309: Cat and Mouse - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass OK, one sign that you and your high school nerd friends are pulling a lot of pranks, you give yourselves a name.
序言 Ira Glass 好吧，这是你和你的高中书呆子朋友们搞了很多恶作剧的一个迹象，你给自己起个名字。
And it's an acronym.
这是一个缩写词。
We were called the SCUM club.
我们被称为 SCUM 俱乐部。
SCUM was an acronym for the Society for the Corruption and Undoing of Morals.
SCUM 是腐败与道德败坏协会的缩写。
Another sign your prank-life is rather rich?
你的恶作剧生活相当丰富的另一个标志是什么？
You have a nemesis, and not only does he have the perfect job to be your nemesis-- assistant principal-- he has the perfect name, in this case--
你有一个克星，而且他不仅有完美的工作来成为你的克星——副校长——他还有一个完美的名字，在这种情况下——
He reminded me a lot of that principal from Ferris Bueller's Day Off .
他让我想起了《费里斯·布勒休息日》中的那位校长。
I don't know if you know that character.
不知道你是否认识这个角色。
But it was the same kind of thing, I'm going to get you.
但这是同一类事情，我会抓住你的。
I'm going to get you, Mr. Stein.
我去找你，斯坦先生。
One of these days, I'm going to get you.
总有一天，我会去找你。
Oh yeah.
哦，是的。
Yeah.
是的。
There was a cast of usual suspects.
有一群常见的嫌疑人。
And we would get called into the office.
我们会被叫到办公室。
Mr. Power's office?
鲍尔先生的办公室？
Adam Stein Mr. Power's office.
亚当·斯坦因 鲍尔先生的办公室。
And he would say, this happened over the weekend.
他会说，这发生在周末。
And we'd go, yeah, wasn't it great?
我们会说，是的，这不是很棒吗？
And he'd say, well, what did you have to do with it?
他会说，好吧，这和你有什么关系？
And I'd say, well, nothing.
我会说，好吧，没什么。
I was at home studying my mathematics.
我正在家里学习数学。
As the head of the SCUM club, Adam Stein says Mr. Power never had any evidence.
作为 SCUM 俱乐部的负责人，亚当·斯坦表示，鲍尔先生从来没有任何证据。
And nobody ever squealed.
从来没有人尖叫过。
But he set himself up to be tortured.
但他却让自己受到折磨。
A perfect example is, the prank was to stack lunch benches.
一个完美的例子是，恶作剧是堆叠午餐凳。
And they stacked them 18 benches high in the middle of the center quad.
他们在中心广场的中间堆放了 18 个高高的长凳。
He gets on the intercom the next morning and says, this is a bad prank.
第二天早上，他通过对讲机说，这是一个糟糕的恶作剧。
You know, blah, blah, blah, had you stacked it two more, we would have had to get a crane to come in and it would have cost blah, blah, blah.
你知道，废话，废话，废话，如果你再堆两个，我们就得用起重机来进来，这会花费废话，废话，废话。
So guess what's happened the next day?
那么你猜第二天发生了什么？
We come into school and it's stacked 20 benches high.
我们走进学校，看到学校里堆满了 20 张长凳。
So they have to bring a crane in.
所以他们必须搬来一台起重机。
And this is the sort of thing that happened all the time.
这种事情一直在发生。
He would set us up for the next step.
他将为我们下一步做好准备。
So one next step leads to another, and that leads to another.
因此，下一步会导致另一步，而下一步又会导致另一步。
And finally, it is the last month of senior year.
最后，这是高年级的最后一个月。
There's time for one last caper.
是时候进行最后一搏了。
The SCUM club gathered a wheelbarrow, concrete, shovels, pick axes, maybe 15 people in all.
SCUM 俱乐部聚集了一辆独轮手推车、混凝土、铲子、镐斧，总共大概有 15 个人。
And then, in the dead of night-- 1:00 AM-- they go to school, spread out to their pre-assigned spots, lookouts on the perimeter of the school grounds, and they got to work planting a toilet in the middle of the school grounds, right in the middle of the yard, cementing it in place and then writing on the seat, the seat of power-- for, you know, their nemesis.
然后，在夜深人静的时候——凌晨 1:00——他们去学校，分散到预先指定的地点，学校操场周边的瞭望台，然后他们开始在操场中央、院子中央种植一个厕所，用水泥固定到位，然后在座位上写字，权力的座位上——因为，你知道，他们的宿敌。
When we hear this, "Stop, freeze, police." We took off running in all directions.
当我们听到这个消息时，“停下来，别动，警察。”我们开始向四面八方奔跑。
And almost within a minute, a police helicopter was over us with the lights on.
几乎一分钟之内，一架警用直升机就停在我们上空，灯亮着。
And the beams were following us and the helicopter was yelling, "Stop, this is the L.A.
光束跟随我们，直升机大喊：“停下来，这是洛杉矶。
Police.
警察。
Stop."
停下来。”
Everybody scatters.
众人皆散。
From afar, they watch the helicopter land.
他们远远地看着直升机降落。
They watch the police disembark.
他们看着警察下船。
They watch the police examine the toilet.
他们看着警察检查厕所。
And then the police go.
然后警察就走了。
The next day, they deduce that the helicopter just happened to be on another call in the neighborhood.
第二天，他们推断直升机恰好在附近接到另一个呼叫。
This is L.A., there was a suspect at large.
这里是洛杉矶，有一名嫌疑人在逃。
None of Adam's friends were caught.
亚当的朋友都没有被捕。
In other words, best possible scenario.
换句话说，最好的情况。
They got scared.
他们害怕了。
They got chased.
他们被追赶了。
They got adventure.
他们得到了冒险。
Nothing bad happened.
没有什么不好的事情发生。
And the next day, of course, was the greatest day of their lives-- hundreds of kids milling around this toilet.
当然，第二天是他们一生中最伟大的一天——数百名孩子在厕所里转来转去。
And early in the morning, Adam is called into Mr. Power's office.
一大早，亚当被叫到鲍尔先生的办公室。
And I was in there and he said, I know you did this.
我当时在场，他说，我知道是你干的。
The usual thing.
平常的事情。
I know you had something to do with this.
我知道你和这件事有关系。
It's two weeks before graduation.
距离毕业还有两周。
You're not going to graduate.
你不会毕业的。
And of course, like every single time, he had no proof.
当然，就像每次一样，他没有证据。
And he basically said, but I will prove this before you graduate.
他基本上是说，但我会在你毕业之前证明这一点。
When we got to graduation, which was a couple weeks later-- and it was southern California, sitting out on the lawn of our football field, 800 kids in my graduating class.
几周后，当我们毕业时，那是在南加州，我的毕业班有 800 名孩子坐在我们足球场的草坪上。
So I go up, cross the stage, shake the principal's hand, get the diploma folder.
于是我走上讲台，与校长握手，拿到毕业证书文件夹。
And I go back to my seat and, sitting with my friends, open up to see what's inside and there are two sheets of toilet paper slid into the little plastic holder for the certificate.
我回到座位上，和我的朋友们坐在一起，打开看看里面有什么，有两张卫生纸滑进了证书的小塑料支架中。
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
That's exactly right.
完全正确。
It was like a wink.
就像眨眼一样。
And it completely, completely changed who he was for me at that moment.
在那一刻，它彻底改变了我对他的认识。
Like suddenly you liked him?
就像突然喜欢他一样？
Adam Stein I don't know if I'd go that far.
Adam Stein 我不知道我是否会走那么远。
Did it feel like you were in a cat and mouse game with him for that year?
那一年你有没有感觉和他在玩猫捉老鼠的游戏？
Absolutely.
绝对地。
You needed a nemesis.
你需要一个克星。
Had he been kind of a gentle, understanding sort of guy, it would have taken the wind out of our sails, I think.
我想，如果他是一个温柔、善解人意的人，我们的风帆就会变得不那么顺风顺水了。
It's fun to do those sort of things.
做这些事情很有趣。
It's fun to do the cat and mouse.
做猫和老鼠很有趣。
It's fun to tease that cat and see if he can get you, while staying within reach of the hole so you can escape into it.
逗弄那只猫，看看它是否能抓住你，同时保持在洞的范围内，这样你就可以逃进去，这很有趣。
Well, today on our radio program, Cat and Mouse, stories of people caught in a perpetual chase, doomed to it, or sometimes-- like with Adam and his high school friends-- the chase just makes their lives more interesting.
好吧，今天在我们的广播节目《猫和老鼠》中，讲述了人们陷入永恒的追逐、注定要追逐的故事，或者有时——就像亚当和他的高中朋友一样——追逐只会让他们的生活变得更有趣。
From WBEZ Chicago, it is This American Life , distributed by Public Radio International.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的节目是《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Act One of our show today, El Gato Y El Ratoncito.
我们今天的节目第一幕，《El Gato Y El Ratoncito》。
A guy embeds with an armed, quasi-vigilante group for a cat and mouse game on the Mexican border.
一名男子加入了一个武装的准治安组织，在墨西哥边境玩起了猫捉老鼠的游戏。
Act Two, Hello Kitty.
第二幕，Hello Kitty。
David Sedaris explains how it really goes between mouse and cat when both are locked up in prison together.
大卫·塞达里斯 (David Sedaris) 解释了当老鼠和猫一起被关在监狱里时，它们之间的真实情况。
Act Three, Lookings for Loveseats in All the Wrong Places, what happens when a cat is confronted with hundreds, actually thousands of possible mice and can't choose one.
第三幕，在所有错误的地方寻找双人沙发，当一只猫面对数百甚至数千只可能的老鼠却无法选择一只时，会发生什么。
Act Four, Spray My Name, Spray My Name, the story of cops, graffiti writers and the graffiti writer that we believe possibly evaded the police longer than any other.
第四幕，喷洒我的名字，喷洒我的名字，关于警察、涂鸦作家和我们认为可能比其他任何人逃避警察更长时间的涂鸦作家的故事。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One.
第一幕。
El Gato y el Ratoncito.
El Gato 和 el Ratoncito。
Well, at this point, most of us have heard of these guys who call themselves the Minutemen.
好吧，到目前为止，我们大多数人都听说过这些自称为民兵的家伙。
They're a volunteer militia.
他们是志愿民兵。
They station themselves at the US-Mexican border and they try to intercept illegal migrants.
他们驻扎在美墨边境，试图拦截非法移民。
The founder of the California Minutemen put out a call for, quote, "All those who do not want their family murdered by Al Qaeda, illegal migrants, colonizing illegal aliens, illegal alien felons, alien barbarians, ninja-dressed drug smugglers."
加州民兵组织的创始人发出呼吁，引用的话，“所有那些不希望自己的家人被基地组织、非法移民、殖民非法外国人、非法外籍重罪犯、外来野蛮人、穿着忍者装的毒品走私者谋杀的人。”
Well, this guy who's not a professional radio reporter or anything-- in fact, in his real life he works for a pest control company-- decided to buy himself a tape recorder and just hang out with the California Minutemen for a few days on their missions to the border.
好吧，这个不是专业广播记者或其他什么的人——事实上，在现实生活中，他在一家害虫防治公司工作——决定给自己买一台录音机，然后和加州民兵一起去边境执行几天的任务。
The guy's name is James Spring.
