278: Spies Like Us - This American Life

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Prologue Ira Glass When my friend Jack was 22 he got a job on a small newspaper in Bend, Oregon.

序言 Ira Glass 当我的朋友 Jack 22 岁时，他在俄勒冈州本德的一家小报社找到了一份工作。

Basically he just talked his way into his job through sheer force of personality.

基本上，他只是凭借纯粹的个性力量才进入了工作岗位。

He knew nothing about journalism, or what you're supposed to do in writing a newspaper story.

他对新闻业一无所知，也不知道写报纸故事应该做什么。

One of his first assignments was a local school budget meeting.

他的第一个任务是当地学校的预算会议。

Everybody else's story was 350 words, 600 words.

其他人的故事都是350字、600字。

Mine was 7,000 words.

我的有7000字。

I had just written every word that had occurred at this budget meeting, which was eight hours long.

我刚刚写下了这次长达八小时的预算会议上发生的每一个字。

Like in chronological order.

就像按时间顺序排列一样。

Jack Hitt In chronological order.

杰克·希特 按时间顺序排列。

The meeting began at 9:00 AM.

会议于上午 9:00 开始。

The first issue was how many No. 2 lead pencils to buy from Portland, and could we get a deal from Salem instead?

第一个问题是从波特兰购买多少支2号铅笔，我们可以从塞勒姆得到优惠吗？

Months pass.

几个月过去了。

Jack gets better at this job, has friends in the newsroom.

杰克在这份工作上做得更好，在新闻编辑室里有朋友。

There are people younger and greener getting hired, which might think they're a little better, and he feels like he's getting the hang of things.

有些人更年轻、更年轻，他们可能会认为自己更好一点，而他觉得自己已经掌握了窍门。

He gets what seems like a very nice bonus.

他得到了看起来非常不错的奖金。

Now this paper, the Bend Bulletin, was owned by a guy named Robert Chandler.

现在这份报纸《Bend Bulletin》的所有者是一个名叫罗伯特·钱德勒的人。

Jack remembers him wearing a 10-gallon hat to work and smacking young reporters in the head with Strunk & White if they made grammatical errors.

杰克记得他戴着一顶 10 加仑的帽子去上班，如果年轻记者犯了语法错误，他就会用 Strunk & White 敲打他们的头。

Chandler had installed, long before many big city newspapers had them, a computer network in the newsroom.

早在许多大城市的报纸安装计算机网络之前，钱德勒就已经在新闻编辑室安装了计算机网络。

This is 1980.

这是1980年。

Personal computers, word processing, passwords, all this stuff was all brand new.

个人电脑、文字处理、密码，所有这些东西都是全新的。

One late afternoon, it was an afternoon paper, so after closing everybody fled pretty much.

一个下午晚些时候，那是一份午后报纸，所以关门后，每个人都逃走了。

I was sitting there by myself, and I was just fooling around with the computer.

我一个人坐在那儿，玩着电脑。

I typed in Mr. Chandler's name.

我输入了钱德勒先生的名字。

You mean you typed it in as the user name?

你的意思是你输入它作为用户名？

Yeah, as the user name.

是的，就像用户名一样。

I was just guessing.

我只是猜测。

What would be a password that Robert Chandler might use?

罗伯特·钱德勒可能使用的密码是什么？

I had been out to his house I guess the week or two before, and I had met his grandson.

我猜一两周前我去过他家，并且见到了他的孙子。

I don't remember what his name was, but let's just say it's Sam.

我不记得他叫什么名字，但我们就说是山姆吧。

So I typed in "Sam" for the password, and bling, all of a sudden his account opened up.

于是我输入“Sam”作为密码，突然间他的帐户就打开了。

I had access to everything in the entire computer system.

我可以访问整个计算机系统中的所有内容。

The managing editor at the time was a guy named Vic Roddick.

当时的总编辑是一个名叫维克罗迪克的人。

I went into his file, and there were all the bonuses.

我进入他的档案，里面有所有的奖金。

I made, I can't remember, but I think it was like $7,800 a year, and he had given me like a $400 bonus.

我赚了，我记不清了，但我想大概是每年 7,800 美元，而他给了我大约 400 美元的奖金。

I saw everybody's bonus, and I saw everybody's annual paycheck, and I was at the bottom of the list.

我看到了每个人的奖金，也看到了每个人的年薪，而我排在了名单的最后。

I was doing the worst of everybody in the room.

我的表现是房间里每个人中最差的。

I was flattened.

我被压扁了。

Because you looked around the newsroom and you just thought, "These are my peers."

因为你环顾新闻编辑室，你只是想，“这些是我的同事。”

Not only my peers, but there were some of them that I thought were worse than I was.

不仅是我的同龄人，还有一些我认为比我更糟糕的人。

I had to come to terms with the fact that I wasn't their equal.

我不得不接受这样一个事实：我与他们不平等。

I was bad.

我很糟糕。

I was really bad at what I was trying to do.

我真的不擅长我想做的事情。

It meant I suddenly had these weird resentments of my colleagues.

这意味着我突然对同事产生了这些奇怪的怨恨。

Part of what's horrifying about finding out information that you're not supposed to know is that it actually robs you of your own kind of self-deception, your own fiction that you're actually doing OK.

发现你不应该知道的信息的可怕之处在于，它实际上剥夺了你自己的自欺欺人，你自己的虚构，即你实际上做得很好。

What's so crazy about this whole painful story is that he didn't go into the computer system hoping to actually find anything out.

这整个痛苦的故事的疯狂之处在于，他进入计算机系统并没有希望真正找到任何答案。

It just seemed like it would be sort of fun to snoop around.

似乎四处窥探会很有趣。

Spying for spying's sake.

为了间谍而间谍。

Oh, I was-- yeah, it just felt thrilling.

哦，我是——是的，这感觉很刺激。

I just wanted to see if I could get inside.

我只是想看看我是否能进去。

I didn't have any idea.

我没有任何想法。

I didn't have any motive for going into his file.

我没有任何动机去查阅他的档案。

There was nothing I was even looking for.

我什至没有在寻找什么。

I mean, it is the hacker's impulse.

我的意思是，这是黑客的冲动。

I've hung out with hackers, and one of the strangest things about them is that they often, once they get in, they have nothing to do.

我和黑客一起玩过，他们最奇怪的事情之一是，他们一旦进入，通常就无事可做。

I was there when they would hack into the very depths of AT&T's telephone computers.

当他们侵入 AT&T 电话计算机的深处时，我就在场。

And we'd get in, and they'd say, "OK, here we are, we're in." And I'm like, well what do we do now?

我们进去后，他们会说：“好吧，我们到了，我们进去了。”我想，我们现在该怎么办？

Well, we're in.

好吧，我们进来了。

You know what we ended up doing?

你知道我们最后做了什么吗？

We ended up like giving my phone in New York three-way calling for free.

我们最终喜欢给我在纽约的手机免费三通通话。

That was what we ended up doing.

这就是我们最终所做的。

You hear a lot about professional spies.

你听说过很多关于职业间谍的事。

There's an entire genre of fiction and film and TV shows devoted to these people.

有各种各样的小说、电影和电视节目专门针对这些人。

Plus, the last few years spies are constantly in the news.

另外，过去几年间谍不断出现在新闻中。

The ongoing debate over how well the CIA does its job figuring out threats to our country.

关于中央情报局在查明对我国的威胁方面做得如何的争论正在进行中。

But today on this program, we devote an hour to those who have been overlooked.

但今天在这个节目中，我们用一个小时的时间来关注那些被忽视的人。

The amateurs, people like you and me spying on coworkers and neighbors and sometimes complete strangers.

业余爱好者，像你我这样的人监视同事和邻居，有时甚至是完全陌生的人。

As in Jack's case, not knowing what the hell they're doing.

就像杰克的情况一样，不知道他们到底在做什么。

They are playing with fire.

他们在玩火。

WBEZ Chicago.

WBEZ 芝加哥。

It's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.

《这就是美国生活》，由国际公共广播电台发行。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Our program today in four acts.

我们今天的节目分为四幕。

Act One, The Lobbyist.

第一幕，游说者。

A man discovers a secret channel on his cable service, and finds he cannot stop watching.

一名男子在他的有线电视服务上发现了一个秘密频道，并发现他无法停止观看。

Act Two, Life with the Haters, in which a mom with a new baby succumbs to the temptation to use her baby monitor for purposes it was not intended for.

第二幕，与憎恨者的生活，一位带着新生儿的妈妈屈服于诱惑，将婴儿监视器用于非预期用途。

Act Three, Mystery Shoppers.

第三幕，神秘顾客。

In that act, ordinary people going undercover in coffee shops and chain stores.

在那一幕中，普通人在咖啡店和连锁店里卧底。

Act Four, Stop Bugging Me.

第四幕，别再烦我了。

In that act, counter-espionage in the suburbs.

在那次行动中，郊区的反间谍活动。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

Act One, The Lobbyist.

第一幕，游说者。

This story comes from one of our contributing editors, Jonathan Goldstein.

这个故事来自我们的特约编辑之一乔纳森·戈德斯坦。

He's now the host of a program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation called Wiretap, where the stories are sometimes fully true, sometimes partly true, sometimes entirely untrue.

他现在是加拿大广播公司一档名为“Wiretap”的节目的主持人，其中的故事有时完全真实，有时部分真实，有时完全不真实。

This is from that program.

这是来自那个程序。

I guess it was back in February, and I had just installed a new VCR.

我想那是在二月份，我刚刚安装了一台新的录像机。

When you set up a new VCR you have to put in the new channels, and there's an auto selection.

当您设置新的录像机时，您必须放入新频道，并且会自动选择。

So I press auto, and it's just whipping through channel two, three, four, five, six.

所以我按下自动键，它就快速地通过通道二、三、四、五、六。

And it goes way up the band.

它在乐队中的地位很高。

The numbers are going higher, and higher, and higher, and higher, trying to find a station.

试图找到电台的人数越来越多。

And it locks in to this station, and I'm looking at it.

它锁定了这个电台，我正在看着它。

I'm going, "This is really bizarre.

我要说：“这真的很奇怪。

I think I'm looking at a lobby in an apartment building." The image wasn't great.

我想我正在看一座公寓楼的大厅。”图像不太好。

There's no audio track.

没有音轨。

It's just a silent-- it's a security camera, I guess.

这只是一个静音——我猜这是一个安全摄像头。

But you don't live in a building that has a lobby, right?

但你不住在有大堂的大楼里，对吧？

Right.

正确的。

Right.

正确的。

Jonathan Goldstein So you're getting reception of a lobby that is not your own?

乔纳森·戈尔茨坦（Jonathan Goldstein） 那么您收到的接待大厅不是您自己的？

Right.

正确的。

Right.

正确的。

I mean, if I was living in a high rise, I wouldn't have been surprised to see my own lobby.

我的意思是，如果我住在高层建筑中，看到自己的大厅我不会感到惊讶。

It's a lobby in another part of the city, or in my town, or wherever.

