286: Mind Games (2005) - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass The first thing you need to know about Lori is that normally she's not the kind of girl who does this sort of thing at all.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 关于 Lori，你首先需要了解的是，通常她根本不是那种会做这种事的女孩。
She doesn't write to strangers.
她不给陌生人写信。
She doesn't do fan mail.
她不写粉丝来信。
But she was looking at-- you know the page in certain magazines where they have the little pictures of the people who write for the magazine?
但她正在看——你知道某些杂志上有为该杂志撰稿人的小照片的页面吗？
She was looking at that, and she saw the photo of this writer who she liked.
她正在看那个，看到了她喜欢的这位作家的照片。
The picture was blurry, but he had this intense look in his eye.
照片很模糊，但他的眼里却充满了强烈的神情。
And you could tell he was smart and cute.
你可以看出他聪明又可爱。
Both at the same time.
两者同时进行。
But I saw this picture and I was like, that guy's my soul mate.
但我看到这张照片时就想，那个人是我的灵魂伴侣。
I know that's completely insane, but I knew that I could not not contact him because I would aways regret it if I didn't.
我知道这完全是疯了，但我知道我不能不联系他，因为如果不联系我我会后悔的。
So I wrote this letter to the magazine, to him, care of the magazine.
所以我给杂志社写了这封信，给他，托照杂志社。
And I made up a story.
我编了一个故事。
I said, I know this is going to sound really weird, but I saw your picture on the contributors page, and you look exactly like this guy that I met in the airport years ago.
我说，我知道这听起来很奇怪，但我在贡献者页面上看到了你的照片，你看起来和我几年前在机场遇到的这个人一模一样。
This is a complete lie.
这完全是一个谎言。
So I said, I was changing planes and you were going into one gate and I was going into another, and we struck up this conversation.
所以我说，我要转机，你要进入一个登机口，我要进入另一个登机口，然后我们开始了这次对话。
And you were talking about how you wanted to become a writer.
你正在谈论你如何想成为一名作家。
And I said, I'm not sure if it's you.
我说，我不确定是不是你。
I know this sounds really strange, but if you remember this, let me know.
我知道这听起来很奇怪，但如果你还记得这一点，请告诉我。
And if it's not you, let me know also, just so that I know that it wasn't you.
如果不是你，也请告诉我，这样我就知道那不是你。
Ah, very clever, though, the ending, that he basically has to call you even if he's not the guy, just to put your mind at ease.
啊，不过，结局很聪明，即使他不是那个人，他基本上也必须给你打电话，只是为了让你放心。
She figured that, in the extremely unlikely event that they actually sort of got along and it led to something bigger, well, then she would admit the truth, and no harm done.
她认为，在极不可能的情况下，他们实际上相处得很好，并导致了更大的事情，那么她就会承认事实，并且不会造成任何伤害。
Remember, she had never done this kind of scam before.
请记住，她以前从未做过这种骗局。
She had no idea how complicated it could get.
她不知道事情会变得多么复杂。
So I don't hear from him, which I was relieved by, actually.
所以我没有收到他的消息，事实上，这让我松了一口气。
After I sent the letter, I really regretted actually sending the letter.
寄出这封信后，我真的很后悔寄出这封信。
And I was glad that I never heard from him.
我很高兴我从未收到过他的消息。
And I was really glad the whole thing went away, because I was really sort of just embarrassed that I had done this.
我真的很高兴整件事都消失了，因为我真的为自己做了这件事感到有点尴尬。
So then one day, like three months later, I get a call.
然后有一天，大约三个月后，我接到一个电话。
And I was actually waiting for the cable guy.
我实际上是在等有线电视人员。
I'd been waiting for, like, three days for the cable guy.
我已经等了有线电视人三天了。
So I'm on the phone with the cable company, and they're saying, the guy in the field is going to call you any second on your call waiting, so we're going to hang on with you while we contact him and he's going to call you.
所以我正在与有线电视公司通电话，他们说，现场的人会在您等待呼叫时随时给您打电话，所以我们在联系他时会等您，他会打电话给您。
So then my call waiting beeps in.
然后我的呼叫等待嘟嘟响了。
And I say, hello.
我说，你好。
And the person says, is this Lori?
那人说，这是洛瑞吗？
And I say, yes.
我说，是的。
And the person says, I'm the guy.
那人说，我就是那个人。
And I think he's the cable guy.
我认为他是有线电视人。
So I say, where have you been?
所以我说，你去哪儿了？
And he says, I know, I'm really sorry.
他说，我知道，我真的很抱歉。
I meant to contact you earlier.
我本来想早点联系你的。
And this whole thing goes back and forth until I realize that he's not the cable guy.
整个事情来来回回，直到我意识到他不是有线电视人员。
So I said, you're not the cable guy?
所以我说，你不是有线电视人吗？
And he says, no, I'm the guy from the airport.
他说，不，我是机场的那个人。
And I'm floored, because I can't believe that he's calling, that I'm actually on the phone with him, that I'm talking to this guy that I was momentarily obsessed with.
我很震惊，因为我不敢相信他在打电话，我真的在和他打电话，我正在和这个我暂时着迷的人说话。
And it's him.
就是他。
And he starts to tell me that he's really glad that he heard from me, because, yes, he's the guy from the airport.
他开始告诉我，他真的很高兴收到我的来信，因为，是的，他就是机场的那个人。
And what a coincidence, he's coming to LA to do a story the next day.
真是巧合，他第二天就要来洛杉矶写一个故事。
And can we see each other again?
我们还能再见吗？
And I'm thinking to myself, again?
我又在想？
This didn't happen.
这并没有发生。
And I'm really worried that he thinks that I'm somebody else, like, maybe he met some other girl in the airport a long time ago and he thinks that I'm that girl.
我真的很担心他认为我是别人，就像，也许他很久以前在机场遇到了另一个女孩，他认为我就是那个女孩。
And when he meets me, he's going to be really disappointed that I'm not whoever he was thinking of.
当他见到我时，他会非常失望，因为我不是他想象中的那个人。
But I also don't want to correct him, because then I think if I tell him, you know what?
但我也不想纠正他，因为我想如果我告诉他，你知道吗？
Actually, I made the whole thing up, and I just wanted to get to meet you, he'll think I'm insane and he won't want to meet me.
事实上，这一切都是我编造的，我只是想见见你，他会认为我疯了，他不会想见我。
So I decide that I will meet him, but I will tell him the truth immediately upon meeting him.
所以我决定去见他，但见面后我会立即告诉他真相。
Wait, you know there's a third option, and that is that he knows he didn't meet you, but he just wants to meet a girl.
等等，你知道还有第三种选择，那就是他知道他没有遇见你，但他只是想遇见一个女孩。
I thought about that.
我想到了这一点。
And there was actually a fourth option, which was he knows that I'm screwing with him, and he's just getting back at me by kind of playing the game.
实际上还有第四种选择，那就是他知道我在和他搞砸，他只是通过玩游戏来报复我。
Wow.
哇。
Lori Gottlieb Yeah.
洛瑞·戈特利布 是的。
I mean, there were so many options that were just out of my experience or out of the experience of anything that I had heard about, that I couldn't imagine what was going on.
我的意思是，有太多的选择只是出于我的经验或我所听说的任何事情的经验，我无法想象发生了什么。
And so, out of fear that I wouldn't be able to meet him, I decided to say nothing.
因此，由于担心无法见到他，我决定什么也不说。
I have to say, you were meeting him, like, for him to be the person on the phone when you're expecting the cable guy, did that make it seem more romantic?
我不得不说，你正在和他见面，就像，当你在等有线电视人员时，他是接电话的人，这是否会让事情看起来更浪漫？
Like, you guys were meeting, so cute.
就像你们见面一样，太可爱了。
Or did it make it feel like you didn't even want to deal?
或者这是否让您感觉根本不想交易？
Oh, no. The minute I found out that it was him, I completely regressed back into my state of obsession.
哦，不。当我发现是他的那一刻，我完全回到了痴迷的状态。
And in terms of meeting cute, actually he was coming to LA and I was going to New York, and we were going to miss each other completely.
就见面可爱而言，实际上他要去洛杉矶，我要去纽约，我们会完全想念彼此。
It was like a romantic comedy, but it turned out that my flight back to LA was an hour before his outgoing flight back to New York.
这就像一部浪漫喜剧，但事实证明，我返回洛杉矶的航班比他返回纽约的航班早一个小时。
So it turned out we were going to be in the same terminal at the same time at LAX.
结果我们将在同一时间在洛杉矶国际机场的同一个航站楼。
So he said, wouldn't it be great to meet in the airport again?
于是他说，如果能再次在机场见面，不是很好吗？
Which, of course, was the single most confusing thing that he could possibly say, because, on the one hand, how fated, how romantic comedy can you get, both at the airport, right?
当然，这可能是他能说的最令人困惑的事情，因为，一方面，在机场你能得到多么命中注定、多么浪漫的喜剧，对吧？
And on the other hand, what the hell is he talking about?
另一方面，他到底在说什么？
They've never met.
他们从未见过面。
Well, today on our radio show, we have three stories of mind games, situations where a simple deception goes way out of hand and leads to all kinds of things that it was never intended to lead to.
好吧，今天在我们的广播节目中，我们有三个关于心理游戏的故事，在这些情况下，一个简单的欺骗就会失控，并导致各种意想不到的事情。
You're listening to This American Life, by the way, from Chicago Public Radio, distributed by Public Radio International.
顺便说一句，您正在收听芝加哥公共广播电台的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Later in our program today, we have the story of self-appointed secret agents, going around New York City hoping to serve the forces of good and not evil, until things get more emotional than they planned.
在今天晚些时候的节目中，我们讲述了自封的特工的故事，他们在纽约市四处走动，希望为正义而不是邪恶的力量服务，直到事情变得比他们计划的更加情绪化。
And we have Scott Carrier talking about an invisible girl in Salt Lake City.
斯科特·卡里尔 (Scott Carrier) 正在谈论盐湖城的一个隐形女孩。
But before we get any of that, consider what happened to Lori.
但在我们了解这些之前，请考虑一下洛瑞身上发生了什么。
Her travel plans change.
她的旅行计划改变了。
She can't meet the guy at the airport.
她无法在机场见到那个人。
And so instead, she shows up and she has a drink with him at his hotel.
于是，她出现了，并在他的酒店和他一起喝了一杯。
And the first surprise is he looks nothing-- nothing-- like his picture.
第一个惊喜是他看上去一点也不像他的照片。
And I didn't quite know what to do about that, because he looked so unlike his picture that at that point I wondered if he was actually the guy, or if he had sent-- like he was playing a mind game with me, and he had sent some other guy to kind of go on the date with me.
我不太知道该怎么办，因为他看起来和照片上的很不一样，当时我想知道他是否真的是那个人，或者他是否派了——就像他在和我玩心理游戏一样，他派了另一个人来和我约会。
Wow.
哇。
I love how, because you're running a con, suddenly you believe everybody is running a con.
我喜欢这样，因为你在进行一场骗局，突然间你相信每个人都在进行一场骗局。
Well, your sense of reality gets turned upside down.
好吧，你的现实感被颠倒了。
It's like you think I'm an honest person and I did this, so who knows what other people are doing.
就好像你认为我是一个诚实的人，我就这么做了，所以谁知道别人在做什么。
So she sits there.