这个人的名字叫詹姆斯·斯普林。
And what he found was completely surprising.
他的发现完全令人惊讶。
He found a cat and mouse game at the border that happens night after night after night, but not between the minutemen and the illegal immigrants.
他发现边境上一场猫捉老鼠的游戏夜复一夜地发生，但不是民兵和非法移民之间的游戏。
No, no. The minutemen have another nemesis, protesters, groups like Angels of the Desert and Border Angels, who drop food and water for the migrants trying to help them.
不，不。民兵还有另一个敌人，抗议者，沙漠天使和边境天使等团体，他们为试图帮助他们的移民提供食物和水。
Hundreds of people die trying to cross the border each year, from heat, from cold, some starve.
每年都有数百人在穿越边境时因炎热、寒冷而死亡，有些人甚至挨饿。
And in fact, in this nightly cat and mouse game, the Minutemen really see themselves as the mice.
事实上，在这场每晚的猫鼠游戏中，民兵们确实将自己视为老鼠。
Here's James' story.
这是詹姆斯的故事。
My gear?
我的装备？
A RadioShack walkie talkie that a minuteman named Larry handed me before we left the VFW.
在我们离开 VFW 之前，一位名叫拉里 (Larry) 的民兵递给我一台 RadioShack 对讲机。
My companions?
我的同伴们？
Almost all in their 50s or 60s, dressed in cammies or khaki.
几乎都是 50 多岁或 60 多岁，穿着吊带背心或卡其布。
They have Top Gun styled call signs: Big Bob, Little Dog, Big Bird.
他们有 Top Gun 风格的呼号：Big Bob、Little Dog、Big Bird。
I drive my own truck in the middle of a convoy of a dozen SUVs and one Toyota Corolla.
我驾驶自己的卡车，行驶在由十几辆 SUV 和一辆丰田卡罗拉组成的车队中间。
As we pass a shack, somebody identifies it as a drug house.
当我们经过一个棚屋时，有人认出这是一家毒屋。
Somebody else calls it a signal house, an observatory that alerts smugglers when the coast is clear.
还有人称其为信号室，是一个在海岸畅通时向走私者发出警报的天文台。
Every vehicle on the road is suspect, too.
路上的每辆车也都是可疑的。
A Chevy with sagging leaf springs surely belongs to a drug trafficker.
一辆钢板弹簧下垂的雪佛兰肯定属于毒贩。
So does the empty flatbed that reeks of dung.
散发着粪臭味的空平板也是如此。
No doubt.
无疑。
James Spring Tonight, our objective is to spot illegal immigrants and drug traffickers and to radio Big Bob, who will be at the top of a hill where he can get reception with his cell phone to call the Border Patrol.
詹姆斯·斯普林 今晚，我们的目标是发现非法移民和毒贩，并向大鲍勃发送无线电信号，大鲍勃将在山顶，在那里他可以用手机接收信号，给边境巡逻队打电话。
The convoy's main concern is that we're going to be followed by the goons, the protesters.
车队主要担心的是我们会被暴徒、抗议者尾随。
The goons, in fact, are the number one topic of the radio chatter.
事实上，暴徒是电台闲聊的头号话题。
The goons are not do-gooders, they say, not humanitarians.
他们说，暴徒不是行善者，也不是人道主义者。
They're in league with the bad guys, on the take from the drug lords and coyotes.
他们与坏人结盟，从毒枭和土狼那里获取利益。
And then, as if summoned by fears, the goons appear.
然后，就像受到恐惧的召唤一样，暴徒们出现了。
A red Suzuki Sidekick with a white cross on the door and a ratty sign that says, Rescate-- Rescue-- passes us going in the other direction and flips a quick U-turn.
一辆红色的铃木伙伴车门上有一个白色的十字，上面有一个破旧的牌子，上面写着“救援——救援——”从我们身边驶过，朝另一个方向驶去，然后快速掉头。
We're being tailed.
我们被跟踪了。
I see them right there.
我就在那里看到他们。
Minuteman 7 [UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE].
民兵 7 [难以理解的短语]。
They made us as soon as we drove by.
我们一开车经过他们就来找我们。
They know where we are now.
他们知道我们现在在哪里。
Vehicle, drop your tacks.
车辆，放下你的大头钉。
Minuteman 7 Going down.
民兵7坠落。
Wow.
哇。
That seemed a little harsh, telling the rear vehicle to drop their tacks so that the search and rescue vehicle which spun around to follow us is now apparently going to run over tacks and have a flat tire.
这似乎有点刺耳，告诉后面的车辆放下大头钉，以便旋转跟随我们的搜救车现在显然会碾过大头钉并爆胎。
That can't be legal.
那不可能是合法的。
The Sidekick keeps coming.
伙伴继续来。
The command about dropping the tacks-- it turns out-- was only a ruse in the hopes that the enemy was listening in on our frequency.
事实证明，关于放下大头钉的命令只是一个诡计，希望敌人正在监听我们的频率。
It's only when the Suzuki gets stopped by a random US Border Patrol checkpoint that we're able to lose 'em.
只有当铃木被美国边境巡逻队随机检查站拦截时，我们才能失去它们。
We leave the main road and race down a bumpy dirt track that cuts south toward Mexico.
我们离开主干道，沿着一条崎岖不平的土路向南延伸至墨西哥。
10 minutes later, we arrive at a wide desert valley with a two-foot-high rail fence marking the border.
10分钟后，我们到达了一片宽阔的沙漠山谷，两英尺高的铁栅栏标志着边界。
OK, Roger.
好的，罗杰。
We're out of here.
我们离开这里了。
Let's go, guys.
我们走吧，伙计们。
Each vehicle is directed by radio to park 100 yards apart, creating a half-mile line of SUV sentry posts.
每辆车都通过无线电指令停放，相距 100 码，形成半英里长的 SUV 哨兵线。
I park beside Larry Morgan, the guy who loaned me the walkie talkie, not just because he loaned me the walkie talkie, and not just because I want to find out where I can get a T-shirt like his that says, "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent." I park next to Larry because he wears a big, floppy hat and he's the spitting image of my grandfather.
我把车停在拉里·摩根旁边，他是借给我对讲机的人，不仅仅是因为他借给了我对讲机，也不仅仅是因为我想知道在哪里可以买到一件像他那样的 T 恤，上面写着“无证边境巡逻人员”。我把车停在拉里旁边，因为他戴着一顶又大又软的帽子，而且和我祖父一模一样。
Larry tells me that he's a retired longshoremen from Los Angeles, an ex-marine, just like my grandfather was.
拉里告诉我，他是一名来自洛杉矶的退休码头工人，前海军陆战队员，就像我的祖父一样。
I ask him what the deal is out here.
我问他这里有什么交易。
How do we do this thing?
我们怎么做这个事情呢？
Larry explains that different minutemen have different styles.
拉里解释说，不同的民兵有不同的风格。
Some guys flood their posts with light.
有些人的帖子充满了光芒。
But not him.
但不是他。
Larry prefers stealth.
拉里更喜欢隐秘行动。
I go completely black.
我彻底变黑了。
I go dark.
我变黑了。
And I just go quiet.
我就安静下来。
I don't talk.
我不说话。
Sometimes I turn my radio off.
有时我会关掉收音机。
That way you can hear anything within-- your voice travels about a half a mile, maybe a mile, out here.
这样你就可以听到里面的任何声音——你的声音在这里传播大约半英里，也许一英里。
People can hear us talking, OK?
人们可以听到我们说话，好吗？
And at night, this would be a dead giveaway.
而到了晚上，这将是一个致命的泄露。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] [?
[无法理解] [？
Bird, ?] Rescate Angels are back on the road behind us.
伯德，？] 救援天使又回到了我们身后的路上。
They've found us.
他们找到了我们。
Damn.
该死。
James Spring We see a car approach from about a mile away with its horn honking.
詹姆斯·斯普林 我们看到一辆汽车从大约一英里外驶来，鸣着喇叭。
It's the Suzuki sidekick.
这是铃木的助手。
Larry is walking in tight circles with his hands on his head.
拉里双手放在头上，绕着圈子走着。
So what are they going to do?
那么他们要做什么呢？
Are they just going to go up and down-- I thought this was a [UNINTELLIGIBLE]--
他们只是要上下移动吗——我以为这是一个[无法理解]——
They're going to get on the radio and call all their goons.
他们将通过无线电呼叫所有暴徒。
And they'll probably--
他们可能会——
They're coming up on the east end.
他们正在东边过来。
They just found the whole line, guys.
他们刚刚找到了整条线，伙计们。
This is down at my end.
这是我的最后。
I don't think they have anybody to speak of.
我认为他们没有任何人可以谈论。
If they've got a cell phone, they've got friends.
如果他们有手机，他们就有朋友。
Roger.
罗杰.
Larry Morgan It just makes it harder for our mission.
拉里·摩根 这只会让我们的使命变得更加困难。
Jesus, what a bunch of numbskulls, knuckleheads.
天啊，真是一群蠢货、傻瓜。
If they can't see that we're out here trying to help the Border Patrol-- which is a government agency-- why would they want to interfere?
如果他们看不到我们在这里试图帮助边境巡逻队——这是一个政府机构——他们为什么要干涉呢？
They're yelling warnings across the border.
他们在边境那边大声喊叫警告。
Yup.
是的。
So any chance that we had of being stealth just went out the window.
所以我们任何隐身的机会都消失了。
You can see how they'll just get on their bullhorns and yell and make noise all night, so everybody here won't even attempt to cross and we might as well just go home.
你可以看到他们整晚都会拿着扩音器大喊大叫，所以这里的每个人都不会试图穿越，我们还不如回家。
The Sidekick makes its way down the line.
Sidekick 顺着队伍走下去。
When it reaches our post, Larry flags it to stop.
当它到达我们的岗位时，拉里标记它停止。
He introduces himself very pleasantly.
他非常愉快地自我介绍。
And the driver smiles and tells Larry that his name is Rafael.
司机微笑着告诉拉里，他的名字叫拉斐尔。
He explains, in fractured English, that he is a volunteer with Border Search and Rescue.
他用断断续续的英语解释说，他是边境搜救组织的一名志愿者。
Larry crouches down so that he's eye to eye with Rafael, and tells him that they both believe in helping people.
拉里蹲下来，与拉斐尔四目相对，并告诉他他们都相信助人为乐。
I don't want to see anybody get hurt either, Larry says.
“我也不想看到任何人受伤，”拉里说。
And then he tells Rafael to follow his heart.
然后他告诉拉斐尔要跟随他的心。
You just do what you have to do.
你只需做你必须做的事。
And Rafael says, I believe we are both on the same side, because you love this country and I love this country.
拉斐尔说，我相信我们都站在同一边，因为你爱这个国家，我也爱这个国家。
The one difference is, I've got two countries.
唯一的区别是，我有两个国家。
I watch Larry nod again, interesting way to look at it.
我看到拉里又点了点头，这种看待方式很有趣。
Larry pats the hood of the Sidekick and says, nice to talk to you.
拉里拍拍 Sidekick 的引擎盖说，很高兴与你交谈。
Rafael continues down the line.
拉斐尔继续前行。
After this exchange I'm thinking, the cold war is over.
