296: After the Flood - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass In the coming weeks and months, we're all going to be hearing so much about Hurricane Katrina, and why the government's response was so abysmal.
序言 Ira Glass 在接下来的几周和几个月里，我们都会听到很多有关卡特里娜飓风的信息，以及为什么政府的反应如此糟糕。
And already, the blame shifting is like this prize fight that's already in its third or fourth round.
而且，责任转移就像这场已经进入第三轮或第四轮的奖金争夺战一样。
Already we've heard officials try to shrug off any attempts at accountability by saying that it's too soon, by saying they're not going to play the blame game.
我们已经听到官员们试图摆脱任何追究责任的企图，称现在还为时过早，并表示他们不会玩指责游戏。
And before the million details and arguments and counterarguments start to make all of our heads woozy, I would just like to repeat here something that was talked about very briefly this week.
在数以百万计的细节、争论和反驳开始让我们所有人头晕目眩之前，我想在这里重复一下本周非常简短地讨论过的事情。
One of those things that seems so fundamental, that seems to cut through a lot of the supposed debate that's happening and end it definitively.
其中一件事情看起来非常重要，它似乎消除了许多正在发生的所谓的辩论并最终结束了它。
So much so, that when I would see people on TV posturing and trotting out their talking points, I kept wanting to go back and say no, no, no, no, no, don't forget this thing.
以至于当我在电视上看到人们摆出架势、炫耀他们的谈话要点时，我一直想回去说不，不，不，不，不，不要忘记这件事。
It has to do with the biggest argument out there right now, whether the federal government was, in fact, supposed to be in charge of rescuing people and getting food and water and all that into New Orleans, which has come up a lot.
这与目前最大的争论有关，即联邦政府实际上是否应该负责救援人员以及向新奥尔良提供食物和水等，这一点已经出现了很多次。
Like when the head of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, was asked by Tim Russert on Meet The Press, since you knew the storm was coming, why didn't you get buses and trains and planes and trucks in there to evacuate?
就像国土安全部负责人迈克尔·切尔托夫在接受媒体采访时被蒂姆·鲁瑟特问到，既然你知道风暴即将来临，为什么不让公共汽车、火车、飞机和卡车在那里撤离？
Chertoff said it wasn't his job.
切尔托夫说这不是他的工作。
Tim, the way that emergency operations act under the law is the responsibility and the power, the authority, rests with state and local officials.
蒂姆，紧急行动的依法行事方式是州和地方官员的责任和权力。
This idea, that it was state and local officials who are the ones who blew it, not the feds, this idea is all over the place, from the talking heads on TV to Rush Limbaugh.
这种想法是，是州和地方官员搞砸了，而不是联邦政府，这种想法随处可见，从电视上的谈话人物到拉什·林博(Rush Limbaugh)。
What we had down there was an eminent failure of state and local government.
我们所面临的是州和地方政府的明显失败。
We had incompetence in the mayor's office, incompetence in the governor's office.
我们市长办公室无能，州长办公室无能。
And sure, it is clear, even this early, that there are plenty of things that state and local government did to screw things up.
当然，很明显，即使这么早，州和地方政府也做了很多事情来把事情搞砸。
But here's this thing that I read this week, this thing that I kept thinking about all week.
但这是我本周读到的，这是我整个星期都在思考的事情。
It really comes down to a couple of basic facts.
这实际上取决于几个基本事实。
The Governor of Louisiana declares a state of emergency the Friday before the storm hits, calls on the federal government to step in.
路易斯安那州州长在风暴袭击前的周五宣布进入紧急状态，呼吁联邦政府介入。
Then President Bush officially declares a state of emergency in Louisiana the next day, Saturday before the storm, and authorizes the Federal Emergency Management Agency to act.
然后，布什总统于第二天，即风暴前的星期六，正式宣布路易斯安那州进入紧急状态，并授权联邦紧急事务管理局采取行动。
You can read the paper where he does this on the White House website.
您可以在白宫网站上阅读他这样做的论文。
Basically, that should have settled who was in charge.
基本上，这应该已经决定了谁负责。
After that happened, there was plenty of authority.
事情发生之后，就有了足够的权威。
There was all the authority in the world.
那里有世界上所有的权威。
We checked out this idea that, from that point the federal government was in fact in charge.
我们检验了这个想法，即从那时起联邦政府实际上负责。
We checked that out with several different experts and consultants on these issues this week, and they all agreed that the law is unambiguous.
本周，我们就这些问题与几位不同的专家和顾问进行了核实，他们都同意该法律是明确的。
This particular guy is William Nicholson, author of the books Emergency Response, and Emergency Management Law and Homeland Security Law and Policy.
这个人就是威廉·尼克尔森，他是《紧急响应》、《紧急管理法》和《国土安全法与政策》等书的作者。
And if you're into Homeland Security policy, you might want to check those out.
如果您对国土安全政策感兴趣，您可能想了解一下这些政策。
He says that once the governor asks for help, and the President declares a state of emergency, the feds basically have the broad powers to do what's necessary.
他说，一旦州长寻求帮助并且总统宣布进入紧急状态，联邦政府基本上就拥有广泛的权力来采取必要的行动。
And, he says, even if the President hadn't declared a state of emergency, the Head of the Department of Homeland Security, Chertoff, could have acted.
他说，即使总统没有宣布进入紧急状态，国土安全部部长切尔托夫也可能采取行动。
There's this whole newfangled way for him to take emergency powers under something called The National Response Plan.
根据所谓的“国家应对计划”，他有一种全新的方式来获得紧急权力。
Well, basically the way it works is, the Secretary of Homeland Security designates this as a catastrophic incident, and federal resources deploy to preset federal locations, or staging areas.
嗯，基本上它的工作方式是，国土安全部部长将其指定为灾难性事件，并将联邦资源部署到预设的联邦地点或集结区域。
So they don't even have to have a local or state declaration in order to move forward with this.
因此，他们甚至不需要有地方或州声明即可推进这一进程。
In other words, it doesn't matter what the governor says, it doesn't matter what the local people say, basically once that happens, they can just go ahead and do what needs to be done to fix the problem?
换句话说，不管州长说什么，不管当地人说什么，基本上一旦发生这种情况，他们就可以继续做需要做的事情来解决问题？
That's correct.
这是正确的。
It's utterly clear that they had the authority to preposition assets, and to significantly accelerate the federal response.
很明显，他们有权预先部署资产，并显着加快联邦政府的反应速度。
And they didn't need to wait for the state?
而且他们不需要等待国家？
They did not need to wait for the state.
他们不需要等待国家。
Remember, you heard it here first.
请记住，您首先在这里听到的。
Remember you heard it at all.
请记住您确实听到过。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
好吧，这是芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, we have stories in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.
今天，我们的节目将讲述新奥尔良卡特里娜飓风过后的故事。
One of the things that all of us who work on the radio show thought we could do today during this hour is give people who were in the storm more time than daily news shows could give, to tell their stories and talk about what happened, talk about what they're thinking now.
我们所有广播节目工作人员认为今天这一个小时我们可以做的一件事就是给风暴中的人们比每日新闻节目更多的时间，讲述他们的故事，谈论发生的事情，谈论他们现在的想法。
We have somebody who was at the convention center, who tells, among other things, the story that her mom wants you to hear, plus one thing she says is being widely misreported and misunderstood in the coverage of the convention center and what happened there.
我们有一个在会议中心的人，她讲述了她妈妈想让你听的故事，还有她说的一件事，在会议中心和那里发生的事情的报道中被广泛误报和误解。
We also have somebody who police prevented from leaving the city.
我们还有人被警察阻止离开这座城市。
And we have a teenager who explains just what it actually feels like to go without water for two days, and more.
我们有一位青少年向我们解释了两天或更长时间没有水的实际感觉。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act one, Middle Of Somewhere.
第一幕，某处的中间。
Well, when Denise Moore finally made her way out of New Orleans, she had been at the convention center, she was surprised to see the coverage.
好吧，当丹尼斯·摩尔最终离开新奥尔良时，她正在会议中心，她很惊讶地看到了这些报道。
I kept hearing the word animal, and I didn't see animals.
我一直听到动物这个词，但我没有看到动物。
We were trapped like animals, but I saw the greatest humanity I've never seen from the most unlikely places.
我们像动物一样被困住，但我在最不可能的地方看到了我从未见过的最伟大的人性。
Denise Moore eventually ended up at the convention center with her mom, her niece, and her niece's two year old daughter.
丹尼斯·摩尔最终和她的妈妈、她的侄女以及她侄女的两岁女儿一起来到了会议中心。
But the day before the storm, because Denise's mom worked at Memorial Hospital in New Orleans, and because hospital employees are allowed to stay there during hurricanes, all of them went to the hospital.
但在风暴前一天，由于丹妮丝的妈妈在新奥尔良纪念医院工作，而且医院员工被允许在飓风期间留在那里，所以所有人都去了医院。
They were given a room to stay in, but later they were kicked out of the room for two white nurses.
他们得到了一个房间住，但后来因为两名白人护士而被赶出了房间。
Yeah, so I got really mad.
是的，所以我真的很生气。
So I went home.
于是我回家了。
So I went to the house.
于是我就去了那所房子。
I set up my twin bed in the hallway.
我在走廊里摆好了我的单人床。
The hallway, supposedly structurally, is the best place to be if the building is going to be moving around if there's high winds.
从结构上讲，如果建筑物在大风中要移动，那么走廊是最好的地方。
And good thing I did.
我做了一件好事。
Somewhere around 5 o'clock in the morning, I jumped up out of bed.
凌晨五点左右，我从床上跳了起来。
The ceiling started crashing down around me.
我周围的天花板开始崩塌。
I was riding that bed like a horse.
我像马一样骑在床上。
I was so scared.
我很害怕。
I had never been that scared for that long.
我从来没有这么害怕过那么久。
We lived on the second floor, so I was scared it was going to fall through.
我们住在二楼，所以我担心它会掉下来。
That even in the hallways, that the building was swaying so much that I'd fall through the floor and end up injured down there, and nobody would find me.
即使在走廊里，建筑物也摇晃得厉害，以至于我会从地板上掉下来并最终受伤，而且没有人会找到我。
Next thing I know, the water is pouring through the ceiling.
接下来我知道的是，水从天花板倾泻而下。
And people were calling on the phone, you should have stayed at the hospital.
人们打电话说你应该留在医院。
It was ridiculous.
这太荒谬了。
I was scared fearing for my life for eight full hours.
整整八个小时我都在担心自己的生命安全。
My heart was in my throat.
我的心提到了嗓子眼。
I was like, when this is over, I'm going back to the hospital.
我当时想，等这一切结束后，我就回医院。
And so I went back to the hospital.
于是我又回到了医院。
Can I ask you, before you tell what happens next, why not just evacuate?
我能问一下，在你说出接下来会发生什么之前，为什么不直接撤离呢？
Well, first of all, my Mom is essential personnel, so she couldn't leave.
嗯，首先，我妈妈是重要人员，所以她不能离开。
I don't have a car, so I couldn't leave.
我没有车，所以无法离开。
My niece was going to go with her mother, but we didn't want them to get trapped on the highway in the storm with the baby.