这是城市另一部分的大厅，或者在我的城镇，或者任何地方。

But you don't know where?

但你不知道在哪里？

Burt Covit Not a clue.

伯特·科维特 没有任何线索。

Not a clue.

没有任何线索。

I have this neighbor downstairs, and he's got 155 stations.

我楼下有个邻居，他有 155 个电台。

He's got a satellite dish, and he's always bragging about how clear the reception is, and all these great channels.

他有一个卫星天线，他总是吹嘘接收效果有多清晰，以及所有这些很棒的频道。

He can get like David Letterman on LA Times, so his life's great.

他可以像《洛杉矶时报》上的大卫·莱特曼一样，所以他的生活很美好。

And so just as a joke, I said, "Yeah, but do you get the lobby channel?" And I start explaining about this lobby that I'm getting on channel seventy-something.

于是我开玩笑说：“是的，但是你能接通大厅频道吗？”我开始在七十多频道上解释这个大厅。

He says, "No," but that he would scan through and see if he indeed got it.

他说：“不，”但他会仔细检查，看看他是否确实得到了它。

But of course he didn't.

但他当然没有。

I think there's a certain point, I think it's in March, where they start running a lot of re-runs.

我认为有一个特定的时间点，我认为是在三月份，他们开始进行大量的重播。

There's basically only about five shows that I watch religiously each week.

我每周认真观看的节目基本上只有大约五部。

Just out of habit, after walking the dogs or whatever and coming back at 9:30, I automatically go to those shows.

只是出于习惯，在遛完狗或做完其他事并在 9:30 回来后，我会自动去看那些演出。

Of course, they are re-runs.

当然，它们会重新运行。

And then sort of thought, "Oh, I've always got the lobby to look at." I decided to just program it, keep it programmed on my dial.

然后我想，“哦，我总是可以看看大厅。”我决定只对它进行编程，将其保留在我的表盘上。

On the speed dial.

在快速拨号上。

Burt Covit On the speed dial.

伯特·科维特 在快速拨号上。

So just as you're flipping from NBC to CBS to FOX, you have the lobby right alongside of them.

因此，当您从 NBC 切换到 CBS 再到 FOX 时，大厅就在它们旁边。

In the winter-- I'm not a jock, but what I like to do when it's really cold on the weekends is a watch golf, because when I watch golf, everybody's in a balmy part of the world, and the sun's shining.

在冬天——我不是运动员，但周末很冷的时候我喜欢做的就是看高尔夫，因为当我看高尔夫时，每个人都在世界上一个温暖的地方，阳光明媚。

But at a certain point it just becomes tedious, and I thought, "Well, I'll see what's going on in the lobby."

但到了某个时候，它就变得乏味了，我想，“好吧，我去看看大厅里发生了什么。”

So I go back and forth from golf to lobby, and to be honest, after not very much time, the lobby won.

于是我就在高尔夫和大厅之间来回走动，说实话，没过多久，大厅就赢了。

It was far more interesting, even though there was nothing going on.

尽管没有发生任何事情，但这要有趣得多。

Then I thought, "Unfortunately, I have to go to work on Monday.

然后我想：“不幸的是，我周一必须去上班。

I wonder what happens at key hours in the lobby?

我想知道大厅的关键时间会发生什么？

For instance, is there a rush hour in the lobby, like from 7 o'clock in the morning, or 6 o'clock in the morning, or at the end of the day?

例如，大堂是否有高峰时段，例如早上 7 点、早上 6 点或一天结束时？

So I thought, "Well, you know what?

所以我想：“好吧，你知道吗？

I'll just start taping it."

我就开始录制它。”

You started taping it?

你开始录了？

Burt Covit Yeah, I start setting up my VCR to record the lobby at peak hours, and see if there was any traffic.

伯特·科维特 是的，我开始设置录像机来记录高峰时段的大厅，看看是否有交通情况。

See if anybody was using the lobby.

看看是否有人在使用大厅。

So at this point how many tapes have you amassed?

那么现在你已经积累了多少盘磁带了？

I guess only three.

我猜只有三个。

I had LP, so I've got like about six, seven hours of footage.

我有黑胶唱片，所以我有大约六、七个小时的镜头。

So that's like 18 hours.

那就相当于 18 个小时。

Burt Covit Yeah, something like that.

伯特·科维特 是的，类似的事情。

And then I figured, why not, I can just fast forward through it.

然后我想，为什么不呢，我可以快进通过它。

The first time I was watching, I was thinking like, is someone going to come walking in?

我第一次看的时候就在想，会有人走进来吗？

That would have been the highlight.

那将是亮点。

That was my goal.

这就是我的目标。

But no one ever walked in.

但从来没有人走进来。

So I'm fast forwarding through it, and all of a sudden I see something.

所以我快速浏览它，突然我看到了一些东西。

There's an image of a woman standing right in the center of the lobby, boom.

有一个女人站在大厅中央的图像，轰。

And it looked as though she was wearing a pillbox hat, which caught my attention.

她看起来好像戴着一顶药盒帽，这引起了我的注意。

I was on to something.

我正在做某事。

I wasn't clearly wasting my time.

我显然没有浪费时间。

So all of a sudden there she is.

所以突然间她就出现了。

There's this person standing in the middle of the lobby.

这个人站在大厅中央。

And I sort of forget that I'm actually watching someone in the lobby, because I'm just so surprised to see anything at all.

我有点忘记了我实际上是在看着大厅里的某个人，因为我对看到任何东西感到非常惊讶。

Sure enough, she starts going through her purse.

果然，她开始检查她的钱包。

She starts fumbling, she bends down, she stands up, and she looked in her hand.

她开始摸索，弯下腰，站起来，看着自己的手。

I assume she found her keys.

我猜想她找到了钥匙。

She stops, she pauses, and then she just walks out of the frame.

她停了下来，停顿了一下，然后就走出了画面。

And goes in.

然后进去。

Burt Covit I guess she goes in, yeah.

伯特·科维特 我猜她进去了，是的。

Every time I fast forward through these tapes to see what else is going on in the lobby, if I do see a person, it's her.

每次我快进这些录像带，看看大厅里还发生了什么，如果我确实看到一个人，那就是她。

And she's always wearing this pillbox hat, or what seems to be a pillbox hat.

她总是戴着这顶药盒帽，或者看起来像是药盒帽的东西。

It's interesting because she seems to fumble.

这很有趣，因为她似乎在摸索。

She doesn't always lose her keys, but like she'll walk.

她并不总是丢失钥匙，但就像她会走路一样。

She'll be standing there, and she'll sort of like seem to trip on something and grab for balance.

她会站在那里，她会有点像被什么东西绊倒并抓住平衡。

But she's sort of fumbly?

但她有点笨手笨脚的？

Burt Covit Yeah, she's a fumbly person.

伯特·科维特：是的，她是个笨手笨脚的人。

But her hat stays on her head, so that's OK.

但她的帽子留在头上，所以没关系。

I would be home, and I'd start preparing dinner.

我会回家，然后开始准备晚餐。

I'd look up, and I'd see the clock.

我抬起头，就会看到时钟。

It would be like 5 o'clock.

大概是5点钟吧。

Instead of like running into the kitchen, I would just like turn on the TV set and see if I could catch a glimpse of her live.

我不想跑进厨房，而是想打开电视机，看看是否能看到她的直播。

Bingo, there she was.

宾果，她就在那里。

Same time.

同一时间。

Same time, like somewhere around the dinner hour.

同一时间，比如晚餐时间左右的某个时间。

Yeah, and I thought this is like a little weird.

是的，我觉得这有点奇怪。

Weird that I'm actually stopping what I'm doing to see if a person who I don't know is coming into a building.

奇怪的是，我实际上正在停止正在做的事情，看看是否有一个我不认识的人进入了建筑物。

I guess about a month.

我猜大概一个月吧

I really didn't think anything of it.

我真的没想什么。

I mean, I have a full life.

我的意思是，我有一个完整的生活。

I work.

我工作。

I enjoy what I do.

我喜欢我所做的事情。

I have things to do.

我有事要做。

And yet for some reason, when you start watching someone, I don't know if you're fantasizing, or you just imagine what is this person all about?

但出于某种原因，当你开始观察某人时，我不知道你是否在幻想，或者你只是在想象这个人到底是什么样的人？

I guess I sort of figured she was like in her late 30s, maybe 40, had some sort of a regular job.

我想我大概觉得她三十多岁，也许四十岁，有一份固定的工作。

It wasn't as though I was attracted to her like physically, but it was just someone else out there that I was getting to know via my TV set.

我并不是像身体上那样被她吸引，而是我通过电视认识了外面的另一个人。

One night I'm watching, and she comes in with someone, and it really threw me for a loop.

有一天晚上我正在看，她和一个人进来了，这真的让我大吃一惊。

I thought, "Who is this person with?"

我想：“这个人和谁在一起？”

She came in with a man?

她带着一个男人进来了？

Burt Covit Yeah.

伯特·科维特 是的。

And there she is walking with this guy.

她正和这个家伙一起散步。

I don't know if I was hurt.

我不知道我是否受伤了。

Then I thought, "This is ridiculous." I mean, this person has her own life.

然后我想：“这太荒谬了。”我的意思是，这个人有她自己的生活。

I'm just watching part of her life.

我只是在观察她生活的一部分。

I don't really know what's going on the rest of her time.

我真的不知道她剩下的时间都在做什么。

Anyways, it seemed as though there was a guy, and they seemed to be comfortable together.

不管怎样，好像有一个男人，而且他们在一起看起来很舒服。

How could you tell?

你怎么知道？

Burt Covit She was laughing,

伯特·科维特 她在笑，

Once I remember them coming in together.

有一次我记得他们一起进来。

As usual she dropped her keys, or something comes out of her hand.

像往常一样，她掉了钥匙，或者有什么东西从她手里掉了出来。

She bent down to get them, and I thought, "How come he's not bending down and getting them for her?" I thought, "What kind of relationship is this?"

她弯下腰去拿，我想，“他怎么不弯下腰去给她拿呢？”我想：“这是什么样的关系？”

One night after I watched the two of them come into the lobby, I thought, "Well, I wonder what's going to happen?

一天晚上，当我看到他们两个走进大厅后，我想：“好吧，我想知道会发生什么？

I wonder if this guy is really going to stay around for a long time?" I kept the tape running just in case I'd miss something, but I went into the kitchen and made dinner.

我想知道这个家伙是否真的会在这里呆很长时间？”我让磁带继续播放，以防万一我错过了什么，但我走进厨房做了晚饭。

And I sat down in front of the TV and watched it.

我坐在电视机前观看了它。

I watched TV, the lobby.

我看电视，大厅。

I was wondering if I would see this guy leave.

我想知道我是否会看到这个人离开。

He didn't leave.

他没有离开。

And how late did you end up watching until?

你最后看了多久？

And he didn't leave?