经过这次交流，我想冷战已经结束了。
The wall has come down.
墙已经倒塌了。
But instead, Larry offers this analysis.
但拉里却提供了这样的分析。
You talk to this fellow and he appeared to be reasonable, rational.
你和这个人交谈，他看起来很通情达理，很理性。
It turns out that he's a suspected drug dealer and human smuggler.
原来他是一名毒贩和人口走私嫌疑人。
That's what he does and he doesn't like us here.
他就是这么做的，他不喜欢我们在这里。
That's the reason he's down here with his goons and they're trying to run us out of here.
这就是他和他的暴徒们来这里的原因，他们想把我们赶出这里。
Amazing.
惊人的。
And here he comes.
他来了。
I almost shook his hand.
我差点就握着他的手。
I ask Larry how he knows the protesters are working for drug dealers.
我问拉里，他怎么知道抗议者正在为毒贩工作。
He says the Minutemen's founder, Jim Chase, says so.
他说民兵队的创始人吉姆·蔡斯是这么说的。
And Big Bob said exactly the same thing.
大鲍勃也说了同样的话。
That's two sources, he says.
他说，这是两个来源。
Without the headlights of the Sidekick, it's really dark now.
没有了 Sidekick 的头灯，现在真的很黑。
Larry settles into a lawn chair for the night.
拉里在草坪椅上过夜。
See, there's the Big Dipper.
看，那是北斗七星。
Isn't that the bottom of the Big Dipper?
那不是北斗七星的底部吗？
And then you follow that over to the North Star.
然后你沿着它到达北极星。
You know, I don't think that's the Big Dipper.
你知道，我不认为那是北斗七星。
I think that's our problem.
我认为这是我们的问题。
I think that's the one they call Cassiopeia.
我想这就是他们所说的仙后座。
I walk back to my truck for a pair of binoculars, not that they'll do any good.
我走回我的卡车去拿一副双筒望远镜，但它们没什么用处。
There's no moon.
没有月亮。
And the entire desert is now as black and flat as a tar pit.
而整个沙漠现在又黑又平坦，就像焦油坑一样。
When I get back to Larry's truck, he's pretty much abandoned the idea of stealth.
当我回到拉里的卡车旁时，他几乎放弃了隐身的想法。
I hear perhaps the strangest sound I could have ever imagined at this moment.
我听到的也许是我此刻能想象到的最奇怪的声音。
What do you think of that?
你对此有何看法？
Isn't that pretty?
那不是很漂亮吗？
You probably never heard of them.
您可能从未听说过它们。
Luis Miguel.
路易斯·米格尔.
Romantico Musico.
浪漫音乐。
You have Mexican romantic music in your truck?
您的卡车里有墨西哥浪漫音乐吗？
I have six CD's that I have-- oh, I have another one, too.
我有六张 CD——哦，我还有一张。
I can't think of his name.
我想不出他的名字。
You'd love this stuff.
你会喜欢这个东西的。
It's really neat.
真的很整洁。
I fell in love with this little Mexican girl about five years ago.
大约五年前，我爱上了这个墨西哥小女孩。
And she introduced me to the culture.
她向我介绍了这种文化。
And it got me interested in it.
这让我对此产生了兴趣。
I'd never dated a cute, little 100-pound Mexican girl.
我从来没有和一个可爱的 100 磅重的墨西哥小女孩约会过。
She was like a Hollywood movie star.
她就像一位好莱坞电影明星。
I met her walking her dog in the park across from my home, back just before 2000.
就在 2000 年之前，我在我家对面的公园遇见了她遛狗。
And we started seeing each other.
我们开始见面。
And I was 57 and she was 28.
当时我57岁，她28岁。
And it was fun.
这很有趣。
I really enjoyed it.
我真的很喜欢它。
She was a Mexico Mexican, illegal, no green card.
她是墨西哥人，非法移民，没有绿卡。
Do any of your pals out here on the line know?
现场的小伙伴有知道的吗？
Do they know this story?
他们知道这个故事吗？
Yeah, I've shown them pictures of Christina.
是的，我给他们看了克里斯蒂娜的照片。
She's a really cutie.
她真是个可爱的人。
Anyway, I haven't met anyone quite like her.
无论如何，我还没有遇到过像她这样的人。
And now, I don't know what I'm doing here today.
现在，我不知道我今天在这里做什么。
She broke my heart and dumped on me.
她伤了我的心并向我倾倒。
So this is my way of getting even.
所以这就是我报仇的方式。
Just joking.
只是开玩笑。
Truthfully, his heart doesn't seem to be in this game.
说实话，他的心似乎并不在这个游戏上。
Here he is, an hour before midnight and a couple hundred miles from home and he's barely paying attention.
他就在这里，离家还有几百英里，距离午夜还有一个小时，但他几乎没有注意。
When the Sidekick rattles by again slowly, Larry misses it.
当伙伴再次缓慢地驶过时，拉里错过了。
He asks if I've seen the Border Angels even as they're passing us, not three car lengths away.
他问我是否见过边境天使，即使他们从我们身边经过，距离我们不到三辆车的距离。
He sees lights that don't exist and misinterprets the ones that do.
他看到了不存在的光，却误解了存在的光。
I wind up pointing things out to Larry.
我最终向拉里指出了一些事情。
I just saw, up on the hill there-- see that bright light?
我刚刚看到，在山上——看到那明亮的光了吗？
Oh yeah.
哦，是的。
Yeah, you know what?
是的，你知道吗？
Look at that.
看看那个。
Yeah, he was signaling, wasn't he?
是的，他是在发出信号，不是吗？
You'd be surprised how many people might be out here looking down at us.
你会惊讶地发现有多少人在这里俯视我们。
There, he's signaling again.
在那里，他再次发出信号。
I wouldn't know how to guess, but I'll bet there might be 20 people out there looking at us right now.
我不知道如何猜测，但我敢打赌现在可能有 20 个人在看着我们。
In April, we stopped groups of 16, 14.
4月份，我们停止了16、14人的团体。
I caught eight myself one morning, a family.
一天早上我自己钓到了八只，一家人。
This was last spring when he was volunteering with the Arizona Minutemen.
那是去年春天，当时他正在亚利桑那民兵队做志愿者。
Larry helped a Border Patrol agent catch a Mexican family.
拉里帮助边境巡逻人员抓住了一个墨西哥家庭。
They sat down on the side of the road behind the truck while he did the paperwork.
当他做文书工作时，他们坐在卡车后面的路边。
They'd bring out a clipboard-- the border patrolman-- gather information from these people.
他们会拿出一个剪贴板——边境巡逻员——从这些人那里收集信息。
Little children, a couple of them were six or seven years old, girls.
小孩子，有几个是六七岁的女孩。
And they were frightened.
他们很害怕。
They were afraid of either me or the border patrolman or both of us.
他们要么害怕我，要么害怕边境巡逻员，要么害怕我们俩。
But I went to my truck and brought out a case of water, small bottles of water, and shared it with them.
但我走到卡车旁，拿出一箱水，一小瓶装的水，与他们分享。
And after a few minutes, the girls started to relax.
几分钟后，女孩们开始放松。
The little ones were giggling.
小孩子们咯咯地笑。
And he was working his way down the group.
他在团队中一路走来。
And then finally, he handed a clipboard to this one little girl and she looked at me for some reason.
最后，他把一个写字板递给了这个小女孩，她不知为何看着我。
And I just motioned an x in the air, because she didn't know how to sign her name.
我只是在空中画了个X，因为她不知道如何签自己的名字。
And she just thought that was the funniest thing.
她只是认为这是最有趣的事情。
And then her mother laughed and her father giggled.
然后她妈妈笑了，她爸爸也咯咯地笑。
And it became a light moment there.
这成为了一个轻松的时刻。
But I'll never forget that.
但我永远不会忘记这一点。
Anyway, they loaded them in the back-- in the cage part-- of the Border Patrol vehicle.
不管怎样，他们把它们装进了边境巡逻车的后部——笼子部分。
And I just turned and left.
我就转身离开了。
I never saw them again.
我再也没有见过他们。
And I assume that they were taken back to the border and released.
我认为他们被带回边境并被释放。
And maybe they came back the next day.
也许他们第二天就回来了。
Who knows?
谁知道？
Was there any-- when they were taken off-- they're loaded into a cage and you're watching a couple kids.
有没有——当它们被起飞时——它们被装进笼子里，而你正在看着几个孩子。
I mean, that must have grabbed your heart a little bit.
我的意思是，这一定有点抓住了你的心。
Of course it did.
当然是这样。
I was responsible to a large extent for that, and it was sad.
我对此负有很大责任，这令人悲伤。
I was touched by it.
我被它感动了。
I thought, what am I doing this for?
我想，我这样做是为了什么？
Because it just was sad to see these people.
因为看到这些人真是令人难过。
It did dawn on me that, if I'm going to do this, I have to be a little stronger.
我确实意识到，如果我要做这件事，我就必须坚强一点。
When Larry talks about why he's doing this, he gives the standard pitch that all these guys give.
当拉里谈论他为什么这样做时，他给出了所有这些人给出的标准说法。
Illegal immigration has ruined the public schools, hospitals have closed because they were forced to provide free emergency care to Mexicans, then there are all the Mexican drugs that have destroyed America's children.
非法移民毁掉了公立学校，医院因为被迫向墨西哥人提供免费紧急护理而关闭，还有所有毁掉美国儿童的墨西哥毒品。
He says he just felt like he could make a difference.
他说他只是觉得自己可以有所作为。
"You'd be surprised," he says, "When you find something you really believe in.
“当你发现你真正相信的东西时，你会感到惊讶，”他说。
We just can't let any more of these people into our country."
我们不能再让这些人进入我们的国家了。”
It's like going to the dog pound, or the pound.
这就像去狗收容所或收容所。
And you go in and you look at the little puppies and you look at the little kittens, and you just want to load your car and take them all home.
你走进去，看着那些小狗，看着那些小猫，你只想把它们装进车里，然后把它们全部带回家。
Well, I don't go to the pound because I don't want to put myself through that.
好吧，我不去拘留所，因为我不想让自己经历这些。
And in a way, it's the same thing here.
在某种程度上，这里也是一样的。
These people, they're wonderful people, they're hardworking, but we just can't absorb them anymore.
这些人是很棒的人，他们很努力，但我们无法再吸收他们了。
I think we've reached the point now where there's just a limit to what we can allow.
我认为我们现在已经到了我们所能允许的程度已经有限的地步。
Suddenly, we see a stream of headlights descend into the valley behind us.
突然，我们看到一束车灯落在我们身后的山谷中。
The rest of the goons have arrived.
其余的暴徒已经到了。
It's five compact cars.
这是五辆紧凑型汽车。
A dozen or more people pile out.
十几个人或者更多的人涌了出来。
And one of them shouts into a bullhorn in Spanish, "Poor people of Mexico, please do not attempt to cross here tonight.
其中一人用西班牙语对着扩音器喊道：“可怜的墨西哥人民，今晚请不要试图穿越这里。
There are armed men waiting for you." One guy makes fun of the Minutemen by humming the theme to Mission Impossible into a bullhorn as they pass.