我的侄女本来打算和她妈妈一起去，但我们不想让他们带着孩子被困在暴风雨中的高速公路上。
So we thought it would be safer to just stay at the hospital, because we rode out the last hurricane at home, but we sent my niece to the hospital with her baby.
所以我们认为留在医院会更安全，因为我们在家里度过了最后一场飓风，但我们把我的侄女和她的孩子送到了医院。
That's just been the way it goes, the hospital was the safest place to be if you were going to stay in the city.
事情就是这样，如果你要留在城里，医院是最安全的地方。
So you walk back to the hospital, and what do you find there?
所以你走回医院，你在那里发现了什么？
Well, there's a lot of people roaming around with their kids, and we're sharing food, and we're having a good old time just waiting for a chance to go back home.
嗯，有很多人带着他们的孩子到处闲逛，我们正在分享食物，我们正在度过一段美好的时光，只是等待有机会回家。
Then the levees broke.
然后堤坝决堤了。
And the next morning, I was able to go back to the house, because I wanted to pick up my degrees, I earned them.
第二天早上，我能够回到家，因为我想获得学位，我赢得了学位。
I wanted to make sure they weren't wet.
我想确保它们没有湿。
And frankly, I was looking for a carton of cigarettes that I knew was in that house somewhere.
坦白说，我正在寻找一盒香烟，我知道它就在那所房子里的某个地方。
I found the cigarettes.
我找到了香烟。
Ira Glass And were they dry?
Ira Glass 它们干了吗？
And I found my degrees.
我找到了我的学位。
And I grabbed my vital papers, my social security card, my-- none of that was wet, because it was in a little purse.
我抓起了我的重要文件，我的社会保障卡，我的——这些东西都没有湿，因为它在一个小钱包里。
And I brought my vital papers back to the hospital, and my mom is saying, we're going to go back to the house to go get theirs.
我把我的重要文件带回医院，我妈妈说，我们要回家去拿他们的文件。
But the water started rising, so within a couple of hours, you weren't able to get back to the house.
但水位开始上涨，所以几个小时之内，你就无法回到房子了。
It just kept rising.
它一直在上涨。
We thought, OK, now we're trapped in here, and we don't know how high this water is going to get.
我们想，好吧，现在我们被困在这里了，我们不知道水位会涨到多高。
So it finally covered the basement, so the generators went out.
所以它最终覆盖了地下室，所以发电机停了。
It covered the first floor.
它覆盖了一楼。
And when you say cover the first floor, was it actually coming inside the hospital building?
当你说覆盖一楼时，它实际上是在医院大楼内吗？
Yeah.
是的。
So the heartbreaking thing was watching them turn people away who had waded through that water to get to the hospital for safe haven.
因此，令人心碎的是看着他们将那些涉水前往医院避难的人拒之门外。
It was amazing.
太棒了。
It was heartbreaking.
真是令人心碎。
How often do you see that?
您多久会看到这样的情况？
Denise Moore That happened over and over again.
丹尼斯·摩尔 这样的事一再发生。
The person who sticks out most in my mind is a man who had his wife and his two children, and his baby-- his daughter was so dehydrated.
在我脑海中印象最深刻的人是一个男人，他有他的妻子和两个孩子，还有他的孩子——他的女儿严重脱水。
The people were yelling at him, you can't come in here.
人们对他大喊大叫，你不能进来。
We were on the smoking patio, which is on the second floor, so we saw them.
我们在二楼的吸烟露台上，所以我们看到了他们。
And we were yelling at them, man, leave the baby.
我们对他们大喊，伙计，离开孩子。
Man, leave the baby.
老公，留下孩子吧。
And he was like, I can't leave my baby.
他说，我不能离开我的孩子。
We don't have a house.
我们没有房子。
How am I going to find my baby if I leave him with you?
如果我把我的孩子留给你，我怎么才能找到他呢？
I don't know where you're going to take him.
我不知道你要带他去哪里。
I've been in this water for two days.
我已经在这水里呆了两天了。
It was just devastating to just see that.
看到这一点简直是毁灭性的。
We knew that nobody was going to be able to come up in there.
我们知道没有人能够进入那里。
And so the people on the smoking balcony, we would throw them water, and we tried to throw them food.
因此，对于那些在吸烟阳台上的人，我们会向他们扔水，并尝试向他们扔食物。
I don't know.
我不知道。
We don't know where he went.
我们不知道他去了哪里。
But I did find out later that they were letting in people with gunshot wounds and snake bites, so it wasn't like they turned everybody away.
但后来我确实发现他们允许有枪伤和蛇咬伤的人进来，所以他们并没有把所有人都拒之门外。
It was just that, I guess they were thinking we got 3,000 people in this hospital we have to evacuate, we cannot take on any more responsibility.
只是，我猜他们认为我们医院里有 3000 人，我们必须撤离，我们不能承担更多的责任。
So I understood why they had to turn them away.
所以我明白为什么他们必须把他们拒之门外。
It was just heartbreaking to see.
看到这真是令人心碎。
So you are in hospital until-- and there's no power in the hospital, but there's water, and it sounds like there's food too.
所以你在医院直到——医院里没有电，但是有水，而且听起来也有食物。
We didn't have water after that first night.
第一个晚上之后我们就没有水了。
Oh really?
哦真的吗？
Denise Moore Yeah, we ran out of everything, because people were sharing with each other, and we just thought we'd be able to go home in a minute.
丹尼斯·摩尔：是的，我们什么都用完了，因为人们互相分享，我们只是想一会儿就能回家。
That's the thing.
就是这样。
It's like, you survived the hurricane.
就像，你在飓风中幸存下来。
I was a happy camper, because I'd been more scared than I'd ever been in my life, and I walked out of there.
我是一个快乐的露营者，因为我一生中从未如此害怕过，然后我走出了那里。
So who knew?
那么谁知道呢？
So how long were you in the hospital?
那你住院多久了？
How many days?
几天？
When did you get out?
你什么时候出去的？
Two days, and then we were transported to that corner.
两天后，我们就被带到了那个角落。
And what we heard is that we were going to be dropped off by boat to a corner, and the buses will pick us up, and we'll be heading to Texas.
我们听说我们要乘船到一个角落，然后公共汽车会接我们，然后我们将前往德克萨斯州。
That's what we were told.
我们就是这么被告知的。
And then the buses come in and they take you where?
然后公共汽车进来并带你去哪里？
It wasn't buses.
这不是公共汽车。
The police had to commandeer vehicles.
警察不得不征用车辆。
They were asking people in the crowd if they knew how to drive trucks and buses.
他们询问人群中的人是否知道如何驾驶卡车和公共汽车。
They were stealing them.
他们正在偷它们。
The police had to steal vehicles.
警察不得不偷窃车辆。
And so it was totally different than what we anticipated.
所以这与我们的预期完全不同。
So wait, they're just taking any random truck and hotwiring it?
那么等等，他们只是随便开一辆卡车并对其进行热连线？
School buses.
校车。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass And so what was the vehicle that you got to the next place in?
Ira Glass 那么您到达下一个地点的车辆是什么？
What were you in?
你当时在什么地方？
Right, a locksmith?
对吧，锁匠？
Denise Moore Yeah, that happened to be driving around, and the police made him start taking us.
丹尼斯·摩尔 是的，那辆车碰巧在附近行驶，警察让他开始带我们去。
And then you go to where?
然后你去哪里？
Denise Moore We go to the convention center.
丹尼斯·摩尔 我们去会议中心。
And when we arrived, there were people all over the street, under the bridge.
当我们到达时，街上、桥下到处都是人。
And we're like, why are these people on the street?
我们想，为什么这些人会出现在街上？
Why aren't they in the convention center?
他们为什么不在会议中心？
And when we got there, people were saying, you don't want to go in there.
当我们到达那里时，人们说，你不想进去。
Did you go inside at all?
你到底进去了吗？
Denise Moore Not until the next day.
丹尼斯摩尔 直到第二天。
Yeah.
是的。
Denise Moore A sewer.
丹尼斯·摩尔 下水道。
A sewer, literally, because I had to use the bathroom, and I was like, where's the bathroom?
下水道，字面意思是，因为我必须使用浴室，我想，浴室在哪里？
So I went inside, the whole place was a bathroom.
于是我进去了，整个地方都是浴室。
I was stepping in feces, stepping in urine all over the carpets.
我踩着粪便，踩着尿液，地毯上到处都是。
I used to work as the convention center.
我曾经在会议中心工作过。
That was hard to see.
这很难看出。
It was a beautiful building.
那是一座美丽的建筑。
It was a toilet, and people were sitting close as they could to the doors, but the smell was overwhelming.
那是一个厕所，人们都尽可能靠近门坐着，但气味却很浓。
So then what do you do?
那么你该怎么办呢？
What's the best you can do?
你能做的最好的是什么？
I actually stopped eating the minute we got there.
事实上，我们一到那里我就停止吃饭了。
I wouldn't eat or drink anything, because I figured if you don't put nothing in, nothing's coming out.
我不会吃或喝任何东西，因为我想如果你不放任何东西进去，就什么也不会出来。
I was in the Army.
我在军队。
But even after that, I still had to use the bathroom.
但即使在那之后，我仍然不得不去洗手间。
It was ridiculous.
这太荒谬了。
So what I ended up doing was getting a cup, going behind a partition, having a guy guard me while I was relieving myself in a cup behind some partition at the convention center.
所以我最终做的就是拿了一个杯子，走到一个隔断后面，当我在会议中心某个隔断后面的杯子里小便时，让一个人看守我。
And I got all kinds of stuff on my feet.
我的脚上沾满了各种各样的东西。
Thank God it started raining, because I have a really sensitive nose.
感谢上帝，开始下雨了，因为我的鼻子非常敏感。
I was sitting down, and I could smell the crap on my feet.
我坐下来，闻到脚上的粪便味。
And where did you all sleep?
你们都睡在哪里？
Denise Moore We slept on the sidewalk.
丹尼斯·摩尔 我们睡在人行道上。
This place, there was trash all over the ground outside, and I was thinking, how are the girls going to even lay down with their babies?
这个地方，外面满地都是垃圾，我就想，女孩子们怎么带着孩子躺着呢？
There's not a spot that's clean, nothing.
没有一个地方是干净的，什么都没有。
There's nowhere to lay down.
没有地方可以躺下。
And then my mom wanted me to make sure I tell you, what they kept doing the whole time was tell us to line up for the buses that never came.
然后我妈妈要我确保告诉你，他们一直在做的就是告诉我们排队等候从未来过的公共汽车。
It was like they were doing drills every four hours.
就像他们每四个小时进行一次演习一样。
You all have to line up for the bus.
你们都必须排队乘公共汽车。
And if you bum rush the bus, they're just going to take off without you, and nobody is going to get to go anywhere.
如果你赶公交车，他们就会在没有你的情况下起飞，没有人能去任何地方。
You have to line up.
你必须排队。
You have to be in a straight line.
你必须走一条直线。
We're talking about old people in wheelchairs and women with babies in lines, waiting for buses that you know God damn well aren't coming, like they were playing with us.
我们谈论的是坐在轮椅上的老人和带着婴儿排队的妇女，等待公共汽车，但你知道天知道不会来，就像他们在玩弄我们一样。
I figured it out early in the morning, but what am I supposed to do?