所以她坐在那里。
And the longer she sits there, the more that she can see that, yes, when he turns his head this particular way, he probably is the guy in the photo.
她坐在那里的时间越长，她就越能看到，是的，当他以这种特殊的方式转动头部时，他可能就是照片中的那个人。
Not that that helps anything.
并不是说这有任何帮助。
She is not liking the real him, not attracted.
她不喜欢真正的他，不被吸引。
And because I'm not interested, I'm kind of deciding, do I need to even tell him that I made this up, or can I just leave?
因为我不感兴趣，所以我在决定，我是否需要告诉他这是我编造的，或者我可以离开吗？
Oh, right.
哦，对了。
Lori Gottlieb He doesn't need to know that I made up the story.
洛里·戈特利布 他不需要知道这个故事是我编造的。
But then, on the other hand, it was sort of strange because he kept talking about our encounter in the airport.
但另一方面，这有点奇怪，因为他一直在谈论我们在机场的遭遇。
And it was kind of frustrating to me, because I felt like, why is he doing this?
这让我有点沮丧，因为我觉得，他为什么要这样做？
I couldn't understand why he would do this.
我无法理解他为什么要这样做。
It wasn't just that he had seen my letter and kind of went with it.
这不仅仅是因为他看到了我的信并且同意了。
It was like, he then took the letter to a whole new level of deception.
就好像，他把这封信的欺骗程度提升到了一个全新的水平。
First he said, when I met him at the bar, the first thing he said to me was, oh, I recognized you immediately.
首先他说，当我在酒吧遇见他时，他对我说的第一句话是，哦，我立刻就认出了你。
You look exactly the same as you did in the airport.
你看起来和在机场时一模一样。
Then, when we were talking, he'd just pepper the conversation with all these little lies, like he said that when we were in the airport he remembered that I was confused about what I wanted to do with my life.
然后，当我们谈话时，他只是用这些小谎言来点缀谈话，就像他说当我们在机场时，他记得我对自己想做什么感到困惑。
There were a bunch of little things.
有很多小事。
Oh, he said he remembered that I had grown up in Los Angeles, and he remembered where I had gone to college.
哦，他说他记得我是在洛杉矶长大的，他记得我在哪里上的大学。
And these were all things that he could have found out other ways.
而这些，都是他可以通过其他方式找到的。
Like, just googling your name on the internet.
就像，只需在互联网上搜索您的名字即可。
Yeah.
是的。
So he says to me-- you know, the bar closes-- and he says, do you want to come up and continue talking?
所以他对我说——你知道，酒吧关门了——然后他说，你想上来继续说话吗？
And I wanted to leave really badly at that point, but because I'd been there for so many hours, I thought, I cannot leave and not get to the bottom of this story.
那时我真的很想离开，但因为我已经在那里待了很多个小时，我想，我不能离开而不了解这个故事的真相。
And I feel so guilty at this point that I really feel like I have to come clean.
此时我感到非常内疚，我真的觉得我必须坦白。
So I go upstairs and I say to him, you know, I have to tell you, I really don't think that you're the guy from the airport.
所以我上楼对他说，你知道，我必须告诉你，我真的不认为你是机场的那个人。
It's been really nice meeting you, but you're not the guy.
很高兴认识你，但你不是那个人。
And he says, no, no, no, I am.
他说，不，不，不，我是。
And he's very insistent about it.
他对此非常坚持。
And it's sort of like, once he had his own position, he didn't want to change his position.
这有点像，一旦他有了自己的立场，他就不想改变自己的立场。
Right, it's embarrassing to say, no, no, no, I was just lying there.
是啊，不好意思说，不不不，我只是躺在那里。
It's embarrassing.
真尴尬。
Well, it's really embarrassing, especially if you've been so adamant about your position, which he had been.
嗯，这真的很尴尬，尤其是如果你对自己的立场如此坚定，就像他一样。
So I say to him, you know, actually it really wasn't you, because I made the whole thing up.
所以我对他说，你知道，实际上这真的不是你，因为整件事都是我编造的。
And he is stunned into silence.
他震惊地陷入了沉默。
And I think, oh, god, he thinks I'm a freak.
我想，天哪，他认为我是个怪胎。
And I'm sitting there thinking, I just want to crawl into a hole right now.
我坐在那里想，我现在只想爬进洞里。
I should never have told him the truth.
我不应该告诉他真相。
And then he just looks at me very calmly and says, no you didn't.
然后他只是非常平静地看着我说，不，你没有。
I remember this.
我记得这个。
And I look at him like, what is he doing?
我看着他，他在做什么？
I can't imagine what he's doing.
我无法想象他在做什么。
Why is he doing that?
他为什么要这么做？
Is he trying to save face for me?
他是想给我留面子吗？
And he wasn't sort of excited about it.
他对此并不感到兴奋。
He was cool as a cucumber.
他冷静得像根黄瓜。
He was like, no, it happened, I remember.
他说，不，这件事发生了，我记得。
And it was like it made me seem crazy.
就好像这让我看起来很疯狂。
Like all of a sudden, it's like-- you know how you appear crazier when you're trying to prove to somebody that you're not crazy?
突然之间，就像——你知道当你试图向别人证明你没有疯时，你会显得多么疯狂吗？
Yes.
是的。
Lori Gottlieb And basically, I said, look, I gotta go.
Lori Gottlieb 基本上，我说，听着，我得走了。
And oddly, then he said at the door, he's like, can I kiss you?
奇怪的是，然后他在门口说，他说，我可以吻你吗？
And I just gave him my cheek.
我只是把脸颊给了他。
And then he gave me his card.
然后他给了我他的名片。
And I left.
然后我就离开了。
But there were only two possibilities.
但只有两种可能。
Either he actually believes that he met you, or he knows he didn't.
要么他真的相信他遇见了你，要么他知道他没有遇见你。
Right?
正确的？
Right, but let's say that he believed that he met me.
是的，但假设他相信他遇见了我。
Reverse the situation.
扭转局势。
If somebody said to me, you know, I think I met you in the airport, and I believe them.
如果有人对我说，你知道，我想我在机场遇见了你，我相信他们。
And then they said, I made it all up.
然后他们说，这都是我编的。
I would believe them.
我会相信他们。
I would say, oh, huh.
我会说，哦，呵呵。
You know, I thought that actually you were telling the truth, but if you say you made it up, you must have made it up.
你知道，我以为你说的是实话，但如果你说你编造的话，那你一定是编造的。
What would be my motive for telling him I made the whole thing up?
我告诉他整件事都是我编造的，动机是什么？
Yeah.
是的。
I find that very convincing, actually.
事实上，我觉得这非常有说服力。
I wasn't actually sure what I thought up until you said that, but, actually, now I actually believe that he completely knew that he was lying.
在你这么说之前，我实际上不确定我的想法，但实际上，现在我真的相信他完全知道自己在撒谎。
I actually believe there's no chance that he actually thought he met you.
我实际上相信他不可能真的认为他遇见了你。
There's no reason for him not to believe me, except for the fact that I've already established myself as a liar because I'm telling him I lied and sent you this note that was a complete lie.
他没有理由不相信我，除了我已经证明自己是个骗子这一事实，因为我告诉他我撒了谎，给你寄了这张完全是谎言的便条。
I love how this started off as this innocent little romantic lie.
我喜欢这个天真浪漫的小谎言。
And then, before it's done, you yourself are caught up in this whole world of where you can't even figure out how to convince him.
然后，在事情完成之前，你自己就陷入了这个世界，你甚至不知道如何说服他。
And you can't figure out why he's saying what he's saying.
而且你无法弄清楚他为什么这么说。
Like, your mind so messed with by the end of this story.
就像，故事结束时你的思维已经混乱了。
Yeah.
是的。
I don't know what to make of it.
我不知道该怎么办。
I mean, years later I don't know what to make of it.
我的意思是，几年后我不知道该怎么办。
It's this thing that I sort of-- whatever went on in that room that night, it stayed with me for so many years because it was so confusing to me.
这就是我的感觉——无论那天晚上那个房间里发生了什么，它一直伴随着我很多年，因为它对我来说太令人困惑了。
Lori Gottlieb.
洛瑞·戈特利布。
Her new book, Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough is coming out in February.
她的新书《嫁给他：嫁给足够好的先生》将于二月出版。
Act Two, The Spy Who Loved Everyone.
第二幕，爱所有人的间谍。
We have this story of good intentions and where they lead from Jorge Just.
我们有一个关于豪尔赫·贾斯特（Jorge Just）良好意愿的故事以及他们的带领。
It's a Saturday in January, dead of winter, a crowded subway car, New York City.
这是一月的一个星期六，严冬，纽约市地铁车厢里拥挤不堪。
Stand clear of the closing doors, please.
请远离正在关闭的门。
At the Canal Street station, a guy walks onto the car.
在运河街车站，一个人走上车。
He's wearing a hat, gloves, scarf, and coat, but no pants.
他戴着帽子、手套、围巾和外套，但没有穿裤子。
At the next stop, Spring Street, someone else gets on with no pants.
在下一站，春天街，另一个人没穿裤子上车。
This continues for half a dozen stops.
这种情况持续了六站。
The car's filling up with pantless people who don't seem to know or even notice each other.
车里挤满了光着裤子的人，他们似乎不认识，甚至没有注意到对方。
Reactions vary.
反应各不相同。
Some riders avert their eyes.
一些骑手移开目光。
Some laugh out loud.
有些人笑出声来。
Some stare, turn away, stare again.
有些人盯着看，转过身去，再盯着看。
Finally, at 33rd Street, somebody new comes through the car.
最后，在第 33 街，车里来了一个新人。
It's a vendor.
这是一个供应商。
She's selling pants.
她是卖裤子的。
Big guys, tall guys.
大个子，高个子。
Short pants, medium pants.
短裤、中裤。
Anyone need pants?
有人需要裤子吗？
$1.
1 美元。
It won't shock you to know that this whole scene was staged.
如果你知道这整个场景都是上演的，你不会感到震惊。
The pantless people are part of a group called Improv Everywhere, led by a 26-year-old New Yorker named Charlie Todd.
这些不穿裤子的人是“Improv Everywhere”组织的成员，该组织的领导者是 26 岁的纽约人查理·托德 (Charlie Todd)。
He pulls stunts like this all over New York.
他在纽约到处表演这样的特技。
He calls them missions.
他称之为使命。
The people that carry them out are called agents.
执行这些任务的人称为代理人。
Here's how Charlie explains it.
查理是这样解释的。
It's always hard for me to describe it, because I always want to use the word "prank." But prank always has that negative connotation of, in order for there to be a prank, there has to be a victim.
我总是很难描述它，因为我总是想用“恶作剧”这个词。但恶作剧总是具有负面含义，为了恶作剧，必须有受害者。
Somebody who has been fooled and has been embarrassed or humiliated or had the best of.
被愚弄并感到尴尬或羞辱或得到最好的人。
And what we try to do is really the opposite.
而我们试图做的恰恰相反。
We try to make people happy.
我们努力让人们快乐。
For Charlie, happy means fun, and fun means making strange things happen in boring locations.
对于查理来说，快乐意味着有趣，而有趣意味着在无聊的地方发生奇怪的事情。
Take mission 27, The Moebius.
执行任务 27，莫比斯号。
The Moebius mission was a time loop in a Starbucks.
