people's lives.
嗯，下一个故事的中心人物有能力改变两个人的生活。
And the thing is, at the height of her power, she doesn't even know she has it.
问题是，在她权力的鼎盛时期，她甚至不知道自己拥有它。
Alex Kotlowitz tells the story.
亚历克斯·科特洛维茨讲述了这个故事。
On this one August day in 1979, Carla Dimkoff learned something which shaped the rest of her life and the life of a complete stranger.
1979 年 8 月的今天，卡拉·迪姆科夫 (Carla Dimkoff) 学到了一些东西，这些东西影响了她的余生，也影响了一个完全陌生的人的生活。
And the thing about it is it took 26 years for her to realize that.
事情是她花了 26 年才意识到这一点。
At the time, Carla was 19 years old.
当时，卡拉19岁。
She was living in a trailer home in the small town of White Cloud, Michigan, when her father, James Keller, who lived in Tennessee, showed up unannounced driving a motor home.
当她住在密歇根州白云小镇的一辆拖车屋里时，住在田纳西州的父亲詹姆斯·凯勒突然开着一辆房车出现。
Her father was a bit of a vagabond, someone who lived on the edge.
她的父亲是一个有点流浪汉，生活在边缘的人。
So this surprise visit wasn't all that unusual.
所以这次意外的访问并不罕见。
He did this all the time.
他一直这样做。
He would basically abandon my mom, and he would just take off for days at a time.
他基本上会抛弃我妈妈，而且他会一次离开几天。
And he would end up wherever he wanted in several different states.
他最终会去几个不同的州，去任何他想去的地方。
And this time, he ended back up in Michigan.
这一次，他最终回到了密歇根。
Carla was kind of at loose ends herself.
卡拉自己也有点无所事事。
She'd been raising a daughter alone, and the day her father arrived, Carla had gotten married to a man she'd met just a week before.
她独自抚养一个女儿，在她父亲到来的那天，卡拉就和一个一周前才认识的男人结婚了。
Her father gave them $20 as a wedding gift and wished them well.
她的父亲给了他们 20 美元作为结婚礼物，并祝愿他们一切顺利。
Then they went their separate ways for the evening.
然后晚上他们就分道扬镳了。
Carla and her new husband got home around 2:00 AM.
卡拉和她的新婚丈夫凌晨 2:00 左右回到家。
But her father was still out.
但她的父亲仍然外出。
He stayed out most of the night.
他大半夜都待在外面。
When I got up the next morning-- it was fairly early.
第二天早上我起床的时候——时间还很早。
I want to say between 7:00 and 9:00, 10:00 AM.
我想说的是 7:00 到 9:00、10:00 AM 之间。
He was in the driveway.
他在车道上。
I walked outside, and I said, "Hi, where you been?" And at some point, he told me he'd been at the Lamp Lite Bar for a little while.
我走到外面，问道：“嗨，你去哪儿了？”在某个时候，他告诉我他已经在 Lamp Lite 酒吧待了一段时间。
And I was kind of puzzled because the bar is closed at 2:15 or 2:30.
我有点困惑，因为酒吧在 2:15 或 2:30 就关门了。
And I wondered where he had been the rest of the evening.
我想知道他那天晚上剩下的时间都去哪儿了。
And I really never got an answer to that.
我真的没有得到答案。
Even stranger was what he was doing in the driveway.
更奇怪的是他在车道上所做的事情。
He was repairing the side view mirror on his motor home.
他正在修理他的房车的侧视镜。
It had actually been broken off, and he was putting a whole new mirror on it.
它实际上已经被折断了，他正在上面放一面全新的镜子。
And he was just doing it in such a hurry and throwing parts into his vehicle, which I thought was strange.
他只是如此匆忙地将零件扔进他的车里，我觉得这很奇怪。
Why throw all the junk when you're 10 feet from a dumpster into the motor home?
当距离垃圾箱 10 英尺时，为什么要把所有垃圾扔进房车呢？
And he was in just such a hurry about it.
他实在是太着急了。
It just struck me odd for a minute.
一时间我感到很奇怪。
And the next thing I know he said, "Well, I am out of here." And he left.
接下来我知道他说：“好吧，我要离开这里了。”然后他就离开了。
And I didn't speak to him probably for several months to a year.
我可能有几个月到一年没有和他说话。
It wasn't just that Carla's was father was a drifter.
卡拉的父亲不仅仅是一个流浪者。
That makes him seem benign.
这让他看起来很友善。
He was, by Carla's recollection, a violent man.
据卡拉回忆，他是一个暴力的人。
Carla remembers once she was slurping while eating spaghetti, and he hurled the table on its side.
卡拉记得有一次她吃意大利面时发出咕噜咕噜的声音，他把桌子掀翻了。
But it was much worse than that.
但情况比那更糟糕。
When Carla turned 11, her mother told her that her father had molested a young girl.
当卡拉 11 岁时，她的母亲告诉她，她的父亲猥亵了一名年轻女孩。
Carla tried to protect others in the family, and that brought her into direct conflict with her dad.
卡拉试图保护家里的其他人，这让她与父亲发生了直接冲突。
Like one of the times he went after her mother.
就像有一次他去追她母亲。
I stepped into the middle of it, and he punched me in the jaw.
我走到中间，他一拳打在我的下巴上。
And I ended up in the emergency room later that evening.
那天晚上晚些时候我就被送进了急诊室。
And how old were you?
你当时几岁？
Carla Dimkoff Around 16.
卡拉·迪姆科夫 16 岁左右。
At that point, I became afraid physically of my father and emotionally of him.
那时，我在身体上开始害怕父亲，在情感上也开始害怕他。
And I was afraid to be alone with them after that.
从那以后我害怕单独和他们在一起。
This is all important to know in order to understand what happened next.
为了了解接下来发生的事情，了解这一点非常重要。
Shortly after Carla's dad drove out of town, Carla picked up The Times Indicator, their local newspaper, and read that on the very same night her dad didn't come home, just hours before she found him in the driveway fixing his busted side view mirror, a 19-year-old woman had been killed on a nearby road, a deep gash in her head.
卡拉的父亲开车出城后不久，卡拉拿起当地报纸《泰晤士报》，读到就在她父亲没有回家的同一天晚上，就在她发现父亲在车道上修理破损的后视镜的几个小时前，一名 19 岁的妇女在附近的道路上被杀，她的头部有一道深深的伤口。
In the article, the sheriff said, and I quote, "We assume she was hit by an unknown vehicle, maybe by a mirror or some projection."
警长在文章中说道（我引用一下）：“我们假设她是被一辆未知车辆撞到的，可能是被镜子或某种投影撞到的。”
I just thought, "Oh my God." I had an overwhelming feeling that my father had killed someone, and I just needed to tell what I knew.
我只是想：“天哪。”我有一种压倒性的感觉，我的父亲杀了人，我只需要告诉我所知道的。
At first, she went to her minister who urged her to go to the police, which she did the very next day.
起初，她去找了她的部长，部长敦促她去报警，她第二天就这么做了。
She had a friend drive her to the police station in town where she learned that the detective in charge of the case wasn't in.
她让一个朋友开车送她去镇上的警察局，在那里她得知负责此案的侦探不在。
So she left him a note.
于是她给他留了一张纸条。
This is the letter I wrote to Detective Foster.
这是我写给福斯特侦探的信。
And it says, "Mr. Foster, I would like to speak with you concerning the death of Kristy Ringler.
上面写着：“福斯特先生，我想和您谈谈克里斯蒂·林格勒之死的事情。
I do not have a car.
我没有车。
If you could possibly stop out to my house after 3:00 PM today, it would be greatly appreciated.
如果您今天下午 3:00 后能顺便来我家，我们将不胜感激。
Thank you, Mrs. [?
谢谢你，夫人[？
Terrel." ?]
特雷尔。” ？]
That evening, there were two detectives that actually came out.
那天晚上，真的有两个侦探出来了。
They were dressed in plain clothes.
他们穿着便衣。
They knocked on the door.
他们敲了敲门。
They came in.
他们进来了。
I told them the whole story about my dad had been here, he had been gone all night.
我告诉他们关于我父亲在这里的整个故事，他已经走了一整夜。
Gave them just a little bit of a history of my dad-- not a whole lot of history.
只给他们介绍了我父亲的一点点历史——而不是全部历史。
And they were like, "OK.
他们说：“好吧。
Well, we have this information.
嗯，我们有这些信息。
Thank you."
谢谢你。”
I had the feeling when they came in the door that they thought they were wasting their time.
当他们进门时，我有一种感觉，他们认为自己在浪费时间。
I don't even think they sat down.
我什至不认为他们坐下来。
They stood there just kind of towering over me.
他们站在那里，比我高出一截。
And I was clearly intimidated by the whole situation, not really ever dealing with anything like this.
我显然被整个情况吓到了，从来没有真正处理过这样的事情。
And maybe I just made myself sound unsure.
也许我只是让自己听起来不确定。
You see, Carla laid out two possible scenarios for the detectives.
你看，卡拉为侦探们列出了两种可能的场景。
One, that her father accidentally struck this girl while driving home from the Lamp Lite Bar.
一是她父亲从 Lamp Lite 酒吧开车回家时不小心撞到了这个女孩。
That seemed likely given his shattered side view mirror and his eagerness to get out of town.
考虑到他的后视镜破碎了，而且他急于离开城镇，这似乎很可能。
The other?
另一个？
Well, she thought it was possible that her father killed Kristy Ringler on purpose.
