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Prologue Ira Glass OK, here's a joke that US servicemen in Iraq just love.
序言 Ira Glass 好的，这是驻伊拉克美国军人最喜欢的一个笑话。
This brings down the house, according to Tom Irwin, a comedian who just spent over a month entertaining troops in the Sunni Triangle, in Fallujah, in Mosul, near the border with Iran, all over the place.
喜剧演员汤姆·欧文(Tom Irwin)刚刚在逊尼派三角、费卢杰、摩苏尔、伊朗边境附近的各个地方招待军队一个多月，他说，这让整个房子都垮了。
He came into the studio and told me the joke.
他走进工作室给我讲了这个笑话。
Black Hawk helicopters, I love them.
黑鹰直升机，我喜欢它们。
I love the pilots.
我爱飞行员。
We've gotten to know many of the Black Hawk helicopter pilots.
我们认识了许多黑鹰直升机飞行员。
And I love Black Hawk helicopters.
我喜欢黑鹰直升机。
I do know a group of people who hate them.
我确实认识一群讨厌他们的人。
And those would be Iraqi sheep farmers.
这些人就是伊拉克的牧羊人。
And that joke would kill.
这个笑话会杀人的。
Tom Irwin Yeah, no, it's yeah, it's very strong.
汤姆·欧文：是的，不，是的，它非常强大。
Because that's how everybody gets around.
因为每个人都是这样相处的。
Because you fly very low.
因为你飞得很低。
So you can see the people.
这样你就可以看到人了。
You can see them.
你可以看到他们。
So it has to do with-- and you watch all the animals scatter.
所以这与——你看着所有的动物四散。
So it's kind of, OK, Babu, OK, last one in the pen, OK, and then, tt-tt-tt-tt-tt-tt-tt-tt-tt.
所以有点，好吧，巴布，好吧，笔中的最后一个，好吧，然后，tt-tt-tt-tt-tt-tt-tt-tt-tt。
Ah!
啊!
American!
美国人！
It's just this, I don't know, I'm sorry.
只是这个，我不知道，抱歉。
I can't keep describing.
我无法继续描述。
It's so hard to leave that out there.
很难把它抛在那里。
Because it's just like, I am just so conditioned to have it have a different reaction.
因为这就像，我太习惯于让它有不同的反应。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
I'm sitting in this studio, just like, oh my God.
我坐在这个工作室里，就像，天哪。
This is the greatest bad reaction I've ever heard.
这是我听过的最糟糕的反应。
Listeners here in the United States may think we have some idea of what is going on among the American forces in Iraq.
美国的听众可能认为我们对驻伊拉克美军的情况有所了解。
But really, we don't know their day-to-day lives.
但实际上，我们并不了解他们的日常生活。
We don't know their habits.
我们不知道他们的习惯。
We don't know what annoys them most.
我们不知道什么最让他们烦恼。
We do not even understand their jokes.
我们甚至听不懂他们的笑话。
As Tom Irwin says--
正如汤姆·欧文所说——
And so today on our radio program, an attempt to bridge the gap between the 140,000 Americans stationed in Iraq and the 290 million of us back home.
因此，今天我们的广播节目试图弥合驻扎在伊拉克的 14 万美国人与国内 2.9 亿美国人之间的差距。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
这是来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our show, trying to find cigarettes in Fallujah.
今天在我们的节目中，试图在费卢杰寻找香烟。
What US training tells you you should do if you hit a roadside bomb, versus what you should actually do, if you want to live.
美国的训练告诉你，如果你击中路边炸弹，你应该做什么，而不是如果你想活命，你实际上应该做什么。
And what insurgents play over loudspeakers that freaks out Americans, and what Americans play to freak out Iraqis.
叛乱分子用扩音器播放的音乐吓坏了美国人，美国人播放的音乐吓坏了伊拉克人。
We have two stories on our show today.
今天我们的节目有两个故事。
Act One, we spend some time with some National Guardsmen a few miles from Baghdad.
第一幕，我们在距离巴格达几英里的地方与一些国民警卫队成员度过了一些时间。
Act Two, our own Jack Hitt talks about what the Battle of Fallujah was really like with a marine lieutenant who commanded a platoon in Charlie Company, a lieutenant who also happens to be his nephew.
第二幕中，我们自己的杰克·希特（Jack Hitt）讲述了费卢杰战役的真实情况，与一位指挥查理连一个排的海军陆战队中尉交谈，这位中尉恰好也是他的侄子。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, When Weekend Warriors Work Weekdays.
第一幕，当周末勇士在工作日工作时。
Joe Betts signed up for the National Guard when he was 22.
乔·贝茨 (Joe Betts) 22 岁时报名加入国民警卫队。
A friend was in the Guard, eight brothers in the Guard.
一个朋友在警卫队，八个兄弟也在警卫队。
He liked the military.
他喜欢军队。
At 42, he and his unit got called to service in Iraq.
42 岁时，他和他的部队被征召前往伊拉克服役。
Joe had been working as an assistant minister in a Baptist church.
乔一直在浸信会教堂担任助理牧师。
And just two months before he got called up, he started his own church, which was progressing just fine.
就在他被征召前两个月，他建立了自己的教堂，进展顺利。
The attendance was good.
出席率很好。
We had about 30-plus people there each Sunday evening at 3:00.
每个周日晚上 3:00 那里都有大约 30 多人。
And I think it was going along pretty good.
我认为一切进展得很好。
We know that my unit, 239, has been called up to active duty.
我们知道我的239部队已被征召入伍。
[INAUDIBLE] my strength in the Lord.
[听不清]我在主里的力量。
I'm going through some hard times at this point in my life.
在我人生的这个阶段，我正在经历一些艰难的时期。
It's a trying time.
这是一段艰难的时期。
I need your prayers.
我需要你的祈祷。
I need your prayers.
我需要你的祈祷。
And I also would like to admonish the ones that have been attending services to continue to come.
我还想劝告那些一直参加礼拜的人继续来。
Continue to come.
继续来吧。
Don't stop.
别停下来。
No matter what trials and tribulations come, he is telling us to press on.
无论遇到什么样的考验和磨难，他都告诉我们要坚持下去。
Hey, Joe, when you signed up for the Guard, did you ever think that you would be deployed?
嘿，乔，当你报名参加警卫队时，你有没有想过你会被部署？
I did.
我做到了。
But for me to go, they had to reenlist me.
但为了让我离开，他们必须重新招募我。
Because my enlistment was actually about up.
因为我的入伍时间实际上即将结束。
My 20 years would have been over with.
我的20年就结束了。
My enlistment period actually was over before we were sent.
在我们被派遣之前，我的入伍期实际上已经结束了。
And so they involuntarily gave me another year.
所以他们不由自主地又给了我一年。
And if they had asked you whether or not you wanted to do that, would you have said that you wanted to do it, or that you wouldn't have wanted to do it?
如果他们问你是否愿意这样做，你会说你愿意这样做，还是不愿意这样做？
At the time, I wouldn't have done it.
当时我是不会这么做的。
I've had 20 years.
我已经20年了
And I felt like 20 years is enough to give to your country.
我觉得20年的时间已经足够为你的国家做出贡献了。
I feel like I've done my duties.
我觉得我已经尽了我的职责。
I don't feel like I owe anybody anything.
我不觉得我欠任何人什么。
And no, I don't think I would have went, if they'd have gave me that choice.
不，如果他们给我这样的选择，我想我不会去。
Joe is one of the people in this new documentary series that's airing on a cable channel you probably don't catch too often, the Discovery Times channel.
乔是这部新纪录片系列中的人物之一，该系列纪录片在您可能不常观看的有线电视频道“探索时报”频道上播出。
Two brothers from Arkansas, Brent and Craig Renaud, decided to follow one group of Arkansas National Guardsmen and their families from the announcement of their deployment to the day that the town holds a big rally to send them off, and into Kuwait and Iraq.
来自阿肯色州的两兄弟布伦特·雷诺 (Brent Renaud) 和克雷格·雷诺 (Craig Renaud) 决定跟随一群阿肯色州国民警卫队士兵及其家人，从宣布部署到该镇举行大型集会送行的那一天，前往科威特和伊拉克。
Three episodes have aired already.
目前已经播出三集。
The brothers are still out there filming.
兄弟俩还在外面拍戏。
The unit is still there in Iraq.
该部队仍在伊拉克。
And because these guys have gotten to know these men and their families so well, living with them for months now, the brothers have witnessed and filmed all kinds of things that have never been documented anywhere else.
因为这些人已经非常了解这些人和他们的家人，与他们一起生活了几个月，兄弟俩目睹并拍摄了各种其他地方从未记录过的事情。
40% of the soldiers in Iraq are reservists, either from the Army Reserve or from the National Guard.
伊拉克 40% 的士兵是预备役军人，要么来自陆军预备役，要么来自国民警卫队。
What this means for Arkansas is the largest call-up of reservists since the Korean War, 2,800 soldiers.
这对阿肯色州来说意味着自朝鲜战争以来最大规模的预备役军人征召，共 2,800 名士兵。
Craig and Brent followed the 57 guardsmen from the town of Clarksville, Arkansas.
克雷格和布伦特跟随来自阿肯色州克拉克斯维尔镇的 57 名警卫。
Here's Craig.
这是克雷格。
Clarksville is a town of 7,000 people.
克拉克斯维尔是一个拥有 7,000 人的小镇。
One of the reasons we chose Clarksville is the majority of the National Guard that's in Iraq right now comes from small, rural towns like Clarksville.
我们选择克拉克斯维尔的原因之一是，目前在伊拉克的大部分国民警卫队都来自像克拉克斯维尔这样的乡村小镇。
A lot of people that join the National Guard there do it for an extra paycheck.
许多人加入国民警卫队是为了获得额外的薪水。
What do most of these guys think they were signing up for?
这些人中的大多数认为他们注册的目的是什么？
When they initially signed up, like anyone else who joins the National Guard, they think they're signing up for one weekend a month, and two weeks a year.
当他们最初报名时，就像其他加入国民警卫队的人一样，他们认为自己每月报名一个周末，每年报名两周。
After 9/11, obviously, that changed everything.
显然，9/11 事件之后，一切都改变了。
But no one thought they were signing up for a deployment.
但没有人认为他们正在报名参加部署。
They were signing up to hang out with their buddies one weekend a month, get to shoot guns and drive trucks around, but definitely not go fight in a war.
他们签约每月一个周末与好友一起出去玩，可以开枪、开卡车，但绝对不会去打仗。
And in the early episodes of Off to War, you see how taken aback they are.
在《开战》的前几集中，你可以看到他们是多么惊讶。
We are out in the middle of the desert in Kuwait, eating a meal that came out of a brown plastic sack on probably the most expensive camping trip America has ever seen.
我们在科威特的沙漠中央，吃着从棕色塑料袋里拿出来的饭菜，这可能是美国有史以来最昂贵的露营之旅。
This is my response to the National Guards.
这是我对国民警卫队的回应。
What happened to one weekend a month, two weeks a year?
每月一个周末、一年两周发生了什么？
This is Matt Hertlein and his friend Tommy.