莫比斯任务是星巴克的时间循环。
It worked like this-- Charlie and six friends choreographed a five-minute sequence of events to repeat over and over again.
它是这样运作的——查理和六个朋友精心设计了一系列五分钟的事件，并一遍又一遍地重复。
They planned it at a Starbucks, and they performed it at another, the one across the street.
他们在一家星巴克计划好了，然后又在街对面的另一家星巴克进行了实施。
Each agent had their own action.
每个特工都有自己的行动。
Charlie and his girlfriend started off.
查理和他的女朋友出发了。
They walk in and get in line.
他们走进去并排队。
Charlie notices a pack of cigarettes in her purse and confronts her about her smoking.
查理注意到她的钱包里有一包香烟，并质问她抽烟的事。
She says, don't tell me what to do, and storms out of the Starbucks.
她说，别告诉我该怎么做，然后冲出了星巴克。
And I run out after her, yelling her name.
我追着她跑出去，喊着她的名字。
Katie, come back.
凯蒂，回来吧。
And then, four minutes later, we walk back into Starbucks, get in line again.
然后，四分钟后，我们走回星巴克，再次排队。
And so that's our loop.
这就是我们的循环。
Agent number three spills his water, stands up, gets napkins, comes back to clean up the mess, and repeats.
三号特工把水洒了，站起来，拿餐巾，回来收拾残局，然后重复。
That's his loop.
这就是他的循环。
Agent number four answers a phone call, walks through the window for better reception, then goes back to his chair.
四号特工接听电话，穿过窗户以获得更好的接收效果，然后回到椅子上。
Agent number five gets up to go to the bathroom, decides the line is too long, returns to his seat.
五号特工起身去洗手间，发现队伍太长，然后回到座位。
Agent number six simply sneezes at a precise moment.
六号特工只是在某个特定的时刻打了个喷嚏。
And the capper was my friend, Ken, would walk through the Starbucks with a boom box playing "Shiny Happy People" by R.E.M.
封顶者是我的朋友 Ken，他会拿着音箱在星巴克里散步，播放着 R.E.M. 的《Shiny Happy People》。
And he would walk in one door, go through the entire restaurant, walk out the other door.
他会走进一扇门，穿过整个餐厅，然后走出另一扇门。
We repeated that sequence 12 times in a row, for an hour total.
我们连续重复这个序列 12 次，总共一个小时。
Charlie says that for the first few repetitions, nobody noticed a thing.
查理说，在最初的几次重复中，没有人注意到任何事情。
It was the argument between Charlie and his girlfriend that finally caught people's attention.
查理和女友之间的争吵终于引起了人们的注意。
By, like, the third or fourth time that I had run out the Starbucks chasing after my girlfriend, people were starting to say, like, well, if I was him, I'd just break up with her.
就好像，当我第三次或第四次跑出星巴克追女朋友时，人们开始说，好吧，如果我是他，我就会和她分手。
But it wasn't that they thought that they were in a time loop.
但这并不是说他们认为自己处于时间循环之中。
It was that they thought that we really just kept getting into a fight.
他们认为我们真的只是一直在吵架。
And then by, like, the fifth and sixth time that we did it, people kind of started to get freaked out.
然后，就像我们第五次和第六次这样做时，人们开始感到害怕。
There was one woman in particular who we had on the hidden camera, who called her friend and said, you have to come down here.
我们在隐藏摄像机上拍到了一位女士，她打电话给她的朋友说，你必须来这里。
I'm at the Starbucks in Astor Place, and I don't know what's going on.
我在阿斯特广场的星巴克，我不知道发生了什么事。
I don't know if you've ever been in a Starbucks, but if you do go, you'll notice lots of people doing the same sort of thing over and over again.
我不知道你是否去过星巴克，但如果你去了，你会发现很多人一遍又一遍地做同样的事情。
Sip the coffee, read the paper, update the blog.
喝杯咖啡，读读报纸，更新博客。
Stare hard enough and everyone looks like they're in a time loop.
只要仔细观察，每个人看起来都像是处于时间循环中。
It took people almost an hour to find the line between staged scene and reality.
人们花了近一个小时才找到舞台场景与现实之间的界限。
By the end of it, by, like, the ninth and tenth time we're doing it, the whole Starbucks is talking to each other, participating in this thing.
到最后，就像我们第九次和第十次这样做时，整个星巴克都在互相交谈，参与这件事。
It's almost as if everybody in that Starbucks felt like they could predict the future.
就好像星巴克里的每个人都觉得他们可以预测未来。
And they started kind of like conducting it, like they would point at Chris and say, oh, and he's going to sneeze right now.
他们一开始有点像指挥，就像他们指着克里斯说，哦，他现在要打喷嚏了。
And here comes the boom box guy again.
音箱家伙又来了。
And oop, that means the couple's coming back, and there they are!
哎呀，这意味着这对夫妇回来了，他们就在那里！
And then, after the 12th time, we just left.
然后，第12次之后，我们就离开了。
In a way, this might be the most surprising part of the Moebius mission.
在某种程度上，这可能是莫比斯任务中最令人惊讶的部分。
After going to that much trouble just to provide a roomful of strangers with an unforgettable memory, the members of Improv Everywhere get up and they leave, and not just because you can't close the curtain on a coffee shop time loop.
为了给一屋子的陌生人留下难忘的记忆，费了这么大劲，Improv Everywhere 的成员起身离开，不仅仅是因为你无法关闭咖啡店时间循环的窗帘。
Charlie posts pictures and descriptions of the missions on his website, but that's as close as he gets to a standing ovation.
查理在他的网站上发布了任务的图片和描述，但这已经是他获得起立鼓掌的最接近的了。
He's got loftier goals, anyway.
不管怎样，他有更崇高的目标。
I want to live in a world where anything can happen.
我想生活在一个一切皆有可能发生的世界里。
I guess what I mean by that is-- I don't know.
我想我的意思是——我不知道。
I guess we shouldn't have to rely on television or movies to show us fantastic things and fantastic stories.
我想我们不应该依赖电视或电影来向我们展示奇妙的事物和奇妙的故事。
Let's attempt to bring some of that excitement to the real world, I guess.
我想，让我们尝试将一些兴奋带入现实世界。
Charlie's missions are cool, but it's his objective that's intriguing-- to create fun, inexplicable experiences for random strangers.
查理的任务很酷，但他的目标更有趣——为随机的陌生人创造有趣、莫名其妙的体验。
It's like giving people a small, unexpected gift, and in the process, making the world seem a bit more enchanted.
这就像给人们一份意想不到的小礼物，并在这个过程中让世界看起来更加迷人。
But as anyone who's read a children's book can attest, mess with the forces of enchantment, and things can go terribly, terribly wrong.
但任何读过儿童读物的人都可以证明，一旦扰乱了魔法的力量，事情就会变得非常非常错误。
That's what happened with a mission Charlie calls the Best Gig Ever.
这就是查理称之为“有史以来最好的演出”的任务中所发生的事情。
The Best Gig Ever, an idea.
有史以来最好的演出，一个想法。
My friend, Mark Lee, came up to me one night.
一天晚上，我的朋友马克·李来找我。
And he came up to me and said, let's find a rock band, a struggling rock band, and give them the greatest gig of their life.
他走到我面前说，让我们找一支摇滚乐队，一支苦苦挣扎的摇滚乐队，为他们提供一生中最伟大的演出。
So I researched on the internet for the next couple of weeks, trying to find the perfect gig, the perfect band who I knew was setting themselves up for just a horrible audience.
因此，接下来的几周我在互联网上进行了研究，试图找到完美的演出，完美的乐队，但我知道他们正在为一群可怕的观众做好准备。
And I found this band, Ghosts of Pasha, from Vermont.
我找到了来自佛蒙特州的“Ghosts of Pasha”乐队。
Never heard of them before.
以前从未听说过他们。
Nobody in New York had probably heard of them, apart from their friends, because it was their first tour ever.
除了他们的朋友之外，纽约可能没有人听说过他们，因为这是他们第一次巡演。
And they had just recorded some songs this summer, and they were going to tour in October.
他们今年夏天刚刚录制了一些歌曲，并计划在十月份进行巡演。
And they were playing a gig in New York on Friday night at 8 o'clock for a $5 cover.
周五晚上 8 点，他们在纽约举行了一场演出，票价为 5 美元。
Then they had a gig two nights later on Sunday night at the Mercury Lounge, for an $8 cover at 10:00 PM.
然后，两天后的周日晚上，他们在 Mercury Lounge 举办了一场演出，晚上 10:00 票价为 8 美元。
So I knew, even if they had friends in New York, those friends would come to the Friday night show, and they would not come back, no matter how good the show was.
所以我知道，即使他们在纽约有朋友，那些朋友也会来看周五晚上的演出，而且无论演出有多好，他们都不会回来。
They're not coming out at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night to support their friends again.
他们不会再在周日晚上 10 点出来支持他们的朋友了。
Charlie recruited 35 agents to act as hardcore Ghosts of Pasha fans.
查理招募了 35 名特工，充当《帕夏幽灵》的铁杆粉丝。
They downloaded the six songs on the band's website, and they memorized the lyrics.
他们在乐队的网站上下载了六首歌，并记住了歌词。
Some agents made T-shirts and temporary tattoos using the Ghosts of Pasha logo.
一些特工使用帕夏幽灵标志制作了 T 恤和临时纹身。
They timed their arrival, getting to the club as the next-to-last band was getting off the stage.
他们按时到达，在倒数第二支乐队走下舞台时到达俱乐部。
People entered separately or in pairs, didn't act like we knew each other.
人们单独或成对地进入，表现得不像我们彼此认识。
And by the time they were doing their sound check, all of us were in the room.
当他们进行声音检查时，我们所有人都在房间里。
Not only were they getting ready to perform, we were getting ready to perform, too.
不仅他们准备表演，我们也准备表演。
And everybody from the previous gig had left.
上一场演出的所有人都离开了。
They had three paying customers that night, not counting us.
那天晚上他们有三个付费顾客，不包括我们。
But instead, they had 38, the 35 of us and the three paying customers.
但相反，他们有 38 个人，我们 35 个人，还有 3 个付费顾客。
And once they got on stage and said, hello, Mercury Lounge, or whatever they said, we definitely exploded.
一旦他们上台说，你好，水星休息室，或者他们说的任何话，我们肯定爆炸了。
[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] Band Member We're Ghosts of Pasha.
[欢呼和掌声] 乐队成员我们是帕夏的幽灵。
[MUSIC PLAYING] Jorge Just You're listening to footage from a video camera that one of Charlie's friends snuck into the Mercury.
[音乐播放] Jorge Just 你正在听查理的一位朋友潜入水星号的摄像机的镜头。
The club was dark and the camera was hidden in a bag.
俱乐部里很黑，相机藏在包里。
At first, you can't make anything out, but then the camera goes into night vision mode, and it's all there in black and pale green and white.
起初，你看不到任何东西，但随后相机进入夜视模式，一切都是黑色、浅绿色和白色。
35 people isn't much of a crowd, but somehow they make it seem like the place is packed.
35 个人并不算多，但不知何故，他们让这个地方看起来很挤。
I sat and watched the video with Charlie, who pointed out his favorite moments, and showed me how the agents reacted to the music in their own particular ways.