我一早就想通了，但是我该怎么办呢？
Make an announcement?
发布公告？
The buses aren't coming.
公共汽车不会来。
And so I walked up to the so-called head guy in charge of our section, and I told him, I said, why do you have these people sitting out here in the sun, and you know these buses aren't coming?
所以我走到负责我们部门的所谓负责人那里，我告诉他，我说，为什么你让这些人坐在阳光下，而你知道这些公共汽车不会来？
The buses are coming.
公共汽车来了。
I said, you're just playing with us.
我说，你只是玩弄我们而已。
Who gives you the authority to keep lining us up like this, to stand in this heat?
谁给你的权力让我们一直这样排队，在这么热的天气里站着？
He was like, well, I know the guy who can make the call for the buses.
他说，好吧，我认识那个可以打电话叫公交车的人。
I said, well, why hasn't he called them?
我说，那他为什么不给他们打电话呢？
People are dying.
人们正在死去。
He said, I wish I could tell you what you wanted to hear.
他说，我希望我能告诉你你想听的话。
I said, I want to hear the truth.
我说，我想听真话。
Are the buses coming or not?
公交车来还是不来？
We need to get these old people and these babies out of this heat.
我们需要让这些老人和婴儿摆脱炎热。
And he just walked away, and we were left there, without help, without food, without water, without sanitary conditions, as if it's perfectly all right for these animals to reside in a fricking sewer like rats.
他就走开了，我们就被留在那里，没有帮助，没有食物，没有水，没有卫生条件，好像这些动物像老鼠一样住在该死的下水道里是完全可以的。
Because there was nothing but black people back there.
因为那里除了黑人什么都没有。
[BLEEP] disposable.
[BLEEP] 一次性。
And then, the story became they left us here to die, they're going to kill us.
然后，故事变成了他们把我们留在这里等死，他们要杀了我们。
You mean that's what people were saying to each other?
你的意思是人们互相这么说？
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass And is that what you believed?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）那是你所相信的吗？
I was almost convinced, because I kept having a vision of them opening that floodgate on us, of my niece and her baby floating away from me screaming.
我几乎被说服了，因为我一直想象着他们向我们打开闸门，我的侄女和她的孩子尖叫着从我身边飘走。
And I just knew it.
我才知道。
And then the next morning, I heard from somebody that they actually were going to open that floodgate.
第二天早上，我从某人那里听说他们实际上要打开闸门。
So by the time the rumor started that the National Guard was going to kill us, I almost halfway believed it.
所以当国民警卫队要杀了我们的谣言开始出现时，我几乎半信半疑了。
And so people were saying, basically they just brought us here, they're going to leave us here to die?
所以人们说，基本上他们只是把我们带到这里，然后就把我们留在这里等死？
Yeah, that's what we thought.
是的，我们就是这么想的。
The police kept passing us by, and the National Guard kept passing us by with their guns pointed at us.
警察不断地从我们身边经过，国民警卫队不断地用枪指着我们。
When you see a truck full of water, and people have been crying for water for a day and a night, and the water truck passes you by, just keeps going, how are we supposed to believe that these people were here to help us?
当你看到一辆装满水的卡车，人们已经哭了一天一夜，而水车从你身边驶过，却继续前行，我们怎么能相信这些人是来帮助我们的呢？
It was almost like they were taunting us.
这几乎就像他们在嘲笑我们。
And then, don't forget they kept lining us up for buses that never showed up.
然后，别忘了他们一直让我们排队等巴士，但巴士却从未出现。
We thought they were playing with us in a best case scenario.
我们认为他们是在最好的情况下和我们一起玩。
In a worst case scenario, they wanted us to either kill each other or die.
在最坏的情况下，他们希望我们要么互相残杀，要么死去。
Or they were going to kill us.
或者他们要杀了我们。
So we keep hearing in the news about violence inside the convention center, and people getting killed, and women being raped.
因此，我们不断在新闻中听到有关会议中心内的暴力事件、人们被杀、妇女被强奸的消息。
Did you know about any of that when you were there?
当你在那里的时候你知道这些吗？
The convention center is section A through J, I believe.
我相信会议中心位于 A 区到 J 区。
We were about at H, and we could hear kind of craziness going on on the further ends in either direction.
我们大约在 H 处，我们可以听到在两个方向的更远的一端正在发生某种疯狂的声音。
But where we are was mostly old people and women with children, and I didn't see anybody get raped.
但我们那里主要是老人和带着孩子的妇女，我没有看到有人被强奸。
I did see people die.
我确实看到人们死去。
I saw one man die, and I saw a girl and her baby die.
我看到一个男人死了，我看到一个女孩和她的孩子死了。
But I didn't see anybody getting hurt.
但我没有看到有人受伤。
And talk about, there were men just kind of like roaming with guns, packs of men.
说说吧，有些人就像带着枪四处游荡，成群结队。
They were securing the area.
他们正在保护该地区。
Criminals, these guys were criminals, they were.
罪犯，这些人就是罪犯，他们就是。
But somehow these guys got together, figured out who had guns, and decided they were going to make sure that no women were getting raped, because we did hear about the women get raped in the Superdome, and that nobody was hurting babies, and nobody was hurting these old people.
但不知何故，这些人聚集在一起，弄清楚谁有枪，并决定他们要确保没有妇女被强奸，因为我们确实听说过妇女在超级圆顶体育馆被强奸，没有人伤害婴儿，也没有人伤害这些老人。
They were the ones getting juice for the babies.
他们是给婴儿喝果汁的人。
They were the ones getting clothes for people that walked through that water.
他们为走过那片水域的人们提供衣服。
They were the ones fanning the old people, because that's what moved the guys, the gangster guys the most, the plight of the old people.
他们是给老人扇风的，因为这才是最感动这些家伙的，那些黑帮家伙，老人的困境。
That's what haunted me the most, seeing those old people sitting in them chairs, and not being able to get up and walk around or nothing.
这是最困扰我的事情，看到那些老人坐在椅子上，无法站起来走动，或者什么也没有。
And so these were just guys from the neighborhood?
那么这些只是附近的人？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Ira Glass What else were they doing?
艾拉·格拉斯 他们还做了什么？
They started looting on Saint Charles and Napoleon.
他们开始抢劫圣查尔斯和拿破仑。
There was a Rite-Aid there.
那里有一个仪式援助。
And you would think that they would be stealing stuff that, you know, fun stuff or whatever, because it's a free city, according to them.
你会认为他们会偷东西，你知道，有趣的东西或其他什么，因为据他们说，这是一个自由的城市。
But they were taking juice for the baby, water, beer for the older people, food, raincoats so that they could all be seen by each other and stuff.
但他们为婴儿准备了果汁，为老年人准备了水、啤酒、食物、雨衣，以便彼此都能看到等等。
And I thought it was pretty cool and very well organized.
我觉得这很酷而且组织得很好。
And did you see this yourself, these guys?
这些家伙，你自己看到了吗？
Yeah, I was right there.
是的，我当时就在那里。
Ira Glass And so basically, they went off to this Rite-Aid, they got the stuff, they brought it back and started distributing it?
Ira Glass 所以基本上，他们去了这个 Rite-Aid，他们拿到了东西，他们把它带回来并开始分发？
Yeah, exactly like Robin Hood.
是的，就像罗宾汉一样。
And that's why I got so mad, because they're calling these guys animals.
这就是我如此生气的原因，因为他们称这些人为动物。
These guys.
这些家伙。
That's what got to me, because I know what they did.
这就是我的感受，因为我知道他们做了什么。
You're calling these people animals?
你把这些人称为动物？
Come on.
快点。
And I saw what they did, and I was really touched by it, and I liked the way that they were organized about it, and that they were thoughtful about it.
我看到了他们所做的事情，我真的被感动了，我喜欢他们组织这件事的方式，以及他们对此的深思熟虑。
Because they had families they couldn't find too, and that they would put themselves out like that on other people's behalf.
因为他们也有找不到的家人，所以他们会为了别人而这样把自己排除在外。
I never had a real high opinion of thugs myself.
我自己对暴徒从来没有真正的高评价。
But I tell you one thing, I'll never look at them the same way again.
但我告诉你一件事，我永远不会再以同样的方式看待他们。
Why didn't people just walk away?
为什么人们不直接走开？
That's what I don't understand.
这就是我不明白的地方。
We weren't allowed.
我们不被允许。
People kept trying to go up the bridge, so they could go to Algiers, and they'd be turned away, and they'd be sent back down.
人们一直试图走上桥，这样他们就可以去阿尔及尔，但他们会被拒绝，然后又被送回去。
And literally, they would just like go a couple streets away, and somebody would send them back?
从字面上看，他们只是想离开几条街，然后有人会把他们送回来？
They'd go up the bridge to go across to the West Bank where it was dry and lights were on.
他们走上桥，穿过约旦河西岸，那里天气干燥，灯火通明。
And the National Guard was up there with guns.
国民警卫队拿着枪在那里。
They turned them back with guns, and the Governor gave orders to shoot to kill.
他们用枪将他们击退，总督下令开枪杀人。
You couldn't get through them.
你无法通过他们。
So people would go up the bridge.
所以人们会走上桥。
Every time they lined us up for the buses, and buses wouldn't come, people in groups would go up the bridge, trying to get across the river.
每次他们给我们排队等公共汽车，而公共汽车不来的时候，人们就会三五成群地走上桥，试图过河。
People who had family across the river couldn't get across the river.
那些有家人在河对岸的人却无法过河。
They were not letting us out of there.
他们不让我们离开那里。
They wasn't letting nobody in.
他们不让任何人进来。
So we were trapped.
所以我们被困住了。
I can't even express it.
我什至无法表达。
The tears get close to my eyes, and I have this feeling in the pit in my stomach like if I start crying, the sobs will kill me.
泪水靠近我的眼睛，我的胃里有一种感觉，就像如果我开始哭泣，抽泣就会杀死我。
I guess someday it'll calm down, and I'll be able to just cry like a normal person.
我想有一天它会平静下来，我就能像正常人一样哭了。
But I feel like if I started crying, I'd never stop.
但我觉得如果我开始哭泣，我就永远不会停止。
Denise Moore, she's now in Baton Rouge, she's OK, she's just found a new job there.
丹尼斯摩尔，她现在在巴吞鲁日，她很好，她刚刚在那里找到了一份新工作。
[MUSIC - "WHEN THE LEVEE BREAKS" BY MEMPHIS MINNIE]
[音乐 - 孟菲斯·米妮的《当堤坝决堤时》]
Act Two, Forgotten, But Not Lost.
第二幕，被遗忘，但并未迷失。
Let's return to that bridge.
让我们回到那座桥。
You know that bridge that Denise talked about in act one, that people got to the bridge and they were turned back by armed police officers?
你知道丹尼斯在第一幕中谈到的那座桥吗？人们到达桥后被武装警察拦住了？
What exactly happened on that bridge?
那座桥上究竟发生了什么？
We wondered about that, and so in this act, we return to that bridge.
我们对此感到好奇，因此在这一幕中，我们回到了那座桥。
People in this story were in New Orleans for a paramedics convention.
这个故事中的人们在新奥尔良参加护理人员大会。
They're out of towners.
