29: Bob Dole - This American Life
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00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 29 集 | 1996 年 7 月 19 日 29：鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole) 注：《This American Life》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Happy birthday to you.
祝你生日快乐。
Happy birthday to you.
祝你生日快乐。
Happy birthday,
生日快乐，
Happy birthday to you.
祝你生日快乐。
Marilyn Monroe Everybody, happy birthday.
玛丽莲·梦露 大家生日快乐。
See, this is the kind of event the Bob Dole campaign should have staged when he turned 73 this past week.
看，这正是鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole) 竞选团队在上周他 73 岁生日时应该举办的活动。
They should have surrounded him with lively, young people, a big, happy event celebrating his vigor.
他们应该让他周围都是充满活力的年轻人，一场盛大的喜庆活动来庆祝他的活力。
A few of you may not know that particular piece of tape.
你们中的一些人可能不知道那段特定的磁带。
It's a pretty famous piece of tape.
这是一段非常有名的磁带。
It's Marilyn Monroe singing to John Kennedy in 1963, which in my view, makes it even more appropriate for Bob Dole to use.
这是玛丽莲·梦露在 1963 年为约翰·肯尼迪演唱的歌曲，在我看来，这更适合鲍勃·多尔使用。
Marilyn Monroe and John Kennedy are his contemporaries, after all.
毕竟，玛丽莲·梦露和约翰·肯尼迪是他的同时代人。
Bob Dole is 73.
鲍勃·多尔今年 73 岁。
If Marilyn Monroe were alive, she would be 70.
如果玛丽莲·梦露还活着，她已经70岁了。
John Kennedy would be 79.
约翰·肯尼迪今年 79 岁。
But instead of a big, lively event, a hall full of boisterous young people, where did the Dole for President campaign stage its big birthday photo op?
但是，多尔总统竞选活动在哪里举办了盛大的生日合影活动，而不是一个盛大而热闹的活动，大厅里挤满了喧闹的年轻人？
In an old age home.
在一个老人家里。
There in the paper, you could see the pictures, Bob Dole with some senior citizens.
在报纸上，你可以看到鲍勃·多尔和一些老年人的照片。
You really had to wonder, what were they thinking?
你真的不得不想知道，他们在想什么？
What message are they trying to get across to us?
他们想向我们传达什么信息？
Does this campaign have the will to live?
这场运动还有活下去的意愿吗？
Well, each week here on This American Life, we choose a theme, invite a wide variety of writers and performers to take a whack at that theme with documentaries, radio monologues, reportage, found tape, occasional radio dramas, basically, anything they can think of.
嗯，每周，在《美国生活》中，我们都会选择一个主题，邀请各种各样的作家和表演者通过纪录片、广播独白、报告文学、找到的磁带、偶尔播放的广播剧，基本上，任何他们能想到的东西来尝试这个主题。
And today, we bring you perspectives on Bob Dole.
今天，我们为您带来对鲍勃·多尔的看法。
Because at this point, there's something oddly mesmerizing about what's going on in that campaign.
因为此时此刻，竞选活动中发生的事情有些奇怪而令人着迷。
Barely a day goes by without some odd quote or strange gaffe.
几乎每天都会有一些奇怪的引言或奇怪的失态。
Just at the end of this past week, there was a thing in the news how the Republicans have booked themself into a convention hall for the Republican Convention.
就在上周末，新闻中报道了共和党人如何预订了共和党大会的会议厅。
And it's like 14 feet tall.
它大约有14英尺高。
And TV Guide was quoted in there saying that he doesn't want to make them look bad or anything, but there is literally no way to film them, to shoot them for TV, which is the entire point of a modern political convention.
那里引用了《电视指南》的说法，他不想让他们看起来很糟糕或其他什么，但实际上没有办法拍摄它们，将它们拍摄成电视，而这正是现代政治大会的全部要点。
There's no way to shoot them without them looking like ants on a postage stamp.
拍摄它们时，他们看起来就像邮票上的蚂蚁一样。
And I see this stuff.
我看到了这个东西。
And really, my heart just goes out to the man.
真的，我的心与这个男人同在。
Something deep and codependent in me wants to step in and help him out.
我内心深处的某种东西想要介入并帮助他摆脱困境。
Anyway, our program today in three acts.
不管怎样，我们今天的节目分三幕。
Act One, Campaign Diaries.
第一幕，竞选日记。
Act Two, Instructions on How You Can Become Bob Dole.
第二幕，关于如何成为鲍勃·多尔的说明。
Act Three, a writer who we've been trying to get on our program for a while, actually, a guy named Danny Drennan.
第三幕，我们一直想邀请一位作家加入我们的节目一段时间，实际上是一个名叫丹尼·德伦南的人。
Usually, he writes about things like the TV show Beverly Hills , 90210.
通常，他写的都是电视节目《比佛利山庄 90210》等内容。
And we gave him a little assignment.
我们给了他一个小任务。
Anyway, stay with us.
无论如何，留在我们身边吧。
Act One, Campaign Diaries.
第一幕，竞选日记。
Well, before on this program, once before, we've featured the campaign diaries of Michael Lewis.
嗯，在这个节目之前，我们曾经专题报道过迈克尔·刘易斯的竞选日记。
And he is covering the political campaigns.
他正在报道政治竞选活动。
He's one of the people writing for The New Republic.
他是《新共和》的撰稿人之一。
And his writing is really some of the most remarkable writing anybody is doing about the campaigns, because basically, he's this really funny, smart guy who writes like a novelist, more than like a political reporter, though there's a lot of political analysis in it.
他的作品确实是任何人针对竞选活动所做的最杰出的作品之一，因为基本上，他是一个非常有趣、聪明的人，他的写作像小说家，而不是像政治记者，尽管其中有很多政治分析。
The political analysis gets encased in these scenes, in these little stories.
政治分析包含在这些场景、这些小故事中。
And it's just a complete pleasure to read.
阅读起来完全是一种乐趣。
And then he's just got a really great eye, a really great eye for the telling moment.
然后他有一双非常出色的眼睛，非常善于捕捉关键时刻。
And he's been following around all the different candidates.
他一直在关注所有不同的候选人。
We're going to play you now a set of stuff that he's written about Dole, just because, among other things, he captures all these moments nobody else gets.
我们现在将为您播放一系列他写的有关多尔的内容，因为除其他外，他捕捉到了其他人无法捕捉到的所有这些时刻。
And they reveal all these things about Dole and his campaign.
他们揭示了有关多尔及其竞选活动的所有这些事情。
I'm going to start with this.
我将从这个开始。
Let me get some music going here again.
让我再放点音乐。
[MUSIC PLAYING] There we go.
[音乐播放] 开始了。
This first little diary entry is from back during the primaries.
第一篇小日记来自初选期间。
This is February 15.
这是 2 月 15 日。
This is after the final New Hampshire debate.
这是在新罕布什尔州最后一场辩论之后。
And this is this debate where there was this one moment where Dole kind of got into a little shouting match with Steve Forbes.
在这场辩论中，多尔与史蒂夫·福布斯进行了一场小规模的争吵。
Remember him?
还记得他吗？
And Dole basically said to Forbes-- Forbes was running all these negative ads.
多尔基本上是对《福布斯》说的——《福布斯》刊登了所有这些负面广告。
And Dole's staff or Dole came up with this stunt where Dole would say "Those ads are really inaccurate.
都乐的员工或都乐想出了这个噱头，都乐会说“那些广告真的不准确。
And plus, if you're going to be talking about me, you could at least use a decent picture." And then Dole hands him these pictures, which Forbes snaps back at him, this and that.
另外，如果你要谈论我，你至少可以使用一张像样的照片。”然后多尔递给他这些照片，《福布斯》将这些照片发回给他，这样那样。
OK.
好的。
So all that gets covered in the press.
所以所有这些都会被媒体报道。
But after the debate, people leave.
但辩论结束后，人们就离开了。
The stage is empty.
舞台空无一人。
And our little Michael Lewis heads out onto the stage.
我们的小迈克尔·刘易斯走上舞台。
And he's looking at all the detritus left over, the notes the candidates write themselves, all this stuff that nobody else really bothers with writing about.
他正在查看剩下的所有碎片，候选人自己写的笔记，所有这些其他人都没有真正费心去写的东西。
And then he sees the photographs.
然后他看到了照片。
I'm going to read from this campaign diary, and then we'll go to Michael reading.
我将阅读这份竞选日记，然后我们将去找迈克尔阅读。
He says, "I noticed the photographs.
他说：“我注意到了这些照片。
They lay on the shelf beneath Forbes's podium.
它们躺在《福布斯》讲台下方的架子上。
They were not prints but originals, curled and soiled, as if they'd been sitting in some shoebox for years, until Dole stumbled across them late one night while he was worrying about how to retaliate against Steve Forbes in the big debate.
它们不是印刷品，而是原件，卷曲且脏兮兮的，就好像它们在鞋盒里放了很多年一样，直到一天深夜，多尔在一场大辩论中考虑如何报复史蒂夫·福布斯时，偶然发现了它们。
Two are color, a bad one of Liddy, Dole's wife, who's stunning in the flesh, looking here tired and plain.
两幅是色彩，一幅是多尔妻子利迪的，一幅很糟糕，她的肉体令人惊叹，看上去疲惫而平淡。
A better one of dole's dog, Leader, rubbing noses with a yellow lab.
多尔的一只更好的狗，Leader，正在和一只黄色拉布拉多犬擦鼻子。
The third is a black and white, of Dole smiling broadly, holding a baby.
第三张是黑白的，多尔抱着一个婴儿，笑容满面。
He looks 20 years younger.
他看起来年轻了20岁。
The black pen he clutches to keep his right arm in place juts up and is set off by the baby's white gown.
他握着用来固定右臂的黑色钢笔伸出来，与婴儿的白色长袍相映衬。
Dole is looking at the camera.
多尔正在看着镜头。
The baby is looking at Dole's gnarled, wounded hand." Here's Michael Lewis.
婴儿正在看着多尔那只粗糙、受伤的手。”这是迈克尔·刘易斯。
I asked five different Dole aides the identity of the baby held by Dole in the photograph he gave to Forbes.
我向五名不同的多尔助手询问了多尔向《福布斯》提供的照片中所抱婴儿的身份。
It seems an innocent enough query.
这似乎是一个足够无辜的询问。
After all, this was the picture Dole had selected for publication.
毕竟，这是多尔选择出版的照片。
I get no answer.
我没有得到答案。
The basic pose of the Dole campaign is the less anyone finds out about their candidate, the better.
多尔竞选活动的基本姿态是，越少人了解他们的候选人越好。
You can spot the Dole office in the row of glass boxes on the ground floor of the New Hampshire Holiday Inn.
您可以在新罕布什尔州假日酒店一楼的一排玻璃盒子里看到都乐办公室。
It's the one with the newspaper taped up on the glass to prevent people from outside looking in.