我坐下来和查理一起观看视频，他指出了他最喜欢的时刻，并向我展示了特工们如何以自己独特的方式对音乐做出反应。
Some pushing to the front, others hanging back.
有的人冲在前面，有的人则在后面。
He points out another guy near the front of the stage, who's dancing spastically, flinging his arms, shaking to the music.
他指着舞台前面的另一个人，他正在痉挛地跳舞，挥舞着手臂，随着音乐而颤抖。
At a show, there is always that one guy who's dancing too much.
在一场演出中，总有一个人跳得太多。
And like, the guy we're looking at now, he's that guy.
就像我们现在看到的那个人，他就是那个人。
So it's appropriate.
所以这是合适的。
We're not all doing it, but he is.
我们不是都这么做，但他是。
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] Jorge Just Charlie spends most of the show taking pictures.
[欢呼和掌声] Jorge Just Charlie 演出的大部分时间都在拍照。
Each rock crowd has one of those kids, too.
每个摇滚人群中也有一个这样的孩子。
But at a certain moment, even he gets swept up in the excitement and starts acting more like he does when he's seeing his favorite band, The Cure.
但在某个时刻，即使是他也被兴奋所笼罩，并开始表现得更像他看到他最喜欢的乐队 The Cure 时的样子。
I will say that, at this moment right here, I am definitely into the show.
我想说，此时此刻，我绝对沉浸在这场演出中。
[MUSIC PLAYING] We were requesting songs.
[音乐播放] 我们正在请求歌曲。
We only knew the names of, like, six songs, because they only had six songs on their EP, which they had on their website.
我们只知道六首歌的名称，因为他们的 EP 中只有六首歌，而他们的网站上也有。
And I was screaming for, they have a song called, "What About the Shut-ins." It's like [SINGING] What about the shut-ins of the Second World War.
我尖叫着，他们有一首歌叫做“关门怎么样”。这就像[唱歌]第二次世界大战期间的封锁怎么样。
And I was screaming for "Shut-ins." I was just yelling, shut-ins!
我尖叫着要求“关门”。我只是大喊一声，关门！
Shut-ins!
关门！
And they played it.
他们就玩了。
I think, probably coincidentally, they were playing it next on the set.
我想，可能是巧合，他们接下来就在片场演奏了这首曲子。
And I just went crazy.
我简直要疯了。
When they started, when I heard the first notes, I was like, yeah!
当他们开始时，当我听到第一个音符时，我就想，是啊！
I got my request.
我收到了我的请求。
Where's the difference in really, really being into a band and pretending to be really into a band?
真正、真正喜欢一支乐队和假装真正喜欢一支乐队有什么区别？
Yeah, there's not much difference.
是的，没有太大区别。
For that night, it felt just like I was at a Cure show, singing along to "Just Like Heaven." You know, I was at Ghosts of Pasha, singing along to "What About the Shut-ins." It was, whatever.
那天晚上，我感觉就像在一场 Cure 表演中，跟着唱“Just Like Heaven”。你知道，我在《帕夏的幽灵》里，跟着唱《关门又怎样》。无论如何。
It was the same thing, basically.
基本上，这是同一件事。
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] Audience Pasha, Pasha, Pasha, Pasha.
[欢呼和掌声] 观众帕夏，帕夏，帕夏，帕夏。
Thanks a lot.
多谢。
Audience, audience, audience, audience.
观众，观众，观众，观众。
[CHEERING] Jorge Just The band gets offstage, and Charlie and company leave the bar to go celebrate another mission accomplished.
[欢呼] Jorge Just 乐队走下舞台，查理和他的同伴离开酒吧去庆祝另一项任务的完成。
A couple of days later, he puts up pictures and reports of the evening on his website.
几天后，他在自己的网站上发布了当晚的照片和报道。
Charlie figured the band would find his page in a month or two.
查理估计乐队会在一两个月内找到他的页面。
It's basically inevitable once he's posted everything online.
一旦他将所有内容发布到网上，这基本上是不可避免的。
What he wasn't sure of is how they would react.
他不确定他们会如何反应。
When I would tell people this idea, like, as I was preparing for this event, one of the main responses I got was people saying, like, that is so cruel.
当我告诉人们这个想法时，就像我正在为这次活动做准备一样，我得到的主要反应之一是人们说，这太残酷了。
What's going to happen when this band does their next gig in your city and nobody shows up?
当这支乐队在你的城市进行下一场演出而没有人出现时，会发生什么？
That is the cruelest thing I've ever heard.
这是我听过的最残酷的事情。
And I really don't buy into that logic.
我真的不相信这种逻辑。
I mean, it's kind of an interesting thing to think about.
我的意思是，这是一件值得思考的有趣的事情。
Like, is it cruel to give somebody the best day of their life just because they'll never have another day like that again?
比如，仅仅因为某人再也不会拥有这样的一天，就给他们生命中最美好的一天，这是否残忍？
And I don't think so.
我不这么认为。
I mean, it's kind of like you have a wonderful dream and you wake up.
我的意思是，这有点像你做了一个美妙的梦，然后你就醒了。
Do you wish you just have bad dreams every night?
您希望每天晚上都做噩梦吗？
Or is it-- you know.
或者是——你知道。
And I think it's great to have wonderful dreams.
我认为拥有美好的梦想真是太好了。
And yeah, it kind of sucks for a second, but you'll always have that moment.
是的，虽然有一瞬间有点糟糕，但你总会有这样的时刻。
Pasha, Pasha, Pasha, Pasha, Pasha, Pasha, Pasha.
帕夏，帕夏，帕夏，帕夏，帕夏，帕夏，帕夏。
We got punked.
我们被朋克了。
That show at the Mercury Lounge was a fake.
水星休息室的那场演出是假的。
And it just seemed like a blow.
这看起来像是一个打击。
Like, it was like a blow to my heart.
就像，这对我的心来说是一个打击。
This is Chris Partyka, the guitarist of Ghosts of Pasha.
我是 Chris Partyka，Ghosts of Pasha 的吉他手。
It turns out that finding Charlie's website was a bit worse than waking from a dream.
事实证明，找到查理的网站比从梦中醒来还要糟糕一些。
And it happened faster than Charlie expected.
而且事情发生得比查理预想的要快。
Lead singer Milo Finch found out only three days after the show.
主唱米洛·芬奇在演出三天后就发现了这一消息。
His discovery was a disturbing capper to an already long and bizarre few days.
他的发现给已经漫长而奇怪的几天带来了令人不安的结束。
To understand how weird this was for the band, you need to hear the story from their perspective.
要了解这对乐队来说有多么奇怪，你需要从他们的角度来听听这个故事。
They hadn't even wanted to play the Mercury show in the first place.
他们一开始甚至不想参加水星秀。
They were exhausted.
他们已经筋疲力尽了。
They'd just driven from Vermont to Boston for a show Thursday, and to New York for a show on Friday.
他们星期四刚从佛蒙特州开车去波士顿参加一场演出，周五又开车去纽约参加一场演出。
Ezra, the drummer, and Brad, the bassist, had then driven the six hours back to Vermont on Saturday, then turned around and returned Sunday.
周六，鼓手埃兹拉和贝斯手布拉德开车六个小时回到佛蒙特州，然后周日返回。
Milo stayed in New York, but he'd been up all night partying.
米洛留在纽约，但他彻夜不眠地参加派对。
I remember being on the street before the Mercury Lounge show, completely exhausted, just sitting on the street waiting to play.
我记得在 Mercury Lounge 演出之前，我在街上，筋疲力尽，只是坐在街上等待演出。
We didn't want to do it.
我们不想这样做。
I remember just sitting there, and it was pretty dead.
我记得我只是坐在那里，它已经死了。
We thought it was just going to be dead.
我们以为它快要死了。
And we were like, cool.
我们觉得，很酷。
It'd be dead.
它就死了。
We could just go up there and play and just get out of there.
我们可以去那里玩，然后离开那里。
Get it over with.
快点结束吧。
Jorge Just It turns out that the band Charlie picked wasn't just obscure, it was practically brand-new.
Jorge Just 事实证明，查理选择的乐队不仅是默默无闻，而且几乎是全新的。
They'd only been together a couple of months.
他们才在一起几个月。
This was their fourth show ever, the third on their tour.
这是他们有史以来的第四场演出，也是巡演中的第三场。
It was really weird, because we knew this was our third show.
这真的很奇怪，因为我们知道这是我们的第三场演出。
I remember turning to the drummer, to Ezra, and being like, what's going on?
我记得转向鼓手、以斯拉，然后问，发生了什么事？
Like, in the middle of a song, like, a drum break.
就像在歌曲中间，就像鼓声响起。
[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] Jorge Just What started weird soon got weirder.
[欢呼和掌声] Jorge 只是 开始很奇怪的事情很快就变得更奇怪了。
Keep in mind, they hadn't put out an album.
请记住，他们还没有发行专辑。
Nobody anywhere had ever heard of them.
任何地方都没有人听说过他们。
But somehow, a crowd of New Yorkers knew their lyrics.
但不知何故，一群纽约人知道他们的歌词。
The first song we noticed it was in "New York, New York," one of our songs.
我们注意到的第一首歌是在我们的歌曲《纽约，纽约》中。
And right off the bat, as the chorus, and they came right in with it.
马上，就像合唱团一样，他们也跟着进来了。
I think they came in with it on better timing than I did.
我认为他们比我来得更及时。
They came in right in.
他们进来了。
And they nailed it.
他们成功了。
Honestly, it was really odd.
老实说，这真的很奇怪。
I mean, there was moments where guys were ripping off their shirts and swinging them over their heads in, like, helicopter fashion.
我的意思是，有些时候，人们会像直升飞机一样脱下衬衫并在头顶上晃来晃去。
There were girls that were pointing at the stage and interacting with me as we were pointing back.
当我们向后指时，有一些女孩指着舞台并与我互动。
It was just like bedlam.
简直就像一片混乱。
[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] The exclamation point on the whole evening for me was how creepy it was when the guy jumped up on stage with no shirt.
[欢呼和掌声]整个晚上对我来说的感叹号是当那个家伙赤身裸体跳上舞台时，这是多么令人毛骨悚然。
And I just remember him being up front the whole time, punching the air and spinning in circles, and he was all sweaty.
我只记得他一直在前面，挥拳打着空气，转着圈，浑身都是汗。
And he jumped up on stage at the end of the last song and hugged me.
最后一首歌结束时他跳上舞台拥抱了我。
He's all sweaty and clammy, and he's like, thank you.
他满头大汗，浑身湿冷，他说，谢谢你。
Like, he just kept saying thank you in my ear.
就像，他只是一直在我耳边说谢谢。
And I was just like, all right, thank you.
我当时就想，好吧，谢谢。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Agent V.
特工V。
Milo Finch Yeah, Agent V.
米洛·芬奇 是的，特工 V。
He seemed like he wasn't really acting, just getting it out.
他看起来并不是真的在演戏，只是把事情说出来。
The band got into it, too.
乐队也加入其中。
Milo's favorite moment came at the end of the set.
米洛最喜欢的时刻是在比赛结束时。
During the solo on "Power Bitch." I had kind of just laid on the stage.
在“Power Bitch”独奏期间。我刚刚躺在舞台上。
The crowd rushed the stage was grabbing my hands like this, because I was right on the lip of the stage.
冲上舞台的人群就这样抓住我的手，因为我就在舞台边缘。
And I put the microphone out into the audience, and they were screaming, grabbing at my hand and touching the microphone.