有武装人员在等着你。”一名男子在民兵经过时用扩音器哼着《碟中谍》的主题曲来取笑他们。
[MAN HUMMING] The protesters park their cars in kind of an arc and the battle begins.
[男人嗡嗡声]抗议者把车停成弧形，战斗开始了。
We're in the middle of the High Desert and ideological enemies are facing off over one of the most contentious issues in the country, in two countries.
我们正处于高原沙漠的中心，两个国家的意识形态敌人正在就该国最具争议的问题之一展开对峙。
And the weapons they use are about the same as you'd find in a disco, loud music, big lights.
他们使用的武器与你在迪斯科舞厅中看到的武器大致相同，大声的音乐，大灯光。
The protesters blast Mexico's national anthem and then a mix of enthusiastic Latin music.
抗议者高奏墨西哥国歌，然后播放热情的拉丁音乐。
The goons, it turns out, look like college kids, boys and girls, and they're dancing and laughing in a triangle of light created by their head lamps.
事实证明，这些暴徒看起来就像大学生，有男孩和女孩，他们在头灯产生的三角形灯光下跳舞、欢笑。
A couple of the protesters wave high-powered flashlights.
一些抗议者挥舞着高功率手电筒。
When I reach Big Bob's truck, I find him ducking behind the cab for cover.
当我到达大鲍勃的卡车时，我发现他躲在驾驶室后面寻找掩护。
Somebody hisses at me to get down.
有人向我发出嘶嘶声，让我趴下。
Big Bob is getting steamed.
大鲍勃快要气炸了。
The scene escalates into a battle of flashlights, a kind of flash off.
场景升级为一场手电筒之战，一种闪光。
When one hits you in the eyes, it's blinding.
当有人击中你的眼睛时，你会感到失明。
Should we refrain or not from hitting them with the light first, or wait till they do it?
我们应该先克制住，还是不先用光打他们，还是等到他们这样做？
We're going to refrain until they hit us and then we're going to knock the hell of out them with it.
我们会克制自己，直到他们袭击我们，然后我们就会用它把他们打得落花流水。
The protesters flash us and Big Bob slams them with his zillion candlepower flashlight.
抗议者向我们闪光，大鲍勃用他无数的烛光手电筒猛击他们。
But the protesters hold their ground.
但抗议者坚守阵地。
Most of them just mug it up for the spotlight, pumping their fists in the air.
他们中的大多数人只是为了聚光灯而扮鬼脸，在空中挥舞着拳头。
Some are doubled over with laughter.
有些人笑得弯下身子。
They turn up their music.
他们打开音乐。
We turn up our music.
我们打开音乐。
[MUSIC PLAYING] Our patriotic assault has no effect, which leads another of the minutemen to the conclusion that we have only one choice.
[音乐播放]我们的爱国攻击没有效果，这导致另一名民兵得出结论：我们只有一个选择。
Our version of shock and awe.
我们的震惊和敬畏版本。
OK, turn it on.
好的，打开它。
Crank it on.
启动它。
James Spring He cranks the minuteman theme to full volume on the stereo of his Toyota Corolla.
詹姆斯·斯普林 (James Spring) 他将丰田卡罗拉 (Toyota Corolla) 的立体声音响中的民兵主题调到最大音量。
[MUSIC- "THE MINUTEMEN" BY GIANLUCA ZANNA]
[音乐 - GIANLUCA ZANNA 的《THE MINUTEMEN》]
The words go, "We're the minutemen.
话是这样说的：“我们是民兵。
We're going to stand for our country.
我们将代表我们的国家。
We'll fight 'til the end." It's pathetic.
我们会战斗到最后。”真可悲。
The protesters have to turn down their own music in order to hear our fight song.
抗议者必须关掉自己的音乐才能听到我们的战歌。
Then they get on their bullhorns and pretend to be rednecks drawling, "Yeehaw," and "Giddy up." I'm just embarrassed for us.
然后他们拿着扩音器，假装是乡下人，慢吞吞地说着“耶哈”和“头晕”。我只是为我们感到尴尬。
But next to me, a minuteman clutching a rifle is seeing the scene very differently.
但在我旁边，一名手持步枪的民兵对这一场景的看法却截然不同。
He's crouched against the wheel well of the truck and looks ready to radio for air support.
他蹲在卡车的轮舱上，看起来准备通过无线电寻求空中支援。
I try to remember his name.
我努力记住他的名字。
Big Dog's on his way down from Phoenix with more [BLEEP.] The party's just getting ready to start.
大狗正在从菲尼克斯下来，带着更多的[哔]声。聚会正准备开始。
Little Dog's real name is Robert Crooks.
小狗的真名是罗伯特·克鲁克斯。
He's a retired commercial fishermen from Santa Barbara.
他是来自圣巴巴拉的退休商业渔民。
The reason he's expecting sniper fire any minute, he tells me, is that L.A.'s 18th Street gang has put a bounty on their heads, because minutemen patrols have virtually stopped the flow of drugs, shutting down the gang's business.
他告诉我，他随时都会遭到狙击手开火的原因是，洛杉矶第 18 街帮派悬赏了他们的人头，因为民兵巡逻队实际上已经阻止了毒品的流动，从而关闭了该帮派的生意。
The bounty on our badges is $25,000 cash.
我们徽章的赏金是 25,000 美元现金。
And they don't even have to present the badge or the carcass because the media will cover it.
他们甚至不必展示徽章或尸体，因为媒体会报道它。
They'll get their reward.
他们会得到他们的回报。
And one sniper shot, that's $25,000.
狙击手射击一枪，价值 25,000 美元。
That's a brand-new Harley for one of these guys.
对于其中一个人来说，这是一辆全新的哈雷摩托车。
You know what I'm saying?
你知道我在说什么吗？
Scary, huh?
可怕吧？
In America.
在美国。
Man.
男人。
Reportedly, no one's ever been hurt during these rallies on the border.
据报道，在边境集会期间没有人受伤。
The only news story of protester violence was a single incident in which one protester allegedly kicked the shin of a minuteman.
关于抗议者暴力的唯一新闻报道是一起事件，据称一名抗议者踢了一名民兵的小腿。
No charges were filed.
没有提出任何指控。
The two sides square off for more than an hour.
双方对峙了一个多小时。
Then a car load of protesters makes its way down the minuteman line to deliver a message, which is interrupted every few seconds by minutemen air horns.
然后，一车抗议者沿着民兵队伍传递信息，每隔几秒钟就会被民兵气喇叭打断。
Buenas noches, senores y senoras.
Buenas noches，先生们，先生们。
Gracias para the show.
感谢演出。
We'll be back again tomorrow night.
明天晚上我们会再回来。
It would be better if you just left, then we wouldn't have to do this every single night.
如果你离开就好了，这样我们就不用每晚都这样做了。
[AIR HORN] Protester You are not stopping immigration.
[喇叭] 抗议者 你们并没有阻止移民。
You are not stopping drugs.
你没有停止吸毒。
[AIR HORN] Protester You are furthering this.
[AIR HORN] 抗议者 你正在进一步推动这一点。
You are furthering everything you are against.
你正在推进你所反对的一切。
Please go home and rethink all your--
请回家重新思考你所有的——
[AIR HORN] Protester Have a nice day and this is for you.
[气喇叭]抗议者祝你有美好的一天，这是给你的。
[SIREN] James Spring Please go home and rethink all your values, the protesters tell us.
[SIREN] 詹姆斯·斯普林 抗议者告诉我们，请回家重新思考你的价值观。
And then they all line up their cars and leave.
然后他们都排好车离开。
I wonder if this isn't exactly what the Minutemen had hoped for, a good five hours until sun up to bust some Mexicans or drug smugglers.
我想知道这是否正是民兵们所希望的，在太阳升起之前的五个小时内抓获一些墨西哥人或毒品走私者。
But a few minutes later, Jim Chase crackles through on the radio and says that we're to pick up stakes, too.
但几分钟后，吉姆·蔡斯在广播中大声说道，我们也要下注。
We're needed in a town called Jacumba.
一个叫雅库巴的小镇需要我们。
Listening to the walkie talkie on the way down, I gather that Jacumba is considered a hostile village, and that intelligence indicates that something big is going down tonight, involving a drug smuggling cartel based in the town.
下山途中听对讲机的声音，我得知雅库巴被认为是一个充满敌意的村庄，情报显示今晚将发生大事，涉及该镇的一个毒品走私卡特尔。
By now, it's after 2:00 in the morning, and I don't know how much longer I can stay awake.
现在已经凌晨2:00多了，我不知道自己还能清醒多久。
When we get to Jacumba, each vehicle stops at a different street corner along the main drag, which seems to be the only paved road in town.
当我们到达 Jacumba 时，每辆车都停在主干道上的不同街角，这似乎是镇上唯一的柏油路。
Larry and I park by the sign that says, "Welcome to Jacumba, Population 654."
拉里和我把车停在标牌旁，上面写着：“欢迎来到 Jacumba，人口 654。”
We're supposed to write down the license plate numbers of all cars that pull onto the main road.
我们应该记下所有驶入主干道的汽车的车牌号。
Big Bob will call them into the Border Patrol.
大鲍勃会叫他们加入边境巡逻队。
Larry and I stand on the corner and watch a lot of nothing.
拉里和我站在街角，什么也没看到。
I think about how most of these guys are Vietnam vets.
我想这些人大多数都是越战老兵。
I think of a friend of mine who was a corpsman, how hard it was for him to return to normal life after the war.
我想起我的一个朋友，他是一名军医，战后他要恢复正常生活是多么困难。
What experience has ever been as intense for them?
对他们来说，什么经历如此强烈？
Besides this.
除此之外。
This is like Tikrit, Tikrit in Iraq.
这就像伊拉克的提克里特，提克里特。
We could be taking incoming at any moment.
我们可以随时接收传入的信息。
I haven't seen a roadside bomb yet, but that's not to say they don't have that set up.
我还没见过路边炸弹，但这并不是说他们没有这样的设置。
This is a drug town.
这是一个毒品小镇。
What you see is very dangerous.
你所看到的非常危险。
I'm not sure what to expect next.
我不确定接下来会发生什么。
All we need is for some drug dealer dumb enough to drive out onto this highway and try to do a drug deal in front of some of my eager friends.
我们所需要的只是一些足够愚蠢的毒贩开车到这条高速公路上并尝试在我的一些热切的朋友面前进行毒品交易。
Eventually, the sheriff shows up.
最终，警长出现了。
He tells Larry that it's great that we're here and asks if we wouldn't mind doing him a little favor.
他告诉拉里，我们能来到这里真是太好了，并问我们是否不介意帮他一个小忙。
Some kid's been stealing bicycles in Jacumba, taking them right off porches.
一些孩子在雅库巴偷自行车，直接从门廊上偷走。
The sheriff asks if we could keep an eye out, and hands Larry a card with a phone number.
警长问我们是否可以留意，然后递给拉里一张写有电话号码的卡片。
Soon, the border has been forgotten.
很快，边界就被遗忘了。
The drug dealers are forgotten.
毒贩被遗忘了。
Larry radios Big Bob, and within 30 seconds, all the minutemen have abandoned their posts and converged at our corner to offer the cop their support.