这是马特·赫特林和他的朋友汤米。
Matt signed up for the Guard because he wanted free college and extra money on the weekends, and because Tommy made it sound like it would be a good time.
马特报名参加警卫队是因为他想要免费大学和周末额外的钱，而且因为汤米听起来这将是一个美好时光。
The man I am today is because of that [BLEEP] right there.
我今天的成就是因为那里的[BLEEP]。
He is the one that I said, yeah, man, join the National Guard.
他就是我说的那个人，是的，加入国民警卫队。
Get drunk on the weekends and go to drills, and we can have all kinds of fun in college, partying.
周末喝个醉，去操练，我们就可以在大学里享受各种乐趣，聚会。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
I see how much fun you're having in college.
我知道你在大学里过得有多开心。
When's the last time you signed up for registration?
您最后一次报名是什么时候？
Well, Matt Hertlein and Tommy Erp, the 19-year-olds who joined, coming out of high school, they've talked about there's not a whole lot of opportunities for them.
嗯，马特·赫特林 (Matt Hertlein) 和汤米·厄普 (Tommy Erp) 是高中毕业后加入的 19 岁年轻人，他们谈到自己没有太多机会。
Matt even made the comment that if I wasn't here with all of my buddies in Iraq, I don't know what else I'd be doing.
马特甚至评论说，如果我不在伊拉克和我所有的朋友在一起，我不知道我还能做什么。
Because one, everybody's in the National Guard that I know, and so they're here.
因为第一，我认识的每个人都在国民警卫队，所以他们都在这里。
And if I was back home, there's not a lot of opportunity for us.
如果我回到家乡，我们就没有太多机会了。
When we were at a party, their last party that they went to, just before they left, all of their friends were joking about how they couldn't wait for their friends to leave, because now there would be more jobs available that they could get, once they were in Iraq.
当我们参加一个聚会时，他们参加的最后一个聚会，就在他们离开之前，他们所有的朋友都开玩笑说他们迫不及待地等待他们的朋友离开，因为一旦他们到达伊拉克，现在他们可以获得更多的工作机会。
At the very beginning of the documentary, before they're sent out, Matt and Tommy are the only ones who actually seem to kind of look forward to going to Iraq.
在纪录片的一开始，在发出之前，马特和汤米是唯一似乎真正期待去伊拉克的人。
They're younger than the other Guardsmen, didn't have responsibilities at home, and didn't know much about what was going on the war.
他们比其他卫兵年轻，在家里没有责任，对战争的情况了解不多。
Sitting on the couch in Matt's house with some family, they talked about it.
和一些家人坐在马特家里的沙发上，他们谈论了这件事。
It's an opportunity to me.
这对我来说是一个机会。
We can go over there and get the job done.
我们可以去那里完成工作。
And I think it'll be fun.
我认为这会很有趣。
I'll try to make the most of it.
我会尽力充分利用它。
I think I'll have fun.
我想我会玩得很开心。
Friends are going.
朋友们要去。
I've got family going.
我还有家人要出发
Going to be pretty fun.
会很有趣。
My mom's not too happy about it.
我妈妈对此不太高兴。
She's-- yeah.
她是——是的。
Every time she even starts talking about it, she starts bawling, man.
每次她一开始谈论这件事，她就会开始嚎啕大哭，伙计。
We know what we're doing.
我们知道我们在做什么。
It's not like we're going over there, and we're just going to be sandbags getting shot at.
我们又不会去那里，我们只是成为被射击的沙袋。
We know what we're doing.
我们知道我们在做什么。
And we know how to control ourself.
我们知道如何控制自己。
Those suicide bombers and stuff, they're willing to kill their self, and they don't care who they kill.
那些自杀式炸弹袭击者之类的人，他们愿意自杀，他们不在乎他们杀了谁。
If I got to shoot somebody, I want to shoot them.
如果我要射杀某人，我想射杀他们。
I don't want to.
我不想。
It's not like I just want to go over there just to shoot people.
我并不是只是想去那里射人。
But if I have to shoot somebody, I'm going to do it.
但如果我必须向某人开枪，我就会这么做。
I just don't know if he realizes how dangerous it's going to be.
我只是不知道他是否意识到这将是多么危险。
The Renaud brothers helped arrange for me to talk with Matt Hertlein from Camp Cooke, where he and his unit are stationed, in Taji, just a few miles north of Baghdad.
雷诺兄弟帮我安排了与来自库克营的马特·赫特林的谈话，他和他的部队驻扎在库克营，塔吉位于巴格达以北几英里处。
When you see that early footage of yourself saying, oh, it's going to be kind of fun.
当你看到自己早期的镜头时说，哦，这会很有趣。
It'll be an adventure.
这将是一次冒险。
Do you feel like, man, you don't even know what you're in for?
你是否觉得，伙计，你甚至不知道自己在做什么？
Oh yeah.
哦，是的。
It doesn't even seem like me saying it anymore.
看来我已经不再说这句话了。
Just have been here for nine months, and then you watch that scene from that episode, and doesn't even-- I don't know.
刚在这里呆了九个月，然后你看到了那集的场景，甚至没有——我不知道。
It's like I'm not even watching myself.
就好像连我自己都没有看一样。
In the documentary, after the Arkansas Guardsmen are called up, but before they're shipped to Iraq, they're sent to training for six months at Fort Hood in Texas and Fort Polk in Louisiana.
在纪录片中，阿肯色州卫兵被征召入伍后，在被运送到伊拉克之前，他们被派往德克萨斯州的胡德堡和路易斯安那州的波尔克堡接受为期六个月的训练。
And seeing the footage of what they're like in training, the reality hits you, I think, of what it means that 40% of our forces in Iraq are reservists.
看到他们在训练中的镜头，我想，现实会让你明白，我们在伊拉克的部队中有 40% 是预备役军人。
Most of these are middle-aged guys who never thought that they would be deployed.
其中大多数是中年男子，他们从未想过自己会被部署。
In fact, some of them had served in the Army, and then switched to the Guard, specifically so they could get a pension without being deployed overseas.
事实上，他们中的一些人曾在陆军服役，然后转入国民警卫队，这样他们就可以在不被部署到海外的情况下获得养老金。
And so you notice something right away about their physical condition.
所以你会立即注意到他们的身体状况。
I think like most people in America, a lot of these guys were out of shape.
我认为像大多数美国人一样，这些人中的很多人都身体状况不佳。
Filmmaker Brent Renaud.
电影制片人布伦特·雷诺。
Brent Renaud Remember, they were only doing one weekend a month, two weeks a year.
布伦特·雷诺 请记住，他们每个月只做一个周末，一年只做两周。
They weren't expected to be in war shape, in combat shape.
预计他们不会处于战争状态、战斗状态。
And like the rest of America, a lot of them were not in that shape.
和美国其他地区一样，他们中的很多人并不处于这种状态。
Here, get a shot of my big belly.
来来来，拍一下我的大肚子。
Here you go.
干得好。
That'll be gone about the time I get home.
等我回家的时候，这些东西就会消失了。
Come on, blow the whistle.
来吧，吹口哨。
Ira Glass Imagine being sent back to junior high school gym class as an adult, and you get the picture of what's happening here, a bunch of homeowners and parents in gym shorts and t-shirts, jumping up and down in a row, most of them with these looks on the faces like they cannot believe this is happening to them.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）想象一下，作为一个成年人，被送回初中体育课，你就会看到这里发生的事情，一群穿着运动短裤和 T 恤的房主和家长，连续跳上跳下，他们中的大多数人脸上的表情就像他们不敢相信这发生在他们身上。
[WHISTLE] One soldier asks if he can smoke during calisthenics.
[口哨] 一名士兵问他在健美操期间是否可以吸烟。
When they do situps, another guy barely picks his shoulders up off the ground.
当他们做仰卧起坐时，另一个人几乎无法将肩膀从地上抬起来。
[WHISTLE] Ira Glass Told to run in a circle, one soldier takes off in the wrong direction completely.
[口哨] Ira Glass 要求一名士兵绕圈跑，但他完全跑错了方向。
Clockwise.
顺时针方向。
Clockwise.
顺时针方向。
Think of a clock, clockwise.
想象一个时钟，顺时针方向。
And when they're put into formation and ordered to march, this is what happens.
当他们列队并被命令行军时，就会发生这样的事情。
Half of them just look around.
其中一半人只是环顾四周。
One guy scratches his jock.
一个人抓伤了他的下体。
It's momentary chaos.
这是一时的混乱。
And then they start over.
然后他们重新开始。
Lock and load.
锁定并加载。
Ira Glass Even on the shooting range, there's a Bad News Bears quality to these early scenes.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 即使在射击场，这些早期场景也有一种坏消息熊的品质。
[GUNFIRE] Man You fired three rounds.
[枪声] 曼友开了三枪。
Three rounds.
三轮。
How many holes do you see?
你看到有多少个洞？
[BLEEP]
[哔]
This is going to be a lot different than just hunting back home.
这与仅仅打猎回家有很大不同。
Sergeant Joe Betts, the minister who was re-enlisted against his will, who was in his 40s, remember, as he went through all this training, says he was overweight by official Army standards, but was still able to do all the pushups and situps and running required by the Army.
被迫重新入伍的部长乔·贝茨中士 (Joe Betts) 40 多岁，他记得，在接受所有这些训练时，他说，按照陆军的官方标准，他超重，但仍然能够做陆军要求的所有俯卧撑、仰卧起坐和跑步。
In the film, Joe, early on, you say this, that a lot of the guys weren't taking the training seriously enough.
在电影中，乔，你一开始就说过，很多人都没有足够认真地对待训练。
Right.
正确的。
Ira Glass What did you see that made you say that?
Ira Glass 你看到了什么让你这么说？
What was happening?
发生了什么事？
The laughter.
笑声。
When we were training, you would see people just sitting around, saying, aw, man, this is not going to happen over there.
当我们训练时，你会看到人们只是坐在旁边说，哦，伙计，这不会发生在那里。
This is not what's going to happen.
这不会发生。
Welcome to Fort Hood.
欢迎来到胡德堡。
This stuff is pretty simple from here on out.
从现在开始，这件事就非常简单了。
It's night.
已经晚上了。
Dozens of Arkansas Guardsmen in formation, at attention, staring forward.
数十名阿肯色州卫兵列队，立正，凝视前方。
They've just arrived at this base in Texas.
他们刚刚抵达德克萨斯州的这个基地。
All you have to do is be where you are supposed to be when you're supposed to be there.
你所要做的就是在你应该在的时候出现在你应该在的地方。
And everything else is a cakewalk.
其他一切都是小菜一碟。
Hoo-ah?
呼啊？
All right.
好的。
That's all I got.
这就是我所得到的。
Oh, and turn them stupid cell phones off when you're standing in formation.
哦，当你站在队形里时，把那些愚蠢的手机关掉。
Got it?
知道了？
Thank you.
谢谢。
That's Brian Mason.
那是布莱恩·梅森。
He was brought in from a different unit to bring leadership to the engineer unit.
他是从另一个单位调来的，为工程师单位带来领导。
And when he did notice, maybe, some people being a little more lackadaisical than they could, I think the responsibility started weighing on him that he's got to get these guys home alive.