他们是外地人。
They were staying at a hotel in the French Quarter.
他们住在法国区的一家酒店。
And as the storm approached, there were no flights out of the city, there were no rental cars available.
随着暴风雨的临近，没有出城的航班，也没有可用的租车服务。
And so they stayed in their hotel, luckily their hotel let them stay.
于是他们就住进了他们的酒店，幸运的是他们的酒店让他们住了下来。
No electricity, eating boxed cereal, canned soup, whatever they had there in the hotel.
没有电，吃盒装麦片、罐头汤，无论酒店里有什么。
And then three days after Katrina hit, one of the hotel managers actually decided to take matters into his own hands, and took up a collection from his guests to raise $25,000 to charter a bunch of private buses to get these people out.
卡特里娜飓风袭击三天后，一位酒店经理实际上决定亲自处理此事，并从客人那里筹集了 25,000 美元，以包租一批私人巴士将这些人救出。
And so all that day, guests are getting reports that buses are coming, and all these reports.
所以这一天，客人都会收到巴士即将到来的报告，以及所有这些报告。
And they were told to line up and wait for the buses.
他们被告知要排队等候公共汽车。
And then five or six hours after they were told to line up and wait, around midnight they heard word that no, the buses had been commandeered by the military as they entered the city.
然后，在他们被告知排队等待五六个小时后，午夜左右，他们听到消息说，不，巴士在进入城市时已被军方征用。
OK, so the next morning, the hotel is out of food, they're out of water.
好吧，第二天早上，酒店没有食物了，也没有水了。
They basically said, everybody, you got to go now.
他们基本上是说，大家，你们现在必须走了。
Lorrie Beth Slonsky and her husband Larry Bradshaw, they're both paramedics from San Francisco, they set off with about 200 other hotel guests that morning for the command center that the police had set up down the street at Harrah's Casino.
洛丽·贝丝·斯隆斯基 (Lorrie Beth Slonsky) 和她的丈夫拉里·布拉德肖 (Larry Bradshaw) 都是来自旧金山的护理人员，当天早上，他们与其他大约 200 名酒店客人一起出发前往警方在 Harrah's 赌场沿街设立的指挥中心。
They go there and they asked the police, what should they do now?
他们去那里问警察，现在该怎么办？
Lorrie Beth talked to producer Alex Blumberg.
洛丽·贝丝与制片人亚历克斯·布隆伯格进行了交谈。
They said you can't go to the Superdome.
他们说你不能去超级巨蛋。
You cannot go to the convention center.
你不能去会议中心。
We said, where can we go?
我们说，我们能去哪里？
They said, we don't know.
他们说，我们不知道。
You are on your own.
你只能靠你自己了。
And that's when we decide, let's camp in front of the police command center in front of Harrah's.
就在那时我们决定，让我们在哈拉斯前面的警察指挥中心前扎营。
There'd be protection, we'd have each other until the next day.
会有保护，我们会一直拥有彼此直到第二天。
Then the police command center realized they had an issue on their hand.
然后警察指挥中心意识到他们遇到了问题。
They have 200 tourists in front of their command center, so he said, wait, I just heard word.
他们的指挥中心前有 200 名游客，所以他说，等等，我刚刚听到消息。
If you cross the bridge, there are buses.
过了桥就有公交车。
And a big cheer went up, but Larry, being the realist that he is, said wait a minute, wait a minute.
一阵欢呼声响起，但拉里，作为一个现实主义者，说等一下，等一下。
We have been lied to.
我们被骗了。
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, today is Thursday.
周一、周二、周三，今天是周四。
We really would like some guarantee that this is true.
我们确实希望得到一些保证，证明这是真的。
And he looked us in the eye and said, I swear to you.
他看着我们的眼睛说，我向你们发誓。
There are buses on the bridge.
桥上有公交车。
I just got word.
我刚刚得到消息。
Now where is the bridge at this point from where you're standing?
现在从你站的地方来看，桥在哪里？
It's two miles through town.
穿过城镇有两英里。
It's called the Pontchartrain Expressway.
它被称为庞恰特雷恩高速公路。
So the 200 of us little tourist types, with our pull along baggage, made our way through the rainy weather.
就这样，我们这200名小游客，带着随身行李，冒着大雨一路前行。
And you're all carrying your pull along baggage?
你们都带着随身行李吗？
I'm still carrying my pull along baggage, with our laptop, and our little Palm Pilot, and our little extra food, and everything.
我仍然带着我的随身行李，还有我们的笔记本电脑、我们的小掌上电脑、我们的额外食物以及所有东西。
So we are going through town, and people saw us and thought, hmm, here comes some folks.
所以我们穿过城镇，人们看到我们并想，嗯，有人来了。
They must know something, so our numbers doubled from probably 200, and then it doubled again, so we were probably about 800 to 1,000 people marching up to the bridge.
他们一定知道一些事情，所以我们的人数从大约 200 人增加了一倍，然后又增加了一倍，所以我们可能有大约 800 到 1,000 人向桥行进。
When we got to the bridge, there was the armed Gretna sheriffs, and they had formed a line at the foot of the bridge.
当我们到达桥时，格雷特纳的治安官全副武装，他们在桥下排成了一排。
So even before we could even explain what we wanted, or what we had heard, that's when they began firing the weapons.
因此，甚至在我们能够解释我们想要什么或我们听到什么之前，他们就开始开火了。
Gretna police shot at us and said, get away, get away.
格雷特纳警察向我们开枪并说，走开，走开。
You cannot come on the bridge.
你不能上桥。
This bridge goes across the Mississippi River to a town called Gretna in neighboring Jefferson Parish.
这座桥横跨密西西比河，到达邻近杰斐逊教区的一个名叫格雷特纳的小镇。
The entire region across the river is called the West Bank.
河对岸的整个地区称为西岸。
Debbie Zelinsky, a 24 year old sales agent from Boston, was another guest at the Monteleone.
来自波士顿的 24 岁销售代理黛比·泽林斯基 (Debbie Zelinsky) 是 Monteleone 酒店的另一位客人。
She'd been on vacation in New Orleans with a group of five, her friend Sharon and Rashida, Rashida's mother and 13 year old brother, and Rashida's brother's 15 year old friend.
她和五人一起在新奥尔良度假，其中包括她的朋友莎伦和拉什达、拉什达的母亲和 13 岁的弟弟，以及拉什达哥哥的 15 岁的朋友。
The cops were just firing into the air to get people back.
警察只是向空中开枪把人们救回来。
They had guns pointed in people's faces, telling them to get back down, or they will shoot you.
他们用枪指着人们的脸，告诉他们退后，否则他们就会开枪打死你。
And what was your thinking at that moment?
那一刻你在想什么？
What did you make of that?
你对此有何看法？
What were you thinking?
你在想什么？
At that point, it was pouring rain.
那时，天正下着倾盆大雨。
We were soaked through.
我们浑身湿透了。
I thought, I'm never getting out of here.
我想，我永远不会离开这里了。
If I am getting out of here, it's not going to be alive.
如果我离开这里，它就不会活着了。
Tears started rolling down my face at that point.
那一刻，泪水开始从我的脸上滚落。
It just sounds so crazy to me that there's like a bunch of tired people trying to walk out of a city, and people are shooting.
对我来说，这听起来太疯狂了，就像一群疲惫的人试图走出城市，而人们却在开枪。
Did it just seem insane to you?
你觉得这很疯狂吗？
It did.
确实如此。
I mean, here you have a six lane highway bridge, and there's barely any traffic going out, and you won't let pedestrians cross it?
我的意思是，这里有一座六车道的公路桥，几乎没有车辆出去，你就不让行人通过它？
Why?
为什么？
What did I really think?
我到底是怎么想的？
Or do you want--?
或者你想要——？
What I thought was are they serious?
我的想法是他们是认真的吗？
They must be mistaken.
他们一定是弄错了。
They could not be shooting at a group of desperate ass people.
他们不可能向一群绝望的混蛋开枪。
But apparently they were serious.
但显然他们是认真的。
But we were so desperate.
但我们是如此绝望。
We got to get out of here.
我们必须离开这里。
This is our only way out.
这是我们唯一的出路。
We can't go to the Superdome, we can't go to the convention center.
我们不能去超级巨蛋，我们不能去会议中心。
We're scared to death for our lives, and for the people around us lives, that we had to approach them.
我们对自己的生命以及周围的人的生命感到恐惧，我们不得不接近他们。
So my partner Larry had his badge with him, his fire department badge.
所以我的搭档拉里带着他的徽章，他的消防队徽章。
So he would raise it up, lay it on the ground, put our hands up, and walk backwards and say, may we approach?
所以他会把它举起来，放在地上，举起我们的手，然后倒退着说，我们可以走近吗？
And when we approached and had them in conversation, the sheriff informed us that there were no buses, that the police commander had lied to us.
当我们走近并与他们交谈时，治安官告诉我们没有公共汽车，警察指挥官对我们撒了谎。
And when Larry questioned, it's like, can we just ask you why we can't cross the bridge?
当拉里提问时，我们可以问你为什么我们不能过桥吗？
Because there was no traffic.
因为没有交通。
There was very little traffic on this six lane highway.
这条六车道高速公路上的车辆很少。
And they said that you are not crossing this bridge.
他们说你不会过这座桥。
We are not turning the West Bank into another Superdome.
我们不会把约旦河西岸变成另一个超级巨蛋。
And to us, when they said that was absolutely these are code words for, if you're poor and you're black, you are not getting out of New Orleans.
对我们来说，当他们说这绝对是暗语时，如果你很穷而且你是黑人，你就无法离开新奥尔良。
You are not coming to our territory.
你不会来我们的领土。
It does seem hard to avoid sort of talking about race here.
在这里似乎很难避免谈论种族。
Yes.
是的。
We're white, and everybody else that might-- most every other person was African American.
我们是白人，其他所有人——大多数人都是非裔美国人。
And that is what they saw, and that is what they were responding to, that this group of people of color were not going to come into their neighborhoods.
这就是他们所看到的，这就是他们的回应，这群有色人种不会进入他们的社区。
Lorrie Beth is kind of a take charge person from what we saw.
从我们的观察来看，洛丽·贝丝（Lorrie Beth）是一位负责人。
And we were like, well, we need to stick with someone.
我们就想，好吧，我们需要和某人在一起。
We don't know our way, what we're going to do, so we decided, hey, we're sticking with you.
我们不知道我们的路，我们要做什么，所以我们决定，嘿，我们和你在一起。
We're not leaving you.
我们不会离开你。
And glad we didn't.
很高兴我们没有。
Our small group of eight, and then other folks as well, we retreated back down Highway 90, and we were trying to find some shelter in the overpass.
我们一行八人，然后还有其他人，沿着 90 号高速公路撤退，试图在立交桥上寻找庇护所。
And then we had these discussions, God, what are we going to do?
然后我们进行了这些讨论，上帝，我们要做什么？
And what we decided to do was, there was this concrete embankment.
我们决定做的是，有这个混凝土路堤。
If you go onto the middle of Pontchartrain Expressway, there's a center divide.
如果您驶入 Pontchartrain 高速公路的中间，就会看到中间的分界线。
But with the center divide, there was two hunks of concrete that sort of make a nice enclave, and we thought, this will be perfect.