拉里用无线电联系了大鲍勃，30 秒内，所有民兵都放弃了自己的岗位，聚集到我们的角落，向警察提供支持。
Big Bob and another minuteman devise a plan to set out a decoy bicycle to entice the thief.
大鲍勃和另一名民兵制定了一个计划，放置一辆诱饵自行车来引诱小偷。
They're on the case.
他们正在处理这个案子。
They're watching.
他们在看着。
They're waiting.
他们在等待。
To protect us from the bad guys, they're drawing a line in the sand.
为了保护我们免受坏人的侵害，他们正在划清界限。
James Spring lives in San Diego and is looking for a publisher for his first book, a true life adventure story in the jungles of Panama and Colombia, in which among other things-- and I know how this is going to sound-- he's captured by Indians.
詹姆斯·斯普林住在圣地亚哥，正在为他的第一本书寻找出版商，这是一本发生在巴拿马和哥伦比亚丛林中的真实冒险故事，其中除其他事项外——我知道这听起来如何——他被印第安人俘虏了。
[MUSIC- "WAKE UP, AMERICA" BY GIANLUCA ZANNA]
[音乐-“醒来吧，美国”，作者：GIANLUCA ZANNA]
Act Two, Hello Kitty.
第二幕，Hello Kitty。
Well, as we've already seen today, sometimes it is hard to predict who's going to chase whom when it comes to cat and mice.
好吧，正如我们今天已经看到的，有时很难预测当谈到猫和老鼠时谁会追谁。
David Sedaris has this story.
大卫·塞达里斯有这样一个故事。
It was the stupidest thing the cat had ever heard of, an A.A.
这是猫听过的最愚蠢的事情，互诫协会。
program in prison, like you could find anything decent in here anyway.
监狱里的程序，就像你无论如何都能在这里找到任何像样的东西一样。
But if it would get his sentence reduced, well, all right.
但如果这能让他减刑，那么，好吧。
He'd sign up, dance the 12 step, do whatever it took to cut out early.
他会报名，跳12步，尽一切努力提前退出。
Once he was free, he'd break into the nearest liquor store and start making up for lost time.
一旦有空，他就会闯入最近的酒品商店，开始弥补失去的时间。
But between now and then, he'd sit with the sad sacks and get by with a little after-shave.
但从现在到那时，他都会坐在悲伤的麻袋旁，涂一点须后水就可以了。
The only thing he wouldn't do was speak at one of the meetings.
他唯一不会做的一件事就是在一次会议上发言。
As a rule, they were pretty boring.
一般来说，它们非常无聊。
Yammer, yammer, yammer.
叽叽喳喳，叽叽喳喳，叽叽喳喳。
But every now and then, someone would tell a decent story, this mink, for example, who'd swapped his own pelt for a bottle of Kahlua.
但时不时地，有人会讲一个像样的故事，比如这只水貂，他用自己的毛皮换了一瓶甘露酒。
The cat didn't know you could live without a pelt, but it was possible.
猫不知道没有毛皮也能活，但这是可能的。
Not pretty, that was for damn sure, but it could be done.
不漂亮，这是肯定的，但这是可以做到的。
And this mink was living proof.
这只水貂就是活生生的证据。
It helped that he had a sense of humor about it and told the story with a little pizazz, complete with sound effects and different voices.
他对此很有幽默感，并以一点活泼的方式讲述故事，并配有音效和不同的声音，这对他很有帮助。
When he came to the bit about his wife mistaking him for a beef tongue, the cat laughed so hard he fell out of his chair.
当他说到他的妻子把他误认为是牛舌时，猫笑得从椅子上摔下来。
"Thank you," the mink said at the end of his little speech, "You've been a great audience." After the meeting, the alcoholics congregated for treats washed down with burnt coffee.
“谢谢你们，”水貂在简短的演讲结束时说道，“你们是一位很棒的观众。”会议结束后，酗酒者聚集在一起享用烧焦的咖啡。
The cat was just going back for a second cup when he overheard a mouse talking in a low voice to the bull frog who served as the prison chaplain.
猫正要回去喝第二杯，突然听到一只老鼠低声对监狱牧师的牛蛙说话。
"He might be amusing, but I don't give that mink a snowball's chance in hell.
“他可能很有趣，但我不会给那只貂在地狱里滚雪球的机会。
In here all right, but out in the real world he's a ticking time bomb." The cat didn't know what this mouse was in for, but he was willing to bet it was something boring, fiddling with his taxes maybe, or telling some lie about some junk nobody cared about in the first place.
在这儿还好吧，但在现实世界里他就是一颗定时炸弹。”猫不知道这只老鼠的用途，但他愿意打赌这是一些无聊的事情，也许是在摆弄他的税收，或者对一些本来没人关心的垃圾撒谎。
He wouldn't know a good time if it came up and slapped him between the ears.
如果它出现并打他两耳之间，他就不知道什么时候是好时机了。
But here he was, ragging on this hairless mink.
但他就在这里，穿着这件无毛水貂的衣服。
"Refuses to take his recovery seriously.
“拒绝认真对待他的康复。
A classic example of a dry drunk."
这是一个典型的喝醉酒的例子。”
Give the guy a break, the cat thought.
让这家伙休息一下吧，猫想。
The poor bastard is permanently naked.
这个可怜的混蛋永远赤身裸体。
His wife left him, his chop shop was confiscated.
他的妻子离开了他，他的排骨店被没收了。
So who the hell cares if he starts drinking again?
那么谁又在乎他是否又开始喝酒呢？
It beats sitting around and listening to the likes of you for the rest of his miserable life.
这比在他悲惨的余生中坐着听你这样的人说话要好得多。
The cat didn't say any of this stuff, but he thought it.
猫没说这些话，但他心里这么想。
And it must have shown on his face.
这一定表现在他的脸上。
"Do you have a problem?" the mouse asked.
“你有什么问题吗？”老鼠问道。
And the cat said, "Yeah, as a matter of fact, I do." Sensing trouble, the chaplain moved between them and held out his webbed hands.
猫说：“是的，事实上，我愿意。”牧师察觉到了麻烦，便走到他们中间，伸出了有蹼的双手。
"All right, gentlemen" he said, "Let's just take this down a notch."
“好吧，先生们，”他说，“让我们把这件事降低一个档次。”
"I got a problem with certain rodents," the cat continued, "The kind who think that unless you're as pompous as they are, you're going to wind up on the trash heap."
“我对某些啮齿类动物有意见，”猫继续说道，“它们认为，除非你像它们一样自负，否则你最终会被扔进垃圾堆。”
"Yeah?" The mouse said, "Well, I got a problem with cats who try to take someone else's inventory before they've taken their own." He was a spunky little thing.
“是的？”老鼠说：“好吧，我对猫有一个问题，它们在拿走自己的库存之前就试图拿走别人的库存。”他是一个充满活力的小东西。
You had to give him that.
你必须给他那个。
Here he was, no bigger than a hair ball, yet he was more than willing to mix it up, and with a cat no less.
他就在这里，还没有一个毛球大，但他非常愿意把它混在一起，而且还和一只猫在一起。
"Don't think I'm going to forget this," he said as the chaplain pulled him back.
“别以为我会忘记这一点，”当牧师把他拉回来时，他说道。
And the cat said, "Oh, I'm so scared."
猫说：“哦，我好害怕。”
When dinner time came, the cat joined the mink for burgers and fries in the prison cafeteria.
晚餐时间到了，猫和水貂一起在监狱食堂吃汉堡和薯条。
The mouse was on the opposite side of the room, sitting between a rabbit and a box turtle at the vegetarian table.
老鼠在房间的另一边，坐在素食餐桌上的兔子和闭壳龟之间。
And every few seconds, he'd look up from his plate and glare in the cat's direction.
每隔几秒钟，他就会从盘子上抬起头，盯着猫的方向。
"I don't know what's going on between you two," the mink said.
“我不知道你们两个之间发生了什么事，”水貂说。
"But you'd better find some friendly way to straighten it out.
“但你最好找到一些友好的方式来解决这个问题。
I'm telling you brother, you do not want that mouse as an enemy."
我告诉你兄弟，你不想让那只老鼠为敌。”
"What's he going to do?" the cat said, "Steal the cheese off my hamburger?"
“他要做什么？”猫说：“偷我汉堡里的奶酪？”
"I don't know what he's going to do, but I know what he did do," the mink said.
“我不知道他要做什么，但我知道他做了什么，”水貂说。
And he leaned his raw, seeping head across the table.
他把那颗粗糙、渗水的头靠在桌子上。
"They say it was arson, chewed through some wires and set a police building on fire.
“他们说这是纵火，咬断了一些电线并放火焚烧了一座警察大楼。
Four German Shepherds killed on the spot, and two more so burnt their own mothers wouldn't recognize them.
四只德国牧羊犬当场死亡，另外两只被烧得连自己的母亲都认不出来了。
Now I don't know what all you think, but in my book, brother, that's cold."
现在我不知道你怎么想，但在我的书中，兄弟，那很冷。”
The cat dragged a fry through a puddle of ketchup.
猫把一条鱼苗拖过一滩番茄酱。
"Dogs?" you say.
“狗？”你说。
The mink nodded.
貂蝉点点头。
"One of the burnt ones was two weeks from retirement, had a party lined up and everything."
“其中一个被烧伤的人距离退休还有两周，举办了一场聚会等等。”
"You're breaking my heart," the cat said.
“你伤了我的心，”猫说。
The next A.A.
下一个互诫协会
meeting was par for the course, not a decent story to be had.
会议是理所当然的，不是一个像样的故事。
Someone said he was dying for a drink and then someone else said the same thing.
有人说他非常想喝一杯，然后其他人也说了同样的话。
When that got repetitive, a member told the group why he wanted to drink.
当这种情况重复出现时，一名成员告诉小组他为什么想喝酒。
"Anyone else like to share?" the chaplain asked.
“还有人愿意分享吗？”牧师问道。
"Any new voices we haven't heard from?" And the cat closed his eyes.
“还有什么我们没有听到过的新声音吗？”然后猫闭上了眼睛。
He usually drifted off to sleep and came to during the serenity prayer.
他通常会迷迷糊糊地睡着，然后在宁静的祈祷中苏醒过来。
But today he stayed awake, waiting for the mouse to pipe up and say something stupid like "easy does it" or "fake it 'til you make it," aphorisms he couldn't go 10 minutes without repeating.
但今天他一直醒着，等着老鼠开口说一些愚蠢的话，比如“很容易做到”或“假装做到，直到你成功”，这些格言他不能在十分钟内不重复。
"Boys," he'd say, "When things get tough, I just have to remind myself to let go and let God." Then everyone would act as if they hadn't heard this 5,000 times already, as if it wasn't printed on flea collars, for Christ's sake.
“孩子们，”他会说，“当事情变得艰难时，我只需要提醒自己放手，让上帝去做。”然后每个人都会表现得好像他们已经听过这句话五千遍了，就好像这句话没有印在跳蚤项圈上一样，天哪。
Today though, the mouse skipped the slogans and talked about a recent encounter that had tested his resolve.
但今天，老鼠跳过了口号，谈到了最近一次考验他决心的遭遇。
"I won't name names.