就是把报纸贴在玻璃上，防止外面的人往里看。
Dole himself remains largely out of sight.
多尔本人基本上仍处于人们的视线之外。
He makes two or three very brief appearances each day and is otherwise unavailable for interviews.
他每天只露面两到三次，除此之外无法接受采访。
Dole's speeches add nothing to the general blank picture.
多尔的演讲并没有给这片空白的画面增添任何色彩。
A dozen times I listened to his talk, pen poised idly over paper.
我有十几次听他讲话，笔闲置在纸上。
Nothing, not a thought, not an image, not a quote.
什么都没有，不是一个想法，不是一个图像，不是一句话。
It took me a while to figure out why this was, but then it struck me.
我花了一段时间才弄清楚为什么会这样，但后来我突然意识到了。
Bob Dole wasn't running for president.
鲍勃·多尔没有竞选总统。
The concept of Bob Dole was running.
鲍勃·多尔的概念正在运行。
The man himself had subcontracted out all the dirty work to people who make their careers out of this sort of thing.
这个人自己把所有肮脏的工作都分包给了那些靠这种事情谋生的人。
That was why he was referring to himself in the third person.
这就是为什么他用第三人称来称呼自己。
He wasn't there, at least not in any meaningful way.
他不在那儿，至少没有以任何有意义的方式出现。
It turns out that everything I will discover about Bob Dole, I will discover by stealth.
事实证明，我会发现有关鲍勃·多尔的一切，我都会秘密地发现。
My first discovery?
我的第一个发现？
He's embarrassed by his own vanity.
他为自己的虚荣心感到尴尬。
I catch him in a back room at one event, just before he's about to go onstage.
在一次活动中，就在他即将上台之前，我在后面的房间里遇见了他。
He thinks no one is looking.
他认为没有人在看。
He checks out his reflection furtively.
他偷偷地检查自己的倒影。
His hair is sprayed and dyed.
他的头发被喷过并且染过。
And then he whips out of his pocket a tiny canister and squirts two quick blasts of breath spray into his mouth.
然后他从口袋里掏出一个小罐子，快速向嘴里喷出两股呼吸喷雾。
Also, his wit is genuine.
而且，他的智慧是真诚的。
It's not just an act.
这不仅仅是一种行为。
I stalk him through the snow at the world dog sledding championships and watch him meet and greet the pooches.
在世界狗拉雪橇锦标赛上，我在雪地里跟踪他，看着他与狗们见面并打招呼。
A schoolgirl approaches as he's about to leave and after nabbing a photo, asks him if he's having fun.
当他正要离开时，一名女学生走过来，拍了一张照片，问他是否玩得开心。
"You learn a lot out here campaigning," Dole says, motioning to a sled of 20 dogs.
“在这里竞选你可以学到很多东西，”多尔指着 20 只狗组成的雪橇说道。
"They're all nice dogs, too, not like the Congress." He thinks no one is listening.
“他们也是好狗，不像国会。”他认为没有人在听。
He's said it just for the fun of it.
他这么说只是为了好玩。
All other data about Bob Dole must be inferred from the world he has created around himself.
关于鲍勃·多尔的所有其他数据都必须从他在自己周围创造的世界中推断出来。
The Dole campaign consists of slick young men in blue suits, forever whispering to each other in dark corners.
都乐的竞选活动由穿着蓝色西装的光滑年轻人组成，他们永远在黑暗的角落里互相窃窃私语。
The campaign pays top dollar for everything.
竞选活动为所有事情支付了高额费用。
And I get the feeling that most who work for it have some personal financial stake in Dole soldiering on, and that they'll be the last to tell him that he really shouldn't be doing this again.
我有一种感觉，大多数为其工作的人都在多尔的坚持下拥有一些个人经济利益，而且他们将是最后一个告诉他他真的不应该再这样做的人。
You also get the feeling that there is very little the campaign would not do.
你还会感觉到，这项活动几乎无所不能。
One of their favorite techniques has been to hire telemarketing firms to call Buchanan supporters and, in the guise of pollsters, relate damning untruths.
他们最喜欢的技巧之一是聘请电话营销公司给布坎南的支持者打电话，并以民意调查的形式讲述令人震惊的谎言。
In response to Buchanan's complaints, the Dole people tell reporters that Buchanan is doing the calling to a few of his supporters to tar Dole.
针对布坎南的抱怨，多尔人士告诉记者，布坎南正在号召他的一些支持者对多尔进行诽谤。
It takes a special sort of credulity to believe them.
相信他们需要一种特殊的轻信。
I stopped half a dozen people carrying Buchanan signs who told the same stories of strange phone calls in the night.
我拦住了六个举着布坎南标语的人，他们讲述了同样的夜里奇怪电话的故事。
One afternoon, I abandoned the Dole campaign for the steam room at the Manchester YMCA to purge myself of the dreadful feeling coming over me.
一天下午，我放弃了多尔竞选活动，前往曼彻斯特基督教青年会的蒸汽浴室，以清除笼罩在我身上的可怕感觉。
A few minutes later, an extremely fat old man waddles in, spies me, drops his towel, and sits on a plastic stool right next to me.
几分钟后，一个极其肥胖的老人摇摇晃晃地进来，看到了我，扔下毛巾，坐在我旁边的塑料凳子上。
"You're a new face," he says.
“你是一张新面孔，”他说。
"I always notice a new face." I say, "That's nice," grab for a towel, and tell him I came for the campaign.
“我总是注意到一张新面孔。”我说：“太好了”，然后抓起一条毛巾，告诉他我是来参加竞选活动的。
He shifts on his stool and says, "I'm a Buchanan man, myself." Buchanan men are the kind of guys who can sidle up to other guys in steam rooms without the slightest fear of being thought gay.
他在凳子上挪了挪身子，说道：“我自己就是一个布坎南人。”布坎南男人是那种可以在蒸汽浴室里跟其他男人打交道的人，丝毫不用担心被认为是同性恋。
Moments later, he's complaining about the calls he's getting at home.
过了一会儿，他开始抱怨家里接到的电话。
Here, roughly, is what he said.
大致来说，他是这么说的。
"A guy calls.
“一个人打来电话。
He says, 'Hi.
他说，‘嗨。
My name is William, and I'm calling from the Dole campaign.
我叫威廉，是从失业救济金活动部门打来的。
Are you aware that Pat Buchanan is an extremist?' And I say, 'What do you mean?' And he says, 'Pat wants to give nuclear weapons to South Korea and Japan.'
你知道帕特·布坎南是个极端分子吗？我说：“你是什么意思？”他说，“帕特想向韩国和日本提供核武器。”
So I ask him, 'Where does this information come from.' He says he doesn't know.
所以我问他，“这些信息是从哪里来的？”他说他不知道。
So I ask him, 'What does Bob Dole think about that?' And this kid doesn't know that, either.
所以我问他，“鲍勃·多尔对此有何看法？”而这孩子也不知道这一点。
He knows absolutely nothing about Bob Dole.
他对鲍勃·多尔一无所知。
So I ask, 'Who are you, anyway?' And he says he's with an organization called the National Research Institute in Houston.
所以我问，“你到底是谁？”他说他在休斯敦一个名为国家研究所的组织工作。
So I ask him for his phone number.
所以我问他要电话号码。
And he says he can't give it to me.
他说他不能给我。
Then he hangs up.
然后他就挂断了电话。
There is, of course, no listing in Houston for the National Research Institute."
当然，休斯顿没有国家研究所的名单。”
In short, the Dole campaign is a lot like what a lot of people probably suspect the Buchanan campaign is, closed, secretive, smug, a bit nasty.
简而言之，多尔竞选活动很像很多人可能怀疑的布坎南竞选活动，封闭、秘密、自鸣得意，有点令人讨厌。
Maybe that's what happens when you lose once too often.
也许这就是当你输得太频繁时会发生的情况。
You stop trusting the voters.
你不再信任选民。
And yet I still want badly to like Dole.
但我仍然非常想喜欢都乐。
I'll bet he's the guy in the race that people most badly want to like, but can't quite figure out how to do it.
我敢打赌他是比赛中人们最想喜欢的人，但又不知道如何去做。
Every night after a day with Dole, I return home and recall to my mind a pair of mental images that the day has badly blemished.
每天晚上，在都乐度过一天之后，我回到家，脑海中都会回想起这一天被严重玷污的脑海中的画面。
The first is the one of Dole recuperating from his war wounds, as described by Richard Ben Cramer, hanging by his bad right arm and trying to straighten it out until he was sweating and crying from pain.
第一个是多尔从战伤中恢复过来的情景，正如理查德·本·克莱默所描述的那样，他抓住他受伤的右臂，试图将其伸直，直到他满头大汗，痛苦地哭泣。
The second is a windy afternoon last June in a graveyard on the French coast, when, Dole now says, he realized he had to run for president one last time.
第二次是去年六月一个刮风的下午，在法国海岸的一个墓地里，多尔现在说，当时他意识到自己必须最后一次竞选总统。
I traveled there on Clinton's plane to witness the D-Day celebrations.
我乘坐克林顿的飞机前往那里观看诺曼底登陆庆祝活动。
But about halfway through, I lost interest in writing about it and just started watching.
但大约看了一半，我失去了写它的兴趣，只是开始观看。
You gaze down the cliff onto the beach and just marvel.
您凝视悬崖下的海滩，惊叹不已。
How did these men do this?
这些人是怎么做到的？
Just before Clinton addressed the veterans of the Normandy invasion, I found myself walking alone through the rows of white crosses, until I reached a place where there was no one else but a pair of veterans.
就在克林顿向诺曼底入侵退伍军人发表讲话之前，我发现自己独自走过一排排白色十字架，直到到达一个地方，除了两位退伍军人外，没有其他人。
They seemed ancient, though of course, they could not have been much older than Bob Dole.
他们看起来很古老，当然，他们不可能比鲍勃·多尔老多少。
They were trembling and leaning on each other as they looked down on a cross.
他们互相靠着，颤抖着，低头看着十字架。
And at first, I thought it was just from the strains of age.
起初，我以为这只是由于年龄的压力。
Then I saw the name and place on the cross, Stenson, I'll say, from Mississippi.
然后我看到了十字架上的名字和地点，我会说，斯滕森，来自密西西比州。
The boy had died at the age of 19 on the first day of the invasion.
这名男孩在入侵的第一天就去世了，享年 19 岁。
The old men wore name tags, too.
老人们也戴着名牌。
Stenson, from Mississippi.
斯滕森，来自密西西比州。
Two of three brothers had survived that day.
那天，三兄弟中有两人幸存。
They were crying without tears.
他们哭得无泪。
That's a bit like Dole, I would like to believe.
我愿意相信，这有点像都乐。
He's crying without tears.
他哭得无泪。
He has the emotions, or at least, you can sense them lurking inside them.
他有情感，或者至少，你可以感觉到潜伏在其中的情感。
But he has no idea how to give them proper expression.
但他不知道如何正确表达它们。
Michael Lewis.
