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00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 291 集 | 2019 年 11 月 22 日 291：重聚（感觉很好） 注：《This American Life》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
There have been seven Peaches in the duo Peaches and Herb over the years.
多年来，Peaches 和 Herb 二人组中已经有 7 个 Peach 了。
But it was Peaches number three-- her real name's Linda Greene-- in the biggest hit ever, singing the duet with Herb.
但Peaches 的第三位歌手——她的真名是琳达·格林(Linda Greene)——与赫伯合唱了有史以来最热门的歌曲。
(SINGING) I was a fool to ever leave your side.
（唱）我真是个傻瓜，竟然离开了你的身边。
Me minus you is such a lonely ride.
没有你的我是一次如此孤独的旅程。
We live in a country where 3 million people have purchased copies of this song.
我们生活在一个有 300 万人购买了这首歌的国家。
And Peaches number three tells this story.
第三个桃子讲述了这个故事。
She was on tour, and she visited this elementary school back in the day.
她当时正在巡回演出，并参观了这所小学。
And she has asked these little kids-- first, and second, and third graders-- what their favorite song was, and they all shouted, "Reunited." And what they said was, that song was played when my mommy and daddy got back together.
她问这些小孩子——一年级、二年级和三年级的学生——他们最喜欢的歌曲是什么，他们都喊道：“重聚”。他们说，那首歌是我妈妈和爸爸重聚时播放的。
And you know what that speaks to?
你知道这意味着什么吗？
There are not many songs for people who split up and get back together again.
适合分手又复合的歌曲并不多。
The reunited couple is a completely under-served market, right?
复合情侣是一个完全服务不足的市场，对吧？
There's "Love Is More Comfortable the Second Time Around," there's "Break Up to Make Up," and there's "Reunited." That's pretty much it.
有“爱第二次更舒服”，有“分手又和好”，还有“复合”。差不多就这样了。
Oh, wait a second, here's the chorus.
哦，等一下，这是副歌。
(SINGING) Reunited and it feels so good.
（唱歌）重逢的感觉真好。
Reunited 'cause we understood, there's one perfect fit--
重聚是因为我们明白，有一个完美的契合——
Who is singing the songs for the reunited people?
是谁在为重逢的人们唱着歌？
Who is writing their stories?
谁在写他们的故事？
Well, today on our radio show, we tried to redress this grievous, grievous oversight and tell three stories of reunions-- in each case, very unlikely reunions that were gotten to through very unusual means.
好吧，今天在我们的广播节目中，我们试图纠正这种严重的疏忽，并讲述了三个团聚的故事——在每一个案例中，都是通过非常不寻常的方式实现了非常不可能的团聚。
Act One is a man reunited with a woman.
第一幕是一个男人与一个女人重逢。
Act Two is a man reunited with an animal.
第二幕是一个人与一只动物重聚。
Act Three, a man reunited with a nation.
第三幕，一个人与一个国家团聚。
Sarah Vowell tells that last story.
莎拉·沃威尔讲述了最后一个故事。
And let's just get right to it, huh?
让我们直接开始吧，对吧？
Act One, "Not Your Parents' 'Parent Trap.'" This is a story of two marriages-- one unhappy, the other happy.
第一幕，“不是你父母的‘父母陷阱’。”这是一个关于两段婚姻的故事——一个不幸福，另一个幸福。
One's an arranged marriage, the other's by their own choice.
一个是包办婚姻，一个是自己选择的婚姻。
One's a big formal wedding, the other's in City Hall.
一个是大型正式婚礼，另一个是在市政厅举行。
One's in Iran, the other's in America.
一个在伊朗，另一个在美国。
The only thing they have in common is the bride and groom, who also are the parents of Nazanin Rafsanjani, who tells our story.
他们唯一的共同点是新娘和新郎，他们也是讲述我们故事的纳扎宁·拉夫桑贾尼的父母。
From the day my parents met to the day they were married, it took three weeks, which wasn't so out of the ordinary in Iran in 1973.
从我父母见面到结婚，只用了三个星期，这在 1973 年的伊朗并不罕见。
Back then, people didn't get to date.
那时，人们还没有约会。
It just wasn't done.
只是还没有完成。
They had to leave it to their families to choose a spouse for them.
他们必须让家人为他们选择配偶。
They got married and hoped for the best.
他们结婚了，并希望有最好的结果。
Now that I know how my parent's marriage began and ended, I can hear hints of how the next 30 years would go for them in the different ways they described their feelings at the very beginning.
现在我知道了我父母的婚姻是如何开始和结束的，我可以从他们一开始描述自己感受的不同方式中听到他们未来 30 年将如何发展的暗示。
This is my mom, Mina.
这是我的妈妈，米娜。
I thought, he asked me, and he's serious.
我想，他问我，而且他是认真的。
And I thought I'd fall in love with him.
我以为我会爱上他。
And I thought, well, I have to get married, and he was right there.
我想，好吧，我必须结婚了，而他就在那里。
[LAUGHS] So, wait.
[笑]所以，等等。
He was right there?
他就在那里？
Or you thought you-- or you were in love with him?
或者你以为你——或者你爱上了他？
He was right there.
他就在那里。
And I liked him a lot.
我非常喜欢他。
And I thought then, I thought I liked him a lot.
然后我想，我觉得我很喜欢他。
I loved him.
我爱他。
I loved him, I guess, then.
我想，那时我爱他。
Yeah.
是的。
I think.
我认为。
[LAUGHS] I was only 19, for god's sake.
[笑]天哪，我才 19 岁。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
Nazanin Rafsanjani Were you in love with Mina?
Nazanin Rafsanjani 你爱上了 Mina 吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Nazanin Rafsanjani How did you-- tell me how you felt.
Nazanin Rafsanjani 你怎么样——告诉我你的感受。
Well, love is love.
嗯，爱就是爱。
I don't know how to explain about love.
我不知道如何解释爱情。
When you love somebody, so you want to do everything for her.
当你爱一个人的时候，你就会想为她做一切。
This is my dad, Abbas.
这是我的父亲，阿巴斯。
It was always less complicated for my dad.
对我父亲来说，事情总是不那么复杂。
From the beginning, he loved my mom.
从一开始，他就爱我的妈妈。
And from the beginning, my mom didn't know what it meant to love him.
从一开始，我妈妈就不知道爱他意味着什么。
My mom borrowed her wedding dress from a cousin.
我妈妈从表弟那里借了她的婚纱。
They were married in a large hall in downtown Tehran, with lots of food and dancing.
他们在德黑兰市中心的一个大厅里举行了婚礼，现场有很多食物和舞蹈。
It was all new and fun for my mom, until that night.
直到那天晚上，这对我妈妈来说都是新鲜而有趣的。
There was this business of proving my mother's virginity, which meant my grandmother, my dad's mom, sat outside their room and waited for a piece of white cloth that would prove my mom was pure.
有一项证明我母亲的贞操的事情，这意味着我的祖母，我父亲的妈妈，坐在他们的房间外面，等待一块白布来证明我的母亲是纯洁的。
My grandmother carried it downstairs and displayed it for my dad's entire family, who were there waiting.
我的祖母把它拿到楼下，展示给在那里等候的我父亲的全家。
For my mom, a 19-year-old girl who had never held hands with a boy before, this was traumatic, and she didn't want to talk about it on tape.
对于我妈妈来说，这是一个从未与男孩牵过手的 19 岁女孩，这是一种创伤，她不想在录音中谈论这件事。
This was the beginning of her marriage and her sex life.
这是她婚姻和性生活的开始。
My mom has a saying.
我妈有一句话。
I've heard it over and over growing up.
我在成长过程中听过一遍又一遍。
An Iranian marriage is like going to the grocery store and buying a watermelon.
伊朗婚姻就像去杂货店买西瓜。
You don't know what you've got, until it's too late.
你不知道自己拥有什么，直到为时已晚。
By the time my mom realized she wasn't happy with her watermelon, my parents were already parents.
当我妈妈意识到她对西瓜不满意时，我父母已经为人父母了。
The main issue was my father's temper.
主要问题是我父亲的脾气。
He could erupt at any time.
他随时都可能爆发。
My mother tiptoed around it.
我妈妈蹑手蹑脚地绕过它。
She started to shut down.
她开始关闭。
She expected my dad to throw a fit about everything.
她希望我父亲会对一切事情发脾气。
She has lots of stories, like the time she went to get her driver's license.
她有很多故事，比如她去考驾照的那次。
In Tehran at that time, everybody failed the driver's test.
当时在德黑兰，每个人都没有通过驾驶员考试。
So to practice, people took it several times.
所以为了练习，人们多次练习。
One day, my dad decided my mom should get some practice, so he drove her to Tehran's DMV and sent her inside, expecting to wait 10 minutes.
有一天，我爸爸决定让我妈妈去练习一下，所以他开车送她去德黑兰的车管所，然后让她进去，预计要等 10 分钟。
But miraculously, she passed and then was shuffled into another line to take the driving test, which she also passed.
但奇迹般的是，她通过了，然后被拖到另一条线去参加驾驶考试，她也通过了。
In the end, what should have been a 10-minute failure ended up taking two hours.
最终，原本应该10分钟的失败结果花了两个小时。
Finally, my mom emerged ecstatic with her brand new license.
最后，我妈妈对她的全新驾照欣喜若狂。
So I just walked out and I showed him my-- you know?
所以我就走了出去，向他展示了我的——你知道吗？
I passed, I passed!
我通过了，我通过了！
And he started to yell at me.
他开始对我大喊大叫。
I told you 10 minutes!
我告诉你10分钟！
Why are you so late?
你怎么这么晚？
You're so stupid!
你真傻！
I had a meeting.
我有一个会议。
I thought, so if you had all those things, why did you want me to go and take the test?
我想，如果你有这些东西，为什么还要我去参加考试呢？
And then after that, it's like, I always remember he would calm down, and then he would just forget that it ever happened.
在那之后，我总是记得他会平静下来，然后他就会忘记这件事曾经发生过。
Yeah, he just-- nothing happened.
是的，他只是——什么也没发生。
Every time that I wanted to bring it up and to tell him, you know, you embarrassed me and you embarrassed yourself.
每次我想提起这件事并告诉他时，你知道，你让我感到尴尬，也让你自己感到尴尬。
Did you realize there was 10 people were looking at you?
您是否意识到有 10 个人在看着您？
Your kids were looking at you?
你的孩子在看着你吗？
He said, you're making too big of a deal.
他说，你做的事情太大了。
Nothing happened.
什么也没发生。
Everybody gets angry.
每个人都会生气。
It was kind of like living with an alcoholic.
这有点像和一个酒鬼住在一起。
This is my sister, Nilofar.
这是我的妹妹，尼洛法尔。
Nilofar Rafsanjani Because you never knew.
尼洛法尔·拉夫桑贾尼 因为你永远不知道。
Like, one second we'd go out for a picnic, and it'd be sunny, and everything would be great.