我把麦克风放在观众席上，他们尖叫着，抓住我的手，触摸麦克风。
And I made sure I slapped every hand that came up, just so no one felt like they didn't get it.
我确保我拍了每一只举起的手，这样就没有人觉得他们没有明白。
And however the act was going on, or whatever they were pulling, or whatever they were doing, I felt that, at that point in the show, we answered it back with something real.
不管表演是如何进行的，或者无论他们在做什么，或者无论他们在做什么，我觉得，在节目的那个时刻，我们用一些真实的东西来回应它。
And everybody was, at that point, everybody in the room was on the same page.
那时，房间里的每个人都达成了共识。
One more song, one more song, one more song, one more song.
再来一首，再来一首，再来一首，再来一首。
The show was exhausting.
演出让人筋疲力尽。
They'd played the tour's first ever encore, and left all the energy they had onstage.
他们演奏了巡演的第一场安可曲，并将所有的精力都留在了舞台上。
Like Milo said, when a crowd screams at you like you're the Beatles, you act like you're the Beatles.
就像米洛说的，当一群人像披头士乐队一样对你尖叫时，你表现得就像披头士乐队一样。
Only this crowd stopped screaming the moment the last minutes were played.
只有这群人在最后几分钟比赛结束时停止了尖叫。
Chris remembers unplugging his amp, looking up, and being shocked that the place was empty.
克里斯记得拔掉扩音器的插头，抬起头，惊讶地发现这个地方是空的。
Ghosts of Pasha were suddenly alone.
帕夏的鬼魂突然变得孤单。
I remember we were all standing out on the street, smoking our cigarette after the show, and totally confused.
我记得演出结束后我们都站在街上抽烟，完全感到困惑。
Kind of speechless for a little bit.
有点无语了。
I think Brad broke the silence.
我认为布拉德打破了沉默。
He's always good for breaking the silence.
他总是善于打破沉默。
He was like, what the [BLEEP] just happened?
他当时想，刚刚发生了什么[BLEEP]？
What the hell was that, I think was the-- what the hell was that?
那到底是什么，我想——那到底是什么？
As he was lighting his cigarette.
当他点燃香烟时。
It was just creepy.
真是令人毛骨悚然。
We just had nothing in our heads, so we just decided to fill it with, well, OK, we're really excited and we're in a really good mood, so this is great.
我们脑子里什么都没有，所以我们决定用，好吧，我们真的很兴奋，我们心情很好，所以这很棒。
Finally, 35 people from New York City randomly came to our show and knew our words and stuff, and that's a good feeling.
最后，来自纽约市的 35 个人随机来到我们的节目并了解我们的话语和内容，这是一种很好的感觉。
You know what it was?
你知道那是什么吗？
I think some of the talking was, we were addicted to it.
我认为有些说法是，我们对此上瘾了。
We were like, that felt really cool.
我们当时想，这感觉真的很酷。
Like, let's play like that all the time.
就像，让我们一直这样玩吧。
Let's get shows like that all the time.
让我们一直看到这样的节目吧。
That warm feeling lasted exactly three days, until somebody emailed them a link to Charlie's site.
这种温暖的感觉持续了整整三天，直到有人通过电子邮件向他们发送了查理网站的链接。
The band met up at the local computer lab and read it together.
乐队在当地的计算机实验室见面并一起阅读。
The next 48 hours were the worst.
接下来的48小时是最糟糕的。
Email poured in mocking Ghosts of Pasha.
电子邮件纷纷涌来，嘲笑帕夏的幽灵。
Their website's bulletin board was flooded with people making fun of them.
他们网站的公告牌上挤满了取笑他们的人。
It got so bad they had to shut it down.
情况变得如此糟糕，他们不得不将其关闭。
The band felt like the butt of a big joke.
乐队感觉就像是一个大笑话的笑柄。
They struggled to take it all in stride, but, inevitably, one member would get mad and the others would have to talk him down.
他们很难从容应对这一切，但不可避免的是，其中一名成员会生气，而其他人则不得不劝说他冷静下来。
A couple of hours later, they'd be on the phone with each other again, making each other angry, calming each other down.
几个小时后，他们又会通电话，让对方生气，又让对方平静下来。
The guitarist, Chris Partyka, was most affected.
吉他手克里斯·帕蒂卡 (Chris Partyka) 受到的影响最大。
He got teased a lot as a kid, which is why he started playing music in the first place.
他小时候经常被嘲笑，这就是他开始演奏音乐的原因。
It was something he could do by himself in his room, where nobody could make fun of him.
这是他一个人可以在自己的房间里做的事情，没有人可以取笑他。
News of the prank hit Chris pretty hard.
恶作剧的消息对克里斯打击很大。
It's the worst thing I could possibly think of ever happening to me in my life, because I'd been avoiding confrontation my whole life so I wouldn't get made fun of.
这是我一生中能想到的最糟糕的事情，因为我一生都在避免对抗，这样我就不会被嘲笑。
And the moment I decide that I want to try and be real and do what I really want to do, all of a sudden it's reacted in the same way as it was when I was in kindergarten.
当我决定尝试做真实的事情并做我真正想做的事情时，突然它的反应就像我在幼儿园时一样。
And it's just like, what is the difference?
就像，有什么区别？
I'm 30 years old now and I'm still getting made fun of by people.
我现在已经30岁了，但我仍然被人们取笑。
Knowing all this, it's surprising how Chris feels about it now, six months after it happened.
了解这一切后，在事情发生六个月后，克里斯现在对此的感受令人惊讶。
It was a gift.
这是一份礼物。
It was the gift of, like, yeah, everything's OK.
这是一份礼物，就像，是的，一切都好。
At this point, I don't really feel like anything can hurt me, because I've dealt with what I've never thought that I could deal with before.
在这一点上，我真的不觉得有什么可以伤害我，因为我已经处理了我以前从未想过可以处理的事情。
It was like psychotherapy for my childhood.
这就像我童年时期的心理治疗。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Like, everybody in the world, look at Chris, and everyone's like, duh, look at him, duh.
就像，世界上每个人，看着克里斯，每个人都会说，呃，看着他，呃。
And then, what am I supposed to do with that but be like, hey, how you doing?
然后，我该怎么办，除了说，嘿，你好吗？
I'm Chris.
我是克里斯。
I play the guitar, and I like it.
我弹吉他，我喜欢它。
After mulling it over for a few days, the band decided what to do.
经过几天的考虑，乐队决定采取什么行动。
They wrote into Charlie's website with their enthusiastic reports of the evening.
他们在查理的网站上发表了对当晚的热情报道。
Brad, the bassist, was terse.
贝斯手布拉德很简洁。
Chris, the guitarist, was thoughtful.
吉他手克里斯很周到。
And Milo, the lead singer, was the lead singer.
而主唱米洛则是主唱。
Here's Charlie.
这是查理。
The lead singer was really enthusiastic and upbeat about the whole thing.
主唱对整件事非常热情和乐观。
I mean, you could tell that he definitely had like, if not an ego, definitely had a lot of pride in the band, and made that clear, too.
我的意思是，你可以看出他肯定对乐队有很多自豪感，即使不是自负，而且也明确地表达了这一点。
He had one line in his report that said, like, no matter what happened, we rocked the house that night, and you knew it.
他的报告中有一句话说，无论发生什么，那天晚上我们震动了整个房子，你知道这一点。
There were elements of like, we realize that it was a prank, but just so you know, we did rock it.
有一些元素，比如，我们意识到这是一个恶作剧，但正如你所知，我们确实摇滚了它。
Which, I agree with him.
我同意他的观点。
They did, they rocked it.
他们做到了，他们震撼了它。
They rocked the show and snatched the opportunity.
他们震撼了演出并抓住了机会。
Bands need publicity, and Ghosts of Pasha knew a happy story sells better than a sad one.
乐队需要宣传，《帕夏之魂》知道快乐的故事比悲伤的故事卖得更好。
And they were right.
他们是对的。
The band was interviewed in Spin Magazine.
该乐队接受了 Spin 杂志的采访。
An A&R guy gave them a call.
一位 A&R 人员给他们打了电话。
In other words, Ghosts of Pasha played along.
换句话说，帕夏的幽灵也配合了。
They took Charlie's story about what happened that night and made it their own.
他们把查理关于那天晚上发生的事情的故事变成了自己的故事。
But not everybody's ready to make themselves at home in Charlie's world.
但并不是每个人都准备好融入查理的世界。
Some people prefer their life just the way it is.
有些人更喜欢他们现在的生活。
All right, my name's Christopher Rawson.
好吧，我叫克里斯托弗·罗森。
I am a fine arts student.
我是一名美术学生。
I'm going to New York University.
我要去纽约大学。
And they basically threw me a fake birthday party.
他们基本上给我举办了一个假生日派对。
The idea was to throw a birthday party for a stranger, go up to someone in a bar, at random, and act like it was his birthday.
这个想法是为一个陌生人举办一个生日聚会，随机走到酒吧里的某个人面前，表现得好像这是他的生日。
Charlie gathered about 30 Improv Everywhere agents, and headed to a bar called Dempsy's to pick the evening star.
Charlie 召集了大约 30 名 Improv Everywhere 特工，前往一家名为 Dempsy's 的酒吧挑选当晚的明星。
He decided on Chris, who was sitting with a friend and a full pitcher of beer.
他选择了克里斯，当时克里斯正和一个朋友坐在一起，手里还拿着满满一壶啤酒。
They looked like they were settling in for the night.
他们看起来像是要安顿下来过夜。
Charlie called the other agents and described Chris, and then he walked over and started the party.
查理打电话给其他特工并描述了克里斯，然后他走过去开始了聚会。
And I said, hey, Ted, how's it going?
我说，嘿，特德，怎么样？
Sorry we're a little early for your birthday party.
抱歉，您的生日聚会来得太早了。
But thank you for inviting us.
但谢谢你邀请我们。
They came up to me, and they were like, you know, just really addressed me as this other person, as Ted, and were just like, hey, what's up buddy?
他们走到我面前，说，你知道，只是称呼我为另一个人，泰德，然后说，嘿，怎么了，伙计？
Happy birthday.
生日快乐。
And he looks at me.
他看着我。
And at first, he thinks it's just a case of misunderstanding.
起初，他认为这只是一场误会。
He's like, oh, I'm sorry, you've got the wrong guy.
他就像，哦，对不起，你找错人了。
I'm not Ted.
我不是特德。
And I just laughed, and said, that's really funny, Ted.
我只是笑了，说，这真的很有趣，特德。
You did invite us to your birthday party, We got the evite.
你确实邀请我们参加你的生日聚会，我们得到了邀请。
A few minutes later, more people started coming in and everybody was wishing me happy birthday and calling me by Ted.
几分钟后，更多的人开始进来，每个人都祝我生日快乐，并通过特德给我打电话。
And everybody seemed to have this memory or this experience that they had with me in the past, which obviously was completely foreign to me.
每个人似乎都有过去和我一起度过的这段记忆或这段经历，这显然对我来说是完全陌生的。
I had sent out an email to everybody involved with some specifics about this guy, Ted Hine, and said that he was 25 years old, that he went to the UNC-Chapel Hill, that he worked at Oppenheimer Funds, that his favorite band was Dave Matthews.