“我不会指名道姓。
But this was between myself and the sort of individual I call a pustule, the kind who likes to creep around and listen to conversations that are none of his business.
但这是我自己和那种我称之为脓包的人之间的事，这种人喜欢偷偷摸摸地听与他无关的谈话。
That's how he gets his kicks, see.
这就是他的踢球方式，瞧。
The cat said, "Why I oughtta--" And the chaplain pointed to a sign reading, no cross talk.
猫说：“为什么我应该——”牧师指着一块牌子，上面写着，没有相声。
Of all the rules, this was the lousiest, because it meant you couldn't respond directly to someone, even if he was obviously trashing you.
在所有规则中，这是最糟糕的，因为这意味着你不能直接回应某人，即使他明显在贬低你。
"Now, I didn't know this individual from Adam," the mouse continued.
“现在，我不认识亚当这个人了，”老鼠继续说道。
"I'd seen him around, sure.
“当然，我见过他。
But aside from being ugly, there was no reason to notice him.
但除了丑之外，没有理由注意到他。
He was obviously no smarter than this chair I'm sitting on.
他显然并不比我坐的这把椅子聪明。
But that didn't keep him from running his mouth.
但这并没有阻止他开口说话。
In fact, it was just the opposite.
事实上，事实恰恰相反。
This pustule pushed every button I have.
这个脓疱触动了我的每一个按钮。
And just as I was about to rearrange his face, I remembered my fourth step and let it slide." There was a general murmur of congratulation and the mouse acknowledged it.
就在我正要重新排列他的脸时，我想起了我的第四步，然后让它滑了下来。”大家纷纷低声表示祝贺，老鼠承认了这一点。
"I can't say I'll be so forgiving the next time.
“我不能说下次我会如此宽容。
But I guess I'll just cross that bridge when I come to it."
但我想当我到达那座桥时我就会跨过那座桥。”
Then a goat raised his hand and recalled getting drunk at his nephew's bar mitzvah.
然后一只山羊举起手，回忆起在他侄子的成人礼上喝醉的情景。
The animals shook their head in sympathy.
动物们同情地摇摇头。
And the cat joined in, biding his time until a couple more had spoken.
那只猫也加入了进来，等待时机，直到又有几只猫开口说话。
Then he could call the mouse a few names of his own.
然后他就可以给老鼠起几个自己的名字了。
Next, a guinea pig said some crap about insecurity.
接下来，一只豚鼠说了一些关于不安全感的废话。
A leech wondered if the Big Book came in an audio version.
一只水蛭想知道这本大书是否有音频版本。
Then just as he had finished, the cat stuck his paw into the air saying, "Hey everybody, I got a little story to tell."
就在他刚说完的时候，猫把爪子伸到空中说道：“大家好，我有一个小故事要讲。”
"That's not the way we do things here," the chaplain said.
“这不是我们这里做事的方式，”牧师说。
"Before you speak, you have to introduce yourself."
“在发言之前，你必须自我介绍一下。”
"OK," the cat said.
“好吧，”猫说。
"I'm a cat and I got a little story to tell."
“我是一只猫，我有一个小故事要讲。”
"You know what I'm talking about," the chaplain said.
“你知道我在说什么，”牧师说。
"Come on now, it's not going to kill you." The cat stared across the table at the mouse and saw the same expression he'd observed the night before in the cafeteria.
“来吧，它不会杀你的。”猫盯着桌子对面的老鼠，看到了他前一天晚上在自助餐厅看到的同样的表情。
Smirky, defiant, the look of someone convinced that he had already won.
傻笑，挑衅，一副确信自己已经赢了的样子。
"All right," the cat said, "I'm a cat and-- aw, to hell with all of you."
“好吧，”猫说，“我是一只猫，而且——噢，让你们所有人见鬼去吧。”
The mouse put his little hand over his heart as if to say, oh you're killing me.
老鼠把他的小手放在心口上，好像在说，哦，你要杀了我。
And the cat pounded his paw on the tabletop.
猫用爪子敲打桌面。
"I'm a cat, all right?
“我是一只猫，好吗？
I'm a cat and I'm a-- and I'm an alcoholic.
我是一只猫，我是一个酒鬼。
You happy now?"
你现在幸福吗？”
Then everyone said, "Hello, cat," and waited, their eyes politely downcast as he began the long business of recovering himself.
然后每个人都说：“你好，猫。”然后等待着，当他开始漫长的恢复过程时，他们的眼睛礼貌地低垂着。
"So that's how I met my first sponsor," the cat would later say.
“这就是我遇到第一个赞助商的方式，”猫后来说。
This at meetings in damp church basements and low-slung community centers, years after he was released from prison.
这是在他出狱多年后在潮湿的教堂地下室和低矮的社区中心举行的会议上进行的。
"That little SOB saved my life.
“那个小小的呜咽救了我的命。
Can you beat that?
你能打败它吗？
A murderer, an arsonist, and not a day goes by when I don't think about him."
一个杀人犯，一个纵火犯，我没有一天不想他。”
It maybe wasn't the best story in the world.
这也许不是世界上最好的故事。
But as the mouse had told him on more than one occasion, it wasn't the worst either.
但正如老鼠不止一次告诉他的那样，这还不是最糟糕的。
David Sedaris is the author of several books, most recently Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim .
David Sedaris 是多本书的作者，最近出版了《用灯芯绒和牛仔布装扮你的家人》。
He also has edited a collection of favorite short fiction called Children Playing Before a Statue of Hercules.
他还编辑了一本深受喜爱的短篇小说集，名为《孩子们在赫拉克勒斯雕像前玩耍》。
Coming up, cat and mouse with a mouse that cannot even move.
接下来，猫捉老鼠，老鼠甚至无法动弹。
Why, oh why would it take 10 decades to catch?
为什么，哦，为什么要花10年才能捕捉到？
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life , I'm Ira Glass.
这就是美国生活，我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose some theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题。
We bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
我们为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Cat and Mouse.
今天的节目是《猫和老鼠》。
We've arrived at Act Three of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three.
第三幕。
In most games of cat and mouse, you've got the chaser and you got the chased, right?
在大多数猫捉老鼠的游戏中，你有追逐者，也有被追者，对吧？
And both of them are pretty much in constant motion.
而且它们两者几乎都在不断地运动。
But here's a story where the mouse is not moving at all.
但这里有一个故事，鼠标根本不动。
In fact, the mouse is an inanimate object.
事实上，老鼠是一个无生命的物体。
And yet, somehow it cannot be caught.
然而，不知怎的，它却无法被抓住。
David Segal reports.
大卫·西格尔报道。
I've known Eric for just about 20 years.
我认识埃里克大约 20 年了。
And for nearly the entire length of our friendship, he's been hunting quarry that everyone else cornered a long time ago, something nobody really thinks of as the sort of thing you hunt.
在我们友谊的整个过程中，他几乎一直在寻找其他人很久以前就被逼入绝境的猎物，没有人真正认为这是你所猎取的东西。
I've been looking for the right sofa for about 18 years.
大约 18 年来，我一直在寻找合适的沙发。
Yes, he said 18 years.
是的，他说18年。
And yes, he said sofa.
是的，他说沙发。
All of this started after Eric left graduate school.
这一切都是在埃里克离开研究生院后开始的。
And briefly, it looked like it would be a fairly conventional shopping experience.
简而言之，这看起来像是一种相当传统的购物体验。
He spotted a sofa he liked at Pottery Barn, an off-white number with a slip cover.
他在 Pottery Barn 发现了一张他喜欢的沙发，是一款带套的灰白色沙发。
And he had a matching pair delivered.
他还送来了一双配套的。
But once they arrived, he knew he'd made a big mistake.
但当他们到达后，他知道自己犯了一个大错误。
The lines were all wrong.
台词全都错了。
The fabric wasn't right.
布料不对。
He returned the goods within a week.
他在一周内退回了货物。
And after that, the shopping experience was never conventional again.
从那以后，购物体验就不再是传统的了。
His quest moved into what I call its "Ahab/Moby Dick" phase.
他的探索进入了我所说的“亚哈/莫比迪克”阶段。
He began to stalk his couch.
他开始跟踪他的沙发。
For years he'd subscribe to these high-end furniture magazines.
多年来他一直订阅这些高端家具杂志。
And slowly, he started to build a clip file of advertisements and photographs.
慢慢地，他开始建立广告和照片的剪辑文件。
He learned the ins and outs of couch construction, the proper materials for the frame--
他了解了沙发构造的细节、框架的正确材料——
There's a firmness but a softness, which is actually not all that easy to achieve.
有刚有柔，其实并不是那么容易做到的。
The kind of the boucle that they do, which is the fabric that I was keen on.
他们做的那种毛圈织物，正是我喜欢的面料。
And of course, all important, the springs.
当然，最重要的是弹簧。
What's called eight-way hand-tied, I think, which is, they do eight-way hand tying of the coils.
我认为所谓的八向手扎，就是他们对线圈进行八向手扎。
I should say, Eric's not this way when he's buying clothes.
应该说，艾瑞克买衣服的时候可不是这样的。
He's not this way when he's ordering dinner.
他点餐的时候可不是这样的。
He's not this way with a lot of things.
他在很多事情上都不是这样的。
But when it's something he cares about, he's methodical and he's relentless.
但当这是他关心的事情时，他就会有条不紊、坚持不懈。
But with the sofa, he went further than he ever had before.
但有了沙发，他比以前走得更远。
By the time his search entered its 10th year-- that's more than twice as long as it took scientists at the Manhattan Project to develop the atom bomb-- Eric was honing in.
当他的研究进入第十个年头时——这是曼哈顿计划科学家研制原子弹所需时间的两倍多——埃里克正在磨练。
He'd started shopping in these swanky boutiques, places that don't even have storefronts, places where someone has to tell you the address and then buzz you in.
他开始在这些时髦的精品店购物，这些地方甚至没有店面，必须有人告诉你地址，然后催促你进去。
He had his eyes on the work of a sofa superstar named Jean-Michel Frank.
他看中了沙发巨星让·米歇尔·弗兰克 (Jean-Michel Frank) 的作品。
And there was one piece in particular that he decided was the couch of his dreams.
他特别认为其中一件作品是他梦想中的沙发。
It was a $12,000 three-seater of Italian nutwood in a beeswax finish.
这是一辆价值 12,000 美元的三座意大利坚果木车，表面涂有蜂蜡。
Eric found the one place in the country where it was for sale.
埃里克（Eric）在该国找到了一个出售它的地方。
A place called Ralph Pucci.
一个叫拉尔夫·普奇的地方。
David Segal So you walked around this place, and did you fall in love with any of the sofas?
David Segal：你在这个地方走来走去，有没有爱上其中的沙发？
Did you hear the church music you were looking for?
您听到了您正在寻找的教堂音乐吗？
Yeah, well, it's interesting.
是的，嗯，这很有趣。
The short answer is, I didn't, which was kind of dismaying.
简短的回答是，我没有，这有点令人沮丧。
When I saw it in person, I was actually a little underwhelmed.
当我亲眼看到它时，我实际上有点不知所措。
So you ultimately passed on all of the sofas that you came across during your 15- to 18-year search for the perfect sofa.
因此，您最终放弃了在 15 到 18 年寻找完美沙发的过程中遇到的所有沙发。
Right.