当他确实注意到，也许有些人比他们应该做的更加懒惰时，我认为他开始承担起责任，他必须让这些人活着回家。
He had been in Desert Storm.
他曾参加过《沙漠风暴》。
He didn't want anyone to die on his watch.
他不想让任何人在他的监督下死去。
He says a lot.
他说了很多。
You see him saying speeches.
你看到他发表演讲。
You guys got to get your game face on, you got to get your game face on.
你们必须拿出你们的比赛面孔，你们必须拿出你们的比赛面孔。
Company [?
公司 [？
a-ten-tion.
a-ten-tion。
Ira Glass This is in their barracks, guys on benches, lockers, everywhere.
Ira Glass 这是他们的营房，长凳上、储物柜上，到处都是。
They stand in a tired sort of way.
他们以一种疲倦的方式站着。
One guy stands on his bed.
一个人站在他的床上。
I want to thank each and every one of you for embarrassing the [BLEEP] out of me with this sad display of disrespect.
我要感谢你们每一个人，感谢你们用这种悲伤的不尊重表现让我感到尴尬。
Get down off those bunks.
从那些铺位上下来。
Stand at ease.
安心站立。
A colonel, lieutenant colonel just walked into this company, walked past 20, 30 people, probably.
一个上校、中校刚走进这个连，大概走过了20、30个人。
Not one of you called the room to attention.
你们中没有人引起房间注意。
Not one of you said, sir.
你们谁也没有说过，先生。
Who the hell do you people think you are?
你们到底以为自己是谁？
Hell, half of you don't even salute me when I'm outside, or the other platoon leaders, or the company commander.
天啊，我在外面的时候，你们有一半人都不向我、其他排长、连长敬礼。
Who they are, of course, is grown men, mostly, not career military, not young recruits.
当然，他们大多是成年男子，而不是职业军人，也不是年轻的新兵。
And it's strange to watch them get chewed out like teenagers.
看着他们像青少年一样被训斥，感觉很奇怪。
They stare ahead, faces blank.
他们凝视前方，面无表情。
You want to make life hard for yourself?
你想让自己的生活变得艰难吗？
Keep that [BLEEP] up.
保持[哔]声。
First Sergeant, they're all yours.
中士一等，他们都是你的了。
Take care of them.
照顾他们。
The 39th Brigade went through three weeks of combat training at Fort Polk, Louisiana, part of a joint readiness program.
第 39 旅在路易斯安那州波尔克堡进行了三周的战斗训练，这是联合战备计划的一部分。
This was the army's attempt to simulate, as best as it could, what operations would be like in Iraq.
这是军队试图尽可能模拟在伊拉克的行动。
Again, filmmaker Craig Renaud.
再次是电影制片人克雷格·雷诺。
And the idea was, they brought in a lot of Iraqis, mostly Kurdish Iraqis who live in the United States, to do a lot of role-playing.
他们的想法是，他们引进了很多伊拉克人，其中大部分是居住在美国的库尔德伊拉克人，来做很多角色扮演。
And they would speak only in Arabic to the soldiers.
他们只会用阿拉伯语与士兵交谈。
And they would have to undergo things like you would do in a peace and stability operation.
他们必须经历像你们在和平与稳定行动中所做的那样。
They did one training exercise where they had to go on a convoy through a town.
他们进行了一次训练演习，他们必须跟随车队穿过一个城镇。
And as they came into the town, there was a protest of Iraqis.
当他们进入城镇时，伊拉克人发起了抗议。
And they had to come in and ask the Iraqis if they could pass their convoy through.
他们必须进来询问伊拉克人是否可以让他们的车队通过。
And what it turned out is that the Iraqis were actually protesting a rise in the meat prices, but the soldiers assumed that they were protesting the American presidency.
结果，伊拉克人实际上是在抗议肉价上涨，但士兵们认为他们是在抗议美国总统的任期。
Anyway, the way they handled it escalated the situation.
不管怎样，他们的处理方式让事态升级了。
And the commander ended up getting killed.
而指挥官最终也被杀了。
Take that two right there.
把那两个拿在那里。
[INAUDIBLE], stay where you're at.
[听不清]，留在原地。
[INAUDIBLE], stay where you're at.
[听不清]，留在原地。
Hold your weapons to your right.
将武器放在右侧。
An industrial-sized smoke machine, who knew the Army owns an industrial-sized smoke machine, billows white smoke.
一台工业规模的烟雾机，谁知道陆军拥有一台工业规模的烟雾机，冒出滚滚白烟。
People scatter everywhere.
人们分散各处。
Civilians in headscarves wail over their fake dead.
戴着头巾的平民为假死者哭泣。
Officers and trainers stroll through the melee, observing and saying things like, well, I guess that'll teach them not to leave their vehicles unattended.
警官和教官在混战中漫步，观察并说一些话，比如，好吧，我想这会教会他们不要让车辆无人看管。
I wish we could have had a little more training, to be honest.
老实说，我希望我们能接受更多的培训。
Again, 19-year-old Matt Hertlein, talking with me from outside Baghdad.
又是 19 岁的马特·赫特林 (Matt Hertlein) 在巴格达郊外与我交谈。
I don't think we got enough.
我认为我们还不够。
Ira Glass How well-prepared were you for what you're doing now every day?
Ira Glass：对于现在每天所做的事情，您准备得怎么样？
Oh.
哦。
Actually, we weren't really prepared it all.
事实上，我们并没有真正做好一切准备。
We were prepared for going up and down the road and things like that.
我们已经做好了在路上走来走去之类的准备。
But the kinds of missions that we've been doing over here, that's not the kind of thing that we trained for.
但我们在这里执行的任务并不是我们训练的目的。
It's not even close.
还差得很远。
They don't compare at all.
他们根本不比较。
The people that trained us, you've got to understand, even if they had been over here, it was for Desert Storm, which was a completely different war than what we're fighting here.
那些训练我们的人，你必须明白，即使他们来到这里，也是为了沙漠风暴，那是一场与我们在这里打的完全不同的战争。
Sergeant David Short is a policeman in civilian life.
大卫·肖特中士是一名平民警察。
In Iraq, he commands a combat unit in the Arkansas National Guard.
在伊拉克，他指挥阿肯色州国民警卫队的一支作战部队。
He's another person in the film who spoke with me from Taji, outside Baghdad.
他是影片中另一个在巴格达郊外塔吉与我交谈的人。
The people that did the training actually did the best that they knew to do.
接受培训的人实际上已经尽力了。
They were under the impression that the war was over, and that we would basically be doing security and stability operations, where we were just in the rebuilding phase of the country.
他们的印象是战争已经结束，我们基本上将开展安全和稳定行动，而我们正处于该国的重建阶段。
Because they figured the major combat was over.
因为他们认为主要战斗已经结束了。
And when we got here, that's not really what happened.
当我们到达这里时，事实并非如此。
We immediately started combat patrols.
我们立即开始战斗巡逻。
In fact, the second day that I was here, we were given a photocopy of a piece of a map and directions to a gate, and told to go out and start patrolling, looking for insurgents.
事实上，我来这里的第二天，我们就得到了一张地图的复印件和通往大门的路线，并被告知出去开始巡逻，寻找叛乱分子。
Sergeant Short and Matt Hertlein both told me they wish that they'd had more regular combat training, how to patrol, how fire weapons from different positions, how to capture and detain people.
肖特中士和马特·赫特林都告诉我，他们希望能够接受更定期的战斗训练，如何巡逻，如何从不同位置发射武器，如何抓捕和拘留人员。
Part of the problem is just a coincidence in timing.
部分问题只是时间上的巧合。
The 39th Battalion arrived in-country in April 2004.
第39营于2004年4月抵达该国。
Here's Brent Renaud.
这是布伦特·雷诺。
And if you remember, April of last year is when the security situation really started to deteriorate in Iraq.
如果你还记得的话，去年四月是伊拉克安全局势真正开始恶化的时候。
That's when Fallujah really started to take place.
那是费卢杰真正开始发生的时候。
And--
还有——
That's the month that they captured those private contractors and killed them and hung them from that bridge.
就在那个月，他们抓获了那些私人承包商，并将他们杀死并吊在桥上。
That's when it really all changed.
就在那时，一切都真正改变了。
Exactly.
确切地。
That happened the day before we pulled out of Kuwait to convoy into Iraq.
这发生在我们从科威特撤军前往伊拉克的前一天。
They started doing things like going on patrols, looking for roadside bombs, guarding prisoners.
他们开始做一些事情，比如巡逻、寻找路边炸弹、看守囚犯。
These sort of things that they weren't trained for, because nobody envisioned that they would actually be doing them in Iraq.
他们没有接受过这些事情的训练，因为没有人想到他们会在伊拉克真正做这些事情。
One simple but important piece of training that they lacked: what to do if their vehicles rolled across an IED, an Improvised Explosive Device.
他们缺乏一项简单但重要的培训：如果他们的车辆碾过简易爆炸装置（一种简易爆炸装置）该怎么办。
Back before they arrived in Iraq, IED explosions were much less common than they are these days.
在他们到达伊拉克之前，简易爆炸装置爆炸比现在要少得多。
Now they're so frequent that Sergeant Short's unit has been blown up two dozen times by IEDs.
现在，此类事件如此频繁，以至于肖特中士的部队已被简易爆炸装置炸毁了两打。
Three of those times, Sergeant Short himself was in the convoy.
其中有三次，肖特中士本人也在车队中。
And the thing that a lot of people, that I didn't know, until I'd actually been in one and got hit, is your radio is no good to you for about 10 seconds.
很多人直到我真正经历过一次并被击中后才知道，你的收音机在大约 10 秒钟内对你没有任何好处。
So you may be trying to talk to somebody, but the explosion creates blast waves that interfere with the radio waves.
因此，您可能试图与某人交谈，但爆炸产生的冲击波会干扰无线电波。
And your communication equipment is no good for approximately 10 to 15 seconds.
您的通讯设备将在大约 10 到 15 秒内失效。
So it's imperative that everybody pay attention to what everybody else is doing.
因此，每个人都必须关注其他人在做什么。
If you hear the explosion, you need to be looking to make sure everybody that's supposed to be with you is with you.
如果您听到爆炸声，您需要确保所有应该与您在一起的人都与您在一起。
So if for any reason you need to turn around and go back and pick somebody up or recover their vehicle, you can.
因此，如果出于任何原因您需要掉头回去接某人或取回他们的车辆，您都可以。
But these are things we learned ourselves.
但这些都是我们自己学到的。
And so you didn't actually do drills on what to do if you're in a vehicle in a convoy and an IED goes off?
所以你实际上并没有进行演习来了解如果你在车队的车辆中并且简易爆炸装置爆炸了该怎么办？
That's not something you practiced for.
那不是你练习的目的。
No, no. We just learned the hard way on those.
不，不。我们刚刚在这些方面经历了惨痛的教训。
The first time we had an actual Improvised Explosive Device go off, it disabled the truck.
我们第一次真正的简易爆炸装置爆炸时，卡车就瘫痪了。
They were ambushed.
他们遭到伏击。
One of the guys was killed.