好吧，她认为她的父亲可能是故意杀死克里斯蒂·林格勒的。
That knowing her dad, maybe he tried to flirt with Kristy at the Lamp Lite, that maybe she'd repelled his advances, and that maybe on the way home he saw her on the road and rammed her with his side view mirror.
了解她的父亲，也许他试图在Lamp Lite与克里斯蒂调情，也许她拒绝了他的求爱，也许在回家的路上他在路上看到了她，并用后视镜撞了她。
Carla now believes, though, that this speculative scenario didn't sit too well with the detectives.
不过，卡拉现在认为，这种推测性的场景不太适合侦探们。
They made me feel like a fool, like I had a grudge to grind when I was trying to get my father in trouble or something.
他们让我感觉自己像个傻瓜，就像当我试图让我的父亲陷入麻烦或其他什么的时候，我有一种怨恨要磨灭。
And just this poor trailer park person.
还有这个可怜的拖车公园人。
And were you conscious about living in a trailer, about being poor?
你意识到住在拖车里、意识到自己很穷吗？
Very, very.
非常非常。
I knew that wasn't the thing to do.
我知道那不是该做的事。
I knew that's not where I wanted to be.
我知道那不是我想去的地方。
So the detectives leave, and you know in your heart of hearts that your dad was somehow involved in the death of this girl.
于是侦探们离开了，你内心深处知道你的父亲与这个女孩的死亡有某种关系。
What do you do with that knowledge?
你用这些知识做什么？
I bury it.
我把它埋了。
Alex Kotlowitz When she looks back on it, this was the moment of truth.
亚历克斯·科特洛维茨（Alex Kotlowitz）回想起来，这就是关键时刻。
This was her opportunity to act, and she feels like she just gave up without any kind of fight.
这是她表现的机会，她感觉自己没有任何挣扎就放弃了。
Carla ordinarily didn't back down easily, but she'd been dismissed often before.
卡拉通常不会轻易退缩，但她以前也经常被解雇。
In seventh grade, she went to a guidance counselor about her dad's alleged abuse, and all the counselor did was go tell her parents.
七年级时，她向辅导员咨询了她父亲涉嫌虐待的事情，而辅导员所做的只是告诉她的父母。
Then remember the time she ended up in the emergency room?
那还记得她被送进急诊室的那次吗？
Well, she told a doctor there that are father had punched her.
好吧，她告诉那里的医生，父亲打了她。
Nothing came of that either.
结果也没有任何结果。
So when the detectives disregarded what she had to say, it felt familiar, like this was how it was always going to be.
因此，当侦探们无视她所说的话时，感觉很熟悉，就像事情总是如此一样。
Her dad would elude any responsibility for what he'd done.
她的父亲不会为他所做的事承担任何责任。
She wasn't about to confront her father, who she feared would physically hurt her if she did.
她不打算面对她的父亲，她担心如果她这样做，父亲会伤害她。
And as for the authorities--
至于当局——
The thought never occurred to me to go back to the police.
我从来没有想过要回去警察局。
I didn't want to feel that feeling again of intimidation, of just being dismissed.
我不想再次感受到那种被恐吓、被解雇的感觉。
And that's really a selfish thought now that I think about it.
现在想来，这确实是一个自私的想法。
The thing was though, she couldn't keep it buried, at least emotionally.
但问题是，她不能把这件事埋藏起来，至少在情感上是这样。
She thought about it all the time-- that her father in all likelihood, accidentally or purposefully, had killed someone and that she hadn't done enough about it.
她一直在想——她的父亲很可能无意或有意地杀了人，而她对此做得还不够。
I had these horrible nightmares that this dead girl was walking down the street trying to chase after me.
我做了这些可怕的噩梦，梦见这个死去的女孩在街上走着试图追赶我。
Her body's all dismembered.
她的身体已经被肢解了。
And I got the feeling in my dream-- God, I sound like a nut-- that she was chasing me.
我在梦中感觉到——天哪，我听起来像个疯子——她在追我。
And I couldn't ever figure out, why are you chasing me?
我一直想不通，你为什么要追我？
There's been times where I could not think about it or I would be a wreck.
有时候我无法思考它，否则我就会崩溃。
Yeah, I can remember one time driving in the car and just thinking about my life in general and all the things I had going on.
是的，我记得有一次开车时，我在思考我的生活以及我所发生的所有事情。
And it always ends up with Kristy.
最后总是克里斯蒂。
And I often thought, "Oh, I could just stop thinking if I just hit that tree." Just tortured.
我常常想，“哦，如果我撞到那棵树，我就可以停止思考了。”简直就是折磨。
Taping this interview with Larry Pat Souter taking place in Newaygo County Sheriff's Department.
录制在纽韦戈县治安部门对拉里·帕特·苏特 (Larry Pat Souter) 的采访。
Present at this interview is Larry Pat Souter, Deputy John Sutton, and Detective Charles Foster.
出席本次采访的有拉里·帕特·苏特 (Larry Pat Souter)、警探约翰·萨顿 (John Sutton) 和侦探查尔斯·福斯特 (Charles Foster)。
Today's date is 8/27/79.
今天的日期是 79 年 8 月 27 日。
The time is 15:00.
时间是15:00。
Carla wasn't the only person damaged by Kristy Ringler's death.
卡拉并不是唯一因克里斯蒂·林格勒之死而受到伤害的人。
There was the Ringler family, of course.
当然，还有林格勒家族。
But there was also someone else, this 27-year-old truck driver named Larry Souter.
但还有另外一个人，这位 27 岁的卡车司机，名叫拉里·苏特 (Larry Souter)。
The tape you just heard is a taped police interview with Larry, a wiry built man with a charming smile who liked to party.
你刚刚听到的录音是警方对拉里的采访录音，拉里是一个身材魁梧、笑容迷人、喜欢聚会的男人。
And while he didn't live in White Cloud, the night of Ringler's death he had been visiting a friend there.
虽然他不住在白云，但林格勒去世的那天晚上，他一直在那里拜访一位朋友。
I don't think we drank at his house, if I remember correctly.
如果我没记错的话，我想我们没有在他家喝酒。
But we went down to what they call the Lamp Lite Bar, which would have been south of town.
但我们去了他们所谓的 Lamp Lite 酒吧，那儿应该在城镇的南部。
And we'd sat there and drank maybe three hours in the bar.
我们坐在那里，在酒吧里喝了大约三个小时。
Larry met a woman at the Lamp Lite.
拉里在 Lamp Lite 遇见了一位女士。
It was Kristy Ringler.
这是克里斯蒂·林格勒。
They caught each other's eye, and when Larry and his friend went to party down the road, there was Kristy as well.
他们互相吸引了目光，当拉里和他的朋友去路上参加派对时，克里斯蒂也在场。
When you got to the house, what happened?
当你到家时，发生了什么？
When we got the house I went in.
当我们拿到房子后，我就进去了。
Joe went in.
乔进去了。
And I think I sat around for about 15 minutes.
我想我坐了大约 15 分钟。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE].
[无法理解]。
She was all of a sudden on the front steps, and I went out and sat on the front steps.
她突然站在前面的台阶上，我出去坐在前面的台阶上。
When I went out into the front of yard there was a tree out there.
当我走到院子前面时，外面有一棵树。
Kinda sitting set up by the tree and stuff and kind of kissing a little bit and this and that.
有点坐在树边之类的东西，有点接吻等等。
And then she got up.
然后她站了起来。
And she walked off and started walking towards town, which would be back north towards White Cloud.
她走开，开始朝小镇走去，小镇将回到北面的白云。
Larry, who had a good deal to drink, says he offered to try to find her a ride.
拉里喝了很多酒，他说他主动提出想载她一程。
But she insisted she'd be all right.
但她坚持说她会没事的。
The last time Larry saw her, she was walking down the dark, two-lane road by herself.
拉里最后一次见到她时，她正独自走在黑暗的两车道路上。
Two days after Ringler's death, the police asked Larry come down to the station for this questioning.
林格勒死后两天，警方要求拉里到警察局接受讯问。
The interview lasted an hour and 15 minutes.
采访持续了1小时15分钟。
Larry didn't bring a lawyer.
拉里没有带律师。
He didn't feel he had anything to hide.
他不觉得自己有什么可隐瞒的。
I've got nothing to hide.
我没什么可隐瞒的。
Detective All right, this tape's going to be terminated at 16:15 on 8/27/79.
侦探 好吧，这盘磁带将于 79 年 8 月 27 日 16:15 终止。
And I don't think I heard anything from them for probably 12 and 1/2 years.
我想我大概有 12 又 1/2 年没有收到他们的任何消息了。
Larry returned to his life, driving a truck and laying gas pipes.
拉里又回到了自己的生活，开着卡车，铺设煤气管道。
He got married to a woman named Melody, and they thought about starting a family together.
他与一位名叫梅洛迪的女人结婚了，他们考虑一起组建一个家庭。
Then one day--
然后有一天——
One day I went to work-- which was November 14.
有一天，我去上班——那是 11 月 14 日。
And it's easy to remember because it was the day before deer season.
这很容易记住，因为那是鹿季节的前一天。
And they came to work and they that you're under arrest for an open murder.
他们来上班后发现你因公开谋杀而被捕。
I think that's what it was.
我想就是这样。
Did you know what they were talking about?
你知道他们在说什么吗？
I had no clue.
我不知道。
Alex Kotlowitz This was in 1992-- like Larry said, 12 and 1/2 years after Kristy Ringler's death.
Alex Kotlowitz 这是 1992 年——就像拉里说的，克里斯蒂·林格勒去世 12 又 1/2 年之后。
A new sheriff had reopened the case, and it quickly got a lot of publicity.