但在中心的分水岭上，有两块混凝土，形成了一个漂亮的飞地，我们认为，这将是完美的。
It's safe, and we'll be visible to everyone.
这是安全的，每个人都可以看到我们。
And certainly, someone's going to come rescue us, and that we'll have security by being on this elevated freeway.
当然，有人会来救我们，而且我们在这条高架高速公路上会有安全感。
And then we can wait for these buses that were certainly going to come get us.
然后我们就可以等待这些肯定会来接我们的公共汽车。
This group turned into about, I'd say about 60 or 70 people.
这个团体大约有 60 或 70 人。
And we cleaned up the area so it was safe for the children.
我们清理了该区域，确保孩子们安全。
And someone had a bag, and we cleaned that up.
有人有一个袋子，我们把它清理干净了。
And I said I had water, and someone else had water, and we kind of made this community.
我说我有水，其他人也有水，我们就建立了这个社区。
And this is when somebody-- blessed are the people who loot-- got a huge water truck they had stolen.
就在这时，有人——抢劫的人有福了——得到了他们偷来的一辆巨大的水车。
And he had a man and his wife and child, and they were African American, and they unloaded all the water that they had.
他有一个男人和他的妻子和孩子，他们是非裔美国人，他们卸下了所有的水。
So wait.
所以等等。
So a guy came up?
那么一个人就出现了？
A guy just came up to you?
刚刚有一个人向你走来？
A guy was escaping New Orleans.
一个人正在逃离新奥尔良。
And that's what it felt like, people were escaping New Orleans.
这就是人们逃离新奥尔良的感觉。
And he drove up to the middle of this Pontchartrain Expressway, drove right up to our encampment, because he saw like 70, 80, 90 people.
他开车到庞恰特雷恩高速公路的中间，直接开到我们的营地，因为他看到了大约 70、80、90 个人。
And he just took all the water out and gave it to us, and then filled the truck up back with human beings, as many older and children that we could get on with their parents on to this, and they drove away.
他把所有的水都拿出来给我们，然后把卡车装满了人，我们可以和他们的父母一起处理很多老人和孩子，然后他们就开走了。
And that is how we got water.
这就是我们获得水的方式。
What did he say to you?
他对你说什么了？
That's incredible.
那真是难以置信。
What did he say?
他说什么？
Good luck, brothers and sisters.
祝兄弟姐妹好运。
Good luck.
祝你好运。
We wish you the best.
我们祝您一切顺利。
We can only take what we can take.
我们只能拿走我们能拿走的东西。
And we thanked him, and off they go with the families.
我们向他表示感谢，然后他们就和家人一起出发了。
And then up the street quite a way, there is a National Guard truck that apparently took too sharp of a turn.
然后在街上走了很远的地方，有一辆国民警卫队卡车显然急转弯了。
And you can just see the food fall out of the-- c-rations fall out of this truck.
你可以看到食物从这辆卡车上掉下来。
So I mean, it just felt like it was phenomenal.
所以我的意思是，感觉就像是非凡的。
We commandeered a couple of the strong young guys and gals to run up there in the shopping carts that people had and gather up the boxes of food and bring it back.
我们征召了几个强壮的年轻人和女孩，开着人们拥有的购物车跑到那里，把一箱箱的食物收集起来带回来。
So you're set.
所以你已经准备好了。
Lorrie Beth Slonsky We were set.
洛丽·贝丝·斯隆斯基 我们已经准备好了。
We were set.
我们已经准备好了。
We had food, we had water.
我们有食物，有水。
We had some sort of shelter.
我们有某种庇护所。
We had a safe place for the kids.
我们为孩子们提供了一个安全的地方。
And then the kids took the plastic that the water was in, those big plastic containers that hold five gallon drums of water, and brought it over to like a storm drain, and set it up to make bathroom with privacy.
然后孩子们拿起装水的塑料容器，那些装着五加仑桶水的大塑料容器，把它像雨水渠一样放在一边，把它设置成有隐私的浴室。
And we took one of the five gallon containers of water, and the kids made a sign-- because we still had luggage at this point, in crayons and things-- and made a sign, please keep the bathroom clean.
我们拿了一个五加仑的水容器，孩子们做了一个标语——因为此时我们还有行李，里面有蜡笔之类的东西——并做了一个标语，请保持浴室清洁。
And we had toilet paper and handy wipes.
我们有卫生纸和方便的湿巾。
So you started with a group of eight, and then it grew to 70.
所以一开始是八人一组，后来增加到了 70 人。
Who were some of the stories of the people who are in this little encampment with you?
和你一起住在这个小营地的人有哪些故事？
Well, there was this older woman who was diabetic, and had soiled herself.
嗯，有一位患有糖尿病的老妇人，并且弄脏了自己。
But people came forward with a makeshift Depends diaper type thing.
但人们提出了一种临时的“取决于尿布”类型的东西。
And then there was just the cutest ding dang kids that would call me Auntie.
然后就是最可爱的叮当孩子们，他们会叫我阿姨。
They would be, Auntie wants the coffee.
他们会的，阿姨想要咖啡。
And they were very strict about the garbage, because we hung garbage bags on the rebar.
他们对垃圾非常严格，因为我们把垃圾袋挂在钢筋上。
So we were set up brilliantly, until just as it started to turn dark.
我们的布置非常出色，直到天色开始变暗。
A Gretna sheriff came up and just had that crazy look that, as a paramedic, when I see that crazy look, you just find a way to not come in front of that energy.
一位格雷特纳警长出现了，他的表情很疯狂，作为一名护理人员，当我看到那种疯狂的表情时，你就会找到一种方法来避免面对这种能量。
Because he had a gun, and he was pointing and screaming at us, get the [BLEEP] off this freeway.
因为他有枪，而且他指着我们大喊大叫，让[哔]离开这条高速公路。
Get the [BLEEP] off this freeway.
让[BLEEP]离开这条高速公路。
Like the most insane, crazed, frightened person ever.
就像有史以来最疯狂、最疯狂、最害怕的人一样。
And we had to leave this place of safety, and went into the dark.
我们不得不离开这个安全的地方，走进黑暗之中。
And it was martial law by this point, and we had heard it was a shoot to kill policy.
此时已经实行戒严令，我们听说这是射击杀人政策。
So everyone grabbed what they could, and we didn't know where we were going.
所以每个人都抓住了他们能抓住的东西，而我们不知道我们要去哪里。
As we were walking, we turned back and looked, and then you saw a helicopter come very close, and everything that we had had in there actually went flying, as the helicopter's wind took off.
当我们走着的时候，我们回头一看，然后你看到一架直升机离得很近，随着直升机的风起飞，我们在那里的所有东西实际上都飞了起来。
So like a police helicopter literally came down to where your camp had been and blew everything away?
就像一架警用直升机真的降落到你原来的营地并把一切都吹走了一样？
Right.
正确的。
Alex Blumberg And you think that was on purpose?
Alex Blumberg 你认为这是故意的吗？
Oh yeah.
哦，是的。
So we walked down the bridge, off the highway, and we actually found a bus, an abandoned bus.
所以我们走下桥，离开高速公路，我们实际上发现了一辆公共汽车，一辆废弃的公共汽车。
We had to actually boost someone into a window, because the door was locked.
我们不得不把人推到窗户上，因为门是锁着的。
And he unlocked the door from the inside.
然后他从里面打开了门。
We all got in.
我们都进去了。
It was right at dark.
当时正是天黑时。
It was becoming dark outside.
外面天已经黑了。
We all were told to lay down on the seats and do not lift your head for anything.
我们都被告知要躺在座位上，不要抬起头做任何事情。
Who told you that?
谁告诉你的？
Debbie Zelinsky My friend's mom.
黛比·泽林斯基 我朋友的妈妈。
She's like, don't sit up, don't lift your head.
她就像，不要坐起来，不要抬起头。
I don't care what you hear.
我不在乎你听到什么。
What was the fear?
恐惧是什么？
Debbie Zelinsky The fear was you could hear gunshots getting closer.
黛比·泽林斯基 (Debbie Zelinsky) 担心的是你会听到枪声越来越近。
You could hear people walking.
你可以听到人们走路的声音。
It was a fear of the gunshots.
这是对枪声的恐惧。
It was also a fear of the police.
这也是对警察的恐惧。
We were afraid they'd come.
我们担心他们会来。
They would probably kick us out, and we didn't want to be out when it was dark out.
他们可能会把我们赶出去，天黑的时候我们不想出去。
You could hear the-- I don't know if they were rats or what they were, but they were outside.
你可以听到——我不知道它们是老鼠还是什么，但它们在外面。
You could hear them.
你可以听到他们的声音。
I think I maybe slept 5 or 10 minutes.
我想我可能睡了 5 到 10 分钟。
The minute the sun came up, we were out of there.
太阳一升起，我们就离开了那里。
We left the bus.
我们下了巴士。
We left a note in the bus saying thank you, we're sorry.
我们在巴士上留下了一张纸条，说谢谢，我们很抱歉。
And we left.
然后我们就离开了。
We went up to the bridge to see if they'd let us cross.
我们走到桥上看看他们是否让我们过去。
Larry had contacted the president of our union and said, OK, we are at the fire department, John Meade and said, OK John, honest to God, it is now dire.
拉里联系了我们工会的主席，说，好吧，我们在消防队，约翰·米德说，好吧，约翰，老实说，现在情况很可怕。
We need to get out.
我们需要出去。
And somehow John, through the other union, through a guy who works at Menlo Park, who was working for FEMA, somehow one of those connections happened that the FEMA person got to tell the Gretna police or sheriff to yes, let us eight people go through.
不知何故，约翰通过另一个工会，通过一个在门洛帕克工作的人，他为联邦紧急事务管理局工作，不知何故，其中一个联系发生了，联邦紧急事务管理局的人必须告诉格雷特纳警察或治安官，是的，让我们八个人通过。
It was so early in the morning, but we could see the people starting to come up, because people are trying to still get out.
虽然是凌晨，但我们可以看到人们开始出现，因为人们仍在试图出去。
And as people were coming up, one of the sheriffs walked down the ramp a bit and shot up past some people and said, do not approach.
当人们过来时，一名警长走下坡道，冲过一些人并说，不要靠近。
We got past that.
我们已经过去了。
We got the permission.
我们得到了许可。
We walked across the bridge.
我们步行过桥。
That must have been a very-- I mean, on the one hand, you must have been thrilled to be getting out, but was it a little hard?
那一定是非常——我的意思是，一方面，你一定很高兴能出去，但这有点困难吗？
Very demoralized.
士气非常低落。
Very sad.
非常难过。
Very unfair.
非常不公平。
It's really wrong.
实在是大错特错了。
This makes no sense.
这毫无意义。
All of us should be walking across that bridge.
我们所有人都应该走过那座桥。
And it's only by this connection, that connection that we were able to get across.
只有通过这种联系，我们才能跨越这种联系。
How did I feel?
我感觉如何？
I felt really incensed and anger that other people weren't allowed to pass.
我对其他人不被允许通过感到非常愤怒和愤怒。
And at the same time, I felt so fortunate and like I won the lottery that us eight were able to cross.