对。
David Segal Could you describe your current sofa?
David Segal 您能描述一下您现在的沙发吗？
That's just plain mean.
这就是简单的意思。
David Segal Where did you get your current sofa?
David Segal 你现在的沙发是从哪里买的？
So I got my current sofa for free.
所以我免费得到了我现在的沙发。
It was a donation from a friend that I was helping move out of his apartment.
这是一位朋友的捐赠，我帮助他搬出了他的公寓。
The polyester fill cushions have gotten flattened to the point where if you plop down, if you just kind of collapse into my sofa, you will actually hurt yourself.
聚酯填充垫已经变得扁平，如果你扑通扑通地倒下去，如果你只是倒在我的沙发上，你实际上会伤到自己。
More than a few times in these past 18 years, Eric and I have tried to figure out what this sofa thing is really about.
在过去的 18 年里，埃里克和我多次试图弄清楚这个沙发的真正用途。
Perhaps it won't shock you to learn that Eric is single.
得知埃里克单身，也许你不会感到震惊。
He's had a fair number of girlfriends.
他有过不少女朋友。
With some he's even shared the story of his never-ending couch adventure.
他甚至与一些人分享了他永无休止的沙发冒险的故事。
And guess what, they don't seem very amused.
你猜怎么着，他们似乎不太高兴。
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, it kind of drives them crazy.
我的意思是，这有点让他们发疯。
To review.
进行审查。
Just after college, he found something he liked, lived with it briefly, and then decided it wasn't good enough and sent it packing.
大学刚毕业，他发现了一些他喜欢的东西，短暂地接受了它，然后觉得它不够好，然后把它打包了。
He started pursuing exotic specimens that conformed to a narrower and more unattainable ideal.
他开始追求符合更狭隘、更难以实现的理想的奇异标本。
He subscribed to glossy, photo-rich magazines, which only reinforced his yearning for this unattainable ideal.
他订阅了光鲜亮丽、照片丰富的杂志，这只会增强他对这个遥不可及的理想的渴望。
And then, after years of searching, he finally came face-to-face with that ideal.
然后，经过多年的寻找，他终于面对了这个理想。
He found it lacking.
他发现它有所欠缺。
Do you see where I'm going here?
你明白我要去哪里吗？
Often, when I talk to him about his quest, I want to say, wait, are we still talking about a couch?
通常，当我和他谈论他的追求时，我想说，等等，我们还在谈论沙发吗？
Do I hold out for one that really knocks me out or do I just settle for something that is-- that I can live with, but really doesn't knock me out?
我是否会坚持做一个真正让我崩溃的事情，还是只是满足于那些我可以忍受但真的不会让我崩溃的事情？
But does it not worry you that you might live a sofa-less, single life?
但是，您是否不担心自己可能会过着没有沙发的单身生活？
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, absolutely.
我的意思是，绝对。
This is probably the thing that causes me more concern and dismay and questions as anything in my life.
这可能是我生活中最让我担心、沮丧和疑问的事情。
I really, really like being together.
我真的真的很喜欢在一起。
And I'm not all that crazy about being alone.
我并不那么热衷于孤独。
One thing that's interesting about the tale of Eric's nonstop sofa safari-- which I've heard him tell more than a few times-- is that it ticks off nearly as many people as it amuses.
埃里克不间断的沙发之旅的故事的一个有趣之处在于，它让很多人兴奋，也让很多人感到开心——我听他讲过不止一次。
Some are actually angry when he's done with the story.
当他讲完这个故事后，有些人实际上很生气。
And I think I know why.
我想我知道为什么。
Two radically different world views are clashing here, one in which life is all about seeking perfection, and the other in which you make normal compromises and settle for good instead of great.
两种截然不同的世界观在这里发生冲突，一种是生活就是追求完美，另一种是你做出正常的妥协，满足于好的而不是伟大的。
The settlers consider the perfection people to be babies and whiners.
定居者认为完美的人是婴儿和爱哭闹的人。
The perfection people see the settlers as strangely hostile milquetoasts who've given up, who aren't striving for greatness, who've been cowed into lowering their standards.
在人们眼中，定居者是完美的、充满敌意的、充满敌意的胆怯者，他们放弃了，不追求伟大，被胁迫而降低了标准。
Personally, I know that part of me wants to tell Eric, don't yield.
就我个人而言，我知道我内心的一部分想告诉埃里克，不要屈服。
Do not surrender.
不要投降。
Hold fast.
坚守。
Wait for that transformative moment, even if it means you're alone and drooling on a frat house futon for the rest of your life.
等待那个变革性的时刻，即使这意味着你将独自一人，在兄弟会的蒲团上流口水，度过余生。
And another part of me wants to tell him exactly what a former girlfriend once told him, and I quote, "Just buy a [BLEEP] couch."
我的另一部分想准确地告诉他前女友曾经告诉过他的话，我引用的话，“买一张[BLEEP]沙发就行了。”
David Segal is a reporter for the Washington Post.
大卫·西格尔是《华盛顿邮报》的记者。
[MUSIC- "A HOUSE IS NOT A HOME" BY LUTHER VANDROSS]
[音乐-路德·范德罗斯的《房子不是家》]
Act Four, Spray My Name, Spray My Name.
第四幕，喷洒我的名字，喷洒我的名字。
Over the years, Brian Thomas Gallagher has followed the cat-and-mouse struggle between graffiti writers and the people who notice their work more than anybody else, the cops who are trying to bust them.
多年来，布莱恩·托马斯·加拉格尔（Brian Thomas Gallagher）一直关注着涂鸦作家和那些比其他人更关注他们作品的人以及试图抓捕他们的警察之间的猫捉老鼠的斗争。
So this is how it works.
这就是它的工作原理。
Some teenager decides he's going to start writing his name on things-- buildings, vans, windows-- and then 75 NYPD officers have full-time jobs trying to hunt him down and arrest him.
某个青少年决定开始在建筑物、货车、窗户等物品上写下自己的名字，然后 75 名纽约警察局官员开始全职追捕并逮捕他。
They can get downright obsessive.
他们可能会变得彻头彻尾的痴迷。
A lot of the officers in the unit will say, I want this guy.
单位里很多军官会说，我想要这个人。
This is Lt.
这是中尉。
Steve Mona.
史蒂夫·莫娜。
He's been with the Vandal Squad for 19 years.
他已经在破坏者小队工作了 19 年。
He knows the feeling.
他知道这种感觉。
It becomes like a disease.
它变得像一种疾病。
You hear it when the cops come into work at night.
当警察晚上上班时你会听到它。
They don't just drive down the parkway to get to work.
他们不只是开车沿着大道去上班。
They drive down the parkway and looking at the bridge abutments and everything.
他们沿着大道行驶，看着桥台和一切。
And the minute they come into work-- it's not even roll call time yet-- and you hear one cop saying to the other one, hey, did you drive down the Bronx River today?
他们一上班——还没到点名时间——你就会听到一名警察对另一名警察说，嘿，你今天开车沿着布朗克斯河行驶了吗？
No, I didn't, why?
不，我没有，为什么？
It was clean yesterday and so-and-so and so-and-so hit it last night.
昨天是干净的，昨晚某某人打了它。
They must have been out there.
他们肯定就在外面。
Damn, I was there.
该死，我当时就在那里。
We passed there around 2 o'clock in the morning.
我们凌晨2点左右经过那里。
I don't remember the graffiti.
我不记得有涂鸦了。
As cat and mouse games go, this is classic.
作为猫捉老鼠的游戏，这是经典。
You have the writers, more nimble but less powerful, dashing out, doing their work, almost taunting.
编剧们更灵活，但力量更弱，他们冲出去，做他们的工作，几乎是在嘲讽。
And then you have the cops, watching and waiting, and occasionally catching them.
然后就有警察在监视和等待，偶尔会抓住他们。
The 75 Vandal Squad cops call themselves the vandals.
75 名破坏者小队警察称自己为破坏者。
Some cops will get fixated on a certain writer.
有些警察会关注某个作家。
Officers have been known to keep snapshots of graffiti taped to their computer monitors.
众所周知，警察会将涂鸦快照贴在电脑显示器上。
And for a while, Lt.
有一段时间，中尉。
Mona's screensaver was a piece by a notorious writer named Lee.
莫娜的屏保是一位名叫李的臭名昭著的作家的作品。
They study a writer's work, learn his style and habits.
他们研究作家的作品，了解他的风格和习惯。
They follow them to and from their houses.
他们跟随他们进出他们的家。
They know where they work.
他们知道自己在哪里工作。
They keep thick dossiers full of photos of different tags.
他们保存着厚厚的档案，里面装满了不同标签的照片。
Tags are what a graffiti writer writes, their graffiti alias.
标签是涂鸦作家所写的内容，是他们的涂鸦别名。
To most people, they barely look like English.
对于大多数人来说，它们看起来几乎不像英国人。
Vandal Squad cops are pretty much the only people in the city besides the writers who can read them.
除了作家之外，破坏者小队的警察几乎是城里唯一能读懂这些书的人。
In an odd way, a Vandal Squad cop can become a writer's biggest fan.
以一种奇怪的方式，破坏者小队的警察可以成为作家的最大粉丝。
But the writers know the cops, too.
但编剧们也认识警察。
Steve Mona is famous.
史蒂夫·莫娜很有名。
Although they don't keep files on him.
尽管他们没有保存他的档案。
They actually took my I.D.
他们实际上拿走了我的身份证
card photo, which was on the NYPD website and made a stencil out of it.
卡片照片，位于纽约警察局网站上，并用它制作了模板。
And that was getting stenciled all over the place.
这一切都被印在了各处。
I've had stuff written about me, about my sexual orientation and things like that.
我写过一些关于我、关于我的性取向之类的东西。
The first time it happened, I was offended by it.
第一次发生这种事时，我感到很生气。
And then a chief who I worked for at the time said, if they're writing your name instead of their own, you're doing a good job.
然后我当时工作的一位主管说，如果他们写的是你的名字而不是他们自己的名字，那么你就做得很好。
And that's not all.
这还不是全部。
I was talking about Mona with a graffiti writer that goes by the appetizing tag of Earsnot when this came up--
当我和一位被称为“厄斯诺特”的涂鸦作家谈论莫娜时，这个问题出现了——
I've seen his Friendster thing.
我见过他的 Friendster 事。
I know somebody else did that.
我知道其他人也这么做过。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
He has a Friendster page?
他有 Friendster 页面吗？
Earsnot There was a Friendster page of this cop with a mustache that looked-- and it said Mona.
厄斯诺特在 Friendster 页面上看到了这个留着小胡子的警察，上面写着“莫娜”。
Somebody was putting up stencils of that.
有人把它的模板贴出来了。
It was obviously a character that somebody else created about him.
这显然是别人为他创造的一个角色。
After he told me about the Friendster page, I looked it up.
在他告诉我有关 Friendster 页面的信息后，我查了一下。
It is actually a photo of Mona lifted from the Vandal Squad website.
这实际上是从破坏者小队网站上盗取的莫娜的照片。
Among his listed hobbies are spray paint, markers, Rikers Island, and ruining a kid's life who just wants to have some fun.