我给每个人发了一封电子邮件，详细介绍了泰德·海因这个人，并说他今年 25 岁，就读于北卡罗来纳大学教堂山分校，在奥本海默基金工作，他最喜欢的乐队是戴夫·马修斯。
Like, we came up with all these specifics about him.
就像，我们想出了关于他的所有这些细节。
And I told everybody, like, pick out what your relationship is to Ted, figure out what your story is and stick to it.
我告诉每个人，比如，找出你和特德的关系，弄清楚你的故事是什么，然后坚持下去。
People were giving me hugs and being like, oh, I haven't seen you in so long.
人们拥抱我，说，哦，我已经很久没见到你了。
What have you been up to?
你最近都在做什么？
And they had all kind of brought in little gift cards, and on all of them they said, remember spring break, things relating to school.
他们带来了各种各样的小礼品卡，上面写着，记住春假，和学校有关的事情。
A few of the people thought I worked for some sort of bank or something.
有些人以为我在某种银行或其他什么地方工作。
And he got really freaked out, which I didn't necessarily anticipate.
他真的吓坏了，这是我没有预料到的。
But looking back on it, I guess I probably should have anticipated that that would freak somebody out.
但回想起来，我想我可能应该预料到这会吓坏某人。
I was definitely freaked out and suspicious.
我确实感到害怕和怀疑。
I mean, it seemed very confrontational and very grotesque even, I would say.
我的意思是，我想说，这看起来非常具有对抗性，甚至非常怪诞。
So yeah, it was kind of like a really bad dream.
是的，这有点像一个非常糟糕的梦。
Chris, it turns out, wasn't the brash 25-year-old East Villager that Charlie thought he'd chosen.
事实证明，克里斯并不是查理以为自己选择的那个傲慢的 25 岁东村民。
He was actually a college student, a very young one, who had recently transferred to NYU.
他实际上是一名大学生，非常年轻，最近刚转学到纽约大学。
If Charlie's the kind of guy who goes out in the world and makes things happen, then Chris is the kind who stays closer to home.
如果说查理是那种走出去，让事情发生的人，那么克里斯就是那种离家更近的人。
He's thoughtful and sensitive and shy.
他体贴、敏感、害羞。
Chris likes to have things in a certain, understandable order, and Charlie wasn't part of it.
克里斯喜欢把事情按一定的、可以理解的顺序排列，而查理不参与其中。
There was no sense that it was kind of a charade.
没有任何感觉这是一种猜谜游戏。
I mean, it all felt very natural.
我的意思是，这一切都感觉很自然。
It felt really close to reality, but yet it was so strange and different that it couldn't be.
感觉非常接近现实，但又如此奇怪和不同，以至于不可能。
So there was definitely the worry, too, on my part, I guess, that I was going insane maybe, because it made no sense.
所以，我想，我也确实担心我可能会发疯，因为这毫无意义。
So I kind of felt like I was losing my mind in that sense, like, the ability to rationalize what was happening, because I really couldn't.
所以我觉得我在这个意义上失去了理智，比如，无法合理化正在发生的事情，因为我真的做不到。
He showed them his driver's license, but they laughed it off.
他向他们展示了他的驾驶执照，但他们一笑置之。
And Chris couldn't shake the feeling that a guy named Ted, the real Ted, could show up at any moment to find Chris drinking Ted's free drinks, and even worse, blowing out Ted's candles and eating Ted's cake.
克里斯无法摆脱这样的感觉：一个叫特德的人，真正的特德，随时可能出现，发现克里斯正在喝特德的免费饮料，甚至更糟糕的是，吹灭特德的蜡烛，吃特德的蛋糕。
But every time he tried to leave, a fake friend would stop him, beg him to stay, buy him a drink.
但每次他试图离开时，一个假朋友都会阻止他，求他留下来，请他喝一杯。
And eventually, he just became Ted.
最终，他变成了特德。
It was pretty much my only option.
这几乎是我唯一的选择。
I think that was the moment of the shift, was kind of realizing that I was like, OK, well, if they all think I'm Ted, then what the hell.
我想那是转变的时刻，我意识到我想，好吧，好吧，如果他们都认为我是泰德，那又怎么样。
He starts answering to Ted.
他开始回复特德。
He starts introducing himself as Ted to kind of the late comers.
他开始向后来的人介绍自己，叫泰德。
In the end, he was not only just agreeing that he was Ted, like, he was corroborating all of our stories.
最后，他不仅承认自己是泰德，而且还证实了我们所有的故事。
People were like, oh, remember this?
人们就像，哦，还记得这个吗？
And I was like, oh, yeah, that was great.
我当时想，哦，是的，那太棒了。
What a great time.
多么美好的时光啊。
And just kind of played along with it.
并且只是跟着一起玩。
I think I just kind of decided that maybe I could, by assuming that identity, have some control or some say in the situation.
我想我只是决定，也许我可以通过假设这个身份，在这种情况下拥有一些控制权或发言权。
It was disappointing at first.
起初很令人失望。
I see this guy get freaked out, and I was like, oh, no. Like, my whole idea is to make this guy's night.
我看到这家伙吓坏了，我当时想，哦，不。就像，我的整个想法就是让这个人度过一个愉快的夜晚。
To watch that transformation, to the guy playing pool, doing shots, and getting phone numbers, was really a blast to watch.
看到这个转变，对于那个打台球、打球、获取电话号码的人来说，真是令人赏心悦目。
And I can't decide, in the end, whether I picked the perfect guy or whether I picked the worst guy.
最终我无法决定我是选择了最完美的人还是选择了最差的人。
There may have been a worse Ted somewhere in the world, but probably not in that bar.
世界上某个地方可能有更糟糕的特德，但可能不在那个酒吧。
Sure, he'd had fun, even let them convince him to take the gift cards home.
当然，他玩得很开心，甚至让他们说服他把礼品卡带回家。
Chris rose to the challenge and became Ted.
克里斯迎接挑战并成为泰德。
But by the next morning, he was Chris again, only he was Chris with another man's gift cards, which there was no way he was going to spend.
但到了第二天早上，他又变成了克里斯，只不过他是带着另一个男人的礼品卡的克里斯，而他根本不会花掉这些礼品卡。
I don't know, it became kind of this weird collection of sacred objects almost.
我不知道，它几乎变成了一种奇怪的神圣物品收藏。
For a year, I kind of saw them as this other, these empowered things.
一年来，我有点将它们视为另一种、这些赋予力量的东西。
It's sort of like in the sci-fi movie when you-- you know, you come back from being back in time, and you reach in your pocket and you still have the [INAUDIBLE].
这有点像在科幻电影中，当你从过去回来时，你把手伸进口袋，里面仍然有[听不清]。
Right, exactly.
对，完全正确。
Or when Tom Cruise wakes up in Eyes Wide Shut in the mask from the night before.
或者当汤姆·克鲁斯在《大开眼界》中带着前一天晚上的面具醒来时。
It was on his pillow.
它在他的枕头上。
As much as I wanted to forget it, I woke up and those gift cards were there.
尽管我很想忘记这件事，但我醒来时发现那些礼品卡就在那里。
It was like, oh, I guess that did happen.
就像，哦，我想那确实发生了。
Chris' response over time was different from Ghosts of Pasha's.
随着时间的推移，克里斯的反应与帕夏幽灵的反应不同。
They came to appreciate the idea in their own way, but it just left Chris feeling vulnerable and a little paranoid.
他们开始以自己的方式欣赏这个想法，但这只是让克里斯感到脆弱和有点偏执。
He hated the thought that all those strangers at the bar could just pop up again at any moment.
他讨厌酒吧里那些陌生人随时可能再次出现的想法。
One day, he was sitting on a bench in Union Square when a guy walked up to him and said, hey, Ted.
有一天，他坐在联合广场的长凳上，这时一个人走到他面前对他说，嘿，特德。
He waved him off, but it was freaky.
他挥手让他走开，但这很奇怪。
It didn't help that his memory of the whole thing was a little hazy.
更糟糕的是，他对整件事的记忆有些模糊。
For example, he didn't remember giving his phone number out to anyone that night.
例如，他不记得那天晚上把他的电话号码给了任何人。
So you can imagine how he felt when Charlie called him a year later.
所以你可以想象一年后当查理打电话给他时他的感受。
And I said, hey, Ted.
我说，嘿，特德。
It's Charlie.
是查理。
How's it going?
怎么样了？
Your birthday's coming up in a few weeks.
几周后你的生日就到了。
We want to know when you want to celebrate it.
我们想知道您什么时候想庆祝它。
We want to throw you another party.
我们想为您举办另一场派对。
Wanted to know what you wanted.
想知道你想要什么。
Like, last year, we got you those Best Buy gift certificates.
就像去年，我们为您提供了百思买礼券。
Do you want that again or is there a different store?
您还想要这个吗？还是有其他商店？
Give me a call back.
给我回电话。
And I gave my number.
我给了我的电话号码。
I didn't hear from him.
我没有收到他的消息。
And as it turns out, a friend of mine knows someone who's a bartender at Dempsy's, where we did Ted's birthday.
事实证明，我的一个朋友认识一个在登普西酒吧当调酒师的人，我们在那里给特德过生日。
And Ted is still a regular at that bar, I assume, and he told this bartender, he went up to her and said, do you know the people who did that birthday thing to me last year?
我想，特德仍然是那家酒吧的常客，他告诉这位调酒师，他走到她面前说，你知道去年给我做生日礼物的人吗？
And he said, well, could you tell them to stop calling me?
他说，好吧，你能告诉他们不要再给我打电话了吗？
And if they're going to be coming around this bar, I'm going to have to stop coming here.
如果他们要来到这个酒吧，我就不能再来这里了。
It really kind of broke my heart, because it had been such a wonderful night and a wonderful experience for us.
这真的让我心碎，因为这对我们来说是一个美好的夜晚和一次美妙的经历。
And it seemed like it had been a wonderful experience for him.
这对他来说似乎是一次美妙的经历。
I mean, but is it?
我的意思是，但真的是这样吗？
I mean, did it go well?
我的意思是，进展顺利吗？
Is it a success if, a year later, Ted's story has changed?
如果一年后，特德的故事发生了变化，这算成功吗？
Well, I mean, it does kind of-- that response definitely made me sad.
嗯，我的意思是，这种反应确实让我感到难过。
But regardless of how he feels about it now, I do know that that night was awesome.
但不管他现在感觉如何，我确实知道那个夜晚太棒了。
I kind of sound like the lead singer of Ghosts of Pasha now.
我现在听起来有点像《Ghosts of Pasha》的主唱。
Like, I want to tell him and kind of say the same things to him that that guy said to me.
就像，我想告诉他，并对他说那家伙对我说的同样的话。
You know, like, whatever you say, you had a blast that night.
你知道，无论你说什么，那天晚上你都玩得很开心。
But he did.
但他做到了。
He did get his $300, and he did get completely drunk, and make friends, even if for only a night.
他确实拿到了 300 美元，他也确实喝得酩酊大醉，交了朋友，即使只是一个晚上。
So that night, as it exists in my memory and in the memory of everybody who was there, it was a success.
所以那天晚上，正如我和在场所有人的记忆中一样，那晚是成功的。
In the end, Chris did to Charlie what Charlie does so well to other people.
最后，克里斯对查理做了查理对其他人做得很好的事情。
He pretended to have an experience that he wasn't actually having, and Charlie thought the fake-out was real.