迈克尔·刘易斯.
We'll continue with his campaign diaries in a bit.
稍后我们将继续他的竞选日记。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "THE DUTCH BOY" BY THE HANDSOME FAMILY]
[音乐播放 - 帅气家庭的“荷兰男孩”]
That's The Handsome Family, a Chicago band.
那是芝加哥乐队The Handsome Family。
We'll have more campaign diaries from Michael Lewis in a second.
我们很快就会收到迈克尔·刘易斯的更多竞选日记。
First, I wanted to read a little bit from this piece written by Andrew Sullivan, also in The New Republic.
首先，我想读一下安德鲁·沙利文（Andrew Sullivan）在《新共和》上写的这篇文章。
Figured we're doing one, might as well do the other.
认为我们正在做一个，不妨做另一个。
It's this lovely little piece of writing from a couple weeks ago.
这是几周前写的这篇可爱的小文章。
He begins this thing by talking about this sketch that apparently, they're doing on Saturday Night Live.
他首先谈论了他们在《周六夜现场》中显然正在做的这个小品。
It's a spoof of MTV's show, The Real World.
这是对 MTV 节目《真实世界》的恶搞。
And in the real show, The Real World it's a bunch of young people in their 20s, Generation X-ers, living in a home somewhere.
在真实的节目《真实世界》中，一群 20 多岁的年轻人，X 一代，住在某个地方的家里。
And they locate the home in different places.
他们将家安置在不同的地方。
In the spoof, it's the same setup, except apparently, Bob Dole is living there with them.
在恶搞中，设置是相同的，只不过鲍勃·多尔显然和他们住在那里。
And then that's the big joke, that this gruff, 70-something person is living with the 20-somethings.
这就是一个大笑话，这个粗鲁的 70 多岁的人和 20 多岁的人住在一起。
And Andrew Sullivan makes the case, no, no, there's actually something to be learned from this.
安德鲁·沙利文（Andrew Sullivan）证明，不，不，实际上可以从中学到一些东西。
There's actually a deeper truth that we can find in this.
其实我们可以从中发现更深层次的真相。
He writes the following.
他写了以下内容。
"Bob Dole, very unlike his rival for the presidency, is actually, I think, a natural Gen X-er, someone whose ironic detachment, bleak humor, and occasional bursts of dark sentiment make him far more intelligible to the under-35 crowd than most politicians.
“鲍勃·多尔与他的总统竞选对手非常不同，我认为他实际上是一位天生的 X 一代，他的讽刺超然、冷酷幽默以及偶尔爆发的黑暗情绪使他比大多数政客更容易被 35 岁以下人群所理解。
At 72, he is in some ways the ultimate 20-something candidate.
72 岁的他在某些方面是 20 多岁的终极候选人。
To wit, his remarkable, revealing, and insistent use of that quintessential Generation X mantra, 'whatever.'"
也就是说，他对 X 世代的典型口头禅“无论如何”的非凡、富有启发性和坚持不懈的使用。”
And then he's got a whole bunch of examples of Bob Dole using the word whatever, whoever, wherever, the various permutations.
然后他举了一大堆鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）使用“无论什么”这个词的例子，无论是谁，无论在哪里，以及各种排列。
Here are some.
这里有一些。
Let's see.
让我们来看看。
"Well, I think Lowell Weicker probably did more in the Congress of the United States for disabled people in this country, children, adults, whatever." Or, "That's one way to address it for some people.
“嗯，我认为洛厄尔·威克可能在美国国会为这个国家的残疾人、儿童、成人等做了更多的事情。”或者，“对于某些人来说，这是解决这个问题的一种方法。
But you're right, all economic classes, whether you're white, black, whatever."
但你是对的，所有经济阶层，无论你是白人、黑人还是其他人。”
The hint here, Andrew Sullivan writes, is that Bob Dole knows he's reciting a list of groups that he should feel deeply sincere about.
安德鲁·沙利文写道，这里的暗示是鲍勃·多尔知道他正在背诵一份他应该深感真诚的团体清单。
But he can't at that moment feel completely sincere about them.
但此刻他无法对他们感到完全真诚。
So he gently undercuts the blather he's required to express by adding the W word.
因此，他通过添加“W”一词来温和地削弱他需要表达的废话。
We know he's in favor of helping the poor, underprivileged, disabled, veterans, whomever.
我们知道他赞成帮助穷人、弱势群体、残疾人、退伍军人等任何人。
But we also know he's not exactly smitten with empathy for their plight as he utters the words.
但我们也知道，当他说出这些话时，他并没有完全同情他们的困境。
He cares, but with an understandable and often funny level of detachment.
他很关心，但带着一种可以理解的、常常很有趣的超然态度。
Compare with Clinton.
与克林顿相比。
A "whatever" barely passes the president's lips.
总统嘴里几乎没有说出“随便什么”这句话。
There is nary a scintilla of detachment from his sympathy for everyone and anyone at all times, and indeed a fear, even panic, that anyone might suspect otherwise.
他在任何时候都对每个人、任何人都抱有丝毫的同情心，而且确实有一种恐惧，甚至恐慌，担心任何人都可能怀疑。
Dole is different.
多尔则不同。
Sullivan goes on in a little section of this to argue that this ironic distance is actually something admirable, in a certain way.
沙利文在其中的一小部分继续论证，这种具有讽刺意味的距离实际上在某种程度上是令人钦佩的。
He quotes a couple more examples of him saying "whatever" in different situations.
他还举了几个他在不同情况下说“随便”的例子。
He says, "There are signs that Dole is aware of the complete silliness of much of what passes for political ritual.
他说：“有迹象表明，多尔意识到许多所谓的政治仪式是完全愚蠢的。
He knows that the throngs cheering for him today will be cheering for someone else tomorrow, that enthusiasm is fickle, that real support for someone like him always has something completely contingent about it.
他知道今天为他欢呼的人群明天就会为其他人欢呼，这种热情是善变的，对像他这样的人的真正支持总是有一些完全偶然的因素。
So he condescends to it under his breath in a throwaway, that wistful grin snickering up his face toward his black, darting eyes.
于是他屈尊俯就，随手一扔，脸上露出渴望的笑容，对着他那双黑色的、锐利的眼睛。
Like the members of Generation X, Dole is post-just-about-everything.
与 X 世代的成员一样，都乐也处于后一切时代。
The difference, of course, is that he lived through it, and they were born after it.
当然，不同之处在于他经历了这一切，而他们是在这一切之后出生的。
Dole, it's clear, has few illusions about the world.
很明显，多尔对世界不抱任何幻想。
He's seen white-shirted revolutionaries have their moment and leave nothing but a deficit behind.
他看到白衬衫革命者获得了胜利，却只留下了赤字。
His irony is not, as some boomers would have it, an expression of ennui or listlessness or cynicism.
他的讽刺并不像一些婴儿潮一代所说的那样，表达厌倦、无精打采或愤世嫉俗。
It's the sanest response to the real world, if you'll pardon the expression.
如果你能原谅这个表达的话，这是对现实世界最理智的反应。
Members of Generation X, despite the fashionable assumption, are not disillusioned.
尽管有这种流行的假设，但 X 一代的成员并没有幻灭。
They're merely un-illusioned.
他们只是不抱幻想而已。
Their wariness is endemic.
他们的警惕性是普遍存在的。
Dole gets this.
多尔明白这一点。
Clinton never will."
克林顿永远不会。”
Anyway, that's by Andrew Sullivan.
无论如何，这是安德鲁·沙利文的作品。
Let's go to more of my Michael Lewis's campaign diaries.
让我们看一下我的迈克尔·刘易斯的更多竞选日记。
February 19.
2 月 19 日。
The act, I should say, is always the same.
我应该说，行为总是一样的。
The announcer brings on stage, one at a time, all the politicians who have endorsed Dole.
播音员将所有支持多尔的政治家逐一请上台。
They race out onto the stage like ballplayers before a game.
他们像比赛前的球员一样冲上舞台。
Dole waits in the background until the crowd reaches a low fever pitch.
多尔在后台等待，直到人群达到低热状态。
A quick squirt of the breath spray, and he's on.
快速喷出呼吸喷雾，他就开始了。
He stands at the podium with his left foot and left side jutted forward, though he's right-handed.
他站在讲台上，左脚和左侧向前突出，尽管他是右利手。
His crippled right hand rests on the podium, but it's not a prop.
他残废的右手放在讲台上，但它不是支撑物。
He'll start in with something self-deprecating.
他会从一些自嘲的事情开始。
"That's a lot better than the speech is going to be." Something like that.
“这比演讲要好得多。”类似的事情。
Presently, the voice of Dole emanates from the Milford, New Hampshire, town hall's facade.
目前，多尔的声音从新罕布什尔州米尔福德市政厅的外墙上传来。
It's not so much a speech as a series of disconnected phrases uttered in an elegiac tone, some of which cause the people around me to break out into giggles.
这与其说是一场演讲，不如说是一系列用哀伤语气说出的不连贯的短语，其中一些让我周围的人咯咯笑起来。
"Like everyone else in this room, I was born," Dole says.
“就像这个房间里的其他人一样，我出生了，”多尔说。
A Dole speech sounds like the sort of thing a red brick building would say if a red brick building could speak.
如果红砖建筑会说话，都乐的演讲听起来就像红砖建筑会说的话。
He pulls the rhythms of his "one America" refrain up short, just as it starts to flow.
当他的“一个美国”副歌开始流动时，他把节奏拉得很短。
"We're not rich.
“我们并不富有。
We're not poor.
我们并不穷。
We're not urban.
我们不是城市。
We're not rural.
我们不是农村的。
We're not black.
我们不是黑人。
We're not white.
我们不是白人。
You can go on and on and on." I have a dream, kind of.
你可以继续说下去。”我有一个梦想，有点像。
And gentleman in England now abed, well, I don't know.
英国的绅士现在已经睡觉了，好吧，我不知道。
Maybe they should just get up.
也许他们应该站起来。
It is more like the Cliff Notes of a great speech than the speech itself.
它更像是一场伟大演讲的悬崖笔记，而不是演讲本身。
The only lines Dole can deliver with any kind of strength sound like they were cribbed from Robert's Rules of Order.
多尔唯一能用任何力量说出的台词听起来就像是从罗伯特的《议事规则》中抄袭来的。
"Start the hearings.
“开始听证会。
Go through the process.
完成整个过程。
Do it in an orderly way."
有秩序地去做。”
The whole time Dole is speaking, it is as if he is saying, "This is the speech I would give to you if I was the sort of person who gives speeches." I'm not sure whether Dole is actually modest or simply embarrassed by immodesty.
多尔在讲话的整个过程中，就好像在说：“如果我是那种演讲的人，我就会给你做这样的演讲。”我不确定多尔是否真的很谦虚，或者只是因为不谦虚而感到尴尬。
I leave thinking that a man like this runs for the presidency not because he thinks he should be president.