其中一名男子被杀。
They did train us.
他们确实训练了我们。
They did give us the standard procedure of what they wanted us to do.
他们确实给了我们他们希望我们做的事情的标准程序。
We followed those procedures.
我们遵循了这些程序。
And basically, what happened is a truck got left by itself with no combat support, because they did what they were trained to do, push forward 300 meters, and then assess the situation.
基本上，发生的事情是一辆卡车在没有战斗支持的情况下自行离开，因为他们做了他们受过训练的事情，向前推进 300 米，然后评估情况。
Well, they had a truck that was disabled, and they pushed out 300 meters and left it there.
好吧，他们有一辆坏了的卡车，他们把它推出了 300 米，然后把它留在那里。
And so those guys are in a firefight, fighting for their lives, and then they guys say, oh, we got to go back and get them.
所以那些人正在交火，为自己的生命而战，然后他们说，哦，我们必须回去救他们。
And then we got back, and the leaders all sat together and said, we did what we were trained to do.
然后我们回来了，领导们都坐在一起说，我们做了我们被训练要做的事情。
But it doesn't work.
但这不起作用。
And how could they have trained you to prepare for those?
他们如何训练你为这些做好准备？
Well, to be honest, really, in their defense, it would be very difficult for them to train us for something that they had no personal experience with.
好吧，说实话，真的，在他们的辩护中，他们很难训练我们做一些他们没有个人经验的事情。
By the time they finally do go to Iraq, the guys have lost weight.
当他们最终去伊拉克时，他们的体重已经减轻了。
In-country, they lose even more, wearing 60-pound vests all day in a place that gets up to 120 degrees.
在国内，他们损失的更多，因为整天穿着 60 磅重的背心，在温度高达 120 度的地方。
And some of the most disturbing moments in the film have to do with the equipment that they take with them, vehicles that the Arkansas National Guard's had for years, decades.
影片中一些最令人不安的时刻与他们随身携带的装备有关，这些车辆是阿肯色州国民警卫队使用了多年、几十年的。
So these five ton dump trucks, the youngest one we have is 1956.
所以这些五吨自卸车，我们拥有的最年轻的一辆是1956年的。
The newest one we have is 1964.
我们最新的版本是 1964 年的。
Only 4 of the unit's 42 vehicles were properly armored.
该部队的 42 辆车辆中只有 4 辆配备了适当的装甲。
Again, filmmaker Craig Renaud.
再次是电影制片人克雷格·雷诺。
And brigade-wide, I think this is pretty representative in terms of the armor situation that they had.
在全旅范围内，我认为这对于他们的装甲情况来说非常有代表性。
The vehicle that I convoyed in into Iraq, I was in the a back of a vehicle that had a pine box around it with sandbags in the middle of it.
我护送到伊拉克的那辆车，我坐在一辆车的后座上，周围有一个松木箱，中间有沙袋。
And they said that they hoped that they might slow the bullets down.
他们说希望可以减慢子弹的速度。
They didn't have any hopes that it would actually stop a bullet, but it might actually slow it down and reduce the damage that it would do to you.
他们并不希望它能真正阻止子弹，但它实际上可能会减慢子弹的速度并减少它对你造成的伤害。
So it certainly wasn't comforting to be convoying into Iraq in those type of vehicles.
因此，乘坐这种类型的车辆护送进入伊拉克肯定令人不舒服。
We were promised up-armor kits.
我们被承诺提供装甲套件。
We didn't get them.
我们没有得到它们。
And so we're going to go ahead and try to fabricate something.
所以我们要继续尝试制造一些东西。
Thank you sir.
谢谢先生。
Man You think we could use some of this stuff?
伙计，你认为我们可以使用一些这些东西吗？
What follows next is soldiers in the most powerful army in the history of man scrounging in scrap heaps for sheets of iron to weld to the doors and floorboards of their own vehicles.
接下来是人类历史上最强大的军队中的士兵们在废品堆中寻找铁片，以焊接到自己车辆的门和地板上。
We're trying to use as much of the metal as we can, of the steel.
我们正在尝试尽可能多地使用金属，即钢材。
But we only have a limited supply of it.
但我们的供应有限。
So we have to resort to these old bulletproof vests.
所以我们不得不求助于这些旧的防弹背心。
And honestly, I don't feel too comfortable with doing that.
老实说，我对此感到不太舒服。
But we've got to do what we've got to do, man.
但我们必须做我们必须做的事，伙计。
We've got to use what we can.
我们必须尽我们所能。
That's Matt Hertlein attaching the old armored vest to his truck door for protection.
马特·赫特林 (Matt Hertlein) 将旧的装甲背心固定在卡车门上以提供保护。
When I asked him about this moment in the documentary, he told me--
当我问他纪录片中的这一时刻时，他告诉我——
[LAUGHTER] I think we're just on the bottom of the list.
[笑声]我想我们只是排在名单的最后。
Priority goes to the regular Army, and the Marine Corps, and whoever else.
优先考虑的是正规陆军、海军陆战队以及其他任何人。
We just get whatever's left over.
我们只得到剩下的东西。
It takes three months for the 3,000 person brigade to get armor and all the vehicles that need it.
这个3000人的旅需要三个月的时间才能获得装甲和所有需要的车辆。
They still have some un-armored vehicles.
他们还有一些非装甲车辆。
But those usually don't leave the base.
但那些通常不会离开基地。
Other reservists who have been there less time are not as far along in getting the armor that they need.
其他在那里呆的时间较少的预备役军人并没有那么早获得他们需要的装甲。
And the Army Times reported last month that it will be June before all the trucks and Humvees in Iraq all have proper armor.
《陆军时报》上个月报道称，要到六月，伊拉克的所有卡车和悍马车才会配备适当的装甲。
A third still lack it, 11,000 vehicles.
三分之一仍然缺乏，即 11,000 辆。
Again, here's Sergeant Joe Betts, the 42-year-old minister that we started our story with.
再次，这位是乔·贝茨中士，我们故事的开头就是这位 42 岁的部长。
We wasn't armored the way we should have been armored going into Iraq.
我们没有按照进入伊拉克时应有的装甲方式进行装甲防护。
And did that make everybody mad?
这让每个人都生气了吗？
Were you mad?
你生气了吗？
Now over a half a year after all that, in December, National Guardsmen from Tennessee brought up this exact problem with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in this town meeting they held over there.
半年后，12 月，来自田纳西州的国民警卫队士兵在当地举行的城镇会议上向国防部长唐纳德·拉姆斯菲尔德提出了这个确切的问题。
Exactly.
确切地。
And I did see that.
我确实看到了。
Ira Glass Now, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said that they're getting out the armored vehicles as quickly as they can.
国防部长拉姆斯菲尔德表示，他们正在尽快撤出装甲车。
And he said, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want.
他说，你用你拥有的军队去打仗，而不是你想要的军队。
What do you think of that?
你对此有何看法？
Well, actually, that is true.
嗯，事实上，确实如此。
You do go to war with the army you have.
你确实会带着你的军队去打仗。
But prior to us going to war, they knew we was going.
但在我们参战之前，他们就知道我们要参战。
They had already talked about us going.
他们已经讨论过我们要去的事了。
So why didn't they do something about the up-armament that we needed prior to going to war?
那么他们为什么不在我们开战前加强军备呢？
But they didn't anticipate that there were going to be these insurgents at this level.
但他们没有想到，叛乱分子竟然达到了这种程度。
They didn't necessarily know that there was going to be a need for it.
他们不一定知道会有这样的需要。
Oh yeah.
哦，是的。
Any time you go to war, you need armor.
每当你参加战争时，你都需要盔甲。
So that's not something that even in World War I, II, they knew they needed armor.
因此，即使在第一次世界大战和第二次世界大战中，他们也不知道自己需要装甲。
You don't go to war thinking that you're going to go out there with no armor on, and you're not going to get hurt.
你不会以为自己会不穿盔甲就去打仗，也不会受伤。
So to me, for them to just send us over there and say that you don't need this gear, you don't need this up-armor on your vehicles is saying that I don't care about the soldiers.
所以对我来说，他们把我们派到那里并说你们不需要这些装备，你们的车辆不需要这种升级装甲，这就是说我不关心士兵。
That's what it says to me.
这就是它对我说的。
The day they actually drive from Kuwait into Iraq, things change for the Arkansas brigade, in a number of ways.
当他们真正从科威特驶入伊拉克的那一天，阿肯色旅的情况在很多方面都发生了变化。
Today's the day.
今天就是这一天。
This is our first interaction with the Iraqis.
这是我们与伊拉克人的第一次互动。
Be polite, be professional, and be prepared to kill.
要有礼貌，要专业，并做好杀人的准备。
We're in transition phase right now.
我们现在正处于过渡阶段。
We go from the training, the game, to the Super Bowl, to the war.
我们从训练、比赛、超级碗到战争。
This is Lieutenant Brian Mason, who you heard earlier yelling at guys.
这是布莱恩·梅森中尉，你之前听到他对着其他人大喊大叫。
Now they're sitting on bunks, listening, attentive, worried-looking.
现在他们坐在铺位上，专注地听着，一脸担忧。
So you guys need to put on your game face, right here, right now.
所以你们需要在此时此地摆出一副游戏的表情。
These Iraqis, they know who we are.
这些伊拉克人，他们知道我们是谁。
They know you're National Guardsmen.
他们知道你是国民警卫队成员。
Yeah, they're going to target you, because they think you're just a bunch of lazy, fat National Guardsmen who don't know how to do their job.
是的，他们会针对你，因为他们认为你只是一群又懒又胖的国民警卫队士兵，不知道如何做好自己的工作。
Welcome to Baghdad.
欢迎来到巴格达。
Keep your eyes open.
睁大眼睛。
This is Joe, the minister, in a convoy into Iraq.
这是乔，部长，在车队中进入伊拉克。
I've been here for about 10 minutes, and I already know I hate Baghdad.
我在这里呆了大约十分钟，我已经知道我讨厌巴格达。
I hate the country.
我讨厌这个国家。
I don't want to be here.
我不想呆在这里。
I hear that.
我听到了。
Joe Betts Hertlein, just got a mortar round fired.
乔·贝茨·赫特林 (Joe Betts Hertlein) 刚刚发射迫击炮弹。
A mortar round was just fired.
刚刚发射了一发迫击炮弹。
Welcome home, guys.
欢迎回家，伙计们。
Camp Cooke.
库克营地。
1 day down, 364 days to go.
倒计时 1 天，还有 364 天。
Filmmaker Craig Renaud.
电影制片人克雷格·雷诺。
Craig Renaud Well, the very first day that this brigade arrived to the base, there was an Arkansas National Guard soldier killed within the first 10 hours.
Craig Renaud 嗯，这个旅到达基地的第一天，10个小时内就有一名阿肯色州国民警卫队士兵被杀。
A mortar came in.
一门迫击炮进来了。
I would say as a whole, that's where you really saw people realize that this is for real.
我想说，总的来说，这就是你真正看到人们意识到这是真的的地方。
Of course, my unit, unfortunately, took the first National Guard casualty from the entire brigade.