与此同时，我感到非常幸运，就像我中了彩票一样，我们八个人能够跨越。
There's one more hurdle actually.
实际上还有一个障碍。
In their group of eight, three were white, four were black, Sharon, Rashida, and her mother and brother, and her brother's friend was Puerto Rican.
在他们的八人小组中，三个是白人，四个是黑人，莎伦，拉希达，还有她的母亲和哥哥，她哥哥的朋友是波多黎各人。
But the authorities had told Larry that only his immediate family was allowed to cross the bridge.
但当局告诉拉里，只有他的直系亲属才能过桥。
So Larry said, this is my immediate family.
所以拉里说，这是我的直系亲属。
I was his daughter.
我是他的女儿。
My friend's mom was his sister in law with her three kids, and my friend's brother's friend was his foster child.
我朋友的妈妈是他的嫂子和她的三个孩子，我朋友的兄弟的朋友是他的养子。
And that's how we had to play it off, in order for us to cross the bridge all together.
这就是我们必须如何应对的方式，以便我们能够一起过桥。
Debbie Zelinsky and Lorrie Beth are now back home in San Francisco and Boston, respectively.
黛比·泽林斯基和洛丽·贝丝现已分别回到旧金山和波士顿的家中。
They talked to Alex Blumberg.
他们与亚历克斯·布隆伯格进行了交谈。
[MUSIC - "WALKING TO NEW ORLEANS" BY FATS DOMINO]
[音乐 - FATS DOMINO 的“步行到新奥尔良”]
Coming up, Fox TV versus a New Orleans 18 year old.
接下来，福克斯电视台将对阵一名新奥尔良 18 岁少年。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, After The Flood, New Orleans stories in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
今天的节目《洪水之后》讲述了卡特里娜飓风过后新奥尔良的故事。
We've arrived at act three of our show.
我们已经到了演出的第三幕了。
Act Three, Social Studies Lesson.
第三幕，社会研究课。
TV talk show host Bill O'Reilly stated rather directly this week the lessons that he thought conservatives and everybody else should take from the devastation.
电视脱口秀主持人比尔·奥莱利本周相当直接地阐述了他认为保守派和其他所有人应该从这场灾难中吸取的教训。
First he said you can't rely on government.
首先他说你不能依赖政府。
And second he said, the problems that we saw in New Orleans weren't about race, they were about class.
其次，他说，我们在新奥尔良看到的问题与种族无关，而是与阶级有关。
If you're poor, you're powerless, not only in America, but everywhere on Earth.
如果你贫穷，你就无能为力，不仅在美国，而且在地球上的任何地方。
You don't have enough money to protect yourself from danger, danger is going to find you.
你没有足够的钱来保护自己免受危险，危险就会找上你。
The aftermath of Hurricane Katrina should be taught in every American school.
每所美国学校都应该教授卡特里娜飓风的后果。
If you don't get educated, if you don't develop a skill and force yourself to work hard, you'll most likely be poor.
如果你没有受过教育，如果你没有发展一项技能并强迫自己努力工作，你很可能会变得贫穷。
And sooner or later, you'll be standing on a symbolic rooftop waiting for help.
迟早，你会站在一个象征性的屋顶上等待帮助。
Chances are that help will not be quick in coming.
援助很可能不会很快到来。
Well, our producer Alex Blumberg decided to run this by somebody who is actually in an American high school, 18 year old Ashley Nelson, who is our act, and who lives in the Lafitte housing projects in New Orleans, in one of the neighborhoods that got flooded.
好吧，我们的制片人亚历克斯·布隆伯格 (Alex Blumberg) 决定由一个实际上是美国高中学生的人来主持这个节目，他是 18 岁的阿什利·尼尔森 (Ashley Nelson)，他就是我们的演员，住在新奥尔良的拉菲特住房项目中，位于被洪水淹没的社区之一。
That's what he said?
他是这么说的？
Alex Blumberg Yeah.
亚历克斯·布隆伯格 是的。
On TV.
在电视上。
To you, what's the thing that stands out most about that?
对你来说，最突出的是什么？
Basically, he said if you're rich, you live, if you're poor, you die.
基本上，他说，如果你富有，你就活，如果你贫穷，你就死。
I had no idea that it was a crime to be poor, and the punishment was death.
我不知道贫穷是一种罪，而惩罚就是死刑。
What was the first that you heard about the hurricane, and what preparations did you make?
您是在什么时候第一次听说飓风的？您做了哪些准备？
When I heard about the hurricane, it was Saturday, and you know what's supposed to come next, Sunday night.
当我听说飓风的时候，那是星期六，你知道接下来星期天晚上会发生什么。
So when I heard about it, I went over to my grandmother's house.
于是我一听说这件事，就跑到了奶奶家。
My whole family was over there.
我全家都在那里。
And I'm like, y'all come on.
我想，你们都来吧。
I'm just so amped up.
我太兴奋了。
I'm like, y'all come on.
我想，你们都来吧。
Let's go rent a car.
我们去租车吧。
We got to evacuate.
我们必须撤离。
There's a hurricane coming.
飓风即将来临。
Then everybody looked at me stupid.
然后大家都看我傻了。
They're like, all right, you're going to go rent a car, because we have that kind of money to go out of town and we got that kind of money to do that kind of stuff, like being sarcastic about it.
他们就像，好吧，你要去租一辆车，因为我们有那么多钱去出城，我们有那么多钱做那种事情，比如对此进行讽刺。
And I'm like, man, I forgot we poor.
我想，伙计，我忘了我们很穷。
I promise you, that's what I thought in my head.
我向你保证，这就是我的想法。
I forgot we were poor.
我忘了我们很穷。
And were there people who were able to get out, who had a car?
是否有人能够出去并且拥有汽车？
Yeah, because I remember that day I was standing outside, and it was a lot of people running from their house to their car, from the house to their car, just throwing stuff in there, throwing stuff in there, trying to hurry up and get out before the traffic gets too hectic.
是的，因为我记得那天我站在外面，很多人从他们的房子跑到他们的汽车，从房子到他们的汽车，只是把东西扔在那里，扔东西在那里，试图在交通变得太拥挤之前快点离开。
There was a handful of people, and everybody else is just sitting there watching how people leave, and they got to stay.
那里只有少数人，其他人只是坐在那里看着人们如何离开，而他们必须留下来。
I know that's what I was thinking, when I seen people leaving.
我知道当我看到人们离开时我就是这么想的。
I'm like, they leaving and I got to stay.
我想，他们离开了，我必须留下来。
And there's not even an option, I have to stay.
我连选择的余地都没有，我必须留下来。
Ashley rode out the storm at her father's house in Jefferson Parish, across the river from New Orleans, where the rest of her family was.
阿什利在她父亲位于杰斐逊教区的家中度过了这场风暴，该家与她家人的其他人所在的新奥尔良隔河相望。
There wasn't too much flooding there, so the next morning, they went out and found all the scrap wood they could, blown down branches, old fences, and started a fire to cook the little bit of meat they'd been able to buy at the store before the storm came.
那里没有发生太大的洪水，所以第二天早上，他们出去找到了所有能找到的废木头，吹倒了树枝和旧栅栏，然后生火煮了暴风雨来临前在商店买的一点肉。
They figured that would hold them until rescuers got there.
他们认为这会阻止他们直到救援人员到达那里。
But one day past and no one came, then two days.
但一天过去了，没有人来，然后两天了。
They had no TV.
他们没有电视。
They didn't know what was going on.
他们不知道发生了什么事。
I thought just like my daddy.
我的想法和我爸爸一样。
I thought like my daddy, somebody was coming to help us.
我像我爸爸一样想，有人会来帮助我们。
Nobody came to help us.
没有人来帮助我们。
No Red Cross trucks, no nothing.
没有红十字会卡车，什么都没有。
I mean, at least they could have dropped us some water.
我的意思是，至少他们可以给我们一些水。
Do you know what it's like to not have water?
你知道没有水是什么感觉吗？
You get a taste in your mouth that's just horrible.
你会在嘴里尝到一种可怕的味道。
Your mouth is all dry, and you can't even think right.
你口干舌燥，甚至无法正常思考。
You start getting delusional and hallucinating about things.
你开始对事物产生妄想和幻觉。
Yeah.
是的。
Alex Blumberg What did you hallucinate?
亚历克斯·布隆伯格 你产生了什么幻觉？
Water bottles, four water bottles, big Kentwood gallon jugs.
水瓶，四个水瓶，肯特伍德加仑的大水壶。
I'm serious, I went crazy.
我是认真的，我疯了。
I mean, I would just sit down and rock and think about is the world going to turn to hell and we're all going to burn?
我的意思是，我会坐下来摇滚，思考世界是否会变成地狱，我们都会被烧毁？
I mean, I just started going crazy, really crazy.
我的意思是，我刚刚开始发疯，真的发疯了。
Did it make you realize, like so this is what it feels like?
它是否让你意识到，这就是感觉？
This is what it feels like to be starving?
这就是挨饿的感觉吗？
I thought that when I was in Jefferson Parish, I thought, man, I'm starving.
我想，当我在杰斐逊教区时，我想，伙计，我快饿死了。
That's what I said to myself, I'm like man, I'm starving.
这就是我对自己说的，我就像个男人，我快饿死了。
Like you know how your stomach growls?
你知道你的肚子如何咕咕叫吗？
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Ashley Nelson When you're starving, you get cramps in your stomach, and you feel like your stomach just bit into your back.
阿什利·尼尔森（Ashley Nelson） 当你挨饿时，你的胃会痉挛，感觉就像你的胃咬住了你的背。
I mean, the best bet is for you to lean forward.
我的意思是，最好的办法是你身体前倾。
How scared were you?
你有多害怕？
Ashley Nelson I thought I was going to die.
阿什莉·纳尔逊 我以为我要死了。
I look at it like this now.
我现在是这样看的。
9/11 was bad because it was terrorists.
9/11 很糟糕，因为它是恐怖分子。
It's no surprise people hate the United States, it's no big surprise.
人们讨厌美国并不奇怪，这并不奇怪。
But New Orleans was worse, because it was our own government who betrayed us.
但新奥尔良更糟，因为是我们自己的政府背叛了我们。
They betrayed us.
他们背叛了我们。
They betrayed us.
他们背叛了我们。
They left us there to die.
他们把我们留在那里等死。
And then you hear George Bush telling the FEMA man, you're doing a good job.
然后你听到乔治布什告诉联邦紧急事务管理局的人，你做得很好。
What do you mean by that?
你这是什么意思？
What do you mean by that?
你这是什么意思？
Because I mean, people are dying there.
因为我的意思是，人们正在那里死去。
So you're telling him he's doing a good job, what are you saying?
所以你告诉他他做得很好，你在说什么？
That's good that people are dying?
人死了就很好了吗？
I never understood that, and I really wish I can meet him to ask him, what do you mean by that he doing a good job?
我一直不明白这一点，我真希望能见到他，问他，你说他做得很好是什么意思？
18 year old Ashley Nelson talking with Alex Blumberg.
18 岁的阿什利·尼尔森 (Ashley Nelson) 与亚历克斯·布隆伯格 (Alex Blumberg) 交谈。
Two days after that interview, the head of FEMA, the FEMA man, Michael Brown, whom President Bush said was doing such a good job, was removed from all duties relating to Hurricane Katrina.