而他并没有离开？

Burt Covit No. I watched it for about six hours.

伯特·科维特 不。我看了大约六个小时。

Put in another VHS tape, and I put it SLP, long speed.

放入另一盘 VHS 磁带，我放入的是 SLP，长速。

He never left.

他从未离开过。

He never came out?

他一直没有出来吗？

Burt Covit No. Hours and hours of tape, and I just sort of fast forwarded through it, but no, he never left.

伯特·科维特 不。一小时又一小时的磁带，我只是快进，但不，他从未离开。

And I thought, "Good for her."

我想，“对她有好处。”

No. Jonathan Goldstein Not a little something else?

没有。乔纳森·戈德斯坦 就没有别的事吗？

Mmm.

嗯。

I was like now growing-- I was becoming concerned for her happiness.

我现在就像在成长——我开始关心她的幸福。

But it's over.

但一切都结束了。

Whatever it is, it's over.

不管是什么，都结束了。

And so I thought, "OK." As the grand finale, I went over and I actually deleted that channel.

所以我想，“好吧。”作为大结局，我过去了，实际上删除了那个频道。

So the lobby channel--

所以大厅频道——

So now when you go from say PBS to FOX it just goes straight.

所以现在当你从 PBS 转到 FOX 时，它就直接进行了。

Yeah, straight through.

是的，直接通过。

Jonathan Goldstein Straight through.

乔纳森·戈德斯坦 直接说。

No shots of the lobby-- nothing.

没有大堂的照片——什么也没有。

No more lobby.

不再有大厅。

No. Jonathan Goldstein It's gone.

不，乔纳森·戈德斯坦 它已经消失了。

It's over.

结束了。

Yeah.

是的。

I wasn't disappointed, but it was just like, I don't know.

我并不失望，但就像，我不知道。

It sort of signified the end of winter.

这似乎预示着冬天的结束。

Spring was coming, and it's time to move on.

春天来了，是时候继续前进了。

Jonathan Goldstein talking with Burt Covit on the CBC program Wiretap.

乔纳森·戈德斯坦 (Jonathan Goldstein) 在 CBC 节目《Wiretap》中与伯特·科维特 (Burt Covit) 交谈。

That story, just to be completely clear, was a work of fiction based on true events, rendered as radio interview.

需要明确的是，这个故事是根据真实事件改编的小说，以广播采访的形式呈现。

[MUSIC - "TELEVISION" BY ROBYN HITCHCOCK]

[音乐 - 罗宾·希区柯克的“电视”]

Act Two, Life with the Haters.

第二幕，与仇恨者一起生活。

Beth Lisick has this story of spying that starts out innocently enough with a baby and a mom.

贝丝·利西克（Beth Lisick）讲述了一个关于间谍的故事，故事始于一个婴儿和一个妈妈。

My baby is a terrible sleeper.

我的宝宝睡得很糟糕。

Sometimes he wakes up 10 or 12 times a night.

有时他每晚醒来 10 或 12 次。

So I heard about this book called The No-Cry Sleep Solution, a title that my friend is now using for his Morrissey cover band.

所以我听说了这本书，名为《无哭睡眠解决方案》，我的朋友现在正在为他的莫里西翻唱乐队使用这个书名。

The book says to get a baby monitor, and at the first sign of any disruption, you're supposed to rush in and start petting the baby back to sleep.

书上说，要买一个婴儿监视器，一旦出现任何干扰迹象，你就应该冲进去，开始抚摸婴儿，让他重新入睡。

There's also an elaborate system of charts and graphs they want you to fill out to keep track of everything he ate that day, how long he napped, at what intervals he's waking up at night.

他们还希望你填写一个复杂的图表系统，以跟踪他当天吃的所有东西、他小睡了多长时间、他晚上醒来的时间间隔。

So at this point almost a year after he was born, we're clearly feeling crazy enough from sleep deprivation to actually try this.

所以在他出生将近一年后的这个时候，我们显然因为睡眠不足而感到疯狂，以至于真正尝试这个。

Night three.

夜三。

I nearly jump off the couch when I hear it.

当我听到这个消息时，我差点从沙发上跳起来。

At first static, and then the voice coming in like a walkie-talkie broadcasting in my living room.

一开始是静态的，然后声音就像对讲机在我的客厅里广播一样进来。

"Yeah, so if you want to come around and fire one up, you know where I'll be.

“是的，所以如果你想过来开火，你知道我会在哪里。

I got two or three for you, a'ight?" It's a phone conversation.

我给你买了两三个，好吗？”这是电话交谈。

It only takes me a second to figure out that it's got to be my neighbor, who everybody calls Lil' Mo.

我只花了一秒钟就意识到那一定是我的邻居，大家都叫他小莫。

So I dim the lights and peek through the curtains, and there he is pacing back and forth in front of my house.

于是我调暗灯光，透过窗帘往外看，发现他正在我家门前来回踱步。

"Yeah, I'm outside the haters'," his voice on the baby monitor says.

“是的，我不在仇恨者的范围内，”他的声音在婴儿监视器上说道。

Man, I really wish he wouldn't call us that.

伙计，我真的希望他不要那样称呼我们。

He hangs up the phone, leans against my fence, and a few minutes later a car pulls up, and he gets in.

他挂断电话，靠在我的栅栏上，几分钟后一辆车停了下来，他上了车。

Four years ago I bought a house in a rundown East Bay neighborhood on the Oakland border.

四年前，我在奥克兰边境一个破旧的东湾社区买了一栋房子。

My block is always full of trash, empty forties and blunt wrappers littering the sidewalk.

我的街区总是充满了垃圾，人行道上到处都是空荡荡的四十岁和钝的包装纸。

The border of the city is ideal for drug dealing, so there's a lot of that going on.

城市的边界是毒品交易的理想场所，因此发生了很多这样的事情。

Some low-key prostitution too, but that didn't bother me.

也有一些低调的卖淫，但这并没有困扰我。

I'd lived in rough areas before.

我以前住在条件艰苦的地区。

What really freaked me out was moving somewhere residential, and having real neighbors.

真正让我害怕的是搬到某个住宅区，并且有真正的邻居。

Mostly I was afraid of chit-chatting.

我主要害怕闲聊。

After years in the city, I didn't know the etiquette.

在城里呆了几年，不懂礼节。

I didn't want to embark on a long-term relationship of waving and smiling and chit-chatting about clogged gutters and car break-ins.

我不想开始一段长期的关系，挥手微笑，闲聊堵塞的排水沟和汽车入室盗窃。

And it didn't help that I was a complete specter of gentrification on my block, the first lower-income white lady to move into a working class black neighborhood.

而且，我是我所在街区的中产阶级化的彻底幽灵，也是第一位搬进工薪阶层黑人社区的低收入白人女性，这也无济于事。

My first strategy was to be really, really nice to everyone.

我的第一个策略是对每个人都非常非常友善。

I actually convinced myself that this was a good plan.

我实际上说服了自己，这是一个好计划。

The first couple months in the house, I sort of went overboard with the niceness.

在家里的头几个月，我有点过分享受这种美好。

Later I found out that my neighbors were making fun of me for engaging in animated conversations with crackheads and psychotic people, people they themselves never talked to.

后来我发现我的邻居们取笑我与那些他们自己从未交谈过的瘾君子和精神病患者进行热烈的交谈。

"Why is she letting Jimmy hustle her with that stolen Tivo?" they wondered.

“她为什么要让吉米用偷来的蒂沃来催促她？”他们想知道。

"How come she's talking so long to Crazy Delfine?"

“她怎么跟疯狂德尔芬聊了这么久？”

I quickly changed strategies and decided it would be easier to ignore everyone.

我很快改变了策略，并决定忽略每个人会更容易。

I kept it friendly with George, an older man who lived on one side of me, and with JoJo, the neighborhood gossip, who would come over while I was getting my groceries out of the car and give me the crime blotter, who got shot and why.

我和乔治保持着友好的关系，乔治是一位住在我一侧的老人，还有乔乔，邻居的八卦人物，当我从车里取出杂货时，他会过来给我一份犯罪记事簿，告诉我他被枪杀了，为什么。

But basically I started minding my own business again.

但基本上我又开始关注自己的事了。

I stop waving.

我停止挥手。

An old lady on the other side of me?

我的另一边是个老太太？

Never spoke to her.

从来没有和她说过话。

Her name was Eunice.

她的名字叫尤尼斯。

One time I got her mail by accident.

有一次，我无意中收到了她的邮件。

Instead of running the letter over, I put it in my mail slot for the postman to deliver.

我没有把这封信读一遍，而是把它放进邮筒里，让邮递员投递。

The reason for this was that Eunice's grandson, Lil' Mo, hated us.

原因是尤妮斯的孙子小莫讨厌我们。

He dealt weed, and was always sitting in his driveway or on his front steps, which would have been fine except that he was such a jerk.

他卖大麻，总是坐在自家的车道上或门前的台阶上，如果他不是个混蛋的话，这本来没什么问题。

He'd harass women walking down the street, even if they were with their kids, calling them whores.

他会骚扰走在街上的女性，即使她们带着孩子，还称她们为妓女。

He'd actually get up off his porch and follow them down the street, yelling at them as they ran away, tugging on their kids' arms to hurry up.

事实上，他会从门廊上站起来，跟着他们沿着街道走，在他们逃跑时对他们大喊大叫，拉着孩子们的手臂让他们快点。

The first time I walked by and said "Hi," he looked right at me and said, "Hater." He'd yell it at me in the middle of the day when I went to my car.

当我第一次走过并说“嗨”时，他直视着我说：“仇恨者。”中午我上车时他会对我大喊大叫。

He bragged about his Glock and his Uzis to everyone in the corner store, and I could tell a lot of people in the neighborhood were intimidated by him.

他向街角商店里的每个人吹嘘他的格洛克和乌兹冲锋枪，我看得出来附近的很多人都被他吓到了。

I definitely was.

我绝对是。

So that's his voice that's showing up on my baby monitor.

这就是我的婴儿监视器上出现的他的声音。

Night four, I finally get the baby to fall asleep, and come out and turn on the monitor.

第四天晚上，我终于让宝宝睡着了，出来打开显示器。

I read for a while, and then peek out the curtains and see Lil' Mo sitting in his car in the driveway.

我读了一会儿，然后从窗帘里往外看，看到小莫坐在车道上的车里。

Maybe he's on the phone.

也许他正在打电话。

I get up and switch channels on the receiver to check in with him.

我起身并切换接收器的频道以与他联系。

Nothing.

什么也没有。

The other day I got up the nerve to ask JoJo about him.

有一天，我鼓起勇气向乔乔打听他的情况。

She said that Lil' Mo doesn't even live in that house.

她说小莫甚至不住在那所房子里。

He just comes over to deal out of his grandmother's yard.

他只是从他祖母的院子里过来处理交易。

So my next door neighbor who hates me is not even my next door neighbor.