就像，前一秒我们出去野餐，天气晴朗，一切都会很棒。
And literally, the camera wouldn't work.
从字面上看，相机无法工作。
And he'd freak out, and the rest of the day would be shot to hell.
他会吓坏了，这一天剩下的时间都会被打入地狱。
When people asked me about my parents, I'd say, my mom doesn't love my dad, my dad loves my mom, and they're not very happy.
当人们问我关于我父母的事情时，我会说，我妈妈不爱我爸爸，我爸爸爱我妈妈，他们不太高兴。
And the only one who probably didn't see it that way was my dad.
唯一可能不这么认为的是我的父亲。
Nobody ever complained to him about his temper.
从来没有人向他抱怨过他的脾气。
And even now, he has a hard time remembering the moments that upset the rest of us.
即使现在，他也很难回忆起那些让我们其他人感到不安的时刻。
I thought it's OK.
我以为没关系。
Yeah, I thought if asking somebody your life is OK, your marriage is OK, yeah, I said, it was OK.
是的，我想如果问别人你的生活还好吗，你的婚姻还好吗，是的，我说，还好。
Because as a-- I don't know.
因为作为一个——我不知道。
Maybe as a Iranian man, I didn't see anything wrong.
也许作为一个伊朗人，我并没有看到什么问题。
My dad wasn't just being clueless.
我父亲不仅仅是无知。
By Iranian standards, there was nothing wrong with this marriage.
按照伊朗的标准，这段婚姻没有任何问题。
Most of my mother's friends put up with a lot worse.
我母亲的大多数朋友都忍受着更糟糕的情况。
And my mom was the first one to say that if they'd stayed in Iran, in an entire society that thought about marriage the way her Iranian friends did, my mother wouldn't have hit a breaking point.
我妈妈是第一个说如果他们留在伊朗的人，在整个社会都像她的伊朗朋友那样思考婚姻，我妈妈就不会崩溃。
It happened when she was 40 years old.
事情发生在她40岁的时候。
And because of complications from a medical procedure long ago in Iran, she'd had to get an emergency hysterectomy.
由于很久以前在伊朗进行的一次医疗手术出现了并发症，她不得不接受紧急子宫切除术。
My sex desire just gone down to the drain.
我的性欲就这样落空了。
And I talked to him.
我和他谈过。
I said just, I really can compromise with you.
我只是说，我真的可以向你妥协。
You're a healthy guy.
你是一个健康的人。
You have highly sex drive.
你的性欲很强。
And I'll work with it, but you need to work with me, too.
我会和它一起工作，但你也需要和我一起工作。
"Work with me" meant she'd still have sex with him, but a lot less than he wanted.
“和我一起工作”意味着她仍然会和他发生性关系，但比他想要的要少得多。
He said, no.
他说，不。
And he said, you know what?
他说，你知道吗？
I'm still young, and this is my desire.
我还年轻，这是我的愿望。
If you wanted me not to get angry, be happy, you know, be good husband, take it or leave it.
如果你想让我不生气、快乐，你知道，做个好丈夫，接受或离开。
And that night, I thought, OK, I'm all yours, [LAUGHS] until my kids get out of the house.
那天晚上，我想，好吧，我都是你的了，[笑]直到我的孩子们走出家门。
Then, I did my plan.
然后，我就执行了我的计划。
When they had this conversation, I was in eighth grade.
当他们进行这次谈话时，我正在八年级。
And we'd been in the US for almost nine years.
我们在美国已经快九年了。
I never knew this was a turning point, but my mother tells me it was the moment she started plotting her divorce.
我从来不知道这是一个转折点，但我母亲告诉我，那是她开始策划离婚的那一刻。
This was a huge step for her.
这对她来说是巨大的一步。
My family has lived in Tehran since the 1880s, and in that time, no one, not one couple, has divorced.
我的家人从 1880 年代起就住在德黑兰，那时没有人、没有一对夫妇离婚。
In 125 years, everyone on both sides of my parents' families has stayed married.
125年来，我父母双方家庭的每个人都保持着婚姻状态。
And that's not because there were so many happy marriages.
这并不是因为有那么多幸福的婚姻。
My mom plotted the divorce for six years.
我妈妈策划离婚六年了。
She waited until I left home and went to college, before she told my dad she wanted out.
她一直等到我离开家去上大学，才告诉我爸爸她想出去。
He was shocked.
他很震惊。
He'd had no idea this was coming.
他不知道会发生这样的事情。
And then, as if they wanted to make things as uncomfortable as possible, they continued to live together for six more months.
然后，好像他们想让事情变得尽可能不舒服，他们继续同居了六个月。
My mom had no other place to go.
我妈妈没有其他地方可去。
She filed the official divorce papers without telling my father while they were living in the same house.
当他们住在同一所房子里时，她在没有告诉我父亲的情况下提交了正式的离婚文件。
It was a pretty grim time.
那是一段相当严峻的时期。
I couldn't sleep.
我无法入睡。
I couldn't eat.
我吃不下饭。
And from a very small period of time, I start to drinking.
从很小的一段时间起，我就开始喝酒。
And I thought, OK, this is not good.
我想，好吧，这不好。
And then, I went to see the doctor, and he put myself in medication, like a Prozac or something.
然后，我去看医生，他让我自己接受药物治疗，比如百忧解之类的。
And that one helped me a little bit.
那对我有一点帮助。
But still, I was very, very-- I thought this, my life is done.
但我还是非常非常——我想，我的人生已经结束了。
I was constantly worried about my father.
我一直担心我的父亲。
I had no idea how he'd manage living by himself.
我不知道他如何独自生活。
I was still in college working as a secretary when I got a phone call one day.
有一天我接到一个电话时，我还在读大学，担任秘书。
It was my dad sobbing.
那是我父亲在哭泣。
I had seen him cry once before when his father died.
我曾见过他在他父亲去世时哭过一次。
And that time, he cried quietly.
那一次，他默默地哭了。
And I could tell he didn't want me to be any part of it.
我看得出来他不想让我参与其中。
On the phone that day at work, I had no idea what to do.
那天上班的时候，我在打电话时，不知道该怎么办。
I was in a crowded office, trying to sound like I was having a casual conversation.
我在一间拥挤的办公室里，试图让自己听起来像是在随意交谈。
People kept walking by, and I was trying to make my voice sound calm.
人们不断走过，我努力让自己的声音听起来平静。
Other calls kept coming in, but I couldn't put my dad on hold when he kept repeating, I can't do this, over and over again.
其他电话不断打进来，但我无法让我父亲保持沉默，因为他一遍又一遍地重复着“我不能这么做”。
I felt the same way talking to him-- I can't do this.
与他交谈时我也有同样的感觉——我不能这样做。
But for the first time in my life, I started spending time with him anyway, because I was scared for him.
但无论如何，我有生以来第一次开始花时间和他在一起，因为我为他感到害怕。
He'd come and visit me at school.
他会来学校看我。
I always made sure it was for breakfast.
我总是确保它是早餐。
I remember thinking that nobody gets too hysterical over breakfast.
我记得我想没有人会因为早餐而变得歇斯底里。
Do you remember talking to me about Mina and the stuff during that time?
你还记得那段时间和我谈论过米娜之类的事情吗？
Yeah, for the first year, I remember I talked to you about Mina.
是的，第一年，我记得我和你谈论过米娜。
And then after one year, I tried to not talk about anything at all, because I beg her, I ask her, OK, back together.
一年后，我试着不谈论任何事情，因为我求她，我问她，好吧，回到一起。
But when she said, no, I said, OK, this is never happen.
但当她说不时，我说，好吧，这永远不会发生。
It's going to be never happen.
这永远不会发生。
Why should I bother her?
我为什么要打扰她？
And somehow, I want to, a little bit, forget about Mina.
不知何故，我想稍微忘记米娜。
While I was worried about my dad, I was excited for my mother.
当我为爸爸担心的同时，我也为妈妈感到兴奋。
For 27 years, she thought my dad was the one thing holding her back.
27 年来，她一直认为我父亲是唯一阻碍她前进的因素。
And my sister and I thought what she thought.
我和姐姐也和她想的一样。
We had this glorious, liberated woman vision for her.
我们对她有这样一个光荣、解放的女性愿景。
I pictured her coming home, relaxing with a glass of wine.
我想象她回家后，喝着一杯酒放松一下。
I pictured her dating, throwing her head back in laughter at sophisticated jokes told by handsome men her age.
我想象着她约会的情景，听着同龄英俊男人讲的复杂笑话，她仰起头大笑起来。
I thought she'd divorce and turn into a completely different person-- a much happier person.
我以为她会离婚，变成一个完全不同的人——一个更快乐的人。
For a very short time, I was right.
在很短的时间内，我是对的。
There was a lot of relief.
心里松了一口气。
Looked like somebody took a big, heavy weight off my shoulders.
看起来有人卸下了我肩上的重担。
So I don't have to call person every two hours and tell him where am I.
所以我不必每两个小时打电话告诉他我在哪里。
I don't have to cook all the time.
我不必一直做饭。
I don't have to clean all the time.
我不需要一直打扫。
So it was me, and me, and me.
所以就是我，我，还有我。
So went to, you know, coffee shop, and sit there and read the newspaper.
所以去了咖啡店，坐在那里看报纸。
It was such a good feeling.
这种感觉真好。
I never had it, because I went from my parents' house to my husband's house.
我从来没有过，因为我从我父母家到我丈夫家。
She read the newspaper at a coffee shop exactly three times.
她在一家咖啡店把报纸足足看了三遍。
She never dated-- not once.
她从未约会过——一次也没有。
And things started getting harder.
事情开始变得更加困难。
My mom called me all the time in tears.
我妈妈总是哭着给我打电话。
She'd talk about how much she hated my dad.
她会谈论她有多么恨我爸爸。
And she'd tell me how lonely she was.
她会告诉我她是多么孤独。
She had all of this energy, and nobody to direct it to now that my dad was gone.
她拥有所有的精力，但自从我父亲去世后，没有人可以将其引导给她。
My mom had always seemed so independent, but that was when she was surrounded by people who depended on her.
我妈妈看起来总是那么独立，但那时她周围都是依赖她的人。
I was so isolated.
我是如此孤立。
My family weren't around.
我的家人不在身边。
My kids were so busy.
我的孩子们太忙了。
And my friends were very kind, very nice, but after in two years divorce, I never, ever had experienced that they invited me with the bunch of friends.
我的朋友们都很友善，很好，但是离婚两年后，我从来没有经历过他们邀请我和一群朋友一起。
They invited me like I'm a drug dealer, and nobody have to see me.
他们像毒贩一样邀请我，但没有人必须看到我。
And they feed me one night, and kick me out of the door.
有一天晚上，他们喂了我一顿饭，然后把我赶出了门。
Meanwhile, my dad was reluctantly turning into an American bachelor.