当然，我的部队不幸地承受了全旅第一个国民警卫队伤亡。
Again, Sergeant David Short, who commands a combat unit, talking to me from Iraq.
指挥一支战斗部队的大卫·肖特中士再次从伊拉克与我交谈。
And we had been here one day.
有一天我们来过这里。
We got hit with a rocket attack, and it killed Sergeant Labadie, and it seriously wounded Sergeant [?
我们遭到火箭袭击，拉巴迪中士被炸死，拉巴迪中士受重伤[？
Leisure.
闲暇。
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The thing about a brigade like this with the Arkansas National Guard, all those guys that we were following knew that first soldier that was killed.
像阿肯色州国民警卫队这样的旅，我们跟踪的所有人都知道第一个被杀的士兵。
And the minute he was killed, everybody's demeanor changed, and everybody knew this was for real.
当他被杀的那一刻，每个人的神情都变了，每个人都知道这是真的。
I don't know.
我不知道。
At least in the unit we were with, it seemed like a lot of guys weren't taking it that seriously until that happened.
至少在我们所在的单位，似乎很多人在这件事发生之前都没有认真对待这件事。
Two days later, another soldier was killed.
两天后，另一名士兵被杀。
I happened to be at the motor pool when they brought that vehicle back in.
当他们把那辆车开回来时，我碰巧在汽车池里。
I saw the medic get out, completely covered in blood.
我看到医生浑身是血，从车里出来。
Right.
正确的。
He got killed in an ambush of a Humvee.
他在一辆悍马车的伏击中丧生。
Exactly, in an ambush.
准确的说，是遭遇埋伏。
David Short The windshield shattered when the IED went off.
大卫·肖特（David Short） 简易爆炸装置爆炸时，挡风玻璃碎裂了。
This was the last place that Sergeant Del Greco was.
这是德尔格列柯中士最后呆过的地方。
This is Sergeant Short in footage from the movie, standing in front of the shot-up vehicle with his men.
这是电影镜头中的肖特中士，他和他的手下站在被击中的车辆前。
Matt and Tommy are there, looking stunned, vulnerable.
马特和汤米在那里，看上去很震惊，很脆弱。
I hope it gets real for you guys, I really do.
我希望这对你们来说是真实的，我真的如此。
Because this is very difficult for me.
因为这对我来说非常困难。
Because I love every one of these guys in this troop.
因为我爱这支队伍中的每一个人。
And everybody means something.
每个人都有意义。
And we're all here.
我们都在这里。
And there's nothing that we can do to change it.
我们无能为力改变它。
It's not worth it.
这是不值得的。
But we're here.
但我们在这里。
And we got a mission to do.
我们有一个使命要做。
And we're going to keep doing it.
我们将继续这样做。
I'm going to take it to them.
我要把它带给他们。
I'm going to take the fight to them.
我要和他们战斗。
And I'm going to try to eradicate every one of these people that I can off of the face of the earth, because they've taken people of mine away from me.
我将尽我所能将这些人从地球上消灭掉，因为他们把我的人从我身边夺走了。
And I'll see that justice is done for them, for nobody else but ourselves.
我会看到正义为他们伸张，除了我们自己，没有其他人。
I just hope that everybody's prepared for it, because it's ugly out there.
我只是希望每个人都做好准备，因为外面的情况很丑陋。
This footage in the documentary of you talking to your troops about it, they all look pretty shaken up as you're saying this stuff to them.
纪录片中你和你的部队谈论这件事的镜头，当你对他们说这些话时，他们看起来都非常震惊。
Did some of them come and talk to you about it later?
他们中的一些人后来有来找你谈论这件事吗？
Yeah.
是的。
I had a lot of people come to me and say, look, what do I do?
很多人来找我说，看，我该怎么办？
I'm terrified.
我很害怕。
I don't want to go outside here.
我不想到外面去。
I'm consumed with fear.
我被恐惧吞噬了。
I had one young man come to me and tell me that he had lost all his faith, that he was saved.
有一位年轻人来找我，告诉我他已经失去了所有的信心，他已经得救了。
His father was a pastor.
他的父亲是一位牧师。
He had been a Christian all his life.
他一生都是基督徒。
He said, I've lost my salvation.
他说，我已经失去了救赎。
I can't deal with this.
我无法处理这个。
And so there was a lot of time spent talking to people, reassuring them, praying with them, praying for them.
因此，我们花了很多时间与人们交谈，安抚他们，与他们一起祈祷，为他们祈祷。
Yeah, what do you say to somebody when they tell you something like that?
是的，当别人告诉你这样的事情时，你会对他们说什么？
What can help them?
什么可以帮助他们？
Well, the main thing that I had to do, and it was something that I had to reach deep down inside, was to show them that regardless of what happens, I was going to be there.
嗯，我必须做的主要事情，也是我必须深入内心深处的事情，就是向他们表明，无论发生什么，我都会在那里。
We're going to go out there.
我们要去那里。
We're going to do this together.
我们将一起做这件事。
I was going to be there.
我本来会去那里的。
What happens next is that the guys turn it around.
接下来发生的事情是这些人扭转了局面。
They totally step up to the jobs they were sent to do.
他们全力以赴地完成他们被派去做的工作。
They work well together.
他们合作得很好。
They look out for each other.
他们互相照顾。
Matt turns out to be one of the best gunners in the group.
事实证明，马特是该小组中最好的枪手之一。
In 10 months, no other Guardsmen from Clarksville have died.
十个月内，克拉克斯维尔没有其他卫兵死亡。
And people don't complain.
人们不会抱怨。
There's barely any complaining anymore, unless something very unusual happens.
除非发生非常不寻常的事情，否则几乎不再有任何抱怨。
Here's Craig and then Brent Renaud.
这是克雷格，然后是布伦特·雷诺。
As the deployment goes along, and as the film follows this deployment, they find out, just like the rest of the country did, things about 9/11 and the investigations that they were doing.
随着部署的进行，随着电影跟随这一部署，他们像全国其他人一样发现了有关 9/11 的事情以及他们正在进行的调查。
There was actually a day when I was with them in Iraq, where the Stars and Stripes, which is the military newspaper that comes out, the front page was about the 9/11 panel commission, and the hearings, and there not being a link between Iraq and 9/11.
事实上有一天我和他们一起在伊拉克，当时出版的军事报纸《星条旗报》的头版是关于 9/11 小组委员会和听证会的，而且伊拉克和 9/11 之间没有任何联系。
And they were shocked when they read that.
当他们读到这篇文章时感到震惊。
And what would they say?
他们会说什么？
They're patriotic guys, so they're doing their duty and all that, want to support the President.
他们是爱国者，所以他们正在履行自己的职责，想要支持总统。
But what's that do to them to see that?
但看到这一点对他们有什么影响呢？
Since then, I think, maybe, they wished they had toned it down a little bit.
从那时起，我想，也许，他们希望能稍微缓和一点。
But at that particular time, they said, we're angry.
但他们说，在那个特定的时刻，我们很生气。
We were fooled.
我们被愚弄了。
And we feel betrayed.
我们感到被背叛了。
And we're over here, risking our lives, and it's not what we thought it was, and that people were dying for something that they weren't sure if it was going to accomplish anything.
我们在这里，冒着生命危险，但事情并不是我们想象的那样，人们正在为某件事而死，但他们不确定这是否会完成任何事情。
Throughout this whole documentary, the Arkansas Guardsmen show this mix of doubts about their mission and a willingness to suspend those doubts and follow orders.
在整部纪录片中，阿肯色州卫兵表现出对他们的使命的怀疑，以及愿意搁置这些怀疑并遵守命令的意愿。
When I asked Matt if he's hopeful about the way things work out in Iraq, he says, sure, they're definitely trying to help people there.
当我问马特他对伊拉克的局势是否抱有希望时，他说，当然，他们肯定正在努力帮助那里的人们。
Even Joe, who thinks there was no reason to go to war in the first place, is convinced that God must have some plan, some good reason of his own for putting Americans in Iraq.
即使是乔，他认为一开始就没有理由发动战争，但也相信上帝一定有某种计划，有他自己的一些充分理由让美国人进入伊拉克。
Here's what Sergeant Short thinks.
以下是肖特中士的想法。
I don't want to say that it's a lost cause, because I've lost good friends over here.
我不想说这是一个失败的原因，因为我在这里失去了好朋友。
And for me to say that would mean that they died for nothing.
如果我这么说就意味着他们白白死了。
But it's very disheartening to me, because I work with the Iraqi National Guard.
但这让我非常沮丧，因为我与伊拉克国民警卫队一起工作。
I've worked with the the new Iraqi Army.
我曾在新的伊拉克军队工作过。
I've worked with the Iraqi police force.
我曾在伊拉克警察部队工作过。
And you've got the three security forces for this country that are in no way on the same sheet of music.
这个国家的三支安全部队绝不是在同一张乐谱上。
They do not like each other.
他们互相不喜欢对方。
They do not trust each other.
他们互相不信任。
And their heart's not in it.
而他们的心不在其中。
And a lot of times, it's just very frustrating, because they just don't seem to care, one way or another.
很多时候，这非常令人沮丧，因为他们似乎不在乎，不管怎样。
Filmmaker Brent Renaud.
电影制片人布伦特·雷诺。
Brent Renaud I was out with the armed patrol the other day, and one of the Iraqi translators, as we were going up and down the road, we were talking to the local people and asking them, who was putting these roadside bombs out into the road.
布伦特·雷诺（Brent Renaud）前几天，我和武装巡逻队一起外出，其中一名伊拉克翻译，当我们在路上走来走去时，我们与当地人交谈并询问他们是谁将这些路边炸弹放在路上。
And the locals said, it's the Americans putting them out there, because they're trying to destabilize our country.
当地人说，是美国人把他们放在那里的，因为他们想破坏我们国家的稳定。
As we went along the road, person after person was saying this same thing, which is very upsetting to the soldiers, because people in their unit had been killed by the roadside bombs.
一路上，一个又一个的人都在说着同样的话，这让士兵们很不高兴，因为他们部队的人都被路边炸弹炸死了。
Joe Betts, the minister, says that being in Iraq has made him question his faith many times.
部长乔·贝茨 (Joe Betts) 表示，在伊拉克的经历让他多次质疑自己的信仰。
He talks openly in the film about how the deployment is ruining his life, causing trouble in his marriage.
他在影片中公开谈论这次部署如何毁了他的生活，给他的婚姻带来麻烦。
Before he left for Iraq, he had some problems with neck, muscle spasms that were aggravated by all the weight that they were constantly carrying around in the military.
在前往伊拉克之前，他有一些颈部和肌肉痉挛的问题，而这些问题又因他们在军队中经常背负的重量而加剧。
Then a month into his deployment, he got this tingling and numbness in his arms and his fingers.
服役一个月后，他的手臂和手指感到刺痛和麻木。
It reached a point where he couldn't hold up his gun.
已经到了他拿不住枪的地步。
And doctors said that a disc in his spine was out of place.
医生说他的脊椎椎间盘错位了。
They looked at me, did x-rays, said, hey, we need to get you out of here, sent me to Landstuhl in Germany.