所以讨厌我的隔壁邻居甚至不是我的隔壁邻居。

That's when I start becoming slightly obsessed with him.

从那时起我开始对他有点着迷。

Day five, yes, I'm trying to listen during the day now.

第五天，是的，我现在正在白天尝试聆听。

When my husband takes the baby out, I say that I'm going to take a nap, but then I see Lil' Mo and his friends in the driveway next door.

当我丈夫带孩子出去时，我说我要小睡一下，但后来我看到小莫和他的朋友们在隔壁的车道上。

Two of them are talking on their cell phone, so I run and switch on the monitor to see if I can get anything.

其中两个人正在打电话，所以我跑过去打开显示器，看看能不能看到什么。

Nothing.

什么也没有。

I switch channels.

我切换频道。

Nothing.

什么也没有。

I go back and forth trying to jar it into place.

我来回尝试将其固定到位。

What's wrong with this thing?

这东西有什么问题吗？

Why isn't it working?

为什么它不起作用？

Maybe I should just get one of those police scanners that pick up everything, something reliable.

也许我应该买一台警用扫描仪来扫描一切，可靠的东西。

Having heard him mention me that one time, I'm convinced that he's constantly talking crap about me.

有一次听他提起我，我确信他一直在说我的废话。

Night six, I'm watching a movie with the volume turned down so low that I have the subtitles playing on the DVD.

第六天晚上，我正在看一部电影，音量调得很低，以至于字幕在 DVD 上播放。

The volume on the baby monitor, on the other hand, is turned all the way up.

另一方面，婴儿监视器的音量则一直调高。

I hear static, and then I hear Lil' Mo start yelling at somebody, I think his girlfriend.

我听到静电声，然后我听到小莫开始对某人大喊大叫，我想是他的女朋友。

His voice gets so loud that I turn off the monitor and just listen to it coming from outside the house.

他的声音太大了，我关掉了监视器，只听从屋外传来的声音。

Night eight, all the lights in the house are out, and the baby's been asleep for a record three hours in a row.

第八天晚上，家里所有的灯都灭了，婴儿连续睡了三个小时，创纪录。

I'm laying on the couch dozing when his voice comes in.

我正躺在沙发上打瞌睡，他的声音传来。

This time it's super clear.

这次超级清楚了。

"I told you Antoine is going to drive her.

“我告诉过你安托万会开车送她。

You know I can't drive no more." As usual, I can only hear his side of the conversation.

你知道我不能再开车了。”和往常一样，我只能听到他这边的谈话。

He's saying, "Teresa's picking her up," and, "She be doing it every day or some [BLEEP]," and then, "It's a liver, the liver and the bones."

他说，“特蕾莎正在接她”，“她每天都会这样做，或者发出一些[哔]声”，然后，“这是一个肝脏，肝脏和骨头。”

Somebody's sick.

有人生病了。

I figure he's talking about his grandmother Eunice, and I think, "Poor lady." She hardly ever comes out of her house.

我猜他正在谈论他的祖母尤尼斯，我想，“可怜的女士。”她几乎从不走出家门。

Whenever she does, there's always a big commotion.

每当她这样做的时候，总会引起一场大骚动。

"Miss Eunice," people yell and wave.

“尤尼斯小姐，”人们大喊并挥手。

Even the teenage boys who are usually jerks are really nice.

即使是那些通常混蛋的十几岁男孩也非常友善。

The first time I spoke to her, she came out on her back porch while I was in my back yard.

我第一次和她说话时，当我在后院时，她从后门廊出来。

She was wearing a flowered housecoat, and called out to me.

她穿着一件花家居服，对我喊道。

When I said "hi" back, she laid into me for not pruning a huge fir tree whose branches were hanging into her yard.

当我回嘴说“嗨”时，她指责我没有修剪一棵巨大的冷杉树，它的树枝挂在她的院子里。

"It's blocking all the light in my house," she said, shaking her head.

“它挡住了我房子里所有的光线，”她摇着头说。

Then she got a little nicer and told me that the people who lived in my house in the '60s planted their Christmas tree one year, and it turned into that monster.

然后她态度好一点了，告诉我六十年代住在我家的人们有一年种下了圣诞树，然后它就变成了那个怪物。

I apologize about the overhanging branches, but the tree is over 25 feet tall, and I couldn't do it myself.

我对悬垂的树枝表示歉意，但这棵树超过 25 英尺高，我自己做不到。

I couldn't afford to pay someone, so I never did anything about it.

我付不起钱给别人，所以我从来没有采取任何行动。

Day 10, there's a car idling in the driveway next door.

第十天，隔壁车道上有一辆车空转。

One of Lil' Mo's friends, or maybe a relative, is in a green late '70s Cutlass that I've never seen before.

Lil' Mo 的一位朋友，或者可能是一位亲戚，穿着一把我以前从未见过的 70 年代末绿色弯刀。

There are six or seven people standing on the lawn looking up at the front door.

草坪上站着六七个人，抬头望着前门。

Something's going on.

有事发生了。

I get myself outside and stand there, quite possibly for the third time ever watering my yard with a hose.

我走到外面站在那里，很可能是第三次用软管给我的院子浇水。

I'm watering a pile of weeds.

我正在给一堆杂草浇水。

Then Eunice comes out of the house.

然后尤妮斯从房子里出来。

She's extremely frail, and is wearing a purple jogging suit.

她非常虚弱，穿着紫色慢跑服。

It takes her forever to get down the stairs.

她花了很长时间才下楼梯。

She finally reaches a car, and I hear her say to this total gangster guy over the booty bass thumping on the stereo, "Is this my chariot?" I look up, and she's smiling.

她终于到达了一辆车，我听到她通过音响中重低音重击的低音对这个十足的黑帮家伙说，“这是我的战车吗？”我抬头一看，她正在微笑。

She waves to me, and I smile and say "hi."

她向我挥手，我微笑着说“嗨”。

After she drives away, I walk up to the fence and ask Lil' Mo, even though I know the answer, "Is that your grandmother?" He's nice to me, and tells me that she has cancer, and is going in for chemo.

她开车离开后，我走到栅栏前问小莫，尽管我知道答案，“那是你的祖母吗？”他对我很好，并告诉我她患有癌症，正在接受化疗。

"She'll be all right," he says.

“她会没事的，”他说。

And then, "We own this house, you know."

然后，“你知道，我们拥有这所房子。”

I go back inside and feel crappy about what a terrible neighbor I've been to this old lady.

我回到屋里，对这位老太太来说，我是一个多么糟糕的邻居，我感到很糟糕。

She's dying of cancer while I'm really busy training the jasmine plant to wind around the arbor.

她死于癌症，而我正忙着训练茉莉花缠绕在凉亭上。

I could have trimmed that tree for her.

我本可以为她修剪那棵树。

I can't remember why I was so convinced that I couldn't deal with my neighbors in the first place.

我不记得为什么我一开始就如此确信自己无法与邻居打交道。

I keep the monitor on all day.

我整天都开着显示器。

I'm hoping he'll say more about Eunice, but I just pick up two more drug deals.

我希望他能多说一些关于尤尼斯的事，但我又接到了两笔毒品交易。

He gets a person to drive by, then they get in the car and go around the block.

他让一个人开车经过，然后他们上车绕着街区转。

I've seen it a hundred times before, but I'm still compelled to go to the window and watch.

我已经看过一百遍了，但我还是忍不住走到窗前观看。

Day 12, I hear a car pull up next door, and look out the curtains.

第12天，我听到一辆车在隔壁停下来，我向窗帘外望去。

A young woman is helping Eunice up the stairs to her house.

一名年轻女子正在帮助尤妮斯上楼梯回家。

I make a batch of chicken soup, put it in a Tupperware, and spend most of the day trying to find the perfect time to bring it over, ideally when Lil' Mo is not out front, which is hardly ever.

我做了一批鸡汤，把它放在特百惠里，然后花了一天的大部分时间试图找到完美的时间把它端过来，最好是在小莫不在前面的时候，而这种情况很少见。

I have to admit, part of me hopes that if I bring her soup, maybe he'll stop calling me "hater." I try switching on the monitor to see if he's planning on going anywhere, but all I get is a bit of political poetry from the pirate radio station.

我不得不承认，我内心的一部分希望，如果我给她端汤，也许他就不再叫我“仇恨者”。我尝试打开监视器，看看他是否打算去任何地方，但我得到的只是海盗广播电台的一些政治诗歌。

I wait until he leaves his yard to go to the apartment building across the street before I walk over.

等他离开院子去街对面的公寓楼，我才走过去。

Way too obvious.

太明显了。

He sees me going up the stairs to their front door, and he runs back across the street, saying, "What do you want?" I tell him I'm just bringing soup to his grandma, and he lets me in.

他看到我上楼梯到他们的前门，然后他跑回街对面，说：“你想要什么？”我告诉他我只是给他奶奶端汤，他就让我进去了。

The house smells pretty terrible, like burned Twinkies and rotting vegetables.

房子闻起来非常难闻，像烧焦的夹心饼干和腐烂的蔬菜。

He leads me back to her bedroom, and pauses for a second and says, "What's your name?" I tell him, and he goes inside the room and says, "The lady from next door is here for you." He walks out, and I go in and find her sitting up in bed, watching a movie.

他带我回到她的卧室，停顿了一下说：“你叫什么名字？”我告诉他，他走进房间说：“隔壁的那位女士来找你。”他走了出去，我进去发现她坐在床上看电影。

Her bedroom door has a shoe rack hanging from it that is filled with videotapes, mostly comedies and musicals.

她卧室的门上挂着一个鞋架，里面放满了录像带，大部分是喜剧和音乐剧。

I tell her I heard she was sick and brought her some soup.

我告诉她我听说她病了，给她带了一些汤。

She's really sweet.

她真的很可爱。

She gets out of bed and tickles my son's chin, asking me questions about how old he is, what he's doing.

她从床上起来，挠着我儿子的下巴，问我他多大了，在做什么。

I follow her into the kitchen, where there's a big swarm of fruit flies and piles of dirty dishes.

我跟着她走进厨房，那里有一大群果蝇和成堆的脏盘子。

I think of all the time her grandson spends hanging out front when he could at least make sure her kitchen is clean.

我想起她的孙子在前面闲逛的所有时间，他至少可以确保她的厨房干净。

She takes the soup from me, and we chat a bit about the weather.

她接过我的汤，我们聊了一会儿天气。

A couple days later, I'm out walking my kid in the stroller, and my neighbor Maynard from a couple doors down says "hi." We usually say "hi" to each other when he's out washing his car, but this time he turns down his stereo and throws his chamois over his shoulder.

几天后，我推着婴儿车出去遛孩子，隔着几扇门的邻居梅纳德打了声“嗨”。当他出去洗车时，我们通常会互相打招呼，但这一次他把音响调低，并将麂皮披在肩上。

"Touch the cooler," he says, and points to a Styrofoam cooler on the ground.

“触摸冷却器，”他说，并指着地上的聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料冷却器。

At least I think that's what he says.