与此同时，我父亲不情愿地变成了一名美国单身汉。
He joined a gym.
他加入了一家健身房。
He had no food in his refrigerator.
他的冰箱里没有食物。
He was always at work at his dry cleaning business.
他一直在干洗店工作。
And if he did have any free time, he spent it reading that most American of genres.
如果他确实有空闲时间，他就会花时间阅读大多数美国类型的书籍。
Actually, I read a lot of book about relationship between man and woman.
其实我读了很多关于男女关系的书。
And one is give me good information-- Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus.
一是给我很好的信息——男人来自火星，女人来自金星。
I want to give myself more knowledge, what I did wrong.
我想让自己更多地了解自己做错了什么。
If I want to go to have a relationship with other lady, I don't have to do something like that.
如果我想和其他女士发生关系，我不必做那样的事情。
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus changed my father's life.
我不敢相信我会这么说，但《男人来自火星，女人来自金星》改变了我父亲的生活。
It's hard to imagine my dad sitting in his little apartment struggling with chapter titles like, "Women are Like Waves," and "Healing the Resentment Flu," but I can see why this book helped him.
很难想象我的父亲坐在他的小公寓里，为“女人就像波浪”和“治愈怨恨流感”这样的章节标题而苦苦挣扎，但我明白为什么这本书对他有帮助。
There's a thing in the beginning about how many marriages this book has saved and how everyone at any age is capable of change.
一开始就讲到这本书拯救了多少婚姻，以及每个年龄段的每个人都有能力改变。
And that's exactly what my dad needed-- someone to give him a chance.
这正是我父亲所需要的——有人给他机会。
The book offered simple advice like, as a man learns to listen and interpret a woman's feelings, communication becomes easier.
这本书提供了一些简单的建议，比如，当男人学会倾听和解释女人的感受时，沟通就会变得更容易。
If he becomes very frustrated while listening, he should not try to continue.
如果他在聆听时变得非常沮丧，他就不应该尝试继续。
Instead, the respectful thing to say is, I really want to hear what you are saying, but right now, it is very difficult for me to listen.
相反，应该恭敬地说，我很想听听你说的话，但现在，我很难听。
In this passage, the word "listen" appears eight times.
在这段文字中，“听”这个词出现了八次。
For my dad, who'd never been exposed to the idea that wives needed to be listened to, this was revolutionary.
对于我的父亲来说，他从未接触过妻子需要被倾听的想法，这是革命性的。
You know, I thought I'm right, that because I'm right, now everybody is not--
你知道，我以为我是对的，因为我是对的，但现在每个人都不是——
[INAUDIBLE] Abbas Rafsanjani Yeah, because of that.
[听不清] 阿巴斯·拉夫桑贾尼 是的，因为这个。
And some chapter of this book is give me, so OK, no, you wasn't right.
这本书的某些章节是给我的，所以好吧，不，你错了。
You have to relax and then listen.
你必须放松然后倾听。
My dad started dating.
我爸爸开始约会。
But the book didn't teach him not to talk about his ex-wife on his dates, so nothing was working out.
但这本书并没有教他在约会时不要谈论他的前妻，所以一切都没有结果。
But he was determined not to be alone.
但他决心不孤单。
So he had relatives in Iran introduce him to a woman, and he got engaged.
于是他让伊朗的亲戚给他介绍了一个女人，然后他就订婚了。
By this time, about 2 and 1/2 years after their divorce, I was more concerned about my mother than my father.
这时，大约在他们离婚后 2 又 1/2 年，我更关心我的母亲而不是我的父亲。
It was my father who, of the two of them, was seeming more liberated.
在他们两个人中，我父亲似乎更自由。
My mother just seemed stuck.
我妈妈似乎被困住了。
Every time I went to her house, there were three maps of San Jose covering her kitchen table.
每次我去她家，她厨房的桌子上都会放三张圣何塞地图。
She'd get home from work and just sit and stare at them, tracing out new and better routes she could take to her office.
她下班回到家，只是坐下来盯着他们，寻找通往办公室的新的、更好的路线。
All of her willpower had been used up just getting herself free.
她所有的意志力都用尽了，只是为了挣脱束缚。
I remember being so disappointed in my mom.
我记得我对妈妈非常失望。
She'd come this far, and then sort of just stopped.
她已经走了这么远，然后就停了下来。
There was nothing left in her to find someone new.
她已经没有能力去找新的人了。
In one point, I was in an airplane one day, and I saw a couple of old couples.
有一次，有一天我在飞机上，看到了一对老夫妇。
And I thought, oh, my god, I wish I was them.
我想，天哪，我希望我是他们。
I wish I had my, like, 30-years husband beside me.
我希望身边有我三十岁的丈夫。
And I was sitting behind them, and she started to explain to the guy that this is her friends, and this is that, and this is-- I thought oh, they're dating.
我坐在他们后面，她开始向那个人解释，这是她的朋友，这是，这是 - 我想哦，他们正在约会。
They're not husband and wife.
他们不是夫妻。
I thought, I don't want to-- in age 50, I don't want to explain to somebody my every single detail of my life.
我想，我不想——在 50 岁的时候，我不想向别人解释我生活中的每一个细节。
I want somebody to know me.
我想要有人认识我。
And yes, he gets angry.
是的，他生气了。
Yes, he's short-tempered.
是的，他脾气暴躁。
Yes, he's that, but I got old with him.
是的，他就是这样，但我和他一起变老了。
Not long after that came the day my mom did the second most surprising thing she would ever do in her life.
不久之后，我妈妈做了她一生中第二件最令人惊讶的事情。
It was two days after her 49th birthday.
那是她 49 岁生日后两天。
She called my sister to get together and celebrate, but my sister was busy.
她打电话给我姐姐一起庆祝，但我姐姐很忙。
She said, no, we celebrated your birthday year-- I mean, a week after we were going somewhere.
她说，不，我们庆祝了你的生日——我是说，在我们去某个地方一周后。
And why don't you get a boyfriend?
还有你为什么不找个男朋友？
Nah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
呐，哒哒，哒哒，哒哒，哒哒。
[LAUGHS] She said, if you're lonely, you have to get a boyfriend, and your problem is going to be solved.
[笑]她说，如果你孤独，你必须找个男朋友，你的问题就会得到解决。
You know, we have a life.
你知道，我们有自己的生活。
And that day I thought, this is not working.
那天我想，这行不通。
I need to fix this.
我需要解决这个问题。
This is not working.
这是行不通的。
I have to leave these kids alone.
我必须让这些孩子独自一人。
I have to get somewhere that I don't need her that much.
我必须去一个我不太需要她的地方。
I thought, let me try that old man again.
我想，让我再试试那个老人吧。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
One day, I remember Sunday afternoon, telephone is ringing.
有一天，我记得周日下午，电话铃响了。
And I pick up the phone.
我拿起电话。
After, I think, one year, it is Mina.
我想，一年后，就是米娜了。
I called him, and he got so surprised.
我给他打电话，他很惊讶。
He says, what's going on?
他说，怎么了？
Are you OK?
你还好吗？
I said, yeah, I'm OK.
我说，是的，我很好。
I was wondering, when is your wedding day?
我想知道，你结婚的日子是什么时候？
He said, well, two months from now.
他说，好吧，两个月后。
And you know, it's just I'm flying two weeks from now.
你知道，两周后我就要起飞了。
I said, well, congratulations.
我说，好吧，恭喜你。
I told you, I am going to get married with this lady.
我告诉过你，我要和这位女士结婚。
Even I told you everything.
甚至我都告诉你了。
Do you want to come back?
你想回来吗？
Still, I am coming.
尽管如此，我还是来了。
I want to come back to you.
我想回到你身边。
You know, I said, you're getting married, for god sake.
你知道，我说，看在上帝的份上，你要结婚了。
He said, well, yeah, but actually, you are my wife.
他说，嗯，是的，但实际上，你是我的妻子。
Suddenly, she started crying, very bad.
突然，她哭了起来，哭得很伤心。
I was worried about her.
我很担心她。
I was very, very upset again.
我又非常非常沮丧。
I didn't know what should I do now.
我不知道现在该怎么办。
My dad was two weeks away from going to collect his new bride.
距离我父亲去接他的新娘还有两周时间。
He felt awful about standing her up, but he'd never stopped loving my mom, even though he'd spent the last two years trying to forget about her.
让她站起来让他感觉很糟糕，但他从未停止爱我妈妈，尽管过去两年他一直试图忘记她。
And so he didn't really have a choice.
所以他真的别无选择。
My dad promised my mom that he'd changed, but she didn't want to move too fast.
我爸爸向我妈妈保证他会改变，但她不想动作太快。
So my parents, for the first time in their lives ever, started dating-- well, sort of.
所以我的父母有生以来第一次开始约会——嗯，算是吧。
On their first date, they didn't leave the house.
第一次约会时，他们没有离开家。
He came to my house.
他来到我家。
And you know, we talked.
你知道，我们谈过。
And in fact, I cried all throughout.
事实上，我自始至终都在哭。
Why are you crying now?
你现在怎么哭了？
Do you know?
你知道吗？
Is it because-- have you not talked-- is it because you haven't talked about this for a while?
是不是因为——你们没有说话吗——是不是因为你们已经有一段时间没有谈论这件事了？
Well, I think, when I look back, whole thing was a sad event.
好吧，我想，当我回头看时，整件事都是一件悲伤的事情。
And you know, I just told him, you know, what have we done regarding that point?
你知道，我只是告诉他，你知道，我们在这一点上做了什么？
He said, well, I did tons of mistakes, but you were with me with all those mistakes.
他说，好吧，我犯了很多错误，但你和我一起承担了所有这些错误。
Because you should have, you know been firmer.
因为你应该更加坚定。
You should have let me know that how much you hate me.
你应该让我知道你有多恨我。
You never told me that you hate me.
你从来没有告诉过我你恨我。
You never told me that you were that much upset.
你从来没有告诉过我你有那么难过。
You always said, yes, yes, yes, yes, and-- you know?
你总是说，是的，是的，是的，是的，而且——你知道吗？
And he listened.
他听了。
You know, I told him everything, and he never got upset, or never got offended, or never got red and blue, or-- you know?
你知道，我告诉了他一切，他从来没有感到不安，或者从来没有被冒犯，或者从来没有红和蓝，或者 - 你知道吗？
So I told him everything that I was upset about that I never had the guts to tell him.
于是我把我一直没有勇气告诉他的所有心烦意乱的事情都告诉了他。
And he listened.
他听了。
And he said, you're absolutely right.
他说，你说得完全正确。
I lost you.
我失去了你。
You were the most precious thing that I ever got.
你是我这辈子得到的最珍贵的东西。
And so I want to fix that, if you let me.
所以我想解决这个问题，如果你允许的话。
It was kind of relief, yeah.
这是一种解脱，是的。
We had a lot of information.