新任警长重新审理此案，很快引起了广泛关注。
Larry, who's quiet and reserved, felt deeply embarrassed.
沉默寡言、内向的拉里感到非常尴尬。
My name was in the paper.
我的名字出现在报纸上。
My face was in the paper.
我的脸出现在报纸上。
It's like, "Oh, my God." I mean, this is humiliation.
就像，“哦，我的上帝。”我的意思是，这是羞辱。
No, sir.
不，先生。
Alex Kotlowitz But Larry assumed that justice would just find its way.
亚历克斯·科特洛维茨 但拉里认为正义总会找到出路。
This is Melody, his wife.
这是梅洛迪，他的妻子。
They offered him a plea bargain for two to five years if he would admit he did it.
如果他承认自己干了这件事，他们就向他提出了两到五年的认罪协议。
And he refused to because he didn't.
但他拒绝了，因为他没有。
We were there together.
我们一起在那里。
Alex Kotlowitz What did you tell him?
亚历克斯·科特洛维茨 你告诉他什么了？
I told him, "You can't plead guilty to something you didn't do."
我告诉他：“你不能为你没有做过的事情认罪。”
The prosecutors argued that Larry had bludgeoned Kristy Ringler with a pint-sized bottle of Canadian club whiskey.
检察官辩称，拉里用一品脱瓶加拿大俱乐部威士忌殴打了克里斯蒂·林格勒。
Their key piece of evidence was the testimony by pathologists that the bottom ridge of the bottle matched Ringler's injuries.
他们的关键证据是病理学家的证词，即瓶子的底部脊与林格勒的伤痕相符。
At the trial, no mention was made of Carla's note and her subsequent interview with the detectives.
在审判中，没有提及卡拉的笔记以及她随后与侦探的面谈。
The Souters believe the prosecution buried it.
苏特夫妇相信检方埋葬了它。
Larry was convicted and sentenced to 20 to 60 years.
拉里被定罪并被判处 20 至 60 年徒刑。
My world just came right out from underneath me, in total shock.
我的世界突然从我的脚下跳了出来，我完全震惊了。
It was a nightmare, a straight up nightmare.
这是一场噩梦，一场彻头彻尾的噩梦。
There is, I suspect, nothing more confounding and debilitating than being sent to prison for something you didn't do.
我怀疑，没有什么比因为你没有做过的事情而被送进监狱更令人困惑和虚弱的了。
And the years behind bars had their effect on Larry as well as on his wife, Melody.
监狱里的岁月对拉里和他的妻子梅洛迪产生了影响。
Melody had a car accident after visiting Larry in prison and lost her factory job.
梅洛迪在探望监狱里的拉里后遭遇车祸，失去了工厂的工作。
She had to move back home with their parents where she spent most of her time going over and over trial transcripts and police reports.
她不得不搬回父母身边，她大部分时间都花在翻阅审判记录和警方报告上。
She gave up the idea of ever having children.
她放弃了生孩子的念头。
I had a hysterectomy while he was in prison.
他在监狱期间我做了子宫切除术。
So you gave that up as well?
所以你也放弃了？
Melody Souter Yep.
梅洛迪·苏特 是的。
And in the years Larry was in prison, he struggled to sustain himself, too.
在拉里入狱的那些年里，他也一直在努力维持自己的生计。
One of the ways he did that was to build these meticulously constructed Western scenes out of toothpicks-- log cabins, churches, saloons, covered bridges.
他这样做的方法之一就是用牙签建造这些精心构建的西方场景——小木屋、教堂、酒吧、廊桥。
He trimmed the toothpicks-- sometimes 2,500 of them for one model-- with a nail clipper so that they fit together with glue like cut logs.
他用指甲刀修剪牙签（有时一个型号需要 2,500 根牙签），使它们像切好的原木一样用胶水粘在一起。
The hours upon hours spent constructing them helped keep his mind off his case.
花上几个小时来构建它们有助于他将注意力从他的案子上转移开。
But over the years, Alex, I'll tell you what, yes, I was very, very bitter in there.
但这些年来，亚历克斯，我会告诉你，是的，我在那里非常非常痛苦。
But I'd just try to say to myself, just let it go.
但我只是想对自己说，放手吧。
Take one day at a time.
一次服用一天。
Larry and Melody believed there had to be someone out there with some knowledge about what happened that night.
拉里和梅洛迪相信一定有人对那天晚上发生的事情有所了解。
And so Melody, along with Larry's sister, searched and searched and searched.
于是梅洛迪和拉里的妹妹一起寻找、寻找、再寻找。
We made trips to look for people.
我们四处寻找人。
We went to Newaygo County when people told us we were crazy.
当人们告诉我们我们疯了时，我们去了纽韦戈县。
We could get killed.
我们可能会被杀。
And we interviewed people, we talked to people, we did everything we could to try to find out what really happened to this girl.
我们采访了人们，与人们交谈，我们竭尽全力试图找出这个女孩到底发生了什么。
Of course, the person they were looking for was Carla.
当然，他们要找的人就是卡拉。
But they didn't know she even existed.
但他们根本不知道她的存在。
And Carla was completely unaware of them as well.
而卡拉也完全不知道他们。
In the 26 years since Kristy Ringerl's death, Carla had gotten divorced and remarried to a college professor.
克里斯蒂·林格尔去世 26 年后，卡拉离婚并与一位大学教授再婚。
She now lived a comfortable life outside Grand Rapids in a spacious A-frame home on five acres of land.
现在，她住在大急流城郊外一栋占地五英亩的宽敞 A 形房屋中，过着舒适的生活。
Her father had died in 1999, and all she could think about afterwards was he'd gotten away with it completely.
她的父亲于1999年去世，事后她只能想到他完全逃脱了惩罚。
And that tore at her.
这让她心碎。
And then one day in January of last year, she picked up a newspaper and read for the very first time about Larry Souter.
去年一月的一天，她拿起一份报纸，第一次读到有关拉里·苏特的报道。
Melody, Larry's wife, had convinced John Smietanka, former prosecutor, to take Larry's case.
拉里的妻子梅洛迪说服前检察官约翰·斯米坦卡接手拉里的案子。
A medical examiner, who had testified at Larry's trial, now believed it was unlikely Ringler's wounds were caused by a whiskey bottle.
一名在拉里的审判中作证的法医现在认为林勒的伤口不太可能是由威士忌酒瓶造成的。
I was sitting in here in this living room, and my husband was in the TV room.
我坐在客厅里，我丈夫在电视房里。
And I read this article about Kristy Ringler.
我读了这篇关于克里斯蒂·林格勒的文章。
And I'm like, "Oh, my God.
我就像，“哦，天哪。
Someone has been convicted of this." I'm telling you, I literally just about fell on the floor.
有人因此被定罪。”我告诉你，我真的差点摔倒在地板上。
At that moment, it hit Carla because she had held onto this knowledge about her father's probable involvement in Kristy Ringler's death, someone had been sent to prison.
在那一刻，卡拉受到了打击，因为她知道她的父亲可能参与了克里斯蒂·林格勒的死亡，有人被送进了监狱。
The very next morning she called Larry's lawyer and spoke with his associate.
第二天早上，她打电话给拉里的律师并与他的同事交谈。
I said to her, "You might think I'm a crazy woman or something because I'm sure you don't get these phone calls all the time.
我对她说：“你可能会认为我是个疯女人什么的，因为我确信你不会一直接到这些电话。
But I know this Larry Souter story that you're working on, and I reported that my dad killed that girl."
但我知道你正在研究的拉里·苏特的故事，我报道说我爸爸杀了那个女孩。”
They did, in fact, worry she might be a crazy person.
事实上，他们确实担心她可能是个疯子。
No one had ever seen anything from the police indicating that they'd interviewed Carla.
没有人从警方那里看到任何表明他们采访过卡拉的信息。
So the attorneys quickly filed a Freedom of Information Act request, and in a stack of police reports they received, they found the very note that Carla had left for Detective Foster as well as half a page of nearly indecipherable notes the detectives took from an apparent phone interview with her father.
因此，律师们很快提出了《信息自由法》的请求，在他们收到的一堆警方报告中，他们找到了卡拉留给福斯特警探的那张纸条，以及半页几乎难以辨认的笔记，这些笔记是侦探们从显然是与她父亲进行的电话采访中记录下来的。
One thing led to another, and within two months, Larry Souter got word that the authorities finally believed him.
一件事接一件事，两个月后，拉里·苏特得到消息称当局终于相信了他。
His conviction was vacated.
他的定罪被撤销。
And after 13 years and 18 days in prison, on April 1 of last year he walked out a free man.
在入狱 13 年零 18 天后，他于去年 4 月 1 日重获自由。
Carla at first asked the attorneys to keep her identity hidden, though that was impossible because it was such a public case.
卡拉起初要求律师隐藏她的身份，尽管这是不可能的，因为这是一个公开案件。
Mostly, she felt she completely failed this man, this stranger, Larry Souter.
最重要的是，她觉得自己完全辜负了这个男人，这个陌生人，拉里·苏特。
About two months after being released from prison, Larry told his lawyer that he wanted to meet Carla.
出狱大约两个月后，拉里告诉他的律师，他想见见卡拉。
So they agree to have lunch at a local Applebee's, and Carla prepared herself for Larry's fury.
于是他们同意在当地的 Applebee's 餐厅吃午餐，卡拉做好了应对拉里愤怒的准备。
My husband literally had to help me out of car I was trembling so much.