我离开时想，像这样的人竞选总统并不是因为他认为他应该成为总统。
He thinks no one else should be president, so it might as well be him.
他认为没有人应该担任总统，所以最好是他。
May 27.
5月27日。
You never saw a more unhappy-looking group than the journalists assigned to follow Dole into New Jersey on Memorial Day.
你从未见过比在阵亡将士纪念日跟随多尔进入新泽西的记者们看上去更不高兴的了。
"I got the best seat in the house to the worst show in town," rumbles a cameraman as we board the plane at National Airport.
“我在镇上最糟糕的演出中得到了最好的座位，”当我们在国家机场登机时，一位摄影师咕哝道。
"I just came in case he got shot or something," says a reporter, who doesn't even bother to take notes.
“我来只是为了以防万一他被枪杀或者其他什么事情，”一名记者说道，他甚至懒得做笔记。
I, too, have my misgivings.
我也有我的疑虑。
Usually, my campaign notebooks are crammed with anecdotes, observations, and incidents.
通常，我的竞选笔记本里塞满了轶事、观察和事件。
Whenever I'm with Dole, however, they simply refuse to fill up.
然而，每当我和都乐在一起时，他们就是拒绝填饱肚子。
The Dole campaign remains an arid, sterile place.
都乐竞选活动仍然是一个干旱、贫瘠的地方。
Not much grows there.
那里生长不多。
Today is a kind of prelude to the general campaign, which will be relaunched in earnest tomorrow with a bold journey across the country.
今天是总动员的序幕，明天将正式重新启动，在全国范围内进行大胆的征程。
Dole marches for a dozen blocks through Clifton, New Jersey, in front of the parade's single float, bookended by his wife, Elizabeth, and Governor Christie Todd Whitman.
多尔在游行队伍的唯一花车前游行穿过新泽西州克利夫顿十几个街区，花车由他的妻子伊丽莎白和州长克里斯蒂·托德·惠特曼负责。
The crowd is quiet and sparse, less than one deep.
人群安静而稀疏，深不足一。
The parade climaxes in a park, where Dole is meant to make a few remarks and lay a wreath on a symbolic grave site.
游行在一个公园达到高潮，多尔将在那里发表几句话，并向一个具有象征意义的墓地敬献花圈。
I wait there for him, watching members of the local veterans organization subtly jockey for position.
我在那里等他，看着当地退伍军人组织的成员巧妙地争夺职位。
Six old men form the color guard, dressed in red jackets, VFW caps covered with patches and buttons, and the apprehensive air of people who fear they might be asked to improvise.
六位老人组成了护旗队，他们穿着红色夹克，戴着贴有补丁和纽扣的 VFW 帽子，人们担心自己可能会被要求即兴发挥。
But the really striking thing about them is how old they look, at least compared to Dole.
但他们真正引人注目的是他们看起来有多老，至少与多尔相比是这样。
They could almost be a different generation.
他们几乎可能是不同的一代。
"Any veterans of the first World War here?" I ask.
“这里有第一次世界大战的退伍军人吗？”我问。
"We just buried our last one last fall," says one, who sports a POW-MIA pin in his cap.
“去年秋天我们刚刚埋葬了最后一个，”其中一个人说道，他的帽子上别着一枚 POW-MIA 徽章。
"Don't come around here 10 years from now," says the man beside him, "or we won't be here, either."
“十年后别再来这里了，”他旁边的那个人说道，“否则我们也不会在这里了。”
May 28.
5月28日。
It turns out that we are flying all the way across the country to spend less than 24 hours in California before picking up and flying back.
原来我们是一路飞越全国，在加州呆了不到24小时就接机飞回来了。
First to Chicago, where we'll spend tomorrow night, and then to Ohio, on May the 28th, five months before the election.
首先前往芝加哥，明天晚上我们将在那里度过，然后于 5 月 28 日前往俄亥俄州，即距离大选还有五个月。
The only reason it doesn't seem insane is that several hundred seemingly sober men in dark suits follow Dole wherever he goes.
这看起来不疯狂的唯一原因是，无论多尔走到哪里，数百名穿着深色西装、看似清醒的男人都会跟随他。
There is a kind of ambitious young person who mistakes frenetic movement for advancement in the world.
有一种雄心勃勃的年轻人，误以为世界上的狂热运动是进步。
They'll call you from the road and say, "I'm in Bangladesh on business, heading for Iceland." And you know that he thinks this is sufficient explanation of his purpose in life.
他们会在路上给你打电话说：“我在孟加拉国出差，准备前往冰岛。”你知道他认为这足以解释他的人生目标。
The Dole campaign has something of this feeling.
都乐的活动就有这种感觉。
As long as the candidate keeps moving, everyone traveling with him is exempt from serious self-examination.
只要候选人继续前进，与他同行的每个人都可以免于认真的自我检查。
Which is a shame, since they have no idea why they are doing what they are doing.
这是一种耻辱，因为他们不知道为什么要做他们正在做的事情。
It's frequent flyer politics.
这是常旅客政治。
And within a couple of hours, I'm having my first Admiral Stockdale moment.
几个小时之内，我就迎来了我的第一个斯托克代尔上将时刻。
Who am I?
我是谁？
What am I doing here?
我在这里做什么？
Early the second morning, we descend, in our motorcade of 13 cars and 2 buses, on a seemingly tranquil park in Redondo Beach.
第二天一早，我们的车队由 13 辆汽车和 2 辆巴士组成，降落在雷东多海滩一个看似宁静的公园里。
The point of the event and the trip is to illustrate that Dole is against crime.
这次活动和这次旅行的目的是为了表明都乐反对犯罪。
The trouble is that Clinton is against crime, too.
问题是克林顿也反对犯罪。
So Dole needs to show that he's more fervently against crime than Clinton, who at this very moment is on route to New Orleans to deliver his own anti-crime speech.
因此，多尔需要表明他比克林顿更强烈地反对犯罪，而克林顿此时正在前往新奥尔良发表自己的反犯罪演讲。
Dole and Clinton are like Time and Newsweek.
多尔和克林顿就像《时代》和《新闻周刊》。
No matter how much they claim to differ, they still run the same covers, week after week.
无论他们声称有多么不同，他们仍然一周又一周地刊登相同的封面。
The park is being celebrated as an example of a neighborhood reclaiming public space from urban violence.
该公园被誉为社区从城市暴力中夺回公共空间的典范。
But as various political dignitaries loudly disapprove of drive-by shootings, a small group of dissenters forms on the fringe.
但随着多位政治要人强烈反对驾车枪击事件，一小群持不同政见者出现在边缘。
All but one are the Hispanics who bear the brunt of the new anti-crime esprit.
除了一个人之外，所有西班牙人都首当其冲地受到新的反犯罪精神的影响。
They're hauled off to jail for all sorts of odd crimes, carrying baseball bats into the park after 7 o'clock in the evening, for instance.
他们因各种奇怪的犯罪行为被抓进监狱，例如晚上 7 点后携带棒球棒进入公园。
The exception is a gentle old soul named Art Campbell, who for decades has cleaned the park, coached the local kids, and groomed the playing fields.
唯一的例外是一位名叫阿特·坎贝尔 (Art Campbell) 的温柔老人，几十年来他一直在打扫公园、指导当地孩子并整理运动场。
The ball field at the center of the park is named for him.
公园中心的球场以他的名字命名。
Art Campbell is a Dole supporter.
阿特·坎贝尔是多尔的支持者。
"I'm for the man," he says.
“我支持这个男人，”他说。
"I don't go by the party." But he's mildly perplexed by the anti-crime rally.
“我不参加聚会。”但他对反犯罪集会感到有些困惑。
"It isn't as bad as all that," he says.
“情况并没有那么糟糕，”他说。
A policeman on the scene confirms that the crime statistics in Redondo Beach are in line with those of the nation as a whole.
现场的一名警察证实，雷东多海滩的犯罪统计数据与全国的犯罪统计数据一致。
Violent crime has declined steadily here, as it has in other cities, over the past 20 years.
过去 20 年来，这里的暴力犯罪与其他城市一样稳步下降。
More to the point, he cannot recall a single violent crime in the park.
更重要的是，他不记得公园里发生过任何暴力犯罪事件。
"A few years ago, someone shot a gun in the air as he drove past the park," he says, "But no one was hurt."
“几年前，有人在开车经过公园时向空中开了一枪，”他说，“但没有人受伤。”
Campbell stops the park custodian, a Hispanic man who speaks poor English.
坎贝尔拦住了公园管理员，他是一位英语说得不好的西班牙裔男子。
"Do you think this Dole thing is a good idea?" he asks the man.
“你认为都乐的事情是个好主意吗？”他问那个人。
The man takes one look at my notepad and says, "I no want to say." He's afraid of offending his employers.
那人看了一眼我的记事本，说道：“我不想说。”他害怕得罪他的雇主。
The greatest fear in the park is the fear of offending the people on the platform who are spearheading the anti-crime initiative.
公园里最大的恐惧是担心冒犯平台上带头打击犯罪举措的人们。
Having successfully fed, and fed off of, the fear of crime, we wearily board the bus.
成功地满足并消除了对犯罪的恐惧后，我们疲倦地登上了公共汽车。
I am now certain that nothing interesting will ever occur in the close-cropped frame of the staged Dole event.
我现在确信，在上演的多尔活动的特写镜头中不会发生任何有趣的事情。
Where do politics come from, anyway?
无论如何，政治从何而来？
Not from listening to Bob Dole deliver a speech written by someone else to a group of people he knows nothing about in a place to which he'll never return.
不是因为听鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）在一个他永远不会回到的地方向一群他一无所知的人发表别人写的演讲。
Many of the criticisms about Dole can be made of Clinton, too, of course.
当然，对多尔的许多批评也可以针对克林顿。
You can't say anything about Dole's use of push polls, or about the cynicism of his staged events, without having some seasoned reporter look at you as if you were a child and say, "So what?
当你谈论多尔使用推式民意调查，或者谈论他策划的活动的愤世嫉俗时，就会有一些经验丰富的记者像个孩子一样看着你，说：“那又怎么样？
They all do that."
他们都这么做。”
The next week, the New York Times will carry a putatively positive piece about Dole's campaign manager, Scott Reed.
下周，《纽约时报》将刊登一篇关于多尔竞选经理斯科特·里德的正面报道。
Toward the end of it, almost by-the-by, we read this astonishing revelation about Dole's senate resignation.
在这本书的最后，我们几乎同时读到了关于多尔在参议院辞职的惊人消息。
Quote, "The element of surprise was essential, Mr. Dole and Reed decided, if the announcement were to appear bold and make an impression on voters.
引言：“多尔先生和里德先生认为，如果这一公告要显得大胆并给选民留下深刻的印象，那么出人意料的元素是必不可少的。
'If it had leaked,' Mr. Reed said, 'he probably wouldn't have done it.'"
“如果事情泄露了，”里德先生说，“他可能就不会这么做了。”
Think of it.