我们有很多信息。
We have to release for 25 years' marriage what parts we did wrong and what part it was OK.
我们必须公开25年婚姻中我们哪些部分做错了，哪些部分是可以的。
After our conversation and after he went to leave, he hugged me, and he said, you know, just let's try one more time, and let's see how it's going to go.
我们谈话后，他离开后，他拥抱了我，他说，你知道，我们再试一次，看看会怎样。
And he hugged me, and I thought, oh, my god, feels good.
他拥抱了我，我想，天哪，感觉真好。
[LAUGHS] I thought I fall into a shoulder that I can rely.
[笑]我以为我落入了一个可以依靠的肩膀。
The second courtship took six months, instead of three weeks.
第二次求爱花了六个月，而不是三周。
They got married at City Hall.
他们在市政厅结婚了。
Everyone they knew was overjoyed, except for my sister and me.
他们认识的每个人都欣喜若狂，除了我和姐姐。
We boycotted the wedding.
我们抵制婚礼。
It seemed ridiculous to us.
对我们来说这似乎很荒谬。
After three years of worrying about them and holding their hands, they were heading straight back into the misery they'd worked so hard to leave behind.
经过三年的担心和牵着他们的手之后，他们又回到了他们辛辛苦苦努力摆脱的痛苦之中。
But it turns out we were wrong.
但事实证明我们错了。
They traded their unhappy Iranian marriage for a happy American one.
他们用不幸福的伊朗婚姻换来了幸福的美国婚姻。
When you think about American relationships, you think about the divorces, the self-help books, the constant talking about feelings.
当你想到美国的人际关系时，你会想到离婚、自助书籍和不断谈论感情。
And even though all of that seems undignified and laughable, it's all working for my parents.
尽管这一切看起来有失尊严和可笑，但这一切对我的父母来说都是有效的。
Now I can see my dad struggling to keep his temper in check.
现在我可以看到我的父亲正在努力控制自己的脾气。
He thinks about hurting my mom now, about embarrassing her in a way he never did before.
他现在想伤害我妈妈，想以一种他以前从未做过的方式让她难堪。
I see them laugh with each other and talk to each other.
我看到他们互相笑着、互相交谈。
I used to be so nervous around them, because the atmosphere was so tense.
我以前和他们在一起时很紧张，因为气氛很紧张。
Now, they actually seem to like each other.
现在看来，他们确实互相喜欢着对方。
And for a long time, I attributed everything to my father's change.
而很长一段时间，我都把一切都归咎于父亲的改变。
He learned to control his temper, and now they're happy.
他学会了控制自己的脾气，现在他们很幸福。
But that's not the way they see it.
但他们并不这么看。
Divorce, I think, is changed Mina more than me also, a lot.
我认为，离婚对米娜的改变比我还大很多。
Basically, I had a lot of problem in my life that he wasn't the cause of it.
基本上，我生活中遇到的很多问题都不是他造成的。
When two years I sat down, I always thought, he's not here.
两年来，当我坐下来时，我总是想，他不在这里。
I still have those problems, you know?
我仍然有这些问题，你知道吗？
I don't socialize not because of-- it's not him, it's me.
我不参加社交活动不是因为——不是他，而是我。
Living on her own allowed my mother to see my father the way he'd always seen her-- as a choice she wanted to make.
独自生活让母亲能够以父亲一贯的方式看待她——这是她想要做出的选择。
And now she says she loves him for the first time in her life.
现在她说她有生以来第一次爱他。
Everybody agrees that if they'd stayed in Iran, none of this would have happened-- not the heartbreak, not the new-found compatibility.
每个人都同意，如果他们留在伊朗，这一切都不会发生——不会是心碎，也不会是新发现的兼容性。
This is my sister, Nilofar.
这是我的妹妹，尼洛法尔。
The West did break them up.
西方确实分裂了他们。
And then, they had the freedom to get back together again, you know?
然后，他们就有了再次复合的自由，你知道吗？
I always felt like we had such a weirdly and kind of such an American experience, like, all of a sudden in the middle.
我总觉得我们有一种如此奇怪和如此美国式的经历，就像，突然之间。
And I don't know what even that means except that my parents got divorced, and then they talked about their feelings, and they both went to therapy.
我什至不知道这意味着什么，只知道我的父母离婚了，然后他们谈论了自己的感受，然后他们都去接受了治疗。
And my dad read Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus.
我爸爸读过《男人来自火星，女人来自金星》。
He did, among other things.
他确实做到了，除其他外。
Nilofar Rafsanjani And we talked to my dad about relationships.
Nilofar Rafsanjani 我们和我父亲谈论了人际关系。
And he started dating.
他开始约会。
And I was just like-- it's like I feel like we had this family, like the crazy family on the block who doesn't put up Christmas lights, like the non-American, crazy family.
我就像——我觉得我们有这个家庭，就像街区里不挂圣诞彩灯的疯狂家庭，就像非美国人的疯狂家庭。
With a bad lawn.
草坪很差。
Nilofar Rafsanjani With a bad lawn all of our lives.
尼洛法尔·拉夫桑贾尼 (Nilofar Rafsanjani) 我们一生的草坪都很糟糕。
And then all of a sudden, my parents turned All-American and had this American experience.
然后突然之间，我的父母变成了全美最佳球员，并拥有了这种美国经历。
And now we're like this little happy family.
现在我们就像这个幸福的小家庭。
And it kind of grosses me out too, because I'm like, this is not where we fit.
这也让我感到恶心，因为我想，这不是我们适合的地方。
You know?
你知道？
This is not our family.
这不是我们的家人。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
I love it.
我喜欢它。
Nilofar Rafsanjani I think it's great.
尼洛法尔·拉夫桑贾尼 我认为这很棒。
I love it.
我喜欢它。
It feels really normal and good now.
现在感觉真的很正常而且很好。
I'm still struggling with normal and good.
我仍然在正常和美好中挣扎。
When you thought about your life as some slightly depressing, slightly boring novel lying on the bargain bookshelf, it's weird to have it end up on the bestseller rack in the self-help section.
当你把自己的生活想象成廉价书架上一本略显压抑、略显无聊的小说时，它最终出现在自助区的畅销书架上，这感觉很奇怪。
[MUSIC - MILES DAVIS, "SOMEDAY MY PRINCE WILL COME"]
[音乐 - 迈尔斯·戴维斯，“有一天我的王子会来”]
Nazanin Rafsanjani.
纳赞宁·拉夫桑贾尼。
In the years since we first broadcast that story, she was on the podcast Startup many times.
自从我们第一次广播这个故事以来的几年里，她多次出现在播客 Startup 上。
And she now heads new show development for the podcast company Gimlet Media.
她现在负责播客公司 Gimlet Media 的新节目开发。
Her parents are still together.
她的父母还在一起。
Coming up, a reunion that attempts to defy the most powerful force on Earth.
即将到来的是，一场试图反抗地球上最强大力量的重聚。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, we choose some theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，为您带来关于该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, "Reunited (And it Feels So Good)," stories of unlikely reunions achieved through the most difficult paths possible.
今天的节目“重聚（感觉很好）”讲述了通过最困难的道路实现不太可能重聚的故事。
And we've arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经进入了计划的第二幕。
Act Two, "And If By Chance We Meet Again." There's an old story about a reunion that goes like this.
第二幕，“如果有机会我们还能再见面。”关于重逢，有一个古老的故事是这样的。
There was Orpheus, and there was Eurydice.
有俄耳甫斯，也有欧律狄刻。
They were young.
他们还年轻。
They were in love.
他们相爱了。
And just after they married, she died an untimely death.
而他们刚结婚不久，她就英年早逝了。
And his love was so great that he went to the gates of the underworld, tried things nobody had ever done to try to bring her back to life.
他的爱是如此伟大，以至于他走进了地狱之门，尝试了从未有人做过的事情，试图让她复活。
And for a little while, just a little while, it seemed like he had succeeded.
有那么一会儿，就一会儿，他似乎成功了。
This next story is just like that, except it's about a bull.
下一个故事与此类似，只不过是关于一头公牛。
He's just like a big bundle of just loving whatever.
他就像一个大包子，只爱任何东西。
If you've ever had a favorite dog that you can think of as a child, or some other animal-- and he'd lick your face, you know?
如果你小时候养过一只你最喜欢的狗，或者其他动物——他会舔你的脸，你知道吗？
And yes, he was cuddly.
是的，他很可爱。
"Cuddly" is not usually the word you used to describe a full-grown Brahman bull.
“可爱”通常不是用来描述成年婆罗门公牛的词。
They're white, regal, ancient-looking, with huge horns and a blackened hump the size of a bowling ball that rises between their shoulders.
它们是白色的，高贵的，看上去古老，有巨大的角和一个保龄球大小的黑色驼峰，在它们的肩膀之间升起。
[BULL SNORT] Ralph Fisher That muscle right there is the one that throws all the bull riders off.
[公牛哼哼] 拉尔夫·费舍尔 (Ralph Fisher) 那里的那块肌肉是让所有公牛骑手都望而却步的肌肉。
When they flex that muscle, the rope just pops right out of their hand, and they're long gone.
当他们收缩肌肉时，绳子就会从他们手中弹出，然后他们就消失了。
Yes, you're a good boy.
是的，你是个好孩子。
Yeah.
是的。
Bulls usually don't even want you near them.
公牛通常甚至不希望你靠近他们。
Come on, buddy.
来吧，伙计。
Ira Glass Now, Ralph Fisher had been around bulls and steer all his life.
艾拉·格拉斯 现在，拉尔夫·费舍尔一生都与公牛和驯牛打交道。
He'd worked the rodeo as a young man.
他年轻时参加过牛仔竞技表演。
He'd trained animals as an adult.
他成年后就训练过动物。
When he found Chance at an auction, he'd never seen a bull so tame.
当他在拍卖会上发现钱斯时，他从未见过如此驯服的公牛。
His kids would climb all over Chance.
他的孩子们会爬遍Chance。
Chance would nuzzle up to Ralph's wife, Sandra, and lean his head.
钱斯会用鼻子蹭拉尔夫的妻子桑德拉，并低下头。
It really is like having a pet dog or a pet cat, except the size.
这真的就像养一只宠物狗或一只宠物猫，除了体型不同。
But they seem so much less demonstrative, you know?
但他们看起来不那么外向，你知道吗？
That's wrong.
那是错误的。
Ira Glass I don't know if Ralph and Sandra would agree with this, but I think everything that went bad, all the trouble that eventually unfolded, it all came because they were blinded by their feelings.
艾拉·格拉斯 我不知道拉尔夫和桑德拉是否会同意这一点，但我认为一切变坏的事情，所有最终出现的麻烦，这一切都是因为他们被自己的感情蒙蔽了双眼。
With the world's largest Herd of saddle-broke tame Texas Longhorns and Brahmans, Ralph Fisher's photo animals are sure to be a crowd-pleaser at your corporate gathering, convention, sales meeting, or even at your own private party.