我丈夫不得不扶我下车，我浑身发抖。
And I knew who he was right away when he walked in.
当他走进来时我立刻就知道他是谁了。
And we just both kind of collapsed in tears.
我们俩都泪流满面。
I wasn't sure why he was crying, but I was just so overwhelmed with guilt that I could hardly look at him.
我不知道他为什么哭，但我实在太愧疚了，几乎不敢看他。
On a recent afternoon, Larry came by to see Carla.
最近的一个下午，拉里来看望卡拉。
Somewhat surprisingly, they've become friends.
有点令人惊讶的是，他们成了朋友。
And in an odd twist of fate, they're both battling cancer and have helped each other out during their respective treatments.
命运的奇妙转折，他们都在与癌症作斗争，并在各自的治疗过程中互相帮助。
On this rainy afternoon, the two stood in the kitchen in a tight embrace.
在这个下雨的下午，两人站在厨房里紧紧相拥。
And as they held each other, Carla became overwhelmed with guilt and began to cry.
当他们拥抱在一起时，卡拉陷入了愧疚之中，开始哭泣。
It's gonna be all right.
一切都会好起来的。
Carla Dimkoff I'm sorry.
卡拉·迪姆科夫 对不起。
Sorry.
抱歉。
I'm so sorry.
我很抱歉。
Carla can't help herself.
卡拉无法自拔。
Whenever she sees Larry, she breaks down and apologizes.
每当她看到拉里，她就会崩溃并道歉。
There was even a period of two months when Carla wouldn't return Larry's phone calls.
甚至有两个月的时间卡拉不回拉里的电话。
Because you can only apologize so many times, and I felt the need to do it all the time.
因为你只能道歉这么多次，而我一直觉得有必要这样做。
It just seems like you're awfully hard on yourself.
看来你对自己太苛刻了。
You've righted something, you gave somebody his freedom.
你纠正了一些事情，你给了某人自由。
I didn't give Larry his freedom.
我没有给拉里自由。
What he didn't do gave him his freedom.
他没有做的事给了他自由。
If I was going to give him his freedom, I would have given it to him 13 years ago.
如果我要给他自由，我会在 13 年前就给他。
And I didn't do that, and that's where I failed.
但我没有这么做，这就是我失败的地方。
But I think you're being so hard on yourself.
但我觉得你对自己太苛刻了。
You didn't know he was there.
你不知道他在那里。
No, but I knew what the right thing at the moment was.
不，但我知道目前正确的事情是什么。
In my heart of hearts I knew what was happening, and I just let it go.
在我内心深处，我知道发生了什么，但我就让它过去了。
And I don't understand a person that can do that.
我不明白一个人能做到这一点。
Here's the strange thing about all this.
这就是这一切的奇怪之处。
In certain ways, all of this has been harder for Carla to handle than for Larry.
在某些方面，所有这些对卡拉来说比拉里更难处理。
Sometimes you happen upon a moment.
有时你会碰巧遇到一个时刻。
You'll witness something on the street.
你会在街上看到一些东西。
Let's say a man's threatening a woman or a parent's hitting a child, and the fate of a complete stranger rests on how you handle things.
假设一个男人威胁一个女人，或者一个父母打孩子，而一个完全陌生的人的命运取决于你如何处理事情。
And you feel powerless to do anything.
而你却感到无能为力。
So you turn your head.
于是你转过头。
You walk away.
你走开。
Or as in Carla's case, you try to do something but not forcefully enough.
或者就像卡拉的例子一样，你尝试做某事，但力度不够。
And then you resume your life though those moments stay with you.
然后你就恢复了你的生活，尽管那些时刻会一直伴随着你。
Well, imagine if you got a second chance.
好吧，想象一下如果你有第二次机会。
Carla did, and she paid a price for getting a second shot at it.
卡拉做到了，她为第二次尝试付出了代价。
Now she's even more tormented because it really has sunk in, the kind of power she held 26 years earlier.
现在她更加痛苦，因为她真的已经融入了 26 年前她所拥有的那种权力。
And so she feels ashamed.
所以她感到羞耻。
Larry, though, sees it all quite differently.
然而，拉里却有着截然不同的看法。
She's my angel.
她是我的天使。
Carla Dimkoff That's what he calls me, his angel.
Carla Dimkoff 他就是这样称呼我的，他的天使。
Matter of fact, he brought me a gift a couple weeks ago.
事实上，几周前他给我带来了一份礼物。
It's a lawn ornament, and it has--
这是一个草坪装饰品，它有——
Couple angels on it.
上面有一对天使。
Carla Dimkoff Couple angels on it.
Carla Dimkoff 上面有一对天使。
And it lights up at night.
而且它在晚上会亮起。
I want you to know I go out in the middle of the night when I can't sleep, and I look at it.
我想让你知道，我会在半夜睡不着的时候出去，然后我就会看它。
While Carla spends sleepless nights staring at her angels, remembering the past, Larry's trying to forget.
当卡拉整夜不眠地盯着她的天使，回忆着过去时，拉里却试图忘记。
Right after he got released, he and Melody built a bonfire to burn all the clothes and letters associated with his time in prison.
出狱后，他和梅洛迪生了一堆篝火，烧掉了所有与他在监狱里有关的衣服和信件。
Not long ago as a gift, Larry gave one of his toothpick constructions to Carla.
不久前，拉里把他的一个牙签结构作为礼物送给了卡拉。
She has it displayed in her living room.
她把它展示在她的客厅里。
It's a log cabin with a chimney, built with pebbles Larry collected from the prison yard.
这是一间带烟囱的小木屋，是用拉里从监狱院子里收集的鹅卵石建造的。
This, of course, is what Larry did to forget.
当然，拉里就是为了忘记这一点。
But now Carla has it as a constant reminder.
但现在卡拉把它作为一个不断的提醒。
Alex Kotlowitz is the author of several books, most recently, Never a City So Real.
亚历克斯·科特洛维茨 (Alex Kotlowitz) 是多本书的作者，最近出版了《Never a City So Real》。
We first broadcast this story two years ago.
我们两年前首次播出这个故事。
Coming up, a family wishes for years for the power to defend themselves against a dangerous neighbor.
接下来，一个家庭多年来一直希望获得保护自己免受危险邻居侵害的能力。
And then they get it.
然后他们就明白了。
And they have to decide if they want to use that power.
他们必须决定是否要使用这种权力。
Back in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
稍后我们的节目将继续，从芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台回来。
This American Life.
这美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
If you're new to this program, of course, we choose a theme, ranging from a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
如果您是这个节目的新手，当然，我们会选择一个主题，包括有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's show, "With Great Power," stories about ordinary people who find themselves with these superheroes' dilemmas.
今天的节目《强大的力量》讲述了普通人发现自己面临超级英雄困境的故事。
With great power comes great responsibility.
权力越大，责任越大。
We've arrived at Act Two of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, Unwelcome Wagon.
第二幕，不受欢迎的马车。
There's a kind of a power that only means something if you don't use it.
有一种力量只有在不使用时才有意义。
Like for example, threatening to use a nuclear weapon.
例如，威胁使用核武器。
This story's about something like that.
这个故事就是关于类似的事情。
Except instead of taking place in the desolate borders of rival nations who hate to fear each other, it occurs entirely in a quiet street in the suburbs between next-door neighbors.
除了不是发生在彼此厌恶的敌对国家的荒凉边境之外，它完全发生在邻国之间郊区的一条安静的街道上。
We've changed the names of everybody you're going to hear from in the story.
我们更改了故事中您将听到的每个人的名字。
As we go along you'll see why.
当我们继续进行时，您就会明白原因。
It begins years ago with a woman, who we're going to call Betty, and her husband when they decided to move from the inner city to a quiet, suburban neighborhood.
故事始于几年前，一位女士（我们称之为贝蒂）和她的丈夫决定从市中心搬到安静的郊区。
Their kids were young.
他们的孩子还很小。
At first it was great.
起初它很棒。
But then their next-door neighbor decided he was going to build a fence on what he thought was the property line.
但后来他们的隔壁邻居决定在他认为是地产的地方建一道栅栏。
And he kept saying, "I know where the property line is.
他一直说：“我知道地产界线在哪里。
I've lived here 12 years, and I'm putting my fence on it." And my husband said, "Well, we should get a survey because our deed doesn't show it there."
我已经在这里住了 12 年了，我正在把栅栏放在上面。”我丈夫说，“好吧，我们应该进行一项调查，因为我们的房产证上没有显示这一点。”
So we asked him to do a survey, and he refused.
所以我们请他做一个调查，他拒绝了。
Here's Betty's daughter, who's now all grown up, who we'll call Julia.
这是贝蒂的女儿，她现在已经长大了，我们称之为朱莉娅。
Of all things, the survey gave even more land to the neighbor than he thought he had, which you would think would have made him happy.
最重要的是，调查给邻居提供的土地比他想象的还要多，你会认为这会让他高兴。
But in fact, Betty and Julia say, it just made him mad because he had not waited for the survey to start building this fence.
但事实上，贝蒂和朱莉娅说，这让他很生气，因为他没有等到调查就开始修建围栏。
And now, thanks to the survey that he had not wanted, his yard was actually bigger.
而现在，多亏了他不想要的调查，他的院子实际上更大了。
And he had to move the fence.
他不得不移动栅栏。
He was very angry.
他很生气。
And he was going to sue us because he said we made him put his fence in the wrong place.
他打算起诉我们，因为他说我们让他把栅栏放在了错误的地方。
It all started from that.