至少我认为他是这么说的。

I'm not really sure what he wants me to do.

我不太确定他要我做什么。

Did he just say, "Touch the cooler?" I stand there for a second, and then he tells me that's what they say in New Orleans, where he's from.

他刚才是不是说：“碰一下冷却器？”我在那里站了一秒钟，然后他告诉我，他来自新奥尔良，他们就是这么说的。

It means, "grab a beer." I really want to accept his offer, but its 10:00 in the morning.

意思是“喝杯啤酒”。我很想接受他的提议，但现在是上午 10:00。

We talk for a bit, and I realize that he knows all of our names, when we go to work, the fact that we were gone for a few days last month.

我们聊了一会儿，我意识到当我们去上班时，他知道我们所有人的名字，事实上我们上个月离开了几天。

He knows we have feral cats living in our garage.

他知道我们的车库里住着野猫。

He says Lydia from across the street told JoJo, and then JoJo told him that I brought Miss Eunice soup the other day.

他说街对面的莉迪亚告诉了乔乔，然后乔乔告诉他那天我给尤尼斯小姐带来了汤。

He wants to know what kind.

他想知道是什么样的。

I'm almost surprised he doesn't know already.

我几乎很惊讶他还不知道。

So the neighbors are watching me as closely as I'm watching Lil' Mo.

所以邻居们都在密切关注我，就像我在关注小莫一样。

Day 16, I bring Lil' Mo's grandmother food about four or five more times, but now I'm bolder, and will do it when he's sitting out front.

第 16 天，我又给 Lil' Mo 的祖母送了四五次食物，但现在我更大胆了，当他坐在前面时我就会这么做。

I don't even bother to check the baby monitor before I walk outside.

在出门之前我什至懒得检查婴儿监视器。

One time I brought a whole lasagna, because there seemed to be a lot more people hanging around the house lately.

有一次我带了一整份烤宽面条，因为最近家里闲逛的人似乎多了很多。

Mo followed me in, but then he stayed outside the door lurking for a bit.

莫跟着我进去了，但又在门外潜伏了一会儿。

Eunice looked a lot sicker, really skinny.

尤妮斯看起来病了很多，真的很瘦。

She joked that maybe my food would fatten her up.

她开玩笑说也许我的食物会让她发胖。

Mo leaned his head in and nodded to the lasagna on top of the dresser and said, "So what is that?" "Lasagna," I say.

莫低头，对着梳妆台上的烤宽面条点了点头，道：“那是什么？” “烤宽面条，”我说。

"Meat lasagna?" "Yeah, meat lasagna."

“肉烤宽面条？” “是啊，肉烤宽面条。”

He stopped calling me "hater" after that.

从那以后他不再叫我“仇恨者”。

It's not like we talk that much, but at least it's not uncomfortable anymore.

虽然我们没说那么多，但至少不再不舒服了。

Sometimes he just nods or gives me a "what's up" and then lets me in the house, and I've totally stopped trying to listen to his conversations.

有时他只是点点头或问我“怎么了”，然后让我进屋，我就完全不再试图听他的谈话了。

About a month after I first brought Eunice soup, she dies after getting two more blood transfusions.

在我第一次给尤妮斯送汤大约一个月后，她在又输了两次血后去世了。

That day the whole street is crowded with people drinking and kids running around, and I go out and touch the cooler with Maynard and JoJo.

那天整条街上挤满了喝酒的人和跑来跑去的孩子，我和梅纳德和乔乔一起出去摸冰箱。

He tells me if I don't want the gang kids sitting on my fence, I should just go up and tell them to please get off of it.

他告诉我，如果我不想让帮派孩子坐在我的栅栏上，我应该上去告诉他们请离开它。

So I do, and they're really cool about it, and they haven't sat on it since.

所以我就这么做了，他们对此真的很酷，从那以后他们就再也没有坐过这件事。

One day I hear the screeching of tires and a bunch of people yelling, and go to the front window.

有一天，我听到轮胎的刺耳声和一群人的喊叫声，我走到前窗。

There are three unmarked cop cars and a van outside.

外面停着三辆没有标记的警车和一辆货车。

Lil' Mo is there on the phone, and I run to switch on the baby monitor.

小莫正在打电话，我跑去打开婴儿监视器。

Where is it?

它在哪里？

I can't find it.

我找不到它。

I call my husband's cell phone and ask where the monitor is.

我拨打我丈夫的手机，询问监视器在哪里。

He says he put it in the storage closet because the baby's sleeping fine.

他说他把它放在储藏室里，因为宝宝睡得很好。

He didn't think we really needed it anymore.

他认为我们不再需要它了。

I grab it, plug it in, and get a bunch of static from the police radios.

我抓住它，插上电源，然后从警察无线电中得到一堆静电信号。

Of course we need it.

我们当然需要它。

Beth Lisick is a writer in the Bay Area.

贝丝·利西克 (Beth Lisick) 是湾区的一位作家。

Coming up, spies working for a monarch named Burger King and for a clown named Ronald.

接下来，为一位名叫汉堡王的君主和一位名叫罗纳德的小丑工作的间谍。

That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.

一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。

This American Life, I'm Ira Glass.

这个美国生活，我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.

当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。

Today's program, Spies Like Us.

今天的节目，像我们这样的间谍。

stories of amateur spies and the consequences of their spying.

业余间谍的故事及其间谍活动的后果。

We've arrived at act three of our program.

我们已经进入了计划的第三幕。

Act three.

第三幕。

There are companies that want amateurs to go into chain stores and fast food places, pretend to be regular customers, and then report in on how things are going there.

有些公司希望业余爱好者进入连锁店和快餐店，假装是常客，然后报告那里的情况。

The job title, mystery shoppers.

职位名称，神秘顾客。

A trade association says that there are now tens of thousands of people doing this job.

一个行业协会称，现在有数万人从事这项工作。

Mostly it's freelance work.

大部分都是自由职业。

It's secretive, and they're not supposed to talk about it.

这是秘密，他们不应该谈论它。

When our producer, Lisa Pollak, went on to a mystery shoppers discussion board on the internet looking for interviewees, it kicked off this debate there about whether chain store employees might be listening right now to the radio to get tips about how they're being surveilled.

当我们的制片人丽莎·波拉克（Lisa Pollak）在互联网上的神秘购物者讨论区寻找受访者时，引发了一场关于连锁店员工现在是否可能通过收听广播来获取有关他们如何受到监视的提示的辩论。

Lisa was able to get a few mystery shoppers to talk with her, and to let her tag along as they spied.

丽莎设法让一些神秘顾客与她交谈，并让她跟随他们进行监视。

Pat's assignment tonight is pretty routine, a stake-out at a coffee shop.

帕特今晚的任务很例行公事，在一家咖啡店监视。

She won't let me follow her.

她不让我跟着她。

She's afraid I'll blow her cover.

她害怕我会暴露她的身份。

But she's agreed to wear a wireless mic so I can listen in while she checks out the store.

但她同意戴上无线麦克风，这样我就可以在她逛商店时偷听。

We have walked in, and I'm looking.

我们已经走进去，我正在寻找。

The first thing I see are three employees behind the counter.

我首先看到的是柜台后面的三名员工。

I see a merchandise display.

我看到商品陈列。

Everything looks really well-stocked here.

这里的一切看起来都非常齐全。

I'm looking at the floor, which does have a few pieces of paper on it.

我看着地板，上面确实有几张纸。

Took a quick look at the condiment table, which looks very clean and well-tended.

快速看了一眼调料台，看起来很干净，保养得很好。

And I'm kind of walking away because the customers in the store are looking at me talking to myself here.

我有点走开，因为店里的顾客看着我在这里自言自语。

I can't tell you the name of the coffee shop, or where it is, or the kind of drink that Pat's pretending to be interested in.

我无法告诉你那家咖啡店的名字，或者它在哪里，或者帕特假装对哪种饮料感兴趣。

I can only tell you that she's about to walk up to the counter to administer a test, to see if the woman behind the cash register is familiar enough with a drink to tell a customer what's in it.

我只能告诉你，她正要走到柜台进行测试，看看收银员后面的女士是否对某种饮料足够熟悉，可以告诉顾客里面有什么。

Well a friend of mine at work the other day had something called a [BLEEP].

前几天，我的一个朋友在工作时发生了一种叫做[BLEEP]的现象。

What is that?

那是什么？

The clerk nails it.

店员钉它。

She knows all four ingredients.

她知道所有四种成分。

"It's really good," she tells Pat.

“这真的很好，”她告诉帕特。

"You should try it."

“你应该尝试一下。”

It does sound good, but I think I'll just have the latte.

听起来不错，但我想我就喝拿铁吧。

Two minutes later, I know because she timed it, Pat carries the drink out to her van.

两分钟后，我知道，因为她计时了，帕特把饮料端到了她的货车上。

She takes the lid off the cup and weighs it on a cooking scale.

她取下杯子的盖子，在烹饪秤上称重。

She gets out what looks like a small meat thermometer and drops in the coffee.

她拿出一个看起来像小肉类温度计的东西，滴进咖啡里。

While I'm waiting for the thermometer to register the temperature, I'm writing down the notes about the shop.

当我等待温度计记录温度时，我正在写下有关商店的注释。

I'm writing down the name of the employee who served me.

我正在写下为我服务的员工的名字。

She was wearing the correct uniform, but the jacket was over the uniform, and I will check later to find out whether that's regulation, because at this point I don't remember.

她穿着正确的制服，但夹克盖在制服外面，我稍后会检查一下是否符合规定，因为此时我不记得了。

But I'll check and make sure.

但我会检查并确定。

This assignment will take Pat about an hour.

这项作业将花费帕特大约一个小时。

That includes the report she'll write when she gets home.

这包括她回家后要写的报告。

For this she'll get about $5, plus reimbursement for the coffee.

为此，她将得到大约 5 美元，外加咖啡的报销。

It's the freebies that attract a lot of mystery shoppers.

正是免费赠品吸引了很多神秘顾客。

Movie tickets, meals, a free night in a hotel, undercover of course.

电影票、餐食、免费的酒店住宿，当然还有卧底。

She won't get rich this way, but Pat likes the work.

她不会通过这种方式致富，但帕特喜欢这份工作。

She's a full-time mom who needs a little part-time income, something with flexible hours, close to home.

她是一位全职妈妈，需要一点兼职收入，工作时间灵活，离家近。

She prefers the simpler assignments, convenience stores, casual restaurants, where she doesn't have to be too sneaky, or pretend she's someone she's not.

她更喜欢简单的任务，便利店，休闲餐馆，在那里她不必太偷偷摸摸，或者假装自己不是别人。

One assignment she won't do, she says, requires the mystery shopper to go to a fast food restaurant and order two meals, inside and at a drive through, in one visit.

她说，她不会做的一项任务是，要求神秘顾客去一家快餐店，一次在店内和驾车时点两顿饭。

Pat says it's a dead giveaway.