在那次采访两天后，美国联邦紧急事务管理局（FEMA）负责人迈克尔·布朗（Michael Brown）被解除了与卡特里娜飓风有关的所有职责，布什总统称他做得非常好。
[MUSIC - "THEM THAT GOT" BY RAY CHARLES]
[音乐 - 雷·查尔斯的《THEM THAT GOT》]
Act Four, Diaspora.
第四幕，侨民。
While hundreds of thousands of Gulf residents evacuated after the storm and followed the whole thing from afar, Cheryl Wagner left for Gainesville, Florida.
当数十万海湾居民在风暴后撤离并从远处关注整个事件时，谢丽尔·瓦格纳前往佛罗里达州盖恩斯维尔。
From satellite photos, she could tell her house is flooded.
从卫星照片来看，她可以看出她的房子被洪水淹没了。
She hears it's seven feet of water.
她听说水有七英尺深。
Over this past week, we've gotten dozens of emails at our radio program from people in this situation, and they all pretty much say the same thing, how bizarre it is to be indefinitely exiled from their homes and normal lives, and now to be an evacuee in the larger world.
在过去的一周里，我们的广播节目收到了数十封来自处于这种情况的人的电子邮件，他们几乎都说了同样的话，无限期地被驱逐出家园和正常生活，现在又成为更大世界的撤离者，这是多么奇怪。
We've been advised that when we go back to New Orleans, my boyfriend and I need to get guns, mean dogs, or both.
我们被告知，当我们回到新奥尔良时，我和我的男朋友需要带枪，或者恶狗，或者两者兼而有之。
Which seems ludicrous to me.
这对我来说似乎很可笑。
But people where we evacuated to over here in North Central Florida have offered us a shotgun.
但我们疏散到佛罗里达州中北部这里的人们给了我们一把猎枪。
We got offered a shotgun before we got offered a generator.
在我们得到发电机之前，我们得到了一把霰弹枪。
One of the people calling to tell us to get a shotgun is a normally laid back musician friend who used to have a weekly gig in the Quarter, singing Cuban love songs in falsetto.
其中一个打电话叫我们去拿把猎枪的人是一位平时悠闲的音乐家朋友，他过去每周都会在该区演出，用假声唱古巴情歌。
A few days ago, he bought a shotgun in Baton Rouge, where he evacuated to, and is now calling my boyfriend and advising us to do the same.
几天前，他在疏散到的巴吞鲁日买了一把猎枪，现在打电话给我的男朋友，建议我们也这样做。
I have five dogs, and I'm bringing the meanest looking one back, he says.
“我有五只狗，我要带回一只看起来最卑鄙的狗，”他说。
I just bought a shotgun with a sweet pistol grip.
我刚买了一把带有可爱手枪式握把的霰弹枪。
Last week he also called to report rumors that people from New Orleans were raping and looting in the mall in Baton Rouge.
上周他还打电话举报有关新奥尔良人在巴吞鲁日购物中心强奸和抢劫的谣言。
You're a person from New Orleans, I thought, but didn't say.
你是新奥尔良人，我想，但没有说。
Right after it became clear we were not getting home, I predicted the totally predictable.
在得知我们无法回家后，我预测这是完全可以预见的。
That people in Baton Rouge would immediately start cringing in the face of what they considered to be the black mongrel hordes and loose people of New Orleans.
巴吞鲁日的人们在面对他们认为是新奥尔良的黑人杂种群体和散漫的人时会立即开始感到畏缩。
I say this knowing the people of Baton Rouge and the rest of Louisiana have been breaking their backs with generosity and hospitality and kindness.
我这么说是因为我知道巴吞鲁日和路易斯安那州其他地区的人民一直以慷慨、热情和友善的精神竭尽全力。
I know many white and Cajun people and fishermen with air boats helped rescue their black and white New Orleans neighbors from attics.
我知道许多白人和卡真人以及拥有气垫船的渔民帮助他们从阁楼上营救了他们的新奥尔良黑人和白人邻居。
People from Baton Rouge are showing up at hotels and sweetly paying strangers from New Orleans' bills.
来自巴吞鲁日的人们出现在酒店里，用新奥尔良的账单慷慨地付钱给陌生人。
My mother in Hammond was asked to open up her washing machine to state troopers' underwear.
我在哈蒙德的母亲被要求打开洗衣机清洗州警的内衣。
Still, some folks are giving with one hand and holding a gun with the other.
尽管如此，还是有一些人一只手给予，另一只手拿着枪。
Seems nobody wants a bunch of poor people, black, white, Cajun, whatever, moving to their neck of the woods.
似乎没有人愿意一群穷人，黑人、白人、卡真人等等，搬到他们的树林里。
Seems it is fear of the have-nots and poor, as much as racism, which of course it also is.
似乎是对穷人和穷人的恐惧，就像种族主义一样，当然也是如此。
So now we're here in Gainesville, listening to New Orleans ex pat news radio and webcasts through tinny computer speakers, squinting to see my watery house on satellite photos, getting crappy emails from friends crying because they killed their cats, and watching TV.
所以现在我们在盖恩斯维尔，通过细小的电脑扬声器收听新奥尔良的前新闻广播和网络广播，眯着眼睛在卫星照片上看到我的水屋，收到朋友们因杀了猫而哭泣的蹩脚电子邮件，然后看电视。
Someone desperate called us and said, can you please text message Stan and make him get off his roof?
有人绝望地打电话给我们说，你能给斯坦发短信，让他从屋顶上下来吗？
He's up there with Luna and another dog, and won't come down unless they'll take the dogs too.
他和卢娜还有另一只狗在上面，除非他们把狗也带走，否则他不会下来。
It's strange to think of all my New Orleans people spit out by the storm, all over the South in country, in Diaspora, getting terrible phone calls and cable TV migraine too.
想到我所有的新奥尔良人都被风暴吐了出来，在整个南方的乡村，在散居国外的人，也接到了可怕的电话和有线电视偏头痛，这很奇怪。
Before the flood, New Orleans was a place where Southerners sent their laid back people who can't, or won't get with the program.
在洪水发生之前，新奥尔良是南方人将无法或不愿参加该计划的悠闲人们送去的地方。
Artists, gay relatives, eternal optimists, funny hat wearers, and intellectuals.
艺术家、同性恋亲戚、永远的乐观主义者、滑稽的帽子戴者和知识分子。
I'm one of the above, and we're in New Orleans for a reason, to get away from the baptists, but still get to live in the South, where we're from.
我是上述人中的一员，我们来到新奥尔良是有原因的，为了远离浸信会，但仍然可以住在我们来自的南方。
But where are Southern outsiders supposed to go who are exiled from their place of exile?
但被流放出境的南方外来者该去哪里呢？
I didn't want to arm myself with a gun or a leaf blower to face the future.
我不想用枪或吹叶机武装自己来面对未来。
People ask what it's like to lose your house and your friends and your life and your town, and begin to look scared when you answer.
人们问失去你的房子、你的朋友、你的生活和你的城镇是什么感觉，当你回答时，他们开始显得害怕。
They want to care, but they can't.
他们想要关心，但他们不能。
They look at you, and worry for themselves.
他们看着你，为自己担心。
Drenched in the compulsory cheer of the college town of Gainesville, I feel like a leper from Carville, or the bereaved at a Southern funeral.
沉浸在盖恩斯维尔大学城的强制性欢呼声中，我感觉自己像一个来自卡维尔的麻风病人，或者是南方葬礼上的死者。
Family friends slide you white envelopes with money in them, then everyone around you puts on an ugly orange and blue outfit, straps on their foam fingers, and heads out to the Florida Gators football game.
家人朋友给你塞满钱的白色信封，然后你周围的每个人都穿上丑陋的橙色和蓝色衣服，绑上泡沫手指，前往佛罗里达鳄鱼队橄榄球比赛。
Cheryl Wagener normally lives in New Orleans in Mid-City on South Cortez Street.
谢丽尔·瓦格纳 (Cheryl Wagener) 通常住在新奥尔良市中心的南科尔特斯街 (South Cortez Street)。
She asks, if someone there has a canoe, please go and check out her house.
她问，如果那里有人有独木舟，请去看看她的房子。
Act Five, Displaced Persons Camp.
第五幕，流离失所者营地。
Last August, a category four storm, Hurricane Charley, devastated parts of Florida.
去年八月，四级风暴查理飓风摧毁了佛罗里达州部分地区。
And FEMA built a big trailer park for people whose homes were destroyed.
联邦应急管理局还为房屋被毁的人们建造了一个大型拖车公园。
It was near an airport outside Punta Gorda.
它靠近蓬塔戈尔达郊外的一个机场。
At one point, over 550 trailers were there.
一度有超过 550 辆拖车停在那里。
And when our staff looked into it this week, we were surprised to find out that a full year later, over 500 trailers are still there, with more than 1,000 people.
当我们的工作人员本周进行查看时，我们惊讶地发现，整整一年过去了，还有 500 多辆拖车，1000 多人。
And also just this week, we read that in the New York Times, a FEMA official was saying that these kinds of mobile homes, like in Punta Gorda, outside Punta Gorda, may be the standard for people displaced by Hurricane Katrina.
同样就在本周，我们在《纽约时报》上读到，一位联邦应急管理局官员表示，像蓬塔戈尔达郊外的蓬塔戈尔达这样的移动房屋可能是卡特里娜飓风流离失所者的标准住所。
Our producer Lisa Pollack called down there to see what it's like.
我们的制片人丽莎·波拉克打电话到那里看看情况如何。
Like almost everybody I asked to describe the FEMA mobile home park, Bob Heibert starts with the disclaimer.
和几乎所有我要求描述 FEMA 移动房屋公园的人一样，鲍勃·海伯特首先提出了免责声明。
It is better than no housing.
有房子总比没有房子好。
But for some folks, it's very unsettling, it's depressing, it's deplorable.
但对于某些人来说，这是非常令人不安、令人沮丧、令人遗憾的。
Heibert is the director of hurricane recovery for Charlotte County, Florida.
海伯特是佛罗里达州夏洛特县飓风恢复主任。
Like everyone else I talked to, he described a dreary mini-city, nothing but endless rows of identical white trailers in a vacant lot by the county airport.
和我交谈过的其他人一样，他描述了一个沉闷的迷你城市，除了县机场旁边的空地上无休止的一排相同的白色拖车之外什么都没有。
But it very much is just like a trailer park, a storage place.
但它很像一个拖车停车场，一个储藏室。
It's like a manufacturer where they're just all lined up waiting to go, except these are actually occupied and hooked up, and it's a village by itself.
这就像一个制造商，他们都排着队等待出发，只不过这些实际上已经被占用并连接起来，而且它本身就是一个村庄。
It looks kind of like some military camp in the desert.
它看起来有点像沙漠中的某个军营。
This is Jennifer.
这是詹妮弗。
She didn't want to give her last name.
她不想透露自己的姓氏。
She, along with her husband, three kids and a dog, have lived in a FEMA park since just before last Thanksgiving.
自去年感恩节前夕以来，她与丈夫、三个孩子和一只狗一起住在联邦应急管理局公园里。
There's no grass, there's no trees.