拉尔夫·费舍尔 (Ralph Fisher) 拥有世界上最大的驯服德克萨斯长角牛和婆罗门牛群，在您的公司聚会、会议、销售会议甚至您自己的私人聚会上，拉尔夫·费舍尔 (Ralph Fisher) 拍摄的动物照片一定会成为众人瞩目的焦点。
Ralph and Sandra have a family business taking pictures of people standing next to or on top of animals at barbecues, parties, the occasional presidential inaugural ball.
拉尔夫和桑德拉有一家家族企业，在烧烤、聚会、偶尔的总统就职舞会上为站在动物旁边或上面的人们拍照。
And Chance was the star.
机会是明星。
This is their promotional video.
这是他们的宣传视频。
They did dozens of shots of people sitting on Chance, one after another.
他们拍摄了几十张坐在钱斯身上的人的镜头，一个接一个。
With $1 million liability insurance, beautiful tame animals, and state of the art photo equipment, we furnish your clients and guests with a lasting memory of your Texas event.
我们拥有 100 万美元的责任保险、美丽驯服的动物和最先进的摄影设备，为您的客户和宾客提供德克萨斯州活动的持久记忆。
Because of the business, Chance is possibly the most photographed bull who's ever lived.
由于这项业务，钱斯可能是有史以来被拍照次数最多的公牛。
Chance met Ashley Judd and Roger Clements, Mother Theresa and Sonny Bono-- those were separate meetings-- Hitman Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Dan Rather.
机会遇见了阿什莉·贾德、罗杰·克莱门茨、特蕾莎修女和桑尼·波诺——这些都是单独的会面——还有杀手·赫恩斯、舒格·雷·伦纳德、丹·拉瑟。
Chance did the Letterman Show.
机会参加了莱特曼秀。
You know, this animal, certain parts of this animal, it looks like he's shoplifting sporting goods.
你知道，这只动物，这只动物的某些部分，看起来他在商店偷体育用品。
Chance was in a movie with Vince Vaughn.
机会与文斯·沃恩一起出演一部电影。
Yes, sir.
是的，先生。
That's about the handsomest bull I've seen in all my days of cattle ranching.
这是我养牛生涯中见过的最漂亮的公牛。
In the movie, Jeremy Davies plays a guy who doesn't talk to people, but does talk to Chance, which all builds to this climactic scene where, for reasons that are not exactly clear, Kate Capshaw castrates Chance in the middle of the night in a driving rainstorm, just to prove a point.
在电影中，杰里米·戴维斯扮演一个不与人交谈，但确实与钱斯交谈的人，这一切都建立在这个高潮场景中，出于尚不清楚的原因，凯特·卡普肖在半夜在暴雨中阉割了钱斯，只是为了证明一点。
Now, you watch this, because I'm only gonna show you once.
现在，你看这个，因为我只会给你看一次。
Ira Glass So Sandra and Ralph had this really sweet situation.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）所以桑德拉（Sandra）和拉尔夫（Ralph）的处境非常甜蜜。
They got to work side-by-side with all these animals, which they loved.
他们与这些他们喜爱的动物并肩工作。
Chance was so tame that he was allowed out of the pasture and even had a favorite spot in the front yard, under the trees.
机会是如此的驯服，以至于他被允许离开牧场，甚至在前院的树下有一个最喜欢的地方。
Sandra would watch him from the kitchen window, which was a really nice feeling.
桑德拉会从厨房的窗户看着他，这种感觉真的很好。
You'd be doing the dishes, and you'd look out, and there's your tame pet bull, like Ferdinand, laying on the grass.
你在洗碗，向外张望，你那头驯服的宠物公牛，比如费迪南德，就躺在草地上。
Then, a rainy day in September, Chance didn't come in from the pasture to eat.
然后，九月的一个下雨天，钱斯没有从牧场回来吃饭。
Sandra went looking for him.
桑德拉去找他。
And finally, Ralph headed out to the pasture and found him dead.
最后，拉尔夫前往牧场，发现他死了。
He was 19, which was really old for a bull.
他当时19岁，对于一头公牛来说已经很老了。
It was a really a sad day.
这真是悲伤的一天。
I took the camera out, and I was going to take some pictures.
我拿出相机，准备拍几张照片。
And then I said, well, you know, he deserves more than that.
然后我说，好吧，你知道，他应该得到更多。
So I skinned him.
于是我剥了他的皮。
I skinned his whole body.
我剥了他全身的皮。
It took me all day.
我花了一整天的时间。
It was raining.
正在下雨。
So it was a really sad time.
所以那是一段非常悲伤的时光。
I'd skin a while, and cry a while.
我会剥一会儿皮，哭一会儿。
I was just like a baby, just crying like a baby out there with my knife, you know, skinning him.
我就像一个婴儿，只是像婴儿一样哭泣，拿着我的刀，你知道，剥他的皮。
And I'm going, well, somebody has to do this.
我要去，好吧，必须有人来做这件事。
And I'd have to toughen up and regroup.
我必须坚强起来并重新集结。
And this lasted all day long.
这种情况持续了一整天。
And I guess I was a complete wreck by the time it was all over with
我想当一切结束时我已经彻底崩溃了
Ralph says he had no choice.
拉尔夫说他别无选择。
He had to skin him in the first 24 hours, because he wanted to get him taxidermied, turn him into a full-sized Brahman statue, have been around forever.
他必须在最初的24小时内剥他的皮，因为他想把他剥成标本，把他变成一尊全尺寸的婆罗门雕像，永远存在。
And people could still have their picture taken with him.
人们仍然可以和他合影。
Chance could stay in the family business.
机会可能会留在家族企业。
So I was so emotional-- everything was really emotional.
所以我非常情绪化——一切都非常情绪化。
And all the family had a good cry too-- all of my kids and the people who knew him so long.
全家人都哭了——我所有的孩子和认识他这么久的人。
They all just hated that.
他们都讨厌这样。
OK, rewind.
好的，倒带。
Three months before all that happened, Ralph heard about this way that he might be able to cheat death with Chance and keep him around.
在这一切发生的三个月前，拉尔夫听说了这样的事，他也许可以用机会欺骗死亡，并把他留在身边。
It was more than taxidermy, but it was a real long shot.
这不仅仅是动物标本剥制术，但也是一个真正的成功案例。
Someone called me and said, we've read an article in the paper that A&M is going to clone an animal.
有人打电话给我说，我们在报纸上读到一篇文章，说 A&M 将克隆动物。
What do you mean, "clone?" They said, you know, clone, make one from another one.
“克隆”是什么意思？他们说，你知道，克隆，用另一个来制作一个。
I said, oh, no, it can't be.
我说，哦，不，不可能。
A&M is Texas A&M, a world-famous veterinary school and animal hospital.
A&M是德州A&M，世界著名的兽医学校和动物医院。
It just happens to be an hour and a half drive from Ralph's house.
恰好距离拉尔夫家有一个半小时的车程。
It was Chance's regular hospital.
这是钱斯常去的医院。
And so we called up and said, you know, you're going to clone an animal, right?
所以我们打电话说，你知道，你要克隆一种动物，对吧？
They said, yes, we take tissue and we-- and we said, well, why don't you use Chance?
他们说，是的，我们拿纸巾，然后我们说，好吧，你为什么不使用 Chance？
And so other folks would call, then.
那么其他人就会打电话来。
Some friends would call and talk to him.
有些朋友会打电话和他交谈。
And they finally just-- I think we bothered them so much, they gave up.
他们最终只是——我认为我们太打扰他们了，他们放弃了。
They said, OK, well, we'll do it.
他们说，好吧，我们会做的。
In the end, the scientists decided to clone Chance for a simple reason-- he was old.
最终，科学家们决定克隆钱斯，原因很简单——他老了。
There were some things they thought they might find out by cloning an older animal.
他们认为通过克隆较古老的动物可能会发现一些事情。
And Chance was there anyway, getting a mole biopsied for disease.
不管怎样，机会还是在那里，对一颗痣进行了活检以检查是否有疾病。
The scientists could use the DNA from the mole to do their cloning.
科学家们可以利用鼹鼠的 DNA 进行克隆。
In Texas tonight, a man, his wife, and their bull have been reunited.
今晚在德克萨斯州，一名男子、他的妻子和他们的公牛团聚了。
10 months and 18 days after Chance died, the long shot paid off.
钱斯去世 10 个月零 18 天后，这一远大目标得到了回报。
A clone was born-- the first cloned bull.
克隆人诞生了——第一头克隆公牛。
It was huge news.
这是一个大新闻。
And it was Ralph who figured out what to call Chance's clone.
拉尔夫想出了如何称呼钱斯的克隆人。
Second Chance.
第二次机会。
And he was just the prettiest little white Brahman calf you ever saw.
他是你见过的最漂亮的白色小婆罗门小牛。
And spindly.
而且细长。
And barely able to stand.
而且还勉强能站起来。
I thought it was the same animal.
我以为是同一种动物。
I would say, you know, we got him back.
我想说，你知道，我们把他找回来了。
That's the first headline, I think, in the news clippings when they interviewed me-- we got him back.
我想，这是他们采访我时新闻剪报中的第一个标题——我们把他找回来了。
The vets at A&M would ask us, or kidded with us about whether the calf was going to recognize his own stall in the barn when we got him home.
A&M 的兽医会问我们，或者跟我们开玩笑，当我们把小牛带回家时，它是否会认出自己在谷仓里的马厩。
But we sort of blew that off.
但我们有点把它搞砸了。
Well, the first day we brought him home, we turned him loose over here in the yard.
好吧，我们带他回家的第一天，我们就把他放回了院子里。
And he went over and laid down in the same spot.
他走过去，在同一个地方躺下。
This still kind of chokes me up.
这仍然让我感到窒息。
He laid down in the same spot that Chance laid in, you know?
他躺在钱斯躺过的地方，你知道吗？
That's not reasonable.
这不合理。
The other thing they noticed right away with Second Chances is that he has Chance's same mannerisms when he eats-- unusual mannerisms.
他们在“第二次机会”身上立即注意到的另一件事是，他吃饭时也有同样的习惯——不寻常的习惯。
Instead of putting his head into a feed bucket and holding it down there and chewing until there's no more food, both Chance and Second Chance raise their heads, close their eyes, and chew.
机会和第二次机会都抬起头，闭上眼睛，然后咀嚼，而不是把他的头放进饲料桶里，一直咀嚼到没有食物为止。
I've never seen another animal do that.
我从未见过其他动物这样做。
I've never seen another animal do that.
我从未见过其他动物这样做。
And there's something else about Second Chance, something harder to quantify.
关于“第二次机会”还有其他一些难以量化的东西。
I just feel like he always recognized Ralph Fisher.