想一想吧。
Just a few weeks ago, the man stood before us and brought tears to our eyes by saying that you do not lay claim to the office you hold.
就在几周前，这个人站在我们面前，他说你不承认你所担任的职位，这让我们热泪盈眶。
It lays claim to you.
它对你提出了要求。
Your obligation is to bring to it the gifts you can, of labor and honesty, and then to part with grace.
你的义务是尽你所能，付出努力和诚实，然后放弃恩典。
But according to Reed, Dole's decision to end his wonderful senate career was baldly conceived as a PR stunt.
但根据里德的说法，多尔结束其出色的参议员生涯的决定被公然视为公关噱头。
Journalists are often accused of being cynical.
记者经常被指责愤世嫉俗。
But the cynicism of journalists does not compare to that of serious presidential candidates.
但记者的愤世嫉俗与严肃的总统候选人的愤世嫉俗无法相比。
Michael Lewis.
迈克尔·刘易斯.
His campaign diaries can be read in The New Republic.
他的竞选日记可以在《新共和》上阅读。
He's the author of Liar's Poker , which is a really funny, interesting, wonderful book that we strongly recommend.
他是《说谎者的扑克》的作者，这是一本非常有趣、有趣、精彩的书，我们强烈推荐。
Coming up, how you, you, can imitate Dole for your friends and family, and Mr. Danny Drennan.
接下来，您如何为您的朋友和家人以及 Danny Drennan 先生效仿都乐。
That's all in a minute when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，这一切就在一分钟之内。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a subject and invite a variety of writers and performers to take a whack at that subject with a variety of different kinds of stories.
当然，在我们的节目中，我们每周都会选择一个主题，并邀请各种作家和表演者通过各种不同类型的故事来探讨该主题。
Today, our topic is Bob Dole.
今天我们的主题是鲍勃·多尔。
We've arrived now at act two of our program.
现在我们已经进入了计划的第二幕。
Act Two, How You Can Be Bob Dole.
第二幕，你如何成为鲍勃·多尔。
For this act of our show, we welcome to our show a man named Robert Smigel.
在我们节目的这一幕中，我们欢迎一位名叫罗伯特·斯密格尔的人来到我们的节目。
And Smigel impersonates Bob Dole on Late Night with Conan O'Brien.
斯米格尔在《柯南·奥布莱恩深夜秀》中扮演鲍勃·多尔。
He used to impersonate him on the Dana Carvey Show, a short-lived program.
他曾在达纳·卡维秀（Dana Carvey Show）上模仿他，这是一个短暂的节目。
Smigel himself is former head writer with Saturday Night Live.
斯米格尔本人是《周六夜现场》的前首席编剧。
And he's probably best known for a sketch that he created.
他最出名的可能是他创作的草图。
To describe this thing, it's one of these things, it's almost hard to believe that a single person came up with this idea.
要描述这个东西，它就是其中之一，几乎很难相信一个人想出了这个想法。
Because it's just one of those things that just seem to spring out of the collective unconscious of our nation.
因为这只是似乎从我们国家的集体无意识中涌现出来的事情之一。
This is a sketch that on Saturday Night Live , they called the Superfans.
这是《周六夜现场》中的一个小品，他们称之为“超级粉丝”。
It was a bunch of Chicago, Chi-caw-go, guys, big guys, who would talk about Da Bears, Da Bulls.
这是一群芝加哥人，一群大佬，大个子，他们会谈论大熊队、大公牛队。
My tombstone will say "Da Corpse," I think.
我想我的墓碑上会写着“大尸体”。
[LAUGHTER] Ira Glass Anyway, so at some point, it became clear that Smigel was going to be the person who was going to be imitating Bob Dole on the Conan O'Brien show.
[笑声] Ira Glass 无论如何，在某个时刻，很明显斯米格尔将成为在柯南·奥布莱恩秀中模仿鲍勃·多尔的人。
And by the way, when he does this, what appears on a screen, there's sort of a TV monitor comes down from the ceiling.
顺便说一句，当他这样做时，屏幕上出现的内容是一个电视监视器从天花板上掉下来。
And then Conan O'Brien talks to the monitor.
然后柯南·奥布莱恩对监视器讲话。
And on the monitor, you'll see a photograph of Dole.
在显示器上，您会看到多尔的照片。
And then the lips are chroma keyed out or something, so you don't see those lips.
然后嘴唇被色度抠像什么的，所以你看不到那些嘴唇。
What you see is Smigel's lips.
你看到的是斯密格尔的嘴唇。
And then he does Dole's voice.
然后他模仿多尔的声音。
So when it became clear that he was going to have to imitate Bob Dole, he set about to design.
因此，当他意识到自己必须模仿鲍勃·多尔时，他开始了设计。
He had to think about it.
他必须考虑一下。
He had to plan it.
他必须计划一下。
Instantly, I thought of Dan Aykroyd's impression, which was ingrained in my head from working at Saturday Night Live.
我立刻想到了丹·艾克罗伊德的印象，这是在《周六夜现场》工作时在我脑海中根深蒂固的。
And what I try to do is find something and take it further, because otherwise, it's just boring to do what Dan Aykroyd did.
我想做的就是找到一些东西并进一步发展，因为否则的话，做丹·艾克罗伊德所做的事情就很无聊。
And so I started with the monotone thing.
所以我从单调的事情开始。
It's sort of how you have to get into it is just, "Bob Dole.
这就是你必须进入的方式，“鲍勃·多尔。
Bob Dole pronounces, emphasizes every word about the same way.
鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole) 发音、强调每个单词的方式都差不多。
It's kind of like a test pattern, [?
这有点像测试模式，[?
Dooooole.
杜奥奥。
?] That kind of thing."
？]那种事。”
And Dan Aykroyd kind of does the bully Dole from the '70s.
丹·艾克罗伊德（Dan Aykroyd）有点像 70 年代的恶霸多尔（Dole）。
Dole back then was sort of a Nixon protege.
当时的多尔有点像尼克松的门徒。
And then I figured I'd take it a little further and make it a little munchkin-like.
然后我想我应该更进一步，让它有点像芒奇金。
"Because Bob Dole tends to, when he rolls, when he keeps going, [UNINTELLIGIBLE], you'll be hist-- you'll be hist-- you'll be history." That kind of thing.
“因为鲍勃·多尔倾向于，当他滚动时，当他继续前进时，[难以理解]，你将成为他的——你将成为他的——你将成为历史。”那种事。
Then I figured out that Bob Dole is actually the tree from The Wizard of Oz.
然后我发现鲍勃·多尔实际上是《绿野仙踪》中的那棵树。
He's not a munchkin.
他不是芒奇金人。
He's actually--
他其实是——
Wait, let's pause on the munchkin.
等等，让我们暂停一下芒奇金。
What is the quality that makes it munchkin-like.
是什么让它像芒奇金一样。
Mayor of Munchkinland, you know.
曼奇金兰市长，你知道的。
"And she's not really, really dead.
“而且她并没有真的、真的死了。
She's really most sincerely dead." Kind of sounds like Bob Dole.
她真的死得很真诚了。”听起来有点像鲍勃·多尔。
"Not really-diddily dead.
“并没有真的——死得其所。
She's really-- let me tell you something.
她真的——让我告诉你一件事。
Bill Clinton's campaign is dead."
比尔·克林顿的竞选活动已经失败。”
But anyway, what he's really like is The Wizard of Oz tree, which is, "I'm Bob Dole.
但无论如何，他真正喜欢的是《绿野仙踪》树，即“我是鲍勃·多尔。
How'd you like it if somebody took apples off of you?"
如果有人从你身上拿走苹果，你会怎样？”
[LAUGHTER] Robert Smigel You know, he's even got the same expression as the tree.
[笑声] 罗伯特·斯密格尔 你知道，他的表情甚至和树一样。
And he's tragic in the way the tree is.
他就像这棵树一样是悲剧。
People are constantly pulling apples off, and they're not tasting them.
人们不断地摘下苹果，却没有品尝它们。
I've got about five minutes more on this analogy.
我还有大约五分钟的时间来解释这个类比。
Yeah, keep going.
是的，继续。
Robert Smigel Pshaw.
罗伯特·斯密格尔·普肖。
Nonsense, Conan O'Brien.
胡说八道，柯南·奥布莱恩。
Now you listen to me.
现在你听我说。
Bob Dole wasn't last night.
鲍勃·多尔昨晚不在。
Bob Dole's the new president of the United States, that's right.
鲍勃·多尔是美国新总统，没错。
Dole's on a roll.
都乐进展顺利。
Dole topped the polls.
多尔在民调中名列前茅。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Dole's in control.
多尔掌控一切。
Dole's riding a bull-Dole-zer.
多尔骑着一头斗牛多尔泽。
Shoot that punk.
射杀那个小混混。
Shoot that punk, smoke that Dole.
射杀那个小混混，抽那份都乐烟。
There's actually something kind of sweet about your imitation of Dole on Conan, because he's always a little bit giddy.
模仿柯南中的多尔实际上有一种甜蜜的感觉，因为他总是有点头晕。
On Conan?
柯南？
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass He almost seems deliriously happy.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 他看起来几乎高兴得发狂。
Oh, well, I'm just imagining his deepest thoughts.
哦，好吧，我只是想象他最深的想法。
And he's just letting them out at 12:30 at night, when no one's watching.
他只是在晚上 12:30 没有人在场的时候让他们出去。
That's sort of the premise.
这就是前提。
Like, "Bob Dole's the next president of the United States.
就像，“鲍勃·多尔是美国下一任总统。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE].
[无法理解]。
Sing with me, O'Brien." And I would make him sing, you know, "Happy Happy Dole Dole."
和我一起唱歌吧，奥布莱恩。”我会让他唱，你知道，“快乐多尔多尔”。
--Dole de-Dole de-Dole.
——多尔·德·多尔·德·多尔。
Conan O'Brien Wait a minute, Max, Max.
柯南·奥布莱恩 等一下，麦克斯，麦克斯。
Those are the stupidest lyrics I've ever heard.
这是我听过的最愚蠢的歌词。
Dole.
多尔。
Ira Glass The thing about it that's so appealing is that it shows Dole taking pleasure in something in a way that we never get to see him do in real life.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 这部电影如此吸引人的地方在于，它展示了多尔以一种我们在现实生活中从未见过的方式享受某些事情的乐趣。
When I do a politician on that show, I'm almost always doing the id of that politician.
当我在那个节目中扮演政治家时，我几乎总是在扮演那个政治家的身份。
It's basically nonsense.
基本上都是废话。
And sometimes I just have Dole giggling, and just--
有时我只是看到多尔咯咯地笑，然后——
"Bow to me" is one of my favorite things.
“向我鞠躬”是我最喜欢的事情之一。
Bow down to me, Conan O'Brien.
向我鞠躬，柯南·奥布莱恩。
Bow down to the next senate majority leader, most powerful man in the world.