他们看着我，做了 X 光检查，说，嘿，我们需要让你离开这里，然后把我送到德国的兰施图尔。
They looked at me and said, you're on your way home, bud.
他们看着我说，你正在回家的路上，伙计。
The down side to me is coming home is I'm not in Iraq with my guys.
对我来说，回家的缺点是我不能和我的队员们一起在伊拉克。
That's my downside.
这就是我的缺点。
And the downside again is that I have to hear all the bullcrap from people that don't understand what I'm going through.
另一个缺点是，我必须听到那些不理解我正在经历的事情的人的胡言乱语。
What are you talking about?
你在说什么？
Joe Betts There's "if you didn't get hit with a shrapnel, you shouldn't be at home," you understand?
乔·贝茨：“如果你没有被弹片击中，你就不应该在家，”你明白吗？
People say this to you?
人们对你这么说？
Joe Betts Yeah.
乔·贝茨 是的。
If your arm isn't broke, you didn't get shot, so why are you at home?
如果你的手臂没有骨折，你就没有中枪，那你为什么在家里？
As they show in the film, he's actually quite hurt, in physical pain.
正如电影中所展示的那样，他实际上受到了很大的伤害，身体上感到疼痛。
Doctors locate the problems in MRIs and in x-rays.
医生通过 MRI 和 X 光检查来定位问题。
But in Iraq, Joe had been so vocal about how he didn't want to be there.
但在伊拉克，乔直言不讳地表示他不想在那里。
He was more vocal than anybody we see.
他比我们见过的任何人都更敢于发声。
Some guys now think that he was just trying to get home early.
现在有些人认为他只是想早点回家。
Here's Matt Hertlein.
这是马特·赫特林的报道。
A lot of people believe that that he faked the injury to go home because he was having problems with his wife.
很多人认为，他假装受伤回家是因为他和妻子有问题。
And what do you think?
你觉得怎么样？
Matt Hertlein I don't know.
马特·赫特林 我不知道。
I don't know for sure.
我不确定。
No. Joe Betts It bothered me in the beginning that they looked at me as if I was a deserter.
不，乔·贝茨 一开始，他们看着我，就像我是一个逃兵一样，这让我很困扰。
It's crazy.
太疯狂了。
Basically, I try not to go anywhere that much, because I don't really like dealing with public.
基本上，我尽量不去太多地方，因为我不太喜欢与公众打交道。
And basically, that's all they want to talk about.
基本上，这就是他们想要谈论的一切。
So I just, I try not to, but I can't keep from it, because I got two girls that plays basketball.
所以我只是，我尽量不这样做，但我无法阻止，因为我有两个打篮球的女孩。
And so I'm out there all the time.
所以我一直都在外面。
Wow.
哇。
So you're at their games in this small town, so all these people you'd rather not be having to deal with, you have to deal with.
所以你在这个小镇上观看他们的比赛，所以所有这些你不想打交道的人，你都必须打交道。
Right, exactly.
对，完全正确。
Ira Glass And the guys in your unit, what kind of attitude are you getting from them?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：还有你们单位的人，你们从他们那里得到了什么样的态度？
At first, I was given negative attitudes from them, very negative.
起初，他们对我的态度很消极，非常消极。
Because they would come home on leave, and no one would call me.
因为他们放假回家，没有人给我打电话。
They wouldn't call to say, hi, or anything.
他们不会打电话打招呼，或者其他什么。
To me, that bothered me.
对我来说，这让我很烦恼。
I didn't understand that.
我不明白。
And then I had even my platoon sergeant, he came home, didn't call me.
然后我什至连我的排中士都回家了，没有给我打电话。
I called a few of them that I knew was in.
我给其中一些我知道的人打了电话。
They didn't return my call.
他们没有回我的电话。
It was frustrating for me.
这让我很沮丧。
I didn't understand it.
我不明白。
I thought that they was just faulting me for being home.
我以为他们只是因为我在家而责怪我。
And actually, I found out, some of them really was.
事实上，我发现，其中一些确实是。
The people signed up for the regular Army, or the Air Force, or the Navy, they and their families know that it's going to take over their lives.
人们报名加入正规陆军、空军或海军，他们和他们的家人知道这将接管他们的生活。
They're going to move from base to base.
他们将从一个基地转移到另一个基地。
They might go to war and have to deal with that.
他们可能会陷入战争并不得不应对这一问题。
The National Guard is different.
国民警卫队则不同。
And much of this documentary series ends up being about people, complete families, who never expected to go to war, and what war does to them.
这部纪录片系列的大部分内容最终都是关于人们、完整的家庭，他们从未想过要参加战争，以及战争对他们造成的影响。
Matt's mother cries on the phone with him.
马特的母亲在电话里和他一起哭泣。
He grows up amazingly fast.
他成长得快得惊人。
Sergeant Short ends up proud of the work he does in Iraq, keeping his men safe.
肖特中士最终为他在伊拉克所做的工作感到自豪，保护了他的士兵的安全。
And for Joe, who was re-endlisted against his will, after all, it's hurt his marriage, given him permanent injury, and he lost his church.
对于乔来说，他在违背自己意愿的情况下被重新列入名单，毕竟，这损害了他的婚姻，给他带来了永久性的伤害，并且他失去了教堂。
When he was away, attendance dropped to seven people.
当他离开时，出席人数下降到七人。
And then, nobody was coming to services anymore.
然后，就再也没有人来参加礼拜了。
Until his unit's deployment is finished, and the rest of them come back from Iraq, his job every day is to go to the National Guard armory, where he and two other injured guys do some paperwork, when there's paperwork to do.
在他的部队部署完成，其余人从伊拉克回来之前，他每天的工作就是去国民警卫队军械库，他和另外两个受伤的人在那里做一些文书工作，当有文书工作要做时。
They sit by the phone.
他们坐在电话旁。
They answer it when it rings.
当铃声响起时，他们就会接听。
He reads the paper.
他读报纸。
He started reading some technical manuals to pass the time.
他开始阅读一些技术手册来打发时间。
The phone doesn't ring much.
电话铃声不大。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "TENDER COMRADE" BY BILLY BRAGG]
[音乐播放 - 比利·布拉格的《温柔的同志》]
Coming up, the Battle of Fallujah.
费卢杰之战即将到来。
At the end of it, Marines wondered if this was one for the history books, if this is one that they would teach someday.
最后，海军陆战队员想知道这是否会被载入历史书，是否是他们有一天会教授的内容。
When you hear one lieutenant describe what his men did, you'll understand why.
当您听到一位中尉描述他的部下所做的事情时，您就会明白原因。
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, we try to begin to answer a very simple question.
今天在我们的节目中，我们尝试开始回答一个非常简单的问题。
What's it really like for American soldiers in Iraq?
美国士兵在伊拉克的真实感受如何？
We've arrived at Act Two of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, Marine Life.
第二幕，海洋生物。
In this act, the most basic story that we rarely hear about war, what it's really like to fight on the ground, house to house.
在这一幕中，我们很少听到关于战争的最基本的故事，即在地面上挨家挨户地战斗到底是什么样的。
Rob Miller is a first lieutenant in the Marine Corps, commanding a weapons platoon of about 40 guys in Charlie Company.
罗布·米勒 (Rob Miller) 是海军陆战队的一名中尉，指挥查理连一个约 40 人的武器排。
He's 30 years old.
他今年 30 岁了。
He loves the Marines.
他热爱海军陆战队。
He's been a marine for a decade.
他当海军陆战队已经十年了。
In early November, Rob led his men in the Battle of Fallujah.
11月初，罗布率领部下参加了费卢杰之战。
After it was over, he talked with his uncle, Jack Hitt, by satellite phone from a camp east of the city.
比赛结束后，他在城东的一个营地通过卫星电话与叔叔杰克·希特进行了交谈。
A quick word of explanation about some of the terms that Rob uses.
对 Rob 使用的一些术语进行简短的解释。
Devil dogs and devils are Marines.
魔鬼狗和魔鬼都是海军陆战队。
Psy-ops are psychological operations.
心理战是心理战。
IED, of course, is Improvised Explosive Device, the booby-trap bombs that have caused the most casualties in Iraq.
当然，简易爆炸装置是简易爆炸装置，是在伊拉克造成最多伤亡的诱杀炸弹。
Good morning, Fallujah.
早上好，费卢杰。
Rob Miller So, Jack, [UNINTELLIGIBLE], how are you doing?
罗布·米勒 那么，杰克，[无法辨认]，你好吗？
How are you?
你好吗？
Rob Miller I'm doing pretty good.
罗布·米勒 我做得很好。
I'm trying to light a cigarette.
我正试图点一支烟。
Right when I went on emergency leave, I ended up smoking again.
就在我紧急休假时，我又开始抽烟了。
And then Fallujah's like, it doesn't deny of your nicotine habits.
费卢杰就像，它并没有否认你的尼古丁习惯。
It's like a mandatory.
这就像强制性的。
So people who don't smoke, now smoke.
所以以前不抽烟的人现在也抽烟了。
People that used to dip now dip and smoke.
以前泡澡的人现在泡澡抽烟。
I say, I was absolutely out of cigarettes.
我说，我已经彻底戒烟了。
And we had Marines that were coming up with these little Iraqi cigarettes.
我们的海军陆战队员正在研制这些伊拉克小香烟。
Because we were paying the interpreters to get cigarettes for all the Marines.
因为我们付钱给口译员为所有海军陆战队员买香烟。
And lo and behold, my old buddy friggin' sent me a package.
你瞧，我的老朋友给我寄了一个包裹。
And then it was like six packs of cigarettes.
然后就像六包香烟一样。
And all he wrote was, I started smoking in Fallujah when I went.
他只写了，我去费卢杰的时候就开始抽烟了。
Here's some smokes for you.
这是给你的一些烟。
I'm like, oh my God.
我想，天哪。
Today's pretty laid-back.
今天的日子还算悠闲。
All my guys are out in the old firm base.
我所有的人都在老基地里。
And we're still hardening the firm bases.
我们仍在巩固坚实的基础。
It's pretty funny.
这很有趣。
We go to these places, and we harden these firm bases.
我们去这些地方，巩固这些坚实的基础。
And you fill, I don't know, 10,00, 15,000 sandbags.
你填了，我不知道，10,00，15,000 个沙袋。
You lay 200 rolls of Concertina wire.
您铺设了 200 卷六角形铁丝。
You put out trip flares, fill the earthen berms.
你点燃旅行照明弹，填满土坡。
With Charlie Company, specifically, we do that for 7 to 10 days, and then they say, hey, you're moving.
具体来说，对于查理公司，我们会这样做 7 到 10 天，然后他们说，嘿，你要搬家了。
You're like, oh, you're kidding me.
你就像，哦，你在跟我开玩笑。
Then you turn it over to somebody else.
然后你把它交给别人。
And they're like, hey, nice firm base.
他们就像，嘿，坚实的基础。
You're welcome, bastard.
不客气，混蛋。
So you were doing this house-to-house clearing stuff.
所以你正在挨家挨户地清理工作。
This is what we're seeing on our TVs here.
这就是我们在电视上看到的。
Oh yes.
哦是的。
This is pretty crazy.
这太疯狂了。
We push from the north part of the city through the breach on foot, all the way to the center of the city.