我只是觉得他总是认出拉尔夫·费舍尔。
And Ralph would lay down on the ground, and Second Chance would lick him and lick his boots.
拉尔夫会躺在地上，第二次机会会舔他，舔他的靴子。
And Second Chance would lope across the pasture and come to us.
第二次机会会小跑穿过牧场，来到我们身边。
And we watched other people.
我们观察其他人。
Vets would crawl in there, and he wouldn't come across the pasture to them.
兽医们会爬进去，而他不会穿过牧场去找他们。
He just always seemed to recognize Ralph.
他似乎总能认出拉尔夫。
And what did you think?
你觉得怎么样？
Did you think somehow his memory got transferred?
你认为他的记忆被转移了吗？
Well, no. I still don't think that.
嗯，不。我还是不这么认为。
I think that he just has the same instincts, the same-- that he's going to make the same choices.
我认为他只是有同样的本能，同样的——他会做出同样的选择。
Why would the eating thing be the same?
为什么吃的东西会一样？
A clone is akin to a genetically identical twin.
克隆类似于基因相同的双胞胎。
It's not the same animal.
这不是同一种动物。
It's not Chance.
这不是机会。
Dr. Mark Westhusin is one of the scientists who runs the Reproductive Sciences Lab at Texas A&M, the lab that cloned Second Chance.
马克·韦斯特胡辛 (Mark Westhusin) 博士是德克萨斯农工大学生殖科学实验室的科学家之一，该实验室克隆了“第二次机会”。
And he says that because a clone is just a twin-- nothing more, nothing less-- it may not even look the same as the original.
他说，因为克隆只是双胞胎——仅此而已——它甚至可能看起来与原始克隆不一样。
And just like twins, clones don't necessarily act like the originals either.
就像双胞胎一样，克隆人的行为也不一定像原始人一样。
But Dr. Westhusin understands how Ralph or Sandra may not see it that way.
但韦斯特胡森博士理解拉尔夫或桑德拉可能不这么认为。
Well, people get attached to their animals, and they-- you know?
嗯，人们对他们的动物有依恋，而他们——你知道吗？
And they want to, sometimes, see more than is there.
有时，他们想要看到比那里更多的东西。
And they do see more than is, maybe, really there.
他们确实看到了比实际存在的更多的东西。
And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
这不一定是坏事。
I mean, that's like--
我的意思是，这就像——
That's love, right there.
这就是爱，就在那里。
Mark Westhusin Yeah, that's love.
马克·维斯特胡辛 是的，这就是爱。
That's not necessarily a bad thing.
这不一定是坏事。
And it was interesting for me to listen to Ralph tell how he lies under the same tree, and he eats his food just the same as the old Chance did.
对我来说，听拉尔夫讲述他如何躺在同一棵树下，以及他如何像老钱斯一样吃东西，这对我来说很有趣。
And I'm like, that's really cool, Ralph, you know?
我想，这真的很酷，拉尔夫，你知道吗？
But I just-- how's his blood glucose today?
但我只是——他今天的血糖怎么样？
[LAUGHS] I'm interested in that, you know?
[笑]我对此很感兴趣，你知道吗？
Dr. Westhusin reminded me several times, this is not the same animal.
Westhusin博士多次提醒我，这不是同一种动物。
Don't expect the same attitude from a pet.
不要期望宠物也有同样的态度。
And I didn't believe him, because everything looked the same.
我不相信他，因为一切看起来都一样。
Just when I see him, especially at a distance, he looks so much like Chance.
当我看到他时，尤其是在远处，他看起来非常像钱斯。
And every day, as he gets older and older, so much.
随着他一天天长大，他的年纪越来越大。
Every year on Second Chance's birthday, Ralph and Sandra would throw a party for him, fire up some barbecue-- which, if you think about it, would be so disturbing for the guest of honor, if only he knew.
每年第二次机会的生日，拉尔夫和桑德拉都会为他举办一场派对，点燃一些烧烤——如果你仔细想想，如果主宾知道的话，这会让他感到非常不安。
Anyway, on his fourth birthday, all the family, and friends, and neighbors came to the front yard, posed for pictures with Second Chance.
不管怎样，在他四岁生日那天，所有的家人、朋友和邻居都来到前院，与第二次机会合影留念。
We had his birthday cake, which is a big feed tub with candles on top.
我们吃了他的生日蛋糕，这是一个大饲料桶，上面有蜡烛。
And we blew the candles out.
我们吹灭了蜡烛。
And I said, it's about dark, so I think I'll lead him back to the barn.
我说，天快黑了，所以我想我会带他回谷仓。
I put one finger in his nose ring, which is a common thing.
我把一根手指放在他的鼻环上，这是很常见的事情。
It gives you close contact.
它让您近距离接触。
And if they make any aggression, you can immediately feel it and respond, you know?
如果他们做出任何攻击，你可以立即感觉到并做出反应，你知道吗？
Anyway, I was walking him.
无论如何，我一直在遛他。
We just did a few steps out of the yard, and I had the lead rope in the other hand.
我们刚走出院子几步，我另一只手拿着牵绳。
We just took a few steps, and then, boom, caught me with his horn and slammed me down.
我们刚走了几步，然后，砰的一声，他用角抓住了我，把我摔倒了。
And that's when he dislocated my shoulder.
就在那时，他使我的肩膀脱臼了。
Hit me in the back, so I was immobile on that side.
打到了我的后背，所以我那边一动不动。
He picked me up and [MAKES WHOOSH NOISE] slammed me down, you see?
他把我抱起来然后[发出嘶嘶声]把我摔倒了，你看到了吗？
And then he proceeded to get on top of me with mostly his head, his forehead, and his horns.
然后他开始用他的头、前额和角压到我身上。
We found three deep, deep holes, six or eight inches, in the yard that next day where he had missed me.
第二天，我们在院子里发现了三个很深很深的洞，六到八英寸，他就是在那里想念我的。
And he was really trying-- he was really attacking.
他真的很努力——他真的很进攻。
It was like, you know, on purpose.
就像，你知道，是故意的。
Oh, no. I said, oh no, this can't be.
哦，不。我说，哦，不，这不可能。
This can't be happening.
这不可能发生。
Because we had had so much faith in him.
因为我们对他充满信心。
And you know, oh, it just-- you know, I didn't-- at that time, all I was thinking about was, why are you doing this?
你知道，哦，只是——你知道，我没有——当时，我所想的只是，你为什么要这样做？
Why?
为什么？
And I was just so disappointed the whole time.
我一直都很失望。
I remember, when I was kicking him in the face, I was just going, how could you be doing this to me?
我记得，当我踢他的脸时，我就想，你怎么能这样对我？
Quit it.
戒掉吧。
I think my feelings-- he actually hurt my pride.
我想我的感情——他实际上伤害了我的自尊。
Since the attack, Ralph acknowledges Second Chance is not the same animal as Chance.
袭击发生后，拉尔夫承认“第二次机会”与“机会”不是同一动物。
And he believes it.
他相信这一点。
He definitely believes it.
他绝对相信。
When you love, you see what you want to see.
当你爱的时候，你会看到你想看到的。
Everybody knows that.
每个人都知道这一点。
And part of him still holds out hope-- hope that even if Second Chance is not Chance right now, he'll turn into Chance, they'll still get their reunion.
他内心的一部分仍然抱有希望——希望即使第二次机会现在不是机会，他也会变成机会，他们仍然会团聚。
Well, the hope is involving his age, since I did not have chance until he was almost seven years old.
嗯，希望与他的年龄有关，因为直到他快七岁的时候我才有机会。
Right.
正确的。
Ralph Fisher I don't really know how Second Chance is supposed to act.
拉尔夫·费舍尔（Ralph Fisher） 我真的不知道“第二次机会”应该如何运作。
Oh, you don't know if Chance was just like this back in the day?
哦，你不知道Chance当年是不是也是这样？
Right.
正确的。
Right.
正确的。
So he might just have to go through a little stage and settle down.
所以他可能只需要经历一个小阶段并安定下来。
I know horses settle down.
我知道马会安定下来。
My Texas Longhorns settle down.
我的德克萨斯长角牛安定下来了。
Ralph, here's one of things that I've been really wondering about your situation.
拉尔夫，关于你的情况，这是我一直很好奇的一件事。
I wonder if having Second Chance around all the time is ever painful for you, because it reminds you that you don't have Chance?
我想知道一直有第二次机会对你来说是否会感到痛苦，因为它提醒你你没有机会？
It's like, here, you have this ghost of your favorite animal walking the property, who isn't exactly Chance, and if it just kind of breaks your heart a little bit?
就好像，在这里，你最喜欢的动物的鬼魂在你的房子里走来走去，它不完全是机会，如果它只是让你有点心碎呢？
No, sir, it's just the opposite.
不，先生，恰恰相反。
You're just exactly as wrong as you can be.
你完全错了。
So far, right now, I feel like we've gotten about 95% of him back-- I mean, the same qualities, the same fun.
到目前为止，现在，我觉得我们已经恢复了他 95% 的状态——我的意思是，同样的品质，同样的乐趣。
That satisfies me.
这让我很满意。
That's better than zero.
这比零好。
When he was laying out in that pasture out there dead, he was a zero.
当他躺在牧场上死去时，他的成绩为零。
I mean, we would never have any enjoyment out of him any more.
我的意思是，我们再也不会从他身上得到任何乐趣了。
And there's a tremendous difference between 0 and 95%.
0% 和 95% 之间存在巨大差异。
People want to believe it is resurrection, sometimes.
有时人们愿意相信这是复活。
And it is, in fact, not resurrection.
事实上，这并不是复活。
It's reproduction.
这是繁殖。
This is bad news Dr. Westhusin has had to deliver to a lot of people over the years.
这是韦斯特胡辛博士多年来不得不向很多人传达的坏消息。
It was his lab at Texas A&M that cloned the first house pet, that cloned a cat named CC.
他在德克萨斯农工大学的实验室克隆了第一只家养宠物，克隆了一只名叫 CC 的猫。
It was international news.
这是国际新闻。
And for a while, his lab got a lot of money from investors who wanted to start a business cloning people's pets-- which they've gotten away from now.
有一段时间，他的实验室从投资者那里获得了大量资金，这些投资者想开办一家克隆人们宠物的企业——但现在他们已经摆脱了这种情况。
But for a while, the scientists were deluged with calls from pet owners, people who wanted what Ralph and Sandra wanted-- they wanted their animals back.
但有一段时间，科学家们接到了大量来自宠物主人的电话，他们想要拉尔夫和桑德拉想要的东西——他们想要回他们的动物。
You know, some were like, I have hair in the jewelry box that I've kept for 10 years.
你知道，有些人会说，我的珠宝盒里有头发，我已经保存了 10 年了。
And will that work?
那会起作用吗？
No. You know, I had several calls where the animals had already been buried, and they were so-- you know, I didn't think about this till after I buried him.