一切都是从那开始的。
And so how much of this fight was actually about the property and how much was it that he just didn't like the look of you?
那么这场争吵有多少是因为财产问题，又有多少是因为他不喜欢你的长相？
I'm guessing about 10% about the property, 90% didn't like us.
我猜大约 10% 的人对这处房产有兴趣，90% 的人不喜欢我们。
The word that they used often about us-- and he very often-- was, "You people ain't from here." We were just different, I guess, than--
他们经常用的关于我们的词——他也经常用——是，“你们不是这里人。”我想我们只是不同——
We were liberals.
我们是自由主义者。
Betty We looked different.
贝蒂 我们看起来不一样。
We acted different.
我们表现得不同。
After that, things started happening.
之后，事情开始发生。
And they started small.
他们从小事做起。
One day Betty was on the phone, and she looked out the window towards the neighbor's yard.
有一天，贝蒂正在打电话，她看着窗外邻居的院子。
Each of the two houses had a long driveway coming back from the road, and the two driveways were nearly side by side.
两栋房子各有一条从马路回来的长长的车道，而且两条车道几乎是并排的。
The neighbor's truck was in his driveway near the two houses.
邻居的卡车停在两栋房子附近的车道上。
I could see cigarettes being relit out in his vehicle, and I realized that he sat in his vehicle and watched us.
我可以看到他车里的香烟被重新点燃，我意识到他坐在车里看着我们。
So he watched us for hours into our living room, which had these big picture windows.
所以他在客厅里观察了我们好几个小时，客厅里有大落地窗。
And I can't think of anything more boring than watching us, but he did.
我想不出还有什么比看着我们更无聊的事情了，但他做到了。
That was the beginning.
这就是开始。
Ira Glass Wait, so he would just sit there for hours.
Ira Glass 等等，所以他会坐在那里几个小时。
You guys are like, coming in and out of the family room with a bowl of popcorn.
你们就像带着一碗爆米花进出家庭活动室一样。
You sit in front of the TV, and you're like, that's what he--
你坐在电视机前，你会想，这就是他——
And we didn't go to anybody, because he can sit out in his truck if he wants to.
我们没有去找任何人，因为如果他愿意的话，他可以坐在他的卡车里。
It's a little strange.
有点奇怪。
At first they figured he would just lose interest and stop.
起初他们以为他会失去兴趣并停止。
But he didn't stop.
但他没有停下来。
Other things started happening.
其他事情开始发生。
They got crank calls.
他们接到了骚扰电话。
For a while, every time they sat down to dinner they got a call.
有一段时间，每次他们坐下来吃晚饭时，都会接到电话。
Their license plate disappeared.
他们的车牌消失了。
The lights outside their house were shot out with a BB gun.
他们家外面的灯被BB枪射灭了。
They called the cops, only to be told that if they wanted to go to case, they needed to capture the crimes on videotape, which they tried to do.
他们报了警，却被告知如果他们想办案，就需要用录像带捕捉犯罪行为，他们也尝试这样做。
And more interesting than anything else, every time they left the house it seemed like the neighbor was waiting for them.
更有趣的是，每次他们离开家时，邻居似乎都在等着他们。
We could not go outside without some interaction, without him yelling or insulting us in some way.
如果没有一些互动，他就不会以某种方式大喊大叫或侮辱我们，我们就无法出去。
And what would he yell?
他会喊什么？
Betty Oh, well, to me, it was always the same.
贝蒂 哦，好吧，对我来说，一切都是一样的。
OK, wait just a minute.
好的，请稍等。
Stop the tape right there.
把磁带停在那里。
A real quick warning to listeners, a nice Southern lady is about to get a little salty.
向听众发出一个真正的快速警告，一位善良的南方女士即将变得有点咸。
Oh, well, to me it was always the same.
哦，好吧，对我来说总是一样的。
"Get your ugly old ass out here.
“把你那丑陋的老屁股滚出去。
You ugly old bitch.
你这个丑陋的老母狗。
You old bitch shouldn't be on this earth." To my husband it would be, "You ain't no man.
你这个老婊子不应该出现在这个地球上。”对我丈夫来说，那就是，“你不是一个男人。
There's nothing to you.
跟你没什么关系了
You're worthless.
你一文不值。
You let your wife wear the pants in the family."
你让你的妻子在家里说了算。”
And he sat there with popcorn, watching us and mocking us and saying, "All y'all are putting on a big show.
他拿着爆米花坐在那儿，看着我们，嘲笑我们，说：“你们都在上演一场盛大的表演。
Y'all want some popcorn?" And offered it to my dad.
你们想要一些爆米花吗？”然后把它递给了我爸爸。
Just going into the garage, maybe to get a bike or to get some old furniture out from storage.
只是去车库，也许是去买一辆自行车，或者从仓库里拿出一些旧家具。
It's such a commitment to messing with you.
这是一种与你交往的承诺。
Yes, it was his life.
是的，这就是他的生活。
Ira Glass One morning they woke up to find this neighborly greeting-- the words bitch and whore literally carved into the lawn in giant block letters.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 一天早上，他们醒来后发现了这种友善的问候语——“婊子”和“妓女”这两个词用巨大的正楷字刻在草坪上。
One set was up by the house, the other set, down by the curb.
一套在房子旁边，另一套在路边。
And they were done with some type of very strong weed killer.
他们使用了某种非常强的除草剂。
That would last year.
那是去年的事了。
Betty Yeah, we would either have to have them dug out and dig down like two feet or they were going to be there for a year.
贝蒂 是的，我们要么必须把它们挖出来，挖到两英尺深，要么它们会在那里呆一年。
They were there for a year.
他们在那里待了一年。
And so people would drive by your house for a year, and the word whore would be down on the lawn?
所以人们会在你家门口开车一整年，而“妓女”这个词就会出现在草坪上？
The bus would pick me up for school in eighth grade, and it would be there.
八年级时，公共汽车会接我去学校，它就会在那里。
No one would say anything, though.
但没有人会说什么。
There was also a picture we interpreted to be a dog doing an obscene act with a woman.
还有一张我们认为是一只狗对一名女性做出猥亵行为的照片。
With the weed killer, yes.
有了除草剂，是的。
Ira Glass A dog and a woman?
艾拉·格拉斯 一条狗和一个女人？
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
It was good enough that neighbors knew what it was.
邻居知道那是什么就足够了。
And did you have the feeling that the entire neighborhood was against you?
你有没有感觉整个社区都在反对你？
I don't know that I would go so far to say they sided with him, but more the feeling that "You've stirred up something in the neighborhood that we didn't want stirred up."
我不知道我会走到这一步说他们站在他一边，但更多的感觉是“你在附近激起了我们不想激起的一些事情。”
That we set him off somehow, and that it was our fault.
我们不知何故惹恼了他，这是我们的错。
They have other stories.
他们还有其他的故事。
The neighbor would play chicken with their car.
邻居会和他们的车玩捉鸡游戏。
He'd point his headlights into their house for hours, flash them on and off.
他会把头灯对着他们的房子，一连几个小时，一闪一闪。
When they went away on vacation, he would drive onto their lawn, spin the tires.
当他们去度假时，他会把车开到他们的草坪上，转动轮胎。
When Julia's little brother went out on his bike, the neighbor would get on a bike himself sometimes and circle the little brother, lunge at him so he'd fall off.
当朱莉娅的弟弟骑自行车出去时，邻居有时会自己骑上自行车，围住弟弟，猛冲他，让他摔倒。
He was only eight.
他只有八岁。
It was strange, they say, to feel that somebody hated them so much.
他们说，感觉有人如此恨他们，这很奇怪。
At some point, he started going after your pets?
在某个时候，他开始追捕你的宠物？
Yeah.
是的。
Betty This was a very emotional thing for me.
贝蒂 这对我来说是一件非常感人的事情。
We didn't tell Julia about it until this past year.
直到去年我们才告诉朱莉娅这件事。
Not all the details.
不是所有的细节。
I was an animal lover as a kid.
我小时候是一个动物爱好者。
She was.
她是。
Julia I always took home the cat on the side of the road.
朱莉娅 我总是把路边的猫带回家。
And I had a little black cat named Phoenix, and he killed it.
我有一只小黑猫，名叫菲尼克斯，他杀了它。
He killed it?
他杀了它？
Betty One day we found Phoenix beside the fence, but just pushed through the bottom of the fence on our property.
贝蒂 有一天，我们在栅栏旁边发现了菲尼克斯，但她只是从我们家的栅栏底部推了过去。
And if you looked across his driveway at the end of this house, there was a big metal baseball bat leaning against the house.
如果你穿过房子尽头的车道，你会发现有一根巨大的金属棒球棒靠在房子上。
Well, by that time we had attorneys.
好吧，那时我们已经有了律师。
And they said, "Take the cat and have it autopsied." And we did, and it had been killed by two blows to it.
他们说：“把猫带去尸检。”我们做到了，它被两次击打而死了。
But that was a part of him.
但这是他的一部分。
He not only killed the cat, but he wanted you to know how he did it.
他不仅杀了猫，还想让你知道他是怎么做到的。
And by leaving the bat, we knew what happened.
通过离开蝙蝠，我们知道发生了什么。
He had left it out by the driveway for me to find while I waited for the school bus, but it was a snow day that day.
他把它放在车道上，让我在等校车时找到，但那天是下雪天。
So my parents were the ones who found it.
所以我的父母是发现它的人。
And so did you not find out about it for years later?
那么你不是多年以后才发现的吗？
I just knew he died.
我只知道他死了。
Betty We just couldn't tell her.