我们从城北步行穿过突破口，一直到城中心。
And anywhere you went, you'd look out a window, and a sniper would try to shoot you.
无论你走到哪里，你都会向窗外看，狙击手会试图向你开枪。
Every time you moved, you don't just walk across.
每次你搬家时，你不只是走过去。
You don't walk anywhere.
你哪儿也不走。
Everywhere you go, you're moving to get behind cover, even if it's a telephone pole.
无论你走到哪里，你都会躲到掩体后面，即使是电线杆。
Telephone pole, if that's all you've got, that's good cover, if that's all you got.
电线杆，如果这就是你所拥有的，那就是很好的掩护，如果这就是你所拥有的。
I saw tons of Marines hide behind gutters in the roads, shooting from underneath gutters.
我看到大量的海军陆战队员躲在道路的排水沟后面，从排水沟下面射击。
Four inches of cover, that's nothing.
四英寸厚，没什么。
But if all you've got's four inches, four inches is beautiful.
但如果你只有四英寸，那么四英寸就很漂亮了。
The whole first night, we went basically two blocks the whole first night.
整个第一个晚上，我们基本上走了两个街区。
Can you describe what was it like?
你能描述一下那是什么样的吗？
What did you do?
你做了什么？
Well they had the first day of the initial bombing.
好吧，他们经历了最初轰炸的第一天。
And it was actually really good.
事实上真的很好。
We sat all day.
我们坐了一整天。
And we watched the city just being bombarded.
我们看着这座城市刚刚被轰炸。
They were hitting targets.
他们正在击中目标。
They were hitting key fortifications.
他们正在攻击关键的防御工事。
And people were moving around.
人们四处走动。
They were hitting them.
他们正在打他们。
JDAMs, laser-guided bombs.
JDAM，激光制导炸弹。
And so we sat all day.
就这样我们坐了一整天。
There was this symphony of destruction.
这是一首毁灭的交响曲。
And it just played out until it got dark.
直到天黑才结束。
And then when it got dark, it's like, all right.
然后天黑了，就好像，好吧。
Now that it's dark, it's time for the grunts to go in.
现在天已经黑了，是时候让咕噜们进去了。
But yeah, the first night we went in, going through the breach, this was pretty weird.
但是，是的，我们进去的第一个晚上，穿过缺口，这很奇怪。
We had psy-ops behind us.
我们身后有心理战人员。
And they're blaring music into the city.
他们正在向这座城市吹奏刺耳的音乐。
It's just huge speakers are screaming music into the city.
只是巨大的扬声器正在向城市里尖叫着音乐。
What music?
什么音乐？
Rob Miller I don't know what the tune was, from Full Metal Jacket.
罗布·米勒（Rob Miller） 我不知道《全金属外壳》中的曲子是什么。
At the very end of Full Metal Jacket, they're walking through Saigon, I think it is, or, it's one of the big battles at the end of the movie.
在《全金属外壳》的最后，他们走过西贡，我认为这是，或者，这是电影结尾的一场大战。
And they're on patrol.
而且他们正在巡逻。
And there's this funky '70s music going.
还有 70 年代的时髦音乐。
And that's what they were blaring, as I crossed the breach.
当我越过缺口时，他们就发出这样的声音。
And all I could think of was Full Metal Jacket.
我能想到的就是全金属外壳。
And I was like, you got to be kidding me.
我当时想，你一定是在开玩笑吧。
You're playing that while I'm crossing this breach?
当我跨越这个缺口时你正在玩这个？
That's not what I want to hear.
这不是我想听的。
"Let the Bodies Hit the Floor," that's a good one, really fast-paced.
《让尸体落地》那首很好，节奏非常快。
But yeah, they were just playing crazy stuff.
但是，是的，他们只是在玩疯狂的东西。
And they've got some kind of method.
他们有某种方法。
I don't know how it works.
我不知道它是如何工作的。
It was definitely annoying me.
这绝对让我很恼火。
I can't imagine what it was doing to the bad guys.
我无法想象它对坏人做了什么。
Yeah, we were pushing into the city.
是的，我们正在进城。
Even on certain days, you push into the city.
即使在某些日子里，你也会冲进城市。
And as you progress further, the mosques would be screaming for people to rise up.
当你进一步前进时，清真寺会尖叫着要求人们起来。
And there was one, it was the middle of the night.
还有一次，那是半夜。
And we were pushing through these alleys to push forward.
我们穿过这些小巷继续前进。
And I just remember this mosque, the guy on the speaker was just screaming.
我只记得这座清真寺，扩音器里的那个人只是在尖叫。
He was just like yelling in Arabic, a-la-la-la-la.
他就像在用阿拉伯语大喊“a-la-la-la-la”。
And he's like, ha-la-la-la jihad, ha-la-la-la jihad, jihad, jihad.
他就像，哈拉拉拉圣战，哈拉拉拉圣战，圣战，圣战。
Ha-la-la-la-la, jihad.
哈啦啦啦啦，圣战。
And I was like, God, will somebody shoot those speakers.
我当时就想，上帝啊，会有人开枪射击那些扬声器吗？
10 minutes later, there was just this mass of gunfire, and all the speakers went silent, because they shot all the speakers.
10分钟后，枪声大作，所有扬声器都安静了，因为他们开枪射击了所有扬声器。
The fourth day into the fight, we went from the-- I was at the [?
战斗的第四天，我们从——我在[？
al-Hidra ?] mosque with my mortars.
al-Hidra ？] 清真寺与我的迫击炮。
And we got the word we were pushing to the mayor's complex, which is right in the center of the city.
我们得到消息，我们正前往位于市中心的市长大楼。
And we pushed to the mayor's complex in tracks.
我们沿着轨道驶向市长大楼。
And we were maybe less than 100 meters between where the tracks dropped us off and the building we had to go to.
我们从铁轨下车的地方到我们要去的大楼之间的距离可能不到 100 米。
And our foot movement from there, it was basically a sprint, our sprint from the track all the way to the building.
从那里开始，我们的脚步运动基本上是一次冲刺，我们从跑道一直冲刺到建筑物。
And we had snipers trying to peg us the whole way.
一路上都有狙击手试图盯住我们。
Just rounds zinging by, hitting the dirt.
只是子弹呼啸而过，击中泥土。
And we got into this building, and that's when we found out that the entire mayor's complex was surrounded by snipers.
当我们进入这座大楼时，我们发现整个市长大楼都被狙击手包围了。
And they were just pinging at anybody that could frickin' walk in the open.
他们只是对任何能在户外行走的人进行探测。
So we initially took all our extra mortar ammunition, and each mortar can probably weighs, I don't know, 30 to 40 pounds.
所以我们一开始就带上了所有额外的迫击炮弹药，每枚迫击炮的重量可能是，我不知道，30到40磅。
We have our Marines divvy up.
我们已经将我们的海军陆战队分开了。
And they're carrying mortar rounds in their pack.
他们的背包里还带着迫击炮弹。
And then we have an extra, probably, 8, 10 cans that we're taking into combat.
然后我们还有额外的，可能是 8、10 个罐子，我们将带入战斗。
So we tie these things onto these huge D9 tractors.
所以我们把这些东西绑在这些巨大的 D9 拖拉机上。
And we cinch them down.
然后我们将它们收紧。
And everything was good until we go through the breach and one of the D9s gets stuck in this huge mud bog.
一切都很好，直到我们穿过缺口，其中一架 D9 陷入了这个巨大的泥沼中。
It sinks, because it's so heavy.
它会沉下去，因为它太重了。
And so we got to send people back into the breach to get our ammo.
所以我们必须派人回到突破口去获取弹药。
But the problem was, when they pulled it off the first D9, they cut the straps, instead of untying it.
但问题是，当他们把它从第一台 D9 上拉下来时，他们割断了带子，而不是解开它。
However they got it off, they cut it off and they brought it.
不管怎样，他们把它弄下来了，他们把它剪下来，然后把它带来了。
We can't reattach it.
我们无法重新连接它。
So we had to use a casualty stretcher.
所以我们不得不使用伤员担架。
So we use this casualty stretcher, and we heap all of our ammo on it.
所以我们使用了这个伤员担架，并将所有弹药堆放在上面。
So when we move, I got two Marines lugging 200 pounds of ammo.
所以当我们移动时，我让两名海军陆战队员拖着 200 磅的弹药。
You're not moving fast.
你动作不快。
You move across a road in a dead sprint carrying 200 pounds of ammo, the two of you, it's a shuffle.
你们两个人背着 200 磅的弹药，以极快的速度冲过马路，这是一场洗牌。
It's a shuffle.
这是一场洗牌。
You're shuffling across the road, like, don't get shot.
你拖着脚步穿过马路，就像，别被枪杀。
Don't get shot.
别被枪杀。
Don't get shot.
别被枪杀。
Oh, man.
哦，伙计。
By the way, were you ever scared?
顺便问一下，你有害怕过吗？
Well, to a certain degree, yeah.
嗯，在某种程度上，是的。
You're definitely freaked out at certain times.
在某些时候你肯定会感到害怕。
The first night we were moving forward, and it's probably the only time I was ever scared for my company and my battalion, we were pushing forward.
我们前进的第一个晚上，这可能是我唯一一次为我的连和我的营感到害怕，我们在前进。
It's pitch black.
一片漆黑。
There's no moon.
没有月亮。
And it's raining, and it's drizzling.
而且还下着雨，还下着毛毛细雨。
And it's 40 degrees out.
而且是 40 度。
And everybody's freezing.
每个人都冻僵了。
And my unit's pushing forward.
我的部队正在向前推进。
And it's just contact the whole way.
而且全程都是接触。
And all of a sudden, we get the call over the radio, we got a Marine down.
突然，我们通过无线电接到电话，一名海军陆战队员被击落。
We got a Marine down.
我们击落了一名海军陆战队员。
We got IEDs in this alley.
我们在这条小巷里有简易爆炸装置。
An IED just went off.
简易爆炸装置刚刚爆炸。
So two Marines, they went in to get this guy.
于是两名海军陆战队员进去抓这个人。
Boom.
繁荣。
Friggin', these two other guys go down.
妈的，另外两个家伙倒下了。
So now they got three guys in this alley that they think is-- the whole alley is IEDs.
所以现在他们在这条小巷里发现了三个人，他们认为整个小巷都是简易爆炸装置。
And that was the big fear, is that there were just going to be IEDs all across the city.
最让人担心的是，整个城市都会有简易爆炸装置。
I was like, oh my God.
我当时想，天啊。
We're going to take so many casualties.
我们将会造成很多人员伤亡。
It's going to take forever for us to move.
我们要花很长时间才能搬家。
Can we do it?
我们能做到吗？
Sure.
当然。
But it's going to be absolutely horrible.
但这将是绝对可怕的。
At the same time, 3rd platoon had massive contact further down to the east.
与此同时，第3排在东部更远的地方进行了大规模接触。
1st platoon was actually held up, because they were in a massive engagement to our flank, far east.
第一排实际上被困住了，因为他们正在与我们远东侧翼进行大规模交战。
Bravo Company was just shooting all across their line.