向下一届参议院多数党领袖、世界上最有权势的人屈服。
Do you feel a certain affection and closeness for Dole?
您对都乐有一定的感情和亲近感吗？
I would think actually imitating somebody, you would have to develop that.
我认为真正模仿某人，你必须发展这一点。
Yeah, I really-- it's hard not to like Bob Dole anyway.
是的，我真的——无论如何，很难不喜欢鲍勃·多尔。
I mostly feel sorry for him.
我主要是为他感到难过。
To me, it just seems like it's only going to get worse for Bob Dole.
对我来说，鲍勃·多尔的情况似乎只会变得更糟。
At the point where he's supposed to catch up, where everybody expects that it's going to tighten, that's when they're going to debate.
当他应该迎头赶上时，每个人都预计局势会收紧时，那就是他们要辩论的时候。
And Bob Dole needs to have a 20-point lead before they start debating.
而鲍勃·多尔需要领先 20 分才能开始辩论。
Do you do him sometimes around the house?
你有时会在家里做他吗？
Unconsciously, yeah, sometimes.
是的，有时候，无意识地。
I just got a puppy, and I find it very effective training.
我刚养了一只小狗，我发现训练非常有效。
Really, like how?
真的吗，怎么样？
Robert Smigel Very effective, just when I put on the Bob Dole voice at the puppy.
罗伯特·斯密格尔（Robert Smigel）非常有效，就在我对小狗发出鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）的声音时。
"Sit!
“坐吧！
You listen to me, puppy.
你听我说，小狗。
You poop."
你便便。”
If you've seen Robert Smigel's imitations on the Dana Carvey Show , and actually, apparently, not many of you have, because that show did not last very long on the television, Smigel's imitation on that show was kind of cruel to Dole.
如果你看过罗伯特·斯米格尔在《达纳·卡维秀》中的模仿，实际上，显然，你们中的很多人都没有看过，因为那个节目在电视上持续的时间不长，斯米格尔在那个节目中的模仿对多尔来说有点残酷。
He basically played Dole as this doddering old man who could barely string together two or three words in a sentence.
他基本上把多尔扮演成一个年迈的老人，几乎无法将两三个单词拼成一个句子。
And in this imitation, in this version of his imitation, periodically, Dole would just lose it.
在这种模仿中，在他的模仿的这个版本中，多尔会周期性地失去它。
He would just forget where he is and what was going on.
他只会忘记自己在哪里以及发生了什么。
In one sketch, Smigel actually has Bob Dole going around saying, "Why won't Bob Dole debate me?"
在一幅素描中，斯米格尔实际上让鲍勃·多尔四处走动，说：“鲍勃·多尔为什么不和我辩论呢？”
That's right.
这是正确的。
That's how I used the Bob Dole thing there.
这就是我在那里使用鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）的方式。
He's lost track of who Bob Dole is.
他不知道鲍勃·多尔是谁了。
"Why won't Bob Dole debate me?
“鲍勃·多尔为什么不和我辩论呢？
Bob Dole is hiding.
鲍勃·多尔躲了起来。
Somebody--" And then he turned around and started yelling at the people behind him, like he thought they were the audience all the sudden.
有人——”然后他转过身来，开始对身后的人大喊大叫，就好像他突然以为他们是观众一样。
As somebody who has done an imitation of Dole where he's the boisterous, slightly bullying with Conan, the "bow to me" Dole, what do you make of this whole kinder, gentler, personable, "I'm going to tell you my real story," how do you think it's coming off?
作为一个模仿多尔的人，他是一个喧闹的、有点欺负柯南的人，“向我鞠躬”的多尔，你如何看待这整个更友善、更温和、风度翩翩的“我要告诉你我的真实故事”，你认为它会怎么样？
You think it's working?
你认为它有效吗？
Well, we've made fun of that on the Conan show, too, you know.
嗯，你知道，我们也在《柯南》节目中取笑过这一点。
Really?
真的吗？
Robert Smigel Yeah.
罗伯特·斯密格尔 是的。
Well, we've segued from him going, "I tell you, Bill Clinton's going to jail.
好吧，我们阻止他说：“我告诉你，比尔·克林顿要进监狱了。
Hillary Clinton's going to jail.
希拉里·克林顿要入狱了。
Socks the cat's going to jail.
袜子猫要进监狱了。
Oh, what am I talking about?
哦，我在说什么？
What's happening to Dole?
多乐怎么了？
Like that, O'Brien?
就这样，奥布莱恩？
That's a new Dole.
这是一个新的都乐。
New Dole cries.
新多尔哭了。
New Dole cries.
新多尔哭了。
Boo-hoo.
嘘嘘。
Like it?" This man has cried more-- I don't think there's a politician who's cried in public more than Bob Dole.
喜欢吗？”这个人哭得更多——我认为没有哪个政客比鲍勃·多尔在公共场合哭得更多。
It's such an amazing flip side to the guy, who's looked down as such a hardass.
对于这个被人瞧不起的硬汉来说，这是一个令人惊奇的反面。
Wait, when has he cried?
等等，他什么时候哭过？
Let's list the times.
让我们列出时间。
There's at Nixon's funeral, right?
尼克松的葬礼上有，对吧？
Nixon's funeral.
尼克松的葬礼。
He cried in Russell, Kansas.
他在堪萨斯州拉塞尔哭了。
He cried a little bit when he announced his resignation this year from the senate.
当他今年宣布辞去参议员职务时，他哭了一会儿。
And he cried when he went to Russell, Kansas.
当他去堪萨斯州的拉塞尔时，他哭了。
I mean, that's twice this spring.
我的意思是，今年春天这是两次。
And then he cried at Nixon's funeral.
然后他在尼克松的葬礼上哭了。
And do you buy it?
你买吗？
Robert Smigel Do I buy it?
罗伯特·斯密格尔 我买它吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Well, I buy the Nixon's funeral one.
好吧，我买了尼克松葬礼上的一件。
There didn't seem to be any political upside in that one.
这似乎没有任何政治上的好处。
Yeah, that's true.
是的，确实如此。
Robert Smigel So if you buy that one, then you have to think that it's possible that he was sincere in the other two.
罗伯特·斯密格尔：所以，如果你买了那一件，那么你必须认为他可能对另外两件是真诚的。
I can imagine the senate one would be hard for him.
我可以想象参议院对他来说会很难。
The Russell, Kansas thing, that stretches credibility a little bit.
堪萨斯州拉塞尔事件的可信度有点高。
Because basically, he only goes to Russell, Kansas to cry.
因为基本上，他只是去堪萨斯州的拉塞尔哭。
Supposedly he's never there except to make a speech once every eight years, when he runs for president.
据说，除了每八年竞选总统时发表一次演讲外，他从来不会在那里。
It's actually an odd thing to have a place where you go to cry.
事实上，有一个地方可以让你哭泣，这确实是一件很奇怪的事情。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
What if every time you wanted to cry, you had to hop the train to Newark?
如果每次你想哭时都必须跳火车去纽瓦克怎么办？
[LAUGHTER] Ira Glass It could be a burden on a relationship, for one thing.
[笑声] Ira Glass 一方面，这可能会成为一段关系的负担。
Got to go to Russell.
必须去拉塞尔。
Oh my god, I'm feeling a little bummed.
天哪，我感觉有点沮丧。
So let me ask you, do you have any tips for our listeners who might want to be imitating either candidate during the coming months?
那么，让我问你，对于未来几个月可能想要模仿任何一位候选人的听众，你有什么建议吗？
[LAUGHTER] Ira Glass Just a couple of pointers on how they might handle it.
[笑声] Ira Glass 只是一些关于他们如何处理它的建议。
Give us a couple for Clinton and a couple for Dole.
给我们一对克林顿和多尔一对。
You mean just physical moves?
你的意思是只是身体动作？
Ira Glass Yeah, physical moves, sure.
Ira Glass 是的，当然是身体动作。
All right.
好的。
Well, Bob Dole, I sort of walked you through Bob Dole.
好吧，鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole），我向您介绍了鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）。
Start with the test pattern, "Nnnnn."
从测试模式“Nnnnn”开始。
The monotone.
单调。
Robert Smigel "Dole, and everything is monotone after that.
罗伯特·斯密格尔“都尔，之后一切都变得单调。
And he says the same thing in the same tone of voice, speaks very rapidly, Dole." And then putting an "Nn" before the Dole makes him seem older.
他用同样的语气说同样的话，语速非常快，多尔。”然后在救济金前面加上“Nn”会让他看起来更老。
"Nn-Dole," that kind of thing.
“Nn-Dole”之类的东西。
Well, it depends on how far you want to take one.
嗯，这取决于你想走多远。
If you want to do the crazy Clinton, then that's easy.
如果你想模仿疯狂的克林顿，那很容易。
You start with Bruce Springsteen.
你从布鲁斯·斯普林斯汀开始。
And it's just, "Hey, little Mary with your daddy home.
只是，“嘿，小玛丽和你爸爸回家了。
Hey, man.
嘿，伙计。
How you doing?
你怎么样？
How's it going, everybody?
大家怎么样？
Whee-haw."
呼呼。”
But then there's more of a-- the more accurate Clinton is kind of the caring guy who's just sort of a gentle thing.
但更准确地说，克林顿是一个有爱心的人，也是一个温柔的人。
And it takes very little, very little energy.
而且它需要非常非常少的能量。
You just barely, barely breathe, hardly at all.
你只是几乎，几乎没有呼吸，几乎没有。
You barely breathe.
你几乎无法呼吸。
Also, your voice is going all the way to the back of your throat, isn't it?
而且，你的声音一直到喉咙深处，不是吗？
When I'm doing this, yeah.
当我这样做的时候，是的。
I feel the air.
我感觉到了空气。
That's very good, yes.
这非常好，是的。
I feel the air pushing toward the back of my throat.
我感觉到空气推向我的喉咙后部。
Robert Smigel, he imitates Bob Dole still on the program Late Night with Conan O'Brien.
罗伯特·斯米格尔（Robert Smigel）模仿鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole），他还在《柯南·奥布莱恩深夜秀》节目中模仿鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）。
Act Three, TV Politics.
第三幕，电视政治。
Most of us experience Bob Dole, the real Bob Dole, on television.
我们大多数人都在电视上经历过鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole），真正的鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）。
Most of us actually experience most politics in this country through television.
我们大多数人实际上通过电视体验这个国家的大部分政治。
And we thought to discuss Bob Dole as a television figure, we would get somebody who writes about TV.
我们想把鲍勃·多尔作为一个电视人物来讨论，我们会找一个写电视文章的人。
And the person we got is a guy named Danny Drennan.
我们找到的人是一个名叫丹尼·德伦南（Danny Drennan）的人。
And he writes something on the World Wide Web called the "90210 Weekly Wrapup." And this is about the TV show Beverly Hills 90210.
他在万维网上写了一些名为“90210 每周总结”的内容。这是关于电视节目《比佛利山庄 90210》的。
The way he writes about television, he is in his own genre of writing.