贝蒂：我们只是不能告诉她。
They thought about moving.
他们考虑搬家。
They even put their house on the market after the words bitch and whore had grown back in the lawn, of course.
当然，在“婊子”和“妓女”这两个词重新出现在草坪上之后，他们甚至把自己的房子挂牌出售。
But the economy wasn't so great.
但经济并没有那么好。
The house didn't sell.
房子没卖。
So they stayed, vowing not to let the neighbor get to them.
于是他们留下来，发誓不会让邻居接近他们。
This wasn't easy.
这并不容易。
By now they were in the middle of basically an all-out war.
到目前为止，他们基本上已经处于一场全面战争之中。
There were restraining orders and counter-restraining orders and court charges and counter charges.
有限制令和反限制令以及法庭指控和反指控。
By this time, both sides are videotaping each other, Betty and her husband trying over and over to get some proof that would finally incriminate the neighbor and stop him and never getting it.
此时，双方都在互相录像，贝蒂和她的丈夫一遍又一遍地试图找到一些证据，最终将邻居定罪并阻止他，但始终没有得到。
So that's how it went for over two years.
就这样，两年多的时间就这样过去了。
And then, a fateful pile of garbage dumped onto their lawn, a pile of garbage that was actually able to change the balance of power, giving Julia and Betty and their family both great power and great responsibility.
然后，一堆致命的垃圾被倾倒在他们的草坪上，这堆垃圾实际上能够改变权力平衡，给朱莉娅和贝蒂以及他们的家人带来了巨大的权力和巨大的责任。
The neighbor had thrown trash on their property before.
邻居之前曾在他们的房产上扔过垃圾。
Mostly little things-- cans, cigarette butts-- nothing interesting, nothing useful.
大部分都是小东西——罐头、烟头——没什么有趣的，也没什么用处。
But one day we went out, and there was a whole lot of stuff.
但有一天我们出去，发现有一大堆东西。
It was papers, letters, bank statements, a mortgage.
那是文件、信件、银行对账单、抵押贷款。
They had everything about them.
他们拥有关于他们的一切。
That series of numbers that makes us the person we are in America.
这一系列数字使我们成为美国的我们。
His social security number, yes.
他的社会安全号码，是的。
He and his wife's.
他和他妻子的。
I always suspected it was maybe the wife got mad at him or one of the daughters, because they were adult, young women.
我一直怀疑妻子可能生他或其中一个女儿的气，因为她们都是成年的年轻女性。
And actually in that pile of stuff were letters from the daughters saying, "Oh, Mom, Daddy's terrible and you're good." And personal things as well as business-type things.
事实上，在那堆东西里有女儿们的来信，上面写着：“哦，妈妈，爸爸很糟糕，但你很好。”以及个人的事情以及商业类型的事情。
You photocopied a few of these and sent them to us.
您复印了其中一些并发送给我们。
That's them, I have them here.
就是他们，我这里有他们。
They are so unbelievably personal you feel embarrassed to read them.
它们是如此令人难以置信的私人化，你读起来会感到尴尬。
You do, you do.
你做，你做。
Ira Glass One of them starts with a sort of caveat, "I hope you never read this letter because if you do, it means that things are just very bad between us." And another one, one of the daughters sort of says, "Well, I'm writing this letter while you and Dad are fighting over some silly stuff." And it's so heartbreaking.
Ira Glass 其中一封以某种警告开头，“我希望你永远不要读这封信，因为如果你读了，那就意味着我们之间的事情非常糟糕。”另一位女儿则说：“好吧，当你和爸爸为一些愚蠢的事情争吵时，我正在写这封信。”这真是令人心碎。
It is.
是的。
He was so mean, and that showed what his family thought of him, how he had raised them to be, what his wife thought of him.
他是如此刻薄，这表明了他的家人对他的看法，他如何养育他们，以及他的妻子对他的看法。
We were a family that loved each other.
我们是一个彼此相爱的家庭。
We had dinner together, and we still laughed and had fun.
我们一起吃了晚饭，仍然有说有笑，玩得很开心。
So suddenly, you guys had his social security number and all these bank numbers and all that.
突然之间，你们就知道了他的社会安全号码和所有这些银行号码等等。
And you saved it?
你保存了它吗？
Yes, we have.
是的，我们有。
Julia We have a briefcase, and it's our little treasure chest.
朱莉娅 我们有一个公文包，它是我们的小宝箱。
So really, suddenly you had a tremendous leverage over him.
真的，突然间你对他有了巨大的影响力。
You can really do some damage.
你确实可以造成一些伤害。
Right.
对。
Ira Glass Did you think about it?
艾拉·格拉斯 你想过吗？
Oh, yes.
哦，是的。
We talked about it.
我们讨论过。
Ira Glass What did you think about doing?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）你想过做什么？
Oh, closing up his business and bank account.
哦，关闭他的生意和银行账户。
And posting all his information in some truck stop or in many truck stops across the Southeast so that somebody could steal it.
并将他的所有信息发布在东南部的某个卡车停靠站或许多卡车停靠站，以便有人可以窃取。
Just like posting his social security number.
就像发布他的社会安全号码一样。
Right.
对。
Betty Yeah, making him a child porn person so he could never live anywhere comfortable again.
贝蒂 是的，让他成为一个儿童色情人士，这样他就再也不能生活在舒适的地方了。
Put him on a sex offender list and attribute it to Hezbollah.
将他列入性犯罪者名单并将其归咎于真主党。
He could join NAMBLA.
他可以加入NAMBLA。
There's the joy in your voice as your saying these things.
当你说这些话时，声音里充满了喜悦。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass So now they had a great power to mess with their neighbor, to punish their neighbor-- he would never know what hit him.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）所以现在他们拥有了巨大的权力来扰乱他们的邻居，惩罚他们的邻居——他永远不知道是什么袭击了他。
He would have no idea it was them.
他不会知道是他们。
And despite what were I have to say clearly hours and hours that they spent talking about their revenge fantasies, they held their fire.
尽管我必须明确地说，他们花了几个小时谈论他们的复仇幻想，但他们还是忍住了。
They showed restraint.
他们表现出克制。
We had the thoughts, but we never did anything.
我们有这样的想法，但我们并没有付诸行动。
So it was just nice to hold onto them in the special briefcase as a sort of secret weapon.
因此，将它们放在特殊的公文包中作为一种秘密武器真是太好了。
Yes, like we have a little piece of him in this briefcase.
是的，就像我们在这个公文包里有他的一小部分一样。
And at any time we could do something with it.
我们随时可以用它做点什么。
Well, in a way then the main thing that finding all these papers that it gives you, it's like a gift because it helps with the one thing you've got which is being able to fantasize about revenge.
好吧，在某种程度上，最重要的是找到它给你的所有这些文件，它就像一份礼物，因为它有助于你实现能够幻想复仇的一件事。
That's true.
确实如此。
And if we ever used it, that would be gone.
如果我们曾经使用过它，那它就会消失。
If we put it out in the truck stop or did something on the internet, that would be gone.
如果我们把它放在卡车停靠站或在互联网上做一些事情，那么它就会消失。
We would have done our thing.
我们会做我们的事。
And we still can fantasize.
我们仍然可以幻想。
But it would be different if we didn't have these things because saying if you have no power then not using power means nothing.
但如果我们没有这些东西，情况就会有所不同，因为说如果你没有权力，那么不使用权力就没有任何意义。
But we have the power to do something, but we choose not to.
但我们有能力做某事，但我们选择不做。
It gives us control over him and control over him in a way we never had when he was tormenting us.
它让我们能够控制他，并以一种在他折磨我们时我们从未有过的方式控制他。
Eventually the neighbor moved away, stopping back to harass them only occasionally.
最终，邻居搬走了，只是偶尔停下来骚扰他们。
Julia and Betty and their family moved later.
朱莉娅和贝蒂及其家人后来搬家了。
But after all these years, they've kept that briefcase full of papers.
但这么多年过去了，他们的公文包里仍然装满了文件。
You never know when it is that you're going to need your secret super power.
你永远不知道什么时候你会需要你的秘密超能力。
[MUSIC - "I GOT TO GET AWAY" BY DAVE BARKER]
[音乐 - 戴夫·巴克的《我必须离开》]
Act Three, Waiting for Joe.
第三幕，等待乔。
Well, in this act we make little shift.
嗯，在这个行动中我们几乎没有做出任何改变。
Now, this is going to be a story about somebody with great power, but the story is going to be told from the point of view of the powerless.
现在，这将是一个关于拥有强大权力的人的故事，但这个故事将从弱者的角度来讲述。
When you're powerless, you spend a lot of time speculating about those above you, much more than the other way around, I think.
我认为，当你无能为力时，你会花很多时间猜测那些比你高的人，比相反的情况要多得多。
The people above us, they do not care.
我们上面的人，他们不在乎。
They don't notice you and me, not in the same way.
他们不会以同样的方式注意到你和我。
But we think a lot about them-- our parents, our bosses, our bosses' bosses.
但我们很关心他们——我们的父母、我们的老板、我们老板的老板。
"What is going through their heads?" we think.
“他们脑子里在想什么？”我们认为。
"Why are they treating us this way, especially when they don't seem to be living up to their responsibilities?" And there is one figure like this more than any other.
“他们为什么要这样对待我们，尤其是当他们似乎没有履行自己的责任时？”而且这样的人物比其他任何人都多。
Shalom Auslander has the story.
沙洛姆·奥斯兰德有这个故事。
In the beginning, he was always on time.