不，你知道，我接到过几次电话，说动物已经被埋葬了，而且它们是如此——你知道，直到我埋葬了他之后我才想到这一点。
Do you think there'd be any possibility we could go out in the yard and dig it up and get some tissues to clone this animal back?
你认为我们有可能到院子里把它挖出来并拿一些纸巾来克隆这只动物吗？
And I'm just like, well, no, I don't think so.
我只是想，嗯，不，我不这么认为。
It's going to be pretty ran and full of bacteria.
它会非常运转并且充满细菌。
And we probably will not be able to get the tissue.
我们可能无法拿到纸巾。
And they'd say, well, it's cold up here, you know?
他们会说，好吧，这里很冷，你知道吗？
And it was frozen when we did it, so I'm sure the carcass is still frozen.
我们做的时候它是冷冻的，所以我确信尸体仍然是冷冻的。
And it hasn't deteriorated too much.
而且还没有恶化太多。
What do you think?
你怎么认为？
When I visited Ralph's ranch to interview him and Sandra, it had been about a year and a half since the birthday party where Second Chance attacked Ralph.
当我去拉尔夫的牧场采访他和桑德拉时，距离第二次机会袭击拉尔夫的生日聚会已经过去了大约一年半。
There were a bunch of us on this trip, including a film crew.
这次旅行我们有很多人，包括一个电影摄制组。
And one night while we were taping up by the house, we heard a scream.
一天晚上，当我们在房子旁边用胶带封起来时，我们听到一声尖叫。
And one of the crew came running up from the barn where Ralph and Second Chance were.
一名船员从拉尔夫和第二次机会所在的谷仓跑了过来。
The bull attacked him.
公牛攻击了他。
What's the address here?
这里的地址是什么？
We threw Ralph into a car and rushed him into town to the nearest hospital.
我们把拉尔夫扔进车里，把他送往镇上最近的医院。
He was banged up pretty badly.
他被撞得很厉害。
Finally, Sandra came out from the emergency room to tell us that he'd be getting 80 stitches where Second Chance gored him.
最后，桑德拉从急诊室出来告诉我们，他被“第二次机会”刺伤的地方要缝 80 针。
Yeah.
是的。
And he gored him, like, in his crotch?
然后他用角抵住了他，比如，在他的胯部？
It's his left scrotum is ripped, and his testicle's hanging out.
他的左侧阴囊被撕裂，睾丸悬在外面。
[SIGHS]
[叹气]
Oh, god.
哦，上帝。
Ira Glass One of the producers of This American Life, Jane Marie, was in the barn, and she saw the attack.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）是《美国生活》的制片人之一，简·玛丽（Jane Marie）当时在谷仓里，她看到了这次袭击。
She says Ralph was bringing Second Chance some feed, trying to back him into a pen, when Second Chances just tossed Ralph.
她说拉尔夫正在给第二次机会带来一些饲料，试图将他放回围栏里，这时第二次机会就把拉尔夫扔了出去。
I screamed.
我尖叫起来。
And I didn't want to look at it because I thought he was going to kill him, you know?
我不想看它，因为我以为他会杀了他，你知道吗？
And I didn't want--
而我并不想——
And what did you see?
你看到了什么？
Jane Marie I just saw him fly up in the air, and then the bull-- it was loud.
简·玛丽，我刚刚看到他飞到空中，然后公牛——声音很大。
It seemed really loud, because it was at the corner of the fence.
听起来真的很吵，因为它就在栅栏的拐角处。
So he threw up in the air, and he landed on the corner of the fences.
于是他向空中吐了，然后落在了栅栏的一角上。
And he's ramming him in the ground, into the fence.
他把他按在地上，撞到栅栏上。
So the fences are all shaking, and the bull's making all the noises.
所以栅栏都在摇晃，公牛也发出了所有的噪音。
[INAUDIBLE] Jane Marie And it seems like the bull's going to break through the fences after he's done killing him, you know what I mean?
[听不清] Jane Marie 公牛杀死他后似乎会冲破栅栏，你知道我的意思吗？
It was very, very loud, very, very fast.
声音非常非常大，非常非常快。
It's almost like Second Chance was trying to tell Ralph that he's not Chance, using the only language he has.
这几乎就像“第二次机会”试图用他唯一拥有的语言告诉拉尔夫他不是“机会”。
And of course, he's not Chance.
当然，他不是钱斯。
In movies and books, when somebody tries to bring back a loved one from the dead-- whether it's a pet, or if it's a person-- it never works out well.
在电影和书籍中，当有人试图让亲人起死回生时——无论是宠物还是人——结果都不会很好。
It's one of the all-time ranking bad ideas, right up there with deciding to give robots and computers human feelings, or going back in time to change just one little thing in the past.
这是有史以来最糟糕的想法之一，与决定赋予机器人和计算机人类情感，或者回到过去改变过去的一件小事一样。
The next day, we were finally allowed to see Ralph in his hospital room.
第二天，我们终于获准在拉尔夫的病房里见到他。
Oh, I feel good.
哦，我感觉很好。
They had me up walking this morning, first thing.
今天早上他们第一件事就是让我出去散步。
I've walked the block in the hospital about four times now, and the last two without any help.
我已经在医院的街区走了四次了，最后两次是在没有任何帮助的情况下走过的。
There was a scar on his nose.
他的鼻子上有一道伤疤。
His lip and chin were busted.
他的嘴唇和下巴都被撞破了。
His spine, we found out later, had a hairline fracture.
我们后来发现，他的脊柱出现了发丝状骨折。
So you were saying when we talked before that you felt like, with Second Chance, what you've got is 95% of what Chance was.
所以，当我们之前谈论时，您说您感觉，有了 Second Chance，您所获得的就是 Chance 的 95%。
And I wonder if, after this incident, you might downgrade him to just, like, 80%, or 70%?
我想知道，在这件事之后，你是否会将他的评分降到 80% 或 70%？
[LAUGHING] No, because this is exactly the same type incident as when he butted me 18 months ago, a year and a half ago, when he--
[笑] 不，因为这与 18 个月前、一年半前他撞我的事件完全相同，当时他——
Come on, you think, really, 95% after that?
来吧，你认为，真的，95% 之后？
I'm just thinking that, you know, we just have to have a lot of faith in things to work out.
我只是想，你知道，我们必须对事情有很大的信心才能解决问题。
So I forgive him, you know?
所以我原谅他了，你知道吗？
I just shouldn't have been that close.
我只是不应该那么接近。
Yeah.
是的。
What would Second Chance have to do to convince you he's never going to be like Chance?
第二次机会必须做什么才能让你相信他永远不会像机会一样？
Like, how many times would he have to attack you?
比如，他要攻击你多少次？
After he's seven, then he has to attack me.
等他七岁了，他就得攻击我了。
Then the lines will be drawn in the sand, like we were discussing.
然后，就像我们讨论的那样，线条将被画在沙子上。
Yeah.
是的。
You still have hope.
你还有希望。
Ralph Fisher Oh, yeah.
拉尔夫·费希尔 噢，是的。
Surely, yeah.
当然，是的。
I've been having fun here, and-- Sandra, hand me that horse, would you?
我在这里玩得很开心，而且——桑德拉，把那匹马递给我，好吗？
Sandra hands him this little toy horse that one of their friends brought Ralph.
桑德拉递给他一匹小玩具马，这是他们的一个朋友给拉尔夫带来的。
That's how I feel right now, you know?
这就是我现在的感受，你知道吗？
He-he-he-he-he-he-he.
嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿。
I'm going to walk out of here tomorrow or the next day, and I'll go right back out there and give him another bucket of feed.
明天或后天我会走出这里，然后我会立即回到那里，再给他一桶饲料。
I mean, that's what you have to do.
我的意思是，这就是你必须做的。
Yeah.
是的。
Ralph Fisher If it was easy, there'd be a bunch of kids out there taking care of Brahman bulls.
拉尔夫·费舍尔：如果这很容易的话，就会有一群孩子在那里照顾婆罗门公牛。
Well, that happened back in 2005, which was when this episode was first broadcast.
嗯，那件事发生在 2005 年，当时这一集首次播出。
Ralph turned out to be right.
事实证明拉尔夫是对的。
As Second Chance got older, he did become tamer and more trustworthy, but never as docile as Chance was.
随着第二次机会年龄的增长，他确实变得更加驯服和值得信赖，但从未像机会那样温顺。
Sandra and Ralph always had to be careful with him.
桑德拉和拉尔夫总是要小心他。
And in March of 2008, eight years old, Second Chance died.
2008 年 3 月，八岁的第二次机会去世了。
In an email to friends, Sandra wrote, "To think that this huge animal who's put Ralph in the hospital twice will be so missed-- it never occurred to us that by having a clone we would lose him twice." Sandra said that before his death, Texas A&M collected some tissue, which opened the door for a possibility of a Third Chance.
桑德拉在给朋友的一封电子邮件中写道：“想到这个曾两次把拉尔夫送进医院的巨大动物，我们会如此怀念——我们从来没有想到，通过克隆，我们会两次失去他。”桑德拉说，在他去世前，德克萨斯农工大学收集了一些组织，这为第三次机会打开了大门。
This story, by the way, is one that we did for our TV show back when we had a series on Showtime.
顺便说一句，这个故事是我们在 Showtime 上制作系列节目时为电视节目所做的故事。
If you're curious to see Chance, and Second Chance, and Ralph, and Sandra, you can find the series at Showtime, or Amazon Prime, or iTunes.
如果您想看《机会》、《第二次机会》、《拉尔夫和桑德拉》，您可以在 Showtime、Amazon Prime 或 iTunes 上找到该剧集。
Act Three, "French Kiss." We end our program today with this story from Sara Vowell of a man reunited with a country.
第三幕“法式热吻”。我们以萨拉·沃威尔讲述的一个男人与国家团聚的故事结束今天的节目。
People lined the roads to see him wherever he traveled.
无论他走到哪里，人们都会在道路两旁看到他。
Newspaper accounts called it "a delirium of feeling." Here's Sarah.
报纸报道称其为“一种精神错乱”。这是莎拉。
On August 16, 1824, an elderly French gentleman sailed into New York Harbor, and giddy Americans were there to welcome him-- or rather, to welcome him back.
1824 年 8 月 16 日，一位年长的法国绅士驶入纽约港，兴奋的美国人在那里欢迎他——或者更确切地说，欢迎他回来。
It had been 30 years since the Revolutionary War hero, the Marquis de Lafayette, had last set foot in the United States.
距离独立战争英雄拉斐特侯爵上次踏足美国已经过去了三十年。
And he was so beloved, so universally revered, that the frenzy, the ardor of his reception has yet to be matched.
他如此受人爱戴，受到普遍的尊敬，以至于人们对他的热情和热情无人能及。
80,000 people showed up to cheer for Lafayette-- 80,000.
八万人到场为拉斐特加油——八万人。
The entire population of New York at the time was 120,000.