他列出的爱好包括喷漆、记号笔、赖克斯岛，以及毁掉一个只想找点乐子的孩子的生活。
Graffiti writers actually give specific cops nicknames, like Bongos, whose name is a play on his actual name, Bogliole.
涂鸦作家实际上给特定的警察起了绰号，比如 Bongos，他的名字是根据他的真名 Bogliole 改编的。
Or Iceman, who looked like the character from Top Gun .
或者冰人，他看起来像《壮志凌云》中的角色。
And then there were Tom and Jerry, because their names were, in fact, Tom and Jerry like the cat and the mouse.
然后是《汤姆和杰瑞》，因为他们的名字实际上就是《汤姆和杰瑞》，就像猫和老鼠一样。
First of all, let me just say, every time I've gotten chased, I've gotten away.
首先我要说的是，每次我被追的时候，我都逃脱了。
So I have a 100% record of running and getting away.
所以我有100%的逃跑记录。
Is there an enjoyable aspect to the fact that the cops are looking for you and after you?
警察正在寻找你并追捕你，这件事有令人愉快的一面吗？
It feels good to be wanted.
被通缉的感觉真好。
No matter what anybody says, no matter how-- what kind of want it is.
不管任何人说什么，不管它是怎样的愿望。
It's dope.
这是毒品。
They want to get me.
他们想得到我。
It's Bonnie and Clyde, it's Wilt Chamberlain.
这是邦妮和克莱德，这是威尔特·张伯伦。
They just want you.
他们只是想要你。
One strange thing about this game is that it's actually really hard to convict anyone for writing graffiti.
这款游戏的一个奇怪之处在于，实际上很难因涂鸦而定罪。
The police can't just know who you are.
警察不能只知道你是谁。
They have to catch you in the act.
他们必须当场抓住你。
And if they do, they can only charge you with that one offense, even if they know you've blanketed all of Brooklyn with that exact same tag.
如果他们这样做了，他们只能指控你一项罪行，即使他们知道你已经用完全相同的标签覆盖了整个布鲁克林。
Once you're in court, most judges don't take graffiti very seriously.
一旦你上了法庭，大多数法官都不会认真对待涂鸦。
Even the biggest cases tend to end in community service or probation.
即使是最大的案件也往往以社区服务或缓刑结束。
Still, every major graffiti writer has been arrested multiple times.
尽管如此，每位主要的涂鸦作家都曾多次被捕。
Not long ago, Earsnot gave the cops a little gift by giving an interview in a graffiti documentary called Infamy .
不久前，厄斯诺特在一部名为《Infamy》的涂鸦纪录片中接受采访，给了警察一份小礼物。
It hasn't been released.
它还没有被释放。
And even the director doesn't know how it ended up in the Vandal Squad's hands.
就连导演也不知道它是如何落入破坏者小队手中的。
Here's the clip that got him in trouble.
这是给他带来麻烦的剪辑。
Do it in day time, midtown, easy.
白天做，市中心，简单。
People in suits are like, mmh, I didn't see that.
穿西装的人会说，嗯，我没看到。
He's walking down the street in broad daylight, tagging mailboxes, windows and doors with a fat silver marker.
他在光天化日之下走在街上，用粗大的银色记号笔在邮箱、窗户和门上做标记。
I like it, especially when I can see the cop and I'm like, catching my tag and then, uh-huh, and done.
我喜欢这样，尤其是当我看到警察时，我就像抓住了我的标签，然后，嗯嗯，完成了。
Circle.
圆圈。
Underline.
强调。
Star.
星星。
We knew who he was.
我们知道他是谁。
He's doing his tag in the video.
他正在视频中做标签。
That's Lt.
那是中尉。
Mona.
莫娜。
Steve Mona We have him doing the graffiti on video.
史蒂夫·莫纳（Steve Mona）我们让他在视频中进行涂鸦。
This is the nature of me and most of the [?
这是我和大多数人的本性[?
freedom ?] writers.
自由？]作家。
You don't want anybody telling you what to do.
你不想让任何人告诉你该做什么。
You want to [BLEEP] break the law.
你想[哔]违法。
You want to take that chance of getting caught and you love it.
你想抓住这个被抓住的机会，并且你喜欢这样。
And you love [BLEEP] with them and being like, I'm going to do it again and again.
你喜欢和他们一起[BLEEP]并且就像，我会一次又一次地这样做。
The officers watched and then they stopped the video.
警察观看后停止了视频。
OK, we got a street sign.
好的，我们看到了路牌。
OK, I know the neighborhood.
好的，我知道这个街区。
And then just let me drive.
然后就让我开车。
I drive up one street then down the next street and up the one street until they found those particular locations.
我沿着一条街道行驶，然后沿着下一条街道行驶，沿着一条街道行驶，直到他们找到那些特定的位置。
And he was arrested.
他被捕了。
Brian Thomas Gallagher The case is still open, though, and Snot's holding out.
布莱恩·托马斯·加拉格尔（Brian Thomas Gallagher） 不过，此案仍悬而未决，而斯诺特则坚持不懈。
I talk to him in the same exact store that he walks into on the video, the same exact store where he was arrested.
我在视频中他走进的同一家商店里与他交谈，也是他被捕的同一家商店。
And he explained it all this way.
他是这样解释的。
They saw someone who looked like me doing something in a movie and they just assumed that they were going to arrest me and everything was going to be all right.
他们在电影中看到一个长得像我的人在做某事，他们只是以为他们会逮捕我，然后一切都会好起来的。
I can see where you are.
我可以看到你在哪里。
So I know that I'm not getting caught.
所以我知道我不会被抓住。
You know what I'm saying?
你知道我在说什么吗？
The person in the video is either Earsnot or someone wearing a meticulously well-realized Earsnot costume.
视频中的人要么是厄斯诺特，要么是穿着精心制作的厄斯诺特服装的人。
Then there's a graffiti writer who managed to evade the police longer than anyone else.
还有一位涂鸦作家，他逃避警察追捕的时间比任何人都长。
The guy whose tag was Revs.
那个标签是 Revs 的人。
Revs accomplished one of the most extensive and sustained graffiti projects of all time.
Revs 完成了有史以来最广泛、最持续的涂鸦项目之一。
He didn't just bomb as many walls as he could.
他不仅炸毁了尽可能多的墙壁。
He didn't just write his name.
他不只写了自己的名字。
He wrote his entire autobiography on New York City itself, on the walls of the subway tunnels.
他在地铁隧道的墙壁上写下了关于纽约市的整部自传。
Down there, between the stations, he would paint a swath of wall white, say 4 feet by 10.
在下面的车站之间，他会把一块墙漆成白色，比如 4 英尺 x 10 英尺。
And then on the white patch, he would write in black spray paint-- page after page-- telling his life story in the dark, in a place where no one would read it.
然后，他会在白色的补丁上，用黑色喷漆一页一页地书写，在黑暗中、在一个没有人会读到的地方讲述他的人生故事。
The pages are signed, numbered and dated.
这些页面均已签名、编号和日期。
There are 235 of them, one between almost any two stations in the city.
共有 235 个车站，几乎在该市的任何两个车站之间都有一个车站。
I've seen a few dozen and they are quite moving and impressive.
我见过几十个，它们非常感人且令人印象深刻。
Even Lt.
甚至中尉。
Mona thought they were interesting.
莫娜觉得它们很有趣。
Little poems, he called them.
他称之为小诗。
For years, it was a mystery, even to the cops, how he did it and who he was, how he got a roller, a ladder, and a bucket of paint into the tunnels at night, all while dodging trains and cops and track workers.
多年来，即使对警察来说，他是如何做到这一点的，他是谁，他是如何在夜间带着滚轮、梯子和一桶油漆进入隧道的，同时还要躲避火车、警察和轨道工人，这都是一个谜。
Cops would read the pages for biographical details, like page two, where Revs gives the date of his birth and the name of the Brooklyn hospital where he was delivered, Victory Memorial in Bay Ridge.
警察会阅读这些页面以获取传记详细信息，例如第二页，雷夫斯在其中提供了他的出生日期以及他出生的布鲁克林医院的名称，即湾岭胜利纪念医院的名称。
He was 8 pounds, 13 ounces.
他体重 8 磅 13 盎司。
A C-section.
剖腹产。
This went on for years, the Vandal Squad chasing him the whole time.
这种情况持续了很多年，破坏者小队一直在追捕他。
Finally, he was caught in the act, arrested, charged, and convicted, not only with graffiti and trespassing, but also possession of stolen property, which he was wearing.
最后，他当场被捕、被逮捕、被指控并被定罪，罪名不仅包括涂鸦和非法侵入，还包括持有他所穿着的被盗财物。
A stolen subway worker's uniform, that's how he was able to evade the police all those years.
偷来的地铁工作人员制服，让他这些年得以躲避警方的追捕。
Everybody who saw him with the buckets of paint just thought he belonged down there.
每个看到他提着油漆桶的人都认为他属于那里。
The officer who caught and interrogated him, James Bogliole-- the one graffiti writers call Bongos-- has probably read more of his pages than any non-writer.
逮捕并审问他的警官詹姆斯·博格利奥尔（James Bogliole）——被涂鸦作家称为“邦戈斯”（Bongos）的人——可能比任何非作家读过更多的他的书页。
He told me he'd spent so long chasing Revs, piecing him together, sort of forming him in his mind, that it came to be that he understood him a little.
他告诉我，他花了很长时间追逐雷夫斯，将他拼凑在一起，在脑海中塑造了他的形象，以至于他对他有了一点了解。
Revs turned out to be a 33-year-old ironworker from a working class neighborhood, not so different, really, from any of the cops pursuing him.
雷夫斯原来是一名来自工人阶级社区的 33 岁钢铁工人，实际上与追捕他的警察没有太大不同。
Brian Thomas Gallagher is a senior editor at Topic magazine.
布莱恩·托马斯·加拉格尔 (Brian Thomas Gallagher) 是《Topic》杂志的高级编辑。
Well, our program today was produced by Alex Blumberg and myself, with Diane Cook, Jane Feltes, Sarah Koenig, Amy O'Leary, and Lisa Pollak.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由 Alex Blumberg 和我本人以及 Diane Cook、Jane Feltes、Sarah Koenig、Amy O'Leary 和 Lisa Pollak 制作的。
Our senior producer's Julie Snyder, Elizabeth Meister runs our website.
我们的高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德 (Julie Snyder) 和伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。
Production help from Sam Hallgren, Thea Chaloner, Seth Lind, Tommy Andres.
Sam Hallgren、Thea Chaloner、Seth Lind、Tommy Andres 为制作提供帮助。
Music help from Jessica Hopper.
杰西卡·霍珀的音乐帮助。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] David Sedaris Hey, everybody, I got a little story to tell.
[资金来源] David Sedaris 嘿，大家好，我有一个小故事要讲。
Oh, WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia who, I guess, has something he wants to share with everybody.
哦，WBEZ 的管理监督是 Torey Malatia，我想他有一些东西想与大家分享。
I'm a cat, all right?
我是一只猫，好吗？
I'm a cat and I'm a-- and I'm an alcoholic.
我是一只猫，我是一个酒鬼。
You happy now?
你现在幸福吗？
Hello, Torey.
你好，托雷。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life .
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。