帕特说这是一个致命的赠品。

You know, they've seen you in the store looking around.

你知道，他们看到你在商店里四处张望。

They've watched you go into the bathroom, perhaps staring at the floor, which the average customer doesn't necessarily do.

他们看着你走进浴室，也许盯着地板，而普通顾客不一定会这样做。

If they're overly friendly at the drive through window when you do that part of the shop, you know you've been made.

当你去商店的那个部分时，如果他们在得来速窗口过于友好，你就知道你已经成功了。

Pat says if she gets made, if they figure out who she is and confront her, she won't get her money for the job.

帕特说，如果她成功了，如果他们弄清楚她是谁并与她对质，她就不会得到这份工作的钱。

Mystery shoppers worry about this stuff.

神秘顾客担心这个问题。

It's the kind of thing they discuss on their online message boards.

这是他们在在线留言板上讨论的事情。

In fact, there's an official mystery shoppers protocol for what to do if you get caught.

事实上，有一个官方的神秘顾客协议来指导如果你被抓住该怎么办。

It's been very much emphasized that if you're ever approached and asked if you are a mystery shopper, it's drilled down, deny, deny, deny, deny.

人们非常强调，如果有人走近你并询问你是否是神秘顾客，你会被追问、否认、否认、否认、否认。

This is Lynn, or at least that's what she asked me to call her.

这是林恩，或者至少她让我这么称呼她。

You're supposed to ask the person, "What's that?

你应该问那个人：“那是什么？

What's a mystery shopper?" And other mystery shoppers that I've read about on the internet have said things like, "Mystery shopper?

什么是神秘顾客？”我在互联网上读到的其他神秘顾客也说过这样的话：“神秘顾客？

Is that something special?

这有什么特别的吗？

Did I win a prize?" I don't think I could pull off that kind of ignorant effectively.

我中奖了吗？”我认为我无法有效地摆脱这种无知。

Lynn considers mystery shopping less of a job than a hobby where she gets paid.

林恩认为，神秘购物与其说是一份工作，不如说是一种爱好，可以让她获得报酬。

Unlike Pat, she takes the jobs that require some performance skills.

与帕特不同，她接受的工作需要一些表演技巧。

Once, while fake shopping for a mortgage, she invented a husband named Steve, a biologist with a terrible credit history.

有一次，在假装购买抵押贷款时，她虚构了一个名叫史蒂夫的丈夫，他是一位信用记录糟糕的生物学家。

Another time she pretended to be a member of a fringe religious groups to see if a leasing agent would still rent to her.

还有一次，她假装自己是一个边缘宗教团体的成员，看看租赁代理商是否还会租给她。

I've gone into complete acting mode.

我已经进入了完全的表演模式。

I have pretended to be a graphic artist that is looking for a real estate space to rent.

我假装是一名图形艺术家，正在寻找出租的房地产空间。

And I went in, and I had the appointment.

我进去了，我就预约了。

When I got to the leasing office, they had one of those reader board signs that was welcoming my company.

当我到达租赁办公室时，他们有一个阅读板标志，欢迎我的公司。

They had my company name, my fake company name.

他们有我的公司名称，我的假公司名称。

It was bizarre.

这很奇怪。

And then I got really into character, and the woman at one point was talking about what kind of design work I do.

然后我就真正进入了角色，那位女士有一次谈论我从事什么样的设计工作。

I didn't have anything prepared for discussing what my visual style is, so I rolled up my shirt sleeve and showed her my tattoo, and told her it was an original design, and that that was representative of my work.

我没有准备好讨论我的视觉风格是什么，所以我卷起衬衫袖子并向她展示了我的纹身，并告诉她这是一个原创设计，这代表了我的作品。

Aren't you sitting there feeling like, oh, this person must know I'm faking it.

你坐在那里是不是感觉，哦，这个人一定知道我在假装。

She must know I'm a mystery shopper.

她一定知道我是个神秘顾客。

Are you worried about that?

你担心这个吗？

I don't worry about that.

我不担心这个。

I worry that people think I'm an idiot.

我担心人们认为我是个白痴。

I had a shop where I had touch 1,250 pieces of clothing and not buy any of them, and not get noticed by any of the staff.

我在一家商店里摸过 1,250 件衣服，但没有买任何一件，也没有引起任何员工的注意。

What?

什么？

Lynn 1,250 pieces of clothing in a clothing store.

林恩在一家服装店购买了 1,250 件衣服。

I was checking to see if you've got something on a hanger, and the hangar says size eight, is that blouse really a size eight?

我正在检查你的衣架上是否有东西，机库说是八号，那件衬衫真的是八号吗？

It wasn't just literally that you had to touch them, you had to look to see if the size matched the hanger?

不仅仅是字面上你必须触摸它们，你还必须看看尺寸是否与衣架相匹配？

I had to pull out the tags on all of those clothes.

我不得不把所有这些衣服上的标签都拿出来。

If they knew that I was a mystery shopper, they didn't say anything about it, but it's really hard to do that and not feel like they're not noticing that you're out there touching everything.

如果他们知道我是神秘顾客，他们不会对此说什么，但要做到这一点并且不感觉他们没有注意到你在那里触摸一切真的很难。

Did you have a little story for yourself?

你有自己的小故事吗？

Like oh, I have OCD or something if they asked you what exactly your problem was?

就像哦，我有强迫症或其他什么，如果他们问你到底有什么问题？

You have?

你有吗？

Lynn Well, yeah.

林恩 嗯，是的。

But that explains like why I need to talk to everybody in the grocery store, or why I have to go to produce, and then why I have to go back to produce.

但这解释了为什么我需要和杂货店里的每个人交谈，或者为什么我必须去生产，然后为什么我必须回去生产。

I have to go to produce three times, and I'm not going to be satisfied until I talk to the produce guy.

我必须去制作三次，除非我和制作人员交谈，否则我不会满意。

If people look at me a little askew, like your behavior seems odd, I'll just say to people, look, I have OCD, and just get really hostile.

如果人们用斜视的眼光看我，比如你的行为看起来很奇怪，我就会对人们说，看，我有强迫症，然后就会变得非常敌对。

I asked Lynn if she thinks people get fired because of the reports she writes.

我问林恩，她是否认为人们会因为她写的报告而被解雇。

She says she doesn't know, but she'd like to think they don't.

她说她不知道，但她想他们不知道。

Later I call a mystery shoppers trade group, the Mystery Shopping Providers Association, which represents the companies who hire the shoppers.

后来我给神秘购物者贸易团体打电话，神秘购物提供商协会，它代表雇用神秘购物者的公司。

They say their Association discourages the use of mystery shopping for punishing or firing workers.

他们表示，他们的协会不鼓励使用神秘购物来惩罚或解雇工人。

It's a tool meant for training, they say, to help employees improve.

他们说，这是一个用于培训的工具，旨在帮助员工提高。

Either way, Lynn has no qualms about doing it.

不管怎样，林恩都毫不犹豫地这样做。

She seems honestly surprised when I suggest there's something deceitful or unfair about watching strangers without their knowledge and then evaluating their work.

当我提出在陌生人不知情的情况下观察他们然后评估他们的工作是有欺骗性或不公平的行为时，她似乎真的很惊讶。

I don't feel like it's a lie or a deception.

我不觉得这是谎言或欺骗。

I feel like it's more akin to acting.

我觉得这更像是在演戏。

But it is a deception.

但这是一种欺骗。

Lynn Well, yeah, OK, fair enough.

林恩 嗯，是的，好吧，很公平。

Yeah, it is a deception.

是的，这是一个骗局。

But it's in the service of something.

但它是为某些东西服务的。

I'm not doing this just to screw with you, because I think it is legitimate to evaluate people who work in the service industry on an objective basis.

我这样做并不是为了坑你，因为我认为客观地评价服务行业的人是合理的。

Other people get evaluated in their job, she says.

她说，其他人在工作中受到评估。

Why not service workers?

为什么不是服务人员？

Why not salespeople at Target or McDonald's?

为什么不是 Target 或麦当劳的销售人员呢？

And it's not like those workers don't know what's happening.

这些工人又不是不知道发生了什么事。

Jack Elam works at a Starbucks in Chicago.

杰克·埃拉姆在芝加哥的一家星巴克工作。

He's the only person interviewed for this story who was willing to give his actual full name.

他是唯一一位愿意透露自己真实全名的接受采访的人。

He talked to This American Life's intern, Amy O'Leary.

他与《美国生活》的实习生艾米·奥利里进行了交谈。

The minute she brought up mystery shoppers, he immediately launched into a list of everything they're looking for at Starbucks.

当她提到神秘顾客时，他立即列出了他们在星巴克寻找的所有物品的清单。

You're graded on your speed of time.

根据你的时间速度对你进行评分。

You're also graded on quality of service, temperature, dress codes, store appearance, and things like that.

您还会根据服务质量、温度、着装要求、商店外观等进行评分。

And then they grade you on it.

然后他们会给你打分。

Don't you ever feel like you're being spied on though?

你有没有感觉自己被监视了？

Not really, no. I think that's good in a sense that it makes a lot of stores stay up to code, follow all the rules and regulations.

不完全是，不。我认为这在某种意义上是件好事，因为它使许多商店遵守规范，遵守所有规则和规定。

Yeah, I don't see a problem with them.

是的，我不认为他们有什么问题。

They can come visit anytime they want.

他们可以随时来参观。

Jack's had other jobs like this, and he says it just comes with the territory.

杰克还从事过其他类似的工作，他说这只是与领域相关的。

And sometimes he wonders about the mystery shopper when it gets really busy, or when there's an especially tough customer.

有时，当商店非常繁忙时，或者当有一位特别难缠的顾客时，他会想知道神秘顾客的情况。

What if it's them?

如果是他们呢？

It could be a 99-year-old lady come up and order something, and it could take her 45 minutes to pay for it because she's counting one penny at a time.

可能是一位 99 岁的女士过来点东西，她可能需要 45 分钟才能付款，因为她一次数一分钱。

That could be your mystery shopper.

那可能是你的神秘顾客。

You never know.

你永远不知道。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Like I said, you never can tell.

就像我说的，你永远无法分辨。

Ever since I started work on this story, when I'm at any chain store, I'm acutely aware that all of the things being said to me come from a script.

自从我开始写这个故事以来，当我在任何一家连锁店时，我都敏锐地意识到对我说的所有事情都来自剧本。

I mean, everybody already knows that, but seeing it from the mystery shopper's point of view was like going backstage and really seeing how things work.

我的意思是，每个人都已经知道这一点，但从神秘顾客的角度来看它就像回到后台并真正了解事情是如何运作的。

Here on a piece of paper were the questions the clerks were supposed to ask me, the number of minutes before I'm supposed to be greeted, the products they're supposed to promote.

一张纸上写着店员应该问我的问题、应该在我受到欢迎之前的分钟数、他们应该推销的产品。

At this one electronics store, the mystery shopper I was with asked the sales girl about vacuum cleaners.