没有草，没有树。
It's all white, gritty sand.
到处都是白色的、沙质的沙子。
And the wind will whip through the trailers, and you'll just get pelted with sand.
风会吹过拖车，你就会被沙子击中。
The FEMA park wasn't supposed to be homey.
联邦应急管理局公园不应该是温馨的。
It was functional.
它很实用。
After hurricane Charley destroyed 11,000 residences in the county, lots of people needed places to live, and fast.
查理飓风摧毁了该县 11,000 所住宅后，许多人需要快速居住的地方。
For that, the trailers were perfect, says Heibert.
海伯特说，就这一点来说，预告片是完美的。
Because they got a lot of people in there in like 30 days, people that were just kind of living in cars because there were no other places for them to go.
因为在大约 30 天内他们有很多人在那里，人们只是住在车里，因为他们没有其他地方可去。
They were on the streets, or they were living with other people, or whatever.
他们流落街头，或者与其他人住在一起，或者其他什么。
So I mean, it was a lifesaver when it happened.
所以我的意思是，当它发生时，它是一个救星。
Someone called me from FEMA and said, are you still interested in one of the mobile homes?
有人从联邦紧急事务管理署 (FEMA) 打电话给我，问我，您对其中一间活动房屋还感兴趣吗？
I say, yes I am.
我说，是的，我是。
And he said, well OK, you need to go down there to the site tomorrow to sign your paperwork.
他说，好吧，你明天需要去现场签署你的文件。
They have a house for you.
他们有房子给你。
That's Kim.
那是金。
Last December, when she got that phone call, she was desperate and out of options.
去年12月，当她接到那个电话时，她感到绝望，别无选择。
She, her husband, and four kids rode out the hurricane, huddled in the shower stall at their rental house, the ceilings crumbling above them.
她、她的丈夫和四个孩子躲过了飓风，挤在出租屋的淋浴间里，头顶上的天花板摇摇欲坠。
After the house has condemned, the family spent two weeks in a crowded homeless shelter.
房子被谴责后，一家人在拥挤的无家可归者收容所里度过了两周。
Then came three months in an RV, the kind people tow on vacation, 30 feet long, all six of them living there.
然后是三个月的房车，人们在度假时拖着的那种，长 30 英尺，他们六个人都住在那里。
So by the time they got the FEMA mobile home, 70 feet long with three bedrooms, it seemed like a mansion.
因此，当他们收到 FEMA 移动房屋时，它长 70 英尺，设有三间卧室，看起来就像一座豪宅。
They could live rent free, paying only utilities, while they look for a place of their own.
他们可以免租居住，只支付水电费，同时寻找自己的住所。
The problem is, nine months later, Kim's family is still there.
问题是，九个月后，金的家人仍然在那里。
Every month a FEMA agent comes by to ask her what she's done to get out.
每个月，联邦应急管理局特工都会过来询问她做了什么才得以逃脱。
To keep her lease, she has to prove she's been working on it, and every month she gives the same answer.
为了保住租约，她必须证明自己一直在努力，每个月她都会给出相同的答案。
She's called public housing.
她被称为公共住房。
She's combed the ads.
她梳理了广告。
But in Charlotte County, there's not much that she and her husband, a Wal-Mart manager, can afford.
但在夏洛特县，她和身为沃尔玛经理的丈夫负担不起太多。
So far, the government's let her stay, but the pressure's getting to her.
到目前为止，政府让她留下来，但压力也越来越大。
These people that come to our house, and they are on us about what are you doing to get a place?
这些人来到我们家，他们向我们询问你要做什么才能获得一席之地？
And what are you doing to do this?
你要做什么来做到这一点？
And what are you doing to do that?
你正在做什么呢？
It really just irritates a lot of us, because we didn't ask for this, and we're stuck here, and there's nothing else that we can do.
这确实激怒了我们很多人，因为我们没有要求这个，我们被困在这里，我们无能为力。
And the way they talk to you, it almost makes you feel like you did this to yourself.
他们对你说话的方式几乎让你觉得这是你对自己做的。
The real problem we have is that most of the rental properties were lost in the storm.
我们面临的真正问题是大部分出租房产在风暴中消失了。
That includes almost all the low income units, says Bob Heibert of the county government.
县政府的鲍勃·海伯特说，这几乎包括所有低收入单位。
The ones that survived suddenly became more expensive and unaffordable, because other people that had the means to pay for them rented those properties.
幸存下来的房产突然变得更加昂贵且难以承受，因为其他有能力支付这些房产的人租用了这些房产。
So it's a very long term problem, because unless we can find a way to house those folks in some housing that they can afford, they're going to have to move somewhere else where they can get a house and they can get a job.
所以这是一个非常长期的问题，因为除非我们能找到一种方法为这些人提供他们负担得起的住房，否则他们将不得不搬到其他地方，在那里他们可以找到房子并找到工作。
Some places don't want kids.
有些地方不想要孩子。
Lisa Pollack Jennifer's had problems finding a place too.
丽莎·波拉克·詹妮弗 (Lisa Pollack) 也很难找到地方。
We have a dog, and now finding a place that will let us have the dog-- I mean, I know some people don't understand, like, oh, just get rid of the dog and move into one of the apartments that accepts dogs.
我们有一只狗，现在正在寻找一个可以让我们养狗的地方——我的意思是，我知道有些人不明白，比如，哦，把狗扔掉，搬进一间接受狗的公寓。
But after everything my children have been through, moving to two different schools, moving four times in the past year, with everything else that's lost, I couldn't imagine taking their dog away too.
但在我的孩子们经历了一切之后，搬到两所不同的学校，在过去的一年里搬了四次，加上其他一切都失去了，我无法想象把他们的狗也带走。
Crime and drugs have been a problem at the FEMA park, and there aren't many places for kids to play.
犯罪和毒品一直是联邦应急管理局公园的一个问题，而且没有太多地方可供孩子们玩耍。
Lots of people stay only because they have no choice, and others, everyone I talked to agreed, aren't really trying that hard.
很多人留下来只是因为他们别无选择，而其他人，我采访过的每个人都同意，并没有真正努力。
It's easy to imagine that this is what Louisiana could look like a year from now, thousands of people warehoused in trailers, stuck in makeshift camps on the edges of towns.
很容易想象，这就是路易斯安那州一年后的样子，数千人被困在拖车里，困在城镇边缘的临时营地里。
I asked Bob Heibert if he worries about the idea of more FEMA trailer parks like this one, and he says he does.
我问鲍勃·海伯特是否担心建立更多像这样的联邦应急管理局拖车公园的想法，他说他担心。
I think what needs to happen is that if they're going to do that, which they will, and it's a good short term solution, they need to think about what happens next month or the month after, like have a phase two plan.
我认为需要发生的是，如果他们打算这样做，他们会这么做，而且这是一个很好的短期解决方案，他们需要考虑下个月或后一个月会发生什么，比如制定第二阶段计划。
They got to very quickly start working on a strategy to break that down and move people on, just for the sake of the people.
他们必须很快开始制定一项战略，以打破这种局面并让人们继续前进，只是为了人民。
I mean, what we're really talking about is humanity here.
我的意思是，我们真正谈论的是人性。
We're talking about human beings that need to get back to some normalcy before they can get over this.
我们谈论的是人类需要先恢复正常才能克服这个问题。
So how long is FEMA willing to keep housing hurricane victims?
那么，FEMA 愿意将飓风灾民的住房保留多久？
In Punta Gorda, they're giving residents until February, 18 months after the storm.
在蓬塔戈尔达，他们为居民提供了直到 2 月（即风暴过后 18 个月）的救济金。
Then, FEMA says, they'll stop funding the trailer park.
然后，联邦紧急事务管理署表示，他们将停止为拖车公园提供资金。
After that, what happens is up to the county, which is still figuring out what to do.
之后会发生什么取决于该县，该县仍在考虑该怎么做。
It might help people buy the trailers and relocate them, and it might keep the park open and let people rent.
它可能会帮助人们购买拖车并重新安置它们，并且可能会保持公园开放并让人们出租。
It's not clear exactly how it'll work, or where the money will come from.
目前还不清楚它将如何运作，也不清楚资金将从何而来。
It's not going to be easy.
这并不容易。
Lisa Pollack.
丽莎·波拉克。
Credits Ira Glass Our program was produced today by Julie Snyder, Sarah Koenig, and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Diane Cook, Jane Feltes, Amy O'Leary, and Lisa Pollak.
图片来源 Ira Glass 我们今天的节目由 Julie Snyder、Sarah Koenig 和我本人以及 Alex Blumberg、Diane Cook、Jane Feltes、Amy O'Leary 和 Lisa Pollak 制作。
Elizabeth Meister runs our website.
伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。
Production help from Todd Bachman, Chris Ladd, and Laura Bellows.
托德·巴赫曼 (Todd Bachman)、克里斯·拉德 (Chris Ladd) 和劳拉·贝洛斯 (Laura Bellows) 为制作提供帮助。
It is Laura's last day on the program, which is a very, very bad for us, because she's done such good work here.
这是劳拉在该项目的最后一天，这对我们来说非常非常糟糕，因为她在这里做得非常好。
Laura, we all wish you the best.
劳拉，我们都祝你一切顺利。
Guest DJing for our program today from Mr. Nick Spitzer, who's music show American Roots normally broadcasts out of New Orleans.
今天我们的节目由 Nick Spitzer 先生担任客座 DJ，他的音乐节目《American Roots》通常在新奥尔良播出。
He chose songs for us from his exile.
他为我们选择了流放期间的歌曲。
Other musical help from Jessica Hopper.
杰西卡·霍珀的其他音乐帮助。
Special thanks today to so many people, Margie Rockland, Stephen Elliott, Alex Kotlowitz, Kristy Krueger, Lisa Moore, Richard Burkhurt, Harry Scheiber, Davy Rothbart, Eve Warmfeldt, Abram Himmelstein, Anya Borg, Justin Lundgering, Kirsta Kurtz Burke, Aaron Zimmerman, Anjali Rasperry, and Michelle [?
今天特别感谢这么多人，Margie Rockland、Stephen Elliott、Alex Kotlowitz、Kristy Krueger、Lisa Moore、Richard Burkhurt、Harry Scheiber、Davy Rothbart、Eve Warmfeldt、Abram Himmelstein、Anya Borg、Justin Lundgering、Kirsta Kurtz Burke、Aaron Zimmerman、Anjali Rasperry 和 Michelle [？
Gibeaumot, ?] and really too many people to name, friends of the program, and strangers who emailed us with stories and suggestions this week, thank you to you all.
Gibeaumot，？] 还有太多的人，包括该计划的朋友，以及本周通过电子邮件向我们发送故事和建议的陌生人，谢谢大家。
You can download today's program and our archives at audible.com/thisamericanlife.
您可以在 audible.com/thisamericanlife 下载今天的节目和我们的档案。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our program by Mr. Torey Malatia, who's had favorites here at the radio station who were not me.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理部门由 Torey Malatia 先生负责监督我们的节目，除了我之外，他在广播电台也有一些喜欢的人。
Just the cutest ding dang kids that would call me Auntie
最可爱的叮当孩子们会叫我阿姨
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of this American life.
下周我们将带来更多有关美国生活的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。