当时纽约总人口为12万。
When Lafayette first got here in 1777, he was only 19 years old.
1777 年，拉斐特第一次来到这里时，他只有 19 岁。
A wealthy, orphaned aristocrat, he charmed his way into a commission in George Washington's Continental Army as an unpaid volunteer.
作为一名富有的孤儿贵族，他以无偿志愿者的身份进入了乔治·华盛顿大陆军的一个委员会。
He was a relentless soldier, almost freakishly brave, disciplined and oozing panache all at once.
他是一名无情的士兵，几乎异常勇敢，纪律严明，而且气宇轩昂。
He rode a white horse, was wounded in the Battle of Brandywine, led the liberation of Virginia, and suffered through a winter at Valley Forge, living among his fellow soldiers in a crummy hut, though he could have easily afforded to wait for spring in a mansion the size of Newark.
他骑着一匹白马，在布兰迪万战役中受伤，领导了弗吉尼亚的解放，并在福吉谷度过了一个冬天，与战友一起住在一间破旧的小屋里，尽管他可以轻松地在纽瓦克大小的豪宅里等待春天。
His troops adored him.
他的部下都很崇拜他。
George Washington considered him his adopted son.
乔治·华盛顿把他视为自己的养子。
Alexander Hamilton wrote him letters that read like mash notes.
亚历山大·汉密尔顿给他写的信读起来就像是麦芽浆笔记。
Invited by his old friend, President Monroe, to be the nation's guest on the eve of the 50th anniversary of American independence, Lafayette's trip here amounted to a euphoric 13-month victory lap around the country in which he visited all of the then-24 states.
应他的老朋友门罗总统的邀请，在美国独立 50 周年前夕，拉斐特的此行意味着他在全国各地进行了为期 13 个月的胜利之旅，期间他访问了当时所有 24 个州。
Everywhere Lafayette went, he was serenaded by music composed in his honor-- "Hail Lafayette," "Lafayette's March," "The Lafayette Waltz," "The Lafayette Rondo," and in decreasing geographical order, the songs, "Lafayette's Welcome to North America," "Lafayette's Welcome to the United States," "Lafayette's Welcome to New York," and "Lafayette's Welcome to Philadelphia."
无论拉斐特走到哪里，人们都会为他唱响为纪念他而创作的音乐——《拉斐特万岁》、《拉斐特进行曲》、《拉斐特华尔兹》、《拉斐特回旋曲》，以及按照地理顺序递减的歌曲《拉斐特欢迎来到北美》、《拉斐特欢迎来到美国》、《拉斐特欢迎来到纽约》和《拉斐特欢迎来到纽约》。欢迎来到费城。”
Meanwhile, the souvenir trade cranked out an unprecedented pile of Lafayette-themed knickknacks from ladies' gloves to dishes.
与此同时，纪念品贸易空前地生产出大量以拉斐特为主题的小玩意，从女士手套到餐具，应有尽有。
How many times must he have reached for a cookie and seen his own eyes staring back at him from a commemorative plate?
有多少次他伸手去拿一块饼干，然后看到自己的眼睛从纪念盘上盯着他看？
In Brooklyn, Lafayette was invited to lay the cornerstone of a new Children's Library.
在布鲁克林，拉斐特受邀为新儿童图书馆奠基。
At the ceremony, he picked up and kissed a neighborhood kid, the five-year-old Walt Whitman.
在仪式上，他抱起并亲吻了邻居家的一个孩子，五岁的沃尔特·惠特曼。
In Philadelphia, the French chef in charge of preparing the-- count 'em-- 60 courses for Lafayette's banquet dropped dead in his kitchen that very morning, felled by overwork and the steam heat of simmering sauces.
在费城，负责为拉斐特宴会准备——数一数——60道菜肴的法国厨师当天早上因过度劳累和炖酱汁的蒸汽热气倒在了厨房里。
And speaking of Philadelphia, if you have visited what came to be called Independence Hall, you have Lafayette to thank.
说到费城，如果您参观过后来被称为独立厅的地方，那么您要感谢拉斐特。
The building where the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were signed was decrepit and abandoned.
签署《独立宣言》和《宪法》的建筑已经破旧并被废弃。
It was only when Philadelphians needed a symbolically appropriate place for Lafayette's reception did they remember the old hall and sweep up.
只有当费城人需要一个象征性的合适场所来接待拉斐特时，他们才想起旧大厅并进行清理。
When Lafayette waded through the crowd of 20,000 locals there to greet him and crossed the-- to him-- hallowed threshold, he preached, "Within these sacred walls, by a council of wise and devoted patriots, was boldly declared the independence of these vast United States, which has begun for the civilized world the era of a new and of the only true social order founded on the inalienable rights of man." Notice the melancholy in that word, "only", when he hails American government as the "only" true social order founded on the inalienable rights of man.
当拉斐特涉水穿过两万当地人迎接他，跨过神圣的门槛时，他布道道：“在这些神圣的围墙内，由明智而忠诚的爱国者组成的委员会大胆地宣布了这个幅员辽阔的美国的独立，这为文明世界开启了一个建立在不可剥夺的人权基础上的唯一真正的新社会秩序的时代。”当他称赞美国政府是建立在不可剥夺的人权之上的“唯一”真正的社会秩序时，请注意“唯一”这个词中的忧郁。
After the French Revolution of 1789, Lafayette not only watched his hopes for American-style civil liberties in his homeland get chopped into thousands of guillotined pieces during the Reign of Terror, he subsequently spent five years in a royal Austrian prison and lived through the restoration of the French king, the dictatorship of Napoleon, and the restoration of yet another French king.
1789年法国大革命后，拉斐特不仅眼睁睁地看着自己对祖国美式公民自由的希望在恐怖统治期间被切成数千块断头台，随后他在奥地利皇家监狱里度过了五年，经历了法国国王的复辟、拿破仑的独裁统治和另一位法国国王的复辟。
So Lafayette, more than anyone, was aware of the uniqueness and the importance of the American republic.
因此，拉斐特比任何人都更清楚美利坚共和国的独特性和重要性。
At that point, American democracy had descended from its early idealism into the kind of messy partisan backbiting we're familiar with today.
那时，美国的民主已经从早期的理想主义堕落为我们今天所熟悉的那种混乱的党派诽谤。
Lafayette's arrival in 1824 coincides with one of the most contentious presidential elections in American history, with no clear electoral college winner between John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson, with Adams assuming the presidency under suspicions some labeled "the corrupt bargain."
1824 年拉斐特上任之际，恰逢美国历史上最具争议性的总统选举之一，约翰·昆西·亚当斯 (John Quincy Adams) 和安德鲁·杰克逊 (Andrew Jackson) 之间没有明显的选举团获胜者，亚当斯 (Adams) 就任总统的怀疑被一些人称为“腐败交易”。
Meanwhile, Congress had just fought its first epic battle over slavery, the fight that led to the Missouri Compromise, the fight that would soon enough lead to the Civil War.
与此同时，国会刚刚就奴隶制问题进行了第一场史诗般的战斗，这场战斗导致了密苏里妥协，这场战斗很快就会导致内战。
But Lafayette, belonging to neither North nor South, to no political party or faction, was a walking, talking reminder of the sacrifices and bravery of the revolutionary generation and what they wanted this country to be.
但拉斐特既不属于北方也不属于南方，不属于任何政党或派别，她用行动和言语提醒着革命一代的牺牲和勇敢，以及他们希望这个国家成为什么样子。
His return was not just a reunion with his beloved Americans, it was a reunion for Americans with their own astonishing, singular past.
他的回归不仅是与他心爱的美国人的团聚，也是美国人与他们自己惊人的、独特的过去的团聚。
On New Year's Day, 1825, Congress threw him yet another of his nightly banquets.
1825 年元旦，国会再次为他举办了一场夜间宴会。
And Speaker of the House, Henry Clay, toasted Lafayette as a great apostle of Liberty.
众议院议长亨利·克莱称赞拉斐特是伟大的自由使徒。
In reply, Lafayette toasted back with a prophecy-- "To the perpetual union of the United States.
作为回应，拉斐特回敬了一句预言——“为美国的永久联盟。
It has always served us in times of storm.
它总是在暴风雨时期为我们服务。
One day, it will save the world."
有一天，它将拯救世界。”
And he was right.
他是对的。
Every so often, America has saved the world.
美国时常拯救世界。
Of course, we muck it up every now and then, as well.
当然，我们时不时也会把事情搞砸。
But in 1917, after American Expeditionary Forces crossed the Atlantic to aid France in World War I, General Pershing marched his troops to Lafayette's Paris grave where the old soldier had been buried under dirt from Bunker Hill.
但在 1917 年，美国远征军在第一次世界大战中跨越大西洋援助法国后，潘兴将军率领部队前往拉斐特在巴黎的坟墓，这位老士兵被埋在邦克山的泥土下。
They placed an American flag into that American dirt.
他们把一面美国国旗插进美国的泥土里。
Lafayette, one of them said, we are here.
拉斐特，其中一人说，我们到了。
Sarah Vowell.
莎拉·沃威尔。
Her book about Lafayette's experiences in America is called, Lafayette in the Somewhat United States.
她关于拉斐特在美国经历的书名为《拉斐特在美国》。
(SINGING) Welcome back.
（唱歌）欢迎回来。
Man 2 Oh, hey, man, how you doin'?
男人 2 哦，嘿，伙计，你好吗？
You good?
你好吗？
I know you like that.
我知道你喜欢那样。
(SINGING) Welcome back.
（唱歌）欢迎回来。
Ira Glass Well, our program was produced today by Alex Blumberg and myself, with Diane Cook, Jane Marie, Sarah Koenig, and Lisa Pollock Our senior producer for today's show was Julie Snyder.
Ira Glass 嗯，我们今天的节目是由 Alex Blumberg 和我本人以及 Diane Cook、Jane Marie、Sarah Koenig 和 Lisa Pollock 制作的。我们今天节目的高级制作人是 Julie Snyder。
Additional production on today's rerun from Jessica Lussenhop, Katherine Rae Mondo, Stowe Nelson, and Matt Tierney.
今天重播的附加制作由杰西卡·卢森霍普、凯瑟琳·雷·蒙多、斯托·尼尔森和马特·蒂尔尼担任。
Special thanks today to Chandra Conway for bringing us this story of Second Chance, also to Chris Wilcha and Jenny Golden.
今天特别感谢钱德拉·康威为我们带来了《第二次机会》的故事，还要感谢克里斯·威尔查和珍妮·戈尔登。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia, who waved around a big knife and told me my very first day on the job--
一如既往地感谢我们项目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生，他挥舞着一把大刀，告诉我我上班第一天的经历——
And you watch this, because I'm only gonna show you once.
你看这个，因为我只会给你看一次。
Oh, no!
哦，不！
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass.
艾拉·格拉斯 我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
This American Life This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。