在这家电子产品商店，与我同行的一位神秘顾客向女售货员询问了吸尘器的情况。

On cue, she walked over to the exact model she was supposed to be pushing that day, and looking right at us in a completely sincere tone of voice, told us that she thought this vacuum was the one we really needed.

就在这时，她走到了那天她应该推的模型前，用一种完全真诚的语气直视着我们，告诉我们她认为这个真空吸尘器是我们真正需要的。

There's nothing evil or wrong about any of that.

这些都没有什么邪恶或错误的。

It just makes you feel weird.

这只会让你感觉很奇怪。

Lynn told me she'd had a similar feeling, but working as a mystery shopper made her realize what most jobs in most stores are really about.

林恩告诉我，她也有类似的感觉，但作为一名神秘顾客的工作让她意识到大多数商店的大多数工作的真正含义。

You look at companies that pay these minimum wage jobs, and then they'll have a 16-page questionnaire asking, did this employee do this, this, this, and this, and it's an astonishing amount of behaviors to have to evaluate.

你看看支付这些最低工资工作的公司，然后他们会收到一份 16 页的调查问卷，询问该员工是否做了这个、这个、这个、这个，需要评估的行为数量惊人。

They want to know if you smiled, if you presented this, did you offer the new veggie dog, did you do this, did you do that?

他们想知道你是否微笑，是否呈现这个，你是否提供了新的素食狗，你做了这个，你做了那个吗？

I mean, if somebody goes up and says this is what I want, and you get it for them and give them their change, that's all they really need.

我的意思是，如果有人上前说这就是我想要的，而你为他们拿到了并给了他们零钱，这就是他们真正需要的。

And it's these people who make hardly any money, and the things that they have to do are ridiculous.

而这些人却几乎赚不到钱，而且他们要做的事情也很荒谬。

Well, ridiculous if you're the person who has to smile and suggest veggie dogs 80 times a day.

好吧，如果你是那个每天必须微笑着推荐 80 次素食狗的人，那就太荒谬了。

Not so ridiculous if you're the manager who needs to move veggie dogs.

如果你是需要转移素食狗的经理，那就没那么荒谬了。

In the end, Lynn has a lot in common with the kid behind the counter.

最后，林恩和柜台后面的孩子有很多共同点。

They're both working for big companies, trying to help those companies turn out a consistent product everywhere all the time.

他们都为大公司工作，试图帮助这些公司随时随地生产出一致的产品。

They're both making near minimum wage.

他们的工资都接近最低工资。

One of them just happens to be watching the other.

他们中的一个恰好在注视着另一个。

Lisa Pollak is one of the producers of our program.

丽莎·波拉克是我们节目的制作人之一。

[MUSIC - "TOWN WITH NO SECRETS" BY MARK MALLMAN]

[音乐 - 马克·马尔曼的《没有秘密的小镇》]

Act Four, Stop Bugging Me.

第四幕，别再烦我了。

It's almost a law of nature that wherever there's a spy, there's a counter-spy, somebody using counter-espionage techniques to catch somebody doing espionage.

哪里有间谍，哪里就有反间谍，有人利用反间谍技术来抓捕从事间谍活动的人，这几乎是一条自然法则。

And so if you think that someone is spying on you in your home, you can actually hire somebody to help you with domestic counter-espionage.

因此，如果您认为有人在家里监视您，您实际上可以聘请某人来帮助您进行国内反间谍活动。

Jane Feltes visited one of their suburban outposts.

简·费尔特斯参观了他们位于郊区的一处前哨基地。

A couple times a week someone calls the hotline at Special Solutions Inc., a counter-surveillance company in Des Plaines, Illinois, thinking that their place has been bugged.

每周都会有几次有人拨打伊利诺伊州德斯普兰斯市反监视公司 Special Solutions Inc. 的热线电话，认为他们的地方被窃听了。

That's when Mark Amerazian springs into action and readies his equipment.

就在这时，马克·阿梅拉齐安 (Mark Amerazian) 开始行动并准备好他的装备。

Let's see, we have sweep units here, which will pick up any type of microphones.

让我们看看，我们这里有扫描单元，它可以拾取任何类型的麦克风。

Night vision, parabolic microphones--

夜视仪、抛物面麦克风——

Mark Amerazian is a counter-spy, and he dresses the part.

马克·阿梅拉齐安是一名反间谍，他的着装也符合这个角色。

Black T-shirt, boots, and a bomber jacket.

黑色T恤、靴子和飞行员夹克。

His hair is slicked back, and he has a goatee.

他的头发向后梳，留着山羊胡。

He talks and acts like someone playing a cop on TV, everything's just a little too polished.

他的言行举止就像电视里扮演警察一样，一切都太优雅了。

Mark has promised to take me with him on a sweep to debug someone's house.

马克答应带我一起去清扫某人的房子并进行调试。

He works out of a retail store called Spy Source, which is next door to a dry cleaners in the suburbs.

他在一家名为 Spy Source 的零售店工作，该店毗邻郊区的一家干洗店。

There's a mannequin at the door wearing a trench coat, hat, and sunglasses, James Bond posters everywhere, a half-dozen glass display cases packed with electronics, and novelty items like X-ray specs and disappearing ink.

门口有一个穿着风衣、戴着帽子和太阳镜的人体模型，詹姆斯·邦德的海报随处可见，六个玻璃展示柜里装满了电子产品，还有 X 射线眼镜和消失墨水等新奇物品。

One of the first things I notice is that what they sell at a counter-surveillance store looks a lot like the stuff they sell at a surveillance store.

我注意到的第一件事是他们在反监控商店出售的东西看起来很像他们在监控商店出售的东西。

He points out a display case full of what seem to be everyday objects.

他指着一个陈列柜，里面装满了看似日常用品。

Covert cameras are usually-- like this one's a clock.

隐蔽摄像机通常是——就像这个是一个时钟。

Here's a dictionary that has a camera in it.

这是一本字典，里面有一个摄像头。

Teddy bear.

玩具熊。

Where's the camera?

相机在哪里？

Mark Amerazian You're not going to be able to see it.

马克·阿梅拉齐安（Mark Amerazian）：你将看不到它。

Mark says these kinds of cameras, with lenses literally the size of a pinhole, hidden in everyday objects are exactly what we'll be looking for on our sweep.

马克说，这种相机的镜头实际上有针孔大小，隐藏在日常物体中，这正是我们在扫描中要寻找的。

So he shows me a tool that his company has designed to detect them, the SpyFinder.

所以他向我展示了他的公司设计的一个用于检测它们的工具，SpyFinder。

Mark pulls the consumer model out of his pocket, the SpyFinder Personal.

马克从口袋里掏出消费者模型——SpyFinder Personal。

It's made of black plastic like a remote control and contoured to fit in your hand, with a red plastic lens that you look through surrounded by flashing infrared light.

它由黑色塑料制成，就像遥控器一样，轮廓适合您的手，配有红色塑料镜片，您可以通过闪烁的红外光进行观察。

What it's going to do is it's going to flash out, and if there's a camera there, it's going to detect that pinhole lens, the chip inside, and bounce back a red light at you.

它要做的就是它会闪烁，如果那里有摄像头，它会检测到针孔透镜、里面的芯片，并向你反射红光。

So if you want, I'll hold this microphone for you, and then just take this, press that button, look through it.

所以如果你愿意的话，我会为你拿着这个麦克风，然后拿着这个，按下那个按钮，通过它查看。

So right now let's look at the clock.

现在让我们看一下时钟。

I turn to the store clock hanging on the wall.

我转向墙上挂着的商店时钟。

Scan the clock up and down.

上下扫描时钟。

Where do you see the camera in there?

你在哪里看到相机？

Do you see it?

你看到了吗？

It's in the six.

是在六号里。

Jane Feltes I flash the SpyFinder around the rest of the room.

简·费尔特斯 我用 SpyFinder 扫视了房间的其他地方。

The whole place lights up.

整个地方都亮起来了。

Everything's a camera.

一切都是相机。

The smoke alarm, the plant, a pair of sunglasses, a radio.

烟雾报警器、植物、一副太阳镜、一台收音机。

They're all watching.

他们都在看着。

It can make a person paranoid, a paranoia that Mark is only too happy to indulge.

它会让一个人变得偏执，而马克非常乐意沉迷于这种偏执。

He tells me a story of a hidden camera that was found in a Hooters changing room.

他给我讲了一个在猫头鹰更衣室里发现隐藏摄像机的故事。

He says they can be anywhere.

他说他们可以在任何地方。

Locker rooms, tanning salons.

更衣室、日光浴沙龙。

A lot of people fake and bake.

很多人假冒和烘烤。

If you're faking and baking, why not have a SpyFinder with you before you're actually taking off your clothes and getting into a tanning booth?

如果你在做假装和烘焙，为什么不在你真正脱掉衣服进入日光浴室之前随身携带一个 SpyFinder 呢？

Do a quick sweep.

快速扫一扫。

See if there's a camera watching.

看看有没有摄像头在看。

I just came-- come on in, I'm sorry about the leaves.

我刚来——进来吧，我对树叶的事感到抱歉。

No-- Jane Feltes Today we're doing a sweep for a woman who feels that someone's bugged her house.

不——Jane Feltes 今天我们要为一名感觉有人窃听她家的女士进行清扫。

She greets us at the door in a velour jogging suit.

她穿着丝绒慢跑服在门口迎接我们。

I had expected anybody needing counter-surveillance would be somebody with money, and Mark had described his clients as corporate execs and semi-celebrities, or people in the middle of a high-stakes divorce or lawsuit.

我原以为需要反监视的人都是有钱人，而马克将他的客户描述为公司高管和半名人，或者是处于高风险离婚或诉讼中的人。

But we're at a squat brick bungalow behind a bowling alley and a fast food chicken joint.

但我们住在保龄球馆和快餐鸡店后面的一栋低矮砖房里。

Her house is sparsely furnished.

她的房子家具简陋。

It's just her and her 6-year-old granddaughter.

只有她和她6岁的孙女。

She immediately asks me if I'm recording her.

她立即​​问我是否在给她录音。

She won't tell me her name or why we're here.

她不会告诉我她的名字或我们来这里的原因。

Mark starts putting his gear on, headphones, a hand-held meter, and a few antennas he points around the living room.

马克开始戴上他的装备、耳机、手持式仪表，并在客厅周围安装了几根天线。

If there were an audio transmitter in the room, a listening device, it'd have to give off a signal.

如果房间里有一个音频发射器，一个监听设备，它就必须发出信号。

Right now we're not getting any type of signals showing me RF radio frequency being transmitted.

目前，我们没有收到任何类型的信号，显示 RF 射频正在传输。

So so far so good.

到目前为止一切顺利。

Then he plugs a voltage meter into the phone line.

然后他将电压表插入电话线。

It's reading a 44.7.

读数为 44.7。

This is a normal voltage reading.