他写电视的方式是他自己的写作风格。
He careens from sheer cattiness to his own analysis of the program and how it's produced and all the actors, and then what all that means for the nation as a whole.
他从纯粹的尖酸刻薄转向他自己对节目、它的制作方式和所有演员的分析，以及这对整个国家意味着什么。
Periodically, he'll digress into little personal stories about his own life.
他会定期地讲一些关于他自己生活的个人小故事。
And so we at this little radio show adore his writing.
所以我们在这个小型广播节目中很喜欢他的作品。
And in fact, if you want to visit his website, we recommend it.
事实上，如果您想访问他的网站，我们推荐您访问他的网站。
The address is www.inquisitor.com.
地址是 www.inquisitor.com。
He also publishes a zine called Inquisitor.
他还出版了一本名为《Inquisitor》的杂志。
Anyway, so we invited him, and we were really glad when he said yes.
不管怎样，我们邀请了他，当他答应的时候我们真的很高兴。
We invited him to do something for our show.
我们邀请他为我们的节目做一些事情。
We asked him to watch Bob and Elizabeth Dole when they appeared on a recent hour of Larry King Live.
我们请他观看鲍勃和伊丽莎白·多尔最近一小时的拉里·金现场表演。
So I'm watching Larry King Live the other night, and Bob Dole is wearing a dark gray suit and a powerish, reddish tie.
那天晚上我正在看拉里·金现场直播，鲍勃·多尔穿着一套深灰色西装，打着一条强势的微红色领带。
And Elizabeth Dole is wearing a blue, blue dress and Red Cross red lipstick, which I guess means she's going for that red, white, and blue effect.
伊丽莎白·多尔穿着一件蓝、蓝相间的裙子，涂着红十字会的红色口红，我猜这意味着她想要红、白、蓝的效果。
And the first question is about the statement made by somebody that Hillary should debate Elizabeth.
第一个问题是关于有人发表的关于希拉里应该与伊丽莎白辩论的声明。
And Bob Dole is like, "It was a joke." And Elizabeth Dole is like, "It was in jest, Larry." And then Elizabeth Dole goes on and on about how the emphasis should be on the presidential candidates, which is funny, because she doesn't let poor Bob Dole get a word in edgewise.
鲍勃·多尔说：“这是一个笑话。”伊丽莎白·多尔说：“拉里，这是开玩笑。”然后伊丽莎白·多尔继续说重点应该放在总统候选人身上，这很有趣，因为她不让可怜的鲍勃·多尔插话。
So next, Larry King is asking whether there are any women on "the list" for vice president, since Elizabeth Dole said that in our lifetime, there would be women presidential candidates.
接下来，拉里·金问副总统“名单”上是否有女性，因为伊丽莎白·多尔说过，在我们的有生之年，将会有女性总统候选人。
And Bob Dole goes on and on about his process for picking a VP.
鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole) 继续讲述他挑选副总裁的过程。
And Larry King, sounding like someone out of The Godfather , is like, "But you know all of these guys.
拉里·金（Larry King）听起来就像是《教父》中的人物，他说：“但是你认识所有这些人。
What do you need a process for?"
需要流程做什么？”
And Bob Dole starts to list the things he looks for in a vice president.
鲍勃·多尔开始列出他对副总统的期望。
And two of them are health and age, which I thought kind of weird.
其中两个是健康和年龄，我觉得这有点奇怪。
Like maybe Bob Dole shouldn't be allowed to say the words health and age at all.
也许鲍勃·多尔根本不应该被允许说出健康和年龄这两个词。
And all I could imagine was a room full of Dole campaign handlers in Larry King's green room going "Damn!" at the top of their lungs.
我所能想象的就是拉里·金绿色房间里满屋子的多尔竞选负责人都在说“该死！”在他们肺的顶部。
So then there's this whole thing about Katie Couric's interview of the Doles, and how she didn't stick to her script and just talk about the book that the Doles have written, which I guess was Elizabeth Dole's cue to start talking about the book, which she did.
接下来就是凯蒂·库里克对多尔夫妇的采访，以及她如何不遵守剧本而只谈论多尔夫妇写的书，我猜这是伊丽莎白·多尔开始谈论这本书的暗示，她也这么做了。
And she reads the inscription she wrote to Larry King, which goes "To Larry.
她读了她写给拉里·金的题词，上面写着“致拉里。
Here's hoping that Larry King Live will be broadcast live from the Dole White House, 7-15-96.
希望 Larry King Live 能够于 96 年 7 月 15 日在多尔白宫进行现场直播。
And your program is mentioned in the book, Larry."
拉里，书中提到了你的程序。”
I totally think that Elizabeth Dole is shaking down Larry King.
我完全认为伊丽莎白·多尔正在撼动拉里·金。
Maybe he won't be interviewing the Gores or the Clintons because Elizabeth Dole gave him the plug in the book and that emphatic, sternly scolding "Larry" at the end.
也许他不会采访戈尔夫妇或克林顿夫妇，因为伊丽莎白·多尔给了他书中的插页，并在最后强调、严厉地斥责“拉里”。
And then Larry King points his gatling gun mouth at Elizabeth, who, with a big old smile on her face, is like, "I thought we were there to talk about the book, Larry." Like, how harsh is Elizabeth Dole?
然后拉里·金用他的加特林枪口指着伊丽莎白，伊丽莎白脸上带着古老的笑容，说道：“拉里，我以为我们是来讨论这本书的。”比如，伊丽莎白·多尔有多严厉？
I seriously would never want to be on Elizabeth Dole's bad side.
我真的不想站在伊丽莎白·多尔的坏一边。
Next, they're going on and on about how badly the campaign is doing.
接下来，他们不断地谈论竞选活动的进展有多么糟糕。
And Elizabeth Dole is talking about how no one is engaged because it's summer vacation.
伊丽莎白·多尔正在谈论如何没有人订婚，因为现在是暑假。
And Larry King is all, "Well, you know the media.
拉里·金则说道：“好吧，你了解媒体。
Today's mistake is tomorrow's headline." And how weird to hear Mr. Media Manipulation himself talk about the goings-on of the media as if they are a totally natural state of affairs that he himself has nothing to do with.
今天的错误就是明天的头条新闻。”听到媒体操纵先生本人谈论媒体所发生的事情是多么奇怪，就好像它们是完全自然的事态，与他本人无关。
How annoying is that?
这有多烦人？
And then Bob Dole, instead of casually dropping his buzzwords one by one into the conversation, just reels off a whole bunch of them wholesale.
然后鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）并没有在谈话中漫不经心地一一说出他的流行语，而是滔滔不绝地滔滔不绝地说出一大堆。
And meanwhile, Larry King is still stuck on the whole tax thing and is trying to pin Bob dole down.
与此同时，拉里·金（Larry King）仍然坚持整个税收问题，并试图限制鲍勃·多尔（Bob dole）。
And I have to wonder whether Larry King has really bad breath or something, because Bob Dole kept making these faces as if that might be the case.
我不得不怀疑拉里·金是否真的有口臭之类的东西，因为鲍勃·多尔一直做着这些鬼脸，好像情况确实如此。
So then Elizabeth Dole is talking about Bob Dole's message and Bob Dole's agenda, and then it's her turn to start reeling off a list of agenda bullet points.
然后伊丽莎白·多尔正在谈论鲍勃·多尔的信息和鲍勃·多尔的议程，然后轮到她开始列出一系列议程要点。
And then Bob Dole basically says that without television, a politician can't campaign, which is a pretty scary thing, if you ask me.
然后鲍勃·多尔基本上说，如果没有电视，政客就无法竞选，如果你问我的话，这是一件非常可怕的事情。
And then he adds in all the bullet points of what Bill Clinton has done wrong so far.
然后他补充了比尔·克林顿迄今为止所做的错误的所有要点。
And then Bob Dole is saying how he's glad to be the underdog and that the real campaign is going to kick off with a powerful acceptance speech by Bob Dole at the Republican National Convention.
然后鲍勃·多尔表示，他很高兴成为失败者，真正的竞选活动将以鲍勃·多尔在共和党全国代表大会上发表强有力的获奖感言拉开帷幕。
And then Bob Dole announces that Susan Molinari is going to be the keynote speaker, since she is young and dynamic.
然后鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole) 宣布苏珊·莫利纳里 (Susan Molinari) 将担任主讲人，因为她年轻且充满活力。
And Elizabeth Dole adds that Molinari believes strongly in what Bob Dole stands for.
伊丽莎白·多尔 (Elizabeth Dole) 补充道，莫利纳里 (Molinari) 坚信鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole) 所代表的理念。
And it's almost at the point where if you couldn't see the TV picture, you might very well wonder if Bob Dole is still in the room or not, since everyone, including Bob Dole, keeps saying "Bob Dole."
几乎到了这样的地步：如果你看不到电视画面，你很可能想知道鲍勃·多尔是否还在房间里，因为包括鲍勃·多尔在内的每个人都一直在说“鲍勃·多尔”。
Meanwhile, Larry King is milking the whole Susan Molinari thing.
与此同时，拉里·金（Larry King）正在榨取苏珊·莫里纳里（Susan Molinari）的一切。
And he's like, "That's a big statement about cities." And Bob Dole adds women to that list.
他说，“这是关于城市的重要声明。”鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole) 将女性添加到了该名单中。
And then he starts going on and on about all this stuff he's done for women all these years.
然后他开始滔滔不绝地讲述这些年来他为女性所做的一切。
And all I know is that I was taking the M7 uptown bus the other day, and we were going through Midtown.
我所知道的是，前几天我乘坐 M7 上城巴士，经过中城。
And there were these two women seated in front of me.
这两个女人坐在我前面。
And in Midtown, there's this big clock which shows a readout of the national debt getting higher and higher.
在市中心，有一个大钟，显示的国债读数越来越高。
And this one woman is like, "Look, the national debt just gets higher and higher." Like maybe they should take the money that everyone saves with MCI, which is another huge number readout in Midtown, and put that money toward paying off the national debt.
这位女士说，“看，国家债务越来越高。”也许他们应该把每个人通过 MCI 储蓄的钱（这是中城的另一个巨额数字）用来偿还国债。
So then she asks her friend, "Who are you voting for?" And the second lady is like, "I don't like the situation we're in one bit.
然后她问她的朋友：“你投票给谁？”第二夫人说：“我不喜欢我们现在的处境。
I don't see anyone with any high morals or good ideas, and I don't like Bob Dole.
我没有看到任何人有任何高尚的道德或好的想法，我也不喜欢鲍勃·多尔。
I don't like his stance on issues.
我不喜欢他在问题上的立场。
Plus, I think he's too old."
另外，我认为他太老了。”
And the first lady's like "Too old." And the second lady is like, "Too old.