他假装经历了他实际上没有经历的经历，而查理认为他的假装是真实的。
And when he found out the truth, Charlie reacted the way other people do to him in that situation.
当查理发现真相后，他的反应就像其他人在这种情况下对他所做的那样。
He was sort of upset, a little hurt.
他有点难过，有点受伤。
And then he comforted himself by deciding that some part of the fake-out was real.
然后他安慰自己，认为假装的某些部分是真实的。
And that's the danger of what Charlie does.
这就是查理所做的事情的危险之处。
He believes you'll enjoy sharing his fantasy world whether you do or not.
他相信无论你是否愿意，你都会喜欢分享他的幻想世界。
He asks you to leave your own reality and step into his, just like every crazy pantsless guy on the subway.
他要求你离开自己的现实，走进他的现实，就像地铁上每个疯狂的脱裤汉一样。
Jorge Just.
豪尔赫·贾斯特.
Coming up, mind games that can turn a girl invisible in front of a neighborhood, a city, and the national media.
即将推出的心理游戏可以让女孩在社区、城市和国家媒体面前隐形。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio international, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose some theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，为您带来关于该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Mind Games.
今天的节目是《智力游戏》。
And we've arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经进入了计划的第二幕。
Act Two, Invisible Girl.
第二幕，隐形少女。
You probably remember the story of Elizabeth Smart.
您可能还记得伊丽莎白·斯马特的故事。
Back in 2002, she was abducted from her home in Salt Lake City by a man who believed that God had told him to take her as his wife.
早在 2002 年，她就在盐湖城的家中被一名男子绑架，这名男子相信上帝告诉他要娶她为妻子。
She was 14.
她14岁。
He was 49.
他49岁了。
And he already had a wife, Wanda, who was 57 years old.
而他已经有一个妻子，旺达，现年57岁。
His name was Brian David Mitchell, but he called himself Emmanuel.
他的名字叫布莱恩·大卫·米切尔，但他称自己为伊曼纽尔。
Thousands of volunteers searched for Elizabeth Smart for months.
数月来，数千名志愿者一直在寻找伊丽莎白·斯玛特。
Her picture was everywhere.
她的照片到处都是。
But now we know that two months after the kidnapping, Mitchell and Wanda brought Elizabeth to the place that nobody would expect them to go, downtown Salt Lake City, right in the middle of the whole thing.
但现在我们知道，绑架发生两个月后，米切尔和旺达把伊丽莎白带到了一个没人预料到他们会去的地方——盐湖城市中心，就在整个事件的中心。
They'd walk the streets.
他们会走在街上。
Nobody recognized her.
没有人认出她。
Scott Carrier lives in this neighborhood, the one where Elizabeth Smart lived, the one where her captors brought her later.
斯科特·卡里尔 (Scott Carrier) 就住在这个街区，伊丽莎白·斯马特 (Elizabeth Smart) 就住在这个街区，绑架者后来把她带到了这里。
And he talked to his neighbors about what happened in their heads that they didn't recognize her.
他和邻居们谈论了他们不认识她的想法。
Our neighborhood is on a hillside, sandwiched between the University of Utah and downtown.
我们的社区位于山坡上，夹在犹他大学和市中心之间。
The closest thing we've got here to a liberal enclave, and relatively diverse, at least economically.
我们这里最接近自由主义飞地，而且相对多元化，至少在经济上如此。
At the bottom of the hill are the mansions built in the late 1800s, the street lined with old sycamores, some shops and stores, apartment buildings.
山脚下是1800年代后期建造的豪宅，街道两旁种满了老梧桐树，还有一些商店和商店、公寓楼。
Going up the hillside, the houses generally get newer and bigger.
往山坡上走，房子一般都更新更大了。
Elizabeth Smart and her family lived about a mile from our house.
伊丽莎白·斯马特和她的家人住在离我们家大约一英里的地方。
After she was abducted, her pictures seemed to be everywhere, taped to light posts, in every storefront window.
她被绑架后，她的照片似乎到处都是，贴在每个店面橱窗的灯柱上。
She was on the news every day for months.
几个月来，她每天都出现在新闻中。
But she was here, with her two abductors, walking around on the streets, and nobody figured it out.
但她就在这里，带着两个绑架者，在街上走来走去，却没有人明白这一点。
Nobody recognized her, partly because they were disguised.
没有人认出她，部分原因是他们乔装打扮了。
They wore white robes.
他们穿着白色的长袍。
Elizabeth and Wanda had their heads covered, veils across their faces, revealing only their eyes.
伊丽莎白和旺达蒙着头，脸上蒙着面纱，只露出眼睛。
Mitchell, or Emmanuel, had a turban, a long beard, and a walking stick.
米切尔，或者叫伊曼纽尔，戴着头巾，留着长胡子，拿着一根手杖。
For two and a half months, from August until October, they stayed pretty much right in the neighborhood, and a lot of people saw them.
从八月到十月的两个半月里，他们几乎一直待在附近，很多人都看到了他们。
Yeah, I did.
是的，我做到了。
I saw them.
我看到他们了。
I saw them walking.
我看到他们走路。
I was at the gas station, and we were washing the car.
我当时在加油站，我们正在洗车。
Yeah, they were walking right past Blockbuster Video, right towards the supermarket.
是的，他们正走过百视达视频，径直朝超市走去。
And we were up on 4 South, at the Wendy's.
我们在 4 South 的 Wendy's 餐厅。
And we went in there for a second to see if they had salad bar.
我们进去看了一会儿，看看他们是否有沙拉吧。
And they didn't, but on the way out, he came up, Emmanuel, or Brian David Mitchell.
他们没有，但是在出去的时候，他出现了，伊曼纽尔，或者布莱恩·大卫·米切尔。
And they were all wearing their robes.
他们都穿着长袍。
And they were walking slowly up the street-- I don't know where they were going-- in a single-file line.
他们排成一队，慢慢地走在街上——我不知道他们要去哪里。
I saw him.
我看到他了。
And the guy, he stopped, and he stopped, talking to somebody.
那个人，他停了下来，他停了下来，和某人说话。
I think he asked for a cigarette.
我想他要了一支烟。
And the two women stood back a little bit.
两个女人往后退了一点。
And he came up, and he was very humble, and he asked for some money for food.
他就上来了，态度很谦虚，要了一些吃饭的钱。
He didn't seem threatening.
他看起来并没有威胁。
But I saw the girl eye to eye, and she looked familiar.
但我四目相对地看着那个女孩，她看起来很眼熟。
Even that, her pictures, were in the door, you know?
即便如此，她的照片还在门上，你知道吗？
But it did not click.
但它没有点击。
It did not click.
它没有点击。
It wasn't like they just showed up out of nowhere.
他们并不是凭空出现的。
Mitchell and Barzee had been homeless, on the street, wearing their robes for a couple years before they took Elizabeth.
在带走伊丽莎白之前，米切尔和巴泽已经无家可归，在街上穿着长袍好几年了。
My friend, Trent Harris, thought he knew the guy all too well.
我的朋友特伦特·哈里斯（Trent Harris）认为他太了解这个人了。
Well, he was kind of a fixture on the streets of Salt Lake City.
嗯，他是盐湖城街头的常客。
He was always asking for money in front of the ZCMI Shopping Mall.
他总是在ZCMI购物中心门前要钱。
I remember he'd sit out there with this just pathetic look on his face.
我记得他坐在那儿，脸上露出可怜兮兮的表情。
Oh, he was annoying.
哦，他很烦人。
He was really annoying.
他实在是太烦人了。
I'd seen them before, and I thought they were just crazy extremist fundamentalists who'd walk around.
我以前见过他们，我以为他们只是四处走动的疯狂极端原教旨主义者。
That's my son, Milo.
那是我的儿子，米洛。
He's the same age as Elizabeth and went to grade school with her.
他和伊丽莎白同龄，和她一起上小学。
We have a picture of Milo and Elizabeth at a birthday party when they were four.
我们有一张米洛和伊丽莎白四岁时在生日聚会上的照片。
He's dressed as a cowboy.
他打扮得像个牛仔。
She's a princess.
她是一位公主。
My wife, Hilary, gave her dance lessons.
我的妻子希拉里给她上了舞蹈课。
In September, Milo saw Elizabeth with Mitchell and Barzee when he was at a gas station washing the car.
9月，米洛在加油站洗车时看到了伊丽莎白和米切尔、巴泽。
They walked by me.
他们从我身边走过。
I was within 10 feet of them.
我距离他们不到 10 英尺。
I'm pretty sure she could've recognized me if she'd just seen me.
我敢肯定，如果她刚才看到我，一定会认出我的。
I bet she did.
我打赌她做到了。
But she didn't say anything, and Milo didn't recognize her.
但她什么也没说，米洛也不认识她。
I didn't think anything of it, because that's ridiculous.
我没有多想，因为这太荒谬了。
Like, she's walking around in the middle of daylight.
就像，她在大白天走来走去。
It wouldn't be her.
不会是她。
It didn't even cross my mind that it would be her.
我什至没有想到会是她。
Who would do that?
谁会这么做？
Who would actually take the person that everybody is looking for, the most sought after person in the whole state pretty much?
谁会真正接受每个人都在寻找的人，全州最受欢迎的人？
That's risking your life.
那是在拿你的生命冒险。
If somebody found him and recognized her, they would've killed him.
如果有人发现他并认出她，他们就会杀了他。
Part of the reason the disguise worked is because, whether we saw him as a pest, or a harmless eccentric, or a crazy fundamentalist, we saw him as a loser.
这种伪装之所以有效，部分原因在于，无论我们把他视为害虫、无害的怪人，还是疯狂的原教旨主义者，我们都把他视为失败者。
Someone to be pitied or scorned, written off, ignored, forgotten.
一个被怜悯或被蔑视、被注销、被忽视、被遗忘的人。
And we don't really look at people like that.
我们并不会真正这样看待人。
We look away.
我们把目光移开。
There's another reason we didn't recognize Elizabeth, and it has to do with a thing that's specific to this culture and this place right here.
我们不认识伊丽莎白还有另一个原因，它与这里的文化和这个地方特有的事情有关。
In any other state, if you saw Mitchell and Barzee walking along with a young girl in tow, you'd think it was their daughter.
在任何其他州，如果你看到米切尔和巴泽带着一个年轻女孩走来，你会认为那是他们的女儿。
But when we saw it here, we thought she was his new polygamist wife.
但当我们看到这里时，我们以为她是他的新一夫多妻制妻子。
And I remember saying to myself, you know, I'm used to seeing Emmanuel David with one woman, but now he had two, and the other one was much younger.
我记得我对自己说，你知道，我习惯看到伊曼纽尔·大卫和一个女人在一起，但现在他有两个女人，另一个更年轻。
And I remember thinking, how did he manage to pull that off?
我记得当时我在想，他是如何做到这一点的？
And when he came up to us the day at Wendy's, I felt bad for those two women..
那天他在温迪店来找我们时，我为那两个女人感到难过。
And I especially noticed that the other one was young.
而且我特别注意到另一个人很年轻。
But I didn't think that's their daughter.
但我没想到那是他们的女儿。
I assumed immediately, just in my head, that she was his new wife.
我立即在脑海中假设她是他的新妻子。
It just came to my head.
我刚刚想到了这一点。
Oh, look, he got another wife.