一开始，他总是准时。
But it had been a long time since the beginning, longer than either Doughnut or Danish could remember.
但距离开始已经过去了很长一段时间，比甜甜圈和丹麦人的记忆还要长。
"I don't get it," complained Danish.
“我不明白，”丹麦人抱怨道。
"Isn't it time?" "It's time," answered Doughnut.
“时间还没到吗？” “时间到了，”甜甜圈回答道。
"It feels like it's time.
“感觉是时候了。
It's time."
时间到了。”
Danish paced anxiously back and forth.
丹麦人焦急地来回踱步。
Of course it was time.
当然是时候了。
He knew it was time.
他知道是时候了。
He didn't need Doughnut to tell him that it was time.
他不需要甜甜圈告诉他时间到了。
"So where is he, then?" asked Danish.
“那么他在哪儿呢？”丹麦人问道。
Doughnut sat curled up inside their cold, empty feeding bowl, focused intently on the doorknob of the apartment front door, believing with all of his heart that at any moment the doorknob would turn, the door would open, and Joe would appear.
甜甜圈蜷缩在冰冷的空食盆里，全神贯注地盯着公寓前门的门把手，全心全意地相信门把手随时会转动，门会打开，乔就会出现。
"We cannot pretend to think that we know what Joe knows and what Joe doesn't know," pronounced Doughnut with a sharp twitch of his nose, "we must only believe with all of our heart that Joe knows."
“我们不能假装认为我们知道乔知道什么，不知道什么，”甜甜圈鼻子剧烈抽动，说道，“我们必须全心全意地相信乔知道。”
"I bet he doesn't know!" said Danish.
“我敢打赌他不知道！”丹麦人说。
He rose up on his hind legs and flailed uselessly at the glass walls until he became exhausted.
他用后腿站起来，徒劳地扑向玻璃墙，直到精疲力竭。
Breathing heavily, he lumbered over to the water bottle that hung in the far corner and drew a few drops into his mouth.
他喘着粗气，笨手笨脚地走到远处角落里挂着的水瓶旁，喝了几滴到嘴里。
"You nonbelievers are all the same," scoffed Doughnut.
“你们这些不信教的人都是一样的，”甜甜圈嘲笑道。
He pushed some dry cedar chips into a small, comfortable mound and settled down upon it.
他把一些干雪松片塞进一个舒适的小土堆里，然后在上面坐下。
"As if you were the first hamster to ever doubt him!" he said.
“就好像你是第一只怀疑他的仓鼠一样！”他说。
"Joe knows who believes, Danish, and Joe knows who doesn't.
“乔知道谁相信，丹麦人，乔也知道谁不相信。
Joe is here, Joe is there, Joe is simply everywhere.
乔在这里，乔在那里，乔无处不在。
You look around at all your plastic tube highways, and your fabulous Habitrail and think you are special.
你环顾四周所有的塑料管道高速公路和美妙的 Habitrail，并认为自己很特别。
But do ants not build anthills?
但蚂蚁不会建造蚁丘吗？
Do bees not build hives?
蜜蜂不会建造蜂巢吗？
It is not what we build that makes us unique, it is what we believe; it is that we believe at all!
使我们与众不同的不是我们建造的东西，而是我们的信念；这是我们所相信的！
Doubt, my dear Danish, is no great achievement; it is faith that sets us apart.
亲爱的丹麦人，怀疑并不是什么伟大的成就；正是信仰使我们与众不同。
Besides," added Doughnut, "he left his wallet on the front table.
此外，”多纳特补充道，“他把钱包落在了前面的桌子上。
He's got to come back."
他必须回来。”
"He did?" asked Danish.
“他做到了？”丹麦人问道。
He stood up on his back legs and squinted through the glass.
他用后腿站起来，透过玻璃眯起眼睛。
"Where?"
“哪里？”
Doughnut walked over and stood beside Danish.
甜甜圈走过去，站在丹麦人身边。
"Yes!" "That's not a wallet, you idiot."
“是啊！” “这不是钱包，你这个白痴。”
"Of course it's a wallet." "It's a book," said Danish.
“当然是钱包了。” “这是一本书，”丹麦人说。
"It's not a book." "Sure it is," said Danish, "I can read the spine.
“这不是一本书。” “当然是这样，”达尼什说，“我能读懂书脊。
Along Came a Spider by James Patterson."
詹姆斯·帕特森的《蜘蛛来了》。
He dropped down and shook his head.
他倒下并摇摇头。
Oh no, he does not!
哦不，他没有！
Doughnut squinted a moment longer.
甜甜圈又眯了一会儿。
"Damn.
“该死。
It was a paperback." Why would Joe abandon them?
那是一本平装书。”乔为什么要抛弃它们？
Why would he leave a sign for them right there on the foyer table and then make it not a sign?
为什么他要在门厅的桌子上为他们留下一个标志，然后又把它变成一个标志？
And why James Patterson?
为什么是詹姆斯·帕特森？
What did it all mean?
这一切意味着什么？
"He does not read James freaking Patterson!" cried Danish.
“他没有读过詹姆斯那该死的帕特森！”丹麦人喊道。
"Our salvation, our provider!
“我们的救赎，我们的提供者！
We must be out of our minds!"
我们一定是疯了！”
"It's a test," Doughnut said as he crawled back up in his bed.
“这是一个考验，”甜甜圈一边说，一边爬回床上。
"He's testing our faith." Danish stood on his hind legs and flailed uselessly at the glass wall until he became exhausted.
“他正在考验我们的信仰。”丹麦人用后腿站立，徒劳地敲击着玻璃墙，直到他筋疲力尽。
He took a drink of water, climbed up into the plastic tree house, and curled into a tight, angry ball.
他喝了一口水，爬进塑料树屋，愤怒地蜷缩成一团。
"I happen to find Patterson thought provoking and suspenseful," Doughnut said after a moment.
“我碰巧发现帕特森发人深省，充满悬念，”过了一会儿，甜甜圈说道。
"You what?" asked Danish.
“你什么？”丹麦人问道。
"Did you just say you find James Patterson thought provoking and suspenseful?
“你刚才是不是说你发现詹姆斯·帕特森发人深省、充满悬念？
Jesus Christ!
耶稣基督！
Open your eyes, Doughnut.
睁开眼睛，甜甜圈。
Don't you see what he's doing to us, holding our food over our heads like this, dangling our fate before us like a banana raisin nut bar tied to the end of the stick?
难道你没看到他对我们做了什么吗，像这样把我们的食物举过头顶，把我们的命运悬在我们面前，就像绑在棍子末端的香蕉葡萄干坚果棒一样？
Look at you, Doughnut, are you so desperate to believe that you're actually defending James Patterson?"
看看你，甜甜圈，你是否如此绝望地相信你实际上是在捍卫詹姆斯·帕特森？”
"I thought Cat & Mouse was a taut, psychological thriller," said Doughnut.
“我认为《猫与老鼠》是一部紧张的心理惊悚片，”甜甜圈说。
Doughnut closed his eyes.
甜甜圈闭上了眼睛。
Hunger stabbed sharply in his stomach, but he would never admit it to Danish.
饥饿猛烈地刺痛着他的胃，但他永远不会向丹麦人承认这一点。
Where the hell was Joe?
乔到底在哪儿？
Danish rummaged frantically through the seed shells and shavings that covered the floor of their transparent little world.
丹麦人疯狂地翻找覆盖在他们透明小世界地板上的种子壳和刨花。
"He isn't coming," he said, looking for even a sliver of a husk of a shell of a seed.
“他不会来了，”他一边说，一边寻找哪怕是一粒种子壳的碎片。
"He isn't coming." Doughnut nestled deeper into his bed, eyes shut tight in fervent concentration.
“他不会来了。”甜甜圈深深地依偎在床上，眼睛紧闭，全神贯注。
"May he who has fed us yesterday," he prayed, "feed us again today and tomorrow and forever.
他祈祷道：“愿昨天养活我们的那位，今天、明天、直到永远再次养活我们。”
Amen."
阿门。”
"Yes!" Danish suddenly shouted, "Yahah!" He pulled a brown chunk of apple from beneath a small mound at the back of the cage and raised it victoriously overhead.
“是的！”丹麦人突然大喊一声：“耶啊！”他从笼子后面的一个小土堆下面拉出一块棕色的苹果，胜利地把它举到头顶上。
Without even stopping to knock off the stray bits of cedar and pine needle that stuck to its sides, Danish opened his mouth wide and dropped in.
达尼什甚至没有停下来敲掉粘在两侧的雪松和松针碎片，就张大了嘴，掉了进去。
He made quite a show of chewing it, mmm-ing and oh-ing and ah-ing, finally swallowing it with a loud, dramatic gulp.
他做出了相当大的咀嚼动作，嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯，最后戏剧性地大口吞了下去。
He smiled, patted his stomach, and burped a deep, long belch of satisfaction.
他微笑着，拍拍自己的肚子，满足地打了一个又深又长的嗝。
He washed it down with a few drops of water and slid down to the floor with a contented sigh.
他用水滴了几滴，把它冲了下去，然后心满意足地叹了口气，滑到了地板上。
Doughnut watched Danish, a sour mix of jealousy and disdain on his face.
甜甜圈看着达尼什，脸上夹杂着嫉妒和蔑视的酸楚。
His stomach groaned.
他的肚子咕咕叫着。
Where the hell was Joe?
乔到底在哪儿？
Doughnut stood up and stomped over to Danish, who looked up at him lazily.
甜甜圈站起来，跺着脚走到丹麦人面前，丹麦人懒洋洋地抬头看着他。
"Well maybe you could give a little thanks," said Doughnut.