第一夫人说“太老了”。第二夫人说：“太老了。
He would be a one-term president." And the other lady is like, "Definitely a one-term president." So maybe Bob Dole should ride around on New York mass transit to get a sense of what he should be doing.
他将担任一届总统。”另一位女士则说：“绝对是一届总统。”因此，也许鲍勃·多尔应该乘坐纽约的公共交通来了解他应该做什么。
And then Bob Dole goes on about what he's done for women, saying, "I've been living with a woman," which was a really, really weird thing to say.
然后鲍勃·多尔继续谈论他为女性所做的事情，他说，“我一直和一个女人住在一起，”这真是一件非常非常奇怪的事情。
So then we get an advertisement about health insurance sponsored by the Republican National Committee, showing this smirking kid breathing through a tube while his mother goes on about what we need.
然后我们就收到了共和党全国委员会赞助的有关健康保险的广告，广告中显示这个傻笑的孩子通过管子呼吸，而他的母亲则继续谈论我们需要什么。
And then there's a commercial for life insurance featuring these crying statues in the rain.
然后还有一则人寿保险广告，其中展示了这些在雨中哭泣的雕像。
And I don't know that it's such a good idea to remind people about sickness and death when Bob Dole is on the program.
我不知道当鲍勃·多尔参加节目时提醒人们有关疾病和死亡是个好主意。
And Larry King brings up Susan Molinari again, like, "Yeah, Larry, we get your little prearranged scoop.
拉里·金再次提到苏珊·莫里纳里，说道：“是的，拉里，我们得到了你预先安排好的独家新闻。
Quit working it so much." And Larry King is like, "How did you get involved in this tobacco thing?" And Bob Dole is like, "Just blew in, I guess." And then you realize that Bob Dole keeps looking at himself in the monitor, or else someone is there backstage that he's looking at for cues.
别再那么多工作了。”拉里·金说：“你是怎么涉足烟草行业的？”鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）就像是，“我猜，只是突然爆发了。”然后你意识到鲍勃·多尔一直在监视器中看着自己，或者后台有人正在寻找线索。
And how sick is it to refer to the undeniable pull of tobacco company money in Bob Dole's pocket as something that "just blew in"?
将烟草公司资金对鲍勃·多尔口袋的不可否认的吸引力称为“刚刚爆发”的东西，这有多病态？
And then Bob Dole says he's not a scientist and so couldn't know that smoking is addictive, which is weird, because later he refers to relatives who were sick due to smoking-related problems.
然后鲍勃·多尔说他不是科学家，所以不知道吸烟会让人上瘾，这很奇怪，因为后来他提到了因吸烟相关问题而生病的亲戚。
How much evidence do you personally need, Bob Dole?
鲍勃·多尔，您个人需要多少证据？
And then Larry King is like, "Would you tell Americans to stop smoking?" And Bob Dole is like, "Yeah, all of you stop smoking." And Elizabeth Dole qualifies that with "pregnant women and elderly people with respiratory disorders." Where do you think most respiratory disorders come from, Elizabeth Dole?
然后拉里·金问道：“你会告诉美国人停止吸烟吗？”鲍勃·多尔说：“是的，你们都戒烟了。”伊丽莎白·多尔（Elizabeth Dole）将这一点定义为“患有呼吸系统疾病的孕妇和老年人”。伊丽莎白·多尔，您认为大多数呼吸系统疾病来自哪里？
And then Bob Dole is like, "It's not good for you.
然后鲍勃·多尔说：“这对你没有好处。
It's bad for your health.
这对你的健康有害。
Don't do it." And having said that, like he was about to go on, but Elizabeth Dole interrupts him and goes, "That's it." And they all laugh.
别这么做。”话虽如此，他正要继续说下去，但伊丽莎白·多尔打断了他，说道：“就是这样。”他们都笑了。
And we get an arthritis pain medication commercial and a denture cream commercial.
我们还得到了关节炎止痛药广告和假牙膏广告。
So then Larry King is asking Elizabeth Dole about what she's going to be doing as First Lady.
拉里·金向伊丽莎白·多尔询问她作为第一夫人将做什么。
And she starts going on about being a supportive spouse.
她开始继续做一个支持她的配偶。
And Bob Dole makes a joke about calling her up for a transfusion.
鲍勃·多尔开玩笑说给她打电话要求输血。
And then he looks at the monitor again.
然后他又看了看监视器。
And meanwhile, Elizabeth Dole is going on about going around the country to places where mentally challenged youths are making beautiful products.
与此同时，伊丽莎白·多尔（Elizabeth Dole）继续走遍全国，前往智障青少年制作精美产品的地方。
And I swear to god, if she got any more condescending, I was going to seriously put my foot through the television.
我向上帝发誓，如果她再居高临下，我会认真地把脚踩在电视上。
So then Bob Dole goes on the record as not speaking about Clinton's character by listing Whitewater and Filegate as two things he hasn't talked about, even though he just did.
因此，鲍勃·多尔公开表示没有谈论克林顿的性格，将白水和文件门列为他没有谈论过的两件事，尽管他刚刚谈论过。
And then Larry King brings up more records.
然后拉里·金又创造了更多记录。
And then Bob Dole goes, "Trust."
然后鲍勃·多尔说：“相信。”
And then Elizabeth Dole starts going on about how Bob Dole was a poor farmboy whose family moved their kids into the basement to rent out the house to make ends meet.
然后伊丽莎白·多尔（Elizabeth Dole）开始讲述鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）是一个贫穷的农家男孩，他的家人把孩子搬进地下室，出租房子以维持收支平衡。
How depressing is that?
那有多令人沮丧？
No wonder Bob Dole has a sour demeanor all the time, since he grew up with no windows.
难怪鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）的举止一直很阴郁，因为他是在没有窗户的情况下长大的。
And then Elizabeth Dole goes on some more, like maybe she should let her husband talk just a little bit.
然后伊丽莎白·多尔又继续说下去，好像也许她应该让她丈夫说一点。
And then Larry King brings up the Jimmy Carter question.
然后拉里·金提出了吉米·卡特的问题。
"Can you say you would never tell a lie?" And Bob Dole goes, "Yes." And Elizabeth Dole goes, "Yes." Whose question is that?
“你能说你永远不会说谎吗？”鲍勃·多尔说：“是的。”伊丽莎白·多尔说：“是的。”那是谁的问题？
And then they go on and on about affirmative action.
然后他们继续谈论平权行动。
And then Larry King promises to take phone calls for, like, the 50th time.
然后拉里·金承诺接听电话，大概是第 50 次了。
Maybe no one is calling in or something.
也许没有人打来电话或者什么的。
And then we get that health insurance commercial again and an ad for some ginseng-based energizing dietary supplement to help you feel not so old.
然后我们又看到了健康保险广告，以及一些以人参为基础的能量膳食补充剂的广告，可以帮助您感觉不那么老。
Next, they're talking about the stock market.
接下来，他们谈论股市。
And we finally go to calls, but Larry doesn't seem to know how to work the phones.
我们终于去打电话了，但拉里似乎不知道如何使用电话。
And the caller's from Georgia.
来电者来自佐治亚州。
And I was hoping it was that guy who called up when Jesse Helms was on, thanking him for all his work in controlling blacks, only he didn't say blacks.
我希望是那个在杰西·赫尔姆斯上场时打电话来的人，感谢他在控制黑人方面所做的一切工作，只是他没有说黑人。
But it was only some guy asking about running mates again.
但这只是某个人再次询问竞选伙伴的事情。
The one call that they take on the show, and it is some yokel who didn't get that they weren't going to talk about possible running mates.
他们在节目中接到的一个电话是一些乡巴佬，他们不明白他们不会谈论可能的竞选搭档。
So finally, we get Susan Molinari on the phone from a restaurant somewhere, gushing on and on about Bob Dole to the point where they probably should have cut her off.
最后，我们接到苏珊·莫里纳里 (Susan Molinari) 从某个餐厅打来的电话，她滔滔不绝地谈论鲍勃·多尔 (Bob Dole)，以至于他们可能应该打断她。
And Larry King asks whether Susan Molinari thinks her pro-choice abortion stand is going to be a problem.
拉里·金问苏珊·莫里纳里是否认为她支持堕胎的立场会成为一个问题。
And Susan Molinari is going on about how, "This is the man to bring the convention together, and there is no greater honor in the world than to speak on behalf of the gentleman currently on your show." You would think Susan Molinari just found God or something, the way she was going on about it.
苏珊·莫里纳里 (Susan Molinari) 继续说道，“他是召集大会的人，世界上没有比代表目前在你们节目中的这位先生发言更荣幸的事情了。”你可能会认为苏珊·莫里纳里（Susan Molinari）刚刚找到了上帝之类的东西，就像她所做的那样。
And all I want to know is does Susan Molinari on the phone to Larry King count as a paid Republican advertisement for Bob Dole, especially when Larry King points out that Bob Dole is the guest who's appeared most on the Larry King show?
我想知道的是，苏珊·莫里纳里（Susan Molinari）给拉里·金（Larry King）打电话算不算鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）的共和党付费广告，尤其是当拉里·金指出鲍勃·多尔（Bob Dole）是拉里·金节目中出现次数最多的嘉宾时？
And then Larry King makes a point of reminding all the news flunkies out there that the two points from his show to remember are "Never lie" and "Susan Molinari." And I don't think November could be any scarier in my mind at this point.
然后拉里·金特意提醒所有新闻工作者，他的节目中要记住的两点是“永不撒谎”和“苏珊·莫里纳里”。我认为此时此刻，十一月在我心目中不会更可怕。
Well, it is This American Life, the public radio show that is down with the king.
好吧，这就是《美国生活》，这是一档让国王垮台的公共广播节目。
Well, our program was produced today by Peter Clowney and myself, with Alix Spiegel, Nancy Updike, and Dolores Wilber, contributing editors Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, and Margy Rochlin.
好吧，我们今天的节目是由彼得·克劳尼和我本人、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔、南希·厄普代克和多洛雷斯·威尔伯、特约编辑保罗·托夫、杰克·希特和玛吉·罗克林共同制作的。
[ACKNOWLEDGMENTS] You can read Danny Drennan's writing about 90210 and other things on the web, and we recommend this, http://www.inquisitor com.
[致谢] 您可以在网上阅读 Danny Drennan 撰写的有关 90210 和其他内容的文章，我们推荐此内容，http://www.inquisitor com。
There's another dot in there.
里面还有一个点。
You can figure out where it is.
你可以弄清楚它在哪里。
If you would like a copy of this program, it only costs $10.
如果您想要一份该程序的副本，只需花费 10 美元。
Call us at WBEZ, 312-832-3380.
请致电 WBEZ，312-832-3380。
Or email us, [email protected] And have you emailed us?
或者给我们发电子邮件，[email protected] 您给我们发电子邮件了吗？
No, you have not.
不，你没有。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 监督。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
I think at this point, it's better to be the underdog.
我认为在这一点上，最好是成为失败者。
And we believe we're on target.
我们相信我们已经达到目标了。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。