布拉沃连刚刚向他们的防线射击。
And I was like, how can they-- they wanted us to push all the way to the Hidra mosque that night.
我当时就想，他们怎么能——他们希望我们那天晚上一路推进到希德拉清真寺。
And I was like, how can they expect us to push to the Hidra mosque.
我当时想，他们怎么能指望我们推进到希德拉清真寺呢。
It's totally non-feasible.
这是完全不可行的。
We got three Marines that are down, and they are wounded.
我们发现三名海军陆战队员倒下了，他们受伤了。
And it was two, three minutes later that the platoon commander came back on.
两三分钟后，排长回来了。
He's like, it wasn't IEDs.
他说，这不是简易爆炸装置。
It wasn't IEDs.
这不是简易爆炸装置。
There's a guy in a second story, and he's frickin' throwing hand grenades in this alley.
第二个故事里有一个人，他正在这条小巷里扔手榴弹。
And so they just light this guy up with everything they own.
所以他们只是用他们拥有的一切来点燃这个家伙。
They're throwing the kitchen sink up at this guy.
他们正把厨房的水槽扔向这个家伙。
They finally kill this guy.
他们终于杀了这个家伙。
And then the same time, our tanks that were attached to us, Panzer, these guys call us.
与此同时，我们附属的坦克，这些人称我们为“装甲车”。
And he's actually on the road facing east.
他实际上是在朝东的路上。
And he's like, when he calls, you can hear his 240 Golf shooting, and his 50-cal shooting.
他就像，当他打电话时，你可以听到他的 240 高尔夫射击和他的 50 口径射击。
And he's just like, oh my God.
他就像，天啊。
He's like, you need to get somebody else down here.
他说，你需要找其他人来这里。
He's like, there's 50 to 60 people retreating from the north to south.
他说，有50到60人从北向南撤退。
And they're just flowing across the road.
他们只是流过马路。
He's like I can't kill them all.
他就像我不能杀掉他们所有人一样。
And he must have killed 30, 35 people.
他一定杀了30、35人。
And he didn't, he couldn't even-- I don't even know if he made a dent.
但他没有，他甚至不能——我什至不知道他是否有所作为。
They were just flowing to the south away from us.
他们只是从我们身边流向南方。
This is your second time in Iraq, correct?
这是您第二次来伊拉克，对吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Jack Hitt Yeah, and the first time, you didn't see combat, anything like this, right?
杰克·希特：是的，第一次，你没有看到战斗，类似这样的东西，对吧？
No, no, no. It was pretty cool.
不，不，不。太酷了。
My platoon was the first Marine unit on the deck in Mosul.
我的排是摩苏尔甲板上的第一个海军陆战队部队。
And so we got there expecting to get off and get into a firefight.
所以我们到了那里，期望下车并陷入交火。
But it wasn't like that.
但事实并非如此。
It wasn't anything like Fallujah.
这一点都不像费卢杰。
It wasn't really out of control.
事情并没有真正失控。
As soon as we got there, CNN showed up.
我们一到那里，CNN 就出现了。
And they were like, the Marines are on the deck in Mosul.
他们就像，海军陆战队在摩苏尔的甲板上。
And then everything quieted down.
然后一切都安静下来。
Everybody was like, oh, US forces are here, good to go.
每个人都说，哦，美军来了，可以出发了。
Everything's good.
一切都很好。
Go home, relax.
回家吧，放松一下。
And I did a lot of missions where I would go and just stand on the road and wave at cars.
我做了很多任务，我会站在路上向汽车挥手。
And I really felt like I was trying to collect money.
我真的觉得我在努力收钱。
Money for the poor.
钱给穷人。
And I'm out there with a gun.
我带着枪在外面。
Now that you've seen combat, would you want to go into it again?
既然您已经看过战斗，您还想再体验一次吗？
Or do you feel like you're cured?
或者你觉得自己已经被治愈了吗？
Yeah.
是的。
It's a good question.
这是一个好问题。
Some people definitely are, they're like, that's it, we're done.
有些人肯定是，他们会说，就这样，我们完成了。
But I don't know.
但我不知道。
It's a tough thing.
这是一件很难的事情。
It's really tough.
真的很难。
Well, now that you-- Rob Miller I will say that now that I've been in pretty intense combat, you could say, I'm like, that's good to go.
好吧，现在你——罗布·米勒（Rob Miller）我会说，既然我已经经历了相当激烈的战斗，你可以说，我想，这很好。
We need to [UNINTELLIGIBLE] dragons, as we say.
正如我们所说，我们需要[难以理解]龙。
We're good.
我们很好。
We need to get our job done and get home.
我们需要完成工作然后回家。
Yeah.
是的。
Right.
正确的。
Did you ever get the boxes we sent you, of food?
您收到我们寄给您的食物盒子了吗？
Oh, I got them.
哦，我明白了。
Yeah, the artichoke hearts?
是啊，洋蓟心？
Yeah, that was great.
是的，那太好了。
It was mostly junk food.
大部分都是垃圾食品。
Rob Miller Oh my God.
罗布·米勒 天哪。
And those artichoke hearts, I was laughing.
还有那些洋蓟心，我在笑。
I was laughing to tears.
我笑到流泪了。
And a foreign observer came in, this lieutenant, and he's like, no way.
一位外国观察员进来了，这位中尉，他说，不可能。
I love artichoke hearts.
我喜欢洋蓟心。
And I was like, well you are in luck, Neville.
我当时想，你很幸运，内维尔。
And I was like, because I've got a whole jar of artichoke hearts that's got your name on it.
我当时想，因为我有一整罐洋蓟心，上面写着你的名字。
And he was like, oh yeah.
他说，哦，是的。
But we get a lot of good stuff.
但我们得到了很多好东西。
We get tons of stuff from kids in schools.
我们从学校的孩子们那里得到了大量的东西。
And we get a lot of crayon drawings that are, you know.
我们得到了很多蜡笔画，你知道。
The marine is this huge person.
海军陆战队是个大人物。
And the Iraqis these little small people.
还有伊拉克人，这些小人物。
And we're throwing hand grenades.
我们还扔手榴弹。
And they're like, run away.
他们就像，逃跑。
We get some, though.
不过我们得到了一些。
Especially when you get into middle school and high school, then you get the political kids.
尤其是当你进入初中和高中时，你就会遇到政治孩子。
The funniest one that comes to my mind was from some youth group out of New York or something.
我想到的最有趣的一个来自纽约的某个青年团体之类的。
They sent us a bunch of stuff.
他们给我们寄了一堆东西。
A couple of them were like, I think President Bush is crazy, and you got to be kidding me, and what are we doing over there.
他们中的一些人说，我认为布什总统疯了，你一定是在开玩笑，我们在那里做什么。
[LAUGHING] Jack Hitt So listen, I have a joke for you.
[笑]杰克·希特听着，我有一个笑话给你听。
I love Black Hawks.
我爱黑鹰队。
But you know who hates them?
但你知道谁讨厌他们吗？
Iraqi sheep farmers.
伊拉克养羊户。
Iraqi sheep farmers hate Black Hawks.
伊拉克牧羊人讨厌黑鹰。
I don't get it.
我不明白。
OK so also on this program is this comic who's been touring in Fallujah.
好的，这个节目中还有这位在费卢杰巡回演出的喜剧演员。
His name is Tom Irwin.
他的名字叫汤姆·欧文。
Oh yeah, no, he was out here, and all the pogues got to watch him, because everybody else was in the field.
哦，是的，不，他在这儿，所有的球员都得看着他，因为其他人都在场上。
That was pretty funny.
那很有趣。
Oh, you didn't see him.
哦，你没看到他。
Rob Miller No. We were in Fallujah.
罗布·米勒 不。我们当时在费卢杰。
I don't know.
我不知道。
It burns up all my boys.
它烧毁了我所有的孩子。
And they always get ticked off at that kind of stuff.
他们总是对这类事情感到恼火。
They're like, why are they doing a show for them?
他们想，为什么要为他们做节目？
They're not getting shot at.
他们不会被枪击。
Wow, well, we can't wait to see you here back home.
哇，好吧，我们迫不及待地想在家里见到你。
I can't wait to get back, see my little boy.
我迫不及待地想回来看看我的小男孩。
Yeah.
是的。
All right, man.
好吧，伙计。
Well, listen, thanks again for all this--
好吧，听着，再次感谢这一切——
--talking to you.
——正在和你说话呢。
Jack Hitt --al this time, yeah.
杰克·希特——这一次，是的。
Be safe, as we say.
正如我们所说，要安全。
That's all we can say from back here.
这就是我们从后面能说的。
But anyway, we can't wait to see you.
但无论如何，我们迫不及待地想见到你。
I'm going to talk to you later.
我稍后再和你谈谈。
Give everybody my love, OK?
给大家我的爱，好吗？
I will.
我会。
All right, Rob.
好吧，罗布。
Rob Miller All right.
罗布·米勒 好吧。
Until then, bye-bye.
到那时，再见。
Ira Glass Marine Lieutenant Rob Miller outside Fallujah, Charlie Company, 1st Battalion, 8th Marines, talking with his uncle, Jack Hitt, one of our regular contributors here at This American Life.
第 8 海军陆战队第 1 营查理连，艾拉·格拉斯海军陆战队中尉罗布·米勒在费卢杰外与他的叔叔杰克·希特交谈，杰克·希特是《美国生活》的定期撰稿人之一。
Our program was produced today by Wendy Dorr and myself with Alex Blumberg, Diane Cook, Jane Feltes, Amy O'Leary, Sarah Koenig, and Lisa Pollak.
今天我们的节目由温迪·多尔和我本人以及亚历克斯·布伦伯格、黛安·库克、简·费尔特斯、艾米·奥利里、莎拉·科尼格和丽莎·波拉克共同制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
For more information about that TV documentary about the National Guardsmen, it's called Off to War.
有关国民警卫队电视纪录片的更多信息，请参阅该纪录片《出发去战争》。
Type that into any search engine and you'll find their website, or go to dctvny.org.
在任何搜索引擎中输入该内容，您都会找到他们的网站，或者访问 dctvny.org。
[ACKNOWLEDGMENTS] Today's program and its archives are available for download at audible.com/thisamericanlife, where you can download other public radio programs and best-selling audiobooks, such as Jon Stewart's America and David Sedaris's Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim.
[鸣谢] 今天的节目及其档案可在 audible.com/thisamericanlife 下载，您可以在其中下载其他公共广播节目和畅销有声读物，例如乔恩·斯图尔特 (Jon Stewart) 的《美国》和大卫·塞达里斯 (David Sedaris) 的《用灯芯绒和牛仔布装扮你的家人》。
That's audible.com/thisamericanlife.
这是 audible.com/thisamericanlife。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight from Mr. Torey Malatia, who has this message for his followers.
[资金来源] Torey Malatia 先生对 WBEZ 进行了管理监督，他向他的追随者传达了这一信息。
Ha-la-la-la-la, jihad.
哈啦啦啦啦，圣战。
Ha-la-la, jihad.
哈啦啦，圣战。
Jihad, jihad.
圣战，圣战。
Ha-la-la, jihad.
哈啦啦，圣战。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。