“好吧，也许你可以表达一点谢意，”甜甜圈说。
"For the apple he gave you." "The apple he gave me?" asked Danish.
“为了他给你的苹果。” “他给我的苹果？”丹麦人问道。
"I found that apple myself."
“那个苹果是我自己发现的。”
"Do you think the apple just grew there?" Doughnut shouted.
“你认为苹果是从那里长出来的吗？”甜甜圈喊道。
"How did the apple get there, Danish?
“丹麦人，苹果是怎么到那里的？
We searched this cage 1,000 times and never found a thing.
我们在这个笼子里搜查了1000次，却什么也没找到。
That apple was a miracle, a gift.
那个苹果是一个奇迹，一个礼物。
Joe heard my prayers, and he brought forth upon this cage a holy apple." His stomach grumbled.
乔听到了我的祈祷，他在这个笼子里生出了一个神圣的苹果。”他的肚子咕咕叫了。
Danish belched again and rubbed his belly with pride.
达尼什又打了个嗝，自豪地揉着肚子。
"Except, Doughnut, that you didn't get any food.
“只不过，甜甜圈，你没有得到任何食物。
You asked, I received.
你问，我收到。
Seems like a strange system to me." He sucked a piece of apple rind out from between his teeth.
对我来说，这似乎是一个奇怪的系统。”他从牙缝里吸出了一块苹果皮。
"Not that I'm complaining.
“我并不是在抱怨。
You know what?
你知道吗？
Next time why don't you ask him for a carrot?
下次你为什么不向他要胡萝卜呢？
I simply must start getting more fiber."
我必须开始摄入更多纤维。”
"Joe grants food to those who need it most," replied Doughnut bitterly.
“乔把食物送给那些最需要的人。”甜甜圈苦涩地回答道。
Danish tired quickly of Doughnut's lectures, particularly when he was hungry, which he suddenly was.
丹麦人很快就厌倦了甜甜圈的讲座，尤其是当他突然饿了的时候。
Again.
再次。
He got back up and began searching again through the rough cedar chips that covered the floor.
他站起来，再次开始在地板上粗糙的雪松木片中寻找。
Doughnut dragged himself wearily back to bed.
甜甜圈拖着疲惫的身子回到床上。
The miracle of the apple had made him ravenous.
苹果的奇迹使他感到饥饿。
Doughnut would never admit it, he was ashamed to even think it, but lately he'd begun to doubt.
甜甜圈永远不会承认这一点，他连这么想都感到羞耻，但最近他开始怀疑了。
Lately, Joe and his mysterious ways were beginning to tick him off.
最近，乔和他神秘的行事方式开始让他恼火。
It was the same thing with him every damn day, begging, thanks, begging, verse, chorus, verse.
他每天都在做同样的事情，乞求，感谢，乞求，诗歌，合唱，诗歌。
"Why me?" wondered Doughnut.
“为什么是我？”甜甜圈想知道。
It must have been his own fault.
这一定是他自己的错。
He must have sinned.
他一定是犯了罪。
He must have angered Joe.
他肯定激怒了乔。
Just last week he had questioned why their litter wasn't changed more frequently.
就在上周，他还质疑为什么他们的垃圾没有更频繁地更换。
"Perhaps there's a cedar shortage?" he'd asked Danish sarcastically.
“也许雪松短缺？”他讽刺地问丹麦人。
"It is a hardwood, you know." He'd even complained aloud that their cage was too small.
“你知道，这是硬木。”他甚至大声抱怨他们的笼子太小了。
The chutzpah!
肆无忌惮！
Some hamsters didn't even have a cage, let alone a Habitrail and an exercise wheel.
有些仓鼠甚至没有笼子，更不用说Habitrail和健身轮了。
How could he have been so ungrateful?
他怎么可以这么忘恩负义呢？
He barely even used the blessed exercise wheel, a beautiful exercise wheel that any hamster would love, and Doughnut had only ever used it once.
他甚至几乎没有使用过受祝福的练习轮，这是任何仓鼠都会喜欢的漂亮练习轮，而甜甜圈只使用过一次。
He was ashamed of himself.
他为自己感到羞耻。
No wonder there wasn't any food.
难怪没有食物。
Why should Joe give him anything more if he couldn't appreciate what he had already been given?
如果乔不能感激他已经得到的东西，为什么还要给他更多东西呢？
Doughnut closed his eyes and silently thanked Joe for starving him in order to show him the error of his ways.
甜甜圈闭上眼睛，默默地感谢乔让他挨饿，以便让他知道自己的错误。
"Forgive me," he prayed.
“原谅我，”他祈祷。
And with that, Doughnut hurried out of bed and climbed onto the exercise wheel.
说完，甜甜圈赶紧下了床，爬上了健身轮。
He ran as fast as he could, huffing and puffing, regret and retribution nipping at his heels.
他拼尽全力地跑，气喘吁吁，悔恨和报应紧随其后。
Danish, meanwhile, was going mad.
与此同时，丹麦人快疯了。
He'd been tricked, tricked by Joe.
他被乔欺骗了。
He was even hungrier now than he'd been before he'd eaten Joe's cursed apple.
他现在比吃乔那该死的苹果之前更饿了。
"Oh, yes.
“哦，是的。
Very good, Joe.
很好，乔。
Yes, quite witty!" shouted Danish.
是啊，还挺机智的！”丹麦人喊道。
"Well done, old boy.
“干得好，老男孩。
Touche!"
都切！”
Back on the exercise wheel, Doughnut could run no more.
回到健身轮上，甜甜圈再也跑不动了。
He stumbled back to bed.
他跌跌撞撞地回到床上。
Danish stood on his hind legs and flailed uselessly at the glass walls until he became exhausted.
丹麦人用后腿站立，徒劳地敲击着玻璃墙，直到他筋疲力尽。
Doughnut prayed.
甜甜圈祈祷着。
And behold, suddenly, the doorknob did turn.
突然，门把手转动了。
The apartment door did open, and Joe did appear.
公寓的门确实打开了，乔确实出现了。
Danish peed in excitement.
丹麦人兴奋地撒尿。
Doughnut crapped in fear.
甜甜圈吓得拉屎了。
Joe was thin and pale, and he wore a rumpled brown suit.
乔身材瘦削，脸色苍白，穿着一套皱巴巴的棕色西装。
The badge hanging from his chest pocket read, "Mail room." There was a woman with him, too, a woman Danish and Doughnut had never seen before.
他胸前口袋上挂着的徽章上写着“收发室”。他身边还有一个女人，一个丹麦人和甜甜圈以前从未见过的女人。
She had thin hair and thick glasses, and she and Joe wrestled their way through the doorway as one, groping and feeling and rubbing each other, as if each had somehow lost the keys in the other's pants pockets.
她头发稀疏，眼镜厚重，她和乔一起摔跤穿过门口，互相摸索、摸索、摩擦，就好像两人不知何故把钥匙丢在对方裤子口袋里了。
Joe groaned and tore open her blouse.
乔呻吟着，撕开了她的衬衫。
Danish and Doughnut pressed their noses to the glass.
丹麦人和甜甜圈把鼻子贴在玻璃上。
"There'd better be apples in there," said Danish.
“里面最好有苹果，”丹麦人说。
"Forgive me, Joe, for doubting you," prayed Doughnut.
“请原谅我，乔，怀疑你，”甜甜圈祈祷道。
Joe lifted the woman into his arms.
乔把女人抱进怀里。
She threw her head back and laughed.
她仰起头笑了起来。
And as they headed down the hallway toward his bedroom, Joe switched the living room lights off with his elbow.
当他们沿着走廊朝他的卧室走去时，乔用手肘关掉了客厅的灯。
Danish looked at Doughnut.
丹麦人看着甜甜圈。
"We have brought this upon ourselves," said Doughnut.
“这是我们自找的，”多纳特说。
Danish stood on his hind legs and flailed uselessly at the glass walls until he became exhausted.
丹麦人用后腿站立，徒劳地敲击着玻璃墙，直到他筋疲力尽。
Doughnut prayed.
甜甜圈祈祷着。
Ira Glass Shalom Auslander.
艾拉·格拉斯·沙洛姆·奥斯兰德。
His story, "Waiting for Joe," is from his collection, Beware of God.
他的故事《等待乔》来自他的小说集《小心上帝》。
He is also the author most recently of Foreskin's Lament.
他也是最近《包皮的哀歌》的作者。
Well, our program was produced today by Alix Speigel and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Diane Cook, Jane Feltes, Amy O'Leary, Lisa Pollak, and Nancy Updike.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由阿利克斯·斯皮格尔和我本人以及亚历克斯·布伦伯格、黛安·库克、简·费尔特斯、艾米·奥利里、丽莎·波拉克和南希·厄普代克制作的。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Adrianne Mathiowetz runs our website.
阿德琳娜·马修韦茨 (Adrianne Mathiowetz) 负责运营我们的网站。
Production help from Seth Lind, Kathy Hahn.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 和凯西·哈恩 (Kathy Hahn) 为制作提供帮助。
Music help today from Jessica Hopper.
今天杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS].
[致谢]。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS].
[资金来源]。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia, who wanders into the studio while we are on the air, hands full of snacks.
我们的老板托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia) 先生对我们的节目进行 WBEZ 管理监督，当我们直播时，他手里拿着满满的零食走进演播室。
All y'all are putting on a big show.
大家都在上演一出大戏。
Y'all want some popcorn?
你们想要一些爆米花吗？
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。