这是正常的电压读数。

If there was something on your telephone line like a recorder, or if there was a tap on your outside line, it would be reading something low, like maybe a 20.

如果你的电话线上有录音机之类的东西，或者如果你的外线有窃听器，它会读取一些低值，比如 20。

So this is fine.

所以这很好。

The woman follows Mark around while he does the sweep.

马克扫地时，女人跟着他。

He looks in vents for cameras, and climbs under a desk to check the wiring on the computer.

他在通风口寻找摄像头，然后爬到桌子下面检查电脑上的接线。

There's a unit that you can attach to the back of these computer keyboards, and whatever gets typed, it's going to record it.

您可以将一个装置连接到这些计算机键盘的背面，无论输入什么内容，它都会记录下来。

You what?

你什么？

Woman I never thought of that.

女人我从来没想过这一点。

I was.

我是。

I was.

我是。

I should have thought of that, and I never did.

我应该想到这一点，但我从来没有这样做。

I can't get much out of her, and what she does tell me doesn't really add up.

我无法从她那里得到太多信息，而且她告诉我的内容也并没有真正的意义。

She tells me her suspicions started a few months ago.

她告诉我她的怀疑是几个月前开始的。

She said a guy came to the house claiming to be from the water company.

她说，一个自称来自自来水公司的人来到了她的房子。

She thinks he may have planted some sort of eavesdropping device.

她认为他可能安装了某种窃听装置。

When I ask her who she thinks he really was, and why he wanted to spy on her, she won't tell me.

当我问她认为他到底是谁，以及为什么他想监视她时，她不肯告诉我。

All she says is some things were done that made her uncomfortable, and she wants to put her fears to rest.

她只说发生了一些让她不舒服的事情，她想消除恐惧。

In all, the sweep takes Mark about 20 minutes.

马克总共需要大约 20 分钟进行扫描。

He doesn't find anything, which is how it goes for him nine times out of ten.

他什么也没找到，十有八九都是这样。

Everything gave us a negative reading.

一切都给了我们负面的解读。

There's nothing here.

这里什么都没有。

Thank you very much.

非常感谢。

I feel much better.

我感觉好多了。

So you feel a lot better?

所以你感觉好多了？

Woman I do.

女人我愿意。

I do.

我愿意。

Don't have to whisper anymore.

不用再嘀咕了

If you go into somebody's home or office, and they say, gee, I think my phone's tapped, and you check the phone, and there's no tap, that doesn't mean there wasn't a problem.

如果你走进某人的家或办公室，他们说，天啊，我想我的电话被窃听了，你检查电话，发现没有窃听，这并不意味着没有问题。

Kevin Murray has run Murray Associates, an eavesdropping detection and counter-espionage firm, for over 30 years.

Kevin Murray 经营 Murray Associates（一家窃听侦查和反间谍公司）已有 30 多年。

If Mark is a suburban beat cop, Kevin is the director of the FBI.

如果马克是郊区的巡警，那么凯文就是联邦调查局局长。

He deals with Fortune 100 companies, and he thinks what Mark and I did was kind of half-assed.

他与财富 100 强公司打交道，他认为马克和我的做法有点半途而废。

It's not what they show on TV.

这不是他们在电视上展示的。

It's not the guy with the box and an antenna that comes in and wanders around the room wearing headphones and magically finds things, because most of the time it isn't electronic.

不是那个拿着盒子和天线的人戴着耳机在房间里闲逛并神奇地找到东西，因为大多数时候它不是电子的。

There are much easier ways to get information.

有很多更简单的方法来获取信息。

For instance, Kevin says most spies just dig through your trash, or make friends with your sister-in-law or your hairdresser.

例如，凯文说大多数间谍只是翻你的垃圾，或者与你的嫂子或理发师交朋友。

Bugging can be really expensive and difficult.

窃听可能非常昂贵且困难。

Plus, here's something you never think about, you constantly have to go back and change the battery.

另外，还有一些你永远不会想到的事情，你必须不断地返回并更换电池。

Which is why most large-scale bugging operations only happen in the corporate world.

这就是为什么大多数大规模窃听行动只发生在企业界。

Kevin once caught an international corporate spy in the act.

凯文曾经当场抓获过一名国际公司间谍。

He was transmitting secrets at a big company.

他在一家大公司传递秘密。

On another job, Kevin found a hidden camera above an employee's desk.

在另一份工作中，凯文在员工办公桌上方发现了一个隐藏的摄像头。

Turns out the guy's coworker, who was competing with him for a promotion, was watching him make personal calls to his girlfriend and reporting each and every one of them-- date, time, and length-- to the boss.

原来，这个家伙的同事正在与他竞争升职，正在看着他给他的女朋友打私人电话，并向老板报告每一个电话——日期、时间和长度。

Occasionally Kevin himself becomes a player in the corporate schemes he's uncovering.

有时，凯文本人也会成为他所揭露的公司计划的参与者。

We were brought into a company, and the president of the company says, "I want you to check these offices." He points us over there.

我们被带进一家公司，公司总裁说：“我想让你检查一下这些办公室。”他指给我们去那里。

He didn't say he suspected anything.

他没有说他怀疑任何事情。

We were just doing this just proactively, just to make sure.

我们只是主动这样做，只是为了确保这一点。

It's good policy.

这是个好政策。

It's good security practice.

这是良好的安全实践。

So we get in there, and we start working.

所以我们进入那里，然后开始工作。

The next thing you know, we're up above the ceiling in the conference room, and we find this wire.

接下来你知道的，我们在会议室的天花板上方，找到了这条电线。

Can't quite identify it right away, so we follow it out, and lo and behold it goes across the hallway in one direction over to the president's office, and is laying on top of his ceiling with a microphone.

无法立即识别它，所以我们跟着它出去，你瞧，它穿过走廊朝一个方向到达总统办公室，并躺在天花板上，上面有一个麦克风。

I say, great, what a great find.

我说，太好了，真是一个伟大的发现。

Well we get on the wire again and follow it backwards across the hall, through the conference room, across another hall, and into another executive's office.

好吧，我们再次接通电线，沿着它向后穿过大厅，穿过会议室，穿过另一个大厅，进入另一个主管的办公室。

And we look at it, think uh-huh, OK.

我们看着它，想，嗯，好吧。

On the surface it looks like one of the executives is bugging the president's office.

从表面上看，一名高管似乎正在对总统办公室进行窃听。

But on close inspection, it's not hooked up the right way.

但仔细检查后发现，它的连接方式不正确。

It can't work.

这是行不通的。

This is a setup.

这是一个设置。

It posed a real ethical dilemma to us, because it appears that the president is looking for a rubber stamp way of firing an executive, and it's not true.

这给我们带来了真正的道德困境，因为总统似乎正在寻找一种橡皮图章方式来解雇高管，但事实并非如此。

So what'd you do?

那么你做了什么？

Kevin Murray We reported it to him, and we also reported the fact that we didn't think it was a viable eavesdropping attempt.

凯文·默里（Kevin Murray） 我们向他报告了此事，我们还报告了这样一个事实：我们认为这是一次不可行的窃听尝试。

This thing couldn't work.

这件事没法办了。

And from our point of view, it's put there to look like an eavesdropping attempt.

从我们的角度来看，它被放在那里看起来像是一种窃听尝试。

By you.

由你。

Kevin Murray No, I didn't say "by you," because I don't know who put it there.

凯文·穆雷 不，我没有说“你写的”，因为我不知道是谁把它放在那里的。

I didn't have enough proof.

我没有足够的证据。

But I could tell he had kind of a long face, and said, "OK, thank you, boys."

但我看得出他的脸有点拉长，然后说：“好吧，谢谢你们，孩子们。”

I asked Kevin if stories of hidden cameras everywhere, like the ones Mark kept telling me when we are on the sweep, if those are just paranoia, or maybe a guy is just trying to drum up a little counter-surveillance business.

我问凯文，是否到处都有隐藏摄像机的故事，就像我们在扫荡时马克不断告诉我的那样，这些是否只是偏执狂，或者也许有人只是想招揽一些反监视业务。

I mean really, with everything we're supposed to be afraid of when we go to the tanner, bacteria, blindness, cancer, should we really worry about peeping toms?

我的意思是，真的，当我们去制革厂时，我们应该害怕的一切，细菌，失明，癌症，我们真的应该担心偷窥狂吗？

All I can say is I don't make it up.

我只能说我没有弥补。

Just go to SpyBusters.com, and every week or so I throw in all the news stories of peeping tom cameras and everything else.

只需访问 SpyBusters.com，大约每周我都会发布所有有关偷窥相机和其他所有内容的新闻报道。

I think I have about six or seven years' worth of news stories there.

我想我那里有大约六七年的新闻报道。

And these are only, remember now, these are the failed attempts.

现在记住，这些只是失败的尝试。

These are the ones that got caught.

这些都是被抓到的。

It's the tip of the iceberg.

这只是冰山一角。

Kevin says only one out of five calls he gets is from someone who's just being irrational and paranoid.

凯文说，他接到的电话中只有五分之一是非理性和偏执的人打来的。

In his experience, if you think you're being spied on, you probably are, or at least something's amiss.

根据他的经验，如果你认为自己被监视，那么你可能确实被监视，或者至少出了什么问题。

Maybe your boyfriend's going through your purse.

也许你的男朋友正在翻你的钱包。

Maybe your best friend's a gossip, and that's why other people know your business.

也许你最好的朋友是个八卦人士，这就是为什么其他人知道你的事。

But you don't need to hire a spy to figure that out.

但你不需要雇佣间谍来弄清楚这一点。

Jane Feltes is a producer on our program.

简·费尔特斯 (Jane Feltes) 是我们节目的制片人。

Well our program was produced today by Diane Cook and myself with Alex Blumberg, Wendy Dorr, Jane Feltes, Sarah Koenig, and Lisa Pollak.

今天我们的节目是由黛安·库克和我本人以及亚历克斯·布隆伯格、温迪·多尔、简·费尔特斯、莎拉·科尼格和丽莎·波拉克制作的。

Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.

我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。

Elizabeth Meister runs our website.

伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。

Production help from Todd Bachmann and Ms. Amy O'Leary.

托德·巴赫曼 (Todd Bachmann) 和艾米·奥利里 (Amy O'Leary) 女士为制作提供帮助。

Special thanks today to Patrick Keefe, Shane DuBow, Carrie Miller.

今天特别感谢 Patrick Keefe、Shane DuBow、Carrie Miller。

[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our program by Mr. Torey Malatia, or as he likes to be called by the many, many guests to our program, "The Cooler."

[资金来源] WBEZ 管理部门由 Torey Malatia 先生负责监督我们的项目，或者正如他喜欢被我们项目的很多很多客人称为“The Cooler”一样。

I'm not really sure what he wants me to do.

我不太确定他要我做什么。

Did he just say, "Touch the cooler?"

他刚才是不是说：“碰一下冷却器？”

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of this American life.

下周我们将带来更多有关美国生活的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。