哦，看，他又娶了一个妻子。
You didn't anything bad about it when you saw that he had two wives.
当你看到他有两个妻子时，你并没有什么不好的。
I didn't.
我没有。
I really didn't.
我真的没有。
Scott Carrier Officially, the Mormons stopped believing in polygamy in 1890, but it still goes on here and there.
斯科特·卡里尔 (Scott Carrier) 按照官方说法，摩门教徒在 1890 年就不再相信一夫多妻制，但这种现象仍然到处存在。
And many people in Salt Lake City have polygamist ancestors.
盐湖城的许多人都有一夫多妻制的祖先。
And when we run into it, there's a sense of shame and embarrassment mixed in with American ideals of freedom of religion.
当我们遇到这种情况时，我们会感到羞耻和尴尬，这与美国宗教自由的理想交织在一起。
And the end result is we just ignore it and let it be.
最终的结果是我们只是忽略它并顺其自然。
We don't want to look at it.
我们不想看它。
What's especially annoying about this is the possibility that Mitchell was smart enough to figure it out and use this weakness against us.
尤其令人恼火的是，米切尔有可能足够聪明，能够找出这一点并利用这个弱点来对付我们。
The most amazing encounter with Elizabeth happened in September, not long before the threesome left town to spend the winter in southern California.
与伊丽莎白最奇妙的相遇发生在九月，就在三人离开小镇去南加州过冬之前不久。
There was a party in a big house full of bohemians.
一所大房子里正在举行一场聚会，里面挤满了波西米亚人。
Mitchell, Barzee, and Elizabeth were walking by, maybe on their way back to their camp in the foothills, and they stopped in.
米切尔、巴齐和伊丽莎白正路过，也许是在返回山麓营地的路上，他们停下来了。
Amber Meriwether and Russell Ferrell were there that night.
那天晚上，安布尔·梅里韦瑟和拉塞尔·费雷尔也在场。
There's always people in costumes at the parties there.
那里的聚会上总是有人穿着盛装。
So we just thought that they were just people in costume, just being silly.
所以我们只是认为他们只是穿着戏服的人，只是很傻。
He drew a lot of attention to himself, because he had a lot of preaching going on.
他引起了很多人的注意，因为他有很多讲道。
He was an obvious preacher, but it seemed dichotomous that he was meanwhile bumming beers.
他显然是一位传教士，但同时他却在喝啤酒，这似乎是矛盾的。
It looked like he had never seen food or drink in his entire life.
看来他这辈子都没有见过吃的喝的了。
The man's was obviously starving and a complete obnoxious drunk.
这个男人显然是在挨饿，而且是个令人讨厌的醉汉。
Finally, he got a hold of some local-made absinthe, which is the tincture of wormwood made famous by the impressionists back in the turn of the century.
最后，他得到了一些当地生产的苦艾酒，这是世纪之交印象派著名的艾草酊剂。
He was just drinking it like crazy, and he was getting super sloshed.
他疯狂地喝着，而且喝得很醉。
And he was trying to get the two girls to drink it.
他正试图让两个女孩喝下它。
Somebody at the party took a picture of Elizabeth standing there in the kitchen.
聚会上有人拍了一张伊丽莎白站在厨房里的照片。
You may have seen it, a veil across her face, her eyes so clearly now the same eyes in the posters hanging up all over town.
你可能已经看到了，她脸上蒙着面纱，她的眼睛现在如此清晰，就像全城挂着的海报上的眼睛一样。
The people at the party were so close, but still they couldn't see her.
聚会上的人离得那么近，却还是看不到她。
It was just too absurd.
这实在是太荒唐了。
Amber even went up and talked to her.
安布尔甚至走上前去和她说话。
I walked into the kitchen, and I remember looking at her a couple of times and thinking that she looked familiar.
我走进厨房，记得看了她好几次，觉得她看起来很眼熟。
I had been seeing her pictures everywhere, but I didn't connect the two.
我到处都看到她的照片，但我没有把两者联系起来。
I just thought, I mean, come on, you're not going to think Elizabeth Smart's going to be drunk at a party.
我只是想，我的意思是，拜托，你不会认为伊丽莎白·斯马特会在聚会上喝醉。
Or I guess she wasn't drunk.
或者我猜她没有喝醉。
I don't think she drank anything, actually.
事实上，我认为她没有喝任何东西。
But I walked up to her and I just asked her, where do I know her from?
但我走到她面前，只是问她，我从哪里认识她？
That she looks really familiar.
看来她真的很眼熟。
And she didn't really say anything back.
而她也确实没有回嘴什么。
And the man, Emmanuel, came up, he said, no, you don't know her.
那个人，伊曼纽尔，走过来，他说，不，你不认识她。
Someone said, well, was this guy using some sort of black magic over the whole scenario?
有人说，这家伙是不是在整个场景中使用了某种黑魔法？
Putting a veil, so to speak, over everyone's perception?
可以这么说，给每个人的看法蒙上一层面纱吗？
His approach to her and the other woman was very-- he was quite the patriarch.
他对她和另一个女人的态度非常——他是一位家长。
I think he was so believing of his righteousness or his potency of his prophecy, and he would do these little things to prove to himself, more and more so, that he was being protected by God because it was right what he was doing, that every time he took Elizabeth out and that she wasn't noticed, it was true that Elizabeth was his.
我认为他非常相信自己的正义或他的预言的效力，他会做这些小事来向自己证明，越来越多，他受到上帝的保护，因为他所做的事情是正确的，每次他带伊丽莎白出去并且她没有被注意到时，伊丽莎白确实是他的。
And he really believed that he could be protected in this way, that he made it happen in this weird way.
他真的相信他可以通过这种方式得到保护，他以这种奇怪的方式让这一切发生。
It did happen.
它确实发生了。
He had literally put a spell over Salt Lake City, that no one would see him.
他确实对盐湖城下了咒语，没有人会看到他。
It was magical.
这太神奇了。
I think he believed that.
我想他相信这一点。
I think it's more likely we didn't see Elizabeth because we thought the guy who took her would be a monster, a bogeyman, and we expected him to appear in that form.
我认为更有可能的是我们没有看到伊丽莎白，因为我们认为带走她的人会是一个怪物，一个妖怪，我们期望他以那种形式出现。
Mitchell looked like the opposite of a bogeyman.
米切尔看起来就像一个妖怪的反面。
A bogeyman stands in the shadows and jumps out at you.
一个妖怪站在阴影中并向你跳出来。
Mitchell stood right in front of us and sort of became invisible.
米切尔就站在我们面前，有点隐形了。
When Elizabeth was discovered nine months after her abduction, we all realized our mistake.
当伊丽莎白被绑架九个月后被发现时，我们都意识到了我们的错误。
And it was like a combination of being really happy she was alive mixed with feelings of being duped in a rather serious and sinister way.
这就像是一种非常高兴她还活着的感觉，同时又夹杂着一种被一种相当严重和险恶的方式欺骗的感觉。
We realized we were partly to blame, that there was something within us that made us deny the obvious.
我们意识到我们有部分责任，我们内心有某种东西让我们否认显而易见的事情。
And that hurt.
这很痛。
My son, Milo, thought about it for months afterwards.
几个月后，我的儿子米洛思考了这个问题。
He's 17 now.
他现在17岁了。
Did you feel bad when you realized that you'd missed it?
当你意识到自己错过了它时，你是否感到难过？
Yeah.
是的。
Scott Carrier Tell me what you felt like when you heard it.
斯科特·卡里尔 告诉我你听到这句话时的感受。
Well, I mean, when I heard that she was walking around with that guy, it was like, holy crap, I've been right there.
嗯，我的意思是，当我听说她和那个家伙一起走来走去时，就像，天哪，我就在那里。
Like, I've walked by those guys, and just passed it off as nothing.
就像，我从那些家伙身边走过，却视而不见。
It sounds bad, but the way that he kept her was he convinced her to stay with him.
听起来很糟糕，但他留住她的方式就是说服她留在他身边。
He took her up into the mountains and-- he's not a good guy.
他带她进山——他不是个好人。
He's a terrible person.
他是一个可怕的人。
He took her up into the mountains and somehow brainwashed her, convinced her that she was meant to be with him and he was the son of God.
他带她进山，以某种方式给她洗脑，让她相信她注定要和他在一起，他是上帝的儿子。
He thinks he's Jesus.
他认为他是耶稣。
If I could have been there-- Like, if I had known then, if I had just been able to think about it-- I don't know, it made me pretty angry.
如果我能在那里——就像，如果我当时就知道，如果我能够想到这一点——我不知道，这让我很生气。
Like, maybe if I could just go back to then, that day.
就像，也许我可以回到那时，那天。
Thinking about that more than anything.
考虑这个比什么都重要。
I saw Elizabeth a couple weeks ago, downtown between the shopping malls.
几周前我在市中心的购物中心之间见到了伊丽莎白。
She was on one side of the street and I was on the other.
她在街道的一侧，我在另一侧。
At first, I thought she was a woman in her 20s, maybe a legal secretary, because that's how she was dressed.
一开始我以为她是个20多岁的女人，可能是个法律秘书，因为她就是这样的穿着。
But then, when the light changed and we walked by each other, I thought, who is that?
但后来，当光线变了，我们擦肩而过时，我想，那是谁？
She looks like a young Mariel Hemingway, really distinctive and beautiful eyes.
她看起来就像年轻时的玛丽尔·海明威，眼睛确实独特而美丽。
And then I realized it was Elizabeth Smart, right as she went by me.
然后我意识到那是伊丽莎白·斯玛特，就在她从我身边经过时。
It was like seeing a rock star or a mythic heroine.
这就像看到摇滚明星或神话女英雄。
She'd journeyed to a dark world, and it seemed, looking at her, that she'd come back with her innocence intact.
她旅行到了一个黑暗的世界，看着她，她似乎带着完整的纯真回来了。
And this made me feel hopeful, like maybe things are going to turn out OK.
这让我感到充满希望，好像事情可能会好起来。
Scott Carrier in Salt Lake City.
斯科特·开利在盐湖城。
His story received support from hearingvoices.com, which gets some of its support from The Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
他的故事得到了hearingvoices.com 的支持，该网站也得到了公共广播公司的部分支持。
Well, our program was produced today by Julie Snyder and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Diane Cook, Wendy Dorr, Jane Feltes, Sarah Koenig, and Lisa Pollak.
好吧，我们今天的节目是由朱莉·斯奈德和我本人以及亚历克斯·布隆伯格、黛安·库克、温迪·多尔、简·费尔特斯、莎拉·科尼格和丽莎·波拉克制作的。
Production help from Todd Bachmann and Aaron Scott.
托德·巴赫曼 (Todd Bachmann) 和亚伦·斯科特 (Aaron Scott) 为制作提供帮助。
Seth Lind is our production manager.
塞思·林德 (Seth Lind) 是我们的生产经理。
Adrianne Mathiowetz runs our website.
阿德琳娜·马修韦茨 (Adrianne Mathiowetz) 负责运营我们的网站。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
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我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，提供各种全新的节日商品，满足您的节日购物需求。
Also, if you're so inclined, you can go there and donate to our show.
另外，如果您愿意，可以去那里为我们的演出捐款。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by Mr. Torey Malatia, who insists,
Torey Malatia 先生对我们的计划进行 WBEZ 管理监督，他坚持认为，
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。